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Delhi Belly v Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap Screen Count
Friday 1st July 2010 09.00 IST
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Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap has just edged out Delhi Belly in terms of theatres released as the latter gets 900 approx and former 950 approx but in terms of screens it is Delhi Belly which is ahead.
Delhi Belly will be released on 1200 screens in 900 theatres while Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap will release on 1000 screens in 950 theatres.
This is because many multiplexes have given 2-3 screens to Delhi Belly and Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap has one screen in most multiplexes with some giving it two screens.
Remember Satyam, I said this is going to be big, and said the first week will be 50-60, I told you man, this is something special, What I saw few days ago, I was just spellbounded, THIS IS IT. Raja Sen just came out with his review giving it 4 starts (very odd of him) and recommends for this to be a franchise, just my thoughts. I think they will be coming out with a sequel to this, and let ABjr take over after the next one.Taking a day off from work tomm and watching shows back to back to back to back to back..lol
Yes, actually the screen count is programmed tuesday/wednesday before release and nowadays since 60% of screens are digital/satellite , its very easy to multiply.(esp in single screens).
I think i heard Aamir also say the same in one of the recent interviews.
just returning from watching TDM. third transformer was even worse than the second. this franchise doesnt deserve the coveted july 4th weekend anymore. michael bay was probably drunk when he was making this movie. i saw this on a regular view and the special effects were great but damn there is no charisma like the first transformer had!!
delhi belly in terms of pomotion wanna be the hangover type model ( with all cool vulgar lingo) and try to give that type of feel to elite audiences who have grown on dose of hollywood movies while bhuddha tends to work most on nostalgia
Delhi Belly:
Will be loved and appreciated by the youth, though orthodox people will not like this. Very routine storyline. Songs do not come as regular songs and hence the thrill is not there. That is a minus point. There may be morchas against this film
Economics: It will make money
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap:
Amitabh is fabulous, last 20 mins climax is superb, but the movie otherwise is lacking
Economics: Will reach safety due to low cost and Satellite prices, but will not be liked.
in india its still a risk to produce models like lock stock and two smoking barrels( on which delhi belly is actually so called inspired ) and later hangover)…
so called vulgar lingo as part of coolness is strictly limited to teenagers and college going crowd only
Amitiji twwets that it could be his first HIT after 2 decades..I’am sure he mentioned this on the heat of the moment…Or did he not consider BLACK, PAA, SARKAR, BAGHBAAN which I thought were his solo outings. I know Black, Paa, Sarkar were given a average/above average tag from trade pundits ( although I disagree) but wasn’t BAGBAAN a clean HIT ..Anyways this can be discussion for another day..now it is BHTB fever..let us embrace and enjoy the moment.
BHTB has taken poor start at bo as expected and the reports are not encouraging.So forget about any pick up and i m sure the movie ll be out of theatres from Monday onwards.Now there ll be lot of fights on this site just to prove that BHTB is a hit and BOI ll be riduculed.
Rajesh….The movies you mentioned were vever clear hits BO wise.Who can say better than Mr.Bachchan about it.I am always thrashed on this site for such things.Thank God “aaj Doodh ka Dhhodh aur Paani ka Paani ho gaya aur Mahanayak ne khud bola ki pechlae bees saal mein koi hit nahi di”.
Great to hear all the positive comments.
Why is everyone here upset by RGV’s comment about AB?
It’s a style now, I’m sure.
It will now be the way people are going to talk. Already MSDhoni here felt free to do so.
People (like me) who objected to all this are being branded as ‘prudes’ and ‘orthodox’, wheras I feel it is unwise to take a step in this direction, because of where it will lead to.
And they are branding themselves as cool, modern, youth, progressive.
It’s a shame that Amir knowing it will all be accepted just because it comes from him, didn’t show proper responsibility. But arrogance derived from success has made him so creepily underhand. , His statement, if people don’t critize/thrash this film then we have gone wrong somewhere (something like this) – gawwd, so nauseously chaalu.
I would say he’s beaten SRK in many things, including his ‘unrootedness’.
*Now I’m running away, before satyam and co. come down like a ton of bricks, and start talking about SRK and vulgarity, which at least didn’t make anyone repeat it, neither did it become an anthem for anyone as DKBose is declared to be.*
PS: The ‘Amir factor’ is so blindly followed that Deepika P went with her father and sister to watch it.
I can now imagine the father sitting between his daughters and looking at the screen…. and watching.
Oldgold thinks characters using these words in a film is the same thing as RGV doing it off screen with Bachchan. Pretty appalling logic but I am hardly surprised. Meanwhile SRK tells a female journalist in ‘real life’ that he can pull his pants down and jokes about ‘Muslims’ in this context. But Oldgold doesn’t have a word to say about this. Sure Delhi Belly is the bigger issue!
>But Oldgold doesn’t have a word to say about this.
I don’t believe you’re saying this. I think I made it very clear several times in earlier discussions that I find it vulgar.
It’s my opinion that what’s going on in DB is more so.
You want me to change my opinion?
The problem is Oldgold you said it once and you moved on. With DB you keep repeating again and again as if the words used in this film are the greatest threat to Indian (and human) civilization since SRK’s debut (LOL, couldn’t resist this..!). I can see your perspective here and it’s fine. But c’mon, it’s not as if DB will suddenly make the culture coarse. I can assure you that if anything DB is way behind the curve when it comes to the way its target audience really talks. Not kidding at all. It’s like someone asked bachchan in an interview if his films encouraged violence and he said violence wasn’t invented in the late 20th century with his films! So one can criticize certain moves without making them ‘metaphysical’ when the evidence clearly argues for the opposite. Personally I don’t have an issue with DB in this sense. I also think though that using certain words are what certain bourgeois audiences find more offensive than anything else. This is the point I made to RGV earlier today. By going in the opposite direction he too remains enframed by the same set of bourgeois concerns. He wants to shock and offend. One must outgrow this juvenile instinct. But similarly there is a lot else that is offensive in Hindi cinema that no one seems to mind. When the Gujarati stereotype in KHNH said ‘cock’ for ‘coke’ and ‘hole’ for ‘hall’ and so on, all in very suggestive contexts no one complained. Isn’t this kind of innuendo even worse? But leaving aside language the ‘family values’ crowd never has a problem with the way actresses are dressed on screen (not just today but even in older times and including in some family-friendly films). I could keep multiplying these examples. I understand there are cultural mores. But that’s not a deeper argument. Similarly if you’re offended by this stuff that’s fine but when you make it the be all and end all of everything and when it’s Aamir attached to the project allow me to be a little skeptical! So yes I have to bring up that SRK example all the time because in a public venue it really went far beyond the pale. I have never seen or heard another star do something remotely close. Of course the media completely ignored all of this. You do the same. Just saying it once doesn’t man anything when you’re otherwise picking on fictional characters for using certain kinds of language!
Seems the Buddha opening is not as good as it threatened to be from the look of things. Has released in v v few European plexds (if at all)
As I have been saying from the start, releasing with DB won’t help at all….
Ps-” Behan Ji….kya Aamir ne phichle janam mein tumhara paisa khaya tha?”
Forget about Aamir and DG and Buddha ….
Oldgold won’t be happy at being called “behanji”.
Lol
From whatever I know about the indian lingo, “behanji” is not only a “respectful” way of addressing– correct menif I’m wrong though bout the latest!!!
It has some other connotations which oldgold won’t be happy with lol…
Unlike me, others here have not seen her “non behanji” style …..lol
in the overseas they didn’t make any effort. I made this point many times on Bachchan’s blog. The marketing at least in the US has been more or less non-existent and the screen count is also low. In Manhattan for example it’s just playing on one screen when every other film plays on two.
Y only one screen in manhattan and so few in the states?
Dont think amidabh in this sort of avtaar is an insignificant overseas star like some others!– even now.
Also–The reluctance in changing release dates was always irritatIng.
It is difficult But NOT impossible to find a “clear week” to release by moving it a few weeks earlier or later— I think!!
Whatever movie it is, DB comes with aamirs credibility skill holy nurtured over more than a decade and this is currently at it’s peak. Uly would u like to take it head on. Agree that a weeks or so around were full, but what about moving it by a few weeks .
Thats where the burning intent(or lack of it– here of the coproducers viacom) comes thru….
I have no idea but I brought it up many times.. even went to the extent of saying that suburban screens are also important as most people don’t drive to the city for a movie.
<So you are going to blame Aamir for what RGV tweeted??
Yes, I am.
It's not like he's learnt anything new.
It's this easy way of using the language publicly, for someone, which is absolutely a result of glorifying it into a larger than life fun and cool thing in DB.
It's like during a communal riot when people are killing each other, many use the opportunity to take personal revenge.
So RGV of all people is not responsible for his own actions/statements. It’s a film that’s making him do this. Oh well.. at least Aamir has that kind of influence. SRK I guess couldn’t have that sort of impact when he made circumcision jokes in public with a female journalist.
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap had a poor opening at multiplexes of around 10-15%, the single screens were a bit better at around 20-25%.
The film will have to have a big turnaround to score at the box office but early reports are not encouraging.
The film has better chances at small centres but even here opening is too low and big jump is needed.
The film has low costs so should cover costs through non theatrical rights like Satellite and Home Video but will find it very tough to score theatrically at the box office
Delhi Belly has opened very well this morning with collections on average around 70% at multiplexes. In Delhi NCR the opening was very strong as many prime multiplexes opened to full houses. Pune and Bangalore also opened to excellent houses.
Mumbai city always has lower occupancies due to a huge number of multiplexes and screenings but even here Delhi Belly was strong with 70% at some properties. The first day total collections will be huge from Mumbai city.
Multiplexes in places like Rajasthan, CP, CI were lower at 40-45% but even that is good for this type of film. The single screen opening is also similar with the big city single screens opening well while other centres taking average opening. The first day will put up big numbers on strength of the big circuits like Mumbai, Delhi/UP and East Punjab with Mysore and West Bengal also collecting very strongly.
B.O. update: ‘Delhi Belly’ opens very well, ‘Bbuddah H.T.B.’ starts slow
- By Taran Adarsh, July 1, 2011 – 17:00 IST
The writing was clear on the wall, much before the release of DELHI BELLY and BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP. It was a foregone conclusion that DELHI BELLY would take a big lead on Friday due to two major factors: Aamir Khan’s brand value and smashing music. And that’s precisely how the morning and noon show trends were on Friday across India.
DELHI BELLY opened very well across the country [opened at 1200 screens], with the plexes of major centres reporting 70% to 90% occupancy. The opening response at single screens was in 50% to 60% range [at places, lower], which is also a good figure, considering the number of screens this film has opened at. The business seems to be growing rapidly with every show, with the youth patronizing the film in a big way. DELHI BELLY is expected to post excellent numbers on Day 1, while the Saturday and Sunday numbers are expected to be humungous as well, since the reports are fantastic.
As for the economics, DELHI BELLY has cost its makers less than Rs 30 cr [incl P & A] and though the amount is on the higher side, recovering it shouldn’t be an issue given the terrific start of the film and also the revenue it is expected to generate from non-theatrical avenues.
As predicted by this writer in the review of the film on Thursday itself, BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP got badly affected by the omnipotent and unstoppable DELHI BELLY wave all over. The opening numbers of BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP [which opened at approx 1000 screens] ranged between 15% – 20% – 25%, although a few centres reported better occupancy, especially the single screens in the Hindi heartland. The business will have to multiply furiously from Friday evening onwards if it has to stay afloat at the box-office. The reports are good, but the appreciation needs to translate into numbers.
The advantage with BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP is its reasonable cost [Rs 21 cr to Rs 22 cr; inclusive of Bachchan Sr and Puri Jagannadh's remuneration and also P & A expenses]. The Satellite Rights and Music Rights have fetched Rs 14.75 cr and the remainder amount has to be recovered from India and Overseas theatrical, Home Video and Digital rights, which shouldn’t be an issue. But a good theatrical run is of paramount importance!
This too is very wishy-washy on Bbuddah though of course way better than the BOI hatchet job. It’s all par for the course. First off I don’t buy these numbers as an average at all. But in any case it should get stronger with every show.
By the way Aamir says he’s spent 35 crores on DB, more than he wanted to. Here Taran says DB cost less than 30. Meanwhile Bachchan says they made BBuddah for 10.5 crores. Taran has hacked it up to 22 crores! By the way what remuneration is Bachchan taking here? It’s his own film. Whatever he gets comes later with profits.
Regardless of the fact whether BOI and Taran are lying or not, Bachchan should not have releases it with DB. BHTB would have fared much better if it was a solo release. Even the youth would have taken to it because after all, it’s a full masala entertainment. It’s obvious that majority wants to see DB in India and most paying public does not watch 2 movies on one weekend.
Lagaan and Gadar happens once every 10 or 15 years. Unless it’s a festive season like Diwali or something. The collections on Monday will show this picture
Don’t really buy this at all. Saawariya had a huge weekend, it then completely flopped but OSO didn’t stop it. JeM had a weak opening but Don started out very sluggish too. Eventually Don got better, JeM didn’t but didn’t get worse either. Welcome and TZP released on the same day.
Obviously competition affects the gross of any film but I have never seen a case of a film that would otherwise have been a hit become a flop because of competition.
And today more than ever with the target multiplex audience they either show up for a film or they don’t. In other words WOM too matters for films that this audience is already interested in to some degree.
not true at all.. even in 2001 everything was available on discs or videos right away. I remember the guy at the Indian store I go to telling me at the time that he had sold an awesome number of Lagaan DVDs. Not of the official kind! In India though cable piracy has probably become a bigger deal since.
Forget the fact that TZP and Welcome cannot be compared on any level and forget the fact that Welcome made 35 CR to TZP’s 15 in it’s first week, are you really suggesting that BHTB wouldn’t have made more money in it’s first weekend had it released solo?
We have numerous instances of 2 movies releasing on the same weekend but it’s an extremely rare case where they both make big moolah. Usually one suffers a lot. Now you can say that DB is not affecting BHTB’s business and obviously there is no way to prove it but I feel that both these movies cater to the same people (yes BHTB has enough for the youth as well) and Bachchans should have realized that DB was unstoppable and moved out of it’s way.
No I did not say business isn’t affected by competition. Made that point explicit. What I do not agree with is that the market of a film vanishes with competition! And here I don’t see any evidence to the contrary. What about tons of movies that release every year without competition and still flop? In some cases there isn’t even more than a negligible audience. Also BBuddah and DB are like chalk and cheese in terms of starcast, genre and so on. The audience doesn’t really overlap here. The younger demographic that’s patronizing DB would never have showed up for BBuddah in a big way, at least in the initial round. Meanwhile the larger family audience will be very wary of DB for reasons of language and so on. So the audience subset that feels inclined to watch both is not a very big one. This doesn’t mean competition isn’t an issue. It’s just not the difference between a hit and a flop. I have never seen a single example to the contrary. Now there are some films that are advertised all wrong and released poorly and so on. That’s a different issue because such films don’t do anything even when they’re solo releases.
BHTB does not have competition from DB as the latter has adult certificate.
The real competition is from Ready and Double Dhamaal as they are both for universal audience. Unless the steam for these 2 movies runs out completely, both DB and BHTB have to contend with lesser percentages.
Guys…both BHTB and DB are full on masala entertainment. Forget this whole A certificate nonsense. That has NOTHING to with the competition. What I am saying is that the same youth that is watching DB this weekend would have watched BHTB on another weekend but may not do so since most in India do not wathc 2 movies in a weekend.
RGV took lessons from AK. As if Indians were prude and never used a bad word before. Just go to TOI and Rediff movie comments pages. You will know how the moderators encourage expletives, colorful language. Abuse is welcomed with open arms.
Vati…ironically….the day before blog of bigb had a beautiful poem on “words” (Shabdh). As much as I *know* RGV, I think he was trying some underhand stunt. We cannot take everything at facevalue. Junior being removed from his film, bigb doing film of a director that worked under RGV…compliment someone and give gali in same line…sounds very jarring!! Rediff always removes ugly comments (not sure if your claim that they are welcome is correct). Also under rediff/toi people are anonymous. No one will give galis khulum-khulla, with their known IDs. In any society, youngsters will always use *bad/shocking* language (along with smoking/drinking)…they are rebelling you know. But once people grow up, such behaviour also falls off. RGV needs to grow up!!
I would add here (in addition to what I have already said before on rgvs comment yesterday )
This is different from an anonymous poster posting something in the comments section of a particular news piece on rediffmail/ toi
And a known person (as visible as rgv) posting in his name on twitter on a general access domain and getting away with it.
Don’t even agree with the “complement” bit– if he is so pally with amitAbh and indulges in toilet humour with him( which I think is unlikely) he could have texted or emailed him.
But there is something sick about tweeting it and then clarifying.
It’s like posting some girls morphed pic in the net and later clarifying that u suspect that it is “photoshopped”!!!
No rgv — that’s not done and if u was in amitabhs place , would have really made him pay hard irrespective of his “proximity”
Unfortunately people don’t have an undrstanding or the reach, purview o the various avenues of social interaction of the net.
The problems with Facebook and twitter are much more than estimated for eg the changing “relationship status” on Facebook is something that folks will bs quick to realise is problematic
Have seen people losing their jobs (&made sure some lose them) when they posted “sensitive” info on the www!!!
Also sometimes it is difficult to handle unwanted attention lol
No, I differ. It was not a compliment and not even meant to be a compliment. It was a proclamation from an empty pot/vessel making the most noise. There is an attitude of him showing he is superior to puri and he owns AB & puri for just accommodate the meeting betn them.
Yes Pradeep .. That’s the point!
Also think bachchan is guilty here of allowing abuse here. Don’t recall swear words being used for anyone on twitter fb etc from a non anonymous source like this for anyone , leave alone bachchan!!!
Those sending soft tweets/ posts bout / to rgv need to get hardcore ESP those who claim to be his fans .
As someone pointed out( was it oldgold ) Srk pulled his OWN pants down– he didn’t abuse a person of bachchans age stature on a public platform .
In short — I’ve not enjoyed this at all and wouldve reacted the same even if Srk was at the receiving end( but can’t comment bout not enjoying it though )
Think someone needs to “open the lid” on rgvs ….
As wel and use a bamboo technique. And then rgv should then subsequently thank that person to help him “grow up”
Wel cum 2 passive adulthood !! Lol
Ps can already see his brainwave . Surviving this one will embolden him and as he mentioned recently, he is itching to come up with an offensive 1 on ash…
Cmon people don’t even spare preganant women.
Ash effectively seems to have lost on the film “heroine” after the preg news– this can actually be a human rights issue and discrimination issue (although bhandarkar may argue otherwise that ash kel him in the” dark”)
Read some were that ash is being suspected of using IVF to get a baby boy!!!!
Cmon spare poor ash– she needs my shoulder now–lol
that IVF nonsense is spread by some Bhairavi goswami… she is a Wannabe celebrity…..
Its so easy today…. vomit hatred and u r a celebrity…. in whole wide world…. some do take ki modal knows dat Ash went for IVF…. hope she gets her 15 mins of fame… and a new Poonam pandey is born
it could have been a cheap publicity stunt of bhairavi but it does take quite a bit of balls to write against established film industry family..no smoke, no fire. IVF is not uncommon especially if you are above 35 or closing 40. Lot of my family members/relatives too have had several rounds of IVF treatments, so I know. Anyhow it is there personal mamala not a tamasha for public.
The release date is also important. Shaitan is well crafted movie but it lost due to competition from Ready.
As Satyam insisted, instead of Raveena they could have chosen someone like Katrina. It would have made such an interesting and novel pairing.
Ready, Double Dhamaal and now Delhi Belly.
This points to the new generation of filmgoers who may dictate terms in future. This generation is quite young with lots of money and seek an outlet whether it is a movie, whether it is a fight against establishment. Thus ZNMD may be a winner atleast in the initial stages while Karan’s new Agneepath may not work.
““Celebrating 27 Super Hit Days,” screams an ad for Salman Khan’s Ready. If this were the last film playing at the last theatre left on earth on the last day before the apocalypse, I doubt I’d want to watch it.”
This movie will work anyways .. No one can stop good movie to get its due .. Yes we have exceptions, but i am sure Bbuddah will not be one of them .. From tomorrow Bbuddah collections will increase to another level ..
So confusing figures,on twitter and stuff people are saying they are watching #BHTBaap in full houses, the buzz is huge and extremely positive,yet box office india says otherwise, the film was even trending on twitter. And lol Taran Adarsh has been getting a backlash for arguing with Abhi over the cost, people are actually calling him fake!
Anyways as for here in South Africa,when we were booking on monday we were getting seats already fifth row from the back which does not happen often here,so looking good here!
Can’t wait to see it today!
This is now becoming very common. Every time a Bachchan film releases, the BO guys (boi, taran, boc, komal) report 20-30% but the members of this forum report 80-100% full halls. who do I believe?
@Alex adams I am in Durban,we love BigB here too!
Well right now it’s both school and university holidays so now’s a pretty good season for holidays here,only thing is it’s winter but the best season for holidays here is during Nov,Dec,Jan- sun’s out in full form and surf’s are up
Haha nah not a surfer,but love the beachfront last year was tops with the whole soccer world cup fever and stuff!
Safari’s are awesome,Kruger National Park is the best,the Big 5, cheetah’s,hippo’s,crocs etc you’ll find em all there!
Yo filmifan– thanks again
Just checking between Kenya and south Africa
Btw like the SA accent ESP on girls–presume u r a guy ?
As far as “value for money” and “variety on offer” which one would u go for– Kenya or SA
Lol no actually I’m a girl! Glad u like our accent lol!
Well never been to Kenya but can tell you that SA has so much to offer, so being a South African shall proudly say that SA has both of which you enquired about above!
thanx for that info filmifan..
Will definitely check out SA –besides one doesnt need visa formalities etc.
Also interesting to hear that buddha halls were full in SA whilst they are apparently far from full in india as per soemre ports but is not being shown in surope barring few exceptions…
Box Office: Delhi Belly Over Transformers & Bbuddah
July 1st, 2011 by Mrigank Dhaniwala
Delhi Belly Over Transformers & BbuddahAamir Khan’s Delhi Belly got off to a flying start on Friday (1 July) as it garnered around 40-70 % collections in the initial shows of the opening day. The comedy, which released in two versions – Hinglish and Hindi dubbed – received a good response for both the versions.
Transformers: Dark Of The Moon took the number two spot on Friday as far as collections are concerned. The Hollywood flick, which had released on Tuesday and Wednesday at many places, found favour with the audiences in both the English and Hindi dubbed versions.
The second Bollywood release of this week, the Amitabh Bachchan starrer Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap, managed percentage occupancies of 20 – 40 – 45.
then people wonder why I protest so much.. the numbers are very different here. DB is in the 40-70% range not just the latter. Secondly Bbuddah goes upto 45% here which is very good all things considered. And single/double screens are probably much higher on average.
it’s from the site he writes on but it’s someone else.
these guys will have to eat their words on Bbuddah. Or not really! They’ll keep making excuses like ‘ran in single screens’ and what not. We’ve been seeing this for years.
Lets wait for the numbers. The opening percentages don’t matter. If the film is good and has stars in it, its definitely gonna pick up over the weekend. From al the reports coming in, BHTB appears to be a good film and should definitely pick up. Lets see how it goes.
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@TwiSheets and I wish your children all the success when they grow up and start working. And I hope they manage to make you proud…
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @iMD_Hrithik wonder what your family had to go through!!!! Oh … I wonder
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @Bananaji GO TO SLEEP!!!
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@Vinnutter @bol_blogger kyunki aap ek ache insaan hain
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@vivekkrishnani vivek, you’re just proving how old you are!!!! hahaha
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@iMD_Hrithik @rgvzoomin u sent a msg so you got a reply. It’s called good manners. Obviously something u haven’t been taught at home.
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@iMD_Hrithik “just shut up?” is that the best you can do? And don’t worry about @RGVzoomin he has enough to worry about himself.
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@iMD_Hrithik mirchi to main bahut khaata hoon.
This one takes the cake and deserves special mention:
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan@Satyamk thank you my friend
some tweets from taran
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
Well, Viacom18 people are standing by the figures they gave me for ‘Bbuddah’. People need to get your facts right.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@@juniorbachchan So why don’t you share the figures? And deny what your partners Viacom18 have to say.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@@juniorbachchan Strange! The figures have been shared by Viacom18, your partners.
this tweet proves why abhishek is a masochist!
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @manojlonar @imd_hrithik am enjoying the great interaction!!
The above exchange which abhishek is indulging in illustrates the problems with twitter . Obviously the problems r there only If u r somebody. If u r a nobody, there is nothing to lose– the ” nobody” syndrome
Ps feverbaba– nice name
Taran is as corrupt as everyone else. Don’t take what he says so seriously. Others make 50 crore films and those enter recovery more easily than Bachchan’s 10 crore films! This is how it works. Costs are jacked up. Accounting is done in different ways and so forth. This is a game. Nothing more. To come up with certain kinds of verdicts later.
AndhraBoxOffice AndhraBoxOffice.Com
It is very Sad that Bolly audience have lapped up some abusive ‘Shit’ but not Bbuddah on Day1. Hopefully BHTB Picks up soon.
But, Bbuddah outshined Delhi Belly in AP. 4 Shows Full in all main Hyd, Vja & Vizag theatres.
publicity… how much publicity has bbuddah really had? in india its been good…but not in all the centres….overseas has had nothing ito publicity!!! You guys are speculating…. are you trying to say that abhishek doesn’t know what his film cost him?
What we are saying is that Abishekh is not reporting the exact figures. How can Adarsh quote guys from Viacom and be this confident? And this wouldn’t exactly be the first time that a producer is not telling the correct number for his movie.
But where is Adarsh’s proof? Why are you accepting his word as the gospel truth when you know the kinds of games he plays all the time? But even if Abhishek made a mistake I’ve already addressed why this debate is pointless without accounting for all other films where people quote all sorts of things and get a free pass.
Yes, that is right but let me try to put this in perspective and so repetition.
Doga, probably meant P & A (Prints and Advertising) and not P & P.
Prints are the actual physical film and cost of it directly related to number of prints and has no connection with smallness or bigness of the film. In other words if both has same number of prints then the cost of both goes up by the same margin. I don’t know whether this is the norm to add this cost or Taran started a new trend with this movie? For ‘Paa’ he never brought up this or questioned it similar low budget.
Now, on advertising I do recall AB categorically saying it is inclusive of total 10 crore budget.
It’s taran’s word against Abhishek….. one the producer and the other a corrupt trade analyst who claims that viacom has mentioned the figure he has… just like it took him forever to accept that bnb was a hit….!!! For the Bachchan’s the trade guys are always out with their knives…perhaps if they wined and dined these egotistical trade guys….it would be a different story!!!
Don’t think he erred because the picture being presented is misleading. A 10 crore film goes up to 22 crores in terms of total costs. But elsewhere 30 or 40 or 50 crore films also go up by just that very same margin! How is that possible? So Aamir spent 35 crores on DB by his own words. What’s Taran saying? That it’s under 30! Forget the total costs, he’s actually under the number Aamir provided (even using his earlier 30 crore claim).
I’ve said this many times before and I’ve not got a convincing answer from anyone in all these years. Don’t give me numbers on any one film or the other. It doesn’t make sense that a 45 crore film costs 55 with all costs included and then a 10 crore film also costs the very same. So if one is going to say 22 crores for Bbuddah let’s bring up the ‘real’ numbers for other mega-productions. All round.
There is no answer. None whatsoever. Because it’s not an honest system. And unfortunately many buy into it also. what happens is something like this: someone will say BBuddah cost 10 crores and with all other costs included it was 22 crores. When it’s a bigger film it’s something along the lines of ‘film cost 45 crores, additional costs 15 crores, total 60 crores, sold for… and so on’. But what’s the problem here? The fact that those ‘additional’ numbers suddenly become comparable for the 10 crore and the 45 crore film. Much as the moment films hit 70 or 80 crores or whatever they’re all hits and no one really considers the much greater costs involved. Then these numbers start popping up — x for satellite rights, y for audio rights. At no stage of the process is any number verified or even verifiable. So does one just take it at face value?
And so with the likes of Taran all kinds of math and every different arguments are presented to make certain films successes of some sort and others not depending on the agenda in each instance. Suddenly a Bachchan film comes up. Whether it’s BnB or Guru, Sarkar Raj or DMD, Paa or Bbbuddah — irrespective of the performance the very same box office reports are presented (almost to the last word), the very same games are played and so on. Elsewhere all kinds of films become all kinds of successes with all kinds of dubious mathematical claims.
In this environment if Abhishek insists on his ‘budget’ he is entirely right to do so. How is it that DB and BBuddah according to Taran are just separated by some crores at the end of it all when there’s a difference of 25 crores on the budget? The fact that DB was on paper the hotter film is reflected in every sense from the screen count to what not. But suddenly when it’s about the economics they’re not that far apart! So I know what the claims are in every instance. But they make NO sense when you put it all together.
Similarly with Ghajini the big budget and so on became an issue when it was the first film to gross so much. Meanwhile tons of other films settle down in the 60-70 range and no one says much about their budgets or anything. Again I know what numbers are presented in each case. But they seem absurd. It’s like an old sparring partner I had once tried to prove to me that the distribution costs of KANK were not that different from those of UJ! Here too numbers were provided. I didn’t believe them!
I say this to everyone. Don’t expect me to accept numbers on good faith. Show me some evidence or at least show me a credible model.
Getting back to Bbuddah yes even the 22 crore figure is very low but people who insist on the higher number for one film and the lower one for another are generally doing so for certain reasons. So it’s never just about the numbers.
Aamir confirmed 25 crore budget. rest is P&P (where it reaches 35). But yes a 25 crore movie and 10 crore movie P&P would be different just because of scale.
Doga, probably meant P & A (Prints and Advertising) and not P & P.
Prints are the actual physical film and cost of it directly related to number of prints and has no connection with smallness or bigness of the film. In other words if both has same number of prints then the cost of both goes up by the same margin. I don’t know whether this is the norm to add this cost or Taran started a new trend with this movie? For ‘Paa’ he never brought up this or questioned it similar low budget.
Now, on advertising I do recall AB categorically saying it is inclusive of total 10 crore budget.
Lol…..Every member here is trying to become a trade analyst and is playing with nos of BHTB.This has become a routine matter here on this site,whenever a big b movie releases and when trade sites put their nos the Bachchan fanatics get belly aching by facing reality.
The previous one month has seen all kinds of controversies surrounding the film industry.
First it was SRK’s below-the-belt act when he attempted to impress the journalist with the so called humour
Then there was discussion about the crass factor in DK Bose
Then some people thinking Big B annouced Ash’s news to gain publicity for his film!
Then this news of Ash losing the Heroine project
then this lady who tweets about the Bachchans’ UP mentality!
RGV tweets
The Bachchans and Taran’s arguments
The Tarantino episode with the Indian girl, and the media shamelessly publishing every single detail of their encounter in a national daily, which is supposedly a newspaper every family member reads .. Phew
Some people need to get a life – especially this desperate for publicity woman who commented on the Bachchans’ personal life.. I just hope she wasnt around when someone must have ridiculed her parents in the media circles, as to how she was ‘brought up’
Some respect needs to be given to people are entering a new phase of happiness in their lives, with the arrival of their newborn. and some sick-minded people choose this as a platform to publicise themselves.. Nothing short of immoral and disgusting!’
Very true, TM.
She has now retracted her coments and claims her lap top was stolen!
Just need to ignore those.
God knows what is going on their lives that makes people resort to bitterness and venom. May Lord have mercy on them.
Yes Rajen. I read that part of the interview as well.. where she denied all of that.
she was contradicting herself in every sentence she spoke.. sometimes she referred that her laptop was stolen, while at other times, she tried to defend her ‘UP mentality’ statement by saying that she wasnt referring to Abhiash but talking generally, and it could even be a Hollywood star she might have referred to..
Like Hollywood stars with UP mentalities.. LOL..
I think she’s the same woman who had a small part in Bheja Fry.. She played Rajat Kapoor’s girlfriend, I guess
I saw your other long response which I didn’t let through because it was ridiculous. First off I never said DB was getting mixed reviews. You have simply imagined this. But yes in the initial round Bbuddah had 100% positive reviews while DB had a few negative ones. In the second round though Bbuddah has had some negative reviews, DB now seems more positive. Either way BBuddah is still overall very positive. The highest rated films ever never ended up with more than 82% or so at allbollywood.com (when the site was around). Anything in even the low 70s was generally very good. So even for the very best films and even in the very best scenarios there are very many negative reviews. But one has to look at the overall trend. The rest is just a partisan response from you which cannot be taken seriously. Because when all the reviews were positive you didn’t show up, now that there are some negative ones you suddenly appear. If my eyes ever need to be opened it will take someone with more integrity than you can dream of in this lifetime!
Incidentally there was no negative review that I had seen when I put up that comment and there were tons of positive ones.
Satyam, DB only has one negative review from Slant magazine (2/4). I challenge you to post any other review from print media that has been published so far (one or the other may appear in next 24 hrs).
besides the above mentioned review and another on NDTV hindi television reviewer I have not seen a single negative review from professional reviewers.
But DB is doing very well with international reviewers as well. It is at 88% on RT and could have been 100% if it were’nt for that one Slant Magazine review
“But yes in the initial round Bbuddah had 100% positive reviews while DB had a few negative ones”
You have been imagining this. While initial BHTB reviews were positive DB was a step above then as well. When further reviews came, DB continues to get positive reviews. BHTB got quite some negative ones
I dont read reviews satyam, only wat folks say here n other sites. usually I shun reviews. Font give them so much importace.
Just posting them for reference.
satyam, i am surprised to see the way you have gone about Big B’s film here and giving DB a very less space than it deserves….i m gonna watch both the movies but dude, where are the reviews for DB – everywhere on your blog these days it is BHTB…..looks more like Big B’s PR blog than a neutral film-buff’s blog….DB will easily beat BH…in terms of B.O., critical acclaim etc and Big B will still remain Big B even if film doesn’t work that well…..what is the point in bombarding your site with BHTB so much that one feels that this is just too much…..
every DB review has been posted here as well.. I can’t help it if Bbuddah has attracted more attention. Every trailer was put up for both films. If there had been a premiere for DB with a video would have put up that as well. But yeah the BBuddah images attracted more attention for obvious reasons but I actually put up all the images and all the trailers for pretty much every major film.
And who said I was neutral?! But I try and give everything important as much coverage as possible. Naveed will tell you how many times I updated the ready stills. Similarly and even though it hasn’t attracted much buzz I have updated ZNMD with each new image and each new trailer. Have done the same for Singham. Could go on and on. But if more people here want to discuss BBuddah there’s nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to discuss DB all the time that’s fine too. I’m not neutral but that isn’t reflected in the content here. The other week just some stills from the shoot for Barfi (Ranbir) looked good to me and I put them on top. I haven’t done this for any Abhishek film barring Raavan.
So not sure what the point is. But again I am not neutral. Certainly not ‘neutral’ the way you are!
I agree with Ideaunique Satyam. Reviewers are calling DB a CULT movie iat par with DCH, Andaaz Apna Apna and Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron from a cinematic liberation perspective.
Not sure when I ever denied this. But the DB box office has never been a mystery to me. I have always been clear about what this would do, have said so many times, have defended the film many times including just today from the charge of bad language and so on. This isn’t a box office story that interests me because I have always known this would be big. at every point I have said BBuddah would in all probability not be able to match the box office of this film because of the youth demographic, and certainly not in the initial run. The thing though is folks like yourself seem to go deaf and dumb when I say those things repeatedly and then suddenly go into attack mode the moment you hear other stuff!
The only other person in the industry who evokes similar sentiments is Rajnikanth. But for now, my senses are satiated with the Bachchan mania. Bachchan has proved in his stylish way, he is indeed the Baap of them all. I again exclaim like Prakash Raj “ Baap re baap”!
The opening day collections are unbelievable. And equally thrilling is the reaction of the audiences. Have spent all day travelling from theatre to theatre. Cant tell you guys how happy I am!!! All I can say is thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Love. x
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just comin back from Bbuddah show…..
i lked the movie.. especially the climax part. The new girl from south is cute and spontaneous. Amitabh bachchan is as usual awssm.
Movie hall was 60 % occupied… and it was a multiplex. I guess family audience prefers the late night shows.
i was sitting in Gold class… which was Rs 400 per ticket… that was house full.. then the Rs 200 section was housefull… Rs 150 section had around 20% people… Rs 100 section was half occupied…
yeah I’ve heard so much anecdotal evidence from people along these lines. But the trade keeps coming up with the same old bull. It works when a film doesn’t eventually work or stays at a lower level because then they can maintain that narrative. But BBuddah is a very commercial film, the reviews have been great, WOM has been great so this one isn’t going anywhere. Not that the usual suspects did anything different even with Bachchan hits/blockbusters.
For all those who were blaming Abhishek for just talking about the 10.5 crore figure for Bbuddah here Nahata himself just mentions the 25 crore figure for DB and says Aamir won’t have a problem recovering it.
Gets back to my perennial point. There’s just no consistency in the trade because of dishonesty and/or incompetence.
Just saw the movie. I was going to put up a post, but criticizing a film like Bbuddha feels kind of like being the one buzz-kill who complains at a party that everyone else seems to be enjoying.
It’s a fun, perfectly harmless movie but I don’t think it’s particularly memorable. Honestly, my main problem was that in a film purportedly made in tribute to Amitabh Bachchan, I didn’t feel there was enough of Amitabh Bachchan in it. Or maybe Puri didn’t, to my mind, successfully “get” the spirit of Amitabh Bachchan. Bbuddah has an ensemble cast and it’s nice that the director takes time to develop several story threads (even if some of these are totally abandoned by the end) but ultimately I felt that Bachchan, our ringmaster, gets a bit sidelined by the “circus” whirling around him.
I have some nitpicks that probably border on ludicrous but there’s a reason for it. One of them is the massively poor choice by Puri or the production in covering Bachchan’s expressive, arresting eyes with all manner of massive Aviators for what felt like 75% of the movie. Another is a climactic action scene that takes the baap of all dishoom-dishoom on-screen fist-fighters and places him in the center of some by-the-books gunplay. Again, these complaints probably sound like the wailings of a frustrated fanboy (and they absolutely are) but the problem is that Puri himself is in fanboy mode here, and every fanboy has their own personal experience and perception of their idol, and their own ideas on how to properly prostrate before it!
Bachchan gets a role that is fun and flamboyantly charismatic, but it’s a bit one-note and the jokes kind of get…well, old. There are a few precious moments in the film where one is riveted by hearing Bachchan talk about his “purana rishtaa” with the city of Bombay, and one of the chief pleasures of the movie is seeing him on those streets, riding a hog on those roads, and doing his brand of ass-kicking, showing present-day wannabes how it is (or was and should be) done. You almost wish that Bachchan’s mission in this movie wasn’t to save an estranged son but an estranged city.
Look forward to your thoughts on this one…a second viewing might have me unburdened by the weight of expectations which I was obviously wrestling with here…
LOL.
This shows how one can reasonably opine on a review/view without actually having seen the film as opposed to a retard with more opinions than grey cells in some other land who goes around saying which review is right or which reviewer got it right without actually seeing the film!
Might be a little difficult to understand the context here but samajhnewaale samajh jaayenge.
I’ve watched it, disappointed. In every aspect it is bad. AB’s makeup was horrible and in some scenes in first half he looked very old. I didn’t enjoy even a single bit, overhyped. I am not sure how the media is so positive in ratings. Paa, Cheenikum and Black, this movie comes no where near to these. As some one mentioned in this forum, it is worse than B grade movie. i am sorry, ABC wrong move.
I agree with GF to some extent.
His idea is to do two versions. The Abhishek one is confirmed as far as I know. Wouldn’t be surprised if it began before the Telugu one. But these things can change.
i will back abhi and ABCL for continuing with puri as director – simply because he makes movies within tight budget so at the end of the day if the movies are average at BO – it is a profitable venture for them with all the additional rights – as producers, it is smarter to sign such directors – any day
oh man..Ted..I expected something better from your side..I did not like the Amitji’s makeup from the promos..I wish they had presented him in the KBC style..but going by the reviews it seemed OK..Amways
catching it tonight.
“devang sampat from chief strategy officer cinepolis mumbai distributor says both bbuddah n db having equal shows in their property. all three movies doing 75-80%. tough competition. public response is youth telling sallu shd go back to school n learn from big b women cussing db. Info from komal nahata show on etc:”
one can borrow rgvs “harmless/ compliment” ch…ya comment on Bachchan and use it for gf— not writing enuf (as if he is having to PAY for each word coming out of his “pen”)………lol
ps—its surprising how few cinemas are showing buddha or even DB overseas—wished to contribute my bit towards the ticket collections, but cannot since its not being shown anywhere close.
ps2–Irrespective of the eventual fate, my initial hunch seems to be coming true. Releasing Buddha with db seems to have robbed bachchan of another major clear hit!!
Unfortunately, ego and complacency / inertia gripped viacom+bachchans.
This seems to have somewhat diluted a good campaign buildup, buzz and even good word of mouth.
Read somewhere that aamir spent the whole day getting first ahdn reactions from cinemas all over—not thats the sort of “hands on involvement” one needs……..and that too for a decade—-one doesnt get a creidibilty and audience faith overnite to command audience trust and respect to get them over for a suspect DB on the first day against a tried and tested alternative (buddha)…..
Hahaha– gf- spelt it correctly due to your special writing skills
Andnbcos undone seem to have anything to do with “coming” spel the other day(atleast apparently)….
So even typos are sometimes used selectively…hahaha
Haven’t seen Buddha but the box office scenario looks v confusing and murky-1 with different reports coming— needs someone to take lead from the producers (maybe abhi, via ok) & sort out with the bo reporting guys ASAP– one has to be practical and doesn’t need to indulge in criminal unethical stuff but nothing wrong with” healthy PR exercise” — one cannot behave ABOVE the system— no point in fighting with fans and taran on twitter like what abhi did IMO — he won’t be able to fall to their level anyways!!
Watched it and absolutely loved it! Amitji was fabulous,I wanted to see him in every scene of the movie!Truly love Mr B but I never got to see him do this type of thing on the big screen since his Hum’s and Agneepath’s were before my time, so as a hardcore AB fan this movie was a worldclass experience for me into the Bachchanmania on the Big screen.So it’s not a path breaking movie but it was never meant to be, for me it did exactly what it was meant to do celebrate the sheer brilliance of a man named Amitabh Bachchan, and he does not dissapoint! It’s BigB all the way just as we like to see him!Feel like a total Bachchan fangirl right now!
Went for the 8:30 show and happy to report that it was housefull here!People were actually clapping for some of the dialogues and this does not happen often here in any movie! Felt so elated! So for me the movie did what it was supposed to do, entertain only in a way that Mr B can!
Just got to say all hail Amitabhh Bachchan,the hero of hero’s!
A really nice and pertinent review there fimifan—to the point and had the relevant info for others…
Welcome to the crowd—nice to find a bachchan fangirl!!
Just read teds review above and was disappointed.
Others like kash have given an exceptionally good report and so am surprised at the disparity.
“So it’s not a path breaking movie but it was never meant to be, for me it did exactly what it was meant to do celebrate the sheer brilliance of a man named Amitabh Bachchan, and he does not dissapoint! “—well said—basically, it does what it says on the tin!!
Filmifan—u write v well and should write more…
ps—chatted with another SA gal @work–after hearing out the options–wanna try snorkeling & hot-air ballooning—hope it is safe and i survive! !lol
just came back after watching the movie. I thought is was pretty enjoyable and entertaining. The hall was 80% full, Both the old and the young people were loving it and laughing at BigB’s one liners.
I kind of liked the Raveena track.. overall though I thought it was too short…the bGM is awesome as are the action scenes. The go meera song although superb and the sequence before the song seemed a bit forced .
the movie has a repeat value and is a must watch for Big B fans…
overheard an Aunty as we were coming out of the theatre- Main poori picture mein ek minute ko bhee nahee soyee, Amitabh Bachchan jo tha poicture mein………
Rocky, you talk about NG site. What is the expansion for ng? I would like to visit. Why that site is at loggerheads with SS sometimes? Satyam also refers to it often.
NG is naachgaana. Satyam, being satyam, had a history with NG. He was a prolific commentator there and some of his best essays were on that site. However, he has had differences there and has started his own blog.
NG since then has become stale with no original content , except when abzee posts there.
Thanks for the information. One more site on my radar.
Atleast NG is still there with lots of technical information and every other review. While PFC has closed down leaving many distraught. Even PFC lost many of its contributors and they did not bother about making it look more attractive. Actually there is a paucity of good sites where there is less rudeness and more debate.
I specially liked the remixing of mere naseeb mein and Tu cheez badi hai mast mast…. wish they had retained the Raveena song in the movie….
I think to keep the movie short, they may have edited out a bit too much of the movie….in the first half the editing did look a bit sloppy..
SPOILER——.also he never gets to tell Prakash Raj why he wears two watches …..
“SPOILER——.also he never gets to tell Prakash Raj why he wears two watches …..”
This was one of the many small things that didn’t really pay off (I mean why even do the watch explanation at all if it’s not done for Prakash Raj?) and one of my main problems with the film was its abandonment of its story threads. I have a strong feeling that this film was edited down from a longer TRT or just scripted in a rush. The storytelling just isn’t whole here. The fact that we never see the reconciliation between the son and the father (really the central theme here is about Bachchan, sab ka baap, emerging and reconciling his legacy with a new generation) was just plain odd..
they did not even show any song with the end credits, also IMO for the Go meera song they should have tried to get -Madhuri, Sridevi and Nandita Das instead of teh usual firangee girls…….
Abhishek said the Go Meera song will be out later. Not sure what the deal here is. They’ve already used it in the promotions. Thought they’d use it for the credits.
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Delhi Belly scored heavily over Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap in Kanpur multiplexes despite it being a more of a mass centre. The collections of Delhi Belly are not huge but pretty good in Kanpur while Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap is awful. The first day collections from Kanpur multiplexes were as follows.
I m from Kanpur…. It is the most advanced and commercial city of UP…. not some town of masses….And for ur Knowlegde Delhi belly has all the prime time shows…. Buddha shows r 11:00 am, 2: 15pm, 10:30 pm….
DB is released on double the screens Bbudhdha is released… the last show of Inox i watched was 60% full…
Delhi belly has lot many shows then budhdha… and the fav timings too
I would also like to know why the tension (if I can call it that) between Ng and SS. I am more active on Ng than here even though I find this place full of learned people in the way films are discussed even though Bachan mania is everywhere here (not that I am objecting) I joined Ng around Dabangg time and this place few months after I think.
Yes Vatikala Doga is also more on Ng. Yakuza is also very much active there and like you said rooney also.
Naveed, thats past, i guess ppl have moved on… but in brief one line.. there were differences (srk/bigb/aamir) heated debates.. and Satyam and friends moved on in life and blog. And so Did Rohit and co.
i joined SS, within some days of its inaugration.
ps- if u want to see the fiesty debates of past check NG archives. They would give u unbiashed opinion, everything is there.
Why there is so much catfight about numbers?
Why not enjoy movies as they are whatever their numbers are?
I am not watching DB because of my phobia for toilet humour.
Just one change to BHTB .. and it will work 10 times .. if they add Go Meera Go (Abhishek Version) in end credit note as well .. This will work big time and people will come out dancing .. at the moment Haal-E-Dil just make sooth ending, somewhat not match with essence of movie .. Satyam .. please convey this to BigB to make this happen ASAP ..
if they add abhishek song – the theaters will immediately turn to empty houses – that is the touch jr. b enjoys leave BIG B’s film to his own power – abhi can guarantee u a disaster as an actor – so leave him here as the producer only
LOL, Buddha’s collections are estimated at 1-1.5 cr. by some. Those are some pathetic collections when on this forum someone were comparing buzz of Buddha with that of Ready and someone was quoting Buddha as Dabangg of 2011. ROFL, LMAO.
dont think the numbers are that low… but still it wont be more than 3cr day 1…. and if the word-of-mouth is bad the weekend could be less than 10cr and the total business would not cross 20cr
Arun, First day business of Buddha is 1.14 cr. as I said -
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap was very bad on its first day and needs huge turnaround on Saturday and Sunday to have even a small chance of scoring at the box office. The film grossed around 1.15 crore nett approx on its first day. The territorial breakdown was as follows.
only 1 cr? now every box office analyst, bo site and everyone who throws such a figure will be lambasted by satyam – how dare Big B’s film collect such a low amount? Nah, there is something wrong with paying public, analysts, BO sites….etc. etc……..:-)
(declaration: i am still going to watch Big B as I still love him)
Look at cinemas and shows in Delhi .. Any movie even in 3rd week has more shows than its first week … BY no means this looks like big release .. I am surprise .. Heck .. this is even less than 400 screens release . . I am dead sure ..
I remember .. when Paa was released .. Lost of screens was such a big .. there were more than 150 shows in delhi . which were listed in BMS .. and now for Bbuddah it looks less than 50 shows … where si scope for Bbuddah to earn ??
SO Mr. Taran Adarsh … Delhi belly: 1200print 80 to 90%occupancy collections 7cr. #dmd : .1100 print occupancy 15to20% collection5.5cr ….. how possible ???
Shaurya, those are articles about predictions/hopes/wishes just as expressed on this very blog. Actual figure is in front of you. 1.14 Cr. is what it was able to garner on day 1. Its even pathetic when we consider that Bheja Fry 2, a non-starer did 2 crores on its 1st day!
How 1.14 Crore is actual figure ?? BOI himself claims that all their figures are estimates ..
How you can forget following instances :
DMD first day report by BOI .. 2.25 Crore . . Actual .. 5.5 Crore
Golmaal 3 : Report by BOI .. 4 Crore … Actual .. 8 Crore
BNB .. BOI life time reporting 36 Crore .. Actual 42 Crore (By Komal and Planebollywood).
These are bizzarre instances and there are more such examples .. No wonder BOI after some days come up with another number for Bbuddah ..
BOI is playing huge tricks as always. It is impossible to get such a low number. I saw in Dubai last night almost housefull. My parents did not get night show ticket in fame Andheri last night. And we are talking abt multiplexes here. BOI is gettin bad to worse for every Bachchan movie.
For my short opinion on movie loved it Bachchan was brilliant and has unbelievable screen presence still. BAAP RE BAAP. Only they should not have ended with Hema and emotions it needed a peppy song ending as also suggested by Jeevan. It would have improved the positivity in the end.
Just got back from a showing in Seattle.. less than 20% capacity and that too for the first show!! Was really surprised to see it that low at the beginning. After the show, i was surprised that there were even 20%. Honestly the movie, how do I put it, was pretty bad.
Delhi Belly on the other hand was packed. Long lines to enter the cinema hall. EVen in the 3rd show of the day.
I was expecting a lot more from the movie, especially after reading the reviews this morning and I have to say barring “few” light moment, I was really really dissapointed. I thought it would be a lot more like “Wanted” or “Dabbang”, but nowhere close. Raveena REALLY got a raw deal, not sure why her song was cut. If I were her, I would be pissed. Also the Go Meera Go song with Abhishek was not shown in the end-credits. The story was just bits and pieces mix-matched together, the flow was missing. Some songs and sequences also seemed forced in, as someone said before felt like a major rush job to get it done. This is NOT what you expect from a Bachchan film and an ABCorp production. Thoroughly dissapointed.
Reading figures of a measly Rs. 1-1.5 crore first day is down right pathetic. Can’t see how it can get better??? Public percpetion (not talking about financials etc.) seems like a FLOP.
Releasing it with DB was a braindead idea… huge huge risk and I think AB Corp and Viacome paid for it dearly. Still not sure what they were thinking. Releasing it on a clean week, would have given it some chance.
Also all the controversy surrounding budget has left a sour taste in my mouth. I understand Taran (and others as such) are playing games, but I think Bachchan’s are playing games as well (as much as I hate to say it). Bachchan’s blog also left a very sour taste in my mouth. I actually believe Taran’s tweek about ego’s being hurt is directed right at the Bachchan’s and I think he is spot on… Bachchan’s blog indirectly confirms that as well.
All in all, being a hard core BigB fan, I honestly have to say that I was thoroughly dissapointed in this movie and in the aftermath of controversies.
A BigB fan always, but today was not a good day for me as a Bachchan fan…. in more ways than one.
Sorry Shaurya, not sure I get what you’re saying or insinuating.
I’m a huge fan of AB, always have been, but was definetely dissapointed with this movie. Doesn’t make me less of a fan. Hey at least I’m objective and have the balls to say that I didn’t like his film. That doesn’t make me less of a fan.
Also I care deeply as a fan, and yes when we see accusation flying around, you take heed and question. I would have liked to see ABJr post the figures and prove Taran and Viacom wrong. I would have a sigh of relief.
where does a question of people are not fools arise. Don’t get that at all.
I have recently started coming on social blogging forums basically found satyam posts on Bachchan blogs very intelligent and practical. Highly impressive. BTW, I saw movie almost housefull here and parents could not get ticket in suburban multiplex lin Mumbai ast night. So it is practically impossible for nos to be as low as BOI reflects. Boxoffice.co.in has better and so has Glamsham. Who to believe?…
IBOS:
Box Office: Buddah Amitabh beating up on Delhi Belly
Saturday, July 02, 2011
Transformers had the best start of the weekend on Friday in multiplexes but the film is not generating a great post-release report in India.
The handful of trademedia of India, as it is often prone to, is giving a false trade picture on Delhi Belly and the Amitabh Bachchan starrer Buddah Hoga Tera Baap (including on costs of the two films). As at the box office, bookings for the Rs. 10 crore Amitabh Bachchan’s solo starrer Buddah Hoga Tera Baap are not only higher than being reported in India, but are now moving ahead of the Rs. 35 crore Delhi Belly in Delhi Belly’s hometurf, the multiplexes, while showing bigger jumps in single screens whereas Delhi Belly has opened weak with little hope of a pickup there.
This is relevant in light of claims of Delhi Belly (mostly in english) having had a bumper start in India, which is simply not the case, not even across the board of metros and multiplexes this time.
DB is good in select multiplexes and overseas pockets only. At 25-30% it has had a weak start in metros like Calcutta (10% in some cases), Jaipur, Pune, Surat and emerging Hindi metros like Kanpur and even Bombay is nowhere near as expected with Saturday collections clocking barely 25-30% bookings at multiplexes like Fame Adlabs still. Tickets are readily available most everywhere.
Buddah did not have a great opening on Friday morning either, as had been pointed to by IBOS reports earlier. The difference is Buddah’s picking up faster. And on Saturday itself Buddah will bypass Delhi Belly in a lot of the stations. Amitabh Bachchan films for example rarely do great business in Chennai but Buddah is going toe to toe there with the Aamir Khan production now (DB opened well in Chennai). Hema Malini also may have something to do with Buddah’s boost there as opening in Chennai was good for BHTB on Friday itself.
The reports on Delhi Belly are mixed depending on segment of audience being identified. Some like its toilet humor while others would rather dump and flush it down down the commode itself. The overall reports of BHTB are of the paying public overall approving Amitabh Bachchan’s return to the active role after a long time, overlooking the film’s other shortfalls. It may not have opened as Natwarlal or Kaalia as box office benchmark, but it’s certainly helping it go toe to toe in unexpected places and more impressively power over the likes of the bigger budgeted Delhi Belly as the weekend proceeds.
this is a very different report from the others.. Taran has a1.65 crores for Fri which is still very low of course. Has 7 crores for DB and 2.5 crores for Transformers. I’d be very surprised if Bbuddah didn’t register a drastic pickup today.
I’m a big WWE (formerly WWF) fan; a lot of factors contribute in making the show ‘the longest running prime time show’ – maybe in the entire history of television. It’s like a never-ending film with constantly evolving storylines and characters played by the wrestlers. A storyline, much like the movies, would consist of a wrestler playing a good guy, called ‘babyface’ going head to head with the villain or the ‘heel’ in wrestling terminology.
WWE has had many classic heels such as ‘The Undertaker’ or ‘Shawn Michaels’ or even ‘Stone Cold’ Steve Austin. What worked for all these characters was that they had a lot of ‘Heat’ with the audience; people would pay to boo them, to see them getting beat up. All of these wrestlers are either current or future Hall of Famers.
But there were a lot of other wrestlers/heels in particular who started off very well but disappeared shortly. These were the wrestlers who initially got some heat going with audience but failed to sustain that ‘heat’ for a long time. They were the ones who – in wrestling terms again – used ‘cheap heat’ to get instant fame and were subsequently forgotten. But what is ‘cheap heat’?
‘Cheap heat’ is what you get by directly abusing the audience with heavy duty cuss words. The audience does hate the wrestler because he’s using the most ‘extreme’ foul language against them (grabbing instant attention) but forget about him soon because that’s all he’s got. No substance, no originality, only momentary ‘cheap heat’.
Delhi Belly is a classic example of ‘cheap heat’ being exploited to the maximum. The only difference is unlike WWE’s failed wrestlers who needed to sustain themselves over a period of time, the film only needs to work for you once, and in most of the cases it will, excepting some – like mine.
It is the laziest, most cunning (remember I used this word) screenplay in a long time. A while back I asked filmmaker Anurag Kashyap about using ‘cuss’ words in his films. He said, “That’s the way we talk in real life. Why not in films?” It was an interview for his film ‘Gulaal’. I was blown away by the film and I completely agreed with him.
But while I consider ‘Gulaal’ to be a genuinely written script, I’ve got a big problem with the writer of Delhi Belly. It is somewhat of an exploitation film at best. Something tells me the writer had two choices:
1. The plot which, without any doubt, is an intensely watchable one. It uses original/witty dialogues according to the situations and hope it works for the audience.
2. Given the same plot, go for a sure-shot, less satisfying screenplay, which you know will work for most.
It kills me that the team went for option 2 compared to option 1 simply because it required more effort.
Remember I used the word ‘cunning’. Let me explain.
To get three guys to play ‘hip Delhiites’ who talk like actual living beings is one thing but to use that as a disguise to let your characters hold a prostitute’s breast while talking to her, or constant reference (and shots) of ass cheeks to using every ‘maa-behen’ gaali you’ve ever heard in ‘Hinglish’ (as the ticket reads) is another. They’ve done anything to get your attention. It’s like what Mahesh Bhatt said in a TV chat show, “I am a prostitute selling myself, rest is up to you.”
And let’s not use the ‘oh, we talk like this in real life’ notion here. Nothing in the film has been written to show ‘reality’. Everything has being written very slyly to get that cheap thrill going amongst the audience.
Again I do have to admit that it works like a charm – for most. I am not offended by the film. I am just so disappointed. Here’s hoping this film won’t trigger a series of future films with immense ‘cheap heat’.
A counter PR offensive (ESP involving the taran types) is the need ofthe hour ESP when the situation is confused and equivocal.
Nothing wrong with if one doesn’t indulge in criminal/ unethical nexus– the “ivory tower” approach needs to be abandoned in this day n age. The reviewers have a roletoo and rightly/ wrongly henoaying public reads their reviews/ get influenced to some extent.
The v low no of screens showing Buddha is definitely a mistake–what’s the point in hyping up when people cannot find a feasible screen to watch it on!!!
Ps gf–typo above again – u have not shown any indication of having anything to do with” coming” spelt the other way (atleast apparently)
I havent expected such a low number for BHTB, 1.14 cr is too low. But, I am damn sure result would have been not that worse if it had been released solo, a big mistake.
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‘Bbuddah HTB’ Friday figures estimated by sites at Rs 1.15 cr, while some claim Rs 1 cr, my estimates are approx Rs 1.65 cr nett.
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Australia – Friday: ‘Delhi Belly’ Aus$ 28,051 on 11 screens. ‘Bbuddah HTB’ Aus$ 5,945 on 9 screens.
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‘Delhi Belly’ business is clearly divided. Metros/multplexes have been wonderful, but traditional markets [heartland] not as good.
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‘Delhi Belly’ – India: Friday early estimates above Rs 7 cr nett. Major metros, especially Mumbai, Delhi NCR, Bangalore, are superb.
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‘Delhi Belly’ – Friday: UK £ 41,809 [1 site unreported]. Australia Aus$ 28,051. UAE [Thu] $ 125,000 [7 prints report pending]. Very good!
i live in perth (Australia) and there is no BHTB here in the state of WESTERN AUSTRALIA and now i know that this TARAN guy is a big liar its there only in 3 screens(only in 2 states i,e new south wales..1 theater which has 2 shows @ 4 & 7 pm and Victoria.. 2 theaters which has shows @ 4,7 & 9)…
taran said “9 screens” and in reality its only 3 screens!
taran is correct on DB’s screen count in Australia but “LIED” on BHTB’s screen count as its hardly 3 screens in the whole of Australia…was dissapointed that ab corp and viacom 18 didnt release it much widely??hopefully i can see it next friday??
if anybody wants “proof” on TARAN’s big lie.. on the Australian screen counts of both DB & BHTB can check it out on these websites (hoyts.com.au) for DB and (readingcinema.com.au) for BHTB!!
I suspect BHTB will pick up on Sat and Sun, Delhi Belly would be the first choice for most multiplex goers but it does not have repeat value. I personally did not enjoy DB as a whole, there were some funny gags but the cussing and offensive scenes get tiring by the end.
funny guy Prakash jaju just watched DB and attacking.
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DB is shame on Banner which gave Lagaan, Jaane Tu ya Jaane na & Taare Zameen Par .. @aamir_khan, in this regard @SrBachchan gets 7 star
Censor board members who cleared DB should be arrested & CBI should check, how much bribe they took..There is a big racket involved in this
bottomline—want buddha to do well, for bachchans sake —the movies fate seems quite undecided rite now……
btw wimbledon ladies final—sharapova vs kvitova—
Feel it will be closer than people think–Kvitova has worked on her game recently and maria is not serving well.
But am backing Maria (for obvious reasons)….
sometimes it boils down to who has got the stamina and the “legs”–lol
Kvitova wins the first set and has porved she has it in her ot win grand slam(s)
Can she sustain it and can Maria claw her way back—interestng battle!!
ps—on buddha front—a real test for abhi the producer—if he is worth it, he should go on a PR overdrive including the likes of taran/nahata and leave egos behind (to begin with)!!!
problem is the qualification and transparency which will be forever…
some 2 and 3 analyst are there ( with only nahata being a qualified charted accountant and other some close fianance background ) and some of their proxy sites …
if you have to influence make them happy to get favourable results
unlike in hollywood where everything is transparent and you get number directly from ticket sales ……………………………………………………..
anyway one hope both delhi belly and buddha gets better results
Exquisitely brilliant “bullet point” report by b rangan— don’t think the film will be more enjoyable than this review.
B rangan has to be the best film reviewer alive in india IMO .
Want to watch both these films but not being shown anywhere near enuf– disappointing/
Again underlines how abcl/ via ok have messed it by pitting their film against this one
Ps the first point by b ranagan was pertinent as to how abhinay deo joins the ranks of maththan, giwarikar, and will add– Mehta, farhaan akhtar & a few more .
well alex abhi might have been confident that if with popular song dance locales aif abhinay deo gives game, then certainly he can only better that flop with DB
kidding but certainly its unforgivable the release date, and i think everyone from lead actor, producer, PR etc shud take the blame to take on AKP production and Transformers
Yes Rooney–btw thans for the brangan review link—which usually is better than any of the movies being reviewed…
Actually havent seen the movie buddha, but from the first moment I came to know about this “clash”, I wondered how and why this was being done by abcl/viacom—totally inexplicable.
Ok, the week or two before and after this one may also be booked (DDhamaal, znmd etc), but y was it not preponed to a few weeks earlier/later to a clear week…
Not sure of any inside complusions, but if it is due to overconfidence, ego or lethargy/passivity, it is unpardonable —and as u suggested, everyone from the lead actor, producers etc need not only to take the blame but also bear the loss (which they will have to, it seems now)
Being a bachchan fan, the opening day figures (even if disputable) does come as a real disappointment.
Only serial mistakes can create such a situation wherein a powerhouse megastar like bachchan is having to send tweets to prove that the budget was below 15-20 crores.
As always, dont mind mincing words—Even time to smell the coffee has maybe passed now.
The problem is that the paying public dont easily forget the “bad experiences” and make sure they dont make those costyl mistakes usually.
For nostalgia related viewings & repeat viewings of proven classics, they are sensible enuf to depend on the telly nowadayz!!!
agreed, btw iamthat posted the link, not me , so he deserves the praise from me and u both as i too loved the review
well one cant help but lament such a clash. better thinking shud have prevailed, i toh would have even not release against transporter though without the fox, but robots are still enough and so is a victoria secret model
but lets c, may be or hopefully better days might be ahead.
Well havent read much reviews uptill now, but by mistake read this and its on Budha Hoga Tera Baap, thought to share
if sattu wish to remove it i dont mind, his call, but felt it was worth sharing. (by Tanned Sen)
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Just came from Buddah hoga tera baap. Rocky/Gorilla – take a bow. We need more of your ilk in NG. This is easily Amitabh’s best movie after Agneepath. May I say that this is a must watch for anyone who liked Amitabh movies of the 70s and 80s. It is a totally terrific movie and let me say that this beats any masala movie in the last couple of decades – at least for me.
Amitabh totally rocks and how. Frankly this movie has nothing in it except Amitabh. Pretty much no storyline – but man this is a one man show like nothing else. I had lost my respect for Amitabh based on his body of work over the last 2 decades – but today I can say that Amitabh is the biggest and best superstar. This rekindled so many memories of the old Amitabh and the excitement with which we used to stand in lines for an Amitabh movie in the 70?s and 80?s. And for people talking about music and songs – there is one song in this sung by Amitabh – it is pure magic.
I know I am gushing like a teenager – but today is a reason why Amitabh is Amitabh. Sir – thank you – you made my day/week/year.
I will just say this to lot of the folks here – NG has fast become this crazy star based fighting zone – where everyone aligns with one star or the other. If you are here because you love movies – then give BTHB a chance – give Amitabh a chance. At worst you lose a few hundred bucks – but the odds are that you will come out of the theater thanking that you didnt miss this experience. And yes – if you are married with kids etc – take them for this – let them know what Amitabh was.
Honestly – have never plugged a movie so much in my life – but boy – am i glad that this movie experience happened. ”
the initial apprehensions about DB regarding swearing n toilet humor has died down.. its the time for positive reviews.. everyone I know is praising the film, words being used nothing short of ‘awesome’ and ‘great’
me n wife went watched DB yest.. and were highly disappointed… laughed only for the first time when slang was used and the last laugh was when veer das character drinks water in burkha!! that’s it..were are the gags the gaalis everyone talking about!! gaalias were there but felt like normal and did not made us like laughing on them after first few!!! went with high expectation but we were highly dispoointed!!!! reviewers said it is a laugh riot but were were the gags!! come on!!!!
btw..will watch bhtp tomorrow… roamed in afternoon heat to at least 4 multiplexes in hyd to get tickets!!!! finally got hold of tickets in pvr cinema in panjagutta of tomorrow at 10.30 pm…will tell you guys!!!!
May be I watched different movie… The audi where I saw the movie was bursting with laughters… Come on… U didnt find laughter doesnt mean others 99 percent felt the same… I m fan of no one but Damn give credit to aamir… He knows His Stuff. Period. ..
ha!!!!!!!!!!!!! ted!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on buddy.. do not joke!!! script is king..!!! wtf.. hugely borrowed from 2-3 hollywood movies!
but my point is do you believe just that reviewers saying DB to be a good movie N audience after seeing this farting shit and jokes(sorry no jokes) movie say good!!!! BIG NOOOO! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amit, watch BHTB. I’ve watched both,didn’t like either. But in case of DB you can see clever writing. I’ve heard DB has taken long time,may be they grounded the director in the middle like TZP and AK or his wife reshooted later. i am not sure, read somewhere.
Yes,people bursts with laughter for farting scenes and 3 Idiot’s roti making scene. Is it the way of entertaining the audience?
Amir has sensed the audience pulse.
iamthat.. m i talking about everyone!!!!!no.. this is what we felt n said.. it is just an info..!!!! do not feel bad if i say anything bad… mAY B i expected a high from this movie and was disappointing thats its!!!!!!!!
n one more thing..
pulling a movie down doesn’t make the other movie up n hit!!!so relax.. i would be more than happy to see both movie profiting!! but db disappointed us!!! n to your misery.. one family wit elderly left in the middle of db!!! thanks to farting character pressing b**bs of the prostitute!!!
“roamed in afternoon heat to at least 4 multiplexes in hyd to get tickets!!!! “—-Pandey—thats what a real fan is…lol
btw if u r not getting tickets in 4 plexes, whats this f..in crap bout 20-30% attendance??
Its really surprsing that in this day n age , proper validated computer generated figures (atleast of the plexes) are not possible??
ps—just revisited parts of “heat” –enjoyed it—always wonder how it was decided between de niro and al pacino as to who will play which role?
alex…………. in hyd barring imax prasads, all online booking is not working… yeah.. here too people are rushing for DB. but to be honest..would have been more than happy to laugh at DB jokes. but they were there,,, only few n far!!!!!!!!!!!!! m big fan of hangover , snatch n Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels so was expecting a laugh riot but was left with repetitive toilet jokes n bad hindi dubbing!!!!!!!
ted.. have not watched bhtb.. so would not comment.. will see it tomorrow late night n then say!!! but again to put… we were expecting a very good script with laughter after so much of hype about DB!!!!! AS AN ADMIRER OF AMIR KHAN movies .was disappointed and also with false reviewers for telling so much of lie!!!!!!!!!! please don’t take my comment as pulling anyone down.. i respect both Ab sir and Amir!!! but yeah more titled towards Ab sr .. he is the man forced me to bed awe n love and respect Hindi movies!!! n respect and proud off amir of being the man alone fought against idiotic cinema when is produced lagaan!!
Once again validation of Satyam’s observation from AB himself..
Copy & paste from AB’s blog..
“Many write back in appreciation of my post of yesterday. Many find it most perceptive and honest. Many though question its very presence and why its need. Satyam as always most eloquent and researched makes very valid argument, as does the site http://www.ibosnetwork.com, which I copy now for your benefit ~
Box Office: Buddah Amitabh beating up on Delhi Belly
agree. Why AB didn’t talk about how it is faring on Sat?
How the media can compare these two films? I am seeing articesin pother forums DB leads bHTB by miles!! Do they know BHTB is low budget film?
I still wonder how Amir spent 30cr on this? They might have retaken whole movie to cost that much.
Big B posting the link of IBOS is stupidity…previously also he has done similar things like posting internet links with various season KBC TRP ratings… Not sure whether he does not have any idea or just believing his stupid fans and putting links randomly….He should first validate whether this site is trust worthy or not…What ever from today on wards i am 100% sure that this site is being run by Bachhans. I wonder if this man did these kind of tricks in his hey days to remain no 1.
Interestingly how this IBOS link has mentioned “Box Office: Buddah Amitabh beating up on Delhi Belly”. This puts to an end of the healthy competitiveness that was shown by Aamir and Big B prior to movie release.
Seems like Bachhans and their fans are in la-la land (recent such case was TMK where Farah and Shirish behaved childishly) and believing that Buddhaa is beating DB…Except IBOS, every trade analyst is saying DB is ahead and far ahead of BHTB…
I honestly have no problem in Big B defending his film or posting articles on his blog which are in favor for his films. However, as soon as IBOS crops up NO CREDIBILITY remains.
I once visited the site and my word it’s a mess. BOI may get many things wrong but IBOS are like 10 times worse and that’s being fair. There nos and commentary is truly baffling.
Forget about putting wrong BO numbers…Some of the articles in IBOS in recent past have been utter craps…Their articles prove one thing that they are against a particular community…
I find it strange that such a site is preferred here more than BOI because this site throws random high numbers for Bachhan movies which pleases Bachhan fans…
If you want we can have some more fun i can provide u more articles like this…IBOS is full of raas leela…Don’t even compare BOI with IBOS…tell me one trade guy in this blog who will say IBOS is better than BOI…
Satyam—how was the movie?
Also, hope someone gives bachchan the good sense of using satyams feedback more often and BEFOREhand…lol
gud 2 see dimps is alive…lol
will say more in a piece but found it very enjoyable. Time just flies on this. It is pure escapist entertainment but bachchan is simply magnetic here. Will say that Poori explicitly intends this to be a tribute and there’s that whole sense here. It’s essentially a ‘comedy’ but I found it strangely bitter-sweet at points. Will say that the film depends on the audience being quite familiar with Bachchan’s iconic moments. The film isn’t about recreating Bachchan in any straight way but simply offering hints of a history. Some of the critics felt this was a fanboy’s film. It certainly is but in a more intelligent way than that characterization suggests. To put it another way I don’t think Poori would disagree with much that I’ve said on this subject! The difference between Poori’s take and say RGV’s in Sarkar is a profound one. Not just because one is more serious than the other. It’s about one director trying to sincerely recreate the gesturality while the other does it simply as a way of pointing to an older history. Then there is the third Khakee mode which too is sincere in a different way. But again will expand on all of this in a piece. It’s obviously just meant to be an entertainer. But Bachchan is in commanding form here and with a directness that I did not see from him even in BnB.
By the way I think editing the Raveena song was the right decision. It would have seemed forced in the narrative. In one sense a bit regrettable because it’s rather catchy otherwise but I think Puri made the right decision. Do think the Go Meera pop video should have been used in the end credits. Perhaps this will be added later. I don’t know.
Your old nemesis beld. Although we enjoy a very healthy hate hate relationship …..have to give you my feedback. Absolutely enjoyed a bachchan movie after ages. I think you shouldnt analyze this movie at all. It is all bachchan….and some more.
Go and enjoy this one guys…..amitabh at his best. And I must agree…with this movie…he showed who the baap of them all is.
Ta ta…and how is my good friend Rajen doing? Still occupying himself with potshots….I presume.
Thanks BELD for your feedback and much appreciated considering there is some history between you and satyam .. and this once again proves that when it come to movies, nothing comes against, even personal problems. Thank You Very Much ..
@Alex: I am under the weather and I am tired of wordpress as well (comments not going where they need to go…works at times and doesn’t work at others…I tend to give up); Satyam is again going to act nonchalant (sp?) and be kool (I would be jumping up and down). Yhea. Bigb prolly does..we may not know it, u Know.
How are your hindi lessons coming along, Alex? Which part of India are you from (north/south)? Just curious.
Akshay Kumar’s Housefull 2 to release with Salman Khan’s Ek Tha Tiger
BUSINESSOFCINEMA.COM TEAM 02 July , 2011
MUMBAI: Sajid Nadiadwala’s Housefull 2 starring Akshay Kumar is all set to release on 1 June, 2012 along with Yash Raj Films’ Salman Khan – Katrina Kaif starrer Ek Tha Tiger.
Directed by Sajid Khan, Housefull 2 also stars John Abraham, Riteish Deshmukh, Shreyas Talpade, Asin, Zarine Khan, Jacqueline Fernandez, Shazahn Padamsee, Rishi Kapoor, Randhir Kapoor and Mithun Chakraborty.
The movie is slated to release post IPL 2012.
Nadiadwala said, “We are very happy to announce that Housefull 2 will release on 1 June next year. Nadiadwala Grandson Entertainment has had a longstanding equation with cricket, which has always proved lucky for us and we hope the next year is no exception.”
Eid next year falls on Aug 20th or 21st. Now KICK or SHER KHAN one of the two will defo come on Eid. This is a slot Salman has now made his own. Now if ETT comes on June the 1st and does well that means whichever film above has been selected for Eid will only have max 5-6 weeks. Not enough time imo.
However, the same seems to be happening for Bodyguard so I don’t know what they are planning. HF2 should take a big opening coz the first one opened but ETT is a REAL biggie and my most awaited Salman film as of now.
Plus Salman is close firends with Sajid Nadiadwala and considering there working in KICK this clash also casts doubts in my mind.
However in the recent past whenever a film of Salman has set a date they have stuck to it so I do expect ETT to come on June the 1st. HF2 many months back confirmed this date so I also don’t expect them to budge.
What I meant above ^^ when I said Salman films don’t move is that Dabangg booked 10th Sep and so many films did also but moved. The same happened with Ready also so I do expect ETT to stick with this date. However, long time to go and before that many big films yet to come.
Plus HF2 has completed around 30% whereas ETT is starting at the end of July. They already have all the dates of Salman and locations set. Much of the film will be shot from end July to Oct 18th (that’s when KICK starts). ETT is priced well HF2 has a problem if it clashes coz it’s a far more expensive film. Salman price from what i know will be taken from the profits.
if anybody wants “proof” on TARAN ADARSH’s “big lie”.. on the Australian screen counts of both DB & BHTB.. can check it out on these websites (hoyts.com.au) for DB and (readingcinema.com.au) for BHTB…where it clearly shows that DB has more than 10 screens($28,051) and BHTB has hardly 3 screens($5945)in the “whole of Australia”…which is good compared to DB in Australia !!
hmmm.. sunil… it wont flop.. it will become Hit..that’s definite but wont make money to become superhit as it does not have repeat value but yeah youth will lap on to it and it will surely be a Hit…
btw.. loved poori jaganathhan acting..she is not conventional herione type material ..she has talent!!!! hope she does not go Sahana goswani path and lost in crowded bollywood!!!
ok here it is. Neither boi nor taran have reported any figures for sat and sun. Looks like they have conveniently
ignored them.When people in nG report so many things against big b i feel they are childish and i am sure these useless
NRIS are trying to find their true identity. Me i am a NRI myself.
Had to been Fri 11:00 PM show at a LA suburb. For an 11:00 PM show we had 50% audience which is definitely not bad..Big B is in full form..I hoped to see a Masala movie of 80s style and this was what I got it and thoroughly enjoyed..Audience was clapping for Big B’s dialogues and seem to enjoy the fare..But few negative points for me were Amitjis make up, not having full version of Haal-a-dil song and of course the release strategy..Amitji dressing did not go well..I wish they had presented him KBC style and looks like Amitji had a very bad hair style in most parts of the movie..Mr Deepak Swanat ( his makeup man) should do a better job,,it was just so bad..And the timings in this multiplex for BHTB was so bad and felt sorry for the release..DB was getting the prime time slots and screens..Not sure what the deal was..
But for me:
Somewhere in the middle of the Haale-a-Dil song, there is shot where Amitji in full whites, with blue dark sun glass and matching scarf runs in the beach..the iconic Big B running style..this shot was just for about 20 -30 seconds…And to me was the worth the price of Ticket..Rest of the movie was free..:)..Thanks RGV and Puri for making Amitji the way I saw growing up. I always want to see him this way too (No matter how it does in BO..)
Yes..Beld..I agree..just love this song..Surprisingly, yet I don’t see this catching up yet with many folks and not climbing the music charts feels sad..This song deserves a LOT !!
No its not sayin DB ha improved….
It is sayin it is good in Mysore and other metros..
But has not picked up on saturday at the centres it performed poor…
Weekend to b less then 20 crores… for DB…. as per BOI
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap showed improvement on Saturday as it grossed around 2 crore nett taking its two day total to near 3.25 crore nett.
Multiplexes showed good improvement at most places but problem is the start base to low and the film will have to show huge jump on Sunday and even then it will not be even a decent weekend.
The film hopes are dependent on the weekdays and if it can do good on the weekdays then maybe at the end of the first week it could have half decent collections for week one.
This is bull. They’re still taking that 1.25 crore Fri number. Taran has it at close to 2 crores now. Since they’re also admitting Sat showed improvement it has to be at least double that 2 crore number. Suspect Sun will be significantly bigger. The weekend should be 10-12 crores on this.
If you have been following Taran (and I suspect you haven’t) he always quotes numbers provided by the movie makers initially, but comes back to BOI numbers (taken from the exhibitors) in 2 weeks. This is for all movies
The trade knows more than the producers of the movie? When Bachchan has himself tweeted that the total cost is 17 Crores, including P&A, then what’s the bloody confusion?!
3/4th is already recovered. This means only 10 crores nett will see the film recover completely and then some!
Let me give you some inside information. 50% of the Satellite rights go to Amitabh as remuneration. Also the 14.5 cr is dependent on movie performance. If the movie underperforms, it can come to 8 cr.
I have “inside” information that you are a troll. Comes from inside my mind.
Jokes aside, let’s come out with the agenda. What’s the point you wish to prove? And if you claim to be on the inside, then who are you? Put at least some facts on the table for a change.
Delhi Belly came in little lower than estimated on Friday as final Mumbai circuit total was lower. On Saturday, Mumbai, Delhi/UP and Mysore circuit has jumped giving the film big growth while other circuts have not grown as much. The two day total is 13 crore nett apprx. The break down is below with friday numbers in brackets
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@SrBachchan Sir, showing upward trend everywhere. I am expecting it to remain steady on weekdays too, since the word of mouth is v positive.
Now this is where BOI played the game .. first they projected equal screen space for both Bbuddah and DB .. so that later no one can come with excuse of different capacity. But any blind can see looking at BMS that how much lesser ar screen space of Bbuddah compare to DB …
and if any IDIOT think that apart from BMS, there are other screens also exists .. then first he should learn that ratio of distribution between DB and BBHTB will be same for all sites .. if it is very less at BMS . . it will be same for other dealers ..
Also .. BHTB has more SS then multiplexes .. in that case capacity in terms of money will be much lesser for BHTB ..
Arrree.. even Bheja Fry had better screens than Bbuddah . .
very dissapointed that BHTB didnt get a screen in Perth here in Western Australia..would have gone atleast 500kms to see it but cant go……3438 kms as the next closest screen showing BHTB is in Melbourne:-( and the sad part is that its there only in 2 theaters in sydney and 1 in melbourne…cant understand why viacom 18 & AB corp did this foolishness as by next week most of the people here will have its Pirated DVD’s.
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‘Bbuddah HTB’ would’ve collected double/triple of what it has, had it averted clash with other films. Would’ve got more screens also.
the fact that BIG B takes so much pain to quote taran et all….shows how insecure he feels….needlessly….has aamir tried to quote-unquote someone….it is just 1 day after the release….take it easy BIG B….u are never going to loose ur fans with a flop or hit now…..why loose the respect they have for u? DB is going to collect at least 3 times more than BTHB….no matter what Big B does or reacts to
i’ve read that db has 1600 screens compared to bbuddah’s 1000. DB also has the bigger theatres and more screenings…. so how can one even compare the two?
“Satyam…how are you allowing rajen1 to talk like this to another member? I am surprised.”—lol thecooldude—
seems Rajen1/2 is getting “rounded up” by various different folks again lol
btw seems satyam will have to ‘bail him out ” again lol
hahaha
I am truly disgusted by the BO reporting.
There is no way to reconcile people’s experiences with the reported numbers. The cinema hall I watched it in was about 60% for the 9,45 pm show.
equally there is no reporting in the media for all the shows in all the places where the film seems to be doing hugely well. Based on all the anecdotal evidence.
Do think this will have legs and will yet surprise folks.
Picture is worth a thousand words and seeing is believing. Don’t say a word and just show the images will be very effective in this Twitter & blog era.
yeah apparently there are similar scenes in Hyderabad and Calcutta and so on. Qalandar just told me he saw DB in Bombay, it was 80% full but he couldn’t get BBuddah as it was sold out. Doesn’t mean there’s a direct comparison between the two films (earlier he couldn’t get DB tickets either) but there have been very many reports of house full shows and very many of strong attendance.
don’t think he took a picture. But I’m trying to see if I can get other images from elsewhere. again it’s not just about the collections. There is clearly pandemonium at many theaters. The trade never refers to this. So even when they talk about a pickup the magnitude at many centers is not represented whereas with other stars they would get into all the details.
On DB this looks to be having a weekend in the vicinity of 25 crores and then probably a 32-35 crore week if it retains its pace. Taran is now saying this:
“‘Delhi Belly’ business is clearly divided. Metros/multplexes have been wonderful, but traditional markets [heartland] not as good.”
but this was in fact always the only market for DB! Nonetheless this is a distinction the rest of the trade hasn’t been making. So it’s just not fair and neutral reporting either way. I always thought DB could easily do 30 crores in week 1 and looks it will do this even at the low end.
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Bbuddah : shows increased from 2 to 4 today in Nellore. Running with All Fulls
Bbuddah released in 25+ screens in Hyd n around 50 in AP, but Bolly Pundits are quoting 7Lakhs Day 1 Nett.
Most Importantly Bbuddah had all Full Day 1 in all Main theatres of Hyd,Vja & Vizag. Hyd alone should fetch around 20L nett.
Btw, from today 1 more theatre was added for Bbuddah in Vizag!!, it is clear that Bolly Trade is quoting completely baseless numbers .
“would have gone atleast 500kms to see it but cant go……3438 kms as the next closest screen showing BHTB is in Melbourne”—Changez Khan–fully appreciate and identify with your sentiment—although I admit that I wont travel 500km for any movie…lol
Bg Big mistake by abcl/viacom—both release date n number of centres.
And to top it, using this to explain the low numbers. Y not think positive—they would have been sitting on atleast double the numbers with a different release date…
reporting in terms of occupancy and numbers where again wrong and so do theatrical count but ya its nice to bachchan worked up again
its not late 70′s to early 90′s where he banned media for 13 years and they in print , trade tried to label every hit of his as inconsequential but ya it was his stature which kept on undoing it
this is different era and just how being vocal and has exposed many things … bachchan should have started it a decade ago
blog and social networking sites have only helped his reach
on to delhi belly thats what felt the slang and curse will have limited audiences and it was never there for hindi heartland anyway .. it was more for 18-30 age group
and its amore amusing to see 69 year old bachchan telling kitna bada c*****a hai tu in buddha’s trailor when he is supposed to be the example as senior statesman
this so called uber lingo is making mockery of things
not sure if bachchan fans were expecting a huge opening but this opening for the film is expected for me. there wasnt enough buzz before the film released. i think it will do around 25cr overall and will be a clean hit. DB on the other hand has disappointing numbers. there was a lot more buzz for the film, the songs are a rage. i was expecting bigger numbers as per the ’30cr’ first week early estimate. i think overall both films have had underwhelming openings. both films will make money because they were smart with investing it although DB will barely become a clean hit at this point if it continues this trend.
Both films seem to have underperformed. But both have redeeming factors it seems. I think with Delhi Belly it is very much a case of it peaking a bit too early. The sheer number of song promos and some hitting and some missing hurt the film a bit. In the week before release, BHTB generated some buzz over it. But saying that, DB was always going to take a good opening, the question was whether it would good or extra-ordinary. I expected the latter but overall its a good one. 30 crore first week still seems on the cards and considering only Imran Khan is a recognisable star (addition to AKP and its brand value), a very anti-family friendly script, 80%+ english dialogue, its still done very good business so far – no film of this kind would have done as much so its still a feather in AKP cap.
For BHTB I think the choice to open with a “hot” or “buzz” film was in hindsight a bad call. Time will tell whether the business lost can be recovered but maybe releasing against Murder 2 was a better option. Because the reviews have been positive so its not like the films a poor one. Whats hurt the film is competition and maybe losing vital important slots at theatres which otherwise it would have got. A bad business decision in my view. And I think the 4 little promos should have come earlier and the marketing blitz should have revolved around that.
good stuff jay. agree on most of what you’ve said. i am little harsher on DB. i think AKP has been taking a hit lately but i guess because i am spoiled with higher expectations.
BHTB numbers are bad(10-12 weekend for a ‘masala’ movie) anyway you look at them but it will be a hit end of the day because of how cheap it was made(similar to DG).
I think AKP with Peepli Live, Dhobi Ghat & Delhi Belly hasn’t hit one out the park like Lagaan or TZP or JTYJN. But I don’t think any producer or actor could have taken these 3 films as far as AKP’s brand has. They were all pretty experimental except I think DB is an unusually expensive film – don’t know why because after seeing it I don’t know how and why it needed to be expensive. But hey if you work out how much these 6 films cost its probably Lagaan (30 crore), TZP (10 crore), JTYJN (15 crore), PL (10 crore), Dhobi Ghat (5 crore), Delhi Belly (25 crore) so like around 95-100 crore, whatever they are sold at (I don’t know) they will make about 230 crore + from India alone even without getting into the whole business of overseas revenue, music and satelite.
He is getting his economics right. And he only starred in 3 of them, Imran in two (and he is hardly a top star) – no recognised female leads etc. So none of these big casts or massive productions. It’s the most successful production house now surely and making films at a reasonable price and good marketing. Many could learn. But it all helps that Aamir Khan’s brand value is high.
Agree with Jayshah, that without aamir Khans Tag —Even if DB was double the film it is, the prospects wiould have been less than one-tenth.
Lots of interesting stuff coming out of bollywood with low bidget–good concep vibe–not all have backings like DB….
Wanna check out Shaitaan–due to the KasHyap involvement…One of the song looks interesting–Worth checking out–like the sound here–n joy
“I think AKP with Peepli Live, Dhobi Ghat & Delhi Belly hasn’t hit one out the park like Lagaan or TZP or JTYJN. But I don’t think any producer or actor could have taken these 3 films as far as AKP’s brand has. ”
completely agree here…But as Aamir said in an interview that some times he might fail also…He can not make a Lagaan every time..but what I admire about Aamir is that he is trying different genres rather than sticking to a particular genre which is successful at a particular time like Ghajinti, wanted, Dabaang, Buddha, Singham etc…As a producer also he is very reasonable…
I’d be kinder on the three films you’ve mentioned though. You can’t really hit one out of the park with DG. It’s just not possible. Without Aamir this would have made Rs 2! And even Peepli’s is I think a very impressive number relative to the film. What happens is because of Aamir’s name people show up for these films but they’re not otherwise patronizing such cinema. I tend to find both PL and DG quite remarkable on the gross. Yes with DG one could say that after the initial weekend it hardly did anything but this is a true blue art-house film as well. Getting on to DB again I don’t see a problem here. Assuming this film does at least 45 crores (frankly I think even 40 crores is fine) I would consider this a very solid hit. The trade has exaggerated things and therefore Sat doesn’t seem to represent a pickup. But I think this film was always going to appeal to a certain segment of the audience. The growth potential here doesn’t really exist without attracting the family audience which I never thought would show up on this one. I always felt 30 crores in week 1 would be a fantastic number for it, I was dubious about 40 because it would have to be a sensational success within its target demographic to get there. The film is doing hugely well at its target multiplexes. Not all. So really I don’t see so far anything wrong here so far. For another film the almost zero pickup on Sat would mean something. For example DMD should have picked up a lot more between Sat and Sun given that the family audience wasn’t totally opposed here or anything. Here Abhishek’s current standing definitely impacted the initial. Even assuming the very same trending the film could have easily done 45-50 crores if he had been in a successful phase. But that’s not the case with DB. There’s no growth potential here with other segments of the audience. Now it is true that TZP or JTYJN were at a different level (though DB could conceivably get to the latter.. less likely but possible.. would still be less accounting for inflation but then JTYJN must have attracted some measure of the family audience.. DB’s 45 crores might mean as much as JTYJN’s 55 or whatever) but TZP remember had important tax breaks relatively early. Leaving this aside no one was opposed to the film. Families came in a big way, because of Aamir’s prestige many in the youth segment did as well. It’s very hard to do that with edgier stuff like DB.
So I should rephrase what I said earlier. Guess I don’t agree on all counts!
Some good news from here in South Africa,earlier BHTB was showing in a smaller theatre to DB which was in the biggest(the supernova) but apparently yesterday they changed the two and moved BHTB into the supernova since it was doing much better here on Friday than DB!Fatima said it’s running to packed houses here in Durban! Can’t say I’m surprised since a film genre like DB is not that appealing to the South African audience as they tend to like the more masala type and family oriented movies! Was actually surprised that they they were showing DB in the bigger cinema in the first place,but glad they’ve rectified their mistake! Anyway just goes to show how Mr Bachchan still rocks here!!! He has always been the most popular actor here in South Africa anyway!
i see–so there is a lot of bollywood family/ traditional audience in SA?–not surprisingly then, Buddha should do well!
Not common to see films being moved midweek…lol—seems buddha has spanked DB to force that!
“Fatima said it’s running to packed houses here in Durban! “–Who is Fatima?
Alex,the Fatima I was referring 2 is the one that ABsir mentions on his blog as Fats, he mentioned her name today actually!
Yes SA has a large Indian population infact last year we celebrated 100 years since the first Indian settlers arrived in SA! Durban is like a mini- India here!
Just watch the 1991 visit of Mr B’s to SA on youtube or the Now or Never concert and you will see how crazy we are about Bollywood and Mr B in particular here!
FF-U seem to be a real big b fan who has seen him thru his early 70s peak (unlike me). Is he still so popular there amongst the new generation there!
Who are the other top3 (male &female) amongst the younger generation ?
Lol,Alex I’m only 19 so I definitely havn’t witnessed AB at his peak!But I guess me being this age and being such a huge AB. Fan answers your question about the younger generation here,yes he is still popular here! Whatever I have heard about AB’s younger days is from my parents and the older generation all of whom are BigB fans! And I’ve seen videos on youtube of his 1991 visit and man that is something else,craziness!Went for his Now or never concert in 2002 was like 11 then but that was awesome! Actually even at functions like wedding’s and stuff if u want people to dance just play a BigB song lol! So yeah I think he will always be an actor who has had the most popularity here!
If you ask about today’s actor’s then it varies fom Salman,Hrithik,SRK but basically it’s not one particular star, more the type of movie
Fimilfan– that was a nice update and proves y big b is still the best!! And that u have a good taste lol
If u r this age, hope u indulge in the numerous outdoor sports and even those like airballoonijg, snorkelling and the nightlife–lol
Btw suspect that these n others like bungee jumping are overall much cheaper than in say Australia or NZ–&the nightlife is brilliant?
Having followed the entire anecdotal trail on this, also using my own judgment in this matter, looking at some of the trade numbers and allowing for their anti-Bachchan games I am fairly confident that Bbuddah on Fri was at least 2.5 crores if not more. Sat was easily double this. And Sun should be higher. I think we are looking at a 12-15 crore weekend for BBuddah. By the way this is hardly huge. The Fri number is still low. But what the trade is saying is just bull. This film is enjoying some very strong trending. I’ve heard about too many shows from too many places. The idea that it’s not even doing 5 crores or so on Sat is just idiocy are either anti-Bachchan partisans or don’t know what they’re talking about. So it’s not as if anyone is saying this is doing 10 crores after a pickup. 12-15 crores is still hardly a huge weekend but it is great for a film budgeted this way and also given some of the competition. But as for those who like BOI say it did 1.25 crores on Fri, or a bit higher on Sat, those who want to believe BBuddah is doing like Game are free to do so. Again I will repeat what I said — either people are partisans or they’re completely ignorant when they believe these ludicrous claims.
But this always happens with the Bachchans anyway. When DMD released some multiplexes were doing very well. The trade pretended otherwise until much later when Taran sort of admitted certain things. Getting back to BBuddah I believe it is definitely going to do 30 crores. To predict more one will have to look at retention over the weekdays and of course the second weekend. But even at 30 crores this will be a great result for this film (given it’s very low budget) and with a relatively strong second week 40 crores is a done deal.
On DB the trade has presented a different sort of excess. The film is behaving fine. Given the subject and the treatment and some of controversies it was always going to be strongest in the multiplexes of major metros with some performing well elsewhere too. I think this is pretty much the DMD paradigm with the difference being that the trade gave a very different narrative to DMD. Now I certainly expect DB to hold up more strongly than the latter. But as far as the weekend goes there is good reason to believe that the film didn’t do more than 5-6 crores on Fri, picked up a bit on Sat but not very significantly. Here the interesting thing is that taran’s own ‘narratives’ on both films mirror everything I’m saying here except that he just starts off with a much higher base for DB and a much lower one for BBuddah. I think DB is not showing the kind of growth over the weekend that one would normally expect precisely because it’s probably scaring off the family audience. I see a plausible scenario here for a 18-20 crore weekend but even accepting Taran’s figures, which are the highest possible here, you still have no more than a 23 crore weekend or so. Again this is not too far from DMD’s number/range for the low end. But notice how differently the two films were reported. Taran now says DB is best in Bombay, Delhi, Bangalore multiplexes. Some similar thing was said for DMD too but again the numbers were reported differently and colored differently. With DMD too I had said that the reaction was very strong among younger audiences and the trade narrative made no sense. EVentually they changed their tune to a degree. Still I expect DB to hold up much better than DMD. And again I don’t think it’s right to say DB hasn’t performed as strongly as expected. The trade just got carried away here by pretending this was some sort of massive universal opening. That too is bull. The film is extremely stable so far in the multiplexes where it has received the best patronage. Again assuming this film holds up well I would say it’s probably good for 45 crores or so, perhaps 40 if it fizzles out more quickly but higher than 45 if it has a strong second weekend.
I can certainly see a plausible scenario where Bbuddah and DB don’t end up too far apart. But yes I would bet more on DB getting to 45 crores than BBuddah getting there. I do sense a stronger wave with the latter but it remains to be seen how much of this translates into a strong audience at an increasing number of multiplexes. Don’t believe a success is in doubt here by any stretch of the imagination. The magnitude however is something I am unsure about. But I do believe this can get to 40 crores. Again the retention during the weekdays should tell us more about each film. DB is definitely ahead on the overall gross. But I think the big difference comes out most on Fri. Even Don’t think they’re that far apart on the weekend and might not be so on Sun at all. Will have to check more on this.
Again I repeat here that the narrative I’m pointing toward for both films is being confirmed by the trade except that they just award one film the highest possible numbers and another the lowest possible ones.
Let’s put it this way.. at no point in time has DB been 4 times the gross of BBuddah on an all India basis. Just talking about one center or another doesn’t mean much. I have already made my views known on how laughable I find notions like the ‘Indore barometer’ in this day and age. But in case DB was at least double that of BBudah on Fri, perhaps even more than this. But not since. And even on Fri it wasn’t even close to 4 times. So again I don’t force anyone to believe what I’m saying. But I consider such claims bull!
And what about Taran’s numbers that he received from Viacom (which of course will definitely be higher than actuals)? Amitabh also tweeted those same numbers in case you don’t know calling Taran an esteemed Trade Analyst. Probably Amitabh also wants to under-report collections? LMFAO at your theory!!!
But you can’t pick and choose what Bachchan agrees with can you?! Why don’t you also agree when he says it’s a hit? Why don’t you accept his budget claims too? The last time I check AB Corp were also producers. And just because Taran says he got something from Viacom doesn’t mean I have to accept it!
Think Bachchan is being a bit sarcastic there by the way. Because elsewhere he was criticizing the 2-3 trade figures on his blog.
Anyway you already know where I stand.. and I’m not going to change my mind about this till someone can offer me a persuasive case on why I’m wrong! And let’s say folks like yourself have been trying for more than a decade!
Loved Jay’s work when he was doing the numbers every week. I’ve retained it in the sidebar as a model of how things should be done. But guess Taran didn’t like the idea of other people running his numbers and exposing his nonsense as well as that of others like Nahata. So he stopped providing them. Anyway this argument it useless at this point. I don’t think you have anything useful to add to the discussion. You might do better elsewhere where people are more hospitable to your kind of partisanship. If however there are others here who offer sincere debate I am certainly listening.
Incidentally even on DB I am making a better case than the trade, i.e. one that in some ways gives the film more credit than they do. If you call the film ready (in terms of gross) then you have a problem explaining some of the numbers on Sat. But if you go by the idea that it’s absolutely fine in its target multiplexes and cannot attract a greater audience because of the sort of film it is there’s no issue. But all of this is an argument for reasonable people. You are free to believe what you want but let’s not clutter things here with useless stuff or repetition of the same claims.
all over the place people are coming up with accounts of fantastic crowd reaction and strong attendance. Even in the US where the film received negligible advertising and a small screen count an afternoon show was 80% full today. I’ve received tons of accounts from many parts of India. We’ve seen images from Bhopal. Is one to believe that the film is nonetheless only performing like Game or slightly better? Gimme a break!
yawn. more bull from Satyam. If only BHTB made a rupee for every word you typed in your post above, it would have easily crossed to safety.
Instead of discussing BO numbers I think you should advise the Bachchans to make better movies than the crap Bbuddah. That will show up as the BO numbers you are claiming for BHTB
So much so for 40 cr. collections and no difference in DB and BHTB in the long run. Here is one figure for you Satyam. Buddha have grossed net 6-6.5 cr. in its weekend run.
Just came to give BOI numbers. Now you can continue your conspiracy theory.
see here. They’re quoting Taran’s numbers but further below:
“However, considering the budget and genre of the two films, both are doing well.
In fact, in some multiplexes “Bbuddah…” is giving neck to neck competition to “Delhi Belly”.
“The response has been good. All the shows of ‘Delhi Belly ‘and ‘Bbuddah..,’ are going houseful. Yesterday ‘Delhi Belly’ was 99 percent while Bbuddah was 98.5 percent,” said Rakesh Warikoo, general manager (operations) Spice Cinemas, who are running 18 shows of “Delhi Belly” and eight shows of ‘Bbuddah… Hoga Teraa Baap’.”
My head is spinning with all these controversies about who did better.
It seems more like a competition between the fans of the two.
Who are these people?
Seems like their main purpose is to dump the sh**t from DB here.
In all this satyam has kept a cool head answering everyone logically. (wish he’d show the same spirit when I have my opinion about Amir LOL!!)
@Alex adam
Could you tell me the name of the cinemas where BHTB is playing in London? I tried to get some information from the net but could only find one cinema in ILford.
Thanks
“@Alex adam-Could you tell me the name of the cinemas where BHTB is playing in London? I tried to get some information from the net but could only find one cinema in ILford.Thanks”
Oldgold–hmmm..Depends on where u are/ travelling from….if u can share that…
it is playing in many Cineworld cinema outlets in/ around London–check it out at the usual ones @ Cineworld–Wandsworth, Staples Corner, Feltham, Ilford, O2 Greenwich, Wood Green, Luton or even Vue- Croydon etc.–but Cross check b4hand!
Outside London, the options are limited —the buggers have released it only in Birmingham, Glasgow, cardiff, Nottingham, Edinburgh…
Hope that helps…..lol
Let us know bout your “exploits”—”the adventures of oldgold”–hahaha
Thank you Alex, but it doesn’t help. The list of cinemas is there to see on the net, but to check where BHTB is playing is what I wanted to avoid and take the easy way out by asking you. LOL!
The only thing that’s “laughable” is your attempt to undermine BHTB. Never to be seen otherwise, it’s hilarious how a bunch of people jump in to post at SS when a Bachchan film releases.
And as for BOI, they stand exposed on their agenda(s), since they came into being. Do everyone a favor and try to persuade people who have at least some chance of believing you.
LOL, true. But also love how Viacom’s word counts on the film much as every other producer is taken at face value but when the Bachchans are the producers suddenly they’re not acceptable on any claim!
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Hyd Bbuddah : 3more ( Vijeta, Sensation, Prema ) theatres added from today!. No.1 film @BO this week in Hyd n other A centres of AP.
zharkhand B.O. – 20 theaters added from……every theater has capacity of 20 people – mainly rikshawalas who can shell out Rs. 2 or 5 per ticket…….paan-bidi-gutkha allowed…..BHTB first week shd. take a bumper boost because of this
Idea, the stuff you’ve just posted is totally unacceptable.
“mainly rikshawalas who can shell out Rs. 2 or 5 per ticket…….paan-bidi-gutkha allowed”
Forget BHTB Vs DB, this just shows how big the snob mentality is in India. So rikshawallahs are not fit to go and watch movies? I mean it’s one thing to be blase about the politics and social maladies in India, but to openly mock people without “means” just takes the attitude to another (sick) level.
saket, as a matter of fact there are thousands of single screen theaters which are like this – and i didn’t write anything against that class – only that hardly matters for the B.O. wars….but looking at Big B’s desperateness to quote andhra B.O. (!!!!!) and likes….i thought this wud also help…..
Idea, it helps to learn a few things in life before one starts saying stuff. Hyderabad is an extremely important center for Hindi films. Andhra is particularly important for this film because Puri is the biggest commercial director of Telugu cinema and his Hindi venture probably attracts some people who otherwise wouldn’t watch Hindi films. Also single screens don’t matter very much except when they behave well en bloc. So single screens certainly mattered for Wanted. if you just took the multiplex numbers here you’d have very little! Single screens will matter for Singham. I expect the film to do very well in these and not much in multiplexes. So it all depends on what one is talking about. Much as DB is doing superbly in many multiplexes but not all. But it doesn’t matter. Because the gross is driven by some of the major metros anyway. Or at least it doesn’t matter for a film of this scale.
By the way Bachchan hasn’t quoted the Andhra box office. He just went to Hyderabad for a premiere show, got a huge reaction and talked about it.
Yeah, the figures from Jharkhand don’t carry too much weight. But you ALSO exposed a certain ‘mindset’ about places like Jharkhand, rikshawallahs, people who consume paan/beedi/gutkha etc. Basically people who buy their tickets for Rs 2 or 5!
I’m all for counting people, (including rickshawallas, paan bidi sellers etc) because that would give the real strenght of a film.
20 rickshapullers paying Rs2.- means Rs 40.-.
2 persons paying Rs100.- means Rs200.-
The fact remains that one film was seen by 20 people and the other by 2.
Personally I don’t care for the money involved, since I’m not going to get any, and crores of Rupees isn’t something I’ll ever see, so all this rejoicing over their earnings is so silly.
One should rejoice over how many people joined you in watching it.
But money.money, money is all that one hears and I’m getting quite sick.
Not only does it seem that there is no transparency here regarding BO, but the unfairness of ticket prices involved too.
People aren’t important, especially rickshawallas and the like.
yes this is a point many of us have long believed. There should be data on tickets sold. Because it is indeed true that without this metric the multiplexes dominate overwhelmingly. Unless a film is big is single/double screens it doesn’t get noticed. But then all of the latter are not the same either. There’s a great difference between a single screen in Bombay and one in Bihar. I am also in favor of publishing gross data much like in the west. This gives one the clearest picture. And then of course there should be a metric on tickets sold. In terms of the taxation structure many multiplexes play zero or very little on something like a 5-10 year period. Meanwhile single screens in Bihar pay 55% or something. Makes no sense. But what this means is that certain kinds of results are even more distorted. Wanted did better than its numbers suggest because most of its gross didn’t come from multiplexes. Dabanng too in one sense did better than the numbers. It didn’t do as spectacularly in some major multiplex centers as it did in smaller centers (multiplexes or otherwise). One could perhaps make a similar case for Ghajini. Obviously the films were huge everywhere but particularly so in certain kinds of centers. On the other hand 3I did best in those very major multiplexes. Again did well across the board. But even as we look at 100 crores or 150 or 200 the gross isn’t being generated by the very same centers. Earlier this wasn’t a problem because there wasn’t a multiplex factor and there wasn’t such a massive difference in ticket prices (for various reasons). Today it is hard to even compare most films unless they’re of the very same sort. So DB and JTYJN can be compared fairly. Ready and Dabang can be compared. And so on. It’s not just about big and small films and genres. But also about what’s driving the gross. What drives the gross on Ghajini is very different from what drives it on RDB. For example looking at pure big center multiplexes I’d say there probably hasn’t been a more stable performer than RDB over these past ten years all things considered. It wasn’t doing much elsewhere but at certain key centers it ran for the longest time (given today’s standards). Ghajini didn’t do as much comparably in those key centers in terms of trending and so on. BnB was big in major metros for about two weeks and then did a relatively quick fade but it was strong in smaller centers for a much longer time. Fanaa was very good everywhere but particularly strong in the North (of course it lost out on Gujarat). LRM did very well everywhere but the Bombay territory for this film was a different matter altogether. D2 was big in cities everywhere not as much otherwise, Krish was very good everywhere but super in very many small centers. These things are true in any age. But because of the pricing structure and the taxation structure for multiplexes and the fact that certain genres are privileged in the latter a very great magnitude of distortion is produced in unique.
Oldgold— that IS the cinemas where Buddha is showing , NOT a list of Uk cinemas–lol
Mentioned cross-checking since sometimes show timings and screens maybe changed after this week and even midweek!!
Depends where u r / travelling from!!
By the time im back from my hectic “escapades”, suspect Buddha will be gone…
Hope u manage to catch it from your mystery location though…lol
“Idea, it helps to learn a few things in life before one starts saying stuff”
Satyam, BIG B has openly praised you and IBOS for some kind of “research” work on the B.O. no. you have been doing….what is that research work? I always see you tearing apart most the of B.O. sites here….unless u r secretly doing some “research” work on B.O. nos. and only BIG B knows about it….
what kind of statement was that from a person who has supposedly “learnt a few things from life”??? And if you are not doing any research on B.O. – did you go back to Big B and clarified that he needs to check few things before he starts saying stuff? or because he is Big B and he has praised you – he is allowed to talk anything?????
Big B is really frustrated. Where is that bachchan whom i loved once? i don’t care whether his films become hit/flop – he is no more a superstar and he must maintain dignity.
I think the Idea(unique) that loved Bachchan once never existed! I will respond to your comment against my best judgment by just saying this: you or anyone else will not be able to dictate what I say on his blog (or anywhere else for that matter). All my comments there are referenced here. One can draw whatever conclusions one likes. Bachchan is generous in his praise. There is nothing more to it. If he were half as Machiavellian as people portray him has he would have done a lot else! For the record (not that facts matter much with some) he has constantly said he could not compete with DB. He shouldn’t have quoted IBOS but allow me to laugh a little when folks like yourself make it his greatest sin. I don’t think he meant to endorse the stuff IBOS was saying about DB. He was just referring to BBuddah. And I can’t blame him. I wouldn’t have advised him to do this. But everyone else starts mauling him and you expect him to completely ignore the one ‘kind’ report he sees. Look into yourself a little bit for a change. How much integrity do you have when it comes to Aamir? You expect a star to show more restraint about his own record than you do about a star that you just see on screen!
Idea – Amitabh may be wrong in citing IBOS but your comment is bordering childishness. You are not going to win any trophy by all these comments. I know you are pissed. If he had said the same things omiting DB , you would have been fine but since DB is in picture you are hyper active. What you or I say on blogs is not going to change the picture. I guess if people understand these things we would have less of these acrimonious debates/arguments!
your last two lines are absolutely correct and I guess I am one of the worst offenders in this sense. Glad we have you around to knock some sense into all of us from time to time.
There’s a big debate over whether the BHTB did 1.14 cr or 1.91 cr…. or something in between. But we seemed to have missed the larger point here.
Is that all (2cr) bachchan can get on day one? I have been following the comments on this forum, certainly made me think this is going to be huge. makes me wonder if ‘huge’ means <2cr for bachchans.
worst of all, bachchan posts something from a website I thought was for hardcore racists….
I expected a 25 cr weekend and 40-45 cr overall business from India. Thanks to some very good wom, this may eventually reach the 35-40cr mark…. but the opening was also very important in my opinion.
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap had a poor weekend of around 6-6.25 crore nett. The film picked up well on Saturday and Sunday but the the base level was too low.
The film will have to have very strong weekdays if it is to have a half decent first week.
The film did better at some single screens in Gujarat and Maharashtra but multiplex business was poor all over and the film collected very badly in the North with East Punjab being 45 lakhs approx and Delhi/UP collecting 1.35 crore nett.
The film has low costs so it may make money but theatrical business is very poor over its first weekend.
Dude, BOI is under reporting .. confirmed by taran Adarsh .. and how can you ignore Andhra Scam ?? If numbers reported are 1/4th for AP .. then there is no prize for guessing the BOI authenticity ..
Bbuddah has registered the big jump on Saturday, Sunday leading to about 17 crore weekend compared to about 19 crore for Delhi Belly. The difference was mostly in number of prints allocated not occupancies.
I said it would be 12-15 crores for Bbuddah. My sense was at least 2.5 crores on Fri, at least 5 crores on Sat and then higher on Sun. Here we have something even higher. In any case the 6-7 crore weekend number thrown around by the trade is preposterous. Not just wrong or underreported by plain and simple nonsense. And once again no one has to believe me. Just look at all the stuff people have been reporting from all over, also check out what some of the multiplex owners have been saying about both films on Sat, so on and so forth.
Did viacom release any movies earlier? How can they schedule their own releases in the same week (Transformers and bbuddha)?
Frankly, I don’t have sympathy for DB or BHTB. They are not originals. If you see old balachander/Kamal movie, DB is just the latest adoptation.
DHTB is the mix of many Telugu movies. The whole climax was well know for Telugu viewers. I appreciate Balki for Paa, even with high makeup, we neveer felt awkward.
Re:Hope this means we won’t be hearing from you again!
Fond hope. These scat fans have a habit of coming back like three dollar bills.
Am not sure what the weekend was. The whole ‘mess’ reminds us how unscientific and corrupt the so called tarde experts are. BOI is a propaganda site and unfortunately IBOS is not much better. Even the other so called neutrals are either imperfect or challenged by lack of accurate information.So while someone like Doga gas no dog in the fight, am not sure how reliable the sources are. Just take the example of Andhra/Nizam where there is a discrepancy of 40-50 lacs over a figure less than 1 crore.
All one can say is BOI has been shown again to be lying retards and have lost further face. BHTB could be anywhere between 7 to 12 crores and while Taran can be corrupt, BOI has an agenda.
IBOS is a maverick and sometimes gets ridiculed too much and we tend to discount it , even when it may be right.
On the whole BHTB did start slowish but has shown commendable improvement with each show which portends well
for the coming days.DB has pretty much done what it set out to do.May not be surprised if by next Fri the daily figures become similar for the two movies based on trending.
I’ve never invested too much in these things anyway. Not now. It’s always been the case. I’ve had many debates about this on NG. By the way those producer numbers are not as ‘clean’ as might appear to be the case. In other words the numbers are not tabulated as independently as one might think. Let’s say it’s often a co-production! The trade often has more of a hand in formulating this stuff than one might think. You know the reality is NO ONE in India knows what the numbers are, not the trade, not the producers, no one. Everyone has some basic stuff and they then calculate a final number. So when someone says a film did say 11.5 crores on a given day or over a weekend that number is fiction. Because that kind of exactitude cannot be arrived at unless all numbers are verifiably accounted for. As is the case in the US or the UK and so on. Which is why one must have minimally a 2-4 crore range for the numbers for most average productions. Because one cannot know more than this. Which I why I liked Jay’s model so much. You look at the numbers, construct a certain model but to add consistency to it you constantly compare new films with older ones. You account for scale and print count and so on. This is how you arrive at a range. When Jay did this the numbers were often quite different from the ones Taran had or the producer numbers or whatever. But one day he stopped providing them. To of course maintain that hegemonic account. It’s just a very corrupt practice in India. Even these trade figures aren’t as independent as they pretend to be. They talk, they compare notes. Beyond a point no one knows. They settle on certain numbers, they vary them, they disseminate them throughout the entire media network. So when we see tons of reports in the media and so on the original sources for these are basically one or two. So for example most of the media reports on BBuddah and DB have the Taran numbers. It’s just a big scam. And it didn’t begin today. It’s just that today with all the new media at their disposal these figures have a much greater voice and can spread out the word. Earlier too they were involved in their politics (for those old enough the Hum wars should trigger some memories) and it has always been so with respect to Bachchan. How do you think BOI arrive at their ratings of Bachchan films from the 70s and 80s. many of those films are underrated. So a blockbuster might be called just a hit or what have you. This is what the trade always did with Bachchan’s films. But the difference was that they would say things in their journals and no one would care. Today they have a bigger voice. But the dishonesty is the same. On NG i pointed out many examples where Nahata for example would call a SRK movie a hit without qualification, this for many SRK films, and then later in his journal the ratings would be much lower. Because no one cares about the journal. When Bachchan was at his peak these guys would pretend that Naseeb wasn’t a blokcbuster but just a hit because the selling price was too high and so on. In more recent decades they changed their standards completely. Suddenly percentages went out of the window, so on and so forth. All this distribution price stuff is more bull because first of all this too isn’t verified but also this is another way of playing politics. You can make hits out of flops and flops out of hits using such criteria. Have you ever seen this sort of thing being done in the West? You just get a gross and that’s it. Sometimes you will later see pieces that a film that made 250 m at the box office was nonetheless not very profitable because the production costs were 170 m and the star took a big percentage of the profits and so on. For example Forest Gump wasn’t very profitable for the studio because Zemeckis and Hanks pocketed 40m a piece from the film! Here many examples could be provided. So if anything the burden of doubt is usually placed on the side of the big film. In India it’s the opposite. Films with 10 crore budgets have to do 2-3 times that amount but films with 30-50 crore budgets just have to do 60. Trending goes out of the window. This is a basic metric in every box office system of the world. If it were that easy to recover the whole amount in week 1 why wouldn’t everyone be following this model? The trade keeps saying this stuff in India. This too is more bull. In the South they still follow the trending model. A film is still not counted as very successful unless it is stable for a certain period. So the rules are the same for South India and the US but somehow different from Bombay (and once upon a time this wasn’t so for Bombay either)?!
I could go on and on. It’s just a broken, corrupt system. What’s filled in the gap then is the fact that certain stars and business interests profit from the arrangement and certain ones don’t. So for example if you’re in politics you have a great opportunity to make a lot of money. All kinds of ways. Different ways of gaming the system. Again it’s not just the film media. The news media has its own problems. I’ve said this for the longest time. The Bombay media/trade structure has just become an arm of the film industry.A propaganda tool for various interests. People don’t realize the extent to which these structures are intertwined. It’s like DDLJ has been breaking records for years, ask Abzee about it. He’s willing to take anyone any day of the week for the film and show them how many people show up. That theater rental costs Yahsraj nothing. It’s just a scam. Breaking Sholay’s record or whatever. You have Taran calling Ready an all-India blokcbuster. There has been no all India blokcbuster in Hindi cinema since HAHK. yes none. Even Gadar wasn’t that kind of deal in the major cities. At the time if you looked at the numbers it was behind K3G in most places. But yes in the small centers of North India it was truly historic. A very huge grosser overall, specially accounting for tickets sold but not HAHK. Similarly DDLJ was huge but not so much so in the smaller centers. Now perhaps one can ‘relax’ one’s definition of an all India blockbuster but HAHK was a different deal altogether. Not because it was bigger but it was so across the board. Much as a Pokkiri or a Magadheera were big across the board in Telugu.
I could go on and on and on in this admittedly chaotic fashion. Most claims, most evaluations of films, most numbers from budgets to distribution prices, most reporting where the whol distribution structure is simplified crazily, most of this is just completely misleading and often false. The thing though is that SRK and Johar and some others saw this coming and jumped on this bandwagon. They have profited by these structures. A film like IHLS is called a hit in the media. It did nothing really! Scores of SRK films from Chalte Chalte to Devdas to what not were called hits indisrciminately in the media within a few days of release. CC had a very modest gross, Devdas had a huge budget. These things were never accounted for. They were at the helm of this wave, getting the right narratives and so on but some others have followed them since. But notice how you can tell who isn’t on board with these industry/trade/media networks? The ones who get the worst writeups or at least not fair ones. Throughout the 90s Aamir wasn’t given his due. Even through the past decade with all the success he had the trade made no big deal about his career. He wasn’t even called the top star, not even in the running. Even after his great 2006 they just treated it as a good year. What turned the tide around for him for Ghajini. So it takes a historic hit for the media to finally jump on board! Surely a high bar?! And yes Aamir has made himself much more available to the media than ever before but he also had 3I and so on. If the Bachchans start pelting out 100 crores hits eventually everyone will shut up. But why should they need such a high bar? So BnB was a big one but what was the trade saying? What was Nahata saying about RDB for the longest time? The one Bachchan film that got great coverage by the media/trade was Dostana. LOL! Guess why! And I said it at the time too. Didn’t not point this out just because Abhishek was part of it. The entire territory system of India is still run on terms corresponding to those of British India!
People don’t realize the extent of what goes on. and no one should be surprised. What goes on in India at every level of life? Why should the film industry be any different? You either have to start playing the game and you then suddenly see great writeups and positive stuff on the box office and so on or you have to produce 100 crore hits. These are the only two options. There is no third way.
Rajen the thing here is, and leaving aside all the sources, correlating all the anecdotal evidence we see out there, some of the reporting from Andhra, but also some of what the multiplexes have been saying and so on with the numbers. Now Taran has 1.91 crores for Fri. My claim is it was at least 2.5 crores. The latter number is still a very low start. Hardly huge. On Sat though I believe the film did at least double that number. But 5 crores too is actually not that big of a number. It still correlates with a big pickup because of a lower print count. By the way note the idiocy of the Taran claim. He says it’s 1.9 crores on Fri, the film then picked up everywhere but did 2.5 crores or so on Sat. That is NO pickup. The same goes for BOI or everyone else. They pretend the pickup doesn’t matter much because of a ‘low base’. No! It’s no pick up at all given that every film is better on Sat than on Fri unless it’s a disaster! So I have 7.5 crores on Fri and Sat. Assuming Sun to be exactly the same as Sun it would be 12.5 crores. But of course for a film doing well Sun is always better than Sat. So it’s very easy to arrive at a 12-15 crore range.
Now on DB too note that Taran himself had almost no jump on Sat. It’s more or less the same number as Fri accounting again for the fact that Sat is higher anyway. So you have roughly 7.5 on Fri. a crore more or so on Sat. That give you 15-16 crores in 2 days and then if Sun is a bit higher again you have 23-24 crores.
The IBOS claim after one cuts through all the editorial agenda seems to be that on Sat and Sun the films were about evenly matched but for the print count. But that on Fri DB was definitely ahead. As I said yesterday I’m not quite persuaded by the 7.5 crore number for DB on Fri, think it was somewhat lower. I’d personally say it probably wasn’t higher than 6 crores. Sat and Sun then showed jumps but not big ones like BBuddah because it never had a Fri problem to begin with. My sense here would be an 20-22 crore weekend. But I could see a plausible scenario for something lower. Could be a bit higher too, I’m not as bothered by a crore here or there. Not sure the difference between the two films over the weekend could be just 2 crores because even in the best case scenario for BBuddah there is a greater shortfall on this just on Fri. But I am willing to living with a 4 crore or so differential.
Either way the problem isn’t DB because no one’s under-reporting it. And as I said because the film has been misrepresented the jumps don’t seem too big. But there’s nothing wrong with this one. It’s doing hugely well in many multiplexes but not everywhere. On Bbuddah the thing is I’ve disagreed with many numbers in the past too. On DMD for example I thought the trade had low number but it still wasn’t this sort of differential. On BBuddah it’s just preposterous. As we’ve been seeing on a figure of 75 lakhs you have a huge discrepancy between the numbers being quoted on an Andhra box office site versus elswhere. So how much are for example the Bombay numbers off which run into crores. So on and so forth.
I deleted the last Maha comment. First off he/she is increasingly getting more abrasive which could still be tolerated if the same things weren’t being repeated again and again. as Saket said people who are never here suddenly go on a crusade with certain releases and so on clutters the entire forum. Now I don’t mind debates but also don’t want the space to be ‘exploited’ this way by those who have no investment in it otherwise.
I have been getting some other offensive comments as well. Had to delete those too.
On Bachchan’s blog I added some of these comments (editing out names as always) but I then added this following comment as well:
[Finally for anyone who might think I am saying all of this only because it’s Amitji’s film or whatever are wrong too. Because I have never argued about so many other films of his (or Abhishek’s) that either failed completely or didn’t do too well. But here’s my thing — just because something works or does not work doesn’t mean I’ll accept any number. When raavan released I said the trade was completely exaggerating the extent of the failure. Obviously the Hindi version of the film didn’t work but overall the numbers were not the disaster the trade was making it out to be either. Months later Nahata said in some context that Raavan was a flop but it didn’t lose much money. because they structured things very carefully across different versions and so on (won’t get into all the details here). There are tons of such examples.
So I disagree with numbers only when I sincerely believe this to be the case. Not because I want the film to ‘work’. When Guru released the producer number was 18 crores for week 1. I thought that was off by at least 3 crores. The producer number is nothing ‘holy’. Because no one has the precise data. It just doesn’t exist in India. So everyone estimates a number and works off it. No producer in India, no trade figure in India really knows how much a film makes. It is not like the US or the UK where every last ticket sold is accounted for. and this has always been true. With multiplexes a lot more of the gross can be verified. But that still leaves a lot unaccounted for specially for a film that does very well in single/double screens. By the way I am not even getting into how accurately many theater owners or distributors themselves report numbers for all sorts of reasons. That’s a whole different ballgame.
I’ll even go so far as to say — 90% of what one reads in the media about these things — grosses, distribution prices, screen counts et al — is the stuff of pure fiction. Or it is presented in a very misleading way. Just the distribution or sub-distribution deals on a film often involve a dizzying level of complexity. None of this is ever represented. It’s like believing all the gossip in the film media about various affairs and various film decisions (who signed up someone and why). Not that everything is inaccurate but it is often wholly untrue or very partially true.
By the way I don’t claim to know either. But there is some stuff one learns from experience, some stuff one actually knows about. Beyond this it’s remarkable how far one can go if one approaches things a bit critically. So again on those Taran numbers don’t follow my logic. But where’s the pickup if the Fri/Sat number is really the very same?! This is not what a pickup looks like! It’s again about using common sense at some points but also about recognizing certain structures elsewhere. And it’s not a unique approach. One can apply the same to other institutions in life as well. This doesn’t mean anything goes. Because one has to put in the hard work of learning about certain things. I didn’t know for a fact that Saddam Hussein didn’t have nuclear weapons. But I didn’t believe it. I don’t know for a fact that Modi ordered a pogrom in Gujarat. But I do know that the vast police apparatus of the state (not to mention the legal one and so on) doesn’t just come about spontaneously to ensure a certain outcome. But yes there is no document bearing Modi’s name which has such an order. Nor is there one with Hitler’s name. It’s something many Holocaust-deniers regularly assert. There are these murky areas of life. Sometimes it’s not easy to settle even after knowing everything whether something falls within the purview of a truth or a lie.
This stuff about the film media is small potatoes (as they say in the US). Nothing really. There are vastly greater scams perpetrated on things of vastly greater consequence. One just has to pick up the newspaper every other day in India. But somehow we naively believe that these trade figures are the voices of authority. here by the way I know for a fact how corrupt some of these guys are. Even Nahata admitted as much not so long ago except that he conveniently excluded himself.
But again I don’t have a problem calling a failure a failure. But if a film is a flop at 30 crores, don’t say it made just 20. Similarly if one is a hit at 40 crores don’t say it’s one at 30. It’s just about the rating. Everything should be accurately and honestly represented.
Here’s my challenge. if I am wrong Viacom or Amitji can prove this in a minute — the official claim from Viacom is 7.32 crores for the weekend. let’s see how this figure is arrived at. And I’m not interested in something that reads Bombay — 2.5 crores, Nizam 75 lakhs… and so on. That’s not how things are done in the West when every last ticket sold is accounted for. let’s see how they got those 2.5 crores for Bombay or those 75 lakhs (by the way some of the trade has a number for this that’s only a third). I could make up a list right now for my 12-15 crore estimate. What would that prove? Just because it’s a distributor doesn’t mean he or she is any more honest/accurate. We can’t just take these things at face value! Amitji has the Viacom numbers. He has no independent way of verifying them. No one does. Because these total figures are broken up when they come down the ‘food chain’ as it were. It’s not as if anyone ever sees the returns on the total figure to then make the obvious calculations. You get it piece-meal, you know what the profits are but the actual numbers are still not verified or verifiable. If I invest 10 crores in a film and see a return of let’s say 4 crores over the additional amount I spent. If my profit margin is 4 crores how do I know how much the film actually made at every one of its nodes or how the amounts got translated with the theater owners, the distributors and sub-distributors, so on and so forth? There are some facts that become apparent but not everything. The numbers are just not verifiable. They are so only partially. So Ready could be a 100 crore grosser or a 120 crore one. We know it’s huge. But there could still be a gap between the reporting and reality. The producer who gets the 4 crore profit is happy but he might be eligible for a 6 crore one! A lot of the gross just gets ‘lost’ in the system! There’s nothing very revolutionary about what I’m saying. In politics it happens all over the world.
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I should also say this about IBOS. I don’t agree with their numbers all the time and certainly not with most of the commentary. I have argued against them very many times in the past including even on their very site (can’t imagine I’d be given the same opportunity on BOI!). The point though is that BOI are always on message with respect to an anti-Bachchan agenda. Whether it’s BNB or Guru or Raavan or Bbuddah or whatever. Irrespective of the film they stay on message and pull down the Bachchans as much as they can. They now even have Shailesh Kapoor to do the hatchet job regularly. It is actually testament to just how overwhelming Bachchan’s box office track record is that they nonetheless have to keep him as the top star for a dozen years or more (this despite under-rating individual films).
IBOS on the other hand have for 2-3 years been attacking Abhishek on everything from his box office to physical appearance, Some of the stuff is not just brutal but below the belt. Just recently they too were making fun of the DMD opening here. Hard to see how one can be simply pro-Bachchan and put out stuff like this.
The right wing ideology is a different ballgame altogether. Here I have said candidly in the past. I have tussled with many people on blogs who have the very same ideology, who I consider friends, even though I violently disagree with them. It’s just that when the same right wing stuff is applied to stars even those who are otherwise in agreement cringe. Because we somehow always become ‘innocent’ when it is about public celebrities. But otherwise we launch into the very same arguments.
But in any case I’ve disagreed with very much in the past (and today) that appears on the site. It’s not just about IBOS. I’ve violently disagreed with bachchan on his site. Might sound like a quaint notion to many but much as I might be personally invested in Bachchan or Tendulkar or Obama or whoever I do not consider the facts to be hostage to this kind of emotion. As long as I sincerely believe something to be factual. It’s more than absurd to even have to argue with all kinds of partisans here given this track record I have in these matters! Everyone knows about all of this.
LOL BOI…they claimed that BHTB did very well on sat and sun now
the claim it had a poor weekend. This site is meant for ******* not
for normal people. I guess people in NG have a bipolar anti BIG B
syndrome.
So pathetic is NG their worshippers copy and paste this piece of
crap and claim that the movie has not done well…..As per
latest updates. weekend for BHTB is 8.25…….
“Multiplexes showed good improvement at most places but problem is the start base to low and the film will have to show huge jump on Sunday and even then it will not be even a decent weekend.”
I am reporting from Kuwait. Buddah is almost housefull today for the two evening shows here at four screens in two big malls. Only one or two bachelor seats available in the front row – that two in the middle. Most of the family seats are reserved en bloc. Haven’t witnessed such a situation in many years. Sarkar was an exception. Even then, it wasn’t this tight to find a seat. Mind you all, today is a working day, which means most would be working upto 8.00 pm as private companies work in moring and evening shifts with a long break in the middle for lunch and siesta. This is just fantastic for the great AB.
My teenaged son and his friend watched BHTB today. This is the first Bachchan film that he has watched and his reaction- ‘Mom -movies was actually good-better than Ready!’. I would say Sr AB- take a bow!
By the way , Aamir’s claims of DB running full house on Mon seems to be true as they didn’t get tickets for DB.
Well tomorrow anybody will come and say his movie grossed X amount contrary to every BO source and will put the same dialogue that “yeah the whole world was against a gentlemen who said contrary to every other person in his age that the earth wasn’t flat!”…..
Bachhans and Gentleman ….CRAP…I always knew they are corrupt…he acted like saint before the movie release and then posted the IBOS link….see what he has posted in his blog..
“This is relevant in light of claims of Delhi Belly (mostly in english) having had a bumper start in India, which is simply not the case, not even across the board of metros and multiplexes this time.
DB is good in select multiplexes and overseas pockets only. At 25-30% it has had a weak start in metros like Calcutta (10% in some cases), Jaipur, Pune, Surat and emerging Hindi metros like Kanpur and even Bombay is nowhere near as expected with Saturday collections clocking barely 25-30% bookings at multiplexes like Fame Adlabs still. Tickets are readily available most everywhere.”
This is what this gentleman does to another Gentleman’s i.e. Aamir Khan, film.
“Well tomorrow anybody will come and say his movie grossed X amount ”
people already do.. they are called Taran and Nahata and so on! Many of these are not ‘different’ sources anyway. They just play around with the numbers and produce different versions.
Just because someone is running something or is established somewhere doesn’t mean he or she is being truthful. Just because Bush was president and Cheney vice-president, just because his entire cabinet was saying something didn’t mean that they were saying the truth. Why don’t you apply your standard everywhere? Every Indian politician must be speaking the truth. Do they know or do we know?!
Wasn’t Barkha Dutt supposed to be one of the paragons of truthfulness? What happened?! It’s just that no one cares that much about box office figures. No one’s going to do an expose on this! Frankly even within the multiplex crowd in India no one’s that bothered about Nahata and Taran. People just form their own impressions based on what they see and what they here within their groups. All of this is just more exaggerated online. No one cares otherwise.
“Just because someone is running something or is established somewhere doesn’t mean he or she is being truthful. ”
The same thing I am saying about Bachhans..They have a production house, they have a film released against another film which has been doing far better than their film both critically and commercially…So they must be doing their stuff to mislead public…
You are saying BOI/Taran/Komal liars…This may be true…but what if they are not..this makes Bachhans liars…and this can be also true…You are running a blog here…you can also be paid person (from Bachhan PR group) like Burkha Dutt…Who knows…If you will ask Burkha she will give you thousand theories to prove her self like u do for ur claims in this blogs…
Have you ever thought all these trade guys might be saying true and those who are not believing them are making fool out of them selves…Infact when a movie of a particular star is not doing well..suddenly the fans start screaming all these trade sources are paid…
BTW I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINION ABOUT BIG B POSTING IBOS LINK IN HIS BLOG..DON”T U THINK THAT WAS CHEAP…
The problem though is that the Bachchans are not making any extravagant claims! I don’t think IBOS should have been quoted on the site and I said this on day 1. Also don’t think Abhishek should have gotten into a debate with Taran. But the only person who has a right to even ask this question or frame these objections is someone who is also honest on his own. You can’t just be huge partisan or a star or simply believe one trade source or another as the ‘truth’ and then raise questions. My solution? let’s raise questions about everything. But I don’t see this. So if your point was ‘I don’t believe the trade or BOI or IBOS and I don’t believe the Bachchans either’ I would respect it (even if some other questions would arise here). But that’s not your position.
Similarly Idea here is about as big a partisan as is imaginable about any star (mean this just descriptively here) and suddenly he’s pretending to have an honest agreement or disagreement about something. So he jokes about Jharkand below.
In some ways even the whole debate about Taran or Nahata or whoever is not real one that we should be having. This too obscures things. Because we all pick sides and blame one person or the other. Everyone might be dishonest to various degrees but what about ourselves? How honest are we? We keep demanding the truth and honesty and impartiality from others but we display neither in our own conduct. It’s not just about being a partisan of a certain star. We are completely dogmatic about so many of our views even otherwise. As that line in Inception goes ‘the most dangerous virus is an idea’! One has to keep questioning things. Everything. One can love a star as much as one likes, there’s no issue here. The issue comes about only when certain factual claims are advanced. But we have to be honest to the best of our intentions first. Otherwise ‘others’ always become easy punching bags. This doesn’t mean one cannot choose sides. One always as a matter of fact chooses sides. Neutrality is a childish myth. But one can be honest about the facts and one’s own biases. This honesty however doesn’t come about unless one is willing to question one’s own prejudices in the first place.
there’s also something called common sense. As long as one is honest enough to follow it. bachchan has never called a flop of his a hit as far as I’ve been following him. he doesn’t even celebrate average successes. The other day he said BBuddah was his first solo hit in twenty years. I was upset about this. I asked him how he had forgotten Black and Baghban and CK. Sure BBuddah could gross more than these but one should also account for the genre. Does this look like a guy who’s inflating his box office results?! Years ago Ghulam and Major Saab released on the same day. Ghulam did well in Bombay, was decent or better elsewhere. Major Saab was decent in most places but not as good anywhere as Ghulam was in Bombay. So Bachchan was asked about his film in an interview and he said he was glad his film was doing well. The interviewer then said ‘it wasn’t doing as well as Ghulam’. Bachchan didn’t contradict this but said ‘ that at least it had brought some positivity back’. For ages he’s been saying on the blog that he cannot compete with DB and so on. There’s mountains of evidence. So today when you suddenly come up and put him in the same category as Taran or whoever I find that to be a statement in completely bad faith if not outright dishonesty. This is the kind of thing I was talking about.
By the way on being a paid person I can only smile. For two reasons. First of all you say I might be paid like Nahata or Taran or whoever and/or a liar like them but you nonetheless choose to believe one set of paid persons/liars over another. Why? Secondly if you had just a little more experience about these things you would know what a paid person sounds like. I am far too crazy to be a paid person or to be ‘on message’ in any sense. LOL! I doubt even the Bachchans wanted a PR outfit that they’d want me to be part of it. Specially after some of the stuff I’ve said on his blog.
By the way the fans don’t say this stuff about every film. Don’t think I’ve said anything about tons of Abhishek or Bachchan films that haven’t worked. Again you’re just throwing out this stuff. It’s just bad faith. You’ve been visiting the blog for ages. You should be aware of what I do or do not say. LOL, I’m the ‘crazy’ who suggested Dostana was being called a hit right away because of Johar’s contacts!
1. First thing glad you agreed that Bachhans should not done the things they have done to fight for the Box office. But you never raised this issue before unlike u have been pin pointing BOI.
2. It is good thing to question. I completely agree. But one should not question with invalid reasoning. The kind of reasons some the guys here are showing are highly laughable.
Some one posts a pic of a long queue outside a theater and says BOI is a lie. lol are these guys even educated? This the way to question. Some of the guys say here i went xyz theater…it was 100% full…I took x number of friends with me…they all liked the film…then how BOI is saying it is not doing well…LOL…
Let me tell you a case. I was quite positive about DMD. I went a theater on the first day of it’s release.. which was 20% filled. And in the movie when Vidya Balan used to come..ppl used to laugh..some one commented KKHH hang over…And the friends who went to watch it with me did not quite like it…Then I come to this blog..I hear the opposite things..it makes me feel that I am in different world. I did not post much at that time. But when the BO report came i was laughing.
3. THE NEXT THING IS ANDHRA BOX OFFICE SITE. ARE U SURE OF IT’S AUTHENTICITY? SUDDENLY THIS HAS JUMPED INTO BIG BAD WORLD OF BOLLYWOOD BOX OFFICE. THIS SITE SAYS 17 CRORE FOR BHTB WEEKEND . DO U AGREE WITH THIS NUMBER? WHAT’S UR NUMBER? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. U SHOULD AGREE WITH 17 CRORE OTHERWISE U R IN A FIX.
On DMD even Taran said after the weekend that it was doing very well in multiplexes of the South and certain other places. So one theater doesn’t mean anything. On BBuddah I didn’t rely on one account but very many. Also the fact that Taran himself said it was picking up everywhere. His numbers then reveal no pickup. Anyway I’ve stated my views on all of this. won’t repeat stuff.
You’re also wring on the rest. Because I and some others here said the very first day he shouldn’t have quoted IBOS and so on.
“By the way on being a paid person I can only smile. For two reasons. First of all you say I might be paid like Nahata or Taran or whoever and/or a liar like them but you nonetheless choose to believe one set of paid persons/liars over another. Why?”
No I believe one side is telling a lie so the other side is saying truth. Over the years i have found BOI close to truth (they are not 100% correct..but they are the most up to date and closest to truth). I can not believe IBOS..u know the site better than me. Can not trust Taran as he is not accurate as BOI. Komal Nahata does not give detailed report for all the center also i have problem with his strict classifications which confuse me. I believe and like Doga’s reporting here. Some how seems logical. yakuza..hmmm don’t what happened to him…he shut down his box office shop it seems…now a days busy at NG. highly inconsistent he is. And i can not believe you as u r not a trade person. you throw some random numbers with “I think this” and “i think that” kind of statements…And AndhraBoxOffice…what is this?? i am yet to understand..
BTW what is AndhraBoxiffce…lol..when did it came into picture suddenly…is it specially designed to defend Bachhan movies or what? Most of the guys here are believing this site…does this site has any credibility unlike BOI/Taran/Komal??
A film’s gross cant be verified in India.I hope it gets verified like in the west.In that way we have no controversies.
Many Akshay’s films were underreported as well.Particularly the media called TMK as a flop which is a complete lie as it is a hit at 14 cr profit.
Definitely shahrukh khan is behind this.He bougfht the trade.media.
I also think that certain vested interests are also doing this.
Its an easy game.For an Akshay film or a Bachchan film increase the cost so much that no matter what the gross is it doesnt become a hit.It is above average at best.Ofcourse Akshay has some huge grossers which the trade had to call a hits.But with Abhishek it is easier.Because he has no huge grossers.
And then rewrite the verdcits of Amitabh bahcchan films of 1970s,80s and make him look lesser than Shahrukh khan.
Aamir also does this sort of things but at a lower level. quoting BOI?
Firstly the khans should not be big stars.The public should ensure this.Expet for salman who is a massy star.Only then we can have accountability in box office.
I don’t have a problem with DMD not being mentioned.. again you’re changing the subject.. you haven’t been following what I said on DMD.. ‘
the thing is I’ve been tussling with people like yourself for many years online. You know why you guys get trapped? Because you don’t read carefully. Or you don’t like some of the facts for partisanship reasons or otherwise.
“you haven’t been following what I said on DMD.. ”
This is true …I agree…i am not interested on what u said on the movie…My interest is in the BOX office here…Just want to opinion know whether DMD was a flop or hit. Don’t have any intention to argue here.
A clear cut answer will be highly appreciated here. FLOP/HIT according to u…
I won’t offer a clear cut answer because I don’t trust the nature of your question. I am not naive enough to believe it’s just about the facts. It’s also about the contexts within which the facts are embedded. The truth can be made to look like a lie. So don’t ask for my opinion on DMD without also asking for my opinion on films with other stars. I wasn’t born yesterday!
Let us for argument’s sake assume that the 7.32 Crore figure for the weekend is correct. Is it possible? Yes, it certainly is.
What does it mean? How does it correlate to some of the evidence that’s been produced by online posters here and elsewhere? That the film is bumper in Hyderabad and Bhopal but rubbish elsewhere? If the 77 Lakh figure for Andhra weekend is correct, then the film made only 6.5 crores from the rest of the country?
Perhaps it did. And in that case, it’s a poor figure. Even 12-15 Crores for the weekend isn’t great and every Bachchan fan will concede that. Amitabh Bachchan isn’t the same box office force anymore and that’s a fact. The other way of looking at things is to see that a 68 year old can *still* make a film like BHTB. And he gets universal praise for his effort. Not many people turned up for the film, but at least those who did, had good things to say about the film.
Now moving on, let’s look at the venom that’s spewed by BOI and their ilk. If Taran’s 1.91 Crore figure for Friday is correct, BOI reported 1 Crore. They had 2.5 crores for Friday & Saturday combined! If that’s not an agenda driven site then what is? And people quote their figures as if Jesus Christ provides the BOI people with actual figures. Who are the people behind the website? Does anyone bother to think where do they get their numbers from? How blatantly biased their commentary is and so on? In my view, anyone who quotes BOI as part of a BO argument here is a propagandist!
And finally, the manner in which some people pop up during these Box Office discussions, their timing and their intent only makes me feel happy to be part of SS. It only means that certain people feel “threatened” by the voice on this blog. Otherwise why would someone go through all the trouble to post negative stuff, day after day, on just another blog?
“If the 77 Lakh figure for Andhra weekend is correct, then the film made only 6.5 crores from the rest of the country?”
Where did u get this 77 Lakh for Andhra? from AndhraBoxoffice right. Then u don’t need to assume 7.32 crore for the weekned. Coz as per AndhraBoxoffice it’s 17 crore…whole mathematics will go wrong…
Where does it say on their website that the All India figures are 17 Crores? There’s a “tweet” which probably references the figures at IBOS, but there’s no official post on the all India figures. And how could they have All India nett figures when the site’s name is Andhra Box Office?
“Who is to say that this 77 lakh figure is wrong? They do seem to have figures for other local, Telugu films.”
So u believe this site..I am not convinced by the reason although coz BOI has also figures for hindi films but that does not make it trust worthy here…what ever i will leave this here as it is considering that U believe AndhraBoxOffice… good…
well said,Saket.
As Oldgold said these are barsati mendaks.
Let them croak to their heart’s content.
Who really gives a damn?
Let them wallow in their own piss,shit and vomit.
Satyam, you can remove comments, but you CANNOT hide the truth that BHTB has done only 6-7 cr.
Remember, you also claimed DMD will do 35 cr first week and turned out DMD did 31 cr lifetime. Till when are you going to run from the truth? It is better you accept it now, like a man
How is he running away from the truth? By explaining his position by giving proper examples? Is that what you call “running” away?
But then, no amount of explaining would stop you or your brethren from your campaign. The least I ask from you guys is to come out and speak the truth. Who are you? What’s on your agenda? Or to answer all questions at once, whose fan are you?
Who are you Maha??
Never seen you around here before?
Are you a barsaati mendak?
Your ‘croaks..err comments are beginning to get tiresome.
Can you just leave with your belief of whatever the BO is, and let people here believe what they want to?
One final word for those who are relishing BHTB’s box office performance: expecting Amitabh Bachchan @ age 68 to outperform a 20+ Imran Khan in an Aamir Khan production (the best production house in the country, IMO) is like expecting Roger Federer to win the Wimbledon crown at the age of 50! Or Bradman to score a century at the age of 60. You get the idea.
Martina Navratilova won a grand slam (Wimbledon) at the age of 47. But that was in the mixed doubles category! Bachchan in BHTB is still playing it solo. Time to think and reflect! For those who still question Bachchan’s worth, how much is your personal opinion worth? Bear in mind you are targetting a 4 time National Award winner, future Phalke Winner, legend whose career has spanned 42 glorious years (and still counting!). Cricket coaches can say that so and so can be the next Tendulkar, but no one who’s sane would ever say that here’s someone who could be the next Bachchan!
“Bachchan at 70″ is a phenomenon is a known fact.
He can still deliver is also not news (to those who know him).
Also not v interested in a few crores here n there…
Whats irksome is how the release screen number reminds one of bheja fry2-like strategy, even in india forget overseas… (not all–since in places like london-screen count is fine)
The positivity in wom means that release on ANY other clear week would have enhanced returns as well-maybe by twice!!
No point in pushing this under the carpet—its a pity since it has probably averted the possibility of a clear solo hit by a male star at 70—which would have been an edwin-moses-esque landmark.
People at viacom and even abhishrek need to be spanked…..No 2 ways bout it!!!
Friends in uk are complaining about the cinemas bbuddah released in. The popular cinemas don’t seem to be showing it and it’s been released in some real bad theatres…don’t know what viacom was up to!!!!
So here we are on a Monday and for all the hype and hoopla for the last 15/20 days, this movie barely manages to do a 6/7 cr for the entire weekend?? This is dismal for a mainstream masala potboiler so heavily promoted and pushed. A movie with a big star in this genre rakes double the amount that too in just a single day.
I would once again emphasize market for a bachchan movie is not there and last few releases have proven the paying public is not interested in offering any support if the product is weak with substandard props and these will only add to the long list of flop tally.
Instead of taking the audience for a ride, Bachchan has to ensure the project as whole is well made and produced and not by these attention seeking lecherous puri and rgv types who are just wandering in wilderness and clutching on to his name to stay afloat. There is sufficient talent in the industry for story telling and bachchan should use his influence to hire them if he wishes to continue doing movies.
Phew.. I gave up reading after a few arguments about numbers..
Satyam – how do you manage to tackle all these jokers without losing any of your patience? Its simply remarkable on your part.
My two cents – There will never be an Amitabh Bachchan, at least as far as box office in India goes.Whether Buddha ultimately works or not will not deter him in any way possible. Now if some people want to compare the box office status of his films of the last 10 years with those of current stars in an effort to prove that he isnt such a big superstar at all, its nothing but childishness and idiocy
TonyMontana… the thing is I never take the individual saying absurd things very seriously. On the other hand I take what is being said seriously as symptom of a larger problem. So for example if someone hates Bachchan this is not interesting for me. If someone does not want to think he was a big star that too doesn’t bother me. But when I see a lot of people exhibiting the very same attitude, arguing in the very same way and so on… I start wondering what is is about Bachchan that bothers these people so much? Even to the point that they have to resort to some pretty strange explanations. It’s much like when the media reacted hysterically to raavan I got that they didn’t like the film or the performance. But why were they so angry? D6 didn’t get good reviews, it too didn’t work but no one was so upset about it. What was there in raaavan that people were so enraged in the media?
These sorts of questions interest me. And these are the things I often try and respond to. It’s not really the obvious stuff about liking one star or not another and so on. For example I have never been a Salman Khan and beginning with his Dhawan phase I’ve even disliked him quite a bit. But otherwise I was never bothered about whether he had the biggest hits or not. I was just indifferent to him at best. I did like him a lot in Dabanng for the very first time but even before this I liked some of the things he was doing with Wanted onwards or some of the stuff he was saying on TV and in interviews etc. I now actually want the films he’s currently doing to work as much as possible. Because I consider his ‘politics’ useful.
Getting to the box office discussions over BBuddah notice what happens — people so dislike a certain narrative being advanced that they show up only in these instance to argue about these things. When I was on NG many used to say that I talked too much about Abhishek and so on. I never quite understood why it bothered anyone as long as I wasn’t being impolite. This when some others used to put up all kinds of ridiculous stuff in the name of news and what not. Now I’m here and I often hear similar things. At the end of the day one has to conclude that people just have a problem with a certain message and don’t like it being presented anywhere. The fact that they adopt a Nazi-like attitude where one doesn’t have a right to say things even on a blog one starts is a bit remarkable. I can’t imagine going to another blog, no matter how unreasonable I might find the content, and questioning people on why they indulge in that opinion! That people take these extreme steps means something.
That makes a lot of sense, especially when you talk about the agenda some of the die-hard haters adopt. Raavan and D6 werent successful but it was disheartening to see a whole brigade that seemed to just rip apart a film in every which way possible. As if Abhishek had done some crime or so. In fact, the problem is greater in its magnitude when an Abhishek film is expected to do well (Raavan, D6, DMD) and doesnt deliver. That makes these fanatics work over time.. LOL.. anyways, the thing has spread to Amitabh Bachchan films too. Do they get paid? I wonder..
I have a solution here for all these box office ‘troubles’. for all fans of all stars. If you don’t like what the ‘trade’ reports just reject it! Don’t worry about not having an alternative. So what? if I attend a class somewhere on history and I discover one day that the person teaching me is actually a fake and knows nothing about the subject or alternatively knows things but has the kind of political bias where he’s literally re-writing facts in different ways I should at that point withdraw from the class. I still would not know enough on the history myself but I would know something about the teacher. And that’s enough.
So we can know ‘of’ things. We don’t necessarily have to be aware of the specifics. So if Taran or Nahata says that a film made Rs 6 I can reject that number once I learn these guys are dishonest or fakes. I do not at all have to know the actual gross myself.
Incidentally I have seen for years that when I adopt such a stance it drives many partisans mad. They come and abuse me, they ridicule me or whatever. But if what I’m saying is so crazy why get so upset about it? Because this kind of assertion upsets a certain economy. The Taran-Nahata view of the world or what have you. If one basically likes the picture (pun intended) presented by these guys one will not mind debates over their figures because this too keeps the same frame of reference alive. However if you reject them altogether you interrupt that ‘economy’. And the anarchic potential here disturbs people.
Now as a matter of fact it is not just an assertion on my part, I have reasons for saying what I do. Nonetheless the way its formulated disturbs people. And I’m saying all fans of all stars should do the same with any numbers they don’t like.
This might sound bizarre. But it’s a perfectly sane suggestion. If you cannot get truth and honesty from people claiming to simply deliver ‘factual’ information why not reject the entire frame that allows these people ti remain influential? What do we lose? Nothing really. Because we have never been receiving truth in the first place or when so only coincidentally. No truth is being undermined by my suggestion because none has been presented in the first place. The film industry doesn’t make its decisions based on media and trade coverage.
These things work. Once more why did Taran stop providing numbers online all of a sudden? Because Jay started doing it, then others started copying Jay (they weren’t half as sound but I still liked the idea). Eventually someone felt things were getting out of hand and the numbers were not published anymore. Resistance always makes a difference.
on to trade there are 4 or 5 analysts around and they themselves differs around
easy to bribe with money , liquor and all things around so how can you expect transparency most of the time
they themselves change their verdict in their yearly status of movie…….( a movie which make sense somewhat as you can’t get never 100% numbers ) but even that is not consistent
and its not limited to bachchan , khan, kapoor or any xyz star
BHTB has grossed nearly 8.5cr in 4 days. That’s very decent business for a 10cr film. As for DMD, it is a 36cr average grosser, whether fools like Maha accept or not.
I think BHTB is safe commerically.
Not as big a hit as one would have hoped for but Mon figures suggest it will sail to safety.
It has already won the perception battle. In public’s eyes, AB has resurrected his old self successfully. Glowing reviews, viewer satisfaction and reports of occupanacy/housefull shows from all around are a proof. Most people who have seen it have positive things to say. Except for the most die hard fanatics of other stars and a rare AB fan, the film has worked.
Am glad.
There will be nay sayers but let them be. Let them think whatever they want.Doesnt affect AB. And, frankly BOI doesnt matter as it is a voice in the wilderness. A corrupt,bitter voice.
I think Abhishek *should* comment on the Box Office numbers as he is the producer of the movie. It’s frustrating to see all and sundry reporting numbers for the film and the Bachchans maintaining a dignified silence. Abhishek must have his own sources. He needs to come out and make a statement.
yes the narrative of a success is settling in. Of course those low numbers have been as always disseminated by the trade. Nahata’s are even lower than Taran’s! It is true though that no one otherwise looks at the numbers. The importance of these things gets exaggerated quite a bit online. Most people think of films as either successes or not.
But there’s another point tied to this. Specially with Abhishek a lot of times those who don’t like him wonder why he keeps getting films. Well this is precisely because the story the trade presents on him is far from the truth but equally so for the ‘stories’ presented on other stars. This doesn’t mean that I’m denying obvious success or failures.
DB has been given step motherly treatment since understandably we have been caught up with BHTB. It seems to have exceeded expectations.4.3 crores on Mon is exceptionally strong . It has hit the mark and is a very important success for AKP. As important as Lagaan and TZP. A very clever film, brilliantly promoted. Well done, Aamir. He knows exactly how far to push the envelope.
Yes, I intended to say something about DB too. It’s another ‘feather’ in Aamir’s cap although family audiences probably won’t think in the same way. I haven’t seen the film (won’t/can’t watch it before catching BHTB) but it’s the kind of film I’d have enjoyed in my college days. Whether or not I’d enjoy it today is another matter.
Irrespective of the film’s merits or demerits, what I like about Aamir and his production house is that he’s not married to a single genre. So he produces a Dhobi Ghaat and also Delhi Belly. In between there’s a Peepli Live as well. It doesn’t seem like a big thing but there’s no other producer out there who can straddle different genres as Aamir seems to do so easily. It’s a herculean achivement, IMO. And his creativity actually finds its peak during the promotions of the film. He’s a marketing whizz without a Harvard/Wharton/LBS MBA!
Agree on Aamir, but He is becoming a Brand now. On Blogsphere i see folks saying now onwards we don/t need to see even trailors also if its Aamir Movie after DB. ..
I think *many* producers have produced films of uncommon genre. Small films, but not very big success because of not having a famous name.
If there is a DB there was a Dev D.
If there’s a PL there was Tere Bin Laden (a satire in the real sense)
If there’s a DG ..hmmm can’t think of any contemporary examples, except several parallel running stories occured in Life in a Metro.
If people are honest they’ll accept that PL, BG and DB were successes because of Amir cashing on his name.
I can’t challenge him now to make these films even in early 2000s.
These successes would not have been possible under any other banner.
It’s either naivety or exceptional ‘hero worshipping’ to think he has hit a landmark.
I haven’t seen DB but from what I have read it seems not unlike many films made in the west (which Amir is trying very hardimpress).
No one is saying these are landmark films, we’re talking about Aamir’s stunning success rate across every conceivable genre, every kind of production scale, and a success rate of 100% (yes even MP by the standards of today is some kind of success.. even at the time not many lost money on it). Of course many films here are significant. There’s no need to raise the bar here so much. No one has said there was an Awara or something embedded here. Additionally Dev D did roughly 50-55% of what PL did. And Dev D was still a better film for the multiplexes than PL by any stretch. DG would have had NO audience without Aamir. So it’s not just about some genres working otherwise, one also has to look at the scale. as for Aamir cashing in on his name I guess I missed the industry where his peers are engaged in charity. His peers certainly wish they could cash in in the same way. Wonder why SRK couldn’t cash in on his name with a small multiplex-friendly production like Always Kabhi Kabhie! Again you perform a certain move here where you say some of us are hero-worshipping him or whatever but you surreptitiously change the terms of the debate. Yes I think his achievement is heroic since this past decade. But not because i define in the terms you have chosen. His success rate across genres, the magnitude of his success in these genres (my claim is that from RDB to DCH to lagaan to TZP to Fanaa to Ghajini to 3I to PL to DB… etc) no other star could have grossed more in those films at those points in time. And I don’t see the evidence in this entire period to disprove this point. All in all his achievement is historic for Bollywood in this sense — I have never seen a star do it by prestige in quite this manner. Even the greatest stars have a certain instant iconic appeal and a certain base of subjects. It hasn’t been this for Aamir. He’s never been SRK. But he’s nonetheless built this ‘empire’. This doesn’t mean he’s Raj Kapoor or Amitabh bachchan. But in his own way his accomplishments are quite incredible and the story is by no means over at this point. His next two films are assuredly hits/blockbusters. The question is then only of magnitude. All his peers are struggling just to get two hits together forget in different genres and what not. It’s ironic that when it comes to bachchan you find some others very annoying (rightly so) but you perform the very same moves when it comes to Aamir. You can dislike him as much as you want, surely this shouldn’t prevent a recognition of the facts.
saket is telling One prodn House not multiple producers and again you trailed into wonderlands of aamir khan.. sometime i see aamir makes the ground beneath you slippery
“He’s a marketing whizz without a Harvard/Wharton/LBS MBA!” incidentally the Harvard and Wharton DOES help ones cv and to get a bigger starting paycheque ….
But for certainthings you need “hands on” street smartness for which no degre helps– a longstanding interest fuelled by passion helps– something which has helped an above average performer who with his below average eight has achieved extraordinary success .
Haven’t seen DB– the v title is something whichonly toursists ESP White tourists use when coming to india– as oldgold suggested, he still has an eye at the oscars. To top it though, he is managing to move the indian box office and that IS remarkable!!
Ps– oldgold -did u ultimately read my list of cinema outlets inlondon for Buddha and did u end up watching it?
Ps2– Dimps had told me somewhere in the blog that she is “under the weather”. If she meant a hangover– Dimps– behave yourself and spare the younger guys —hahah
If she is seriously ill, wishing her a quick recovery. Hope she hasn’t got a bird flu-like serious illness!! Lol- just joking!
@satyam
Why are you so surprised at Amir’s success in different genres?
Nothing follows success so successfully as success.
Once again, to me success means ‘how many people’ and not ‘how much money’ – and not that he made so much money over and above his investment so it’s a success.
For me a film is not successful if it isn’t popular with people, and that’s all I want to say about a successful film.
@alex. Thank you alex. It was difficult to find that comment in this jungle. I hope to see it when I visit London in about 3weeks. Hope it’s still playing then.
Did someone die?
He’s such a drama queen.
This long schedule he’s referring to now is not the schedule he and Ash were quoted as saying when film announced. They said 45 day schedule wrapped at the end of July now he’s saying something different.
One can says it has both sides … those favouring female liberation can call it as an illegal act of dropping lady just for being pregnant while the director can also claim as a loss
Aside what are the famous pregnancies tamasha’s of bollywood
Talking about bachchans I guess jaya was pregnant during sholay but she continued on with the movie
Dilip’s wife saira unfortunately has miscarriage ( even dilip for a short time married asma for heir)
Its depressing to see that …he saw his heir in ayup khan his nephew who sadly is reduced to television these days
Kajol very recently has miscarriage and that made her took long break
that difference is because of the total number of screens between DB AND BHTB as BHTB was released with very less number of screens compared to DB…HOPE U UNDERSTAND NOW??
Ideaunique– bhandarkar has a point there…
It’s not that simple either ways but he CAN argue that ash should have informed him earlier !
I am ash’s biggest fan and infAct have gone on record to say that she was the most desirable indian lead for me( at her peak)….
But as always, I try to be as unbiased as possible, inconflicting situations.
Satyam can & has vouched for that with respect to bachchan for eg( havent minced words for anyone when feel it warrants that)–lol
However in this case, it is evenly balanced. Ash can also argue maternity rights and discrimination , even human rights.
Bottom-line– how can a woman lose a job(film here) ONLY on the basis of preganancy.
It’s a point for debate– but personally I would like to give the benefit o doubt and weightage to empathy towards the pregnant woman!!
As always , hope ash wins this “round” .
I became a sp fan of her when she got rid of the abuser and adulterer against all odds– kudos to ash– a real true blue icon!
“Oldgold-sometime i see aamir makes the groun beneath you slippery”– hahaha I have inside info about the “slippery” bit –lol
Just joking!
July 3, 2011
Holiday Box Office Sputters Domestically but Explodes Overseas
By BROOKS BARNES
LOS ANGELES — Hollywood’s Fourth of July fireworks were overseas.
The holiday period, a marquee sales time for movie studios, saw Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks bomb in the romantic comedy “Larry Crowne” and the third installment of the “Transformers” series fall notably short of its predecessor in North America. But the international box office continued to sizzle, with fans flocking to “Transformers: Dark of the Moon.” Between Tuesday night and Sunday, that Paramount Pictures movie sold an estimated $210 million in tickets overseas, a 51 percent increase over the same opening stretch for “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen,” the franchise’s previous entry, in 2009.
Paramount said that tickets for 3-D shows, which carry a price premium, drove the strong overseas performance for “Dark of the Moon,” which set sales records in seven countries, including South Korea with an estimated $28 million. It was Paramount’s biggest international opening (in dollars unadjusted for inflation).
“To see this kind of gigantic international start is simply amazing,” said Rob Moore, Paramount’s vice chairman. Overseas sales for “Revenge of the Fallen,” which was not released in 3-D, totaled $434 million, and “Dark of the Moon” could sharply improve on that.
The film was shown at many Imax theaters abroad, and Imax, which broke its global sales records, was jubilant. “It’s out of control,” said Greg Foster, its chairman of filmed entertainment.
Still, North America was a muddy picture. “Dark of the Moon” took in about $162 million between Tuesday night and Sunday, compared with $200 million for “Revenge of the Fallen” during the comparable period, according to Hollywood.com, which compiles ticketing statistics. Monday sales for “Dark of the Moon” were estimated at $18.8 million, lifting its domestic total to $181 million.
Analysts attributed the shortfall — which came despite higher ticket prices — to several factors. Audiences in the United States have started to tire of 3-D. About 60 percent of the domestic total for “Dark of the Moon” came from 3-D screenings; the format made up about 70 percent of sales overseas.
Americans, still feeling the pinch of a weak economy, have been going to the movies less often. For the year, domestic ticket sales stand at $5.2 billion, an 8 percent decline from the same period in 2010; attendance is down 9.4 percent.
But confusion overload from “Revenge of the Fallen” and its hard-to-decipher plot was probably the biggest factor. “We needed to win the audience back by telling a better story,” Mr. Moore said.
The good news for Paramount, aside from the overseas total, involves audience reaction to “Dark of the Moon.” Exit polls show that moviegoers are more satisfied with the film than with its predecessor, which should lead to favorable word of mouth. Sales increased from Friday to Saturday, a sign of positive chatter among fans of the series.
“Dark of the Moon,” directed by Michael Bay, cost about $200 million to make and centers on robot aliens clashing over a hidden spacecraft. (The 3-D effects alone contributed about $30 million to the budget.) It was easily No. 1 at the North American box office for the weekend.
“Cars 2,” from Pixar Animation Studios, was second in its second weekend with about $25 million in sales (excluding Monday estimates) for a new total of $116 million. “Bad Teacher,” the raunchy Sony comedy starring Cameron Diaz, was third with about $14 million for a two-week total of $59.5 million.
Ms. Roberts and Mr. Hanks limped along in fourth place in “Larry Crowne,” distributed by Universal Pictures and taking in about $13 million. Vendome Pictures spent about $30 million to make it. The two stars have opened to lower results: “Charlie Wilson’s War” sold about $10 million in tickets during its first three days in 2007. But that was a drama released in winter, and analysts had higher expectations for the two in a summer comedy.
The disappointing returns could have been the result of negative reviews and a warm-and-fuzzy marketing campaign that made the film look like something akin to a movie of the week.
Mr. Hanks directed the film, which he wrote with Nia Vardalos (“My Big Fat Greek Wedding”). To help get the movie made he agreed to play the male lead. The story centers on a middle-aged man who goes back to college after losing his job and develops a crush on his teacher, played by Ms. Roberts.
“Monte Carlo,” an inexpensive comedic romance from 20th Century Fox starring Selena Gomez, was fifth, taking in about $7.6 million.
The coming weeks will be crucial for Hollywood’s hopes of ending its domestic box office slump. Aside from continued sales for “Dark of the Moon,” the industry is counting on a potential multiplex monster: Warner Brothers will release “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2” in 3-D on July 15.
Weekend Report: ‘Transformers’ Claims Independence Gross Record
by Brandon Gray
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
July 4, 2011
This weekend, Transformers: Dark of the Moon dominated the box office with an estimated $97.5 million on approximately 9,300 screens at 4,013 locations (an estimated $116.4 million for the four-day weekend). In the process, the robo-threequel rocked the Independence Day weekend gross record, eclipsing Spider-Man 2′s $88.2 million, and socked Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides for the top-grossing weekend crown of 2011 so far. The Friday-to-Sunday opening salvos of Transformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen were $70.5 million and $109 million, respectively.
Transformers: Dark of the Moon amassed an estimated $175.6 million for its six-day opening ($181.1 million total including Tuesday night previews), ranking as the ninth highest-grossing six-day launch ever. The last big movie to share Dark of the Moon’s days and dates (Wednesday, June 29, through Sunday, July 3) was War of the Worlds in 2005, and Dark of the Moon handily out-grossed that alien invasion movie’s $112.7 million six-day start, though the two movies had nearly identical percentage changes throughout the weekend.
However, whlie the first Transformers made $155.4 million by day six (including previews), the second one, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, collected $214.9 million by its sixth day. What’s more, Dark of the Moon’s estimated attendance was far below Revenge of the Fallen and Spider-Man 2 and even behind the first Transformers by around 15 percent. Dark of the Moon’s 3D share of the gross was 60 percent at a record 2,789 3D locations, which was stronger than the 40 percent range showings of the last four major 3D releases (Cars 2, Green Lantern, Kung Fu Panda 2, Pirates 4) but still down from the format’s glory days. Dark of the Moon’s exit polling results were 62 percent male (compred to 54 percent male for Revenge of the Fallen) and 55 percent under 25 years old.
Transformers: Dark of the Moon had an uphill battle after the negative reactions to Revenge of the Fallen, which itself relied on the good will generated by the first Transformers to deliver its awesome numbers. Dark of the Moon looked like more of the same, though its marketing promised the slickest robo-spectacle yet as well as a stronger alien invasion/disaster angle and a reveal that humans were working with the Decepticons all this time (intended as an “oh my god” point in the ads). It wasn’t enough to overcome the stench of Revenge of the Fallen, but the franchise’s fumes were still strong enough and Dark of the Moon’s spectacle great enough in an unspectacular summer to yield likely the first $300 million plus movie of the year.
In second place, Cars 2 sprang a leak. The Pixar sequel slowed 60 percent to an estimated $26.2 million ($32.1 million four-day). That was the steepest second-weekend drop yet for a Pixar movie and was significantly worse than WALL-E (off 48 percent) and the first Cars (off 44 percent) at the same point. With $123 million in 11 days, Cars 2′s total was slightly ahead of Cars’ $121 million at the 11-day mark, but attendance was worse. While Transformers: Dark of the Moon had a 60 percent 3D share, Cars 2′s fell to around 35 percent from 40 percent last weekend.
Bad Teacher was downgraded by 54 percent, but it still outdrew the debut of another school-oriented comedy, Larry Crowne. The Cameron Diaz vehicle pulled in an estimated $14.5 million ($17.6 million four-day) for a $63 million sum in 11 days.
Despite the presence of Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, Larry Crowne failed to make the grade, grossing an estimated $13.1 million at 2,973 locations ($15.7 million four-day). The opening was well below par for both stars, and it’s no wonder: the movie had a meek premise, coming off as a mild-mannered version of television’s Community, and lacked punch in its marketing, relying too much on Hanks and Roberts’ presence to carry the day. Distributor Universal Pictures’ reported a demographic breakdown of 64 percent female and 81 percent 35 years of age and older.
Monte Carlo rounded out the Top Five with an estimated $7.4 million at 2,473 locations ($8.8 million four-day), which was slightly less than Ramona and Beezus from last summer. Distributor 20th Century Fox’s research showed that 80 percent of Monte Carlo’s audience was female and 60 percent was under 25 years old.
Green Lantern’s downward spiral worsened, and the superhero movie’s now dimming faster than Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. It plummeted 64 percent to an estimated $6.5 million, falling behind the older Super 8, which made an estimated $7.8 million. In 18 days, Green Lantern has grossed $103.7 million or just a bit more than what Transformers: Dark of the Moon did in its first three days. Super 8 stood at $110.1 million in 25 days.
Meanwhile, Bridesmaids crossed the $150 million mark on its 50th day and surpassed Knocked Up to become the top-grossing Judd Apatow production yet. The comedy had the second-smallest decline of the weekend behind Midnight in Paris (among nationwide releases), down 31 percent to an estimated $3.7 million. With a $153.8 million haul in 53 days, Bridesmaids also edged out the final gross of Sex and the City.
read these two box office reports. First the one by the NY Times which talks about bigger overseas results compared to domestic ones. Then check out the second Boxofficemojo piece where despite those huge Transformer numbers they talk about attendance down and so on.
This is how it’s done. We’ve seen these reports many times over the years. We’ve talked about them. Compared to the comprehensiveness of these reports, the lack of any partisanship, the variety of standards used etc you see how the stuff that is reported in India in the name of the box office is such bull that one dignifies it by not using much worse language. It is utter garbage. And it’s not about hits being called flops or vice versa. It’s not even about the partisan commentary. All these things can be and are rightly questioned. But just the overall level of discourse is so incredibly retarded, the idea that the world’s largest democracy, the world’s largest overall film industry has this to show for its efforts is mind-boggling.
In a sense all of us who are interested in the box office and take one side or the other are at fault. It’s not about whether one is addressing the problems or not. The level of the discourse is so imbecilic that there really is no sane way to respond to it. Whether this happens because people have agendas and/or corruption or whatever just gets to how this happens. But what we nonetheless have on display is pathetic.
I didn’t like the first Transformers, never saw the second one, was briefly thinking about the third one for the SFX but then decided that I wouldn’t be able to sit through 2.45 of this stuff in 3D! Can’t say Bad teacher is my kind of thing anyway.
I would say forget all this stuff and check this out:
Thanks –”incendies” seems interesting but not being shown here–will check it later when hit mainland-lol
.Btw There is no Bollywood nor any bollywood viewers here–lol
One has to go by “consensus” sometimes.
My philosophy– depending on the “company”-An uninteresting film also has some”benefits”&”perks”: like everything in life–hahaha
It’s not a question of taste but simple exposure. I have never believed in a hierarchy in this sense. Yes some films sometimes require a certain education (which does not only mean of the institutional kind) in terms of formally appreciating them but this doesn’t mean one cannot enjoy them otherwise.
Note all of this doesn’t really contradict the very polemical debates I had with some over Dil Se and Raavan. Not liking these works is absolutely fine. just don’t tell me Rathnam doesn’t know how to shoot or edit a film!
But most of the time we restrict ourselves in terms of the cinema. So for example it is almost impossible to get very many Hindi speakers to check out good Tamil films. The absurdity is that from Rathnam to Puri to Kamal to Murugadoss to whoever the moment these directors make works in Hindi everyone likes them. But people still refuse to see the original films. Then there are many who have the subtitle issue. Not saying this is an ideal way to watch films but it’s not a huge block either that one has to somehow overcome. Yes when it comes to certain kinds of auteurist cinema one has to develop certain habits, get used to the ‘time’ of those works more than anything else. But there’s nothing more that’s needed other than an openness to the new.
the correlation between those who don’t have ‘taste’ in these matters and those who don’t have the ‘exposure’ is a high one. Of course there are some who are just resistant to the idea of sensible cinema and refuse to engage with it even when they are shown such a film. Can’t help these sorts of people. But otherwise it’s just about exposure. Which is not to say some films are not difficult. But that’s true for any other art form too.
Its undoubtedly an excellent black comedy with hardly a dull moment in the 100 minutes of its running time. There’s an unnecessary hue n cry about the language used and other stuff in the film. If bad language is what makes a film offensive and poor, then Kubrick, Tarantino, Guy Ritchie and Martin Scorsese would be the worst filmmakers alive.
Performance-wise, its Vijay Raaz who takes the cake with a brilliant act.. He just about ovvershadows everyone who shares screen space with him. a remarkable actor and wish we could get to see more of him.
finally a comedy that make me laugh like anything.. I’d highly recommend it.
This is my opinion on BHTB
Good to hear and read abt so much positivity around the movie especially BIG B performance which was huge. Actually, media both print and television as well as WOM frm ppl is extremely positive. PPL have loved Amitabh return to angry image even at this age which is a plus in my opinion. I agree the release date should have been sorted out better as then it would have appealed to a much bigger audience. Why to clash with DB and T3 this one needed a clean release for sure. But the positive is people have appreciated Bachchan, and future opportunity in such roles does exist even at almost age 70 for Bachchan. I do hope and believe such kind of movies will come up further for Bachchan and the mkt for him in these kind of roles has just opened up only Abhishek as producer needs to be smart enough to sort out release dates”,budget etc and all tht stuff better.
But on some other forums which I also follow recently Bachchan bashing is on big time. Why do ppl consider Bachchan still a competition for their stars, I dont undertand this yet. Man just give him his space and let him do wonders at almost 70. But ppl finding Bachchan still a irritant for their younger stars is actually a huge complimenet to this giant of a man I think.
What a week! Three films — if I include the Hollywood TRANSFORMERS — and each of them were being eyed with keen enthusiasm. In fact, this was one of those rare weeks when moviegoers had made up their mind to watch two or [all] three films during the course of the weekend/week. This happens rarely… when the excitement to watch a film is evident days before its theatrical release.
DELHI BELLY was expected to emerge a winner, with the audience voting from their wallet generously. The super-strong brand [Aamir Khan] + rocking soundtrack of this movie had assured the distributors that a terrific start was on the cards. In fact, after last week’s DOUBLE DHAMAAL opened to a rousing reception, everyone was hoping that the three films would make the industry cash-rich in the opening weekend, making it one of the biggest weekends of the year thus far.
Of course, DELHI BELLY packed a solid punch and so did TRANSFORMERS, but BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP took time to stand up to the opposition posed by these two films. The one question that’s being asked in the industry circles is, had BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP arrived a week later, with MURDER 2, would things be different [better]? As things stand today, the film has been relegated to the third spot since the youth has given their mandate to DELHI BELLY and TRANSFORMERS.
Who would’ve ever thought that DELHI BELLY, which isn’t a hardcore masala film, would’ve reaped a big initial, at par with say a film starring an ‘A’ list star? Everyone felt that like Aamir’s last two ventures as producer, PEEPLI [LIVE] and DHOBI GHAT, DELHI BELLY was targeted at a tiny section of audience. If one were to go by this logic, how does one explain the fantastic performance of this film at the ticket counters? A film that caters to a miniscule audience doesn’t fetch such numbers, for sure. As a matter of fact, at the rate DELHI BELLY is faring, it may touch the lifetime business of I HATE LUV STORYS by the end of Week 1 itself.
That only goes to prove how powerful a brand Aamir Khan is today. The name is synonymous with qualitative cinema and irrespective of how the audience reacts to his film, he ensures ‘House Full’ boards in the opening weekend, a feat no studio/film-maker can guarantee today. Underestimating a brand like Aamir Khan in today’s times is, well, unwise.
BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP, in my opinion, would’ve benefitted tremendously had it arrived later. Averting the clash with not just DELHI BELLY but also TRANSFORMERS has proved costly for this film, which is rich in merits, but has been affected due to the competitors. At several centres in India, BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP was the second choice of exhibitors. Internationally too, if you notice the numbers, DELHI BELLY has stolen the march in every country, be it U.K., U.S.A., Australia or U.A.E [read details in our Overseas Boxoffice column].
TRANSFORMERS, which had a really wide release across the globe, made a dent in the business of all films, English or non-English [DELHI BELLY and BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP were affected as well]. Which only goes to prove that the next time Bollywood producers decide on a release date, please, please, please, please ensure that you aren’t locking horns with a Hollywood biggie in India and also internationally. It’s better to be safe than sorry!
this is an argument every generation makes. If there’s one thing that’s a constant in human history it’s this ‘values’ complaint!
Incidentally the most canonical author in terms of going against such values was of course Shakespeare who could never quite resist an obscene pun or double entendre if he could think of one (which was always!).
Satyam, that is the reason why i dont like to watch maaramari type of masala movies. All these things make the youth to get confused. Whether to rebel or not. What type of rebellion is right and what type is wrong. Parents teach their children to behave. They dont teach them bad words. That is called value.
Teaching is no big deal, question arises when to act on that teaching…
Suppose , you teach your kids all good things, beta/beti don’t do this. don’t lie. and so on but next moment the kids sees you doing the same thing what u tell him/her not to do… all teaching goes thru the window…
child is much more intelligent that we think they are. one cant so called “inject values” by teaching but by imbibing themselves in our lives… Make the foundation strong than no movie or any external agent will come into the picture…
When we think teaching values is the panacea of all, we are doomed. Better we live those ideals in our own lives and child is intelligent enuf to see that, else he/ she thinks my parents are biggest liars and hypocrites, even though they wont say that coz of emotional bond.
Movie doesnt affect a child as much as the lives of there own parents does.
Values? Why didn’t anyone bring up the question of values and morality when Amitabh ji did Nishabd? Married old man, falling in love with a girl of his daughter’s age! Or an aged man proving his ”strength” to a much-younger Tabu in Cheeni Kum? Sexy Sam type roles – does it suit a man of his age and stature, especially in Indian culture? I hope you remember Boom as well! Padosan apni murgi ko rakhna sambhaal, mera murga hua hai deewana aur ”Jumma chumma de de!” – yeh values thi kya?
Do Aur Do Paanch, in the starting, has a scene in which both Amitabh and Shashi Kapoor shout gaalis at each other in jail. Many more examples of morals and values in other stars’ films are there!
Talking of bad language, Big B and his contemporaries like Dharam and Shatru are responsible for making words like ”kutta” (saala, etc.) type gaalis a part of everyday speak for even kids! They are the trailblazers! Otherwise, even kutta-kameena was forbidden once upon a time!
Every generation has its own set of likes and dislikes.
My grandfather always hated Sholay and said that film was a beginner’s course in gaalis!
If it is about values and culture, then why did Big B host a show like Bigg Boss on TV?
Of course, DB language and certain scenes are more offensive than kutte-kameenay stuff but it has A certificate and no one is forcing you or anyone else to watch it. Why get bothered if it is doing well at the box office or getting good feedback on Twitter, IMDb or good reviews in international media? It is not Aamir’s fault in it. Certain people are liking it so they are watching and recommending it!
Not just box office, DB popularity can be gauged by number of fan pages and groups dedicated to it on FB and other social networking sites, ratings on sites like IMDb and Flixster. Google trends, hits on Youtube, number of tweets/blogs etc. DB was also voted among Top 10 most awaited movies of 2011 in Bollywood Hungama poll – http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/features/2011/02/04/7065/index.html
When Ormax Media guys took a poll on Twitter, asking which film will do better at the box office, DB was voted ahead of BHTB.
DB has popularity too, not just box office numbers or reviews. If some of you can show photos of people lined up to watch BHTB, then even photos of people lining up to watch DB are there. Many have witnessed audience giving standing ovation to DB in theatres. Equal or more anecdotal evidence exists for DB also.
No denying BHTB is doing well. But trying to bring down Aamir Khan or DB, or accusing his team of ”reporting false collections” or trying to sabotage BHTB or ”spreading vulgarity” is not fair.
He has not forgotten his social responsibility. Had this been the case, he would have tried to get this film a U/A certificate and never warned the audience of its content in advance! At least he has been honest about the content of this film since the beginning!
BTW, an elderly Dharam or Amitabh jumping to the tunes of Tinku jiya or Kajrare, with girls younger than their own daughters is also no sign of social responsibility! Nickaming a little kid ”Sexy” (Cheeni Kum) is also not right (there was a huge controversy about it when the film released). An old man judging that a woman’s from Chandigarh, by just looking at her butt (ala Sexy Sam in KANK) is also not socially responsible or moral! And these are U or U/A rated films!
I wish both stars’ films do well. And I hope everyone including fans behave with grace, even in case one star’s film upstages the other!
No one is a saint. Every star does films or songs of various kinds and then fans use all sorts of logic to defend one film and trash the other.
Box Office Mojo does not yet have a page for BHTB, but has one for DB. So, is that site biased too?
I agree with most of the things you say. But there are certain things to be looked into. If a parent tells its child that he or she could not watch something or could not say something. And the inquisitive child asks its parents that if something is bad for it, how can it be good for them? Double standards? The parents will shut the mouth of the child but the question remains in the mind of the child unanswered.
Most parents compel children to drink milk while they themselves drink coffee or tea. I saw resentment in the children’s eyes and those resentments build up and make them rebels when they get out of the clutches of such parents.
Now take Delhi Belly which is making waves and enjoying unprecedented patronage. Now a plethora of such films will follow by crude directors who will have no script sense but may want to cash on this trend. And censor board officials will have to deal with them.
I only pointed out the flip side while I agree that there is some freshness and novelty in the concept.
“And the inquisitive child asks its parents that if something is bad for it, how can it be good for them?”
I don’t follow this logic. Don’t age limits apply to things in life. I won’t allow my kid to drive my car just because I do it! I won’t allow the kid to ride a subway at midnight just because I do it! I won’t allow him/her to watch a movie with graphic sexual situations just because I do it!
DB comes with a certain certificate. It’s not for everyone. Even if it were and if I didn’t want a child to watch I’d say so. The culture will throw up lots of messages that I might not like for kids. It’s called living in a world, not a goldfish bowl! Far more terrifying things happen on the front page of newspapers that could ever be presented in a film!
As for your concern that the culture gets coarsened this way that’s not really true either. Because people are speaking like this anyway. Don’t think people will start doing so in all situations because a film or two is made. And if they do well then that means the terms of that culture have shifted also. These things happen.
Personally I think that what happens daily on TV is worse for any culture than anything that’s going on in DB. here I can do no better than quote Fellini.
In the 80s the great Fellini wrote something about Italian TV that applies even moreso to all the satellite cultures of our age:
“The abnormal, the monstrous, the delirious, the alienated, the exceptional reproposed by TV as (it it were) the most obvious, normal, familiar, and customary aspect of daily life; and on the other hand, the banality, the insignificant, the informal, the collective, the undifferentiated, presented with solemnity, trumpet flourishes, reflectors, choreography, and the rhythms of a sacred ceremony.”
He also tied this TV phenomenon and its attendant video culture to the ‘death of cinema’:
“I too think that the cinema has lost authority, prestige, mystery, magic. The giant screen that dominates an audience devotedly gathered in front of it no longer fascinates us. Once it dominated tiny little men staring enchanted at immense faces, lips, eyes, living and breathing in another unreachable dimension, fantastic and at the same time real, like a dream. Now we have learned to dominate it. We are bigger than it. See how we have reduced it: here it is the size of a cushion between the library and the flower pot. Sometimes it’s even in the kitchen, near the refrigerator. It has become an electronic domestic servant and we, seated in armchairs, armed with remote control, exercise a total power over those little images, rejecting whatever is unfamiliar or boring to us… We wipe out the images that don’t interest us. We are the masters. What a bore that Bergman! Who said Bunuel was a great director? Out of the house with them. I want to see a ball game or a variety show. Thus a tyrant spectator is born, an absolute despot who does what he wants and more convinced that he is the director or at least the producer of the images he sees. How could the cinema possibly try to attract that kind of audience?”
Death of cinema? Cinema is not dead. Actually it is retribution of sorts The tv audience with remote has so much choice and little time. It started with the death of reading a good book with the advent of cinema. Now many consider Harry potter as the greatest literary work and Shakespeare as some freak museum piece. And Fellini crying foul. You get what you do unto others. in this case it is cinema culture versus high end literary work.
Cinema made literature a handmaid. It distorted the purity of literary works of great value.
But that’s not the argument Fellini is making. He’s not bemoaning the replacement of one art form by another but the replacing of one with perversity!
On cinema and literature I do agree that most literary adaptations are wanting. On the other hand cinema delivers these to a great number and most of which would never read the book anyway! Also the potency of cinema cannot be reduced to its ‘economy’ with the printed word. There’s a lot else going on here!
But cinema knows how to reinvent itself and thats why some Fridays throw surprises at us.
Cinema can never be dead because that big screen experience is something to make us look forward to.
Though I bemoan about great works being reduced to 3 hours, I cannot deny the fact that this has made many to read the books who otherwise would not have cared.
I have only one explanation for the reason people think it’s so cool to have people spewing offensive gaalis on the screen.
The west does it – and we are equally ‘advanced and liberated’. LOL!!
I’m surprised that people are giving lame excuses of people using bad language ‘in everyday life’ so it doesn’t matter onscreen.
There’s a great difference between glorifying, magnifying (big screen larger than life), cultifying, putting the words to music, spewing offensive language under the halo of a brand name, instead of hearing it anonymously on the street from someone, and spewing gaalis where it is a *focus*
Come on. Stop being *reverse* hypocrites!!! It was a money generating trick, and it worked.
The worse is the manzil that one arrives at after walking this street.
No, I’d have to disagree that it’s a money generating trick. Foul language has been used in proper ‘art’ films like Ardh Satya as well. Bandit Queen, for instance, was full of proper hindi expletives. These films, and others, did not make money because of the use of expletives or foul language. But at the same time, they were not exactly glorifying their usage either. The use of cuss words was presented as a fact of life.
Delhi Belly isn’t too different from these films in that respect. Is this kind of language normal? In Delhi, this sort of stuff is quite mild. I know from first hand experience. It’s again just another fact of life. But at the same time, a film like Delhi Belly is going to be patronized by the college going crowd and somehow I feel they’d start thinking that their use of gaalis is now justified. I say all of this without having seen the film, though.
It’s quite possible I’ll like Delhi Belly as a film. But at the same time, I feel a bit uneasy with the after-effects of this film as well. When Langda Tyaagi mouths gaalis in Omkara, it’s a source of amusement, but perhaps not a vindication of using such language in day to day life. He’s after all a villager from the badlands of UP. In DB, the protagonists are hipsters and the college going crowd might just feel that they are justified in using such language.
In summary, I don’t have any issues if DB becomes a cult film. I do, however, feel a bit uneasy if it becomes a cult film among the youth for the wrong reasons…
saket you haven’t read my comment properly.
Of course we don’t have to agree, but I feel very very strongly that Amir has misused his power and popularity here.
Becoming a poor imitation of the western style and not inventing ones own is not really great.
But in your case, I only see protests because it’s Aamir. Why don’t you protest the use of cuss words in Ishqiya or Omkara, or even Maqbool? Vishal Bharadwaj even called his film Kaminey!
The point is, it’s not just Aamir who’s done this sort of thing. And only using gaalis won’t make a film hit! People won’t part with a couple of hundred bucks because they get to hear gaalis on screen. The content rules too. Gaalis just form a part of the on screen ‘attitude’. It’s also a tool to make a film more ‘realistic’. To single out Aamir for making cuss words sound cool is wrong. He didn’t write the script anyway! He produced the film. People latched on to it and they have made the film a hit. Aamir would be the culprit if he, like Dada Kondke, made films ONLY like Delhi Belly. But as you’d know quite well yourself, that’s not the case. He just produced Dhobi Ghaat and Peepli Live. Before this there was TZP, JTYJN and Lagaan! So your criticism against Aamir is not valid.
According to all sources, it was Kiran Rao who read the script first and then Aamir went on to produce the movie. So you should be blaming Kiran Rao!
>But in your case, I only see protests because it’s Aamir.
That ends the discussion, doesn’t it?
If the filthy gaalis are the same as in other films why is everyone behaving as though it has never happened before.
Perhaps there is an overdose of it?
Perhaps they are filthier than the others?
Perhaps the FOCUS is greater in this case?
Perhaps because it is even SET TO MUSIC?
Perhaps because there is extra explicit sex here?
Or, the other films had more to say.
Well, I’ve just repeated (in different words) what I had already expressed. Means – you have my answer but you keep repeating the same questions.
“why is everyone behaving as though it has never happened before”
I don’t see everyone protesting! A few people, yes, but certainly not everyone. Is Delhi Belly’s sole focus, gaalis and corruption of youth? I can hazard a good guess and say, no. Even without having seen the film. From the trailers, I can make out that the story revolves around three big time losers. Whatever losers do, in my opinion, can’t be cool. But perhaps people won’t see these characters as losers. They might see them as heroes, but then that’s a completely skewed reading.
And even if one were to entertain the thought that Delhi Belly has crossed all ‘limits’ of decency, the question still remains as to who defines those limits? And, to skirt those limits is acceptable, but to cross them is worth condemnation? That doesn’t sound quite right, does it?
Years ago, Basu Chatterjee made a film called Shaukeen, an adult comedy centered around 3 lecherous old men. Delhi Belly is probably a film about their pursuits, when they were younger!
saket you are now arguing for the sake of arguing.
Shaukeen, omkara, sathya, kaminey…the list keeps growing.
If you think they are on the same level as DB then OK.
You win.
I watched Bhindi Bazaar, It probably has more foul language . But agree that once it is done in a popular movie, it gets attestation for normal use. It is other matter that I have seen kids less than my knee height mouthing worse than this atleast 15 years before.
I know we were not allowed to see certain movies and as mentioned our curiosity level increased for those movies. Now I see them and feel what was the fuss about but then I am thinking from present prism. Probably it was not suitabble at that time. Our sensibilities change over period of time. More likely towards liberal side.
Oldgold the more Aamir films become successful the more funny it is to see your reasoning behind their successes. Keep them up. You’ve come up with plenty of reasons “why” they are successful except the most important one. Audiences like the films!
Vatikala, just a question. If a film is not likeable or bad just coz of swearing, what do you have to say about people who swear in their everyday conversations? Lets face it, expletives is what most people use while speaking everyday. the film is just a reflection of what is happening around us.. Okay, the film could be banned, or avoided.. but if you stay in Delhi and people swear around you (the college crowd, the local crowd, the masses), then what’ll you intend to do? get the place banned? shift to a different city?appeal to the Supreme Court?
If bad language and swearing was all it took to make a film unwatchable and ridiculous, the Scorsese’, the Ritchies, the Tarantinos, the Kubricks should have hung their heads in shame, and would be moving out of their homes by putting a cloth over their faces.
Enough of this pseudo-culture. I wonder what culture many talk about in a country that has hypocrisy inundated all over.
In India, we are surrounded by crude youngsters(mostly). there are gentlemanly people also who are helpful and mind their own business.
I have same objection about calling one a Buddha. It is so derogatory. In English language my old man sounds better. Somehow our Indian languages sound terrible when it comes to gaalis. I prefer English language gaalis.
Blame it on the tone that Hindi expletives sound worse than English ones for some. But I wouldnt stop from expressing myself as I want to, just coz of fear of some individuals who think it is against our culture (wonder what culture are they talking about here). I’d say to hell with people like these who think that such films are not meant for family audience, a term I find hilarious. what do they mean by it? That guys can watch the movie alone and not let their wives watch it. Lol.. i mean why not.. most of the top Hindi gaalis involve a woman anyway.. lol
The one issue I’d have against the use of hindi gaalis (disclosure: I did win a hindi gaali fest during my ragging days in college!), is that a film like Delhi Belly makes their usage ‘cool’. I’m surprised to say this myself, but it’s not cool!
I know people don’t mean it. It’s guys having fun and so on, but at the same time, there’s a point where it becomes a bore. It’s disrespectful to womenkind too. And there are words which tend to increase homophobia in general. In my own case, I’ve gone through those years where every sentence needed at least an expletive or two, but speaking of today, I’d rather forget that such a time existed in my life. Guys don’t need to swear, smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol to feel like a ‘man’. The problem with indiscretions of youth is that in some cases, the indiscretion can be carried forward. That is definitely not a good thing.
you have a good point and I agree with you. But my point here was not to patronise the gaalis but defending the film that in a way mocks the same youngsters and masses who use them. and a film that relies on a good storyline instead of versatile abuses needs to be applauded. It’s sad that some people will remember it as the film that introduced potty humor
@vati/Alex: concur with you guys on DB.
I just am not interested in BO numbers and carel ess on those counts (hit hua/flop hua…apunko kya, thoda paisa invest kiya tha movie mai), so I had nothing to say. I have been devouring movies/serials in past few days. Watched downton abbey and loved it. watched *new* sherlock holmes (set in todays times) and am in love with benedict (for now lol)…kya acting hai. What great serials. The attention to details in downton abbey is marvelous [there is a scene where *servants* are gossiping behind the mansion and there are fish crates with the name of the company...awesome]!! Didn’t watch anything hindi as was busy taking horse back riding lessons, going to vineyards, harvesting cukes/tomatoes/bringal/herbs and grapes from my personal vineyard/garden and such.
I personally dont find movies like DB objectionable in the right setting.
Not something you would want to watch with young kids of impressionable age for sure. But, Ihave no moral objections to the kind of language used. However, if some finds it objectionable, wouldnt blame their either. Everybody has a different way of judging things even they have similar values. And , no body can decide for someone else what is right and wrong for them.
If you find it objectionable, vote with your feet and stay away. Perfectly fine.
Porn is being played in theatres in India but no one cares as long as you know walking in….Point is, anything can be shown as long as one is not being deceived.
The whole point here is that it’s Amir’s film. So while people *may not* walk into theatres showing porn they *will go* in this theatre because it’s an Amir film.
While ‘porn’ will be ‘porn’ for everyone, even those who go, whatever vulgarity is shown here is not vulgar or anything indecent for them, or if it is it’s something to laugh about, feel happy even – ‘oh it’s so normal’ ‘everyone uses it’, ‘it’s the thing’, ‘it’s cool’.
So while the industry has turned women into ‘nothing’ over the years with men dominating, comes along a film by the ‘haloed’ man who thinks it’s ‘youthful’ to degrade women further, while the pipsqueak wife grins away.
Only, in this case, it was Aamir’s wife who found the film extremely funny! It’s a properly circulated news story by now that Kiran Rao read the script of DB first and recommended it to Aamir! So it’s a woman who initiated/acted as a catalyst for further “degradation of women.”
Does DB degrade women? I’d have to watch the film first. Don’t think it goes out of its way to represent females in bad light.
I’ve said that I feel uneasy about the use of expletives in DB, but that’s more because of how people will perceive it. I suspect the film might be celebrated for its vocabulary, which I don’t see as a just cause for celebration. Is it “cool” to use such language? Absolutely not. At least IMO.
The film could still be witty and effective as a madcap, genre-bending caper story, though. That’s not a possibility I wish to rule out.
Well we’ve come full circle…so here I go again! LOL!!
The abusive language actually is degrading to women (sisters and mothers)…. and ther’s no need for a renowned production house to glorify it, sing about it, have everyone discuss it as..chalta hai, reality hai, because no one cares for reality, it’s the ‘fun’ involved in hearing it in song, on screen, and with the knowledge of who brought it about.
And I concede that the “nature” of the objection is fine. The “subject” of the objection, though, is a familiar one. He doesn’t become another Hugh Hefner by producing Delhi Belly!
Let’s be real. Would you have protested as much had SRK been the producer of DB?
>Let’s be real. Would you have protested as much had SRK been the producer of DB?
Have you no other points of argument left?
>The “subject” of the objection, though, is a familiar one.
The subject here is actually what makes matters more sangeen.
The subject is what is making the film popular and taken notice of. Better films than this have gone unnoticed.
The subject has been showered with praise for bringing about great changes due to his and his films influence.
The subject is more powerful than SRK in making effective films (according to those who are now this very minute arguing about the film being harmless, just real, nothing to be concerned about, oh there are many other films like it)
So, yes the subject here makes matters worse.
Any other producer would have had this film come and gone without much notice.
How nice of you to jump in to support saket when he seems not to have any more ideas to support his claim. LOL
BTW you could have said the same to saket who was actually the guilty one of taking the discussion round and round in circles.
No, in your case, this one line of argument is enough to end the discussion. You have a deep rooted “hatred” that gets the better of your judgment, almost all the times. That’s your prerogative. Mine is to (sometimes) point the obvious agenda.
As far as agend goes, I’ve noticed people going overboard in praise of AK to downgrade SRK which is an obvious agenda in itself here.
But as rajen says this is getting tiresone.
So you are now free to have the last word because I’ve ended this discussion and have work to do.
It’s clearly stable but the things is that the trade started with such a low number on Fri they have to now pretend this is fine on the low side. Again the graph they’re offering on the film doesn’t make any sense. It is true that DB is doing superbly on weekdays and Bbuddah isn’t performing the way it did over the weekend where it was great (though I am told Tue is better than Mon). My own sense is that this is have a 16-20 crore week. Based on my earlier 12-15 crore sense for the weekend (even if one doesn’t go with the 17 crores IBOS have.. based on that number their week 1 would be in the low 20s or something).
On DB as I mentioned yesterday IBOS had 19 crores for the weekend but if one thinks this is too low BOI had 21, Nahata had 23, Taran had 26 or more. So still a great deal of variation. Nonetheless even at the lowest end DB is not likely to have less than 32 crores or so. Again looking all the sources the range would be from 32 to 37 crores. Obviously outstanding any which way. Given the genre and so on.
If you believe the trade BBuddah will end up 15-17 crores lifeline, yes far less than CK even! And only doing half of DMD (taking even the lowest trade numbers on this). I don’t buy that at all. My sense is that with a decent enough second weekend Bbuddah should end up around 30. But won’t do more than this. DB meanwhile even if it has a steeper drop over the second weekend should still end up in the mid-50s range of JTYJN and could well do more if it’s getting a lot of repeats. Here it must be said that the weekdays are excellent and in some ways relatively stronger than even the weekend fri and Sat. Nahata by the way has just 6 crores here for Fri. What this means is that the base has really solidified here and it’s probably getting multiple viewings as well.
But this is why Taran stopped giving those numbers. when we used to run them we would get significant differentials on many totals. Now even when one suspects something’s going on it’s hard to offer precise numbers. Sure one can get hard copies of the journals and do so but there’s a time lag on those and so on.
Yes, I agree with the gist of your message but Viacom have themselves confirmed a low total. That’s the perplexing part. And of course, the producer has gone AWOL on this issue as well. Frankly speaking, I’m very very frustrated about this. Isn’t there a way to get through to Abhishek and ask him to at least make a small statement about BHTB’s performance?
Saket, In India there is often no way to confirm the truth of certain claims if one is also not willing to be dirty and arbitrarily throw out numbers. Let’s say you and I are partners. we co-produce a film but you also distribute it. You know what you’re getting back. You then have to tell me truthfully. And therein lies the rub. Alternatively you might tell me and I might have reasons for wanting to go along with a lower number. But I have asked Bachchan on the blog to reveal the numbers. It’s a question of being keyed into the right institutional networks. This might seem odd for a Bachchan who’s been at it for so long but remember even at his absolute peak the trade and media were very resistant to him and used to engage in all sorts of absurd writeups much as they would try and downgrade his films, so on and so forth. So he’s always had very uneasy standing with the institutions of the industry. It didn’t matter when he was younger. because if you’re working with Desai or Mehra or whoever they have their networks and they handle the ‘dirtier’ side of the game. When you are yourself producer it becomes a different deal. I say things here, I hint at others but even I don’t say a tenth of just what goes on in the industry.
Either way it’s a whole cesspool and as I’ve said before 90% of all claims in these matters are the stuff of fiction. But yes one way or the other the Bachchans have to create their counter-narrative which goes beyond one film or another.
Bingo ! You hit it right on the head. If Junior Bachchan is not coming out with any number then people will believe the trade. I am not sure what’s stopping Abishekh here. If Bbuddah is being misreported by the trade then say it. Also, Viacaom is pretty much confirming the trade’s number. Usually, production house and their partners give the number on the high end.
something off topic, but related to the adult theme of Delly Belly.
Here’s a film I watched on Youtube today, an unreleased film called Urf Professor by a fine film-maker by the name of Pankaj Advani (he died in November last year). Its a good film with some laugh-out loud comic scenes. But thanks to its explicit content and graphic language, it could never see the light of the day (even by today’s Bollywood standards, it was too bold in 2001) and the censor board did not pass it. Its available on youtube. There’s this hilarious (but watch it at your own risk) opening scene; a conversation between a newly-wed couple:
The entire movie can be watched on youtube, in bits n pieces in different parts
To elaborate further, James Bond is a cool character, right? Try living his life for a change: sip martinis by the gallon, smoke cigars and get into bed as often as it’s possible. You won’t live past 40! Or if you do, you’d have tubes hanging out of natural as well as man-made crevices in your body.
@Tony/Vati: “Enough of this pseudo-culture.”
It is said that movies are reflection of life and there are stranger things in real life compared to movies. However young minds (or I should rather say any mind) are impressionable, in that they do not understnad difference bet. real and reel. if they see their fav. movie star giving choicest galis, then they may think that that is kool or OK thing to do. I have many young girl relatives (growing outside of india) who think that throwing their chest up and down, dhak-dhak-madhuri style is art (and representation of all things indian!!) and perform such dances in weddings and parties (sometimes with proud mothers on the side). So the onus is on parents to put in right *bourgevois values* for the children, which if it entails speaking properly and conveying ideas without cussing, then so be it. I have worked around (young) people at work who cussed day and night (for no reason) and I must say it was quite unnerving…once these *children* grow up they will continue to cuss but only on really frustrating occasion instead of regular mode of communication (what a relief). Life is short. One can spend reading cheap yellow journalism or Shakespeare…the choice is there…free will.
I agree about Madhuri’s dhak dhak has made even young toddlers that its okay to do so. These stars make money and go away. But what about these little kids who dance so vulgarly on every other tv show that it has become a turnoff?
We have cinema culture, folk culture, classical culture and our own middleclass mores. Though we enjoy films, film people(especially the ladies) dont get respect from the general public. But now due to media, the public are accepting them with more warmth.
Violent language is also a sort of violence. Its okay if some hald educated uses that language, but if an IIT grad uses it against his wife and children, it is not cool.
Another thing is rave parties which some find cool. It is considered as part of growing up. Are elders responsible for this bordeom, disllusionment and rebellion that is growing among the youth? And ragging is also an offshoot of youth culture trying to assert.
Fellini and death of cinema: Satyam, what we have is free will; I disagree with “tyrant spectator”. If a product is being marketed to a consumer and suddenly there is barrage of products, then each product will have to compete and competition is always good. Today there are awesome quality tele-serials ( some I just watched and was completely bowled over) so movies WILL have to do better. Audience will not waste time (money) on poorly written/acted stuff and reject that…that can only be a good thing…the competition, that is! If movie makers are coming up with shoddy products (Fellini included) then I as audience don’t want to get out of my comfortable couch and go out and waste my time/money/energy over a cheap/shoddy product! So to get my money in your pocket, the producer/director/scriptwriter/actor will have to up their ante.
let to believe that Tue was better than Mon though it’s come down after the weekend unlike DB which is going strong. Bbuddah is stable at the lower end. Meanwhile BOI have suddenly stopped reporting on it! They have DB’s Tue but nothing on Bbuddah.
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap has been steady on the weekdays but collections are low. It has been collecting in that 80-90 lakhs range every day over the weekdays.
Even though collections are the steady the film is not going anywhere theatrically as collections are just too low.
The week is likely end around 9.75 crore nett which is very poor and Murder is taking a lot of its single screens which will make it difficult for Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap to put up decent second week numbers.
The film is likely to finish its business below the 15 crore nett mark and a 7 crore approx distributor share.
The first half of 2011 saw lukewarm business for the Hindi film industry; the next six months will decide whether this year is a hit or a flop
With Aamir Khan’s Delhi Belly and Amitabh Bachchan-starrer Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap raking in excellent weekend collections, the second half of 2011 is off to a flying start. While the industry seems like it is in a formidable position, it is the next six months that will help us decide if the industry is ready for mega-budget projects. “With big films, the stakes are higher, pressure is immense and money is enormous. And with more than Rs 500 crore riding in the market in the second half, this period is crucial,” warns trade analyst Taran Adarsh.
This warning comes after a dismal second half of 2009 and 2010, which saw major films like Raavan, Blue, Khelein Hum Jee Jaan Sey, Guzaarish, London Dreams, Kurbaan and Kambhakt Ishq incur heavy losses and put the industry on the backfoot. The only exceptions were Wanted, 3 Idiots, Golmaal 3 and Dabangg which helped stabilise the situation a bit. With two of these starring Salman Khan in the lead, it is no surprise that his next, My Love Story has fetched the highest ever Indian theatrical price at Rs 75 crore. As rumours suggest, Shah Rukh Khan’s superhero flick, Ra.One is a close contender, as is Don 2. Movies like Singham, Rascals, Force, Rockstar, Mausam, Aarakshan, Ladies v/s Ricky Bahl and Mere Brother Ki Dulhan are other big ticket projects which could make or break the equation in Bollywood. “Big money comes from big films. Hence it is good that 80 percent of the releases in the second half belong to the big league. Small films, even if they do well, cannot change the financial equations in the industry,” says film analyst Komal Nahta.
The second half of 2011 becomes all the more important because the first half didn’t do as well as expected. After the initial phase of average hits such as, No One Killed Jessica, Yamla Pagla Deewana and Tanu Weds Manu, the box office saw a dull period. “The first half was terrible,” says Manoj Desai, exhibitor, G7 multiplex and Maratha Mandir in Mumbai. “Except for Ready and Double Dhamaal that made money, the others failed to make any impact. Besides, sequels hardly make as much money as the original and Double Dhamaal suffered on this account,” says Desai, stating that the makers of Murder 2 may well be in for a rude shock. With the industry big on sequels, Farhan Akhtar’s Don 2 which releases on Christmas Eve is also in the spotlight. “But mine is the first sequel of a remake and it is for the first time that the sequel is about an anti-hero. The novelty factor could work for us,” says Akhtar.
The year will also see as many as three South Indian remakes — Singham , Force and My Love Story, a genre that has so far tasted only success. “These three films could prove crucial as the action genre has become popular recently,” says Adarsh. “But content remains most important when it comes to the bigger picture.” Vipul Shah, producer of Force, seconds that opinion: “The script is, eventually, what drives the entire show. But with big films coming out every week, the advantage is with the filmmakers who have their releases slated for the latter part of the year. Promos of our upcoming films will get more screen space and that could help grab more eyeballs.”
Other wild card factors could affect how films, and the industry as a whole, do in the second half. October will see the release of Sanjay Dutt’s first home production Rascals, which he is sure to promote in a big way. Mausam’s USP will be father-son duo Pankaj and Shahid Kapoor working together for the first time and Rockstar will see the return of heartthrob Ranbir Kapoor who has been missing in action for the last one year. Yashraj Films will have its hopes pinned on Ladies vs Ricky Bahl which will see the comeback of Anushka Sharma and Ranveer Singh, after the sleeper hit Band Baaja Baaraat last year.
But Desai, who has been in the movie exhibition business for almost 35 years, feels all the marketing strategies aside, it is the television promos that will drive the film. “The year has seen inflation reach new heights. So the one thing people are looking to cut down on is entertainment. Viewers usually base their movie-watching decisions on television promos. For instance, most people are expecting Hrithik Roshan to return as an action hero now, but in Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara, he plays a romantic and this isn’t helping in creating a big buzz. Only time will tell if the audience accepts him or not,” he says.
“Does DB degrade women”
–Certainly not! On the contrary it depicts a woman’s power to keep a man at her toes, be the supreme power in bed and is the root cause of all the rouble that arises ! Lol
No vati…nevereva watched any desi serials. I am into history and love watching masterpiece theatre (PBS). What are rave parties (I know I am quite duh right?).
As far as bourgeois mores and values: the bourgeois always have kept the mores in the society and I would like to keep it that way; i would rather my child dance on bharatnatyam over chest thrushing/hip swinging desi hindi songs.
Moving on from DB & BHTB, Mani Kaul passed away recently. I don’t see any thread dedicated to him. Some SRK fans should remember him as the guy who directed him in Dostoyevsky’s adaptation of ‘The Idiot’. SRK’s Paheli was also a remake of Kaul’s ‘Duvidha’.
Lol Saket. 2 funny. This goes on to prove that not just movies, par sangati kaa bhi asar bura hota hai
Sorry Alex don’t mean to be mean to you but trying to prove a point 2 saket.
RGV compares Aamir to god!
By: IANS Date: 2011-07-07 Place: New Delhi
Filmmaker Ram Gopal Varma says he might not believe in god, but might soon start believing in actor-producer Aamir Khan! RGV is quite in awe of the star after the success of “Delhi Belly” and the variety that he manages to serve up in his films.
“Never believed in Ram, Jesus or Allah bt cing the variation cmng frm js 1 man frm lagaan 2 Tzp 2 DB I am seriously cnsdrng believing in Aamir,” Varma posted on micro-blogging site Twitter.
The film is minting money at the box office, and has managed to draw a lot of young audience. But Varma is yet to see it.
“Dint c as DB subject is nt 2 my taste bt its super hit status mks me fl lke an insect..so I js wnt 2 crawl undr a rock nd die a quiet death. The way he tuk such a subject matter nd made it a super hit it looks like ppl mt not trust God cmpletley bt they trust Aamir cmpletley,” he added.
Varma is currently in news for his desire to cast controversial Kannada actress Maria Susairaj in a film. The actress convicted of destroying evidence in the 2008 killing of television executive Neeraj Grover. She was awarded a three-year jail term but walked free Saturday as she had already served this as an undertrial.
Went to see BHTB 2nd time last night. Pune eSquare multiplex. 9:15 show.
Theatre was houseful.
I saw same response as last friday, everyone was cheering and clapping in lots of scenes. The only change in the movie was that Raveena Tandon's song was edited out. The additional sequences (charmi kaur-et-all) did not seem to bother anyone, everyone in the theatre enjoyed each and every moment from Bachchan saab's entry to Hema malini saying Buddha hoga tera baap.
People loved and laughed at each and every dialogue of Bachchan Saab.
Whatever is reviewed or said by Trade pundits, this one has already become a big one. From what I could see and hear pre-and post coming out of the theatre, people really loved the movie !! As they around this side - Fultu Timepass - Fundu movie hain - Bachchan solid hain Boss !!
and as in the box office story I posted last night from one of the channels everyone has the impression this is a hit. Talked to quite a few people in India who have me the same sense. Qalandar said as much too. The gap is as always because of the inadequate box office reporting.
Aamir thanks Akshat, Abhinay for Delhi Belly success
Delhi Belly has rocked the box office and an overwhelmed Aamir Khan, the producer of the adult comedy, gives maximum credit to writer Akshat Verma and director Abhinay Deo for delivering such an entertaining film.
Aamir enjoyed the public reaction in person by sneaking into different theatres in the city.
“Well, I am very happy to see that people are loving this film so much. I am going from theatre to theatre to see public reaction. It’s amazing to see houseful audiences laughing, whistling in the halls,” Aamir told reporters at the success bash here Wednesday night.
“The work that Akshat, Abhinay has done is praise worthy and the actors too pulled off their vision very well. I am thankful to them for giving such a wonderful film,” he added.
If the film is produced by Aamir, the youth-centric bold drama stars his nephew Imran in the lead role along with Vir Das and Kunal Roy Kapoor. Made at a budget of Rs.25 crore the film triumphed in the opening weekend by grossing over Rs.26 crore.
At the bash, Aamir walked up to every table and introduced all crewmembers and thanked them personally for making the film so successful.
Buoyed by the success of Delhi Belly, Aamir now wants to experiment with more unique ideas.
“I have always experiment with films so whenever I venture for films I make sure I don’t repeat myself. Every time I want to challenge myself doing unique films,” said the 46-year-old filmmaker who produced films like Peepli Live, Dhobi Ghat, Taare Zameen Par, Jaane Tu… Ya Jaane Na and Lagaan.
The invitees at the party were friends and families of Aamir as well as the crew members of the film.
Actor Anil Kapoor and screenplay writer Prasoon Joshi were spotted, but they only came to meet Aamir and didn’t interact with the media.
Surprisingly Aamir’s filmmaker wife Kiran Rao was also missing. When asked about her, Aamir said, “She is not in town.”
June 30, 2011 at 11:40 PM
Delhi Belly v Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap Screen Count
Friday 1st July 2010 09.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap has just edged out Delhi Belly in terms of theatres released as the latter gets 900 approx and former 950 approx but in terms of screens it is Delhi Belly which is ahead.
Delhi Belly will be released on 1200 screens in 900 theatres while Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap will release on 1000 screens in 950 theatres.
This is because many multiplexes have given 2-3 screens to Delhi Belly and Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap has one screen in most multiplexes with some giving it two screens.
June 30, 2011 at 11:40 PM
If this is true I am very pleased. It’s not the 500 screen number that was being talked about elsewhere.
June 30, 2011 at 11:51 PM
Yes, its a surprising and awesome news.
Is it possible that last minute(last week) changes being made here?
The Publicity costs of Bbuddah were same as DB, with Bbuddah even having more hoardings in Mumbai, so it made little sense to have a small opening.
Good News
June 30, 2011 at 11:54 PM
could be.. something these things are decided on at the 11th hour.. specially when some of the early screenings went well..
June 30, 2011 at 11:57 PM
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/multiplexes-hope-for-good-collection3-big-ticket-movies/440731/
July 1, 2011 at 12:21 AM
mentions 1000 screens here too but has 1550 for DB.
I think with 1000 screens we could be looking at some very big numbers..
July 1, 2011 at 2:18 AM
Remember Satyam, I said this is going to be big, and said the first week will be 50-60, I told you man, this is something special, What I saw few days ago, I was just spellbounded, THIS IS IT. Raja Sen just came out with his review giving it 4 starts (very odd of him) and recommends for this to be a franchise, just my thoughts. I think they will be coming out with a sequel to this, and let ABjr take over after the next one.Taking a day off from work tomm and watching shows back to back to back to back to back..lol
July 1, 2011 at 12:07 AM
Yes, actually the screen count is programmed tuesday/wednesday before release and nowadays since 60% of screens are digital/satellite , its very easy to multiply.(esp in single screens).
I think i heard Aamir also say the same in one of the recent interviews.
July 1, 2011 at 1:09 AM
meanwhile in the US….
http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3197&p=.htm
just returning from watching TDM. third transformer was even worse than the second. this franchise doesnt deserve the coveted july 4th weekend anymore. michael bay was probably drunk when he was making this movie. i saw this on a regular view and the special effects were great but damn there is no charisma like the first transformer had!!
July 1, 2011 at 1:16 AM
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tiger-trail/entry/bbuddah-baap-re-baap
July 1, 2011 at 1:49 AM
Raja Sen gives BHTB 4 stars
http://www.rediff.com/movies/review/review-bbuddah-hoga-tera-baap/20110701.htm
July 1, 2011 at 4:05 AM
Raja Sen 4 stars !!! – we rarely see
July 1, 2011 at 8:06 AM
http://www.rediff.com/movies/review/raja-sen-reviews-delhi-belly/20110701.htm
July 1, 2011 at 2:00 AM
its wet here today!
July 1, 2011 at 2:12 AM
hi, feverbaba.
July 1, 2011 at 2:16 AM
different strategies to be fact :
delhi belly in terms of pomotion wanna be the hangover type model ( with all cool vulgar lingo) and try to give that type of feel to elite audiences who have grown on dose of hollywood movies while bhuddha tends to work most on nostalgia
July 1, 2011 at 4:08 AM
Komal Nahta
Delhi Belly:
Will be loved and appreciated by the youth, though orthodox people will not like this. Very routine storyline. Songs do not come as regular songs and hence the thrill is not there. That is a minus point. There may be morchas against this film
Economics: It will make money
http://www.koimoi.com/videos/delhi-belly-video-review
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap:
Amitabh is fabulous, last 20 mins climax is superb, but the movie otherwise is lacking
Economics: Will reach safety due to low cost and Satellite prices, but will not be liked.
http://www.koimoi.com/videos/bbuddah-hoga-terra-baap-video-review
July 1, 2011 at 4:27 AM
Gemini-Gaiety: Bbuddah 12noon show: Housefull!! Only seetis and claps all around!!!
July 1, 2011 at 4:30 AM
Even in twitter, buzz is positive. It will pickup by night shows.
July 1, 2011 at 7:50 AM
LOL, the trade is upto its usual games.. ! They have mysteriously missed out on these shows!
July 1, 2011 at 2:34 AM
in india its still a risk to produce models like lock stock and two smoking barrels( on which delhi belly is actually so called inspired ) and later hangover)…
so called vulgar lingo as part of coolness is strictly limited to teenagers and college going crowd only
July 1, 2011 at 2:37 AM
Amitiji twwets that it could be his first HIT after 2 decades..I’am sure he mentioned this on the heat of the moment…Or did he not consider BLACK, PAA, SARKAR, BAGHBAAN which I thought were his solo outings. I know Black, Paa, Sarkar were given a average/above average tag from trade pundits ( although I disagree) but wasn’t BAGBAAN a clean HIT ..Anyways this can be discussion for another day..now it is BHTB fever..let us embrace and enjoy the moment.
July 1, 2011 at 3:36 AM
looks like both films are going to work well.
July 1, 2011 at 4:16 AM
BHTB has taken poor start at bo as expected and the reports are not encouraging.So forget about any pick up and i m sure the movie ll be out of theatres from Monday onwards.Now there ll be lot of fights on this site just to prove that BHTB is a hit and BOI ll be riduculed.
July 1, 2011 at 4:28 AM
have u got numbers? how u know that its a poor start?
July 1, 2011 at 4:36 AM
Just check http://www.boxofficeindia.com and Taran Adarash’s nos ll also be posted in couple of hours.
July 1, 2011 at 4:29 AM
Satyam any news about the opening how its going?
July 1, 2011 at 4:32 AM
Rajesh….The movies you mentioned were vever clear hits BO wise.Who can say better than Mr.Bachchan about it.I am always thrashed on this site for such things.Thank God “aaj Doodh ka Dhhodh aur Paani ka Paani ho gaya aur Mahanayak ne khud bola ki pechlae bees saal mein koi hit nahi di”.
July 1, 2011 at 4:43 AM
A comment on the bbuddah review:
Big B Mania
by vijay (View MyPage) on Jul 01, 2011 11:40 AM | Hide replies
I am just outside famous theatre of Bhopal. A long que waiting for the tickets. No taker for Delhi Belly. Shows the power of BIGB
http://www.rediff.com/movies/review/review-bbuddah-hoga-tera-baap/20110701.htm
July 1, 2011 at 7:12 AM
seems another version of Go meera will be released next week.
juniorbachchan:
wait till you see the other version. Will add it next week! You’ll go mad!!!
July 1, 2011 at 6:05 AM
Great to hear all the positive comments.
Why is everyone here upset by RGV’s comment about AB?
It’s a style now, I’m sure.
It will now be the way people are going to talk. Already MSDhoni here felt free to do so.
People (like me) who objected to all this are being branded as ‘prudes’ and ‘orthodox’, wheras I feel it is unwise to take a step in this direction, because of where it will lead to.
And they are branding themselves as cool, modern, youth, progressive.
It’s a shame that Amir knowing it will all be accepted just because it comes from him, didn’t show proper responsibility. But arrogance derived from success has made him so creepily underhand. , His statement, if people don’t critize/thrash this film then we have gone wrong somewhere (something like this) – gawwd, so nauseously chaalu.
I would say he’s beaten SRK in many things, including his ‘unrootedness’.
*Now I’m running away, before satyam and co. come down like a ton of bricks, and start talking about SRK and vulgarity, which at least didn’t make anyone repeat it, neither did it become an anthem for anyone as DKBose is declared to be.*
July 1, 2011 at 6:26 AM
PS: The ‘Amir factor’ is so blindly followed that Deepika P went with her father and sister to watch it.
I can now imagine the father sitting between his daughters and looking at the screen…. and watching.
Who says its not for families. LOL!
July 1, 2011 at 7:56 AM
So you are going to blame Aamir for what RGV tweeted?? Behan Ji….kya Aamir ne phichle janam mein tumhara paisa khaya tha?
July 1, 2011 at 7:58 AM
Oldgold thinks characters using these words in a film is the same thing as RGV doing it off screen with Bachchan. Pretty appalling logic but I am hardly surprised. Meanwhile SRK tells a female journalist in ‘real life’ that he can pull his pants down and jokes about ‘Muslims’ in this context. But Oldgold doesn’t have a word to say about this. Sure Delhi Belly is the bigger issue!
July 1, 2011 at 1:44 PM
>But Oldgold doesn’t have a word to say about this.
I don’t believe you’re saying this. I think I made it very clear several times in earlier discussions that I find it vulgar.
It’s my opinion that what’s going on in DB is more so.
You want me to change my opinion?
July 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM
The problem is Oldgold you said it once and you moved on. With DB you keep repeating again and again as if the words used in this film are the greatest threat to Indian (and human) civilization since SRK’s debut (LOL, couldn’t resist this..!). I can see your perspective here and it’s fine. But c’mon, it’s not as if DB will suddenly make the culture coarse. I can assure you that if anything DB is way behind the curve when it comes to the way its target audience really talks. Not kidding at all. It’s like someone asked bachchan in an interview if his films encouraged violence and he said violence wasn’t invented in the late 20th century with his films! So one can criticize certain moves without making them ‘metaphysical’ when the evidence clearly argues for the opposite. Personally I don’t have an issue with DB in this sense. I also think though that using certain words are what certain bourgeois audiences find more offensive than anything else. This is the point I made to RGV earlier today. By going in the opposite direction he too remains enframed by the same set of bourgeois concerns. He wants to shock and offend. One must outgrow this juvenile instinct. But similarly there is a lot else that is offensive in Hindi cinema that no one seems to mind. When the Gujarati stereotype in KHNH said ‘cock’ for ‘coke’ and ‘hole’ for ‘hall’ and so on, all in very suggestive contexts no one complained. Isn’t this kind of innuendo even worse? But leaving aside language the ‘family values’ crowd never has a problem with the way actresses are dressed on screen (not just today but even in older times and including in some family-friendly films). I could keep multiplying these examples. I understand there are cultural mores. But that’s not a deeper argument. Similarly if you’re offended by this stuff that’s fine but when you make it the be all and end all of everything and when it’s Aamir attached to the project allow me to be a little skeptical! So yes I have to bring up that SRK example all the time because in a public venue it really went far beyond the pale. I have never seen or heard another star do something remotely close. Of course the media completely ignored all of this. You do the same. Just saying it once doesn’t man anything when you’re otherwise picking on fictional characters for using certain kinds of language!
July 1, 2011 at 2:20 PM
You have to see IIFA-2011 where they talk about Pammi
July 1, 2011 at 2:50 PM
LOL, I can only wonder!
July 1, 2011 at 8:49 AM
Seems the Buddha opening is not as good as it threatened to be from the look of things. Has released in v v few European plexds (if at all)
As I have been saying from the start, releasing with DB won’t help at all….
Ps-” Behan Ji….kya Aamir ne phichle janam mein tumhara paisa khaya tha?”
Forget about Aamir and DG and Buddha ….
Oldgold won’t be happy at being called “behanji”.
Lol
From whatever I know about the indian lingo, “behanji” is not only a “respectful” way of addressing– correct menif I’m wrong though bout the latest!!!
It has some other connotations which oldgold won’t be happy with lol…
Unlike me, others here have not seen her “non behanji” style …..lol
July 1, 2011 at 8:52 AM
in the overseas they didn’t make any effort. I made this point many times on Bachchan’s blog. The marketing at least in the US has been more or less non-existent and the screen count is also low. In Manhattan for example it’s just playing on one screen when every other film plays on two.
July 1, 2011 at 9:11 AM
Y only one screen in manhattan and so few in the states?
Dont think amidabh in this sort of avtaar is an insignificant overseas star like some others!– even now.
Also–The reluctance in changing release dates was always irritatIng.
It is difficult But NOT impossible to find a “clear week” to release by moving it a few weeks earlier or later— I think!!
Whatever movie it is, DB comes with aamirs credibility skill holy nurtured over more than a decade and this is currently at it’s peak. Uly would u like to take it head on. Agree that a weeks or so around were full, but what about moving it by a few weeks .
Thats where the burning intent(or lack of it– here of the coproducers viacom) comes thru….
July 1, 2011 at 9:13 AM
I have no idea but I brought it up many times.. even went to the extent of saying that suburban screens are also important as most people don’t drive to the city for a movie.
July 1, 2011 at 9:11 AM
I only meant in the most respectful way….I may disagree with oldisgold a lot but it’s never personal. Behanji means Behanji.
July 1, 2011 at 4:01 PM
<So you are going to blame Aamir for what RGV tweeted??
Yes, I am.
It's not like he's learnt anything new.
It's this easy way of using the language publicly, for someone, which is absolutely a result of glorifying it into a larger than life fun and cool thing in DB.
It's like during a communal riot when people are killing each other, many use the opportunity to take personal revenge.
July 1, 2011 at 4:13 PM
So RGV of all people is not responsible for his own actions/statements. It’s a film that’s making him do this. Oh well.. at least Aamir has that kind of influence. SRK I guess couldn’t have that sort of impact when he made circumcision jokes in public with a female journalist.
July 1, 2011 at 8:53 AM
Oldgold you only need to run away from your unfairness.. and I don’t think you can outpace the latter! Ever!
July 1, 2011 at 9:14 AM
As for oldgold, I’m currently “handling” her with kidgloves… Lol
And she doesn’t mind…hahahah
July 1, 2011 at 6:25 AM
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap Has Poor Opening
Friday 1st July 2011 13.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap had a poor opening at multiplexes of around 10-15%, the single screens were a bit better at around 20-25%.
The film will have to have a big turnaround to score at the box office but early reports are not encouraging.
The film has better chances at small centres but even here opening is too low and big jump is needed.
The film has low costs so should cover costs through non theatrical rights like Satellite and Home Video but will find it very tough to score theatrically at the box office
July 1, 2011 at 7:44 AM
Delhi Belly Opens Very Well
Friday 1st July 2011 12.30 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Delhi Belly has opened very well this morning with collections on average around 70% at multiplexes. In Delhi NCR the opening was very strong as many prime multiplexes opened to full houses. Pune and Bangalore also opened to excellent houses.
Mumbai city always has lower occupancies due to a huge number of multiplexes and screenings but even here Delhi Belly was strong with 70% at some properties. The first day total collections will be huge from Mumbai city.
Multiplexes in places like Rajasthan, CP, CI were lower at 40-45% but even that is good for this type of film. The single screen opening is also similar with the big city single screens opening well while other centres taking average opening. The first day will put up big numbers on strength of the big circuits like Mumbai, Delhi/UP and East Punjab with Mysore and West Bengal also collecting very strongly.
July 1, 2011 at 7:46 AM
B.O. update: ‘Delhi Belly’ opens very well, ‘Bbuddah H.T.B.’ starts slow
- By Taran Adarsh, July 1, 2011 – 17:00 IST
The writing was clear on the wall, much before the release of DELHI BELLY and BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP. It was a foregone conclusion that DELHI BELLY would take a big lead on Friday due to two major factors: Aamir Khan’s brand value and smashing music. And that’s precisely how the morning and noon show trends were on Friday across India.
DELHI BELLY opened very well across the country [opened at 1200 screens], with the plexes of major centres reporting 70% to 90% occupancy. The opening response at single screens was in 50% to 60% range [at places, lower], which is also a good figure, considering the number of screens this film has opened at. The business seems to be growing rapidly with every show, with the youth patronizing the film in a big way. DELHI BELLY is expected to post excellent numbers on Day 1, while the Saturday and Sunday numbers are expected to be humungous as well, since the reports are fantastic.
As for the economics, DELHI BELLY has cost its makers less than Rs 30 cr [incl P & A] and though the amount is on the higher side, recovering it shouldn’t be an issue given the terrific start of the film and also the revenue it is expected to generate from non-theatrical avenues.
As predicted by this writer in the review of the film on Thursday itself, BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP got badly affected by the omnipotent and unstoppable DELHI BELLY wave all over. The opening numbers of BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP [which opened at approx 1000 screens] ranged between 15% – 20% – 25%, although a few centres reported better occupancy, especially the single screens in the Hindi heartland. The business will have to multiply furiously from Friday evening onwards if it has to stay afloat at the box-office. The reports are good, but the appreciation needs to translate into numbers.
The advantage with BBUDDAH HOGA TERRA BAAP is its reasonable cost [Rs 21 cr to Rs 22 cr; inclusive of Bachchan Sr and Puri Jagannadh's remuneration and also P & A expenses]. The Satellite Rights and Music Rights have fetched Rs 14.75 cr and the remainder amount has to be recovered from India and Overseas theatrical, Home Video and Digital rights, which shouldn’t be an issue. But a good theatrical run is of paramount importance!
July 1, 2011 at 7:56 AM
This too is very wishy-washy on Bbuddah though of course way better than the BOI hatchet job. It’s all par for the course. First off I don’t buy these numbers as an average at all. But in any case it should get stronger with every show.
By the way Aamir says he’s spent 35 crores on DB, more than he wanted to. Here Taran says DB cost less than 30. Meanwhile Bachchan says they made BBuddah for 10.5 crores. Taran has hacked it up to 22 crores! By the way what remuneration is Bachchan taking here? It’s his own film. Whatever he gets comes later with profits.
July 1, 2011 at 7:58 AM
wrong release timing could kill the even good film. bachchans have to realize this.
July 1, 2011 at 8:06 AM
Abhishek is on twitter with Taran
taran_adarsh sorry TARAN. But the figure you have is incorrect. That is not the cost.
July 1, 2011 at 8:07 AM
glad he’s doing so! Taran says he got them from Viacom. Abhishek responds he’s sending the right ones.
July 1, 2011 at 8:08 AM
Regardless of the fact whether BOI and Taran are lying or not, Bachchan should not have releases it with DB. BHTB would have fared much better if it was a solo release. Even the youth would have taken to it because after all, it’s a full masala entertainment. It’s obvious that majority wants to see DB in India and most paying public does not watch 2 movies on one weekend.
July 1, 2011 at 8:12 AM
They can always watch 2 movies one after another.
So we can wait till tuesday.
Example Lagaan and Gaddar.
July 1, 2011 at 8:17 AM
In twitter, buzz is good.
July 1, 2011 at 8:18 AM
Lagaan and Gadar happens once every 10 or 15 years. Unless it’s a festive season like Diwali or something. The collections on Monday will show this picture
July 1, 2011 at 8:31 AM
Don’t really buy this at all. Saawariya had a huge weekend, it then completely flopped but OSO didn’t stop it. JeM had a weak opening but Don started out very sluggish too. Eventually Don got better, JeM didn’t but didn’t get worse either. Welcome and TZP released on the same day.
Obviously competition affects the gross of any film but I have never seen a case of a film that would otherwise have been a hit become a flop because of competition.
And today more than ever with the target multiplex audience they either show up for a film or they don’t. In other words WOM too matters for films that this audience is already interested in to some degree.
July 1, 2011 at 8:24 AM
At that time, we didn’t have that much .piracy.These days you’ve to get max in first three days.
July 1, 2011 at 8:28 AM
not true at all.. even in 2001 everything was available on discs or videos right away. I remember the guy at the Indian store I go to telling me at the time that he had sold an awesome number of Lagaan DVDs. Not of the official kind! In India though cable piracy has probably become a bigger deal since.
July 1, 2011 at 8:33 AM
For the 1st time in over 12 years, I’m being forced to use my contacts & network to get a ticket for a Hindi movie on the 1st day #BHTbaap
July 1, 2011 at 8:36 AM
video piracy is different. it is available online from the day 1 , no need to move from house. It has affected overseas collections.
July 1, 2011 at 9:07 AM
Forget the fact that TZP and Welcome cannot be compared on any level and forget the fact that Welcome made 35 CR to TZP’s 15 in it’s first week, are you really suggesting that BHTB wouldn’t have made more money in it’s first weekend had it released solo?
We have numerous instances of 2 movies releasing on the same weekend but it’s an extremely rare case where they both make big moolah. Usually one suffers a lot. Now you can say that DB is not affecting BHTB’s business and obviously there is no way to prove it but I feel that both these movies cater to the same people (yes BHTB has enough for the youth as well) and Bachchans should have realized that DB was unstoppable and moved out of it’s way.
July 1, 2011 at 9:19 AM
No I did not say business isn’t affected by competition. Made that point explicit. What I do not agree with is that the market of a film vanishes with competition! And here I don’t see any evidence to the contrary. What about tons of movies that release every year without competition and still flop? In some cases there isn’t even more than a negligible audience. Also BBuddah and DB are like chalk and cheese in terms of starcast, genre and so on. The audience doesn’t really overlap here. The younger demographic that’s patronizing DB would never have showed up for BBuddah in a big way, at least in the initial round. Meanwhile the larger family audience will be very wary of DB for reasons of language and so on. So the audience subset that feels inclined to watch both is not a very big one. This doesn’t mean competition isn’t an issue. It’s just not the difference between a hit and a flop. I have never seen a single example to the contrary. Now there are some films that are advertised all wrong and released poorly and so on. That’s a different issue because such films don’t do anything even when they’re solo releases.
July 1, 2011 at 9:16 AM
BHTB does not have competition from DB as the latter has adult certificate.
The real competition is from Ready and Double Dhamaal as they are both for universal audience. Unless the steam for these 2 movies runs out completely, both DB and BHTB have to contend with lesser percentages.
July 1, 2011 at 9:21 AM
Ready is not a significant factor at this point, it’s more or less on its last legs. And DD faded heavily during the week itself.
July 1, 2011 at 9:25 AM
There may be significant numbers who may not like both these 2 new releases. They may still go the old releases.
July 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM
Guys…both BHTB and DB are full on masala entertainment. Forget this whole A certificate nonsense. That has NOTHING to with the competition. What I am saying is that the same youth that is watching DB this weekend would have watched BHTB on another weekend but may not do so since most in India do not wathc 2 movies in a weekend.
July 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM
and it’s not about BHTB flopping because of DB. It’s about BHTB making LESS money then it would have made on another weekend.
July 1, 2011 at 7:49 AM
classic BOI!
July 1, 2011 at 7:13 AM
July 1, 2011 at 8:36 AM
It should pick up, I wouldnt worry. Buzz is positive.
July 1, 2011 at 8:51 AM
not worried.. just don’t think those numbers are accurate.. they pick and choose depending on how they want to represent things.
July 1, 2011 at 9:02 AM
I saw it today and occupancy was 50% ..
Loved the movie, Big B is BAAP.He carried whole movie on his shoulder .. This is ONE MAN SHOW .. All the way.
few glitches here and there .. But at the end, all comes out smiling ..
July 1, 2011 at 8:49 AM
Believe it or not, this is what RGV tweeted 16 hours ago on twitter:
“Just watched Bbhuddah nd am. angry with bacchan that hes such a chootiyaa not to do films like this nd am such a lund not to realize this “
July 1, 2011 at 8:50 AM
we had a whole debate on this yesterday!
July 1, 2011 at 8:53 AM
Ohhkay.. so its already making news..
he later retweeted..
“Function of language is 2 express a feeling.they were the the most apt words I could find to describe my feelings after watching Bbhuddah”
and then,….
“And in the times of Bose D K I think this is the correct language..I really thank Aamir for taking the lid off nd forcing india to grow up “
July 1, 2011 at 9:09 AM
RGV took lessons from AK. As if Indians were prude and never used a bad word before. Just go to TOI and Rediff movie comments pages. You will know how the moderators encourage expletives, colorful language. Abuse is welcomed with open arms.
July 1, 2011 at 9:24 AM
Vati…ironically….the day before blog of bigb had a beautiful poem on “words” (Shabdh). As much as I *know* RGV, I think he was trying some underhand stunt. We cannot take everything at facevalue. Junior being removed from his film, bigb doing film of a director that worked under RGV…compliment someone and give gali in same line…sounds very jarring!! Rediff always removes ugly comments (not sure if your claim that they are welcome is correct). Also under rediff/toi people are anonymous. No one will give galis khulum-khulla, with their known IDs. In any society, youngsters will always use *bad/shocking* language (along with smoking/drinking)…they are rebelling you know. But once people grow up, such behaviour also falls off. RGV needs to grow up!!
July 1, 2011 at 9:38 AM
hi dimps, where were you?
Knowing RGV, I am not surprised, But this time he crossed the limits. But he cannot use AK for his slip.
July 1, 2011 at 9:40 AM
Its a long weekend for you in US.
July 1, 2011 at 9:12 AM
my responses:
“I certainly understood it was meant to be a compliment. I just think it’s in bad taste.”
“Language also carries with it ‘responsibility’.”
“Also it’s the most bourgeois attitude in the world to use ‘bad language’ and think one has been very subversive.”
“Polemics or resistance must find a worthier language, a worthier stance.”
“Of course I’d argue that the ‘compliment’ isn’t completely one. It depends on one doing Bbuddah or else…!”
July 1, 2011 at 9:27 AM
I would add here (in addition to what I have already said before on rgvs comment yesterday )
This is different from an anonymous poster posting something in the comments section of a particular news piece on rediffmail/ toi
And a known person (as visible as rgv) posting in his name on twitter on a general access domain and getting away with it.
Don’t even agree with the “complement” bit– if he is so pally with amitAbh and indulges in toilet humour with him( which I think is unlikely) he could have texted or emailed him.
But there is something sick about tweeting it and then clarifying.
It’s like posting some girls morphed pic in the net and later clarifying that u suspect that it is “photoshopped”!!!
No rgv — that’s not done and if u was in amitabhs place , would have really made him pay hard irrespective of his “proximity”
Unfortunately people don’t have an undrstanding or the reach, purview o the various avenues of social interaction of the net.
The problems with Facebook and twitter are much more than estimated for eg the changing “relationship status” on Facebook is something that folks will bs quick to realise is problematic
Have seen people losing their jobs (&made sure some lose them) when they posted “sensitive” info on the www!!!
Also sometimes it is difficult to handle unwanted attention lol
July 1, 2011 at 9:30 AM
Typo–”if I was in amitabhs place”— lol
What attitude– innit!!
July 1, 2011 at 9:31 AM
No, I differ. It was not a compliment and not even meant to be a compliment. It was a proclamation from an empty pot/vessel making the most noise. There is an attitude of him showing he is superior to puri and he owns AB & puri for just accommodate the meeting betn them.
July 1, 2011 at 9:49 AM
Yes Pradeep .. That’s the point!
Also think bachchan is guilty here of allowing abuse here. Don’t recall swear words being used for anyone on twitter fb etc from a non anonymous source like this for anyone , leave alone bachchan!!!
Those sending soft tweets/ posts bout / to rgv need to get hardcore ESP those who claim to be his fans .
As someone pointed out( was it oldgold ) Srk pulled his OWN pants down– he didn’t abuse a person of bachchans age stature on a public platform .
In short — I’ve not enjoyed this at all and wouldve reacted the same even if Srk was at the receiving end( but can’t comment bout not enjoying it though )
July 1, 2011 at 8:55 AM
Realized this satyam.. didnt know which topic the debate occured in..
Btw.. Not a love story promo is here:
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/broadband/video/Movie-Promos/EdFerT74/3/Promo-1-Not-A-Love-Story.html
July 1, 2011 at 9:10 AM
that promo is up in a separate post here, was put up yesterday or earlier.
On that thread:
http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/image-from-bbuddah-hoga-tera-baap/#comment-97070
also see my response here:
http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/bachchan-1154/#comment-97111
July 1, 2011 at 9:00 AM
Think someone needs to “open the lid” on rgvs ….
As wel and use a bamboo technique. And then rgv should then subsequently thank that person to help him “grow up”
Wel cum 2 passive adulthood !! Lol
Ps can already see his brainwave . Surviving this one will embolden him and as he mentioned recently, he is itching to come up with an offensive 1 on ash…
Cmon people don’t even spare preganant women.
Ash effectively seems to have lost on the film “heroine” after the preg news– this can actually be a human rights issue and discrimination issue (although bhandarkar may argue otherwise that ash kel him in the” dark”)
Read some were that ash is being suspected of using IVF to get a baby boy!!!!
Cmon spare poor ash– she needs my shoulder now–lol
July 1, 2011 at 10:00 AM
that IVF nonsense is spread by some Bhairavi goswami… she is a Wannabe celebrity…..
Its so easy today…. vomit hatred and u r a celebrity…. in whole wide world…. some do take ki modal knows dat Ash went for IVF…. hope she gets her 15 mins of fame… and a new Poonam pandey is born
July 1, 2011 at 10:11 AM
and now she is denying it… sayin my laptop was stolen few days ago…. i dnt have a laptop…. it is posted by someone else
July 1, 2011 at 10:12 AM
it could have been a cheap publicity stunt of bhairavi but it does take quite a bit of balls to write against established film industry family..no smoke, no fire. IVF is not uncommon especially if you are above 35 or closing 40. Lot of my family members/relatives too have had several rounds of IVF treatments, so I know. Anyhow it is there personal mamala not a tamasha for public.
July 1, 2011 at 10:39 AM
This country and it’s people… they even questioned the Character of Sita…
@ dimps…. people like u suspected even smoke there…
kehtey hain na….ek aurat doosri aurat ki khushi bardasht nahi kar sakti
July 1, 2011 at 9:04 AM
The release date is also important. Shaitan is well crafted movie but it lost due to competition from Ready.
As Satyam insisted, instead of Raveena they could have chosen someone like Katrina. It would have made such an interesting and novel pairing.
Ready, Double Dhamaal and now Delhi Belly.
This points to the new generation of filmgoers who may dictate terms in future. This generation is quite young with lots of money and seek an outlet whether it is a movie, whether it is a fight against establishment. Thus ZNMD may be a winner atleast in the initial stages while Karan’s new Agneepath may not work.
July 1, 2011 at 9:17 AM
How ready became new generation movie? DB type of moves always sell with youth.
July 1, 2011 at 9:20 AM
Because of Salman’s reinvention. He has made a perfect jump.
July 1, 2011 at 10:12 AM
Reinvention happened from wanted or dabaang. Wanted is remake of South film. We can not make every BO hit as new generation.
July 1, 2011 at 2:07 PM
Rangan on BO
Who cares how much money a movie makes? Everyone apparently – even the audience.
http://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/lights-camera-conversationfiguring-out-figures/
July 1, 2011 at 2:09 PM
““Celebrating 27 Super Hit Days,” screams an ad for Salman Khan’s Ready. If this were the last film playing at the last theatre left on earth on the last day before the apocalypse, I doubt I’d want to watch it.”
LOL!
July 1, 2011 at 9:17 AM
This movie will work anyways .. No one can stop good movie to get its due .. Yes we have exceptions, but i am sure Bbuddah will not be one of them .. From tomorrow Bbuddah collections will increase to another level ..
July 1, 2011 at 9:18 AM
And moreover, DB is not liked by junta .. its is getting mixed feedback .. on extreme side .. so most probably it will crash in a day or two ..
July 1, 2011 at 9:32 AM
It’s def. not crashing on the weekend. Monday is another story but even if it does then a 30 CR week is still a done deal.
July 1, 2011 at 9:50 AM
So confusing figures,on twitter and stuff people are saying they are watching #BHTBaap in full houses, the buzz is huge and extremely positive,yet box office india says otherwise, the film was even trending on twitter. And lol Taran Adarsh has been getting a backlash for arguing with Abhi over the cost, people are actually calling him fake!
Anyways as for here in South Africa,when we were booking on monday we were getting seats already fifth row from the back which does not happen often here,so looking good here!
Can’t wait to see it today!
July 1, 2011 at 10:11 AM
Filmifan— r u in durban or Perth??
Btw forget bo figures— was gettin a good deal– when is d best season for holiday there?
July 1, 2011 at 10:04 AM
This is now becoming very common. Every time a Bachchan film releases, the BO guys (boi, taran, boc, komal) report 20-30% but the members of this forum report 80-100% full halls. who do I believe?
July 1, 2011 at 10:07 AM
Raja sen’s 4 star
review: “http://www.rediff.com/movies/review/review-bbuddah-hoga-tera-baap/20110701.htm
July 1, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Delhi Belly:
Budget Approx 24 cr
P/P 8 cr
Total ~ 32 cr
Bbuddah:
Budget = 10.5 cr
VIACOM Acquisition/nominal producer fees = 4 cr
P/P = 8 cr
Total ~ 22 cr
Both movies will recover. DB can net upto 50 cr, the way it has opened., BHTB needs work to be done.
July 1, 2011 at 10:26 AM
@Alex adams I am in Durban,we love BigB here too!
Well right now it’s both school and university holidays so now’s a pretty good season for holidays here,only thing is it’s winter but the best season for holidays here is during Nov,Dec,Jan- sun’s out in full form and surf’s are up
July 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM
Thanks filmifan..
That’s what one needs — sunny dec jan!!!
So r u into surfing??
Also are the safaris any good?
July 1, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Haha nah not a surfer,but love the beachfront last year was tops with the whole soccer world cup fever and stuff!
Safari’s are awesome,Kruger National Park is the best,the Big 5, cheetah’s,hippo’s,crocs etc you’ll find em all there!
July 1, 2011 at 11:22 AM
Yo filmifan– thanks again
Just checking between Kenya and south Africa
Btw like the SA accent ESP on girls–presume u r a guy ?
As far as “value for money” and “variety on offer” which one would u go for– Kenya or SA
July 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM
Lol no actually I’m a girl! Glad u like our accent lol!
Well never been to Kenya but can tell you that SA has so much to offer, so being a South African shall proudly say that SA has both of which you enquired about above!
July 1, 2011 at 7:34 PM
thanx for that info filmifan..
Will definitely check out SA –besides one doesnt need visa formalities etc.
Also interesting to hear that buddha halls were full in SA whilst they are apparently far from full in india as per soemre ports but is not being shown in surope barring few exceptions…
July 1, 2011 at 10:34 AM
Koimoi:
Box Office: Delhi Belly Over Transformers & Bbuddah
July 1st, 2011 by Mrigank Dhaniwala
Delhi Belly Over Transformers & BbuddahAamir Khan’s Delhi Belly got off to a flying start on Friday (1 July) as it garnered around 40-70 % collections in the initial shows of the opening day. The comedy, which released in two versions – Hinglish and Hindi dubbed – received a good response for both the versions.
Transformers: Dark Of The Moon took the number two spot on Friday as far as collections are concerned. The Hollywood flick, which had released on Tuesday and Wednesday at many places, found favour with the audiences in both the English and Hindi dubbed versions.
The second Bollywood release of this week, the Amitabh Bachchan starrer Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap, managed percentage occupancies of 20 – 40 – 45.
July 1, 2011 at 10:35 AM
then people wonder why I protest so much.. the numbers are very different here. DB is in the 40-70% range not just the latter. Secondly Bbuddah goes upto 45% here which is very good all things considered. And single/double screens are probably much higher on average.
July 1, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Is this komal? This morning he gave that there is no hope for BHTB
July 1, 2011 at 10:40 AM
it’s from the site he writes on but it’s someone else.
these guys will have to eat their words on Bbuddah. Or not really! They’ll keep making excuses like ‘ran in single screens’ and what not. We’ve been seeing this for years.
July 1, 2011 at 10:43 AM
Goin for BUDDAH…. 9:40 show….m excited
July 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM
Lets wait for the numbers. The opening percentages don’t matter. If the film is good and has stars in it, its definitely gonna pick up over the weekend. From al the reports coming in, BHTB appears to be a good film and should definitely pick up. Lets see how it goes.
July 1, 2011 at 10:56 AM
Hilarious one
http://moifightclub.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/delhi-belly-bainchod-dus-saal-lag-gaye/
July 1, 2011 at 11:09 AM
taran has replied on abhishek’s comment:
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
Well, Viacom18 people are standing by the figures they gave me for ‘Bbuddah’. People need to get your facts right.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@
@juniorbachchan So why don’t you share the figures? And deny what your partners Viacom18 have to say.
»
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@
@juniorbachchan Strange! The figures have been shared by Viacom18, your partners
July 1, 2011 at 11:19 AM
LOL! guys check abhishek tweets,he is fighting with some fans rofl
http://twitter.com/#!/juniorbachchan
kya din aa gaye bichaare ke
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@TwiSheets and I wish your children all the success when they grow up and start working. And I hope they manage to make you proud…
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @iMD_Hrithik main bahut achi tarah jaanta hoon. Aur usse bahut khush hoon. Aap kyu bechain ho rahe ho.
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @iMD_Hrithik wonder what your family had to go through!!!! Oh … I wonder
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @Bananaji GO TO SLEEP!!!
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@Vinnutter @bol_blogger kyunki aap ek ache insaan hain
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@vivekkrishnani vivek, you’re just proving how old you are!!!! hahaha
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@iMD_Hrithik @rgvzoomin u sent a msg so you got a reply. It’s called good manners. Obviously something u haven’t been taught at home.
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@iMD_Hrithik “just shut up?” is that the best you can do? And don’t worry about @RGVzoomin he has enough to worry about himself.
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan
@@iMD_Hrithik mirchi to main bahut khaata hoon.
This one takes the cake and deserves special mention:
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan@Satyamk thank you my friend
some tweets from taran
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
Well, Viacom18 people are standing by the figures they gave me for ‘Bbuddah’. People need to get your facts right.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@@juniorbachchan So why don’t you share the figures? And deny what your partners Viacom18 have to say.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@@juniorbachchan Strange! The figures have been shared by Viacom18, your partners.
this tweet proves why abhishek is a masochist!
juniorbachchan Abhishek Bachchan @ @manojlonar @imd_hrithik am enjoying the great interaction!!
July 1, 2011 at 11:25 AM
@ feverbaba
u have no life…..
tumhare liye ek hi baat…
kya din aa gaye hain bichare feverbaba k
July 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM
LOL thanks for ur compliment!
July 1, 2011 at 11:38 AM
we have our own @RGVZOOMIN now
July 1, 2011 at 11:33 AM
The above exchange which abhishek is indulging in illustrates the problems with twitter . Obviously the problems r there only If u r somebody. If u r a nobody, there is nothing to lose– the ” nobody” syndrome
Ps feverbaba– nice name
July 1, 2011 at 11:36 AM
the corrupt trade guy who is notorious for messing around with box office numbers is telling the producer of the movie what his movie costs…
July 1, 2011 at 11:49 AM
yeah..!
July 1, 2011 at 11:24 AM
“Guys tried booking my tickets in 3 halls in Indirapuram, Ghazaibad for BHTBaap…all housefull…More happy than sad…
Sholay was wrtitten off from day 1….what a concidence
Shankar”
July 1, 2011 at 11:28 AM
@ arun
also mention the flake taran is recieving…. or u have one sided story only…. taran has lost his credibility…
July 1, 2011 at 11:51 AM
See Taran’s recent tweet…
Over the years I have seen the massive egos getting punctured when film-makers/actors learn that their films start on 15% to 20% note.
Seems like he is directing this right at the Bachchan’s.
I’m really confused… Who to believe as far the opening #’s are concerned and the budget is concerned.
Hard to believe that Bachchan’s would be lying about the total budget, but then what would Viacom gain by making it up either?
Bachchan’s credibility is under question.
Hard to digest this as a Bachchan’s fan.
-Mahesh
July 1, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Taran is as corrupt as everyone else. Don’t take what he says so seriously. Others make 50 crore films and those enter recovery more easily than Bachchan’s 10 crore films! This is how it works. Costs are jacked up. Accounting is done in different ways and so forth. This is a game. Nothing more. To come up with certain kinds of verdicts later.
July 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Looking at the extensive publicity that was done for BHTB, total cost has to be around 20Cr… Film will need to do 35-40 Cr at BO to get a hit tag….
July 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM
So the film has to double its total cost? I’m fine with this standard if it is applied honestly to every other film out there. But of course it isn’t!
July 1, 2011 at 12:41 PM
actually AB tweeted a few weeks ago when asked on twitter if the cost included the publicity and he answered… “yes”!
July 1, 2011 at 12:52 PM
Taran is an ass but there is no way in hell that BHTB cost 10.5 CR including P & P.
July 1, 2011 at 1:41 PM
No..what we are saying is that Abishekh is not reporting the exact figure.
July 1, 2011 at 1:46 PM
AndhraBoxOffice AndhraBoxOffice.Com
It is very Sad that Bolly audience have lapped up some abusive ‘Shit’ but not Bbuddah on Day1. Hopefully BHTB Picks up soon.
But, Bbuddah outshined Delhi Belly in AP. 4 Shows Full in all main Hyd, Vja & Vizag theatres.
July 1, 2011 at 1:49 PM
Ted,
Dont worry. Let them play hanky panky for now. They will report an uptick tomorrow.
July 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM
10 Cr including publicity?? Then film must have cost only 2-3 Cr… is that even possible?
July 1, 2011 at 1:20 PM
publicity… how much publicity has bbuddah really had? in india its been good…but not in all the centres….overseas has had nothing ito publicity!!! You guys are speculating…. are you trying to say that abhishek doesn’t know what his film cost him?
July 1, 2011 at 1:21 PM
yeah was going to say that myself.. there’s nothing extraordinary they’ve spent on publicity even in India..
July 1, 2011 at 2:00 PM
What we are saying is that Abishekh is not reporting the exact figures. How can Adarsh quote guys from Viacom and be this confident? And this wouldn’t exactly be the first time that a producer is not telling the correct number for his movie.
July 1, 2011 at 2:05 PM
But where is Adarsh’s proof? Why are you accepting his word as the gospel truth when you know the kinds of games he plays all the time? But even if Abhishek made a mistake I’ve already addressed why this debate is pointless without accounting for all other films where people quote all sorts of things and get a free pass.
July 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM
It’s really easy to end this nonsense…Since Adarsh is getting his figures from Viacom, let them release a statement with the actual figures.
July 1, 2011 at 1:10 PM
Yes, that is right but let me try to put this in perspective and so repetition.
Doga, probably meant P & A (Prints and Advertising) and not P & P.
Prints are the actual physical film and cost of it directly related to number of prints and has no connection with smallness or bigness of the film. In other words if both has same number of prints then the cost of both goes up by the same margin. I don’t know whether this is the norm to add this cost or Taran started a new trend with this movie? For ‘Paa’ he never brought up this or questioned it similar low budget.
Now, on advertising I do recall AB categorically saying it is inclusive of total 10 crore budget.
July 1, 2011 at 12:44 PM
It’s taran’s word against Abhishek….. one the producer and the other a corrupt trade analyst who claims that viacom has mentioned the figure he has… just like it took him forever to accept that bnb was a hit….!!! For the Bachchan’s the trade guys are always out with their knives…perhaps if they wined and dined these egotistical trade guys….it would be a different story!!!
July 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM
The Budget is right(10.5) , Bachchan didnt lie, but Budget is not the total cost.
There are acquisition costs and p/p costs.
Every movie has that and only total costs are considered, not the COP(cost of production)
Perhaps Abhishek was expecting Taran to just state the Budget but Taran here is right.
There is no way Abhishek can reply back to him with regards to total costs, because costs are indeed 22 cr or so.
Funny thing is even this is a very small number and is going to be easily recovered.
Viacom already got 14.75 cr from Satellite/Music, they only need like 8 cr more which is nothing from India,Overseas,DVD etc.
Is Abhishek trying to imply that the movie didnt need to release to be profitable,ie its direct to DVD movie?
I would say probably Abhishek erred on impulse here.
July 1, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Don’t think he erred because the picture being presented is misleading. A 10 crore film goes up to 22 crores in terms of total costs. But elsewhere 30 or 40 or 50 crore films also go up by just that very same margin! How is that possible? So Aamir spent 35 crores on DB by his own words. What’s Taran saying? That it’s under 30! Forget the total costs, he’s actually under the number Aamir provided (even using his earlier 30 crore claim).
I’ve said this many times before and I’ve not got a convincing answer from anyone in all these years. Don’t give me numbers on any one film or the other. It doesn’t make sense that a 45 crore film costs 55 with all costs included and then a 10 crore film also costs the very same. So if one is going to say 22 crores for Bbuddah let’s bring up the ‘real’ numbers for other mega-productions. All round.
There is no answer. None whatsoever. Because it’s not an honest system. And unfortunately many buy into it also. what happens is something like this: someone will say BBuddah cost 10 crores and with all other costs included it was 22 crores. When it’s a bigger film it’s something along the lines of ‘film cost 45 crores, additional costs 15 crores, total 60 crores, sold for… and so on’. But what’s the problem here? The fact that those ‘additional’ numbers suddenly become comparable for the 10 crore and the 45 crore film. Much as the moment films hit 70 or 80 crores or whatever they’re all hits and no one really considers the much greater costs involved. Then these numbers start popping up — x for satellite rights, y for audio rights. At no stage of the process is any number verified or even verifiable. So does one just take it at face value?
And so with the likes of Taran all kinds of math and every different arguments are presented to make certain films successes of some sort and others not depending on the agenda in each instance. Suddenly a Bachchan film comes up. Whether it’s BnB or Guru, Sarkar Raj or DMD, Paa or Bbbuddah — irrespective of the performance the very same box office reports are presented (almost to the last word), the very same games are played and so on. Elsewhere all kinds of films become all kinds of successes with all kinds of dubious mathematical claims.
In this environment if Abhishek insists on his ‘budget’ he is entirely right to do so. How is it that DB and BBuddah according to Taran are just separated by some crores at the end of it all when there’s a difference of 25 crores on the budget? The fact that DB was on paper the hotter film is reflected in every sense from the screen count to what not. But suddenly when it’s about the economics they’re not that far apart! So I know what the claims are in every instance. But they make NO sense when you put it all together.
Similarly with Ghajini the big budget and so on became an issue when it was the first film to gross so much. Meanwhile tons of other films settle down in the 60-70 range and no one says much about their budgets or anything. Again I know what numbers are presented in each case. But they seem absurd. It’s like an old sparring partner I had once tried to prove to me that the distribution costs of KANK were not that different from those of UJ! Here too numbers were provided. I didn’t believe them!
I say this to everyone. Don’t expect me to accept numbers on good faith. Show me some evidence or at least show me a credible model.
Getting back to Bbuddah yes even the 22 crore figure is very low but people who insist on the higher number for one film and the lower one for another are generally doing so for certain reasons. So it’s never just about the numbers.
July 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM
Aamir confirmed 25 crore budget. rest is P&P (where it reaches 35). But yes a 25 crore movie and 10 crore movie P&P would be different just because of scale.
July 1, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Doga, probably meant P & A (Prints and Advertising) and not P & P.
Prints are the actual physical film and cost of it directly related to number of prints and has no connection with smallness or bigness of the film. In other words if both has same number of prints then the cost of both goes up by the same margin. I don’t know whether this is the norm to add this cost or Taran started a new trend with this movie? For ‘Paa’ he never brought up this or questioned it similar low budget.
Now, on advertising I do recall AB categorically saying it is inclusive of total 10 crore budget.
July 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Delhi Belly:
Critics rating 75%
Twitter rating 57%
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap
Critics rating 60%
Twitter rating 80%
http://www.muvi.com/
July 1, 2011 at 12:06 PM
Lol…..Every member here is trying to become a trade analyst and is playing with nos of BHTB.This has become a routine matter here on this site,whenever a big b movie releases and when trade sites put their nos the Bachchan fanatics get belly aching by facing reality.
July 1, 2011 at 12:30 PM
Nikhat kazmi on DB and BBuddah:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/movie-reviews/hindi/Delhi-Belly/moviereview/9049864.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/moviereview/9052086.cms
July 1, 2011 at 12:43 PM
IBNLive
An Hour with Big B
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/164184/vintage-big-b-return-of-the-angry-young-man.html
July 1, 2011 at 1:35 PM
The previous one month has seen all kinds of controversies surrounding the film industry.
First it was SRK’s below-the-belt act when he attempted to impress the journalist with the so called humour
Then there was discussion about the crass factor in DK Bose
Then some people thinking Big B annouced Ash’s news to gain publicity for his film!
Then this news of Ash losing the Heroine project
then this lady who tweets about the Bachchans’ UP mentality!
RGV tweets
The Bachchans and Taran’s arguments
The Tarantino episode with the Indian girl, and the media shamelessly publishing every single detail of their encounter in a national daily, which is supposedly a newspaper every family member reads .. Phew
Some people need to get a life – especially this desperate for publicity woman who commented on the Bachchans’ personal life.. I just hope she wasnt around when someone must have ridiculed her parents in the media circles, as to how she was ‘brought up’
Some respect needs to be given to people are entering a new phase of happiness in their lives, with the arrival of their newborn. and some sick-minded people choose this as a platform to publicise themselves.. Nothing short of immoral and disgusting!’
July 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Very true, TM.
She has now retracted her coments and claims her lap top was stolen!
Just need to ignore those.
God knows what is going on their lives that makes people resort to bitterness and venom. May Lord have mercy on them.
July 1, 2011 at 5:57 PM
Yes Rajen. I read that part of the interview as well.. where she denied all of that.
she was contradicting herself in every sentence she spoke.. sometimes she referred that her laptop was stolen, while at other times, she tried to defend her ‘UP mentality’ statement by saying that she wasnt referring to Abhiash but talking generally, and it could even be a Hollywood star she might have referred to..
Like Hollywood stars with UP mentalities.. LOL..
I think she’s the same woman who had a small part in Bheja Fry.. She played Rajat Kapoor’s girlfriend, I guess
July 1, 2011 at 2:05 PM
http://www.firstpost.com/bollywood/delhi-belly-s-happens-and-it%E2%80%99s-funny-35236.html
July 1, 2011 at 2:06 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Mayank-Shekhar-s-review-Bbuddah-Hoga-Tera-Baap/H1-Article1-716215.aspx
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Mayank-Shekhar-s-review-Delhi-Belly/H1-Article1-716183.aspx
July 1, 2011 at 2:07 PM
the first negative one I’ve seen…
July 1, 2011 at 7:43 PM
Seriously? I can post 10 negative reviews. Only if you are willing to open your eyes.
July 1, 2011 at 8:19 PM
I saw your other long response which I didn’t let through because it was ridiculous. First off I never said DB was getting mixed reviews. You have simply imagined this. But yes in the initial round Bbuddah had 100% positive reviews while DB had a few negative ones. In the second round though Bbuddah has had some negative reviews, DB now seems more positive. Either way BBuddah is still overall very positive. The highest rated films ever never ended up with more than 82% or so at allbollywood.com (when the site was around). Anything in even the low 70s was generally very good. So even for the very best films and even in the very best scenarios there are very many negative reviews. But one has to look at the overall trend. The rest is just a partisan response from you which cannot be taken seriously. Because when all the reviews were positive you didn’t show up, now that there are some negative ones you suddenly appear. If my eyes ever need to be opened it will take someone with more integrity than you can dream of in this lifetime!
Incidentally there was no negative review that I had seen when I put up that comment and there were tons of positive ones.
July 1, 2011 at 8:31 PM
Satyam, DB only has one negative review from Slant magazine (2/4). I challenge you to post any other review from print media that has been published so far (one or the other may appear in next 24 hrs).
besides the above mentioned review and another on NDTV hindi television reviewer I have not seen a single negative review from professional reviewers.
July 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM
The slant magazine reviewer is a firaang btw.
But DB is doing very well with international reviewers as well. It is at 88% on RT and could have been 100% if it were’nt for that one Slant Magazine review
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/delhi_belly_2011/
July 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM
“But yes in the initial round Bbuddah had 100% positive reviews while DB had a few negative ones”
You have been imagining this. While initial BHTB reviews were positive DB was a step above then as well. When further reviews came, DB continues to get positive reviews. BHTB got quite some negative ones
July 1, 2011 at 2:11 PM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/delhi-belly/811506/
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bbuddah-hoga-terra-baap/811498/
July 1, 2011 at 2:12 PM
alright second negative one!
July 1, 2011 at 2:16 PM
I dont read reviews satyam, only wat folks say here n other sites. usually I shun reviews. Font give them so much importace.
Just posting them for reference.
July 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Same here.
July 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM
masand gave 2 stars,3.5 for DB
July 1, 2011 at 2:49 PM
Masand these days does not give a Bachchan film good reviews.
July 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM
satyam, i am surprised to see the way you have gone about Big B’s film here and giving DB a very less space than it deserves….i m gonna watch both the movies but dude, where are the reviews for DB – everywhere on your blog these days it is BHTB…..looks more like Big B’s PR blog than a neutral film-buff’s blog….DB will easily beat BH…in terms of B.O., critical acclaim etc and Big B will still remain Big B even if film doesn’t work that well…..what is the point in bombarding your site with BHTB so much that one feels that this is just too much…..
July 1, 2011 at 10:27 PM
every DB review has been posted here as well.. I can’t help it if Bbuddah has attracted more attention. Every trailer was put up for both films. If there had been a premiere for DB with a video would have put up that as well. But yeah the BBuddah images attracted more attention for obvious reasons but I actually put up all the images and all the trailers for pretty much every major film.
And who said I was neutral?! But I try and give everything important as much coverage as possible. Naveed will tell you how many times I updated the ready stills. Similarly and even though it hasn’t attracted much buzz I have updated ZNMD with each new image and each new trailer. Have done the same for Singham. Could go on and on. But if more people here want to discuss BBuddah there’s nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to discuss DB all the time that’s fine too. I’m not neutral but that isn’t reflected in the content here. The other week just some stills from the shoot for Barfi (Ranbir) looked good to me and I put them on top. I haven’t done this for any Abhishek film barring Raavan.
So not sure what the point is. But again I am not neutral. Certainly not ‘neutral’ the way you are!
July 1, 2011 at 9:24 PM
I agree with Ideaunique Satyam. Reviewers are calling DB a CULT movie iat par with DCH, Andaaz Apna Apna and Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron from a cinematic liberation perspective.
July 1, 2011 at 10:29 PM
Not sure when I ever denied this. But the DB box office has never been a mystery to me. I have always been clear about what this would do, have said so many times, have defended the film many times including just today from the charge of bad language and so on. This isn’t a box office story that interests me because I have always known this would be big. at every point I have said BBuddah would in all probability not be able to match the box office of this film because of the youth demographic, and certainly not in the initial run. The thing though is folks like yourself seem to go deaf and dumb when I say those things repeatedly and then suddenly go into attack mode the moment you hear other stuff!
July 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/masand-delhi-belly-guarantees-a-good-laugh/164267-47-84.html
July 1, 2011 at 2:17 PM
The only other person in the industry who evokes similar sentiments is Rajnikanth. But for now, my senses are satiated with the Bachchan mania. Bachchan has proved in his stylish way, he is indeed the Baap of them all. I again exclaim like Prakash Raj “ Baap re baap”!
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tiger-trail/entry/bbuddah-baap-re-baap
July 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM
Aamir on FB :
The opening day collections are unbelievable. And equally thrilling is the reaction of the audiences. Have spent all day travelling from theatre to theatre. Cant tell you guys how happy I am!!! All I can say is thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Love. x
July 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM
SrBachchan Amitabh Bachchan
T 420 -कैसे धन्यवाद दूं अपने सभी चाहने वालों को . आप सब ने तालियाँ और सीटियों बजा के सिनेमा हॉल में धूम मचा दी है .
SrBachchan Amitabh Bachchan
T 420 -Thank you too EF and TwFmXt for all the fantastic work you have done .. it is paying huge dividends .. we are indeed family !!
July 1, 2011 at 2:54 PM
just comin back from Bbuddah show…..
i lked the movie.. especially the climax part. The new girl from south is cute and spontaneous. Amitabh bachchan is as usual awssm.
Movie hall was 60 % occupied… and it was a multiplex. I guess family audience prefers the late night shows.
July 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM
i was sitting in Gold class… which was Rs 400 per ticket… that was house full.. then the Rs 200 section was housefull… Rs 150 section had around 20% people… Rs 100 section was half occupied…
July 1, 2011 at 3:43 PM
yeah I’ve heard so much anecdotal evidence from people along these lines. But the trade keeps coming up with the same old bull. It works when a film doesn’t eventually work or stays at a lower level because then they can maintain that narrative. But BBuddah is a very commercial film, the reviews have been great, WOM has been great so this one isn’t going anywhere. Not that the usual suspects did anything different even with Bachchan hits/blockbusters.
July 1, 2011 at 2:58 PM
thanks…
July 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM
As I said before the clash is proving costly for both films.
If BHTB had released next week it would have had a bigger opening.
Aamir had the date for DB first. But Abhisheik decided to clash with it. He is running all the promotions behind the scenes.
I like AB as an actor but this was such a bad decision.
I want DB to do well since it was a different kind of cinema. Even though I love AB he looks garish and the promos look like his own caricuture.
He was awesome in movies like Khaki and Paa
July 1, 2011 at 4:15 PM
NDTV tells bbuddha has 30% opening….. AAJTAK says 10%…. who to believe…
July 1, 2011 at 4:56 PM
July 1, 2011 at 4:59 PM
For all those who were blaming Abhishek for just talking about the 10.5 crore figure for Bbuddah here Nahata himself just mentions the 25 crore figure for DB and says Aamir won’t have a problem recovering it.
Gets back to my perennial point. There’s just no consistency in the trade because of dishonesty and/or incompetence.
July 1, 2011 at 5:50 PM
And Now Big B clarifies. Hoping Viacom does it too..
T 420 -Delighted we made #BHTBaap in 10 cr..with P@A about 17 cr .. 75% already recovered before release .. price kills not content ..!!
July 1, 2011 at 4:57 PM
ONE SPOILER BELOW.
Just saw the movie. I was going to put up a post, but criticizing a film like Bbuddha feels kind of like being the one buzz-kill who complains at a party that everyone else seems to be enjoying.
It’s a fun, perfectly harmless movie but I don’t think it’s particularly memorable. Honestly, my main problem was that in a film purportedly made in tribute to Amitabh Bachchan, I didn’t feel there was enough of Amitabh Bachchan in it. Or maybe Puri didn’t, to my mind, successfully “get” the spirit of Amitabh Bachchan. Bbuddah has an ensemble cast and it’s nice that the director takes time to develop several story threads (even if some of these are totally abandoned by the end) but ultimately I felt that Bachchan, our ringmaster, gets a bit sidelined by the “circus” whirling around him.
I have some nitpicks that probably border on ludicrous but there’s a reason for it. One of them is the massively poor choice by Puri or the production in covering Bachchan’s expressive, arresting eyes with all manner of massive Aviators for what felt like 75% of the movie. Another is a climactic action scene that takes the baap of all dishoom-dishoom on-screen fist-fighters and places him in the center of some by-the-books gunplay. Again, these complaints probably sound like the wailings of a frustrated fanboy (and they absolutely are) but the problem is that Puri himself is in fanboy mode here, and every fanboy has their own personal experience and perception of their idol, and their own ideas on how to properly prostrate before it!
Bachchan gets a role that is fun and flamboyantly charismatic, but it’s a bit one-note and the jokes kind of get…well, old. There are a few precious moments in the film where one is riveted by hearing Bachchan talk about his “purana rishtaa” with the city of Bombay, and one of the chief pleasures of the movie is seeing him on those streets, riding a hog on those roads, and doing his brand of ass-kicking, showing present-day wannabes how it is (or was and should be) done. You almost wish that Bachchan’s mission in this movie wasn’t to save an estranged son but an estranged city.
July 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM
Great set of thoughts as always GF.. this sounds like a perfectly fair reaction to the film. I’m not able to see it today but will do so tomorrow.
July 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM
Look forward to your thoughts on this one…a second viewing might have me unburdened by the weight of expectations which I was obviously wrestling with here…
July 1, 2011 at 6:39 PM
LOL.
This shows how one can reasonably opine on a review/view without actually having seen the film as opposed to a retard with more opinions than grey cells in some other land who goes around saying which review is right or which reviewer got it right without actually seeing the film!
Might be a little difficult to understand the context here but samajhnewaale samajh jaayenge.
July 1, 2011 at 6:38 PM
I’ve watched it, disappointed. In every aspect it is bad. AB’s makeup was horrible and in some scenes in first half he looked very old. I didn’t enjoy even a single bit, overhyped. I am not sure how the media is so positive in ratings. Paa, Cheenikum and Black, this movie comes no where near to these. As some one mentioned in this forum, it is worse than B grade movie. i am sorry, ABC wrong move.
I agree with GF to some extent.
July 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM
Hmm,thats dusturbing Ted.
July 1, 2011 at 6:54 PM
I am sorry. I hope Abhishek keeps Puri away
July 1, 2011 at 7:40 PM
the film with Puri is definitely on.
July 1, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Puri has confirmed doing telugu version with Mahesh. He may do hindi version with abhishek next year. It is not a good idea to have two versions.
July 1, 2011 at 8:22 PM
His idea is to do two versions. The Abhishek one is confirmed as far as I know. Wouldn’t be surprised if it began before the Telugu one. But these things can change.
July 1, 2011 at 8:05 PM
There is not a single poster at our Theatre. Shit has one poster.
July 1, 2011 at 11:01 PM
i will back abhi and ABCL for continuing with puri as director – simply because he makes movies within tight budget so at the end of the day if the movies are average at BO – it is a profitable venture for them with all the additional rights – as producers, it is smarter to sign such directors – any day
July 1, 2011 at 6:55 PM
oh man..Ted..I expected something better from your side..I did not like the Amitji’s makeup from the promos..I wish they had presented him in the KBC style..but going by the reviews it seemed OK..Amways
catching it tonight.
July 1, 2011 at 5:03 PM
caught this from someone elsewhere:
“devang sampat from chief strategy officer cinepolis mumbai distributor says both bbuddah n db having equal shows in their property. all three movies doing 75-80%. tough competition. public response is youth telling sallu shd go back to school n learn from big b women cussing db. Info from komal nahata show on etc:”
July 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM
one can borrow rgvs “harmless/ compliment” ch…ya comment on Bachchan and use it for gf— not writing enuf (as if he is having to PAY for each word coming out of his “pen”)………lol
ps—its surprising how few cinemas are showing buddha or even DB overseas—wished to contribute my bit towards the ticket collections, but cannot since its not being shown anywhere close.
ps2–Irrespective of the eventual fate, my initial hunch seems to be coming true. Releasing Buddha with db seems to have robbed bachchan of another major clear hit!!
Unfortunately, ego and complacency / inertia gripped viacom+bachchans.
This seems to have somewhat diluted a good campaign buildup, buzz and even good word of mouth.
Read somewhere that aamir spent the whole day getting first ahdn reactions from cinemas all over—not thats the sort of “hands on involvement” one needs……..and that too for a decade—-one doesnt get a creidibilty and audience faith overnite to command audience trust and respect to get them over for a suspect DB on the first day against a tried and tested alternative (buddha)…..
July 1, 2011 at 11:15 PM
“as if he is having to PAY for each word coming out of his “pen””
I’m surprised you chose to spell coming correctly.
July 2, 2011 at 6:27 AM
Hahaha– gf- spelt it correctly due to your special writing skills
Andnbcos undone seem to have anything to do with “coming” spel the other day(atleast apparently)….
So even typos are sometimes used selectively…hahaha
Haven’t seen Buddha but the box office scenario looks v confusing and murky-1 with different reports coming— needs someone to take lead from the producers (maybe abhi, via ok) & sort out with the bo reporting guys ASAP– one has to be practical and doesn’t need to indulge in criminal unethical stuff but nothing wrong with” healthy PR exercise” — one cannot behave ABOVE the system— no point in fighting with fans and taran on twitter like what abhi did IMO — he won’t be able to fall to their level anyways!!
July 1, 2011 at 7:06 PM
Watched it and absolutely loved it! Amitji was fabulous,I wanted to see him in every scene of the movie!Truly love Mr B but I never got to see him do this type of thing on the big screen since his Hum’s and Agneepath’s were before my time, so as a hardcore AB fan this movie was a worldclass experience for me into the Bachchanmania on the Big screen.So it’s not a path breaking movie but it was never meant to be, for me it did exactly what it was meant to do celebrate the sheer brilliance of a man named Amitabh Bachchan, and he does not dissapoint! It’s BigB all the way just as we like to see him!Feel like a total Bachchan fangirl right now!
Went for the 8:30 show and happy to report that it was housefull here!People were actually clapping for some of the dialogues and this does not happen often here in any movie! Felt so elated! So for me the movie did what it was supposed to do, entertain only in a way that Mr B can!
Just got to say all hail Amitabhh Bachchan,the hero of hero’s!
July 1, 2011 at 7:10 PM
Well Said!!
July 1, 2011 at 7:27 PM
A really nice and pertinent review there fimifan—to the point and had the relevant info for others…
Welcome to the crowd—nice to find a bachchan fangirl!!
Just read teds review above and was disappointed.
Others like kash have given an exceptionally good report and so am surprised at the disparity.
“So it’s not a path breaking movie but it was never meant to be, for me it did exactly what it was meant to do celebrate the sheer brilliance of a man named Amitabh Bachchan, and he does not dissapoint! “—well said—basically, it does what it says on the tin!!
July 3, 2011 at 3:38 PM
Thank you Rajesh!
Thanks Alex,unfortunately can’t write as well as some on this blog but tried to give an honest opinion
July 3, 2011 at 3:46 PM
Filmifan—u write v well and should write more…
ps—chatted with another SA gal @work–after hearing out the options–wanna try snorkeling & hot-air ballooning—hope it is safe and i survive! !lol
July 1, 2011 at 10:04 PM
just came back after watching the movie. I thought is was pretty enjoyable and entertaining. The hall was 80% full, Both the old and the young people were loving it and laughing at BigB’s one liners.
I kind of liked the Raveena track.. overall though I thought it was too short…the bGM is awesome as are the action scenes. The go meera song although superb and the sequence before the song seemed a bit forced .
the movie has a repeat value and is a must watch for Big B fans…
overheard an Aunty as we were coming out of the theatre- Main poori picture mein ek minute ko bhee nahee soyee, Amitabh Bachchan jo tha poicture mein………
July 1, 2011 at 10:30 PM
Wow, great to hear Rocky!
July 2, 2011 at 12:25 AM
Rocky, you talk about NG site. What is the expansion for ng? I would like to visit. Why that site is at loggerheads with SS sometimes? Satyam also refers to it often.
July 2, 2011 at 12:48 AM
Still no answer? Is it wrong etiquette to ask about another site?
July 2, 2011 at 2:41 AM
Vati,
NG is naachgaana. Satyam, being satyam, had a history with NG. He was a prolific commentator there and some of his best essays were on that site. However, he has had differences there and has started his own blog.
NG since then has become stale with no original content , except when abzee posts there.
July 2, 2011 at 2:59 AM
Thanks for the information. One more site on my radar.
Atleast NG is still there with lots of technical information and every other review. While PFC has closed down leaving many distraught. Even PFC lost many of its contributors and they did not bother about making it look more attractive. Actually there is a paucity of good sites where there is less rudeness and more debate.
July 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM
I specially liked the remixing of mere naseeb mein and Tu cheez badi hai mast mast…. wish they had retained the Raveena song in the movie….
I think to keep the movie short, they may have edited out a bit too much of the movie….in the first half the editing did look a bit sloppy..
SPOILER——.also he never gets to tell Prakash Raj why he wears two watches …..
July 1, 2011 at 10:31 PM
yeah they shouldn’t have edited the Raveena song.. wonder if they’ll go old school on this and add it later!
July 2, 2011 at 12:13 AM
“SPOILER——.also he never gets to tell Prakash Raj why he wears two watches …..”
This was one of the many small things that didn’t really pay off (I mean why even do the watch explanation at all if it’s not done for Prakash Raj?) and one of my main problems with the film was its abandonment of its story threads. I have a strong feeling that this film was edited down from a longer TRT or just scripted in a rush. The storytelling just isn’t whole here. The fact that we never see the reconciliation between the son and the father (really the central theme here is about Bachchan, sab ka baap, emerging and reconciling his legacy with a new generation) was just plain odd..
July 1, 2011 at 10:25 PM
wow Bachchan sahab ne kya Jawab diya hai Taran Adarsh ko in hos today’s blog…..maza aa gaya……….
July 1, 2011 at 10:35 PM
they did not even show any song with the end credits, also IMO for the Go meera song they should have tried to get -Madhuri, Sridevi and Nandita Das instead of teh usual firangee girls…….
July 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM
Abhishek said the Go Meera song will be out later. Not sure what the deal here is. They’ve already used it in the promotions. Thought they’d use it for the credits.
July 1, 2011 at 10:55 PM
the go meera song is very much there in the movie.. aside the one liners are hilarious- and will appeal to the young crowd a lot……
July 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM
yes but that’s the Bachchan version isn’t it? I’m referring to the video which also has Abhishek. Thought they’d use this for the end credits.
July 1, 2011 at 11:57 PM
from Kanpur
Delhi Belly v Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap KANPUR
Friday 1st July 2011 23.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Delhi Belly scored heavily over Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap in Kanpur multiplexes despite it being a more of a mass centre. The collections of Delhi Belly are not huge but pretty good in Kanpur while Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap is awful. The first day collections from Kanpur multiplexes were as follows.
Big Rave
Delhi Belly – 52,912
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap – 20,262
Big Rave Moti
Delhi Belly – 1,44,911
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap – 35,300
Inox
Delhi Belly – 83,262
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap – 25,374
Cinemax
Delhi Belly – 54,450
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap – 14,706
Total
Delhi Belly – 3,35,535
Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap – 95,642
July 2, 2011 at 12:21 AM
one center from all over India for the comparison! Just one completely randomly!
July 2, 2011 at 4:28 AM
I m from Kanpur…. It is the most advanced and commercial city of UP…. not some town of masses….And for ur Knowlegde Delhi belly has all the prime time shows…. Buddha shows r 11:00 am, 2: 15pm, 10:30 pm….
DB is released on double the screens Bbudhdha is released… the last show of Inox i watched was 60% full…
Delhi belly has lot many shows then budhdha… and the fav timings too
July 2, 2011 at 1:04 AM
@vati: NG=NachGana (I believe)
July 2, 2011 at 1:25 AM
Thank you dimps.
July 2, 2011 at 1:46 AM
I would also like to know why the tension (if I can call it that) between Ng and SS. I am more active on Ng than here even though I find this place full of learned people in the way films are discussed even though Bachan mania is everywhere here (not that I am objecting) I joined Ng around Dabangg time and this place few months after I think.
Yes Vatikala Doga is also more on Ng. Yakuza is also very much active there and like you said rooney also.
July 2, 2011 at 2:03 AM
Naveed, thats past, i guess ppl have moved on… but in brief one line.. there were differences (srk/bigb/aamir) heated debates.. and Satyam and friends moved on in life and blog. And so Did Rohit and co.
i joined SS, within some days of its inaugration.
ps- if u want to see the fiesty debates of past check NG archives. They would give u unbiashed opinion, everything is there.
July 2, 2011 at 1:33 AM
So rooney is more visible there.
July 2, 2011 at 2:08 AM
hehe vati.. i hoped u could have phrased it better
m actually no where right now, m busy with my career.
July 2, 2011 at 1:41 AM
Why there is so much catfight about numbers?
Why not enjoy movies as they are whatever their numbers are?
I am not watching DB because of my phobia for toilet humour.
July 2, 2011 at 1:59 AM
Just one change to BHTB .. and it will work 10 times .. if they add Go Meera Go (Abhishek Version) in end credit note as well .. This will work big time and people will come out dancing .. at the moment Haal-E-Dil just make sooth ending, somewhat not match with essence of movie .. Satyam .. please convey this to BigB to make this happen ASAP ..
July 2, 2011 at 4:36 AM
if they add abhishek song – the theaters will immediately turn to empty houses – that is the touch jr. b enjoys
leave BIG B’s film to his own power – abhi can guarantee u a disaster as an actor – so leave him here as the producer only 
July 2, 2011 at 5:01 AM
Hehee.. B&B, Sarkar, KANK , SR … A pretty goood BO record for both bachchan together ..
July 2, 2011 at 2:32 AM
LOL, Buddha’s collections are estimated at 1-1.5 cr. by some. Those are some pathetic collections when on this forum someone were comparing buzz of Buddha with that of Ready and someone was quoting Buddha as Dabangg of 2011. ROFL, LMAO.
July 2, 2011 at 2:55 AM
dont think the numbers are that low… but still it wont be more than 3cr day 1…. and if the word-of-mouth is bad the weekend could be less than 10cr and the total business would not cross 20cr
July 2, 2011 at 3:23 AM
Arun, First day business of Buddha is 1.14 cr. as I said -
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap was very bad on its first day and needs huge turnaround on Saturday and Sunday to have even a small chance of scoring at the box office. The film grossed around 1.15 crore nett approx on its first day. The territorial breakdown was as follows.
Mumbai – 35 lakhs
Delhi/UP – 20 lakhs
East Punjab – 10 lakhs
West Bengal – 8 lakhs
Bihar – 4 lakhs
CI – 6 lakhs
CP Berar – 6 lakhs
Rajasthan – 8 lakhs
Nizam – 7 lakhs
Mysore -5 lakhs
Others – 5 lakhs
TOTAL – 1.14 crore
Source – BOI
July 2, 2011 at 3:32 AM
No wonder .. its same BOI who gave 2.25 Crore first day for DMD and later become 5.4 Crore … Ha Ha
July 2, 2011 at 3:26 AM
At the end it will be BBuddah who will be successful .. and DB will be outright flop .. This is how things will look at end :
1. Bbuddah : 1st Week : 14 Crore, 2nd Week : 10 Crore, 3rd Week : 5 Crore Life Time : 32 Crore
2. DB : 1st Week : 25 Crore, 2nd Week : 5 Crore(CRASH), Life Time : 32 Crore
At the end .. Bbuddah because of its very low cost will be successful/Hit .. and DB will turn out FLOP.
July 2, 2011 at 3:33 AM
DB is not Dum Maaro Dum to crash like that
And Bbuddah is no Band Baaja Baraat to trend like that
July 2, 2011 at 4:39 AM
only 1 cr? now every box office analyst, bo site and everyone who throws such a figure will be lambasted by satyam – how dare Big B’s film collect such a low amount? Nah, there is something wrong with paying public, analysts, BO sites….etc. etc……..:-)
(declaration: i am still going to watch Big B as I still love him)
July 2, 2011 at 4:49 AM
Picture abhi baki hai dost….
Double dhamal took a flying start… but has fallen like nything
July 2, 2011 at 8:27 AM
that “flying start” made 26 cr – then it doesnt matter how it has fallen. HIT
July 2, 2011 at 8:34 AM
Wah!!…. dhanya hain aap….
Apki nazron mein sirf opening achchi ho jaye….. bus….
thank god all the directors dont make movies with this great ideology….
Movie making is much more then that… i guess aap kabhi shayad hi samjhein
July 2, 2011 at 8:35 AM
not to forget… TMK bhi shayad HIT hi hogi… apki nazroon mein
July 2, 2011 at 4:07 AM
BTW apart from numbers .. i was just checking bookmyshow.com .. By which angle Bbuddah look 1000 Screens release ??
http://in.bookmyshow.com/buytickets/?srid=DELHI&eid=ET00007098&cid=&did=20110702&ety=MT
Look at cinemas and shows in Delhi .. Any movie even in 3rd week has more shows than its first week … BY no means this looks like big release .. I am surprise .. Heck .. this is even less than 400 screens release . . I am dead sure ..
I remember .. when Paa was released .. Lost of screens was such a big .. there were more than 150 shows in delhi . which were listed in BMS .. and now for Bbuddah it looks less than 50 shows … where si scope for Bbuddah to earn ??
July 2, 2011 at 4:51 AM
SO Mr. Taran Adarsh … Delhi belly: 1200print 80 to 90%occupancy collections 7cr. #dmd : .1100 print occupancy 15to20% collection5.5cr ….. how possible ???
July 2, 2011 at 4:52 AM
Mr. Taran Adarsh .. Either u r lying in delhi belly’s case or u hv lied in case of dum maaro dum.
July 2, 2011 at 4:39 AM
http://www.glamsham.com/movies/scoops/11/jul/02-good-opening-for-delhi-belly-dull-start-for-bbuddah-071102.asp
It states better and authentic figures then BOI
July 2, 2011 at 4:45 AM
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/68165.html
July 2, 2011 at 4:54 AM
Shaurya, those are articles about predictions/hopes/wishes just as expressed on this very blog. Actual figure is in front of you. 1.14 Cr. is what it was able to garner on day 1. Its even pathetic when we consider that Bheja Fry 2, a non-starer did 2 crores on its 1st day!
July 2, 2011 at 5:08 AM
How 1.14 Crore is actual figure ?? BOI himself claims that all their figures are estimates ..
How you can forget following instances :
DMD first day report by BOI .. 2.25 Crore . . Actual .. 5.5 Crore
Golmaal 3 : Report by BOI .. 4 Crore … Actual .. 8 Crore
BNB .. BOI life time reporting 36 Crore .. Actual 42 Crore (By Komal and Planebollywood).
These are bizzarre instances and there are more such examples .. No wonder BOI after some days come up with another number for Bbuddah ..
July 2, 2011 at 5:15 AM
Jeevan, enjoy 1.14 cr. for now because as per distributors it is only 1 cr.
July 2, 2011 at 5:20 AM
hmmm….
July 2, 2011 at 5:26 AM
BOI is playing huge tricks as always. It is impossible to get such a low number. I saw in Dubai last night almost housefull. My parents did not get night show ticket in fame Andheri last night. And we are talking abt multiplexes here. BOI is gettin bad to worse for every Bachchan movie.
July 2, 2011 at 5:29 AM
For my short opinion on movie loved it Bachchan was brilliant and has unbelievable screen presence still. BAAP RE BAAP. Only they should not have ended with Hema and emotions it needed a peppy song ending as also suggested by Jeevan. It would have improved the positivity in the end.
July 2, 2011 at 5:33 AM
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=22277&z=4
@admin
wat bout this
July 2, 2011 at 5:42 AM
Just got back from a showing in Seattle.. less than 20% capacity and that too for the first show!! Was really surprised to see it that low at the beginning. After the show, i was surprised that there were even 20%. Honestly the movie, how do I put it, was pretty bad.
Delhi Belly on the other hand was packed. Long lines to enter the cinema hall. EVen in the 3rd show of the day.
I was expecting a lot more from the movie, especially after reading the reviews this morning and I have to say barring “few” light moment, I was really really dissapointed. I thought it would be a lot more like “Wanted” or “Dabbang”, but nowhere close. Raveena REALLY got a raw deal, not sure why her song was cut. If I were her, I would be pissed. Also the Go Meera Go song with Abhishek was not shown in the end-credits. The story was just bits and pieces mix-matched together, the flow was missing. Some songs and sequences also seemed forced in, as someone said before felt like a major rush job to get it done. This is NOT what you expect from a Bachchan film and an ABCorp production. Thoroughly dissapointed.
Reading figures of a measly Rs. 1-1.5 crore first day is down right pathetic. Can’t see how it can get better??? Public percpetion (not talking about financials etc.) seems like a FLOP.
Releasing it with DB was a braindead idea… huge huge risk and I think AB Corp and Viacome paid for it dearly. Still not sure what they were thinking. Releasing it on a clean week, would have given it some chance.
Also all the controversy surrounding budget has left a sour taste in my mouth. I understand Taran (and others as such) are playing games, but I think Bachchan’s are playing games as well (as much as I hate to say it). Bachchan’s blog also left a very sour taste in my mouth. I actually believe Taran’s tweek about ego’s being hurt is directed right at the Bachchan’s and I think he is spot on… Bachchan’s blog indirectly confirms that as well.
All in all, being a hard core BigB fan, I honestly have to say that I was thoroughly dissapointed in this movie and in the aftermath of controversies.
A BigB fan always, but today was not a good day for me as a Bachchan fan…. in more ways than one.
-Mahesh
July 2, 2011 at 5:44 AM
@ mahesh
nice to way to pretend being a bahchchan fan and having agendas…
old shit…. i have tried this with salman movies…. people r not fools
July 2, 2011 at 6:08 AM
Sorry Shaurya, not sure I get what you’re saying or insinuating.
I’m a huge fan of AB, always have been, but was definetely dissapointed with this movie. Doesn’t make me less of a fan. Hey at least I’m objective and have the balls to say that I didn’t like his film. That doesn’t make me less of a fan.
Also I care deeply as a fan, and yes when we see accusation flying around, you take heed and question. I would have liked to see ABJr post the figures and prove Taran and Viacom wrong. I would have a sigh of relief.
where does a question of people are not fools arise. Don’t get that at all.
-Mahesh
July 2, 2011 at 6:11 AM
Figures were posted by BIG B … He stated them without addressing Taran adarsh…
July 2, 2011 at 6:14 AM
Figures were posted by BIG B … He stated them without addressing Taran adarsh…
TWEET 420…. big b declares the figures…
Now taran will ask for reciepts of production… lol
July 2, 2011 at 6:13 AM
If you are a “fan,” Amitabh’s tweet about budget and P&A costs should be enough for you!
July 2, 2011 at 5:45 AM
I have recently started coming on social blogging forums basically found satyam posts on Bachchan blogs very intelligent and practical. Highly impressive. BTW, I saw movie almost housefull here and parents could not get ticket in suburban multiplex lin Mumbai ast night. So it is practically impossible for nos to be as low as BOI reflects. Boxoffice.co.in has better and so has Glamsham. Who to believe?…
July 2, 2011 at 5:47 AM
@ Satyam
now Taran adarsh is twitting that DB is only good in metros and selected multiplexes… It didnt trade well in HINDI HEARTLAND BELT…
achcha hai pehle halla machao…. fir kitna bhi chup ho jao… baat to hawa mein rehti hi hai…
Industry should have entrance exam for reviewers
July 2, 2011 at 5:48 AM
IBOS:
Box Office: Buddah Amitabh beating up on Delhi Belly
Saturday, July 02, 2011
Transformers had the best start of the weekend on Friday in multiplexes but the film is not generating a great post-release report in India.
The handful of trademedia of India, as it is often prone to, is giving a false trade picture on Delhi Belly and the Amitabh Bachchan starrer Buddah Hoga Tera Baap (including on costs of the two films). As at the box office, bookings for the Rs. 10 crore Amitabh Bachchan’s solo starrer Buddah Hoga Tera Baap are not only higher than being reported in India, but are now moving ahead of the Rs. 35 crore Delhi Belly in Delhi Belly’s hometurf, the multiplexes, while showing bigger jumps in single screens whereas Delhi Belly has opened weak with little hope of a pickup there.
This is relevant in light of claims of Delhi Belly (mostly in english) having had a bumper start in India, which is simply not the case, not even across the board of metros and multiplexes this time.
DB is good in select multiplexes and overseas pockets only. At 25-30% it has had a weak start in metros like Calcutta (10% in some cases), Jaipur, Pune, Surat and emerging Hindi metros like Kanpur and even Bombay is nowhere near as expected with Saturday collections clocking barely 25-30% bookings at multiplexes like Fame Adlabs still. Tickets are readily available most everywhere.
Buddah did not have a great opening on Friday morning either, as had been pointed to by IBOS reports earlier. The difference is Buddah’s picking up faster. And on Saturday itself Buddah will bypass Delhi Belly in a lot of the stations. Amitabh Bachchan films for example rarely do great business in Chennai but Buddah is going toe to toe there with the Aamir Khan production now (DB opened well in Chennai). Hema Malini also may have something to do with Buddah’s boost there as opening in Chennai was good for BHTB on Friday itself.
The reports on Delhi Belly are mixed depending on segment of audience being identified. Some like its toilet humor while others would rather dump and flush it down down the commode itself. The overall reports of BHTB are of the paying public overall approving Amitabh Bachchan’s return to the active role after a long time, overlooking the film’s other shortfalls. It may not have opened as Natwarlal or Kaalia as box office benchmark, but it’s certainly helping it go toe to toe in unexpected places and more impressively power over the likes of the bigger budgeted Delhi Belly as the weekend proceeds.
July 2, 2011 at 5:56 AM
no no jeevan….. some people here treat BOI as god…. unke sentiments hurt ho jayenge
July 2, 2011 at 6:14 AM
DB is over reported first day.As per twitter, from dstributors it is not more than 5 cr.
IBOS is reporting for DHTB,it is interesting.
July 2, 2011 at 8:53 AM
what distributors are these?
July 2, 2011 at 6:13 AM
wow… this is great.. surprising (since I didn’t take to the movie) but glad to hear this. I would be THRILLED to see it become a HIT.
-Mahesh
July 2, 2011 at 8:47 AM
this is a very different report from the others.. Taran has a1.65 crores for Fri which is still very low of course. Has 7 crores for DB and 2.5 crores for Transformers. I’d be very surprised if Bbuddah didn’t register a drastic pickup today.
July 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM
hahaha…lol at IBOS…
July 2, 2011 at 6:33 AM
http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sushantmehta/329/62512/blog-the-cheap-heat-of-delhi-belly.html
DB is a CHEAP HEAT… IBN7 |
I’m a big WWE (formerly WWF) fan; a lot of factors contribute in making the show ‘the longest running prime time show’ – maybe in the entire history of television. It’s like a never-ending film with constantly evolving storylines and characters played by the wrestlers. A storyline, much like the movies, would consist of a wrestler playing a good guy, called ‘babyface’ going head to head with the villain or the ‘heel’ in wrestling terminology.
WWE has had many classic heels such as ‘The Undertaker’ or ‘Shawn Michaels’ or even ‘Stone Cold’ Steve Austin. What worked for all these characters was that they had a lot of ‘Heat’ with the audience; people would pay to boo them, to see them getting beat up. All of these wrestlers are either current or future Hall of Famers.
But there were a lot of other wrestlers/heels in particular who started off very well but disappeared shortly. These were the wrestlers who initially got some heat going with audience but failed to sustain that ‘heat’ for a long time. They were the ones who – in wrestling terms again – used ‘cheap heat’ to get instant fame and were subsequently forgotten. But what is ‘cheap heat’?
‘Cheap heat’ is what you get by directly abusing the audience with heavy duty cuss words. The audience does hate the wrestler because he’s using the most ‘extreme’ foul language against them (grabbing instant attention) but forget about him soon because that’s all he’s got. No substance, no originality, only momentary ‘cheap heat’.
Delhi Belly is a classic example of ‘cheap heat’ being exploited to the maximum. The only difference is unlike WWE’s failed wrestlers who needed to sustain themselves over a period of time, the film only needs to work for you once, and in most of the cases it will, excepting some – like mine.
It is the laziest, most cunning (remember I used this word) screenplay in a long time. A while back I asked filmmaker Anurag Kashyap about using ‘cuss’ words in his films. He said, “That’s the way we talk in real life. Why not in films?” It was an interview for his film ‘Gulaal’. I was blown away by the film and I completely agreed with him.
But while I consider ‘Gulaal’ to be a genuinely written script, I’ve got a big problem with the writer of Delhi Belly. It is somewhat of an exploitation film at best. Something tells me the writer had two choices:
1. The plot which, without any doubt, is an intensely watchable one. It uses original/witty dialogues according to the situations and hope it works for the audience.
2. Given the same plot, go for a sure-shot, less satisfying screenplay, which you know will work for most.
It kills me that the team went for option 2 compared to option 1 simply because it required more effort.
Remember I used the word ‘cunning’. Let me explain.
To get three guys to play ‘hip Delhiites’ who talk like actual living beings is one thing but to use that as a disguise to let your characters hold a prostitute’s breast while talking to her, or constant reference (and shots) of ass cheeks to using every ‘maa-behen’ gaali you’ve ever heard in ‘Hinglish’ (as the ticket reads) is another. They’ve done anything to get your attention. It’s like what Mahesh Bhatt said in a TV chat show, “I am a prostitute selling myself, rest is up to you.”
And let’s not use the ‘oh, we talk like this in real life’ notion here. Nothing in the film has been written to show ‘reality’. Everything has being written very slyly to get that cheap thrill going amongst the audience.
Again I do have to admit that it works like a charm – for most. I am not offended by the film. I am just so disappointed. Here’s hoping this film won’t trigger a series of future films with immense ‘cheap heat’.
Then again something tells me it will. Bollywood!
July 2, 2011 at 7:00 AM
If KJO makes, it is trash. If Amir makes,it is epic. I hope bollywood doesn’t follow this with more similar.
July 2, 2011 at 6:39 AM
A counter PR offensive (ESP involving the taran types) is the need ofthe hour ESP when the situation is confused and equivocal.
Nothing wrong with if one doesn’t indulge in criminal/ unethical nexus– the “ivory tower” approach needs to be abandoned in this day n age. The reviewers have a roletoo and rightly/ wrongly henoaying public reads their reviews/ get influenced to some extent.
The v low no of screens showing Buddha is definitely a mistake–what’s the point in hyping up when people cannot find a feasible screen to watch it on!!!
Ps gf–typo above again – u have not shown any indication of having anything to do with” coming” spelt the other way (atleast apparently)
July 2, 2011 at 6:46 AM
I havent expected such a low number for BHTB, 1.14 cr is too low. But, I am damn sure result would have been not that worse if it had been released solo, a big mistake.
July 2, 2011 at 6:54 AM
from twitter:
delhi belly: 1200print 80 to 90%occupancy collections 7cr. #dmd : .1100 print occupancy 15to20% collection5.5cr hw possible
July 2, 2011 at 7:25 AM
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
Friday estimates – India:- ‘Delhi Belly’ – Rs 7 cr, ‘Transformers’ – Rs 2.5 cr, ‘BBuddah HTB’ – Rs 1.65 cr to 1.70 cr.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
‘Transformers’ Friday estimates: Rs 2.5 cr nett.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
‘Bbuddah HTB’ Friday figures estimated by sites at Rs 1.15 cr, while some claim Rs 1 cr, my estimates are approx Rs 1.65 cr nett.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
Australia – Friday: ‘Delhi Belly’ Aus$ 28,051 on 11 screens. ‘Bbuddah HTB’ Aus$ 5,945 on 9 screens.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
‘Delhi Belly’ business is clearly divided. Metros/multplexes have been wonderful, but traditional markets [heartland] not as good.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
‘Delhi Belly’ – India: Friday early estimates above Rs 7 cr nett. Major metros, especially Mumbai, Delhi NCR, Bangalore, are superb.
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
‘Delhi Belly’ – Friday: UK £ 41,809 [1 site unreported]. Australia Aus$ 28,051. UAE [Thu] $ 125,000 [7 prints report pending]. Very good!
July 2, 2011 at 8:07 AM
i live in perth (Australia) and there is no BHTB here in the state of WESTERN AUSTRALIA and now i know that this TARAN guy is a big liar its there only in 3 screens(only in 2 states i,e new south wales..1 theater which has 2 shows @ 4 & 7 pm and Victoria.. 2 theaters which has shows @ 4,7 & 9)…
taran said “9 screens” and in reality its only 3 screens!
July 2, 2011 at 8:13 AM
taran is correct on DB’s screen count in Australia but “LIED” on BHTB’s screen count as its hardly 3 screens in the whole of Australia…was dissapointed that ab corp and viacom 18 didnt release it much widely??hopefully i can see it next friday??
July 2, 2011 at 7:26 AM
taran’s numbers are 0.5-0.7 cr higher than boi for both films
July 2, 2011 at 8:17 AM
if anybody wants “proof” on TARAN’s big lie.. on the Australian screen counts of both DB & BHTB can check it out on these websites (hoyts.com.au) for DB and (readingcinema.com.au) for BHTB!!
July 2, 2011 at 9:08 AM
I suspect BHTB will pick up on Sat and Sun, Delhi Belly would be the first choice for most multiplex goers but it does not have repeat value. I personally did not enjoy DB as a whole, there were some funny gags but the cussing and offensive scenes get tiring by the end.
July 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM
It is a pleasant surprise if BHTB picks up. It doesn’t have soul or comedy to attract normal viewer. They would have made more comedy to make it work.
July 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM
will be checking it out tonight, hope it live up to my expectations
July 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM
funny guy Prakash jaju just watched DB and attacking.
prakashjaju PRAKASH JAJU
DB is shame on Banner which gave Lagaan, Jaane Tu ya Jaane na & Taare Zameen Par .. @aamir_khan, in this regard @SrBachchan gets 7 star
Censor board members who cleared DB should be arrested & CBI should check, how much bribe they took..There is a big racket involved in this
July 2, 2011 at 9:10 AM
bottomline—want buddha to do well, for bachchans sake —the movies fate seems quite undecided rite now……
btw wimbledon ladies final—sharapova vs kvitova—
Feel it will be closer than people think–Kvitova has worked on her game recently and maria is not serving well.
But am backing Maria (for obvious reasons)….
sometimes it boils down to who has got the stamina and the “legs”–lol
July 2, 2011 at 9:15 AM
Maria sharapova breaks kvitovas first service game itself—maira has got probably the best service return in womans tennis!!
wtg
July 2, 2011 at 9:27 AM
Kvitova breaks back Marias serve and now 2-1 up–gud quality tennis on show till now—seems an interesting battle ahead—as i had suspected!!
July 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM
Kvitova wins the first set and has porved she has it in her ot win grand slam(s)
Can she sustain it and can Maria claw her way back—interestng battle!!
ps—on buddha front—a real test for abhi the producer—if he is worth it, he should go on a PR overdrive including the likes of taran/nahata and leave egos behind (to begin with)!!!
July 2, 2011 at 1:50 PM
this tamasha again
problem is the qualification and transparency which will be forever…
some 2 and 3 analyst are there ( with only nahata being a qualified charted accountant and other some close fianance background ) and some of their proxy sites …
if you have to influence make them happy to get favourable results
unlike in hollywood where everything is transparent and you get number directly from ticket sales ……………………………………………………..
anyway one hope both delhi belly and buddha gets better results
( may catch them both)
July 2, 2011 at 2:08 PM
Rangan On Delhi belly : seems Super excited
http://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2011/07/02/bullet-point-report-delhi-belly-9898/
July 2, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Bravo! Agree with it all and definitely on the point how ppl are spitting venom on “swearing” – its 2011!
July 2, 2011 at 2:47 PM
hmmm seems like m missing movies… this week…
July 2, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Exquisitely brilliant “bullet point” report by b rangan— don’t think the film will be more enjoyable than this review.
B rangan has to be the best film reviewer alive in india IMO .
Want to watch both these films but not being shown anywhere near enuf– disappointing/
Again underlines how abcl/ via ok have messed it by pitting their film against this one
Ps the first point by b ranagan was pertinent as to how abhinay deo joins the ranks of maththan, giwarikar, and will add– Mehta, farhaan akhtar & a few more .
July 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM
well alex abhi might have been confident that if with popular song dance locales aif abhinay deo gives game, then certainly he can only better that flop with DB
kidding but certainly its unforgivable the release date, and i think everyone from lead actor, producer, PR etc shud take the blame to take on AKP production and Transformers
July 2, 2011 at 3:30 PM
Yes Rooney–btw thans for the brangan review link—which usually is better than any of the movies being reviewed…
Actually havent seen the movie buddha, but from the first moment I came to know about this “clash”, I wondered how and why this was being done by abcl/viacom—totally inexplicable.
Ok, the week or two before and after this one may also be booked (DDhamaal, znmd etc), but y was it not preponed to a few weeks earlier/later to a clear week…
Not sure of any inside complusions, but if it is due to overconfidence, ego or lethargy/passivity, it is unpardonable —and as u suggested, everyone from the lead actor, producers etc need not only to take the blame but also bear the loss (which they will have to, it seems now)
Being a bachchan fan, the opening day figures (even if disputable) does come as a real disappointment.
Only serial mistakes can create such a situation wherein a powerhouse megastar like bachchan is having to send tweets to prove that the budget was below 15-20 crores.
As always, dont mind mincing words—Even time to smell the coffee has maybe passed now.
The problem is that the paying public dont easily forget the “bad experiences” and make sure they dont make those costyl mistakes usually.
For nostalgia related viewings & repeat viewings of proven classics, they are sensible enuf to depend on the telly nowadayz!!!
July 2, 2011 at 4:28 PM
agreed, btw iamthat posted the link, not me , so he deserves the praise from me and u both as i too loved the review
well one cant help but lament such a clash. better thinking shud have prevailed, i toh would have even not release against transporter though without the fox, but robots are still enough and so is a victoria secret model
but lets c, may be or hopefully better days might be ahead.
July 2, 2011 at 2:44 PM
Well havent read much reviews uptill now, but by mistake read this and its on Budha Hoga Tera Baap, thought to share
if sattu wish to remove it i dont mind, his call, but felt it was worth sharing. (by Tanned Sen)
”
Just came from Buddah hoga tera baap. Rocky/Gorilla – take a bow. We need more of your ilk in NG. This is easily Amitabh’s best movie after Agneepath. May I say that this is a must watch for anyone who liked Amitabh movies of the 70s and 80s. It is a totally terrific movie and let me say that this beats any masala movie in the last couple of decades – at least for me.
Amitabh totally rocks and how. Frankly this movie has nothing in it except Amitabh. Pretty much no storyline – but man this is a one man show like nothing else. I had lost my respect for Amitabh based on his body of work over the last 2 decades – but today I can say that Amitabh is the biggest and best superstar. This rekindled so many memories of the old Amitabh and the excitement with which we used to stand in lines for an Amitabh movie in the 70?s and 80?s. And for people talking about music and songs – there is one song in this sung by Amitabh – it is pure magic.
I know I am gushing like a teenager – but today is a reason why Amitabh is Amitabh. Sir – thank you – you made my day/week/year.
I will just say this to lot of the folks here – NG has fast become this crazy star based fighting zone – where everyone aligns with one star or the other. If you are here because you love movies – then give BTHB a chance – give Amitabh a chance. At worst you lose a few hundred bucks – but the odds are that you will come out of the theater thanking that you didnt miss this experience. And yes – if you are married with kids etc – take them for this – let them know what Amitabh was.
Honestly – have never plugged a movie so much in my life – but boy – am i glad that this movie experience happened. ”
ps- i created a post on it here myself: http://www.naachgaana.com/2011/07/03/tanned-sen-on-bhtp/
July 2, 2011 at 2:59 PM
the initial apprehensions about DB regarding swearing n toilet humor has died down.. its the time for positive reviews.. everyone I know is praising the film, words being used nothing short of ‘awesome’ and ‘great’
July 2, 2011 at 3:26 PM
me n wife went watched DB yest.. and were highly disappointed… laughed only for the first time when slang was used and the last laugh was when veer das character drinks water in burkha!! that’s it..were are the gags the gaalis everyone talking about!! gaalias were there but felt like normal and did not made us like laughing on them after first few!!! went with high expectation but we were highly dispoointed!!!! reviewers said it is a laugh riot but were were the gags!! come on!!!!
btw..will watch bhtp tomorrow… roamed in afternoon heat to at least 4 multiplexes in hyd to get tickets!!!! finally got hold of tickets in pvr cinema in panjagutta of tomorrow at 10.30 pm…will tell you guys!!!!
July 2, 2011 at 3:41 PM
May be I watched different movie… The audi where I saw the movie was bursting with laughters… Come on… U didnt find laughter doesnt mean others 99 percent felt the same… I m fan of no one but Damn give credit to aamir… He knows His Stuff. Period. ..
Rangan is Bang on …
July 2, 2011 at 3:51 PM
It seems Rangan is too thrilled. I’ve watched it, it has some intelligent moments. I didn’t like it overall. I don’t like that kind of comedy.
July 2, 2011 at 4:00 PM
BUT it is definitely better movie than BHTB. They have taken care in every department and the script is the king.
July 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM
ha!!!!!!!!!!!!! ted!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on buddy.. do not joke!!! script is king..!!! wtf.. hugely borrowed from 2-3 hollywood movies!
but my point is do you believe just that reviewers saying DB to be a good movie N audience after seeing this farting shit and jokes(sorry no jokes) movie say good!!!! BIG NOOOO! I WANT MY MONEY BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2, 2011 at 4:23 PM
Amit, watch BHTB. I’ve watched both,didn’t like either. But in case of DB you can see clever writing. I’ve heard DB has taken long time,may be they grounded the director in the middle like TZP and AK or his wife reshooted later. i am not sure, read somewhere.
July 2, 2011 at 3:52 PM
Neither i found it dat “o my god ill die laughing” funnny… i think u watched a diffrent movie
July 2, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Yes,people bursts with laughter for farting scenes and 3 Idiot’s roti making scene. Is it the way of entertaining the audience?
Amir has sensed the audience pulse.
July 2, 2011 at 4:07 PM
iamthat.. m i talking about everyone!!!!!no.. this is what we felt n said.. it is just an info..!!!! do not feel bad if i say anything bad… mAY B i expected a high from this movie and was disappointing thats its!!!!!!!!
n one more thing..
pulling a movie down doesn’t make the other movie up n hit!!!so relax.. i would be more than happy to see both movie profiting!! but db disappointed us!!! n to your misery.. one family wit elderly left in the middle of db!!! thanks to farting character pressing b**bs of the prostitute!!!
July 2, 2011 at 3:50 PM
“roamed in afternoon heat to at least 4 multiplexes in hyd to get tickets!!!! “—-Pandey—thats what a real fan is…lol
btw if u r not getting tickets in 4 plexes, whats this f..in crap bout 20-30% attendance??
Its really surprsing that in this day n age , proper validated computer generated figures (atleast of the plexes) are not possible??
ps—just revisited parts of “heat” –enjoyed it—always wonder how it was decided between de niro and al pacino as to who will play which role?
July 2, 2011 at 4:00 PM
alex…………. in hyd barring imax prasads, all online booking is not working… yeah.. here too people are rushing for DB. but to be honest..would have been more than happy to laugh at DB jokes. but they were there,,, only few n far!!!!!!!!!!!!! m big fan of hangover , snatch n Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels so was expecting a laugh riot but was left with repetitive toilet jokes n bad hindi dubbing!!!!!!!
July 2, 2011 at 5:02 PM
ted.. have not watched bhtb.. so would not comment.. will see it tomorrow late night n then say!!! but again to put… we were expecting a very good script with laughter after so much of hype about DB!!!!! AS AN ADMIRER OF AMIR KHAN movies .was disappointed and also with false reviewers for telling so much of lie!!!!!!!!!! please don’t take my comment as pulling anyone down.. i respect both Ab sir and Amir!!! but yeah more titled towards Ab sr .. he is the man forced me to bed awe n love and respect Hindi movies!!! n respect and proud off amir of being the man alone fought against idiotic cinema when is produced lagaan!!
July 2, 2011 at 5:05 PM
SATYAM…….. Did you watch DB and BHTB!!! I SAW db and was disppoijnted!!! will watch bhtb tomorrow late night on sunday @ pvr,hyderabad!!!!
July 2, 2011 at 5:47 PM
caught Bbuddah today, hope to watch DB soon.
July 2, 2011 at 5:23 PM
Once again validation of Satyam’s observation from AB himself..
Copy & paste from AB’s blog..
“Many write back in appreciation of my post of yesterday. Many find it most perceptive and honest. Many though question its very presence and why its need. Satyam as always most eloquent and researched makes very valid argument, as does the site http://www.ibosnetwork.com, which I copy now for your benefit ~
Box Office: Buddah Amitabh beating up on Delhi Belly
July 2, 2011 at 6:35 PM
Satyam’s point was valid but plugging in IBOS was not needed.
July 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM
agree. Why AB didn’t talk about how it is faring on Sat?
How the media can compare these two films? I am seeing articesin pother forums DB leads bHTB by miles!! Do they know BHTB is low budget film?
I still wonder how Amir spent 30cr on this? They might have retaken whole movie to cost that much.
July 2, 2011 at 10:46 PM
AB is becoming desperate for that solo hit.. very sad !!
July 2, 2011 at 8:48 PM
Big B posting the link of IBOS is stupidity…previously also he has done similar things like posting internet links with various season KBC TRP ratings… Not sure whether he does not have any idea or just believing his stupid fans and putting links randomly….He should first validate whether this site is trust worthy or not…What ever from today on wards i am 100% sure that this site is being run by Bachhans. I wonder if this man did these kind of tricks in his hey days to remain no 1.
Interestingly how this IBOS link has mentioned “Box Office: Buddah Amitabh beating up on Delhi Belly”. This puts to an end of the healthy competitiveness that was shown by Aamir and Big B prior to movie release.
Seems like Bachhans and their fans are in la-la land (recent such case was TMK where Farah and Shirish behaved childishly) and believing that Buddhaa is beating DB…Except IBOS, every trade analyst is saying DB is ahead and far ahead of BHTB…
July 2, 2011 at 9:21 PM
I honestly have no problem in Big B defending his film or posting articles on his blog which are in favor for his films. However, as soon as IBOS crops up NO CREDIBILITY remains.
I once visited the site and my word it’s a mess. BOI may get many things wrong but IBOS are like 10 times worse and that’s being fair. There nos and commentary is truly baffling.
July 2, 2011 at 10:03 PM
Forget about putting wrong BO numbers…Some of the articles in IBOS in recent past have been utter craps…Their articles prove one thing that they are against a particular community…
I find it strange that such a site is preferred here more than BOI because this site throws random high numbers for Bachhan movies which pleases Bachhan fans…
July 2, 2011 at 10:08 PM
@ Bhalo_Manush – agree with you 100% on IBOS
July 3, 2011 at 2:53 AM
I can say the same for BOI…
Khan kare to raasleela… Bachchan kare to character dheela
July 3, 2011 at 4:18 AM
@Shaurya…When did Aamir published DB numbers to show that it is faring better than BHTB…Rasleela..huh..let me know show some IBOS Raas leela…
IBOS analysis on Raavana
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=22132&z=1
IBOS on LD V/s Aladin..(later LD was a flop but Aladin was a disaster)
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=21870&z=9
IBOS on Drona V/s SIK (this is hilarious…SIK one of the biggest hit of the year backed off for Drona..one of the biggest disasters of Indian cinema)
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?articleid=21153&zoneid=4
IBOS on Big B v/s SRK on TV show..(lol here they have compared KBC with another show where SRK was guest)
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=21853&z=4
If you want we can have some more fun i can provide u more articles like this…IBOS is full of raas leela…Don’t even compare BOI with IBOS…tell me one trade guy in this blog who will say IBOS is better than BOI…
July 2, 2011 at 5:41 PM
The trade is silent on Bbuddah today. Usually they only do that with a Bachchan film when the news is good. heard there is a strong pickup today.
Saw the film by the way. Enjoyed it a lot. Will have a piece on it eventually.
July 2, 2011 at 5:56 PM
Sooner the better to help the collection!
July 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM
I am glad you liked it.
July 2, 2011 at 5:47 PM
SATYAM…bigb mentions you AGAIN on his blog today….Dude….so jealously happy for ya….my gawd….AGAIN!!!!!!!!
July 2, 2011 at 5:54 PM
Satyam—how was the movie?
Also, hope someone gives bachchan the good sense of using satyams feedback more often and BEFOREhand…lol
gud 2 see dimps is alive…lol
July 2, 2011 at 6:02 PM
will say more in a piece but found it very enjoyable. Time just flies on this. It is pure escapist entertainment but bachchan is simply magnetic here. Will say that Poori explicitly intends this to be a tribute and there’s that whole sense here. It’s essentially a ‘comedy’ but I found it strangely bitter-sweet at points. Will say that the film depends on the audience being quite familiar with Bachchan’s iconic moments. The film isn’t about recreating Bachchan in any straight way but simply offering hints of a history. Some of the critics felt this was a fanboy’s film. It certainly is but in a more intelligent way than that characterization suggests. To put it another way I don’t think Poori would disagree with much that I’ve said on this subject! The difference between Poori’s take and say RGV’s in Sarkar is a profound one. Not just because one is more serious than the other. It’s about one director trying to sincerely recreate the gesturality while the other does it simply as a way of pointing to an older history. Then there is the third Khakee mode which too is sincere in a different way. But again will expand on all of this in a piece. It’s obviously just meant to be an entertainer. But Bachchan is in commanding form here and with a directness that I did not see from him even in BnB.
July 2, 2011 at 6:07 PM
By the way I think editing the Raveena song was the right decision. It would have seemed forced in the narrative. In one sense a bit regrettable because it’s rather catchy otherwise but I think Puri made the right decision. Do think the Go Meera pop video should have been used in the end credits. Perhaps this will be added later. I don’t know.
July 2, 2011 at 6:16 PM
Will say that the film depends on the audience being quite familiar with Bachchan’s iconic moments.
— I agree with that. How many of current movie goers familiar with bachchan’s moments? That dictates the bO.
After watching DB, I finally agree with you AK as producer. That movie wouldn’t have got more than 10cr with any other producer.
July 2, 2011 at 8:00 PM
Going for the 9.45 show. Excited.
July 3, 2011 at 2:47 AM
Satyam
Your old nemesis beld. Although we enjoy a very healthy hate hate relationship
…..have to give you my feedback. Absolutely enjoyed a bachchan movie after ages. I think you shouldnt analyze this movie at all. It is all bachchan….and some more.
Go and enjoy this one guys…..amitabh at his best. And I must agree…with this movie…he showed who the baap of them all is.
Ta ta…and how is my good friend Rajen doing? Still occupying himself with potshots….I presume.
July 3, 2011 at 3:03 AM
Thanks BELD for your feedback and much appreciated considering there is some history between you and satyam .. and this once again proves that when it come to movies, nothing comes against, even personal problems. Thank You Very Much ..
July 3, 2011 at 3:29 AM
Beld – I thought you would sing..I hate you like I love you in brackets
July 3, 2011 at 4:08 AM
thanks Beld.. I just put up my piece on it.. good to hear you enjoyed it..
July 2, 2011 at 6:03 PM
@Alex: I am under the weather and I am tired of wordpress as well (comments not going where they need to go…works at times and doesn’t work at others…I tend to give up); Satyam is again going to act nonchalant (sp?) and be kool (I would be jumping up and down). Yhea. Bigb prolly does..we may not know it, u Know.
How are your hindi lessons coming along, Alex? Which part of India are you from (north/south)? Just curious.
July 2, 2011 at 6:08 PM
Not acting cool at all…
hope you feel better..
July 3, 2011 at 1:46 AM
LOL alex answer that to the lady
July 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM
Akshay Kumar’s Housefull 2 to release with Salman Khan’s Ek Tha Tiger
BUSINESSOFCINEMA.COM TEAM 02 July , 2011
MUMBAI: Sajid Nadiadwala’s Housefull 2 starring Akshay Kumar is all set to release on 1 June, 2012 along with Yash Raj Films’ Salman Khan – Katrina Kaif starrer Ek Tha Tiger.
Directed by Sajid Khan, Housefull 2 also stars John Abraham, Riteish Deshmukh, Shreyas Talpade, Asin, Zarine Khan, Jacqueline Fernandez, Shazahn Padamsee, Rishi Kapoor, Randhir Kapoor and Mithun Chakraborty.
The movie is slated to release post IPL 2012.
Nadiadwala said, “We are very happy to announce that Housefull 2 will release on 1 June next year. Nadiadwala Grandson Entertainment has had a longstanding equation with cricket, which has always proved lucky for us and we hope the next year is no exception.”
July 2, 2011 at 9:28 PM
Eid next year falls on Aug 20th or 21st. Now KICK or SHER KHAN one of the two will defo come on Eid. This is a slot Salman has now made his own. Now if ETT comes on June the 1st and does well that means whichever film above has been selected for Eid will only have max 5-6 weeks. Not enough time imo.
However, the same seems to be happening for Bodyguard so I don’t know what they are planning. HF2 should take a big opening coz the first one opened but ETT is a REAL biggie and my most awaited Salman film as of now.
Plus Salman is close firends with Sajid Nadiadwala and considering there working in KICK this clash also casts doubts in my mind.
However in the recent past whenever a film of Salman has set a date they have stuck to it so I do expect ETT to come on June the 1st. HF2 many months back confirmed this date so I also don’t expect them to budge.
SHOULD BE FUN
July 2, 2011 at 9:36 PM
What I meant above ^^ when I said Salman films don’t move is that Dabangg booked 10th Sep and so many films did also but moved. The same happened with Ready also so I do expect ETT to stick with this date. However, long time to go and before that many big films yet to come.
Plus HF2 has completed around 30% whereas ETT is starting at the end of July. They already have all the dates of Salman and locations set. Much of the film will be shot from end July to Oct 18th (that’s when KICK starts). ETT is priced well HF2 has a problem if it clashes coz it’s a far more expensive film. Salman price from what i know will be taken from the profits.
July 2, 2011 at 7:44 PM
if anybody wants “proof” on TARAN ADARSH’s “big lie”.. on the Australian screen counts of both DB & BHTB.. can check it out on these websites (hoyts.com.au) for DB and (readingcinema.com.au) for BHTB…where it clearly shows that DB has more than 10 screens($28,051) and BHTB has hardly 3 screens($5945)in the “whole of Australia”…which is good compared to DB in Australia !!
July 3, 2011 at 1:33 AM
Delhi belly will flop.It wont trend well.It wont gross more than 30 crores.
July 3, 2011 at 1:36 AM
ha ha ha ……ho ho ho….khi khi khi……dhin chak dhin chak…..toing……bhag bhag sunil bhag
July 3, 2011 at 1:53 AM
hmmm.. sunil… it wont flop.. it will become Hit..that’s definite but wont make money to become superhit as it does not have repeat value but yeah youth will lap on to it and it will surely be a Hit…
btw.. loved poori jaganathhan acting..she is not conventional herione type material ..she has talent!!!! hope she does not go Sahana goswani path and lost in crowded bollywood!!!
July 3, 2011 at 1:54 AM
ok here it is. Neither boi nor taran have reported any figures for sat and sun. Looks like they have conveniently
ignored them.When people in nG report so many things against big b i feel they are childish and i am sure these useless
NRIS are trying to find their true identity. Me i am a NRI myself.
July 3, 2011 at 2:45 AM
Had to been Fri 11:00 PM show at a LA suburb. For an 11:00 PM show we had 50% audience which is definitely not bad..Big B is in full form..I hoped to see a Masala movie of 80s style and this was what I got it and thoroughly enjoyed..Audience was clapping for Big B’s dialogues and seem to enjoy the fare..But few negative points for me were Amitjis make up, not having full version of Haal-a-dil song and of course the release strategy..Amitji dressing did not go well..I wish they had presented him KBC style and looks like Amitji had a very bad hair style in most parts of the movie..Mr Deepak Swanat ( his makeup man) should do a better job,,it was just so bad..And the timings in this multiplex for BHTB was so bad and felt sorry for the release..DB was getting the prime time slots and screens..Not sure what the deal was..
But for me:
Somewhere in the middle of the Haale-a-Dil song, there is shot where Amitji in full whites, with blue dark sun glass and matching scarf runs in the beach..the iconic Big B running style..this shot was just for about 20 -30 seconds…And to me was the worth the price of Ticket..Rest of the movie was free..:)..Thanks RGV and Puri for making Amitji the way I saw growing up. I always want to see him this way too (No matter how it does in BO..)
July 3, 2011 at 3:12 AM
Rajesh….thanks for reminding me. That haal-e-dil song is absolute awesomeness. To me the best song of the year so far….by miles
July 3, 2011 at 3:48 AM
Yes..Beld..I agree..just love this song..Surprisingly, yet I don’t see this catching up yet with many folks and not climbing the music charts feels sad..This song deserves a LOT !!
July 3, 2011 at 7:30 AM
agree with your review. The makup and hair puts you off.Why don’t they take care in these small issues?
July 3, 2011 at 3:05 AM
hi
Now BOI giving no figures for Saturday for Budda and also indicating
that DB has not improved its collections for Sat?
If this is not plagirism then please re-define it for me…
And people in NG still think they are GOD…my foot
naren
July 3, 2011 at 3:25 AM
No its not sayin DB ha improved….
It is sayin it is good in Mysore and other metros..
But has not picked up on saturday at the centres it performed poor…
Weekend to b less then 20 crores… for DB…. as per BOI
July 3, 2011 at 3:18 AM
TARAN’S LATEST TWEET…. BBUDDHA ‘ 1.91 CRORES ‘…. friday figures in INDIA….
July 3, 2011 at 4:08 AM
interesting…
July 3, 2011 at 3:21 AM
TARAN’S LATEST TWEET…. BBUDDHA ‘ 1.91 CRORES ‘…. friday figures in INDIA…. they r increasing… from 1 to 1.91
July 3, 2011 at 3:23 AM
now they have removed the report for DB as well for saturday.LOL lagte manipulate kar rahe hain
lol
July 3, 2011 at 4:10 AM
Saturday Update: Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap
Sunday 3rd July 2011 13.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap showed improvement on Saturday as it grossed around 2 crore nett taking its two day total to near 3.25 crore nett.
Multiplexes showed good improvement at most places but problem is the start base to low and the film will have to show huge jump on Sunday and even then it will not be even a decent weekend.
The film hopes are dependent on the weekdays and if it can do good on the weekdays then maybe at the end of the first week it could have half decent collections for week one.
July 3, 2011 at 4:12 AM
This is bull. They’re still taking that 1.25 crore Fri number. Taran has it at close to 2 crores now. Since they’re also admitting Sat showed improvement it has to be at least double that 2 crore number. Suspect Sun will be significantly bigger. The weekend should be 10-12 crores on this.
July 3, 2011 at 4:23 AM
If you have been following Taran (and I suspect you haven’t) he always quotes numbers provided by the movie makers initially, but comes back to BOI numbers (taken from the exhibitors) in 2 weeks. This is for all movies
2 day total is 3.25 cr
July 3, 2011 at 4:30 AM
BOI numbers are not applicable for bachchan movies .. as simple as that ..
July 3, 2011 at 4:38 AM
ok, i will provide nums then 1 cr + 1.1 cr = 2.1 cr 2 days total
July 3, 2011 at 4:40 AM
Maha beta, that’s the total of SRK’s Always Kabhi Kabhi. Jaa kar us ke collections badha….
July 3, 2011 at 4:46 AM
ROFL Saket .. Bbuddah Crossed AKK lifetime collections in one day ..
July 3, 2011 at 5:04 AM
Bbuddah not gonna do much better than AKK anyways
July 3, 2011 at 4:37 AM
ROFL!!!!!
July 3, 2011 at 4:57 AM
big b’s latest tweet:
“Amitabh Bachchan’s latest tweet :
“Thank you all #BHTBaap, a success on day one itself .. eminent trade analyst TaranAdarsh confirms figure of 1.91 cr, we needed 1.5 cr””
rofl!
July 3, 2011 at 5:09 AM
What is happening to the Bachchans? First Junior fighting with Taran, Big B posting IBOS article on his blog and now this.
Thinks we don’t understand the economics of film making. Does he forget half of it goes to exhibitors?
And as per this so called ‘eminent trade analyst’ the costs are 22 cr.
July 3, 2011 at 5:20 AM
The trade knows more than the producers of the movie? When Bachchan has himself tweeted that the total cost is 17 Crores, including P&A, then what’s the bloody confusion?!
3/4th is already recovered. This means only 10 crores nett will see the film recover completely and then some!
July 3, 2011 at 5:33 AM
Taran got his number from Viacom. So yes, he knows better how much Viacom acquired it for
July 3, 2011 at 6:11 AM
Even with a figure of 22 crores, 14 crores are enough for recovery. (Taran also mentioned that 14.75 Crores have already been recovered). So chill.
July 3, 2011 at 6:15 AM
Let me give you some inside information. 50% of the Satellite rights go to Amitabh as remuneration. Also the 14.5 cr is dependent on movie performance. If the movie underperforms, it can come to 8 cr.
July 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM
You have “inside” information? LOL
I have “inside” information that you are a troll. Comes from inside my mind.
Jokes aside, let’s come out with the agenda. What’s the point you wish to prove? And if you claim to be on the inside, then who are you? Put at least some facts on the table for a change.
July 3, 2011 at 4:28 AM
Well, if BOI has doubled the numbers from friday to Sat .. and considering they are still not correcting Friday numbers ..
we can assume 2(Friday) + 3.25(Saturday) + 5 (Saunday)
This will be 10.25 Crore weekend, not bad keeping in mind strong competition and half screen space ..
And Bbuddah will sustain on weekdays .. and first week will be minimum 16-17 Crore .. A clean success based on cost of 17 Crore total.
July 3, 2011 at 4:12 AM
Delhi Belly First Two Days UPDATED
Sunday 3rd July 2011 12.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Delhi Belly came in little lower than estimated on Friday as final Mumbai circuit total was lower. On Saturday, Mumbai, Delhi/UP and Mysore circuit has jumped giving the film big growth while other circuts have not grown as much. The two day total is 13 crore nett apprx. The break down is below with friday numbers in brackets
Mumbai – 275 (235)
Delhi/UP – 160 (127)
East Punjab – 71 (65)
West Bengal – 35 (32)
Bihar – 6 (6)
CI – 18 (17)
CP Berar – 24 (22)
Rajasthan – 25 (25)
Nizam – 27 (28)
Mysore – 52 (39)
Others – 13 (12)
TOTAL – 706 (602)
July 3, 2011 at 4:50 AM
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
@
@SrBachchan Sir, showing upward trend everywhere. I am expecting it to remain steady on weekdays too, since the word of mouth is v positive.
July 3, 2011 at 4:59 AM
http://twitchfilm.com/reviews/2011/07/delhi-belly-review.php
July 3, 2011 at 5:31 AM
watched the movie and all i have to say is big b roccckkks
July 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM
@srbachchan @Subro03 No … we made a low cost film and are happy with the return .. our theaters are less in capacity also and number, hence low return
July 3, 2011 at 6:39 AM
Now this is where BOI played the game .. first they projected equal screen space for both Bbuddah and DB .. so that later no one can come with excuse of different capacity. But any blind can see looking at BMS that how much lesser ar screen space of Bbuddah compare to DB …
and if any IDIOT think that apart from BMS, there are other screens also exists .. then first he should learn that ratio of distribution between DB and BBHTB will be same for all sites .. if it is very less at BMS . . it will be same for other dealers ..
Also .. BHTB has more SS then multiplexes .. in that case capacity in terms of money will be much lesser for BHTB ..
Arrree.. even Bheja Fry had better screens than Bbuddah . .
July 3, 2011 at 6:44 AM
Not surprising, coming from BOI. Actually, Delhi Belly’s tagline should read “SHIT HAPPENS…@ BOI”"
July 3, 2011 at 6:58 AM
very dissapointed that BHTB didnt get a screen in Perth here in Western Australia..would have gone atleast 500kms to see it but cant go……3438 kms as the next closest screen showing BHTB is in Melbourne:-( and the sad part is that its there only in 2 theaters in sydney and 1 in melbourne…cant understand why viacom 18 & AB corp did this foolishness as by next week most of the people here will have its Pirated DVD’s.
July 3, 2011 at 7:50 AM
aran_adarsh taran adarsh
‘Bbuddah HTB’ would’ve collected double/triple of what it has, had it averted clash with other films. Would’ve got more screens also.
July 3, 2011 at 8:52 AM
Taran to Bachchan:
Sir, showing upward trend everywhere. I am expecting it to remain steady on weekdays too, since the word of mouth is v positive.
July 3, 2011 at 9:09 AM
Bachchan is teasing taran with tweets like ‘eminent trade analyst’.
July 3, 2011 at 9:12 AM
ABCL should realize release time should be perfect to succeed with its full capacity. taran itself admitting it would have made 2 to 3 times more,
July 3, 2011 at 9:48 AM
the fact that BIG B takes so much pain to quote taran et all….shows how insecure he feels….needlessly….has aamir tried to quote-unquote someone….it is just 1 day after the release….take it easy BIG B….u are never going to loose ur fans with a flop or hit now…..why loose the respect they have for u? DB is going to collect at least 3 times more than BTHB….no matter what Big B does or reacts to
July 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM
Idea,
Try not to patronise. I understand you are Aamir fan and all.
AB hardly needs your advise. Go , take a crap.Shit happens.
July 3, 2011 at 10:04 AM
idea,
do you realize DB’s budget is 3 times more? Ab himself tweeted he will not shy away from fact 1.9 cr. Why are you comparing both?
DB would not have gotten even 2 stars if it is not AK’s film.
July 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM
rajen, a long time ago i’ve stopped reading/responding your bull-shit stuff ?
July 3, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Satyam…how are you allowing rajen1 to talk like this to another member? I am surprised.
July 3, 2011 at 9:03 AM
i’ve read that db has 1600 screens compared to bbuddah’s 1000. DB also has the bigger theatres and more screenings…. so how can one even compare the two?
Anyway…this report from Bhopal…
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/bigb/message/111783
July 3, 2011 at 9:05 AM
WOW!
July 3, 2011 at 10:18 AM
Idea, bhtb will succeed no matter what.You should worry about aamir khan after the flop of db,dhuan.
July 3, 2011 at 1:43 PM
“Satyam…how are you allowing rajen1 to talk like this to another member? I am surprised.”—lol thecooldude—
seems Rajen1/2 is getting “rounded up” by various different folks again lol
btw seems satyam will have to ‘bail him out ” again lol
hahaha
July 3, 2011 at 9:35 AM
they’re saying AP underreported here:
http://andhraboxoffice.com/info.aspx?id=157&cid=6&fid=418
July 3, 2011 at 9:50 AM
I am truly disgusted by the BO reporting.
There is no way to reconcile people’s experiences with the reported numbers. The cinema hall I watched it in was about 60% for the 9,45 pm show.
July 3, 2011 at 9:53 AM
agreed..
July 3, 2011 at 9:56 AM
equally there is no reporting in the media for all the shows in all the places where the film seems to be doing hugely well. Based on all the anecdotal evidence.
Do think this will have legs and will yet surprise folks.
July 3, 2011 at 10:00 AM
This guys a movie critic for DNA India …
AniGuha Aniruddha Guha
BTW, there aren’t any tickets left for BHTB: its House Full. So are Delhi Belly and Transformers. Super Sunday for exhibitor
July 3, 2011 at 9:53 AM
will be watching BHTB with family tonight @pvrcinema,hyd @ 10.30 pm …..
July 3, 2011 at 10:13 AM
from the link Aby2000 has just posted (Bhopal):
there are very many places where things are similar. The trade isn’t mentioning this at all.
July 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM
Picture is worth a thousand words and seeing is believing. Don’t say a word and just show the images will be very effective in this Twitter & blog era.
July 3, 2011 at 11:07 AM
yeah apparently there are similar scenes in Hyderabad and Calcutta and so on. Qalandar just told me he saw DB in Bombay, it was 80% full but he couldn’t get BBuddah as it was sold out. Doesn’t mean there’s a direct comparison between the two films (earlier he couldn’t get DB tickets either) but there have been very many reports of house full shows and very many of strong attendance.
July 3, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Why don’t U ask Qalandar and others to post a picture here? It would not just validate but also a great collection.
July 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM
By the way someone observed about RS’s silence on BHTP but that is no longer true..
rohansippy Rohan Sippy
Watching BHTB @ Gaeity- great fun!
July 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM
don’t think he took a picture. But I’m trying to see if I can get other images from elsewhere. again it’s not just about the collections. There is clearly pandemonium at many theaters. The trade never refers to this. So even when they talk about a pickup the magnitude at many centers is not represented whereas with other stars they would get into all the details.
On DB this looks to be having a weekend in the vicinity of 25 crores and then probably a 32-35 crore week if it retains its pace. Taran is now saying this:
“‘Delhi Belly’ business is clearly divided. Metros/multplexes have been wonderful, but traditional markets [heartland] not as good.”
but this was in fact always the only market for DB! Nonetheless this is a distinction the rest of the trade hasn’t been making. So it’s just not fair and neutral reporting either way. I always thought DB could easily do 30 crores in week 1 and looks it will do this even at the low end.
July 3, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Yup.
Some silly Aamir fans will still try to dispute it.
F***ing losers.
July 3, 2011 at 2:11 PM
Good to see this place becoming NG. Keep up the lingo.
July 3, 2011 at 7:37 PM
In an inteview Puri said he wants to bring back full house boards for AB’s film. He has succeeded that.
July 3, 2011 at 8:18 PM
andhraboxoffice
Bbuddah : shows increased from 2 to 4 today in Nellore. Running with All Fulls
Bbuddah released in 25+ screens in Hyd n around 50 in AP, but Bolly Pundits are quoting 7Lakhs Day 1 Nett.
Most Importantly Bbuddah had all Full Day 1 in all Main theatres of Hyd,Vja & Vizag. Hyd alone should fetch around 20L nett.
Btw, from today 1 more theatre was added for Bbuddah in Vizag!!, it is clear that Bolly Trade is quoting completely baseless numbers .
July 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM
yeah the Andhra evidence has repeatedly been contrary to everything else.
July 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM
“would have gone atleast 500kms to see it but cant go……3438 kms as the next closest screen showing BHTB is in Melbourne”—Changez Khan–fully appreciate and identify with your sentiment—although I admit that I wont travel 500km for any movie…lol
Bg Big mistake by abcl/viacom—both release date n number of centres.
And to top it, using this to explain the low numbers. Y not think positive—they would have been sitting on atleast double the numbers with a different release date…
July 3, 2011 at 2:01 PM
reporting in terms of occupancy and numbers where again wrong and so do theatrical count but ya its nice to bachchan worked up again
its not late 70′s to early 90′s where he banned media for 13 years and they in print , trade tried to label every hit of his as inconsequential but ya it was his stature which kept on undoing it
this is different era and just how being vocal and has exposed many things … bachchan should have started it a decade ago
blog and social networking sites have only helped his reach
on to delhi belly thats what felt the slang and curse will have limited audiences and it was never there for hindi heartland anyway .. it was more for 18-30 age group
July 3, 2011 at 2:04 PM
I posted my comments in another thread, but they are more relevant here. One and Two.
July 3, 2011 at 2:12 PM
and ya there is a very disturbing trend of slangs which is used as attention seeking
vishal bhardawaj was the one who started it with omkara and continued it with all his films including one called kaminey
kashyap continued it in shaitan and now even aamir khan following the footsteps
may be its a new brand of so called coolness but one has to remember its limited to select brand of audiences and thats why these films get “A” tag
July 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM
and its amore amusing to see 69 year old bachchan telling kitna bada c*****a hai tu in buddha’s trailor when he is supposed to be the example as senior statesman
this so called uber lingo is making mockery of things
July 3, 2011 at 2:25 PM
not sure if bachchan fans were expecting a huge opening but this opening for the film is expected for me. there wasnt enough buzz before the film released. i think it will do around 25cr overall and will be a clean hit. DB on the other hand has disappointing numbers. there was a lot more buzz for the film, the songs are a rage. i was expecting bigger numbers as per the ’30cr’ first week early estimate. i think overall both films have had underwhelming openings. both films will make money because they were smart with investing it although DB will barely become a clean hit at this point if it continues this trend.
July 3, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Both films seem to have underperformed. But both have redeeming factors it seems. I think with Delhi Belly it is very much a case of it peaking a bit too early. The sheer number of song promos and some hitting and some missing hurt the film a bit. In the week before release, BHTB generated some buzz over it. But saying that, DB was always going to take a good opening, the question was whether it would good or extra-ordinary. I expected the latter but overall its a good one. 30 crore first week still seems on the cards and considering only Imran Khan is a recognisable star (addition to AKP and its brand value), a very anti-family friendly script, 80%+ english dialogue, its still done very good business so far – no film of this kind would have done as much so its still a feather in AKP cap.
For BHTB I think the choice to open with a “hot” or “buzz” film was in hindsight a bad call. Time will tell whether the business lost can be recovered but maybe releasing against Murder 2 was a better option. Because the reviews have been positive so its not like the films a poor one. Whats hurt the film is competition and maybe losing vital important slots at theatres which otherwise it would have got. A bad business decision in my view. And I think the 4 little promos should have come earlier and the marketing blitz should have revolved around that.
July 3, 2011 at 2:53 PM
good stuff jay. agree on most of what you’ve said. i am little harsher on DB. i think AKP has been taking a hit lately but i guess because i am spoiled with higher expectations.
BHTB numbers are bad(10-12 weekend for a ‘masala’ movie) anyway you look at them but it will be a hit end of the day because of how cheap it was made(similar to DG).
July 3, 2011 at 3:12 PM
I think AKP with Peepli Live, Dhobi Ghat & Delhi Belly hasn’t hit one out the park like Lagaan or TZP or JTYJN. But I don’t think any producer or actor could have taken these 3 films as far as AKP’s brand has. They were all pretty experimental except I think DB is an unusually expensive film – don’t know why because after seeing it I don’t know how and why it needed to be expensive. But hey if you work out how much these 6 films cost its probably Lagaan (30 crore), TZP (10 crore), JTYJN (15 crore), PL (10 crore), Dhobi Ghat (5 crore), Delhi Belly (25 crore) so like around 95-100 crore, whatever they are sold at (I don’t know) they will make about 230 crore + from India alone even without getting into the whole business of overseas revenue, music and satelite.
He is getting his economics right. And he only starred in 3 of them, Imran in two (and he is hardly a top star) – no recognised female leads etc. So none of these big casts or massive productions. It’s the most successful production house now surely and making films at a reasonable price and good marketing. Many could learn. But it all helps that Aamir Khan’s brand value is high.
July 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM
Agree with Jayshah, that without aamir Khans Tag —Even if DB was double the film it is, the prospects wiould have been less than one-tenth.
Lots of interesting stuff coming out of bollywood with low bidget–good concep vibe–not all have backings like DB….
Wanna check out Shaitaan–due to the KasHyap involvement…One of the song looks interesting–Worth checking out–like the sound here–n joy
July 3, 2011 at 5:11 PM
“I think AKP with Peepli Live, Dhobi Ghat & Delhi Belly hasn’t hit one out the park like Lagaan or TZP or JTYJN. But I don’t think any producer or actor could have taken these 3 films as far as AKP’s brand has. ”
completely agree here…But as Aamir said in an interview that some times he might fail also…He can not make a Lagaan every time..but what I admire about Aamir is that he is trying different genres rather than sticking to a particular genre which is successful at a particular time like Ghajinti, wanted, Dabaang, Buddha, Singham etc…As a producer also he is very reasonable…
July 3, 2011 at 9:33 PM
jay, good man – so heartening to read something like this.
July 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM
not that you particularly need ‘heartening’ on this subject!
July 3, 2011 at 11:39 PM
i want DB to emerge as a clear winner and BTHP a hit but far below DB – that wud be heartening too for me satyam
July 3, 2011 at 9:46 PM
agreed on all counts..
July 3, 2011 at 10:03 PM
I’d be kinder on the three films you’ve mentioned though. You can’t really hit one out of the park with DG. It’s just not possible. Without Aamir this would have made Rs 2! And even Peepli’s is I think a very impressive number relative to the film. What happens is because of Aamir’s name people show up for these films but they’re not otherwise patronizing such cinema. I tend to find both PL and DG quite remarkable on the gross. Yes with DG one could say that after the initial weekend it hardly did anything but this is a true blue art-house film as well. Getting on to DB again I don’t see a problem here. Assuming this film does at least 45 crores (frankly I think even 40 crores is fine) I would consider this a very solid hit. The trade has exaggerated things and therefore Sat doesn’t seem to represent a pickup. But I think this film was always going to appeal to a certain segment of the audience. The growth potential here doesn’t really exist without attracting the family audience which I never thought would show up on this one. I always felt 30 crores in week 1 would be a fantastic number for it, I was dubious about 40 because it would have to be a sensational success within its target demographic to get there. The film is doing hugely well at its target multiplexes. Not all. So really I don’t see so far anything wrong here so far. For another film the almost zero pickup on Sat would mean something. For example DMD should have picked up a lot more between Sat and Sun given that the family audience wasn’t totally opposed here or anything. Here Abhishek’s current standing definitely impacted the initial. Even assuming the very same trending the film could have easily done 45-50 crores if he had been in a successful phase. But that’s not the case with DB. There’s no growth potential here with other segments of the audience. Now it is true that TZP or JTYJN were at a different level (though DB could conceivably get to the latter.. less likely but possible.. would still be less accounting for inflation but then JTYJN must have attracted some measure of the family audience.. DB’s 45 crores might mean as much as JTYJN’s 55 or whatever) but TZP remember had important tax breaks relatively early. Leaving this aside no one was opposed to the film. Families came in a big way, because of Aamir’s prestige many in the youth segment did as well. It’s very hard to do that with edgier stuff like DB.
So I should rephrase what I said earlier. Guess I don’t agree on all counts!
July 3, 2011 at 2:47 PM
Go Meera Go – Audience Reaction!!!
July 4, 2011 at 4:52 AM
Excellent!!
July 3, 2011 at 3:49 PM
Some good news from here in South Africa,earlier BHTB was showing in a smaller theatre to DB which was in the biggest(the supernova) but apparently yesterday they changed the two and moved BHTB into the supernova since it was doing much better here on Friday than DB!Fatima said it’s running to packed houses here in Durban! Can’t say I’m surprised since a film genre like DB is not that appealing to the South African audience as they tend to like the more masala type and family oriented movies! Was actually surprised that they they were showing DB in the bigger cinema in the first place,but glad they’ve rectified their mistake! Anyway just goes to show how Mr Bachchan still rocks here!!! He has always been the most popular actor here in South Africa anyway!
July 3, 2011 at 3:59 PM
i see–so there is a lot of bollywood family/ traditional audience in SA?–not surprisingly then, Buddha should do well!
Not common to see films being moved midweek…lol—seems buddha has spanked DB to force that!
“Fatima said it’s running to packed houses here in Durban! “–Who is Fatima?
July 3, 2011 at 4:18 PM
Alex,the Fatima I was referring 2 is the one that ABsir mentions on his blog as Fats, he mentioned her name today actually!
Yes SA has a large Indian population infact last year we celebrated 100 years since the first Indian settlers arrived in SA! Durban is like a mini- India here!
Just watch the 1991 visit of Mr B’s to SA on youtube or the Now or Never concert and you will see how crazy we are about Bollywood and Mr B in particular here!
July 3, 2011 at 4:42 PM
FF-U seem to be a real big b fan who has seen him thru his early 70s peak (unlike me). Is he still so popular there amongst the new generation there!
Who are the other top3 (male &female) amongst the younger generation ?
July 4, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Lol,Alex I’m only 19 so I definitely havn’t witnessed AB at his peak!But I guess me being this age and being such a huge AB. Fan answers your question about the younger generation here,yes he is still popular here! Whatever I have heard about AB’s younger days is from my parents and the older generation all of whom are BigB fans! And I’ve seen videos on youtube of his 1991 visit and man that is something else,craziness!Went for his Now or never concert in 2002 was like 11 then but that was awesome! Actually even at functions like wedding’s and stuff if u want people to dance just play a BigB song lol! So yeah I think he will always be an actor who has had the most popularity here!
If you ask about today’s actor’s then it varies fom Salman,Hrithik,SRK but basically it’s not one particular star, more the type of movie
July 5, 2011 at 3:21 AM
Fimilfan– that was a nice update and proves y big b is still the best!! And that u have a good taste lol
If u r this age, hope u indulge in the numerous outdoor sports and even those like airballoonijg, snorkelling and the nightlife–lol
Btw suspect that these n others like bungee jumping are overall much cheaper than in say Australia or NZ–&the nightlife is brilliant?
July 3, 2011 at 7:57 PM
Having followed the entire anecdotal trail on this, also using my own judgment in this matter, looking at some of the trade numbers and allowing for their anti-Bachchan games I am fairly confident that Bbuddah on Fri was at least 2.5 crores if not more. Sat was easily double this. And Sun should be higher. I think we are looking at a 12-15 crore weekend for BBuddah. By the way this is hardly huge. The Fri number is still low. But what the trade is saying is just bull. This film is enjoying some very strong trending. I’ve heard about too many shows from too many places. The idea that it’s not even doing 5 crores or so on Sat is just idiocy are either anti-Bachchan partisans or don’t know what they’re talking about. So it’s not as if anyone is saying this is doing 10 crores after a pickup. 12-15 crores is still hardly a huge weekend but it is great for a film budgeted this way and also given some of the competition. But as for those who like BOI say it did 1.25 crores on Fri, or a bit higher on Sat, those who want to believe BBuddah is doing like Game are free to do so. Again I will repeat what I said — either people are partisans or they’re completely ignorant when they believe these ludicrous claims.
But this always happens with the Bachchans anyway. When DMD released some multiplexes were doing very well. The trade pretended otherwise until much later when Taran sort of admitted certain things. Getting back to BBuddah I believe it is definitely going to do 30 crores. To predict more one will have to look at retention over the weekdays and of course the second weekend. But even at 30 crores this will be a great result for this film (given it’s very low budget) and with a relatively strong second week 40 crores is a done deal.
On DB the trade has presented a different sort of excess. The film is behaving fine. Given the subject and the treatment and some of controversies it was always going to be strongest in the multiplexes of major metros with some performing well elsewhere too. I think this is pretty much the DMD paradigm with the difference being that the trade gave a very different narrative to DMD. Now I certainly expect DB to hold up more strongly than the latter. But as far as the weekend goes there is good reason to believe that the film didn’t do more than 5-6 crores on Fri, picked up a bit on Sat but not very significantly. Here the interesting thing is that taran’s own ‘narratives’ on both films mirror everything I’m saying here except that he just starts off with a much higher base for DB and a much lower one for BBuddah. I think DB is not showing the kind of growth over the weekend that one would normally expect precisely because it’s probably scaring off the family audience. I see a plausible scenario here for a 18-20 crore weekend but even accepting Taran’s figures, which are the highest possible here, you still have no more than a 23 crore weekend or so. Again this is not too far from DMD’s number/range for the low end. But notice how differently the two films were reported. Taran now says DB is best in Bombay, Delhi, Bangalore multiplexes. Some similar thing was said for DMD too but again the numbers were reported differently and colored differently. With DMD too I had said that the reaction was very strong among younger audiences and the trade narrative made no sense. EVentually they changed their tune to a degree. Still I expect DB to hold up much better than DMD. And again I don’t think it’s right to say DB hasn’t performed as strongly as expected. The trade just got carried away here by pretending this was some sort of massive universal opening. That too is bull. The film is extremely stable so far in the multiplexes where it has received the best patronage. Again assuming this film holds up well I would say it’s probably good for 45 crores or so, perhaps 40 if it fizzles out more quickly but higher than 45 if it has a strong second weekend.
I can certainly see a plausible scenario where Bbuddah and DB don’t end up too far apart. But yes I would bet more on DB getting to 45 crores than BBuddah getting there. I do sense a stronger wave with the latter but it remains to be seen how much of this translates into a strong audience at an increasing number of multiplexes. Don’t believe a success is in doubt here by any stretch of the imagination. The magnitude however is something I am unsure about. But I do believe this can get to 40 crores. Again the retention during the weekdays should tell us more about each film. DB is definitely ahead on the overall gross. But I think the big difference comes out most on Fri. Even Don’t think they’re that far apart on the weekend and might not be so on Sun at all. Will have to check more on this.
Again I repeat here that the narrative I’m pointing toward for both films is being confirmed by the trade except that they just award one film the highest possible numbers and another the lowest possible ones.
July 3, 2011 at 8:23 PM
Doga had provided Indore numbers for both DB and BHTB for Fri and Sat
Fri
DB – 8.2 lakhs approx.
BHTB – 1.7 lakhs approx.
Sat
DB – 8 lakhs approx
BHTB – 2.2 lakhs approx
This clearly puts your conspiracy theory as bull, cause anyone can see DB is 4 times as big as BHTB.
True DB didn’t pick up on Sat as normal because it is not an family film
July 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM
Let’s put it this way.. at no point in time has DB been 4 times the gross of BBuddah on an all India basis. Just talking about one center or another doesn’t mean much. I have already made my views known on how laughable I find notions like the ‘Indore barometer’ in this day and age. But in case DB was at least double that of BBudah on Fri, perhaps even more than this. But not since. And even on Fri it wasn’t even close to 4 times. So again I don’t force anyone to believe what I’m saying. But I consider such claims bull!
July 3, 2011 at 8:36 PM
And what about Taran’s numbers that he received from Viacom (which of course will definitely be higher than actuals)? Amitabh also tweeted those same numbers in case you don’t know calling Taran an esteemed Trade Analyst. Probably Amitabh also wants to under-report collections? LMFAO at your theory!!!
So your consideration is totally bull.
July 3, 2011 at 8:46 PM
But you can’t pick and choose what Bachchan agrees with can you?! Why don’t you also agree when he says it’s a hit? Why don’t you accept his budget claims too? The last time I check AB Corp were also producers. And just because Taran says he got something from Viacom doesn’t mean I have to accept it!
Think Bachchan is being a bit sarcastic there by the way. Because elsewhere he was criticizing the 2-3 trade figures on his blog.
Anyway you already know where I stand.. and I’m not going to change my mind about this till someone can offer me a persuasive case on why I’m wrong! And let’s say folks like yourself have been trying for more than a decade!
Loved Jay’s work when he was doing the numbers every week. I’ve retained it in the sidebar as a model of how things should be done. But guess Taran didn’t like the idea of other people running his numbers and exposing his nonsense as well as that of others like Nahata. So he stopped providing them. Anyway this argument it useless at this point. I don’t think you have anything useful to add to the discussion. You might do better elsewhere where people are more hospitable to your kind of partisanship. If however there are others here who offer sincere debate I am certainly listening.
Incidentally even on DB I am making a better case than the trade, i.e. one that in some ways gives the film more credit than they do. If you call the film ready (in terms of gross) then you have a problem explaining some of the numbers on Sat. But if you go by the idea that it’s absolutely fine in its target multiplexes and cannot attract a greater audience because of the sort of film it is there’s no issue. But all of this is an argument for reasonable people. You are free to believe what you want but let’s not clutter things here with useless stuff or repetition of the same claims.
all over the place people are coming up with accounts of fantastic crowd reaction and strong attendance. Even in the US where the film received negligible advertising and a small screen count an afternoon show was 80% full today. I’ve received tons of accounts from many parts of India. We’ve seen images from Bhopal. Is one to believe that the film is nonetheless only performing like Game or slightly better? Gimme a break!
July 3, 2011 at 8:52 PM
yawn. more bull from Satyam. If only BHTB made a rupee for every word you typed in your post above, it would have easily crossed to safety.
Instead of discussing BO numbers I think you should advise the Bachchans to make better movies than the crap Bbuddah. That will show up as the BO numbers you are claiming for BHTB
July 3, 2011 at 9:33 PM
congrats. You get to have the last word. Let’s move on.
July 4, 2011 at 3:55 AM
So much so for 40 cr. collections and no difference in DB and BHTB in the long run. Here is one figure for you Satyam. Buddha have grossed net 6-6.5 cr. in its weekend run.
Just came to give BOI numbers. Now you can continue your conspiracy theory.
July 3, 2011 at 9:43 PM
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/173420/delhi-belly-minting-money.html
see here. They’re quoting Taran’s numbers but further below:
“However, considering the budget and genre of the two films, both are doing well.
In fact, in some multiplexes “Bbuddah…” is giving neck to neck competition to “Delhi Belly”.
“The response has been good. All the shows of ‘Delhi Belly ‘and ‘Bbuddah..,’ are going houseful. Yesterday ‘Delhi Belly’ was 99 percent while Bbuddah was 98.5 percent,” said Rakesh Warikoo, general manager (operations) Spice Cinemas, who are running 18 shows of “Delhi Belly” and eight shows of ‘Bbuddah… Hoga Teraa Baap’.”
July 4, 2011 at 5:55 AM
For those doubting BOI numbers, here are the numbers from boi.co.in, a different source. You can very well see how it matches BOI numbers
Mumbai
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 2,37,50,000
Delhi Belly 8,54,00,000
Delhi – UP
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 1,34,37,500
Delhi Belly 4,24,50,000
East Punjab
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 53,12,300
Delhi Belly 1,25,50,000
C P
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 37,38,000
Delhi Belly 1,06,50,000
C I
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 26,56,250
Delhi Belly 70,75,000
Rajasthan
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 34,37,500
Delhi Belly 95,00,000
Nizam
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 32,50,000
Delhi Belly 1,15,00,000
Bihar
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 12,50,000
Delhi Belly 26,00,000
Assam
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 5,31,250
Delhi Belly 8,40,000
West Bengal
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 31,25,000
Delhi Belly 92,00,000
Orissa
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 4,06,250
Delhi Belly 6,95,000
Mysore
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap N/A
Delhi Belly 1,75,00,000
TNK
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap N/A
Delhi Belly 25,00,000
Total
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 6,08,94,0
http://www.boxofficeindia.co.in/weekend-update/
July 4, 2011 at 5:56 AM
Missed the total part
Total
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap 6,08,94,050
Delhi Belly 21,24,60,000
Same link as above
http://www.boxofficeindia.co.in/weekend-update/
July 4, 2011 at 6:31 AM
Laughable, cause Taran always over-reports for all movies. Multiple sources have confirmed the same figure. Aur kya?
July 4, 2011 at 6:36 AM
My head is spinning with all these controversies about who did better.
It seems more like a competition between the fans of the two.
Who are these people?
Seems like their main purpose is to dump the sh**t from DB here.
In all this satyam has kept a cool head answering everyone logically. (wish he’d show the same spirit when I have my opinion about Amir LOL!!)
@Alex adam
Could you tell me the name of the cinemas where BHTB is playing in London? I tried to get some information from the net but could only find one cinema in ILford.
Thanks
July 4, 2011 at 7:23 AM
“@Alex adam-Could you tell me the name of the cinemas where BHTB is playing in London? I tried to get some information from the net but could only find one cinema in ILford.Thanks”
Oldgold–hmmm..Depends on where u are/ travelling from….if u can share that…
it is playing in many Cineworld cinema outlets in/ around London–check it out at the usual ones @ Cineworld–Wandsworth, Staples Corner, Feltham, Ilford, O2 Greenwich, Wood Green, Luton or even Vue- Croydon etc.–but Cross check b4hand!
Outside London, the options are limited —the buggers have released it only in Birmingham, Glasgow, cardiff, Nottingham, Edinburgh…
Hope that helps…..lol
Let us know bout your “exploits”—”the adventures of oldgold”–hahaha
July 4, 2011 at 1:58 PM
Thank you Alex, but it doesn’t help. The list of cinemas is there to see on the net, but to check where BHTB is playing is what I wanted to avoid and take the easy way out by asking you. LOL!
July 4, 2011 at 6:45 PM
oldgold – “wish he’d show the same spirit when I have my opinion about Amir LOL!!)”
lol this is funny ..
July 4, 2011 at 6:43 AM
The only thing that’s “laughable” is your attempt to undermine BHTB. Never to be seen otherwise, it’s hilarious how a bunch of people jump in to post at SS when a Bachchan film releases.
And as for BOI, they stand exposed on their agenda(s), since they came into being. Do everyone a favor and try to persuade people who have at least some chance of believing you.
July 4, 2011 at 8:40 AM
LOL, true. But also love how Viacom’s word counts on the film much as every other producer is taken at face value but when the Bachchans are the producers suddenly they’re not acceptable on any claim!
July 4, 2011 at 6:44 AM
I am also giving boi.co.in numbers, can’t you see? they were favoring BHTB and predicting it to have a bigger weekend
July 4, 2011 at 6:53 AM
AndhraBoxOffice.Com
Hyd Bbuddah : 3more ( Vijeta, Sensation, Prema ) theatres added from today!. No.1 film @BO this week in Hyd n other A centres of AP.
July 4, 2011 at 11:50 AM
zharkhand B.O. – 20 theaters added from……every theater has capacity of 20 people – mainly rikshawalas who can shell out Rs. 2 or 5 per ticket…….paan-bidi-gutkha allowed…..BHTB first week shd. take a bumper boost because of this
July 4, 2011 at 12:00 PM
Idea, the stuff you’ve just posted is totally unacceptable.
“mainly rikshawalas who can shell out Rs. 2 or 5 per ticket…….paan-bidi-gutkha allowed”
Forget BHTB Vs DB, this just shows how big the snob mentality is in India. So rikshawallahs are not fit to go and watch movies? I mean it’s one thing to be blase about the politics and social maladies in India, but to openly mock people without “means” just takes the attitude to another (sick) level.
July 4, 2011 at 12:07 PM
saket, as a matter of fact there are thousands of single screen theaters which are like this – and i didn’t write anything against that class – only that hardly matters for the B.O. wars….but looking at Big B’s desperateness to quote andhra B.O. (!!!!!) and likes….i thought this wud also help…..
July 4, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Idea, it helps to learn a few things in life before one starts saying stuff. Hyderabad is an extremely important center for Hindi films. Andhra is particularly important for this film because Puri is the biggest commercial director of Telugu cinema and his Hindi venture probably attracts some people who otherwise wouldn’t watch Hindi films. Also single screens don’t matter very much except when they behave well en bloc. So single screens certainly mattered for Wanted. if you just took the multiplex numbers here you’d have very little! Single screens will matter for Singham. I expect the film to do very well in these and not much in multiplexes. So it all depends on what one is talking about. Much as DB is doing superbly in many multiplexes but not all. But it doesn’t matter. Because the gross is driven by some of the major metros anyway. Or at least it doesn’t matter for a film of this scale.
By the way Bachchan hasn’t quoted the Andhra box office. He just went to Hyderabad for a premiere show, got a huge reaction and talked about it.
July 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM
“zharkhand B.O. ”
lol..good one Idea
July 4, 2011 at 12:21 PM
Yeah, the figures from Jharkhand don’t carry too much weight. But you ALSO exposed a certain ‘mindset’ about places like Jharkhand, rikshawallahs, people who consume paan/beedi/gutkha etc. Basically people who buy their tickets for Rs 2 or 5!
July 4, 2011 at 2:08 PM
I’m all for counting people, (including rickshawallas, paan bidi sellers etc) because that would give the real strenght of a film.
20 rickshapullers paying Rs2.- means Rs 40.-.
2 persons paying Rs100.- means Rs200.-
The fact remains that one film was seen by 20 people and the other by 2.
Personally I don’t care for the money involved, since I’m not going to get any, and crores of Rupees isn’t something I’ll ever see, so all this rejoicing over their earnings is so silly.
One should rejoice over how many people joined you in watching it.
But money.money, money is all that one hears and I’m getting quite sick.
Not only does it seem that there is no transparency here regarding BO, but the unfairness of ticket prices involved too.
People aren’t important, especially rickshawallas and the like.
July 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM
yes this is a point many of us have long believed. There should be data on tickets sold. Because it is indeed true that without this metric the multiplexes dominate overwhelmingly. Unless a film is big is single/double screens it doesn’t get noticed. But then all of the latter are not the same either. There’s a great difference between a single screen in Bombay and one in Bihar. I am also in favor of publishing gross data much like in the west. This gives one the clearest picture. And then of course there should be a metric on tickets sold. In terms of the taxation structure many multiplexes play zero or very little on something like a 5-10 year period. Meanwhile single screens in Bihar pay 55% or something. Makes no sense. But what this means is that certain kinds of results are even more distorted. Wanted did better than its numbers suggest because most of its gross didn’t come from multiplexes. Dabanng too in one sense did better than the numbers. It didn’t do as spectacularly in some major multiplex centers as it did in smaller centers (multiplexes or otherwise). One could perhaps make a similar case for Ghajini. Obviously the films were huge everywhere but particularly so in certain kinds of centers. On the other hand 3I did best in those very major multiplexes. Again did well across the board. But even as we look at 100 crores or 150 or 200 the gross isn’t being generated by the very same centers. Earlier this wasn’t a problem because there wasn’t a multiplex factor and there wasn’t such a massive difference in ticket prices (for various reasons). Today it is hard to even compare most films unless they’re of the very same sort. So DB and JTYJN can be compared fairly. Ready and Dabang can be compared. And so on. It’s not just about big and small films and genres. But also about what’s driving the gross. What drives the gross on Ghajini is very different from what drives it on RDB. For example looking at pure big center multiplexes I’d say there probably hasn’t been a more stable performer than RDB over these past ten years all things considered. It wasn’t doing much elsewhere but at certain key centers it ran for the longest time (given today’s standards). Ghajini didn’t do as much comparably in those key centers in terms of trending and so on. BnB was big in major metros for about two weeks and then did a relatively quick fade but it was strong in smaller centers for a much longer time. Fanaa was very good everywhere but particularly strong in the North (of course it lost out on Gujarat). LRM did very well everywhere but the Bombay territory for this film was a different matter altogether. D2 was big in cities everywhere not as much otherwise, Krish was very good everywhere but super in very many small centers. These things are true in any age. But because of the pricing structure and the taxation structure for multiplexes and the fact that certain genres are privileged in the latter a very great magnitude of distortion is produced in unique.
July 4, 2011 at 3:19 PM
Oldgold— that IS the cinemas where Buddha is showing , NOT a list of Uk cinemas–lol
Mentioned cross-checking since sometimes show timings and screens maybe changed after this week and even midweek!!
Depends where u r / travelling from!!
By the time im back from my hectic “escapades”, suspect Buddha will be gone…
Hope u manage to catch it from your mystery location though…lol
July 4, 2011 at 8:55 PM
“Idea, it helps to learn a few things in life before one starts saying stuff”
Satyam, BIG B has openly praised you and IBOS for some kind of “research” work on the B.O. no. you have been doing….what is that research work? I always see you tearing apart most the of B.O. sites here….unless u r secretly doing some “research” work on B.O. nos. and only BIG B knows about it….
what kind of statement was that from a person who has supposedly “learnt a few things from life”??? And if you are not doing any research on B.O. – did you go back to Big B and clarified that he needs to check few things before he starts saying stuff? or because he is Big B and he has praised you – he is allowed to talk anything?????
Big B is really frustrated. Where is that bachchan whom i loved once? i don’t care whether his films become hit/flop – he is no more a superstar and he must maintain dignity.
July 4, 2011 at 9:25 PM
I think the Idea(unique) that loved Bachchan once never existed! I will respond to your comment against my best judgment by just saying this: you or anyone else will not be able to dictate what I say on his blog (or anywhere else for that matter). All my comments there are referenced here. One can draw whatever conclusions one likes. Bachchan is generous in his praise. There is nothing more to it. If he were half as Machiavellian as people portray him has he would have done a lot else! For the record (not that facts matter much with some) he has constantly said he could not compete with DB. He shouldn’t have quoted IBOS but allow me to laugh a little when folks like yourself make it his greatest sin. I don’t think he meant to endorse the stuff IBOS was saying about DB. He was just referring to BBuddah. And I can’t blame him. I wouldn’t have advised him to do this. But everyone else starts mauling him and you expect him to completely ignore the one ‘kind’ report he sees. Look into yourself a little bit for a change. How much integrity do you have when it comes to Aamir? You expect a star to show more restraint about his own record than you do about a star that you just see on screen!
July 4, 2011 at 9:05 PM
Idea – Amitabh may be wrong in citing IBOS but your comment is bordering childishness. You are not going to win any trophy by all these comments. I know you are pissed. If he had said the same things omiting DB , you would have been fine but since DB is in picture you are hyper active. What you or I say on blogs is not going to change the picture. I guess if people understand these things we would have less of these acrimonious debates/arguments!
July 4, 2011 at 9:26 PM
your last two lines are absolutely correct and I guess I am one of the worst offenders in this sense. Glad we have you around to knock some sense into all of us from time to time.
July 4, 2011 at 1:45 AM
There’s a big debate over whether the BHTB did 1.14 cr or 1.91 cr…. or something in between. But we seemed to have missed the larger point here.
Is that all (2cr) bachchan can get on day one? I have been following the comments on this forum, certainly made me think this is going to be huge. makes me wonder if ‘huge’ means <2cr for bachchans.
worst of all, bachchan posts something from a website I thought was for hardcore racists….
I expected a 25 cr weekend and 40-45 cr overall business from India. Thanks to some very good wom, this may eventually reach the 35-40cr mark…. but the opening was also very important in my opinion.
July 4, 2011 at 3:45 AM
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap had a poor weekend of around 6-6.25 crore nett. The film picked up well on Saturday and Sunday but the the base level was too low.
The film will have to have very strong weekdays if it is to have a half decent first week.
The film did better at some single screens in Gujarat and Maharashtra but multiplex business was poor all over and the film collected very badly in the North with East Punjab being 45 lakhs approx and Delhi/UP collecting 1.35 crore nett.
The film has low costs so it may make money but theatrical business is very poor over its first weekend.
Source – BOI
July 4, 2011 at 6:35 AM
Loll .. coming from BOI licker ..
Dude, BOI is under reporting .. confirmed by taran Adarsh .. and how can you ignore Andhra Scam ?? If numbers reported are 1/4th for AP .. then there is no prize for guessing the BOI authenticity ..
July 4, 2011 at 6:42 AM
Andhra scam is by the Bachchans, not BOI
even boi.co.in, which was predicting a better weekend for BHTB than DB are giving the 21.5 cr and 6 cr num
July 4, 2011 at 7:08 AM
‘Bbuddah HTB’: Weekend 1 business stands at Rs 7.06 cr nett. Breakup:- Fri 1.91 cr, Sat 2.45 cr, Sun 2.70 cr. – Taran Adarsh.
July 4, 2011 at 7:21 AM
http://www.ibosnetwork.com/newsmanager/templates/template1.aspx?a=22279&z=9
Bbuddah has registered the big jump on Saturday, Sunday leading to about 17 crore weekend compared to about 19 crore for Delhi Belly. The difference was mostly in number of prints allocated not occupancies.
July 4, 2011 at 7:29 AM
taran_adarsh taran adarsh
“‘Bbuddah HTB’ weekend business updated: Fri 1.90 cr, Sat 2.33 cr, Sun 3.09 cr, total 7.32 cr nett. *Official* figures issued by Viacom18.”
So Viacom18 have officially released numbers as 7.32 nett. No more arguments now. Case closed.
July 4, 2011 at 8:36 AM
Hope this means we won’t be hearing from you again!
July 4, 2011 at 7:30 AM
well ..IBOS mistakenly put 7 as 17 .. nothing to laugh about it .. and this time IBOS is bang on with Taran official figures.
July 4, 2011 at 8:34 AM
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/delhi-belly-earns-rs1565-crore-in-two-days/164827-8-66.html
July 4, 2011 at 8:35 AM
I said it would be 12-15 crores for Bbuddah. My sense was at least 2.5 crores on Fri, at least 5 crores on Sat and then higher on Sun. Here we have something even higher. In any case the 6-7 crore weekend number thrown around by the trade is preposterous. Not just wrong or underreported by plain and simple nonsense. And once again no one has to believe me. Just look at all the stuff people have been reporting from all over, also check out what some of the multiplex owners have been saying about both films on Sat, so on and so forth.
July 4, 2011 at 8:38 AM
Did viacom release any movies earlier? How can they schedule their own releases in the same week (Transformers and bbuddha)?
Frankly, I don’t have sympathy for DB or BHTB. They are not originals. If you see old balachander/Kamal movie, DB is just the latest adoptation.
DHTB is the mix of many Telugu movies. The whole climax was well know for Telugu viewers. I appreciate Balki for Paa, even with high makeup, we neveer felt awkward.
July 4, 2011 at 8:50 AM
Here’s the Andhra number which is 3 times as high as the one being reported elsewhere:
http://andhraboxoffice.com/info.aspx?id=158&cid=6&fid=418
July 4, 2011 at 8:51 AM
Re:Hope this means we won’t be hearing from you again!
Fond hope. These scat fans have a habit of coming back like three dollar bills.
Am not sure what the weekend was. The whole ‘mess’ reminds us how unscientific and corrupt the so called tarde experts are. BOI is a propaganda site and unfortunately IBOS is not much better. Even the other so called neutrals are either imperfect or challenged by lack of accurate information.So while someone like Doga gas no dog in the fight, am not sure how reliable the sources are. Just take the example of Andhra/Nizam where there is a discrepancy of 40-50 lacs over a figure less than 1 crore.
All one can say is BOI has been shown again to be lying retards and have lost further face. BHTB could be anywhere between 7 to 12 crores and while Taran can be corrupt, BOI has an agenda.
IBOS is a maverick and sometimes gets ridiculed too much and we tend to discount it , even when it may be right.
On the whole BHTB did start slowish but has shown commendable improvement with each show which portends well
for the coming days.DB has pretty much done what it set out to do.May not be surprised if by next Fri the daily figures become similar for the two movies based on trending.
July 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM
Taran claims they are viacom figures. How can we ignore that?
July 4, 2011 at 9:43 AM
I’ve never invested too much in these things anyway. Not now. It’s always been the case. I’ve had many debates about this on NG. By the way those producer numbers are not as ‘clean’ as might appear to be the case. In other words the numbers are not tabulated as independently as one might think. Let’s say it’s often a co-production! The trade often has more of a hand in formulating this stuff than one might think. You know the reality is NO ONE in India knows what the numbers are, not the trade, not the producers, no one. Everyone has some basic stuff and they then calculate a final number. So when someone says a film did say 11.5 crores on a given day or over a weekend that number is fiction. Because that kind of exactitude cannot be arrived at unless all numbers are verifiably accounted for. As is the case in the US or the UK and so on. Which is why one must have minimally a 2-4 crore range for the numbers for most average productions. Because one cannot know more than this. Which I why I liked Jay’s model so much. You look at the numbers, construct a certain model but to add consistency to it you constantly compare new films with older ones. You account for scale and print count and so on. This is how you arrive at a range. When Jay did this the numbers were often quite different from the ones Taran had or the producer numbers or whatever. But one day he stopped providing them. To of course maintain that hegemonic account. It’s just a very corrupt practice in India. Even these trade figures aren’t as independent as they pretend to be. They talk, they compare notes. Beyond a point no one knows. They settle on certain numbers, they vary them, they disseminate them throughout the entire media network. So when we see tons of reports in the media and so on the original sources for these are basically one or two. So for example most of the media reports on BBuddah and DB have the Taran numbers. It’s just a big scam. And it didn’t begin today. It’s just that today with all the new media at their disposal these figures have a much greater voice and can spread out the word. Earlier too they were involved in their politics (for those old enough the Hum wars should trigger some memories) and it has always been so with respect to Bachchan. How do you think BOI arrive at their ratings of Bachchan films from the 70s and 80s. many of those films are underrated. So a blockbuster might be called just a hit or what have you. This is what the trade always did with Bachchan’s films. But the difference was that they would say things in their journals and no one would care. Today they have a bigger voice. But the dishonesty is the same. On NG i pointed out many examples where Nahata for example would call a SRK movie a hit without qualification, this for many SRK films, and then later in his journal the ratings would be much lower. Because no one cares about the journal. When Bachchan was at his peak these guys would pretend that Naseeb wasn’t a blokcbuster but just a hit because the selling price was too high and so on. In more recent decades they changed their standards completely. Suddenly percentages went out of the window, so on and so forth. All this distribution price stuff is more bull because first of all this too isn’t verified but also this is another way of playing politics. You can make hits out of flops and flops out of hits using such criteria. Have you ever seen this sort of thing being done in the West? You just get a gross and that’s it. Sometimes you will later see pieces that a film that made 250 m at the box office was nonetheless not very profitable because the production costs were 170 m and the star took a big percentage of the profits and so on. For example Forest Gump wasn’t very profitable for the studio because Zemeckis and Hanks pocketed 40m a piece from the film! Here many examples could be provided. So if anything the burden of doubt is usually placed on the side of the big film. In India it’s the opposite. Films with 10 crore budgets have to do 2-3 times that amount but films with 30-50 crore budgets just have to do 60. Trending goes out of the window. This is a basic metric in every box office system of the world. If it were that easy to recover the whole amount in week 1 why wouldn’t everyone be following this model? The trade keeps saying this stuff in India. This too is more bull. In the South they still follow the trending model. A film is still not counted as very successful unless it is stable for a certain period. So the rules are the same for South India and the US but somehow different from Bombay (and once upon a time this wasn’t so for Bombay either)?!
I could go on and on. It’s just a broken, corrupt system. What’s filled in the gap then is the fact that certain stars and business interests profit from the arrangement and certain ones don’t. So for example if you’re in politics you have a great opportunity to make a lot of money. All kinds of ways. Different ways of gaming the system. Again it’s not just the film media. The news media has its own problems. I’ve said this for the longest time. The Bombay media/trade structure has just become an arm of the film industry.A propaganda tool for various interests. People don’t realize the extent to which these structures are intertwined. It’s like DDLJ has been breaking records for years, ask Abzee about it. He’s willing to take anyone any day of the week for the film and show them how many people show up. That theater rental costs Yahsraj nothing. It’s just a scam. Breaking Sholay’s record or whatever. You have Taran calling Ready an all-India blokcbuster. There has been no all India blokcbuster in Hindi cinema since HAHK. yes none. Even Gadar wasn’t that kind of deal in the major cities. At the time if you looked at the numbers it was behind K3G in most places. But yes in the small centers of North India it was truly historic. A very huge grosser overall, specially accounting for tickets sold but not HAHK. Similarly DDLJ was huge but not so much so in the smaller centers. Now perhaps one can ‘relax’ one’s definition of an all India blockbuster but HAHK was a different deal altogether. Not because it was bigger but it was so across the board. Much as a Pokkiri or a Magadheera were big across the board in Telugu.
I could go on and on and on in this admittedly chaotic fashion. Most claims, most evaluations of films, most numbers from budgets to distribution prices, most reporting where the whol distribution structure is simplified crazily, most of this is just completely misleading and often false. The thing though is that SRK and Johar and some others saw this coming and jumped on this bandwagon. They have profited by these structures. A film like IHLS is called a hit in the media. It did nothing really! Scores of SRK films from Chalte Chalte to Devdas to what not were called hits indisrciminately in the media within a few days of release. CC had a very modest gross, Devdas had a huge budget. These things were never accounted for. They were at the helm of this wave, getting the right narratives and so on but some others have followed them since. But notice how you can tell who isn’t on board with these industry/trade/media networks? The ones who get the worst writeups or at least not fair ones. Throughout the 90s Aamir wasn’t given his due. Even through the past decade with all the success he had the trade made no big deal about his career. He wasn’t even called the top star, not even in the running. Even after his great 2006 they just treated it as a good year. What turned the tide around for him for Ghajini. So it takes a historic hit for the media to finally jump on board! Surely a high bar?! And yes Aamir has made himself much more available to the media than ever before but he also had 3I and so on. If the Bachchans start pelting out 100 crores hits eventually everyone will shut up. But why should they need such a high bar? So BnB was a big one but what was the trade saying? What was Nahata saying about RDB for the longest time? The one Bachchan film that got great coverage by the media/trade was Dostana. LOL! Guess why! And I said it at the time too. Didn’t not point this out just because Abhishek was part of it. The entire territory system of India is still run on terms corresponding to those of British India!
People don’t realize the extent of what goes on. and no one should be surprised. What goes on in India at every level of life? Why should the film industry be any different? You either have to start playing the game and you then suddenly see great writeups and positive stuff on the box office and so on or you have to produce 100 crore hits. These are the only two options. There is no third way.
July 4, 2011 at 9:08 AM
Rajen the thing here is, and leaving aside all the sources, correlating all the anecdotal evidence we see out there, some of the reporting from Andhra, but also some of what the multiplexes have been saying and so on with the numbers. Now Taran has 1.91 crores for Fri. My claim is it was at least 2.5 crores. The latter number is still a very low start. Hardly huge. On Sat though I believe the film did at least double that number. But 5 crores too is actually not that big of a number. It still correlates with a big pickup because of a lower print count. By the way note the idiocy of the Taran claim. He says it’s 1.9 crores on Fri, the film then picked up everywhere but did 2.5 crores or so on Sat. That is NO pickup. The same goes for BOI or everyone else. They pretend the pickup doesn’t matter much because of a ‘low base’. No! It’s no pick up at all given that every film is better on Sat than on Fri unless it’s a disaster! So I have 7.5 crores on Fri and Sat. Assuming Sun to be exactly the same as Sun it would be 12.5 crores. But of course for a film doing well Sun is always better than Sat. So it’s very easy to arrive at a 12-15 crore range.
Now on DB too note that Taran himself had almost no jump on Sat. It’s more or less the same number as Fri accounting again for the fact that Sat is higher anyway. So you have roughly 7.5 on Fri. a crore more or so on Sat. That give you 15-16 crores in 2 days and then if Sun is a bit higher again you have 23-24 crores.
The IBOS claim after one cuts through all the editorial agenda seems to be that on Sat and Sun the films were about evenly matched but for the print count. But that on Fri DB was definitely ahead. As I said yesterday I’m not quite persuaded by the 7.5 crore number for DB on Fri, think it was somewhat lower. I’d personally say it probably wasn’t higher than 6 crores. Sat and Sun then showed jumps but not big ones like BBuddah because it never had a Fri problem to begin with. My sense here would be an 20-22 crore weekend. But I could see a plausible scenario for something lower. Could be a bit higher too, I’m not as bothered by a crore here or there. Not sure the difference between the two films over the weekend could be just 2 crores because even in the best case scenario for BBuddah there is a greater shortfall on this just on Fri. But I am willing to living with a 4 crore or so differential.
Either way the problem isn’t DB because no one’s under-reporting it. And as I said because the film has been misrepresented the jumps don’t seem too big. But there’s nothing wrong with this one. It’s doing hugely well in many multiplexes but not everywhere. On Bbuddah the thing is I’ve disagreed with many numbers in the past too. On DMD for example I thought the trade had low number but it still wasn’t this sort of differential. On BBuddah it’s just preposterous. As we’ve been seeing on a figure of 75 lakhs you have a huge discrepancy between the numbers being quoted on an Andhra box office site versus elswhere. So how much are for example the Bombay numbers off which run into crores. So on and so forth.
July 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM
I deleted the last Maha comment. First off he/she is increasingly getting more abrasive which could still be tolerated if the same things weren’t being repeated again and again. as Saket said people who are never here suddenly go on a crusade with certain releases and so on clutters the entire forum. Now I don’t mind debates but also don’t want the space to be ‘exploited’ this way by those who have no investment in it otherwise.
I have been getting some other offensive comments as well. Had to delete those too.
July 4, 2011 at 11:21 AM
On Bachchan’s blog I added some of these comments (editing out names as always) but I then added this following comment as well:
[Finally for anyone who might think I am saying all of this only because it’s Amitji’s film or whatever are wrong too. Because I have never argued about so many other films of his (or Abhishek’s) that either failed completely or didn’t do too well. But here’s my thing — just because something works or does not work doesn’t mean I’ll accept any number. When raavan released I said the trade was completely exaggerating the extent of the failure. Obviously the Hindi version of the film didn’t work but overall the numbers were not the disaster the trade was making it out to be either. Months later Nahata said in some context that Raavan was a flop but it didn’t lose much money. because they structured things very carefully across different versions and so on (won’t get into all the details here). There are tons of such examples.
So I disagree with numbers only when I sincerely believe this to be the case. Not because I want the film to ‘work’. When Guru released the producer number was 18 crores for week 1. I thought that was off by at least 3 crores. The producer number is nothing ‘holy’. Because no one has the precise data. It just doesn’t exist in India. So everyone estimates a number and works off it. No producer in India, no trade figure in India really knows how much a film makes. It is not like the US or the UK where every last ticket sold is accounted for. and this has always been true. With multiplexes a lot more of the gross can be verified. But that still leaves a lot unaccounted for specially for a film that does very well in single/double screens. By the way I am not even getting into how accurately many theater owners or distributors themselves report numbers for all sorts of reasons. That’s a whole different ballgame.
I’ll even go so far as to say — 90% of what one reads in the media about these things — grosses, distribution prices, screen counts et al — is the stuff of pure fiction. Or it is presented in a very misleading way. Just the distribution or sub-distribution deals on a film often involve a dizzying level of complexity. None of this is ever represented. It’s like believing all the gossip in the film media about various affairs and various film decisions (who signed up someone and why). Not that everything is inaccurate but it is often wholly untrue or very partially true.
By the way I don’t claim to know either. But there is some stuff one learns from experience, some stuff one actually knows about. Beyond this it’s remarkable how far one can go if one approaches things a bit critically. So again on those Taran numbers don’t follow my logic. But where’s the pickup if the Fri/Sat number is really the very same?! This is not what a pickup looks like! It’s again about using common sense at some points but also about recognizing certain structures elsewhere. And it’s not a unique approach. One can apply the same to other institutions in life as well. This doesn’t mean anything goes. Because one has to put in the hard work of learning about certain things. I didn’t know for a fact that Saddam Hussein didn’t have nuclear weapons. But I didn’t believe it. I don’t know for a fact that Modi ordered a pogrom in Gujarat. But I do know that the vast police apparatus of the state (not to mention the legal one and so on) doesn’t just come about spontaneously to ensure a certain outcome. But yes there is no document bearing Modi’s name which has such an order. Nor is there one with Hitler’s name. It’s something many Holocaust-deniers regularly assert. There are these murky areas of life. Sometimes it’s not easy to settle even after knowing everything whether something falls within the purview of a truth or a lie.
This stuff about the film media is small potatoes (as they say in the US). Nothing really. There are vastly greater scams perpetrated on things of vastly greater consequence. One just has to pick up the newspaper every other day in India. But somehow we naively believe that these trade figures are the voices of authority. here by the way I know for a fact how corrupt some of these guys are. Even Nahata admitted as much not so long ago except that he conveniently excluded himself.
But again I don’t have a problem calling a failure a failure. But if a film is a flop at 30 crores, don’t say it made just 20. Similarly if one is a hit at 40 crores don’t say it’s one at 30. It’s just about the rating. Everything should be accurately and honestly represented.
Here’s my challenge. if I am wrong Viacom or Amitji can prove this in a minute — the official claim from Viacom is 7.32 crores for the weekend. let’s see how this figure is arrived at. And I’m not interested in something that reads Bombay — 2.5 crores, Nizam 75 lakhs… and so on. That’s not how things are done in the West when every last ticket sold is accounted for. let’s see how they got those 2.5 crores for Bombay or those 75 lakhs (by the way some of the trade has a number for this that’s only a third). I could make up a list right now for my 12-15 crore estimate. What would that prove? Just because it’s a distributor doesn’t mean he or she is any more honest/accurate. We can’t just take these things at face value! Amitji has the Viacom numbers. He has no independent way of verifying them. No one does. Because these total figures are broken up when they come down the ‘food chain’ as it were. It’s not as if anyone ever sees the returns on the total figure to then make the obvious calculations. You get it piece-meal, you know what the profits are but the actual numbers are still not verified or verifiable. If I invest 10 crores in a film and see a return of let’s say 4 crores over the additional amount I spent. If my profit margin is 4 crores how do I know how much the film actually made at every one of its nodes or how the amounts got translated with the theater owners, the distributors and sub-distributors, so on and so forth? There are some facts that become apparent but not everything. The numbers are just not verifiable. They are so only partially. So Ready could be a 100 crore grosser or a 120 crore one. We know it’s huge. But there could still be a gap between the reporting and reality. The producer who gets the 4 crore profit is happy but he might be eligible for a 6 crore one! A lot of the gross just gets ‘lost’ in the system! There’s nothing very revolutionary about what I’m saying. In politics it happens all over the world.
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July 4, 2011 at 11:42 AM
I should also say this about IBOS. I don’t agree with their numbers all the time and certainly not with most of the commentary. I have argued against them very many times in the past including even on their very site (can’t imagine I’d be given the same opportunity on BOI!). The point though is that BOI are always on message with respect to an anti-Bachchan agenda. Whether it’s BNB or Guru or Raavan or Bbuddah or whatever. Irrespective of the film they stay on message and pull down the Bachchans as much as they can. They now even have Shailesh Kapoor to do the hatchet job regularly. It is actually testament to just how overwhelming Bachchan’s box office track record is that they nonetheless have to keep him as the top star for a dozen years or more (this despite under-rating individual films).
IBOS on the other hand have for 2-3 years been attacking Abhishek on everything from his box office to physical appearance, Some of the stuff is not just brutal but below the belt. Just recently they too were making fun of the DMD opening here. Hard to see how one can be simply pro-Bachchan and put out stuff like this.
The right wing ideology is a different ballgame altogether. Here I have said candidly in the past. I have tussled with many people on blogs who have the very same ideology, who I consider friends, even though I violently disagree with them. It’s just that when the same right wing stuff is applied to stars even those who are otherwise in agreement cringe. Because we somehow always become ‘innocent’ when it is about public celebrities. But otherwise we launch into the very same arguments.
But in any case I’ve disagreed with very much in the past (and today) that appears on the site. It’s not just about IBOS. I’ve violently disagreed with bachchan on his site. Might sound like a quaint notion to many but much as I might be personally invested in Bachchan or Tendulkar or Obama or whoever I do not consider the facts to be hostage to this kind of emotion. As long as I sincerely believe something to be factual. It’s more than absurd to even have to argue with all kinds of partisans here given this track record I have in these matters! Everyone knows about all of this.
July 4, 2011 at 4:18 AM
LOL BOI…they claimed that BHTB did very well on sat and sun now
the claim it had a poor weekend. This site is meant for ******* not
for normal people. I guess people in NG have a bipolar anti BIG B
syndrome.
So pathetic is NG their worshippers copy and paste this piece of
crap and claim that the movie has not done well…..As per
latest updates. weekend for BHTB is 8.25…….
July 4, 2011 at 4:23 AM
“Multiplexes showed good improvement at most places but problem is the start base to low and the film will have to show huge jump on Sunday and even then it will not be even a decent weekend.”
BOI report for Sat…lol what to say…..speechless
July 4, 2011 at 4:48 AM
Aamir in Delhi today, has spoke at a press conf, along with the two artists who have credit and rights issues with the term ‘bosedk’.
http://movies.ndtv.com/playvideo.aspx?id=204244
The earlier report.:
http://www.radioandmusic.com/content/editorial/news/delhi-hc-refuses-hear-dk-bo
An HT report, after today’s press conf.–
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/Bollywood/Aamir-Khan-clarifies-on-DK-Bose-credit-controversy/Article1-717108.aspx
So according to Aamir, the film DB has grossed Rs 26 crores in its opening weekend.
July 4, 2011 at 5:05 AM
LOL..Aamir is busy defending the movie’s language ..and BIG B is busy defending his movie’s BO collections…
July 4, 2011 at 6:24 AM
I am reporting from Kuwait. Buddah is almost housefull today for the two evening shows here at four screens in two big malls. Only one or two bachelor seats available in the front row – that two in the middle. Most of the family seats are reserved en bloc. Haven’t witnessed such a situation in many years. Sarkar was an exception. Even then, it wasn’t this tight to find a seat. Mind you all, today is a working day, which means most would be working upto 8.00 pm as private companies work in moring and evening shifts with a long break in the middle for lunch and siesta. This is just fantastic for the great AB.
July 4, 2011 at 6:26 AM
taran adarsh
Section of the media is under-reporting opening weekend figures of both ‘Delhi Belly’ & ‘Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap’. Await *exact* figures.
July 4, 2011 at 9:44 AM
I think 7 crores is a good estimate of BHTB.The public didnt know what to expect.It will pick up in the rest of the week.And hopefully ovetakes DB.
July 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM
My teenaged son and his friend watched BHTB today. This is the first Bachchan film that he has watched and his reaction- ‘Mom -movies was actually good-better than Ready!’. I would say Sr AB- take a bow!
By the way , Aamir’s claims of DB running full house on Mon seems to be true as they didn’t get tickets for DB.
July 4, 2011 at 11:09 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/delhi-belly-23-crore-bbuddah-6-crore/
Now Komal also confirms….seems like Bachhans were only able to bribe Andhra Box office site…or is it the Chiranjeevi effect…
BOI, Komal, Taran, BOI.co.in and Viacom all are saying one thing but…what to do ..when the whole world is against Bachhans….
July 4, 2011 at 11:23 AM
yeah the whole world was against a gentlemen who said contrary to every other person in his age that the earth wasn’t flat!
July 4, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Well tomorrow anybody will come and say his movie grossed X amount contrary to every BO source and will put the same dialogue that “yeah the whole world was against a gentlemen who said contrary to every other person in his age that the earth wasn’t flat!”…..
Bachhans and Gentleman ….CRAP…I always knew they are corrupt…he acted like saint before the movie release and then posted the IBOS link….see what he has posted in his blog..
“This is relevant in light of claims of Delhi Belly (mostly in english) having had a bumper start in India, which is simply not the case, not even across the board of metros and multiplexes this time.
DB is good in select multiplexes and overseas pockets only. At 25-30% it has had a weak start in metros like Calcutta (10% in some cases), Jaipur, Pune, Surat and emerging Hindi metros like Kanpur and even Bombay is nowhere near as expected with Saturday collections clocking barely 25-30% bookings at multiplexes like Fame Adlabs still. Tickets are readily available most everywhere.”
This is what this gentleman does to another Gentleman’s i.e. Aamir Khan, film.
July 4, 2011 at 11:56 AM
“Well tomorrow anybody will come and say his movie grossed X amount ”
people already do.. they are called Taran and Nahata and so on! Many of these are not ‘different’ sources anyway. They just play around with the numbers and produce different versions.
Just because someone is running something or is established somewhere doesn’t mean he or she is being truthful. Just because Bush was president and Cheney vice-president, just because his entire cabinet was saying something didn’t mean that they were saying the truth. Why don’t you apply your standard everywhere? Every Indian politician must be speaking the truth. Do they know or do we know?!
Wasn’t Barkha Dutt supposed to be one of the paragons of truthfulness? What happened?! It’s just that no one cares that much about box office figures. No one’s going to do an expose on this! Frankly even within the multiplex crowd in India no one’s that bothered about Nahata and Taran. People just form their own impressions based on what they see and what they here within their groups. All of this is just more exaggerated online. No one cares otherwise.
July 4, 2011 at 12:11 PM
“Just because someone is running something or is established somewhere doesn’t mean he or she is being truthful. ”
The same thing I am saying about Bachhans..They have a production house, they have a film released against another film which has been doing far better than their film both critically and commercially…So they must be doing their stuff to mislead public…
You are saying BOI/Taran/Komal liars…This may be true…but what if they are not..this makes Bachhans liars…and this can be also true…You are running a blog here…you can also be paid person (from Bachhan PR group) like Burkha Dutt…Who knows…If you will ask Burkha she will give you thousand theories to prove her self like u do for ur claims in this blogs…
Have you ever thought all these trade guys might be saying true and those who are not believing them are making fool out of them selves…Infact when a movie of a particular star is not doing well..suddenly the fans start screaming all these trade sources are paid…
BTW I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINION ABOUT BIG B POSTING IBOS LINK IN HIS BLOG..DON”T U THINK THAT WAS CHEAP…
July 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM
The problem though is that the Bachchans are not making any extravagant claims! I don’t think IBOS should have been quoted on the site and I said this on day 1. Also don’t think Abhishek should have gotten into a debate with Taran. But the only person who has a right to even ask this question or frame these objections is someone who is also honest on his own. You can’t just be huge partisan or a star or simply believe one trade source or another as the ‘truth’ and then raise questions. My solution? let’s raise questions about everything. But I don’t see this. So if your point was ‘I don’t believe the trade or BOI or IBOS and I don’t believe the Bachchans either’ I would respect it (even if some other questions would arise here). But that’s not your position.
Similarly Idea here is about as big a partisan as is imaginable about any star (mean this just descriptively here) and suddenly he’s pretending to have an honest agreement or disagreement about something. So he jokes about Jharkand below.
In some ways even the whole debate about Taran or Nahata or whoever is not real one that we should be having. This too obscures things. Because we all pick sides and blame one person or the other. Everyone might be dishonest to various degrees but what about ourselves? How honest are we? We keep demanding the truth and honesty and impartiality from others but we display neither in our own conduct. It’s not just about being a partisan of a certain star. We are completely dogmatic about so many of our views even otherwise. As that line in Inception goes ‘the most dangerous virus is an idea’! One has to keep questioning things. Everything. One can love a star as much as one likes, there’s no issue here. The issue comes about only when certain factual claims are advanced. But we have to be honest to the best of our intentions first. Otherwise ‘others’ always become easy punching bags. This doesn’t mean one cannot choose sides. One always as a matter of fact chooses sides. Neutrality is a childish myth. But one can be honest about the facts and one’s own biases. This honesty however doesn’t come about unless one is willing to question one’s own prejudices in the first place.
July 4, 2011 at 12:38 PM
there’s also something called common sense. As long as one is honest enough to follow it. bachchan has never called a flop of his a hit as far as I’ve been following him. he doesn’t even celebrate average successes. The other day he said BBuddah was his first solo hit in twenty years. I was upset about this. I asked him how he had forgotten Black and Baghban and CK. Sure BBuddah could gross more than these but one should also account for the genre. Does this look like a guy who’s inflating his box office results?! Years ago Ghulam and Major Saab released on the same day. Ghulam did well in Bombay, was decent or better elsewhere. Major Saab was decent in most places but not as good anywhere as Ghulam was in Bombay. So Bachchan was asked about his film in an interview and he said he was glad his film was doing well. The interviewer then said ‘it wasn’t doing as well as Ghulam’. Bachchan didn’t contradict this but said ‘ that at least it had brought some positivity back’. For ages he’s been saying on the blog that he cannot compete with DB and so on. There’s mountains of evidence. So today when you suddenly come up and put him in the same category as Taran or whoever I find that to be a statement in completely bad faith if not outright dishonesty. This is the kind of thing I was talking about.
July 4, 2011 at 12:42 PM
By the way on being a paid person I can only smile. For two reasons. First of all you say I might be paid like Nahata or Taran or whoever and/or a liar like them but you nonetheless choose to believe one set of paid persons/liars over another. Why? Secondly if you had just a little more experience about these things you would know what a paid person sounds like. I am far too crazy to be a paid person or to be ‘on message’ in any sense. LOL! I doubt even the Bachchans wanted a PR outfit that they’d want me to be part of it. Specially after some of the stuff I’ve said on his blog.
By the way the fans don’t say this stuff about every film. Don’t think I’ve said anything about tons of Abhishek or Bachchan films that haven’t worked. Again you’re just throwing out this stuff. It’s just bad faith. You’ve been visiting the blog for ages. You should be aware of what I do or do not say. LOL, I’m the ‘crazy’ who suggested Dostana was being called a hit right away because of Johar’s contacts!
July 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM
1. First thing glad you agreed that Bachhans should not done the things they have done to fight for the Box office. But you never raised this issue before unlike u have been pin pointing BOI.
2. It is good thing to question. I completely agree. But one should not question with invalid reasoning. The kind of reasons some the guys here are showing are highly laughable.
Some one posts a pic of a long queue outside a theater and says BOI is a lie. lol are these guys even educated? This the way to question. Some of the guys say here i went xyz theater…it was 100% full…I took x number of friends with me…they all liked the film…then how BOI is saying it is not doing well…LOL…
Let me tell you a case. I was quite positive about DMD. I went a theater on the first day of it’s release.. which was 20% filled. And in the movie when Vidya Balan used to come..ppl used to laugh..some one commented KKHH hang over…And the friends who went to watch it with me did not quite like it…Then I come to this blog..I hear the opposite things..it makes me feel that I am in different world. I did not post much at that time. But when the BO report came i was laughing.
3. THE NEXT THING IS ANDHRA BOX OFFICE SITE. ARE U SURE OF IT’S AUTHENTICITY? SUDDENLY THIS HAS JUMPED INTO BIG BAD WORLD OF BOLLYWOOD BOX OFFICE. THIS SITE SAYS 17 CRORE FOR BHTB WEEKEND . DO U AGREE WITH THIS NUMBER? WHAT’S UR NUMBER? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. U SHOULD AGREE WITH 17 CRORE OTHERWISE U R IN A FIX.
July 4, 2011 at 1:37 PM
On DMD even Taran said after the weekend that it was doing very well in multiplexes of the South and certain other places. So one theater doesn’t mean anything. On BBuddah I didn’t rely on one account but very many. Also the fact that Taran himself said it was picking up everywhere. His numbers then reveal no pickup. Anyway I’ve stated my views on all of this. won’t repeat stuff.
You’re also wring on the rest. Because I and some others here said the very first day he shouldn’t have quoted IBOS and so on.
July 4, 2011 at 1:21 PM
“By the way on being a paid person I can only smile. For two reasons. First of all you say I might be paid like Nahata or Taran or whoever and/or a liar like them but you nonetheless choose to believe one set of paid persons/liars over another. Why?”
No I believe one side is telling a lie so the other side is saying truth. Over the years i have found BOI close to truth (they are not 100% correct..but they are the most up to date and closest to truth). I can not believe IBOS..u know the site better than me. Can not trust Taran as he is not accurate as BOI. Komal Nahata does not give detailed report for all the center also i have problem with his strict classifications which confuse me. I believe and like Doga’s reporting here. Some how seems logical. yakuza..hmmm don’t what happened to him…he shut down his box office shop it seems…now a days busy at NG. highly inconsistent he is. And i can not believe you as u r not a trade person. you throw some random numbers with “I think this” and “i think that” kind of statements…And AndhraBoxOffice…what is this?? i am yet to understand..
July 4, 2011 at 1:38 PM
You can choose to believe whoever you wish. It’s a free country!
July 4, 2011 at 11:32 AM
BTW what is AndhraBoxiffce…lol..when did it came into picture suddenly…is it specially designed to defend Bachhan movies or what? Most of the guys here are believing this site…does this site has any credibility unlike BOI/Taran/Komal??
July 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM
A film’s gross cant be verified in India.I hope it gets verified like in the west.In that way we have no controversies.
Many Akshay’s films were underreported as well.Particularly the media called TMK as a flop which is a complete lie as it is a hit at 14 cr profit.
Definitely shahrukh khan is behind this.He bougfht the trade.media.
I also think that certain vested interests are also doing this.
Its an easy game.For an Akshay film or a Bachchan film increase the cost so much that no matter what the gross is it doesnt become a hit.It is above average at best.Ofcourse Akshay has some huge grossers which the trade had to call a hits.But with Abhishek it is easier.Because he has no huge grossers.
And then rewrite the verdcits of Amitabh bahcchan films of 1970s,80s and make him look lesser than Shahrukh khan.
Aamir also does this sort of things but at a lower level. quoting BOI?
Firstly the khans should not be big stars.The public should ensure this.Expet for salman who is a massy star.Only then we can have accountability in box office.
July 4, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Box Office Report Card: The Hits So Far
“http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-box-office-report-card-the-hits-so-far/20110704.htm”
Rediff is also anti Bachhan site..see how they have not mentioned DMD…
July 4, 2011 at 12:45 PM
I don’t have a problem with DMD not being mentioned.. again you’re changing the subject.. you haven’t been following what I said on DMD.. ‘
the thing is I’ve been tussling with people like yourself for many years online. You know why you guys get trapped? Because you don’t read carefully. Or you don’t like some of the facts for partisanship reasons or otherwise.
July 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM
“you haven’t been following what I said on DMD.. ”
This is true …I agree…i am not interested on what u said on the movie…My interest is in the BOX office here…Just want to opinion know whether DMD was a flop or hit. Don’t have any intention to argue here.
A clear cut answer will be highly appreciated here. FLOP/HIT according to u…
July 4, 2011 at 1:35 PM
I won’t offer a clear cut answer because I don’t trust the nature of your question. I am not naive enough to believe it’s just about the facts. It’s also about the contexts within which the facts are embedded. The truth can be made to look like a lie. So don’t ask for my opinion on DMD without also asking for my opinion on films with other stars. I wasn’t born yesterday!
July 4, 2011 at 2:14 PM
“I wasn’t born yesterday!”
arey dude i know u r Bachhan fan so you are not born yesterday…I just want a simple answer DMD a hit or Flop according to u?
Don’t worry i will never discuss DMD ever in this blog after this simple answer…
July 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM
I have no simple answers for those who believe sources like BOI!
July 4, 2011 at 1:12 PM
Let us for argument’s sake assume that the 7.32 Crore figure for the weekend is correct. Is it possible? Yes, it certainly is.
What does it mean? How does it correlate to some of the evidence that’s been produced by online posters here and elsewhere? That the film is bumper in Hyderabad and Bhopal but rubbish elsewhere? If the 77 Lakh figure for Andhra weekend is correct, then the film made only 6.5 crores from the rest of the country?
Perhaps it did. And in that case, it’s a poor figure. Even 12-15 Crores for the weekend isn’t great and every Bachchan fan will concede that. Amitabh Bachchan isn’t the same box office force anymore and that’s a fact. The other way of looking at things is to see that a 68 year old can *still* make a film like BHTB. And he gets universal praise for his effort. Not many people turned up for the film, but at least those who did, had good things to say about the film.
Now moving on, let’s look at the venom that’s spewed by BOI and their ilk. If Taran’s 1.91 Crore figure for Friday is correct, BOI reported 1 Crore. They had 2.5 crores for Friday & Saturday combined! If that’s not an agenda driven site then what is? And people quote their figures as if Jesus Christ provides the BOI people with actual figures. Who are the people behind the website? Does anyone bother to think where do they get their numbers from? How blatantly biased their commentary is and so on? In my view, anyone who quotes BOI as part of a BO argument here is a propagandist!
And finally, the manner in which some people pop up during these Box Office discussions, their timing and their intent only makes me feel happy to be part of SS. It only means that certain people feel “threatened” by the voice on this blog. Otherwise why would someone go through all the trouble to post negative stuff, day after day, on just another blog?
July 4, 2011 at 1:27 PM
“If the 77 Lakh figure for Andhra weekend is correct, then the film made only 6.5 crores from the rest of the country?”
Where did u get this 77 Lakh for Andhra? from AndhraBoxoffice right. Then u don’t need to assume 7.32 crore for the weekned. Coz as per AndhraBoxoffice it’s 17 crore…whole mathematics will go wrong…
July 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Where does it say on their website that the All India figures are 17 Crores? There’s a “tweet” which probably references the figures at IBOS, but there’s no official post on the all India figures. And how could they have All India nett figures when the site’s name is Andhra Box Office?
July 4, 2011 at 2:10 PM
But they have not mentioned IBOS reference anywhere in that tweet…and how come DB is 19 crore
“Bbuddah has 17cr India weekend compared to 19cr for Delhi Belly but @taran_adarsh & Trade are reporting 6Cr BHTB and 21.5Cr for DB.”
But do u believe this site and the 77 lakh figure for Andhra?
July 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM
Don’t think this is going anywhere. We’ve all expressed our views.
July 4, 2011 at 2:14 PM
These are the exact same figures (17 Crores & 19 Crores) posted on IBOS.
Who is to say that this 77 lakh figure is wrong? They do seem to have figures for other local, Telugu films.
July 4, 2011 at 2:18 PM
“Who is to say that this 77 lakh figure is wrong? They do seem to have figures for other local, Telugu films.”
So u believe this site..I am not convinced by the reason although coz BOI has also figures for hindi films but that does not make it trust worthy here…what ever i will leave this here as it is considering that U believe AndhraBoxOffice… good…
July 4, 2011 at 2:03 PM
well said,Saket.
As Oldgold said these are barsati mendaks.
Let them croak to their heart’s content.
Who really gives a damn?
Let them wallow in their own piss,shit and vomit.
July 4, 2011 at 1:19 PM
“*Official* figures issued by Viacom18″
Satyam, you can remove comments, but you CANNOT hide the truth that BHTB has done only 6-7 cr.
Remember, you also claimed DMD will do 35 cr first week and turned out DMD did 31 cr lifetime. Till when are you going to run from the truth? It is better you accept it now, like a man
July 4, 2011 at 1:25 PM
“Till when are you going to run from the truth?”
How is he running away from the truth? By explaining his position by giving proper examples? Is that what you call “running” away?
But then, no amount of explaining would stop you or your brethren from your campaign. The least I ask from you guys is to come out and speak the truth. Who are you? What’s on your agenda? Or to answer all questions at once, whose fan are you?
July 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM
Who are you Maha??
Never seen you around here before?
Are you a barsaati mendak?
Your ‘croaks..err comments are beginning to get tiresome.
Can you just leave with your belief of whatever the BO is, and let people here believe what they want to?
July 4, 2011 at 1:51 PM
LOL! Terrific reply, oldgold!
July 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM
One final word for those who are relishing BHTB’s box office performance: expecting Amitabh Bachchan @ age 68 to outperform a 20+ Imran Khan in an Aamir Khan production (the best production house in the country, IMO) is like expecting Roger Federer to win the Wimbledon crown at the age of 50! Or Bradman to score a century at the age of 60. You get the idea.
Martina Navratilova won a grand slam (Wimbledon) at the age of 47. But that was in the mixed doubles category! Bachchan in BHTB is still playing it solo. Time to think and reflect! For those who still question Bachchan’s worth, how much is your personal opinion worth? Bear in mind you are targetting a 4 time National Award winner, future Phalke Winner, legend whose career has spanned 42 glorious years (and still counting!). Cricket coaches can say that so and so can be the next Tendulkar, but no one who’s sane would ever say that here’s someone who could be the next Bachchan!
July 4, 2011 at 3:18 PM
You make some great points. The very fact that people debate his status when he’s pushing 70 means something!
But on the particulars frankly people just don’t know what they’re talking about and even I can’t say everything I’d like to on this!
July 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM
“Bachchan at 70″ is a phenomenon is a known fact.
He can still deliver is also not news (to those who know him).
Also not v interested in a few crores here n there…
Whats irksome is how the release screen number reminds one of bheja fry2-like strategy, even in india forget overseas… (not all–since in places like london-screen count is fine)
The positivity in wom means that release on ANY other clear week would have enhanced returns as well-maybe by twice!!
No point in pushing this under the carpet—its a pity since it has probably averted the possibility of a clear solo hit by a male star at 70—which would have been an edwin-moses-esque landmark.
People at viacom and even abhishrek need to be spanked…..No 2 ways bout it!!!
July 4, 2011 at 5:02 PM
Friends in uk are complaining about the cinemas bbuddah released in. The popular cinemas don’t seem to be showing it and it’s been released in some real bad theatres…don’t know what viacom was up to!!!!
July 5, 2011 at 3:33 AM
Supreb Analysis!! Excellent comment Saket.
July 4, 2011 at 7:49 PM
Good day all. Hope you’ll had a nice weekend !
So here we are on a Monday and for all the hype and hoopla for the last 15/20 days, this movie barely manages to do a 6/7 cr for the entire weekend?? This is dismal for a mainstream masala potboiler so heavily promoted and pushed. A movie with a big star in this genre rakes double the amount that too in just a single day.
I would once again emphasize market for a bachchan movie is not there and last few releases have proven the paying public is not interested in offering any support if the product is weak with substandard props and these will only add to the long list of flop tally.
Instead of taking the audience for a ride, Bachchan has to ensure the project as whole is well made and produced and not by these attention seeking lecherous puri and rgv types who are just wandering in wilderness and clutching on to his name to stay afloat. There is sufficient talent in the industry for story telling and bachchan should use his influence to hire them if he wishes to continue doing movies.
Hope better sense prevails.
July 4, 2011 at 7:58 PM
Chuha bil mein bahar aaya kya?
As Vijju says in the movie ‘dont poke your head out of the cow dung.Otherwise a cat will eat you.
July 4, 2011 at 8:24 PM
Wtf is that for Rajen1 ? You crazy sob do you know what you are saying.
Who is poking fun? just stating the facts on the ground.
July 4, 2011 at 8:27 PM
You’ve got your head so far up your ass you can chew your food twice and get this whatever is eating you – must be suffering horribly.
July 5, 2011 at 12:21 AM
Phew.. I gave up reading after a few arguments about numbers..
Satyam – how do you manage to tackle all these jokers without losing any of your patience? Its simply remarkable on your part.
My two cents – There will never be an Amitabh Bachchan, at least as far as box office in India goes.Whether Buddha ultimately works or not will not deter him in any way possible. Now if some people want to compare the box office status of his films of the last 10 years with those of current stars in an effort to prove that he isnt such a big superstar at all, its nothing but childishness and idiocy
July 5, 2011 at 1:06 AM
TonyMontana… the thing is I never take the individual saying absurd things very seriously. On the other hand I take what is being said seriously as symptom of a larger problem. So for example if someone hates Bachchan this is not interesting for me. If someone does not want to think he was a big star that too doesn’t bother me. But when I see a lot of people exhibiting the very same attitude, arguing in the very same way and so on… I start wondering what is is about Bachchan that bothers these people so much? Even to the point that they have to resort to some pretty strange explanations. It’s much like when the media reacted hysterically to raavan I got that they didn’t like the film or the performance. But why were they so angry? D6 didn’t get good reviews, it too didn’t work but no one was so upset about it. What was there in raaavan that people were so enraged in the media?
These sorts of questions interest me. And these are the things I often try and respond to. It’s not really the obvious stuff about liking one star or not another and so on. For example I have never been a Salman Khan and beginning with his Dhawan phase I’ve even disliked him quite a bit. But otherwise I was never bothered about whether he had the biggest hits or not. I was just indifferent to him at best. I did like him a lot in Dabanng for the very first time but even before this I liked some of the things he was doing with Wanted onwards or some of the stuff he was saying on TV and in interviews etc. I now actually want the films he’s currently doing to work as much as possible. Because I consider his ‘politics’ useful.
Getting to the box office discussions over BBuddah notice what happens — people so dislike a certain narrative being advanced that they show up only in these instance to argue about these things. When I was on NG many used to say that I talked too much about Abhishek and so on. I never quite understood why it bothered anyone as long as I wasn’t being impolite. This when some others used to put up all kinds of ridiculous stuff in the name of news and what not. Now I’m here and I often hear similar things. At the end of the day one has to conclude that people just have a problem with a certain message and don’t like it being presented anywhere. The fact that they adopt a Nazi-like attitude where one doesn’t have a right to say things even on a blog one starts is a bit remarkable. I can’t imagine going to another blog, no matter how unreasonable I might find the content, and questioning people on why they indulge in that opinion! That people take these extreme steps means something.
July 5, 2011 at 6:18 AM
That makes a lot of sense, especially when you talk about the agenda some of the die-hard haters adopt. Raavan and D6 werent successful but it was disheartening to see a whole brigade that seemed to just rip apart a film in every which way possible. As if Abhishek had done some crime or so. In fact, the problem is greater in its magnitude when an Abhishek film is expected to do well (Raavan, D6, DMD) and doesnt deliver. That makes these fanatics work over time.. LOL.. anyways, the thing has spread to Amitabh Bachchan films too. Do they get paid? I wonder..
July 5, 2011 at 8:33 AM
It’s always been about Bachchan.. Abhishek would not have received a third of this flak if he had not been carrying that last name.
July 5, 2011 at 1:20 AM
I have a solution here for all these box office ‘troubles’. for all fans of all stars. If you don’t like what the ‘trade’ reports just reject it! Don’t worry about not having an alternative. So what? if I attend a class somewhere on history and I discover one day that the person teaching me is actually a fake and knows nothing about the subject or alternatively knows things but has the kind of political bias where he’s literally re-writing facts in different ways I should at that point withdraw from the class. I still would not know enough on the history myself but I would know something about the teacher. And that’s enough.
So we can know ‘of’ things. We don’t necessarily have to be aware of the specifics. So if Taran or Nahata says that a film made Rs 6 I can reject that number once I learn these guys are dishonest or fakes. I do not at all have to know the actual gross myself.
Incidentally I have seen for years that when I adopt such a stance it drives many partisans mad. They come and abuse me, they ridicule me or whatever. But if what I’m saying is so crazy why get so upset about it? Because this kind of assertion upsets a certain economy. The Taran-Nahata view of the world or what have you. If one basically likes the picture (pun intended) presented by these guys one will not mind debates over their figures because this too keeps the same frame of reference alive. However if you reject them altogether you interrupt that ‘economy’. And the anarchic potential here disturbs people.
Now as a matter of fact it is not just an assertion on my part, I have reasons for saying what I do. Nonetheless the way its formulated disturbs people. And I’m saying all fans of all stars should do the same with any numbers they don’t like.
This might sound bizarre. But it’s a perfectly sane suggestion. If you cannot get truth and honesty from people claiming to simply deliver ‘factual’ information why not reject the entire frame that allows these people ti remain influential? What do we lose? Nothing really. Because we have never been receiving truth in the first place or when so only coincidentally. No truth is being undermined by my suggestion because none has been presented in the first place. The film industry doesn’t make its decisions based on media and trade coverage.
These things work. Once more why did Taran stop providing numbers online all of a sudden? Because Jay started doing it, then others started copying Jay (they weren’t half as sound but I still liked the idea). Eventually someone felt things were getting out of hand and the numbers were not published anymore. Resistance always makes a difference.
July 5, 2011 at 1:34 AM
Satyam, can you please ask Jay to work on Bbuddah BO specially . . taking numbers from film information ?
July 5, 2011 at 8:25 AM
He doesn’t have access to the numbers.
July 5, 2011 at 2:14 AM
there will be no solution untill there is no transpareny which indian box office never had
there are some sites which give numbers like boi and ibos but don’t claim responsibility to it ( means subject to manipulation)
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/cpages.php?pageName=disc
http://ibosnetwork.com/disclaimers.htm
a proper box office sites gives number and not verdicts which is what boxofficemojo do for hollywood
http://boxofficemojo.com/
they get numbers directly so more accountability and no worry of these legal notices
July 5, 2011 at 2:16 AM
here Amod Mehra says BHTB doing decent business.
http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report_bollywood-still-brags-of-interesting-number-of-hits-despite-losses_1562421
July 5, 2011 at 3:55 AM
on to trade there are 4 or 5 analysts around and they themselves differs around
easy to bribe with money , liquor and all things around so how can you expect transparency most of the time
they themselves change their verdict in their yearly status of movie…….( a movie which make sense somewhat as you can’t get never 100% numbers ) but even that is not consistent
and its not limited to bachchan , khan, kapoor or any xyz star
July 5, 2011 at 4:15 AM
BHTB – steady on Monday 1.2 crores and of course BOI states it is 95 lakhs but gradually admitting that it is
steady. lol
Source: Business cinema
July 5, 2011 at 5:20 AM
BHTP success link below
http://photogallery.apunkachoice.com/pics/public-appearances/photos–amitabh-bachchan-meets-his-fans-after-the-success-of-buddha—hoga-tera-baap-at-jalsa/200001067/8.html#stills
July 5, 2011 at 5:27 AM
OT,
Aishwarya Rai hid the truth from us: Bhandarkar
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/aishwarya-rai-hid-the-truth-from-us-bhandarkar/165102-8-66.html
July 5, 2011 at 5:28 AM
Wat makes DB winner ??
http://features.ibnlive.com/videos/embed/164984/C1520A46F5A03B820B85FADC2E7111C8385B6EFE0E8D09D692202B007C9F6465250AF9776187481B42E0EC7A9A0B83F19C6669118A745B72F748D35BA7C37F771F369F666C3F20F26668C0791A53ADFB3A920E97/07_2011/deli_beli_debt_271x181.jpg
July 5, 2011 at 5:43 AM
Bbuddah roar day by day
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/68311.html
July 5, 2011 at 5:57 AM
@taran_adarsh
taran adarsh ‘Bbuddah HTB’: Fri 1.90 cr, Sat 2.33 cr, Sun 3.09 cr, Mon [early estimates] 1.10 cr [actuals could be slightly higher]. Total 8.42 cr nett.
July 5, 2011 at 7:56 AM
BHTB has grossed nearly 8.5cr in 4 days. That’s very decent business for a 10cr film. As for DMD, it is a 36cr average grosser, whether fools like Maha accept or not.
July 5, 2011 at 8:09 AM
I think BHTB is safe commerically.
Not as big a hit as one would have hoped for but Mon figures suggest it will sail to safety.
It has already won the perception battle. In public’s eyes, AB has resurrected his old self successfully. Glowing reviews, viewer satisfaction and reports of occupanacy/housefull shows from all around are a proof. Most people who have seen it have positive things to say. Except for the most die hard fanatics of other stars and a rare AB fan, the film has worked.
Am glad.
There will be nay sayers but let them be. Let them think whatever they want.Doesnt affect AB. And, frankly BOI doesnt matter as it is a voice in the wilderness. A corrupt,bitter voice.
July 5, 2011 at 8:38 AM
I think Abhishek *should* comment on the Box Office numbers as he is the producer of the movie. It’s frustrating to see all and sundry reporting numbers for the film and the Bachchans maintaining a dignified silence. Abhishek must have his own sources. He needs to come out and make a statement.
July 5, 2011 at 9:29 AM
Absolutely
July 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM
Saket I said this many times on his blog before release..
July 5, 2011 at 8:40 AM
yes the narrative of a success is settling in. Of course those low numbers have been as always disseminated by the trade. Nahata’s are even lower than Taran’s! It is true though that no one otherwise looks at the numbers. The importance of these things gets exaggerated quite a bit online. Most people think of films as either successes or not.
But there’s another point tied to this. Specially with Abhishek a lot of times those who don’t like him wonder why he keeps getting films. Well this is precisely because the story the trade presents on him is far from the truth but equally so for the ‘stories’ presented on other stars. This doesn’t mean that I’m denying obvious success or failures.
July 5, 2011 at 9:07 AM
DB has been given step motherly treatment since understandably we have been caught up with BHTB. It seems to have exceeded expectations.4.3 crores on Mon is exceptionally strong . It has hit the mark and is a very important success for AKP. As important as Lagaan and TZP. A very clever film, brilliantly promoted. Well done, Aamir. He knows exactly how far to push the envelope.
July 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM
never had any doubts about this one..
July 5, 2011 at 9:17 AM
Taran has about 26 crores for the weekend, Nahata 23, BOI 21, IBOS 19.
Doesn’t this prove my point? A range of 7 crores! Even between BOI and Taran a range of 5 crores.
July 5, 2011 at 9:26 AM
Yes, I intended to say something about DB too. It’s another ‘feather’ in Aamir’s cap although family audiences probably won’t think in the same way. I haven’t seen the film (won’t/can’t watch it before catching BHTB) but it’s the kind of film I’d have enjoyed in my college days. Whether or not I’d enjoy it today is another matter.
Irrespective of the film’s merits or demerits, what I like about Aamir and his production house is that he’s not married to a single genre. So he produces a Dhobi Ghaat and also Delhi Belly. In between there’s a Peepli Live as well. It doesn’t seem like a big thing but there’s no other producer out there who can straddle different genres as Aamir seems to do so easily. It’s a herculean achivement, IMO. And his creativity actually finds its peak during the promotions of the film. He’s a marketing whizz without a Harvard/Wharton/LBS MBA!
July 5, 2011 at 9:33 AM
Agree on Aamir, but He is becoming a Brand now. On Blogsphere i see folks saying now onwards we don/t need to see even trailors also if its Aamir Movie after DB. ..
Naam he kaafi hain…
ps: DB is one hell of movie
July 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM
no doubts here..
by the way have you heard of a film called Always Kabhi Kabhie?! The trade hasn’t talked about this at all. Guess why!
July 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM
I think *many* producers have produced films of uncommon genre. Small films, but not very big success because of not having a famous name.
If there is a DB there was a Dev D.
If there’s a PL there was Tere Bin Laden (a satire in the real sense)
If there’s a DG ..hmmm can’t think of any contemporary examples, except several parallel running stories occured in Life in a Metro.
If people are honest they’ll accept that PL, BG and DB were successes because of Amir cashing on his name.
I can’t challenge him now to make these films even in early 2000s.
These successes would not have been possible under any other banner.
It’s either naivety or exceptional ‘hero worshipping’ to think he has hit a landmark.
I haven’t seen DB but from what I have read it seems not unlike many films made in the west (which Amir is trying very hardimpress).
July 5, 2011 at 10:36 AM
No one is saying these are landmark films, we’re talking about Aamir’s stunning success rate across every conceivable genre, every kind of production scale, and a success rate of 100% (yes even MP by the standards of today is some kind of success.. even at the time not many lost money on it). Of course many films here are significant. There’s no need to raise the bar here so much. No one has said there was an Awara or something embedded here. Additionally Dev D did roughly 50-55% of what PL did. And Dev D was still a better film for the multiplexes than PL by any stretch. DG would have had NO audience without Aamir. So it’s not just about some genres working otherwise, one also has to look at the scale. as for Aamir cashing in on his name I guess I missed the industry where his peers are engaged in charity. His peers certainly wish they could cash in in the same way. Wonder why SRK couldn’t cash in on his name with a small multiplex-friendly production like Always Kabhi Kabhie! Again you perform a certain move here where you say some of us are hero-worshipping him or whatever but you surreptitiously change the terms of the debate. Yes I think his achievement is heroic since this past decade. But not because i define in the terms you have chosen. His success rate across genres, the magnitude of his success in these genres (my claim is that from RDB to DCH to lagaan to TZP to Fanaa to Ghajini to 3I to PL to DB… etc) no other star could have grossed more in those films at those points in time. And I don’t see the evidence in this entire period to disprove this point. All in all his achievement is historic for Bollywood in this sense — I have never seen a star do it by prestige in quite this manner. Even the greatest stars have a certain instant iconic appeal and a certain base of subjects. It hasn’t been this for Aamir. He’s never been SRK. But he’s nonetheless built this ‘empire’. This doesn’t mean he’s Raj Kapoor or Amitabh bachchan. But in his own way his accomplishments are quite incredible and the story is by no means over at this point. His next two films are assuredly hits/blockbusters. The question is then only of magnitude. All his peers are struggling just to get two hits together forget in different genres and what not. It’s ironic that when it comes to bachchan you find some others very annoying (rightly so) but you perform the very same moves when it comes to Aamir. You can dislike him as much as you want, surely this shouldn’t prevent a recognition of the facts.
July 5, 2011 at 10:28 AM
Oldgold…
saket is telling One prodn House not multiple producers and again you trailed into wonderlands of aamir khan.. sometime i see aamir makes the ground beneath you slippery
July 5, 2011 at 10:31 AM
“He’s a marketing whizz without a Harvard/Wharton/LBS MBA!” incidentally the Harvard and Wharton DOES help ones cv and to get a bigger starting paycheque ….
But for certainthings you need “hands on” street smartness for which no degre helps– a longstanding interest fuelled by passion helps– something which has helped an above average performer who with his below average eight has achieved extraordinary success .
Haven’t seen DB– the v title is something whichonly toursists ESP White tourists use when coming to india– as oldgold suggested, he still has an eye at the oscars. To top it though, he is managing to move the indian box office and that IS remarkable!!
Ps– oldgold -did u ultimately read my list of cinema outlets inlondon for Buddha and did u end up watching it?
Ps2– Dimps had told me somewhere in the blog that she is “under the weather”. If she meant a hangover– Dimps– behave yourself and spare the younger guys —hahah
If she is seriously ill, wishing her a quick recovery. Hope she hasn’t got a bird flu-like serious illness!! Lol- just joking!
July 5, 2011 at 4:28 PM
@satyam
Why are you so surprised at Amir’s success in different genres?
Nothing follows success so successfully as success.
Once again, to me success means ‘how many people’ and not ‘how much money’ – and not that he made so much money over and above his investment so it’s a success.
For me a film is not successful if it isn’t popular with people, and that’s all I want to say about a successful film.
@alex. Thank you alex. It was difficult to find that comment in this jungle. I hope to see it when I visit London in about 3weeks. Hope it’s still playing then.
July 5, 2011 at 9:08 AM
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/features/2011/07/05/7671/index.html
why shd. ash or bachchans keep silent till aish was 4 months pregnant?
July 5, 2011 at 9:33 AM
Did someone die?
He’s such a drama queen.
This long schedule he’s referring to now is not the schedule he and Ash were quoted as saying when film announced. They said 45 day schedule wrapped at the end of July now he’s saying something different.
July 5, 2011 at 1:43 PM
And the enigma continues
One can says it has both sides … those favouring female liberation can call it as an illegal act of dropping lady just for being pregnant while the director can also claim as a loss
Aside what are the famous pregnancies tamasha’s of bollywood
Talking about bachchans I guess jaya was pregnant during sholay but she continued on with the movie
Dilip’s wife saira unfortunately has miscarriage ( even dilip for a short time married asma for heir)
Its depressing to see that …he saw his heir in ayup khan his nephew who sadly is reduced to television these days
Kajol very recently has miscarriage and that made her took long break
July 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM
Oh brother. He’s probably the only one lamenting the loss of a Bhandarkar release.
July 5, 2011 at 9:34 AM
BHTB opening is between 6.25cr and 7.75 cr depending on the the source you select, while DB is between 21cr and 27cr. That’s a huge difference.
Eventhough it was clear that DB will take better opeining did anybody expect the difference to be so huge?
July 5, 2011 at 7:37 PM
that difference is because of the total number of screens between DB AND BHTB as BHTB was released with very less number of screens compared to DB…HOPE U UNDERSTAND NOW??
July 5, 2011 at 10:50 AM
Ideaunique– bhandarkar has a point there…
It’s not that simple either ways but he CAN argue that ash should have informed him earlier !
I am ash’s biggest fan and infAct have gone on record to say that she was the most desirable indian lead for me( at her peak)….
But as always, I try to be as unbiased as possible, inconflicting situations.
Satyam can & has vouched for that with respect to bachchan for eg( havent minced words for anyone when feel it warrants that)–lol
However in this case, it is evenly balanced. Ash can also argue maternity rights and discrimination , even human rights.
Bottom-line– how can a woman lose a job(film here) ONLY on the basis of preganancy.
It’s a point for debate– but personally I would like to give the benefit o doubt and weightage to empathy towards the pregnant woman!!
As always , hope ash wins this “round” .
I became a sp fan of her when she got rid of the abuser and adulterer against all odds– kudos to ash– a real true blue icon!
“Oldgold-sometime i see aamir makes the groun beneath you slippery”– hahaha I have inside info about the “slippery” bit –lol
Just joking!
July 5, 2011 at 12:30 PM
July 3, 2011
Holiday Box Office Sputters Domestically but Explodes Overseas
By BROOKS BARNES
LOS ANGELES — Hollywood’s Fourth of July fireworks were overseas.
The holiday period, a marquee sales time for movie studios, saw Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks bomb in the romantic comedy “Larry Crowne” and the third installment of the “Transformers” series fall notably short of its predecessor in North America. But the international box office continued to sizzle, with fans flocking to “Transformers: Dark of the Moon.” Between Tuesday night and Sunday, that Paramount Pictures movie sold an estimated $210 million in tickets overseas, a 51 percent increase over the same opening stretch for “Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen,” the franchise’s previous entry, in 2009.
Paramount said that tickets for 3-D shows, which carry a price premium, drove the strong overseas performance for “Dark of the Moon,” which set sales records in seven countries, including South Korea with an estimated $28 million. It was Paramount’s biggest international opening (in dollars unadjusted for inflation).
“To see this kind of gigantic international start is simply amazing,” said Rob Moore, Paramount’s vice chairman. Overseas sales for “Revenge of the Fallen,” which was not released in 3-D, totaled $434 million, and “Dark of the Moon” could sharply improve on that.
The film was shown at many Imax theaters abroad, and Imax, which broke its global sales records, was jubilant. “It’s out of control,” said Greg Foster, its chairman of filmed entertainment.
Still, North America was a muddy picture. “Dark of the Moon” took in about $162 million between Tuesday night and Sunday, compared with $200 million for “Revenge of the Fallen” during the comparable period, according to Hollywood.com, which compiles ticketing statistics. Monday sales for “Dark of the Moon” were estimated at $18.8 million, lifting its domestic total to $181 million.
Analysts attributed the shortfall — which came despite higher ticket prices — to several factors. Audiences in the United States have started to tire of 3-D. About 60 percent of the domestic total for “Dark of the Moon” came from 3-D screenings; the format made up about 70 percent of sales overseas.
Americans, still feeling the pinch of a weak economy, have been going to the movies less often. For the year, domestic ticket sales stand at $5.2 billion, an 8 percent decline from the same period in 2010; attendance is down 9.4 percent.
But confusion overload from “Revenge of the Fallen” and its hard-to-decipher plot was probably the biggest factor. “We needed to win the audience back by telling a better story,” Mr. Moore said.
The good news for Paramount, aside from the overseas total, involves audience reaction to “Dark of the Moon.” Exit polls show that moviegoers are more satisfied with the film than with its predecessor, which should lead to favorable word of mouth. Sales increased from Friday to Saturday, a sign of positive chatter among fans of the series.
“Dark of the Moon,” directed by Michael Bay, cost about $200 million to make and centers on robot aliens clashing over a hidden spacecraft. (The 3-D effects alone contributed about $30 million to the budget.) It was easily No. 1 at the North American box office for the weekend.
“Cars 2,” from Pixar Animation Studios, was second in its second weekend with about $25 million in sales (excluding Monday estimates) for a new total of $116 million. “Bad Teacher,” the raunchy Sony comedy starring Cameron Diaz, was third with about $14 million for a two-week total of $59.5 million.
Ms. Roberts and Mr. Hanks limped along in fourth place in “Larry Crowne,” distributed by Universal Pictures and taking in about $13 million. Vendome Pictures spent about $30 million to make it. The two stars have opened to lower results: “Charlie Wilson’s War” sold about $10 million in tickets during its first three days in 2007. But that was a drama released in winter, and analysts had higher expectations for the two in a summer comedy.
The disappointing returns could have been the result of negative reviews and a warm-and-fuzzy marketing campaign that made the film look like something akin to a movie of the week.
Mr. Hanks directed the film, which he wrote with Nia Vardalos (“My Big Fat Greek Wedding”). To help get the movie made he agreed to play the male lead. The story centers on a middle-aged man who goes back to college after losing his job and develops a crush on his teacher, played by Ms. Roberts.
“Monte Carlo,” an inexpensive comedic romance from 20th Century Fox starring Selena Gomez, was fifth, taking in about $7.6 million.
The coming weeks will be crucial for Hollywood’s hopes of ending its domestic box office slump. Aside from continued sales for “Dark of the Moon,” the industry is counting on a potential multiplex monster: Warner Brothers will release “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2” in 3-D on July 15.
July 5, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Weekend Report: ‘Transformers’ Claims Independence Gross Record
by Brandon Gray
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
July 4, 2011
This weekend, Transformers: Dark of the Moon dominated the box office with an estimated $97.5 million on approximately 9,300 screens at 4,013 locations (an estimated $116.4 million for the four-day weekend). In the process, the robo-threequel rocked the Independence Day weekend gross record, eclipsing Spider-Man 2′s $88.2 million, and socked Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides for the top-grossing weekend crown of 2011 so far. The Friday-to-Sunday opening salvos of Transformers and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen were $70.5 million and $109 million, respectively.
Transformers: Dark of the Moon amassed an estimated $175.6 million for its six-day opening ($181.1 million total including Tuesday night previews), ranking as the ninth highest-grossing six-day launch ever. The last big movie to share Dark of the Moon’s days and dates (Wednesday, June 29, through Sunday, July 3) was War of the Worlds in 2005, and Dark of the Moon handily out-grossed that alien invasion movie’s $112.7 million six-day start, though the two movies had nearly identical percentage changes throughout the weekend.
However, whlie the first Transformers made $155.4 million by day six (including previews), the second one, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, collected $214.9 million by its sixth day. What’s more, Dark of the Moon’s estimated attendance was far below Revenge of the Fallen and Spider-Man 2 and even behind the first Transformers by around 15 percent. Dark of the Moon’s 3D share of the gross was 60 percent at a record 2,789 3D locations, which was stronger than the 40 percent range showings of the last four major 3D releases (Cars 2, Green Lantern, Kung Fu Panda 2, Pirates 4) but still down from the format’s glory days. Dark of the Moon’s exit polling results were 62 percent male (compred to 54 percent male for Revenge of the Fallen) and 55 percent under 25 years old.
Transformers: Dark of the Moon had an uphill battle after the negative reactions to Revenge of the Fallen, which itself relied on the good will generated by the first Transformers to deliver its awesome numbers. Dark of the Moon looked like more of the same, though its marketing promised the slickest robo-spectacle yet as well as a stronger alien invasion/disaster angle and a reveal that humans were working with the Decepticons all this time (intended as an “oh my god” point in the ads). It wasn’t enough to overcome the stench of Revenge of the Fallen, but the franchise’s fumes were still strong enough and Dark of the Moon’s spectacle great enough in an unspectacular summer to yield likely the first $300 million plus movie of the year.
In second place, Cars 2 sprang a leak. The Pixar sequel slowed 60 percent to an estimated $26.2 million ($32.1 million four-day). That was the steepest second-weekend drop yet for a Pixar movie and was significantly worse than WALL-E (off 48 percent) and the first Cars (off 44 percent) at the same point. With $123 million in 11 days, Cars 2′s total was slightly ahead of Cars’ $121 million at the 11-day mark, but attendance was worse. While Transformers: Dark of the Moon had a 60 percent 3D share, Cars 2′s fell to around 35 percent from 40 percent last weekend.
Bad Teacher was downgraded by 54 percent, but it still outdrew the debut of another school-oriented comedy, Larry Crowne. The Cameron Diaz vehicle pulled in an estimated $14.5 million ($17.6 million four-day) for a $63 million sum in 11 days.
Despite the presence of Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, Larry Crowne failed to make the grade, grossing an estimated $13.1 million at 2,973 locations ($15.7 million four-day). The opening was well below par for both stars, and it’s no wonder: the movie had a meek premise, coming off as a mild-mannered version of television’s Community, and lacked punch in its marketing, relying too much on Hanks and Roberts’ presence to carry the day. Distributor Universal Pictures’ reported a demographic breakdown of 64 percent female and 81 percent 35 years of age and older.
Monte Carlo rounded out the Top Five with an estimated $7.4 million at 2,473 locations ($8.8 million four-day), which was slightly less than Ramona and Beezus from last summer. Distributor 20th Century Fox’s research showed that 80 percent of Monte Carlo’s audience was female and 60 percent was under 25 years old.
Green Lantern’s downward spiral worsened, and the superhero movie’s now dimming faster than Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. It plummeted 64 percent to an estimated $6.5 million, falling behind the older Super 8, which made an estimated $7.8 million. In 18 days, Green Lantern has grossed $103.7 million or just a bit more than what Transformers: Dark of the Moon did in its first three days. Super 8 stood at $110.1 million in 25 days.
Meanwhile, Bridesmaids crossed the $150 million mark on its 50th day and surpassed Knocked Up to become the top-grossing Judd Apatow production yet. The comedy had the second-smallest decline of the weekend behind Midnight in Paris (among nationwide releases), down 31 percent to an estimated $3.7 million. With a $153.8 million haul in 53 days, Bridesmaids also edged out the final gross of Sex and the City.
July 5, 2011 at 12:38 PM
read these two box office reports. First the one by the NY Times which talks about bigger overseas results compared to domestic ones. Then check out the second Boxofficemojo piece where despite those huge Transformer numbers they talk about attendance down and so on.
This is how it’s done. We’ve seen these reports many times over the years. We’ve talked about them. Compared to the comprehensiveness of these reports, the lack of any partisanship, the variety of standards used etc you see how the stuff that is reported in India in the name of the box office is such bull that one dignifies it by not using much worse language. It is utter garbage. And it’s not about hits being called flops or vice versa. It’s not even about the partisan commentary. All these things can be and are rightly questioned. But just the overall level of discourse is so incredibly retarded, the idea that the world’s largest democracy, the world’s largest overall film industry has this to show for its efforts is mind-boggling.
In a sense all of us who are interested in the box office and take one side or the other are at fault. It’s not about whether one is addressing the problems or not. The level of the discourse is so imbecilic that there really is no sane way to respond to it. Whether this happens because people have agendas and/or corruption or whatever just gets to how this happens. But what we nonetheless have on display is pathetic.
July 5, 2011 at 1:13 PM
Got some time, seems!
Thinking between transformers3 & bad teacher– any ideas folks!!!
July 5, 2011 at 1:19 PM
I didn’t like the first Transformers, never saw the second one, was briefly thinking about the third one for the SFX but then decided that I wouldn’t be able to sit through 2.45 of this stuff in 3D! Can’t say Bad teacher is my kind of thing anyway.
I would say forget all this stuff and check this out:
http://www.londonnet.co.uk/films/incendies.html
It’s a stunning film. Simply incredible.
July 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Incendies is One hell of incredible movie. Pure Magic.
July 5, 2011 at 1:32 PM
Thanks –”incendies” seems interesting but not being shown here–will check it later when hit mainland-lol
.Btw There is no Bollywood nor any bollywood viewers here–lol
One has to go by “consensus” sometimes.
My philosophy– depending on the “company”-An uninteresting film also has some”benefits”&”perks”: like everything in life–hahaha
July 5, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Have absolutely no idea what those ‘perks’ might be!
July 5, 2011 at 1:58 PM
thanks for recommending Satyam.. will try to check this out.. trying to develop some taste
July 5, 2011 at 2:11 PM
It’s not a question of taste but simple exposure. I have never believed in a hierarchy in this sense. Yes some films sometimes require a certain education (which does not only mean of the institutional kind) in terms of formally appreciating them but this doesn’t mean one cannot enjoy them otherwise.
Note all of this doesn’t really contradict the very polemical debates I had with some over Dil Se and Raavan. Not liking these works is absolutely fine. just don’t tell me Rathnam doesn’t know how to shoot or edit a film!
But most of the time we restrict ourselves in terms of the cinema. So for example it is almost impossible to get very many Hindi speakers to check out good Tamil films. The absurdity is that from Rathnam to Puri to Kamal to Murugadoss to whoever the moment these directors make works in Hindi everyone likes them. But people still refuse to see the original films. Then there are many who have the subtitle issue. Not saying this is an ideal way to watch films but it’s not a huge block either that one has to somehow overcome. Yes when it comes to certain kinds of auteurist cinema one has to develop certain habits, get used to the ‘time’ of those works more than anything else. But there’s nothing more that’s needed other than an openness to the new.
the correlation between those who don’t have ‘taste’ in these matters and those who don’t have the ‘exposure’ is a high one. Of course there are some who are just resistant to the idea of sensible cinema and refuse to engage with it even when they are shown such a film. Can’t help these sorts of people. But otherwise it’s just about exposure. Which is not to say some films are not difficult. But that’s true for any other art form too.
July 5, 2011 at 2:54 PM
Watching transformers3–IMAX 3D—house full– gr8 crowd !!!!!
July 5, 2011 at 1:16 PM
Watched Delhi Belly today.
Its undoubtedly an excellent black comedy with hardly a dull moment in the 100 minutes of its running time. There’s an unnecessary hue n cry about the language used and other stuff in the film. If bad language is what makes a film offensive and poor, then Kubrick, Tarantino, Guy Ritchie and Martin Scorsese would be the worst filmmakers alive.
Performance-wise, its Vijay Raaz who takes the cake with a brilliant act.. He just about ovvershadows everyone who shares screen space with him. a remarkable actor and wish we could get to see more of him.
finally a comedy that make me laugh like anything.. I’d highly recommend it.
July 5, 2011 at 1:20 PM
thanks.. hope to check it out this week..
July 5, 2011 at 1:25 PM
vijay raaj is getting good reviews from east is east which was released recently
July 5, 2011 at 1:42 PM
think you mean West is West.
July 5, 2011 at 1:58 PM
west is west is an awesome movie
July 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM
ya second part
July 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM
This has been retweeted 70 times (you’d have to know who N D Tiwary is though)
#fourwordsaftersex Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap #NDTiwariversion
July 5, 2011 at 2:24 PM
LOL!!!
July 5, 2011 at 2:33 PM
This is my opinion on BHTB
Good to hear and read abt so much positivity around the movie especially BIG B performance which was huge. Actually, media both print and television as well as WOM frm ppl is extremely positive. PPL have loved Amitabh return to angry image even at this age which is a plus in my opinion. I agree the release date should have been sorted out better as then it would have appealed to a much bigger audience. Why to clash with DB and T3 this one needed a clean release for sure. But the positive is people have appreciated Bachchan, and future opportunity in such roles does exist even at almost age 70 for Bachchan. I do hope and believe such kind of movies will come up further for Bachchan and the mkt for him in these kind of roles has just opened up only Abhishek as producer needs to be smart enough to sort out release dates”,budget etc and all tht stuff better.
But on some other forums which I also follow recently Bachchan bashing is on big time. Why do ppl consider Bachchan still a competition for their stars, I dont undertand this yet. Man just give him his space and let him do wonders at almost 70. But ppl finding Bachchan still a irritant for their younger stars is actually a huge complimenet to this giant of a man I think.
July 6, 2011 at 1:25 AM
Business Talk With Taran Adarsh
Brand Aamir reigns supreme, again!
July 6, 2011 – 07:52 IST
What a week! Three films — if I include the Hollywood TRANSFORMERS — and each of them were being eyed with keen enthusiasm. In fact, this was one of those rare weeks when moviegoers had made up their mind to watch two or [all] three films during the course of the weekend/week. This happens rarely… when the excitement to watch a film is evident days before its theatrical release.
DELHI BELLY was expected to emerge a winner, with the audience voting from their wallet generously. The super-strong brand [Aamir Khan] + rocking soundtrack of this movie had assured the distributors that a terrific start was on the cards. In fact, after last week’s DOUBLE DHAMAAL opened to a rousing reception, everyone was hoping that the three films would make the industry cash-rich in the opening weekend, making it one of the biggest weekends of the year thus far.
Of course, DELHI BELLY packed a solid punch and so did TRANSFORMERS, but BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP took time to stand up to the opposition posed by these two films. The one question that’s being asked in the industry circles is, had BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP arrived a week later, with MURDER 2, would things be different [better]? As things stand today, the film has been relegated to the third spot since the youth has given their mandate to DELHI BELLY and TRANSFORMERS.
Who would’ve ever thought that DELHI BELLY, which isn’t a hardcore masala film, would’ve reaped a big initial, at par with say a film starring an ‘A’ list star? Everyone felt that like Aamir’s last two ventures as producer, PEEPLI [LIVE] and DHOBI GHAT, DELHI BELLY was targeted at a tiny section of audience. If one were to go by this logic, how does one explain the fantastic performance of this film at the ticket counters? A film that caters to a miniscule audience doesn’t fetch such numbers, for sure. As a matter of fact, at the rate DELHI BELLY is faring, it may touch the lifetime business of I HATE LUV STORYS by the end of Week 1 itself.
That only goes to prove how powerful a brand Aamir Khan is today. The name is synonymous with qualitative cinema and irrespective of how the audience reacts to his film, he ensures ‘House Full’ boards in the opening weekend, a feat no studio/film-maker can guarantee today. Underestimating a brand like Aamir Khan in today’s times is, well, unwise.
BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP, in my opinion, would’ve benefitted tremendously had it arrived later. Averting the clash with not just DELHI BELLY but also TRANSFORMERS has proved costly for this film, which is rich in merits, but has been affected due to the competitors. At several centres in India, BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP was the second choice of exhibitors. Internationally too, if you notice the numbers, DELHI BELLY has stolen the march in every country, be it U.K., U.S.A., Australia or U.A.E [read details in our Overseas Boxoffice column].
TRANSFORMERS, which had a really wide release across the globe, made a dent in the business of all films, English or non-English [DELHI BELLY and BBUDDHA HOGA TERRA BAAP were affected as well]. Which only goes to prove that the next time Bollywood producers decide on a release date, please, please, please, please ensure that you aren’t locking horns with a Hollywood biggie in India and also internationally. It’s better to be safe than sorry!
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/trade/business_talk/index.html
July 6, 2011 at 9:39 AM
I just cannot understand how anyone can like Delhi Belly.
A movie must have aesthetics and visual appeal to bring wholesome entertainment. And the songs must soothe the souls.
The times are very bad. We need to inject values, not bad language.
This Khan has forgotten his social responsibility.
The film may be a big boxoffice hit. But i would rather watch a beautiful old fashioned movie.
i am eagerly waiting for ZNMD. Mausam.
July 6, 2011 at 9:47 AM
Relax Vatikala — chill… There r lotsa other people wid “social responsibility”!!lol
Btw is Dimps (your other half) alive ?
July 6, 2011 at 9:53 AM
dont worry. she will come back.
July 6, 2011 at 10:55 AM
“We need to inject values”
this is an argument every generation makes. If there’s one thing that’s a constant in human history it’s this ‘values’ complaint!
Incidentally the most canonical author in terms of going against such values was of course Shakespeare who could never quite resist an obscene pun or double entendre if he could think of one (which was always!).
July 6, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Satyam, that is the reason why i dont like to watch maaramari type of masala movies. All these things make the youth to get confused. Whether to rebel or not. What type of rebellion is right and what type is wrong. Parents teach their children to behave. They dont teach them bad words. That is called value.
July 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM
No ‘rebellion’ is by definition ‘correct’ by the institutional standards of the existing generation..
What were the ‘youth’ doing before the advent of cinema? Never getting confused?
July 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM
LOL.
July 6, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Teaching is no big deal, question arises when to act on that teaching…
Suppose , you teach your kids all good things, beta/beti don’t do this. don’t lie. and so on but next moment the kids sees you doing the same thing what u tell him/her not to do… all teaching goes thru the window…
child is much more intelligent that we think they are. one cant so called “inject values” by teaching but by imbibing themselves in our lives… Make the foundation strong than no movie or any external agent will come into the picture…
When we think teaching values is the panacea of all, we are doomed. Better we live those ideals in our own lives and child is intelligent enuf to see that, else he/ she thinks my parents are biggest liars and hypocrites, even though they wont say that coz of emotional bond.
Movie doesnt affect a child as much as the lives of there own parents does.
July 6, 2011 at 11:11 AM
“Injecting Values”….
By whom and whose responsibility is’t???
DB depicts the language of modern india, and its no way derogatory to fairer sex and no lewd remarks also..
I wanna say it more but than..
July 6, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Values? Why didn’t anyone bring up the question of values and morality when Amitabh ji did Nishabd? Married old man, falling in love with a girl of his daughter’s age! Or an aged man proving his ”strength” to a much-younger Tabu in Cheeni Kum? Sexy Sam type roles – does it suit a man of his age and stature, especially in Indian culture? I hope you remember Boom as well! Padosan apni murgi ko rakhna sambhaal, mera murga hua hai deewana aur ”Jumma chumma de de!” – yeh values thi kya?
Do Aur Do Paanch, in the starting, has a scene in which both Amitabh and Shashi Kapoor shout gaalis at each other in jail. Many more examples of morals and values in other stars’ films are there!
Talking of bad language, Big B and his contemporaries like Dharam and Shatru are responsible for making words like ”kutta” (saala, etc.) type gaalis a part of everyday speak for even kids! They are the trailblazers! Otherwise, even kutta-kameena was forbidden once upon a time!
Every generation has its own set of likes and dislikes.
My grandfather always hated Sholay and said that film was a beginner’s course in gaalis!
If it is about values and culture, then why did Big B host a show like Bigg Boss on TV?
Of course, DB language and certain scenes are more offensive than kutte-kameenay stuff but it has A certificate and no one is forcing you or anyone else to watch it. Why get bothered if it is doing well at the box office or getting good feedback on Twitter, IMDb or good reviews in international media? It is not Aamir’s fault in it. Certain people are liking it so they are watching and recommending it!
Not just box office, DB popularity can be gauged by number of fan pages and groups dedicated to it on FB and other social networking sites, ratings on sites like IMDb and Flixster. Google trends, hits on Youtube, number of tweets/blogs etc. DB was also voted among Top 10 most awaited movies of 2011 in Bollywood Hungama poll – http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/features/2011/02/04/7065/index.html
It was voted among top 20 most awaited films of 2010 also! – http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/features/2010/01/21/5861/index.html
When Ormax Media guys took a poll on Twitter, asking which film will do better at the box office, DB was voted ahead of BHTB.
DB has popularity too, not just box office numbers or reviews. If some of you can show photos of people lined up to watch BHTB, then even photos of people lining up to watch DB are there. Many have witnessed audience giving standing ovation to DB in theatres. Equal or more anecdotal evidence exists for DB also.
No denying BHTB is doing well. But trying to bring down Aamir Khan or DB, or accusing his team of ”reporting false collections” or trying to sabotage BHTB or ”spreading vulgarity” is not fair.
He has not forgotten his social responsibility. Had this been the case, he would have tried to get this film a U/A certificate and never warned the audience of its content in advance! At least he has been honest about the content of this film since the beginning!
BTW, an elderly Dharam or Amitabh jumping to the tunes of Tinku jiya or Kajrare, with girls younger than their own daughters is also no sign of social responsibility! Nickaming a little kid ”Sexy” (Cheeni Kum) is also not right (there was a huge controversy about it when the film released). An old man judging that a woman’s from Chandigarh, by just looking at her butt (ala Sexy Sam in KANK) is also not socially responsible or moral! And these are U or U/A rated films!
I wish both stars’ films do well. And I hope everyone including fans behave with grace, even in case one star’s film upstages the other!
No one is a saint. Every star does films or songs of various kinds and then fans use all sorts of logic to defend one film and trash the other.
Box Office Mojo does not yet have a page for BHTB, but has one for DB. So, is that site biased too?
July 6, 2011 at 2:46 PM
I agree with most of the things you say. But there are certain things to be looked into. If a parent tells its child that he or she could not watch something or could not say something. And the inquisitive child asks its parents that if something is bad for it, how can it be good for them? Double standards? The parents will shut the mouth of the child but the question remains in the mind of the child unanswered.
Most parents compel children to drink milk while they themselves drink coffee or tea. I saw resentment in the children’s eyes and those resentments build up and make them rebels when they get out of the clutches of such parents.
Now take Delhi Belly which is making waves and enjoying unprecedented patronage. Now a plethora of such films will follow by crude directors who will have no script sense but may want to cash on this trend. And censor board officials will have to deal with them.
I only pointed out the flip side while I agree that there is some freshness and novelty in the concept.
July 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM
“And the inquisitive child asks its parents that if something is bad for it, how can it be good for them?”
I don’t follow this logic. Don’t age limits apply to things in life. I won’t allow my kid to drive my car just because I do it! I won’t allow the kid to ride a subway at midnight just because I do it! I won’t allow him/her to watch a movie with graphic sexual situations just because I do it!
DB comes with a certain certificate. It’s not for everyone. Even if it were and if I didn’t want a child to watch I’d say so. The culture will throw up lots of messages that I might not like for kids. It’s called living in a world, not a goldfish bowl! Far more terrifying things happen on the front page of newspapers that could ever be presented in a film!
As for your concern that the culture gets coarsened this way that’s not really true either. Because people are speaking like this anyway. Don’t think people will start doing so in all situations because a film or two is made. And if they do well then that means the terms of that culture have shifted also. These things happen.
Personally I think that what happens daily on TV is worse for any culture than anything that’s going on in DB. here I can do no better than quote Fellini.
In the 80s the great Fellini wrote something about Italian TV that applies even moreso to all the satellite cultures of our age:
“The abnormal, the monstrous, the delirious, the alienated, the exceptional reproposed by TV as (it it were) the most obvious, normal, familiar, and customary aspect of daily life; and on the other hand, the banality, the insignificant, the informal, the collective, the undifferentiated, presented with solemnity, trumpet flourishes, reflectors, choreography, and the rhythms of a sacred ceremony.”
He also tied this TV phenomenon and its attendant video culture to the ‘death of cinema’:
“I too think that the cinema has lost authority, prestige, mystery, magic. The giant screen that dominates an audience devotedly gathered in front of it no longer fascinates us. Once it dominated tiny little men staring enchanted at immense faces, lips, eyes, living and breathing in another unreachable dimension, fantastic and at the same time real, like a dream. Now we have learned to dominate it. We are bigger than it. See how we have reduced it: here it is the size of a cushion between the library and the flower pot. Sometimes it’s even in the kitchen, near the refrigerator. It has become an electronic domestic servant and we, seated in armchairs, armed with remote control, exercise a total power over those little images, rejecting whatever is unfamiliar or boring to us… We wipe out the images that don’t interest us. We are the masters. What a bore that Bergman! Who said Bunuel was a great director? Out of the house with them. I want to see a ball game or a variety show. Thus a tyrant spectator is born, an absolute despot who does what he wants and more convinced that he is the director or at least the producer of the images he sees. How could the cinema possibly try to attract that kind of audience?”
July 6, 2011 at 11:28 PM
Death of cinema? Cinema is not dead. Actually it is retribution of sorts The tv audience with remote has so much choice and little time. It started with the death of reading a good book with the advent of cinema. Now many consider Harry potter as the greatest literary work and Shakespeare as some freak museum piece. And Fellini crying foul. You get what you do unto others. in this case it is cinema culture versus high end literary work.
Cinema made literature a handmaid. It distorted the purity of literary works of great value.
July 7, 2011 at 12:05 AM
But that’s not the argument Fellini is making. He’s not bemoaning the replacement of one art form by another but the replacing of one with perversity!
On cinema and literature I do agree that most literary adaptations are wanting. On the other hand cinema delivers these to a great number and most of which would never read the book anyway! Also the potency of cinema cannot be reduced to its ‘economy’ with the printed word. There’s a lot else going on here!
July 7, 2011 at 12:18 AM
But cinema knows how to reinvent itself and thats why some Fridays throw surprises at us.
Cinema can never be dead because that big screen experience is something to make us look forward to.
Though I bemoan about great works being reduced to 3 hours, I cannot deny the fact that this has made many to read the books who otherwise would not have cared.
July 6, 2011 at 3:40 PM
I have only one explanation for the reason people think it’s so cool to have people spewing offensive gaalis on the screen.
The west does it – and we are equally ‘advanced and liberated’. LOL!!
I’m surprised that people are giving lame excuses of people using bad language ‘in everyday life’ so it doesn’t matter onscreen.
There’s a great difference between glorifying, magnifying (big screen larger than life), cultifying, putting the words to music, spewing offensive language under the halo of a brand name, instead of hearing it anonymously on the street from someone, and spewing gaalis where it is a *focus*
Come on. Stop being *reverse* hypocrites!!! It was a money generating trick, and it worked.
The worse is the manzil that one arrives at after walking this street.
July 6, 2011 at 3:55 PM
No, I’d have to disagree that it’s a money generating trick. Foul language has been used in proper ‘art’ films like Ardh Satya as well. Bandit Queen, for instance, was full of proper hindi expletives. These films, and others, did not make money because of the use of expletives or foul language. But at the same time, they were not exactly glorifying their usage either. The use of cuss words was presented as a fact of life.
Delhi Belly isn’t too different from these films in that respect. Is this kind of language normal? In Delhi, this sort of stuff is quite mild. I know from first hand experience. It’s again just another fact of life. But at the same time, a film like Delhi Belly is going to be patronized by the college going crowd and somehow I feel they’d start thinking that their use of gaalis is now justified. I say all of this without having seen the film, though.
It’s quite possible I’ll like Delhi Belly as a film. But at the same time, I feel a bit uneasy with the after-effects of this film as well. When Langda Tyaagi mouths gaalis in Omkara, it’s a source of amusement, but perhaps not a vindication of using such language in day to day life. He’s after all a villager from the badlands of UP. In DB, the protagonists are hipsters and the college going crowd might just feel that they are justified in using such language.
In summary, I don’t have any issues if DB becomes a cult film. I do, however, feel a bit uneasy if it becomes a cult film among the youth for the wrong reasons…
July 6, 2011 at 4:22 PM
saket you haven’t read my comment properly.
Of course we don’t have to agree, but I feel very very strongly that Amir has misused his power and popularity here.
Becoming a poor imitation of the western style and not inventing ones own is not really great.
July 6, 2011 at 4:31 PM
But in your case, I only see protests because it’s Aamir. Why don’t you protest the use of cuss words in Ishqiya or Omkara, or even Maqbool? Vishal Bharadwaj even called his film Kaminey!
The point is, it’s not just Aamir who’s done this sort of thing. And only using gaalis won’t make a film hit! People won’t part with a couple of hundred bucks because they get to hear gaalis on screen. The content rules too. Gaalis just form a part of the on screen ‘attitude’. It’s also a tool to make a film more ‘realistic’. To single out Aamir for making cuss words sound cool is wrong. He didn’t write the script anyway! He produced the film. People latched on to it and they have made the film a hit. Aamir would be the culprit if he, like Dada Kondke, made films ONLY like Delhi Belly. But as you’d know quite well yourself, that’s not the case. He just produced Dhobi Ghaat and Peepli Live. Before this there was TZP, JTYJN and Lagaan! So your criticism against Aamir is not valid.
According to all sources, it was Kiran Rao who read the script first and then Aamir went on to produce the movie. So you should be blaming Kiran Rao!
July 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM
>But in your case, I only see protests because it’s Aamir.
That ends the discussion, doesn’t it?
If the filthy gaalis are the same as in other films why is everyone behaving as though it has never happened before.
Perhaps there is an overdose of it?
Perhaps they are filthier than the others?
Perhaps the FOCUS is greater in this case?
Perhaps because it is even SET TO MUSIC?
Perhaps because there is extra explicit sex here?
Or, the other films had more to say.
Well, I’ve just repeated (in different words) what I had already expressed. Means – you have my answer but you keep repeating the same questions.
July 6, 2011 at 5:29 PM
extra explicit sex? What movie did you watch?
July 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM
“why is everyone behaving as though it has never happened before”
I don’t see everyone protesting! A few people, yes, but certainly not everyone. Is Delhi Belly’s sole focus, gaalis and corruption of youth? I can hazard a good guess and say, no. Even without having seen the film. From the trailers, I can make out that the story revolves around three big time losers. Whatever losers do, in my opinion, can’t be cool. But perhaps people won’t see these characters as losers. They might see them as heroes, but then that’s a completely skewed reading.
And even if one were to entertain the thought that Delhi Belly has crossed all ‘limits’ of decency, the question still remains as to who defines those limits? And, to skirt those limits is acceptable, but to cross them is worth condemnation? That doesn’t sound quite right, does it?
Years ago, Basu Chatterjee made a film called Shaukeen, an adult comedy centered around 3 lecherous old men. Delhi Belly is probably a film about their pursuits, when they were younger!
July 6, 2011 at 6:06 PM
saket you are now arguing for the sake of arguing.
Shaukeen, omkara, sathya, kaminey…the list keeps growing.
If you think they are on the same level as DB then OK.
You win.
July 6, 2011 at 10:15 PM
I watched Bhindi Bazaar, It probably has more foul language . But agree that once it is done in a popular movie, it gets attestation for normal use. It is other matter that I have seen kids less than my knee height mouthing worse than this atleast 15 years before.
I know we were not allowed to see certain movies and as mentioned our curiosity level increased for those movies. Now I see them and feel what was the fuss about but then I am thinking from present prism. Probably it was not suitabble at that time. Our sensibilities change over period of time. More likely towards liberal side.
July 6, 2011 at 10:16 PM
how’s Bhindi Bazaar? Have heard good things about it.
July 6, 2011 at 10:57 PM
I liked it. Better than most of the stuff. Acting is good through out.
July 7, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Oldgold the more Aamir films become successful the more funny it is to see your reasoning behind their successes. Keep them up. You’ve come up with plenty of reasons “why” they are successful except the most important one. Audiences like the films!
July 6, 2011 at 2:40 PM
Vatikala, just a question. If a film is not likeable or bad just coz of swearing, what do you have to say about people who swear in their everyday conversations? Lets face it, expletives is what most people use while speaking everyday. the film is just a reflection of what is happening around us.. Okay, the film could be banned, or avoided.. but if you stay in Delhi and people swear around you (the college crowd, the local crowd, the masses), then what’ll you intend to do? get the place banned? shift to a different city?appeal to the Supreme Court?
If bad language and swearing was all it took to make a film unwatchable and ridiculous, the Scorsese’, the Ritchies, the Tarantinos, the Kubricks should have hung their heads in shame, and would be moving out of their homes by putting a cloth over their faces.
Enough of this pseudo-culture. I wonder what culture many talk about in a country that has hypocrisy inundated all over.
July 6, 2011 at 2:56 PM
In their case, they have a mature audience.
In India, we are surrounded by crude youngsters(mostly). there are gentlemanly people also who are helpful and mind their own business.
I have same objection about calling one a Buddha. It is so derogatory. In English language my old man sounds better. Somehow our Indian languages sound terrible when it comes to gaalis. I prefer English language gaalis.
Dont start giving me gaalis in English.
July 6, 2011 at 3:04 PM
Blame it on the tone that Hindi expletives sound worse than English ones for some. But I wouldnt stop from expressing myself as I want to, just coz of fear of some individuals who think it is against our culture (wonder what culture are they talking about here). I’d say to hell with people like these who think that such films are not meant for family audience, a term I find hilarious. what do they mean by it? That guys can watch the movie alone and not let their wives watch it. Lol.. i mean why not.. most of the top Hindi gaalis involve a woman anyway.. lol
July 6, 2011 at 3:17 PM
The one issue I’d have against the use of hindi gaalis (disclosure: I did win a hindi gaali fest during my ragging days in college!), is that a film like Delhi Belly makes their usage ‘cool’. I’m surprised to say this myself, but it’s not cool!
I know people don’t mean it. It’s guys having fun and so on, but at the same time, there’s a point where it becomes a bore. It’s disrespectful to womenkind too. And there are words which tend to increase homophobia in general. In my own case, I’ve gone through those years where every sentence needed at least an expletive or two, but speaking of today, I’d rather forget that such a time existed in my life. Guys don’t need to swear, smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol to feel like a ‘man’. The problem with indiscretions of youth is that in some cases, the indiscretion can be carried forward. That is definitely not a good thing.
July 6, 2011 at 3:31 PM
you have a good point and I agree with you. But my point here was not to patronise the gaalis but defending the film that in a way mocks the same youngsters and masses who use them. and a film that relies on a good storyline instead of versatile abuses needs to be applauded. It’s sad that some people will remember it as the film that introduced potty humor
July 6, 2011 at 10:28 AM
@vati/Alex: concur with you guys on DB.
I just am not interested in BO numbers and carel ess on those counts (hit hua/flop hua…apunko kya, thoda paisa invest kiya tha movie mai), so I had nothing to say. I have been devouring movies/serials in past few days. Watched downton abbey and loved it. watched *new* sherlock holmes (set in todays times) and am in love with benedict (for now lol)…kya acting hai. What great serials. The attention to details in downton abbey is marvelous [there is a scene where *servants* are gossiping behind the mansion and there are fish crates with the name of the company...awesome]!! Didn’t watch anything hindi as was busy taking horse back riding lessons, going to vineyards, harvesting cukes/tomatoes/bringal/herbs and grapes from my personal vineyard/garden and such.
July 6, 2011 at 10:37 AM
Seems away from the madding crowds.
That explaints your absence, dimps.
I am imagining you on horseback, like our Jhansi ki Rani.
July 6, 2011 at 12:10 PM
I personally dont find movies like DB objectionable in the right setting.
Not something you would want to watch with young kids of impressionable age for sure. But, Ihave no moral objections to the kind of language used. However, if some finds it objectionable, wouldnt blame their either. Everybody has a different way of judging things even they have similar values. And , no body can decide for someone else what is right and wrong for them.
If you find it objectionable, vote with your feet and stay away. Perfectly fine.
July 6, 2011 at 3:05 PM
Porn is being played in theatres in India but no one cares as long as you know walking in….Point is, anything can be shown as long as one is not being deceived.
July 6, 2011 at 5:43 PM
The whole point here is that it’s Amir’s film. So while people *may not* walk into theatres showing porn they *will go* in this theatre because it’s an Amir film.
While ‘porn’ will be ‘porn’ for everyone, even those who go, whatever vulgarity is shown here is not vulgar or anything indecent for them, or if it is it’s something to laugh about, feel happy even – ‘oh it’s so normal’ ‘everyone uses it’, ‘it’s the thing’, ‘it’s cool’.
So while the industry has turned women into ‘nothing’ over the years with men dominating, comes along a film by the ‘haloed’ man who thinks it’s ‘youthful’ to degrade women further, while the pipsqueak wife grins away.
July 6, 2011 at 5:58 PM
Only, in this case, it was Aamir’s wife who found the film extremely funny! It’s a properly circulated news story by now that Kiran Rao read the script of DB first and recommended it to Aamir! So it’s a woman who initiated/acted as a catalyst for further “degradation of women.”
July 6, 2011 at 6:10 PM
That’s why I wrote;
>while the pipsqueak wife grins away.
>who initiated/acted as a catalyst for further “degradation of women.”
*clap! clap!* Amir can continue to wear his halo.
So you accept it degrades women?
The point is not as to ‘who’, but ‘it is’.
July 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM
Does DB degrade women? I’d have to watch the film first. Don’t think it goes out of its way to represent females in bad light.
I’ve said that I feel uneasy about the use of expletives in DB, but that’s more because of how people will perceive it. I suspect the film might be celebrated for its vocabulary, which I don’t see as a just cause for celebration. Is it “cool” to use such language? Absolutely not. At least IMO.
The film could still be witty and effective as a madcap, genre-bending caper story, though. That’s not a possibility I wish to rule out.
July 6, 2011 at 6:34 PM
Well we’ve come full circle…so here I go again! LOL!!
The abusive language actually is degrading to women (sisters and mothers)…. and ther’s no need for a renowned production house to glorify it, sing about it, have everyone discuss it as..chalta hai, reality hai, because no one cares for reality, it’s the ‘fun’ involved in hearing it in song, on screen, and with the knowledge of who brought it about.
July 6, 2011 at 6:53 PM
And I concede that the “nature” of the objection is fine. The “subject” of the objection, though, is a familiar one. He doesn’t become another Hugh Hefner by producing Delhi Belly!
Let’s be real. Would you have protested as much had SRK been the producer of DB?
July 6, 2011 at 7:37 PM
>Let’s be real. Would you have protested as much had SRK been the producer of DB?
Have you no other points of argument left?
>The “subject” of the objection, though, is a familiar one.
The subject here is actually what makes matters more sangeen.
The subject is what is making the film popular and taken notice of. Better films than this have gone unnoticed.
The subject has been showered with praise for bringing about great changes due to his and his films influence.
The subject is more powerful than SRK in making effective films (according to those who are now this very minute arguing about the film being harmless, just real, nothing to be concerned about, oh there are many other films like it)
So, yes the subject here makes matters worse.
Any other producer would have had this film come and gone without much notice.
July 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM
PS: It’s also a matter of principles.
July 6, 2011 at 10:09 PM
Oldgold,
Please give it a rest.I admire your relentless energy but it is tiring for the rest.
July 7, 2011 at 6:26 AM
How nice of you to jump in to support saket when he seems not to have any more ideas to support his claim. LOL
BTW you could have said the same to saket who was actually the guilty one of taking the discussion round and round in circles.
July 7, 2011 at 6:32 AM
“Have you no other points of argument left?”
No, in your case, this one line of argument is enough to end the discussion. You have a deep rooted “hatred” that gets the better of your judgment, almost all the times. That’s your prerogative. Mine is to (sometimes) point the obvious agenda.
July 7, 2011 at 6:50 AM
As far as agend goes, I’ve noticed people going overboard in praise of AK to downgrade SRK which is an obvious agenda in itself here.
But as rajen says this is getting tiresone.
So you are now free to have the last word because I’ve ended this discussion and have work to do.
July 6, 2011 at 12:34 PM
BHTB is 1 crore on Tue as per Taran. 1.15 on Mon
July 6, 2011 at 12:51 PM
It’s clearly stable but the things is that the trade started with such a low number on Fri they have to now pretend this is fine on the low side. Again the graph they’re offering on the film doesn’t make any sense. It is true that DB is doing superbly on weekdays and Bbuddah isn’t performing the way it did over the weekend where it was great (though I am told Tue is better than Mon). My own sense is that this is have a 16-20 crore week. Based on my earlier 12-15 crore sense for the weekend (even if one doesn’t go with the 17 crores IBOS have.. based on that number their week 1 would be in the low 20s or something).
On DB as I mentioned yesterday IBOS had 19 crores for the weekend but if one thinks this is too low BOI had 21, Nahata had 23, Taran had 26 or more. So still a great deal of variation. Nonetheless even at the lowest end DB is not likely to have less than 32 crores or so. Again looking all the sources the range would be from 32 to 37 crores. Obviously outstanding any which way. Given the genre and so on.
If you believe the trade BBuddah will end up 15-17 crores lifeline, yes far less than CK even! And only doing half of DMD (taking even the lowest trade numbers on this). I don’t buy that at all. My sense is that with a decent enough second weekend Bbuddah should end up around 30. But won’t do more than this. DB meanwhile even if it has a steeper drop over the second weekend should still end up in the mid-50s range of JTYJN and could well do more if it’s getting a lot of repeats. Here it must be said that the weekdays are excellent and in some ways relatively stronger than even the weekend fri and Sat. Nahata by the way has just 6 crores here for Fri. What this means is that the base has really solidified here and it’s probably getting multiple viewings as well.
But this is why Taran stopped giving those numbers. when we used to run them we would get significant differentials on many totals. Now even when one suspects something’s going on it’s hard to offer precise numbers. Sure one can get hard copies of the journals and do so but there’s a time lag on those and so on.
July 6, 2011 at 1:06 PM
Yes, I agree with the gist of your message but Viacom have themselves confirmed a low total. That’s the perplexing part. And of course, the producer has gone AWOL on this issue as well. Frankly speaking, I’m very very frustrated about this. Isn’t there a way to get through to Abhishek and ask him to at least make a small statement about BHTB’s performance?
July 6, 2011 at 1:41 PM
Saket, In India there is often no way to confirm the truth of certain claims if one is also not willing to be dirty and arbitrarily throw out numbers. Let’s say you and I are partners. we co-produce a film but you also distribute it. You know what you’re getting back. You then have to tell me truthfully. And therein lies the rub. Alternatively you might tell me and I might have reasons for wanting to go along with a lower number. But I have asked Bachchan on the blog to reveal the numbers. It’s a question of being keyed into the right institutional networks. This might seem odd for a Bachchan who’s been at it for so long but remember even at his absolute peak the trade and media were very resistant to him and used to engage in all sorts of absurd writeups much as they would try and downgrade his films, so on and so forth. So he’s always had very uneasy standing with the institutions of the industry. It didn’t matter when he was younger. because if you’re working with Desai or Mehra or whoever they have their networks and they handle the ‘dirtier’ side of the game. When you are yourself producer it becomes a different deal. I say things here, I hint at others but even I don’t say a tenth of just what goes on in the industry.
Either way it’s a whole cesspool and as I’ve said before 90% of all claims in these matters are the stuff of fiction. But yes one way or the other the Bachchans have to create their counter-narrative which goes beyond one film or another.
July 6, 2011 at 3:01 PM
Bingo ! You hit it right on the head. If Junior Bachchan is not coming out with any number then people will believe the trade. I am not sure what’s stopping Abishekh here. If Bbuddah is being misreported by the trade then say it. Also, Viacaom is pretty much confirming the trade’s number. Usually, production house and their partners give the number on the high end.
July 7, 2011 at 7:55 AM
Viacom said 8.5 crores for weekend as opposed to 6 crore by BOI.
So, there is a difference.
July 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM
something off topic, but related to the adult theme of Delly Belly.
Here’s a film I watched on Youtube today, an unreleased film called Urf Professor by a fine film-maker by the name of Pankaj Advani (he died in November last year). Its a good film with some laugh-out loud comic scenes. But thanks to its explicit content and graphic language, it could never see the light of the day (even by today’s Bollywood standards, it was too bold in 2001) and the censor board did not pass it. Its available on youtube. There’s this hilarious (but watch it at your own risk) opening scene; a conversation between a newly-wed couple:
The entire movie can be watched on youtube, in bits n pieces in different parts
July 6, 2011 at 3:22 PM
To elaborate further, James Bond is a cool character, right? Try living his life for a change: sip martinis by the gallon, smoke cigars and get into bed as often as it’s possible. You won’t live past 40! Or if you do, you’d have tubes hanging out of natural as well as man-made crevices in your body.
But hey, Bond is cool!
July 6, 2011 at 3:46 PM
@Tony/Vati: “Enough of this pseudo-culture.”
It is said that movies are reflection of life and there are stranger things in real life compared to movies. However young minds (or I should rather say any mind) are impressionable, in that they do not understnad difference bet. real and reel. if they see their fav. movie star giving choicest galis, then they may think that that is kool or OK thing to do. I have many young girl relatives (growing outside of india) who think that throwing their chest up and down, dhak-dhak-madhuri style is art (and representation of all things indian!!) and perform such dances in weddings and parties (sometimes with proud mothers on the side). So the onus is on parents to put in right *bourgevois values* for the children, which if it entails speaking properly and conveying ideas without cussing, then so be it. I have worked around (young) people at work who cussed day and night (for no reason) and I must say it was quite unnerving…once these *children* grow up they will continue to cuss but only on really frustrating occasion instead of regular mode of communication (what a relief). Life is short. One can spend reading cheap yellow journalism or Shakespeare…the choice is there…free will.
July 6, 2011 at 11:00 PM
I agree about Madhuri’s dhak dhak has made even young toddlers that its okay to do so. These stars make money and go away. But what about these little kids who dance so vulgarly on every other tv show that it has become a turnoff?
We have cinema culture, folk culture, classical culture and our own middleclass mores. Though we enjoy films, film people(especially the ladies) dont get respect from the general public. But now due to media, the public are accepting them with more warmth.
Violent language is also a sort of violence. Its okay if some hald educated uses that language, but if an IIT grad uses it against his wife and children, it is not cool.
Another thing is rave parties which some find cool. It is considered as part of growing up. Are elders responsible for this bordeom, disllusionment and rebellion that is growing among the youth? And ragging is also an offshoot of youth culture trying to assert.
July 6, 2011 at 11:07 PM
half educated
July 6, 2011 at 5:46 PM
Fellini and death of cinema: Satyam, what we have is free will; I disagree with “tyrant spectator”. If a product is being marketed to a consumer and suddenly there is barrage of products, then each product will have to compete and competition is always good. Today there are awesome quality tele-serials ( some I just watched and was completely bowled over) so movies WILL have to do better. Audience will not waste time (money) on poorly written/acted stuff and reject that…that can only be a good thing…the competition, that is! If movie makers are coming up with shoddy products (Fellini included) then I as audience don’t want to get out of my comfortable couch and go out and waste my time/money/energy over a cheap/shoddy product! So to get my money in your pocket, the producer/director/scriptwriter/actor will have to up their ante.
July 6, 2011 at 11:09 PM
Do you watch any hindi soaps? Quite a few used to be good. But now we have assembly line products.
July 6, 2011 at 7:34 PM
YAkuza
Any numbers for tuesday –i heard that it is 1 cr for BHTB…
July 6, 2011 at 10:15 PM
let to believe that Tue was better than Mon though it’s come down after the weekend unlike DB which is going strong. Bbuddah is stable at the lower end. Meanwhile BOI have suddenly stopped reporting on it! They have DB’s Tue but nothing on Bbuddah.
July 6, 2011 at 11:12 PM
Satyam, if all of you pounce and declare that BOI has an agenda, how can you expect them to feed you with their feedback?
July 6, 2011 at 11:25 PM
Good One
July 7, 2011 at 12:05 AM
If we were that successful I’d be very happy!
July 7, 2011 at 1:18 AM
It was a matter of time
http://boxofficeindia.com/boxnewsdetail.php?page=shownews&articleid=3129&nCat=box_office_news
Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap has been steady on the weekdays but collections are low. It has been collecting in that 80-90 lakhs range every day over the weekdays.
Even though collections are the steady the film is not going anywhere theatrically as collections are just too low.
The week is likely end around 9.75 crore nett which is very poor and Murder is taking a lot of its single screens which will make it difficult for Bbuddah Hoga Terra Baap to put up decent second week numbers.
The film is likely to finish its business below the 15 crore nett mark and a 7 crore approx distributor share.
July 6, 2011 at 10:44 PM
Trade Mark
PriyankaPereira Posted online: Thu Jul 07 2011, 02:02 hrs
The first half of 2011 saw lukewarm business for the Hindi film industry; the next six months will decide whether this year is a hit or a flop
With Aamir Khan’s Delhi Belly and Amitabh Bachchan-starrer Bbuddah Hoga Tera Baap raking in excellent weekend collections, the second half of 2011 is off to a flying start. While the industry seems like it is in a formidable position, it is the next six months that will help us decide if the industry is ready for mega-budget projects. “With big films, the stakes are higher, pressure is immense and money is enormous. And with more than Rs 500 crore riding in the market in the second half, this period is crucial,” warns trade analyst Taran Adarsh.
This warning comes after a dismal second half of 2009 and 2010, which saw major films like Raavan, Blue, Khelein Hum Jee Jaan Sey, Guzaarish, London Dreams, Kurbaan and Kambhakt Ishq incur heavy losses and put the industry on the backfoot. The only exceptions were Wanted, 3 Idiots, Golmaal 3 and Dabangg which helped stabilise the situation a bit. With two of these starring Salman Khan in the lead, it is no surprise that his next, My Love Story has fetched the highest ever Indian theatrical price at Rs 75 crore. As rumours suggest, Shah Rukh Khan’s superhero flick, Ra.One is a close contender, as is Don 2. Movies like Singham, Rascals, Force, Rockstar, Mausam, Aarakshan, Ladies v/s Ricky Bahl and Mere Brother Ki Dulhan are other big ticket projects which could make or break the equation in Bollywood. “Big money comes from big films. Hence it is good that 80 percent of the releases in the second half belong to the big league. Small films, even if they do well, cannot change the financial equations in the industry,” says film analyst Komal Nahta.
The second half of 2011 becomes all the more important because the first half didn’t do as well as expected. After the initial phase of average hits such as, No One Killed Jessica, Yamla Pagla Deewana and Tanu Weds Manu, the box office saw a dull period. “The first half was terrible,” says Manoj Desai, exhibitor, G7 multiplex and Maratha Mandir in Mumbai. “Except for Ready and Double Dhamaal that made money, the others failed to make any impact. Besides, sequels hardly make as much money as the original and Double Dhamaal suffered on this account,” says Desai, stating that the makers of Murder 2 may well be in for a rude shock. With the industry big on sequels, Farhan Akhtar’s Don 2 which releases on Christmas Eve is also in the spotlight. “But mine is the first sequel of a remake and it is for the first time that the sequel is about an anti-hero. The novelty factor could work for us,” says Akhtar.
The year will also see as many as three South Indian remakes — Singham , Force and My Love Story, a genre that has so far tasted only success. “These three films could prove crucial as the action genre has become popular recently,” says Adarsh. “But content remains most important when it comes to the bigger picture.” Vipul Shah, producer of Force, seconds that opinion: “The script is, eventually, what drives the entire show. But with big films coming out every week, the advantage is with the filmmakers who have their releases slated for the latter part of the year. Promos of our upcoming films will get more screen space and that could help grab more eyeballs.”
Other wild card factors could affect how films, and the industry as a whole, do in the second half. October will see the release of Sanjay Dutt’s first home production Rascals, which he is sure to promote in a big way. Mausam’s USP will be father-son duo Pankaj and Shahid Kapoor working together for the first time and Rockstar will see the return of heartthrob Ranbir Kapoor who has been missing in action for the last one year. Yashraj Films will have its hopes pinned on Ladies vs Ricky Bahl which will see the comeback of Anushka Sharma and Ranveer Singh, after the sleeper hit Band Baaja Baaraat last year.
But Desai, who has been in the movie exhibition business for almost 35 years, feels all the marketing strategies aside, it is the television promos that will drive the film. “The year has seen inflation reach new heights. So the one thing people are looking to cut down on is entertainment. Viewers usually base their movie-watching decisions on television promos. For instance, most people are expecting Hrithik Roshan to return as an action hero now, but in Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara, he plays a romantic and this isn’t helping in creating a big buzz. Only time will tell if the audience accepts him or not,” he says.
July 6, 2011 at 10:45 PM
July 6, 2011 at 10:47 PM
As I said earlier the media narrative is ahead of the trade one!
July 6, 2011 at 11:39 PM
“Does DB degrade women”
–Certainly not! On the contrary it depicts a woman’s power to keep a man at her toes, be the supreme power in bed and is the root cause of all the rouble that arises ! Lol
July 6, 2011 at 11:40 PM
No vati…nevereva watched any desi serials. I am into history and love watching masterpiece theatre (PBS). What are rave parties (I know I am quite duh right?).
As far as bourgeois mores and values: the bourgeois always have kept the mores in the society and I would like to keep it that way; i would rather my child dance on bharatnatyam over chest thrushing/hip swinging desi hindi songs.
July 7, 2011 at 12:01 AM
“As far as bourgeois mores and values: the bourgeois always have kept the mores in the society”
yes and that unfortunately is the problem!
July 7, 2011 at 12:08 AM
“that unfortunately is the problem”
My lor…to who…
July 7, 2011 at 6:36 AM
Moving on from DB & BHTB, Mani Kaul passed away recently. I don’t see any thread dedicated to him. Some SRK fans should remember him as the guy who directed him in Dostoyevsky’s adaptation of ‘The Idiot’. SRK’s Paheli was also a remake of Kaul’s ‘Duvidha’.
RIP!
July 7, 2011 at 8:38 AM
will put it up.. didn’t know about this actually,..
July 7, 2011 at 8:26 AM
“But as rajen says this is getting tiresone.”
I’f I’d been Alex Adams, I’d have read it as “threesome!”
#Delhi Belly inspired joke
July 7, 2011 at 10:09 AM
LOL!!
July 7, 2011 at 10:23 AM
Lol Saket. 2 funny. This goes on to prove that not just movies, par sangati kaa bhi asar bura hota hai
Sorry Alex don’t mean to be mean to you but trying to prove a point 2 saket.
July 7, 2011 at 9:45 AM
RGV compares Aamir to god!
By: IANS Date: 2011-07-07 Place: New Delhi
Filmmaker Ram Gopal Varma says he might not believe in god, but might soon start believing in actor-producer Aamir Khan! RGV is quite in awe of the star after the success of “Delhi Belly” and the variety that he manages to serve up in his films.
“Never believed in Ram, Jesus or Allah bt cing the variation cmng frm js 1 man frm lagaan 2 Tzp 2 DB I am seriously cnsdrng believing in Aamir,” Varma posted on micro-blogging site Twitter.
The film is minting money at the box office, and has managed to draw a lot of young audience. But Varma is yet to see it.
“Dint c as DB subject is nt 2 my taste bt its super hit status mks me fl lke an insect..so I js wnt 2 crawl undr a rock nd die a quiet death. The way he tuk such a subject matter nd made it a super hit it looks like ppl mt not trust God cmpletley bt they trust Aamir cmpletley,” he added.
Varma is currently in news for his desire to cast controversial Kannada actress Maria Susairaj in a film. The actress convicted of destroying evidence in the 2008 killing of television executive Neeraj Grover. She was awarded a three-year jail term but walked free Saturday as she had already served this as an undertrial.
July 7, 2011 at 9:46 AM
this will warm Oldgold’s heart!
July 7, 2011 at 10:16 AM
Hahahahaha!
Your comment made me laugh. but I’m amazed at the worshipping attitude of people for anyone in power and having success.
Before you bring in SRK I’d like to tell you I came to know him in 2007 and I don’t have any Godmen who I worship.
OK. Back to work.
July 7, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Seems like giving the devil its due.
Reading between the lines, he must have definitely not meant God. It is like devil quoting the scriptures.
Is he still under the rock, or has he crawled out?
July 7, 2011 at 9:52 AM
got this from eslewhere:
[Folks,
Went to see BHTB 2nd time last night. Pune eSquare multiplex. 9:15 show.
Theatre was houseful.
I saw same response as last friday, everyone was cheering and clapping in lots of scenes. The only change in the movie was that Raveena Tandon's song was edited out. The additional sequences (charmi kaur-et-all) did not seem to bother anyone, everyone in the theatre enjoyed each and every moment from Bachchan saab's entry to Hema malini saying Buddha hoga tera baap.
People loved and laughed at each and every dialogue of Bachchan Saab.
Whatever is reviewed or said by Trade pundits, this one has already become a big one. From what I could see and hear pre-and post coming out of the theatre, people really loved the movie !! As they around this side - Fultu Timepass - Fundu movie hain - Bachchan solid hain Boss !!
- Pankaj]
July 7, 2011 at 9:54 AM
and as in the box office story I posted last night from one of the channels everyone has the impression this is a hit. Talked to quite a few people in India who have me the same sense. Qalandar said as much too. The gap is as always because of the inadequate box office reporting.
July 7, 2011 at 10:57 PM
Aamir thanks Akshat, Abhinay for Delhi Belly success
Delhi Belly has rocked the box office and an overwhelmed Aamir Khan, the producer of the adult comedy, gives maximum credit to writer Akshat Verma and director Abhinay Deo for delivering such an entertaining film.
Aamir enjoyed the public reaction in person by sneaking into different theatres in the city.
“Well, I am very happy to see that people are loving this film so much. I am going from theatre to theatre to see public reaction. It’s amazing to see houseful audiences laughing, whistling in the halls,” Aamir told reporters at the success bash here Wednesday night.
“The work that Akshat, Abhinay has done is praise worthy and the actors too pulled off their vision very well. I am thankful to them for giving such a wonderful film,” he added.
If the film is produced by Aamir, the youth-centric bold drama stars his nephew Imran in the lead role along with Vir Das and Kunal Roy Kapoor. Made at a budget of Rs.25 crore the film triumphed in the opening weekend by grossing over Rs.26 crore.
At the bash, Aamir walked up to every table and introduced all crewmembers and thanked them personally for making the film so successful.
Buoyed by the success of Delhi Belly, Aamir now wants to experiment with more unique ideas.
“I have always experiment with films so whenever I venture for films I make sure I don’t repeat myself. Every time I want to challenge myself doing unique films,” said the 46-year-old filmmaker who produced films like Peepli Live, Dhobi Ghat, Taare Zameen Par, Jaane Tu… Ya Jaane Na and Lagaan.
The invitees at the party were friends and families of Aamir as well as the crew members of the film.
Actor Anil Kapoor and screenplay writer Prasoon Joshi were spotted, but they only came to meet Aamir and didn’t interact with the media.
Surprisingly Aamir’s filmmaker wife Kiran Rao was also missing. When asked about her, Aamir said, “She is not in town.”
July 7, 2011 at 11:01 PM
July 7, 2011 at 11:02 PM
Delhi Belly Six Day All India Daily Figures
Thursday 7th July 2011 13.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Delhi Belly is heading for a 36.50 crore nett first week total. The daily collections for the first six days are as follows.
Friday – 6.05 crore nett
Saturday – 7.10 crore nett
Sunday – 8.10 crore nett
Monday – 4.60 crore nett
Tuesday – 4.05 crore nett
Wednesday – 3.50 crore nett
TOTAL – 33.40 crore nett