ROONEY’S STORY & MULTIPLE ANALYSIS OF BO, FOREIGN LOCALES, etc FROM AAMIR- SRK PERSPECTIVE

(no where below do I intend to hurt any feelings of a fan below are purely my interpretation and analysis in positive way…and its my bollywood journey & changing story)

(The piece is written from Aamir- Srk {YASH – JOHAR} perspective & how twos fan chooses them)( Also Srk is used and reffered as foreign location perspective and Aamir Indian perspective )
(i have also tried to touch the foreign location used in bolywood in this piece)

YEAR 2006- This year has been instrumental in my life as a Bollywood fan.
(i was very excited about Kank & Don releasing that year die hard srk fan)

JANUARY …I entered the movie hall for to see an movie which my friend wanted to see..about few reckless youth & their grievance, disagreement against the system & one of them was also about going to U.S. FOR further studies…by the climax they had changed they started believing in their country & its system…I HAD CHANGED AS A VIEWER…As you might have guessed the movie is RANG DE BASANTI (The colour of change)

Later in that year I saw Kank & Don & really simply didn’t connect. My understanding simply they weren’t Indian movies or for us Indians ..yup stories are universal but what about character & what do you do when yourmost succesful leading man continously throws stories of US at you when they could have been easily made in India…(yup m looking @ Kank, don, khnh etc making Don in malaysia may justify global Don of our times but that makes him less INDIAN ..kank could have easily set up in India & I would have accepted it but no we are going to AMERICA ..we r going to AMERICA ..) Even if u you go foreign there needs to be some structure that should let an indian feel Indian.

Coming back to RDB effect I became an aamir fan..I saw DCH, LAGAAN , GHULAM, etc & I was an aamir fan later I saw fanaa…I was a more Aamir fan…( Dch though shot @ sydney in second half but basically an indian story INDIAN URBANE YOUTH) ( FANAA was shot in poland due shooting trouble in KASHMIR)

Some recent this decade movies of Srk-
BIG MOVIES-
Mohabatein (f) (i) (to my best knowledge gurukul was not shot in india)
k3g(f)
Kank(f)
Khnh(f)
Don (f)
Oso,(i)
Vz (i) etc

Small budget-
Cdi (i)
Swades(i)
Rnbdj(i)
Paheli,(i) etc

Upcoming-
mnik(f)

I have always felt this grievance that our bollywood superstars don’t actually care about India or its real problems & stories. Why does it require them to always shoot their film abroad , why can’t they tell me a stories which I can relate understand or have been seen by me…or to put it bluntly I care about.

Aamir’s movie this decade-

Lagaan,(i)
Dch,(i) ( Dch though shot @ sydney in second half but basically an indian story INDIAN URBANE YOUTH)
Mp,(i)
RDB,(i)
FANAA(i) ( FANAA was shot in poland due shooting trouble in KASHMIR)
TZP(i)
GHAJINI(only songs abroad core indian story)

Upcoming –
3idiots (i)

Aamir khan upcoming production –
Delly belly, (i)
Dhobi ghaat, (i)
Bhopal movie, (i)

(as above movies show most of Aamir are shot in india in comparison to Srk’s as one can say factually theres no f for foreign in Aamirs movies while srk is full of F’s)
( And may be that explains srk domination of Oversea box office…if Aamir comes about in an Nri movie I feel he can to generate equal to Srk collection…also an srk foreign kind movie collection is shown to show his bo power while if we check Srk’s indian shot movies than we might find how average is his so called bo power. Except oso but that too came after long time by which srk had done so many foreign kind movies…I say if oso would have released before any srk’s foreign movie it would have been average grosser…but that’s calked good buisness sense..but I still conclude that an srk movie shot in india can’t be that powerful than a srk movie in US..even veer zaara was underperformer though people won’t accept it)

Meaning this man has care about Indian & its various aspects like youth in DCH , national isues in Rdb, Historical Lagaan, Indian middle class & children in TZP, Indian masala action GHAJINI etc…

So, basically now as I have been a Srk fan & now an life long Aamir fan I can distinguish their philosophy & its impact on their fans them as (non exhautive interpretation )-

DREAMERS
An Srk fan is basically a fan of foreign locales with indians in it…he doesn’t want to care about his countries middle class its problems though he may be one he wants to dream on…he s a DREAMER…he represent innocence or may be even laziness though still a half- indian but has dreams of Foreign land…may be he’s even a dissatisfied with his life kinda individual.( as srk is seller of dreams)

CLEANERS
An Aamir fan is more practical, logical, mature..he dreams but his dreams are less of running away types to more couragious & bold types…they can be described as madhvan’s dialogue from Rdb- apne ghar ki gandki kon saaf karta hai…Aamir fans are ones who accept india as it is & would want to improve it while srk’s are the ones who doesn’t want to clean but want to dream & run to a place where they feel their dreams will be fulfilled…(Aamir is the cleaner type who wants to improve his country) (A seller of patroitism and to be proud of who we are and what do we stand for & how we can improve) 3 idiots feels to be more in this direction with issue of engineering youth of our country…

Once I was a dreamer and theres nothing wrong in it but we all need a time when we make our progression from Dreamers to cleaners…that should be our final goal..dreamer can always rise to be cleaner…

Pattern in Dreamers & Cleaners –

And I will also add when you are dreamers you can’t accept the cleaner while a cleaner can always understand dreamer as I believe either they were once dreamer or may be they still appreciate the dreamy part of life..that’s whY dreamers are always aggressive when their world is attacked ..or they eyes can never understand cleaner part till they RISE ABOVE…thus dreamers show tendency of non-adjustment, dominant or accepting mistakes of their world..while cleaners are less dominant & aggressive.

Ending note-
This is how I became an Aamir fan though I still might occasionally like to be dreamer but frankly theres no chance as dreams aren’t reality….

Rooney’s passing Shot!!!
(YEAR 2008
Jaane tu ya Jaane na was completely shot in India and represented Indian urban youth…while still yrf for their bachna ae haseeno went round the world swiss, italy, & australia. Johar went Miami for Dostana…but both were without script sense foreign local movies and underperformed while jtyjn shot in india with good script succeeded)

22 Responses to “ROONEY’S STORY & MULTIPLE ANALYSIS OF BO, FOREIGN LOCALES, etc FROM AAMIR- SRK PERSPECTIVE”

  1. Hum hum hum hum. Well imo your positions are fair and unfair. Fair because they are built on real and simple facts, unfair because of their interpretation (or fair it depends on what we think… or not).
    ‘Cause we can also twist the tale and say that among Aamir movies, a lot of them are made under his own home production. Can he offered to make 4 films abroad like a Yahsraj or a UTV ? Of course, his choices can be decided in regard of some ethics that he tries to respect, but SRK also choose to make his own films on the motherland. And nothing prove to me that Aamir is more motivated by passion, and SRK by the cost.

    As for comparing the fans of the two stars and make such a black and white picture of the two … i do not agree either. (will finish later but my point is not to defend SRK or his fans, just to say that this exercise is “too easy”)

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  2. mksrooney Says:

    hey oops1(between pretty interesting alias) I know I have been quite black & white & on this topic u can’t cover every aspect so I mentioned its ‘(non exhautive interpretation )-‘….

    also I thought I could distinguish them in better manner as I was once upon a time die hard srk fan now aamirs…

    ‘And nothing prove to me that Aamir is more motivated by passion, and SRK by the cost.’

    to that my opinion is oops that srk’s films are always safer( on this point satyam can write for infinity how he has gone on reject projects with vishal, ashutosh, etc) Srk doesn’t want to say a story or frankly I feel he simply isn’t interested in working hard on a meaningful projects( except a few swades, cdi) & that is not his strength may be …BUT FACT IS HE HIMSELF DOESN’T WANT TO PROGRESS..he just simply want to be a seller of dreams doesn’t want to outgo his safety net & happy with himself & doesn’t wannt to risk different pastures…while that is how I interprete his fans (not 100% but majority ) similiarly they don’t want to do it( not personal comment strictly a view) they also want to remain in their dreams like that second lead in jtyjn …whose parents fought But she made herself believe they r perfect & also a characteristic to self satisfy that they r doing different every now & then (though actually they are’nt…)…

    thus comes my point about localation that its not about cost as much it is about telling a simple(tzp), may be wicked(vishal types), may be political (gangajal, rdb), may be funny, etc in INDIAN CITY. there so many indian stories that can be told but he runs back to America…

    And I understand u r not defending him or his fan…but expressing a good counter point…but aboves is my view in complete sense..that he’s simply more a business man than filmaker…neither does he wanna change

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  3. mksrooney Says:

    nice pic satyam ..thnx again

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  4. Ah i see it now, thanks mksrooney, will check this out today…

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  5. jayshah Says:

    I’ve always felt since the YR bubble of mid 90’s and Aamir’s path that Aamir has “engineered” a career pro-actively and called the shots how he wanted to. Gone were the “friends” Indra/Dharmesh types and a kind of “selfish” approach in a sense. It’s worked great for him. He has “taken” his audience and sold them his films and whatever type of genre he has had success or great success. He’s basically imposed his tastes rather than reacting to what the audience wants.

    With SRK I feel quite the opposite. In a sense he has fed his legions of fans with what they wanted to see. A rather reactive approach. Its reaped unparallelled success but after a while repetition sets in. The odd Swades/Asoka/Paheli didn’t work and only really CDI sticks out as something really different. He is fortunate that Farah undersands his starpower better than K-Jo. His career has been built around strong bonds with a select group of people which has both pros and cons. But he is a traditional star who has relied on his charm and presence to sell his films. with Aamir, its definitely more his ability to pick interesting films/gimmicks that is his USP. He has the onscreen persona but not to rival SRK, but add his script acumen and he’ll be ahead most days of the week.

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    • This is a very fair summation. I would only add that Aamir has also been very interesting in fostering meaningful commercial cinema (as he defines it) as well as nurturing something that remains true to Bombay’s masala roots. So yes it’s paid him huge dividends but he’s also tried hard to push the envelope in more ways than one. What’s often missed is that with a Bombay multiplex audience doing a Ghajini is as significant as doing a TZP. The risks are different. I make this entire point because one could conceivably imagine Aamir resting on his laurels, doing a mix of the critical and the commercial without necessarily venturing into new terrain. I don’t think he’s let complacency get the better of him. But one could play the game a bit cynically (as frankly Kamal has done quite often in Tamil cinema). So far he hasn’t done that.

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      • Not to be unkind to Kamal. The latter’s dedication to quality cinema and trying to bring about a renaissance in his industry is unquestionable. But the cynicism has often gone hand in hand with it.

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        • Kamal does have moments that, despite the cynicism, have taken cinema forward, or have pushed the envelope: I refer here not just to Hey Ram or Virumaandi, but to even a Nala Damayanti, which is IMO one of the best “takes” on the whole NRI love story kinda deal (for those who haven’t seen this film, “Ramji Londonwaale” is the Hindi remake, although far less resonant; but Madhavan deserves an award just for being able to essay both title roles)… I wish there were more such moments, rather than (what seem to me to be) attempts to try and present himself as a counter to Rajni…

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    • mksrooney Says:

      “Gone were the “friends” Indra/Dharmesh types and a kind of “selfish” approach in a sense.”

      “With SRK I feel quite the opposite. In a sense he has fed his legions of fans with what they wanted to see. A rather reactive approach. Its reaped unparallelled success but after a while repetition sets in. The odd Swades/Asoka/Paheli didn’t work and only really CDI sticks out as something really different. He is fortunate that Farah undersands his starpower better than K-Jo. ”

      perfectly said…jayshah

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  6. Re: “I have always felt this grievance that our bollywood superstars don’t actually care about India or its real problems & stories.”

    Very well said mksrooney. I was reminded of this recently when I saw a clip )on a news channel) about the shooting of Love Aaj Kal. Saif was on the sidelines of a Delhi street, and was holding his nose; rather than be embarrassed at being photographed this way, he joked that he thought he would get lung cancer if he continued standing that way! Now, we all know how polluted Delhi is, but this was Exhibit 101 for, not only how removed some of these people are from what’s outside their homes, but also for how clueless they are about how this sort of attitude might “play” outside of their postal codes…

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    • mksrooney Says:

      Q bhai I remember u stating that @ ng ” Saif was on the sidelines of a Delhi street, and was holding his nose; rather than be embarrassed at being photographed this way, he joked that he thought he would get lung cancer if he continued standing that way! ”
      …n that really motivated me to write….

      “And often justice is not done to the foreign location either, the latter is simply presented as some “typical Western” place, and so whether it is Sydney, London, or New York, doesn’t seem to matter. [Mercifully, over the last few years I feel there has been a slight uptick in the number of Indian locations used, although here too one would have to caution against the tendency to “exoticize” most of the “home country” too!”

      rightly pointed q bhai..but then thankfully there are people’ like mani ratnam(yuva, guru,etc), vishal (maqbool , omkara), kashyap(gullaal, black friday, devd)…etc who make very real & good interpretation of indian locales…

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  7. Thanks for this piece mksrooney — as those who’ve read my rants on NG for years will know, I have long had a gripe about the REFLEXIVE use of foreign locales to no discernible purpose (and am thrilled to see these issues/questions about plastic, one might even say “fake”, films, raised here; and I think it is correct to generally “map” these issues on the aamir/srk “divide” as well). And often justice is not done to the foreign location either, the latter is simply presented as some “typical Western” place, and so whether it is Sydney, London, or New York, doesn’t seem to matter. [Mercifully, over the last few years I feel there has been a slight uptick in the number of Indian locations used, although here too one would have to caution against the tendency to “exoticize” most of the “home country” too!

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    • mksrooney Says:

      “(and am thrilled to see these issues/questions about plastic, one might even say “fake”, films, raised here; and I think it is correct to generally “map” these issues on the aamir/srk “divide” as well)”

      thanks q bhai!

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  8. I do agree that SRK is not making good choices nowadays. I mean, reject a project because he’s sure it’s gonna flop is not what i call a wise decision but still imo we should not put on SRK’s shoulders all the defaults of the system. Yes he was the Hero of those “not-so-good-days-to-remember” of Bollywood, and yes he’s sticking to his forte when everyone tries to take risk but i tend to think that attacking him all the time is like shooting an easy target. It’s like saying that there was no Manmohan Desai behind Bachchan master pieces, and he made everything by himself : wrote the scenario, shoot the scene, sang the song and applauded at award functions !
    I agree that something is wrong since the 90’s, but the discussion should be more open and take into consideration the entire industry. What kind of films they are trying to do, what kind of films people want to see etc…
    I’m an SRK fan also (yes i am), and i’m maybe biased (why not, if we are a bunch of lazy dreamers, i also read somewhere on the net that we were crazy and almost retarded lol) but clearly the entire analogy seems too strech for me. And since SRK’s BO power is declining in India, how is he suppose to change anything then ? On one hand, people are saying that he’s declining and should do something “different”, on the other if he tries that and fail the very same people will bury him alive.

    To conclude my thoughts : this analogy does not help the debate. The discussion about the social backgrounds of the new generation directors and how they are connected to the rooted India is far more interesting deals with the real problem for me.

    My two cents.

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    • I had the same problem with the topic about Abhi VS Hrithik. These comparisons could help to some extent to make quick statements about Bwood and its audience, but “quick” is not “deep” and does not always lead to better conclusions.

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  9. mksrooney Says:

    THE MATRIX ANALOGY

    in my view oops..m not attacking him ..I m just stating the choices that one makws & how it defines them i n their career…

    LIKE MATRIX in which neo could choose red pill & blue pill…one cotinues the dream the other breaks it& brings reality….neo made right choice( so that movie could move forward) …but did srk???? in my view no he didn’t..the guy arrived @ CHOICEPOINT & made wrong choice (m not talking about today but 5-6 years back) he’s well past the choice point he’s NOT THE ONE….he chose to remain artificial fake dreamer unlike neo

    Aamir is the NEO he arrived @ CHOICE OF RED & BLUE PILL &CHOSE TO BE THE ONE…he chose to be cleaners the one & not dreamer…

    my two cents

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  10. mksrooney Says:

    .” It’s like saying that there was no Manmohan Desai behind Bachchan master pieces, and he made everything by himself : wrote the scenario, shoot the scene, sang the song and applauded at award functions !

    true oops but ur argument means the so called powerful man of industry is powerless & can’t make a simple choice of his!!! he has still good amount of power & earlier also had but he was simply busy selling dreams …apne ghar ki gandki kaun saaf kare attitude ….while as Aamir came to choice point he decided one movie @ time

    as jayshah says-
    ‘Gone were the “friends” Indra/Dharmesh types and a kind of “selfish” approach in a sense.’

    he had daring guts courage or may be madness to ditch them & move forward….at choice point similiarly srk could have ditched but he didn’t he continued his dream selling buisness !…..
    (nothing personal against srks choice only that as a former srk fan my idol disapoointed me that I left him…disappointed , felt betrayed …)

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  11. “”And since SRK’s BO power is declining in India, how is he suppose to change anything then ?””

    What makes you think that bro???

    The netire analysis of SRK sticking to his strentgh is faulty…Lets analyse last 10 movies of SRK…

    RNBDJ
    OSO
    CDI
    DON
    KANK
    PAHELI
    SWADES
    VEERZAARA
    MHN
    KNH

    Now which one movie is similar to the other..There included a Gangster flick, spoof masala,geek love story,folk story….All are different to the other…Now whoever accuses SRK of not trying is just biased…

    Coming back to Aamir…

    “”he had daring guts courage or may be madness to ditch them & move forward””

    I disagree..The BO compulsions promted Aamir to do that…his second movie with Dharmesh was a horrible flop…So Aamir had no option but to ditch him…His third movie with IndraKumar was a flop…So aamir ditched him…

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  12. Ok but my point is also that “Neo” (wow are you really comparing Aamir to NEO ? LOL) did not influence the new generation to the extent of making them love the more rooted India, for the simple reason that they don’t feel connected with it. That’s the real problem. Ok, Aamir choose the blue pill and choose to care and SRK choose not (i’m still smiling 🙂 ) , but my opinion is that their choice can’t resolve the problem entirely even if we would like to see them doing something (this is reality for me, Green M&M chocolate pill’s !)
    If i remember, at the end of the trilogy NEO did not save anyone ’cause he was one the few anomaly “accepted” by the system. I think i read somewhere on NG that people like Kayshiap or Vishal B are in the same range… as is Aamir Khan for me.

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    • even m smiling oops….lol….(THOUGH M SERIOUSLY THINKING MY NEXT POST TITLE ROONEY’S mATRIX THEORY ON AAMIR/SRK)

      but seriously my point of comparision ends at the pooint choice is made….thats the only area of comparision…that he chose blue pill, he succeeds or not does he truly represent them or not is not necessary in my analogy…..

      simply put my point of comparision is only Matrix part one a scene where choice is give AND NOT THE IMPACT WHICH CONTINUES THRU SEQUELS…

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  13. “”true oops but ur argument means the so called powerful man of industry is powerless & can’t make a simple choice of his!!! he has still good amount of power & earlier also had but he was simply busy selling dreams …apne ghar ki gandki kaun saaf kare attitude ….while as Aamir came to choice point he decided one movie @ time””

    Now lets analyse Aamirs Choices…

    He did mangal pandey just after laggan thinking that it would again give him name mfame and some Oscar moments…Now was he not falling to the repetition trap???

    How about a Fanna and Ghajni for safe BO returns..And yes if we really talkning about Aamir the actor we should really exclude TZP from our discussions..

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  14. “How about a Fanna and Ghajni for safe BO returns..And yes if we really talkning about Aamir the actor we should really exclude TZP from our discussions”

    hey raj…well for that i will like post something from satyam(satyam would u please provide the link) as he has explained various times on NG and (maybe here) that how fanaas , ghajini are different from safe bets and i have always felt same

    eg..when was last time a terrorist hero remains a terrorist till death was successful not even once guilty or changed???? aka FANAA…

    when was last time an action masala romance movie which such violent scenes as GHAJINI was successful last time as satyam and maybe jayshah said on NG that was GHAYAL….or before (thats 18 years back dude)??/

    thats my answer for fanaa and ghajini being safe bets…..

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