Antya on Django Unchained
Disclaimer: possible spoilers if it matters to you in a Tarantino film, possible offensive words/epithets because they exist in the movie. I don’t even know, just throwing it out there.

Having been privy to endless discussions about the long masala tradition of our films, especially considering the overwrought analysis of the recent masala revival that has unfortunately plagued the Hindi film industry (unfortunate because most of these are such terrible efforts), it was a little disconcerting to realize that the most outrageously entertaining masala film that I have seen in a very long time was made by a pale goofy dude from Tennesse, USA. Especially since it is also a buddy movie, a revenge fantasy and a Spaghetti Western all rolled into one incongruously over the top, gory package. Not to mention it is a scathing critique of America’s shameful history of slavery, more so than most serious and even well-made films on the subject, not necessarily because it’s a better film, but because it’s the most innovative and unapologetic one.
Whether it’s the consistently wonderful cast of actors who all roll with their crazy director’s vision without reservation, the vibrant visuals, the thumping score, the crackling dialogue, the very obvious themes of the quiet sympathetic protagonist overcoming unimaginable adversities and sadistic villains and emerging successful in an action-packed climax literally riding off, not into the sunset, but into the dark night with his lady love, Tarantino’s latest effort is the best masala film you’ll see this side, or any side, of the Atlantic. Admittedly being a huge B-movie and Western tradition fan, Tarantino tips his hat to all those genres with glee. But here he goes further than he has ever gone before, moving forward on the path he started on with Inglorious Bastards. He uses his signature moves to tell the story of the despair and misery heaped onto an entire people for a long time in unflinching detail. For all the criticism of his films being too violent that Tarantino clearly doesn’t take seriously, he actually lays bare the hypocrisy of the culture that worships guns and idolizes action movie heroes but criticizes a film maker whose sheer brazenness makes it uncomfortable. The shootout sequences are filmed in an almost cartoonish manner with blood oozing out of the bodies in big spurts and they mostly generate laughter (or in one scene, evoke poetry, with cotton buds beautifully splattered with blood). You’ll know when you see the scenes that are really violent, because you will not be laughing. Those will make you squirm, avert your eyes, and feel physically sick. Such as when two black men are beating each other to a pulp in a Mandingo fight to the death, egged on by their white master; or the slave being ripped to shreds by the hunting dogs unleashed by said master when he refuses to fight any more; or the black slave girl punished for daring to try to escape by being thrown into ‘the box’, a grave-like locked pit dug out under the hot sun, which was one of the popular methods for ‘disciplining’ slaves. In fact, the most violent scene in the film doesn’t involve any physical violence at all. It involves a white slave-owner breaking open the carefully preserved skull of a dead slave who served three generations of the family and showing the guests at the dinner table the three dimples in the skull bone that correspond to the area of the brain most closely associated with submissiveness. No sanitized Gone With The Wind this.
Jamie Foxx is well-cast and aptly restrained as a slave Django, who is freed and partnered by a well-spoken but ruthless German dentist turned bounty hunter Dr. Schultz played by Christoph Waltz. Waltz is again brilliant and owns every scene he is in, turning the first hour of the movie into a one man show, right from his first introduction shot hilariously preceded by the shot of the kooky bobbletooth sitting atop his horse-carriage, the infamous tooth later turns out to be the Chekhov’s gun in this morality play. The relationship that develops between the unlikely partners, helped along by Schultz’s off-hand derision for the practice of slavery and the quick-study that his atypical former-slave disciple turns out to be, becomes the driving force behind the revenge fantasy that plays out in the second half when the partners go on a mission to rescue Django’s wife. The funniest sequence you have seen in any recent movie happens on a detour on their journey through a plantation where a bunch of white planation owners and workers set out to kill the black guy and the German ‘slave-lover’ but get distracted when a rolling-in-the-aisles-with-laughter-causing argument breaks out between them about the placement of the holes in their Ku Klux Klan masks, featuring Don Johnson and Jonah Hill in a couple of ticklish little cameos.
Their mission takes them to the plantation of the reptilian slave-owner and trader Calvin Candie, played to the hilt by Leonardo DiCaprio who digs into his role with scenery-chewing relish. He lives in a mansion that’s rich in an obviously vulgar way and is a Francophile who likes to be called Monsieur but doesn’t like to be made uncomfortable by people speaking French in his presence because he doesn’t know the language. I rolled my eyes when Samuel L Jackson appeared in prosthetically aging make-up as a self-loathing house-slave, in a “I cannot believe Tarantino is going to play that tired mammy stereotype” way. But I should have known better, as he turns the tables on the stereotype in the next 15 minutes. He is the most cruel man in this story filled with cruelty and single-minded in his focus on looking out for his master whom he loves more than anything. Jackson’s is the most surprising role and performance and his loyal slave/adoptive father/ relationship with DiCaprio is the most fascinating in a movie filled with complex interplay between characters. It is this relationship that throws a wrench into the rescue mission and eventually leads to the tad too long double-climax, which was my only issue with the movie.
But it is Tarantino’s party and all the other kids invited to his party have to play by his rules, so you can’t really complain that he brings out all his toys and throws them all over the floor right at the end as his personal catharsis, when the rest of the party has been so much fun. I cannot say much more about the social commentary in the film than what everybody has already said better than me. This is probably Tarantino’s most important film till date. But it didn’t really matter to me, as much as the fact that I had a huge grin on my face as I left the theater. And that hasn’t happened since The Artist. Make of that what you will.
January 6, 2013 at 12:13 AM
uh, oh. now i am embarrassed. would have put more thought into this if i knew you’ll make a separate post. thanks anyway satyam.
January 6, 2013 at 12:15 AM
I am glad that Satyam made a separate thread for this. Copy-pasting my comment from the BO one
Wow! What a bloody good note Antya- wish I could write half as well as you or Ami. Precise and yet so much fun (though my only qualm here is that the piece should have been longer).And especially insightful is your note on masala films and Tarantino. A part of my older comment on similar lines (from a piece I wrote sometime back)
“The ‘hero’, essentially in Hindi films of yore, always played according to the ‘rules’. He always followed a certain ‘code of ethics’- so even when he sold his soul to the world, he did so reluctantly. And he always paid a price for it. And he never ‘winked’ at us while performing his heroic tasks. Basically he was not ashamed of wearing his ‘heroism’ on his sleeve. And this very erosion of morality and heroism in the Hindi cinema of today reminded me of the ‘heroic bloodshed’ genre of films from Hong-Kong which can act as a model for Bollywood when they attempt masala films”…
http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/saurabh-on-hong-kong-action-cinema-and-the-masala-hero/
And I also love the way U described the violence here. Another guy who is damn good on this score is Robert Rodriguez- check out his Planet Terror and Machete if you have not yet. And only Tarantino can twist history (like he did in IB, have not yet seen Django) like this and get away with it; just like how a dominatrix would twist a poor sub’s balls
January 6, 2013 at 12:27 AM
thanks saurabh. too kind of you to compare me to ami
i love machete, will try to catch planet terror.
yeah, a little sad that foreign film makers are doing masala better than any indian ones, your observation is spot on. sigh!
January 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM
Wow anya –what a brrrilliant writeup-cheers.
Importantly nice to see (as u mentioned) overcome your bad mood due to the recent Delhi events & managing to finally check it.
And good to see Satyam making a separate post–think your few previous reviews all deserved it
“Especially since it is also a buddy movie, a revenge fantasy and a Spaghetti Western all rolled into one incongruously over the top, gory package. but because it’s the most innovative and unapologetic one.”
Found this most interesting-”Jackson’s is the most surprising role and performance and his loyal slave/adoptive father/ relationship with DiCaprio is the most fascinating in a movie filled with complex interplay between characters”.. That seems to be the point in most writeups.
January 6, 2013 at 1:44 AM
Its uncanny but was watching bits of a rerun of QTs inglorious basterds on telly the same time.
QT does have this tendency of drawing u to his world. Inspite of different settings, think there must be a parallel in the way he treats the slavery issue vis a vis the Jewish /nazi angle.
Landa is an undisputed scene stealer who devours the scenery. In Inglorious b, more so, but i continue to get impressed in the way Melanie Laurents shoshanna stands up to him –the fact that I find her so alluringly attractive helps but can’t deny her talent. How did u think Jamie Todd
fared opposite Leo/waltz given his ‘title role’…a difficult ask indeed.
January 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM
thanks. i thought foxx did very well. the others have more impressive parts but he held it together.
January 6, 2013 at 9:54 AM
ha typo- foxx not ‘todd’
“but he held it together”–thats a gr8 feat imo-didnt expect much from him
Waltz is one of those who chews the scenery -in IB, pitt looked less than a side actor
except ofcourse m laurent–the quiver of the lip & hesitation in the voice matched landas dominant ‘look@me’ brilliance…
to me IB is the best QT film (will hav to check Django unchained to compare the two)–what dya think anya –is this Django even better than IB?
January 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM
IB was an excellent film (probably better cinematically) but somehow i enjoyed DU better. it will take me some time to digest and reflect but i have a strong suspicion this might end up becoming my second favorite tarantino after pulp fiction
January 6, 2013 at 3:09 AM
Impressive take antya. I read in bits n pieces though, precisely because I have been avoiding reading complete write-ups before I manage to watch this film. India’s release date in March 29! (ridiculously long, I know)..
January 6, 2013 at 9:46 AM
that is long, wonder why such a delay in india release. i thought it’s releasing in most of the other parts of world in Jan. i also try not to read too much until i see the film.
January 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM
Great note here Antya!
January 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM
thanks!
January 6, 2013 at 10:08 AM
btw amy–think we all agree that given the revenge/action/buddy/western genre is usually not that popular wid gals, anyas review is remarkable–also her previous ‘action’ pieces were superb…
instead of writing on twilight, ‘chick flicks’…
im impressed!
i bet anya knows taekwondo/karate/kungfu in real life
January 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM
OMG, a *girl* wrote this review? I’m SO impressed that a female person could have come up with this!:-P
Maybe the next Bollywood award show should include an award for ‘Best non-romance review by female critic’ just to encourage all of us saccharine, fluffy women to broaden our cinematic horizons beyond Twilight!
Just kidding Alex.
January 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM
ha! my mind has obviously been corrupted by western culture of violence which is not found in bharat. khaps won’t approve.
January 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM
LOL!
January 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM
haha Amy–agree
“Maybe the next Bollywood award show should include an award for ‘Best non-romance review by female critic’ “–yeah and awarded to Anya –who is quietly soaking up all this praise…
im obviously not questioning the ability/writing skills of females (which is mostly much better) but isnt it difficult to get most gals to see/enjoy some of these action flicks and to come up with an apt reading of this buddy/revenge/western flick is creditable imo..
ps amy–we should interact with anya now–she may soon become ‘famous’ & wont remember us
January 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM
I was joking Alex, I was not trying to seriously criticize your comment, I know what you meant.
January 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM
Probably alex has a personal experience with girls not liking Inglourious Basterds.
Antya, btw how do you compare it with Inglourious — given both these “historical” films are the product of a crazy tarantino mind?
January 6, 2013 at 10:39 AM
ah, alex had the same question, see response above. ib may be a ‘better’ film but du is ‘bolder’ i believe, more courageous and was more fun for me personally. i am still grappling with that question, will take some time to settle. but as i said, this may become my second favorite after pf. we shall see.
January 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM
My bad.. I missed that comment above. so second favorite after PF? what’s your opinion of the Kill Bills? and reservoir dogs and jackie brown and death proof? (If you’ve seen all of them)?
January 6, 2013 at 10:54 AM
i have seen and enjoyed all of them. pf remains etched in my memory as the film that made me do a double take and baffled me, i didn’t know films could be like that. so it will always have a special place. reservoir dogs and jackie brown both deal with morality too in a way only tarantino (and coen b, though stylistically different) films do though they settle somewhere in the middle for me as efforts. liked kill bill films and i think this social commentary/revenge saga mash up started with those films, i love the female protagonist kicking ass too. ib and du have taken the whole deal to a new level and are more important films, not to mention bring together satire and action with social/moral commentary in a way never seen before. i love both films but will have to rewatch and see where the chips fall over time. for now, i thoroughly enjoyed du.
January 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM
My fav Tarantino film would be PF followed by Death Proof, Kill Bill, RD, IB, Jackie Brown and Four Rooms.
And kill me for saying this but I enjoyed Kaante far more than RD (Ajju- “Teri chhamiya ko dekh kar mera baburao bhi naachta hai). Now do not get pisses Tony
January 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM
haven’t seen death proof, time for a tarantino marathon.
January 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM
just realized tony asked about death proof too. haven’t seen that as well as four rooms. what do you think of those movies tony? jan will be tarantino catch up month, also time for a kill bill and ib rewatch. need to fit that in with zero dark thirty and gangster squad.
January 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM
death proof was fun in a bizarre way.. an awkward mashup of b-grade masala and lengthy girl talks. but its my least-liked QT film..
Btw do check out True Romance, from dusk till dawn and natural born killers too if u havent.. these films had screenplays by tarantino. worth ur time definitely!
January 9, 2013 at 10:13 AM
natural born killers is one of my all time favorite films, also like from dusk till dawn a lot. death proof sounds like just the kind of film i love being weirded out by, will catch soon.
January 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM
I like Death Proof a lot but I prefer Rodriguez’ Planet Terror (both part of the double feature Grindhouse. Also try and check out the official ‘fake trailers’ QT and Rodriguez made for those two films, the character of Machete was born out of one of them. The one starring Cage is a hoot). Not a fan of NBK but like True Romance a lot, Kilmer as Elvis is lovely but the film really belongs to Dennis Hopper and Walken (and Pitt nailed the short role of a hilarious drug addict. Oldman is pretty much the show-stealer). Also has a famous Mexican Standoff scene like RD (which itself was borrowed from a Chow Yun Fat starrer and Ringo Lam directed classic City On Fire). Liked Four Rooms as well (saw it on an iPod)
January 6, 2013 at 12:00 PM
du is too fresh for me right now, will let this sit for a bit. would like satyam’s take on this though, in terms of what he thinks of where this falls in tarantino’s fimography
January 6, 2013 at 12:24 PM
http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/django-unchained/#comment-202708
still have to read your note as well as An Jo’s.
January 6, 2013 at 12:33 PM
yes, great points there, made a similar point about kill bill in this discussion here.
as much as i love his earlier work, there was a ‘look at me, i am so cool’ attitude there, which kind of worked well then. but there comes a time when people need to grow up and move forward and tarantino has done that in his more recent films. even when he is doing the ‘cool’ stuff, there is a more self-aware ‘i am so silly’ point to it, which makes his work more endearing now. he has matured, while keeping his signature alive, which is a good balance i think.
January 6, 2013 at 10:38 AM
“Probably alex has a personal experience with girls not liking Inglourious Basterds”–haha–no, the gals in that bunch simply refused to watch it..
Though not exaclty comparable–Have a recent experience of the new agneepath (hritiks)–nearly got molested and beaten up for that choice of film lol
ps–amy likes agneepath though haha
January 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM
Agneepath was bad IMO.. i dnt know how it got nominated for best film in the zee cine awards (they’re a joke anyways)
January 6, 2013 at 10:55 AM
the shots of hr clenching his jaw in the trailer was enough for me to tell whatever i needed to know about that film, wouldn’t touch it with a bargepole.
January 6, 2013 at 10:50 AM
yeah tony the ‘whatever’ awards..dont know who all are nominated..
Didnt like agneepath either-was offensive mostly
except the hand to hand combat btw hr and dutt was a guilty pleasure–besides the ‘twin item nos’ –of kat & pc …
the rest of it was abominable…
ps–btw anya–do u know taekwondo/karate etc–yaiy or naiy…? lol
January 6, 2013 at 11:28 AM
panga mat lo! she’ll come with a kill bill samurai sword..
January 6, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Haha tony–that’s why I was checking!
Don’t wanna get beaten up by kungfu ms anya …lol
January 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM
no need, my patented ‘death glare’ would be sufficient. has served me well in pardes all this time.
January 6, 2013 at 11:32 AM
Antya sorry for hijacking your thread but cannot resist sharing these kickass Kaante lines written by Milap Zhaveri
Bali:kya saboot hai ki hum is bank ko lootnge to police humari maiyya nahin karegi???
Ajju:kyonki bali bhaiya…is bank ki security itni loose hai ki teri maiyya bhi is bank ko loot le
“major : aye baali tu kahaan jaa raha hai
baali : aisi jagah jahaan zinda reh sakoon. Ek aadmi to chaahiye tumhari maiyyat mein aane ke liye”
January 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Actually I agree that kaante> RD
the one liners were good and so was the ‘comaraderie’ btw the male cast…
Anyhow let’s not mob/hijack Anyas thread with this bloke talk …lol
January 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Anya-just last one from kaante
Obviously it’s got nothing to do with malaikas pole dancing skills –but the ‘beat n rhythm’ of this track was good
Enjoy folks
In the name of quentin tarantino-cheers!
January 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM
rofl! if only tarantino had hired zhaveri and sanju baba, we really would have had something on our hands.
January 6, 2013 at 10:37 PM
Ah U had to get in Dutt here. Agar ab “hum bolega to bolegi ki bolta hai” (Pran, Kasauti). But since this is your thread I will let u go scot-free (and then I am scared of your Five-Point Palm Explosion Heart Technique too sister)
January 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM
too much junk building up in this thread. I had to remove some comments.
January 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Great note here,Antya .
Nothing you have said here so far could have prepared one for such a brilliant note.well summed up and very well said.
January 6, 2013 at 2:03 PM
thanks!
hmmm, sounds like i should stop making silly comments with smiley faces
oops!
January 6, 2013 at 2:17 PM
I have always admired QT as a film maker although his politics dont match..but then whose does?..lol..Jamie Foxx never ceases to amaze me…and this is one to add to my Watch This List..
January 6, 2013 at 5:01 PM
“Jamie Foxx never ceases to amaze me”–hmm which way, oops..(b4 some1 attacks me for the ‘well h..g’ angle)
January 6, 2013 at 4:18 PM
Antya, I finally got around to reading this and it’s an outstanding note that perfectly captures the temper and tone of the work. Thanks much!
January 6, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Thanks:)
Are you going to write anything on the film?
January 6, 2013 at 5:38 PM
nothing more left for satyam to write on DU after this review…
It is res ipsa loquitur…..
January 7, 2013 at 11:52 AM
Satyam – Any comments on “Beasts of the Southern Wild”. I saw it but don’t know what to say (embedded symbolism)
Liked the acting and movie has certain pace.
Looper – starts with a good premise but turns into a very average movie.
January 7, 2013 at 6:37 PM
Liked it but didn’t find it extraordinary. To be honest it’s the kind of work I would have liked a lot more on a big screen and I regret missing out on it. Because a lot of it is very sensuously shot. But I find Malick (on a larger scale of course) much more appealing at this sort of narrative (thinking especially of the New World). The idea that one gains transcendence through a hyper-focus on one’s very material (earthy, elemental) surroundings is a juxtaposition better managed by Malick. The latter operates along the entire spectrum of presenting nature in high romantic fashion as a grand awe-inspiring primal force but then also, as a mundane reality which observed microscopically becomes mysterious. Tree of Life contains both these moves. But whether it’s Beasts or some of the Malick films the creation trope becomes all important. To return to any such primeval state of bliss one must first return to ‘boundless’ nature. And then of course whether it’s the ‘Indian’ in New World or the black inhabitants of Beasts you have a creation scene ruled by minorities. But Beasts additionally belongs to the ‘nature-as-dirt’ school. In other words, nature is entrancing and magical in this world to the extent that one focuses on its more ‘decrepit’ aspects. A nature also ‘trammeled-over’ by humans to be sure but it retains a certain beauty. There are some wonderful shots here with the girl looking into the distance and the refineries (and so on) are in view. In some ways all of this is a regression from the Antonioni view. In the latter you have these exquisite shots of depressingly industrial towns and completely functional structures and there is still ‘beauty’ in them. So even after nature has been ‘erased’ if you by human activity something strangely beautiful survives. The Malick view however is a somewhat pseudo-mystical one. Not criticizing it necessarily.
Anyway I’ve probably gone far afield here! Again wish I’d seen it in a theater for its greatest strengths.
January 9, 2013 at 10:19 AM
it is this mystical view in malick’s films which keeps me from feeling involved in his work, may be i am too cynical and world weary. also the reason life of pi is the only recent ang lee work i haven’t even felt remotely interested in checking out. i can catch these films if i come across them on tv etc. but don’t seek them out.
January 15, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Antya, I used to feel the same abt Malick before I saw The New World on Satyam’s recommendation (the only other Malick I have seen is Thin Red Line) which has now become one of my favourite films of the past decade. My older comment on The New World-
“Initially i felt uneasy at the lack of dialogues in the film but then i realised that this is bcos Malick wants to keep things sumwhat mystical and i dare say ‘incomprehensible’ bcos ‘the new world’ itself was mystical and unknown to the British travellers- esp the final moments of film, after Pocahontas takes a fateful ocean journey are spellbinding, most notably in the portrayal of the princess’s death and transfiguration—a shattering five-minute sequence that never fails to move”
Here is Satyam’s fantastic piece on the film-
http://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/the-new-world-and-terence-malicks-liquids/
January 15, 2013 at 3:04 PM
“it is this mystical view in malick’s films which keeps me from feeling involved in his work, may be i am too cynical and world weary”
Hmm anya–after a while, IQ needs to be party converted into EQ to avoid mental /physical apoptosis
Don’t worry–I used to hate Mallick only couple of years ago or so–we all ‘learn’ & more importantly ‘unlearn’
(unlearn as in my case)
January 15, 2013 at 8:28 PM
saurabh, i think you mentioned the new world before, i will check it out before i read satyam’s piece.
as aa said, i need to ‘grow’ and ‘learn’
January 7, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Well said all around Antya. I loved the movie so much I saw it again this past weekend. It’s also easy to miss that beyond the Inglorious-like subversion involving the oppressed attacking their oppressors, Django Unchained’s choice of genre is a great act of cinematic subversion because the Western is really one of the foundational genres of American cinema and has always been a predominantly “white” genre. There have been black characters in Westerns, of course, but really this is a unique film in this sense. Not least because, beyond giving Django easy retribution against whites, Tarantino’s sly and very noble achievement is in highlighting the slave as one of the central players or authors of American history–because every Western movie is in one way or another the story of this country’s founding.
January 7, 2013 at 1:18 PM
It’s a real pity this film isn’t releasing in India until late March!
January 7, 2013 at 12:12 PM
At the risk of being accused of overanalyzing certain choices, on the second viewing I also found Franco Nero’s moment with Jaime Foxx quite interesting. Nero asks Foxx his name and Foxx of course says Django, but then Nero asks him to spell it, and Foxx does so, with the little joke about the D being silent (which is of course repeated later when one “hillbilly” henchman calls to him, exclaiming, “Dah-Jango!”). Now this Nero moment is of course a throwaway bit and meant to be a wink to the first Django. But partly because of Foxx’ slyly derisive expression and intonation, and partly because we just saw Nero as a Mandingo enthusiast, the moment offers itself up to be read as something more than just this sort of inside joke. One could almost see this as Nero’s character testing a free black man’s literacy. This of course may not have been Tarantino’s intention but he populates his movie with so many memorable characters in so many wrenching and complicated situations that the film really invites these kinds of readings and associations. It’s just very rich.
January 7, 2013 at 2:18 PM
great observations! i don’t think you are overanalyzing at all. the central black characters are not ‘typical’ at all in any sense or not presented in ‘expected’ ways. while django is fast, clever and appears more than your average slave even in the begnning, broomhilda is named after a german princess, raised to be knowledgeable and sophisticated in a certain way and speaks german, which the idiots in candieland see as a ‘novelty’ but schultz treats her with dignity and respect.
January 7, 2013 at 2:23 PM
and i don’t mean typical by my expectations, but those of the time and the people around them, to be clear.
January 7, 2013 at 3:24 PM
A very informative note by GF and great discussions between him and Antya. Thanks guys, learned quite a few things abt Tarantino from this entire exchange (and that is precisely why I say that Satyam, GF and others should do these pieces more often)
January 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM
fine comment..
January 7, 2013 at 1:45 PM
On an aside, I thought that Kerry Washington looked gorgeous at the Django premiere:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/actress-kerry-washington-arrives-at-the-premiere-of-the-news-photo/158959900
January 7, 2013 at 1:58 PM
She also looked gorgeous in the film. Unfortunately the film doesn’t do much with her Penelope-like character. I didn’t find this to be a real problem but it has been a point of criticism I’ve seen pop up here and there.
January 7, 2013 at 2:10 PM
i find her gorgeous
January 7, 2013 at 2:22 PM
yes, she is stunning.
January 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM
“yes, she is stunning”
January 7, 2013 at 9:12 PM
“yes, she is stunning”
Gud nite …
January 8, 2013 at 3:00 AM
Oops duplicate comment..
Ok, so Kerry is v photogenic & also talented..
But whenever someone starts calling her Halle berry, many feel Paula Patton is the more apt comparison first. Will hav to check du 2comment -what Dya feel folks
Something hott bout these dusky gals
Btw Kerry has had landmark cosmetic surgery apparently starting from the lip collagen-anecdotally
Now4wrk…
January 7, 2013 at 2:20 PM
yes, she is the driving force of the ‘mission’ but presented less as a character and person and more as a ‘concept’t – the concept of freedom, something worth dying for. seemed like a deliberate choice, i didn’t have issues with it either.
January 14, 2013 at 2:18 PM
spectacular piece antya. you very well summed up the movie, and that part about the hypocrisy of the action hero-worshipping world was bang-on.
I loved the film, right up there among my most favourite Tarantinos. still cant get enough of it.
January 14, 2013 at 6:51 PM
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the film so much! Gotta love torrents
And you can rewatch when it releases on the big screen
January 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM
have already watched it twice. and yes wont miss it on the big screen at any cost
January 15, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Michael Wood strikes some important dissenting notes:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n02/michael-wood/at-the-movies
January 15, 2013 at 2:16 PM
These is an interesting piece and does a great job of touching on what makes all of this pretty complicated. I will say I don’t agree that the film derails once it moves from the West to the South. The first half, which moves Django from slave to bounty hunter, contains the most fabular moments in the movie–meaning these acts represent a greater fantasy than anything else Tarantino gives us. What happens once we’re in Mississippi is to my mind the fantasy of the first half touching on the brutal historical reality of the day. And Wood is right to the extent that this collision is uneasy, but I found it entirely in keeping with what was setup here. Django’s story in the first half of the film is very close to a Cinderella story in its tale of an oppressed figure transformed and triumphantly freed from his situation. Of course this Cinderella template is grafted onto an all-too-real history. In this sense Tarantino’s more direct reference to another fable–when Waltz suggests that he feels he must aid Django because his compatriots’ Broomhilde fable demands it of him–is a kind of meta-move that acknowledges and even telegraphs his film’s overall objective in trying to get at something very real, very true, but by using a fable as a roadmap. The basic idea, for better or worse, might be that real historical change is the stuff of dreams and fantasy.
January 15, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Most probab goin this wkend–gallery!
D is silent
But not the payback !
January 15, 2013 at 3:07 PM
I do agree with you GF however, I think what wood here is referring to is that the first half was somewhat made like a Leone affair, where the second half shifts gears in brings the film to Tarintino style of filmmaking (which is not a bad thing), It’s just moves away from the narrative that it had started on and the shift might not be too easy to fathom for common viewing audiences. (I think hehe)
January 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM
“might not be too easy to fathom for common viewing audiences. (I think hehe)”
I have not seen DU but I would disagree on the above bit. I think Tarantino’s biggest strength (like Manmohan Desai) is that his films, while having numerous sub-texts, always end up reaching to the lowest denominator (just like Bard’s plays). I mean many today call Desai the great exponent of Masala (rightly or wrongly) for the simple reason because his Masala was the most ‘far reaching’ one
January 15, 2013 at 7:35 PM
great set of points and mostly agreed..
January 15, 2013 at 8:24 PM
that’s a great comment gf, completely on target. especially your point about the fable-like first half and then the stark reality. exactly what i thought, very clearly highlighted by django’s ‘visions’ of his wife. He can’t wait to see her and is remembering her as this beautiful, joyous creature, she is even filmed in soft-focus lens here (it also made me smile as it reminded me of the 60′s trope of hero seeing the heroine everywhere. only in a tarantino film!). but the reality of him laying her eyes on her again for the first time is very different and very cruel).
only the last 25 minutes or so felt a little tacked on and i felt that part could have used some editing.
also agree with saurabh’s comment of tarantino’s films being very much accessible ‘masala’ at their core.
January 18, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Was planning to but just missed tonites show of DU…
Argh stuck with files of work to burn midnite oil with !!
Anyhow there shall be a payback soon
And it won’t be silent
January 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM
@anya–revisited bits of pulp fiction–liked it even more this time..
Tarantino in top form—
btw always liked thurmans Mia turn
esp the bit bout ‘comfortable silences’
January 20, 2013 at 2:00 AM
“uncomfortable silences” actually.
Mia Wallace was a tempress
January 20, 2013 at 12:44 PM
TARANTINOS HEROINES
Haha tony-it was a deliberate twist –’comfortable’ silences to aim for –as in Mia’s ace dialogues/yearning…
Btw didn’t like the way Tarantino spoilt it by the ‘nose bleed’ etc–c’mon spare her the blood n gore…lol
Well, Mia Wallace & shoshanna Dreyfuss –got infatuated with them & still do off n on!
surprisingly it’s not the Megan fox and Rosie Huntington Whitley that allure me beyond a point–it’s more often the likes of …thurman & Laurent.
Everything has been said here bout Tarantino but I think credit hasn’t been given where due over his depiction of his heroines.
They are flesh n blood characters who can be villainous whacky smart. He invests a certain independence, intelligence & nuance to those heroines that are a culmination of sorts of masculinity & feminism
Will have to revisit death proof’s ‘ final girls’ but did find their depiction (more than) interesting. Uma thurman in pulp fiction was not only a temptress but much more.
In kill bill & inglorious basterds, the exploitation & sexualisation of the heroine only serves as a counter/contrast to highlight those issues. Even the ‘scared’ shoshanna runs away to seek revenge!
January 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Just to add, I have nothin against megan fox though…She has her roles/ scope! Infact i liked her..
Ok, some update for megan fans…
(can anyone say she is a new mum)
WARNING–viewer discretion advised
NOT for minors/prudes/easily offended—
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4752936/megan-fox-has-her-boobs-groped-in-this-is-40.html
ps–satyam, big bro is watching u lol
January 20, 2013 at 2:03 AM
better watch DU soon alex.. after all, u’re the DiCaprio here !
January 20, 2013 at 12:51 PM
Hehe thanx for that comparison-good to be playing an ultra negative turn as well…
That reminds me actually—of my H where some folks here were sent to –will probably get that functional
As for seeing DU–ive been snowed under literally/metaphorically. Not really gettin a chance. Also don’t wanna see it with those who squirm/cringe with bloody violence–may hav to catch some docile japs lol
February 3, 2013 at 2:16 PM
@ anya– “bulk” fiction
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/4755727/Quentin-Tarantino-on-holiday-in-Mexico.html
Look @ what tarantino has bought for himself—a bikini clad spiderbaby lol
February 8, 2013 at 10:10 PM
“Tarantino unchained”-of ketchup spurts & ‘spaghetti’ violent porn!
In a key climactic moment, Waltz (playing the German dentist cum bounty hunter Schultz) just refuses to shake hands with the ironically most ‘alive’ (delectably played but villianous) Candie played by the irrepressible Leonardo da caprio. Instead in a sudden departure from his ‘civilised’ demeanour who normally respects decorum, he ends up shooting Candy right in the heart of his candy land (infact in his own home!). Well, what Schulz says was the summary of Tarantinos intentions and compulsions here–”I coudnt resist it!”
The human bodies seem like bags full of tomato ketchup waiting to explode & the corpses seem to be on their own numbers building game. Tarantino shows his trademark witty dialogue and it forms the raw material for some interesting interaction between Schulz and Candie and some other (side) roles. The quiet Jamie Foxx playing the title role (with ‘d’ silent) gives a restrained performance and remains a spectator in lots of the film. No wonder that with the demise of these two standout actors, suddenly the film dipped.
The psyche of Foxx & candie should also red he spoilt
Kerry Washington playing Djangos wife who has been enslaved by Candie is apt for the part. However her role, is clearly a climb down from his previous ‘flesh n blood’ alluring and nuanced shoshanna Dreyfuss & Mia Wallace!
Samuel Jackson is good in the part wherein the old time slave has accepted and internalised slavery to such a greater extent than the perpetrators and has become more ‘royal’ than the royals!
Landa was better than Schulz, to me.
Tarantino basically seems to enjoy the gory and brazen bold-letting and needs a valid excuse to project it. Even the so-called ‘sex scenes’ end on some violent porn element.
He has a strong ear for good music. Violence that’s funny and serious even outrageously staged dilutes each other. And cancels each other. There is a sense of dilution or tolerance to gory violence that makes it more ‘acceptable’. So this flipflop of tone and flavor does add an edge to the exploitation theme proceedings but inevitably is eventually loose some impact and seriousness.
So it is neither completely cartoonish nor a spoof whilst not being a serious historical serious piece either! Talking of history, Tarantino isn’t really bothered bout that either. Sometimes you even wonder if the reason his lead actors suffer in extremes, is to make him go haywire with his violent porn tendencies and still feel ‘justified’.
This seems now a somewhat fast n loose companion piece to ‘Lincoln’ on the same subject. Even in their careers and styles, Tarantino and Spielberg are as similar yet so different to each other!
What I mean can also be gauged from the way Spielberg dealt with Schindlers list !
Don’t get me wrong–I enjoyed it a lot and agree to all of Anyas points about ‘masala’ and the ‘enjoyability’ factor. Tarantino also shoves certain elements down our throats in a highly accessible format but leaves out certain other important aspects untouched. What he leaved out is more important and illustrates Tarantino-esque style in full glory!
Having said that, in its current form, it seems to have more than satisfied his vocal patrons & supporters. So yeah, there is enough inventiveness, tongue in cheek subversion and humour mixed with grim vibe, one does miss some gravitas, substance and true emotional connect which would have really elevated this work further. So while Foxx continues to get flashes or hallucinations of his ‘ravishing’ (overpraised) wife Kerry playing a supremely unidimensional character, this relationship is not developed any further beyond the primitive yearnings. Tarantino remains a young boy at heart who is bending genres and subjects to fit in his vision of the ‘history of cinema’ and his favorite violent blaxploitation revenge violent drama.
One of the low points (obviously not pointed out by the worshipping cohorts) was tarantinos own dodgy ‘cameo’ that also signals the weakening of the film towards the end wherein it starts to lose focus and perspective. How the hell does this ‘cowboy’ speak in South African part Australian accent was obviously not that important when other ‘liberties’ were taken.
Also this needed some trimming toward the end. Heard from a coviewer that QTs editor died recently-it showed.
And what the hell was boomhilda doing roaming around in Candies mansion all this while? Though she was trained as a ‘comfort girl’? Obviously these are details he is clearly not interested in –also there’s a discomfort inact aversion to certain sexual/intimacy angles but not in explicitness leading towards gory violence/torture
When will u grow up tarantino?–well we accept u as u are really but still..
Again, this is just to add a counterpoint to the exquisite praise this had already generated here. Also a tribute to anya who seems to be the only ‘girl’ (if she is one) to have really loved it so much. But she is consistent in her stance, while some here aren’t! Just because an x or y has taken the pain to make/act in a movie, means every ‘sin’ needs to be defended.
The ‘relish’ and the lingering gaze of the camera in certain brazen moments does make one wonder–
should tarantino himself not be chained??
February 9, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Addendum to “Tarantino unchained” from above–
My (new) objections to Tarantino -an afterthought!
Must say that even QTs flawed and perverted piece of work Django unchained has made me ‘grow’ and have actually learnt something from it–though in the form of objections.
Most characters except Leo are barely more than unidimensional which is a departure from the nuances of even IB. The relationship between foxx and Waltz is handled the best followed by waltz and Leo. WHat should have formed the crux ie kerry & FOxx is the weakest one.
We have Foxx’s schoolboyish ‘objections’ to Leo ‘handling’ Kerry whilst one can imagine what all & more had been happening before that in the comfort girl training etc. Theire interactions also were as amatuerish as one would expect a distracted QT to delve in.Distracted since his real urges and passion lie eslewhere
Violence and cruelty involuntary elicits (or shoudl elicit!) repulsion, discomfiture as a reflex. As an aafterthought, the QT type gore dumbs down this reflex, infact habituates one to it thereby developing more ‘tolerance’ to it.
Note that i dont say that for many other mainstrream action films. But its the ‘gaze’ and intent thats different here. QT first shows extreme hardship of the protagonist in all his films, creates a case for extreme retribution and then goes for i fullblown!
Subversion is an art form and a uniqye qulaity but atleast for certain key areas and in mainstream setup certain restraint is needed ! QT takes the viewer along his torture/rape/ mutilation/ cruelty ‘QTfests’ and subverts it so cunningly that even the most intelligent play into his hands—they start feeling good about that, infact enjoying even laughing at this simuated rape/ debuchery and cruelty!
Im the LAST person to feel that action films shouldnt show these elements or that they HAVE to show ‘good triumphing over evil’ and all that cliche! But alteast it shouldnt corrode/ dilute that ‘moral human’ fragment.
In a way, QTs films are worse than sadistic. The latter are by deifnition ‘sadists’ since they understand the impact of pain, hence ‘enjoy it!’ QT takes pain or suffering too lightly aka trivialises it! His ‘vision’ inspite of everything else going for it, in a way becomes ‘bancrupt’ and devoid of depth and gravitas.
ONe of my buddies brought in her younger sister who has barely passed her teens and hence eligbile for this 18plus film. Could sense her obvious discomfiture at this one–made me rethink. Is this really worth this crap!
Whats a bigger tragedy is that certain ‘intellectuals’ are the first ones to be taken in this involuntary manipulatory moral numbing exercise! Since they are the ones most likely to sign in certain names without questioning in a slave-like subervient obedience!
That none of them could see any of the other flaws (other than gory mindless violent orgies) is beyond belief!
I heard an interview somewhere about QT that as a teenager he worked in a movie store!
Trivialising human life and suffering like this is not illegal and nor is making it into a USP or a punch-line–though I have issues wiht that being done in mainstream setup for mass consumption and all this in the guise of superior entertainment for (pseudointellectuals).
Perhaps QT shoul understand that theres a difference betwwen real life, real humans and movie DVDs he had drowned himself and stay marinated in for too long!
AA
February 10, 2013 at 11:23 AM
you sound like you went to see a tarantino movie, not expecting to see a tarantino movie. because if tarantino did things the way you want him to, he wouldn’t be tarantino any more. he’d be a poor man’s spielberg.
February 10, 2013 at 11:45 AM
yeah thats a good point anya and thats exactly ‘tarantino-esque’ is now literally used as a style of film making. But somehow I couldnt help notice the sheer overt and senselessness of some of the extreme violence he shows–it bordered on perversion
U remember the scene where Leo sits on the sofa admiring the balck guys mandingo-fighting–firstly there no real documentation of such fights in history really.. it all seems an excuse for QT to dwell on his fetishes
and being an adept story teller, he also uses subversion adeptly, so before even sensible people know, he takes them along to enjoy this blood-/gore fest
I saw QT himself (not leo) sitting on that sofa–he seemed to be living his wetdream and he bought the attention of all his patrons using his exquoisite film making skills
WHilst many dont seem to mind it, i wondered for the first time whether i should allow this numbing or ‘desensitisation’ towards violence and tortrue/rape etc –it cant be good
tanrantino or no tarantino –isnt it–what dya feel..
even otherwise–how do u compare the depth and graph (if any) of say kerrys role compared to say mia wallace or shosanna dreyfuss–all she did was get locked up in a tank and getting dragged nude and getting groped etc—no big deal really
Just bcos its made by tarantino wont make me digest it
one of my buddies brought in a younger sister just out of teens–she kept squirming and being uncomfortable/fidegty at this brutality next to us–
wondered– is it really worth it….
February 10, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Alex, I think Tarantino has made his point. You were not able to absorb the violence he depicts. It disturbed you, even repelled you. So even though you’re accusing Tarantino of simply being irresponsible with his decisions and being in a sense ‘pornographic’ about violence notice that most other films with far greater dozes of violence actually wouldn’t have this kind of impact on you. The violence in Django cannot really be ‘enjoyed’ in the sense it can be or is meant to be in so many other violent films.
February 16, 2013 at 2:34 PM
“The violence in Django cannot really be ‘enjoyed’ in the sense it can be or is meant to be in so many other violent films.”-
Now this might be true for Django (have not seen the film but assuming from Antya’s piece and your comment) and was of course true for Basterds but this is certainly not true for every Tarantino film. Infact the violence in Reservoir Dogs (the ear-slicing for example…there are others too) is not at all contextualised and is definitely there as a part of torture-porn. Same is the case with Pulp Fiction. Now I don’t have a problem with violence and bloodletting on screen but that’s another matter. And let’s not forget that Tarantino is a self-confessed unabashed fan of torture-porn’. He is also the producer of the infamous Hostel series of films where violence is there ‘only’ as a form of titillation (I am quite a fan of this genre though)
February 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Folks–That’s the point I was making earlier about violence and ‘violent porn’ in my comment above and below folks —
But then I got ‘busy’ with other stuff and couldn’t answer in detail!
Also I don’t want to argue against Anyas point, in general
As for Satyam–he makes some good points and though he is /may not be a pervert in this sense-there are some who are!!
There’s NO doubt that QT enjoys and finds titillation in ‘exhibiting’ these disturbing images and ‘getting away with it’
Also the other day–I tea about folks complaining about poor kashyaps much LESSER sins both in terms of violence or abusive lingo!!
Just bcos some feel obliged to praise/defend as a default (QT here) doesn’t alter reality …
Ps: having said that I have watched django second time (though only first half) this time with some japs!
Interestingly the v calm serene japs( even girls) took that violence quite sportingly
Japan remains a highly perverted culture as well. The girls are docile, quiet, even subservient –but they are aware of/used to some highly perverted stuff as well hahaha (as I realise)
February 16, 2013 at 6:38 PM
i see your point, but i am not making an observation about tarantino in general or his intentions. just about this film and my understanding of the context as a viewer. the violence in rd or pf is more about ‘style’ & ‘flourish’ i agree, but that doesn’t hold true for ib or du or even the kb movies. so there is no ‘trivializing’ here in that sense. and that’s what matters. he treats the violence in these films differently (rightly so i believe), the way he wants them to and we consume it the way we can, based on our own inner world and life experiences. so i don’t see a problem here.
there is a reason the hostel movies have a devoted audience, people obviously don’t have a problem ‘enjoying’ torture porn but are the first to weigh in when something like du is involved, which is also a point i made earlier. i for one have never watched any of those movies simply because i am not the audience for it. even though i don’t have a problem with violence, context is important for me. and as for others not absorbing it the same way that aa is worried about, that’s hardly a comment on the film itself.
February 16, 2013 at 6:56 PM
@anya–u have 7KM aka “saat khoon maaf”—
Tarantino or no Tarantino haha
Ps: nice gravatar: surprisingly I was about to request u to change that ‘poodle’ one –it’s uncanny u changed it yourselves
March 15, 2013 at 4:08 PM
Finally saw this last night and enjoyed it immensely. And while I will still have The Grey as my favourite from last year (have not seen most of the Oscar nominations though) this, alongwith Lee Daniel’s criminally misunderstood ‘The Paperboy’ (infact while we were discussing De Palma, when I mentioned his Snake Eyes I was suddenly reminded of The Paperboy. Will try and blabber on on the 2 films if I manage to expand on my meandering thoughts. Need to learn from you folks) entertained me the most. And probably the best film I have seen on slavery after Von Trier’s ‘Manderlay’. I wanted to put up my own thoughts on it after watching it but after reading your piece the 2nd time around I realised that you have covered all possible bases here so there is nothing to add. Yours is the definitive piece on the film not only because of the content but also due to the tone befitting that of the film.One of my fav passages from this review-
“For all the criticism of his films being too violent that Tarantino clearly doesn’t take seriously, he actually lays bare the hypocrisy of the culture that worships guns and idolizes action movie heroes but criticizes a film maker whose sheer brazenness makes it uncomfortable.”
And while everyone is fantastic I thought the film belonged to Jackson. Kudos to Tarantino for creating such an audacious character. But yes this film played like something even meaner than nicotine- a horribly funny ‘comic-book nightmare’ of sorts. And while I am not a fan of Basterds with this film Tarantino has returned to form big time and has proven once and for all that he is pretty much a master of narcotic euphoria in cinema.
BTW I know I am committing blasphemy here but I prefer Rodriguez’s best work (Sin City) to Tarantino’s best (PF/DU). Of course not at all saying that the former is even in the same league as that of the latter but that one work (not to forget that it was co-directed by Miller) is to my mind the greatest comic book adaptation ever
March 15, 2013 at 5:29 PM
glad you liked it so much saurabh. love your ‘comic book nightmare’ comment. and sin city is fantastic, certainly the best comic book adaptation.
haven’t seen paperboy, don’t care for snake eyes. just to keep things balanced. if we agree too much, it will be apocalypse now
February 10, 2013 at 4:02 PM
@ Satyam–u make a sensible point and i can see where YOU are coming from but i dont believe thats how atleast some of tarantinos fans perceive it as!
There ARE folks who derive vicarious pleasure of different sorts from this sort of FILTHY violence!
and im NOT squeamish at all
Now —
Why must we actually see a man being ripped by vicious dogs in detail? What you don’t see is often more powerful and dignified than showing the gory details. This movie tries to stylize violence, invites the viewer to be entertained and titillated it.
There are perverts of all types out there and i am convinced tarantino is one helluva pervert. He sets the scene wherein it seems the logical thing to do and the many obscene ways he goes about doing it range from inventive to damn vulgar!
The other day I was surprised at that delhi incident wherein a perverted ‘kid’ inserted a whole iron rod into that girl ! Everyone seemed shocked including me but these things are ‘drilled’ into slowly
“tolerance” develops, then a taste …
Plus there are rports of some accessing rape porn/mutilaion porn of all types. Now what tarantino is selling on a mass scale isnt any more less serious..
the fact that QT& his likes has succeeded in numbing down an entire generation of movie goers who now think its some sorta ‘cool thing’ to view this thing and make it seem like some sort of high art IS the real issue!!
and its suprising that i am taking this stance but yeah—thats the fact
some of those into this sort of QT drivel are those who may ultimately go into this iron rod insertion fantasy trips –though there maybe different scales and degrees of this malaise, there is something sick about t!
and its different with the arnie/stallone type of violence –this QT violence is sicko wierdo in a different sort of way…
Also plz read my complete posts above to get the correct perspective –how the viewer is taken in by this semi spoofish semi cartoonish seriocomic stylised brutal violence and in a way effectively numbing down the reflex replusion
and slowly one becomes a QT-certified freak–who can ‘enjoy’ or atleast be neutral to what SHOULD elicit outrage!
The question is –WHY?
i didnt have that much of an issue with inglorious basterds but somehow here his ‘gaze’ and twistedness came out in the open!
The fact that this comes from Quentin Tarantino–i care two hoots about it!!!
To me the guys a f..kin pervert laden with cinematic license, talent with the camera and a lifetime of marinating in cinematic licenses!
as questioned at the end of my piece—
Its quentin tarantino that needs to be CHAINED !
I also felt a bit responsible for getting some v tender viewers to see DU who got quite uncomfrtable–i personally dont have issues either ways
ps2–i can bet- the guys who were responsible for that delhi rape( which was discussed at length here) were either the ones who were accessing all this violent/rape porn on the internet or are the ones who are more severe/advanced cases of tanratino-esque mind set of a more overt denomination!
I have no plans or need or compulsion to glorify or defend QT just bcos he is QT–i will leave that for the army of default autobots here (with all due respect)
ps3–this doesnt take away from the fact that it was a brilliantly presented film and music was used beautifully
I have also enlisted many other things i loved
BUt i wont take this “intended to disturb since he had to portray slavery” crap!
February 10, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Tarantino has been susceptible to this charge in the past but I don’t agree that it applies to Django in the same way. Obviously he runs a certain risk as does any filmmaker who adopts such choices but the contexts here make everything different. The same violence that might be consumed ‘pornographically’ in a different context is suddenly ‘received’ very differently by an audience when the subject involves slavery. Here it is not easy to ‘enjoy’ the violence in the same. I found the scene you’re referring to (the fight DiCaprio arranges) very difficult to watch. But even if one otherwise does not mind this sort of thing it is hard to explore the slavery aspect. It is nonetheless a risk so I’m not saying it absolutely cannot be taken any other way. My point just is that the serious contexts here ground these choices very differently than would be the case elsewhere. Much as there is at the beginning a hilarious Klan scene that makes them appear completely ridiculous. Now one could level the charge that the Klan and its politics is too serious, too dark a chapter to be treated this way. And I understand this. But there is an other side to the story which is hard to find in most normal orgies of cinematic violence.
In many ways some of what happens in Django tonally is akin to Fellini’s Amarcord where again he’s dealing with something as serious as Fascism but he grounds it in this provincial setup populated by the most petty bourgeois types and so forth. Fellini believed that there was a certain idiocy and stupidity to this class that essentially enabled fascism. Perhaps this is a reductive explanation but it is hardly that he considered Mussolini some kind of joke!
In Swift’s Modest Proposal a scenario is presented about how eating an Irish child of a certain very young age is very desirable for the flavor and so on. An entire essay comes about on this subject. Swift is of course commenting on the Irish situation and its exploitation by the English but for many this was simply too macabre. This is not too different from Tarantino’s designs in Django. Some for example criticized him for not showing more violence and sexual abuse of women. Again a valid point but this too ignores how ‘expected’ archives of violence often make less of an impact. The scene you refer to is the plantation version of the WWF! Without the fake staging of course! Everyone can relate to it. This is not what one expects to see connected with this subject.
So ultimately I think contexts make all the difference. I do see why people would nonetheless rebel against these choices (as viewers). All I’m suggesting is that this is nonetheless a valid tradition of critique.
February 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM
agree on all counts. the guy can never win. too much violence! not enough violence!
it’s amazing that he gets scrutinized in the same industry where nobody bats an eye at jack reacher type of violence (keeping aside the fact that reacher is a mostly ignored film)
February 10, 2013 at 6:05 PM
problem is not in the position of folks like you or anya….
But of QTs own intentions here & the way it is perceive/enjoyed by some of his fans!
will explain it in detail soon–need to catch some work now ..cheers
February 16, 2013 at 7:12 PM
@ Satyam– yeah çouldnt elaborate then but lemme try…
What’s the difference between ‘healthy sex’ & ‘perversion’– we are not talking about bestiality or some such sicko stuff but various other permutations of ‘lesser deviations’.
Similarly, the ‘extreme violence in many other films’ u mentioned all have a certain ‘flavour’–it’s difficult to explain
But the difference with QT is his ‘intent’ & ‘gaze’
One can actually read his mind after a while where the ‘centrepiece’ changes and inevitably culminates in a ‘blood bath’ or some ‘brazen blood letting violent fest!’
When he could very well have just shook hands and moved off, besides making the movie more ‘eventful’
There WAS a reason waltz said after killing Leo –” I couldn’t resist it” !!
Ps: it was actually QT who couldn’t resist it –since THAT is his ‘climax’, his ‘orgasm’!!
Dual scenes
Having said that–
I will ask folks a counter question–
Why did waltz HAVE to kill Leo?
Do u think Leo genuinely wanted to just shake his hands?
Or were leo/his henchmen planning to kill waltz anyways before he took away Kerrie?
Scenario 2
There are mentions of this ‘father son’ deal of Samuel Jackson-Leo relationship …
Why cant they be gay?lol
What was the gayish furniture mantle in the Mandingo fight area about ?
February 16, 2013 at 7:49 PM
“What’s the difference between ‘healthy sex’ & ‘perversion’”
Actually your question could be better framed as ‘what’s the difference between having sex with your wife and someone who’s not your wife’?
My answer: contexts!
Your answer: no difference because the act is the same in each case.
I will allow myself a certain observation here. When you say ‘healthy sex’ and then ‘perversion’ there is a certain redundancy. Because I think for you ‘perversion’ is indeed the norm. In other words there is for you no definition of sex and sexuality not already stained by perversion. Your real fascination is with the latter, not the former (!). Every conversation you indulge in almost always has ‘sexual perversion’ as its ultimate referent. Now one doesn’t need to be a psychoanalyst to understand this. Every other comment of yours offers testimony in this regard!
This is again why ‘contexts’ matter and why one must be careful with one’s words. Language reveals far more than one might think…
February 16, 2013 at 8:01 PM
“Your answer: no difference because the act is the same in each case.”– you are assuming my answer.
As for ‘ones own wife’ or not–what if there’s no wife ?
Anyhow-even if one assumes I’m perverted–a pervert can sense another one better –and hence the QT ‘diagnosis’.
U may /may not agree with the QT diagnosis but there’s no need to be so ‘indignant’ about what’s being said about QT (& not to u!)
Anyhow, may continue this later–need2 catch up some work..cheers