Krrish 3 trailers (updated)
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SATYAMSHOT 
August 5, 2013 at 8:44 AM
Once again a pastiche of various Hollywood tropes in the genre but I think it’s an effective trailer for its contexts. It should do very well assuming Rakesh Roshan once again has enough ‘Indianizaton’ in the mix. I’ll probably check this out in a theater where I don’t a number of big Hindi commercial releases these days. Chalk it down to my continuing addiction to the genre!
Incidentally that first scene with the older Hrithik is embarrassing! Mostly because of the ‘actor’!
On a final note think the trailer is way better than the posters.
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August 5, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Yeah, I cringed with the opening moments of this trailer. And it wasn’t just that the character was older, even in the original Koi Mil Gaya I found Hrithik embarrassingly bad at playing the mentally challenged character. But of course for a superhero in the Hollywood mold there’s no one who cuts a more appropriate figure. This will obviously do very good business.
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August 7, 2013 at 12:40 PM
The special effects look terrible. Can’t believe Bollywood is still at this level, and some folks from the film industry are already tweeting that this is better than Avatar.
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August 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM
And I’ll bet those same folks thought Kites was on par with The Godfather.
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August 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM
LOL
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August 5, 2013 at 10:07 AM
Can’t wait! My most awaited Hindi film this year.
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August 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM
Looks well put together visually. It’s interesting that Krrish is doing battle once again with Dhoom ala 2006 for the top grossing film of the year
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August 5, 2013 at 10:43 AM
Very good trailer. Looks slick with great SFX. A sure shot winner. I have to do a 180 re my position on this movie! Should not have doubted Roshan Sr.
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August 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM
think this is a film everyone will show up for. And this is isn’t true even for very many big films, even those that end up doing well. The rest depends on the film of course.
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August 6, 2013 at 4:19 PM
True. Ra1 proved that taking a gamble with expensive FX will at least ensure a fantabulous initial. 120+ is guaranteed, rest depends on the content. Trust Roshan Sr will do better than SRK in that department.
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August 7, 2013 at 9:06 AM
Ha, not me! Looks like a stupid movie – we’ve been spoiled this year with Raanjhanna, Lootera and BMB (the first two I loved and the latter I liked) so I’ve no intention of ruining the good run.
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August 5, 2013 at 11:03 AM
Yes and the reason D2 had an edge earlier was greater metro multiplex participation. As opposed to this Krrish was huge in smaller centers. Both films did very well everywhere but Krrish really had legs in smaller centers. Of course the difference between 2006 and today is that there are a lot more multiplexes in a lot more small centers. There isn’t even a comparison. On the other hand many of these multiplexes also behave like their Bombay counterparts. Which is one of the reasons why a film like YJHD can do as much as it did just on the basis of these multiplexes. All said and done I have a somewhat old-fashioned sense about these things. You can crack the biggest initial based on a variety of factors but to go much beyond this you need ‘substance’ in the film, however this is defined. Rakesh Roshan has been very successful doing this for the Krrish films. Also based on the Ra One initial and all the Hollywood films that do well in this genre (and of course something like Robot.. because Krrish will be huge in the dubbed Southern versions) Krrish will have no issues racing to one of the biggest initials. A film that is liked could also give this the biggest initial ever. All said and done Krrish shouldn’t really be doing less than 200. Just based on past performance and where the market is today. The same goes for D3. Think D3 should still top Krrish but the wildcard is nonetheless the script in each case. That each film can get to a massive initial is not in doubt but trending is another matter altogether.
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August 5, 2013 at 2:28 PM
Yes and the reason D2 had an edge earlier was greater metro multiplex participation.
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Satyam ji, I think it will be the same this time too. Rakesh Roshan the director has to hold the interest of the multiplex audience with the actual “content” because the VFX looks poor here. Already the comparison with Ra.one and mocking has started on web. From the trailer itself this looks like VFX heavy film so that would be a bigger negative on the multiplex side though I think the single screens will lap it up big time.
In a similar way I always had and still have doubts on D3 on whether Aamir can pull off the “cool” act and stunts that the franchise requires where both John and Hrithik were good at (their physicality being a plus). Can Aamir match them in terms of “cool’ factor is the question as no one sees acting in this sort of films. Its something he hasn’t done so far in his career so that’s a big apprehension in my mind.
However in both cases I believe they will cross 3I. The question really is by how much and the answer I think lies in the way audience react to the above two issues.
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August 5, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Remember guys there eas only super hero in Indian cinema that was appreciated and had an impact,eas Bachchan in Shahenshah.Rest all look jokers even with modernised special effects.
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August 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM
An updated look on all fronts..from production design ..to costuming..and the all important VFX…early in the game when making this type of movie with all the would be comparisons. RR said himself that budget constraints are big issue…imagine what it would be like to not have any..but have to give credit where credit is due and kudos for trying ..
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August 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Hmm the reactions seem fine. Seems maggie & also filmigirl has also liked it lol.
http://filmigirl.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/monday-post-krrish-3-drop-everything.html
Tho loved THIS poster…
Ps:Have not seen the video promo yet–stuck with work–may check it shortly when free,.,
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August 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM
amazing trailor,I am sure its going to be critisise to hollywood spider-man..bollywood is just matching everthing to hollywood,this film will have a huge opening.
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August 6, 2013 at 8:18 AM
Actor Hrithik Roshan has bounced back after his brain surgery and is readying for the release of his superhero film ” Krissh 3″.
“I am fit and fine… I am absolutely fantastic. Even with the hole in my brain… my spirit is intact. I thank all my fans for love and support. It (surgery) has reaffirmed few values. There is nothing better in this world than a man’s will,” Hrithik told reporters at the trailer launch of ‘Krissh 3’.
“Today, I am here because of one man’s vision and that is my father. He is an example of courage,” he said.
Hrithik was suffering from Subdural Hematoma caused in the brain as a result of the head injury. He successfully underwent a brain surgery to remove a two-month-old clot at Hinduja Healthcare Surgical in Khar last month.
The actor was performing stunts for his film ‘Bang Bang’ two months ago and suffered an injury on his head.
TOI
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August 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM
“I would not like to talk about my powers… want to keep it a suspense,” he said.
In the third installment of this superhero series, Vivek and Kangana are the new additions. They both play antagonists. “I loved working with the Roshans.. they are genuine, large hearted. I believe if you have a legendary director like Rakesh Roshan then you can play any character convincingly, it is his brilliance… he has created the character,” Vivek said.
“The credit goes to writers and Rakesh sir,” he said. It was Hrithik, who wanted to play the evil character played by Vivek but the director was not convinced.
“I wanted to play the villian. I think my dad was biased. But thank God I am not playing Vivek’s role as after looking at him on screen I feel only he could do this. He has done a phenomenal job,” Hrithik said.
Kangana too is happy to play a negative character. “For the first time playing a negative role… I have an unconventional look. I am sexy but wicked. I enjoy being called sexy,” she said. The film is set to release on November 4.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/krrish-3-i-wanted-to-do-viveks-role-says-hrithik-roshan/412232-8-66.html
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August 6, 2013 at 11:40 AM
the counting at BO will start from 101 cr here 🙂
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August 6, 2013 at 11:47 AM
someone else mentioned it here recently but it’s interesting that once again a Krrish sequel and a Dhoom sequel will arrive just a few months apart. Each one after a gap of seven years.
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August 6, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Krish3 CHEESE–head in the clouds & feet on the ground!!
Finally had a look @ the first promo. Overall I agree with Satyams readings here most and he has summarised it well imo.
‘Cheesy’ visuals hit u on the face from the word go…and it wasn’t unexpected either. But it’s the emphasis on cheese which I found noteworthy here.
However one needs to look BEYOND that cheese. This is a film that has to work in a big way -multiplexes, interiors, overseas and the works to be credible –and nope, I’m NOT reducing the targets here–they are emphatically excruciatingly high for hritik in this genre.
So why the ‘cheese’?
A team that has employed a physical trainer for hritik who charges more than many ‘lead heroines’ –can they not employ ANY godamm edgy or maverick or technically competent hollywoodised indian director or even a reasonable Hollywood one !!!
But will that work in this magnitude of investment returns?doubt it.
The roshans have learnt from the kites experience (thou I liked parts of it)—what did anurag barfi basu, Barbara’s Mori and Brett Rattner do ? It was neither here nor there…
The unique indian audiences
Are a tricky lot. While segments are exposed to the best of Hollywood and will compare vfx to Hollywood and will be the first ones to point out to tacky vfx (if any), most usually don’t go only by vfx.
Unlike their Hollywood counterparts, the indian audiences want ‘soul’ and they NEED an emotional hook to all the sci-fi /vfx shenanigans (one only has to look at Bra1 to prove that!)
So the ‘cheeses is a requisite ingredient for most segments (even for some others who won’t admit to liking it)
PLUSSES
Rakesh Roshan for all his ‘old school’ style has high ambitions of narrowing the gap with Hollywood in this genre BUT has his Feet Firmly planted on the ground and remembers his ROOTS (& that of the audiences)
This movie has to be a PAN-INDIAN hit to be credible and he’s a good choice for that challenge
But the biggest /only REAL Plus here is HRITIK in his BIGGEST test since his debut..
Yeah if it works it can go a long way– but I don’t think it will be as easy and have to see more to confirm that.
There are some GENUINE ISSUES here like
Audience exposure to markedly superior Hollywood genre
Conventional lack of interest in Bollywood to this genre
Fatigued franchise
But if there’s ANYONE who can make this work in Bollywood /India at this SCALE –it is Hritik Roshan
I’m not exaggerating—in the superhero genre–Hritik is amongst the BEST worldwide, forget India…
Even comparing him like to like with the likes of the very best Hollywood superheroes -I find him par (or more) even to the best (& I include Henry Cavill here)
All the best to the roshans
In his debut film, Rakesh Roshan mortgaged his house and earnings
This one may not lose him his house if it bombs –but Hritiks career and credibility in his choicest genre is at stake.
Nothing but big numbers will suffice,,..no excuses, no spins…
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August 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM
How can one film make or break an established actor’s career?
This film will succeed, but to what extent is the question here.
By the way, Why rajni is not doing Robot 2?
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August 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM
When a key /favoured genre film of a big star underperforms, the sequence are more (& far -reaching for that star!)
It’s like nadal losing miserably on clay….
Having said that—
““Today, I am here because of one man’s vision and that is my father. He is an example of courage,” he said.”
Have to agree…
Must hand it to Rakesh Roshan—
In a risky genre(for Bollywood seven years after the previous success with changing audience tastes),
possessing doubtful skillset for that genre,
being past his prime age wise and sensibility wise,
The man has placed his sons career in his own hands
Ad invested all he could into it
When he could have easily employed ANY edgy/young/happening director for the job (&escaped responsibility!)
This takes guts and conviction…(& courage)
It’s like agreeing to perform a life-saving/threatening surgery (as a surgeon) on the human being u love the most…..
The hand trembles….
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August 6, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Trailer Launch –Hritiks not yet fit & is nervous but like the camaraderie with his dad…
Can sense that Vivek O will deliver here –it’s a lifeline for him
As for PC -she is ‘busy’ …lol
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August 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM
“Hritiks not yet fit & is nervous”
There’s nothing that wounds the psyche of a star as much as bodily injury. This is true for all of us of course but the star being larger than life develops a ‘public’ body as well and sooner or later succumbs to the illusion that this wider body consumed by so many is less vulnerable. It’s not that one intellectually believes this but that one starts occupying that emotional space. Here of course the most legendary example is Bachchan’s own where the greatest god or cinema was also a heartbeat away from death. And this too was the shock of his injury — that he could ‘die’! Getting back to hrithik I’m not sure if he looks particularly nervous here (I’ve always detected a certain nervous anxiety in his off screen appearances, he doesn’t love the camera as much when he’s not in a film) but a bit of uncertainty at this point would hardly be surprising. And of course Krrish for him is symbolically much bigger than just any big production. So soon after his surgery he’s superhero once again in a film.
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August 6, 2013 at 4:53 PM
Krrish 3 trailer crosses a million mark in one day, gets a thumbs up from Bollywood
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/krrish-3-trailer-crosses-a-million-mark-in-one-day-gets-a-thumbs-up-from-bollywood/1151861/
Lol @ ‘Tom cruises best friend’ anil kapoor trying to do an amitabh in the trailer launch
Barfi! director Anurag Basu feels it will be difficult to bypass the standard of Krrish 3.
“@iHrithik Wow!!Best Trailer ever!! it’ll be tough to beat the standard set by Krrish 3”
Celebrated Indian author Chetan Bhagat also tweeted.
Chetan Bhagat ✔ @chetan_bhagat
Krrish 3 promo.Huge. Kids going as they love story.Youngsters going as they love Hrithik. And you can’t leave elders behind on Diwali. Huge.
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August 6, 2013 at 5:23 PM
The official theatrical trailer of Filmkraft’s Krrish 3 crossed the 2 million views mark on Youtube in less than 24 hours after the trailer was released on the Internet.
The response has been pretty good too with 17903 out of 20500 people (more than 87%) ‘liking’ the trailer on the popular video sharing website.
Its the FASTEST for any film in BOLLYWOOD HISTORY to get that many views,
2million mark
Krish3 – <24 hours
Chennai Express 4 days
Ek Tha Tiger 6 days
respectively to cross the 2 million mark.
Ranbir Kapoor's recently released trailer of Besharam also crossed 2 million views after 6 days.
Ps: just an indicator since box office is a differnt story but shiws the interest level.
seems the core krish/hritik fans (kids/youngsters) have gone orgasmic on youtube (& given porn a break for a while !)
🙂
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August 6, 2013 at 5:50 PM
“Bollywood actor Anil Kapoor today said he shared a special director-actor pairing with Rakesh Roshan as together they had delivered many hit films. “Like there was this hit jodi (pair) of Amitabh Bachchan and Manmohan Desai, Karan Johar-Shah Rukh Khan…the same way, I felt Guddu and me were also a jodi,”Anil Kapoor said.”
Haaha ‘Tom cruise’s friend’ is funny…
Incidentally MI-ghost protocol running on telly…
Jus saw again anil kapoors ‘abominable’ antics with Paula Patton
As for Paula Patton….more later….
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August 6, 2013 at 6:23 PM
the Desai-Bachchan analogy is even funnier!
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August 6, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Let them use Hollywood type special effects and other techiniques but still they can’t match thr charishma of Bachchan.Hrithik has to take ten more janams to even match 1% of Bachchan..
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August 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Can you please remove Amitabh’s goggles?
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August 6, 2013 at 1:32 PM
So do you think they should have cast Bachchan as Krrish?
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August 6, 2013 at 10:06 PM
According to this guy they should have taken Bachchan as Krish in place of Hrithik.Wah wah what a choice it would have been and even Ramu ki aag would have been put to shame.
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August 7, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Oh come on guys! I think you don’t have full introduction of Bachchan otherwise would’t have commented like this.Bachchan has the ability to play krish even at this age and he can play far better than Hrithik.If they had done so the film would have been international mega blockbuster then.Bachchan is magical and one needs powerful eyes to see his magic and i think you guys lack in that department.
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August 7, 2013 at 1:28 AM
Dharn now enough is enough..Wake up man and try to be practical.Nobody will disagree with the fact that Bachchan is a ledgend but comparing him with the actors who are of the age of his son is totally ridiculous.
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August 7, 2013 at 3:00 AM
Yes Bachchan should be in all the movies so that no one can copy him
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August 7, 2013 at 7:05 AM
Anuj:
http://cricfilm.blogspot.in/2013/08/my-take-on-krrish-3-trailer.html
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August 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM
Krish3 beats Avengers & Thor in he number of worldwide hits!!!!
I think this is only an indirect indicator and yeah it has something to do with the large numbers of Indians operating online etc BUT still…
It IS creditable imo
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Krrish-3-trailer-gets-more-views-than-Thor-and-Avengers/articleshow/21893098.cms
Things could not get any better for the Roshan family this year. After the humongous views and appreciation the trailer of their biggest venture ‘Krrish 3’ received, reports suggest that the film has outbeaten the record of H’wood films by gathering 12 million views in just a short span of ten days!
Krrish 3 has left behind two of the biggest super hero releases of Hollywood, ‘Avengers’ (almost 6 million) and ‘Thor’ (almost 4 million) and thus emerged as the most awaited movie of the year.
The Roshan family is beaming with excitement over the news. Last heard, the trailer views have reached a new high of 12.8 millions.
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August 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Krish3 trailer beats avengers & thor !!!!
This ‘feat’ hasn’t gone unnoticed
This was reported in the local media in an international news show I checked coincidentally
Other reports —
http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/08/18/krrish-3-trailer-proving-a-hit-on-youtube/
Krrish 3 is an upcoming Bollywood superhero science fiction film, which is being produced and directed by Rakesh Roshan. The Krrish 3 trailer was uploaded to YouTube back in early August, and it immediately drew attention because of the large scale destruction shown and the slow motion special effects.
Krrish 3 looks a little bit like Man Of Steel, The Matrix, Transformers, Iron Man, and the X-Men all wrapped up into one. In a very short time, Krrish 3 has hit over 13 million views on YouTube.
A report in the Times Of India has put the Krrish 3 trailer as outperforming blockbusters like The Avengers and Thor. When we checked YouTube, The Avengers trailer actually had quite a few more views. However, The Avengers was released over a year ago, so the Times Of India article could be referencing just the number of views received in the first ten days. It could also just be confusion over how studio trailer get uploaded multiple times to YouTube, so some trailers could show less views.
Regardless of whether Krrish 3 outperformed The Avengers on YouTube in a similar time period or not, thirteen million views on YouTube for a new movie trailer is still impressive no matter how you look at it.
Ps: the micro dissection has started as to how this could be actually a ‘mistake’ in uploading etc
But c’mon guys give some credit where it’s due
Krish3 is rubbing shoulders with the likes of avengers etc with a budget of less than 10% of the avatars & avengers type mega productions…
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September 9, 2013 at 12:09 AM
Raghupati song from Krrish3
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September 10, 2013 at 3:34 PM
‘Teaser’
[added to post]
So it’s PC here again
And hritik not exactly in full flow here (in the few seconds on show)
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September 11, 2013 at 2:09 AM
one thing sure and that is no one can compete with Hrithik as far as dancing is concerned.
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September 11, 2013 at 8:48 AM
Yes Michael– & this is hritik NOT @ his best–
Like the steps though– all new
Have no problems with PC, but the poor gal has lost her box office pull totally. And with Oberoi being another box office liability & a fatigued franchise— think HR has too much to pull here on his own
( unlike aamir in dhhom3 )
Ps: HR has gained a bit of weight & the reflexes aren’t sharp enuf–but still he’s best in the bunch!
The music & settings cheesy
Ps :THIS is where the star has to EARN & JUSTIFY THE BIG BUCKS—
It’s deliver or perish now for HR-NO excuses ….
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September 11, 2013 at 8:50 AM
Hritik is a great dancer but everything he does seems manufactured. He seems to have that “hey look I am acting, hey look I am dancing” kind of statement stamped on whatever he does. He acts even while he dances. I just feel he should just be natural once in a while.
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September 11, 2013 at 8:57 AM
One can say that about just about everyone
“He acts even while he dances”—btw that’s a positive thing– otherwise it gets ‘mechanical’
And just bcos HR doesn’t indulge in too much politicking & self promotion& subtle intimidation, doesn’t mean people should find flimsy excuses to pull him down…
Get better points folks…
Ps: just saw this clip properly–HR has indeed slowed down — hope its just in this clip—
I don’t lower standards just to cover for ‘lapses’– keep em high
Prabhudeva is technically better but there’s something elasticity wierd about him …But when in flow-there’s no better dancer / mover in Bollywood than HR (ever)
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September 11, 2013 at 9:50 AM
Well I dont really have any issues with him, infact I quite like him a lot. There is a lot one can learn from him but that will not change anything else I said.
Prabhu Deva plays more often than not someone who is associated with dance in his movies. So I cannot fault his moves. But Hritik doesnt dance naturally. He seems like a robot moving to a rhythm. For all that you know he might be saying “one, Two, Three, Four, left foot out, right foot in” while dancing too. It looks great on screen mind you but not natural. Acting while dancing is not a positive thing. I think you need to just let yourself go while dancing rather than worry about how the audience will see you in a particular step. And he himself admits he is not a natural and he has to work for hours to perfect a move. He is a great role model in that sense as most of the things he does on screen are not intrinsic. They are all acquired skills honed due to his hard work. The same is true for his acting also. He is hardly a natural actor. You can see the effort on screen. He is always wary on how a particular thing will look on screen while acting. All manufactured as I said. Take his entry scene in ZNMD. He ‘acts’ so wierdly trying to show he is a superbusy investment banker who has no time. The whole tone of that movie is subtle and HR is so out of place most of the time. And that becomes evident when he has an intelligent actor in the same frame as his. Be it Rishi Kapoor in Agneepath or Farhan Akhtar in ZNMD. No wonder Farhan walked away with all laurels in ZNMD.
If you need to see a natural dancer, I would recommend Vijay. He is hardly an actor but a great natural dancer.
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September 11, 2013 at 10:17 AM
Interesting observations.
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September 11, 2013 at 7:29 PM
U hit it on the head. The manufactured acting gets more evident when compared with a totally effortless natural Ranbir.
I also feel Aamir has lately started getting into that manufactured mode. His performances in the 90s were bindaas. Sallu has always been bindaas, and SRK does it only when he wants to. Mostly tries to ham his way out.
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September 11, 2013 at 9:53 AM
Hritik’s body of work is really good. He is simply a wonderful star (I am not using the word actor here – as many don’t consider him that. But he is gifted with greek-god features and he emotes straight from his heart – if that is not acting then what is?) – He has done agnipath / Guzaarish (one of his finest perf.) / ZNMD / JA / Lakshya etc. apart from his dad’s projects (all BB stuff). He has created a special place for him as a solo-successful-hero. This is what Abhi shd have achieved but call it badluck or lack of good choices or even when the choices were right (lack of committment to the character – DRONA is the biggest example of how he could turn it into his biggest BB by participating at the script level and then making a chiseled-body). Not to take away anything from him as he surely has the potential but even now (and that s good) when he is riding on lot of forthcoming BB stuff – how many projects have him as a solo-hero? Has he become a bankable solo-star? well…..
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September 11, 2013 at 9:56 AM
HR’s upcoming projects:
Bang Bang (in production)
2014 Shuddhi (announced)
???? Untitled Zoya Akhtar Project (pre-production)
2013 Krrish 3 (post-production)
Krishna Mehra / Krrish / Rohit Mehra
All 4 likely to be SH/BB stuff at the B.O. and all different and solo-hero stuff.
and ABHI’s upcoming projects:
Dostana 2 (pre-production)
Sam
2013 Dhoom 3 (completed)
A.C.P. Jai Dixit
HNY (shooging on)
although all 3 SH/BB stuff – how many as a solo-hero?
at-least he has progressed in a way that he is now part of some BB stuff but comparing his career with HR’s – the latter has clearly established himself as a successful BO solo-star and how!
It is good to see abhi around still but what could have been is an entirely another story………
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September 11, 2013 at 9:58 AM
There is no question he is a star. and a Genuine one at that.
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September 11, 2013 at 10:14 AM
one of the many superb songs from Guzaarish:
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September 11, 2013 at 10:20 AM
another gem: Chand ki katori….
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September 11, 2013 at 10:24 AM
My most fav. song of the film (my ringtone also!) – Thodi si meethi hei….. (listen to the lyrics guys)
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September 11, 2013 at 10:18 AM
“Well I dont really have any issues with him, infact I quite like him a lot”–your ‘name’ proves it anyways…lol
If u find hritik ‘unnatural’, guess what’s aamir–he seems he has been sitting on that dialogue /scene for ages and manipulating all permutations before filming…
As for abhishrek, think its unfair to compare him to HR–the only thing comparable/similar is the time of entry to films..
“Take his entry scene in ZNMD. He ‘acts’ so wierdly trying to show he is a superbusy investment banker who has no time”
Haha u are somewhat right on that –but that’s a HR role (& movie) I like a lot–for some reasons…
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September 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM
I dont rate Aamir too high on acting scale either. Aamir is always good at what he does but never great in anything he does. Abhishek is an okay actor. Once upon a time I thought he was very good and had great potential. I liked him in Yuva very very much. KANK was his last performance I liked. After that he has just stagnated completely in the last 4-5 years. Most of his last performance he has been too wooden for my liking. I am new to this blog so I must admit I was surprised to see that there is actually something like an Abhishek fan club here. I think his work doesnt merit such a loyal fan club. But thats just my opinion.
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September 11, 2013 at 10:32 AM
And Apex my name really is Krish 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 10:47 AM
“I was surprised to see that there is actually something like an Abhishek fan club here. I think his work doesnt merit such a loyal fan club. But thats just my opinion.”– that’s also (almost) everyone’s opinion here also.
It’s just that we should allow Satyam his fetishistic excesses ..lol
“And Apex my name really is Krish “– am glad u didn’t say your name is ‘krish3’ –& it’s nice to see a gal with that name 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM
I am as much of a gal as you are 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 10:48 AM
This trailer comes as a real shocker. Who knew Hrithik Roshan could dance?
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September 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM
You are in for another shock: apparently he has a chiseled body and is 12 packed!!
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September 11, 2013 at 11:42 AM
Easy there, these half decent quips appear to have hit some half literate nerves.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM
I hope this is pointed at the obvious person & not me? My comment was a quip too!! Just wanted to be sure..
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September 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM
Lol. It’s at the person keeping a keen eye on Ritesh Deshmukh’s career.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:44 AM
‘Easy there’ –u bet!!!!!
Hail -U epitome of literacy 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM
“My comment was a quip too!! “– no yours or mine weren’t quips! Lol
There’s only one über-literate quip-ster here
Gf aka gorillas friend !! 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Haha.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Ha!!!
I’d be shocked to see him act though. I mean in the serious sense. I apologize to Hrithik fans for expecting more than Tobey MacGuire’s level of competence from him. No disrespect intended to MacGuire.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:22 AM
One can’t help if someone gets a ‘shock’ @ abhishreks ‘paunch’ or Kareena’s ‘b..bs’
The distance people travel to get a half decent quip. Easier throwing such ‘shock prone’ people off the cliff 🙂
Get em rid of ‘shocks’ once n for all lol
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September 11, 2013 at 11:39 AM
Ok before the ‘off the cliff’ treatment, let’s give the ‘shock prone’ guy another shock—ive cast him as ‘ritesh deshmukh’ here 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 11:51 AM
Apex, put this sort of stuff in the box office thread next time. It’s unrelated to this thread.
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September 11, 2013 at 12:02 PM
Its related to gf who is playing ritesh in this flick ‘grand masti’ ( on popular demand of this blog )
Yeah folks gf is here 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Can we find a thread for his bad comebacks too? There are way too many here.
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September 11, 2013 at 12:07 PM
No escape now gf
U will have to LIVE ritesh deshmukh now in ‘Gand Masti’ 🙂
Ps: and enuf fun chum gf–now time to get back in the ‘cage’ ! Lol
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September 11, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Q: “Who knew Hrithik Roshan could dance?”
A: Everyone except the ‘differently intelligent’ creature asking this imbecilic question !!! 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM
I know that people who sometimes use HR to bring down SRK, same people will now try to bring down HR. Somethings don’t change.
I’m super excited about this one. I have full faith in Rakesh Roshan and as a fan of RR, i will not use any excuse. None of these genre, age, etc… excuses.
About 150 first week (give or take 20 crore), about 200 to 250 total.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:56 AM
I would like to say grand total might be more but i think for big movies the model will be more and more of earning like good 70% in first week.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM
For the movies that makes over 100 crore in first week itself.
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September 11, 2013 at 11:57 AM
200-250 is a cakewalk for biggies like D3 / K3.
Doesn’t matter people say – I really like HR very much and he is doing extremely well for his career.
Its a pity that Satyam who analyzes aamir’s career so well fails to see HR’s projects. Come on man! be a sport. Give HR his due.
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September 11, 2013 at 12:05 PM
HR is in top 5 since his debute, some years at # 1 position and some years at some other position but always in top 5. You can’t be average and be in top 5, HR is a solid star and a good actor, no other ways around it.
Now SRK is probably in top 3 for many many years? If one fails to give SRK credit what makes you think HR will get any credit. HR will get credit if it means using HR to bring down SRK but outside of that, HR will not get any credit…
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September 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM
Actually and though this might come as a shock to you (as it does to many) there is absolutely no connection (none, zilch) between box office stardom and acting ability (defined in a serious sense). Neither in India nor in Hollwyood. The examples are so legion it seems to be an absurd exercise to even have to list them!
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September 11, 2013 at 12:35 PM
I analyze all careers well! Or perhaps I analyze all of them badly! But it’s the fans who find some views less acceptable than others! I have a simple proposition here — the reason I analyze Aamir well (in your version.. not one everyone agrees with.. ask Oldgold!) is precisely because I also say this stuff about Hrithik. In other words the two are connected. It is the same worldview, it is the same ‘sense’ of what is important in an industry in a historical sense. And so on. You don’t get one without the other. it’s a larger framing within which I place all these stars. If you move one out of place you spoil the frame! Which doesn’t mean that there cannot be different evaluations from time to time based on facts.
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September 13, 2013 at 10:57 AM
satyam – why are you deleting comments when u r confronted with abhi-bashing?
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September 13, 2013 at 11:09 AM
who said I deleted anything? You think Raj5 or Z would be around if I were deleting anti-Bachchan stuff?
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September 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM
@ gorillas friend aka gf–Your quips are good
Oops can’t hold it back anymore..
To tell u the ‘truth’—
They are as useless as an ‘ay’ in ‘okay’ ( go figure… ) 🙂
Ps: to clarify- (this one is not for aanjo who does cum up with gud ones sometimes)lol
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September 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM
by the way, Krissh 3 trailer looked awesome in theatre and the background music was good too.
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September 11, 2013 at 12:00 PM
“Its a pity that Satyam who analyzes aamir’s career so well fails to see HR’s projects. Come on man! be a sport. Give HR his due”
Well said idea…
“I know that people who sometimes use HR to bring down SRK, same people will now try to bring down HR. Somethings don’t change”– agree Saira… Well some things never change lol 🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 12:13 PM
Ok folks–
let’s bring a halt to this ‘go for gf’ campaign
The poor guys tired (& painful) now
& there are no more ‘shocks’ he can endure ….
Ps: hope u recover soon…
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September 11, 2013 at 12:18 PM
& gf– next time u are seen chatting to Amy– beware !!!
🙂
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September 11, 2013 at 12:20 PM
Just a thought, I know Rajesh Roshan don’t give music for many films (only for Rakesh Roshan) in past decade or so but this guy has stayed with current times. He gives music which youth can relate to yet keeps the old charm alive.
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September 11, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Agreed. On the video, it’s been 7 years since we’ve seen Hrithik Roshan dance like Hrithik Roshan in his movie. The last time I remember him dancing was in Dhoom 2. He had to simplify the dance in the Senorita song from ZNMD for his co stars.
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September 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Good point, that goes for all of his movies where there’s another actor/actress dancing with him. It’s the solo songs where he can truly show his stuff.
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September 11, 2013 at 12:21 PM
This is called true masala
Action emotion flights & last but not the least–
Debauchery!
Thanx gf– hope u didn’t mind 😉
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September 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM
& err–forgot to take Amy
For some auctions (For FSoG!)
C’mon Amy 😉
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September 12, 2013 at 6:17 AM
Typo –‘audition’ is on…
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September 12, 2013 at 1:59 AM
“I am new to this blog so I must admit I was surprised to see that there is actually something like an Abhishek fan club here. I think his work doesnt merit such a loyal fan club. But thats just my opinion.”
Dost bahut badi baat keh di tumne. Ab Zalzala aayega, Zalzala.
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September 13, 2013 at 9:26 AM
ha ha ha ha – Zalzala – rofl – satyam will shake the entire blog-world of the entire universe 🙂
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September 14, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Is releasing Krrish 3 on Nov 4 a wise decision? Rakesh Roshan explains
By Ryan Lobo, Sep 11, 2013 – 02:04 IST
Krrish 3 by now has become one of the most talked about and of course most awaited films of this year. Ever since the trailer of the film was released, the audience has been buzzing with anticipation for the film. However, Rakesh Roshan’s decision to release the film on November 4 seems to have ruffled a few feathers with certain distributors.
In fact a portion of the industry apparently claims that Rakesh Roshan would be losing out on a massive weekend collection with this decision. However, on the other hand, remembering the fact that usually in the run up to Diwali and not forgetting the day of Diwali itself, most of the populace that comprises a majority of Hindus, will be busy with preparations and poojas for the festival.
Past records also show that films which released on Diwali day show a rise in the business during the morning shows, however they have almost always shown a massive downturn during the evening and night shows.
Bollywood Hungama caught up with Rakesh Roshan who readily laid our apprehensions to rest. “First of all, I want to know who are the ones saying that my decision to release on November 4 is wrong? As I see it, none of the distributors that I am working with have any problem”, says Rakesh. While at the same time, defending his decision on the release date, he says, “See in my experience, I have noticed that the pre-Diwali release week has always featured a low turnout in terms of numbers and revenues, so why take that risk, especially when I can release my film the following Monday and still have a full week for the film to capitalize on.”
While the trailer of the film has already gathered enough steam, there are many in the industry who seem confident about the film’s success. Rakesh Roshan being one of them says, “For me, I know what my film is and with the response the trailer has been getting, the film will obviously get a better response in the cinema halls. So I am not worried about losing out on those three days when I have a week to explore my film.”
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September 14, 2013 at 5:52 PM
Whether he can get the biggest possible opening numbers this way or not I think that those who are confident about a certain trending on their film are less bothered with getting the absolute biggest first day or what have you.
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September 25, 2013 at 10:01 AM
but that is a wrong decision – weekend is a weekend and that will put a huge dent in K3’s final tally I guess
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September 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM
What a terrible song…Hrithik dance is amazing which is expected
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September 25, 2013 at 8:40 AM
This is a pretty atrocious song even by the not-so-sublime standards of previous Krrish soundtracks. The last song was pretty poor too. Beyond this Hrithik looks very weird here! Don’t know why he keeps returning to this gigolo look.
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September 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM
LOL! Even worse than the song itself is the supremely awkward choreography! And Kangana now looks so artificial, that Katrina would look positively earthy beside her!
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September 25, 2013 at 8:58 AM
Kangana is an alien so that look can be explained I guess. But a song between an alien and a superhero sounds weird.
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September 25, 2013 at 9:10 AM
Effeminate more than gigolo-ish is how I would describe it. There is so much fluidity in his dance moves, they really make him look gay, ie, a ‘macho’ man could never dance with such sublimity and grace! I cant find the video, but Jon Stewart had long ago made fun of Krissh precisely because of those dance moves. An Indian Superhero who dances like that. They couldve done away with all the dancing in a superhero movie, perhaps just had songs in the background while Krissh flies from place to place.
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September 25, 2013 at 9:25 AM
Actually a macho man (as per the Western definition) would never do 99% of the things that a typical Bollywood hero does; your average American comedian would find everything from his close, physically expressive male friendships to his romantic duets to be ‘gay’, and his overt attachment to his mother would earn him the tag of a ‘momma’s boy who needs to grow up’.
Why use Western perceptions of masculinity to judge a series, that despite its superficially ‘global’ facade, is completely rooted in Desi sensibilities?
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September 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM
He also looks like he has been on a steroid diet because obviously the audience didn’t find the earlier Hrithik muscular enough 🙂
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September 25, 2013 at 10:34 AM
The reviewers are going to be fun to read here. Because with Hrithik in this kind of format especially it’s nearly always a collection of thinly veiled compliments to his scantily-clad physique masquerading as considerate commentary on his dramatic craft.
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September 25, 2013 at 8:48 AM
This song is the pits. I honestly had liked Krrish. But the trwo songs shown so far appear so lacking in any kind of imagination and aesthetics, that I am now even allowing the possibility of the impossible … that this will turn out worse than Ra-One. And Satyam: Gigolo look is bang on…I just could not decide who looked worse, Hritik or Kangana.
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September 25, 2013 at 8:56 AM
Why is Krrish singing a song with an alien? Kangana is a alien in this movie.
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September 25, 2013 at 10:29 AM
I know that looks ridiculous as opposed to regular folks just singing songs which is totally believable 🙂
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September 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Really? Didn’t know this!
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September 25, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Yeah She plays a mutant called Kaya. The role was originally to be done by Chitrangadha Singh.
So Kaal played by Vivek has a henchwoman named Kaya who has the proverbial golden heart. Kaya is sent by Kaal to kill Krrish but it so happens that Krrish saves Kaya from getting killed and hence Kaya falls for Krrish and then she imagines this very unique love song between a mutant and a superhero in her dreams. So Original!!!
I wont be surprised if this actually is a subplot of the movie.
The movie looks all set to be a mega disaster from the songs till now.
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September 25, 2013 at 11:39 AM
CE ending as the years top grosser is a possibility one needs to genuinely consider after all!!
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September 25, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Chitranagada would have been good for the part. Didn’t know about this subplot here. Seems like they’re trying to squeeze in a lot of stuff here. Nonetheless the initial will easily be massive. Given how little viewers are satisfied with these days and given the truly low standards of the trade this film would have to utterly tank not to throw up some huge benchmarks. It’s just not very likely with Rakesh Roshan in charge.
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September 25, 2013 at 12:30 PM
That subplot of Kaya falling in love is my own making. But the mutant sub plot is true.
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September 25, 2013 at 1:59 PM
guess Kangana was picked cos she has a “K” in her name :):):)
….and so does rest of the stars n ofcourse the title ! not a true story just made that up…
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September 25, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Kaya, Kaal and Krish, umm yeah I am not the target audience for this movie.
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September 25, 2013 at 3:29 PM
Ha!
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September 25, 2013 at 3:30 PM
And hritiK, priyanKa, viveK, raKesh, Kangana, reKha…:P
funny indeed !!
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September 25, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Itne saare K padne ke baad mujhe “k,k,k,k.. kiran” yaad aa gayi.
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September 25, 2013 at 9:35 AM
The only good thing about this song we finally have Satyam and Utkal agreeing on something!!
On Ra-one thought the film was not as bad as it was made out to be. It was not good at all but the kind of reactions it was getting, I went hoping to see something truly bad. But I could manage to sit through the first half and only in the second half I got truly turned off by the movie. If anything that year I found Ra-one to be better than Don 2. I think if SRK had promoted it as a kid flick (and edited some of the scenes which made even the adults squirm) the movie would have met expectations
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September 25, 2013 at 7:44 PM
Wasnt Raone promoted as a kid’s film aswell? It was promoted as family film and it was promoted in every other way hook or crook for everyone. What was there for kids?
Condom condom jokes…Gay scenes….Iski lee…uski le..sabki lee…boobs groping…crouch grabbing.
Watch it for more detail and still happy with it, then show to your kids/siblings-
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September 25, 2013 at 9:58 AM
am I the only one who thinks that this song has Ghajini song hangover?
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September 25, 2013 at 10:21 AM
No that’s definitely my impression as well. To be fair, I thought that choreography and Aamir’s look was pretty much as poor as what’s going on in this atrocious Krrish video, although the saving grace in Ghajini’s case is of course Rahman and Ravi Chandran.
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September 25, 2013 at 10:46 AM
and also Asin? 🙂 for all these – I will overlook aamir’s criticism 🙂
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September 25, 2013 at 10:25 PM
yep that was my first thought…a “guzaarish” hang over. the music of K3 has been boring.
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September 29, 2013 at 2:43 AM
absolutely right
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September 30, 2013 at 11:32 PM
In the song, Kangana wears dresses in colours of red, white and golden, exactly similar to the colours Asin wears in the Guzaarish song.
The backdrop of an arid desert and the composition of the frames looks strangely similar. Also the low angles in which the camera swoops on the actors is same.
Both Aamir and Hrithik are shown baring their torsos and exposing their six-pack abs. Also notice how the styling is same.
Looks like the choreographer has even taken shot references and made Hrithik and Kangana pose like Aamir and Asin
http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/1895890/report-has-hrithik-roshan-copied-aamir-khan-s-song-in-krissh-3
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October 1, 2013 at 4:18 AM
but Guzaarish song and the whole picturisation was supremely better than this one: and Yeah – aamir looked better than hritik!
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September 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM
Looks like everybody is loving Krissh3 🙂
I wouldn’t worry too much about this film, it will find it’s audience and will end in top 3 grosser of the year unless it’s a total crap where paying public can’t stand it.
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September 25, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Ok what was this ? Couldn’t fathom..
And what IS kangana doing ?
Can u imagine ANY other hero ( including srk , aamir!!) starring in a film/ singing duets with kangana !!
But seems dad Rakesh had chosen a ‘safe’ option…
But THIS ‘safe’— ok she’s a ‘mutant’
Think before saving the world, hritik needs to SINLE HANDEDLY save this film….
And even hritik seems subpar here
He seems ‘immobilised’–something wrong with him
I have a sense that the coke addict @ home is giving him bother..
Anyhow wishing hr all the best…(& he still manages to look good)
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September 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM
We are told Kangana is the mutant here. We are also meant to believe Hrithik is the human.
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September 26, 2013 at 7:25 AM
apex, what we say/hear on this blog is different from real world. Haggered, depleted, etc SRK just gave over 400 crore grosser.
I wouldn’t worry about all the terms like Immobilised, gigolo look, mutant, etc…
I have full faith in RR and HR star power.
There’s a huge difference between crap of superstars and crap of everybody else 🙂
Only thing which I don’t understand if true, is the release date.
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September 26, 2013 at 10:38 AM
yes but the problem with those numbers is that whether it’s 50 or 100 or 400 SRK fans say the same thing. It’s hard to tell what the floor here is. Evidently Don2 and JTHJ proved as much. Not sure what more CE did!
On the rest most of us who’ve criticized the Krrish trailer haven’t exactly said anything about its box office. I’ve usually argued the opposite. Having said that it’s unfortunate that this crude mentality continues to dominate many conversations where the moment a certain box office gross is guaranteed it is supposed to end all discussion. As I said the other day people suddenly develop a conscience only when Grand Masti releases. The problem is that most major stars are really doing the equivalent of GM anyway. That is how you get those grosses. So SRK goes to Rohit Shetty to get it! How far is this from the GM kind of world?! Even leaving aside the specific genre most major stars in their key films are really doing the equivalent of this. A cinema by the numbers designed to get big initials and little more. The films are sometimes passable or even enjoyable. But they’re fundamentally poor representatives of their respective genre. And again a big gross doesn’t end all debates. Will Smith was a huge box office star for the longest time. This didn’t mean one couldn’t debate him as an actor or on other grounds. Or for that matter the films in question. I’m all for box office debates but one should keep these apart from other matters. Because again this crude, crass thinking becomes the norm in every other discussion.
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September 26, 2013 at 11:38 AM
With the abysmally low standards going around in Hi-fi currently, there is NO doubt that Krishiit 3 would mint money. And that HR’s would be heralded as the most emotional act that anybody could ever display behind a caped face. If anybody had an iota of doubt that SRK didn’t enter Shetty’s camp just to get back his mojo/money-power, then God help him or her. And if ‘on the ground’, as people say, a ‘haggard’ look is inconsequential when it comes to ‘money’, so be it. But the fact, CE or no CE, SRK is looking ill-fit and haggard in CE. CE’s success doesn’t change his age or his worsening looks!
In an industry-English-media complex where you have the likes of HR’s act in KMG passed off as equivalent to Day-Lewis’ Christy Brown, what type of qualitative standards are we exactly talking of?
Amitabh Bachchan had a brief moment of respite when a crappy AAJ KA ARJUN became a hit. But did it really matter to Amitabh? Did it even ‘buy’ time for him? It is still an embarrassment for fans – at least to see him consciously aware of his age and looks when romancing Manisha or Shilpa– like me though at that time, it might have put in some ‘mojo’ for whatever it was worth. I didn’t simply ‘change’ my estimate for AAJ KA ARJUN just because it managed to become a hit! Give me a decent one like NISHABDH where AB comes up with a mind-boggling performance that would literally shade every other actor that has tried his hand in displaying emotional complexities of a May-December romance.
So a better analysis would be, will CE really add anything to SRK’s repertoire? Other than the fact that it minted 225 or so crores? Yes of course that is a big achievement. Nobody is denying that. Box office pundits will carry on with baniya mathematics and the number game. But the real question is how does CE really add value to SRK’s portfolio? If he is really that great an actor that his fans make him out to be, then with or without CE, SRK had to be a damn good actor who would have directors line up to him. But that didn’t happen. Taking the other side of the equation, if SRK was so dependent on a project to ‘bring’ him back on the playing field as a still-relevant player, then things pre-CE were really bleak. So his fans have to decide what they expect from SRK and what their standards of ‘stardom’ or ‘dominance’ are.
I am not going to change my view on AB just because he gives a huge hit with David Dhawan. It is immaterial for me as a fan. Now those monetary metrics will obviously matter for those that have invested in the film. And the rest will be taken care of by them. I need not ‘complement’ the stature of an actor by colluding with them.
So this mentality of ‘anything goes’ because a film has pulled in huge numbers is not really a good logic. Then is GM a classic? If it is, then yes, we are going to get sequels to GM and we better be ready for them and stop whining. One needs to separate qualitative and quantitative analysis. Otherwise we are just jumbling up the equation and simply ‘manipulating’ it every-time so suit or needs.
Here’s something in case one missed..
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September 26, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Difference is, todays actors are very fit compared to yesteryear actors. I don’t see srk, salman, aamir going anywhere for atleast next 5 years. They’ll be in top 4 to 5 every year.
I’ve been hearing about SRK being over for more then 10 years, well here you are, still talking about SRK…
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September 26, 2013 at 1:18 PM
Once again very poor film history on your part. Of the older stars most hung around for decades (they’re not sportsmen anyway where they have to be super fit to survive). Just being around is not the point, it’s about being relevant. Or defining the terms of the debate. SRK hasn’t done this forever. Even CE doesn’t change this. So yeah he’s jumped on the Rohit Shetty bandwagon. The gross will soon be superseded by others. But even accepting your terms between OSO and CE SRK was nowhere close to such a big grosser. That’s 7 years! Of course in between people like yourself were still pretending this wasn’t a problem. So when he doesn’t have the big numbers he’s still doing well, when he does he’s suddenly on top! Salman was extinct for the longest time before he returned with Wanted and especially Dabanng. For most of the past decade he wasn’t really relevant to any conversation. So this whole ‘Khan’ label is in any case problematic and moreover communally coded in certain ways. If one or more do well the guy not doing so somewhat gets some credit for just belonging to the label. No other star has this advantage. So it’s an abstraction called the Khans where as long as someone or the other does well everyone’s ok! But again the older stars were around for decades. Would you like a list with dates? As for the current ones well if everyone’s around for that long surely SRK being around is not the most surprising thing?! When Devgan and Akshay Kumar and anyone even half-significant is still around! Again the problem with this game is that it’s supremely dishonest. You can play it in your mind but if you do so publicly and if you’re not surrounded by folks like yourself you will get called again and again on it! Just in the last few comments there have been a string of contradictory and downright dishonest claims, some of which I’ve pointed out. Again take the CE win and be happy. Don’t go crazy with it unless you’re willing to follow that logic through. Tomorrow if a film doesn’t work you’ll be back to the ‘hey it’s pretty good for a flop’ routine!
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September 26, 2013 at 1:15 PM
When talking to people who treats medicore films like DMD as some sort of classic, then anythign goes.
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September 26, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Guilty as charged. Not all of us can be sophisticated enough for Ra One, RNBDJ, CE etc.
By the way how do you know a film is ‘mediocre’? How would you ever be able to tell the difference? Doubt anything has enabled you to differentiate this stuff!
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September 29, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Not all of us can be sophisticated enough for drona, bnb, player, dmd and the list is endless…
What is your definition of ‘medicore’? any film with srk in it?
bachhan has been irrelavent for about 25 years now.
Can you provide the worlwide boxoffice numbers for SRK films between OSO and CE. i assume none of his films would be in top 10 since you’re saying he wasn’t relevant. While you’re at it provide bachhans too for that same period.
anybody who knows you for past decade or so knows what kind of honesty you displays when it comes to srk.
For me it’s just fun to see you be so misarable for past 10 years because SRK is still here and in top 5 and bachhans (the whole family) is totally irrelavent.
you have your opinion and i have mine. if my opinions are dishonest then yours are as well. but i don’t go around judging people and start calling them names, but i guess when your fav actor is so irrelavent, it will bring misery and on top of it the actor you’ve spent your life bringging down is still in top 5.
Happy few more years 🙂
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September 29, 2013 at 7:34 AM
Bachchan’s films were actually in the top 5 or top 3 through 1992. So if you’re using that top 10 argument for SRK you should be consistent here. Again before asking for honesty you must first prove your own. Then Bachchan was out of action for 5 years beginning in 1992. You have to account for this too. Beyond this it is again dishonest to talk about his relevance when (and we’ve been through this before) every top director in the country wanted him or when the KBC ratings created Indian history (he’s now into his seventh season) which SRK couldn’t match (even on the second season let alone the first) or when he had the widest range of endorsements of any star then or now (which included even an anti-polio campaign where they saw a 400% rise after his efforts) to of course his unmatched transcendence as a public/cultural figure. One could multiply these examples or flesh them out but it’s simply dishonest to pretend it’s only about the box office (of course it’s another matter that he’s had hits even here and in films like Paa or Black where as I said some years ago SRK to even have something at that level would need a hit around 2028! or at least 2023 or something.. which is the gap between Zanjeer and some of Bachchan’s successes this past decade) when without extraordinary relevance you cannot have a star do so much. But it is of course particularly dishonest on your part to make this sort of claim because every time people argue against SRK you pretend that people have been saying the same for 5 years or 10 years or whatever. By the same token I expect you to be saying the same things about Bachchan when SRK’s kid debuts in the movies! You too have presumably been saying this for very long. And of course there’s the SRK side of the equation. When it’s OSO or CE it proves SRK is doing fine, when there are seven years in between where every big film either fails or underperforms or even when it’s successful (RNBDJ) it’s nowhere close to the highest benchmarks of that period (Ghajini, then 3I) then suddenly all of it doesn’t matter and you’re back to your ‘hey he did 100 crores for a flop’ or whatever. As if he’d be getting an initial of 20 crores and the film would fold at 40! And again using this argument Bachchan had absolutely no problems through 1992. Because between 1988 and 1992 unlike SRK he had the biggest initial, no one was even close. Then even when the films didn’t work he was safely in the top 3 or 5 on the basis of those initials. A film like AAA was a super-hit and one of that years very big grossers, Hum had unimaginable hysteria in that period, I doubt any film, accounting for everything, has ever matched Hum’s initial since, but in any case that sort of claim could very easily be used for him in this period. Hum released when Bachchan was nearing 50. At that age Jumma Chumma did what Kajra re did all those years later. Then leaving aside longevity it’s also about intensity of box office success for the longest period. It’s not just about being around that long. Jeetendra hung around for 35 years. Rajesh Khanna was very relevant not even for half of that period. But history remembers Rajesh Khanna not Jeetendra! It’s about magnitude too. Of course Bachchan’s longevity is unsurpassed or unsurpassable but in terms of his magnitude I’ve put up pieces here by both Taran and Nahta (not necessarily Bachchan’s greatest fans) who said at different points in the past decade that no one could be compared to him, not the Khans combined, no one.
But again the point isn’t all this mountain of evidence, it’s about whether at the end of the day one operates with a level of delusion where one is trying to deny the sun and moon every day in one’s mind. There are many SRK fans I’ve encountered over the years who’ve been in this business! Much as a different kind of delusion makes you guys blind to SRK’s weaknesses and/or vulnerabilities in various ways. Of course you’re welcome to your delusions. Unfortunately what happens in these discussions is that the dishonesty shines through at every level. I’ve actually not even provided the above examples for you because you are quite beyond persuasion in these matters. I do so for other readers who without the benefit of more information but with less than your gifts of truth-denial might be interested in things. I’ll say this at the end and a quick example makes my point. Whatever evidence I bring up for Bachchan in say the years 1988-1992 this does not entail claiming that he was in this period exactly where he was say from 1982-1986 (when he left for politics for two years). I would find that absurd. Even the greatest star had an arc to his career. One can argue about a number of things but there is decline even for the greatest star. That Sachin has had this longevity is stunning. Doesn’t mean that he was playing at age 36 the way he was at age 28! Similarly with SRK the facts are there for all to see provided one is interested in the facts. I realize that is always improbably the case with most people on forums online!
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September 29, 2013 at 7:10 AM
means baniyagiri …
what is the definition of crap ….
khjjs a film on freedom fighter is supposed to be a crap and similar as commercial jthj…enough said
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September 29, 2013 at 7:30 AM
started with abhishek but touched on the biggest amitabh bachchan and relevancy lol even today when he makes satyagrah it is relevent…there can be an essay on his relevancy as because of him there is a market for actors even in 40’s and even at the age of 60’s and 70’s where no one else has been prolific
what is this absurdity of 25 yerars? last even till 2007 most of his commercial films where making money when he slowed down due to health..this sort of third grade absurdity to sell hasn’t had many takers and what is the fuss of family
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September 26, 2013 at 1:47 PM
“There’s a huge difference between crap of superstars and crap of everybody else”
Never knew Shit of Obama is different thn commoners and former has visitors and admirers and later none of it 😉
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September 29, 2013 at 6:59 AM
The discussion was around boxoffice, so crap like jhjjs will give you 4 crore and jthj will give you about 125 crore. Difference of 121 crore…
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September 25, 2013 at 6:59 PM
An increasing number of films are being released on other days of the week too, provided they fall on certain public holidays
Rakesh and Hrithik Roshan’s mega budget film Krrish 3 has a Friday slot open for it, but the father-son duo have decided to release it on a Monday (November 4) instead. Rakesh Roshan, producer and director of the superhero franchise, explains, “Friday, Saturday and Sunday before Diwali are definitely not good days to release a film as the collections are generally not up to the mark. It picks up after Diwali as the festivities continue, so we’ve decided to release our film on Monday.”
He isn’t the first producer to take such a decision. Traditionally, films in Bollywood release on a Friday (given the numbers the approaching weekend could rake in). Of late, however, quite a few films have been hitting theatres on other days of the week too, provided of course they coincide with a public holiday in India.
Salman Khan’s Bodyguard and Shah Rukh Khan’s RA.One released on a Wednesday, whereas Hrithik’s Agneepath released on a Thursday, followed by SRK’s Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Ajay Devgn’s Son Of Sardaar on a Tuesday. Next week, Ranbir Kapoor’s Besharam will hit theatres on October 2 (Wednesday), which falls on Gandhi Jayanti, a national holiday.
Says Utpal Acharya, country head – distribution and acquisitions, Reliance Entertainment, “With corporatisation, the film business is now dictated by the same commerce and economics that drive other organised sectors. Irrespective of whether it is a Friday, there are seven main days — Diwali, Eid, Christmas, Gandhi Jayanti, Independence Day, Republic Day and the first Friday post-IPL — much wanted for film releases.”
Needless to say, many of the movies mentioned above broke records at the box office including Ek Tha Tiger, which touched around 130 crores within a week, and RA.One, which garnered around 85 crores over the ‘five-day’ weekend.
However, there is a downside to this strategy also. To begin with, not all holidays are close to the weekend. So, if the response to a film is not up to the mark over the next few working days, the collections fall, and then even the weekend advantage is frittered away.
Case in point — Jab Tak Hai Jaan, which barely managed to cross 100 crore in lifetime collection. Similarly, collections of the Ajay Devgn — Sanjay Dutt starrer Rascals, which released on Dussehra (Thursday), fell on Friday and continued to dip over the weekend. “This strategy only helps a good film. A bad film will not work irrespective of the holidays,” says Roshan.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Are-Friday-jitters-a-thing-of-the-past/articleshow/23046775.cms?
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September 26, 2013 at 3:14 PM
Dil Tu Hi Bata, a romantic song from Krrish 3, featuring Hrithik Roshan and Kangana Ranaut was shot in Jordan.
The crew had to travel to different locations for hours. The actors even braved sandstorms in the desert. But it was flies, numbering in their thousands, that they faced the most trouble with. They’d spray themselves with insect repellent before every take, while shooting at the Dead Sea.
The crew often had to go without lunch as the swarming flies would make it impossible to eat anything. Hrithik, who couldn’t miss meals, however, worked his way around the problem by jogging around the set while eating his sandwich.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Krrish-3-Hrithik-Kanganas-romantic-song-shoot-in-Jordan/articleshow/23102400.cms?
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September 27, 2013 at 12:11 PM
After seeing the trailor, i thought that film will do min business of 250 crores (Long week end!). even trailer was a blockbuster in you tube cemented my feelings. but team krrish3 made a blunder by releasing the medio core songs….they should have kept the songs as a surprise element, so that it would have easily crossed CE business. Now, they need a new trailer which showcases the stunts / actions of a Indians most loved super hero…to eliminate the negativity due to songs.
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September 29, 2013 at 2:48 AM
you are overrating this movie, according to me all the trailors are pretty mediocore, be it krish 3 or dhoom 3 It has to be very good to cross 250 cr. business.
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September 27, 2013 at 12:32 PM
& I am not understanding Monday Logic. Rakesh Roshan is from old school, Listen to the music, u will understand. Hopefully he will be able to match his own legacy of KMG & Krrish in terms of entertainment and Action. & coming to the movie, i beleive the biggest audience for this movie are youths & kids. Nov 1, Friday is a holiday in South (Karnataka, Andhra), Nov 2nd is a deepavali Holiday + saturday, Sunday is Lakshmi puja (Krish think tank is trying to save this sunday!! as they feel lakshmi puja will not bring in family audience and it might dent the sunday business, so let us avoid this Sunday itself!! what a logic… ) as i said, since youth is the target audience, i dont understand what they do in lakshmi puja instead of enjoying their favourite super hero. If the film is good, these logics will not matter. If film is below Avg, then business will start crashing on Monday itself. So, if they release the film on Friday (Nov 1), even if the film is Avg, the weekend business itself will make sure the venture is break even for the makers (means it will do a min of 135 to 140 Cr business). I think, Sr Roshan is extremely confident about the product, even studio talk is good, hopefully it will cross the much needed 200 cr like CE (film with this kind of effort will need min of 200 cr to make every body associated with them happy)
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September 28, 2013 at 9:58 AM
I love the song! Rajesh Roshan is such a less-talked about, underrated composer whose music has always appealed in every generation he gets to cater to. And Hritik just keeps getting gorgeous with every subsequent film. Kangana looks pretty too, in what seems to be the best role for her in years.
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September 30, 2013 at 7:42 AM
Old school dated film to it..but it takes hritik to make it tolerable
.. But even HR showing signs of ageing/slowing down somewhat..
But some new steps and HR ok to salvage this track…
& maggie how did u find PC here lol
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September 30, 2013 at 8:36 AM
Hrithik has become too bulky to retain the same appeal on his dancing. He was much more lanky earlier and the dancing therefore looked more graceful. He of course still has the moves but he’s too buffed up at this point. The combo looks a bit much.
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September 30, 2013 at 8:58 AM
Agree there Satyam. After employing kris gethin for the ‘body’ and another chick (think its johanssen) for ‘diet’, the benefits are that the stuff gets done and after paying a fat cheque, the ‘milestones’ are met. But being a goal directed regimen, these changes are fast tracked to within 10 or 12 weeks or so, before the ‘expert’ mose onto other assignments (& clients!)
The body transition is far from natural (!) anyways but the anabolism /catabolism/bmr etc does get thrown off usually..
The other ‘conflict’ here is that on one hand, hritik needs to get the ‘buff’ superhero physique which he has done well to do in a short time BUT unlike Henry Cavill, Hritik is ALSO required to DANCE and also cavort/prance around with PC & kangs..
So the ‘buff bulk’ WITH the dancing does put some ‘conflict’
Ps: note how the BODY BALANCING of hritik isn’t what it used to be –this is usually the FIRST to get affected in fast steps..
Having said that, hritik is doing well to dance like that with all that bulk …but it’s not exactly like KNPH …
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September 30, 2013 at 9:14 AM
yes that’s true. he has to be the superhero but still retain his signature appeal (dancing et al) and there is a contradiction beyond a point. Obviously the dancing is still beyond question.
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September 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Yup Satyam–hritik is dancing as well as I’ve seen anyone anywhere with that bulk.. Imagine Henry Cavill having to prance around like that lol
If anybody interested —
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hrithik-roshan-rediscovers-athleticism-with-kris-gethin.html
This isn’t the ‘Salman khan manual’ aka androstenedione lol
Anyhow, this has again sort of motivated me –keep losing the ‘urge’ intermittently. thinkin of preparing to do a half marathon shortly .. 🙂
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September 30, 2013 at 12:15 PM
Krrish 3 is now releasing on Nov 1st . They have changed the release date. Now really sky is the limit for this movie!!
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September 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM
It was just a matter of time before father and son would buckle to the mad rat-race of hogging up ‘100 crores’ in the fastest time. Usain Bolt must be ruing that he is not in Hi-fi..
All that talk of ‘confidence’ in the script and the movie..whatever happened to that? A shining example of how art has TRULY become secondary in Hi-fi..
To hell with art; if fart is the order of the day, so be it..
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September 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Awesome news. We’re not talking about 10 crore budget movie, this is a huge movie with huge budget so maker has to do everything they can to recover investment.
here goes my prediction:
Nov 1st = 30 to 35 crore
Nov 2nd = 32 to 37 crore
Nov 3rd = 33 to 37 crore
I assume they’ll have a huge paid-preview on Oct 31st?
Just a thought, imagine if India didn’t have so many different language and different film industry based on region. Imagine if it was all one like USA. You could have a movie release on how many screen? You can potentiall do like 50 crore in a day easily for a big liked movie.
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September 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM
** We’re not talking about 10 crore budget movie, this is a huge movie with huge budget so maker has to do everything they can to recover investment.**
Ya I was talking for THIS movie itself..the Krishhit 3 one. So I know very well the ROI * 3x thanks very much.
Why then did both of them issue sound-bytes saying they ‘believed’ in content and trending and hence losing out on a week-end was not such a big deal? Be honest and say that ‘money’ matters first and rest is secondary. All that uber-patriotic talk of VFX in Swades’ Red Chillies is hog-wash. Today in Hi-fi — maybe elsewhere too but definitely the virus is more wide-spread in Hi-fi — all that matters is an entry into those disgusting cro(who)re clubs.
So all the ‘Laxmi-puja’ theory that everybody was espousing for so many years including these 2 guys is a sham?
And I am not actually trying to ‘blame’ them on an individual level. But this is a fine example of what happens when the MAJOR/SOLE metric of any industry becomes monetary. Third rate practices of increasing ticket prices, cutting out competition, ‘hogging’ all the screens kicking out regional cinema (I truly wished MNS had further twisted SRK’s and Shetty’s ba!@s when they tried their best to cut the shows of the super-hit Marathi film DUNIYADARI in Bombay and Pune).
Sooner or later, Tigmanshu or Motwane or all these avant-garde film-makers might also fall under ‘peer-pressure’ and start resorting to these things. I truly hope these guys retain their artistic sanity and I am proved wrong..
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September 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM
relax, they just moved up the release date by couple days.
Actually, I thought it was very dumb of them to even suggest the release date they had suggested initially.
All the other stuff you’ve listed didn’t start just now (in perticular with CE release or any SRK release), it’s been like that for ages. What did Duniyadari make after the release of CE since Duniyadari retained most if not all of it’s screen?
Why didn’t MNS boycott CE? (most likely, MNS pocketed some money out of it)?
Why didn’t theatre owners not show CE and show duniyadari only? (they want to make money too, they’re not running non-profit org)
Why didn’t all Marathi people boycott CE and watch Duniyadari only?
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September 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Sunday wont be as huge as Z is saying. The Laxmi Pooja thingy will surely have an effect But it being a Sunday it can get balanced to a point. So Sunday can be as good as Saturday or maybe just slightly less.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM
I think these box office discussions have become so crazy that forget the total gross everyone’s obsessed with what a film will do the first day, second day, third day etc! Krrish will have a massive opening one way or the other. Whether it gets the biggest first day, second day, third day or not it will make up for any such deficit if the film is liked. This is not a case where a smaller film or a film not expected to open too big cannot quite make up the gap. At the stratospheric level at which Krrish will open or put differently once a certain initial threshold is reached the rest if about trending. Does it matter whether 3I was the absolute strongest on day 1? No! Because it still did 200. At the level at which Krrish opens it’s not going to be behind other big openers by much even assuming this is so and I am not convinced this is the case. But again to get to the larger point it’s not even about gross now, not even about week 1, not even about the first weekend but day 1! What next? How big is a film opening in the morning shows?! Not going after you incidentally, just making a larger point. All discussions about a film are simply about this stuff and more and more intensely focused on this stuff. This is because for many people here are all kinds of agendas. They’re anxious because they’re not sure how well a film will do starring their favorite or relative to one starring their favorite. Then there is another group (sometimes there’s overlap too) where any discussion of consequence on a film’s quality (or lack thereof) is settled at the box office. So whether it’s about stars or actors of films everything becomes a balance-sheet where you needly add up the figures and you arrive mechanically at the truth about movies or stars. My point here isn’t just that this is unhealthy taken to such absurd extremes but that it does not even reflect the truth on any industry!
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September 30, 2013 at 4:29 PM
Thanks Satyam for saving my time and saying whatever I wanted to say..obviously better.
There seems to be simply no end to this disgusting trend of twit-orgasming of trade-p(or)undits writing down 1st day, 1.5 day, 2.45 days’ collections! And look how people are falling prey! Z is happy that the release is pre-poned. Huh? Even the audience is falling prey to such baser metrics! With such unhealthy atmosphere, the gap between BO and quality is simply getting wider..and there will be a day when the twain will be divorced bitterly!
What kind of a logic is this WHY, WHY, WHY questioning on issues? My whole point is HOW everybody -actors/producers/distributors — is falling prey to this disease. Not the mechanics of when and what!! Which are inconsequential and taking the discussion to an all-together different terrain. My point is that SRK and RS decided that they need to scuttle a regional film — that too one that was doing very well at BO — for more screens for their film. The ORIGIN of this thought itself is repellent. What followed, who did what, is immaterial to the bigger point.
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The party’s film unit claimed the SRK-starrer was demanding single cinemas across the state at the expense of Duniyadari that is still drawing in the audience and raking big moolah. Their consternation being that at the cost of a successfully running Marathi film, theatres cannot be coerced to screen the Hindi film.
http://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/2013/aug/020813-chennai-express-forced-to-change-tracks.htm
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October 1, 2013 at 8:05 AM
“Z is happy that the release is pre-poned.”
Why should I be sad about it? It’s releasing on Friday which is the norm.
Rest of your feedback is very typical, goes around in circle without addressing anything.
you think questioning “WHY” is not logical but I think it needs to be answered because then that’ll make you think about the other side of the story.
I know answering these “EHY” will not help your causes of bringing SRK down so you want to avoid answering them.
Don’t blame just the actor/producer/director.
The MNS, Theatre owner are more to be blamed because they’ll do anything for publicity and money.
My teacher used to say, don’t blame the Halwai for your diabetes problem.
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October 1, 2013 at 11:33 AM
“Z is happy that the release is pre-poned.”
Why should I be sad about it? It’s releasing on Friday which is the norm.
Nobody asked you to be sad about it. But what is there to be happy about it? How does it matter when the film releases and how much it makes in the first half hour or 8 hours or 70 hours? As an AUDIENCE, how is it important to YOU? Shouldn’t your
pre-rogative be whether the film works for you and whether the film is qualitative enough? Why do you have to break-down the days’ perceived collections? Ideally, it should make a difference to the trade guys – not you, the public! THIS is what I meant by everybody falling prey to this malaise of cr(wh)ore clubs.
When you talk of MNS, film-owners/distributors, do you have ANY proof that they are hand-in glove with SRK/Shetty? You first need to get the answers to the WHY yourself. Read the link I posted first – AFTER CE team agreed that they would not yank away Marathi film from single screens, MNS and the DUNIYADARI team agreed to let them screen CE. And your howlarious logic of asking what were MNS’ interests, theater owners’ interests is akin to the logic made idiotically famous by Yediyurappa on corruption: ‘ Many people before me were corrupt and they were let off. Why hold me in contempt if I am proved corrupt?!!” Yeah right. Why did Lal Bahadur Shashtri resign after a train accident when he was not the engineer or the signaller? Go figure.
It doesn’t matter what MNS or the theater-owner do. It matters how SRK/Shetty tried to or even thought of usurping those halls.
I think the ‘numbers’ disease has affected people so much that when somebody talks of quality and trending, it is equivalent to going around in circles.
Anyway, if even after saying so much, you still do not get the meat of my argument, it is better I let it go without wasting space here. You be happy with your numbers, I will be with my quality circles..
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September 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM
Ok just checked the song again properly
This DATED, CLICHED look & big monster budget film has only ONE saviour , ONE highlight, ONE USP
a downbeat, fatigued, troubled @ home
Hritik Roshan !!!
Don’t blame the dad son combo to try n maximise the bucks b4 the words out –they should do all they an to prevent ra1 part deux…
As for this cheesy track….
Make no mistake
There’s NO comparison with HR in this sort of stuff
He struggles from 0.50 to 1.00 with the bulk n balance and literally scrapes thru
But oh man –see the comeback in 1.10-1.25 …
Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram
Non stop party,
aaj ki party
celebrations tere naam..
This ones for maggie 😉
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October 1, 2013 at 6:19 AM
Basically inspite of the cheesy setup, I enjoyed the track and hritik makes it worth it….
It’s more than just good buff looks & dance moves…
Hritiks a star ….
And this fitness link is sort of motivating
https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/krrish-3-trailer/#comment-229660
Let’s start with a workout..lol
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October 9, 2013 at 1:23 PM
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I really wish them luck with this one.
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October 9, 2013 at 3:43 PM
Man this latest trailer is sick! Even by the standards of this franchise don’t know what they’re doing with all these song trailers. They’re terrible.
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October 9, 2013 at 4:02 PM
They do have a good release date, nothing a week before and nothing for 2 weeks after is releasing. They do have a clear road to make it a blockbuster. It will hit some big numbers and not because of the content but because there will be no other options avail for audience.
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October 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM
No I still expect it to do extremely well. But these song trailers are pretty pathetic, all for different reasons. The Hrithik father character has always been too much! People who consider hrithik an actor of any sort should just look at how we plays the father in these moments!
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October 9, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Yeah Agreed, I really didn’t expect Roshan Sr to come up with such stale stuff. Also, going by the posters mostly I think he is trying everything in the Books (from Hollywood superhero movies and desi melodrama stuff ) and mixing everything up.
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October 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM
I am not so sure anymore. Yes it has a 2 week run and all but this movie can quickly turn into a parody of sorts what with Antman and Rhinowoman running amuk. It will open well surely but unless the movie strikes a chord, this will not go anywhere..Also I get the feeling that RR has packed too many things here, the father – son angle will warrant some melodrama, there is a heroine and songs, some mutants which will warrant a back story and a villian who is supposed to be a having a big role. Not sure how he is going to fit all this in the narrative. Something seems totally off here….
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October 10, 2013 at 12:17 AM
God, Allah aur Bhagwan
Krissh ko bachaane ayega kaun?
I hope RR did not lose it after the Kites debacle. At least Ra.One had decent music. RajeshR has taken us back to the 80s.
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October 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM
And the son Hrithik is also looking strange…he has just beefed himself too much. The best he has looked is in Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara, thanks to Akhtar’s casual yet stylish fashion sense.
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October 10, 2013 at 9:45 AM
agreed.. in recent times that was easily the best.
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October 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM
I had to stop after about five seconds in. This is embarrassingly bad.
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October 9, 2013 at 10:19 PM
Rakesh…Rajesh aur Hrithik ne banaya ye bekar song.
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October 10, 2013 at 1:25 AM
It’s just a silly, poor song with a man dancing around his own statue and comparing himself to God! But hey it’s probably still better than those Ra 1 moments where the superhero was constantly grabbing other people’s genitals.
If these are the hallmarks of our desi superheroes, then i’ll probably stick with the Hollywood versions. Will surely get much better quality for the same price.
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October 10, 2013 at 3:12 AM
Once upon a time we had real Desi Super Heroes
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October 10, 2013 at 3:12 AM
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October 10, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Ha! That’s quite a poster!
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October 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM
WOWWWW lol
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October 10, 2013 at 10:22 AM
Wohi to hum boley hain: Asli mard kabhi kacha, lumba gumcha aur mukhota nahi pehenta.
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October 10, 2013 at 6:25 AM
“real embarrassment coming soon in theaters next to you” should be the line in the posters…and what is scary is the fact that Roshans would say “the future of indian filmmaking” is this..and even scarier is how they are going to go around in the international media and publicize this. I am seriously scared. RGV! atleast your embarrassments were limited to the Indian media. Thank God for that
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October 10, 2013 at 7:37 AM
God, Allah, aur Bhagwan:
God? Really?? Shouldn’t it be Christ?
You have to give credit to the actual source – so what even if it is recycled!!
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October 10, 2013 at 9:35 AM
Christ is Engliah. They could say, yesu (as in Yesudas) or Isa (derivative of jesu).
But since Allah means God, and so does Bhagwan, they could say ‘khuda’ or ishwar as I’ve heard many times in hindi religious isai songs.
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October 10, 2013 at 8:01 AM
Yakuza tum great ho. Big b greatest hain. Ab bachhon ki jaan loge kya.thoda doosron ko bhi kama kha lene do.
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October 10, 2013 at 8:27 AM
Ok -no 2 ways bout it–this is cheesy even by Rakesh Roshan standards–something’s wrong even with hritik (@ home)
This may well be onto a fate similar to bra1—
though hritik may still salvage it
But we may have a BRA-2 here
Bigger more cheesier 🙂
As for Hritiks ‘father role’–Satyam — apparently the dad has some variant of ‘autism’ & he hasn’t ‘grown fully’ –so he’s not ‘normal’ dad
Lol @ Priyanka as a homely Saree clad good girl 🙂
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October 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM
LOL, autism doesn’t mean anything goes!
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October 11, 2013 at 12:45 PM
According to latest rumors Priyanka has a double role or two shades where the second avatar goes bad/negative.
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October 11, 2013 at 1:29 PM
“God, Allah, aur Bhagwan:
God? Really?? Shouldn’t it be Christ?”
No. Christ is God’s son..he is divine, but human too. He dies, though he gets resurrected too. God does not die . Neither does Allah. Or Bhagwan. Christ is equivalent of Muhammad, both are messengers of God. except that Muslim consider Muhammad to be the finest human being, yes, but God, no.
God, Allah , Bhagwan is absolutely right.
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October 11, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Glad they got something right in that soundtrack 🙂
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October 11, 2013 at 1:55 PM
What’s definition of Bhagwan as per scriptures ???
What about Bhagwan Ram, Krisna ???
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October 11, 2013 at 2:34 PM
My take was just a humorous one with regard to the cheesiness of the song and this whole juvenile franchise — not to be taken literally and span discussions!! I must suck at comedy then..
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October 11, 2013 at 10:27 PM
“What’s definition of Bhagwan as per scriptures ???
What about Bhagwan Ram, Krisna ??”
What about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh?
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October 12, 2013 at 4:07 AM
This is your statement :
“God does not die . Neither does Allah. Or Bhagwan. ”
And I gave 2 examples of Ram and Krisna who died 🙂
By giving Rajneesh example you are proving my point and thats why I asked, What’s definition ???
You said its absolutely right not us 😉
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October 11, 2013 at 10:28 PM
“God, Allah, aur Bhagwan:
God? Really?? Shouldn’t it be Christ?”
This is supposed to be funny? Sorry, I missed the humour.
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October 12, 2013 at 4:19 AM
Bliss: Isn’t my definition clear? Bhagwan is not born, and does not die. Ram and Krishan are human beings. Of course you can acll them Bhagwan. Like you can call Rajnessh Bhagwan. They say Bhagwan Satya Sai Baba. Heck, you can even call Bhagwan Dada Bhagwan.
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October 12, 2013 at 7:04 AM
Nope !!!
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October 12, 2013 at 7:25 AM
>Christ is equivalent of Muhammad,
Not to the Christians. Christ is believed to be the ‘avatar’ of God in the form of his son, just as Ram and Krishan are avatars of Vishnu.
Muhammad was a prophet (even muslims say that), so your point isn’t valid.
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October 12, 2013 at 8:11 AM
OLdgold: Christ has elements of divine and human. He is the son of God. He is not God to whom we pray, Our Lord who art in heaven. Same with Rama and Krishna. They have elements of divinity. But they were born on this earth as human beings. In Hinduism we all contain elements of divinity.. atma is part of the paramatma , separated from it temporarily. That’s why no Hindu thinks it sacrilegious or blasphemous whe Sai Baba, Rajneesh or Ashram or XYZ calls himself Bhagwan. Christ might be divine, but Christ and God are not synonymous in Christianity. Ram and Krishna too are not synonymous with Bhagwan in Hinduism. Ram and Krishna are avatars. So are Vamana, Parsuram, Varaha the great boar, and The Fish. When one says Bhagwan one acnnot mean all of them. To some Buddha is an avatar. To others Sai Baba is an avatar. Ramkkrishna swa only Kalii as Bhagwan. You will not get anywhere goiing that path. You asre free to imagine God in any shape. But that shape is NOT Bhgwan.
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October 12, 2013 at 8:31 AM
My point was about calling Mohammad and Christ – prophet.
I agree with most of what you’ve written, but I don’t think Saibaba and Rajneesh are considered avatars.
>So are Vamana, Parsuram, Varaha the great boar, and The Fish.
There are temples for their worship.
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October 12, 2013 at 8:39 AM
Oldgold: There are temples for worship of SaiBaba. In Bangalore alone there are two huge temples , Sai Mandirs, that I know of. Of course there is the major difference between the two prophets , Muhammad and Christ. Christians attribute divinity to Jesus, while Muslims consider Muhammad to be a great human being, but not divine. But that said, even to Christians, God and Christ are not synonymous. There is God and their is Christ, God’s son, born on this earth. Two different entities.
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October 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Utkal, just FYI, for traditional Christianity, God the Father and God the Son, are equal parts of the Holy Trinity. There is no distinction or hierarchy among them.
What you describe here- Christ being somehow subordinate to God the Father was the original Arian heresy which triggered the original Ecumenical councils and led to the development of the Nicene creed. This is essentially opposite to mainstream Christian belief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
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October 15, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Chipguy: “for traditional Christianity, God the Father and God the Son, are equal parts of the Holy Trinity. There is no distinction or hierarchy among them.” Says who? Yoiu ahve givena link for the counter view, but none for the view you say is the original view. The holy trinity are all divine..but not equal. If they are equal, you should be able to replace God with the Holy Ghost as well!
I still maintain, even in traditional Christian theology, Christ is divine as well as human. He is the son of God.. and not God. The Son can not obviously be synonymous with the Father.
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October 15, 2013 at 9:36 AM
I think the more relevant link here is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
Also check out here Binitarianism.
I’d in a sense disagree with both you and CG. There is no ‘traditional Christianity’. Both of you are essentially referring to the Council of Nicaea (325) and the ‘canonical’ decisions taken here regarding the nature of Christ and so forth. But this isn’t ‘traditional’ Christianity. It is Christianity as defined ‘canonically’ by an orthodoxy. The Arian ‘heresy’ for instance is one only judging by the standards of this orthodoxy. Much as the fixing of the Biblical canon is the work of other orthodoxies. The apocryphal literature here is huge. The question as always is: ‘who’ decides what is authoritative or not? There is a great deal of research that suggests all kinds of Christian beliefs (which is to say those that post-dated Jesus.. Nietzsche famously said that Jesus wasn’t a Christian!) in those early centuries that do not at all tally with the decisions taken at Nicaea. There are other very complicated questions here as well relating to every aspect of Christian belief in the age before such a canonization occurred. As with any faith or belief system this is always the tricky bit. One tends to term that as ‘origin’ which has been defined as such (or invented as such) by a later orthodoxy. So to accent what I said initially a bit differently there is ‘traditional Christianity’ but this only means some of the decisions taken at Nicaea and some later Lateran councils. It’s not ‘traditional’ if one believes no other kind of Christian belief ever existed or that Nicaea even represented the majority view of all earlier ages. CG is certainly correct in saying this is ‘mainstream’ belief. But all such beliefs have a history.
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October 15, 2013 at 10:09 AM
I have a friend who’s Armenian. They are the oldest christians and speak a language which Christ spoke I believe. I’ll ask her what the belief is. That should be the ‘original’. Though of course they are called ‘orthodox’ christians (almost like the Syrian christians in the Sourh in India). Would be interesting to know.
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October 15, 2013 at 10:36 AM
the Armenian Church is one of the oldest ones but it too has had a history. I wouldn’t really assume there’s anything ‘original’ here. Of course there isn’t ‘one’ original belief in this context. Such an origin assuming it ever existed is simply not accessible to history. Scholars are not even clear about the kind of historical figure Jesus was.
Jesus spoke Aramaic in all probability. But the New Testament was originally written in Greek. And so right there we have a question of translation and in effect after the fact. The Gospels come several years after Jesus, sometimes later than this. It isn’t even clear whether the Gospels were written by those whose names are attached to them.
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October 15, 2013 at 11:01 AM
You are probably right. The problem here is that the religion didn’t develop in the land of it’s origin and so any history or additional material is unavailable. One would have to search for clues there.
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October 15, 2013 at 11:21 AM
well it did develop in the land of its origin. The Middle east was once ‘Christian’ in large part, this was of course before Islam took over. But even where religions retain a continuous link with their ancient birth-places the history is not less murky. For instance Islam came about in the present day region of Saudi Arabia. Both the Wahabi kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Shiite orthodoxy of Iran believe that they are following the truer Islam! Meanwhile most of the Mideast isn’t even Wahabi!. This doctrine itself is only as old as the 19th century. It is the classic move of every orthodoxy to tie itself to any notion of origin and present everything else as a heresy!
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October 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM
The Armenian Church is one of the Oriental Orthodox Churches that include the Coptic (Egyptian), Ethiopian and Syrian (including the Indian offshoot) churches. All of these have very old histories, but it’s almost impossible to name any one as the oldest. The Syrian church uses Syriac in its liturgy, which is supposed to be very similar to Aramaic.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:36 PM
yes Syriac is a version of Aramaic.
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October 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM
OT- I have a Syrian Christian friend. They support Assad because they believe he protects minorities.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM
I’d say it’s more of a fear about what comes next. The Coptic Church has had a really hard time under Morsi and the Brotherhood and there’s the sense that this would the future in Syria as well under a rebel government. Also, a couple of bishops have been kidnapped, reportedly by rebels, and haven’t been heard of since. All of this adds up to a very real fear of chaos, as opposed to strong support for Assad.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM
yeah it’s been horrible for the Copts since Mubarak left.
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October 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM
In most Islamic countries it is pretty hard being a Christian minority if not indeed a horrible circumstance.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:37 PM
in many of these countries the dictators are scary and the ones who follow are scarier!
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October 15, 2013 at 1:52 PM
I also have such an Armenian Christian friend(!!)
Hope it’s not the same person ? 😉
Say my hello to her …
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October 15, 2013 at 12:03 PM
Satyam, – absolutely right. All such beliefs have a history. The only reason I mention Nicea, was that really this was the first time the belief is really codified. There are of course subsequent variations of the Creed, but the underlying structure is quite the same across Orthodoxy, Catholicism and the mainstream Protestant denominations.
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October 15, 2013 at 9:40 AM
“If they are equal, you should be able to replace God with the Holy Ghost as well!”
not really. This is a weak understanding of the Trinity. This isn’t CG’s phrasing if you read it carefully. But your earlier point to OG contains a great deal of truth. Again a complicated debate.
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October 15, 2013 at 10:22 AM
Maybe this discussion will be revisited at some point in Krrish 3
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October 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM
Ha!
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October 15, 2013 at 10:38 AM
LOL, with that new trailer starting with ‘Krrish ek soch hai’ I am entirely expecting a metaphysical excursion!
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October 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM
*The Son can not obviously be synonymous with the Father.*
For a moment there, I believed you were talking of Abhishek and Amitabh..
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October 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM
“If they are equal, you should be able to replace God with the Holy Ghost as well!” Any system that allows the equivalence of the holy trinity , allows for the Holy spirit to be God. If you study the triangle it shows that Father is God, Son is God, Spirit is God. and Father is not Son or Spirit. Son is not Father or Spirit. Spirit is not Father or Son. In any system where you can call the Son as God, you can call the Holy Spirit as God too. The triangle makes it mathematically clear.
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October 15, 2013 at 10:14 AM
DIAGRAM
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October 15, 2013 at 10:37 AM
Man that looks like Trinity 101! More seriously it’s a far more complex notion than that traditional figure would have one believe. Some of this is covered here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
But on the question of ‘homoiosis’ and ‘hypostasis’ and so on lots of other philosophical questions, especially those related to Greek thought, are implicated. Can’t get into all of this here but it’s not the simple mathematical equality you think it is. In other words they actually cannot be replaced with one another.
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October 15, 2013 at 10:50 AM
“In other words they actually cannot be replaced with one another.” that is precisely what is represented in the triangle: Father is not Son or Spirit. Son is not Father or Spirit. Spirit is not Father or Son. They are separate entities. But each is independently God. Complex, yes, but that is what this school of thought believes.
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October 15, 2013 at 11:18 AM
Check out the ‘consubstantial’ hyperlink in that Trinity wikipedia link. I don’t wish to go in circles here but the question of the Trinity has kept theologians busy for ages. It’s not quite the simplistic deal you make it out to be! Notice how the word ‘co-equal’ is used in this regard and not ‘equal’. In addition also note how the word ‘trinity’ itself and hence all the mathematical connotations here really date back to Tertullian. Moreover the Shield of the Trinity figure is no older than the 13th century. Once again this is why it is important to be very careful and cautious when proceeding with these histories. One cannot assume that existing modes of belief are ‘original’. The Trinity is termed a ‘mystery’ precisely because it cannot be reduced to an easy mathematical equation!
Finally, your current formulation is very different from your earlier one. Many theologians would have no problem with the former but would not at all agree it implies the latter.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Yes, quite. The only clarification I’d made in reference to your earlier comment was that no part of the Holy Trinity was superior or above the other one- there is no hierarchy there.
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October 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Who is that masked man? *thats a rhetorical question btw 🙂 *
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October 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM
It’s either God, Allah or Bhagwan. Tough call.
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October 15, 2013 at 1:35 PM
“Krish ek soch hain” seems heavily lifted from Sarkaar where Pramod Mootho’s character was saying “Sarkaar ek soch hain”.
The characters seem lifted, so do the posters. Now the main lines seem to be lifted as well.
I was watching Kites the other night and I thought what the hell the Roshans were smoking. They were trying to make a Hollywood movie and they shamelessly borrowed the movie’s main theme from the Lord of the Rings track ‘Eniron’. Even C Grade Hollywood ventures don’t do that.
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October 15, 2013 at 1:37 PM
thanks.. I was wondering where I’d heard that before!
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October 15, 2013 at 1:49 PM
Actually there’s noting ‘purely original’ actually
Even a so-called ‘original’ script or tune maybe vulgarly influenced by a thought process or rather a ‘soch’ (sic!!)
Again, note now these things are also pointed out only when convenient.
Unsure of this LOTR connection, (plz provide links for out education thanx)
Even Hritiks debut song had strains from lucky Ali’s pop albums and many such instances. But again, ‘shameless’ is too strong a word to use
It’s like trying to impose shariyaa law in a party in Ibiza !!
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October 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Satyam -plz delete the above post that had inadvertent repetitions (though unsure of even this one-can never say about ‘smart’ phones !)
‘Pure’ religion
The word ‘pure religion’ is a tricky one and an oxymoron of sorts!
In different contexts (& intentions!) it can be used as
‘ancient’,
‘unspoilt’, or even
‘backward’, or
‘persecuted’ or
‘Reactionary’
Or even more rabid /zealot
Also history books are usually the preserve and property (!) of the victors in wars and conflicts and subject to alteration and manipulation (I’m resisting the word ‘spin’ due to obvious reasons here lol)
How many books mentioned the genocide against Armenian Christians for eg?
Or the fact that Syrian or Egyptian Christians had to flee and are a persecuted lot –is it why the ‘religion’ is more of a ‘comfort’ mechanism or a clinging on to ones identity? Maybe…
Chroniologically, the Greek, Armenian Christianity was established quite early on-but again, when ones talking about centuries nobody knows for sure…
As for who is ‘son ‘ or ‘father’ amongst Christianity and Islam, it’s immaterial beyond a point as well. esp in the latter, in some cases, if there’s a term which can denote ‘above divine’ that’s perhaps the place given to their God. So it all depends on the ‘interpretation’ and how much religion ‘permeates’ into ones life and societal ethic-slowly becoming an all pervading monster rather than a guiding force.
So it’s also about ‘intensity’ though ‘flavour’ is important!
Iranian Islam has a different flavour from Malaysian
Just as Christianity in threatened Egypt, Syria is different from Bush’s America !!
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October 15, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Ha multiple repetitions-that’s what u get when u type n cut copy paste on the phone 🙂
To add–
“no part of the Holy Trinity was superior or above the other one- there is no hierarchy there.”
Hierarchies are created –they were never meant to be there (in the ‘pure’ form anyways)
But real society wasn’t meant to be ‘pure’ anyways
None of us are priests of the Vatican playing with the innocent nuns
🙂
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October 15, 2013 at 2:29 PM
apex- here is a video containing some background music of Kites.
I just looked randomely on youtube. The 1st minute of this video contains the main track of the movie. If you watch the movie, this track is the main theme and it’s there throughout and especially in the most ‘poignant’ moments of the film.
Now compare it to Aniron of Lord of the Rings (especially from the 40 seconds mark where Enya’s vocals start):
Look, if the Roshans were making an out an out Bollywood movie, I wouldn’t have even pointed it out. But they were making an ambitious project targeting a worldwide audience and they even had a Hollywood cut by Brett Ratner for the audience there. And they blatantly lift the theme of one of the most recent blockbuster there! Who were they trying to fool?
I was watching the film and my first thought was “what the hell.. I heard that in Lord of the Rings.”
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October 15, 2013 at 4:40 PM
“Who were they trying to fool?”
After seeing the final cut they probably figured not enough people would watch for it to matter!
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October 15, 2013 at 4:51 PM
The senior (‘senior’ in a harmless sense; he was NEVER a senior or a serious guy in anything he did or touched) Roshan and the junior one are one of the biggest hoaxes in Hi-fi along with the recent hoax discovery of SRK’s ‘poverty ennobling’ speeches which would put to shame even the actual hoax of Clifford Irving. KITES was a pathetic attempt at projecting Hrithik as someone who would fit the ‘mould’ of a Hollywood rom-com/action hero – a la Helmsworth or even Chris Pine. Hell, he could even replace Jim Caviziel in a prequel or sequel to THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST (hey check me out in a beard! Ain’t I the mirror image of Christ’s pics that are sold on the bylanes of Churchgate??). It was an impossibly stupid and over-ambitious ‘advertisement’ for Hrithik Roshan – the supposed embodiment (according to the Indian press) of De Niro’s explosive talent and Pine’s sexual male- gaze. Hence the hilarious story of one minority community guy (Indian) in the business of providing ‘green-card/citizenship’ to another one (Mexican)! Yeah right. I am still searching for that Mexican woman here in DC that could marry me and get me the coveted card; coz this happens in such abundant majority!! The finale of Hrithik’s character spraying bullets on a rainy night dotted with a musical background is a direct lift from ROAD TO PERDITION.
Rakesh Roshan was so deluded that on a show he mentioned that he FIRMLY believed that KMG was an apt contender to be sent to the Oscars that year for – hold your breath – technical wizardry!! Till that time, I only considered Rakesh Roshan to be bald above his head..this breathtaking statement totally changed my perception. In a recent press conference for KRISHITT 3, Hrithik ‘proudly’ mentioned that his patriotic Dad was right from the word go adamant that all the VFX would be done in India. And then there were wolf-whistles from the ‘intelligent’ English-speaking Indian press and the Roshans could be seen basking in this ‘patriotic’ tsunami of applause.
For all I write, I might be simply wasting my time because the media-manipulated star-struck desi audience might still make KRISSH 3 a block-buster even if it has inferior aspects of film-making. And this will further delude the Roshans into thinking they are somehow at par with Hollywood in terms of the craft of film-making, especially in a technological sense. They will then extend the length — forcing the makers of SPECIES to stare in wonder!)– of Vivek Oberoi’s ugly tongue in KRISHH 4 and Rakesh will firmly believe that Hi-fi has stepped onto a newer technological era..
Meanwhile Hollywood has released Gravity..
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October 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Hey there were SRK fans comparing Ra.One to Avatar, so it does not surprise if Roshan thought he was at least at the LOTR or IronMan level.
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October 15, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Notice board
” I am still searching for that Mexican woman here in DC that could marry me and get me the coveted card;”
All the best to annjo…
On a related note, be wary of Mexican girls (even if u find one)
‘Trickster’ is an under stament for them(not talking from personal experience though..)
Ps: don’t want u to have the classical
‘Saif in Goa in dil chahta hai with the Swiss gal’ plight
Jus kidding 🙂
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October 15, 2013 at 5:14 PM
@ ‘Rahul’-Who were they trying to fool?”– it seems everyone (except u! Or is it the other way around lol)?
and they managed to get away with it bcos nobody seemed to notice(or care!)
haven’t seen your clips though…
The point is that u don’t read an indexed scientific journal to read the ingredients /steps of a DIY job or to fix a minor problem in your car
u do need ‘plumbers’ though where u need to fix drains (& yeah they don’t need to look like Daniel Craig either but if they do, it really doesn’t do anything extra)
The bottomline is that u don’t really critique a Rakesh Roshan or a yash chopra or kjo film (for different reasons) the same way as u would do a mani ratnam or even an rgv film…
There’s nothing stooping u from doing so however but it’s neither relevant, nor worthwhile –either to the target audience, or to the critical acclaim (or lack of it) or for the box office !
Btw ‘Rahul’ –are u a raj/Rahul loving srk fan-boy/girl –do tell us about your tastes (in films)…
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October 15, 2013 at 5:26 PM
The kmg/krish objection/ angst doesn’t hold for kites since the latter was a critical and commercial dud and had received the fate that many here thought it should!
So the ‘justice’ that was denied in knph, krish etc thankfully (for many) ‘prevailed’ in kites–so what’s the problem ?
Yeah the problem is that HRs dad is after all majorly ‘old school’ interms of film making but knows the basics of storytelling and tastes f indian audiences. To avail of the latter advantages, HR has to trade off the embarrassing cheesiness
But given his box office track record (till now), his dad is still doing very well–infact his box office record is amongst the best (& we are talkng high(est) end in terms of numbers
On can’t even think of talkng about ‘gravity’ here–forget the budget available, skills of makers, even indian audiences (to tell the truth) aren’t mature enough to be risked in such big stakes stuff (though they are improving lately)
Finally, one should apply ‘brains’ only when /where needed.
For such ‘harmless stuff’ like kites etc, over analysis isn’t good.
Do sit back and check out this nice track though…
HR with Barbara’s Mori –by anecdotal (confirmed) info, he really got ‘carried away’ on these sets
Ps: maggie–u were asking a ‘rhetorical question’ –who is the man behind the mask?
Difficult to answer –check out the above video though … 🙂
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October 15, 2013 at 5:50 PM
This is really an incoherently tangential reply – not having to do ANYTHING at all with what I mentioned. The point is NOT whether a film has flopped or worked – the point is the ‘delusion’ and the ‘grand-standing’ statements and the bubble within which these fake guys operate.
According to your ‘logic’, justice has been meted out since KITES flopped? Huh? So the audience became intelligent overnight? And so if KAHAANI is a success, suddenly there is ‘justice’ meted out to all those film-makers who consider screenplay and writing heroes rather than actors?
And if ‘brain’ need not be applied to any of Roshans’ enterprise, what is the need to boast of technology? After all, if the audience is brain-dead, why work day and night on VFX to ‘match’ the West? Anything goes right? Just have some VFX for name-sake..
There are many loop-holes in your argument, just as there are crater-sized plot and tech-holes in the K series of Roshan’s films..
Finally, as is the last resort (like that of an African-American guy crying ‘racism’ as soon as he is pulled over and caught with a cache of drugs), there is the numbers argument. Hey, the public spent money..so it worked. The film is a block-buster. Why have ‘angsty’ discussions??
Funny how facts that are inconvenient are termed angsty..
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October 15, 2013 at 6:09 PM
“– the point is the ‘delusion’ and the ‘grand-standing’ statements and the bubble within which these fake guys operate.”
The guys are not ‘fake’
These are ‘compulsions’ before any big release wherein big money is @ stake
Yeah RR being really outdated isn’t adept enough to realise some of his statements are off-the-mark but pre-release ANY film maker does try to spruce up his product in the market
There’s no ethic at that stage
Only one rule–get your money back earliest
And of the product is weak, (as was in kites) this compulsion is even more urgent and desperate since then they have only e first weekend
Sometimes these attempts succeed–mostly they fail
And roshans aren’t exactly the only ones to indulge in this talk .
All this is too obvious actually
Ps: the vfx of even ra1 & even krish3 may not be avataar standard but compared to the budget spent, there are not bad…
And it’s atleast a start to do it yourselves rather than gettin it filmed in foreign labs
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October 16, 2013 at 5:39 AM
I don’t understand all this foreign locales, sleazyily dressed heroines for item numbers, VFX , trying to be hollywood – to get a successful film.
The two top grossers Chennai Express and 3 I had none of these. Are they so blind?
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October 16, 2013 at 9:46 AM
“Sleazily dressed heroines for item numbers”
Oldgold –can’t see any such heroines here
Poor Priyanka is wearing more clothes than she has worn in three films put together in one film (!) and is sari clad through out …
Plz show where u saw such stuff 🙂
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October 16, 2013 at 9:55 AM
Oh I wasn’t talking about Krish in particular. I gave several points and only some applied to Krish. For instance, it is looking like Ra 1 more and more. It seems Roshan sr got sidetracked here with alien stuff.
Personally I enjoyed the first two Krishes, and also like Hrithik very much, though he’s looking a bit strange these days.
I don’t enjoy weird creatures moving around. They neither look alien nor frightening. Just ridiculous.
I must say Kangana does have an alien immobile face.
And, yes. I’m not expecting sleaze here.
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October 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Well it looks like Ra.one i feel as may be same studio was used for special effects!
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October 16, 2013 at 5:36 PM
“Personally I enjoyed the first two Krishes, and also like Hrithik very much”— seems oldgold should be given priyankas role here 🙂
As for vfx, yes they seem like bra1 here–and seems bra1 had better vfx than these-though the director is better (for Bollywood tastes) here !
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October 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM
LOL at the scene where he lands on some building against a landscape of buildings..looks straight out of the toy set I bought my 1.5 year old nephew..got to give it to the Roshan family’s confidence..in times of Gravity, they come up with such stuff..but then, they know they will laugh all the way to the bank..good for the Roshan’s family fund..bad for the industry’s already pathetic standards..will stay away miles from this one and Oberoi’s tongue..
By the way, someone here suggested that the only ‘release’ strategy left to gather as much moolah as possible before the audience realizes it is fooled is to release a film in 10000 screens on a friday – the 10:00 AM show will be attended by ALL – hence the film can be taken down at 2:30 PM and the film will be a block-buster and the superstar will be a stratospheric superstar that will put to shame the entire galaxy of stars from LA..that release strategy is I think here to stay..
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Krrish 3 to have biggest ever release after Chennai Express, Besharam
Last updated on: October 17, 2013 13:39 IST
Bollywood is scaling new heights with every release.
With Chennai Express, we saw the widest ever launch of a movie in India. If the media grapevine is to be believed, Rakesh Roshan-directed Krrish 3, starring Hrithik Roshan in the titular role, will be released across 5000 screens worldwide.
Sources close to the development inform that Krrish 3 will see the widest domestic release, in 4,200 to 4,500 screens.
“Super-hero movies are pretty common place overseas and thus, the number of screens abroad may not be very high. The film should release in 500 to 550 screens abroad at the most,” informs a film industry insider on the condition of anonymity.
Independent distributor and trade analyst Suniel Wadhwa concurs and adds, “The Krrish movies (Krrish, Krrish 3) are the only successful super-hero Bollywood films after Mr India.
“Their popularity as a brand has increased to a point that they are being dubbed in regional languages like Telugu and Tamil, which are supposed to be huge markets for this genre. Krrish 3 is the only movie releasing around Diwali and can go upto 4,500 screens for domestic markets ( approximate break up: Hindi- 4000-4200, Telugu- 300-350 and Tamil- 200-250 ).”
This will be the fourth film starring Hrithik Roshan after Krrish, Dhoom 2 and Jodhaa Akbar to be dubbed in Tamil and Telugu.
In August this year, Chennai Express, co-produced by Disney UTV and Red Chilies Entertainment, was released across 3,700 screens in India and 750 abroad.
Later, on October 2, the Ranbir Kapoor-starrer Besharam also got an equally wide release. While Chennai Express went on to break box office records, Besharam could not capitalise on the advantage of the scaled up release and bombed at the box office.
Krrish 3 is the third film in the franchise that started off with the ET (Hollywood film) inspired Koi Mil Gaya, which was then followed by the sequel Krrish. Both the earlier films have been big hits at the box office and pundits are hoping for a hat trick from the father-son duo.
The film is produced by FilmKraft and will be distributed by it as well in India. Overseas, the movie will be distributed by Eros International.
It is estimated that the distributor picked up the film for Rs 20 crore. The film has been given a U/A certificate by the censor board without any objections. It is a 152 minute film.
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October 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM
I think the 4500 screen is just nonsense. CE pretty much had the widest release possible as it released when there were no English movies, no Tamil, No Telugu movies available. CE released on many many screens in TN and Nizam and still had around 3500 screens. Krish will have pretty much the same number as TN is choc-a-block with Arambam, All in All Azaghuraja and Pandian Naadu might also make it that week. And if you have a Thala movie finding it difficult getting screens then Krish has no hope. So TN itself will have not more than 100 screens. And the same will happen in Kerala also. For the rest of the country I dont think all of a sudden 1000 screens have sprouted suddenly in 2 months. And you are going to have English movies playing on the screens during Diwali time.
And There will be Telugu releases too in Diwali…
Also the last para is ridiculous “It is estimated that the distributor picked up the film for Rs 20 crore”. The cost will be around 200 crore and not 20…they have a 0 missing there!!!
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October 17, 2013 at 12:00 PM
beyond a point I don’t buy any of these numbers on screens. there’s a lot of exaggeration to this stuff and with every new big release they pretend the previous number has been surpassed! And ultimately it doesn’t make a difference to the gross anyway. Once you cross a certain threshold you can get the same numbers depending of course on how much the film is liked.
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October 17, 2013 at 9:57 PM
EROS INT. picked up the movie in 20 cr for oversear
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October 17, 2013 at 1:47 PM
On Krrish I must say a lot of the advertising has surprised me. Or perhaps I should say the direction Rakesh Roshan has gone in. Because much more than previous films this clear seems to be a compendium of various genre tropes from the mutants to the robots to the building demolitions (!) and so forth. To repeat an older point, and to indulge in a longer aside, I always find it fascinating the degree to which these US franchises with very specific stories and gestures and myths get translated into these omnibus moments in Bollywood so that they’re all equally fair game and they all work in the very same universe! It is almost as if someone were to do an Indian epic where stories and characters from the Mahabharata rubbed shoulders with those from the Ramayana. Or better still Arjun and Raavan have a bash ’em up or something! This is in a way the colonized striking back. Once upon a time you had Hollywood with its various Orientalist fantasies working in similar ways. So India would for instance be represented as a whole collection of tropes and types in very inconsistent ways (historically and otherwise). The ‘truth’ here of course was the abstraction itself. India or China or ‘Arabia’ were representations of fantasies. There was always this neverland quality to them. With something like Krrish you get all this from the other side. Not just the bleeding of one superhero/fantasy trope into another but also the reconfiguration of all kinds of ‘Americana’ (elements of popular culture, nationalist myths of the US nation-state et al) or a re-appropriation of those moments to ‘design’ this Indian superhero (who then proceeds to Singapore! The immediate Indian sphere of influence has to be taken care of first!). But all of this is ‘truer’ in a way than the SRK ambition of directly accessing the ‘West’. which is to say that in the SRK kind of imagining a step is missed. You cannot go directly from Bombay to Berlin (and no Don remake can bridge this gap!), that’s simply implausible. But you can redefine an Indian ascendancy within its immediate sphere of influence. Here Shankar must once be introduced. The way he marries a certain IT fixation with the same fantasy genres (often invoking the Indian mythologized past in the bargain). Once again there is a method to the madness whereas with those other films (as with something like Game or with hrithik’s own Kites in a different genre) there is the short-cut which doesn’t work. In these instances the Indian literally operates in place of the ‘American’. Not even fantasy can explain this substitution! Because fantasy too is most potent when it attaches itself to a plausible narrative.
But to get back to what I started out with the problem with Krrish is that despite having all of this in place the resulting films (even if passable so far) are utterly and desperately mediocre in every sense imaginable. And it’s disappointing to see Rakesh Roshan go even further in the cheesy direction this time around. He might well have the last box office laugh and I certainly wouldn’t bet against him here but the advertising here reeks of a certain badness that I think far surpasses anything the comparable moments from the first two films represented at those points in time. Krrish was never cutting edge but there was something blandly (and I mean really bland!) comforting or at least accessible about these narratives. On K3 though there’s a sense of trying to do too much. And the more you do along certain lines the more the mediocrity becomes manifest. In a sense we’re seeing something similar with D3. It worked best as a more modest effort in the first installment. The second one got more ambitious but also worse in certain obvious ways (hrithik skidding in that desert early on!) which is to say it just looked worse than the first one because it attempted more but with no real apparent upgrades on any technological level. And we’re seeing the same play out with D3 (though we haven’t yet seen a proper trailer here it would be even odder to have spectacular trailers preceded by atrocious teasers!). Once again perhaps this too is enough to keep everyone happy and get those massive grosses. But somehow neither film on the advertising so far (more Krrish than Dhoom because again we haven’t seen anything substantial with the latter and it would be truly surprising if Aamir has agreed to nothing more than a D2 kind of deal) seems to be looking like the sort of deal that will truly strike a chord and trend very well. These films might well trend than most others around but whether they’ll repeat their past benchmarks is another matter. Krrish the last time around did very roughly three times its week 1 number. Dhoom did 2.5 times its own. In terms of the initial both still look to be record-breaking and perhaps just being simply entertaining is enough to put up extraordinary numbers. But certainly with Krrish I think something better might have been attempted. With Dhoom there is still the chance that despite this early stuff something might well have been. Have enough respect for Aamir to hold out for that chance here.
Despite everything I’d still for certain reasons have Krrish doing well than not. But what’s frustrating is the degree to which the truly abysmal is embraced by Bollywood even on such big ventures. It’s amazing that there’s no ambition whether in a narrative sense or a technological one associated with these mega-productions. These producers/directors simply wish to emulate Hollywood but have no clue as to how this can really be done. Yes they don’t have 200m budgets ($). All the more reason to be imaginative, not less!
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October 17, 2013 at 2:48 PM
latest comments panel on right side bar is missing ??
Is’t only my browser problem or ?
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October 17, 2013 at 2:56 PM
I can see it on IE.
Which browser?
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October 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Chrome …
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October 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM
It’s a Firefox issue. I can see them on Safari but not Firefox (even with the latest upgrade). Hopefully it’s a glitch that they’ll resolve.
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October 17, 2013 at 3:21 PM
never mind… it’s not a browser issue, if you’re not signed into wordpress it doesn’t display the comments whether on Safari or Firefox. I haven’t changed any setting at my end.. this shouldn’t happen, will look into it.
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October 17, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Log in ???
comment Panel was visible in chrome since the day I visited SS.. Suddenly Its not there
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October 17, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Ok I just looked into this. It’s a wordpress glitch. they’re working on it as of Oct 17, 2 AM (EST). So at the moment if you’re not logged in you can’t see the recent comment. A bummer..
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October 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM
Yeah, there’s no comment panel–hope it gets sorted soon.
Anyhow–
PC & kangana not on talkng terms !!
‘Krrish 3’, the caped crusader is in trouble and his two leading ladies are the cause. Priyanka Chopra and Kangna Ranaut are paired opposite Hrithik Roshan in the third instalment of the superhero franchise and buzz is that the two actresses share a rather cold vibe.
And TOI has it that just weeks before ‘Krrish 3’s release, Priyanka has refused to be seen in public with Kangna, throwing all their planned promotional appearances into jeopardy. A source told this newspaper, “Priyanka was out of town when the film’s music was launched and the event was attended by the rest of the cast. However, things changed when she came back from Los Angeles. A long itinerary of promotion is being planned involving all the actors but when Priyanka was told about the plans, she told her team that she doesn’t want to share the podium with Kangna.”
Though the Roshans are trying to make peace between the two, as of now Priyanka and Kangna are set to make solo appearances on TV shows. An official from a TV channel where both the actresses will be seen over the coming weeks told us, “Both of them are important to the channel. However, for this coming week, we have Kangna making an appearance on the show hosted by Salman Khan. She won’t be promoting the film there but has been invited as a celebrity guest. Priyanka will make a solo appearance the week after. But these plans are suspect to last minute changes.”
Though Priyanka and Kangna remained unavailable for comment, the film’s producer and director Rakesh Roshan maintained an optimistic front saying, “Kangna is not upset and we are starting our promotions full throttle from the 20th.”
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October 17, 2013 at 1:54 PM
original kmg was inspired from desi satyajit ray’s story alien its only then the guy moved out for western frontiers
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October 17, 2013 at 4:09 PM
Just had a doubt regarding Kangana..as a mutant, how does she in KRISHH 3 manage to get her daily dose of LSD??
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October 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Man is there anything Rakesh Roshan isn’t touching here? Now there’s even an outbreak scenario! A few more months and Clooney might have returned home safely!
And it would be hard to caricature Dad here! One has to keep reminding oneself this is not a parody of something.
Not rooting against the film but the sheer badness on display here is offensive.
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October 22, 2013 at 4:30 PM
HR’s Dad act is nail-scratchingly cringeworthy. Yeh picture bardasht karna ab na-mumkin ho gaya hai. And yet it will be lapped up like hot cakes.
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October 23, 2013 at 8:42 AM
I just saw this trailor, this older krish is grating on my nerves here. And why is Hritik acting inside that mask – flaring nostrils etc…I won’t be surprised with a tank here
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October 23, 2013 at 9:37 AM
“A few more months and Clooney might have returned home safely!”
hahaha
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October 22, 2013 at 4:16 PM
The worst part is Hrithik plays the role too earnestly. When you go that OTT, you can’t play the characters straight.
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October 22, 2013 at 4:32 PM
There’s got to be a record set here. I’ve never seen a longer streak of unappealing promos for a single film.
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October 22, 2013 at 10:55 PM
keep ur fingers crossed GF. Looking at teasers of D3 so far – they may also come up with unappealing promos – after they are competing each other 😉
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October 22, 2013 at 4:40 PM
Hahaha ROFLOL
This seems a mix of x-men, world war z, superman, batman, zombie flicks, avengers, and above all bra1 🙂
All laced with Rakesh roshans cheesy single screen vision.
Only hritk can (probably) carry this off -let’s see
Having said that—
The top image of hritik turning around is sublime.
STAR
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October 22, 2013 at 4:43 PM
“The top image of hritik turning around is sublime.
STAR”
To one in love everything is sublime…
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October 22, 2013 at 10:49 PM
Henry:”The worst part is Hrithik plays the role too earnestly. When you go that OTT, you can’t play the characters straight.” I think it is just the opposite. Only if you play a chracter with some degree of sinserity that audience can but into it. Otherwise is all so blah…. That precisely is problem with films like JBJ, Tashan or Besharam. You dont invest the charcater with any sincerity, the audience is not invested in the character, and not involved in the story. . THe Obviously they are bored…A film like 3 Idiots works because Aamir, Madhavan and Shram are so sincere. Same with Anil Kapor in mr India. MOgambo and Sridevi can be spoofy. But the protagonist have to have a strong streak of earnestness.
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October 23, 2013 at 8:19 AM
I don’t think your definition of earnestness matches Henry’s. His I should add is the more general one. You’re defining it as a certain involvement in and commitment to the part one is doing no matter how ridiculous or at least implausible it might seem. No one would disagree with this. However earnestness is doing the same in a ‘stupid’ way where minimally the effort shows and more importantly in this context one seems to be serious about the part in a way disproportionate to its ‘essence’. To use less garbled syntax you can’t approach Krrish as if you were trying out for Scorsese! Bachchan the greatest even on this score illustrates this ‘difference’ perfectly. When you compare what he does in say Kaala Pathar to how he handles AAA both performances are supreme in very different ways. But the AAA performance never gives off the vibe of an actor who’s somehow approaching it the way he did Kaala Pathar. Of course Bachchan was never earnest anywhere but the point is that certain kinds of parts require a performance which is disguised as non-performance. The superhero part though is not even like AAA. It just requires a kind of ‘solidness’. If you try to ‘perform’ too much here you lose the part. The only exceptions here are when you have a fine actor attempting the part and it is then rewritten to accommodate the actor’s skills and/or persona. So for instance Robert Downey Jr as Tony Stark. Now one could convincingly argue that he’s a far cry from the Stark of the comic books. However he pulls off this redesign very well. He gives Stark more ‘character’ in many ways or makes him more accessible. On the other hand you have those grandly operatic Joker performances that are not easy to pull off and require proper actors (at least if the Joker is to be given center stage) to pull off. In contrast Bale doesn’t overdo Bruce Wayne. He’s obviously an important actor (even if I’m not a fan of his rather ‘hard’ persona) but he doesn’t try to bring his ‘thespian’ skills to the part. With krrish on the other hand (and it’s not just a problem here.. Hrithik precisely because he’s not an actor in any true sense approaches all parts like Krrish or brings the same earnestness everywhere.. though this works better on some occasions) there is really no scope to do either the grandly operatic or the Downey-like fluid act. It just requires the actor to show up. Earnestness is never a good thing in cinema. But one shouldn’t be confused about what this term really means. Ironically the parts that truly require earnestness in Bollywood are played in ‘mentally challenged’ fashion by most actors including most recently Ranbir Kapoor in the initial portions of Rockstar.
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October 23, 2013 at 9:35 AM
Wow, I could have not explained what I generally feel about Hrithik (and especially in the Krrish series) how well you have.
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October 23, 2013 at 10:28 AM
that’s probably because, and justifiably, you’re not willing to waste as much time on such a lengthy response!
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October 22, 2013 at 10:56 PM
These clips have restored my faith in the film. There is a lot of pop wisdom here, served in a form that can be understood. And unlike Ra One, they are not making it Jokey and unlike SRK who plaeyd his character with a smart-lecy smirk, Hritik and sr Hritik play with a heart-touching sincerity that will win everyone over – yes, even the multiplex audience. Mera chicken hai Kentucky, jeans hai Levi’s wala, phir bhi dil hai Hindustani. That’s why they took to Chennai express, and they will engage with this too. Good vs evil, mutant who alternates between love and malice, a savant-scientist with a potential elixir that can save humanity, the amrit, the rakshasi, the Krishan in everyone of us….it is epic stuff!
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October 23, 2013 at 8:51 AM
U r joking right.?
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October 23, 2013 at 9:36 AM
LOL, that’s what I was thinking…I didn’t know that everything but the kitchen sink made for epic cinema. Epic trainwreck is more like it.
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October 23, 2013 at 5:46 AM
There also was a computer that could see into the future in the last film. If the audience could swallow that, they can swallow anything!
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October 23, 2013 at 8:47 AM
Yes for all the reservations expressed here, Roshan won’t have a box office issue here. Even if they deserve one at this point!
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October 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM
Not so sure of that anymore. This is not a movie where 100 cr will get you a hit tag. The kind of money involved it needs something around 150 crs to be average and 200 for a hit tag. And you dont get that kind of gross unless the movie strikes a chord. I have a feeling this is going to tank after seeing the trailors
However cheesy KMG and Krish were, they had a certain amount of innocence in it. There was a novelty factor of seeing an Indian super hero too and the movies though not to my taste, I can understand why they did well. Even the portrayal of that mentally challenged guy didnt grate as much that time. But this one looks like a rehash of every super hero movie there has been and a poor one at that. And I agree with Satyam above that Hritik here seems too earnest as a superhero. Look at him flaring his nostrils under the mask. And this has been an issue with Hritik many times before. He always has to ‘act’, he has to ‘dance’ as if he knows someones looking. There is an exaggeration in everything he does. For once i want Hritik to stop ‘acting’ and just be natural the way he was in ‘Luck By Chance’ or a ‘Fiza’ or a ‘Kashmir’. Obviously no one is going to Krish3 to see acting , but these small things stand out of place even in such movies. And I am still reeling at this old guy portrayal. To be fair to Hritik its the same as he did in KMG maybe I have evolved since KMG and cannot stand it anymore.
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October 23, 2013 at 9:46 AM
“To be fair to Hritik its the same as he did in KMG maybe I have evolved since KMG and cannot stand it anymore”
This is far more likely. I felt the same when I saw KKHH and watch it now. Back then I could get sucked into the mediocrity, now I run away from it.
KMG back in 2003 was an innocent film and I liked Hrithik in that film. Have not even seen Krrish, but I’m sure I am not missing a lot. Those 3 years between 03-06 was enough to grow and know the Roshans can’t pull off a superhero movie to the standards we are use too.
On Krrish 3, I sense this film could still work but it has probably come a little late in Hrithik’s career. He should have closed this chapter of his career 3 years ago. Strike while the iron was still hot and his physical attributes could still pull it off. Not to say he is too old…but just feels a little odd 7 years later.
The music is dire … really really poor. The previews are lukewarm. Yet, the main thing a large chunk of the audience is going to be kids. And they are neither into music or critically viewing or lambasting previews. Pretty sure kids will still want to see it, so pretty sure there will be a few upset parents who will need to sit through this.
Hrithik’s career is rather lethargic. He just seems to have been his biggest and best on debut and those “fireworks” have never been reached, 2006 was close but the follow up took 2 years and by that time he lost his momentum. He doesn’t “need” a success here because quite simply he is not a threat in the rat race. Neither does he do those critically or loved films ala Aamir nor does he blaze the box office with monster grosser after another like Salman nor does he frequently do films ala Akshay. He just misses out on each box maintaining a decent score everywhere. Not enough.
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October 23, 2013 at 10:01 AM
My prediction at the beginning of the year was a 200 crore + monster here but now I would down-size it too the 140-160 crore range. Some would say that is a success but I’d beg to differ. The Roshans don’t come together to do OK. KNPH was a craze, KMG the biggest grosser in 2003, Krrish the biggest grosser since Gadar and Kites though a failure had grand ambitions to be an “international” success. They come together for big success or in simple words to create history. This one does not look like it will do that and technically, it does not look like it will be setting any new standards either.
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October 23, 2013 at 10:36 AM
200 should still be doable with a monster initial. Which they should get here. Despite the previews there can’t be too many people missing the film. Now unless it tanks right away (always a possibility with any film) and assuming it can put up ETT/CE type numbers (which certainly was expected for this film before these previews showed up) 200 would seem to be on the cards. Because I don’t think it will fade like ETT if it does similar numbers. This genre has certainly had small center strength in the past. What is of course true is that if does much less than those two films in the initial run it would indicate some essential weakness and then it would be very hard to imagine a 200 scenario or perhaps even a 180 one. This is the sort of film designed for the biggest possible initial and based on the past it ought to trend well. But if it fails the first test it’s in rough waters. I do agree that 140-160 is too low for Krrish. You can’t do that much less than YJHD!
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October 23, 2013 at 10:27 AM
this is the fairest assessment of Hrithik’s career. I would just add that he does seem to get his big numbers every time he has the right kind of project (though obviously Filmkraft has always been a singular deal for him) and he might well do so again with this current installment. I think your larger point though is the important one in that with his first film he created the kind of hysteria from which everything else (perhaps naturally) seemed like a downhill ride. In 2006 he had a rare chance to resuscitate things in a big but he dropped the ball and that post-2006 period might have been his most important lapse. Because you hardly ever see a star who’s doing very well in key genres suddenly take a long break for no apparent reason and then return with films that even on paper couldn’t have been huge grossers. And yes it’s also true that as the actor grows older and certainly loses some chances along the way the only real shot at becoming a definitional star comes by way of serious reinvention. As you pointed out you either do multiple films and rewrite the box office with each success or you have a critical-commercial success, something that truly counts. Obviously this trajectory is different for different stars. If the point is to establish that Hrithik is one of the biggest openers, specially on the right day, well that proposition has never been in doubt. That he’s a massive star is not what’s being debates. But the post-KNPH period seemed to suggest something more and Hrihtik has never taken it to the next level. Put differently he’s never had a Salman-like (present day) run. He’s not going anywhere but the idea that after all these years he nonetheless needs Krrish to prove a certain point does indicate some weakness. He clearly hasn’t found the same sort of box office goldmine elsewhere.
Quite surprised though you never saw Krrish!
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October 23, 2013 at 10:38 AM
This is beginning to look like the Roshan’s attempt at portraying HR’s acting range with both the retard and superhero having equal screentime. They must really be aiming for the Oscars. Its success will depend on which ‘earnestly played’ role the audience will connect with.
I still think it will touch 200crs. The attraction of a good-looking desi superhero is hard to resist for many.
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October 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM
I was never a fan of this series from film one precisely because as jay says this is, and I think was, from the beginning, targeted primarily to children. They have romances folded into them, but those always felt like afterthoughts, secondary to the film’s actual interests. “Innocence” aside, I will say though that the first and second films seemed at least focused in a way that this absolutely doesn’t. This latest one seems to want to cram in a bit of every kind of Hollywood superhero/disaster film and it just looks all over the place. Kind of reminds me of Raimi’s final Spiderman film, which bit off way more than it could chew.
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October 23, 2013 at 10:47 AM
I was going to check this one out. But given the previews and everything else I’ll probably now wait for some reactions to it. Living upto the previous films might not have seemed to be such a high bar but it evidently has become one!
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October 23, 2013 at 1:10 PM
Yes and the difference between this and Dhoom is that while the trailers for Dhoom haven’t been very good either, they also don’t advertise a film that seems seriously out of step with the predecessors in the series. So Dhoom 3 is probably going to be just as superficial, every bit as bad as the previous films but it also doesn’t look like a nosedive from that mediocre bar. As an aside I have less faith than you in Aamir’s script sense salvaging things, at least not in any substantial way given there are certain basic rules to adhere to here. It makes sense that this might be the best script of the series because Aamir’s around but the best script of the Dhoom series isn’t really a great hook for me! I’m basically in it though simply for the Abhishek-Aamir moment.
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October 23, 2013 at 1:33 PM
this comment is on the money and I agree on all counts. Nonetheless I hold out some hope that the first proper trailer is better than what we’ve seen so far.
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October 23, 2013 at 10:46 AM
I agree with a lot here. The franchise was always cheesy but it was also modest. The last krrish for instance was more or less like a 60s Kashmir romance for most of its first half. In the second half the action took over but things were still kept rather basic. In a sense one does understand why there is this ‘too much’ syndrome in the current film. As Jay pointed out Hrithik should have had a follow-up within 3 years or so. he waited too long. There’s been so much since that the anxiety to match box office marks set by other stars but also to satisfy a multiplex audience increasingly fed on Hollywood and finally of course the usual rush to outdo earlier movies in the franchise, all of this has made them throw everything against the wall on this one. Hollywood too does this all the time. Which is why relatively few sequels are worthwhile. Paradoxically even a movie premised on SFX cannot just be a collection of such moments. We saw this recently in gravity. The most dazzling SFX and yet a relatively basic storyline where the director is even more importantly not at all afraid to not crowd out his film in any other sense. And not surprisingly this is the best trending Hollywood film in anything approaching this genre since Avatar or TDK.
And so once again even in this sense if they don’t get the truly monster initial (and not just a fantastic one) they will have failed a test right off the bat. Having said that it might well be that Hrithik is potent enough in this kind of franchise to paper over some of these problems. In other words you might not see the superb trending of KMG or the previous Krrish but you might see enough basic box office strength on account of the star and the whole sequel thing to power it to a big if not historic total. This certainly cannot be ruled out, specially with a film that caters so much to a very young demographic. I said this recently but Ra One still did as much as its number probably because of this factor. In any other genre we would have seen an even faster fade. In any case hrithik’s ultimate and even quintessential appeal doing this sort of thing can scarcely be overestimated.
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October 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM
A monster initial is very difficult in the pre-Diwali period. I dont know of any movie which has done that. This movie can get the biggest 1st week if liked but getting the biggest 3 day weekend will be a major challenge as it is Pre-Diwali. Thats why roshans had planned to release it on a Monday initially. Having said that and having seen how movies releasing on a mid week has done, it still makes more sense to release on the Friday but it wont be putting a 100 crore figure in those 3 days simply because it is Pre-Diwali.
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October 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM
The pre-diwali release is quite risky. The Sat-Sun business will be surely affected due to Diwali falling on Sunday. So the risk here is that if it gets panned heavily on its release Friday, and drops after the weekend, it will miss out on the guaranteed business of the post-diwali period which will be from Monday onwards. Roshan must be very confident to release this pre-diwali.
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October 23, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Referencing the link from this comment in the SRK thread:
http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/discussion/there-was-time-when-he-had-no-money-buy-groceries-hrithik-roshan-his-dad
Sure is ominous when producers start talking about their life’s hardships before the release of their next film.
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October 28, 2013 at 2:35 PM
**There was a time when he had no money to buy groceries: Hrithik on his dad**
I think this is missing from the ’emotional’ write-up:
That’s when I, Hrithik Roshan decided to go on a shopping spree at VITAMIN SHOPEE and GNC on the whey protein-stuff and beef six-pack up without the help of any groceries..
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October 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM
Amod Mehra watched Krrish 3 and has predicted 250 crores. Now I am not the kinds to go with tweets of trade journalists but Amod Mehra usually is the kinds who will call it as he sees it. He went overboard with his praise here but looks like he liked it a lot.
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October 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM
This is the sort of number the film should be doing given the track record of the franchise. In fact even at 250 and assuming a 140-150 week 1 number it still wouldn’t be keeping up with the numbers of the previous film. Nonetheless 250 would otherwise be a handsome number for the film.
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October 28, 2013 at 3:11 PM
“Amod Mehra watched Krrish 3 and has predicted 250 crores”– haha doubt it personally ..that this will be true as of now…
EVERYTHING till now has been SUBPAR –excluding one opening trailer
“In fact even at 250 and assuming a 140-150 week 1 number it still wouldn’t be keeping up with the numbers of the previous film. “–
Now THIS is what’s called underhand preparatory ‘spin’ (just incase)
C’mon Satyam —be a man
Put down a number on the table!!!
If u get it right. It’s fine
There’s no harm in getting it wrong–
If u had listened to me long ago –atleast your ‘credibility’ would have stayed intact 🙂
I REPEAT –IF hritik and his dad are able to take this to safety from the meh uninspiring promos, they’ve done a creditable job!!!
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October 28, 2013 at 3:59 PM
Let’s put it this way. Going by the trending of the previous film this current one would have to do 375 crores! How? The older one did roughly 26-28 crores in week 1 and 70-75 overall. Assuming a 130 crore week 1 you can do the math. But even if that standard seems too exacting doubling the initial isn’t a bad standard at all. That would still put the onus of a 260 crore plus gross on the film. of course if it’s 140 crores or so the numbers increase at the other end too. I’ve said all of this before. But 250 would still be a very good number judging how films fare these days even with very high initials. So I wouldn’t run the film down on such a gross though it would not have trended as well as either KMG or Krrish.
The same holds for D3. To repeat the trending of the previous film it would have to first off come up with the biggest week 1 number. So anything less than 140 or 150 (or whatever) in the holiday season would be a bit subpar anyway. But assuming that higher base it would need 400 crores or more just to repeat the trending of the previous film. Again using a lower ‘doubling’ standard we still need 280-300 from the film. I think these latter standards are not at all unreasonable for both films given what YJHD and CE just did. That both will get off to those big initial starts is not debatable. The rest remains to be seen. But these standards are perfectly fair ones.
So actually I am lowering the bar for Krrish. Now if you want me to call it a hit at any number north of 150 you’ll be disappointed! You’ll have to buy that snake oil from Taran and co! You don’t have the third film in a hit franchise (Krrish, Dhoom) to just match YJHD or get a bit higher than that! Even matching CE is not a big deal because no one expected as much from CE. It surprised in many ways but it wasn’t pegged to be that kind of grosser. and so even CE is hardly an ultimate standard of any sort.
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October 28, 2013 at 4:12 PM
Im not asking u to anayalse the box office performance POST the numbers being available
But asking your box office PREDICTION—
And nope this is not based on Mumbo jumbo/numerology/ tantric sex etc
But on the basis of promos all/most of which have been exposed, the background data and past ‘achievements’ /track record of actors/ directors are available
So it’s not really ‘guess work’ to come up with a number
Forget about krish 3 or dhoom 3–
Have the balls Satyam!!! Cough up a number !!! 🙂
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October 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM
I would say it needs to match or go past CE to be considered as a success as CE is a lesser costly movie and came with much lesser expectations. The 250 crore number is a good target. I feel this will make between 150 and 200 crores.
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October 29, 2013 at 12:04 PM
From the looks of it Krrish will struggle to get even 50 screens in TN. Arambam is set for the biggest opening since Enthiran.
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October 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM
Satyam– I know u have had some touch times in your debates with me like
Ett200, barfi100, ce200 etc and so on
But since I’ve noted something has ‘broken’ within u
U are SCARED of putting up numbers now –u even ‘hide’ till the first weekend numbers come out
C’mon Satyam —let me help u find the confidence back 🙂
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October 28, 2013 at 4:30 PM
So, if I had to pick one of the three, I’d pick PK, based purely on the strength of its director’s past work. A non-festive release is the only deterrent, but 3 Idiots showed how a strong WOM film can keep going for weeks. But I’m certainly not ruling out Krrish 3 and Dhoom 3 at this stage. In five days time, there will be enough evidence to take a more informed view on one of them.
http://shaileshkapoor.com/2013/10/27/300-cr-ready-to-be-breached/
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October 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM
I will not be surprised if Happy New Year turns out to be the CE of next year
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October 28, 2013 at 5:27 PM
The awful music seems to have slowed down the buzz for this
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October 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Junior Roshan with the usual patriotic bull-crap:
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/more/videos/view/id/2189082
When anybody questions why bring in GRAVITY or AVATAR to the discussion table when we are talking of an ‘Indian’ super-hero, the above talkathon should be a brain-opener..
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October 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM
The mutants of Krrish:
http://fenilandbollywood.com/2013/10/26/meet-krrish-3s-deadly-mutants/
No comments!
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October 28, 2013 at 6:22 PM
K3 and D3 have the cheesiest, corniest character names to date.
Cheetah-woman, Frogman, Sahir the Clown thief, aaliya the acrobat diva. this is unintentionally funny stuff.
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October 28, 2013 at 6:28 PM
Sahir probably because Aamir quotes poetry!
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October 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM
im fine with the name sahir…just dont turn him into the “clown thief” lol
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October 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM
They are really catering to the vernacular audiences. They may be supremely confident of raking in the multiplexes, so they are going after the single screens with such corny/cheesy stuff.
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October 29, 2013 at 11:08 AM
Satyam thats Shahir this is Sahir think it means a magician or wizard .
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