Satyamev Jayate Episode 4
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SATYAMSHOT
May 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM
Posting it in the right place now–
Alex adams Says:
May 27, 2012 at 7:55 AM
unrelated -pending new tthread?
Satyamev jay ate-medical corruption !
saw this epoisode on corruption in medicine in india and good to get an update or introduction to goings on in India
Would invite the input from medics here and from those in various different countries to get a comparative view
From the states (Satyam etc), Europe (Oldgold) , even Australia and obviously from India…
makes one scared in getting medical treatment whilst in India!
Think the treatment was quite ‘simplistic’ ‘ ‘basic’ somewhat one-sided and ‘massy” but again did reveal the main points
Aamir always asks questions ‘knowing’ the answer before hand -obviously are rehearsed and planned which again is not bad…
This episode was somewhat at a lower pitch ESP in comparison to the ‘high emotional
Worthy main new points were-
Numerous ‘capitation’ medical colleges and their proliferation
Generic medicines issue
Issue of regulation of errant doctors
Medical insurance on a nationalised level -though they are quite varied eg in states and Europe, which differs from state to state
Will be interesting —
Ps-satyam -in the states, though the medical insurance works well overall, recently has heard some horror ish stories even from well off people who couldn’t get onto a good deal package or their who ha pre existing medical issues which took their premium quite high up.
What are your views ..
In Europe, feel situation is better and aus / nz is similar
Though India seems to have huge ‘variations ‘
Ps -shettys idea is good
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May 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM
I’d rather watch Kickass tonight.
Followed by Milk.
and then Bruno..
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May 27, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Very well researched & insightful 4th episode ! more power to the SJ team !!
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May 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM
NCW chairperson lauds Aamir Khan’s show
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Jaipur/NCW-chairperson-lauds-Aamir-Khan-s-show/Article1-861747.aspx
Appreciating superstar Aamir Khan for raising social issues through his TV serial ‘Satyamev Jayate’, National Commission for Women’s (NCW) chairperson Mamta Sharma today said celebrities should come forward for social issues.
“Aamir Khan began with the issue of female foeticide with
special reference to Rajasthan. It is a good beginning because it helps in creating awareness,” she said at a seminar in Poornima engineering college in Sitapura area.
“The government and NGO volunteers have also been making efforts to curb the social evil and their role is definitely prime, but celebrities have their attraction among people which really works,” she said.
Mamta said in the seminar, which was organised by NGO ‘Message’, that the commission launched a 24-hour helpline in Gujarat for women and soon it would be introduced in Haryana and Rajasthan and other states.
Expressing concern over increasing cases of rape and suicide by rape and dowry victims, she said that the cases of rape were on the top of complaints with the NCW these days.
Chairperson of Poornima Group of Institutions, Dr SM Seth emphasised upon empowerment of women in each sector and in the remote areas of the country so as to ensure overall growth of the nation.
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May 27, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Really good episode with lots of information.
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May 27, 2012 at 2:28 PM
“Really good episode with lots of information.”
Yes agree Sanjana
Actually there was less ’emotion’ and melodramatic shock elements’ and more actual stuff
Though perhaps a bit of ‘generalisation’
And it was handled quite simplistically and in a basic manner…
Also not sure how valid is the ‘research’ figures shown here
Ps-Sanjana: u are e of the most ‘balanced’ and ‘sensible’ folks here… Keep it up
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May 27, 2012 at 2:30 PM
Also think this issue cannot be dealt with separate from ‘medical education’
Why are the so-called ‘private med colleges’ being allowed to proliferate and go rampant (though it has it’s own space and need to an extent)
What would those who use unfair means or money etc to bypass competition to become doctors do later on…
These ‘parallel’ alternate routes create sne issues…
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May 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM
So, has the Loksabha passed any law yet?
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May 27, 2012 at 2:36 PM
Oldgold — btw congrats
SRKs team KKR beats chennai to win IPL4
Think SRK will go mad now (&god save Priyanka , katrina and other coactresses) 😉
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May 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM
IPL 5
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May 28, 2012 at 2:09 AM
Why the doctors of the forum not giving any opinions? For and against.
They can atleast tell us ignoramuses where to get generic medicines and give some examples. Also why generic medicines are cheap. It was shown that blood cancer medicine which costs 1.25 lakhs can be procured for RS.400 if one goes for generic thing. As it is cancer and kidney treatments along with many like diabetes are extremely costly for the average salaried in India. And many middleclass people resort to suicides as they dont want to burden their families with their treatments. And they go for passive suicides by not taking any treatment at all.
We need more government hospitals to reduce unending queues which frustrate many who already have frail health.
And medical insurance is a big joke. They provide umbrella when the weather is fine and take it away when it turns otherwise. There are so many ifs, buts in fine print.
When USSR was under communist rule, the biggest plus point was free medical treatment to everyone which I think must be the case in all communist countries.
Saurabh, Graduate, and other doctors, please reply. Dont think it is some star’s show but think it in terms of the content.
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May 28, 2012 at 3:43 AM
ya have to agree and from what we the normal people face its a big thing and for the first time the content made sense rather than gimmicks of earlier stuff( which has been commercialised in past alot to and are very hot topics anyways)
thing is i am not sure but today most of the medicines to have been tempered alot and very few of them are genuine ( i don’t know its correct or not but a friend of mine told me only 35-40% of medicines are tested in india)….others may correct me
like everything parivate hospitals and insurance industries have been commercialised but atleast they have facility but conditions in government hospitals in terms of facility prompts people to go there (private hospitals) and sorry what about doctors who themselves indulge in their private practice
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May 28, 2012 at 2:34 AM
V good points Sanjana-agree
U are probably one of the most sensible and balanced person here
Cheers
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May 28, 2012 at 3:46 AM
Fallacies of the medical system on Satyamev Jayate!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tv/Fallacies-of-the-medical-system-on-Satyamev-Jayate/articleshow/13594597.cms
Kudos to Aamir Khan once again for doing a brilliant job in the fourth episode of Satyamev Jayate that highlights the fallacies of our country’s medical system.
This episode is an eye opener for the entire population of India whether rich or poor because illness does not distinguish its victims. Aamir wisely chooses medical students for his audience in this episode to perhaps make them aware of the loop holes prevalent in the medical system and colleges of our country. Right into the beginning of the show, Aamir introduces us to the ruthlessness of many doctors who are interested in only making money and earning commission at the cost of poor people.
A well researched theme, Aamir throws light on the plight of people who are deprived of medical facilities simply because they can’t churn the medical fee on the spot, eventually leading to the patient’s death. (In the case of a 24 year old pregnant woman who died along with her unborn child due to the doctor’s insensitivity and lack of medical attention). This episode brings on many examples of patients like the case of VS Venkatesh who was falsely guided by doctors and had to undergo four surgeries and even lose a toe when all he needed was simple antibiotics.
Hyderabad based Arvind Kumar’s case was similar. Arvind was admitted to ICU for three days and was advised to undergo a surgery. But he refused to follow the doctor’s advice and relied on his own intelligence, thus avoiding a surgery. But none of these patients were spared the huge hospital bills that they had to pay.
In a shocking revelation, the women of Kowdipally village in Andhra Pradesh were encouraged to remove their uterus. Ultimately, many of these women were unable to produce children and some were even abandoned by their husbands. To add to their woes, they undertook heavy loans to get the operation done. And they are still suffering from the side effects of the operation.
One of the most heart wrenching story was that of Seema Rai. Seema (wife of Major Pankaj Rai) was taken for a kidney and pancreas transplant without the family’s permission and the doctor operating on her did not even have a license to perform a pancreatic transplant. But the ordeal did not end there for Major Pankaj and his daughter. 60 liters of blood were pumped into Seema’s body when an average human body carries between five to six liters. After 17 hours on the operation table, Seema finally succumbed and passed away. Furthermore, the doctors did not even bother to inform the family and switched off their cell phones.
Aamir also brought on Dr Anil Pichad from Mumbai who runs a pathology lab in Santacruz East. Pichad spoke about the problems he faced when he newly opened the lab. When he approached doctors to recommend patients to him, they blatantly asked for a huge commission and Pichad had no choice but to overcharge patients for the test. But a personal tragedy brought about a change of heart. Pichad now charges patients a cheap amount and his practice is doing well through word of mouth publicity.
Chairman of the Medical Council of India (MIC) Dr KK Talwar, revealed that not even a single doctor’s license has been cancelled since 2008. The last case was that of Dr Ketan Desai whose license was cancelled due to his medical inefficiency.
But the latter half of the show was positive and hopeful when Dr Samit Sharma, IAS, Managing Director, Rajasthan Medical Services Corporation was brought on as a guest. Dr Sharma has been helping poor people in Rajasthan by setting up generic medical centers where the same medicine that would otherwise be very expensive, is sold for a cheap amount. People are fooled into buying expensive medicines simply because they come with a big brand name.
To prove this, Aamir sent a correspondent to buy medicines from a normal medicine shop which cost her over 2000 rupees. When she went to a generic medical centre, the same medicines cost her 350 rupees. Aamir also congratulated Dr Samit Sharma and encouraged him to open such centers in all states of India and requested audiences to lend their support for this noble cause. An eye opening revelation was the cost of a blood cancer medicine which in a generic store costs anywhere between six to ten thousand and in a medical shop costs rupees 1.25 lakhs!
Dr Samit Sharma then revealed the story of Raju, his maid’s son who died simply because his mother could not afford 400 rupees for her son’s treatment. This was such a heart breaking story. Makes one wonder what is the value of human life? Can patients thrust their doctors? According to statistics by WHO ( World Health Organization), 65 percent of our country’s population does not have access to even basic medicines.
This episode has educated audiences. But that’s not all. It has raised so many questions on the doctor-patient relationship. Can we trust our doctors? Do they care for our well being? Because as Aamir says on the show, life is priceless and it does not matter if we are rich or poor. We need to be ‘aware’ of our rights and ask the correct questions! As conscientious citizens, we need to do our bit and help another out, just the way Aamir does in every episode of Satyamev Jayate.
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May 28, 2012 at 3:51 AM
there we go pr stuff started allready …. what are the solutions in hand..
baby falak died recently in front of aiims(the government hospital and free healthcare) but instead of minting masala in form of story what they did
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May 28, 2012 at 3:53 AM
What also elevated this episode to another level was the presence of such eminent doctors like Dr. Devi Shetty, one of the topmost heart surgeons in the country…his address to all the young MBBS students on the show was very inspiring !
At the end of the show, Dr. Shetty got emotional & was seen shedding a few tears while the song “Naav” was being performed….guess his tears were also “fake” like the rest of the people in the show, according to our “all knowing arm-chair cynics” !
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May 28, 2012 at 4:02 AM
have seen more tears for falak just a month back in india in media and ya arm chair cynics like us or for that matter aamir doesn’t change anything(they are not going to grassrot and working for years to change that)…being emotional and being practical is different thing alltogether
lol will aamir say anything about relaince health insurance and the fraudery of theirs(the show sponsors )
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May 28, 2012 at 4:32 AM
No one has the time to shed tears forever. In my family and other families, I have observed that death of even very close ones elicit only a few days tears and mourning and then life goes back to normal. As they say, the show must go on.
Of course, some go into eternal depression over all this tragedy.
The programme is to elicit some positive response and introspection among all. If it can make even one person better, it is good. While our violence ridden films make hardcore criminals out of petty criminals. Just watch crime petrol on sony which is much more hard hitting.
No show can transform people overnight. If it is so easy, Gandhiji’s example would have made all the politicians honest do gooders.
That is the tragedy of life. Every smoker knows smoking is harmful and yet light up. Corrupt people visit Tirupati and Shirdi and indulge in corruption without any qualms after praying and bribing god. We know how animals are killed for food in slaughter houses and yet we relish non veg. Crime, corruption has its own pull and as such human life is an eternal conflict between good and bad.
This programme also make people feel smug and they will be back to business. The glaring example is Anna’s movement and how it fizzled out.
Let us get some information and some facts rather than expecting miracles. Afterall it is only a one and half hours show and it is sometimes good timepass.
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May 28, 2012 at 4:44 AM
good set of thoughts mam ……
but again our relative’s death are never that media circus which claim to bring revolutionary changes and you are correct about content (which is visible in hoardings all over india”jab dil pe lagegi to baat banegi”)…but again the content is one sided at times to be fact and even research …there are more corruptions in government hospitals and in most of big wigs ( no one in show will name big players as effects will be more severe)
btw all doctors to are not bad just like exceptions are everywhere and also mp has done most in exposing corruption in government hospitals
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May 28, 2012 at 5:04 AM
All doctors are not corrupt as you say. But few doctors who are corrupt bring bad name to the profession as a whole and public distrust happens. Because misdeeds get media attention and good deed rarely get any attention.
Yes, government hospitals are also highly corrupt in some cases, but atleast they dont take away all our savings along with our lives.
The biggest corruption is political corruption and the biggest threat is corrupt police force which make headlines daily. and the nexus between various forces.
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May 28, 2012 at 5:38 AM
mp here i mean madhya pradesh not politicians….chances of poor dieing are more in government hospitals due to neglect and the % of mishap cases in private hospitals are again very less in terms of percentage…
don’t know why the links i have posted here gone into spam with data
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May 28, 2012 at 5:41 AM
onus of provinding healthcare lies with government and its policies and neither the public or private hospitals
there are many countries unlike india where government took this responsibility for poor and there again they have expensive hospitals to
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May 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM
‘moving’ and ‘heartfelt’ thoughts there, sanjana..well said !!
ps1-not sure if there is another episode on “education’ since the issue of ‘capitation’ colleges is relevant..
ps2-@ the same time, dont think poor docs should be assessed with utopian standards just bocs of the ‘noble’ profession while others around indulge in daylight orgies…lol.
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May 28, 2012 at 4:14 AM
http://www.livemint.com/2007/04/01225656/Corruption-in-government-hospi.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-10/indian-drug-regulator-accused-of-corruption-and-collusion.html
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/address-sick-state-of-the-health-system/1/149078.html
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May 28, 2012 at 4:29 AM
Simply the best episode so far, and stands very well on its own. Plenty of useful info; there was a good balance of emotion and information. The guests were absolute stars, well handled by Aamir. Totally loved Dr. Gulati and his no-nonsense manner of speaking; the gentleman actually had us all (the tv audience, Aamir, audience watching at homes)–laughing. Some bitter pills coated with a covering of humour .
Many moons I underwent an unnecessary operation –and am still feeling the after-effects. Such things have happened to may people. There are many good doctors out there–my lady GP friend can cure with a smile and minimum of medication and common sense—but there are plenty of mercenary docs too. And the prices of medicines–forget the really poor, even the middle-class is finding it difficult to buy medicines. We cedrtainly need Generic Medical Stores. Incidentally, as always, Aamir’s follow up column makes for sensible reading. Available at websites of the Hindustan Times and The Hindu. anyway, here is a link–
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/article3462853.ece
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May 28, 2012 at 4:35 AM
Edit–many moons ago..
BTW, went to the http://www.satyamevjayate.in website and had a look at the comments. It was mixed reception, with many praising the show and a few mentioning their own reservations.
Aamir of course has stated repeatedly during this show and the earlier ones that SJ is not an effort to indict or put people in the dock, but a look at matters that need attention, that matter to people, should not be pushed under the carpet of apathy, ignorance/indifference/what have you….and yet you have this lady doc writing in and saying that the show as an insult to doctors….and Aamir should apologize.
What the…
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May 28, 2012 at 6:48 AM
Satyamev Jayate, reaching far and wide
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Television/Satyamev-Jayate-reaching-far-and-wide/Article1-862389.aspx
Four episodes in, Aamir Khan’s debut TV show, Satyamev Jayate, has touched people all over the country. Though it began at a modest 3.1 TVR in the first week, it went on to generate a TVR of 3.7 in the second week, reaching 27.8 crore people in India.
The show is also generating a lot of
awareness in the social media space. While the pre-launch campaign on digital platforms reached about 8.2 crore people, since the launch, the show has caught the attention of 1.25 crore Twitter users (75 per cent of the user base).
It has been trending on the micro-blogging website over the last four weeks with each topic — female infanticide, child sexual abuse, dowry and medical malpratice — creating buzz.
On Facebook, it has reached out to 1.4 crore users and garnered 10 lakh fans already, which is higher than the IPL that added 11 lakh fans in three years and KBC that added four lakh fans.
The show has received 1 crore hits on YouTube, with over 20 lakh votes of support and over Rs. 1.1 crore in donations (including the contribution of Reliance Foundation) for two episodes.
Uday Shankar, CEO Star India, says, “Satyamev Jayate has generated unprecedented buzz and impact. While it’s true that at the start, the conversations were around Aamir and the show, online trends show that post the episode, conversations have moved towards the issue and ‘real action’, signalling the stirrings of a movement.”
He adds that the power of the medium and the message is working, touching hearts and awakening change. “It’s one of the few individual events (media or otherwise) to trend on Twitter for two days with such high levels of conversation. The Internet is a people’s medium and this show has become the people’s brand. This level of impact is not something you can predict or plan for.”
Satyamev Jayate’s digital impact
Viewership
* 27.8 crore people in first
Two episodes
* 3.1 first week ratings
* 3.7 second week ratings
Facebook
* Ten lakh fans
* 1.4 crore users reached
Twitter
* 1.25 crore Twitter users reached
* Trending on Twitter for four consecutive weeks
YouTube
* 1 crore video views
SMS
* 20 lakhs votes of support received
Donations
* Rs 1.1 crore in donations (including contributions from Reliance Foundation)
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May 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Saw the 4th episode last night…..
Extremely well researched and very hard hitting imo
Being in the UK, you don’t realise so much dodgy business occurs back home
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May 28, 2012 at 10:47 AM
IIRC the rating of the first episode was 3.8 (not including DD1’s) which went down to 3.7 (not sure if it included the DD1’s too).
*Remember ‘Big Boss’ is watching* all this PR circus with great amusement.
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May 28, 2012 at 1:23 PM
OG is so obsessed criticizing aamir and all his ventures that one day – we will find her mentioning aamir in each of her sentences no matter what the topic is 🙂
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May 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM
I never used the word in my comment at all. Or are you so obsessed with him that you see his name everywhere? 😀
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May 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Big Boss, amusement, PR circus…so much cynicism from usual suspects.
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May 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM
LS, relax ! Why spoil the fun ?
Still 9 more episodes to go…we are having a lot of fun watching the “circus” here courtesy of Oldgold’s clownish antics 🙂
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May 28, 2012 at 5:36 PM
Some clarification.
I’m calling myself the ‘big boss’ in the sense that I’ll catch misinformation aimed to glorify (which is a circus in my eyes), as in the case of the comment I responded to.
I clearly remember TRP being mentioned as 3.8, and not 3.1 as is written in that comment – aimed at showing that popularity is rising. This is not the case since it went down to 3,7 and not up to 3,7.
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May 28, 2012 at 6:22 PM
Hahaha ‘big boss’ is also watching u , oldgold 🙂
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May 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Bihar seeks Aamir Khan’s help
http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report_bihar-seeks-aamir-khan-s-help_1694971
Bihar government will seek the support of Bollywood super star Aamir Khan for the the ‘Save Bitia’ (Protect Girl Child) programme of the state.
“We’ll soon contact Aamir Khan for the purpose,” Bihar Health and Family Welfare Minister Ashwini Kumar Choubey told reporteers here today.
He hailed the efforts being made by Aamir Khan in preventing female foeticide and said it was a good beginning in the country.
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May 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM
It’s a fantastic effort by Aamir but I suspect it won’t amount to anything in the long run. People are not going to follow up once the show is over. It’s not Aamir’s fault; when the whole system is rotten, it’d be difficult to inculcate change through 1 hour TV shows.
Still, props to Aamir for a bold and worthy move.
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May 28, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Can some one Ask Aamir has he ever used condoms… if he has… then one should tell him that condoms have 7% failure rates… When a thing like condom can have failure rates …. y cant medical procedures performed… It was a biased episode…. a lot can be said from a doctor’s perspective… But a non medico will never understand… so I think I should better shut up
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May 28, 2012 at 6:26 PM
Hahaha doc shaurya agree lol
Btw don’t mind my innocent question: but is the 7% stats the result f a double bling randomised control trial or an observational cohort or just anecdotal or infact personal experience 🙂
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May 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Haha… I always use double condoms.. so my personal experience is non chaotic… and 7% rate includes condom slip, rupture, improper application and miscellaneous causes.. and yes it is a cohort study.
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May 28, 2012 at 6:41 PM
Wow @ the ‘double condom’
Hats off to doc Shaurya
U r the new hero of the blog -seriously …
Lol@ cohort study
So they compared it to a ‘non condom” control group haha
Btw u sound a very interesting medic-do share your experiences , only if u feel like…
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June 8, 2012 at 1:09 AM
dr shaurya…in the show aamir clearly states that this show is not about doctor’s making mistakes…he admits mistakes happen…but this show is about ‘neeyat’….intent of those doctors. this is another bold show.
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May 28, 2012 at 6:11 PM
Message to AMIRKHAN – READ AND SHARE ALL
MEDICOS N DOCTORS.
Dear Mr. Amir Khah,
“NOT ALL DOCTORS ARE GREEDY”
“THERE IS NO PROFESSION THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
CLEAN”
“DOCTORS ARE OBLIGED TO SERVE BY CHOICE, NOT BY
COMPULSION” Sir,
I have been a big fan or your work, life and
principles. I am also a fan of ‘Satyamev Jayate’. But I
was shocked to see the episode on 27th May,
2012. You are an Icon. You should have thought
well and done the homework before doing such a biased show. There are only two people in the film
industry that are being taken seriously by the
thinking class of society, You and Amitabh
Bacchhan. So, when you give such a biased and
one sided version of a story, it hurts. Speaking
about such a thing on a “commercial” TV show is bad. (I am sure you have taken a big amount, only
doctor are supposed to do charity and social work,
not actors!!! Right!) I want to highlight few important points here. And
yes I am qualified to make observations as I am a
medical student. 1. Your guests and audience (the words were
almost put in their mouth) said that private colleges
charge a capitation fee of 40 – 50 Lacs for MBBS,
you should have also produced some evidence of
such practice. Like you call a victim in all your
episodes, why not here? And do the same story Engineering, Architecture, Law and MBA colleges,
do you think they are clean? Why target doctors
alone? 2. You said Since 2001, government opened 31
medical colleges and 106 private institutes were
opened. – Please note that today in India, there are
a total of 181 Private and 152 Govt Medical
colleges. So the number is not as bad s you
projected. Don’t project only the time period which suits your story. Either give a complete picture or
do not give a picture at all!
And also, please find out how many of these
private colleges are owned by politicians? 95% of
Private colleges in India are owned and run by
politicians. It is a bloody nexus between politicians and MCI. The corruption by politicians is to blamed
for the mess, not doctors!!! 3. One of your guest (Dr. Gulhati) said that doctors
ask for 30% commission from Pharma companies
to write their drugs. That is baseless, over-the-roof
and sensationalizin g the matter. That is as true as
“Most Leading actors ask newcomers to sleep with
them” or “Lawyers take money from both the sides in a legal battle” or “Most chartered
accountants teach their clients how to save tax and
also pass info to taxman on where his client saved
tax”. I know all of you will shout “Where is the
proof?”. So are doctors!!! I am not trying to sensationalize things as you did
on your show by shading those fake tears, but just
trying to project that allegations are easy to make. I
know you will say that this was the opinion of our
guest, and not yours. But you provided a platform
for these fake allegations. 4. You compared the numbers of Licenses cancelled
in England and in India. I must say your team is
quite resourceful and please collect and compare
following details also –
a.Number of doctors beaten on duty by goons
from various political outfits in government hospitals in UK and India in last 10 years, and also
the number of people convicted for such crime.
b.The Stipend (Salary a post-graduate trainee
doctor/intern gets) or Salary and accommodation
facilities provided to the doctors of the two
countries. c.The duty hours and working conditions of the
doctors of the two countries.
d.The academic and research infrastructure being
provided to the medical students. 5. You said that the most brilliant students who
take up medicine, should take it only for service to
mankind, they should go to other fields if they
want to earn. Why? Are we living in imperialism?
Are doctors not allowed to earn and spend a good
life? You were asking Dr. Devi Shetty whether he can do humanitarian work and Earn at same time?
This is like asking Amirkhan or Shahrukh-khan
their income and generalizing it for every actor in
the industry (Even junior artists). Sir, just as there
are only few Khans and Kapoors, There are even
fewer Devi Shetty and Naresh Trehan who run their chain of Multi-specialty hospitals spread all
over the country. See what it takes to become a
doctor and then give such “Geeta-Gyan”.
a. 5 and half year of MBBS training and 1 more year
of Compulsory Rural Internship at Rs. 15000 –
20000 per month. (Any other field eg. Engineering, Management, a person would become
Postgraduate in this much time and start earning
double the amount.)
If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is
22,000 per month.
b. After above 6 and half years of Graduation, 3 more years of Postgraduation, followed again by
compulsory rural / Government job for 1 year or
pay Rs. 25Lac bond.
If one doesn’t study further, the pay at this step is
40,000 per month.
c. After this above 10 and half years, 3 more years of Superspeciality , followed by 1 year of Govt job
or a Bond of Rs. 2 Crore. And the seats are so few with tough competition,
there tends to be a gap of a year or two in
preparing for various entrance exams. 6. Why only Doctors are being forced to work in
rural and government hospitals after their study?
Why only we should pay government if we don’t
want to do it? The rural/Govt sector needs help of Engineers,
Lawyers, Chartered Accountants and MBAs also. Why aren’t the Engineers sent to rural areas to
design and monitor roads and industrials
development?
Why aren’t the Lawyers forced to work as Public
prosecutors before they can join some big foreign
corporate firm? Why aren’t the CAs asked to work in CAG office
and various other government financial sectors
before joining Multinational Giants? Now government wants that doctors should not
immigrate to other countries without asking them.
Why? Are the IIT/IIM students stopped before they
flee to foreign countries for big fat salaries? So,
why us? What is it that government of society has
done for doctors that they should repay? They bloody can’t even protect them from goons while
on duty. 7. You say that doctors are writing unnecessary
and costly medications. Do we decide the price of a
drug? Do we manufacture or give license to drug
manufacturers? Controlling the price of essential
drugs is a government job. We are helpless. Sir, its easy to point fingers. We don’t say that all is
well. But all is not well anywhere. Its a different
thing creating awareness about dowry or female
feticide. But its entirely different to comment on
such a technical and complicated issue without
getting into the details of it. You have maligned the entire medical fraternity.
For every 10 doctors who are doing wrong, there
are more than 1000 healers. You owe us an
apology!!! This issue is not as simple as you think it
is! Please show stories which are unbiased and
straight-forwar d. You cannot do justice to such an issue, especially after charging a whooping
amount for creating awareness!!! (We hear that Amir has charged 3 crores for
episode of satyamevjayate in which he spreads
the message to doctors that they should not make
money and do social service!!! How sacred!!! I
don’t know if its true, but well, it’s the season of
allegations!) “We Doctors may be doing little social service, But
at least we are not charging for it!”
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May 28, 2012 at 6:41 PM
I think all Aamir has done is highlight a huge issue that genuinely does exist. Perhaps the points raised in this post are correct too, but I don’t think they are mutually exclusive with what what was brought up on the show. I didn’t find it one-sided; they repeatedly said that there are very good doctors in the country.
If this people makes people suspicious of doctors then so be it. Nothing wrong with a little patient-autonomy.
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May 29, 2012 at 12:02 AM
didn’t aamir said twice or thrice during the episode that all doctors are not like that? Towards the end, he even saluted to good doctors – then why this cry?
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May 28, 2012 at 6:23 PM
Bravo
Doc shaurya
Inspite of numerous calls, the other medics surprisingly have stayed mum here-not sure why
U are the new ‘angry young man’ of the blog-bravo
Hip hip…
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May 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM
@ Alex..
पहले नादान बच्चों को बोलने देना चहिये.. समझदार लोग सबकी सुनते हैं फिर बोलते हैं
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May 28, 2012 at 6:33 PM
Wicked episode. Not sure how much change will occur but hat’s off to Aamir for trying to do something. If nothing else at least the issues are brought out into the open. This was by far the best episode so far. A colleague who is from India and worked there for a few years was telling me very similar stories a few months back. It’s disgusting.
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May 28, 2012 at 6:42 PM
Sally-how does this stuff compare to where u work …
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May 28, 2012 at 6:48 PM
It’s not really comparable in any way. In the UK, most healthcare is delivered via the National Health Service, so people don’t pay doctors/hospitals – it is all government funded, so this kind of corrupt system can’t really ocurr.
We do also have a large private healthcare system, where no doubt people refer patients to each other, but because of the amount of autonomy that patients have, not only in terms of choosing the doctor/hospital, but also in terms of the exact management they desire, I don’t think doctors have very much ‘power’ anymore.
Of course here we have our own problems. The NHS is crumbling. Everything is being cut, and who knows what will be left at the end.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:08 PM
hmmm I see- perhaps one of the few surviving such systems at national level-though not sure for how long
Thanx for that info Sally
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May 28, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Haha shaurya
Btw pray dont underestimate the ‘normal’ or mango
People … They Can be quite smart 😉
Ps- agree that there has been a lot of ‘generalisation ‘
The medics I know (some close friends) world over work v ‘hard’
Btw what do u think of this ‘capitation’ college backfire entry system -not sure if this is in many other countries
It has a place to overcome ‘shortage’ of doctors but seems it’s being overdone ? Is it ..
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May 28, 2012 at 6:46 PM
Well every situation has 2 faces… Not many countries have a population of 1.3 billion with over 6 lakh medical aspirants and 30 thousand MBBS seats… of which only 17 thousand are government seats..
India has much bigger financial problems to be sorted out then opening medical collages. Government is unable to provide proper funds to existing medical collages… how can one expect to open new ones….We simply dont have funds
Privatisation of education has taken place in all fields.. engineering, management etc…. But they dont get any aid from government…. how on earth do u expect these people to run these collages.. And those who blame privatisation should understand that even after this India is in Gross shortage of medical facalties.. and people expect to close them down… we government doctors are also humans… u cant expect thousands of new patients thriving at our collages are managed by us with same sincerety.. we need private setups to lessen our burden… We too need to sleep… We too have girlfriends who nag us for our time… And we too wanna be rich as u want to…
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May 28, 2012 at 6:50 PM
A very earnest honest and succinct response Shaurya
Well said mate-u r the missing x-factor in this discussion
“We too need to sleep… We too have girlfriends who nag us for our time… And we too wanna be rich as u want to…”
Absolutely genuine needs there
ESP about the multiple girlfriends …how many do u currently have (only if u wish to disclose lol)
Love your earnest comments
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May 28, 2012 at 7:03 PM
@Alex… let me tell u a secret….
King george medical collage in lukhnow(UP’s capital city)… does not have operation theatres with generator facilities… It is the 5th best medical collage in India… when doctors operate… 2 nurses stand on each side of the patient holding candles with wax fallin in..( dont worry hot wax is sterlized so there is no chance of infection..)
I m not jokin.. it is true.. so u see 5th most acclaimed collage of India has no generator facilities… And here we are blaming Doctors and privitisation… I would suggest Aamir khan to ask for inspection of government institutions and centres.. and the hell we guys face… and lastly I believe in UK and US local political goons dont beat doctors to death and strip them naked when a patient dies… But in India it is our day to day situation… And yes more commonly seen in metro cities..
Well i was recently on a distance relationship with my girlfriend from collage… but you know they never work… so it got over..Distance relationship is a lie we tell just before our collage ends… simply to lay with the girl on the last nite …. I guess.. Haha
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May 28, 2012 at 7:22 PM
That’s surpisingly primitive Shaurya
U r in form today
And thanks for educating us about ‘long distance relationships’.
Ps-don’t worry-u will soon have new girlffirends& nurses etc-high turn over rates ..lol
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May 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM
Like any other profession doctors want to earn outrageous amounts too – encouraged by the rich in the society.
So we have the super rich who don’t want to be **deprived of anything** tempting the doctors to cater more to them and their needs. Doctors are busy setting noses straight, making lips thicker, faces smooth, even making babies for them by hook or crook if they can’t have it the normal way.
Come on Amir – get off your high horse, and see where the ROOT of the problem is. None of the professions (let alone doctors) study and later practice for the sake of Nobleness and high ideals.
We had Manoj Kumar, trying to spread the message of doctors serving in villages through films which was highly acceptable, like the film Himalay Ki Godmein.
I think *this* message reached people more widely and in a nicer way without much blame and pointing of fingers.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:02 PM
Talking of medicines not being pure. That is the oldest form of corruption, and films have exposed ‘milawat’ with song and story several times in the last 100 years of Indian film industry.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Of course it changed nothng in spite of the message being spread along with awareness.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:10 PM
PS: The only gain here is to Amir with his sycophants putting him up on a higher and highr pedestal, with the over used word – BOLD.
Dev Anand even acted in a film on Family Planning called Ek Ke Baad EK. Where’s the boldness today?
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May 28, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Oldgold I’m really impressed
Is there ANY old film u haven’t seen?
did u start seeing them as a hobby recently…
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May 28, 2012 at 7:42 PM
Yes, it’s a recent hobby though I was born with a taste for them.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:08 PM
I was also thinking of this film! Chaand Si Mehbhooba is one of my favourite Mukesh songs.
Can’t agree with u bout Aamir here though – think he’s doing something admirable.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:03 PM
“Doctors are busy setting noses straight, making lips thicker, faces smooth, even making babies for them by hook or crook if they can’t have it the normal way.”-hahaha
So Oldgold incorporates a film apt to the theme-thanx
Btw OG -have u started seeing old films recently retrospectively few years ago?
How do u get old films to see…CDs or net?
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May 28, 2012 at 7:40 PM
DVDs *and* the net, as the link provided tells.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:35 PM
Completely agreed with Dr. Shaurya- well said sir, atleast u r represented our fraternity here in the right manner. as i am doing mbbs i see the condition of doctors first-hand. this episode showed doctors in bad light. does aamir know how fucking tough is it to crack a medical entrance exam in india when there r abt 1000 students competing for a single seat- u can check the facts, it is the toughest exam in india to get thru. i have suffered thru this before i got thru so i know the harsh truths.
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May 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM
Amir uses doctors (the ones he’s criticizing) to smooth away his wrinkles, build up his biceps as and when needed, make a baby for him, and go to them when he sneezes and pay a hefty sum.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:00 PM
That’s a really cheap shot about his baby. His wife had a miscarriage earlier and they were devastated. It’s fine to criticise his Botox and biceps but blaming him for conceiving a child through IVF when it is known that him and his wife have been through a traumatic past experience is too much.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:05 PM
No, it’s never too much. I expect the bar to be lowered with each episode.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM
Hmmm. Do you show as much sympathy for people deprived of not just babies, but other essential needs of life…like..say..food?? But of course, poor don’t feel the impact of traumas – their life can have one everyday, but no, how can the privileged face a trauma in their life?
My sympathies lie with traumas of other people.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:07 PM
Agreed with ami, ivf was essential in aamir’s case. and on his biceps, he built them by exercising and training
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May 28, 2012 at 8:20 PM
>when it is known that him and his wife have been through a traumatic past experience is too much.
That’s what I meant when I talked about the **rich not wanting to be deprived of anything**.
While I sympathise with a woman for such a traumatic experience, my point about the privilege of money in connection with doctors and their practices is valid – AND I STAND BY IT.
The repurcussions of this practice is another story for another day (just as with the useful and apparantly progressive sonography).
That there are several women in the same position, but unable to rectify their trauma explains further my point, that money speaks – for the rich – and not only doctors but every profession will be in conversation between them alone.
The problem here is the rich/poor divide.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:36 PM
Your point about the rich/poor divide is a valid one but statements like ‘even making babies for them by hook or crook if they can’t have it the normal way’ are in extremely poor taste, in my opinion. I’m not saying you shouldn’t criticise Aamir for what you perceive to be his faults- but a little sensitivity in such topics would not be amiss.
‘I sympathise with a woman for such a traumatic experience’
It must have been traumatic for Aamir as well- can you sympathise with that?
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May 28, 2012 at 8:47 PM
>It must have been traumatic for Aamir as well- can you sympathise with that?
At that time yes, but when you go ahead and do these things the impact is lost. One gets the picture of spoilt brats who want everything….who can buy what they want.
They could have adopted a child.
Everyone goes through traumatic experiences (including me) and how one handles them tells about the character.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:58 PM
But Ami is right here Oldgold.why shouldn’t a lady opt for ivf if it’s required. and why should someone be forced to adopt when,thru ivf, she can have her own child. on that note lemme tell u that some of sperm-banks r working in a very good condition- i,alongwith some friends, had donated for one such bank in mumbai, an yr back (not thinking of it as a noble deed, just did it for kicks)- now don’t ask me the procedure…LOL
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May 28, 2012 at 8:40 PM
If one wants to get all sentimental and maudlin and start talking about traumas and maternal instincts being deprived and all that, I will not get into any discussion regarding my view on this matter.
The discussion is about doctors, their practices, going to villages etc etc, and given that I spoke about the distractions the rich provide and the ‘baby’ example is ONE such, it should be taken as that instead of leading the discussion away into a different direction which has nothing to do with it.
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May 28, 2012 at 11:50 PM
@ Ami–agree completely, cheap shot. To my knowledge, Kiran has had more than one miscarriage, the widely reported one in 2009, and I think another less reported one a year or so into their marriage . Whatever, she was obviously desparte to have own biological child–and the couple have gone in for the available legal option–surrogate in-vitro motherhood. That’s their bloody business and no commenter on a website has any business going all moral about the issue and saying that could have adopted. I know plenty of childless couples who are trying to conceive their own biological child, eitrher normal way or in-vitro–and they do no wish to go in for adoption if they can help it. And I have no problem understanding these people–and they are not rich, mind you, just fairly comforatbly off Indians.
As for Aamir’s biceps and ‘botox’ or whatever–the latter is something he is said to have done to the extent needed–beyond a point it becomes counter-productive. One can easily note from the music videos of the show featuring Aamir, plus the early opening portions of the show, the bits that get repeated, his walk on the sands , all that….Aamir looks his age, so obviously anything invasive has been done minimally. And as for his biceps–the man has been dieting and working out since he finished 3 idiots; he does whatever is necessary to get the look right–having protein rich small meals through a day–an omlette-brown bread combo or a spoonfull of raw egg every hour–he has been on such specialized diets right from his Ghajini preparation days.
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May 29, 2012 at 12:13 AM
All this stuff about his diet, it’s there in media pieces. Aamir does not look like somebody on steroids, just somebody on a special diet, supervised by a doctor.
In fact Aamir has mentioned this dietician-doctor, one Dr. Dhurandhar , quite well-known in Mumbai, with many clients. So, it is not exactly right to say that Aamir is anti-doctor.
As as for SJ episode number 4–NO, never does it ever imply that doctors are evil–Aamir in fact starts each show with the statement that the intention is not to put people in the dock, indict them, but to present to the public facts that need to be addressed, not pushed under a carpet of apathy and indifference. And Aamir starts off episode 4 by saying that doctors in India hold the position of bhagwan, that is the respect a doctor inspires. Yet, of late there have been plenty of recorded cases where doctors have been far from bhagwans…..each family has its own horror story, an unnecessary death, an unnecessary operation with life-long consequences (yours truly, in fact)—the episode was well thought out, presented, with doctors and medical students all given a platformn to speak up. All the episode did was to re-iterate a valid point–India’s health care system stinks, SOME doctors are the bad apples, while there are many doctors continuously and quietly doing good work. Medicines have become unaffordable even for the middle class, leave alone the poor–and yes inexpensive generic medicines, a govt sponsored non-fraudulent medical insurance–all these are needed; our govt needs to spend much more than a measly 1.5 % of GDP on healthcare–where is Aamir saying anything wrong.
This was one of the best episodes; Aamir’s column on health care makes perfect sense; nothing special, just facts stated in a simple straight-forward manner; even doctors have appreciated the show and his column.
But of course you also also have this campaign against Aamir the villian–doctors and medical students busy rubbishing him on fb and twitter. What a situation–so Aamir risks all to do a tv show that speaks about uncomfortable truths—and loses plenty of fans in the process, a possibility he must be well aware of.
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May 29, 2012 at 4:18 AM
Don’t think poor oldgold meant in it in a ‘bad’ sense, folks..
She meant well..
“Everyone goes through traumatic experiences (including me) and how one handles them tells about the character.”
Hmm …
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May 29, 2012 at 6:07 AM
Alex, I meant exactly what I said. You shouldn’t dilute my comments with such superficial remarks.
There is no ‘bad sense’ in this. THhe bad sense lies in the thinking of the thinker about my opinion, without weighing and analysing such an opinion (one doesn’t have to agree), and jumping in to defend their hero.
I repeat. It ‘is’ a hook or crook method.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:17 AM
LS- ‘I know plenty of childless people who are trying to conceive their own biological child.’
This is why the comment upset me so much- a relative who I am very close to had 2 miscarriages before having a child through IVF. I know the amount of trauma she went through earlier and how much the IVF transformed her life.
It’s such a universal, even primal desire for people to want their own biological children- and to harshly condemn parents who have been through terrible experiences and use the aid of technology when nature fails them by calling them things like spoilt brats and crooked is just down right offensive.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:27 AM
I’m responding because it indirectly addresses, even quotes my opinion.
I am harsh and will remain so. I think people have to accept the truth just as blind, deaf, mute, deformed, and others do it.
Just as orphans learn to live without parents, and hungry learn to live with the amount of food they get.
Indulging in self pity is not something I admire.
It is as truamatic as many other things. A couple of my acquaintance found alternative ways to find life fulfilling – one being adoption.
This trying to out do nature is getting out of hands.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:29 AM
OG’s comment is for a specific person. As he cannot comment for that specific person, he generalised it.
It is not man but a woman bears the brunt of being called childless or banj. What is wrong if a woman wants to remove that tag and also get some personal happiness out of having her own child? The doctor is not doing free service afterall.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:33 AM
>OG’s comment is for a specific person
No, it isn’t.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:35 AM
>It is not man but a woman bears the brunt of being called childless or banj.
Don’t see the connection here, but…whatever.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:57 AM
OG- so if a deaf person can undergo an operation to get their hearing restored then you’re saying they shouldn’t? If someone has an eyesight issue they should just accept it and not get glasses because the doctor’s time could be better used somewhere else right? And if an orphan gets an adoption offer then they should refuse it because they just have to accept their parentless status? Isn’t all of tha trying to ‘outdo nature’ as well?
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May 29, 2012 at 7:07 AM
I think you know the difference between giving back the sight, the hearing etc. and pandering to egos of wanting their very own custom made baby.
It’s clear that people want to seem progressive and support these things. I don’t. So I’m not getting into this discussion anymore.
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May 29, 2012 at 7:09 AM
YES!! Child getting adopted is what I’m talking about, isn’t it?
No ones trying to make biological parents for them, are they?
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May 29, 2012 at 7:12 AM
Ok lemme settle this debate. i am studying medical (though i am still not technically a doctor) and i can safely say oldgold that no doctor considers ivf as a waste of time. my mother is a gynaecologist and obstetrician and she too does not find it a waste of time. i am extremely sure dr. shaurya and graduate too have the same views as me. now i may be an asshole but all others can’t be so stupid, right.and if doctors don’t find doing ivf a waste of time, why the hell should someone else care. i second Ami
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May 29, 2012 at 7:28 AM
‘pandering to the egos of wanting their very own custom baby’
Desire for a biological child is the most natural thing in the world- what on earth is so egositic about it? And I brought up regaining hearing only because you mentioned it- you’re contradicting your own logic now- you’re the one who says that deaf/ blind people accept their fate- so people who cannot have a child should accept their fate too- now you’re saying that actually regaining hearing is a different thing.
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May 29, 2012 at 8:12 AM
I’m not contradicting myself. You are the one trying to make a cut and dry issue of it.
Anyway NOT ALL deaf, mute, blind get their senses back with medical help.
Wanting your own child is a natural desire, but when it isn’t possible one shouldn’t make a mockery of it.
Adopt!!!!
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May 29, 2012 at 8:33 AM
Oldgold and Sanjana in form today..
In these subjects better for guys to take a ‘back’ seat 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 8:37 AM
“Wanting your own child is a natural desire, but when it isn’t possible one shouldn’t make a mockery of it.”
How is surrogacy a mockery? It is not that A.K *did* it with someone else to have a baby as some people have gone that route too. In fact one person with maid, wife-maid willingly…. now that would be mockery. 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM
Lol Di @ “did it”!!
Perhaps thats the key? Is it … 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 8:40 AM
To reduce the show on medical malpractice and doc-drug nexus down to A.K’s surrogacy or his alleged steroid intake..yada..yada, is height of dislike for A.K. That is serious digression folks. Don’t get personal..focus on the topic 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Believe me–if Aamir had not talked about it openly–the surrogate parenthood bit that he needed to have, so his wife would feel fulfilled as a mother–some commenters here would not be so outraged at the prospect of ivf-surrogacy. Adoption is a good option, but many do not take it up for their own valid reasons.– which are to be respected. Wanting your own biological child–nothing wrong in that. And ivf-surrogate parenthood is legal, so no parent can be put in the dock for it.
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May 29, 2012 at 9:00 AM
>down to A.K’s surrogacy or his alleged steroid
First of all I’m talking in general, but if you have Amir on mind, I can’t help it.
The reason for bringing this up – I repeat – is that as long as there are rich people who want to have their forms/faces changed, and need doctors to keep them provided with anything they might miss out on – then one can’t expect them to opt for any less paying branches.
Now, if people want to take up the issue I bring up, to discuss it in detail, even if one is digressing – don’t blame me.
I said from the beginning we are getting diverted, and opted out of this discussion earlier.
….and now you have joined in 😉
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May 28, 2012 at 7:47 PM
Alex, had too much of caffeine or what? 🙂 From writing a heartfelt tribute to SRK, to commenting on medical profession in India, to discussion about cricket, while maintaining conversations with multiple SS members you’re on a roll!!
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May 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM
Haha matrix-need a ‘break’ now
Am addicted to multitasking lol
Err maybe will take Oldgold for some ‘auditions’ & screen tests …
Gud nite folks
Over to matrix and others to ‘carry on up the jungle’ 😉
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May 28, 2012 at 7:57 PM
And guys keep posting links where stuff is written in a manner which presents doctors as some monsters of kaiju films- i just hope people who r writing such stuff must not be ever visiting doctors bcos according to them we people r akin to rapists. now here i am not ranting against aamir. it’s a damn good show but i had just hoped that the last episode would not have been as one-sided as it was. though yes i completely agree that some medicos have lost all moral ethics in order to mint money
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May 28, 2012 at 8:04 PM
To be fair- Aamir did show that the system itself is so corrupt that it’s impossible for a doctor to be completely honest and make a living- he had the interview with the doctor from Wales who had to leave because it wasn’t possible for him to work in India without giving commission. And even the laboratory owner admitted that he used to give commissions and perform fraudulent tests in the past- and Aamir did not judge him for it.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Ami, it’s great that u r being fair to Aamir but it wouldn’t be such a bad idea if u r fair to people from this ‘shitty profession’ too (but then i forget we r the worst kinds of people). here i am not exactly against what aamir showed in the episode but i am against what people interpret from it- some of the stuff in these links is plain hyperbole and gives a wrong picture. first doctors were made the villains after the female foeticide episode and now again after this. go ahead guys, lynch all of us
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May 28, 2012 at 8:24 PM
Saurabh- I don’t think that anyone is accusing all doctors of being frauds- even if you look at the first segment of this episode Aamir had a couple of idealistic young men talk about why they decided to become doctors- the idea was clearly to show that they are not saying that all doctors are bad but there are some rotten ones who are ruining the system.
And so many different people were criticised in the female feoticide epsiode- not just doctors- the judges, government, parents, in-laws were all pointed out as culprits as well. I don’t think that anyone is going to start hating/ suspecting all doctor just because of this show.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM
Well Ami, as i said i am not against the show/episode but i fear how some people manipulate such things to attack doctors. And Ami, not everyone is as wise and level-headed as u, there r people who get incited by such stuff.now i hardly like this profession but being in it,whether u believe it or not, i do know some stuff which u or aamir may not be knowing. and these doctors who r indulging in such crimes r the worst kind of offenders.
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May 28, 2012 at 8:45 PM
And Ami let us not behave as if we r blind- u have seen so many links posted on the blog which talk abt crimes of doctors?now how many links r there which have something nice to say abt doctors? do u think this is fair at all. now do u get me, when people behave like this, it scares me. i never believe in this thing that doctors r gods but we r not the worst human beings too.we r as good or bad as any other professionals. just that stakes of expected moral behaviour for us is always kept much higher
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May 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM
To lighten up the mood here, here’s a nice tweet:
“By creating more beautiful women than handsome men, God has definitley proved that he is fucking Straight.”
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May 28, 2012 at 10:41 PM
The way world functions in fans of filmworld is to lower the bar when they are supporting their stars and make it highest when talking abount anyone else 🙂
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May 29, 2012 at 12:48 AM
Doctors become insensitive naturally. They cut dead bodies and living bodies. They deal with sick people all the time?! And they have to pour lakhs if not crores to pursue medical education, Have to please professors to get through. And then recover the money, investment as soon as possible to keep the parents happy. Amidst all this, where is the time for them to really care for the patients? They are pestered by medical representatives day and night. They are nagged by their wives and girlfriends to give them time.
They see how ugly humans are really and how ugly their teeth look when they open their mouths to the dentists. The superstars look like mass of bones. The politicians look like mounds of flesh. Inspite of all this gruesomeness they are subjected, they enjoy their lives and also smiles at their patients. Due to internet, many patients know more about their diseases, symptoms, different medicines, side effects etc. and they try to question doctors which makes many doctors see red. They endup saying are you or me, the doctor?
I think it is Kiran who wanted a child of her own badly and as a doting husband, Aamir could not say no. Why Aamir would like to have more children?
Next I would like to see lawyers are taken to task. They are no less.
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May 29, 2012 at 1:15 AM
I avoid going to doctors and take medicines directly from the chemist for minor ailments. Dentist is inevitable and all my dentists were and are quite friendly and tolerated me. I suspect they must be laughing secretly and commenting how I looked with mouth open and hands clenched.
There are old fashioned MBBS and some quacks who give multicolored tablets to impress the undereducated and scare away the educated.
There are specialists who know that only eyes or tongue exist.
And there are cosmetic surgeons whom all our filmstars visit.
There are gynics who advice caesarians for all their patients.
There are busy doctors and they are lonely doctors. The latter are so happy to see the face of one patient and they dont let go. If there are no diseases what doctors will do? They have to invent diseases and scare us with tales of swine flu.
Bernard Shaw’s doctors Dilemma, Arthur Hailey’s Final diagnosis and some other books by professionals turned writers throw some light.
And there are some doctor jokes.
Patients are goldmine. Diseases are treasurehouses.
One’s pain is doctor’s gain.
Why it takes so many years to prescribe anacin or crocin?
Chemists are disguised doctors.
Why doctors wear stethoscope and white coats? To fulfil their parents dream of having a doctor in the house.
Why surgeons need masks? So that patients cant identify them if something goes wrong.
Why god is jealous of doctors? Obvious.
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May 29, 2012 at 2:54 AM
@ Sanjana–both comments are really interesting–and funny.
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May 29, 2012 at 4:15 AM
Haha
Just read these comments on the go
Really innocent and earnest
And have lots of interesting personal insight
Seems a close relative of yours maybe boyfriend(s) is a doctor -so u know both pros and cons 😉
Maybe u r a doctor yourselves …
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May 29, 2012 at 6:00 AM
@LS
>@ Ami–agree completely, cheap shot
LOL. Birds of a feather flocking together eh?
I *do* think of this method as getting a baby by hook or crook. It *is* my opinion, and my words express my extremely strong feelings against such ego trips, let alone the fact that doctors have to be trained to do this instead of spending time more usefully.
Too bad I don’t comment according to your likings. 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 6:16 AM
AS for getting that body by exercise and diet!!! Believe it if you want, but facts are you CANNOT get such a body in a matter of few a months.
There was an article posted once on the blog about it.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:24 AM
So Oldgold, if u believe IVF is wrong, then according to u even being a surrogate mother must be wrong bcos even that must be ‘hook/crook for u’- what weird logic. IVF is one the best medical techniques to have happened to mankind- and we doctors do not consider learning IVF as waste of time. And trust me, adoption is not a replacement for IVF. i completely agree with LS and Ami
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May 29, 2012 at 6:29 AM
A very BIG…YES!!!!
Wait till this becomes a business.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:31 AM
THen Amir will go on TV to condemn gangs which kidnap women to become surrogate mothers, and Loksabha will pass a bill, thanks to Amir for his good work.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:02 AM
My first point comes out of frustation… so ignore it..
1. I didnt become doctor to be your so called Bhagwan… no one becomes a doctor for that… I am a doctor… so dat i could earn a lot more then an engineer… Dont make me a fuckin Demi god…. coz u dont treat me like one when I m off duty..
2. And please dont compare Indian doctors with UK and US ones… I think we all know wat hefty bloody amount they earn when compared to us in India. They dont need ways to earn money. We need.
Patients in UK an US dont refuse to pay you after operations… they dont call local politicos to reduce the operation fees. They pay with honesty wat they are asked to…कभी इंडिया में फीस ले कर देखो.. we dont have any option aside asking for money in advance… coz we know once the patient dies we wont be paid… and we dont treat from our pockets.
3. इंसान हैं… हमे इंसान रेहने दो… भगवान बनने का हमें शौक नहीं.. मत बनाओ
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May 29, 2012 at 6:11 AM
And also when a patient dies, the relatives dont vandalize the hospitals and try to kill the doctors and nurses.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:16 AM
LOL Sanjana. but on a serious note, you (along with my fav Ami) have been making the most sensible and valid comments when all of us,at some points, r going overboard. cheers
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May 29, 2012 at 6:17 AM
>इंसान हैं… हमे इंसान रेहने दो… भगवान बनने का हमें शौक नहीं.. मत बनाओ
Hope Amir would follow these sentiments, but he’s busy having his cake and eating it too.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:11 AM
Dr. Shaurya- sir, not only that, if the patient dies due to any reason, the entire fault is on us doctors
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May 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM
Take life and accident insurance.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:38 AM
Three member committee detects flaws in admission to Medical PG & MBBS courses in AP
http://pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=69252&sid=1
A Raju, Hyderabad
Tuesday, May 29, 2012, 08:00 Hrs [IST]
The three-member committee, formed by Government of Andhra Pradesh to probe into allegations of sale of PG and MBBS seats in private medical colleges against norms, has detected some grave irregularities and flaws in the admission system.
Earlier, the Medical Council of India (MCI) had received complaints against the private colleges regarding illegal selling of MBBS seats even before the Eamcet (Engineering and Medical Common Entrance Test) admission test is conducted. Taking a serious note of this situation the MCI has asked the state government to enquire into the complaints over the sale of MBBS and PG seats by private medical colleges in the state under management quota for the current and previous academic years(2011-12 & 2012-13).
Taking this in to view, the state government had constituted a three member inquiry committee last week to probe into the allegations. The committee was headed by Dr K Vishnu Prasad, director of medical colleges. A part from the director it constituted three principals from government medical colleges as members.
Having analysed and inquired about various procedures of admissions of MBBS and PG medical seats under management quota in private colleges, the committee had detected many irregularities of the system.
Initially the committee had focused on the sale of PG medical seats in the state and found that the admission applications issued by managements to students were equal to the number of seats available in the colleges. This has clearly proved beyond doubt that the managements issued applications only after admissions were confirmed and denied applications to other eligible students according to the norms.
The committee recommended that NTR University of Health Sciences, which is the regulator of medical colleges in the state, that it should direct 19 private medical colleges involved in irregularities to invite fresh applications through the online mode to ensure transparency.
There are about 750 PG medical seats and 1,220 MBBS seats available under management quota in 23 private medical colleges across the state. It is believed that the private medical college managements have earned nearly Rs.610 crore last year through donations, by selling one MBBS seat for around Rs.50 lakh and one PG seat for up to Rs.1.5 crore.
According to existing norms, each private medical colleges in the state is entitled to fill 40 per cent of their seats under the management quota on their own, but they should follow the set rules and regulations and adhere to merit with transparency.
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May 29, 2012 at 6:43 AM
Dr. Devi Shetty bats for infra status of healthcare
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/dr-devi-shetty-bats-for-infra-statushealthcare_652090.html
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May 29, 2012 at 6:50 AM
Y dont you present the stats for engineering and MBA seats…. I guess they are all guinine… And how do you think private collages sustain themself without govt. aid… this useless ranting wont do any good…
And as far as rates are concerned… they are exaggerated.. most expensive seat is Radiology (90 lakhs)… not 1.5 crores… and MBBS seats are 12 to 15 lakhs not 50 lakhs…
There are 15 thousand private MBBS seats…. and 82 THOUSAND private engineering seats in INDIA….
Y dont u probe on them….
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May 29, 2012 at 6:56 AM
Completely agree with Dr. Shaurya. engineering colleges r mushrooming up like shops these days. and radiology seat is the most expensive. also no one is talking abt how tough is it to get thru an mbbs exams these days considering the reservation and corruption- they should ask us
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May 29, 2012 at 7:10 AM
My father is a heart surgeon. My sister, a psychiatrist. My brother-in-law is an eye surgeon. My aunt is a paediatrician and my uncle, a dermatologist. All have studied from reputed colleges (some from CMC & AIIMS). I have a few cousins who’ve studied/are studying medicine as well. I almost got disowned by my family for not choosing medicine as a career, so you guys have to trust me that I know something about this profession.
I don’t find anything shown in this episode to be insensitive or wrong. This isn’t a cheap publicity stunt – this is harsh reality. And whoever says that the medical profession isn’t full of blood-leeching low lives is committing an act of treason.
I’m very disappointed to read that doctors aren’t supposed to be demi-gods, especially in a country like India. My father started open heart surgery in the state of MP (in a Government hospital) and had to charge poor people 6000 Rs for the heart valve. That’s it – an open heart surgery for 6000 bucks!
I’ve seen with my own eyes ordinary people falling at my father’s feet, in a crowded market place sometimes, just because he had operated them earlier. To say that I was touched would be an understatement. I wouldn’t have mentioned all of this except for the fact that I’m extremely proud of my dad’s work. I’ve seen from first-hand experience how the poor literally worship doctors!
And because of that, I judged all doctors in the same way. I couldn’t have been more wrong. I’ve had personal experiences in Delhi and Bangalore where my whole faith was shaken to the core. Some of these so-called “specialists” are worse than prostitutes. They don’t have any semblance of empathy…virtually no soul. It’s one thing to be materialistic and desirous of worldly possessions, it’s another thing to steal kidneys in order to get there.
On that note, anyone who criticizes Aamir for SMJ needs to be outlawed; banished from the social order. If one needs to live as part of a society, one needs to have basic empathy…and at least a semblance of moral values!
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May 29, 2012 at 9:14 AM
>anyone who criticizes Aamir for SMJ needs to be outlawed; banished from the social order.
I’m so frightened now. *shivering in my boots*
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May 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM
Here here Saket!
But much of the resentment for the show is not for the show. It’s for the anchor. Simple as that. Which is fine. That can be seen through by anyone with half a brain. And if that person has half a brain, tough, that person has half a brain and shouldn’t try anything to get that half brain to be a full one cos they are born with it.
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May 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM
“And if that person has half a brain, tough, that person has half a brain and shouldn’t try anything to get that half brain to be a full one cos they are born with it.”
ROFL!
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May 29, 2012 at 6:21 PM
So now you’ve arrived for some reinforcement?
Reinforcements for attacking someone with half a brain?
That too with such full brained intelligent wit!!
Ab mera kya hoga???
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May 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Cool it folks–think its a bit inappropriate to ‘gang up’ against poor Oldgold like this
As a girl/woman, she is well within her right to express her lack of support for ‘artificial’ stuff like ivf –
One may or may not agree but can’t deny her the right of freedom of expression…
Also calling her ‘half brain’ etc is err not exactly right…
And she seems to be the new ‘miss dabang’ who likes to say what she feels , irrespective of opposition 😉
bravo -keep up the spirit…
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May 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM
I missed this comment.
>lack of support for ‘artificial’ stuff like ivf –
You make my objection sound so trite. There are principles, philosophies, and far sightedness involved in this opinion of mine.
You shouldn’t dilute my comments like this.
>poor Oldgold
I’m not.
But thank you for ‘seeming’ to support my opinion 😉
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May 31, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Correction:
NOT ‘support my opinion’;
BUT
‘support my right to express it’
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May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM
Good point Sanjana
Oldgold -no need for thanking me
I look after my ‘actors’ lol
“There are principles, philosophies, and far sightedness involved in this opinion of mine.”
Pray tell us about that deep philosophy oldgold 🙂
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May 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM
But much of the resentment for the show is not for the show. It’s for the anchor. Simple as that.
Well said.
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May 31, 2012 at 8:53 AM
Fancy words and expressions don’t necessarily mean ‘right’.
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May 29, 2012 at 9:47 PM
I was about to post a comment on how ordinary people and poor folks hold doctors in high esteem in India for saving their lives. Saket you beat me to it.
While there is no denying that with the mushrooming of private hospitals who charge exbortitant rates which even middle class Indians find difficult to pay and t here are doctors who rot the system, still doctors are much revered in India for working in difficult conditions and doing their best to treat people and save lives. It is only in India where you will find doctors finding the time to have a kind word to a patient or their relative while doing their busy hospital rounds. I am sharing this from personal experience as my mom (due to age) was hospitalised and i spent some time observing this. In fact one or two doctors humoured my mom by visiting her room after their rounds to say hello and talk to me (looks like she has been sharing stuff with them). Doctors know that more than medicines sparing some time to listen to a person will lighten them up and speed up their recovery. It is only in India that you don’t find doctors dismissive of old people sharing their stories. Having lived overseas for several years now, I can also share some horrifying stories of how the more advanced and ethical medical system can fail patients too.
Dr Shaurya, Saurabh & Co – hats off to you guys for being in such a difficult profession and doing your best.
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May 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM
Not just ordinary folks. I think they get respect from all strata of society. My mom’s G.P (doc) doesn’t charge her a dime for last several years (even though she can pay and she is embarrassed that he doesn’t charge)…this can happen only in India. And also one cardiologist came out of O.T. and told the family in waiting room that the patient needed more stent or more bypass and it will now cost more, “so what do you want me to do”. !?!?!. This too can only happen in India. Why didn’t the episode focus on India being thriving place for foreigners to come in for cheap surgeries such as knee/hip replacement or morgues in India. IMO with episode 4, SMJ has taken a sort of “new” turn. Till now the evil/enemy was within each of us. Now he is picking professions…soon it will be real estate agents, lawyers, engineers. He should definitely do an episode on bad roads/infrastructure and public (lack of) toilets in india 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 7:20 AM
Saket u r missing the point.( btw same here, i myself got thru CMC Ludhiana (not Vellore)- my dad is an orthopaedic surgeon, my mom a gynaec, my mama a general physician- i never liked the profession but sadly for me i was able to crack the entrance exams of Maharashtra and uttarakhand)-i, for one,is not criticising aamir’s show- what i am against is some of the OTT reactions of people, who r not able to comprehend the show, and r villifying the entire medical community
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May 29, 2012 at 7:49 AM
There are bound to be extreme reactions in India. There’s also the certainty that people will forget and move on in a couple of weeks. The problem will not be solved; the inhuman practices will continue.
Unless and until the whole middle class becomes deprived, financially, there will be no revolution in India. So relax, Saurabh. This isn’t so much to worry about.
As far as I’m concerned, the worrying thing is that people even “try” to justify greed, in a profession like medicine.
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May 29, 2012 at 7:51 AM
“The worrying thing is that people even “try” to justify greed, in a profession like medicine.”
Well said Saket.
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May 29, 2012 at 8:22 AM
Thanx for the interesting points folks
Keep it up
Will catch up later today maybe
Ps-is surrogate motherhood common in India? Think rules are different
Have heard down Europeansmulling over te indian option due to relative ‘ease’ , economic reasons as less ‘paperwork’
Any ideas
Also in terms of ivf and surrogacy, think the will and opinions of the female matter more due to obvious reasons
-so blokes shouldn’t argue there 🙂
Bak to work
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May 29, 2012 at 9:02 AM
saket is right saurabh – on the show, aamir didn’t make any general statement about the doctors – he praised those who are doing good job – you are totally worked up just because some ugly reality from your profession has come out – all these things (and worse) in medical profession do happen – and spitting venom against aamir/smj will not take away anything from that – be a sport – accept what was presented in a balanced way.
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May 29, 2012 at 9:06 AM
“and spitting venom against aamir/smj will not take away anything from that”- man, when did i spit venpm against the show, i am all for the show. what i do have a f’ing problem with is the way people, without thinking, are reacting against the entire tribe of doctors as if we are the worst kind of humans
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May 29, 2012 at 10:18 AM
🙂 chill saurabh
“against the entire tribe of doctors” – but that’s what I’m saying – when did this happen on the show? no one said anything against the entire tribe….
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May 29, 2012 at 8:26 AM
On a lighter note-an irritated medic friend told me today–” when is aamir doing an episode on illegal illegitimate kids n their fate’
Chief guest -Jessica hines
C’mon aamir fans-just passin on the message from sown angry medics
Ps-know some medics in Europe (non indian) at close quarters -they work bloody ‘hard’ 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 8:29 AM
जिन महान आत्माओं को खुजली मच रही है समाज सुधार की…
I have a question for them.. Where were you when Mandal Commission and congress spitted on the face of every hard working Student by imposing RESERVATION..
Capitation is on same lines with reservation..एक के पास जात का फायदा है.. दूसरे के पास पैसे का..
If privatisation is producing below par doctors… Then reservation is producing much worse doctors… In a profession where you are handelling human lives… how can you allow some reserved quota person..
क्या आमिर खान उन गरीब और मेहनती बच्चों कि समस्या नही बतायेंगे…. who are suffering day and night becouse of reservation in medical education…
No he wont… You know y… becouse his own community is asking for 9% reservation now… and he cant allow himself to be outcasted
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May 29, 2012 at 1:33 PM
It is the same way with auto mechanics in USA. They don’t have license or training many times. When we go with our car, they find 100 faults, scare us and ultimately rip us by doing unwanted/unneeded repair work and/or replacing with older/refurbished parts sometimes charging us way more than what is needed. It is better to let the car die on road than to take it to a repair shop or just buy a new one 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 11:56 PM
That is so true..But then cars and lives 🙂
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May 30, 2012 at 8:11 AM
tongue in cheek tha….
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May 29, 2012 at 8:34 AM
“जिन महान आत्माओं को खुजली मच रही है समाज सुधार की…
I have a question for them.. Where were you when Mandal Commission and congress spitted on the face of every hard working Student by imposing RESERVATION..
Capitation is on same lines with reservation..एक के पास जात का फायदा है.. दूसरे के पास पैसे का..
If privatisation is producing below par doctors… Then reservation is producing much worse doctors… In a profession where you are handelling human lives… how can you allow some reserved quota person..”
So true Sir, I completely agree with u. Because of this fucking reservation i could not get thru JIPMER and had to drop a year after 12th. Similar thing happened to me in CPMT
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May 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Do you HAVE to use “F” words so blatantly!!!!! Seems like every other comment of yours has it 😦
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May 29, 2012 at 8:56 AM
Saurabh….when you become doctor, I wouldn’t want to be your patient. For I know during your study days, instead of studying you were on movie blogs all day long. lolz
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May 29, 2012 at 9:03 AM
Di, I did not get thru the entrance exam without studying or do not pass my semester exams without studying 🙂 I am having a very relaxed schedule till July so getting all the time
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May 29, 2012 at 8:59 AM
Ok, if u r saying so, i will make sure I would not use it 🙂 . But i don’t think i ever used an f word referring to anyone here
“Seems like every other comment of yours has it”- do not think my every 2nd comment has an F word
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May 29, 2012 at 1:29 PM
To people who feel that Aamir is doing this tv show solely for money–here are some tweets from an smj-aamir circle insider ( Agam Anand) on twitter–
Sacrifices that Aamir Khan did for Satyamev Jayate :Aamir (AKP) spent 32 cr in d making,research n promotions of SMJ.
Aamir ended the contracts with 6 brands worth Rs. 116 cr.
Aamir Paid 23 cr to the brands as a penalty of the breach of contract.
In return he will get 46 cr (3.5 cr per episode)from Star plus,which also includes the pay of AKP team of around 500 members.
Delayed the 45 cr most awaited film of 2012,Talaash
We never said that Satyamev jayate is a perfect show,its an honest effort thats it : Aamir Khan.
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May 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM
aamir khan himself said he never ended any contract but for next 3 months he won’t do them(well he is also earning heft money from show)…that says it all
new one is aamir spending on show suppose if it is true t(means he is getting big shares of advertisement which have been going on ) that again is itself contradictory when mr khan himself says he is getting 3.5 cr for each episode
pure bull shit
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May 30, 2012 at 12:06 AM
where? Any links rockstar?
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?280889
There are whispers about your charging Rs 3 crore per episode for a show on serious social issues…
I never discuss my fee. But since you asked I am getting Rs 3.5 crore per episode. Firstly what I get is none of anyone’s business. Main apni mehnat ki kama aur khaa raha hoon. [I am earning and enjoying the benefits of my hard-work]. I am not doing anything wrong. Main izzat se, achchaa kaam karke roti kama raha hoon aur mujhe fakr hai is baat ka [I am honourably, by doing good work, earning my bread, and I am proud of it]. Secondly to clear the misconception this amount includes the cost of the episode also. The bulk of the money goes into the cost and some of the episodes may have overshot the amount. Thirdly, I have endorsements deals of about Rs 100-125 crore per year. I have stopped them for a year while the show is on. There’s no logic in the decision, it’s purely emotional. But tell me who has ever said no to Rs 100 crore for a cause?
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May 30, 2012 at 2:51 AM
THis giving up 100cr for doing SJ is just being coloured differently by him.
When stars give up roles in a film due to date problems would not that also count as having given up (don’t know how many crores) for another film?
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May 30, 2012 at 3:07 AM
there may be some exaggeration in numbers (no one is auditng what people are saying) but if he really wanted to earn he could easily do more movies .If you are making Dhobi Ghat, you know from onset that you are not going to make Ghajini money?
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May 30, 2012 at 7:25 AM
The difference is that they are paid the same amount for the films they actually do. No one can do every film they want, there are always date issues. But Aamir actually does very few films. he could do a lot more! and actually he’s done relatively few films for at least 15 years. From the mid-90s onwards he never had that much. In this past decade he’s sometimes done one film in two years. But even for stars who do more films, say Abhishek who shoots back to back and is never really free, they can’t suddenly do as many films as they want. So it’s not really sacrificing anything. There are only 24 hrs in a day and only so much is possible! But even when a film cannot be done here and there for date issues or whatever that is very different from forgoing a massive 100 crores or more. No star loses out on so much by missing a few films!
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May 31, 2012 at 9:23 AM
so 13 episode amouunts to 3 months and so much of self boasting
btw saint ji is brand ambassador of cola(along with many cricketers and celebs) and this along with pepsi was rejected by guys like gopichand and vishwanathan annand for having harmful content for kids
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May 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Haha… biggest joke I have ever heard of…. Jai ho Swami Aamir ji ki…
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May 29, 2012 at 2:14 PM
Think Aamir is deifnitely no angel (and why should he be one)
but he is better in certain things (use the word ‘conscientious’ for him ad nauseum)
i would give him the benefot of doubt if he is confirming the abovie financial ddcisions himself…
As for medics and medical students–have great regards for them
Infact some of my close friends were med students recently..
(and a couple are my ‘music teachers’ nowadays and hot onez @ that 🙂
My observation is that the ‘focus’ that is inherently required for medics also sort of ‘isolates’ them from ‘normal activities’ in a certain way–their ‘world’ seems relatively insularsomewhat
Here im talking about the majority ones ..came across in europe and america
Not saying that they become ‘social outcasts’ or ‘cacooned’ but the ‘technicality’ gets the better than them
The same difference one can see between an engineering whizkid and the same person post engineering MBA–the latter has a much broader ‘horizon’ of thinking and has got over his ‘technicality’ rather than the other way around….
here im talking about the majority ive come across and not includng the likes of minor who seems to be interested in everything under the sun (in a good way) or dr shaurya ‘who uses double condoms’ (!!) haha
ps-saket thankx for introducing your uncles, aunts, bros , sisters, their maternal uncles etc –good to know they are all docs–u r in a ‘safe hands’ 🙂
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May 29, 2012 at 3:53 PM
haha Alex, now that we’re into generalizing and stereotyping, let me tell you an MBA – someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing….not exactly a person with broad horizon, ehh? 🙂
PS: Was just bantering, hope no MBAs will take offense.
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May 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM
haha
we are talking about MBAs who do so AFTER a ‘technical’ ‘professional’ qualification like engg, even medicine et al..to round off an already shining cv
and not talking about the ‘MBAs’ who do it as a qulaification of ‘last resort’ 🙂
not propping one against another–just some observations (which are not true for all but most)
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May 29, 2012 at 2:31 PM
talking of aamirs conscientious quality–
a person who reminds me of him in a strange way is indian batsman rahoul dravid…
Saw him in close quarters during nets at kent county club few years ago–he was the ‘overseas senior pro player’ !!(dabbling with county cricket myself occasionally on amateur basis)–
being younger than him, we occasional amateur ones supposedly ‘looked upto him’ in an unsaid unspoken manner…
even during practice, few times he did ‘badly’–he was quite ‘unsettled’..
On one occasion, watched him closely –sort of ‘meditating’ and in a very quiet sort of way..
there are no mobs , no ‘fanfare’ as such for these players outside india..
Have seen him practisiing his stance, taking guard etc and other ‘basic trivia’ in his own quiet way for ages..
Dont think he has been exceptionally talented (though is above average talent wise)–but its the ‘application’ that set him apart..
The next season was perhaps his best wherein he set the test scene ablaze with better performances on faster pitches than the flat ones at his backyard…
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May 29, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Alex u know talent in cricket is often mis-understood. for me a talented cricketer is not the one who gets a paddle-scoop right once in 5 turns but the one who can play a cover drive/pull perfectly 8 out of 10 times- so dravid is definitely talented. if former would have been the case ‘douglas marrilier’ would have the most talented cricketer around
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May 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM
nobody can reach dravids tally of test runs or face the number of test balls that hes faced without talent..
Its a question of the proportion of talent vs application in an algorithm wherein the latter is NOT credited in a ‘dreogatory’ manner than the former..
This discussion has happened before
and perhaps saket (i think) has some memories 🙂
Like dravid myself a lot but one has to see his ‘progression’ over the initial few years to see how much of that ‘inborn’ talent had to be honed…
Its a slightly different story about someone like Verender Sehwag (in the indian context!)
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May 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM
I think it’s always a mistake to suppose that there can be great talent without great application. No one can do it just on auto-pilot. I of course see where you’re coming from. Obviously there’s a difference between Dravid and Sachin in the sense that to the latter the game comes much more instinctively. Nonetheless the application is still required and specially after a certain age when the physical abilities start slowing down a fraction. Here I’ve always felt that off-peak Sachin is as good an index to his supreme talent as the peak figure. Because in just about any game/sport you scale the truest Olympian heights only when you can make those off-peak adjustments and still remain extraordinary. But you’re right in that for some players it’s more acquired than not (of course assuming an essential talent level). the problem with Sehwag is a different one. Here you have the very gifted, instinctive player who has minimal capacity for adjustment. You can become a dominating batsman this way but it takes that other side to become one for the ages. Not to say his skill set is anything like Sachin’s. And here I should say that I dislike the whole stat-obsessed Americanization of sports and certainly cricket. Not because I don’t find these numbers useful but the intangibles are often missed this way (even if these stats operate with the pretense that event he intangibles can be accounted for using all sorts of quirky comparisons and so on). Steve Waugh once said that he found it useful to talk to just about any cricketer and discuss the game except for Lara and Sachin. Because these were instinctive geniuses and couldn’t quite explain ‘how’ they did the things they did! But getting back to the older point Michael Jordan won all his titles when he was not really at his absolute physical peak. So even the greatest figures need great application and great discipline.
On that note here’s another recent top 5 list:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/563136.html
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May 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM
“I think it’s always a mistake to suppose that there can be great talent without great application”
agree- nobody should make this ‘basic’ mistake, lest it becomes “acidic’ for his career… 🙂
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May 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
However the arts are not like sports! A great painter does not change how he works if his paintings do not sell! He waits for future generations!
And in this sense the truest ambition is always waged against time. It’s fantastic to have success in the present but questions of permanence cause greater anxiety in the arts. The great figures forever want to be assured that they will stand the time. They are not satisfied with bestseller status even if they are fortunate enough to get it. The paradox for anything in life in general is that one can only measure oneself against the present and in ‘real time’ and yet the transcendent accomplishment is always about treating present time rather cheaply!
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May 29, 2012 at 4:32 PM
“Every sport pretends to literature, but people don’t believe it of any other sport but their own. !”
🙂
got to wrap up some work briefly…
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May 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Alex, one good turn deserves another:
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/30/201205302012053002091665998ab06cd/NessNargis-%E2%80%98don%E2%80%99t-know-each-other%E2%80%99.html
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May 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM
thanx satyam
btw ness n nargis apparently ‘ dont know each other’
not suprising, after hundred drinks
But hey..
we should not alk all this here
the likes of amy/ sanjana may get ‘spoilt’ or object..
btw may come across nargis f in an upcoming ‘corporate event’ soon…
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May 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM
The context and frameworks of comparison are important, as in anything….
Now will give an absolute statement and one that will ‘deliberately’ raise hackles here 🙂
im not talking about ‘technique’, ‘consistency’ and blah blah
theres are an army of blokes in every team for that !!!
A batsman who can go down the pitch to hit a six to get his 200 or 300 in a ‘test’ match —
Have NEVER seen an indian batsman DOMINATE the bowlers on an ALL time basis at his peak…
its not efficiency
its not skill
its not timing
its not cover drives, sheer delicate strokes
its sheer debauchery
its TERROR
and its not sachin 10dulkar or dravid or gavaskar..and many others
Its the ‘humble’ uncouth and ‘flat track bully’ called
Verender Sehwag!!!
hahaha
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May 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM
Alex, lovely line there, well said. I am not a fan of sehwag but will disagree on him being only a flat track bully- one of his finest hundred was in a difficult condition in melbourne.but despite his talents and record, not a fan of him. In his mould my fav will be jayasuriya- the way he decimated attacks in 96 world cup, ended manoj prabhakar’s career and changed the very nature of batting in odi’s left a great impression on me as a kid. 3 of my fav batsmen from 90s r mark waugh, de siva and thorpe
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May 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM
You know something, when dravid retired, boria majumadar commented on how we often don’t give dravid his due bcos of more flamboyant players like sachin,sourav and sehwag. so he categorically said – if there would not have been any sachin tendulkar, rahul dravid would have been the best batsman to have played for india in last 20 yrs, period”. btw if one goes on pure talent, i rate azhar very highly as do most of the experts. there has never been a more wristy player than azhar
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May 29, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Oh I absolutely agree with that. Dravid has a claim to be considered India’s second greatest batsman ever. Choosing between him and Gavaskar would be a hard task, I might be tempted to give it to the latter. But in any case it’s a debate and perhaps a few other candidates could be added here. What Gavaskar does have in common with Sachin is the singular iconic appeal. Dravid never quite had that. Of course even Gavaskar cannot come close to matching Sachin’s ‘meaning’ for India (on an all-India basis there is no one other than Bachchan who has the same penetration across the length and breadth of India.. Sachin even has the edge in non-Hindi speaking parts of the country in some ways). But in the entire post-Independence history of India I cannot think of another national figure to place alongside these two. And in small town India this factor is even more pronounced. I’m not sure whether it was Steve Waugh or another Shane Warne (or another Australian) who said that Sachin probably with the greatest pressure of any figure in sporting history and I think that is quite accurate. India Today or NDTV did a survey many years ago where they measured greatest market penetration and it was clear that even in the most remote places of India if there was a chance they’d heard of an actor it was Bachchan and if it was a sportsman it was Sachin.
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May 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM
england update=from an england point of view and ONLY about tests and not one dayers/t20 etc and on flat tracks etc
(remember how world champs india fared in england recently in tests!)
on REAL seeming conditions–
official test rankings–Jimmy Anderson at three, Graeme Swann four and Broad six – in the top six, with Tim Bresnan at 15, which means that England have more bowlers in the world top 20 than any other nation. Two others, Chris Tremlett and Steven Finn, are not far off at 24 and 26 respectively.
This means that the Andrews, Strauss and Flower, have at their disposal, in empirical terms anyway, the strongest squad of bowlers England have possessed since the end of the 1958 summer…..
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May 29, 2012 at 4:52 PM
well, think theres an underestimation of sunil gavaskars iconic place now…
“Gavaskar does have in common with Sachin is the singular iconic appeal”
and the better technique..
he was the original ‘technician’ who groomed a kjo-esque coterie of similar techincally sound..
also the quality of pace eg west indies, that sunny faced was way superior..
but again, 10dulkar has simply trascended him in other ways..
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May 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM
Won’t agree on better technique! Unless you’re equating this with the more defensive batsman (though hard as this seems to believe Gavaskar for many years after he debuted was a much more flashy player than the somewhat droll figure he became in the latter half of his career.. his WI debut is still, all things considered, one of the most impressive ones out there).
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May 29, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Satyam, agreed on gavaskar. and that famous calypso tour where he scored a century in his 2nd test, it forced the prime minister of that country to write a poem in his appreciation.also when he toured windies again, one of the carribean supporters held a placard saying “the sum of the scores of both windies openers in both innings will not be equal to that of gavaskar in a single inning”. and guess what, gavaskar scored a duck and 4 but haynes and greenidge both scored a ‘pair’ (of ducks).
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May 30, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Commenting elsewhere on Dravid vs Sachin…
“Most of the people play for self or for situation..In most cases when you play for self, you help the situation..but there are times both of them are not congruent..To sustain in those scenarios (out of comfort zone) you need to change your style…IMO Dravid over years clearly demonstrated that….Dravid is primarily been technically sound test player but he has adapted himself to do different situations and playing positions..”
“If you go out and play based on situation..that is selfless…everyone can play their batting style..Shewag does it..It is other matter he succeeds in one out of many but he wins matches whenever he plays..Opening in Test and One days are different.In one day you don’t have the responsibility (relatively) that you need to build the inning…India lacked openers in tests for long time but why only Dravid was asked to open and coupled with keeping the wickets at same time? As you said Dravid is one who has slow strike rate but he has batted at 100% rate also, if the situation demanded. ps – I am no wehere suggesting Tendulkar is less talented. He by far plays most technically exquisite shots but my argument is different. Gavaskar is owner of many records but when it came to style and cover drives, people remember Viswanath.”
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May 29, 2012 at 4:23 PM
people like azhar who are suspected of match fixing and infact ‘doubtful credentials’ somehow lose it (for me)
Efficiency , doggedness and technique are essential are take u so far..
in the indian context–
tendulkar is a different category and needs not be discussed with these others..
over the ages, the indian team has lacked something on a common baisis–
aggression and self assured and assertive confidence
Its players like ganguly followed by sehwag, yuvraj and the peerless dhoni fulfilled this longstanding void albeit on a brief basis !!
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May 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Here some facts abt Azhar r very important- when he retired- he was the leading run scorer in odis the world, was the 1st player to reach 9000 runs in the world, had the most 50’s in odi, had played the most number of odi’s, was the 1st player to play 300 odi’s, was india’s most successful captain, had the most number of odi catches in the world as a fielder and remains the only cricketer ever even till now to score 3 successive hundred in his first 3 tests
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May 29, 2012 at 4:43 PM
Call me a naysayer on Azhar.. not to deny some of the obvious stuff but I’d easily take his later Andhra peer over him.
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May 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM
agree
VVS laxman > azhar
the latter lost respect after getting imbroidled in match fixing..
yes, unproven, but the guy seems unbothered and has joined the ‘elite’ company of ‘bigger’ wrongdoers and is a ‘budding politician’
VVS is a class act and a thorough gentleman…
ps–and azhar to do this stuff as ‘captain’
wtf…
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May 29, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Satyam, Well i like laxman (my fav after azhar) but will disagree categorically with u here. firstly laxman himself comes from azhat’s school of batsmanship. secondly his test record may be better than azhar but as a one-day batsman, he does not stand anywhere near azhar. on fielding let’s not even, azhar is the greatest ‘all-round fielder’ of india (yuvi and kaif r pathetic at slips and gully, azhar could field anywhere even at 35-from slips to covers to silly point to point).
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May 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM
As a pure batsman I’d take Laxman over him very easily. Don’t think he belongs to Azhar’s ‘school’ as such except that Hyderabad seems to produce these ‘wristy’ cricketers. also some questions could be raised about Azhar in India vs abroad. On the one days I agree there is no contest. Laxman is one of those ‘for the ages’ batsmen when on song.
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May 29, 2012 at 5:09 PM
Satyam in the early 90s Azhar was officially rated the top-most batsman in the world, has it ever happened to laxman- no. on school of batsmanship, laxman himself has said that he developed his game following azhar- it’s not just the flick but also the on drive.as far overseas goes azhar has hundred at lords, wellington, manchestor, adelaide, auckland, cape town- the last 3 r not easy pitches- so it is not bad- gavaskar,on seeing azhar on his debut,famously called him a ‘wonderboy. have given u the records
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May 29, 2012 at 5:14 PM
yes Azhar of course arrived in a blaze of glory with those three centuries..
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May 29, 2012 at 5:12 PM
counter arguments will be who feautured in wisden best knocks of all time before both where gundappa viswanath and zaheer abbas ….
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May 29, 2012 at 5:22 PM
Something on azhar- The grace and fluidity of his wrist once prompted John Woodcock , a noted cricket writer, to say, “It’s no use asking an Englishman to bat like Mohammad Azharuddin. For, it would be like expecting a greyhound to win the London Derby!”
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May 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM
did he throw the match in dubai /sharjah or not?
if yes-hes lost it…
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May 29, 2012 at 5:26 PM
Some american (!) commented on cricket–“cricket is baseball on valium” 🙂
someone also commented on azhar–
if u wanna bet, dont do it at ladbrokes–become a full fledged captain and take the whole bank home 😉
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May 29, 2012 at 5:30 PM
man, minor–u can go on and on
but i need to take a break now
enjoy cricket and azhar 🙂
ps–“famously called him a ‘wonderboy”
oops–glad it was not ‘wonderbra”
but that gives me an idea for my film…lol
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May 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM
Alex, firstly the fixing charges r yet not proved. secondly, even otherwise, one should have the acumen to separate the man from the cricketer- it’s like saying- “i find sanjay dutt a bad actor bcos he was involved the bomb-blast case.”
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May 29, 2012 at 7:37 PM
The charges notwithstanding, found Akhtar quite a graceful and wristy ‘artist’ sort of batsman @ his peak.
But won’t rate him the ‘greatest’ or nearabouts anyways…
But yes he was perhaps the first proper fielder who took it seriously..
Till then, there were no ‘fielders’ -only ‘slip catchers’ or ‘ball followers’
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May 29, 2012 at 7:31 PM
Ok, I don’t understand. People are upset with Aamir for saying that all doctors are bad/evil/corrupt. But he never said that. He highlighted an issue.
Saket – agreed with everything you’ve said.
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May 29, 2012 at 9:32 PM
satyam, this may deserve a separate post?
from the director of “Shakespeare in Love” and some top names….
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May 29, 2012 at 9:46 PM
yep…I was gonna say the same thing. The movie has got good reviews.
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May 30, 2012 at 1:11 AM
Satyamev Jayate reaches out to 330 million Indians over the first three episodes
http://www.bestmediainfo.com/2012/05/star-claims-1-in-3-indians-has-watched-satyamev-jayate/
Satyamev Jayate has demonstrated a growth trend in its third week post launch. The show has delivered a historic reach of 330 million people over the first three episodes aired in India, which translates into about one in three Indians having watched Satyamev Jayate since the launch on May 6.
As per the TAM data for Week 21 provided by Star India in a press communication, Satyamev Jayate ratings grew to 4.6 TVR in HSM markets (All 4+, HSM) and a national TVR of 3.9 (All 4+, All India). This reflects a growth over the previous week. These are simulcast ratings of the original episode aired on Sunday morning 11 AM across nine channels (Star Plus, Star Pravah, Star Jalsha, Star World, Star Utsav, Star Vijay, Asianet, ETV Telegu and Doordarshan).
The combined viewership over the first three weeks crossed 97 million, the channel has claimed on the basis of TAM Universe (original + repeat airings). When extrapolated to all-India Universe, as per industry conversions, this means that the show has reached out to 330 million Indians since its launch.
Satyamev Jayate also had a massive 44 per cent share of the Sunday morning slot in terms of reach. Nearly half the viewers all over India are watching TV on Sunday morning are watching Satyamev Jayate, the channel has said.
The show continues to create massive buzz in the online space and has generated more than 500 million impressions. It has reached out to more than 80 per cent of the Twitter audience and has generated a record 190 million impressions since launch. The show has trending in the top spots on Twitter during and post every new episode. On Facebook the show has reached out to 30 million users and generated more than 300 million impressions. The show has also had more than 13 million views on YouTube with a massive 97 per cent ‘like’ rate. The show has received close to 3 million votes of support and over Rs 14 million has been received as donations till date.
Sanjay Gupta, COO of Star India, said, “Satyamev Jayate continues to grow in reach, ratings and impact in its third week. The show has reached out to one in three Indians with a message of hope and has sparked stories of change at a personal and societal level.”
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May 30, 2012 at 1:16 AM
Fantastic ! The viewership ratings are actually improving with every week…Not to mention the unprecedented buzz on online media platforms…the Sunday morning slot has been revitalised & how !!
Big thumbs up to the SJ team !!!
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May 30, 2012 at 3:32 AM
I always had this feeling that the ratings would slowly pick up, week after week. But what is more important is the ‘asar’ as star news puts out on its Friday evening 8.00 pm show.
Every episode , at least upto 3rd , has had a good salutory effect. The first saw the Ahmedabad based NGO getting plenty of funds from viewer donations, plus some action taken by Rajasthan govt.
The 2nd episode, on child sexual abuse, has had maximum impact–over a lakh victims have phoned the advertized helpline–1098, Childline, with branches in over 200 indian towns, more to come up .
The 3rd episode has convinced many that reducing wedding expenses and saying a firm no to dowry–this is something that needs to be re-iterated by as many people as possible, for maximum effect. Yes, many Indians have been saying this for a long time, but many have also gone with the flow and spent beyond capacity. But reading the innumerable responses to Aamir’s column following the 3rd episode–it is so heartening to read people vow again that they will have inexpensive weddings.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/article3439626.ece
It is the 4th episode that is IMO the best–and yet it’s saddening to read the angry responses, at least from a section of the medical community. There has been a fall out that is negative–doctors referring to Aamir as some sort of a villian–read the furious tweets and fb posts–and this fall out is saddening, because the show certainly did not demonize all doctors, only the spotlighted bad apples; in fact it addressed the dismal Indian health scenario, more than anything else.
Thankfully , there has been a positive effect too — people are now demanding the right to low-priced generic medicines, affordable health care–and that is a good thing. I am personally sick of spending a minor fortune every month on certain medicines I’ve been taking for the past five years ; am trying to cut down same, get off the medicine-bus, get trimmer, go the yoga-ayurveda route–but things don’t happen so easily…and here is Aamir’s column , following this last episode–perhaps some doc here could throw light on the medicine prices mentioned in this column?
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May 30, 2012 at 3:33 AM
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/article3462853.ece
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May 30, 2012 at 3:06 AM
Way back in 1985 a film about medical malpractices, released, flopped; starred Naseeruddin Shah.
http://bobbytalkscinema.com/recentpost.php?postid=postid053012014943
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May 30, 2012 at 3:09 AM
Here is a real-life hero for cancer patients in need of inexpensive affordable medicines– http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/comments-analysis/how-p-h-kurien-took-on-global-patents-system-to-make-very-costly-drug-affordable-for-poor/articleshow/opinions/13649684.cms
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May 30, 2012 at 3:25 AM
I have friends in Biotech companies and it is very costly to get one drug made and approved from FDA. Of course US system adds lot of redundant cost (safety and procedures) but other side of argument is that if they don’t protect their copyrights, companies won’t put money in new research and make their “pipeline” better.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/890305.stm
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May 30, 2012 at 7:17 AM
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/ENT-satyamev-jayte-review-%E2%80%9Cmedical-profession-is-a-fraud%E2%80%9D-3327562.html?HF-2
MEDICAL PROFFESION IS A FRAUD BY— DAILY BHASKAR
Mr. Aamir Khan has taken the mantle of difference in his hand, and he is visibly using his wand to good use till now. The 4th episode of his much-followed show ‘Satyamev Jayte’ was as much a treat to watch as it was shockingly informative. We have learnt it the bitter way that the people we trust the most in times of dire need, are not trustworthy in most cases. The latest edition of Aamir’s ‘Bring a change’ campaign saw uncovering the harsh reality that persists in our pathetically corrupted nation: Doctors are businessmen now. And in fact, they are as dexterous and cunning in their profession as only few out there can ever hope to be.
The perfectionist actor opened our eyes up by talking in more facts and figures this time than relying on the usual emotional melodrama. He introduced us to some cases which shame the medical profession in our country. There was a man who lost the fingers of his feet unnecessarily. Then we had in the show a retd. Major who had come there along with his daughter to enlighten us about the case where his wife was operated upon without his consent, resulting in the loss of her life, let alone more than Rs. 8 Lacs they had to pay up for the surgery. The case is being debated in court right now.
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May 30, 2012 at 7:23 AM
Now is this not generalizing??? …. Aamir khan has lead to dozens of generalised and biased articles… Its like saying Muslims are terrorists… BUT hey… muslims dont be offended… we are not generalizing muslims…
Now if someone says that Aamir has no control over media… he can not decide who writes wat… Then I have a question??…
who acted as a catalist for such articles… who only potrayed the filth and not the good in proffession…
I swear being a doctor myself… If this is wat we will be potrayed and insulted as… I will never ever help any patient out of the way… I will prove the very words of Mr Aamir khan true
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May 30, 2012 at 7:29 AM
As far as the flake Mr Khan is getting on Twitter and Facebook… It is just a beggining.. Indian Medical Association is filing a case Against Aamir khan… The first letter by Dr Asad sheikh against Aamir khan has been shared by 33,000 people on facebook… And the second letter is out today… We are planning a March against Aamir khan in our collage at 11:00 am Sunday… Next week..Including all the medical students and faculty of all medical, dental and paramedical collages of our city..
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May 30, 2012 at 7:55 AM
DOCTORS VS AAMIR KHAN
Letter no.2
A letter to an
… Ignorant Perfectionist
Dear Mr.Aamir Khan,
I have been trying
hard but cannot get over the fact that you can ‘sell’
ignorance with such ease
and honour.
Though I agree to ‘parts’ of your show ,
Lets
first get the facts right.
1) You said patients
on dialysis live upto 15-20 years. Fact – The 5 year
survival rate of patients
on dialysis is about 25-30 % ( less than many
cancers). Renal transplant
remains the best available treatment option for chronic kidney disease. (I hope
you take responsibility for people who after
watching your show plan to not go
for kidney transplant and die in less than 5 years)
2) An
overenthusiastic girl from the audience said that
her father was forced for an
emergency liver transplant ‘6-7 years’ ago for
gastroenteritis.
Fact- Even
today there are ‘ a handful’ of hospitals in India offering liver transplants.
To think that 6-7 years ago , just a gastroenteritis
patient was offered liver
transplant is not only improbable but technically
impossible.
3) A diabetic patient
blamed a doctor for losing a toe.
Fact- Lacs of
diabetic patients per year lose
entire limbs due to diabetic foot ( cellulitis and
gangrene) . Doctors go about
stepwise cutting off toes , then foot , even the leg upto above knee level in
order to save as much limb as possible. The patient
in your show might still be
able to walk just because of the timely action taken
by the surgeon.
Mr. Aamir Khan i am
not getting back at you because i took your show
personally. Yes , I agree that
there are doctors indulging in shameful
malpractices and even i know a few of
them. But i can proudly say i am surrounded by more doctors who work day and
night just to ensure that their patients get the best
possible treatment..The’
BAD’ doctors should be punished and we all can
come together to ensure we do
not encourage such malpractices.
Secondly i would have
appreciated if you would have thrown some light
on the entrance examinations and
the hard work , dedication and sacrifices a doctor
needs to clear his MBBS, MD,
DM etc examinations. I wish you had spent half a day in the
emergency department and OPD of a Govt. Hospital
and realised that the work
timings, working conditions, lunch breaks,
doctor : patient ratio, hours of
sleep per week , living conditions in the hostel and the stipend is worse than
a class 4 labourer. You would have also
surprisingly realised that the
‘DOCTORS’ are the only ‘FUNCTIONAL’ part of a Govt.
Hospital which still caters
to thousands of patients in a day. When you compared statistics of U.K and
India , why didnt you include the salaries, living
standards and the doctor:
patient ratio the doctors have in developed
countries.
Coming to generic
drugs, Yes, a large amount of rural population
should have access to cheap
generic drugs. But one should not forget the
pharma companies that charge more
for the drugs are the ones that spend crores of rupees for research and
development of new drugs. Had there not been
drug trials no new drugs would
have been invented and we would have mortality rates compared to stone age.
Also i agree that
most doctors endorse certain brands of drugs
( which i do not deny may be for
s ome financial gains also ) because thay have faith
in the quality of the
‘active drug’ of certain companies. Yes many local companies manufacture
generic products ( which is a copy of the original
molecule discovered by the
expensive company which can be used for
unaffordable patients. But you did not mention that
many of these generic drugs are of substandard quality and are the reason of
many uncalled for deaths due
to drug reactions. Most doctors would not want to
take responsibilty of the
quality of the ‘generic’ drugs.
Lastly, What do you
mean when you say ‘ People of high IQ and desire
to earn money should not
become doctors’.
Why arent doctors allowed to
have an ambition ??
How can a
person who earns 4 crores for an episode of a so called ‘social’ show decide on
what should be an individual’s ambition and
financial staus !!
Why can there be
no doctors who earn well for their professional
skills and do not indulge in
malpractices ?!
It just reflects your hypocrisy. I would like to offer
a few solutions to the problem.
a) ‘ BAD’ doctors
indulging in malpractices should be suspended for
life. We need a strong
regulatory authority to publish expected treatment
‘protocols’ and punish
doctors found to be doing unethical practices.
b) Regulatory
authorities should also keep a check on the quality
of drugs being manufactured
and at the same time ‘sold’ at the local chemist.
c) Govt. medical
colleges and hospitals should multiply several folds,
increasing the number of
doctors in each department , improving the doctor:
patient ratio. Doctor’s
salaries and living conditions should be looked after and should be comparable
to other professionals.
d) Regular CME’S and
licensing exams ( like other countries) every 5-10
years.
e) The Govt. should
spend 6-8% of GDP ON HEALTHCARE and a part of
which should also be committed to
the research and development of newer drugs.
f) No politician
should be allowed to be associated with any
private medical colleges.
g) The general public
should be educated well about common diseases
and the ‘acceptable’
qualifications of the doctors.
These are just a few
points i can think of at the moment. I am sure had
you bothered to have a panel
discussion and find solutions in a healthy way, We
could come up with a lot
more viable solutions.
However you chose to
sensationalise your show, by hiring ‘few’ people
with ‘fake’ or ‘amplified’
problems and shed a few tears.
Hope you understand
that Your allegations like ‘
HAMARE DESH KE
DOCTORS ITNE BIMAAR KYUN HAIN’ and
‘MAUT KE SAUDAGAR’ are as serious as calling all
actors ‘Rapists’ (
after the shiney ahuja incident ) and all Muslims ‘Terrorists’ . Knowing that you
twisted not one but not many known medical
‘facts’ to strike a chord with the
‘ignorant’ ‘naive’ audience, How do you expect me
to have faith in you and the
stories you would project in the upcoming shows. You have betrayed a large
segment of the ‘classes’ as well as ‘masses’.
All i can say is i
feel sad for the death of the ‘image’ you created in
our minds and hearts. An
unbiased Aamir who strives for nothing but the
truth and the betterment of the
society was after all a MYTH.
Condolences,
An honest Doctor.
ADMIN : Dr.Azhar Sheikh
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May 30, 2012 at 8:22 AM
totally one-sided approach by doctors.
It is like saying: “Don’t u dare point a finger towards us….or else”
ha…what a shame!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:11 PM
And what approach you have.A die hard fan’s apprpoach who also does not understand that “amputation” is life saving in diabetic foot. Huh!!
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May 30, 2012 at 8:39 AM
Dr. Shaurya I will differ a bit here with you> As i belong to the same profession, I empathize with u. But let’s not blame Aamir for everything.He has a noble intention behind the show. The people to be blamed r sum assholes in the media with an ulterior motive who r manipulating the facts and using the show to bash-up doctors.
Btw thanks for clearing those factual errors shown in the sho
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May 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM
For #1, there was no consent signed by patient and the organ transplant was not kidney but some other organ by someone who was not even transplant specialist and then litres and litres of blood transfusion etc.
For #2, I don’t recall the patient being diabetic. He had minor infection which needed to be treated with anti-biotic per the second opinion.
SMJ episode 4 was my least fav. episode of all three because these things happen even in developed countries. Though it did help the mango people with idea of generic meds. Most indians are savvy and would go only to reliable/family docs.
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May 30, 2012 at 8:43 PM
Dr Shaurya/Saurabh, Dr Sheikh – some very sensible solutions have been offered in this letter – points a to g. Question is “who will bell the cat”? Introducing regulation can be done by politicians in a matter of minutes by passing a bill in Lok Sabha – however who is going to ensure complilance? Isn’t this the single most weakness in the Indian administratvie system with regard to any law? Also will the politicians keep out of medical colleges? esp private medical colleges where seats are distributed like sweets to the highest bidder even if the future students have no know/inclination or talent but get into it due to prestige and the potential for a good dowry – yes AP is a good example in this case. If i am right, Siddartha Medical College in Vijayawada, AP was one of the first private donation based medical college to begin in India way back in 78 to 80. Sadly it was a venture proposed by a no of US based NRIs with the initial financial backing of their wealthy land lord families and politiicans hailing from a similar class & community. To this day politicians are involved in getting seats for their friends and relatives in medical/engg/MBA/IT courses. It is a very big task in setting the rot in the system right.
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May 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Filmbuff, u r the only making sense here. and just to let u know, i have still not become a doctor- i am studying MBBS- so i have not done any service till now and u don’t need to praise me as u did in ur yesterday’s comment LOL. And completely agree with what u r saying here.but people r not getting thid- ‘I’ am not against the ‘show’ or ‘aamir’ at all (which sane person can be aginst it), what i am against is the entire manner in which the show is causing the public and govt. to react against doctors
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May 30, 2012 at 9:46 PM
Chalo I am praising your future work as a doctor and your current hard work in doing well in your MBBS course is no less a service coz apart from your personal aim in getting a degree to earn some money as a professional, a well qualified doctor is always an asset to the community. At the end of the day all the technology and advancement in science is of little help if the Doctor (captain of the ship) is not able to correctly diagnose the problem (mind vis machine syndrome). Keep working hard. Even a honest and dedicated doctor can make a big difference. It will also fetch money in the process.
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May 30, 2012 at 8:35 AM
Idea, I hate to put this bluntly but from some of the comments it seems that Aamir fans here know more about medical science than us doctors.
Now the show is ‘brilliant’ – no two ways about it. It is a must watch.
Bu there were some glaring factual errors regarding medical science in the episode as pointed out by Dr. Shaurya.
“ha…what a shame!”- u know what I am ashamed that all these people including sensible people like you, who has made such a statement, are saying such stuff abt doctors withoutknowing the entire facts.
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May 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM
@ saurabh… My dear friend.. I am no Demon to relish such mal practices.. But being a medico u know non medicos can not understand the complexities of the treatment and medical science… neither they can understand our outbursts..
I am all in for a cause… But there is a fine margin between CAUSE and PROPAGANDA.. Dont you know this episode will make life tougher for doctors who already are treated by media as Dacoits..
Yaar problem sirf ek hai..
भारत देश मे हर उस चीज को जीने का हक नही जिसे लोगों ने भगवान बना दिया है….
१. औरत
२. डाक्टर
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May 30, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Of course it would make life little tougher for Doctors. But then you are dealing with health (life and death), we propbably want negligible tolerance for any wrong doing. If there is way to improve the services what is the harm?
ps – Don’t tell me all doctors are doodh ka dhula and they are not capable of greed and longings afflicting other people?
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May 30, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Munna Sir, no one is “doodh ka dhoola”. but why r the standards of expected moral behaviour so high for doctors, it’s as if we cannot make a mistake but everyone else can. there is so much of corruption amongst engineers and businessman, but so much hue and cry is only made when doctors r involved. do u know how less is the government salary given to the doctors compared to the work we do. if as u say, bcos we r there to save lives so there should be no room for doctors, then we should also be paid well
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May 30, 2012 at 2:00 PM
I alluded when I said it deals with “health” not materialistic thing. I cannot judge a PM and a District Councillor in same way? PM position is always important.
Sure..Doctors should be well paid based on responsibility. In India (even in US) I think they get good pay relative to most people.
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May 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Well lemme tell u,they don’t get paid well by govt. at all.i believe just 2-3 yrs back doctors from KGMC MEDICAL collg lucknow, went on a strike against the low pay-scale. the conditions of doctors in govt. medical colleges is pathetic, at times there r 10 patients given to a single doctor to handle, how is it possible.And no, i do not believe this notion that moral standards for different people should be different, the playing field should be level for all the players- this point is not debatable at all.
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May 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM
Don’t know if this comment will appear in the right place but doctors in govt hospitals are paid miserable salaries and work in very poor conditions. The extent of corruption in the public hospital system is unimaginable – medicines being sold off by hos admn staff in connivance with higher ups is not uncommon. Despite this, some of the most brilliant and compassionate doctors work in government hospitals and continue to treat and save lives of poor. They try to make up for the poor salary by having private clinics by practising in the evenings where they can earn some money from the middle and upper classes who can afford to pay them. Of course all this is at a price, they will have very little time for themselves, their families and friends.
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May 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM
Filmbuff, cannot thank you enough for this- a big hug to u from my side. u r one of the most balanced and intelligent people over here. now i am not saying that doctors work in govt. hospitals to do social service only,obviously they do it primarily for money but the pay-scale which they deserve. now guys please do not attack Filmbuff for supporting doctors, she is not from medical community
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May 30, 2012 at 9:49 PM
Saurabh, u r right I am not a doctor and have no connection to the medical profession although I do have friends who are doctors
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May 31, 2012 at 7:09 AM
Gud points filmbuff
Where r u based – btw were u in Australia ?
Maybe was someone else
What’s the status there …
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May 30, 2012 at 7:20 PM
rather condescending to think that non-medics ‘can’t understand’. the issues raised in this thread can’t be avoided by that kind of defence. as a medic, i too find it hard to grasp why this episode has provoked such a defensive attitude srom some doctors. but then perhaps you’ll say it’s because i’m in the uk so i won’t understand either…
i don’t get it – do you not think this problem needed to be brought into the open? my friend who was a doctor in bombay before moving here had mentioned a lot of these issues to me a few months back.
aamir never said all doctors are bad, but this corrupt system is a fact no? so even if some of his facts were inaccurate, if we focus on that we’re missing the bigger point.
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May 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Sahi baat boli Sir aapne. i request all doctors not to treat such people who think we r criminals. let’s see then- logo ki akl thikaane aa jayegi
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May 30, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Saurabh, you are consciously avoiding my point – when and where on the show aamir or anyone said that all doctors are bad?
now you have cleverly shifted your arguments’-base to “factual errors” – earlier, you kept ranting about this “all doctors…” stuff – and now this…..relax. Learn to take the criticism in the balanced way – it was a balanced program where some of your doctor fraternity people came and had very unkind things to say about the “fraternity”….
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May 30, 2012 at 7:10 PM
exactly, aamir keeps being accused of painting the entire profession in a negative light but he DIDN’T do that.
i don’t understand why the other doctors on here are taking the show so personally. as i said earlier, a guy I work with who is from bombay was telling me very similar stuff to what was raised on this show. so it’s not like aamir made the whole thing up.
and this idea that non-medics can’t understand the complexities of the profession is a bullshit way of avoiding facing the facts.
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May 30, 2012 at 7:17 PM
What a ‘mature’ comment there, Sally
I actually see what the ‘doctors’ here saying-it makes sense as well
But u seem to have hit the ‘correct middle ground’
No wonder , NHS Is still sensible
Ps-do u work with any eastern european drs …
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May 30, 2012 at 7:21 PM
lol, u ask the randomest questions….
and ur use of speech-marks is ‘interesting’ :p
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May 30, 2012 at 7:25 PM
Haha Sally-don’t worry- that wasn’t a ‘googly’ but a delivery that ‘went straight after pitching’
A complement to your ace comment 🙂
Ps-have come across some European medics recently-that’s y was asking …
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May 30, 2012 at 7:47 PM
one of my mates is from poland (well, polish-american, but did med school in polnd), we did our first year of work together (internship/house-officers). don’t work with any eastern europeans now though…
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May 30, 2012 at 7:56 PM
Gud… Anyhow no more details lol
Sally-
U seem a v sensible and balanced medic
Surprising for a psychiatrist to maintain her/ his sanity 😉
Joking
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May 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Idea, i am not avoiding ur point.as i said before, i am not against the show at all, what i am against is the way people r reacting against the doctors after watching the show and how, as dr. shaurya said, stupid laws will be passed to make our lives hell. take for instance- people here spoken how immoral doctors have become! fine, agreed but r we the most immoral people? no. to ne very frank,doctors r still the least corrupt compared to other professions.actually only filmbuff made sensible points
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May 30, 2012 at 6:44 PM
Thanx for this ‘lively’ discussion folks
Keep it up
Don’t worry if anyones skull gets hit etc
There are ‘daactars ‘ amongst us to set em rite
And yes
The ‘angry young doctors’ yo..
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May 30, 2012 at 6:51 PM
you forgot to put ‘set em rite’ in quotes 😉
I fell in love with Dr Shetty 🙂
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May 30, 2012 at 6:54 PM
“you forgot to put ‘set em rite’ in quotes”–doesn’t seem so but sometimes do get busy with real ‘work’ lol
“I fell in love with Dr Shetty “–c’mon Di –u are becoming like Amy
‘falling in love’ every other day
OK, should I act as a ‘messenger’ -what do u want from him…b frank-will try for u
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May 30, 2012 at 7:05 PM
What a divine soul Dr S….he was even crying at the closing song play…unfortunately some “docs” prefer to focus on “negative” aspects of their folks and are pouting on these pages. If I was realtor and some told me that there are bad apples in your tribe..I would heartely nod and give them my card (HA!).
By the way, this is a scene worth “quoting” for this discussion. For this one scene, I fell in love with Baldwin, head over heels. Kya acting ki hai!
😉
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May 30, 2012 at 7:11 PM
” ROFL
Gud one Di … 🙂
Just got an idea–hav u heard of my ‘cocktail spoof’-check the details inn the cock tale threads…
Think I should add a third female ‘witty’ character -btw -are u interested in ‘ acting’ …
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May 31, 2012 at 6:30 AM
Food for thought
http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/society/article3476114.ece
Uday Shankar, CEO Star India, says the channel was keen to do a programme that puts the spotlight on choices being made in our communities that are important to highlight and understand which led finally to Amir Khan’s Satyamev Jayate.
Satyamev Jayate, the television talk show by Aamir Khan that explores societal glitches, has been making waves. Uday Shankar, CEO, Star India discusses with The Hindu its impact and what went into its conception. Excerpts:
Could you take us through the journey of Satyamev Jayate – how it was conceived, conceptualized and executed. How was the experience of working with Aamir Khan on his debut on television?
As a television network, we have, in recent times, renewed our promise to our viewers to be bold and progressive, to entertain and enlighten, and to tell compelling stories set in the world around them. For a long time, we have been keen to do a programme that puts the spotlight on choices being made in our communities that are important to highlight and understand. It was in this context that I first met Aamir in the winter of 2009 at his residence. He said that he saw the power of TV but he didn’t want to do the kind of things that the other Bollywood stars had done. I told him that we came to him primarily because we wanted to do something that would be very different but will be targeted at the mass audiences. We struck up an instant rapport, which sowed the seeds of launching a Satyamev Jayate kind of programme.
Months later, Aamir discussed his SMJ concept with me and we both felt that it was essential to spend time to develop the show given the importance and sensitivity of the issues we wanted to tackle. So, there was a lot of thought and care and effort and love that went into the programme, for more than two years, before the launch in May.
And in Aamir, we found someone as passionate and committed as we were, in this mission. The energy and effort and love he has put into this show is just tremendous. For us, SMJ was the next leap in content innovation.
Did you have any sleepless nights before the show hit the screens? Did you have any apprehensions about the success of the show?
When you are taking such a big commitment which can have significant commercial exposure, it is natural to have many sleepless nights. Do bear in mind that we had decided not to share the details of the show including the name with the advertisers etc. It wasn’t traditional entertainment, yet, we decided to take the financial and creative plunge as we believed that as leaders of broadcasting, we have got to be the chief innovators and constantly work towards renewing the social contract that TV has with society. We wanted our viewers to relate with the show as much as we did. We wanted them to see it and feel it as we did. These were not subjects that were commonly discussed in people’s homes. But we were also confident that our viewers will trust us to deal with these subjects with care and thought. They expect it from us. And the record viewership numbers and the conversations on the issues raised in the show around the country tell us we have achieved what we set out to do.
Some of the issues that were touched upon in Satyamev Jayate’s initial episodes have been ailing the society for long. The question is why now and why not earlier?
We would have liked to do it earlier, but we’re happy everyone concerned took enough time to create something that is thoughtful and compelling, so it can turn out as good as it has. You are right about the issues. That’s why programmes that exude this kind of influence are necessary. As long as there are problems, solutions will never go out of fashion. Satyamev Jayate is not a readymade solution, but it’s a platform where people can derive inspiration from and tailor their own solutions.
Satyamev Jayate has created quite a buzz across the country and is trending on the web. Do you believe this interest that’s been generated alone can change mindsets?
The buzz on the show has been historic and unprecedented. It is one of the very few individual events (media or otherwise) to trend on Twitter for two days with such high levels of conversation. The show has reached over 16 crore impressions on Twitter, and interestingly while at the start the conversations were around the show, post show the conversations have moved towards the issue and ‘real action’, signalling the stirrings of a movement. This is the power of the medium and the message – to touch hearts and awaken change. Every day we hear stories of change inspired by the show – be it a doctor banning sex selection abortions from his own clinic to 64 clinics losing their license, a child breaking his silence on the subject of sexual abuse, to the government fast tracking the bill. These are stories of change at a personal and societal level. It’s a great start. With Satyamev Jayate, Star has helped sow the seeds of change.
There’s been lot of skepticism about the intent of the show. That it is nothing more than a clever ploy to bring in ads? Also, Aamir’s been seen as emulating Oprah. Your thoughts?
One can’t wish away skeptical theists, can you? And we always welcome criticism, because it helps us make better programmes. But, it is important to recognize that this show was not about revenues and profits for us, it was about continuing on a path which we had consciously started, about the kind of programmes and stories we wanted to share with our viewers. Commercially, we had to take many risks. But we were willing to make the substantial investments and take the risk, and accept that this was not about attractive returns on our investment, because we believe this is what we have to do, as the leaders of the industry. With Satyamev Jayate, we have tried to put the focus on subjects that are important to us as a country. If we’ve managed to awaken even a few, then Star would have served as the vehicle of social change.
Where does Star go from here (that is after this 13-episode run gets over)? Replicating this success is going to be difficult, right?
At Star, innovation is a continuous process. With each new show, we hope to give our viewers something new, something entertaining and something that also gives them food for thought without being preachy.
We excel at meeting challenges and our biggest challenge is how to ignite the minds of Indians, how to capture the imagination of an exciting country in exciting times. SMJ has helped us deepen our relationship with our viewers. But, for us, the show is a continuation of a path we are on, and we will have to make sure that we keep setting new benchmarks for the industry. We give viewers narratives that engage their minds and they come back to us again and again. We haven’t forgotten what we do – we tell stories, we tell them well and we happen to have managed to add a refreshing and compelling twist.
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May 31, 2012 at 7:21 AM
Doctors ask Aamir Khan to apologise- http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/1444464/Doctors-ask-Aamir-Khan-to-apologise
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May 31, 2012 at 7:25 AM
Post the latest episode of Aamir Khan’s talk show’ Satyamev Jayate ‘, which targeted corrupt doctors and highlighted unethical practices and shocking revelations in medical treatment, an umbrella body of 21 medical institutions have asked the actor to apologise for accusing doctors of malpractices.
Medscape India said the representation of malpractices supposedly perpetrated by doctors was ‘rather sad’ and Aamir Khan should offer his apologies.
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May 31, 2012 at 7:28 AM
Aamir & Star definitely need to “apologise”….to the viewers for not exposing more the extent to which healthcare in our country has stooped !!
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May 31, 2012 at 7:36 AM
Shubh, I am not in favour of doctors asking Aamir for an apology because both Aamir and SMJ’s intentions r noble and r for a worthy. But if my fellow innocent hardworking doctors r coming under the cropper unintentionally due to the show, this is unacceptable to me. And if u such low views abt doctors and healthcare, i am sure u must not be ever visiting doctor and will never do so in the future too
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May 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM
Saurabh,
Sorry to say…”innocent hardworking doctors” are sadly in a minority today in the country. I stay in Mumbai and have had first hand experience of the blatant malpractices which is going on in some of the top hospitals like Lilavati, Jaslok, Hinduja….etc. THIS IS MY VIEW & YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOURS !!!!
As regards my visiting doctors in future, do I have a choice ?? I enter hospitals & clinics today with great degree of apprehension & scepticism…won’t go much further than that !!!
Some of the comments made by these so called protesting doctors are indeed priceless !! “Aamir should stick to making films ” ….this is exactly the condescending attitude because of which majority of the medical fraternity is held in such low esteem in the country today !
Would these “morally upright” medicos also ask apology from Dr. Devi Shetty for appearing on the show & shedding tears on it ?? Would they question their head of MCI as to why he chose to appear & take all those questions from Aamir ??
Finally, if this so called misguided group think that Aamir is going to apologise, they just need to go back to 2006…when Aamir did not even bow to the might & bullying of the Gujarat govt !
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May 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM
Yaiy shubh
Buck up mate 🙂
Bring on the ‘war’
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May 31, 2012 at 7:26 AM
“Aamir Khan is my favourite actor and he should stick to making films,” said doctor, Sunita Dube, president of Medscape.
“Surprisingly, no doctors’ body has spoken against Aamir yet. We need to stand united against such blatant lies. We are going to write a scathing letter demanding an apology from him,” Dube added.
Medscape also pointed out that doctors were subjected to assault without any fault and many people didn’t understand the pressures of the profession.
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June 1, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Fair enough about the pressures on doctors
However SMJ only highlighted flaws in the system…..instead why not try to correct them?
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May 31, 2012 at 8:28 AM
Off the topic
Colors new show Madhubala started with one hour episode which was simply fast and breathtaking. Raj Zutshi is essaying the role of a creepy takur or something like that and his wife escapes to Mumbai from his clutches.
The mumbai film industry will be the theme and it will cover around all the years since its inception if what the producers are claiming is true.
The show itself starts with credits like it was done for movies decades back.
People who are interested in bollywood can enjoy the show at 8.30 p.m. from monday to saturday.
Today’s episode will have veteran Hangal playing a brief part.
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May 31, 2012 at 8:53 AM
There was some misconception about this show. Many thought it is about Madhubala and Dilip kumar story but the makers denied this. The protagonist seems to be from an entirely different background and religion from the legend.
Hope this soap lives upto the hype.
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May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Thanx for that info Sanjana- though don’t watch that channel/ show.
Btw was dilip kumar and madhubala ‘involved’ really or was it just a rumor
Think dilip marrying nubile Sara banu was ‘child marriage’ or sowmthing I that effect -extreme age difference ? Not sure though …
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May 31, 2012 at 10:41 AM
Doctor, banker, trader, broker
http://www.livemint.com/2012/05/29203408/Doctor-banker-trader-broker.html
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May 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Jaya Hey to Jai Ho to Jayate: Sumana Roy ( Kafila)
When Shahrukh Khan left Darjeeling after shooting for his film Main Hoon Na, a young cheeky boy who sold Made-in-China underwear began selling his stuff as used SRK briefs. It gave birth to much trade and humour. When Aamir Khan came to Sikkim a few months back, everyone in my part of the world thought he had come to help victims of the recent earthquake. Such is the difference in perception about the two actors. Myth-making around the personality of the anchor is on overdose. Mohandas Gandhi drank goat’s milk and lemon juice for a few days to prepare for his fast. Aamir Khan stopped signing for new adverts six months before the show went on air.
It is interesting that Hindi film actors and actresses appear on television only in the nonfiction genre: this must be the closest their fans get to see their ‘real’ selves. Each actor’s choice of programme says something about him or her – Amitabh Bachchan and Kaun Banega Crorepati, Mithun Chakraborty and the Bengali Dadagiri, Akshay Kumar and Fear Factor. Aamir Khan rejects the game-show format for the ‘Let’s Confess’ talk-show format that was the USP of television programmes conducted by Simi Garewal, Karan Johar, Raveena Tandon, among others. Only here the aam aadmi is the celebrity, the highest paid actor of the Hindi film industry the interviewer.
http://kafila.org/2012/05/27/jaya-hey-to-jai-ho-to-jayate-sumana-roy/
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May 31, 2012 at 11:12 AM
All this hoopla by the Doctors is absurd and uncalled for as they are making an issue out of such a sensitive topic, which warrants introspection and soul searching rather than asking for apology. Why should not they try to get to the root of the cancerous malady, Instead they are shunning from fruitful discussion, which should have been their primary concern. If people have such horror stories to share about their experiences and misconceptions regarding the profession, it could not be due to ONE EPISODE OF SATYAMEVA JAYATE. Satyamava jayate has just provided the people a platform to vent the disappointment and frustration with their own experiences concerned with this realm, so why get agitated if truth is being shown only because it does not show you the way you would like to be portrayed is running away from reality.
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May 31, 2012 at 2:16 PM
A refreshing variation on TV
http://www.livemint.com/2012/05/30224341/A-refreshing-variation-on-TV.html?h=D
The unprecedented hype over Aamir Khan’s Satyamev Jayate show and the response to it has once again reinforced the power of television in our lives.
The programme is now four episodes and one month old. The first episode touched an emotional chord with many viewers as it discussed the issue of female foeticide. The episodes since then have dealt with sexual abuse of children, dowry and medical malpractice.
The novelty effect and the controversy over Khan, one of Bollywood’s biggest stars, bringing up these issues, appears to have waned a little. After the initial euphoria, especially online, attention across the print and electronic media is now slowly shifting to the issues that are being covered. For instance, the tweets on the last episode mostly feature Devi Shetty of Narayana Hrudayalaya and instances of medical negligence.
Clearly, the show is a milestone in Indian television, not just in terms of the production quality but also because of Khan’s involvement, simultaneous broadcasts across nine channels in four languages, the show timing of 11am on Sunday instead of evening or weekend prime time, and the unprecedented Twitter trends.
Credit must also be given to Star India Pvt. Ltd chief executive officer (CEO) Uday Shankar for being far-sighted enough to throw his weight behind the show. This Jawaharlal Nehru University graduate and former journalist became CEO in October 2007, when Star was losing its initial popularity and struggling to compete with numerous emerging channels. Since then, he’s been trying make the channel’s tagline of Soch Nayi (new thinking) come true when it comes to content.
For instance, even the admittedly regressive soaps now have social issues intertwined in their storylines and enlightening the audience seems to be their new motto.
The role of television and its impact on our social mores, values and behaviour is well proven and also widely used in advertising. Very few have used this powerful medium to strategically influence issues that prevail in our society and matter to each one of us. Therefore, this novel attempt of bringing such issues to fore with good research back up, a high-profile celebrity and excellent production quality has been received well.
It’s important to note that discussions on social issues similar to those picked up by Satyamev Jayate are not new on Indian television. Regional language channels and news channels have taken up various such issues in different formats, including soaps (remember Rajni, Jasoos Vijay, etc.), reality shows, talk shows, music videos, special campaigns, and of course, documentaries. National broadcaster Doordarshan and some local-language channels have undertaken commendable experiments that have sought to catalyse change in society and individual behaviour.
However, more recently, these issues have been overshadowed or even forgotten by our ratings-driven channels in their fight for eyeballs and amid conflicting interests. This is even more pronounced in the so-called national (read Delhi-based) English and Hindi channels. Even the news channels spend less than 5% of their prime time (7-11 pm) on social development issues as per the annual trend monitoring by CMS Media Lab.
Within this context, Satyamev Jayate is indeed a refreshing variation on our television screens. It is a commendable risk taken by Shankar to break the current inertia in television programming.
Understandably, Satyamev Jayate is not a ready-made resolution to the issues it is raising. It only claims to provide a platform from which people can derive inspiration and based on which they may be able to tailor their own solutions. But the larger question is whether this experiment of 13 episodes raising one crucial issue in each is a viable one. Do the huge resources invested in the production and marketing of this programme make it cost-effective or even viable for such experiments to be replicated? Or, will it go the way of other experiments—hugely popular while it lasts, but with no continuity or spillover?
Clearly, the issues raised need more than one episode for catalysing change in our behaviour. How will it be able to channelize the current interest on the issues raised, beyond generating donations through SMS and online action?
For going beyond traditional entertainment and bringing back crucial issues into the limelight, Shankar and Khan need to be complimented. Satyamev Jayate certainly boosts the ongoing efforts of numerous activists, civil society and governments on the ground to meet these national challenges. The power of television is finally being put to use—productively.
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May 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM
“Clearly, the show is a milestone in Indian television, not just in terms of the production quality but also because of Khan’s involvement, simultaneous broadcasts across nine channels in four languages, the show timing of 11am on Sunday instead of evening or weekend prime time, and the unprecedented Twitter trends.”
Couldn’t agree more !
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June 1, 2012 at 1:56 AM
Next episode seems to be on Inter caste/religion marriages
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June 1, 2012 at 6:18 AM
this should be interesting.. I’ve been long waiting for this. I liked the third episode (that led to so much debate here!) least. The first has been the best one so far (to my mind). the most visceral in many ways but also as I’ve said earlier it relates to a very specific problem. With child abuse on the other hand it’s a universal issue. On the most recent episode though and while I haven’t followed the reports too closely I find the demand for an apology from Aamir absurd.
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June 1, 2012 at 9:13 AM
Seems like Aamir’s show is creating controversies left,right & centre……This is going to be a bit unsettling for a lot of people imo because it deals with caste and religion
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June 1, 2012 at 12:09 PM
Just finished watching a very constructive follow-up debate on Star News “Asar” programme…Representing the doctors were Dr. Gulati ( who appeared on the programme last week ), Dr. Saini ( representing Indian Medical Association ) & Dr. KK Agrawal ( one of the protesting doctors unhappy with the show last week )…and Aamir of course.
All the issues were discussed in-depth…Aamir stood firm that the show was not anti-doctor and pointedly told Dr. Agrawal that it was a plain misconception on his part. He also added that the show’s intention was to highlight the malpractices prevalent in the medical practice. Both the doctors eventually agreed with him that there were a section of doctors/quacks who were guilty of these & needed to be kicked out of the profession. They felt that the entire medical profession is being maligned because of these black sheeps.
And here is the most interesting part…the show concluded with Aamir proposing that he along with the other 3 doctors meet the Health Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad and put forth their proposals. The doctors readily agreed with Aamir.
The Health Minister can expect visitors soon, I guess !! Very encouraging initiative taken !!!
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June 2, 2012 at 5:48 AM
v.good
Is the health minister a relative of Maulana Azad and therefore a relative of Aamir?
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June 1, 2012 at 3:32 PM
saint ji again
http://www.santabanta.com/cinema.asp?pid=39457
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June 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM
and ya father of imran khan is hindu but he uses the title khan totally ignoring the above logic again
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June 1, 2012 at 1:54 PM
An open letter to Doctors ”offended” by Satyamev Jayate:
Dear doctors,
Immense respect for you, your hardwork and all sacrifices that go in practice of your profession. But it’s surprising and I daresay, even amusing how some of you are lashing out against Satyamev Jayate and Aamir Khan for the episode on medical malpractices in India and think it defamed or demonized ‘’entire’’ medical fraternity!
– Please tell, is there simply no corruption in medical profession? Do no malpractices take place at all? Was everything that was shown in Satyamev Jayate a lie?
– Odd that you give examples of hard work that you do and all sacrifices you doctors make. When did Satyamev Jayate or Aamir Khan or anyone else ever deny your hardwork and struggle? Does highlighting truth of some corrupt doctors amount to ignoring hardwork or status of doctors?! If you work hard or are underpaid, does it mean corruption and malpractices on part of some doctors in your community are justified?
– You say why only corruption in medical profession was highlighted. That is because any corruption and malpractice in your profession directly endangers the very existence and lives of persons! It’s a matter of life and death!!Corruption in no field is justified, but it’s more serious in case of your profession simply because you have more responsibilities than anyone else.
– Aamir Khan’s show even highlighted evils practiced in name of rituals by families in previous episodes. It is not like he came out only against doctors. By counter-pointing fingers against other professionals, what are you trying to prove? Trying to divert attention from the bad apples in your field? Or trying to imply everyone is corrupt, so no big deal about corruption in medical field?!
– Why have you launched hate pages against Mr. Aamir Khan only? Do you think it was only he who spoke on the show? People did not just listen to him. They also listened to accounts of DOCTORS only, like Dr. Gulati and Dr. Pichchad who spoke in detail about medical malpractices on the show! Why don’t you launch campaigns against them? You insult Aamir Khan for just being a filmy hero who knows nothing. But doctors like Dr. Gulati are very much a part of your fraternity and educated too. Were they also telling lies?!
– WHAT WOULD AAMIR KHAN OR DOCTORS LIKE DR. GULATI GAIN BY DEFAMING THE ‘’ENTIRE’’ MEDICAL FRATERNITY AS YOU CLAIMED THEY DID? Anyone speaking out about corrupt doctors is defaming medical profession?!
– Satyamev Jayate never asked doctors to work only for free. You are the ones who took it this way. They only raised points about some doctors charging exorbitant fees for treatment, making it difficult for middle class people and impossible for poor people to get proper treatment! Please tell, are people of the country being provided with affordable healthcare? Is there no doctor who over-charges patients and suggests tests, which are, later found out, sometimes not even required?
– Instead of having healthy debate on issues that plague your field, you even called medical students, patients and victims featured on the show as ‘’hired actors’’ who were mouthing ‘’scripted lines’’?! Wow! Were Dr. Gulati and Dr. Pichchad also ‘’paid actors’’? Were the millions of people who spoke out online, in newspapers and in real life, sharing their experiences of suffering at hands of corrupt doctors – also ‘’paid’’?
– You instantly launched hate campaigns against Aamir Khan, and are now claiming to expose patients featured on the show as fake or liars. Why do you stay silent when cases of corrupt doctors are exposed? Why never launch campaigns to decry those doctors who bring a bad name to your entire medical fraternity?!
– Some of you felt offended why people were asking questions to you after this episode of Satyamev Jayate. Do you want to be trusted blindly? Why does it hurt if patients choose to be alert, vigilant and ask questions in case of doubts? Even the Supreme Court of India guarantees right to patients to ask questions to their doctor! It does not constitute insult to your profession in case patient wants to ask something! Does it? If you’re honest then patients asking any questions should not bother you at all!
– So many books have been written on medical malpractices in India (an example – http://thelastpolymath.com/doctor.html ) and several articles (an example, written by a doctor only – http://expressbuzz.com/search/regulate-rogue-doctors/276316.html ). So many news reports by leading TV channels and newspapers exposing scams of corrupt doctors! Why didn’t you ever protest against them but want apologies for ONE episode of Satyamev Jayate? Is it because a celebrity is a soft target?!
– Some of you are even insulting Aamir Khan’s family, and spreading worst lies about him. Isn’t it odd how you want respect for yourself and your community but make up rumours and lies about even family of Aamir Khan to get back at him and his show?
– Aamir Khan never tried to imply that doctors in foreign countries are better or that he would go only abroad to seek treatment. YOU ARE THE ONE who twisted his statements to intensify hate campaign against him! He joked that he would not be treated in India after this episode, because he had spoken about doctors’ malpractices! And you are only proving his statement right with this persistent campaign against him!
– Agreed conditions of doctors in India are not comparable to those of the UK. But does it mean then corruption and malpractices of some doctors in India are justified, just because they get less benefits compared to doctors in UK?
– Aamir Khan NEVER said ALL doctors take admission by giving donations! YOU ARE THE ONES who generalised his statement! But it is the reality that donations and concept of ‘’paid seats’’ under so-called ‘’management quotas’’ exists! Does it not? Quite a sizeable number of medical students exist in those colleges where they got admission by paying couple of lakhs of rupees!
– Some news about the scams in medical colleges admissions (tip of the iceberg!):
– How The Seats Are Sold – http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100929/main1.htm
– ‘Pay for PG seat, entrance exam is just a formality’ – http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-01-26/chennai/30666460_1_capitation-fee-private-dental-colleges-pg-seat
– Exact stats can never be estimated considering how it’s a ‘’behind-closed-doors’’ phenomenon! Ha! Doctors accuse Aamir Khan for generalising things, but are making huge generalisations themselves to make a case for taking offense to his episode!
– Aamir Khan did not call all doctors as ‘’maut ke saudagar’’. In fact he started off by describing value of doctors in society and in our lives and also featured doctors who are doing good work for the society, like Dr. Devi Shetty and Dr Samit Sharma. But some of you allege he only showed negative examples and didn’t highlight a single doctor doing good work – without even watching the episode properly or simply jumping to conclusions at one statement you disliked!
– It is true that issue of generic medicines vs. Branded medicines is complex and not as simplistic as projected in Satyamev Jayate. But the issue was discussed only in context of providing affordable medicines to poor people! Also, do you deny pharmaceutical companies give gifts and other incentives to doctors to influence them to prescribe medicine of their brand only?
– What about these articles (just one tip of the iceberg!) on nexus between doctors and pharma companies – http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-12-24/hyderabad/27157055_1_doctor-pharmaceutical-companies-pharmaceutical-firms
– http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2009-01-13/india/28057375_1_drug-companies-trade-margins-influence-doctors
– If your profession is all clean then why have even NGOs been created to expose medical negligence and malpractices in India? One of them (started by a doctor only!) even lauded Aamir Khan for exposing the truth in Satyamev Jayate – http://pbtindia.com/archives/1561
– Agreed, not all doctors earn as much as Dr. Devi Shetty does. But does it mean their resorting to corrupt means to make money are JUSTIFIED ‘’because according to you doctors also have right to earn’’?! What kind of argument is this?
– It is true that problems in healthcare are complex and are connected to several other factors – including role of politicians and government. But the purpose of Satyamev Jayate was only to raise awareness of certain malpractices of medical profession in India – which it did!
– As for Aamir Khan charging 3 crore per episode, he is producer of the show and his fees includes salary of 500 people in team of Aamir Khan Productions. He and STAR have spent over Rs. 86 crores in making of this show and making it reach people (which includes setting up special screens in remote villages of India also). What he is earning from the show is not even enough to recover their investment! Also, he is charging from STAR, not from any poor, hapless person from common citizenry! Plus, they are also raising donations for NGOs through this show. It’s only public that is spending too much time and money to defame Aamir Khan & Satyamev Jayate but not thinking of donating to NGOs or trying to debate constructively to find solutions to problems!
Dear doctors, instead of spending so much time online and elsewhere spreading hate campaign against Aamir Khan, demanding apology and even trolling his fan pages across the web, better try to spend time and brains on exposing the corrupt ones in your own field due to whom your entire fraternity gets a bad name and please suggest solutions to curb malpractices so that patients also benefit and your medical fraternity also gets due respect!
Here’s one doctor who appreciated this episode of Satyamev Jayate, but politely suggested solutions and constraints of medical profession without merely lashing out. – http://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2012/05/satyamev-jayate-episode-4-healthcare/
Let’s have some constructive debate to look for solutions, than indulge in mudslinging. Even if Aamir Khan apologises as you want him to, it won’t sweep issue of medical malpractices under the carpet! Let’s focus on issues that matter!
Thank you!
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June 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM
no one is questioning doctor’s hard work and struggle but most are questioning the research which is not proper and ya most can still question the malware practice in film industry or aamir khan respectively…whats the big deal its a free society
there are paid seats ya but compared to engineering how many seats are availaible first…in india there is acute shortage of doctors as it is also the technical course with highest duration of time
healthy debates only come up proper research and ya even aamir khan the show does not have guts to name big pharma companies as they know they can be easily sued
logic is aamir khan is not charging from poor( and not earning anything commercially which it itself is bullshit ) but is he not aware that poor don’t go to costly hospitals
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June 1, 2012 at 3:54 PM
and ya airtel is not earning anything from satyamev jayate and neither do reliance….who will buy this
aamir is not attempting anything from home made money to make this show …advertising revenue don’t go to channels
hail the attempt (pun intended)
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June 2, 2012 at 12:43 PM
It is really true what Aamir show in SJ, Today’s Doctor just 1 2 make more buck quickly at the expenses of poor patient…. so why the doctor’s are panicking…???? They 1 2 hide their evil deed, they dn’t 1 2 show their real face… Thumps Up to Aamir, keep going… we love u and like ur SJ very much…
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June 3, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Javed Akhtar @Javedakhtarjadu
Indian medical association wants Aamir to apologise for exposing corruption in their profession . That is really sick !!!
Javed Akhtar @Javedakhtarjadu
It is not Aamir Khan but some immoral dishonest greedy and corrupt doctors who are insulting the medical profession and many honest doctors.
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June 3, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Don’t think there’s anything more to be added to this. There is no great ‘debate’ to be mined here.
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June 3, 2012 at 11:49 AM
Thank you for posting these tweets- I agree completely.
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June 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM
I am myself against the fact that doctors are asking for apology from Aamir.the show has done no wrong. but some selfish people r using it to vent their anger against medical community. the way some of the comments r there on this thread itself, it seems doctors r the most corrupt in this world. if they think so, these people should not visit a doctors. if doctors decide to go on a strike, the govt. and entire country will bow down and then realise their importance
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June 3, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Also just a question to people? why should the standards of expected moral behaviour for doctors higher than for other people? shouldn’t the playing field be level for everyone? why is such an outrage only against doctors and not against engineers and civil professionals etc which r much more corrupt? and why does govt. pay doctors so less compared to their services?
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June 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Not endorsing one side or the other but the doctor’s relationship with the patient is a much more personal and intimate one and hence the betrayal of trust is much greater.
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June 6, 2012 at 2:20 PM
How my belief that SJ is actually a poorly researched,hollow and an ambiguous show stands vindicated.I had not spoken on this doctors thing as I was perfectly sure that the doctor referred to in the show would himself retort back. And with logic.It is no big deal that even an MBBS can own literally uneducated/uninformed people like Aamir Khan and his team.
Here is the well drafted and well-explained response.
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For Aamir Khan and Satyamev Jayate Team. The other side of the story (letter from the nephrologist who treated the case of Organ transplant).
Aamir Khan and his famed ‘research’ team should have checked the facts before airing this concocted story on national television. It is sad that the medical profession is being brought to disrepute to increase the TRPs of the show.
Eye opener
Respected Aamir Khan Ji
I watched with shock and despair the Satyamev Jayate program of May 27, 2012. I am responding since you referred to me although you do not know me. I am the Nephrologist that you referred to while conversing with Mr. Rai. Mr. Rai has been making false and fabricated allegations for the past 2 years. While talking to you, in addition to providing you with false information, he also withheld crucial facts.Over the past 2 years, Mr. Rai has been harassing the Transplant surgeon and myself (Nephrologist) and the Hospital by filing multiple and concurrent complaints at various fora whether or not they have any role on his complaints. With his manipulations, he has succeeded to a great extent in bringing to a standstill transplant surgeries at the the Hospital which has caused a great deal of hardship to several patients. In addition, he has also caused immense damage to the noble field of cadaver transplantation in Karnataka State.Once you are aware of the actual facts, I have no doubt that you will express regret for having given platform to a sophisticated lier with immense theatrical and manipulative skills.Here are some facts that shed light on the truth.
1. Mr. Rai never informed you that Mrs. Seema Rai underwent cadaver donor transplantation and was registered for a cadaver transplantation more than one year prior to surgery. The phone call on the night of admission was made because a suitable cadaver donor had been identified by ZCCK (Government body that allocates cadaver organs) and not by the doctors or the Hospital. Cadaver transplantation has to be done emergently, otherwise the organ(s) will decay within hours and become useless. That is why the patient was admitted on Saturday night (1 May 2010). The patient and her family were all informed about risks and benefits of transplantation for more than 2 years (since June 2008). In fact, whenever the patient consulted me she was eager to get kidney transplant so that she could stop the misery of undergoing dialysis. You can ask any dialysis patient, they will inform that they do not want dialysis but prefer transplantation.
2. Mr. Rai, Mrs. Rai and Abha Rai all were again counseled for more than 1 hour on the night of admission about kidney and pancreas transplantation. Subsequently they also discussed with their relative in New York. Then on the night of 1 May itself Mr. Rai personally informed me and other doctors to proceed with kidney + pancreas transplantation. The Informed Consent form was signed on the night of 1 May itself and handed over the ward doctor. These facts have been documented by the nurse as well as the ward resident doctor. The State Medical Council as well as the National Law School of India have investigated the Informed Consent issue and clearly stated that Informed Consent was indeed taken prior to surgery. In fact, if the Informed Consent was not given on the night of 1 May, the cadaver organ would have been allocated to the next patient on the waiting list for cadaver transplantation who was also admitted to another Hospital on the same night for possible transplant surgery. (Whenever a cadaver donor is available, several patients on the waiting list such as Seema Rai are called and advised to get admitted so that the cadaver organ does not get wasted in case one or more patients are found to be unfit or do not want surgery.) If Mrs. Rai and her family had not consented for the surgery on the night of 1 May, then a surgeon from another Hospital would have proceeded to retrieve the cadaver organ on the night of 1 May. The surgeon from our hospital would have gone home. The very fact that our surgeon traveled on the midnight hours of Saturday to the donor Hospital and brought back the cadaver organs by about 5.30 AM on a Sunday morning suggests that the patient and family indeed had agreed for the surgery.
3. Mr. Rai also concealed from you the fact that he had telephoned the Nephrologist several times on the night of 1 May to seek help to arrange for a special medicine (Simulect) that was to be given to the patient in the Operating Theater before the transplant procedure. The Nephrologist had personally called the Pharmaceutical company on Saturday night to help Mr. Rai to procure the medicine. The Nephrologist had given personal surety to the Company since Mr. Rai told him that he did not have cash to purchase the medicine in the middle of the night. In fact, Mr. Rai procured the medicine at about 7.30 AM on 2 May (Sunday) and handed the same to the Operating theater staff. If the patient and Mr. Rai had not consented for the surgery, why would he purchase the medicine and hand it over to the Hospital staff?
3. Mr. Rai never asked the doctors or any other Hospital staff not to proceed with the surgery at any time. He was plainly lying when he made a statement to that effect to you. If in fact, the patient and her family had not consented for the surgery, that would have been Mr. Rai’s first and major complaint when he filed an FIR with the police on 30 May 2010 accusing the doctors of murder. In his initial complaint to the police as well as to the State Medical Council, Mr. Rai never complained that he or the patient had not consented for the surgery. This fabricated allegation is clearly an afterthought on Mr. Rai’s part.
4. The patient did not receive 119 units of blood, i.e., 60 liters of blood. She received 33 units of blood over 4 days which is about 13 liters of blood since she had developed a massive bleeding condition called Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (DIC). She also received platelets, FFP and other blood products to correct DIC. The doctors never told Mr. Rai and his family that 390 cc of blood would be required. No doctor can predict the exact amount of blood loss in a given patient who undergoes surgery. Besides, the large requirement of blood in this patient was due to the fact she developed a medical complication called DIC which can happen after any major surgery or major trauma. Normally in transplant surgeries, we do not transfuse any blood at all.
5. The transplant surgeon is highly qualified to conduct pancreatic transplantation as well as kidney transplantation. He is trained at well known Hospitals in the United States where he had conducted numerous multi-organ transplantation surgeries. All relevant documents were reviewed by the Health Department before the Hospital was granted registration for multi-organ transplant surgeries in March 2010.
6. Mr. Rai was again lying when he stated that the doctors had switched off their phone on 6 May after the patient’s death. In fact, Mr. Rai spoke to the doctors several times after the patient’s death. This can be easily verified by looking at Mr. Rai’s phone records.
7. The Hospital was registered for multi-organ transplantation. There was a clerical error in the Certificate which was acknowledged by the Health Department. The Health Department have clearly stated in their report that registration for liver includes pancreas as well (since the skill required for transplantation of both these organs is one and the same).
8. Mr. Rai also withheld from you that the Karnataka Medical Council has thoroughly investigated the case and found no evidence of any negligence on the part of the doctors.
9. Mr. Rai also withheld the fact the Hospital bill was not for the surgery alone. Most of the cost was due the use of blood and blood products and other medicines which was necessitated by the development of DIC and infection. If the patient had not developed DIC, the bill for a transplant surgery would have been about Rs. 3.5 lakhs. In fact, there was no additional charge for pancreas at all. Whether the patient received cadaver kidney or cadaver kidney + pancreas, the bill would have been the same. There was absolutely no financial motive in recommending the combined surgery. The surgeon recommended combined surgery because diabetic kidney failure patients do much better with combined cadaver kidney + pancreas surgery than cadaver kidney transplant alone. This has been well established in the medical literature. The surgeon made the recommendation with the best interest of the patient in mind. Even todate Mr. Rai has not produced any scientific evidence or professional opinion to contradict the recommendation of the transplant surgeon. All transplant specialists who have reviewed the case (from AIIMS-New Delhi, PGI-Chandigarh, Chennai, Bangalore, and USA) have unanimously opined that the patient received the best possible treatment and that her death, although very unfortunate, was not due to any negligence on the part of the doctors or the Hospital.
10. Mr. Rai also did not inform you on the Air that he has filed a complaint with the Consumer Forum seeking compensation of Rs. 84,55,933/-. I am sure Mr. Rai has used his theatrical skills to convince you and your team about his false allegations. I am also confident that you will realize the lapse your research team has done once all the facts become apparent. I am enclosing a detailed Medical History as well and other documents that shed light on true facts.After my medical college, I studied and then worked in the United States for nearly 16 years. I came back with a dream to serve my countrymen. However, now after going through the mental trauma caused by a reckless individual who is inadvertently abetted by a corrupt officialdom and a thoughtless media, I am beginning to wonder if I made a mistake in returning to India. Perhaps, I should also go back to the United States like the doctor that you showed in the opening sequence of your program who returned to the UK because of the corrupt system in India.
I invite you and your team to visit the Hospital, meet other patients who have undergone/undergoing dialysis, patients who have had transplant surgery, and meet the Transplant surgeon so that you can clarify all the facts for yourself.Please do not hesitate to contact me if you need any clarifications.
-Dr. R. Sreedhara
Nephrologist
Guess Aamir should get up from his cosy sofa and apologise.It is a practice rampant to blame the doctor if the patient dies.Guess the illiterate Aamir does not know that metabolic reactions in body do not follow the rules that he think it should!
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June 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM
But even if the doctor is being completely accurate here it doesn’t change the validity of the larger topic. It certainly is a black mark against the show if true but it’s not as if Aamir is personally researching everything’ C’mon! Think you are smart enough to know that. Which doesn’t mean he doesn’t have responsibility but that’s a different debate.
Also the problem is and given your previous and current comments on Aamir I don’t entirely find you the most credible commentator on him. So alright, and even assuming this is completely accurate, aren’t you using this as a stick to beat Aamir with? Something you probably wanted to do anyway and were waiting for the right opportunity?! So even as you’re pretending to criticize Aamir for the lack of research or whatever and hence implying a problem of responsibility and/or ethics what about your own? You know very well Aamir isn’t doing the research himself. His staff ought to be blamed, he certainly has the responsibility because it’s his name on the show and hence he should apologize if this is all true. But it’s not as if you’re really having a very honest about this are you? When it comes to SRK you do the opposite, there you use the very examples you criticize. So there you might use Aamir or Bachchan or whoever to deflect criticism of SRK. Why? If someone is inherently problematic he shouldn’t be quoted at all. At least not in the sense of being endorsed for a position.
A lot of these things might seem unconnected but I’m trying to make a larger point about honesty here. Would you really point this out if SRK had been in the same situation? Doubt it! And I’m not even saying you shouldn’t bring this up. Just that a) don’t use this as an excuse to beat up on Aamir b) the issue exists and is a problem even if his example here was wrong on the facts.
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June 6, 2012 at 2:41 PM
In similar vein I can easily conclude your views on SRK from time to time as an opportunity to vent out your feelings.But I never counter-act your arguments by challenging your bent of mind.That is a lame excuse anyways. I was not waiting to hit out at Aamir,I can do that using mahy other stuffs. I was serious about this stuff.Had also written a letter to IMA and will write another.Will put the letter content once matter ends.My gravity if judged according to my priorities will make the stand of many on this forum almost invalid. It is not just about SRK or Aamir here.Neither can you convince me that Aamir is better,Neither can I convince you in the reverse. But the fact is that Aamir Khan whom you project as a man who is taking up a social cause and is so sincere in it,if commits such a mistake,is almost unpardonable.You make the standard so superior for him and then when he commits such an act,you ask pardon based on the fact that he is just hosting the show and not researching it. Aamir is the face of SJ.He should take total responsibility for this. My views on Aamir may be different but I am not seeing it myopically as you make it seem.The problem of rape exists at large.Does that mean I will pick anyone and proclaim that he is a rapist without any proper research. That is as absurd it can get!
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June 6, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Actually you can’t challenge me on SRK because my views on him are perfectly consistent with my views elsewhere. You can’t challenge me on him because I am challenging Bachchan on his own blog. I could go on and on. You’re not doing this. You don’t say anything about SRK. And you’re not even on his blog!
On the rest of your statement there are so many red herrings here that it’s hard to know where to begin. I think I’ve made my point here. So yeah calling anyone a rapist is like making a mistake (again assuming it’s true) on one out of a 100 stories one is doing for lots of episodes!
On Aamir/SRK I’m not trying to convince anyone. Specially not the ‘unpersuadable’! But here there are simply too many red herrings.
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June 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM
By the way there’s a nice trick that those who don’t like Aamir have increasingly started using. Can’t argue against the films (some still do but they know that’s not very serious and they won’t have many takers for that view that SRK and Aamir are doing the very same quality of cinema!) so move it to Aamir and say he’s insincere about everything he utters or does. All I say is: more power to such insincerity!
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June 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM
How is it logical that if you are consistent with your views on SRK,it cannot be challenged.I am not challenging your consistency nor wish to but I am just pointing out the fallacy I feel is rampant therein. How does it matter that you criticise Bachchan a lot? I could use my own bent of over-praising Big B to defend myself against a notion that “SRK fans don’t like Bachchan”. And the fact is I do praise Bachchan a lot..have done so many times in past.Rajen Bhai can testify that.How does it matter that you are on Bachchan’s blog.I don’t want to be.I do not care what he thinks about which day.I am rather interested in his recitation videos of poetry,especially Madhushala.I rather watch his interviews,his movies,and watch KBC avidly just to admire the hosting.I am least interested in the questions or the prize. My way of admiration can be different than yours.But then whatever it be,.what are you trying to prove.
I don’t criticise SRK!! That is an assumption.I was blasted during OSO for my continuous invasion of that idiotic film.Yes since I like him,I do like most of his movies.As you see Abhishek as a rebel,i see SRK as a charismatic actor.What is wrong in that?What I do or not does not apply to the way you perceive me.I can also be dismissive about you but I am not.Each one has opinion.You have one,I have one!
Reagrds Aamir,I am not the one who has jumped on this opportunity to attack him.I criticize his approach towards emoting and acting a lot,I can criticize the texture of so many of his films and on the same hand love him in quite a few films.But how does that influence you.I fail to understand. I would rather see a journo do such a show rather than an actor who has no credentials to host such a show that requires not onlt his “team” researching but also requires the host to be well-read,which Mr.Aamir is not.So thumbs down to such “sincerity”!!
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June 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM
My point is about ideological consistency. And about maintaining the same positions in every context. So it’s not about questioning Bachchan in the abstract but questioning him for the same reasons that I question a number of others things in other contexts. Much as when I question Kashyap it too is the very same impulse. Or when I question things about SRK I am coming from the same space. So it’s not about personal likes or dislikes. Those are different debates. I am not at all arguing about whether you like or dislike Abhishek, like or dislike SRK and so on. But it’s also a fact that you attack certain actors (in this case Abhishek and Aamir) very viciously where it is quite clear that the source of dislike isn’t an ‘idea’ that is dear to you but which they’re against. For example you keep calling Aamir a “midget”. Check out this comment:
“What about a midget clown who is veering towards mundane,ambiguous and superficial in the name of earning some social mileage.To add to the woes of the midget even the men who went to the circus to watch him have left causing the TRP to be such dismal that the heartburn is evident in above comment”
Is this a reasonable comment by any stretch of the imagination? It is a set of petty, nasty insults. It’s one thing if you were saying so as a joke or whatever. But here it is to meant very seriously as part of a larger criticism. Today you called him “illiterate”. There’s a great deal of very personal kind of harshness here. Which is your prerogative but since you’ve asked I don’t say such things about SRK or any actor I don’t like. And so this is not what I call consistency. It’s not about liking one actor and not another but the terms of the debate for each. Again you imply in the same comment I’ve posted above later on that at least SRK is not ‘fake’ like Aamir with his social stuff and so on. That is being inconsistent. Why? Because you suddenly introduce a new category here. I might think many things about SRK but when he does a Swades I don’t say it’s all fake. I might have many problems with MNIK but overall I wasn’t too negative on the film. In fact was more positive on the performance. If any and every film an actor does is not liked and vice versa that’s not consistency. That’s blindness. It ought to be possible to appreciate a worthwhile work even if one doesn’t like the actor. I think it bespeaks smallness to hinge everything on one’s opinion of a star.
In the same way in your diatribe on Abhishek it is quite evident you think there is nothing right with him or his films. No one likes him and so on. So again an extreme set of views driven by nothing more than your animus. For you any film that Aamir or Abhishek do can never be good (or in Aamir’s case ‘fake’) while for someone like SRK a totally different set of rules applies. My quarrel isn’t that you find SRK charismatic but that because you find him charismatic you rewrite all the rules for him. This too isn’t consistency. It’s a fanatical approach to actors. And I’m not using this word as an insult. A fanatical attitude is about blindly supporting a not a whole series of things just because there’s a name attached to it. I don’t like Dil Se less because SRK’s in it!
So I don’t define consistency in just any way. It has to be exhibited across the board in some reasonable sense. I mentioned some of the examples that I did only because when I questioned you on Aamir you said it was just like my statements on SRK. Which it most certainly wasn’t.
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June 6, 2012 at 11:00 PM
“What about a midget clown who is veering towards mundane,ambiguous and superficial in the name of earning some social mileage.To add to the woes of the midget even the men who went to the circus to watch him have left causing the TRP to be such dismal that the heartburn is evident in above comment””
Can I have the comment of Shubh most probably against whom this comment was made!
Then I shall elaborate!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:10 PM
here is Shubh’s comment:
[Circus is inevitable when you have the biggest clown of Indian politics & biggest clown of Bollywood at the centre stage…the captain, cricketers & most importantly the great game of cricket shamelessly relegated to the sidelines !!!}
I would submit ‘clown’ and ‘midget’ are not the same kind of insult. But leaving this aside so what if Shubh said that? If someone followed up your ‘midget’ comment with something worse I’d say the same thing. One doesn’t have to go down to anyone’s level much less surpass it!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:15 PM
Dont go by trps to judge a show. Starplus’s 3 crap shows are topping the trp charts. First it was SNS, now it is DABH and EHMMBH. While better shows are languishing and are being taken off air.
As for midget remark, I find it rather cute and sweet.
I love midgets and dwarfs. I also love clowns as they make me laugh. Afterall laughter is the best medicine. Shakespeare’sclowns and circus clowns.
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June 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Satyam, do you read your cpmments after you have written them? If you do, you’ll see how weak your whole argument is. I had missed this exchange and am now discovering that you are no ‘doodh ka dhula’. You are just not accepting something right there, but taking refuge in bringing ones background as proof for discarding ones comment. You do that with all those who are not in your ‘clique’.
You do the same with my comments.
Either be honest and allow people to express opposite views without sabotaing their efforts with such a stance that you are showing here or clearly declare that ones views are not welcome.
Your browbeating of Graduates comment here by diverting the discussion into an entirely different drection -as you do with mine – is very discouraging.
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June 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Oldgold.. didn’t think you’d find Graduate’s ‘midget’ reference of Aamir very problematic. Those might be your preferred commentators on Aamir. They’re not mine!
On the rest can’t change your mind..
By the way I have been waiting for the anti-friend brigade since yesterday!
And since you seem to be ‘interested’ in the facts I don’t think the facts of those piece have ever been established. Still I have said if it turns out to be true Aamir should apologize. But in a season with so many episodes where he’s not personally researching everything it’s absurd to call him out for this. The Graduate claims he always believed the show wasn’t well-researched and has now found his proof. How come he always believed this without even seeing such a story? But yeah that’s the kind of ‘fairness’ you appreciate when it comes to Aamir! Gimme a break!
But I do admit guilt in one matter. I never revisit my comments. I find it unbearable to have to read them!
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June 7, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Don’t forget that you (and co) are the anti-friend of the anti-friends 😉
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June 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM
Now here is my point.
My retort as I distinctly remembered was to Shubh’s commentary on that KKR winning IPL5 thread wherein he was on purpose going on posting articles making it evident he was not happy somewhere.Okay if he does not like SRK ,no problem! He hates KKR,he is welcome! But as I enraged you somewhere by my draft on Junior B in the “Kashyap thread” and made you mock me that you can drive trucks through my commentary,similarly I was amused/enraged at SRK being called clown of Bollwyood and what not.So I just retorted back. I did not change mys stance.A debate would have been if the opposite party would have been speaking sensible.I was just retorting on a superficial level.That does not mean that I do not appreciate Aamir where I feel he should be appreciated.I do not change my stance on Lagaan or Sarfarosh just because Shubh called SRK a clown or I retorted by saying Aamir is a midget! That is all!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:30 PM
Actually I enjoy these taunts and criticism levelled against these stars as a sort of poetic justice. It balances things out.
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June 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM
You seem to like ‘gay’ for SRK
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June 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM
Who doesnt like tautology?
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June 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM
I prefer synonyms 😉
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June 6, 2012 at 2:50 PM
Since I am off for duty,I will request Saurabh or Rajen bhai to explain any technical term/clause to anyone who wishes to!
Thanks!
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June 6, 2012 at 2:59 PM
Agreed completely with Graduate here. brilliantly put.
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June 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM
@satyam
>But in a season with so many episodes where he’s not personally researching everything it’s absurd to call him out for this.
LOL!!
I don’t believe you’re really sayingthis.
So otherwise all the praise is being heaped upon him, ‘take a bow’ – ‘ etc etc, but when it comes to this then it isn^t his fault.
Is that an excuse that – with SO MANY EPISODES. Why did he go for quantity instead of quality? Is one to give him leeway for that?
Of course one is waiting to puncture a bloated ego (at least I am, and I won’t deny it).
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June 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM
If I thought he didn’t have any responsibility I wouldn’t have said that he should apologize if these allegations are true. But the fact is that he’s not doing the research himself. C’mon, you know this!
But also doesn’t the opposite logic apply to you. If he doesn’t really deserve credit for anything but does he get it for a potential or actual goof-up?!
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June 7, 2012 at 11:09 PM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Prakash-Raj-to-direct-Aamir-Khan/articleshow/13897534.cms
Satyam, this is a good news as Abhiyum….is a wonderful film and I’ve already seen it twice
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June 7, 2012 at 11:11 PM
agree satyam, also it was the doctors themselves who were critical about their fraternity – unless people infer that it was all “doctored” by aamir 😉
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June 7, 2012 at 11:14 PM
“But the fact is that he’s not doing the research himself. C’mon, you know this!”
So the best he should do is either do proper reading himself or stop being spoon-fed by his team or change it!
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June 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM
If True than it shows shoddy research and aamir needs to speak up and clarify the facts and own the responsibility. If he partakes most of the praise then he must be ready to own the failures and wrong reporting also.
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June 6, 2012 at 2:57 PM
agreed..
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June 6, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Thank heavenly Lord We Agreed on something at last 🙂
Hope Rajen wont come here again with his “Ignore” comments 🙂 Kidding
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June 6, 2012 at 3:07 PM
“You can ask any dialysis patient, they will inform that they do not want dialysis but prefer transplantation.”
That is a false statement.
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June 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM
Read page 5 in recommendation.
Click to access 02.pdf
“As seen from the statement of Doctors (Annexure – I), Dr.Ramesh of Zonal Coordination Com-rnittee,
Karanataka (ZCCK) had telephonically authorized Dr.Ramacl’raran of Fortis Hospitai to
retlieve kidney and pancreas to be irnplanted to Smt.Seema Rai. The authorj.zation
through telephonic communication only has been ath’ibuted to the urgency involved in
the matter.”
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June 6, 2012 at 2:53 PM
Aamir Khan’s Interview- he also explians his crying moments-
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-right-centre/controversy-over-satyamev-jayate-is-the-truth-bitter/235091?pfrom=home-topstories
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June 6, 2012 at 2:58 PM
U seem to be avid NDTV watcher… bahut confusing hain Lol !
Pro congress and pro left channel ( pro srk also)
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June 6, 2012 at 3:01 PM
ha ha..Rocky apney doston ka haal pooche na Poochey, apney dushmano kee khabar zaroor rakhta hai…LOL
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June 6, 2012 at 3:03 PM
LOL!
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June 6, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Ha ha ! Line of the day
Zyaada samay na bitana Rocky kahin ‘Stockholm syndrome’ na hoo jaye .. LOL !
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June 6, 2012 at 8:42 PM
@Munna
If transplantation offers an escape from weekly dialysis,a person who can afford it will go for it,definitely. That is a simple thought.
I am in angst as this whole episode was one sided.
My main issue here is:
Why wasn’t the fact that KMC[Karnataka Medical Association] had heard and ruled in favour of the doctor declared open on TV.You cannot hide facts.It is not a good stuff.
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June 6, 2012 at 9:57 PM
They didn’t say it explicitly but if you read page5 of pdf, there are bunch of recommendations. They said there was lapse in post treatment which actually caused death.
But I agree opposite side should be given chance to defend like the Khaps.
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June 6, 2012 at 10:54 PM
The more KMC makes noise, the more truths will come out. If the IMA is really bothered about doctors reputation, they should have gone to court directly instead of asking for a mere apology which will not be that effective to restore Sita’s dignity.
Aamir never apologised to gujarat government or modi for his narmada remarks inspite of huge losses for Fanaa and he instead was ready to compensate Chopras.
Now I would like him to become a full time social activist and take on many causes which he was trying to avoid due to sensitive natures of those issues.
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June 6, 2012 at 11:01 PM
The point is KMC reports has holes and they might be another body like MCI to look after each others back. Like the signature was taken during Dialysis. Phone consent was taken because it was needed quickly.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:06 AM
It is mandatory for the doctor to take consent and signature for each procedure.Blanket Consent does not work except in case of emergency.In case of emergency,infact consent is implied!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:06 PM
Sanjana,
The hearing by KMC was done.The report was attached.No lapses were found in doctor’s approach.After all they did not work on Blanket Consent.No one does!!
I do not care whether Aamir becomes a social activist or not but I do care that he cannot chose to term anyone anything just because he is hosting a show.I very much believe he went with the notion that whatever I speak againts these docs will be accepted as I will be representing a generalised notion.But that notion seems has hit him back.In this case since he opined with bias without allowing the other side a chance,if IMA goes to court,which it will eventually,Aamir will face an unnecessary defamation suit.
I am not against exposing malpractices but I am against taking an issue and idiotically making it seem one-sided when the truth might be something else!
God Bless such activists!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:18 PM
He could have called Sreedhara for his take. It would have been fair.
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June 6, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Agree there Sanjana! Love your name–reminds me of names pof Kjo and Chopra’s flicks! Aha!
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June 6, 2012 at 11:53 PM
I felt that the host looked rather naive and wide eyed. A much more erudite go getter like Karan Thapar would have handled it differently.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:17 AM
Aamir Khan deserves praise, not attacks!
http://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/outsideedge/entry/aamir_khan_deserves_praise_not_attacks
Aamir Khan’s recent episode of Satyamev Jayate seems to have created quite a furore in the medical community. The India Medical Association (IMA) have accused Aamir of unfairly targeting them and have demanded an unconditional apology from him. They have threatened to boycott his program and also his films.
The controversy surrounding this program follows a very familiar pattern. For example, from the time the anti-corruption movement was started by Anna Hazare and his team, one common refrain was, “You can’t paint all politicians with a broad brush and say that everyone is corrupt.” The fact is no one ever said that. The other common refrain was, “You can’t end corruption with one law — the Lokpal Bill” The fact is, once again, no one ever made such a claim. The need of the hour is that you have to start somewhere.
The same holds true for Aamir’s exposé on the medical profession. I saw the program and I thought that Aamir had done a wonderful job of putting the show together. There was absolutely nothing in the episode that said that all doctors are bad or corrupt. It highlighted the fact that there is growing corruption in the medical profession and something needs to be done to at least curb, if not put an end to, this malaise. In a developing country like India, the government needs to play its part in ensuring that its citizens, especially the poor, have adequate, affordable healthcare.
Most of us can attest to having experienced, at some time or the other, very positive personal experiences with doctors, especially in smaller towns. The doctor, an individual sometimes with very impressive credentials, sees you, talks with you patiently, examines you, and writes you a prescription. He or she goes to the extent of saying, “Buy the first medicine on the list, but buy the second one only if you don’t see any improvement.” And finally, when asked how much the fees were, the doctor would simply say, “I leave it to you.” There are scores of doctors across the country who operate like this with the utmost honesty, simplicity and sincerity. Besides, our doctors have the ability to be the best in the world simply because of the sheer volume of patients that they come across in their careers. Unfortunately, the profession also has its share of extreme cases, some of whose corrupt practices were depicted in Aamir’s show. The truth is, like everything else in life, the medical profession has its share of villains. Rather than shoot down the messenger, let’s accept this, and work to reform the system, especially when there are clear signs that it is headed in the wrong direction.
Meanwhile, Aamir Khan deserves all the kudos and encouragement for his efforts. It’s a terrific use of his celebrity status to spread awareness and bring about social and political change. A show of this nature is very unique and path-breaking in Indian television history. Some of the BBC documentaries and Bill Moyers on PBS in the US come to mind, but Aamir’s effort is brilliantly tuned to the Indian audience – an optimal package of a social message, highlighting the need for change, riding on the back of the crowd-pulling ability of a top movie star. There is no doubt that the program involves hours of meticulous research and planning. Besides, it is a refreshing change from the endless stream of movies, film songs, cricket telecasts, and talking heads spewing sound-bites and stirring up non-existent controversies in the name of news.
Aamir’s Satyamave Jayate has the potential to set in motion several positive changes in television media. Firstly, it can set the stage for more educative television shows without the chore associated with conventional education-related programming. It can also pave the way for more documentary film-making and increase the general interest in documentary films among the viewing public, especially if it involves the presence of a celebrity.
Lastly, if more of our movie stars devised such creative ways to put their celebrity status to good use, positive social change in India could be significantly expedited. Thus far, we associate our movie stars primarily with dancing around trees, buying cricket teams, endorsing endless list of products, or cashing in on their fame and connections to land plum Parliamentary posts. With his Satyameva Jayate effort, Aamir Khan has opened up new substantive avenues for his filmy brethren. Let’s hope others in the film industry will be inspired to follow suit, just as similar looking and sounding item numbers are transmogrified from movie to movie.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Female foeticide: Maharashtra doctor in police custody
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_female-foeticide-maharashtra-doctor-in-police-custody_1697657
A doctor and two midwives were on Sunday remanded to police custody till June 6 by a Maharashtra court for allegedly dumping two female foetuses under a flyover here.
“The magistrate’s court has remanded doctor Shivaji Sanap and midwives Javadebai and Ghighebai to police custody till June 6. They were taken into custody late Saturday after we traced the dumped foetuses to Sanap’s hospital,” Vidyanand Kale, investigating officer, told IANS.
Beed is a district in central Maharashtra, around 450 km from Mumbai.
The government has constituted five teams, each comprising a tehsildar, a medical officer, a block development officer and a police sub-inspector, to check female foeticide in the district.
Maharashtra Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan Saturday announced a reward for Rs.5 lakh for anyone who exposes a female foeticide case.
Beed was in news last month after an illegal abortion racket, involving a doctor couple, was exposed in Parli town. Accused Sudam Munde and his wife Saraswati Munde are still absconding.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Ace city cancer doc held guilty of negligence
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-07-06/mumbai/29743084_1_negligence-case-cancer-patient-case-papers
MUMBAI: The Esplanade court on Tuesday held world-renowned cancer surgeon Dr Praful B Desai guilty in a negligence case filed against him 23 years ago by a retired IAS officer, P C Singhi.
On December 22, 1987 Desai had attempted to operate on Singhi’s wife Leela, who was suffering from cancer, even though doctors in the US had said she was ‘inoperable’ . Leela died at home in 1989.
Since then, the 84-year-old Singhi, a cancer survivor, has been fighting for justice. At the time, Desai was attached to Bombay Hospital.
An additional chief metropolitan magistrate, on Tuesday, said he had gone through the evidence and held Desai “guilty of negligence” . The eminent oncologist, who is now 76 years old, was asked to pay Rs 50,000 compensation. The magistrate also asked the doctor to remain till the ‘rising of the court’ . Dr Desai denied that Leela was his patient. He said his name appeared in the case papers as a mere formality.
A matter of life & death
On December 22, 1987, cancer patient Leela Singhi taken for surgery at Bombay Hospital under Dr P B Desai’s care. But on opening her up, it was found that she could not be operated on. So, Leela was “stitched up” On September 7, 1988, Leela’s husband P C Singhi filed a medical negligence case.
He later sought Rs 30L from Desai On February 26, 1989, Leela passed away in Jaipur A Mumbai court on Tuesday found Desai guilty under Section 338 of IPC Desai was confined for an hour till the rising of the court, and allowed to leave after paying a bail bond. He was also asked to pay Rs 50,000 to Singhi
Oldest medical negligence case comes to an end
Singhi, who has been pursuing the case doggedly, said he only wanted an apology from the doctor. Meanwhile, Desai paid a bail bond of Rs 10,000 and left the court premises by 4.30 pm. He had come to court alone without any family members.
The case is of historical proportion, said lawyers. The battle was a tough one with Desai opposing and challenging every judicial development. The case also led to the first-ever witness deposition in a criminal trial via video conferencing. In 2003 the New York-based Dr Ernest Greenberg gave his witness statements as to how surgery was not advisable in the case.
The IAS officer’s wife, Leela, a cancer patient since 1977 Greenberg and other doctors in the US. They had advised her against any further surgery as the cancerous tumour had spread to the uterus and could result in excessive bleeding.
When they returned to India, and her condition worsened, Mukherji, then Desai’s assistant, had recommended that Leela be admitted as Desai’s patient at Bombay Hospital.
She was admitted to Bombay Hospital on December 9, 1987 as Desai’s patient. According to the retired IAS officer, Leela was Desai’s patient and after examining her on December 17, 1987 he had recommended and set up a date for her surgery despite the patient’s “protests”.
According to Singhi, Desai asked his assistant K Mukherji to open up the abdomen for the surgery and call him when things were ready as he was in another operation theatre. When Mukherji opened up the patient he realised that surgery was not advisable. Without even checking on his patient, Desai asked Mukherji to stitch up the abdomen. Singhi said that after the surgery attempt, his 54-year-old wife was in considerable pain. She finally returned to her home in Jaipur. She passed away on February 26, 1989.
Even before his wife’s death, Singhi filed a case of medical negligence against the doctor. But things moved only when the Maharashtra Medical Council in 1991 held Desai guilty under its code of ethics and issued him a warning.
Desai in his defence maintained that it was not his case. He said Leela was his assistant Mukherji’s patient and since junior doctors were not allowed to admit patients under their own name, the names of the senior surgeon would appear in the case papers. “Such senior surgeons whose name appeared as a formality had no responsibility towards such patients. My role was limited to only giving an opinion as she had been referred to me by Mukherji,” Desai argued before the court, but to little avail.
Last November the Esplanade Court had discharged Mukherji after the state government in a belated act, said it had no evidence to proceed with the trial against him. The detailed court order will be available at a later date.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Dr Praful Desai’s case an imporantant lesson of medical negligence’
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_dr-praful-desai-s-case-an-imporantant-lesson-of-medical-negligence_1596932
The Maharashtra Medical Council (MMC) believes Dr Praful Desai’s case is an important lesson for the fraternity. The oncologist from Bombay Hospital was found guilty of medical negligence by the Esplanade court last July in connection with a case filed against him by retired IAS officer PC Singhi, 23 years ago.
The MMC has decided to ask all medical colleges to organise seminars and highlight Dr Desai’s case and emphasise the need for doctors to communicate properly with patients and relatives.
The Medical Council of India received a plea from Singhi in September to cancel Dr Desai’s registration, but failed to take a decision on Saturday because of Sessions Court’s stay on the Lower Esplanade Court’s decision.
Dr Kishore Taori, president, Maharashtra Medical Council, said, “We got a fresh plea from Singhi after the court held Dr Desai guilty of medical negligence.” “We will decide once the court gives its decision,” he added.
Emphasising the need to have a good doctor-relative communication, Dr Taori said, “Communication breakdown leads to attacks or law suits.”
“It isimportant that the doctor respects the patients. We will teach the young doctors the same and ask the medical colleges to give Dr Desai’s example,” added Dr Taori.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:30 AM
Shubh, mate frankly speaking your outrage against doctors is getting really boring
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June 7, 2012 at 12:45 AM
Dude, if you are “really bored” with all this, don’t bother reading son ! You are not under any obligation to read all this, are you ??
Thank you !!!
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June 7, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Withdraw doc’s Padma awards
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-07-10/mumbai/29757560_1_padma-awards-padma-bhushan-padma-shri
Days after cancer surgeon Dr Praful Desai was held guilty in a negligence case filed against him 23 years ago, steps are afoot to exert pressure on President Pratibha Patil to withdraw the Padma Shri and Padma Bhushan awards he had been honoured with.
Desai, former director of a leading cancer hospital, was awarded the Padma Shri in 1972. He was conferred with the Padma Bhushan in 1983 for outstanding contribution in the field of cancer treatment.
“As Desai was held guilty in a case of medical negligence, I am taking up the matter with the President of India. In my opinion, Rashtrapati Bhavan should withdraw the prestigious awards presented to him,” veteran bureaucrat P C Singhi told TOI on Saturday. In 1987, Desai had attempted to operate on Singhi’s wife Leela, who was suffering from cancer, even though doctors in the US had said she was ‘inoperable’. Leela died in 1989.
Now, Singhi also wants to knock on the doors of the Maharashtra Medical Council (MMC) for cancellation of Desai’s registration with it. “Once I receive a certified copy of the order, I will submit it to the MMC. I feel that MMC should bar him from practising as a doctor,” Singhi said.
A general administration department official said that under the rules, if a person is convicted or held guilty in a case, then the President has the powers to withdraw the Padma awards given to him/her. “We will inform Rashtrapati Bhavan about the present status of the case.,” he said.
Ever since he initiated criminal proceedings against Desai, Singhi has been in correspondence with Rashtrapati Bhavan on the legal proceedings in the matter.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:35 AM
Jaslok in the dock
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/dec/111211-Jaslok-in-the-dock.htm
Father files complaint against the SoBo hospital, alleging that a wrong blood transfusion killed his daughter
On Thursday, Narendra Makhijani’s world came crashing down.
His 21 year-old daughter Deepti Makhijani, who was diagnosed with acute myelogenous leukemia in August, and had subsequently undergone two rounds of chemotherapy at Jaslok Hospital, died on December 8, due to what Makhijani alleges was sheer negligence on the hospital’s part.
According to Makhijani, Deepti was given a wrong blood transfusion, which resulted in her death. The aggrieved father filed a police complaint with the Gamdevi police station yesterday.
Deepti, an employee of Google in Hyderabad and a former student of KC College, Churchgate, was admitted to Jaslok hospital on August 9, where she received her first dose of chemotherapy under Dr Advani’s treatment.
She was discharged on September 3 and re-admitted on September 27, for her second round of treatment. On October 5, during the course of a blood transfusion, Deepti alerted the nurse on duty that she was experiencing pain, which the nurse allegedly ignored.
“When my daughter told me that she was feeling pain, I checked the blood bag and to my shock, saw that she was being given B positive blood, instead of A positive, which is her blood group,” Makhijani told Sunday MiD DAY.
Makhijani wrote a complaint to the hospital Medical Director S K Mohanty, who issued an apology letter (a copy of which is with SMD).
On October 12, Deepti informed her father that blood had splattered on the bed. “When I went to check, I realised that the needle was not fixed properly because of which half the blood in the bag had leaked onto the bed,” said Makhijani, who made a note of this in the police complaint. Deepti was discharged October 20 and readmitted on November 11.
“This time round, my daughter was in a lot of pain. When we informed Dr Advani, he increased her dose of painkillers.
Her stomach swelled up, and we took her for a sonography. Another doctor we consulted advised that she be admitted immediately to the ICU, but Dr Advani ignored that,” Makhijani also stated in his complaint.
When contacted Mohanty said, “Before the B positive blood could even be transfused, it was brought to our notice that the patient was A positive.
The transfusion was stopped and not even five ml of blood was transfused into the patient’s body. We have counselled the nurse. I cannot comment further, as the treatment was being done under Dr Advani and he would be in a better position to talk.”
Advani remained unavailable for comment despite repeated calls and text messages.
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June 7, 2012 at 12:36 AM
FDA suspends Jaslok’s blood bank licence for 15 days
http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_fda-suspends-jasloks-blood-bank-licence-for-15-days_1650797
The food and drug administration (FDA) has suspended the licence of Jaslok Hospital’s blood bank for 15 days for transfusing blood of an incompatible group into a patient last year.
Deepti Makhijani, 21, who suffered from leukaemia, died last December at the hospital soon after the transfusion.
PR Uttarwar, joint commissioner, FDA, said, “Following a police complaint, we inspected the blood bank and sent them a show-cause notice. We gave the hospital a chance to give their version and waited for their reply. We also spoke to Makhijani’s parents. Last week, we sent them by post a notice of suspension of licence (of the blood bank) for 15 days.”
Makhijani’s family alleged that she died after hospital staff transfused B-positive blood into her, instead of her A-positive blood group, on December 8, 2011. Hospital doctors, however, blamed complete organ failure for the 21-year-old’s death.
Although it has censured the hospital for the wrong blood transfusion, the FDA clarified that Makhijani’s death was not caused by it. “There is no question of the patient dying because of the error, as the blood was transfused only for four to five minutes,” said Uttarwar.
While medical superintendent Dr AH Ganguly claimed as not having got the notice yet, Deepti’s father Narendra said, “I want the doctor who treated Deepti punished as he signed the prescription prior to the transfusion.”
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June 7, 2012 at 12:40 AM
Transfusion death not first at Jaslok
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/Transfusion-death-not-first-at-Jaslok/Article1-820063.aspx
The recent incident at Jaslok Hospital where Deepti Makhijani, 21, a blood cancer patient, was allegedly given a wrong blood transfusion at Jaslok Hospital, is not an isolated case.
According to a report prepared by the hospital authorities as part of investigations being carried out
by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a similar incident involving another patient had occurred in June 2011.
According to Makhijani’s family, Deepti died on December 8, 2011, after the hospital staff used B-positive blood group instead of A-positive blood group for a transfusion in October. Doctors at the hospital cited a complete organ failure as the cause of her death. The Gamdevi police filed a first information report (FIR) against hospital authorities on December 14.
Last month, the FDA suspended the licence of Jaslok Hospital’s blood bank for 15 days starting March 27.
During its investigations, the FDA collected documents including the report by Dr SK Mohanty about the alleged mishap. In his report, the doctor had stated that there was lack of supervision by the senior nurses during blood collection and transfusion. Dr Mohanty refused to comment on the case.
Mahkijani’s father said, “I want action to be taken against the doctors, not only the nurses.”
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June 7, 2012 at 12:44 AM
This idiotic tirade by posting links against docs which is ofcourse a selective reporting is equivalent of me saying– All Fathers maul their daughters! Pathetic,Deplorable and Idiotic!I can counteract each with long argument but the guy on the other side is not endowed to deal with technicalities!
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June 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Most idiotic is the manner in which you are terming the entire debate as baseless and bogus and especially because Aamir is behind all this which is making you all the more fidgety and restless, so painting the entire show with one stroke!! Have you really seen the full episode or just blabbering against the show as”ANCHOR IS NOT YOUR KHAN.”As far as the show is concerned, it did not show the entire medical fraternity in dark, it showed the black sheep from the community, whose no. is sizable. In the first show also, 2 journalist who conducted sting operation against those doctors who were involved in girl foeticide, did not get the punishment they deserved, instead journalists were receiving death threats for the work they did, how ironical! But nobody talks about this thing as it does suit their propaganda! Doctors are from the same society which is full of corrupt people and corrupt practices, agreed, but on this premise, we should also bear and tolerate with corrupt politicians as they also belong to the same society! One should not get selective when it comes to his or her profession by stating that his is not part of the system or ours is some exceptional domain, which should be dealt with different rules! Muck ought to be removed irrespective of highs or lows attached with the profession. Wrong would remain wrong however hard you try to justify, so do not get charged up, let the truth come out and accept it as it is as TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS.
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June 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM
“Most idiotic is the manner in which you are terming the entire debate as baseless and bogus”
Either you do not read comments properly or your eyes don’t scan what it must. Firstly Where have I termed the entire debate as baseless and bogus. Secondly,I have already iterated that I welcome if malpractices are brought out via any means.
“especially because Aamir is behind all this which is making you all the more fidgety and restless, so painting the entire show with one stroke!”
Contrary to your stance,I don’t even consider likes of Aamir or for that matter any film star even worthy of understanding the actual debate or its premise an the gravity! So my inclination to get nervous at a mediocre host[in terms of the backhans knowledge he has of issues] is an absolutely baseless commentary.You might worship Aamir but in the context of an issue,I am more versed with,I do not mind laughing at your temple!
“As far as the show is concerned, it did not show the entire medical fraternity in dark, it showed the black sheep from the community, whose no. is sizable.”
This utterly juvenile statement makes me ponder over your statement with more emphasis on its purpose.Before I continue,IMA never raised it’s voice against the female infanticide and doctor’s nexus. It swung into action when a reputed nephrologist was accused and his dignity harmed by a immature and one-sided debate.It swung into action when on purpose the “other party” was never even allowed to speak and the verdict on a national television was passed out.By whom? A immature man who rarely would ever know about medicine or its practices or complexities.Even that would have been acceptable had the other party been heard.Consider this,You are charged of rape.I bring the victim and cry and jump and go doodley-woodley and make everyone emotional and ultimately win that sympathy scale for the victim without listening to you,what would be the message at large.That you are a rapist.Would you like that?It would be highly probable that you might never have committed it! The intent of presenting one side of the story is not a good thing. And before you say black sheep from the community whose no is sizeable,what proof do you have? Aamir Khan showed 10 docs doing a bad act but did he show around 30,000 docs wasting their night’s sleep and attending patients.Getting beaten up and still practicisng.Those from UK/US who are comfortable with this do not understand the outrage of IMA.With the working conditions here,it is impossible to be thrown at such accusations that are more or less generalised.Every crime must be punished but then after allowing each party to speak and not generalising stuffs!
And with the Dr.’s response wherein he is ready to get each stuff verified,it seems that Aamir is in big trouble.And it is not about the high’s and lows of a profession that doctors are using as a defense,it is the fact that the proceedings on the show were not in sync with what a well-educated show would boast of.If TRUTH ALONE TRIUMPHS,then it is also true that the same truth be brought out in a manner that it may triumph,not in a manner in which it seems that the verdict was pre-determined!
And keep your SRK-Aamir theory with you please.There is a world beyond it,a world about which you are shouting after your fav went on air–and a world with which I am versed with because people like Saurabh and me meet with it everyday,feel it,breathe it.You might shed tears after seeing a burnt dowry case,our hands apply Silver and our hearts cry and this is daily routine! Do not try sermoning us about truth,we are infact most close to it.Keep you Aamir fascination -based-support to the show out and your occluded vision might get some space!
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June 11, 2012 at 6:38 PM
On reading Dr Sreedhara’s transcript defending himself, Rai wrote an open letter to IBNLive with several supporting medical and legal documents. He said the facts were not represented correctly by Dr Sreedhara and that he was fighting a lone legal battle with limited resources against a mighty corporation.
Here, in his own words, is Rai’s summary of the legal and medical facts that were brought up at the hearing of various bodies of arbitration, beyond what was aired on Satyamev Jayate.
Open Letter: Rejoinder by Major Pankaj Rai (Retd)
My wife Seema Rai expired on 6 May 2010 after kidney-pancreas transplant surgery at Fortis Hospital. I complained to the Karnataka Medical Council (KMC) and Appropriate Authority for Organ Transplantation (AA) of negligence and violation of Transplantation of Human Organs Act (TOHA) by Fortis Hospital and its doctors. [14] AA accepted two of the three points in the complaint viz surgery without license and post-operative infection but not ‘informed consent’.
KMC exonerated doctors/hospital of violation of TOHA. They issued a warning to Fortis hospital for post-operative infection. Post-operative infection is a violation of the terms and conditions of the transplantation license and has not been challenged by the hospital. [15] [24]
In Malay Kumar Ganguly vs Dr Sukumar Mukherjee and Ors [1] (07.08.2009) Hon’ble Supreme Court had observed, “It is the duty of the doctors to prevent further spreading of infections. Hospitals or nursing homes where a patient is taken for better treatment should not be a place for getting infection”.
The doctors of Fortis – Dr Rajanna Sreedhara and Dr Ramcharan Thiagarajan did not report the death of my wife within the stipulated period of 7 days but after ten months. They did not suggest post-mortem even though she died on the sixth day of hospitalization. The cause of death described is ‘natural’ in the Form No 4 ‘Medical Certificate – Cause of Death’ of the hospital dated 7th May 2010 signed by Dr Ananda.
The misleading arguments of Dr Rajanna Sreedhara of Fortis Hospital are being refuted below:
High Court Orders: The quoted order of December 23, 2011 has been superseded by the following: orders of the Division Bench of Karnataka High Court.
a. Order dated March 19, 2012: The Court observed that Fortis was trying to protract litigation since they got a stay order [2] [24] [25]
b. Order dated April 17, 2012: Fortis is restrained from doing any organ transplant surgery [3] [23]
c. Order dated May 30 2012: Stay to continue till the date of next hearing – 30th August 2012; Fortis cannot do organ transplant surgery. [4]
Fortis’ Organ Transplant License: Registration is organ specific. No hospital can do transplant of any organ not specifically mentioned in their registration (Form 12). Violation is a criminal act. Fortis did not apply for pancreas transplant in the form prescribed (Form No 11), nor was it considered and permitted. The Inspection Team recommended kidney, liver and homograft only. The statement that Dr Ramesh told them that liver includes pancreas is untrue. This is confirmed from the replies by the Appropriate Authority for Organ Transplantation of Human Organs Act in March 2011, July 2011 and the orders of the Appellate Authority dated 24th November 2011. There is no “deemed provision” in the Act.
Hospitals which have license for pancreas are:
[5] [6] [7] [16]
– Kameneni Hospital, Hyderabad: Kidney/Heart/Liver/Pancreas
– Global Hospitals Hyderabad: Kidney/Liver/Pancreas/Small Intestines/Bone Marrow/Heart/Lung
– Asian Institute of Gastroenterology Hyderabad: Liver/Pancreas/Islet Cell Transplantation
– Global Hospitals Chennai: Liver/Pancreas (Regn No 19/2008 dt 14 May 2009)
– BGS Global Bangalore: Kidney/Liver/Pancreas (MDM/20/07-08) dt 31 Oct 2008
– Narayana Hrudalaya: Pancreas (MDM/31/2007-08) dt 6 Sept 2008
– Columbia Asia Hospital: Liver/Kidney/Pancreas (MDM/121/80-09) dt 3 Dec 2008
– AIIMS New Delhi: Kidney/Liver/Heart/Cornea/Pancreas
– IP Apollo Hospitals: Kidney/Heart/Liver/Pancreas.
Fortis has committed an offence under Section 18 punishable with ten years imprisonment. The term ‘liver includes abdominal organs’ refers to Rule 9C and is not relevant to licensing/registration of hospitals as evidenced from the reply of DGHS and Bombay High Court ruling in 2011. [17][18]
Informed Consent:
This can only be given by the patient (Supreme Court ruling in Samira Kohli Vs Deepa Manchanda and Section 12). This was not done. The statement of Dr Sreedhara that risks were explained is untrue. He has himself stated that he did not recommend pancreatic transplantation. The stance has now changed. The question of pancreas transplant was raised only hours before the patient was taken for operation. The license conditions stipulate that a booklet containing risks/benefits have to be given to the patient 14 days prior to surgery. The patient has also to be evaluated by a psychiatric. This was not done.
Dr Sreedhara had in his notes dated 1 May 2010 had directed that the patient be evaluated by a cardiologist before evaluation. He admitted in his deposition at KMC that this was not done. Now, out of the blue a certificate from Dr Venkatesh is reported to have surfaced. This is another offence against the patient under Section 12 of the Act. The doctors misrepresented that they had a license for pancreas. This matter is the subject of a writ petition that I have filed before Hon’ble Court of Karnataka. Fortis has also not said that there then legal counsel Dr Joga Rao who represented them at KMC/High Court was also a faculty at National School of Law from whom the Government sought an opinion on ‘informed consent’. [20]
National School of Law has said that they have not verified whether the patient herself signed and whether risks/benefits were explained in the manner specified in the license conditions. When the subject of pancreatic transplantation was first broached on 1st May 2010 because an organ was available and even though the patient had not registered for that, where is the question of explaining risks 14 days prior to surgery? [8] [9] [10]
Testimony by other doctors: Dr Gokul Nath of St John’s Hospital did not represent St John’s Hospital but in his personal capacity sent his affidavit to KMC. I was not permitted to cross-examine him. His evidence therefore is inadmissible. None of the doctors who have testified on behalf of Dr Sreedhara have stated that a hospital can do transplant pancreatic transplant surgery and without the patient’s consent and violate patient rights. [21]
Dr Sreedhara has referred to earlier enquiries (Dr Raju/Appropriate Authority) in December 2010 where they were exonerated. He has suppressed the fact that these enquiries are irrelevant in view of Hon’ble High Court of Karnataka orders which has reached its finality. All the arguments put forth by Dr Sreedhara were trashed by the Hon’ble High Court. On the contrary Dr Sreedhara and his hospital have shown disrespect for the Court by raking these arguments again. It is also pointed out that KMC is not competent to investigate violations of Transplantation of Human Organs Act, but it is the Appropriate Authority constituted under Section 13 of the Act. Are people aware that elections have not been held in KMC for the past 17 years?
It is also relevant to take note of the Hon’ble Lokayukta findings about Fortis and Dr Raju’s behavior which is under scrutiny at the office of Hon’ble Lokayukta. The orders of KMC have also been challenged at MCI. [12] [13]
Other violations of Transplantation of Human Organs Act:
a. Dr Ramcharan Thiagarajan (transplant surgeon) was also a part of the authorisation committee – ‘conflict of interest’ and violation of Rule 4A of Transplantation of Human Organ Rules. This by itself is an offence punishable under the Act. [22]
b. Website: Fortis does not display details of transplant surgeries done as specified in Rule 6(F)(j). http://www.fortishospitals.com/
In our country we respect doctors and consider them next to God and rightly so. Here we are not talking about medical negligence but breach of trust by doing surgery without a valid license and without consent. Should a stage come where patients ask doctors/hospitals to show their licenses/registration? How different is this from quackery and deceit? Should more homes be destroyed? Should the license be used as a license to kill and should influential doctors/private hospitals use their clout to silence anyone who questions their wrongdoings?
(Dr Sreedharan has accused Khan’s team of not doing their homework by getting both sides of the story, as a result of which his integrity is under question. And Rai has lost his wife to what he termed gross negligence. The case is still being examined, which makes conclusions premature.)
This is for the so called “GRADUATE”, who declares others uneducated and what not? here the sample
“How my belief that SJ is actually a poorly researched,hollow and an ambiguous show stands vindicated.I had not spoken on this doctors thing as I was perfectly sure that the doctor referred to in the show would himself retort back. And with logic.It is no big deal that even an MBBS can own literally uneducated/uninformed people like Aamir Khan and his team.”
Now who owns whom is to be seen and hollow and empty piffling coming from which direction can be seen!! And for your educated information GRADUATE, IMA did swing in to action only after it saw its own people and its own existence was being questioned, so they were made to SWING (IN OR OUT, IT’S FOR YOU TO DECIPHER). If IMA has been so vocal about the rights and wrongs of the profession, why didn’t they SWING at all when the doctors were shown on national television 3 years back indulging in girl foeticide on national television, should not IMA have shown their METTLE AND VALOUR then and there only by revoking the licenses of those doctors? How much money they mint by giving liberty to multinationals like COLGATE AND DETTOL for using the LOGO OF IDA AND IMA? Proof is in the link-Is brand endorsement by medical associations ethical?
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June 11, 2012 at 7:04 PM
And Mr. educated this is another hollow link rebuking IMA FOR SELLING THEIR CONSCIENCE-
Is brand endorsement by medical associations ethical?
http://www.issuesinmedicalethics.org/163ed104.html
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June 11, 2012 at 7:39 PM
thanks for this Aman but in the future if it’s something this long post and extract and the relevant links, otherwise it buries other stuff.
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June 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM
Medical bodies bat for Aamir’s show, say it’s a ‘wake-up’ call
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/medical-bodies-bat-for-aamirs-show-say-its-a-wakeup-call/961849/
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June 14, 2012 at 11:51 AM
The Seema Rai case in Satyamev Jayate: Time to bell the cat?
http://www.moneylife.in/article/the-seema-rai-case-in-satyamev-jayate-time-to-bell-the-cat/26262.html#.T9hx2-noQY4.twitter
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June 7, 2012 at 1:00 AM
Exactly brother. I am all for Aamir and his show but this kind of selective reporting by Aamir fans is really in bad taste. These guys don’t realise that the day doctors go on strike, not only Aamir but Manmohan Singh will get down on his knees and apologise
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June 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM
man this is not selective but showing you the cases of kind of doctors who are denigrating the profession. Rather than looking for a solution, doctors community is behaving as if nothing wrong is taking place in their profession!! Other issues being raised in their defence are that are paid less than other professionals and their working conditions is abysmal, which is absurd as it does not permit them to indulge in evil praCtices. If they are not happy with conditions prevailing in the field, they should fight to get things improved, as it is you who believe that IF DOCTORS WANT, EVEN PM OF THE COUNTRY WILL BOW DOWN TO THEIR DEMANDS, THIS IS THE OCCASION AND TIME IS RIPE FOR THE DOCTORS COMMUNITY TO CLEAN THE MESS.
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June 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM
“These guys don’t realise that the day doctors go on strike, not only Aamir but Manmohan Singh will get down on his knees and apologise”
ROFL – this is like saying that if all those govt. babus go on strike because there are a few corrupt babus and someone pointed that – country will come to a halt!!!!! that is not the way to tackle any issue…..anna’s histrionics will come to a halt…..(all those lousy annas and ramdevs are also f**ing this country equally – imo)….. mass-orgy going on with general public – aage se corrupt govt. – peeche se anna/ramdev……side se doctors, lawyers and gang …….:-) there was a recent song “bittu sab ki lega” – lekin kaun si side baaki hei bittu ke liye ab? 🙂
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June 7, 2012 at 1:00 AM
The Indian Medical Association should indeed sue Aamir Khan!
http://www.moneylife.in/article/the-indian-medical-association-should-indeed-sue-aamir-khan/26122.html
Medical malpractices and related corruption are rampant but the truth rarely comes out. And that is why it would be great if the IMA sues Aamir Khan
I recently came across a news item in The Hindu which stated, “The Indian Medical Association (IMA)…demanded an immediate apology from actor Aamir Khan, accusing him of having defamed the medical profession in the 27th May episode of his TV show Satyamev Jayate, and warned him of legal action if he didn’t do so. IMA secretary general Dr DR Rai told journalists: ‘Every profession has its black sheep. …But it can safely be claimed that the white sheep will always outnumber the black ones in every field. …It was extremely wrong on the part of a responsible citizen of the country and a public figure like Aamir Khan, whom most of the citizens of the country might even consider as their role model, to put the rotten eggs over the good ones,’ he said.” (IMA demands apology from Aamir)
There is an interesting parallel here and associations, irrespective of the industry, seem to be more oriented to claiming that the black sheep (in their industry) are far and few. Folks, you may remember that in June 2010, about three months before the height of the Indian microfinance crisis (October 2010 onwards), the then chairman of MFIN said almost the same thing and I reproduce his quote:
“Unfortunately, recent headlines have focused on some aberrations in microfinance that have then spread misconceptions about the industry as a whole…We want to emphasize that the sector should be judged by its median and best and not by the black sheep that damage our cause and the cause of the people we wish to serve. Every industry has its bad apples and we are committed to expose and expel them.” (MFIs as engines of inclusive growth by Vijay Mahajan, The Economic Times, 28 June 2010).
What happened thereafter is well known and it is another matter that neither MFIN nor other actors in the Indian microfinance industry did little to stop the black sheep—some of whom were members of MFIN. Part of the reason as to why the Indian microfinance industry and MFIN were unable to act on the black sheep was perhaps because of the fact that some of the so-called black sheep MFIs were themselves part of the overall governance structure at MFIN. Therefore, it became slowly clear that huge conflicts of interest prevented the association from acting in public interest and in accordance with its original mission. I wonder if such a situation prevails at the Indian Medical Association as well.
That apart, I am really looking forward to the day when the IMA will sue Aamir Khan and I hope that they do so immediately. I am sure that given the disenchantment with the medical profession in India over the last few years, many Indians (myself included) would be willing to implead themselves into the case and provide tangible evidence in support of Aamir Khan’s views.
Without question, there have been many good doctors who have provided yeoman services to this country.I do not think anyone is disputing that. However, what needs to be squarely recognized is the fact that medical malpractices and corruption cases are indeed increasing by the day. I report a few such instances here:
Instance # 1: A 30 year old acquaintance underwent spinal surgery to remove a disc. During the operation, his nerves were damaged. In spite of additional surgeries done by the hospital, he could not be cured and he now lives with acute back pain.
Instance # 2: In another instance concerning a friend’s 52-year old mother, during a back surgery, the spinal canal was supposedly accidentally punctured and the patient suffered a serious disability and now lives with long-term pain.
Instance # 3: A maid servant, working in a friend’s house, aged about 57 years, had complained of muscular type of pain. On her way back home, she went in search of a doctor. She saw a clinic and entered by mistake—as she could not read/write she did not realize it was a dental clinic. When she walked out she was poorer by almost Rs912 (almost 20% of her salary)—which had been taken by the clinic for a whole range of unnecessary tests and medicines that in no way would have alleviated her original (muscular) pain.
Instance # 4: A friend’s uncle (about 79 years) was admitted to a large private hospital a couple of years ago with gall bladder related problems. According to the family, negligence in treatment, unhygienic conditions and lack of standard care during the 1st three weeks of hospitalization led to respiratory complications and the patient had to be put on a ventilator. After a harrowing five months, by when the family had to cough up close to Rs1 crore for hospital and other medical expenses, the man finally breathed his last.
These instances are but a tip of the iceberg. India is replete with examples of medical malpractices and related corruption. From wrong diagnosis to unnecessary and repeat tests/procedures to inadequate/wrong treatments, poor standard of overall care, gross negligence and the like, medical malpractices indeed appear to be burgeoning over the last few years. We certainly need to take stock and set the record straight. And that is why it would be great if the IMA sues Aamir Khan as then, the people of India, who have been traumatized by the medical malpractices and corruption could step forward to recount their own stories and happenings in a telling manner.
Without question, the commercialization of medicine (without necessary checks and balances) has perhaps resulted in medical ills, frauds and malpractices being perpetuated on the people. Therefore, it is time to build safeguards including the creation of an effective and easily accessible network of medical ombudsman who can take strong, severe and swift action against the (errant) black sheep in the Indian medical fraternity.
(Ramesh Arunachalam has over two decades of strong grass-roots and institutional experience in rural finance, MSME development, agriculture and rural livelihood systems, rural and urban development and urban poverty alleviation across Asia, Africa, North America and Europe. He has worked with national and state governments and multilateral agencies. His book—Indian Microfinance, The Way Forward, is the first authentic compendium on the history of microfinance in India and its possible future.)
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June 7, 2012 at 1:06 AM
Fantastic piece by Mr. Arunachalam ! Just completely nails the issue threadbare.
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June 7, 2012 at 6:45 AM
Shubh, in the future if you’re posting a lot of articles, specially long ones, just put up the link and a few lines. Otherwise everything else is buried.
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June 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM
i think if aamir apologizes to shubh alone instead of dr. fraternity – at-least we would be saved from his pro-doctors thesis-es here 😉
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June 7, 2012 at 7:27 AM
For anybody interested enough to read this reply from Abha Rai, daughter of late Mrs. Seema Rai–
from abharai at 23:34, Jun 06, 2012
@mukut5ul :Dr.Rajanna Shreedhara has cleverly suppressed facts. The high court orders are not the recent one. The most recent one does not allow them to do any surgeries. Dr. Ramesh has not said anything like what has been quoted. Fortis hospital does not have a separate license to do surgery for pancreas. There are other hospitals like BGS Global, Chennai etc. who have a separate license for pancreas. Patient has not consented herself wherein she had to. Dr.Rajanna Shreedhara has been going on lying all this while and is continuing the same. Would be grateful if I am contacted to get my version of the story instead of publishing a one sided version. Ph no: 91 9916357115, 91 9619149171
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June 7, 2012 at 7:30 AM
The comment above, it is from the ibnlive report–http://ibnlive.in.com/news/satyamev-jayate-doctor-hits-out-at-aamir-khan/264652-44-124.html
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June 7, 2012 at 7:31 AM
There’s more from abha– from Aabha Rai Aggarwal at 22:54, Jun 06, 2012
It is really sad that this is again a one sided version of the doctor’s which has been posted. I am Abha about whose mother this case is. I would want you to contact us to get the TRUE version of the story. We will provide you with documents which are TRUE and need to be looked into by you definitely. Thanks, for publishing the comment.
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June 7, 2012 at 7:42 AM
Can’t be bothered to read all the pieces but if you could summarize this.. in other words the show is disputing the doctor’s account which the Graduate posted?
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June 7, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Strictures were passed against Hospital by Lokayukta in May 2011…
Click to access Karnataka-Lokayukta-Order-May-2011.pdf
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June 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM
Ha
Lol @ summary
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June 7, 2012 at 5:01 PM
aman—if thats your photo–we agree to your comments (but without reading)
sanjana–lol @midgets comment–well said!!
ps-oldgold– a nice song awaits u in the ’70s double role” thread..(as a payback favour to the ‘protection’ u provided me the other day 🙂
btw tell me is the song by RD or SD and what did it appear initially? lol
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June 7, 2012 at 5:05 PM
Nice 😛 english translation of Womaniya song waits you in GOW thread… 🙂
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June 7, 2012 at 5:15 PM
Are you trying to send me away from this thread with my views that conflict with others here? 😀
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June 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM
I think the show got caught on the wrong foot by not showing the other side of the story in case the ‘sad’ and ‘manipulation’ of the audience got undermined.
I also feel that when showing the dark side of a profession, it is very important to give equal emphasis to the brighter side otherwise it does magnify that image emphasised upon, and that’s the impression one takes home.
Anyway, I feel people not belonging to a certain prefession don’t have the right to talk about it knowledgeably. This isn’t a film where you make fun of the education system and the professors and get away with it.
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June 7, 2012 at 5:18 PM
“Anyway, I feel people not belonging to a certain prefession don’t have the right to talk about it knowledgeably. This isn’t a film where you make fun of the education system and the professors and get away with it.”- exactly. oldgold u r spot-on. guys r u listening
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June 7, 2012 at 5:23 PM
You are thinking too much. Do you think IMA will go to court. they dont have legs to stand and fear of more skeletons coming out.
I think Rocky has pasted NDTV link.. watch it.
when the most honorable and respected name in Medicines, Dr Shetty graced the show and supported it, it means and sends more positive signals than IMA cribbing.
Rest I have already commented on “Graduates” Comment. I agree aamir should own the responsibility If True.
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June 7, 2012 at 5:30 PM
It was very irresponsible of Dr Shetty to go on the show without first weighing what it was all about.
He should have then pointed out that the show was one sided and it should be balanced by showing some miracle doctors whomay have healed very critical cases.
D Shetty has let his profession down!! Shame on him.
He perhaps got too starry eyed, and pleased to be singled out by Amir, and appear on TV.
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June 7, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Dr.Shetty or Dr.Mangat Raam or Dr.Bujjhakadlala are not of importance here. The status of the debate here is “Why was a semi-verdict passed out playing on one side of the case.As Khaap panchayats were brought in the next episode to present other side of the story,why wasn’t the team of doctors brought.It would have been a healthy debate.”
That is my point of contention unlike some Aamir lovers here who are considering Aamir’s show a final verdict on each stuff!
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June 8, 2012 at 2:25 AM
Shetty should have taken advice from OG or taken permission to go to a Aamir khan’s show. How dare he did not do it? OG is so angry.
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June 8, 2012 at 3:19 AM
Re : It was very irresponsible of Dr Shetty to go on the show without first weighing what it was all about.
He should have then pointed out that the show was one sided and it should be balanced by showing some miracle doctors whomay have healed very critical cases.
D Shetty has let his profession down!! Shame on him.
I can only Laugh.
Do you know anyone or believe anyone beyond Srk 🙂 ???
Who is saying if its true than aamir should own the moral responsibility for shoddy research and wrong reportage but there can be another side also??
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June 7, 2012 at 5:34 PM
IMA has all legs to approach the court in the nephrologist’s case! It is not about Dr.Shetty gracing the show neither does it amount to a nod from him.It is about a semi-verdict passed without proper hearing. And if defamation found true,Aamir will be in a mess.
I again re-iterate.Crime is there.But you can’t pick any one,proclaim him a criminal and then make an excuse sort of by saying Crime is rampant so……….
And what is these skeleton tumbling out.Make no mistake,with the conditions provided and infrastructure given,docs in India perform the most difficult of jobs.Pay your kudos to them rather than thinking that every second doctor is busy in infanticide or organ trafficking.Hell docs are so much under pressure from COPRA that their most of the time goes into legal accuracy on the prescription sheet. And then we are talking!!
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June 8, 2012 at 3:28 AM
Everyone in India raises his hand to protect his own tribe, be it politicians, engineers, bureaucrats, Lawyers, Judges, Doctors and everyone come up excuses of pitiable condition and what not. Pitiable condition doesn’t warrant for corruption and malpractices. you are doctor but I have seen with my own eyes nexus.Don’t give Gyan. There is problem as there is problem in overall society. this is not specific to Doctors only, i may add.
Same excuses are given by politicians and bureaucrats also.
Why didn’t IMA go to court directly?? Why they only seek Apology and when Apology is not coming than take legal course and dont make empty noise???
And IMA is Association of just 20% of doctors and so it doesnt speak for all doctors and there are doctors who support other party also.. let 1st doctors decide within themselves ..
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June 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM
bliss–is that for me?
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June 7, 2012 at 11:24 PM
Target the rot in Indian healthcare, NOT Aamir Khan
http://www.rediff.com/news/column/target-the-rot-in-indian-healthcare-not-aamir-khan/20120607.htm
Attacking the messenger with the threat of a defamation suit is a misguided attempt on the part of our medical leaders which is likely to further erode public trust in doctors, warns Dr Kunal Saha
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June 7, 2012 at 11:55 PM
Latest tweets of Rituparna Chatterjee ( @MasalaBai ), the IBNLive reporter who reported the story of Sreedhara sending legal notice :
Major Pankaj Rai calls me after reading my #SatyamevJayate stry giving doctor’s PoV. “I lost my best friend, do you know the pain of that?”
Mj Pankaj Rai: My wife was the finest girl God can give a man. I’ll take back my complaint against Fortis if they can bring her back to life
@IyerAvin Thanks, now Major Rai is writing his counter for us. Said it’s unfair to just highlight the doctor’s side.
Expect more fireworks in the coming days !
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June 8, 2012 at 12:04 AM
I would just want one statement from the patient party–I am ready to stand on the witness and get each stuff verified and also not refute that my signatures on papers/records were done by me in a state of not so good mental health”.
Just this! These patient parties do lose their kins but not that we don’t try saving them.Lot goes into it.But the accusation of wrong treatment needs to be substantiated.Fortis is a hospital where the patient party is so literate that they enter the hospital with a laptop and learn all about diseases and medicines specific for their party.
“I lost my best friend, do you know the pain of that”
Perfect example of gaining sympathy of the court.But thanks to stringent conditions for suspension by court regards docs,none of this actually works.There was no blanket consent taken.Each procedure was duly explained and signed by the party.Everything was monitored,noted down.
Just for enlightment– The doc is not held responsible for wrong diagnosis and thus a wrong line of treatment.Only if he commits an act of omission or act of commission which goes against the ethics of medical practices,will he be stripped of his oath!
Ex–Not giving a tetanus injection to a RTA patient!
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June 7, 2012 at 11:56 PM
“Despite living in the United States, I had an opportunity to observe Satyamev Jayate in its entirety”
So the doc is not from India which means he is less versed with the culture here!But whatever,he also has no idea about the said doctor’s views.So his argument is also hollow!
“It would be foolish to imagine that there is no corruption in healthcare or that no patient in India is dying from medical negligence”
What is Dr.Shah thinking here.Is he trying to divert the topic.Who is denying there are malpractices and each support that it must be brought out.But the manner in which it was and all the more without proof is disturbing.That is where IMA has taken a stand and also on the semi-generalization that was done!!
“While the show was produced with some crafty camera work focusing on medical negligence, there was hardly any new material which would astonish ordinary people and patients of India. ”
That is what I have maintained about each episode.Exercise in ambiguity! Come on we know these problems,where is an insight into it from a show that took 2-3 years in making.I never needed a show to tell me about dowry cases,khaap killings,female infanticide nor did anyone!!
“Ironically, the programme also presented some startling and irrefutable medical statistics from United Kingdom, unravelling the inherent flaws that are present in the Indian healthcare system. ”
Dr. Saab,please stop this UK vs India stuff.The infrastructure,conditions and culture in UK is far different. People think it is only docs at fault.Go to any government G&O OT room and see how family refuses to even bring medicines if they know that the baby born is a girl.The patient dies and then the blame is on the doctor.Arm-chair idiots like Khan and his team then begin a tirade using the very few examples to create a falsifying impression.A 85% burn patient is brought and the husband asks–“Kitne der bachegi”..she dies,suddenly the whole mohalla is there in the ward ready to strip you! And ahhh,the people think that the fault is one-sided.Half of the deaths in medical care in India occurs because the people keep poking their nose and searching for alternatives when the patient should be in ICU.
All these links are useles as none is pointing as to when and why IMA stood up and then good for nothing people who actually would never have deciphered the poverty in India by just glancing at a normal Railway Station suddenly have their conscience shaken up! What were you doing for some 25 years of your life mistah! Waiting for Khan salvation!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:00 AM
Negligence costs Bangalore’s Fortis Hospital its licence to transplant organs
http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_negligence-costs-bangalore-s-fortis-hospital-its-licence-to-transplant-organs_1588007
Fortis Hospital, Bannerghatta Road, has lost its licence to transplant kidneys, livers and to conduct homograft “with immediate effect” following a case of negligence which led to the death of an army officer’s wife last year.
The hospital was found to have performed the transplantation of pancreas despite having licence to transplant only kidneys, livers and conduct homograft.
The licence cancellation order was issued by the commissioner of health, family welfare & ayush services via order number JD (Medical)/ MDM/23/2011-12, dated September 12, 2011.
The commissioner issued the hospital’s licence cancellation order after the then Lok Ayukta N Santosh Hegde’s investigations found the hospital guilty of violation and negligence leading to death.
Major (Retd) Pankaj Rai, who lost his wife to the negligence by the hospital, had appealed to the Lok Ayukta to initiate action against the hospital. The investigations confirmed that Major Rai’s wife had indeed died as the hospital doctors had performed a surgery to transplant her pancreas although the hospital did not have the licence to do so.
The case had reached the high court, which ruled in favour of Major Rai and directed the commissioner of health, family welfare & ayush services to cancel the licence of the hospital to transplant.
The case came to the fore after Rajya Sabha MP Rajeev Chandrasekhar took up the issue in response to a plea for help from Major Rai after the latter’s wife had died due to alleged negligence on the part of the hospital. Chandrasekhar had followed it up with Union health minister Ghulam Nabi Azad as well as then Karnataka health minister B Sriramulu to ensure that justice was done.
Dr Lloyd Nazareth, chief operating officer, Fortis Hospital, said: “Fortis Hospital does indeed have permission to conduct liver and other abdominal organs, including pancreas transplantation. The interpretation of the transplant rules under the act by the department has been inconsistent and varied as per the understanding of the person implementing the rules. It is unfortunate that the department which has all through held and testified that Fortis Hospital has a licence has reversed its stand and has now cancelled the licence. Fortis Hospital is aggrieved by this action and will be making appropriate representation to the government and will be seeking legal remedy if necessary.”
Maj Rai, who endured the 16-month ordeal after his wife’s death, told DNA: “Doctors who take life of innocent patients should not be let free. And mine is not the only case. There are several cases of medical negligence taking place and action needs to be taken. I have now appealed to the Medical Council of India. Soon according to the protocol, Government of Karnataka will also file a criminal case against the doctors concerned and the hospital.”
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June 8, 2012 at 12:05 AM
“The commissioner issued the hospital’s licence cancellation order after the then Lok Ayukta N Santosh Hegde’s investigations found the hospital guilty of violation and negligence leading to death.”
” Aamir should stick to making films ” , “Santosh Hegde should stick to fighting corruption in India with Team Anna “…..etc. etc. etc !!!
How dare they ?? We doctors know best !!!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:10 AM
KMC shielding Fortis despite Lokayukta report
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/166981/kmc-shielding-fortis-despite-lokayukta.html
The Karnataka Medical Council has failed to take action against Fortis Hospital despite the Lokayukta finding that the hospital performed a pancreatic transplant without a licence for the surgery.
Maj Pankaj Rai, husband of Seema Rai, who died on May 6, last year, after undergoing a renal-pancreatic transplant at the hospital, had approached the Lokayukta after he suspected negligence during his wife’s operation.
Seema was admitted to the hospital on May 1, last year for a kidney transplant. But doctors, who told the family that she needed a pancreatic transplant, allegedly went ahead with a double organ transplant –– both kidney and pancreas –– without the consent of the patient or her family.
Findings
The Lokayukta report of an inquiry into the case indicated that necessary requirements under the Human Organs Transplantation Act were not followed by Fortis Hospital.
Revealing the findings of the Lokayukta report, obtained under RTI, Maj Rai said the authorities –– Appropriate Authority of Government of Karnataka headed by Health Commissioner D N Nayak –– did not conduct periodic inspections of the Fortis Hospital as required. It also mentioned that the hospital had permission to perform only kidney and liver graft. It had no licence for a pancreatic transplant.
The Lokayukta report also exposes major lapses (box) on the part of the hospital during the transplant procedure.
Maj Rai told mediapersons here on Monday that the Lokayukta conducted its investigation and submitted its findings in five months, but the case has been pending with the Karnataka Medical Council for over a year.
The family then approached the Medical Council of India (MCI), which directed the KMC to give its judgement by June 5. However, nothing has happened, Maj Rai said.
The Lokayukta findings, Maj Rai hopes, will help him in the writ petition filed by him in the High Court. The report has also been submitted to the KMC and he hopes that the Council would take appropriate action against Fortis Hospital based on the Lokayukta’s recommendation.
Lokayukta findings
* Signature in the consent form of the patient did not match the signatures given for blood transfusion or the passport.
* Hospital did not convince the need for urgency for pancreatic transplant and did not sufficiently explain the risks involved to the family.
* Patient was rolled in for surgery even before a cardiologist or a physician could certify fitness for surgery.
* Drug given before any transplant surgery to avoid complications was not administered.
* Doctors failed to inform the condition of the patient from time to time to the family.
* Doctor conducting the pancreatic transplant had done so for the first time in the hospital and the certificate of qualification of the doctor does not specifically mention his expertise in pancreatic transplant.
* Inquiry committee headed by D N Nayak failed to go into all the findings of the medical reports.
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June 8, 2012 at 12:16 AM
These Karnataka Lokayukta findings are just shocking…not just shocking but terrifying !
This same Karnataka Lokayukta findings headed by Santosh Hegde, few months back resulted in the Chief Minister Yedyurappa losing his post & all credibility !! Wishing Fortis & Sreedhara ( don’t want to address him as “Dr” as he does not deserve that respect !! ) the very best in their future so called legal fight !!!!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:27 AM
I will address you directly now.
It is clearly apparent that your Aamir worshipping has led your reasoning to be clouded.First no final decision has been taken on this.Second I have mauled all your allegations in my prior post where I have given links that matter that will make Mr.Rai and Mr.Aamir look like an imbecile.Third who are you to decide what happened.Sitting in your arm-chair and typing and reading on the net makes you worthy enough to comment on a professional who going by the proof is never going to get indicted.Fourth,Lokayukta heard the matter,KMC also thought over it.The docs license is here to stay and the registration of Fortis will also be back as the final courts decision is based on experts opinion which going by the links I have given is totally in favour of Dr.Sreedhar!!
Next time you base your opinion based on your fanaticism regards Mr.Khan,know this that as I said before even a MBBS can owe him and maul him with the perseverance he has.But that is not the point I wanted to make.All I wanted to is there!!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:33 AM
Click to access 20.pdf
Click to access 01.pdf
Click to access 05.pdf
Click to access 06.pdf
Click to access 09.pdf
Click to access 10.pdf
Click to access 11.pdf
Click to access 19.pdf
Click to access 19.pdf
Links about Case history,opinion of other doctors,support for the said doc,thje actual truth as on paper.I am sorry but Mr.Rai will lose the case once its debated in proper court format.
Also, this statement:
“The commissioner issued the hospital’s licence cancellation order after the then Lok Ayukta N Santosh Hegde’s investigations found the hospital guilty of violation and negligence leading to death”
“the Hospital filed a writ petition in the High Court of Karnataka against the cancellation of
registration. In an interim order dated 23/12/2011, the High Court has stayed the impugned
cancellation order (WP 45437/2011) allowing the Hospital to carry out all transplant surgeries
except pancreas which will be decided in its final orders.””
The cancellation of registration again happened but not because lapses were noticed but because the matter was under subjudice!
Some overzealous kid fans on this forum should not poke their nose in an issue which they are highly incapable of understanding.Posting media links but not the links that matter.Well so here I am doing that!!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Satyam,
Please look into my previous comments.It has ten links of actual medical record files and expert opinions.It is awaiting moderation.Please clear it. Thanks.
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June 8, 2012 at 12:40 AM
[http://ns.ibnlive.in.com/embeds/files/smj/19.pdf/ Medical Case History]
Testing hyperlinking.Please delete this if not successful!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:48 AM
Since I am a well-qualified “post-graduate”, consider it below my dignity to address myself directly to a no good “graduate”. So just saying & not addressing anyone !
Satyam : Have no issues with counter-arguments from anyone, but this comment is particularly bothersome
“Next time you base your opinion based on your fanaticism regards Mr.Khan”
Sincerely hope that this is not a threat being issued by this joker ! Leave it to your discretion to decide on the same.
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June 8, 2012 at 12:56 AM
“Since I am a well-qualified “post-graduate”, consider it below my dignity to address myself directly to a no good “graduate”. So just saying & not addressing anyone !”
Being dismissive of me when all the so-called post graduation in “fanaticism” got washed off! Who cares you respond or not to the actual issue and when the links[pdf] ones posted by me get cleared but looking at your credentials I believe you won’t be able to even read and understand anything of it.So the joke is on you,not on me!
“Next time you base your opinion based on your fanaticism regards Mr.Khan,know this that as I said before even a MBBS can owe him and maul him with the perseverance he has.But that is not the point I wanted to make.All I wanted to is there!!”
This was the full statement.Habit of showing only a part of truth is an old habit that dies hard. 😉 Where have I threatened you? Show me! Why cannot you comprehend? I can retort strongly but guess you don’t even deserve that!
Your overzealous posting of stuffs without even attempting to debate clearly shows who is a good graduate or not!
Thanks!
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June 8, 2012 at 1:07 AM
” issued by this joker”
Pathetic.Regretful.Blasphemous.Inability to debate properly results in language of this order,more so when I am just presenting points,not just random links!
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June 8, 2012 at 12:58 AM
Ahaa..the links got cleared.Now let me judge some post graduate on this forum.Let me take a rapid viva and see how much of Legal Jurisprudence along with Medical precision exists in the candidate! Ho jaaye! Bring the candidate. Sab Shubh hoga!! 😉
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June 8, 2012 at 1:06 AM
Click to access CIC_SG_A_2012_000820_18826_M_82367.pdf
Real eye-opener this where Sreedhara’s related appeal against Directorate General of Health Services is ruled “infructuous” !!
Adds further weight to the telling Lokayukta findings.
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June 8, 2012 at 1:12 AM
Ok guys… need to cool off. And enough of links. No one reads them. I am pretty sure no one is changing therir position just because of discussion here.
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June 8, 2012 at 1:17 AM
My only point was “Why did not the show call the doctor’s team to present their views”.
Secondly why is a verdict being passed on here– remarks like–“He is not fit to being called a doc” etc when the matter is under subjudice!!
Thats all.I have posted some original stuff which clearly show who is going to win.The license was restored and then cancelled/withheld again because matter is under subjudice.One matters go in court,Lokayukta has no importance.Final decision is theirs.Moresoever with extreme support by most eminent docs around the world surfacing up,it is impossible to defeat Dr.Sreedhara ,the records also show the same!
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June 8, 2012 at 3:34 AM
It was never restored. The Govt order was “held in abeyance” till judgement.
http://news.vakilno1.com/karnataka-hc-cancelled-pwd-notification-issued-by-the-public-works-department-11107.html
“Pankaj Rai, who lost his wife Seema, allegedly due to the negligence of the hospital while transplanting pancreas, had approached the Court against the say. The counsel appearing for the hospital submitted that it had never violated norms and that the hospital was permitted to transplant internal organs. The Court, however, was not satisfied with the contention.”
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June 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM
Re : Why wasn’t the said doc brought on the show.He would be gladly there.
I agree.
aamir should speak and clarify matter and if its true, he must own the mistake. sometimes its better to own and enjoy mistakes also while partaking praises and success 😉
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June 8, 2012 at 1:24 AM
why are the medical providers on this forum taking this so personally? i also have worked in the medical field now for 6 years…and i thought this show did exactly what it was promoted to do. to ‘enlighten’ the indian audience and to raise awareness about such problems. he stated over and over not all doctors have bad intent.
its clear the system is corrupt. it’s part of the bigger picture though, and thats what the audience needs to realize….its the system that needs to be fixed. when you have harsher penalties on such things…people will stop doing it!!
kudos to Aamir for bringing this issue forth.
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June 8, 2012 at 1:40 AM
“its clear the system is corrupt. it’s part of the bigger picture though, and thats what the audience needs to realize….its the system that needs to be fixed. when you have harsher penalties on such things…people will stop doing it!!”
Who is denying that?Has that even been a debate.The debate is–Why wasn’t the said doc brought on the show.He would be gladly there.
Second just to expose the bigger picture,one cannot point out to anyone and almost proclaim him guilty till matter is under subjudice!
Have I taken it personally or Has the other party taken it fanatically by posting and reposting links,not only here but its been a habit of him!
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June 8, 2012 at 2:00 AM
“Have I taken it personally or Has the other party taken it fanatically by posting and reposting links,not only here but its been a habit of him!”
simple solution to that…if you know how that person works..or you think what his/her intentions are..just ignore them. let them post one-sided articles. i know i love what i do in the medical profession…noone can take that away from me. not this show…not some fan…noone.
i get a patient’s point of view though. if i go to a mechanic to get my car fixed…i am skeptical as hell. i don’t know anything about cars…and the mechanic knows everything…so i am bound to get taken advantage of. i don’t trust them. i guess patients feel the same way….as they should. it’s up to the provider to comfort the patient and to provide them with as much details as possible with their problem. anyway sorry drifted away from the debate. and didn’t mean to butt in. just my two or three cents.
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June 8, 2012 at 4:37 AM
Patients’ body backs Aamir Khan for exposing ‘rot’ in healthcare in Satyamev Jayate
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_patients-body-backs-aamir-khan-for-exposing-rot-in-healthcare-in-satyamev-jayate_1699731
A patients’ body called People for Better Treatment has rallied behind Bollywood star Aamir Khan for focusing on the “rot” in the Indian healthcare delivery system during his popular television programme.
The actor, who hosts the Sunday television show Satyamev Jayate, has been the target of protests by the Indian Medical Association (IMA) and a section of the medical community for generalising about medical negligence and corruption in healthcare in the show.
The IMA ‘big-shots’ claimed that the television show has given a one-sided picture of “medical negligence and corruption” in healthcare. While some medicos have demanded an apology from the celebrated actor, some doctors have threatened a defamation lawsuit against Khan for “slandering” the medical community.
“The reason for such an overtly exaggerated response from our healers to an ordinary television program is bewildering indeed,” president of People for Better Treatment, Kunal Saha, said in a statement.
“The shabby condition of Indian healthcare is a common knowledge for the ordinary citizens. Reports of horrific deaths and injuries from alleged “medical negligence” in hospitals and nursing homes appear almost on a daily basis in the news,” Saha said in the statement.
“There is no denying that the healthcare system in India has been riddled with negligence and corruption. Doctors involved with other Machiavellian activities that are clearly against accepted medical ethics can be found in almost every medical office and hospital,” the statement said.
He alleged that acceptance of “commission” from medical laboratories for referring patients and taking “expensive gifts from drug manufacturers” for writing prescription of a specific drug has become an “acceptable and shameless practice” by many of our healers despite the presence of stringent laws against such unethical behaviours.
“Deep-rooted corruption has plagued even Medical Council of India (MCI) – the highest regulatory body for control of healthcare education and medical practice in India,” Saha said.
“In fact, at the present moment, MCI is being run through a stop-gap measure with an Adhoc committee,” he said.
“Little wonder that issues pertaining to “medical negligence” have come to the limelight in the recent years in India. Mr. Khan hosted the television show focusing on corruption and negligence in healthcare seemingly to underscore this popular theme which is of great significance in Indian society today,” the statement added.
While on the one hand, the programme exposed the rampant corruption in the medical system, it also underscored the noble work done by many compassionate and honest doctors, said Saha.
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June 8, 2012 at 5:22 AM
Absorbing discussion this !
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-right-centre/controversy-over-satyamev-jayate-is-the-truth-bitter/235091?pfrom=home-topstories
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June 9, 2012 at 12:59 AM
Interesting. A letter from Major Rai, to cnn-ibn. Some relevant comments too. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/satyamev-jayate-victim-strikes-back-at-doctor/265030-44-124.html
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June 9, 2012 at 1:27 AM
There is something in today’s Midday too. One episode generating so much controversy and publicity as well.
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June 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM
Satyamev Jayate debate: Victim Pankaj Rai strikes back at doctor R Sreedhara
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/satyamev-jayate-victim-strikes-back-at-doctor/265030-44-124.html
Retired Army officer Major Pankaj Rai had lost his wife Seema to what he called a botched kidney transplantation operation at a well known hospital in Bangalore. He had accused the doctors attending to her of medical malpractice on Aamir Khan’s popular show Satyamev Jayate. Nephrologist Dr Rajanna Sreedhara, the accused doctor of Fortis Hospital in Bangalore, had appealed on IBNLive and social networking forums for a chance to tell his side of the story. He said Rai was harassing him for the past two years for a crime he said he had not committed and that the show had ruined his reputation as a respected physician.
We had published a detailed account of his version of the events leading up to the death of Seema and the legal tangle that left him in.
On reading Dr Sreedhara’s transcript defending himself, Rai wrote an open letter to IBNLive with several supporting medical and legal documents. He said the facts were not represented correctly by Dr Sreedhara and that he was fighting a lone legal battle with limited resources against a mighty corporation.
Here, in his own words, is Rai’s summary of the legal and medical facts that were brought up at the hearing of various bodies of arbitration, beyond what was aired on Satyamev Jayate.
Open Letter: Rejoinder by Major Pankaj Rai (Retd)
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June 9, 2012 at 8:43 PM
article about ‘medical mistakes’ here in the US.
“Mistakes are happening every day in every hospital in the country that we’re just not catching,” says Dr. Albert Wu, an internist at Johns Hopkins Hospital.
Medical errors kill more than a quarter million people every year in the United States and injure millions. Add them all up and “you have probably the third leading cause of death” in the country, says Dr. Peter Pronovost, an anesthesiologist and critical care physician at Johns Hopkins Hospital.
read the rest and the patient’s stories:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/09/health/medical-mistakes/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
IMO a doctor who has these mistakes is a damn fool. before any surgery the leading surgeon should always take a ‘timeout’ and have his team on the same page and make damn sure they are perform the right surgery on the right body part.
it is also the nurses/physicians assistant or the medical technicians responsibility to make sure they have everything correct about the patient. it is indeed a team effort, of course the ultimate responsibility rests on the leading provider.
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September 19, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Insight: In India, gift-giving drives drug makers’ marketing
http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/sns-rt-us-india-pharma-kickbacksbre88g0i8-20120917,0,6890407,full.story
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