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ya was just pointing how another strong dynasty with legal background was the intiating force in court and face of media in grab of earning spotlight
real eye opener is coming from the man who was one of the main reason for finishing off terrorism in punjab ala crushing off khalistan movement in punjab
Mr Modi said, “Gill Sahib, we have been talking to each other through Mr Mitra or Mr Advani but I want to request you now in person that I am not finding any solution to this violence, I am not getting a fit police response which could end the riots, I sought more force from the neighbouring States which happen to be Congress-ruled States, but they refused. Media, opposition parties and activists have launched a false anti-Modi campaign that I am behind all these riots, which is not true. My first principle as a devout Hindu and as a politician is ‘Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavanthu (May all the people in the world be happy and peaceful).’ I believe in this prayer and I start my day as a politician with it. I have lot of faith in you, the country is indebted to you for saving Punjab from going out of the Union. Without cops like you there can be no democracies, there can be no political leaders and there can be no kings. I will personally be thankful to you for my life if you can help ending this mayhem at the earliest. The onus now is on you to fail me or make me successful as a democratic leader.”
The first step Gill took within three days of joining there was transferring all those officers who failed to prevent the riots in their areas. Mr Gill interacted with all those officers and based on his assessment of their competency and intentions he got them transferred from sensitive posts. Those officers expected to be fair in their working were given sensitive posts.
Mr Gill says, “Mr Modi provided me full freedom to transfer those officers whom I considered ineffective in terms of preventing violence as per their record of the past few days. The kind of free hand Mr Modi gave me to apply my strategies was given to me in Punjab by Sh. Beant Singh and through the pages of this book I want to make it clear to one and all that Modi was never communal in his conduct during this whole mayhem. He only conducted himself as an able administrator, whether it was during my tenure as Security Advisor or before it…
“My observation is that when things like riots, terrorism, natural calamities, etc. happen then sometimes the administration or the Government gets stupefied by it. In those circumstances the administration is not able to find an appropriate solution to the problem which leads to inordinate delays.
“This delay is sometimes used by the opposition parties to tarnish the image of the Government. Media also plays a negative role by being judgemental and describing those false statements by the opposition leaders or other people who are anti-Government, as facts. The allegations may be proved false later on but this false propaganda created through media initially, goes a long way in developing wrong perceptions about that Government or the leader and this happened with Mr Modi in 2002. Moreover, the stupefaction was compounded by the fact that Mr Modi was new to Chief Ministership.
“What I feel is, the media should not only behave as a critic of the Government all the times, they ought to sometimes understand the crisis situation for the Government and act as a supporting arm to it, which unfortunately media failed to do in 2002 vis-à-vis the Gujarat riots. From my first-hand experience of the Gujarat situation I can say with conviction that the Gujarat riots were not the failure of Mr Narendra Modi; instead it was the failure of the Gujarat Police as well as the intentions of the Chief Ministers of the neighbouring States which had then denied forces to Gujarat when the riots started.”
Extracted from KPS Gill: The Paramount Cop by Rahul Chandan, Maple Press, 244 pages, Rs 295, paperback.
such thing will be tough to sell as everyone knows whats the cause in muzzafarnagar …..
ya pradip shocking part is the case teesta stelvad( who happens to be downtrodden and messiah) is the granddaughter of m.c.stelvad the first attorney general of india and a known nehruvian(congress)..though its other the fake affidavit and strong silence of how victim’s money went into gutters and beserk silence on that especially on part of indian media
that what i mean by strong legal dynasty who prompt grip on legal matter went into hiding
recent muzaffnagar riots in u.p a case between jats and muslim riots but again you try to bring ruling opposition party a leader into play but in reality the person whose name came up happens to be aviation minister and in u.p biggest leader of jats(though it was political) and how does administration in centre and state counters that:
Modi’s real howler recently was suggesting that Nehru becoming PM was a mistake and that Patel should have been there instead. Akhtar said on twitter that Modi wasn’t even a pygmy in front of Nehru and I quite agree. Of course the unfortunate thing is that Nehru as the well-meaning but bumbling leader is a view that has very many takers in ‘multiplex’ India. People who don’t know what they’re talking about but that’s another matter. Because the ‘aggressive’ posture fostered on the Right doesn’t find Nehru adequate in this sense and even those not on this side of the political debate have this characteristically bourgeois fascination with power and authority (notice in the contemporary age this over-investment in the figure of absolute authority from the corporate type to the gangster to the Sarkar-like leader and so on.. in exact proportion to the democratization of real politics and hence a system where absolute power becomes increasingly improbable) and therefore are sympathetic to the claim. Of course the Right disposed of Gandhi and has long wishes to retroactively dispose Nehru as well. Not sure if one would wish to be in their India (!) but in any case Modi’s remark has many takers. Interestingly in 1948 there was a crisis in the making at the Babri mosque and at that point Patel had given shoot-on-sight orders for anyone getting close to the mosque let alone trying to destroy it. So here too the right-wing reading of Patel is quite faulty. He was to the right of Nehru, had perhaps somewhat more authoritarian tendencies but he wasn’t crazy! Of course disliking Nehru’s India is a bit like disliking Lincoln’s America! No time travel possible in either case though one is free to polemicize all one wishes.
I am not well versed in politics of that era to comment but as you suggested Patel was more of right to what Nehru stood for.
My issues with above tweets is that Indian democracy is not based on more than 50% votes. Most of the times we elect law makers with 30% vote. So in theory 70% don’t like that person.
Other comment is that if only 10% are amiable to person then why bother talking about him and making him important. He is a regional satrap?
I’d just add this though, sometimes the leader might not be as big as the ideas he (or she) represents. And those ideas might be dangerous ones. Hitler never got more than one third of the vote but his ideas clearly had a lot more takers than that.
On a related note to the above one I should also add that within the same multiplex classes Indira Gandhi is an absolute icon. For precisely the same sorts of reasons. I find some aspects of her record absolutely impossible to overlook but again the same authoritarianism appeals to people and not just in India. Democracy tends to be a very messy process and at some point the authoritarian seduction becomes potent.
Atleast he is not like the diplomatic khans who are afraid to offend. Career ka sawaal hai. And why cant he condemn akhilesh with the same vigour for the UP riots?
isn’t it was the same guy who written maut ka saudagar for gujrat election and said gujratis don’t like him who are those 90% …may be his faggot islamists
sardar did 560 integration of state and everyone knows what nehru did with kashmir when sardar was totally against going to uno and see what we have after 60 years..a headache
adequacy comes with merit on guard… the word pygmi comes up on merit not hyberbole
modi’s father was not motilal nehru who gave him everything on platter or when he did sychophancy for power ….
patel was one of the few who warned gandh( of future assasination attemt)i for what hasto come … he was staunchly opposed to giving money to pakistan which will be used against india (kashmir) in 1948 and thats what happened when mood in country was allready boiling leading to killing of 12 lakh people in partition
ya sardar defeated nehru 12-0 in race for being first pm of india… did nehru backed down when election had to be unanimous\
these are facts which will not be hidden by verbose
thing is why heat is on different scenario gets unfolded:
congress mp javed akhtar has to serve his mater but his sucess of script came up with salim( salim-javed) the father of salman khan openly taking him on and supporting the same guy on whom this is spitting venom
logically question to be asked why they say nehru should not have been pm and sardar should have been forget administrative skill look at economic policies which lead india down by 40 years
when economy was liberalised in 1991( by narshimbha rao from non dynasty when india was on verge of bankruptcy and imf advised us it itself indicated how policies faulty where for so long)…bankruptcy along with red tapism and corruption:
Narendra Modi with Muslim supporters during his Sadbhavna Mission fast in Gujarat’s Panchmahal district last month. PTI
ll politics may be local, but business is global, and the business of Narendra Modi’s Gujarat is business. An approach that has enabled Modi to ensure that practically all households in his state have access to (uninterrupted) electricity and power. A change from Gurgaon, where the (Haryana) state and Central treasuries get mounds of taxes that get repaid in the form of crater-filled roads, power shortages, water disruptions and an administration unbothered about anything other than raising cash for itself and for its political masters. Gurgaon shows better than anything else the disconnect between public administration and private in India, with skyscrapers needing huge dollops of diesel for power, and employees spilling over onto streets that war-ridden Afghanistan would be ashamed of.
Gurgaon represents Nehruvian India, a state where the sole purpose of the administration is self-perpetuation and the squeezing of surplus from citizens not privileged to be “New British”, i.e. officials or politicians. It is a construct that has been embraced by both these groups, for the power it gives them over the lives of ordinary citizens. Just as British apologists for colonial loot talked of the “civilising” effects of the Raj, claiming that everything from railways to roads would never have come about but for them, India’s post-1947 New British chatter incessantly about “democracy”, a system whereby less than a dozen families rule over three-fourths of those elected to state and national legislatures. Talking to those whose workplace is atop Raisina Hill, it is difficult not to imagine that they consider themselves to be the rulers of a vast colony, which is the rest of India. That they, and they alone, have the right to decide matters that affect any state, any district. Indeed, that the rest of the country is simply incapable of self-governance.
Although India has gone the opposite way of Pakistan, where the share of minorities in the total population has fallen to less than a tenth of what it was pre-1947, this country has had its ethos shamed by repeated pogroms, whether of Dalits or of Sikhs or of Muslims, or even of “caste” Hindus. Delhi 1984 or Mumbai 1993 were inexcusable, as much so as the violence that stained Gujarat after the massacre of karsevaks in Godhra. None of the high-level policymakers involved in incidents previous to (or after) the Godhra riots of 2002 have faced the criticisms focused on Narendra Modi. The crescendo of hate that daily crests towards Modi may be partly based on the fact that Nehruvians are aware that the Gujarat Chief Minister represents their antithesis, in a way that Atal Behari Vajpayee or Jyoti Basu never could be. The only periods when a genuine non-Nehruvian became PM was when Morarji Desai and P.V. Narasimha Rao occupied that post. Both were subjected to vitriol by overt and covert defenders of the Nehru ethos, whether these be in politics or in academe or in the media.
Nehruvian ideology and methods are based on the implicit belief that the Raj was the best thing that ever happened to India, and that therefore its institutions, mindset and laws ought to be retained in their entirety. That the people of India are not mature enough to be trusted with superintending their own destinies, and therefore need to constantly check back with some minion or the other of the administration before being allowed to do even simple tasks. Simply put, the politico-administrative elite that replaced the British in 1947 are the only adults in the country, and the rest are just children. Small wonder that Indians have not been given the access to the internet bandwidth that others in Asia enjoy, or while Japan has 5G, India still crawls along with 3G, where that service is available at all. The choke points that the British erected succeeded in emasculating the Indian economy. The continuation of the colonial policy of excessive regulation ensures that India grows at a speed less than half of the 15% that the genius of its people would easily achieve, if only they were given the same conditions that are enjoyed by counterparts in other countries.
Enter Narendra Modi. All of him is Indian, none of him owes anything to Raj influences. Were he to ever become Prime Minister, he would be unlikely to go the Vajpayee way, accepting the Nehru model of governance, including in foreign and education policy, rather than ensuring that the country move on from the shadow of the British occupation. Modi wants the English language to spread in India, but not British attitudes. He trusts domestic industry and wants it to expand to foreign shores, rather than dwarf them in favour of foreign companies. Only in Nehruvian India can the civil servant who crafted the laws and regulations that enabled Vodafone to avoid paying nearly $4 billion in taxes on a wholly India-based transaction continue to enjoy his or her retirement. In a country less enslaved by its colonial past, the person would have been brought to account. In Gujarat, Modi has not followed the model of the man responsible for ensuring that Jawaharlal Nehru got anointed to continue the legacy of the Raj, but Vallabbhai Patel. Those who want to know what India would have looked like under 17 years of Patel need only go to Modi’s Gujarat.
these days, internet fora gush venom on Narendra Modi, not by Muslim or Christian voices but by those who claim to be “pure” Hindutva followers. His destruction of roadside temples irks them, as does his refusal to give them a voice in administrative matters, the way Nehruvians always do. The post-Godhra riots were a huge blot, but thereafter, there has not been a single death due to communal — or caste — violence in Gujarat. As Chief Minister, Modi is now stressing the neutrality of the administration in matters of faith, which of course is very different from the Nehruvian polity, which incessantly tells the Muslim community — the strongest single group in the country and a force with powerful international resonance — that they are helpless victims rather than masters of their own fate. The Indian people are one, and deserve better than to be always told that each is different from the other. Ten years after Godhra, the state seems to have moved on, the way Mumbai did after the 1993 horror or Delhi after the genocidal attack on Sikhs in 1984. Should Narendra Modi ever become PM, he would consign to history the Nehruvian system as surely as Deng Xiaoping took China away from Mao Thought in the 1980s. Small wonder that Nehruvians across the world have united against him.
Though Salim Khan is busy singing paeans of praise to himself notice how the ‘personal relationship’ angle is not as uncomplicated as it might seem. I know this is not what Salim Khan is thinking about since he just wants to hammer the point that he wants nothing from Modi. Perhaps he’s sensitive to the fact that he might be criticized for being pals with Modi! In any case this is one of the points Dev (Nihalani) examined. Which is why the whole friendship angle was very important. Because the question of political ethics is implicated in the question of friendship and vice versa. I cannot expand on all of this here but Derrida has an extraordinary text on this called the Politics of Friendship. So Bachchan and Om Puri are friends. They come from different political camps. Beyond a point though Om Puri’s politics damages the friendship. Not from his side but Bachchan’s side because Bachchan can no longer ignore the character of the friend as he sees it. The ethical duty he sees in front of him prevents him from carrying on with the friendship. Now where in the Mahabharata do we see a parallel?! In other words I cannot say ‘my friend is a rapist but I just have a personal relationship with him which has nothing to do with how he acts otherwise’! I cannot say ‘I have a personal relationship with Stalin’. I cannot say that a Muslim extremist blowing up others is just a ‘personal’ friend and otherwise I have nothing to do with his politics. So on and so forth. Within reason differences of opinion are fine. Rocky excuses me for being on the left and I excuse him for not having completed the learning process (!) and we then talk about AAA. However things would be different if Rocky started organizing riots or I started doing the same. A friendship that transcends ‘any’ politics is not worthy of the name.
a dishonest and selective spin now lets apply the same other way
akhtar is congess mp , to serve congress election manifesto bharat nirman ads dialogues where penned by him and ya even his criticism is a straight lift off congress workers
on bachchan:
in 96 he famously said no foreigner should be allowed to be pm and even had nri status once
“others who criticise nehru don’t know, full of rage, disnost and bla bla”
my bad.. I assumed you didn’t know as much as scholars working in the field writing massive histories of India or multi-volume biographies on Nehru and others..
It is atrocious for most part(not compared to regular sops but it remaking a hit show, so my bar is little high). I cringe most of the times with dialogues and situations.
Ramachandra Guha, canonical on these matters, has this very useful piece where he deconstructs all the anti-Nehru myths but also check out here the Patel bits:
Ever since my return from Ahmedabad and after the cabinet meeting the same day which I had to attend at practically fifteen minutes’ notice and for which I regret I was not able to read all the papers, I have been anxiously thinking over the problem of Tibet and I thought I should share with you what is passing through my mind.
I have carefully gone through the correspondence between the External Affairs Ministry and our Ambassador in Peking and through him the Chinese Government. I have tried to peruse this correspondence as favourably to our Ambassador and the Chinese Government as possible, but I regret to say that neither of them comes out well as a result of this study. The Chinese Government has tried to delude us by professions of peaceful intention. My own feeling is that at a crucial period they managed to instill into our Ambassador a false sense of confidence in their so-called desire to settle the Tibetan problem by peaceful means. There can be no doubt that during the period covered by this correspondence the Chinese must have been concentrating for an onslaught on Tibet. The final action of the Chinese, in my judgement, is little short of perfidy. The tragedy of it is that the Tibetans put faith in us; they chose to be guided by us; and we have been unable to get them out of the meshes of Chinese diplomacy or Chinese malevolence. From the latest position, it appears that we shall not be able to rescue the Dalai Lama. Our Ambassador has been at great pains to find an explanation or justification for Chinese policy and actions. As the External Affairs Ministry remarked in one of their telegrams, there was a lack of firmness and unnecessary apology in one or two representations that he made to the Chinese Government on our behalf. It is impossible to imagine any sensible person believing in the so-called threat to China from Anglo-American machinations in Tibet. Therefore, if the Chinese put faith in this, they must have distrusted us so completely as to have taken us as tools or stooges of Anglo-American diplomacy or strategy. This feeling, if genuinely entertained by the Chinese in spite of your direct approaches to them, indicates that even though we regard ourselves as the friends of China, the Chinese do not regard us as their friends. With the Communist mentality of “whoever is not with them being against them”, this is a significant pointer, of which we have to take due note. During the last several months, outside the Russian camp, we have practically been alone in championing the cause of Chinese entry into UN and in securing from the Americans assurances on the question of Formosa. We have done everything we could to assuage Chinese feelings, to allay its apprehensions and to defend its legitimate claims in our discussions and correspondence with America and Britain and in the UN. Inspite of this, China is not convinced about our disinterestedness; it continues to regard us with suspicion and the whole psychology is one, at least outwardly, of scepticism perhaps mixed with a little hostility. I doubt if we can go any further than we have done already to convince China of our good intentions, friendliness and goodwill. In Peking we have an Ambassador who is eminently suitable for putting across the friendly point of view. Even he seems to have failed to convert the Chinese. Their last telegram to us is an act of gross discourtesy not only in the summary way it disposes of our protest against the entry of Chinese forces into Tibet but also in the wild insinuation that our attitude is determined by foreign influences. It looks as though it is not a friend speaking in that language but a potential enemy.
In the background of this, we have to consider what new situation now faces us as a result of the disappearance of Tibet, as we knew it, and the expansion of China almost up to our gates. Throughout history we have seldom been worried about our north-east frontier. The Himalayas have been regarded as an impenetrable barrier against any threat from the north. We had a friendly Tibet which gave us no trouble. The Chinese were divided. They had their own domestic problems and never bothered us about frontiers. In 1914, we entered into a convention with Tibet which was not endorsed by the Chinese. We seem to have regarded Tibetan autonomy as extending to independent treaty relationship. Presumably, all that we required was Chinese counter-signature. The Chinese interpretation of suzerainty seems to be different. We can, therefore, safely assume that very soon they will disown all the stipulations which Tibet has entered into with us in the past. That throws into the melting pot all frontier and commercial settlements with Tibet on which we have been functioning and acting during the last half a century. China is no longer divided. It is united and strong. All along the Himalayas in the north and north-east, we have on our side of the frontier a population ethnologically and culturally not different from Tibetans and Mongoloids. The undefined state of the frontier and the existence on our side of a population with its affinities to the Tibetans or Chinese have all the elements of the potential trouble between China and ourselves. Recent and bitter history also tells us that Communism is no shield against imperialism and that the communists are as good or as bad imperialists as any other. Chinese ambitions in this respect not only cover the Himalayan slopes on our side but also include the important part of Assam. They have their ambitions in Burma also. Burma has the added difficulty that it has no McMahon Line round which to build up even the semblance of an agreement. Chinese irredentism and communist imperialism are different from the expansionism or imperialism of the western powers. The former has a cloak of ideology which makes it ten times more dangerous. In the guise of ideological expansion lie concealed racial, national or historical claims. The danger from the north and north-east, therefore, becomes both communist and imperialist. While our western and north-western threat to security is still as prominent as before, a new threat has developed from the north and north-east. Thus, for the first time, after centuries, India’s defence has to concentrate itself on two fronts simultaneously. Our defence measures have so far been based on the calculations of superiority over Pakistan. In our calculations we shall now have to reckon with communist China in the north and in the north-east, a communist China which has definite ambitions and aims and which does not, in any way, seem friendly disposed towards us.
Let us also consider the political conditions on this potentially troublesome frontier. Our northern and north-eastern approaches consist of Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and the tribal areas in Assam. From the point of view of communication, there are weak spots. Continuous defensive lines do not exist. There is almost an unlimited scope for infiltration. Police protection is limited to a very small number of passes. There, too, our outposts do not seem to be fully manned. The contact of these areas with us is by no means close and intimate. The people inhabiting these portions have no established loyalty or devotion to India. Even Darjeeling and Kalimpong areas are not free from pro-Mongoloid prejudices. During the last three years, we have not been able to make any appreciable approaches to the Nagas and other hill tribes in Assam. European missionaries and other visitors had been in touch with them, but their influence was in no way friendly to India or Indians. In Sikkim, there was political ferment some time ago. It is quite possible that discontent is smouldering there. Bhutan is comparatively quiet, but its affinity with Tibetans would be a handicap. Nepal has a weak oligarchic regime based almost entirely on force: it is in conflict with a turbulent element of the population as well as with enlightened ideas of the modern age. In these circumstances, to make people alive to the new danger or to make them defensively strong is a very difficult task indeed and that difficulty can be got over only by enlightened firmness, strength and a clear line of policy. I am sure the Chinese and their source of inspiration, Soviet Union, would not miss any opportunity of exploiting these weak spots, partly in support of their ideology and partly in support of their ambitions. In my judgement the situation is one which we cannot afford either to be complacent or to be vacillating. We must have a clear idea of what we wish to achieve and also of the methods by which we should achieve it. Any faltering or lack of decisiveness in formulating our objectives or in pursuing our policies to attain those objectives is bound to weaken us and increase the threats which are so evident.
Side by side with these external dangers, we shall now have to face serious internal problems as well. I have already asked Iengar to send to the External Affairs Ministry a copy of the Intelligence Bureau’s appreciation of these matters. Hitherto, the Communist Party of India has found some difficulty in contacting communists abroad, or in getting supplies of arms, literature, etc., from them. They had to contend with the difficult Burmese and Pakistan frontiers on the east or with the long seaboard. They shall now have a comparatively easy means of access to Chinese communists and through them to other foreign communists. Infiltration of spies, fifth columnists and communists would now be easier. Instead of having to deal with isolated communist pockets in Telengana and Warrangal we may have to deal with communist threats to our security along our northern and north-eastern frontiers, where, for supplies of arms and ammunition, they can safely depend on communist arsenals in China. The whole situation thus raises a number of problems on which we must come to an early decision so that we can, as I said earlier, formulate the objectives of our policy and decide the method by which those objectives are to be attained. It is also clear that the action will have to be fairly comprehensive, involving not only our defence strategy and state of preparations but also problem of internal security to deal with which we have not a moment to lose. We shall also have to deal with administrative and political problems in the weak spots along the frontier to which I have already referred.
It is of course, impossible to be exhaustive in setting out all these problems. I am, however, giving below some of the problems which, in my opinion, require early solution and round which we have to build our administrative or military policies and measures to implement them.
a) A military and intelligence appreciation of the Chinese threat to India both on the frontier and to internal security.
b) An examination of military position and such redisposition of our forces as might be necessary, particularly with the idea of guarding important routes or areas which are likely to be the subject of dispute.
c) An appraisement of the strength of our forces and, if necessary, reconsideration of our retrenchment plans for the Army in the light of the new threat.
d) A long-term consideration of our defence needs. My own feeling is that, unless we assure our supplies of arms, ammunition and armour, we would be making our defence perpetually weak and we would not be able to stand up to the double threat of difficulties both from the west and north-west and north and north-east.
e) The question of China’s entry into the UN. In view of the rebuff which China has given us and the method which it has followed in dealing with Tibet, I am doubtful whether we can advocate its claim any longer. There would probably be a threat in the UN virtually to outlaw China, in view of its active participation in the Korean war. We must determine our attitude on this question also.
f) The political and administrative steps which we should take to strengthen our northern and north-eastern frontier. This would include the whole of the border, ie. Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and the tribal territory in Assam.
g) Measures of internal security in the border areas as well as the states flanking those areas such as Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Bengal and Assam.
h) Improvement of our communication, road, rail, air and wireless, in these areas and with the frontier outposts.
i) The future of our mission at Lhasa and the trade posts at Gyangtse and Yatung and the forces which we have in operation in Tibet to guard the trade routes.
j) The policy in regard to the McMahon Line.
These are some of the questions which occur to my mind. It is possible that a consideration of these matters may lead us into wider question of our relationship with China, Russia, America, Britain and Burma. This, however, would be of a general nature, though some might be basically very important, e.g., we might have to consider whether we should not enter into closer association with Burma in order to strengthen the latter in its dealings with China. I do not rule out the possibility that, before applying pressure on us, China might apply pressure on Burma. With Burma, the frontier is entirely undefined and the Chinese territorial claims are more substantial. In its present position, Burma might offer an easier problem to China, and therefore, might claim its first attention.
I suggest that we meet early to have a general discussion on these problems and decide on such steps as we might think to be immediately necessary and direct, quick examination of other problems with a view to taking early measures to deal with them.
Was Thomas Jefferson a pioneer of freedom or a hypocritical slave owner? Was Winston Churchill a war hero or a racist? The Americans and British debate such matters all the time. Indians are shy of debating even their recent history. The Congress, having nothing to show on the economic or governance front, is nervous that its last strong card — its monopoly of Indian history — is being challenged by Narendra Modi, who recently claimed Sardar Patel as his icon.
The Congress believes it made India’s history all by itself — the Independence movement led by Gandhi-Nehru and the Nehru-Gandhi years in government. Suddenly, Congress leaders are falling over each other praising Patel. But alas, their knowledge of their own history is fragile since the memory of Patel has been erased from books written by their house historians. Patel is now hailed as ‘secular and liberal’, and an enemy of the RSS. For those who were alive then, history is very different.
The Congress had, from 1885 onwards, a predominantly Hindu membership. This was inevitable because the Hindu elite had taken advantage of British education and joined new professions. Muslims lagged behind. Gandhiji tried to forge a united Hindu-Muslim struggle for Khilafat. When he abandoned it after Chauri-Chaura, he alienated Muslims.
The Congress never regained the support of the Muslims. The Motilal Nehru Report spurned Jinnah’s request for seat sharing because the Hindu Mahasabha was against it. The Congress promised a coalition with the Muslim League in UP after the 1937 elections. When it got absolute majority, Nehru reneged on the promise. In the 1946 Constituent Assembly polls, the Congress did not win a single Muslim seat, despite the fact that Maulana Azad was its president.
The leadership of the party was largely Hindu. Nehru was isolated as a rare secular liberal leader who had the backing of a few ‘nationalist’ Muslims and socialists. And he was Gandhiji’s choice for PM. The other leaders — Patel, Rajendra Prasad, Purushottamdas Tandon — were staunch Hindu traditionalists. Mountbatten first convinced Patel about why Partition made sense. Patel got Nehru to go along. Patel was much more staunchly anti-Pakistan than Nehru. They quarrelled about protecting Muslims in India, who were being attacked by refugees arriving from Pakistan. The Hindu traditionalist wing of the Congress wanted the RSS to merge with the Congress but Nehru was against this. The Nehru-Patel quarrel nearly split the government. They asked Gandhiji to intervene, but he was assassinated on the very day he was going to reconcile them.
This shook Patel. He was blamed for the lapse of security which led to Godse getting close to Gandhiji. The government remained tense. Nehru was Prime Minister, but did not dominate the party. Tandon, Kripalani, Patel and Prasad were more powerful. It was only after Patel’s death in December 1950 that Nehru had Tandon removed from the post of president.
During the Fifties, Nehru neutralised JP, who then gave up politics. The Communist party decided to support him on the basis that Nehru led the progressive forces within the Congress and that the reactionary forces had to be countered. Who were these reactionary forces? They were the Hindu traditionalists. Patel, deemed their leader, was now gone. Prasad, Tandon and Rajaji were marginalised. Only Nehru remained as the sole Congress leader. And Gandhiji.
Once he was dominant, Nehru cracked the whip for secularism. Prasad wanted to inaugurate the restored Somnath temple but Nehru did not agree as it violated the code of secularism. It was K M Munshi who took the lead to promote Hindu revival with his movement to restore Somnath. Hindu revival thus became a Gujarati project. Patel may have been downgraded in Delhi, but he remained a Gujarati icon.
Indira Gandhi split the Congress in 1969. It was Gujarat which took the lead against her in 1974 with the Navanirman movement. Morarji Desai, ejected from the Congress by Indira, returned as the leader of the Janata Party to defeat her. It is this old Congress-Janata tradition which claims Patel as its icon. It is too late for the Congress to reclaim him.
again the big silence on how a rahul gandhi without assuming any office of oath can be a prime ministerial candidate its mocks democracy and is appalling to be put more bluntly
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Narendra Modi’s recent observation that India’s fate would have been different had Sardar Patel been the country’s first prime minister, instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, has caused a stampede of public opinion. Differences between the two leaders were insignificant, some have said, and these actually proved healthy for the nascent democracy. Others have said that Mr Modi has been able to lay claim to Patel only because the Congress is a party of sycophants and no leader outside the first family can lay claim to greatness. Still others have said that Mr Modi cannot be Patel’s political heir because of his hardline attitude towards the minorities. But Mr Modi’s poser remains unanswered.
“What if” questions are always tricky to answer. But one thing is for sure: unlike Nehru, Patel did not view businessmen with suspicion. Maybe if he were prime minister, India wouldn’t have gone down the socialist path that put shackles on business. Maybe because of that, we would have done better than the Hindu rate of growth. Imagine the possibilities if India had unleashed entrepreneurship way back in 1947 and not in 1991. South Korea and India were at similar levels of development in 1947 when they gained independence; look at the difference between the two now. A whole generation of entrepreneurs was lost to the licence raj.
Nehru’s dalliances with socialism started in the early 1930s. The West was in the grip of the Great Depression, while Soviet Russia was rapidly industrialising under successive five-year plans. This left a great impression on his mind. In his presidential address to the Lucknow session of the Congress in April 1936, Nehru advocated socialism: the end of private property and the profit system. This prompted 21 “mercantile leaders” of Bombay to publish a manifesto against Nehru in The Times of India and The Tribune on May 20. According to business historian Gita Piramal, seven of these were Tata men – though J R D Tata was not among them – which suggested that the business group had played a big role in the manifesto. One of the other signatories was shipping magnate Walchand Hirachand, who felt Nehru would use his position as Congress president to propagate his ideas and sideline “sensible” men like Patel.
Patel was never hostile towards business and recognised its vital role in the economy. He was particularly close to Ghanshyamdas Birla. The two would go for walks together whenever they were in the same city and would also frequently lunch together. Nehru, on the other hand, thought Birla supported the Hindu lobby within the Congress. Agnostic to the core, Nehru found no place for religion in public life. Birla, on the other hand, found Nehru’s sympathies for the Soviet Union and his socialist bent of mind a bit too much to handle. In 1936, Birla wrote to Mahatma Gandhi: “In London, Nehru was making speeches that Russia was India’s best friend and Japan a weakening power. I don’t know about Russia, but I definitely know that Japan is not a weakening power.”
Did Patel’s closeness to Birla bother Nehru? “Pundit-ji [Nehru] felt we were Patel-ji’s men, with the result that Pundit-ji didn’t look upon us with great warmth,” Ms Piramal quotes Basant Kumar, Birla’s son, in her book, Business Legends. She suggests that Birla may have met Nehru after Patel’s death, in 1950, to explain that though Birla and Patel were close, there was never any intention to cause Nehru hurt. Those who dismiss the differences between the two leaders as “academic” or “creative” would do well to read the book. In September 1947, Patel insisted Gandhi should stay in Birla House in New Delhi in view of the growing threat to his life. After Gandhi was assassinated on January 30, 1948, by a Hindu fanatic in the lawns of Birla House, Nehru wanted the house to become a national monument. Birla wasn’t keen because of his close association with Gandhi.
Patel joined the fight on Birla’s side. He wrote to Nehru from Mussoorie, where he happened to be staying with the industrialist, saying that the “public clamour [for a museum] would not have attained these dimensions if we had been bold enough [do you sense a dig here at Nehru?] to give a correct lead by making known our own opinion publicly to the people”. Gandhi, Patel said, wouldn’t have liked the idea of having a museum named after him. The museum, he added, “involves violence of the worst kind to the feelings of both Ghanshyamdas and Bapu”. If he still insisted on taking over Birla House, Patel suggested, Nehru should make available to Birla an alternative site in Delhi to build a house for which he would adequately compensate the government. Nehru rushed to Mussoorie to placate Birla and Patel. In 1971, Birla House finally became government property.
The relationship between leaders and businessmen is unidimensional – it’s driven by the principle of mutual benefit. And businessmen are practical (and also often unscrupulous) people. That’s why they never get into open confrontation with leaders. That Lala Shri Ram of Delhi Cloth Mills dared to take on Patel (before Independence) shows that businessmen did not see him as vindictive. In 1931, Patel, who was raising funds for the Congress, had sent Bhulabhai Desai to Lala Shri Ram for his contribution. Lala Shri Ram readily agreed to the request and paid Rs 10,000. Patel was not happy with the amount. He conveyed through Desai that a higher payment would be less expensive than a strike in the DCM mills. Lala Shri Ram was infuriated and told Desai that he wouldn’t budge under any threat. Patel realised that Lala Shri Ram could not be bullied. The two reconciled. Patel became a regular visitor to Lala Shri Ram’s house in New Delhi.
again the big silence on how a rahul gandhi without assuming any office of oath can be a prime ministerial candidate its mocks democracy and is appalling to be put more bluntly
Narendra Modi’s recent observation that India’s fate would have been different had Sardar Patel been the country’s first prime minister, instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, has caused a stampede of public opinion. Differences between the two leaders were insignificant, some have said, and these actually proved healthy for the nascent democracy. Others have said that Mr Modi has been able to lay claim to Patel only because the Congress is a party of sycophants and no leader outside the first family can lay claim to greatness. Still others have said that Mr Modi cannot be Patel’s political heir because of his hardline attitude towards the minorities. But Mr Modi’s poser remains unanswered.
“What if” questions are always tricky to answer. But one thing is for sure: unlike Nehru, Patel did not view businessmen with suspicion. Maybe if he were prime minister, India wouldn’t have gone down the socialist path that put shackles on business. Maybe because of that, we would have done better than the Hindu rate of growth. Imagine the possibilities if India had unleashed entrepreneurship way back in 1947 and not in 1991. South Korea and India were at similar levels of development in 1947 when they gained independence; look at the difference between the two now. A whole generation of entrepreneurs was lost to the licence raj.
Nehru’s dalliances with socialism started in the early 1930s. The West was in the grip of the Great Depression, while Soviet Russia was rapidly industrialising under successive five-year plans. This left a great impression on his mind. In his presidential address to the Lucknow session of the Congress in April 1936, Nehru advocated socialism: the end of private property and the profit system. This prompted 21 “mercantile leaders” of Bombay to publish a manifesto against Nehru in The Times of India and The Tribune on May 20. According to business historian Gita Piramal, seven of these were Tata men – though J R D Tata was not among them – which suggested that the business group had played a big role in the manifesto. One of the other signatories was shipping magnate Walchand Hirachand, who felt Nehru would use his position as Congress president to propagate his ideas and sideline “sensible” men like Patel.
Patel was never hostile towards business and recognised its vital role in the economy. He was particularly close to Ghanshyamdas Birla. The two would go for walks together whenever they were in the same city and would also frequently lunch together. Nehru, on the other hand, thought Birla supported the Hindu lobby within the Congress. Agnostic to the core, Nehru found no place for religion in public life. Birla, on the other hand, found Nehru’s sympathies for the Soviet Union and his socialist bent of mind a bit too much to handle. In 1936, Birla wrote to Mahatma Gandhi: “In London, Nehru was making speeches that Russia was India’s best friend and Japan a weakening power. I don’t know about Russia, but I definitely know that Japan is not a weakening power.”
Did Patel’s closeness to Birla bother Nehru? “Pundit-ji [Nehru] felt we were Patel-ji’s men, with the result that Pundit-ji didn’t look upon us with great warmth,” Ms Piramal quotes Basant Kumar, Birla’s son, in her book, Business Legends. She suggests that Birla may have met Nehru after Patel’s death, in 1950, to explain that though Birla and Patel were close, there was never any intention to cause Nehru hurt. Those who dismiss the differences between the two leaders as “academic” or “creative” would do well to read the book. In September 1947, Patel insisted Gandhi should stay in Birla House in New Delhi in view of the growing threat to his life. After Gandhi was assassinated on January 30, 1948, by a Hindu fanatic in the lawns of Birla House, Nehru wanted the house to become a national monument. Birla wasn’t keen because of his close association with Gandhi.
Patel joined the fight on Birla’s side. He wrote to Nehru from Mussoorie, where he happened to be staying with the industrialist, saying that the “public clamour [for a museum] would not have attained these dimensions if we had been bold enough [do you sense a dig here at Nehru?] to give a correct lead by making known our own opinion publicly to the people”. Gandhi, Patel said, wouldn’t have liked the idea of having a museum named after him. The museum, he added, “involves violence of the worst kind to the feelings of both Ghanshyamdas and Bapu”. If he still insisted on taking over Birla House, Patel suggested, Nehru should make available to Birla an alternative site in Delhi to build a house for which he would adequately compensate the government. Nehru rushed to Mussoorie to placate Birla and Patel. In 1971, Birla House finally became government property.
The relationship between leaders and businessmen is unidimensional – it’s driven by the principle of mutual benefit. And businessmen are practical (and also often unscrupulous) people. That’s why they never get into open confrontation with leaders. That Lala Shri Ram of Delhi Cloth Mills dared to take on Patel (before Independence) shows that businessmen did not see him as vindictive. In 1931, Patel, who was raising funds for the Congress, had sent Bhulabhai Desai to Lala Shri Ram for his contribution. Lala Shri Ram readily agreed to the request and paid Rs 10,000. Patel was not happy with the amount. He conveyed through Desai that a higher payment would be less expensive than a strike in the DCM mills. Lala Shri Ram was infuriated and told Desai that he wouldn’t budge under any threat. Patel realised that Lala Shri Ram could not be bullied. The two reconciled. Patel became a regular visitor to Lala Shri Ram’s house in New Delhi.
yes guha the left winger had attacked right but you know what he have to say about beloved master of ndtv:
Ramachandra Guha speaks to Madhu Trehan on his new book, Congress being a “family firm”, Hindutva hate mailers, “spineless” Manmohan Singh, the future of the Gandhis if Shastri hadn’t died, Rahul Gandhi being unfit to lead the Congress and more…
you know what he called anna hazare and kejriwal …
So what? You have this mistaken notion that if I’m attacking the Right I am somehow celebrating everything the Congress is doing! Being on one side of a political divide doesn’t mean one celebrates every actor on that side. One has to be precise in these matters. When I attack Modi on the other hand I don’t do so because he’s a BJP representative or something. I attack him for reasons specific to him. I hardly ever discuss other BJP leaders even though I am hardly ideologically sympathetic to them. On Guha he can often be very polemical (or polemically shrill depending on your tastes) but he remains one of contemporary India’s most lucid political thinkers if not the absolute most. Attacking such figures of national and international repute as simply lefties gone crazy sounds very like the Tea Party criticism of Ivy League schools and what not! Ultimately one can keep exchanging articles from all kinds of sources all day long, picking and choosing what one likes, and that’s fine upto a point but this cannot take the place of serious thought and discourse. There have to be some parameters for educated opinion. There is a Fox news view of the world which sadly the Indian Right has always exhibited in droves. Which is not to say that I agree with the Left on everything. I actually don’t. But the Right often displays this impulse to ridicule even the most basic standards of discourse and inquiry as basically vast liberal plots. One can be on any side of the ideological divide but it’s simply not serious to be so dismissive of someone of the eminence of Guha.
Finally I’ll say this as a more general matter. Just because there are two sides in a debate doesn’t mean each side is equally valid. We wouldn’t have said in Nazi Germany ‘hey the Jews are saying Hitler is doing all this stuff to them but let’s go to Hitler too for the other side of the story’! Using an extreme example but this is the logic that is often used everywhere. So for instance in the US you have Tea Party nuts on one side (by any reasonable definition) and on the other side Obama and the argument often is ‘let’s not take sides. let’s be in the center’!
Ironically many of our Indian friends ridicule the Tea Party and event the Republicans when they’re in the US but use the very same arguments against the Left in India!
so the argumets is now just like in your fantacy land white evangelist and christian protestants dominates republican here bjp is same…just checked in last election they got 47% of votes and obama just marginally ahead so what it says about your liberal u.s…
That is not all. Romney in the run up to US Presidential elections was caught by a hidden camera commenting that 47 per cent of the country was so reliant on Government services that such people would never vote for him. In other words, his own tacit admission, a substantial section of voters were alienated from him. Yet, he was not termed as a polarising figure. According to reliable surveys carried in US, born again evangelicals and White Protestants have predominantly supported the Republican Party for time immemorial only to be counterbalanced by overwhelming support to the Democratic Party by Hispanic Catholics and Black Protestants. Yet the word ‘P’ is missing within the American political discourse.
That is not all. It may be noted that California has invariably been voting Democrats since 1992 [just as Gujarat has been voting for BJP since the mid-1990s] so much so that it is now considered an impregnable Democrat fortress. But surely, California is not termed as a ‘laboratory’ for Democrats, a term repeatedly used in the context of Gujarat and BJP!
While an average Indian is used since independence to this stereotyping ceaselessly within India by our media and ‘intellectuals, what is galling to note is that of late a substantial portion of this ‘idea’ has come to be exported to other parts of the world, notably the US. In short, contrary to the popular belief that Indian media gets influenced by global media; the question is whether international media is getting increasingly influenced by the endless rants of our media? Let me amplify.
The New York Times in its editorial on October 26, 2013 while conceding that Narendra Modi “is a leading candidate to become Prime Minister of India” opines, “His rise to power is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country’s 138 million Muslims and its many other minorities. They worry he would exacerbate sectarian tensions that have subsided somewhat in the last decade.”
Is the NY Times seriously suggesting that sections of Indian voters carry a veto on a PM candidate even before India goes to polls? Obviously, it fails to realise that democratic tradition is far too deep-rooted in India even to suggest that a Prime Ministerial aspirant should be rejected on a specious plea that his rise is ‘troubling’ a section of the population or that it ‘would’ exacerbate sectarian tensions.
Implicit in this argument is that Modi is anti-Muslim and by logic a good number of Muslims are threatened by his political rise. More to the point, such an idea to short-circuit democratic process is fascist – one that would do Hitler proud, not NY Times. The news daily should know, as would the average reader that Muslims are at war all over the world. That substantially if not wholly explains why flash points of global conflicts invariably involve Muslims on one hand and all other religions on the other.
Noted scholar author Samuel P Huntington in his work The Clash of Civilisations and the remaking of world order succinctly points out that for 1400 year Christianity has a problem with Islam. Is NY Times going to blame Modi for this too? Despite these historical facts and global phenomenon, NY Times portrays as if only Muslims in India are having a problem and Modi as villain.
Provocatively, the editorial adds, Modi’s strident Hindu nationalism has fuelled public outrage. Barring usual suspects one it yet to witness public outrage on Hindu nationalism in India, it is indeed intriguing for NY Times editorial team to selectively condemn Hindu nationalism. Surely, it has failed to realise that this era of globalisation has paradoxically given rise to nationalistic fervour including in communist China. Or is it worried about Hindu nationalism in the geo-political context?
Biased? Ignorant? Command performance?
Strangely, this editorial was a follow up of a piece in NY Times by Gardiner Harris on September 17, 2013 titled, Campaign for Prime Minister in India Gets Off to Violent Start implicitly linking to elevation of Modi as its PM candidate by the BJP and the Muzzafarnagar riots of September 2013.
For starters, the very title of the article is not only misleading but a concerted attempt in maligning Modi, BJP, and of course, the whole of India as it seeks to implicitly link the ascendency of Modi to these riots. Interestingly, in its unholy hurry to paint Modi black, the author seems to have glossed over certain fundamental facts. Muzaffarnagar riots, let us not forget began in the last week of August, 2013 while Modi was elevated as BJP’s PM candidate only on September 14, 2013! And this is what happens when an author first fixes his target and then scouts for facts.
Needless to emphasise, to blame Modi for these riots retrospectively is bad journalism at best, biased reporting at worst. What the author failed to clarify is that Muzzafarnagar is not in Gujarat but in UP – a State that has witnessed over 100 riots in 2013 alone. NY Times probably does not know that under the Indian Constitution, law and order is the sole responsibility of State Government which is headed by Samajwadi Party – an avowedly pro-Muslim outfit.
However, there is not even a whisper in the piece about the complete collapse of local administration in maintaining law and order in UP. And by the extended logic of NY Times if Modi sitting a thousand kms away in Gujarat can cause riots in UP, Modi must be blamed for killings in Middle East too where Muslims are themselves killing Muslims by the dozens on an hourly basis. The article goes on to add, “By choosing Modi, a fiery orator who once peppered his speeches with anti-Muslim slurs, the Bharatiya Janata Party has raised the prospect that this election could be the deadliest in decades.” Without a scintilla of evidence for such sweeping statement, in my considered view, this is mere speculation bordering on gossip.
The [mandatory?] reference to Gujarat riots was equally sinister, “In 2002, less than a year after he was appointed the State’s Chief Minister, riots swept Gujarat and killed more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims,” clearly forgetting for a moment that there was a carnage of innocent Hindus that triggered these unfortunate events in Gujarat. The article says that “…mass rioting broke out last week in Uttar Pradesh, India’s most populous and politically important State, after a legislator from Modi’s party circulated a fake video of two Hindus being lynched by a Muslim mob.” Fake video? How did the author come to that conclusion as early as September 17 that it was fake when its authenticity is not questioned even by local administration even to this date?
Gardiner crosses the impartiality line yet again when he calls Modi an “unapologetic Hindu Chauvinist.” Is the author suggesting that Modi should apologise for being a Hindu? And what does he mean by chauvinist? Unnecessary hyperbole that demeans the stature of NY Times while conveying nothing! Importantly, does Gardiner Harris realise that one can be a Hindu or a chauvinist – not both? Does he realise that bigotry is anti-thesis to Hinduism? Has he done some research on Hinduism before using such strong language? Or has his thoughts been fashioned by sections of Indian ‘intellectuals’ who are not favourably disposed towards India?
Finally, bereft of any specific arguments, the author states Modi never apologised for the 2002 riots. Frankly, one is appalled by this idea of apology for the simple logic that either Modi is guilty or he is not. If he is guilty, an apology would not do under the law of the land. Either way, an apology can be tokenism at best not atonement. Politicians in India, let us not forget, revel in tokenism and atonement whether one is guilty or not and in the context of the unfortunate happenings in Gujarat, comes by preventing such unfortunate events in future. On this, the exemplary administrative track record of Modi speaks for its self.
After all, let us not forget that the Supreme Court of India has virtually absolved Modi of all charges against him in so far as being a willing party to the Pogrom – a fact lost on most including the author of this piece in NY Times. Given this paradigm, either NY Times is biased against Modi, BJP, Hindus or India.
anyway this guy is giving spin but keeps falling on his own trap:
dear satyam congress for years has an extensive lobby called friends of congress in u.s and it media ( its only good that overseas friends of bjp is now catching up)
u.s can can not interfere in our affairs unless we don’t wont …do you even know 55 members of indian parliament wrote along with some muslim lobby in case of narendra modi’s visa( the same m.p who now openly caught are denying the same inclunding the one from your left sitaram yechury)…why a denial be open about it to indian people
further as soon as caged parrot(cbi) became free see now what its officials are official…btww caged parrot the term was used by indian jidiciary only
Yes Rajinder prasad, Rajaji and JRD Tata were all Pygmies as they said same thing what Modi said….
Rest about Guha ( Nehru Slave, Its harsh but true) only Left leaner’s take him seriously and since the day he came on twitter, his lies are busted…
When people use Hitler ( this shows they have lost argument) they just beliitle the holocaust.
I hope ppl get copies of never released commission reports of Assam riots, abrol commision, kapoor commision and shah commision, and hope one has read if not seen the Ads all our TV and newspapers of Rajiv gandhi in 1984-85 election where sikhs were shows as Traitors. I think that is Hitler and Fascism…
Guha may be great for left leaning fellows but for rest he is simply ‘Distortian’ and Nehru is cool only in Echo chambers only and much derided figure and rightly so as re-evaluation of nehru is happening in India by common masses not by so called intellectuals sustained by his party.
We see the Mess nehru created in India is much more thn few good works he has done…
Yes IG imposes Emergency was proud moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes, Congress did forced Sterlisation in UP leading to longest ever communal riots ( moradabad) was proud moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes 4000 muslims were killed in Single day in Assam and 4000 sikhs in Delhi and 1800 in bhagalpur was proud moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes Indira G suspended Fundamental rights and wanted to take them out of constitution but for Nani Palkhivala ( Keshav bharti) was greatest moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes Nehru brought 1st amendment to curtail freedom of speech was yet another greatest moment of democracy ( I wont quote what Kriplani said to nehru)
Sins, crime and debauchery of coongress from Nehru to Rahul are endless………..
Thanks for confirming everything I said in my comment…
So what part of my Indira Gandhi comment did you not understand (think it was still in English) earlier in this thread? of course there is an epistemological problem here. How do I know all the things you mentioned actually happened? I hope I don’t have to rely on the same leftist conspiracy of media commentators and historians to get them?
But once again we get to that notorious set of mutually exclusive logical positions (I should do these on a daily basis here):
1)Modi didn’t do anything
2)Even if he did lefties just want to get him
3)Indira Gandhi did the same thing
or again:
1)Modi didn’t kill Muslims
2)Modi did so but they deserved it
3)Modi did it but so did Congress
In general Bliss your comment is so over the top that I am wrong in even responding to it and therefore dignifying it.
There’s such rage in you guys on the Right one would think you lived through Stalin’s Russia, not Nehru’s India! Even the Russians have some nostalgia for Stalin!
I don’t believe I have anything to apologize for. I stand by everything I said. You don’t need to leave the blog but if you do you should know that the lefties here will only get stronger!
This is another refuge by saying so much rage in right fellows.
I don’t indulge in rhetoric bereft of facts like you. My comment is alwys based on facts and you so far have never answered them but as usual go on circle or bringing deliberate diversions.
I dont ever expect leftie ( You) to have morality and honesty to Apologise if you cant prove me wrong …. Their game is deceit, deception and Lies and they are Masters in that. When faced with facts, they either talk of mars or indulge in labeling as they have no facts but just edifice of lies….
“I stand by everything I said”
Yes only Leftist can stand on rhetoric bereft of facts… Its usual just EGO.
But don’t you spot the elementary logical fallacy here? I am a liar, deceitful, master of spin, morally questionable (this I do plead guilty to but that’s another matter!) etc etc but somehow I must suddenly, contrary to my nature, accept ‘facts’? I’m also a bit confused about what these ‘facts’ are since I went looking for them in the books of experts but I’ve just learnt that you or Rockstar know more. So whenever you guys publish your books do let me know. I’ll make a contribution. In the meantime I’ll keep myself busy with the ISRO Mars program but I’m unsure what global leftist plot those guys are relying on for their ‘facts’. You guys have really confused me completely.
and your interpretation on others equally applies on you
why you criticize others work and films and putting down every others daily because you have freedom of speech if you can prove them wrong you can since one is an independent blogger
go back anyway since you have don’t have any other option apart from your verbose to face facts anyway you tried to spin in all direction and highjack but still no use
from where did rss and thackrey came into picture:
chalo so called spin or twisted argument ka bhi jawab suno:
rss ideolody created the second biggest party in government and is part of so long…the emergency which was created to remove democracy in india was ousted by people like jp and morarji and who was the foreign minister in janata party government:
atal bihari vajpayee( not in a single day bjp was born )
bal thackrey was ordinary cartoonist who was propped by indira gandhi only
Not sure what the CPI(M) has to do with all of this. I don’t believe I’ve been defending them. It’s the usual knee-jerk reaction in these matters to think that if one is more on the left that one must automatically agree with every left outfit out there. It is quite possible to agree loosely with a set of ideas without necessarily endorsing every political manifestation of it. The reverse is also true. I might not agree with the discourse of the Right in any context but still find many kinds far less problematic than others. It’s also about context. Which is why I have stressed on Modi and not many other BJP leaders. Now you might not agree with me but nonetheless I am not talking about the others. I could debate the CPI(M) in a different context but since I didn’t bring them up I see no connection with the present argument.
CBI is unconstitutional. The executive order/circular/notification/departmental instruction which laid the foundation/birth of the CBI dated 1st April ( lol yeah! ) 1963 is declared ultra vires ( beyond power ).
LOL,these arguments! Not going to lead anywhere.
I would just ask the Modi detractors- would you rather have this corrupt,dysfunctional Congress led alliance over Modi? Because there IS no other choice!
My answer would be a resounding yes! Much as I’d rather not vote for the Tea Party or the Republicans no matter how much the Dems screw up! Within reason of course.
Wow! Really???? Cant believe you said that.
This Govt that is dragging hundreds of millions of people down,destroying their lives and the future of the country!
Thats what who you would pick over a proven no-nonsense administrator against whom all there is a trumnped up ‘pogrom’ charge? Libertarianism isa virtue in right proportions but a disease if it colors your vision so much or renders you blind!
As an aside BJP has often been refered to as the Conservative party by Western media but it is really an unfortunate tag.
BJP has as much in common with Repulicans as Apex with Brad Pitt!
Yes but translate it to US contexts and you probably agree with me completely!
But I’d also disagree with your framing. I think the Republicans are the closest analog to the BJP in the US. Leaving this aside the idea that there’s this absolutely corrupt party on one side and simply pure, efficient administrators on the other is a bit hard to digest. On the pogroms we disagree anyway.
All of this doesn’t mean that I support the Congress in any true sense. Unfortunately democracy offers this two party blackmail in most cases and one has to sometimes just hold one’s nose and vote for one or the other!
Nice try Satyam, BJP is not even close to be compared as the Republican party but am not surprised by your choice as you have been fed the Tehlka lies for years now !!!
don’t you see the irony here? Everything you’re saying and justifying in terms of the BJP is what the Republicans and even more specifically the Tea Partiers do in a different context! Plus is it’s the same paranoia about the country falling apart and threatened by liberalism, being fed liberal media lies, so on and so forth. It’s so obvious it’s incredible you don’t see this. You could just switch the names around and everything else would hold. There’s a reason why minorities don’t like voting for the Republicans, there’s a reason why minorities don’t like to vote for the BJP (which by the way includes caste minorities, leaving aside the electoral alliances that come about among the leaders sometimes). All the exact same parallels are there. But you continue to think one situation is dramatically different from the other. Do you know why it looks that way to you? Might it possibly be because you’re part of the majority in one situation and part of the minority in another?
good points Rajen, besides corruption this Govt. is openly playing with the security of the country by contradicting its own agencies like the RAW and IB and siding with the terrorists to nail Modi.
Satyam and Co. ignore all that, jab desh hee nahee rahga toh comrades kya khaak jiyenge !!
Nitish does not arrest a clear terror suspect, to not alienate Minorities, Rahul Baba openly saying that Indian Muslims are being contacted by Pakistan, Khursheed talking about Muslim Quotas, Azam Khan openly telling the SP to not arrest Muslims, Akhilesh transferring a IAS officer for making Muslims unhappy, Shinde wants a seperat court for muslims.. Chidambaram shares stage with a Taliban …yeh sab secular hain, but BJP is communal….and not a word from the commies about all this.
Not a word about from commies about the bpmb blasts in Patna…Imagine if this would have happened in Gujrat at Rahul’s Rally…
DJ
Rooney u r a lawyer, I am a journalist. Hamara to kaam hi galtiya pakdne kai. But pls tell your CM modi to be careful. He is doing too many factual error in his speeches and oppsition is lapping on it.
Satyam
one link is ok here because you’re responding to Dj’s comment but otherwise political links and discussions should be kept away from this thread.
I think this thread is appropriate.
Saw The Purge – A very disturbing movie. There were flaws (or we can call convenience) but the basic premise has hints in current society but extrapolated in future.
“According to Diamandis, the Gates Foundation, with its focus on alleviating the suffering of the poorest, smacks of the early 20th-century philanthropy of the robber barons – men such as Andrew Carnegie and John D Rockefeller, who built and then milked monopolies before spending their later years doling out cash to worthy causes. The latest wave of techno-visionaries, he says, is focused instead on creating whole new industries capable of changing the world. “
Fifty thousand people go to a baseball game, but the game was rained out and a refund was due.
The team was about to send out refunds when someone stopped them and suggested that they send out refund amounts based on the their interpretation of fairness. After all, if the refunds were made based on the price each person paid for the tickets, most of the money would go to the richest people.
Their plan says:
– People in the $10 seats will get back $15, because they had less money to spend.
– People in the $15 seats will get back $15, because that’s only fair.
– People in the $25 seats will get back $1, because they already make a lot of money and don’t need a refund.
– People in the $50 luxury seats will have to pay another $50, because they already have way too much money to spend.
– People driving by the stadium who couldn’t afford to watch the game will get $10 each, even though they didn’t pay anything in, just because they need the most help
Obama went for a ride in a hot air balloon. After an hour he suddenly realized he was lost. He lowered his altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. He shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised some supporters I would meet with them an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”
The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.
Obama rolled his eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.
“I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”
“Well,” answered Obama, “everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”
The man smiled and responded, “You must be President Obama, the left wing Liberal.”
“I am,” replied Obama. “How did you know?”
“Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are — or where you are going. You’ve risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made lots of promises you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it’s my fault!
A decade of Government Ineptitude has come full circle. The Loony Left can shake hands with the Crazy Right.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED = YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN PERIOD
The Indian $73M shoestring budget built rocket is completing the last of its maneuvers around the earth, before it slingshots on a path to Mars. There is still time for all the members of the Capitol Hill to hitch a ride on this shining example of Government Efficiency.
Absolutely right. I was surprised at the low key in which this is being potrayed/celebrated whereas Katrina being voted no 1 in some stupid local magazine is all over the place!
“I would repeat both these points once again now. The more the anti-Modi forces work towards polarisation, the more they bring back the majority’s minority complex. It helps their adversary rather than harming him. At the same time, if at all he were to be voted to power next year, India and its institutions would change Modi (and even his BJP) rather than him being able to change India. That’s why fear can’t be the key to the voters’ mind in 2014. It will be a positive, considered choice from the options on offer. “
Will be 4 out of 4 for bjp….mizoram sadly has no other option
frankly delhi was shock as there was infighting…vijay goel was removed at last time was a great decision and it helped even though aap eat into congress
bjp can form government in bihar single handedly in future…nitish was just media face and in first term bjp has twice the number of seat(82 to 49) and another modi (shushil kumar) the deputy cm just quietly worked in back
Its good that BJP did not get majority in Delhi. Their feet will be held to the fire continuously, forcing them to provide good governance. AAP will be the Damocles sword ready to fall anytime on their head .
Congress has been swept, historical drubbing. Yet, all their leaders keep coming up with excuses. No one has the balls to point the finger at Rahul.
Well said. On Times Now, Congress spokesperson Jayanti Natarajan was having a tough time with her defensive attitude and refusal to face certain bitter truths. Far better and infinitely more graceful was Congreesman Jyotirmoy Scindia. This young man, Jairam Ramesh and the like are the good things about Congress, but sadly they will never be allowed spotlight. Clueless Rahul and the mother plus the psycophants — all will continue to take the grand old party down.
And I am extremely glad that AAP gave such a good fight to BJP. Unexpected but really pleasant and positive development.
indian express has some remaaining trait of founder goenka and his and arun shourie ethicks which made it popolar
on filmi front it was pretty sad to see maniratnam resorted to dramatics in guru in mithun’s character which has shades of ramnath goenka and maddy the touch of arun shourie
Choice. Is between good governance on one side and apathy/ corruption on other. Lets not try to paint BJP as something it is not. Neither true or smart. There is a difference between being liberal and blind/stupid!
It is not about liberal but the truth that BJP is as good or as bad as congress. Let us see whether BJP will wage a war with Pakistan and teach it a lesson or start sadbhaavan yatras.
> Lets not try to paint BJP as something it is not.
>There is a difference between being liberal and blind/stupid!
LOL. I hope you get your point.
BJP is as corrupt as Congress. It’s just not in power as widely as congress, therefore less opportunity.
Being the opposition it was thir duty to curb the corrupt pratses of congress, but why would they, they got their share of the pie too.
In other cases their (congress and BJP’s) corrupt relatives were sheltered on a bilateral basis.
One of the corrupt (the sickindu *party* – Please note omrocky I’m not addressing the religion here. It’s always party/party people)
-It tries to copy AAP (photocopying their 70 manifestos, leave alone the idea)
-AAP has been saying *for months* they’ll not form an alliance with any other party. Now Harshvardhan comes up with the stand that they will not form an alliance (chicken out. He knows he cannot sit haapily in his chair).
I think according to the constitutional provisions, it’s his moral duty to form a party.
He’s making it look like it’s on ‘principle’. Come on. Horsetrading is part of the political power grabbing that has always gone on.
BJP lost 2or 3% of the votes as compared to the last inspite of 4 more seats.
The wave here became a trough.
Jao pehley Aap party ko Aapmuslimterror party bolo ( Kejriwal shaking hands with terrorist from Bareilly, and Yogendra saying Anna’s movement was only a Hindu movement).
Jao pehley Congress ko Sicktalibani party bolo ( too many reasons to list, main is however IB and CBI mein ladai karwana)
Usskey baad, Usskey baad my Dear Old Gold AAP jis cheez ko please note karny ko bolege mai Note karoonga, main Note
Karoonga !!!!
Please note – not naming any people, just the respective party policies !!!
Clutching at straws eh? This coming from a terrorist Modi party supporter?
I support his handshake with The maulvi. Even Shankaracharaya shook hands with him. This hate politics is what AAP would like to stop. It’s time is up. Wake up.
It doesn’t matter rockstar. If AAP was such a goody-two-shoes, they would not be resorting to typical Congressi name-calling tactics. Sure indicates the kind of ‘svachta’ they want to bring to politics. Pehla mauka mila nahi aur gaali shuru.
please do, and hope you get well soon …
people like will only be happy when India is again ruled by someone like Aurangzeb, tak tak yeh log bas Katar- Katar kartey hee rahenge !!
Fir jaa kar Bill mein baith jaaenge !!!
and I don’t even like dislike Kejriwal who I think is a decent and honest man ( I had said this earlier) , but the commies who have joined his bandwagon and calling Nationalist Hindus as Sickindus who are a big problem…..
Sometimes I wonder Itna Zehar kaisey bhar gaya inn jholawallahs mien against the Hindus.
they would rather have each state as Kashmir jahan sey Hindus ko Dulati dey kar bhaga diya gaya or what ???
Omrocky– Hindus have no zehar against other Hindus. Some of us are truly secular Hindus– not ‘sickular’, a term that is hateful and sly. To me, religion should be a private thing that helps one lead life. It is not meant to be used as a political tool — though that is what happens invariably.
Why Qatar? Why not Dubai? or Oman? Or … err Saudi Arabia (very near Kaba in Mecca? LOL
Typical, isn’t it? To immediately imagine a muslim.
I live in Europe.
If some seculars use religion as votebank the sickindu party uses it as vote bank too. Look at all the brainwashed ‘religious’ fanatics it has hoarded. who then go and vote for it.
Lets just say, sensible and intelligent seculars don’t play with religion and intelligent and sensible hindus don’t support the sickindu party.
I really don’t want to get into these discussions. I don’t need to defend. You all can carry on with your hate politics.
I didn’t realise what was going on here.
I don’t mind discussing films though.
roflmao ok you are intelligent ,this or that and others are brainwashed scum:
harsh facts: the word secularism came up as 42nd amendment in 76 when indira was busy in aligning emergency and sanjay
gandhi was forcefully doing sterlisation of a community (read who)to control population it was appeasement to counter that..india has been tolerant much before and after
that as civilisation and continues to be thanks to sickindu(hindus)…india doesn’t have blasphemous where saying counterpart of that will put you into jail or where by law non muslims
cant be pm or president
neither like mecca and madina(your reference) where non muslims are allowed to enter..
opposite of secularism is communalism…its a trait not a religion and only a highly intelligent(read faggot) can used it to ridicule faith..first learn to put proper context
Some interesting takeaways from the mini-general election for which counting is now almost over are, first and most surprising, that Doordarshan News has been fastest and most unbiased in giving the state-wise updates of the election results, even as news channels generally considered more popular have dragged their feet over closely contested States, most notably Chhattisgarh. This came to public notice thanks to the habit of channel surfing during advertisement breaks, and soon became viral via the social media.
The second factor, denied or downplayed by the “Lutyens Brigade”, is the unmistakable impact of the “Modi factor” in giving an edge to the BJP campaign in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and even Delhi, though the party seems unable to form the Government. Indeed, in the absence of a clear majority, it would be a mistake to try doing so.
The third is the breathtaking performance of the fledgling Aam Admi Party and its leader, Arvind Kejriwal, who has defeated Delhi’s three-time Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit by a record margin of around 22,000 votes, forcing her to send her resignation to Lt Governor Najib Jung even before the counting is officially over. With this, mainstream media projections of Dikshit as the likely Prime Ministerial choice of the Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi after an anticipated victory in the 2014 elections have bitten the dust.
The immediate fallout for the United Progressive Alliance is an immediate question mark over financial reforms like FDI which the AAP opposes, and statehood for Telangana at the instance of a lame duck Government at the Centre. Over the next few months, it is likely that this near eclipse of the Congress in Delhi and Rajasthan, coupled with an inability to return to power in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, could compel the UPA to call for early national elections in 2014.
But by far the most important consequence of the results is that the Congress is wounded, a fact which will make Sonia Gandhi push Amethi MP Rahul Gandhi aside and directly confront BJP Prime Ministerial aspirant Narendra Modi with all guns blazing in the 2014 general election. As a direct consequence, the media and particularly the electronic media will continue a policy of overt hostility to the BJP and particularly towards the Gujarat Chief Minister. Indeed, this is already visible.
State-wise, the most important result is that of Chhattisgarh, where Dr Raman Singh has managed to defend his turf and win a third term, despite the formidable challenge posed by the Maoist-missionary combine, not to mention the mining mafia. Despite good work at grassroots level to provide the daily needs of the people through a formidable public distribution system, to boost agricultural self-sufficiency and industrial development, Singh faced the most serious challenge of his political career. The near complete eradication of the Congress State leadership in the Durbha Ghati massacre by Maoists earlier in the month of May 2013 put him on the defensive and highlighted the failure to overcome the Maoist menace.
Realising the nature of Raman Singh’s difficulty – the Supreme Court nixed the Salwa Judum tribal resistance to the Maoists, and the Centre has not extended the kind of support needed to overcome this menace which is spreading across the country – Narendra Modi spared no efforts to assist his colleague. Despite threats to his life in Patna and later in Chhattisgarh were over 400 landmine bombs were found and defused and over 500 kgs of IEDs recovered around the time of his rallies, and several SIMI activists arrested during his visits, Narendra Modi campaigned extensively for Raman Singh. After the campaigning in Chhattisgarh officially ended, he scheduled rallies in neighbouring States and addressed Chhattisgarh voters from there. Throughout the day, the close contest kept the nation on tenterhooks, till the BJP finally sealed its victory with 49 seats.
In Delhi, given the BJP’s tantalizing inability to reach the winning figure (32 seats including 1 Akali against 28 of AAP, 8 Congress and 2 others), questions are being raised about the efficacy of the Narendra Modi factor. This is incorrect as the Gujarat Chief Minister cannot be blamed for the state unit’s failure to effectively challenge Sheila Dixit through 15 years of misgovernance, price rise, crime, and massive corruption, particularly in the Commonwealth Games, Delhi Transport Corporation, electricity bills, water crisis, and so on.
It is pertinent that when the new State unit chief, Vijay Goel, began to sideline leaders who had lost public confidence and to target the Congress more pointedly, a revolt backed by top leaders scuttled his plans completely. Thereafter, a flawed ticket distribution gave weightage to the leaders who have lost their own seats, or whose protégés lost. Ironically, the only political legacy to survive the people’s verdict is that of late Sahib Singh Verma, whose son managed to win from Mehrauli, far from the former Chief Minister’s bastion in Outer Delhi.
The lesson to the BJP high command is that those who imagine they can dictate to the people by controlling the levers of power in the party will get their reality bites. That BJP still managed to pose a credible challenge to Congress and emerge as the single largest party is entirely because of Narendra Modi’s charisma; he galvanized the youth and disillusioned middle class voters who were drifting towards the AAP. The BJP needs to revisit the tendency to distribute tickets on the basis of cronyism rather than winnability and performance at the grassroots. Expecting a ‘wave’ to carry undeserving candidates to victory is willful hallucination.
In Madhya Pradesh, thanks to hard work and high personal popularity, Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan led the party to a handsome third innings with 165 seats at the time of writing, well above the half-way mark. Similarly, Vasundhara Raje stormed back to power with 162 seats against a meagre 21 by Congress (at the time of writing).
One message from the election is to the Supreme Court – the ‘None of the Above’ innovation was largely irrelevant and entirely forgettable. A country the size of India cannot afford the luxury of spin-off elections. While the established political parties might be able to afford some re-election campaigns, these tilt the playing field against new entrants like the AAP which lack resources. Indeed, if Delhi needs a fresh election in the next six months, the decline in the AAP’s fortunes could establish this fact. It would be best to leave the conduct of elections to the Election Commission.
Finally, Narendra Modi addressed 170-odd rallies in the four States and definitely made a mark upon the results, as Rajasthan leader Vasundhara Raje has generously acknowledged. But as the results in Delhi and Chhattisgarh show, complacency would be ill-advised. BJP president Rajnath Singh must now speed up the process of bringing back Karnataka estranged leader BS Yeddyurappa back into the fold. In the States where BJP does not have a meaningful presence, it would be wise to look at credible local candidates or parties that can boost its overall tally in 2014. Above all, it would be wise to politely disregard the guidance or interference of leaders whose electoral appeal is a thing of the past. This has already cost the party a possible victory in the Capital.
Bang on target analysis. “Indeed, if Delhi needs a fresh election in the next six months, the decline in the AAP’s fortunes could establish this fact.”
A re-election will give the BJP a chance to shuffle out their losing candidates and place stronger ones in front of the AAP winners, a lot of whom won by slim margins. This may not actually play out well for the AAP.
The Congress on the other hand should’ve kept the ear to the ground and anticipated this drubbing. Had the Congress actually not been in their blind hubris, they might’ve had the vision to hold Lok Sabha elections alongwith these state elections. There is no way they can re-group before the Lok Sabha elections (totally laughable for Rahul to say he will adopt the ‘Kejriwal Model’ now!). They will lose allies, and even face defections with this huge writing on the wall. Ambitious straps and local leaders will jump ship very soon. They might’ve actually saved some seats by holding LS elections now, because Modi’s full impact across the nation would not have been felt. This result gives a big shot in the arm to Modi, and a big deflation to Congress prospects.
modi initially refused to campaign in delhi because of infighting and at others insistence vijay goel was changed to replace with harshvardhan as cm candidate and it worked
It is like getting 85 percent and yet not getting a seat in the best college. The cutoff is 99.5 percent.
Indian public can make parties get nightmares like this.
Congress party must be watching the Delhi drama with amusement.
Sharad Pawar says that the people do not respect weak leaders. The coalition partners were and are blackmailing the central government and in those circumstances can any government be called strong?
Coalition politics is as dirty as having too many partners to please.
Next general election may throw up similar scenario.
Let us have permanent President’s rule so that expenditure on elections can be saved and used to provide roti, kapda, makaan, bijli, paani , education, health, good roads, less inflation. Let the politicians work for the people instead of working for themselves.
>Congress party must be watching the Delhi drama with amusement.
Well. If it helps them – to drown their sorrows.
>Coalition politics is as dirty as having too many partners to please.
Thanks to AAP, there will be no coalition.
They have been saying for months they wouldn’t form a coalition in any situation, an so now the corrupt copycat BJP wants to decalre the same.
The, who employ all shady tactics to form a government by hook or crook doesn’t want to do it, in case they look bad when compared to AAP’s principles. LOL!
Of course they can still do that. They can still do all.
If the media was so good, exposing corruption what more does one want.
Recently a lot of making breaking took place in … can’t remember where…it was being discussed in relation to Delhi situation yesterday.
I know people are unable to believe that there is a party who would not be broken in spite of attempts, nor does it want to ally itself.
People who take it as just another party have probably not being following it’s ways and behaviour and everything in detail.
Only the meeting of AK with Maulana Tareeq etc made it’s way to the news.
>BJP has 40+% in delhi and AAP has 11% mla’s with criminal record.
Have you EDUCATED YOURSELF enough to FIND OUT what these criminal cases are against AAP?
This 11% = 7 members, and they are ALL for demonstrating against the police refusal to register FIR’s , in ‘gudiya’ case, and a case involving a married woman, etc etc.
It’s a shame that when somebody has finally stood up against the corrupt parties the very people who list out scams here (of course by the party they don’t support) are now mocking and trying to spread false information.
THIS IS THE MAJOR REASON WHY CORRUTION EXISTS!!!
One cannot rule out some AAP elected people getting corrupt (saying this to make the non corruptiuon supporters happy here, I believe the chance is quite remote) – they will not continue in office. Provisions have been made in the manifesto for this – unlike anti corruption talk BJP has started adopting. AAP has certainly changed the colour of politics in India.
Then it’s an incorrect education.
Here’s the correct one;
Anyone with a non corrupt background can join AAP, even if he’s from the other corrupt parties, because there must be some there who aren’t.
But they weren’t given any ticket.
In fact just today he has again given a call to all those who would like to join them (including other parties) – but not for getting tickets.
The people chose their candidates by vote. They went through a rigorous screening before chosen.
Here’s a clip where the candidates themselves explain how they were chosen.
AAP has a got a golden chance to prove that they are not mere just ‘occupy’, but a responsible party and committed for betterment of Delhi and India. I have been watching AK interview on the TV and found him arrogant and reluctant to take responsibilities and not seeing any vision in his words, rather he looks more focused on taking on the established govt or political system. Agitation is the easiest of the job to do in a democratic system and administration to the true values of democracy and constitution is the hardest job.
There’s a lot of misleading provocation for AAP from all around. Comments like;
This is a Golden opportunity.
Show responsibility.
Are you afraid?
Such condescension is what is actually extremely arrogant.
What makes people think it’s a golden opportunity? 8 seats behind in being a majority?
Isn’t BJP in a more golden position with 4 less?
It will be the end of AAP if it takes anyone’s (BJP/Congress) help.
And the people offering advice so kindly, know it.
This PUSHING AAP instead of BJP is the first attack/obstacle of many to come which the AAP party will have to face coming from the two corrupt parties and their supporters to make things difficult. Parties which wanted supprt of fake stings, and donation complaints is suddenly looking to AAP and offering it this Golden Opportunity.
People are not fools to believe this.
Nandan nilkeni could not implement UID project properly which was supposed to be equivalent to SSN in usa. Instead it was misused to provide legal status and direct money transfer to potential voters, Party Workers, illegal migrants in Maharastra and U.P./delhi for vote bank politics. Supreme court has dismissed UID requirement to provide any benefit because of its misuse in recent incidents. 75000 cr Taxpayer’s money went waste.
I think if done in proper fashion it is good to have. Of course there are privacy concerns and misuse but that happens with SSN or any form of global ID. There would be cost associated with it but it should be less if done without Governmental bureaucracy.
Many countries of some form of number: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identification_number
A lot of hype is being created around Mr Nandan Nilekani, who would, as the reports say, be given Congress ticket for fighting Lok Sabha poll from Bangalore South constituency against the five-time elected BJP MP, Ananth Kumar.
Mr Nilekani should not forget that Infosys Ltd, of which he was one of the 10 founding members and had risen to the highest post of CEO and MD, not only believed in high ethics and ideals, but also practiced them. It was because of this Infosys was able to create a respectable place among the clients. But would Mr Nilekani be able to tell the voters, if they ask, about his association with Congress and whether it practices the same kind of ethics and principles as Infosys did during his association with the company? Mr Nilekani must perhaps not forget that before him Mr Shashi Tharoor came with a lot of promise in Indian politics, but alas he turned out to be like any other crooked corrupt politician, perhaps only a sophisticated version.
Dear Mr Nilekani – with due respect to you and to what you have contributed to the IT industry at large, it was weird of you to not have weighed the pros & cons before getting on the Aadhar wagon. Added to that, there is a school of thought which believes that Aadhar is a high potential scam project, much bigger than 2G. After all, it was passed through the executive committee outside the Parliament rather than the conventional constitution route.
R. Ramakumar of the Tata Institute of Social Sciences in Mumbai said “the UID would be an alibi for the state to leave the citizen unmarked in the market for social services.”
It was widely believed and propagated that the Government held Aadhar enrolment mandatory through consumer essentials like Gas, which in itself speaks about the lacunae in the project. In fact there were businesses set up for managing kiosks that would let card holders avail of these services.
“No benefit of service shall be denied on account of non-possession of Aadhar, and no illegal immigrants would be issued Aadhar,” a Supreme Court bench said in an interim order yesterday while dealing with a public interest litigation that challenged the scheme’s constitutional validity and the indiscriminate manner in which the government was issuing the card.
Like RBI Governor D Subbarao said, “thank God the Supreme Court exists in India”. The Aadhar card was meant to be a “voluntary” scheme for those people who could not get any other form of identity proof. The Government was trying to push it through the backdoor without associated privacy laws safeguarding the privacy of individual data. This also is against the constitution of India which guarantees “equality before law” for all citizens. The Constitution makers did not push for one set of benefits for people with Aadhar and people without Aadhar are not second-class citizens – as long as they can establish their identity.
To begin with, did Aadhar ever have the potential to be successful in a country like India? Millions of Indians live all their lives on the streets, where do they keep this card? Most of the farmers and labourers do not have fingerprints of the quality that can be captured, because of the manual work they perform. Additionally there are many districts across 9 states where Government cannot enrol people because of Naxal problems. And Kashmir? And the North-east? Ah well!
In fact, there are even people who have applied for more than one Aadhar card. If the system allows even one such instance, the Project has failed its purpose.
Apart from this, many people in remote villages do not have any identity proof. In that case, UID relies on guarantors, people who can tell about the person. So in such scenario, any Pakistani or Bangladeshi can be allotted UID number easily, because we know how easy it is to manage a guarantor. Aadhar Card is Congress’s way to legalise illegal intruders all around over borders. Simple and straight – Aadhar is a failed project as it is given even to Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Burmese, but not genuine Indians. I have some instances quoted below which indicate to what extent the card has already been exploited:
1. A woman of Bangladeshi origin who slipped into India 18 months ago, and is involved in flesh trade in Hyderabad was arrested in Nov, 2012 (TOI) who is possessing Aadhar card, Ration card, and even Voter Id.
2. In old city of Hyderabad, Police found to their surprise that around 10000 Aadhar cards lying in a dust bin (Kuppathotti) in March 2013 (TOI). Neither Postal Department nor the Police let alone the vendor who took details of persons in that area, know such large number of cards not reaching applicants but the garbage bins. Police suspected there is a parallel Aadhar issuing authority in Old city, for its Muslim vote banks, but cannot tell it publicly for fear of allegation of ‘minority harassment’
3. Burmese Muslims made their way to Hyderabad since October 2012, thanks to MIM. But sooner these guys also started flaunting Aadhar cards in Public.
Well, what about Indian citizens then?
1. A friend received his card having wrong contact details and DOB. When I approached local authority, they simply said ‘you are lucky to get the card, so dont worry for the rest’
2. A friend applied for Aadhar card on 11.11.2012 but still hasn’t received it. Will he vote for you?
3. A Friend who lives in West Bengal is unable to find any Aadhar centre close to Haldia. It is so difficult. I understand it will be an important document, but no initiative is taken to setup centres across India
4. Another friend remarked: My mother frequently uses my ATM card to withdraw cash. Using Aadhar in ATMs would mean the cardholder will need to be present in person to provide his/her biometrics, this will be a huge inconvenience to me.
The biggest shortcoming this project suffers from is the absence of Data Security laws in India. This implies that your details can be shared with other NGOs and social institutions, in fact can be sold for a hefty amount. Why would anyone want to give any unknown institute his finger print, eye scan, and identity details.
Also the UID database query access is shared among partnering agencies/private players (3rd parties) based on the agreement drawn upon by UIDAI (behind the scenes). The database storage is again a concern, it’s currently being outsourced to foreign companies. The AFIS technology they are using in this project has never been tested for such a huge database. It has been used for some 1 lakh people.
1. Your data is being captured (enrolled) by private players. The operators that capture these details have little knowledge of the whole system, thus there are blunders in data capture itself. There have been instances were instead of photograph of a person, images of objects were captured.
2. The vendors hold this data for some time. The data can be grossly misused. 2 months back a Bangladeshi person was arrested in Mumbai. He had 110 genuine UID cards/numbers with him.
3. The government will ultimately provide authentication service to private companies against some fees. This compromises your security
4. Having all your financial and personal data, govt. can prove anybody anything – a terrorist may be. They can implicate you in false cases.
Aadhar was launched with the vision of providing an all-purpose card which would reduce possibility of impersonation in property and other transactions and eliminate subsidy leakage. However with privacy compromised, ease of intruders from neighbouring countries getting merged with Indian citizenship rights and the pain one takes to obtain a proper valid card, wonder what good Mr Nilekani’s card would ever do.
Ironically, the only good thing about Aadhar is that now Chinese don’t have to hack into many organisations – they will get everything at one place!
If you are a Kashmiri or a resident of any of the north eastern states, securing an Aadhar card is just about get more difficult.
That’s because the Intelligence Bureau has in a report to the government suggested a re-think while issuing the cards on a blanket basis.
The IB has also sought to run background checks of those working at the Unique Identification Authority of India centres, especially in militancy-hit Jammu and Kashmir and insurgency-hit north-eastern states.
The agency report states, ‘We would like to run background checks of those issuing the cards or working with the UIDAI.’
An IB source told rediff.com, “These are troubled states with a lot of problem relating to terrorists. There has to be a background check and thorough scrutiny at least in these states before a card is issued.”
“These are very important proposals and need to be considered and implemented before the process is complete. Extra precaution needs to be taken,” the source said.
The IB has raised several other points with the government.
The IB states that issuing the Aadhar card to an NRI or a foreign citizen living in India must be scrutinised on the lines of the National Population Register.
Prior to addition to the NPR, a government official visits and verifies the residence of the NRI or the foreign citizen living in India. The IB feels that a similar process must be followed for Aadhar enrolment too.
The intelligence bureau in its report to the Home Ministry also stated that unless and until the process followed under the NPR is implemented, the Aadhar card should not be treated as a residence proof.
The home ministry is studying these recommendations and is expected to take a call on the matter soon
It is Kejriwal who is the real threat to BJP and Modi.
BJP encouraged Kejriwal and he has turned out to be the real challenger to it.
The mentor tried his best to humiliate Kejriwal by some of his statements but after Kejriwal’s success, he is trying to build bridges with his former Shishya.
Now everyone is watching Kejriwal. What will be his next move? Will he extend the Delhi formula to other congress ruled states like Maharashtra?
It has become Kejriwal versus Modi to win India and Indians while congress is licking its wounds. UPA’s allies are not very clean and they may want to align with the winning horses. Will this be allowed by AAP and sully its clean image?
>BJP encouraged Kejriwal and he has turned out to be the real challenger to it.
LOL
Kejriwal and AAP are like a chicken in an open field with hawks hovering above to attack, grab, kill – whatever the opportunity makes possible.
I don’t think you have been following his life history and progress from the beginning.
There are those accusing him of attacking only BJP and not congress as much.
Then there is this Kiran Bedi (another hawk) coming up very innocently to say ‘first try out with BJP and then if it doesn’t work go for another election’ – what a cunning person.
It’s like telling a vegetarian eat meat. She knows AAP will end the moment it joins the very people who are corrupt (what he’s fighting against).
So apart from Anna and BJP who else is responsible for Kejriwal’s and AAP’s success? Keep listing. Very entertaining and amusing.
What about quoting what AAP said?
Do you want to hang him for making a personal statemnt which in no way harms/breaks/ the country? This pretence of deshbhakti by people who get shocked by such comments rather than the real things that are destroying the country is amazing.
Maybe he feels 100% sure that people will want to stay with India so a referendum won’t harm PLUS bring about a solution to the problem where soldiers keep dying. Believe me, it’s an extremely tragic situation for family members.
Anyway he seems to be offering solutions all the time which the party hasn’t approved of.
Prashant kept saying, this offer will not come about given are opposite ideologies etc etc, and it isn’t realistic to even think BJP would sign it. This part isn’t being quoted. Just like the fake ‘sting operation’ LOL
I’ve been searching for the COMPLETE inteview which I saw, but it seems to have been removed, but theirs a ‘fake’ sting like clip from it, but you’ll hear him sying he doesn’t think BJP id capable of turning away from their corrupt was to do this.
He clearly said it’s his personal opinion – and interviewer pointed out the same.
He said this to show how IMPOSSIBLE it would be to join them BECAUSE they wouldn’t do ‘this’, but as these people are the interviewer saw this as spice and kept on and on over this – till the BJP man himself said lets not discuss this, because he didn’t think Prashant’s was a serious offer – in fact he used the phrase ‘off the cuff’.
I don’t even think you’re reading my comments.
You want to flood the thread with some views that you’d wish to give importance to.
AAP, Kejriwal has said thousands of things – which really matter!!! Quote those – and learn – and teach your party!!!
Have you seen their detailed 70 manifestos, (Which BJP photocopied and published as thier own)?
It’s only the corrupted parties and their supporters who’ll give these things importance over scams, and the state of the country.
And to wind up this useless discussion with you, because our paths are different.please reflect and analyse what you are giving importance to.
I care nothing for these so called accusations that you’ve posted.
Discuss things that matter to the aam aadmi
You are BJP so ofcourse you approve. Even you would want AAP to take this deathly step and disappear into oblivion.
She’s pushing forces of BJP to spread an image of Kejriwal as trying to shrug responsibility – No ifs and buts.
They still haven’t learnt their lesson that people are not stupid anymore. They didn’t get swayed by fake stings, fake accusations ans this present fake advice by Kiran Bedi.
Oh please stop.
If Kiran Bedi did well as a policewoman doesn’t mean she knows what AAP should do?
She doesn’t apply to AAP. She kept her distance all through AAP’s struggle and now comes in to advice?
She should continue her support of corrupt BJP and stop interfering with AAP.
It’s clear that you belong to one of the corrupt parties BJP.
Their muddas on which they want to bring parties down and their scams is well known – what you’re doing here.
I don’t even know what you want to prove here.
I’m fed up of your explotitive, half baked information that you’re bringing in here.
Your mischief is clear. The later developments and AAP’s view, like the fake sting are not mentioned.
Please don’t involve me in this kind of discussion where you produce half the information to create mischief. You’ve already wasted my time in searching for the Prashant interview to complete your information.
never knew bjp was corrupt child of hazare…sahi hai but highest award given to him in other government: last heard he was founding member of iac along with bedi and kejriwal
A bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan, Justices P Sathasivam and B N Chauhan declined to entertain the PIL against a Delhi High Court judgement which had upheld the decision of NHRC giving a clean chit to Delhi police.
The Apex Court pulled up the petitioner and asked his counsel Prashant Bhushan ‘How was a police officer killed if the boys were innocent and how is it that they were armed?’ The Apex Court also said, ‘Thousands of police officers have been killed in terrorist attacks and if inquiry is ordered after one year, it will cause harassment to the innocent people and will demoralise the police force.’ Earlier, Mr Bhushan contended before the court that the Batla house encounter has shaken the fate of large number of people belonging to a particular group. The annoyed Apex Court retorted ‘criminal is a criminal and it is wrong to identify such criminals with a particular group of people.’ The Apex Court also described the contention of the counsel for the petitioner as an ‘imaginative story.’ Delhi Police inspector Mohan Chand Sharma was shot dead by the alleged terrorists, two of whom were also killed when the police returned fire. The incident had taken place last year in Dr Zakir Hussain Nagar in Okhla, South Delhi.
Yes, but what use are Anna Hazaare’s awards to the people? Even Kejriwal has Megasaysay award. How does it help the aam aadmi’s daily life problems?
Bigger question – where is his movement going? Where did it go? Did BJP let anything happen? Did he support the bill in parliament? Did Modi pass RTI in Gujarat?
What are you talking? You want to fool people with empty uselss talk?
BJP will never support Anna’s aims. apne pairon par kulhadi maarnewali baat hai for BJP to support Anna.
In the early 2000s Hazare led a movement in Maharashtra state which forced the state government to enact a revised Maharashtra Right to Information Act. This Act was later considered as the base document for the Right to Information Act 2005 (RTI), enacted by the Union Government. It also ensured that the President of India assented to this new Act.[48]
On 20 July 2006 the Union Cabinet amended the Right to Information Act 2005 to exclude the file noting by the government officials from its purview. Hazare began his fast unto death on 9 August 2006 in Alandi against the proposed amendment. He ended his fast on 19 August 2006, after the government agreed to change its earlier decision
And of course because of what AAP/Prashant Bhushan said 100s of children were deprived from going to school, women got raped, and the common man’s life went down into doldrums.
For the last time – I don’t care for this. Talk about issues.
I’m not bjp not congress to get into this kind of thing where you want to use straws as whip to whip AAP.
Talk about the BJP scams now. Enough of this uselss talk.
As I said – you aren’t reading my comments. Another reason to stop discussion.
I’ve already mentioned that both congress and BJP (haath mein kamal ka phool party) have passed bills that are pretty useless and DOESN’T PREVENT CORRUPTION.
Are you thinking clearly? Do you really imagine both the parties are going to provide information which is true?.
Here’s a scenario;
haath mein kamal ka phool parties; Here is information about our funds Rs1lakh.
aam aadmi; who gave it?
HMKKPP; oh that’0s not necessary it was in 5 bits of 20, 000 each.
Don’t want such RTI. You seem to be getting some financial bribe to be spreading this false information – aankhon mein dhool
wali information
Otherwise why are you even aggreeing with this fakeness and false activities?
I posted this in the wrong place. I hope someone will delete the comment above;
I see your desperation Rockstar.
Do you think that bringing Kashmir point to beat AAP, you’re helping the Kashmir issue? That’s how both the corrupt parties deal with any problem, and you’re towing the line well.
What did BJP do for the Kashmiris when they were in power? Did they include them in the ‘Shining India’ slogan? Was Kashmir shining then?
How does Prashant Bhushan’s comment have any effect on anything in Kashmir or any governmental policy?
Is this the extent your desperation will take you to?
I have full confidence as and when AAP is in a position to tackle these problems they will do something better than the other parties.
haath main kamal ka phool ho ya jhaadu ya haath main anything its done by credible administration not rabble rousing and by proving yourself…its perfomance of adminstration
grow up and ya you have told 7-8 to stop and still you only come back not me or how long you keep making joke of yourself
you start with calling others hawk, sickindoo, talked about hazares corrupt child, called others absurd…i did nothing just proved you wrong,,,can understand the furstration carry on and on your so called personal attacks on me sorry you are not that important to comment on…i comment on quotes
Criminal case recommended against Teesta Seetalvad for misusing foreign funds
Crime Branch of Ahmedabad police has recommended to file criminal case against activist Teesta Setalvad under section 406 and 420 for misusing of foreign fund received to build museum in Gulburg society and cheating the residents of the society.
The report has been submitted to the Gujarat State Government which will now be forwarded to the Central Government for further action as Foreign Contribution Regulation Act(FCRA) is under Centre’s purview.
Members of the Gulburg Society in Ahmedabad had earlier filed a legal notice against Teesta Setalvad for embezzling funds meant for the victims of the 2002 riots in Godhra.
Setalvad’s NGO, Citizens for Jutice and Peace has been collecting donations for the ‘welfare’ of the residents of the society which suffered attacks by violent mobs during the riots in 2002.
The notice, signed by twelve Gulburg residents, says that RTI queries have revealed that Setalvad collected huge donations from national and international organisations in the name of providing financial assistance for reconstruction of houses or developing the society into a museum. But despite collecting foreign donation of Rs 63 lakh in the account of CJP and Rs 88 lakh in the account of Sabrang Trust, nothing has been passed on to the members of society.”
The residents had also sent an application to the Police Commissioner, requesting him to ban CJP from organising an annual event on February 28 in memory of the riot victims.
All those who are gloating over the 11% people in AAP charged with corruption, here are the details over which I had to search high and low.
Half information is NOT correct information.
-Arvind kejriwal has a case of Defamation filed by the political secy. of sheila dikshit for calling her an agent of the power distribution company.
-Manish sishodia and shazia ilmi has case against them for holding demonstration outside the house of the chief minister where these are banned.
-Two others have case against them by the police for obstructing policemen doing their duty, and vandalism inside a police station (?) when the police were not registering the FIR against a gang rape case.
Total eight of them were taken into custody, their bones were broken and then case registered against two.
In all, these are the five cases !
Now if they are to be bracketed with the corrupt of other parties for murder/rape/scams etc it is not my problem.
I have to say, after sitting through innumerable debates on NDTV after the elections what has come out is the very rude, aggressive, and jhagdalu BJPaadmis. Terrible. They talk and monopolise the time leaving others with comparatively less.
Also there’s a sudden deluge of BJPaadmis on the net. They are flooding AAPsite with bad comments. Earlier it wasn’t that much, but now they have overridden the threads.
ufffff!!
Wow looking at this thread, it seems bollywood fans are heavily immersed in armchair politics. I shudder to think about the thread size during the general elections.
Sometimes, I feel BJP should come to power and remain in power for longest period of time to see where we all channel our political frustrations !
The armchair intellectuals / the educated class can have a go with the issues at hand. Bole toh dil ki bhadaas nikaal lo party ko power mein laakar. BJP / Shiv Sena came to power in 90s and the same people were fed up very soon and went back to Congress for a 10 year rule. In fact I understand businesses/ people were so frustrated by Shiv Sena in Mumbai that they may never return to full power for a very long time. There were known extortions and bullying in the name of desh sewa. Somehow I have also held this notion that minorities are better protected and better off with some of these in power.
For the rest part I have come to believe BJP/NDA kya ghanta ukhaad legi? Corruption is the biggest threat to our nation and they are themselves heavily corrupted. The change has to come within the people itself and for that – the white collared and the privileged lot in prominent position need to have integrity and dedication which we Indians sadly don’t have. Truth is all of them are opportunist and at the moment the biggest chor and corrupt are the educated lot, the bureaucrats who are bankrupting the country whenever given a chance and involved in high level corruption and power grabbing.
Politcians ko zabardasti badnaam kiya hua hai …the real culprits are the people who hold positions and engage in judicial abuse.
If you’re hinting at me, I’m NOT an armchair poltician.
This is the first time in my life that I’ve taken an interest otherwise it was a depressive state to have to choose between congress and BJP – both corrupt and scamloving self serving parties.
I’m sincerely hoping for something here, that’s why I’m in it and supporting AFTER studying things, and not because I’m interested in this or that political party.
If people can participate more, it interests me.
No, neither to you Oldgold or anyone specific but in general looking at the thread size and continuous back and forth. While these conversations are definitely healthy, these have hardly any meaning in the real world. Its all about our inbuilt values. I have had few close contacts very vocal on the going on and when they got in a position to do something, simply took the quick route to amass a great amount of wealth through wrong means and bribes.
On the country well being – we should get integrated with world economy more and more. What we need for our growth and development is to pray and hope for – continuous rise of Chinese power as we are the most suited to counter that threat in the region and get westerners interested in our rise and success. This single handedly will remove whatever is ailing our system albeit slowly
There is corruption in every country in the world. A 680M website that shouldve not cost more than 20M reeks of corruption. The utopia of no corruption can never be achieved.
In India, the real need is to ensure that govt completes the projects it starts, in timely and efficient manner. They will skim 20-30%, every country in the world has that 30% top skim rate, but at least they finish their projects and provide the basic services to people. Also, to remove govt corruption, they need to bring public sector salaries in line with private sector salaries.
Tax collection has to be strictly enforced. Indian IT has not teeth, why will they enforce collection if they are not given any rewards? Every Western country has generous incentives given to their Tax collectors. If Indian govt promises to give 25% of the raided amount to the raid team, why would that team settle with the perpetrator for 5-10%? And if the perpetrator knows that it takes upwards of 25% bribe, why would he/she avoid paying the 30% tax?
Off course, mothing can happen unless massive employment is created within the country. The Chinese do this by undemocratic means, ie removal of unions that create barriers to increasing workforce. Beyond that, minimum wage needs to be established and strictly followed up on. And the top
completion of project on deadline will again come up with danda and monitoring but when sommeone like nandan the head of infosys encourages buerocracy in aadhar or when for introduction of food security bill or for rahul gandhi as pm amartya sen allows himself to be pawn
intial rise of modi 6 year back started with that by doing things especially in central and north india much before now
with due respect to i.t now is bodyshop nothing more
nehruvian model of governance is the huge cause for corruption in heart that is buerocracy
ll politics may be local, but business is global, and the business of Narendra Modi’s Gujarat is business. An approach that has enabled Modi to ensure that practically all households in his state have access to (uninterrupted) electricity and power. A change from Gurgaon, where the (Haryana) state and Central treasuries get mounds of taxes that get repaid in the form of crater-filled roads, power shortages, water disruptions and an administration unbothered about anything other than raising cash for itself and for its political masters. Gurgaon shows better than anything else the disconnect between public administration and private in India, with skyscrapers needing huge dollops of diesel for power, and employees spilling over onto streets that war-ridden Afghanistan would be ashamed of.
Gurgaon represents Nehruvian India, a state where the sole purpose of the administration is self-perpetuation and the squeezing of surplus from citizens not privileged to be “New British”, i.e. officials or politicians. It is a construct that has been embraced by both these groups, for the power it gives them over the lives of ordinary citizens. Just as British apologists for colonial loot talked of the “civilising” effects of the Raj, claiming that everything from railways to roads would never have come about but for them, India’s post-1947 New British chatter incessantly about “democracy”, a system whereby less than a dozen families rule over three-fourths of those elected to state and national legislatures. Talking to those whose workplace is atop Raisina Hill, it is difficult not to imagine that they consider themselves to be the rulers of a vast colony, which is the rest of India. That they, and they alone, have the right to decide matters that affect any state, any district. Indeed, that the rest of the country is simply incapable of self-governance.
Although India has gone the opposite way of Pakistan, where the share of minorities in the total population has fallen to less than a tenth of what it was pre-1947, this country has had its ethos shamed by repeated pogroms, whether of Dalits or of Sikhs or of Muslims, or even of “caste” Hindus. Delhi 1984 or Mumbai 1993 were inexcusable, as much so as the violence that stained Gujarat after the massacre of karsevaks in Godhra. None of the high-level policymakers involved in incidents previous to (or after) the Godhra riots of 2002 have faced the criticisms focused on Narendra Modi. The crescendo of hate that daily crests towards Modi may be partly based on the fact that Nehruvians are aware that the Gujarat Chief Minister represents their antithesis, in a way that Atal Behari Vajpayee or Jyoti Basu never could be. The only periods when a genuine non-Nehruvian became PM was when Morarji Desai and P.V. Narasimha Rao occupied that post. Both were subjected to vitriol by overt and covert defenders of the Nehru ethos, whether these be in politics or in academe or in the media.
Nehruvian ideology and methods are based on the implicit belief that the Raj was the best thing that ever happened to India, and that therefore its institutions, mindset and laws ought to be retained in their entirety. That the people of India are not mature enough to be trusted with superintending their own destinies, and therefore need to constantly check back with some minion or the other of the administration before being allowed to do even simple tasks. Simply put, the politico-administrative elite that replaced the British in 1947 are the only adults in the country, and the rest are just children. Small wonder that Indians have not been given the access to the internet bandwidth that others in Asia enjoy, or while Japan has 5G, India still crawls along with 3G, where that service is available at all. The choke points that the British erected succeeded in emasculating the Indian economy. The continuation of the colonial policy of excessive regulation ensures that India grows at a speed less than half of the 15% that the genius of its people would easily achieve, if only they were given the same conditions that are enjoyed by counterparts in other countries.
Enter Narendra Modi. All of him is Indian, none of him owes anything to Raj influences. Were he to ever become Prime Minister, he would be unlikely to go the Vajpayee way, accepting the Nehru model of governance, including in foreign and education policy, rather than ensuring that the country move on from the shadow of the British occupation. Modi wants the English language to spread in India, but not British attitudes. He trusts domestic industry and wants it to expand to foreign shores, rather than dwarf them in favour of foreign companies. Only in Nehruvian India can the civil servant who crafted the laws and regulations that enabled Vodafone to avoid paying nearly $4 billion in taxes on a wholly India-based transaction continue to enjoy his or her retirement. In a country less enslaved by its colonial past, the person would have been brought to account. In Gujarat, Modi has not followed the model of the man responsible for ensuring that Jawaharlal Nehru got anointed to continue the legacy of the Raj, but Vallabbhai Patel. Those who want to know what India would have looked like under 17 years of Patel need only go to Modi’s Gujarat.
hese days, internet fora gush venom on Narendra Modi, not by Muslim or Christian voices but by those who claim to be “pure” Hindutva followers. His destruction of roadside temples irks them, as does his refusal to give them a voice in administrative matters, the way Nehruvians always do. The post-Godhra riots were a huge blot, but thereafter, there has not been a single death due to communal — or caste — violence in Gujarat. As Chief Minister, Modi is now stressing the neutrality of the administration in matters of faith, which of course is very different from the Nehruvian polity, which incessantly tells the Muslim community — the strongest single group in the country and a force with powerful international resonance — that they are helpless victims rather than masters of their own fate. The Indian people are one, and deserve better than to be always told that each is different from the other. Ten years after Godhra, the state seems to have moved on, the way Mumbai did after the 1993 horror or Delhi after the genocidal attack on Sikhs in 1984. Should Narendra Modi ever become PM, he would consign to history the Nehruvian system as surely as Deng Xiaoping took China away from Mao Thought in the 1980s. Small wonder that Nehruvians across the world have united against him.
Did they just get up from sleep??
NOOOOOWWW they tell us that it’s impossible to reduce price by 50%???
Did someone pay them to write this? Ambani? Is he frightened that the lower price wil cut into his pockets and drop him lower in the list of richest men in the world?
They didn’t even do their homework to come up with this crap. By including BJP (who’s taking all tips from AAP) in this, they hope to sound just and fair.
If they wanted to criticise AAP’s plan then they should have read AAp’s manifesto and the detailed step by step plan of how they would bring about this cut. Not only that but at their site they had painstakingly explained in various live programmes, and answered questions.
They can still go there and watch the video and read their manifestos/or just about electricity.
After doing their homework, they should have proved every point that AAP has on paper as impossible practically, then one would have given the article a thought about whether they should be believed or not.
This article just puts forth their plan which does not allow such a cut and shows how impossible it is.
When will media stop fooling the people?? How does one get rid of this corruption? By making strict laws to punish false information etc . I think it’s doable
It isn’t interesting at all. It’s rhetorical, repetitive and wants to propogate ‘Modi wave’.
In fact the article gradually zeros on trying to prove that there’s a wave. The fact that some of the places (not sure of the numbers, but heard at least 2) where Modi went to give his bhashan AAP candiates won. There was a loss of 2% or 2.5 in votes for BJP. Perhaps 2% loss is not much loss 😉 but it certainly doesn’t look like a wave.
As for AAP supporters who’ll vote for Modi – some of my own aquaintances had said that. The major reason being no one was sure about the direction of the wind, and they just didn’t want Rahul Gandhi. But even this support was blown up to ‘nearly half’ by interested parties, whereas it was about 18% according to others.
Now that encouraging results have come up, and the declaration that they’ll fight for LS (adding enthusiasm by Kumar Vishwas’ selection as candidate from Amethi against Rahul Gandhi) they are remaining in full support.
>As per you Delhi ( 7 seats) = India (543) seats
and Raj= 26, MP-29, CHG = 11 are EQUAL TO Sibal ( Zero).
You have to listen to the ladaka BJPs on TV shouting (like all politicians do in parliament) these numbers to prove this or that.
Then they say, AAP won because of rejection of congress, but one dare not say the same about Rajasthan where there were just these two main parties – no, there it was a wave.
Go to the AAP site, read their EXTREMELY DETAILED manifestos – listen to them explaining and answering questions on their video clips which were live during campaigning days under ‘Hand Out with’.
I would need to write an article of my own to counteract this article. And at the moment I can’t my hands are a bit shaky, the drug is reacting on my fingers while making my brain sharper and clearer.
I could send you the prespriction if you’re interested.
You seem to be in dire need of it. You sound very nervous and jittery.
NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Wednesday set aside the decision of the Delhi high court, which had in 2009 decriminalised sexual relation between persons belonging to same sex.
A bench of justices G S Singhvi and S J Mukhopadhaya upheld the constitutional validity of Section 377 of Indian Penal Code that makes anal sex a punishable offence.
LGBT activists, whose sexual relationships had been legalised by the Delhi HC, broke down inside the court room.
Parliament is authorized to remove Section 377, but as long as this provision is there, the court can not legalise this kind of sexual relationship, the SC bench observed.
“It is for the legislature to look into desirability of deleting section 377 of the IPC,” the apex court said.
The SC bench allowed the appeals filed by various social and religious organisations challenging the high court verdict on the ground that gay sex is against the cultural and religious values of the country.
The bench, however, put the ball in Parliament’s court to take a decision on the controversial issue, saying it is for the legislature to debate and decide on the matter.
With the apex court verdict, the operation of penal provision against gay sex has come into force.
After pronouncement of the judgement, gay rights activists said they will seek review of the apex court’s verdict.
The court passed the order on a batch of petitions of anti-gay right activists and social and religious organisations against the high court’s verdict decriminalising gay sex.
The bench had reserved its order in March last year after granting day-to-day hearing of the case from February 15, 2012.
While hearing the appeal, the apex court had pulled up the Centre for its “casual” approach on the issue of decriminalisation of homosexuality and also expressed concern over Parliament not discussing such important matters and blaming judiciary instead for its “over-reach”.
While pleading for decriminalisation of gay sex, the Centre had subsequently told the court that the anti-gay law in the country had resulted from British colonialism and Indian society was much more tolerant towards homosexuality.
The Delhi high court had on July 2, 2009 decriminalised gay sex as provided in Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) and had ruled that sex between two consenting adults in private would not be an offence.
Section 377 (unnatural offences) of IPC makes gay sex a criminal offence entailing punishment upto life imprisonment.
The petition seeking to decriminalise gay sex was filed in the high court by Naz Foundation.
Senior BJP leader B P Singhal, who died in October last year, had challenged the high court verdict in the apex court, saying such acts are illegal, immoral and against the ethos of the Indian culture.
Religious organisations like All India Muslim Personal Law Board, Utkal Christian Council and Apostolic Churches Alliance too had challenged the judgement.
The Delhi Commission for Protection of Child Right, Tamil Nadu Muslim Munn Kazhgam, SD Pritinidhi Sabha, Joint Action Council, Raza Academy, astrologer Suresh Kumar Kaushal, yoga guru Ramdev’s disciple S K Tijarawala, Ram Murti, Bhim Singh, B Krishna Bhat had also opposed the verdict.
The Centre had earlier informed the apex court that there are an estimated 25 lakh gay people and about seven per cent (1.75 lakh) of them are HIV-infected.
In its affidavit, the Union health ministry had said it was planning to bring four lakh high-risk ‘men who have sex with men (MSM)’ under its AIDS control programme and it has already covered around two lakh of them.
Gay activists disappointed with SC verdict on homosexuality
The NGO, which was the first to file the petition for decriminalising section 377 of IPC, on Wednesday expressed dissatisfaction over the Supreme Court judgement upholding the constitutional validity of the penal provision making gay sex a punishable offence.
“We are disappointed with the judgement. We think the judgement is not correct in law. We will take appropriate legal recourse,” senior advocate Anand Grover, who argued the case for the NGO Naz Foundation, said after the verdict was pronounced.
Activists of the NGO who were present inside the court room were visibly upset, while those outside said, “is judgement se hamara jeene ka adhikaar chhin gaya hai (this verdict has taken away our right to life)”.
They also demanded that the 1861 legislation, by which section 377 is a criminal offence, be changed.
“Kya yeh crime hai ki ek bachcha lesbian ya gay paida hota hai (is it a crime that a child is born a lesbian or gay)? Yeh toh natural feeling hota hai (this is a natural feeling). Yeh kisi ka hak nahi hai ki LGBT ya gays pe dosh lagaya jai (no one has the right to blame LGBTs or gays),” the activists commented.
The verdict came on the petitions of several anti-gay right activists, social and religious organisations against the 2009 verdict of the high court, which decriminalised gay sex.
All this sounds good. But again, trying to convert Delhi dreams to national dreams without every proving a governance record will be tough. They should have outright won, and IMO a re-election in Delhi is a gamble.
However, this movement was needed, so as to have someone that constantly checks the national parties. Though, not sure how much of the Congress will be left after 2014. A few more Pappuisms will ensure that they will replicate the Delhi loss nationwide.
OK lets tell them.
Lets tell AAP that they should stay out, because governance has been going on very well, and they don’t know any.
AAP is not expected to have an outright win in 2014 (no one will), but they have to make a start. They have to enter parliament. Otherwise their presence will firmly and surely get limited to Delhi. They have to strike while the iron is hot.
Above all it will all be so interesting as now.
BJP wanting to sit in the opposition is a scream. Waiting for more.
As suggested ny Kumar Vishwas, Modi should contest against Sonia Gandhi.
Kejriwal was courageous and fought against Shiela Dikshit. Instead of standing from a safe seat in Gujarat he should really show his mettle in Rai Bareiily. I say, let the wave take over.
AAP may have an effect in urban areas, but it would need to recruit charismatic leaders in areas outside of the North. Kejriwal/Vishwas/Ilimi are all from the North, they cannot and will not sway voters even in Mumbai. They spent 3yrs in Delhi building up a grassroots org, going from door to door, and the results show. The problems in India vary from state to state, all the issues they fought about were Delhi-centric. What he has been talking about (water/power delivery, etc) has already been implemented by Modi in Gujurat. So if AAP shows up one day in Ahmedabad, their appeal will be limited. To do the same on a national level will take them another 10 yrs. They can start their Lok Sabha ambitions from Delhi and surrounding areas. Let them do at least that much. The need of the hour is to first kick out the corrupt Congress.
Kumar Vishwas is from UP, he has an appeal there. Why should Modi stand from UP, when the entire state of Gujurat is available? Political grandstanding such as fighting against Rahul in Rae Bareilli may win them a few fans, but does nothing to build a national org at the level of Cong/BJP.
As you wish NyKavi.
>Kejriwal/Vishwas/Ilimi are all from the North, they cannot and will not sway voters even in Mumbai.
Similar sage comments were thrown around before too.
Your thinking is conventional. like it was even said that without money it won’t work. But it did.
It depends on the people. If they want it will work otherwise it won’t. Not because of reasons you mention.
The people in Delhi were mobilized and they mobilized the votes. If the people in other parts get as involved then it will work.
Sure they need someone to lead them.
One example of mobilization:
AAP opened up it’s donation site online just a day ago and already 11 lakhs have come in.
I think there is a strong disconnect between policy of AAP and current supporters. Right now I see middle class is firmly behind AAP because of promise of corruption less Govt. and good intentions. But if you read the manifesto it is populist and for poor (kind of leftist).IMO If they are in power (I sincerely wish in Delhi just for experiment) it will leave red marks in balance sheet (I want to be proven wrong). It is like trying to make a massy film with SRK. Multiplex audience (Read internet savvy and pseudo aware folks) will be there for SRK but the multiplex audience will run away after initial euphoria because the subject is not palatable (not enough opportunity for climbing the ladder).
Do poll : how many read manifestos ???? and how many understand it.
AAP economic is aptly called Apenomics : Its Sonianomics without restraint.
Congress in delhi released manifesto day before election 🙂
Its simple, No one expected such performance from AAP so very less scrutiny of their all round policies but now they will be scrutinized rigorously and this will hurt them…
I want less corruption (I don’t think it can be eliminated. It can be reduced. We want top to become corruption less but I think Top represents who we are. It will take time to mend everyone’s way and introducing checks and balances at different levels) and more transparency. But at same time I want opportunities for everyone to grow. Those opportunities are created with environment you give to public with your policies. All your answers about policies can not start with corruption and end with corruption.
I give credit to AAP to force other parties to have more transparency how they do business and more responsive to your voters.
>Right now I see middle class is firmly behind AAP because of promise of corruption less Govt. and good intentions.
One of the most remarkable thing about AAP voters, which almost everyone reluctantly accepted (media and most observers) was the class of voters right across the society.
Their candidates won from posh areas like Greater Kailash, to jhuggis, right across religious caste barriers without even classifying it as such.
there was jansatta but never has the base which hazare and company provided…governance is different matter there was agp(assam gana parishad) started by group of young clean students but with power turned absolute other way
ps – $4500/month after tax money as salary to maid. I am not sure how much she is earning? And the charge is pretty serious and Federal Prosecutor is known for following the law to the letter.
I read she earns $4000, so perhaps there is something fishy. Does a domestic help earn that much in USA? I don’t know that’s why I’m asking.
No, it isn’t a normal procedure to catch hold of someone, suspected of something, on the road and handcuff them – at least not in civilised societies.
Even in India where the policemen are as they are can’t handcuff people. At least that’s what I gathered from how they were leading the damini rapists by hand. Some people on some blogs were complaining why they were given this treatment.
The minimum wage is $9.75/ hour (different States different numbers). She claimed she would pay $4500 which is above minimum wage. You can not pay below minimum wage. So she should have said she will pay $1700/month (8 hours a day). But if you are required to work more than 8 hours the rates are different and there is provision of mandatory breaks. But I guess she was suppose to work more than 8 hour that is why they claimed $4500.
ps – My wife complains that even with whatever we earn we can not keep help and in India relatives have 2-3 helps. It is expensive here. Even CEOs drive their own car.
ps1 – In India handcuffing is not considered good that is why they now have handcuffing by ropes. But in US getting arrested is not considered that bad. You may be handcuffed if you have DUI (driving under influence) arrest.
ps2 – She couldn’t have been arrested from Indian embassy. That would be breaking the diplomatic protocols.
Agree with Goldie there.
Whatever be the intricacies of the pay dispute here with the ‘domestic worker’ –this maltreatment and pubic handcuffing of this poor woman is excessive and disproportionate !
Man this guy Preet Bharara inadvertantly or wittingly goes after desis; first it was Rajat Gupta, now Devyani, God knows who next….Amreekan desi maare Indian desi ki…
Was Preet also behind Madoff’s? downfall? Or was it someone else?
“I read she earns $4000, so perhaps there is something fishy. “–good point. Haven’t read that link but perhaps she does ‘overtime’ or some other ‘part time job’ as well…..
“My wife complains that …”– c’mon munna –Enuf –be a man now !!! 🙂
NEW DELHI: Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade had been a go-getter right from the day she entered Indian Foreign Service (IFS) and got what she wanted, thanks to her ‘influential’ IAS father and benevolent political connections.
The rules for allotment of foreign language to the IFS officers on the basis of their rank in the select list was changed only for her batch (1999) to ensure she got her chosen language.
The Supreme Court found this in a judgment that was delivered three and half years ago while reinstating a dismissed IFS officer Mahaveer V Singhvi and imposing a fine of Rs 25,000 on the Union government for wrongfully terminating the services of the 1999 batch IFS officer.
In this judgment, the court noted the sensational allegations of Singhvi against his batch-mate Khobragade. His lawyer Jayant Bhushan said, “Authorities were desperate to cover up the highly dubious and motivated manner in which the rules of allotment (of foreign language) were altered only in respect of the 1999 batch of IFS appointees in order to favour a particular candidate who was graded lower than Singhvi.”
Bhushan said despite being graded higher than five other candidates in the select list of 10, Singhvi was denied right of preference relating to allotment of a foreign language of his choice in order to accommodate one Devyani Khobragade, who was graded at two places below Singhvi and wanted German as her first preference.
“A great amount of political pressure was brought to bear upon the authorities concerned to ensure that Khobragade was allotted German as her language preference, as she happened to be daughter of a powerful IAS officer in Maharashtra,” Bhushan had alleged.
A bench of then Justices Altamas Kabir, J M Pnachal and Cyriac Joseph said, “From the facts as disclosed and the submissions made on behalf of the respective parties, there is little doubt in our minds that the order dated 13th June, 2002, by which the Singhvi was discharged from service, was punitive in character and had been motivated by considerations which are not reflected in the said order.”
“The Union government and ministry of external affairs have not been able to satisfactorily explain why the rules/norms for allotment of languages were departed from only for the year 1999 so that the Singhvi was denied his right of option for German and such choice was given to Khobragade who was at two stages below Singhvi in the gradation list,” the bench said.
“The mode of allotment was amended for the 1999 Batch in such a calculated fashion that Ms Khobragade, who was at Serial No.7, was given her choice of German over and above Singhvi, who was graded at two stages above her,” the bench had said in its judgment delivered on July 29, 2010.
As I emphasized State Department (Foreign Ministry) and Justice department are different and anyone trying to stop the case could be prosecuted for obstruction of Justice. The ball has started rolling on a downward slope. Either Devyani goes for plea bargain or there is issue with material in prosecution (including credibility of maid like in Dominique Strauss-Kahn case), I don’t see anyone can stop the case.
ps – They have changed the title now otherwise they were saying judge pulled up Preet because of the case.
ps1 – Original title was “Preet Bharara’s activism in Devyani’s maid case even riles US judge”
In June 2011, an Italian consular officer, Giuseppe Penzato, was arrested in San Francisco. Federal prosecutors charged Penzato and his wife with exploiting a domestic worker in their home. This year, both pleaded guilty to conspiring to possess an illegal identification document; they paid $13,000 in back wages to the domestic worker and quietly left the United States.
In November 2011, a Taiwanese envoy based in Kansas City, Mo., pleaded guilty to fraud in foreign labor contracting. Federal prosecutors held Hsien-Hsien Liu in custody for 78 days after her arrest. She paid $80,044 in criminal restitution to two domestic workers from the Philippines who had accused her of human trafficking. A federal judge ordered her deported after she paid the restitution and an $11,040 fine.
In November 2012, Mauritius’s ambassador to the United States, Somduth Soborun, pleaded guilty in federal district court in New Jersey to failing to pay the minimum-wage rate to his domestic worker. He paid a $5,000 fine as well as $24,153 in back wages to the worker.
NEW DELHI: IT IS politically intriguing that Arvind Kejriwal- led Aam Aadmi Party ( AAP) would be backed by the Congress to form government in Delhi. The last thing Kejriwal would have expected was any kind of support from the same party he had vanquished at the hustings. So why was the Congress so magnanimous? It seems the Congress poll strategists have realised that the party is to face massive debacle in the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections. With that bleak picture in mind, all that the Congress folks can do is to minimise the victory margin of its principal adversary and BJPs prime ministerial nominee Narendra Modi. For Congress, propping up AAP serves that game plan.
The Congress ploy to promote a foe to counter the principal rival is nothing new.
In Maharashtra, for example, the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) made inroads into BJP- Shiv Sena bastions and the saffron alliance lost 10 Lok Sabha seats to Raj Thackeray- led party in the 2009 General Elections. Interestingly, in the build up to the elections, the Congress- NCP government in the state did nothing to stop the MNS activists from beating up North Indians in the name of Marathi pride.
But can the Congress pull off the same coup riding on the back of AAP? The India Today Group asked some of the country’s leading psephologists for their views.
According to C- Voter’s Chief Editor Yashwant Deshmukh, AAP is a middle- class phenomenon and there is a sizable middle class in 200 seats. “ If AAP polls 5 per cent of the votes nationally, they will damage BJP in 50 odd seats. If they get 10 per cent of the national votes, then they will damage BJP in 100 seats. And these seats will then become a toss- up between the Congress and BJP. But if AAP crosses 15 per cent of the vote share the party will become a serious contender to grab a lot of these seats,” he said.
Prof Sanjay Kumar of CSDS said, “ AAP will certainly eat into the popularity of Modi but the impact will be more on votes in urban areas and not so much on the BJPs seat share. AAP can make BJP lose 5 to 7 seats in the Lok Sabha polls.” Economist, psephologist and chairman of Oxus Investment Surjit Bhalla said AAP is likely to damage Congress more than BJP. “ In the top 300 urban seats, AAP may pick up 7 seats that would have gone to the BJP,” he said.
The AAP phenomenon has worried the BJP, even if the party denies in public.
According to psephologist and a member of BJP’s national election management group, GVL Narsimha Rao, similar Congress strategy flopped in Punjab and Gujarat. AAP is firmly with the Congress and if Kejriwals government fails to perform in Delhi, there will be no threat to Modi in Delhi. However, both the Congress and the AAP denied that there is any understanding between the two parties with an aim to counter Modi. Union Information and Broadcasting Minister Manish Tewari said: “ To extrapolate and conclude that this tactical move ( to support AAP in Delhi) was to keep out any one individual or party at the national level is an absolutely erroneous conclusion.” AAP leader and psephologist Yogendra Yadav said: “ In the absence of any credible evidence all this is entertaining speculation and no more.”
** This is now getting to be freaking obscene; Cannot believe this arrogance on the part of Deviyani and her father and the screwed up Indian political climate. How the heck is she a hero?? What about the other minions who get radio-tagged for joining a University or working for a company? **
Mr. Khobragade, a retired bureaucrat who has led small protests in recent days at the American Consulate in Mumbai, said his daughter is seen so positively in India that political parties have approached both her and him to run in parliamentary elections, and that he was inclined to do so.
“At this moment, through the agony my family has gone through in the past month, you people stood with me like a rock,” he said at the airport. “One thing is clear from this: If this country, with 1.2 billion people, if they come together for a cause, justice is inevitable.”
On the blogosphere there are enlightened ones who say that the $500/month was not a pittance because room/board/utility etc was free for Sangeeta. These people do not know what the prevailing market wages are for housemaids in NY. We are fools to be paying upwards of $500/week for Indian/Nepali housemaids in NY. We should have done what Khobragade did, seriously.
In the guise of nationalistic jingoism, all these idiots are covering up the worst employee abuses heaped upon another Indian. And now Messrs Khobragades will get to become MPs and rule over ignorant misinformed Indians. The image of the Scroogish Indian shines through with this episode. But, what can be expected from a Govt which thinks that Rs 30/day is optimum poverty wage in India.
bjp pushed the button to late in delhi while allowing vijay goel and only replacing harshvardhan in last moment of time case in point congress still defacto ruling in delhi
Good intentions but bad execution. The start has been absolutely chaotic. And they are playing into the hands of the Cong by going nationwide in LS elections. Pehle Delhi to sambhalo, agar sambhal gayi to phir Delhi ki asli gaddi door nahi hogi. Rather than making a 5yr blueprint, Kejriwal wants to achieve everything in 5 months. It is foolish, and totally unexpected from what shouldve been a more organised individual who knows the nuts-bolts of Indian bureaucracy.
ya 17 years in buerocracy and one get this from kejriwal …..
surprising is how mainstream media ignored kiran bedi’s joining of bjp, vk singh alliance with anna hazare and his joining of bjp and last to last week r.k singh the ex home secretary
Days before she was asked to quit the union cabinet, Environment Minister Jayanthi Natarajan kicked up a storm by rejecting a “consensus position” allowing field trials of Genetically Modified (GM) crops arrived at by stakeholder ministries, the cabinet secretary and the Prime Minister’s Office.
With the Technical Expert Committee (TEC) — under the aegis of the Supreme Court — recommending an indefinite ban on GM field trials in October 2012 and Natarajan also putting on hold field trial clearances given by the Genetic Engineering Appraisal Committee (GEAC) in March 2013, alarm bells had rung across the scientific community and ministries concerned.
The PMO, keen that arms of the government did not talk in different voices on the issue, tasked the cabinet secretary with hammering out a consensus between the Departments of Science and Technology, Biotechnology, and Agriculture so that a common affidavit could be filed in the apex court on the issue. Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar, too, wrote to the Prime Minister underlining the need for this affidavit.
The affidavit was finalised after several rounds of deliberations attended by representatives of all stakeholder ministries including the secretary, Environment, V Rajagopalan. Sources said Rajagopalan also agreed to field trials with certain preconditions.
But even though her secretary agreed to this consensus document, Natarajan decided to disassociate herself from the exercise, making it difficult for the government to go ahead. Result: the government missed its goal of filing the affidavit on December 16 — the case has now been rescheduled for next year.
Natarajan disagreed with other arms of the government over other green clearances too. Only last week, sources said, Natarajan and Petroleum Minister Veerappa Moily, who is now her successor, had a heated discussion at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Investment (CCI).
Three projects from Moily’s ministry held up due to green clearances came up at the CCI meeting: the long pending Chennai Petroleum Corporation Limited’s (CPCL)’s new crude oil pipeline project from Chennai port to Manali in Tamil Nadu, ONGC’s gas project in Assam, and the LNG terminal in Mundra. While CPCL finally got the go-ahead, the environment ministry said it would take a view soon on the LNG terminal.
Natarajan is also said to have had differences of opinion with the cabinet secretariat over the appointments of the chairman of the Central Pollution Control Board (CPCB), and the director-general, Forests. While the cabinet secretariat is said to have held interviews on December 9 — for the CPCB job — which is being handled by a senior environment ministry official, the National Green Tribunal suddenly stepped in the next day on a plea, and restrained the selection process until December 28.
Similarly, Natarajan and the cabinet secretariat — which held interviews for the position of DG, Forests on December 6 — disagreed on the choice. A final decision is yet to be taken, even though the incumbent retires this month-end.
Indian and Nepali live-in housemaids in NYC are paid upwards of $500 for a five day week + transportation costs on weekends + paid days off on 5 public holidays + paid vacation when the employers go on leave. Employers do not charge for room/board/food. Most pay in cash. So these maids (a lot of whom are illegals that paid lakhs of Rs for passports/Visas) end up banking upwards of $25k/year. Whatever may have been Sangeeta’s motives, it is pretty obvious that she was getting paid a pittance when compared to prevailing market wages.
Btw, the above figures are true, I should know, cause I employ one 🙂
“Whatever may have been Sangeeta’s motives, it is pretty obvious that she was getting paid a pittance when compared to prevailing market wages. ”
Otherwise what is the point of bringing someone from India. And she was paid Rs 30,000 suggests that she was doing overtime. Typically overtime rate is 1.5 times the regular rate.
True, and this is not the first time an Indian has been involved in labor crimes amounting to slavery. There were a few similar cases of families in NY bringing maids from abroad who were grossly underpaid and overworked. The maids ran out and those families got into jail.
BTW, even large IT cos. bring programmers over on the B1 or J1 visas, put them in cramped company apartments, but pay them $30-40 per diem as well as the paycheck they draw back in India. So these guys end up saving $700-800 per month over their 3-6 month trips. It’s like a bonus for them, over the regular monthly wage they made back home. They are not abused or overworked, so its a win-win for both employee and employer.
But, it is grossly illegal, and lots of these IT cos do it anyway. The INS has been cracking down on this as well, and I believe the new immigration laws will address these issues.
I am pretty sure she was paid below minimum wages and wasnt paid overtime.
About other claims about mistreatment and not being allowed to return, they could be true. Hard for us to know.
I think there are quite a few who want to come to US and work for low wages as it offers them something they couldnt get in India and in the strictest sense of the word they are ‘exploited’.
But, this is human nature. People prefer to get things for the cheapest they can get. That in itself is not as big a crime as maltreatment and not being allowed to return, which is a huge deal IMO.
Instead of the perverse depiction of ‘slavery’ in Oscar baiting ventures like ‘django’ & ’12 years a slave’-it woul be more relevant of someone has the guts to depict the ‘economic slavery’ be in the Middle East or cheap ‘outsourcing’ deals —
The above devyani episode seems neither forcible nor grossly (over)exploitative than prevailing standards..
Ps: (‘Sexual’ slavery is a different ballgame)
An excellent interview of Arun Shourie by Pagalika Ghose; blasts Singh and the ‘trend’ of coining new phrases like ‘Internet Hindus’, ‘inclusive’ growth
In a series of exposés, many of which he wrote himself, Shourie and the Indian Express, where he became Executive Editor in January 1979, uncovered corruption in the highest echelons of the government and exposed several major scandals, including what has been dubbed “India’s Watergate.”[6] Shourie started a one-man crusade in 1981 against Abdul Rehman Antulay, the then Chief Minister of Maharashtra State, who allegedly extorted millions of dollars from businesses dependent on state resources and put the money in a private trust named after Indira Gandhi. The story caused the eventual resignation of the chief minister and great embarrassment to Gandhi and her ruling Congress Party.[7]
Shourie’s exposés resulted in a prolonged labour dispute at the Mumbai offices of the Indian Express, where a labour organizer with ties to Antulay encouraged workers to strike for a minimum wage double than what was paid at any other newspaper in India. It also resulted in a government crackdown that included a host of legal cases launched against the Indian Express by various agencies. In 1982, the paper’s owner Ramnath Goenka fired Shourie as a result of continued government pressure.[8]
Between 1982 and 1986, Shourie wrote for various newspapers and magazines, at the same time as being General Secretary of the People’s Union for Civil Liberties. He was appointed executive editor of the Times of India in 1986 but was lured back to the Indian Express by Goenka in 1987. Shourie launched an attack on then prime minister Rajiv Gandhi over the Bofors howitzer gun purchase scandal. This contributed to Rajiv Gandhi’s defeat in the subsequent parliamentary elections.
Among the many battles Shourie fought for press freedom, perhaps the most famous was his crusade against the government’s proposal in 1988 to introduce a defamation bill. It was widely perceived that the bill had been introduced with unusual speed in the Parliament in an attempt to muzzle the Indian Express, and the entire media community joined Shourie and the Indian Express in condemning the move.
At one stage, there were 300 cases filed by the government against the Indian Express, and credit supply from banks was cut off. Shourie, however, continued his battle against government corruption until 1990, when differences on editorial policy forced him to resign from the Indian Express. The differences involved Shourie’s opposition to the implementation of the Mandal Commission Report, that sought reservations in government jobs for Other Backward Classes (OBC), which were initiated by then Prime Minister V. P. Singh’s government. After that, he devoted his energy to writing books and regular columns, which appeared in different languages in 30 newspapers across India. In 2000, he was named as one of the International Press Institute’s 50 World Press Freedom Heroes of the past 50 years.[9]
Shourie is a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). He has been a member of the Rajya Sabha and also held the office of the Minister of Disinvestment, Communication and Information Technology in the Government of India under Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s prime ministership. As Disinvestment Minister, he led the sale of Maruti, VSNL, Hindustan Zinc among others. His position as Minister was a controversial one, but he and his secretary Pradip Baijal are much respected for kick-starting what people believe was a best-in-class process. In a poll of India’s top 100 CEOs in February 2004, he was ranked the most outstanding minister of Mr.Vajpayee’s government.[10]
Shourie was one of the loudest voices opposing the nomination of Pratibha Patil as the President of India in 2007. Arun Shourie authored two articles published as a booklet titled ‘Does This Tainted Person Deserve to Become President of India?’ in which he discussed the highly questionable past of the Congress candidate. In a detailed interview with Karan Thapar, Shourie gave voluminous proofs accusing Pratibha Patil and her kin of embezzling funds from Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank, a bank which she had founded and was in charge of. Reserve Bank of India (RBI), revoked the licence of the bank in 2003 after it was found out that the bank had illegally waived interest on loans given to many of Pratibha Patil’s family members.[11] Shourie also accused her of obstruction of justice and in a murder case against her brother G.N.Patil.
Kejriwal is totally undoing his credibility. Inconveniencing Aam Aadmi like this will not be taken lightly by the Aam Aadmi. People in Delhi are flabbergasted with the way AAP has conducted itself in just its first 3 weeks. Things are getting chaotic, he really needs to retreat and rethink. Good Intentions, but totally ridiculous implementation.
That is not a valid argument. Closing down 4 Metro stations, forcing people to sit in traffic for hours, etc. causes disruption of daily business. People could not reach their work on time, or had to take off and lose on wages. If he had to cause such disruption, why not do it on a Sunday when most people do not work? Why do it on the first day of the week?
One cannot legislate from the streets. Again, I am not against AAP, but these methods are not going down well. Good intentions with horrible implementation will not get them to anywhere. They lost a bunch of public support with these ridiculous actions. And they are not even in power on their own. Congress is making a mockery out of them. When the Cong senses public frustration with AAP rise to higher levels, they will withdraw support and force an election in which AAP will not win even half of what they did. It is amazing that AK does not see this game and acts a bit more wisely. Cong was trying to use them against the BJP for the LS, but if they sense that this nautanki is hurting the AAP’s chances for LS, they will withdraw support immediately.
This was one golden chance for a new clean part to display clean governance. AK and his colleagues are squandering it away.
When people are given tall promises for instantaneous implementation of good governance, the inconvenience is the last thing they expect. No one wants to lose on rozi-roti. This is basic kitchen table economics. People want good governance, not a Bolshevik revolution.
I don’t think AAP promised instantaneous implementations. Only a fool would believe that. Arvind Kejriwal always said – “hamare paas koi jadu ki chaddi nahin hai jo aaj satta mein aayen aur kal sab kuch theek ho jaye’. So your accusation is not valid.
Closing down of metro was a political move to do exactly as you are saying, to inconvenience the public and get them against AAP. Why did they close the metro? Is there a war? People are doing a perfectly democratically constitutionally appropriate dharna so that the central government just don’t get let off easily on issues – as always.
This is a great interview. Great clarity of thought and some answers to questions.
biggest threat of 26 jan is there and this is highly resonsible when most of warfare arriving in delhi and terrorist threat is maximum and here is cm who is creating anarchy
Anarchy is;
– women getting gangraped all the time with NO ACCOUNTABILITY..
3 cases of police inaction – gangrape of a Danish woman, a minor girl sustains 45% burns after she fought against rape, but was set on fire as retaliation, and the drug racket case – and government says it will carry out *investigation* while the police officers in charge of that locality and refusing to do anything espeially in the ‘burning’ case (wanted to give Rs 2000 to the girl’s father) – all AAP is asking. suspend them or transfer them for the time of the investigation, they caanot still be sitting in power (the SHOs) and have investigation on them and their department going on.
-anarchy is, treating the trasuries as your personal bank accounts.
The list is long. And you are worried about Republic Day.
There was a film I saw (old one) where a glittering charity function was going on with drinks, food, entertainment etc, and some poor beggars discussing – yeh sab hamare liye ho raha hai.
That’s how you sound. There are people suffering because of government and police inaction, and you talk of Re*public* Day where foreign dignitaries will get honoured, all the ministers will get preferred seats and royal treatment, and a CM struggling along with his team to get some action from the government is a hindrance to all this glitter (which is NOT GOLD).
You can bring whatever style of nomenclature you want the facts will remain the same – here’s a man WHO IS DOING SOMETHING!!!
Being BJP, this unsettles you and so people together look like a mob. Dharna looks like anarchy. You seem to be very satisfied with the anarchists that have been ruling till now.
ome of the above are AAP Party founders, some are “I-want-what-you-have” wagon hitchers like Gopinath and Ashutosh; some are professional agitators like Mallika, Medha. And some are Fai-fighters like Chenoy and Bhushan. All of them are “useful idiots” for someone; some of them know it, some don’t. We can only make a fair estimate who their Master is. So I estimate one day, like those Fai idiots, some of these people will say “Oh I didn’t know AAP would turn out like this. I thought they would take us to the Promised Land”. That’s how idiots usually start out to fool others but more importantly, they fool themselves. Events of the past few weeks reminded me what I tweeted on December 12 about dogs chasing cars. The AAP guys simply don’t know what to do now and have turned Delhi into a daily street battle with vigilantes raiding schools and hospitals and ministers raiding imaginary prostitutes.
In the previous part I asked how in the world Commies can even talk about democracy. They are mostly street thugs or good at agitations and when in power they’re bad dictators. Somnath Bharti proved it by chasing some Nigerian women calling them prostitutes and threatening the police to carry out raids without any warrants. The Nigerian women were harassed, their private parts searched and were even racially abused. This is typical Commie-Goonda behaviour. They have now become the same “goondas” that they accused politics was infested with. Somnath is the same guy indicted by a Delhi court for tampering with evidence and he’s the Law Minister. The best part about this crook is he took the media along to his midnight express. The TV scenes of Bharti could have well been from a movie like ‘Gangajal’ with the goonda threatening the police. Punch Drunk!
On the issue of rapes there was a lot more clarity from Arvind Kejriwal. The man campaigned calling Sheila Dikshit “Beimaan” (Dishonest) and even put up posters on Auto rickshaws. But this is what it looks like now:
f it was just political gimmickry that forced AK to make those statements pre-elections that is understandable. Politicians make grand claims for votes. But there is something even more dangerous that AK does that is similar to Bharti’s act. He wants the police to avoid penalising Autos that break rules. He wants Autos to refuse passengers. AK is neither interested in law nor is he interested in protecting women or any citizen. He simply doesn’t know what to do. He forgot that he gladly enjoyed agitating during the Nirbhaya rape incident and mouthing filth against the police, the transport system, the CM and the govt. In my post ‘Broken Windows’ I had tried to explain that bigger crimes start with ignoring small crimes. AK forgets that Nirbhaya happened because an Auto refused to carry her and her friend and they had to walk a bit and finally board that monster bus which was not certified road-worthy. “I am the Lord and my WILL be done”. That’s how AK and his Law Minister are behaving and fool people by repeatedly telling them “we are Aam Aadmi, we live an Aam life” and such bogus crap. AK is the guy who said “Ruling Delhi is not rocket science”. Self-deception!
By now most of their hypocrisies, U-turns and deceptions from the past and the present have become a daily routine. A reader, Sanku Das, points out the shocking amounts due from many AAP members to utility boards and departments. Shazia Ilmi has assets worth 17.45 crores. Look up on other members when you have the time. How AAM are these people? Let’s catch up with some more punch drunk idiots:
Salman Khan has spoken, and it is not a message our so-called secularists are going to like. In an interview with Rahul Kanwal, on his show Seedhi Baat, the Bollywood star of films like Ek Tha Tiger and the upcoming Jai Ho, said that he will campaign for Narendra Modi if he is asked to and if Narendra Modi does good work for the people.
In a candid, one-on-one conversation, Salman Khan expressed surprise about why his visit to Narendra Modi is generating so much debate. After all, Amitabh Bachchan and Ajay Devgn have both been seen in Narendra Modi’s company.
Desperation!!! Getting old videos and circulating them around. AAP wasn’t even in existence then.
Can a man not change?
If he speaks so today, that would be a fair attack – but what can one expect of saffron brigade, who goes back 500 years to break mosques and arouse people today. Shame on them.
why it was edited …do you have the license to call other others propagandist, desperation and all…who is that [edited] to advice me to be down to earth and communicating with me when she is allready in ignored list and when i don’t engage in personal stuff and told her to …
Rockstar, I don’t have anything to add to what I’ve already said. All of this is not up for debate. Sometimes debates are tough but there’s a difference between this and insults or name-calling. You tend to lose your cool rather easily anyway. As for who stays, who doesn’t, who gets edited and who doesn’t, that’s not your call.
you should have thought about this before writing that sort of comment. There was too much name-calling in it. Hard to separate legitimate content from the rest.
On the rest Oldgold and I disagree 99% of the time. So not sure what you’re talking about!
why content was removed when nothing objectionable was there
rather than me loosing cool( which is rarely the case as i never indulge in personal stuff but relies more on content and quotes but when somebody is repeatedly doing same despite me saying i am ignoring him/her don’t expect any leniency and its very painful someone as prolific as you going compleately banal and clueless and unable to comprehend
if ‘content’ is mixed with insults I will not make the effort to weed things out. It’s a waste of my time. Your views have never been censored in any sense but you tend to overreact to disagreement and lose it completely relatively soon. I don’t like barring anyone, some would say that I stretch the rope out a bit too much (!) and that’s probably correct but there are limits to everything. I’ve known you for very long. It’s unfortunate that you’ve let political disagreements come in the way. Hope you can overcome this phase and get back to some semblance of normality.
kerala congress wala masscared him not saffron brigade and question to be asked why there was a public apology from him today …
since ayodhya came up from no where let me remind you it is 150 year long dispute right before indian independence because hindus revered it to be birth place of lord rama …why forensic is doing study and came up with there report ask government of india and supreme court
and ya for that numerous temple in nearby pakistan and bangladesh…an exiled writer taslima nasreen from bangladesh wrote lajja and she had to leave country and currently she has taken refuge in india only and do try to know what it was about and ya just two year before ayodhya something also happened to kashmiri pundits in valley
diverting things here and there don’t serve any purpose untill one concentrate on topic in hand and make facts
Delhi people have got what they wanted. Nation is watching with amusement the free entertainment provided in Delhi ahead of republic day. The day will not be faroff if a bunch of people provoke and brand someone as witch and start their witchhunting.
We must thank the courts for some semblance of rule of law.
It is like giving a monkey the power and then get bruised by it. the same media which went into ruptures are now questioning and the tide is slowly turning against.
No one seem to challenging AAP on the work has been done in just last 21 days. Their claim is in last 64 years none of the government (including new government in 4 states at the same time)had done even tenth of it what they were able to do in just 21 days.
On ‘Water’ promise lame allegation is they are providing relief to only meter holders and not to others who don’t have meters and water…stupidly forgetting the creator of that situation. No one prevented to provide that in last so many years while ruling!
As of now AAP has turned into a mob provoking police and media in Delhi. They are fools, all this being telecast live all over India. Kejriwal has totally lost it, his entire experiment seems to collapsing in tatters.
Rockstar,
You have been a valuable contributor for a long time.
Satyam doesnt need someone to explain his position nor do I have his permission to do so. But, I feel obliged to intervene since I think the wires seem to be getting crossed at your end.
As far as domestic politics goes, I tend to share a lot of your views. May be not as passionately but I find myself agreeing more with you than Satyam. And, I dont think Satyam has ever had an issue with that. I think what he objected to was inappropriate language directed at another member whose only fault was disagreeing with you. Differing view points and disagreements have never fazed Satyam. And, it is unfair to suggest that editing of comments is arbitrary or an attempt at censorship. Hope you can see what I am trying to suggest.
We all tend to get sensitive and defensive at some point for a variety of reasons but to his credit Satyam has been extremely lenient in moderation.Perhaps too so.
thanks Rajen… you said it much better than I could. Rockstar knows very well that his views have never been questioned here. if he nonetheless resorts to insulting talk as in the most recent response which I’ve deleted this is only bad faith on his part. And I’ve more or less lost patience but he can consider this a last chance.
You NEVER edited Rajen when he was abusive towards me. Bulkul naa insafiyat hai. Rolling my eyes at utter partiality towards all things Rajen/Abhishek and whatever colors that chasma for which you will bend all logic and in every direction Satyam-not=asatyam
Rockstar: omrocky, annjo, you totally rock. baki saab aaya raam, gaya ram
xoxo
🙂
Rajen has become everyone’s favorite target. Whenever I question someone there’s this ‘get Rajen’ response! Whatever this condition is Rajen isn’t qualified to cure it..
More seriously I could offer an ‘explanation’ on this as I have before but it would be pointless. Those who want to cry foul will do so no matter what. Apex is still around, so is Rockstar. The latter after insulting me regularly on various occasions in recent times (not that I’m bothered by this but I wonder why you and others develop blindness or amnesia on these occasions) including just yesterday. Apex has had more chances than anyone I can think of in the history of this blog. it’s not even close. But perhaps you have missed his comments on ‘Abhishrek’. You might have missed Rockstar’s ire the other day when he insisted I was taking sides with OG against him. Again those who scream about unfairness at every point are curiously selective about remembering stuff.
Back to Rajen.. still not willing to offer any explanations here.. I don’t believe I have dealt unfairly with anyone.. being human (yes I know this is news to some) I cannot say there’s perfect consistency all the time, a lot of it is about contexts.. however if people continue to believe this they should perhaps stay away from an ‘unfair’ blog such as this one.
‘Rajen/Abhishek’? You need a life!
On second thoughts there might be something to your conspiracy. Both those guys are fans of Amitabh Bachchan. They might even both be fans of Abhishek Bachchan. Will get to the bottom of this.
I agree in sense that some of Rajen’s comment are not appropriate but he listens to request to tone down. There is no issue with right, left or center ideology but it needs to be appropriate thread and civil. In case of rockstar he/she is using faggot in every other comments for commentators. Either he/she doesn’t know or is doing deliberately. In any case it is not allowed.
Munna, thanks for that comment but note how no one objects when others do far worse. So just in that comment Di is praising Rockstar. Or no one has a problem with Apex who has sexual innuendo built into every comment and also directs it at people in personal ways. Not attacking either one here, just making the point that people have problems selectively. And so when I sometimes don’t agree with people it is because even though they might be accurate in some literal sense they are not completely honest in the larger sense. It’s not just this stuff but about other film-related matters too. To provide a ‘political’ example there are those who discover corruption only with certain political parties. Now of course corruption is a problem and the parties in question are guilty of this. But one can’t ‘discover’ these problems only on one side of the equation. Similarly I might have many issues with SRK but whether he had an affair with Priyanka Chopra or not is not one of them! On the other hand there are those who attack Aamir for all sorts of reasons including the fact that he left his first wife or was involved with other people or whatever. The point once again is that ‘literal truth’ can be made to serve a larger ideological framework and often a larger dishonest framing. Much as some folks become great ‘legalists’ on certain issues when everyone knows that the legally provable and the true are different matters. Do I think OJ was guilty? Yes. Was this proved in court? No. Again I’m getting into all these examples because people suddenly turn up here or at least are very infrequent visitors and then complain about one thing or another. You tell them about the rest and they either don’t know because they haven’t been around or they choose to be blind. Even the former is not an excuse. Back to the newspaper example — I can say the news doesn’t count on the days I don’t look at the newspaper!
And so a lot of people say a lot of things that are not necessarily appropriate, I’m sure I’m one of them. But the larger contexts are important too.
“The latter after insulting me regularly on various occasions in recent times (not that I’m bothered by this but I wonder why you and others develop blindness or amnesia on these occasions”
kindly shows the so called insults , threads are some ground rule and here, hillarious frankly thats not truth
i have nothing against anyon wheather you defend someone or someone else defend you but be upright
I’m not going to get into a back and forth again with you. Said everything I needed to over the last couple of days and those things stand. As long as things are kept civil and organized (in terms of threads) there will be no issues. But ‘civility’ isn’t a debatable concept where one cannot decide who’s at fault! That’s all I’ll say here.
i am pretty mucch intrst where i have insulted , back your words or accept its a lie…show where a so called rockstar is insulting satyam and ya this is disgusting satyam
What is most amusing here is the prevalence of a crude ‘dushman ka dushman dost’ mentality. Which ties in with the lack of honesty Satyam is referring to.
Note the reference to dushman is in a very loose sense. More like someone with a differing view point.
Thank you Di….
and don’t worry about Rajen, he is the Tau jee of this blog.. beech beech mein aaye thoda Gyaan baanta , thodee gaali -walee dee bachchon ko ,aur baith gaye, boley toh just one step short of being an Item old man !! LOL!!
Rajen sir- Joke thaa !!
Rockstar- hope you will reconsider your decision and start commenting. learnt long time back there is no point getting worked up .
Aap right now has only Commies ( and that too frustrated ) left with them, poorana peetal hai. thoda toh bajega hee !!
Ibtida Ishq hai, rota hai Kya, aagey aagey dekh, hota hai kya !!
but ya i am very curious to know about imaginary insults on satyam and a certain muunna with due respect who i guess is rks(rohit ka sipahi just said that in lighter sense ) of old naachgaana show me which commentators (with due emphashis on s) i have called faggot
called one though who behaved liked one( apni archive khol ke dekho what has been told to me what i said
rockstar Says:
December 10, 2013 at 7:04 AM
haath main kamal ka phool ho ya jhaadu ya haath main anything its done by credible administration not rabble rousing and by proving yourself…its perfomance of adminstration
“grow up and ya you have told 7-8 to times to stop interaction and still going personal and still you only come back not me or how long you keep making joke of yourself”
why personal engagement started not counting on arguments and on editing, one comment may be response why 4
if you start name calling response will be same
and ya there is no harm in accepting same if one is wrong rather than try to brand someone this or that
satyam : talk one to one and rater than bringing someone who in this forum has the history of insulting others or contributing anything
i have given the option of banning to you yesterday and response was clear will not tolerate absurdity and neither indulge in one ( you can keep on editing ) and ya there wasn’t anything insulting or such if an attack on abhishek bachchan or aamir khan makes you one can’t help you and don’t expect me to tolerate nonsense stuff
this guy for whom ego satisfaction dharna was done …
did delhi police came in control or 5 sho suspended …won’t be surprised if there is a nexus between congress and them ..the same law minister hasn’t fullfilled the promises of removing corruption in dixit government
AAP is providing so much comic relief and Faking News is just taking advantage of it fully. Once there used to be Laloo Prasad Yadav and now it is Arvind Kejriwal and his ministers.
AAP seems to have retreated back into their cocoon with a seige mentality. Support from well-wishers will keep eroding with every day of Kejriwal’s U-turns and continued presence of hip-shooters such as Somnath Bharti. It is sad, this was a golden chance for strengthening of a non-corrupt movement. Kejri and his friends have approached governance without any tact or strategy. It all just unraveled in less than a month.
Your discalimers; “I’m not against AAP, but…” is very similar to people on the net saying;
“I supported AAP, but now not.” or
“I was going to vote for AAP, but not now….”
The point is all the above are by people who never supported AAP in the first place otherwise you wouldn’t be so fickle.
What astonishes me is this theory of anarchy being bandied around. If a CM with his ministers has to resort to dharna to get his point across it is a clear indication that there is something festering in the system.
And don’t jump on the Somnath Bharati point. One would imagine he was the first person in the history of political parties and their ministers who took law into their own hands.
He at least was doing it for the benefit of the people but botched it up while others did/are doing it for their personal good and to suppress.
It also seems people want to punish them for having called the two big parties corrupt and promising a clean government. Now right from themedia, to the opposition (naturally), to the trolls on the net they eriticize even his sneeze as if these people were blessed with the most superior governments in the world.
Let them do something really harmful – like selling the Himalayas and the bordersof the country, as well as the remaining resources (which the other parties haven’t already sold) to some ‘developing’ corporates then I would understand this venom.
Finally someone has taken on this police(politician mafia.
I can’t find the live vote taken by IBN 7 which had 70% vote in support. There was also the comment on another news item that mostly the so called upper/drawing room critics and babus were opposing. The general janta was in support. So don’t spread this around that AAP is losing its supporters.
There were polls showing 70% support on Sunday which dwindled to 25% by Tuesday. Which is the reason they meekly submitted to this silly settlement of putting 2 SHOs on leave, one of whom might actually be back due to Bharti’s idiocy.
Let me tell you, I am a fence-sitter, as I do believe in the concept and was really impressed by the speeches given by Kejriwal/Vishwas before the election. I wanted to see what they do in the next few months. But I am appalled at what they have done in just 20 days. They do not seem to have a grip, the reason for which is their inexperience. They needed to hunker down and analyze and execute policy, and focus on Delhi. Instead, they have out-stretched themselves with dreams of Lok Sabha. This will be their undoing. Panchi ke par nahi nikley, lekin udne ke josh mein hai.
There are hard core supporters like that of a movie star and they will see the movie irrespective of how it is. But the fate is decided by fence sitters. They listen to chatter/media. Whatever that has happened in last 3-4 days is not good for AAP. Personally I want them to grow organically with time and based on performance, instead of just harping that they are honest and rest are corrupt.
There’s nothing hardcore about my support for AAP. Mainly because I’m NOT politically inclined. It’s just that the aam aadmi really looks marginalised to people visiting but most others don’t even notice it. I see hope and base my support on that AND on facts.
Even looking at all this from the fence should not seem as black as those who are looking at it blindfolded.
This so called anarchy had a positive reason. Riots are anarchy. Breaking structures are anarchy. Looting and burning buses, cars, damaging property etc during a street demonstration/Dharna is anarchy.
All I can say is that most media and armchair critics have never seen anything like this before and are so confused that they are promptly trotting out the established *theories* (based on past incidences) instead of seeing for what it is.
If the metro hadn’t been closed there would have not been any traffic jams, but of course that was the way the police/government mafia handled it.
jai prakash narayanan’s movement is rated as the biggest in modern independent india on which movement of anna hazare was based to ave democracy only
even laloo was credible student of law and worked under him and did many good ( all these gimmics and funness are for hardcore voters to make joke on oneself – imagine man is so intelligent that he conned some or for some big miracle or performance to think railway was doing wonders under him and came out of loss
third front government has been before and there have been prime ministers ….media agar chadhati hai to utati bhi hai
anarchy in a democracy never have valid reasons and first there should be proper ground which is non existent
But these movements fizzled out. Nothing happened -because at some point the aam aadmi was pushed to the background. Hope this movement stays, by involving the people.
“To Govern” is the power lust both the parties have, and this type of governance has to change. ‘Governance’ has all kinds of ‘other’ meanings to them.
I prefer AAP’s ‘people involvement’ ways of governance, or at least the seed of it is being sown.
The concept of this is difficult to understand, and take shape in an environment where this is not understood.
How this seed sprouts and flourishes depends on the people. If it doesn’t I’ll be out of discussions and the supporters of the other two parties can have a field day while the parties hold the country to ransom.
and ya even for buliding infrastructure sheila in delhi( one of the better things atleast) requires time and there is saying room was not built in a day
classic case in point jyoti kep on giving freebies in west bengal(still the cheapest metro) but it went bakwards like anything with violnce, street anarchy ( from one intellectual captal to now….enough said)
This article itself says, “People support but question method”. Again, these are straw polls. Here is my take: we are not in the midst of the French or Russian Revolutions wherein a vast majority of people had no work and no food on the table, which forced all of them into the streets and brought down the existing governing systems/structure. The vast majority of Delhiites are employed and are only looking for good governance. The existing system already has the rules/regulations in place, but not an efficient governing authority to implement those rules.
Now, a person comes along promising to provide that efficiency by dint of his honesty and touted past experience. But then he turns around to say, I cannot do it myself, you need to come out on the street to help me out. He expects people to leave their daily jobs/wages (which provide food on their tables) and support him in a dharna! This is where he loses support of the masses. He is genuinely inconveniencing their daily lives which he actually needed to enhance.
Other than this past incident, his other misadventures such as Junta Darbar, forgiving electricity bills, etc. provide proof that he does not deeply strategize his actions. He seems to be shooting from the hip. No one questions his honesty or integrity. But every honest person cannot be fit for every job. Maybe he simply cannot get out of his idealistic cage and land into a world of pragmatism. No one said this was going to be easy. India is so corrupt that it makes ‘corruption enablers’ out of the most honest people. Literally, the AAP would have had to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. But that is exactly what the job demanded, and they promised they would do it. In 20 days, they got stifled with the existing machinery, raised their hands up and gave up. This is a chess match, they need to hunker down, and go about it wisely. Not the blundering way in which Somnath has approached his job and diverted the entire focus of the people.
Which is why I keep saying, what is the need to over-stretch yourself. Why send Kumar Vishwas to Amethi. Could he have not spent time in Delhi with the constituency which elected him? Why jump straight to the PM chair. First formulate an efficient governance system in Delhi, hone it up, then replicate that template to the rest of India. That will take several years, not a few days. AAP needs to step back and think, analyze.
>The vast majority of Delhiites are employed and are only looking for good governance.
That’s what you think. Most earn a pittance. Is that called employment?
Police harass those who want to be self employed by demanding hafta, be it the autorickshaw drivers, vendors etc
No, the people want *safety*, security from police itself, and better facilities.
Please watch the NDTV interview of AK, the link I’ve posted. Clearing up your false notions on matters of electricity etc for which you should also watch the other link which is in more detail – you’ll find both interesting, I promise you. You might not agree, but at least you’ll get your facts to then talk and discuss. As of now you’re just mouthing rhetorical stuff meted out by armchair critics and the media. Get information from the horses mouth.
For your convenience I’ll give you three links. Interviews are the best because it is straight from the right people to hear to rather than the news published.
delhi is the city of migrants who come here to earn labour not pittance to support family some in low paid to some technocrats (know what is technocrats)…
they require rozi and roti and for that requires growth (and ya even 16 out 28 aap wallah’s elected are crorepati )
If you own a house in Delhi (or any other big city) you automatically become a crorepati. My relatives in Delhi have houses (for ages) and are crorepatis because of that. LOL
The only one who might have assets other than a house is perhaps Shazia.
But AAP doesn’t say aam aadmi is ghareeb aadmi. It means all those suffering under the system one way or other. All those who can’t have their work done because of no ‘contacts’ or ‘approach’ or connection, or have to bribe their way through, or pay exorbitant ‘donations’ just to get your child educated…I could go on.etc
“Most earn a pittance. Is that called employment?”
The way to solve this is to formulate policy that sets minimum wages. I too was in India last month, and asked people around, why do you guys not accept even a $1/hr as minm wage. If you can implement it, the Indian economy will just shoot off like a rocket. Instead of that, the Cong sets Rs 30/day as poverty minimum! So, even if you want to solve this in Delhi, why not formulate legislation in the Delhi Vidhan Sabha to set minm wages for the Delhi state?
Unilaterally fixing electicity rates by not balancing the budget is not a solution. The state will go bankrupt soon. None of this was going to be done without properly formulating policy.
The reality is that it takes months of efforts to just table a bill in the Vidhan Sabha. Where is that effort taking place by the AAP? People elected them to go do things with a legislative route, not to sit in dharnas every second day. The jhadu is a great symbol, but trying to sweep garbage from one room to another, does not clean the house.
Am not aware of the details /nor I’m interested, but do feel that a ‘third option’ in national politics is good for any country (moreso something of indias size n diversity)–keeps the mainstream politics on its toes.
Aap seems to be immature/inexperienced & are trying to do too much n too soon thus ruffling too many feathers..
BUT the bottom line about this arvind guy is that he is educated, means business & is not latching onto caste/religion.
Think Oldgold has a point that he is trying to do something..
The implementation maybe hasty , immature but the intent and direction seems fine, and that is a big big plus.
Just like the well-known ‘crab mentality’ there’s no point waiting for such movements to fail. Those like Cretin bhagat will do well to write the script of yeh next three idiots to sell to aamir rather than come up with his (amusing) comment of ‘aap=item girl of politics!’ Lol
It would be a shame if this opportunity goes waste and people fool themselves by latching onto narrow myopic agendae.
These aap-like forces have a role even if they don’t come to power.
Bravo comment there Apex and you remain unique with your thought process and easily the blogger of this site and reason for revisiting here. Keep up your one man show and much needed balance to this Satyamworld!!
Just back from a recent trip from India and ground level support for AAP is tremendous and Kejriwal has simply taken wind out of Modi’s sail in northern belt at the moment. He is representing the real change people in India are yearning for. Congress and Rahul Gandhi are done deal but AAP may surprise Lok Sabha polls big time if they can field candidates timely in all constituencies. I don’t know about the expatriate crowd but even the ‘internet hindus’ residing in India are coming on board to this AAP bandwagon Joining AAP party online has become a ‘in’ thing among youths
With each trip to India, I see Indian corruption hitting new lows and unfortunately it’s the educated class who is fxxxing the nation more and more eating up this nation and its new drawn wealth.
This time I experienced the corruption in Indian health system and private hospitals first hand and felt disgusted with money making racket prevailing in the system and doctors act as butchers and system working like a mafia. The way money has seeped in this noble profession that I am at loss of words.
I was never a big follower of Anna and the Kejriwal movement and thought of Kejriwal as some opportunist slime ball but he seems to have connected the dots very well and now means business and hope he gets all the support he needs. In that regards kudos to Aamir for showing open support just hope AAP gets the funding to sustain this movement.
Amir showed support for AAP? Did he? I might just start liking him. LOL
Every visit to India, I come back with this idea of two worlds.
The one with money to visit the supermarkets selling exclusive products and visiting Van Heusen (or some such thing) and the other Lot of whom the former are oblivious (or insensitive) about. On the other hand the latter is very much aware of the presence of the former.
a graduate who spent 7 years massively in medical education will and repeat look for returns and so do any corporate system workking on profit ….thing there is not corruption but education reforms an ya for farmer delhi imports everything no farming is there,
farming ki sensitivity or medical things other states main hai thing before going here and there
Rockstar it’s not the corporatization or rate of return for 7 years of investment.
It’s the corruption in the system for capital gains. Had a close relative admitted for a regular discomfort feeling. She was wrongly diagnosed and overdosed/sedated with expensive drugs just to inflate medical bills. Then the detoxification of these medicines from brain and nervous system took another 3 days but by then she caught UTI on the day of dismissal. One thing led to another and finally she was shifted to ICU where bills started to run upto 70-80k daily. On top of this we were given permission to see patient for only 30 mins in the morning and then only 15 mins in the evening and 2 people at a time. These modern hospital following Western /European style due to strict hospital policies give no access to patient. Not even spouse or blood relation (unlike US ) could stay with her.
After 19 days of cat and mouse game, the lady passed away and we were told to pay the hefty balance bills to get access to her body. Later we found out she was kept on ventilators for 3 extra days just to run heavy bills even after being dead. Further we had no idea if medications/ antibiotics billed to us were actually administered to her
If this was one of experience I would just accept this as pure bad luck but turns out, 80% of patient and visitors we talked to have similar stories. There is a medical racket among doctors/ pharmacy within the hospital complex where they just circulate the drugs and doctors make extra bucks Do you know there are murmurs never to take a patient above age 45 to these private hospitals otherwise they will invariably put u in ICU and do some procedure on you just to make money. This lady was billed Rs 40,000/ daily just for antibiotics and daily bill was running Rs 70-80k. Doctors in hospital were treated as gods and this ‘specialist’ and ‘that specialist’ but never had time to discuss her condition with us. Each specialist was giving his own medication not realizing the medications may be acting against each other.
This two tier medical system is worse than before. At least earlier we had one type of system and you had no other option but turn to govt hospitals if condition became serious but with this advent of private hospitals and nursing home , the middle class is now screwed. There are people actually selling land / property to pay medical bills as who would like his mother to die if there is a possibility if she can be saved with money..
Its far worse than what I have put up here , but the word is spreading fast and most of them getting a bad name ….let’s see where all this ends up.
Totally agree with MSD. We went through the exact same experience in 2007 at a private hospital in India. My grand-aunt had a hip replacement done. This is such a routine surgery in the US, the patients are usually out in less than a week. The hospital saw that we are NRIs, and the string of daily 50k bills started.One of my relatives who happens to be a US doc was there luckily and took the doctors to task. She literally breathed down their throats against the extreme malpractices been attempted and rescued my aunt. Unfortunately, after we came back to the US, she developed an infection at home, and was admitted again. Within 5 days she passed away, and we were beyond grief to understand how this happened.
Docs in India are extremely corrupt. I have actually seen sacks of money under beds in doc homes. There is an urgent need to reform the system out there.
In fact desi docs in the US sometimes wonder why they came here, when their own medical collegues out there in India are earning several times more. But when they see the extreme malpractice, they wonder how the Indian docs have lost all conscious. I had started telling all affluent Indians to just take a flight to the US for medical needs. They would be better served, even after footing the massive bills. At least they would not lose their lives.
One of the AAP candidates who won had a similar story. His wife was ill, and every time a nurse or a doctor came in to administer injection/intravenous/give medicine, she demanded money before administering any of the above.
He not being a moneyed person finally went bankrupt, wife died and he was a broken man. Then he joined AAP.
AAP did say they would work towards removing corruption in hospitals, and schools etc.
In schools they have already done something about donations. Lets see.
ya but in case of nri’s or any middleclassfirst hunch would be go to a big private player rather than cheap government hospitals where doctors themselves run part time business and facilities are not on par… there was always a nexus between pharmacist and hospital which in india can be seen by nearby many pharmacist residing near hospital or private doctors gaining benifit…
isn’t making government hospital on par with private player won’t make it a level field or increase competitiveness
“other parties say give us your vote and we’ll govern you well, while this party says give us your vote and we’ll still not govern you, but let you do it.”
Well, well. As they say, ‘chhadhte suraj ko sab pranaam karte hain’. I’d like to know what he has to say about the present situation.
Is he going to give up immediately on AAP and suttle away or wait till the dust settles down and one sees clearly.
BJP is making hay in this artificial sunlight, and there is so much of noise by media etc.
Just read bits of the hectic ‘fights’ going on here-amusing stuff.
Learn ‘restraint’ & ‘maturity’ folks (from me) lol
I’m busy with some pending work but good to see how Satyam is obsessed with me and is mentioning me in a discussion in a debate rather in a thread where I’m not even there, infact ave not even commented.
Just a note for everyone here.. this thread will be closed relatively soon.. it has about 400 comments.. a different political thread will be opened up.
I had seen this interview. See, I do not doubt their accomplishments, but disagree with some of their actions. Eg, the subsidies he doles out, which can just be budget busters. He is candid, no doubt, and very eloquent in stating out his positions. But then, the dharna was a fiasco. So its sputters like these which make me believe that with the Lok Sabha decisions he is taken on more than he can handle .
A relative in Jaipur recently mentioned how he was hounded by the IT dept there, made to pay lakhs every year due to their threats. One day he decided to not pay, so they promptly seized his accounts and emptied out 50lakhs! He went to court, and once again the same ghoos-khori started for his case to be opened. Totally disheartened, threw in his lot with the AAP. He stated that even the BJP with two-third majority in Rajasthan will not change this corruption. So he is totally in with the AAP and has been asking everyone to join. He says that the AAP will indeed bring about a revolution, provided they field the proper candidates everywhere. He is worried that in their rush for expansion, they will let in many fakers who will eventually tarnish the party. The media scrutiny will be harsh if unsavory elements get in to the party and cause more embarrassment.
I’ve been following AAP minutely from much before the elections, and this story about your relative is a common thread among most AAP members. Most have joined in due to disillusionment, like that MLA who had the hospital expreience.
I hope people will not give up so easily and so soon. At the moment what is dominating is the racial element, the ‘law breaking (?), theexploitation by BJP etc
Later when the media finds other interests it will be realised that at least ;
-here a man listened to the people who voted for him.
-The people could *approach* him.
-He acted immediately at a late hour at night
Now ‘how’ he went about it has to be improved upon. But isn’t the points mentioned something good, and what AAP promised?
Discussion behind closed doors about the demand of AAP re: SHOs would have gone unheard of. Today the people know what went on (whether they approve or not).
I’m all for this openness.
Slowly even the people will learn how to handle this openness of a government.
But you do have to understand that a lot of what AAP is doing in Delhi has already been done in other states. There is a reason Modi keeps harping on the development record. Much as you hate him, you have to concede that Gujjus are not mad to elect him three times. So on a national level, Kejriwal still has to take some time to spread the model. The timing of these elections have caused all the chaos. Had Lok Sabha elections been after a year, the AAP would have emerged mightily. (Or perhaps the Cong would not have let AAP survive that long).
So again, he really needs to consolidate Delhi and surrounding areas. He should not get carried away and commit blunders.
LOL congress was elected 3 times in a row in Delhi.
It means nothing.
It just means there was no attractive alternative.
Which brings me to the point that AAP *has* to stand for as many LS seats as possible. It’s not as if AAP from Delhi is going to struggle all over India. It’s the AAP units of that area which are going to be working.
An alternative has to be provided to the voter to make elections healthy otherwise it is a sick one with no choice except a Modi, or a Rahul. People like me who don’t want congress because of their scams or a Modi because I associate him with riots and BJP also has scams, what should one do? So AAP would be a good choice for people who want to come out of the muck of BJP/Congress.
india has history of alternatives and in case regional parties and ya without prejudice there are many who think shela has done decent but has to pay heavy price for congress misdeeds in delhi….case in point infrastructure and metro
and let me say unless and until a part with majority or close to it won’t come to centre there will be weak governments(coalition one) which will always lead to policy paralysis
You keep posting links to articles written by people who don’t support this. There are articles of people who support this. If I want I could flood the page with these articles, but that’s not productive.
Listen to the people themselves and hear what they have to say, and then give the opiniopn.
We can’t carry out discussions with other peole’s opinion.
Giving that newspaper link was also something I normally don’t do. Even they write what they want to.
So the best thing is to listen to debates and interviews which help you to keep up with the facts – to some extent.
So here’s the very first interview of AK (few days ago) with Sardesai. Barkha’s is the same, but with some differences.
What I mean is you can’t link to an article supporting your view based on (??) because both sides can do that. But if you hear the FACTS from the horses mouth and then give your opinion, it helps. At least I’m not trying to analyse and refute somebody’s opinion who isn’t even on this page.
It’s also very time consuming.
you don’t mean anything but randomly goes on here and there and its absurdity
which are the horses mouth, if suppose lalu says his raj was not jungle raj do you think people in bihar will listen, people look for implementation and things on ground rather than quotes from horses mouth…lt it be any leader
Yes, if Lalu says his raj wasn’t jungle Raj it doesn’t end there. you’ll hear the interviewer corner him and how he tackles gives you the impression of the whole thing instead of reading it somewhere.
The expressions formed from the person under discussion , his body language, his demeanour helps much.
“Bravo comment there Apex and you remain unique with your thought process and easily the blogger of this site and reason for revisiting here. Keep up your one man show and much needed balance to this Satyamworld!!”
@ MSDhoni–thanks & u also make some v good points above esp on such a ‘st/health’ system…
“Even as the administration claimed it had acted promptly, more gruesome details emerged. Villagers told TOI on Thursday that after the kangaroo court ordered her to be sexually savaged, the woman was placed on a raised bamboo platform so that the gang-rape was viewed by the entire village, children included.
“If the family does not pay up, go and enjoy yourselves,” is what headman and now prime accused Boloi Murdy allegedly told the men. ”
And women activists not collecting signatures for action against such a system.
I don’t know which incidence was more humiliating to women.
Oh, sorry, she’s Indian and of course that doesn’t give any opportunity of showing you aren’t racial.
in enthusism one can say many things but things again has to be lot be perspective:
bengal has 30 years of communist rule and now with a women chief minister who herself is known for some other views …yahan kejri or anyone kya karega when some women themselves are accusing law minister for checking out women’s private parts ….
and the state mentioned is the classical example of giving freebies by commies , with regular dharna ( it is still the cheapest metro in india out of 4 ) and at times violence during elections and look where it has resided once from being political and intellectual capital of india… it is governance
SATYAMSHOT 
October 29, 2013 at 11:23 PM
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November 4, 2013 at 5:16 PM
Rockstar:
ya was just pointing how another strong dynasty with legal background was the intiating force in court and face of media in grab of earning spotlight
real eye opener is coming from the man who was one of the main reason for finishing off terrorism in punjab ala crushing off khalistan movement in punjab
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investigation/modi-was-never-communal-in-his-conduct-gill
Mr Modi said, “Gill Sahib, we have been talking to each other through Mr Mitra or Mr Advani but I want to request you now in person that I am not finding any solution to this violence, I am not getting a fit police response which could end the riots, I sought more force from the neighbouring States which happen to be Congress-ruled States, but they refused. Media, opposition parties and activists have launched a false anti-Modi campaign that I am behind all these riots, which is not true. My first principle as a devout Hindu and as a politician is ‘Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavanthu (May all the people in the world be happy and peaceful).’ I believe in this prayer and I start my day as a politician with it. I have lot of faith in you, the country is indebted to you for saving Punjab from going out of the Union. Without cops like you there can be no democracies, there can be no political leaders and there can be no kings. I will personally be thankful to you for my life if you can help ending this mayhem at the earliest. The onus now is on you to fail me or make me successful as a democratic leader.”
The first step Gill took within three days of joining there was transferring all those officers who failed to prevent the riots in their areas. Mr Gill interacted with all those officers and based on his assessment of their competency and intentions he got them transferred from sensitive posts. Those officers expected to be fair in their working were given sensitive posts.
Mr Gill says, “Mr Modi provided me full freedom to transfer those officers whom I considered ineffective in terms of preventing violence as per their record of the past few days. The kind of free hand Mr Modi gave me to apply my strategies was given to me in Punjab by Sh. Beant Singh and through the pages of this book I want to make it clear to one and all that Modi was never communal in his conduct during this whole mayhem. He only conducted himself as an able administrator, whether it was during my tenure as Security Advisor or before it…
“My observation is that when things like riots, terrorism, natural calamities, etc. happen then sometimes the administration or the Government gets stupefied by it. In those circumstances the administration is not able to find an appropriate solution to the problem which leads to inordinate delays.
“This delay is sometimes used by the opposition parties to tarnish the image of the Government. Media also plays a negative role by being judgemental and describing those false statements by the opposition leaders or other people who are anti-Government, as facts. The allegations may be proved false later on but this false propaganda created through media initially, goes a long way in developing wrong perceptions about that Government or the leader and this happened with Mr Modi in 2002. Moreover, the stupefaction was compounded by the fact that Mr Modi was new to Chief Ministership.
“What I feel is, the media should not only behave as a critic of the Government all the times, they ought to sometimes understand the crisis situation for the Government and act as a supporting arm to it, which unfortunately media failed to do in 2002 vis-à-vis the Gujarat riots. From my first-hand experience of the Gujarat situation I can say with conviction that the Gujarat riots were not the failure of Mr Narendra Modi; instead it was the failure of the Gujarat Police as well as the intentions of the Chief Ministers of the neighbouring States which had then denied forces to Gujarat when the riots started.”
Extracted from KPS Gill: The Paramount Cop by Rahul Chandan, Maple Press, 244 pages, Rs 295, paperback.
such thing will be tough to sell as everyone knows whats the cause in muzzafarnagar …..
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November 4, 2013 at 5:16 PM
Pradip:
Thank U Rockstar for putting this very important revelation.
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November 4, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Rockstar:
ya pradip shocking part is the case teesta stelvad( who happens to be downtrodden and messiah) is the granddaughter of m.c.stelvad the first attorney general of india and a known nehruvian(congress)..though its other the fake affidavit and strong silence of how victim’s money went into gutters and beserk silence on that especially on part of indian media
that what i mean by strong legal dynasty who prompt grip on legal matter went into hiding
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November 4, 2013 at 5:18 PM
Rockstar:
recent muzaffnagar riots in u.p a case between jats and muslim riots but again you try to bring ruling opposition party a leader into play but in reality the person whose name came up happens to be aviation minister and in u.p biggest leader of jats(though it was political) and how does administration in centre and state counters that:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/centre-likely-to-declare-quota-for-jats-to-counter-modis-backward-card/1190649/2
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November 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/90-per-cent-indians-oppose-bjp-pm-nominee-narendra-modi-javed-akhtar/432712-37-64.html
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November 7, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Modi’s real howler recently was suggesting that Nehru becoming PM was a mistake and that Patel should have been there instead. Akhtar said on twitter that Modi wasn’t even a pygmy in front of Nehru and I quite agree. Of course the unfortunate thing is that Nehru as the well-meaning but bumbling leader is a view that has very many takers in ‘multiplex’ India. People who don’t know what they’re talking about but that’s another matter. Because the ‘aggressive’ posture fostered on the Right doesn’t find Nehru adequate in this sense and even those not on this side of the political debate have this characteristically bourgeois fascination with power and authority (notice in the contemporary age this over-investment in the figure of absolute authority from the corporate type to the gangster to the Sarkar-like leader and so on.. in exact proportion to the democratization of real politics and hence a system where absolute power becomes increasingly improbable) and therefore are sympathetic to the claim. Of course the Right disposed of Gandhi and has long wishes to retroactively dispose Nehru as well. Not sure if one would wish to be in their India (!) but in any case Modi’s remark has many takers. Interestingly in 1948 there was a crisis in the making at the Babri mosque and at that point Patel had given shoot-on-sight orders for anyone getting close to the mosque let alone trying to destroy it. So here too the right-wing reading of Patel is quite faulty. He was to the right of Nehru, had perhaps somewhat more authoritarian tendencies but he wasn’t crazy! Of course disliking Nehru’s India is a bit like disliking Lincoln’s America! No time travel possible in either case though one is free to polemicize all one wishes.
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November 7, 2013 at 1:10 PM
I am not well versed in politics of that era to comment but as you suggested Patel was more of right to what Nehru stood for.
My issues with above tweets is that Indian democracy is not based on more than 50% votes. Most of the times we elect law makers with 30% vote. So in theory 70% don’t like that person.
Other comment is that if only 10% are amiable to person then why bother talking about him and making him important. He is a regional satrap?
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November 7, 2013 at 1:21 PM
don’t disagree there.. Javed Akhtar gets carried away sometimes..
I’d just add this though, sometimes the leader might not be as big as the ideas he (or she) represents. And those ideas might be dangerous ones. Hitler never got more than one third of the vote but his ideas clearly had a lot more takers than that.
On a related note to the above one I should also add that within the same multiplex classes Indira Gandhi is an absolute icon. For precisely the same sorts of reasons. I find some aspects of her record absolutely impossible to overlook but again the same authoritarianism appeals to people and not just in India. Democracy tends to be a very messy process and at some point the authoritarian seduction becomes potent.
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November 7, 2013 at 1:28 PM
Atleast he is not like the diplomatic khans who are afraid to offend. Career ka sawaal hai. And why cant he condemn akhilesh with the same vigour for the UP riots?
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November 12, 2013 at 9:08 PM
well said Munna.
aside- wow I missed some good action here, fursat mein padhna padega all the comments !!!
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November 8, 2013 at 12:15 AM
isn’t it was the same guy who written maut ka saudagar for gujrat election and said gujratis don’t like him who are those 90% …may be his faggot islamists
sardar did 560 integration of state and everyone knows what nehru did with kashmir when sardar was totally against going to uno and see what we have after 60 years..a headache
adequacy comes with merit on guard… the word pygmi comes up on merit not hyberbole
modi’s father was not motilal nehru who gave him everything on platter or when he did sychophancy for power ….
patel was one of the few who warned gandh( of future assasination attemt)i for what hasto come … he was staunchly opposed to giving money to pakistan which will be used against india (kashmir) in 1948 and thats what happened when mood in country was allready boiling leading to killing of 12 lakh people in partition
ya sardar defeated nehru 12-0 in race for being first pm of india… did nehru backed down when election had to be unanimous\
these are facts which will not be hidden by verbose
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November 8, 2013 at 12:19 AM
see the end …paisa goli chalene ki liye kashmir main nahi milega…it was mohandas karamchand gandhi who went into anshan and made it changed
btw there are many refrences where sardar was called communalist by nehru
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November 8, 2013 at 12:31 AM
thing is why heat is on different scenario gets unfolded:
congress mp javed akhtar has to serve his mater but his sucess of script came up with salim( salim-javed) the father of salman khan openly taking him on and supporting the same guy on whom this is spitting venom
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November 8, 2013 at 12:56 AM
logically question to be asked why they say nehru should not have been pm and sardar should have been forget administrative skill look at economic policies which lead india down by 40 years
when economy was liberalised in 1991( by narshimbha rao from non dynasty when india was on verge of bankruptcy and imf advised us it itself indicated how policies faulty where for so long)…bankruptcy along with red tapism and corruption:
a brilliant artile from past:
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/nehruvians-unite-against-modi
ehruvians unite against Modi
Narendra Modi with Muslim supporters during his Sadbhavna Mission fast in Gujarat’s Panchmahal district last month. PTI
ll politics may be local, but business is global, and the business of Narendra Modi’s Gujarat is business. An approach that has enabled Modi to ensure that practically all households in his state have access to (uninterrupted) electricity and power. A change from Gurgaon, where the (Haryana) state and Central treasuries get mounds of taxes that get repaid in the form of crater-filled roads, power shortages, water disruptions and an administration unbothered about anything other than raising cash for itself and for its political masters. Gurgaon shows better than anything else the disconnect between public administration and private in India, with skyscrapers needing huge dollops of diesel for power, and employees spilling over onto streets that war-ridden Afghanistan would be ashamed of.
Gurgaon represents Nehruvian India, a state where the sole purpose of the administration is self-perpetuation and the squeezing of surplus from citizens not privileged to be “New British”, i.e. officials or politicians. It is a construct that has been embraced by both these groups, for the power it gives them over the lives of ordinary citizens. Just as British apologists for colonial loot talked of the “civilising” effects of the Raj, claiming that everything from railways to roads would never have come about but for them, India’s post-1947 New British chatter incessantly about “democracy”, a system whereby less than a dozen families rule over three-fourths of those elected to state and national legislatures. Talking to those whose workplace is atop Raisina Hill, it is difficult not to imagine that they consider themselves to be the rulers of a vast colony, which is the rest of India. That they, and they alone, have the right to decide matters that affect any state, any district. Indeed, that the rest of the country is simply incapable of self-governance.
Although India has gone the opposite way of Pakistan, where the share of minorities in the total population has fallen to less than a tenth of what it was pre-1947, this country has had its ethos shamed by repeated pogroms, whether of Dalits or of Sikhs or of Muslims, or even of “caste” Hindus. Delhi 1984 or Mumbai 1993 were inexcusable, as much so as the violence that stained Gujarat after the massacre of karsevaks in Godhra. None of the high-level policymakers involved in incidents previous to (or after) the Godhra riots of 2002 have faced the criticisms focused on Narendra Modi. The crescendo of hate that daily crests towards Modi may be partly based on the fact that Nehruvians are aware that the Gujarat Chief Minister represents their antithesis, in a way that Atal Behari Vajpayee or Jyoti Basu never could be. The only periods when a genuine non-Nehruvian became PM was when Morarji Desai and P.V. Narasimha Rao occupied that post. Both were subjected to vitriol by overt and covert defenders of the Nehru ethos, whether these be in politics or in academe or in the media.
Nehruvian ideology and methods are based on the implicit belief that the Raj was the best thing that ever happened to India, and that therefore its institutions, mindset and laws ought to be retained in their entirety. That the people of India are not mature enough to be trusted with superintending their own destinies, and therefore need to constantly check back with some minion or the other of the administration before being allowed to do even simple tasks. Simply put, the politico-administrative elite that replaced the British in 1947 are the only adults in the country, and the rest are just children. Small wonder that Indians have not been given the access to the internet bandwidth that others in Asia enjoy, or while Japan has 5G, India still crawls along with 3G, where that service is available at all. The choke points that the British erected succeeded in emasculating the Indian economy. The continuation of the colonial policy of excessive regulation ensures that India grows at a speed less than half of the 15% that the genius of its people would easily achieve, if only they were given the same conditions that are enjoyed by counterparts in other countries.
Enter Narendra Modi. All of him is Indian, none of him owes anything to Raj influences. Were he to ever become Prime Minister, he would be unlikely to go the Vajpayee way, accepting the Nehru model of governance, including in foreign and education policy, rather than ensuring that the country move on from the shadow of the British occupation. Modi wants the English language to spread in India, but not British attitudes. He trusts domestic industry and wants it to expand to foreign shores, rather than dwarf them in favour of foreign companies. Only in Nehruvian India can the civil servant who crafted the laws and regulations that enabled Vodafone to avoid paying nearly $4 billion in taxes on a wholly India-based transaction continue to enjoy his or her retirement. In a country less enslaved by its colonial past, the person would have been brought to account. In Gujarat, Modi has not followed the model of the man responsible for ensuring that Jawaharlal Nehru got anointed to continue the legacy of the Raj, but Vallabbhai Patel. Those who want to know what India would have looked like under 17 years of Patel need only go to Modi’s Gujarat.
these days, internet fora gush venom on Narendra Modi, not by Muslim or Christian voices but by those who claim to be “pure” Hindutva followers. His destruction of roadside temples irks them, as does his refusal to give them a voice in administrative matters, the way Nehruvians always do. The post-Godhra riots were a huge blot, but thereafter, there has not been a single death due to communal — or caste — violence in Gujarat. As Chief Minister, Modi is now stressing the neutrality of the administration in matters of faith, which of course is very different from the Nehruvian polity, which incessantly tells the Muslim community — the strongest single group in the country and a force with powerful international resonance — that they are helpless victims rather than masters of their own fate. The Indian people are one, and deserve better than to be always told that each is different from the other. Ten years after Godhra, the state seems to have moved on, the way Mumbai did after the 1993 horror or Delhi after the genocidal attack on Sikhs in 1984. Should Narendra Modi ever become PM, he would consign to history the Nehruvian system as surely as Deng Xiaoping took China away from Mao Thought in the 1980s. Small wonder that Nehruvians across the world have united against him.
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November 12, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Ya Javed Akhtar coined that phrase …
BTW- not a word from him against Tehlka importing a Taliban..
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November 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM
Salim on Modi (15:46 marker) :
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November 8, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Though Salim Khan is busy singing paeans of praise to himself notice how the ‘personal relationship’ angle is not as uncomplicated as it might seem. I know this is not what Salim Khan is thinking about since he just wants to hammer the point that he wants nothing from Modi. Perhaps he’s sensitive to the fact that he might be criticized for being pals with Modi! In any case this is one of the points Dev (Nihalani) examined. Which is why the whole friendship angle was very important. Because the question of political ethics is implicated in the question of friendship and vice versa. I cannot expand on all of this here but Derrida has an extraordinary text on this called the Politics of Friendship. So Bachchan and Om Puri are friends. They come from different political camps. Beyond a point though Om Puri’s politics damages the friendship. Not from his side but Bachchan’s side because Bachchan can no longer ignore the character of the friend as he sees it. The ethical duty he sees in front of him prevents him from carrying on with the friendship. Now where in the Mahabharata do we see a parallel?! In other words I cannot say ‘my friend is a rapist but I just have a personal relationship with him which has nothing to do with how he acts otherwise’! I cannot say ‘I have a personal relationship with Stalin’. I cannot say that a Muslim extremist blowing up others is just a ‘personal’ friend and otherwise I have nothing to do with his politics. So on and so forth. Within reason differences of opinion are fine. Rocky excuses me for being on the left and I excuse him for not having completed the learning process (!) and we then talk about AAA. However things would be different if Rocky started organizing riots or I started doing the same. A friendship that transcends ‘any’ politics is not worthy of the name.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:18 PM
a dishonest and selective spin now lets apply the same other way
akhtar is congess mp , to serve congress election manifesto bharat nirman ads dialogues where penned by him and ya even his criticism is a straight lift off congress workers
on bachchan:
in 96 he famously said no foreigner should be allowed to be pm and even had nri status once
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November 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM
What’s funny is you guys keep calling me dishonest and then ask me to ‘honestly’ accept ‘the facts’! Not sure how I can be or do both!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:25 PM
check who started first if you have comprehension problem:
others who criticise nehru don’t know, full of rage, disnost and bla bla
if you can’t take it then don’t start
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November 8, 2013 at 1:28 PM
“others who criticise nehru don’t know, full of rage, disnost and bla bla”
my bad.. I assumed you didn’t know as much as scholars working in the field writing massive histories of India or multi-volume biographies on Nehru and others..
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November 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Anyone watching 24 hours of anil kapoor?
Quite gripping.
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November 7, 2013 at 2:11 PM
It is atrocious for most part(not compared to regular sops but it remaking a hit show, so my bar is little high). I cringe most of the times with dialogues and situations.
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November 8, 2013 at 7:00 AM
Great Points Rockstar,
Great Bong’s tweets and his blogs on Modi are a must read for everyone..
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November 8, 2013 at 8:18 AM
Truth vs Hype: Sardar Patel – A contested legacy
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/truth-vs-hype/truth-vs-hype-sardar-patel-a-contested-legacy/296595?pfrom=home-lateststories
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November 8, 2013 at 8:24 AM
Ramachandra Guha, canonical on these matters, has this very useful piece where he deconstructs all the anti-Nehru myths but also check out here the Patel bits:
http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/five-myths-about-jawaharlal-nehru.html
Let me put it more bluntly. Narendra Modi would have appalled Patel let alone Nehru!
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November 8, 2013 at 9:25 AM
let me put it more bluntly myths are exposed by facts not verbose especially from a man who was deconstructed for 60 years
yes these can be killed very easily with facts:
http://www.friendsoftibet.org/main/sardar.html
Ever since my return from Ahmedabad and after the cabinet meeting the same day which I had to attend at practically fifteen minutes’ notice and for which I regret I was not able to read all the papers, I have been anxiously thinking over the problem of Tibet and I thought I should share with you what is passing through my mind.
I have carefully gone through the correspondence between the External Affairs Ministry and our Ambassador in Peking and through him the Chinese Government. I have tried to peruse this correspondence as favourably to our Ambassador and the Chinese Government as possible, but I regret to say that neither of them comes out well as a result of this study. The Chinese Government has tried to delude us by professions of peaceful intention. My own feeling is that at a crucial period they managed to instill into our Ambassador a false sense of confidence in their so-called desire to settle the Tibetan problem by peaceful means. There can be no doubt that during the period covered by this correspondence the Chinese must have been concentrating for an onslaught on Tibet. The final action of the Chinese, in my judgement, is little short of perfidy. The tragedy of it is that the Tibetans put faith in us; they chose to be guided by us; and we have been unable to get them out of the meshes of Chinese diplomacy or Chinese malevolence. From the latest position, it appears that we shall not be able to rescue the Dalai Lama. Our Ambassador has been at great pains to find an explanation or justification for Chinese policy and actions. As the External Affairs Ministry remarked in one of their telegrams, there was a lack of firmness and unnecessary apology in one or two representations that he made to the Chinese Government on our behalf. It is impossible to imagine any sensible person believing in the so-called threat to China from Anglo-American machinations in Tibet. Therefore, if the Chinese put faith in this, they must have distrusted us so completely as to have taken us as tools or stooges of Anglo-American diplomacy or strategy. This feeling, if genuinely entertained by the Chinese in spite of your direct approaches to them, indicates that even though we regard ourselves as the friends of China, the Chinese do not regard us as their friends. With the Communist mentality of “whoever is not with them being against them”, this is a significant pointer, of which we have to take due note. During the last several months, outside the Russian camp, we have practically been alone in championing the cause of Chinese entry into UN and in securing from the Americans assurances on the question of Formosa. We have done everything we could to assuage Chinese feelings, to allay its apprehensions and to defend its legitimate claims in our discussions and correspondence with America and Britain and in the UN. Inspite of this, China is not convinced about our disinterestedness; it continues to regard us with suspicion and the whole psychology is one, at least outwardly, of scepticism perhaps mixed with a little hostility. I doubt if we can go any further than we have done already to convince China of our good intentions, friendliness and goodwill. In Peking we have an Ambassador who is eminently suitable for putting across the friendly point of view. Even he seems to have failed to convert the Chinese. Their last telegram to us is an act of gross discourtesy not only in the summary way it disposes of our protest against the entry of Chinese forces into Tibet but also in the wild insinuation that our attitude is determined by foreign influences. It looks as though it is not a friend speaking in that language but a potential enemy.
In the background of this, we have to consider what new situation now faces us as a result of the disappearance of Tibet, as we knew it, and the expansion of China almost up to our gates. Throughout history we have seldom been worried about our north-east frontier. The Himalayas have been regarded as an impenetrable barrier against any threat from the north. We had a friendly Tibet which gave us no trouble. The Chinese were divided. They had their own domestic problems and never bothered us about frontiers. In 1914, we entered into a convention with Tibet which was not endorsed by the Chinese. We seem to have regarded Tibetan autonomy as extending to independent treaty relationship. Presumably, all that we required was Chinese counter-signature. The Chinese interpretation of suzerainty seems to be different. We can, therefore, safely assume that very soon they will disown all the stipulations which Tibet has entered into with us in the past. That throws into the melting pot all frontier and commercial settlements with Tibet on which we have been functioning and acting during the last half a century. China is no longer divided. It is united and strong. All along the Himalayas in the north and north-east, we have on our side of the frontier a population ethnologically and culturally not different from Tibetans and Mongoloids. The undefined state of the frontier and the existence on our side of a population with its affinities to the Tibetans or Chinese have all the elements of the potential trouble between China and ourselves. Recent and bitter history also tells us that Communism is no shield against imperialism and that the communists are as good or as bad imperialists as any other. Chinese ambitions in this respect not only cover the Himalayan slopes on our side but also include the important part of Assam. They have their ambitions in Burma also. Burma has the added difficulty that it has no McMahon Line round which to build up even the semblance of an agreement. Chinese irredentism and communist imperialism are different from the expansionism or imperialism of the western powers. The former has a cloak of ideology which makes it ten times more dangerous. In the guise of ideological expansion lie concealed racial, national or historical claims. The danger from the north and north-east, therefore, becomes both communist and imperialist. While our western and north-western threat to security is still as prominent as before, a new threat has developed from the north and north-east. Thus, for the first time, after centuries, India’s defence has to concentrate itself on two fronts simultaneously. Our defence measures have so far been based on the calculations of superiority over Pakistan. In our calculations we shall now have to reckon with communist China in the north and in the north-east, a communist China which has definite ambitions and aims and which does not, in any way, seem friendly disposed towards us.
Let us also consider the political conditions on this potentially troublesome frontier. Our northern and north-eastern approaches consist of Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and the tribal areas in Assam. From the point of view of communication, there are weak spots. Continuous defensive lines do not exist. There is almost an unlimited scope for infiltration. Police protection is limited to a very small number of passes. There, too, our outposts do not seem to be fully manned. The contact of these areas with us is by no means close and intimate. The people inhabiting these portions have no established loyalty or devotion to India. Even Darjeeling and Kalimpong areas are not free from pro-Mongoloid prejudices. During the last three years, we have not been able to make any appreciable approaches to the Nagas and other hill tribes in Assam. European missionaries and other visitors had been in touch with them, but their influence was in no way friendly to India or Indians. In Sikkim, there was political ferment some time ago. It is quite possible that discontent is smouldering there. Bhutan is comparatively quiet, but its affinity with Tibetans would be a handicap. Nepal has a weak oligarchic regime based almost entirely on force: it is in conflict with a turbulent element of the population as well as with enlightened ideas of the modern age. In these circumstances, to make people alive to the new danger or to make them defensively strong is a very difficult task indeed and that difficulty can be got over only by enlightened firmness, strength and a clear line of policy. I am sure the Chinese and their source of inspiration, Soviet Union, would not miss any opportunity of exploiting these weak spots, partly in support of their ideology and partly in support of their ambitions. In my judgement the situation is one which we cannot afford either to be complacent or to be vacillating. We must have a clear idea of what we wish to achieve and also of the methods by which we should achieve it. Any faltering or lack of decisiveness in formulating our objectives or in pursuing our policies to attain those objectives is bound to weaken us and increase the threats which are so evident.
Side by side with these external dangers, we shall now have to face serious internal problems as well. I have already asked Iengar to send to the External Affairs Ministry a copy of the Intelligence Bureau’s appreciation of these matters. Hitherto, the Communist Party of India has found some difficulty in contacting communists abroad, or in getting supplies of arms, literature, etc., from them. They had to contend with the difficult Burmese and Pakistan frontiers on the east or with the long seaboard. They shall now have a comparatively easy means of access to Chinese communists and through them to other foreign communists. Infiltration of spies, fifth columnists and communists would now be easier. Instead of having to deal with isolated communist pockets in Telengana and Warrangal we may have to deal with communist threats to our security along our northern and north-eastern frontiers, where, for supplies of arms and ammunition, they can safely depend on communist arsenals in China. The whole situation thus raises a number of problems on which we must come to an early decision so that we can, as I said earlier, formulate the objectives of our policy and decide the method by which those objectives are to be attained. It is also clear that the action will have to be fairly comprehensive, involving not only our defence strategy and state of preparations but also problem of internal security to deal with which we have not a moment to lose. We shall also have to deal with administrative and political problems in the weak spots along the frontier to which I have already referred.
It is of course, impossible to be exhaustive in setting out all these problems. I am, however, giving below some of the problems which, in my opinion, require early solution and round which we have to build our administrative or military policies and measures to implement them.
a) A military and intelligence appreciation of the Chinese threat to India both on the frontier and to internal security.
b) An examination of military position and such redisposition of our forces as might be necessary, particularly with the idea of guarding important routes or areas which are likely to be the subject of dispute.
c) An appraisement of the strength of our forces and, if necessary, reconsideration of our retrenchment plans for the Army in the light of the new threat.
d) A long-term consideration of our defence needs. My own feeling is that, unless we assure our supplies of arms, ammunition and armour, we would be making our defence perpetually weak and we would not be able to stand up to the double threat of difficulties both from the west and north-west and north and north-east.
e) The question of China’s entry into the UN. In view of the rebuff which China has given us and the method which it has followed in dealing with Tibet, I am doubtful whether we can advocate its claim any longer. There would probably be a threat in the UN virtually to outlaw China, in view of its active participation in the Korean war. We must determine our attitude on this question also.
f) The political and administrative steps which we should take to strengthen our northern and north-eastern frontier. This would include the whole of the border, ie. Nepal, Bhutan, Sikkim, Darjeeling and the tribal territory in Assam.
g) Measures of internal security in the border areas as well as the states flanking those areas such as Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Bengal and Assam.
h) Improvement of our communication, road, rail, air and wireless, in these areas and with the frontier outposts.
i) The future of our mission at Lhasa and the trade posts at Gyangtse and Yatung and the forces which we have in operation in Tibet to guard the trade routes.
j) The policy in regard to the McMahon Line.
These are some of the questions which occur to my mind. It is possible that a consideration of these matters may lead us into wider question of our relationship with China, Russia, America, Britain and Burma. This, however, would be of a general nature, though some might be basically very important, e.g., we might have to consider whether we should not enter into closer association with Burma in order to strengthen the latter in its dealings with China. I do not rule out the possibility that, before applying pressure on us, China might apply pressure on Burma. With Burma, the frontier is entirely undefined and the Chinese territorial claims are more substantial. In its present position, Burma might offer an easier problem to China, and therefore, might claim its first attention.
I suggest that we meet early to have a general discussion on these problems and decide on such steps as we might think to be immediately necessary and direct, quick examination of other problems with a view to taking early measures to deal with them.
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November 8, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Vallabhbhai Patel,
7th November 1950
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November 8, 2013 at 9:27 AM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/out-of-my-mind-legacy-wars/1190528/
Was Thomas Jefferson a pioneer of freedom or a hypocritical slave owner? Was Winston Churchill a war hero or a racist? The Americans and British debate such matters all the time. Indians are shy of debating even their recent history. The Congress, having nothing to show on the economic or governance front, is nervous that its last strong card — its monopoly of Indian history — is being challenged by Narendra Modi, who recently claimed Sardar Patel as his icon.
The Congress believes it made India’s history all by itself — the Independence movement led by Gandhi-Nehru and the Nehru-Gandhi years in government. Suddenly, Congress leaders are falling over each other praising Patel. But alas, their knowledge of their own history is fragile since the memory of Patel has been erased from books written by their house historians. Patel is now hailed as ‘secular and liberal’, and an enemy of the RSS. For those who were alive then, history is very different.
The Congress had, from 1885 onwards, a predominantly Hindu membership. This was inevitable because the Hindu elite had taken advantage of British education and joined new professions. Muslims lagged behind. Gandhiji tried to forge a united Hindu-Muslim struggle for Khilafat. When he abandoned it after Chauri-Chaura, he alienated Muslims.
The Congress never regained the support of the Muslims. The Motilal Nehru Report spurned Jinnah’s request for seat sharing because the Hindu Mahasabha was against it. The Congress promised a coalition with the Muslim League in UP after the 1937 elections. When it got absolute majority, Nehru reneged on the promise. In the 1946 Constituent Assembly polls, the Congress did not win a single Muslim seat, despite the fact that Maulana Azad was its president.
The leadership of the party was largely Hindu. Nehru was isolated as a rare secular liberal leader who had the backing of a few ‘nationalist’ Muslims and socialists. And he was Gandhiji’s choice for PM. The other leaders — Patel, Rajendra Prasad, Purushottamdas Tandon — were staunch Hindu traditionalists. Mountbatten first convinced Patel about why Partition made sense. Patel got Nehru to go along. Patel was much more staunchly anti-Pakistan than Nehru. They quarrelled about protecting Muslims in India, who were being attacked by refugees arriving from Pakistan. The Hindu traditionalist wing of the Congress wanted the RSS to merge with the Congress but Nehru was against this. The Nehru-Patel quarrel nearly split the government. They asked Gandhiji to intervene, but he was assassinated on the very day he was going to reconcile them.
This shook Patel. He was blamed for the lapse of security which led to Godse getting close to Gandhiji. The government remained tense. Nehru was Prime Minister, but did not dominate the party. Tandon, Kripalani, Patel and Prasad were more powerful. It was only after Patel’s death in December 1950 that Nehru had Tandon removed from the post of president.
During the Fifties, Nehru neutralised JP, who then gave up politics. The Communist party decided to support him on the basis that Nehru led the progressive forces within the Congress and that the reactionary forces had to be countered. Who were these reactionary forces? They were the Hindu traditionalists. Patel, deemed their leader, was now gone. Prasad, Tandon and Rajaji were marginalised. Only Nehru remained as the sole Congress leader. And Gandhiji.
Once he was dominant, Nehru cracked the whip for secularism. Prasad wanted to inaugurate the restored Somnath temple but Nehru did not agree as it violated the code of secularism. It was K M Munshi who took the lead to promote Hindu revival with his movement to restore Somnath. Hindu revival thus became a Gujarati project. Patel may have been downgraded in Delhi, but he remained a Gujarati icon.
Indira Gandhi split the Congress in 1969. It was Gujarat which took the lead against her in 1974 with the Navanirman movement. Morarji Desai, ejected from the Congress by Indira, returned as the leader of the Janata Party to defeat her. It is this old Congress-Janata tradition which claims Patel as its icon. It is too late for the Congress to reclaim him.
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November 8, 2013 at 9:31 AM
again the big silence on how a rahul gandhi without assuming any office of oath can be a prime ministerial candidate its mocks democracy and is appalling to be put more bluntly
http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/bhupesh-bhandari-patel-nehru-and-big-business-113110701056_1.html
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Narendra Modi’s recent observation that India’s fate would have been different had Sardar Patel been the country’s first prime minister, instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, has caused a stampede of public opinion. Differences between the two leaders were insignificant, some have said, and these actually proved healthy for the nascent democracy. Others have said that Mr Modi has been able to lay claim to Patel only because the Congress is a party of sycophants and no leader outside the first family can lay claim to greatness. Still others have said that Mr Modi cannot be Patel’s political heir because of his hardline attitude towards the minorities. But Mr Modi’s poser remains unanswered.
“What if” questions are always tricky to answer. But one thing is for sure: unlike Nehru, Patel did not view businessmen with suspicion. Maybe if he were prime minister, India wouldn’t have gone down the socialist path that put shackles on business. Maybe because of that, we would have done better than the Hindu rate of growth. Imagine the possibilities if India had unleashed entrepreneurship way back in 1947 and not in 1991. South Korea and India were at similar levels of development in 1947 when they gained independence; look at the difference between the two now. A whole generation of entrepreneurs was lost to the licence raj.
Nehru’s dalliances with socialism started in the early 1930s. The West was in the grip of the Great Depression, while Soviet Russia was rapidly industrialising under successive five-year plans. This left a great impression on his mind. In his presidential address to the Lucknow session of the Congress in April 1936, Nehru advocated socialism: the end of private property and the profit system. This prompted 21 “mercantile leaders” of Bombay to publish a manifesto against Nehru in The Times of India and The Tribune on May 20. According to business historian Gita Piramal, seven of these were Tata men – though J R D Tata was not among them – which suggested that the business group had played a big role in the manifesto. One of the other signatories was shipping magnate Walchand Hirachand, who felt Nehru would use his position as Congress president to propagate his ideas and sideline “sensible” men like Patel.
Patel was never hostile towards business and recognised its vital role in the economy. He was particularly close to Ghanshyamdas Birla. The two would go for walks together whenever they were in the same city and would also frequently lunch together. Nehru, on the other hand, thought Birla supported the Hindu lobby within the Congress. Agnostic to the core, Nehru found no place for religion in public life. Birla, on the other hand, found Nehru’s sympathies for the Soviet Union and his socialist bent of mind a bit too much to handle. In 1936, Birla wrote to Mahatma Gandhi: “In London, Nehru was making speeches that Russia was India’s best friend and Japan a weakening power. I don’t know about Russia, but I definitely know that Japan is not a weakening power.”
Did Patel’s closeness to Birla bother Nehru? “Pundit-ji [Nehru] felt we were Patel-ji’s men, with the result that Pundit-ji didn’t look upon us with great warmth,” Ms Piramal quotes Basant Kumar, Birla’s son, in her book, Business Legends. She suggests that Birla may have met Nehru after Patel’s death, in 1950, to explain that though Birla and Patel were close, there was never any intention to cause Nehru hurt. Those who dismiss the differences between the two leaders as “academic” or “creative” would do well to read the book. In September 1947, Patel insisted Gandhi should stay in Birla House in New Delhi in view of the growing threat to his life. After Gandhi was assassinated on January 30, 1948, by a Hindu fanatic in the lawns of Birla House, Nehru wanted the house to become a national monument. Birla wasn’t keen because of his close association with Gandhi.
Patel joined the fight on Birla’s side. He wrote to Nehru from Mussoorie, where he happened to be staying with the industrialist, saying that the “public clamour [for a museum] would not have attained these dimensions if we had been bold enough [do you sense a dig here at Nehru?] to give a correct lead by making known our own opinion publicly to the people”. Gandhi, Patel said, wouldn’t have liked the idea of having a museum named after him. The museum, he added, “involves violence of the worst kind to the feelings of both Ghanshyamdas and Bapu”. If he still insisted on taking over Birla House, Patel suggested, Nehru should make available to Birla an alternative site in Delhi to build a house for which he would adequately compensate the government. Nehru rushed to Mussoorie to placate Birla and Patel. In 1971, Birla House finally became government property.
The relationship between leaders and businessmen is unidimensional – it’s driven by the principle of mutual benefit. And businessmen are practical (and also often unscrupulous) people. That’s why they never get into open confrontation with leaders. That Lala Shri Ram of Delhi Cloth Mills dared to take on Patel (before Independence) shows that businessmen did not see him as vindictive. In 1931, Patel, who was raising funds for the Congress, had sent Bhulabhai Desai to Lala Shri Ram for his contribution. Lala Shri Ram readily agreed to the request and paid Rs 10,000. Patel was not happy with the amount. He conveyed through Desai that a higher payment would be less expensive than a strike in the DCM mills. Lala Shri Ram was infuriated and told Desai that he wouldn’t budge under any threat. Patel realised that Lala Shri Ram could not be bullied. The two reconciled. Patel became a regular visitor to Lala Shri Ram’s house in New Delhi.
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November 8, 2013 at 9:35 AM
again the big silence on how a rahul gandhi without assuming any office of oath can be a prime ministerial candidate its mocks democracy and is appalling to be put more bluntly
http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/bhupesh-bhandari-patel-nehru-and-big-business-113110701056_1.html
Narendra Modi’s recent observation that India’s fate would have been different had Sardar Patel been the country’s first prime minister, instead of Jawaharlal Nehru, has caused a stampede of public opinion. Differences between the two leaders were insignificant, some have said, and these actually proved healthy for the nascent democracy. Others have said that Mr Modi has been able to lay claim to Patel only because the Congress is a party of sycophants and no leader outside the first family can lay claim to greatness. Still others have said that Mr Modi cannot be Patel’s political heir because of his hardline attitude towards the minorities. But Mr Modi’s poser remains unanswered.
“What if” questions are always tricky to answer. But one thing is for sure: unlike Nehru, Patel did not view businessmen with suspicion. Maybe if he were prime minister, India wouldn’t have gone down the socialist path that put shackles on business. Maybe because of that, we would have done better than the Hindu rate of growth. Imagine the possibilities if India had unleashed entrepreneurship way back in 1947 and not in 1991. South Korea and India were at similar levels of development in 1947 when they gained independence; look at the difference between the two now. A whole generation of entrepreneurs was lost to the licence raj.
Nehru’s dalliances with socialism started in the early 1930s. The West was in the grip of the Great Depression, while Soviet Russia was rapidly industrialising under successive five-year plans. This left a great impression on his mind. In his presidential address to the Lucknow session of the Congress in April 1936, Nehru advocated socialism: the end of private property and the profit system. This prompted 21 “mercantile leaders” of Bombay to publish a manifesto against Nehru in The Times of India and The Tribune on May 20. According to business historian Gita Piramal, seven of these were Tata men – though J R D Tata was not among them – which suggested that the business group had played a big role in the manifesto. One of the other signatories was shipping magnate Walchand Hirachand, who felt Nehru would use his position as Congress president to propagate his ideas and sideline “sensible” men like Patel.
Patel was never hostile towards business and recognised its vital role in the economy. He was particularly close to Ghanshyamdas Birla. The two would go for walks together whenever they were in the same city and would also frequently lunch together. Nehru, on the other hand, thought Birla supported the Hindu lobby within the Congress. Agnostic to the core, Nehru found no place for religion in public life. Birla, on the other hand, found Nehru’s sympathies for the Soviet Union and his socialist bent of mind a bit too much to handle. In 1936, Birla wrote to Mahatma Gandhi: “In London, Nehru was making speeches that Russia was India’s best friend and Japan a weakening power. I don’t know about Russia, but I definitely know that Japan is not a weakening power.”
Did Patel’s closeness to Birla bother Nehru? “Pundit-ji [Nehru] felt we were Patel-ji’s men, with the result that Pundit-ji didn’t look upon us with great warmth,” Ms Piramal quotes Basant Kumar, Birla’s son, in her book, Business Legends. She suggests that Birla may have met Nehru after Patel’s death, in 1950, to explain that though Birla and Patel were close, there was never any intention to cause Nehru hurt. Those who dismiss the differences between the two leaders as “academic” or “creative” would do well to read the book. In September 1947, Patel insisted Gandhi should stay in Birla House in New Delhi in view of the growing threat to his life. After Gandhi was assassinated on January 30, 1948, by a Hindu fanatic in the lawns of Birla House, Nehru wanted the house to become a national monument. Birla wasn’t keen because of his close association with Gandhi.
Patel joined the fight on Birla’s side. He wrote to Nehru from Mussoorie, where he happened to be staying with the industrialist, saying that the “public clamour [for a museum] would not have attained these dimensions if we had been bold enough [do you sense a dig here at Nehru?] to give a correct lead by making known our own opinion publicly to the people”. Gandhi, Patel said, wouldn’t have liked the idea of having a museum named after him. The museum, he added, “involves violence of the worst kind to the feelings of both Ghanshyamdas and Bapu”. If he still insisted on taking over Birla House, Patel suggested, Nehru should make available to Birla an alternative site in Delhi to build a house for which he would adequately compensate the government. Nehru rushed to Mussoorie to placate Birla and Patel. In 1971, Birla House finally became government property.
The relationship between leaders and businessmen is unidimensional – it’s driven by the principle of mutual benefit. And businessmen are practical (and also often unscrupulous) people. That’s why they never get into open confrontation with leaders. That Lala Shri Ram of Delhi Cloth Mills dared to take on Patel (before Independence) shows that businessmen did not see him as vindictive. In 1931, Patel, who was raising funds for the Congress, had sent Bhulabhai Desai to Lala Shri Ram for his contribution. Lala Shri Ram readily agreed to the request and paid Rs 10,000. Patel was not happy with the amount. He conveyed through Desai that a higher payment would be less expensive than a strike in the DCM mills. Lala Shri Ram was infuriated and told Desai that he wouldn’t budge under any threat. Patel realised that Lala Shri Ram could not be bullied. The two reconciled. Patel became a regular visitor to Lala Shri Ram’s house in New Delhi.
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November 8, 2013 at 9:45 AM
yes guha the left winger had attacked right but you know what he have to say about beloved master of ndtv:
Ramachandra Guha speaks to Madhu Trehan on his new book, Congress being a “family firm”, Hindutva hate mailers, “spineless” Manmohan Singh, the future of the Gandhis if Shastri hadn’t died, Rahul Gandhi being unfit to lead the Congress and more…
you know what he called anna hazare and kejriwal …
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November 8, 2013 at 9:50 AM
http://www.newslaundry.com/2012/12/can-you-take-it-ramachandra-guha/
he was attacked by congressi with vitrol you will be more ashamed if i post that …though he is highly cynical
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November 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM
So what? You have this mistaken notion that if I’m attacking the Right I am somehow celebrating everything the Congress is doing! Being on one side of a political divide doesn’t mean one celebrates every actor on that side. One has to be precise in these matters. When I attack Modi on the other hand I don’t do so because he’s a BJP representative or something. I attack him for reasons specific to him. I hardly ever discuss other BJP leaders even though I am hardly ideologically sympathetic to them. On Guha he can often be very polemical (or polemically shrill depending on your tastes) but he remains one of contemporary India’s most lucid political thinkers if not the absolute most. Attacking such figures of national and international repute as simply lefties gone crazy sounds very like the Tea Party criticism of Ivy League schools and what not! Ultimately one can keep exchanging articles from all kinds of sources all day long, picking and choosing what one likes, and that’s fine upto a point but this cannot take the place of serious thought and discourse. There have to be some parameters for educated opinion. There is a Fox news view of the world which sadly the Indian Right has always exhibited in droves. Which is not to say that I agree with the Left on everything. I actually don’t. But the Right often displays this impulse to ridicule even the most basic standards of discourse and inquiry as basically vast liberal plots. One can be on any side of the ideological divide but it’s simply not serious to be so dismissive of someone of the eminence of Guha.
Finally I’ll say this as a more general matter. Just because there are two sides in a debate doesn’t mean each side is equally valid. We wouldn’t have said in Nazi Germany ‘hey the Jews are saying Hitler is doing all this stuff to them but let’s go to Hitler too for the other side of the story’! Using an extreme example but this is the logic that is often used everywhere. So for instance in the US you have Tea Party nuts on one side (by any reasonable definition) and on the other side Obama and the argument often is ‘let’s not take sides. let’s be in the center’!
Ironically many of our Indian friends ridicule the Tea Party and event the Republicans when they’re in the US but use the very same arguments against the Left in India!
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November 14, 2013 at 12:34 AM
so the argumets is now just like in your fantacy land white evangelist and christian protestants dominates republican here bjp is same…just checked in last election they got 47% of votes and obama just marginally ahead so what it says about your liberal u.s…
http://www.niticentral.com/2013/11/09/modis-spectacular-rise-rattles-new-york-times-155931.html
That is not all. Romney in the run up to US Presidential elections was caught by a hidden camera commenting that 47 per cent of the country was so reliant on Government services that such people would never vote for him. In other words, his own tacit admission, a substantial section of voters were alienated from him. Yet, he was not termed as a polarising figure. According to reliable surveys carried in US, born again evangelicals and White Protestants have predominantly supported the Republican Party for time immemorial only to be counterbalanced by overwhelming support to the Democratic Party by Hispanic Catholics and Black Protestants. Yet the word ‘P’ is missing within the American political discourse.
That is not all. It may be noted that California has invariably been voting Democrats since 1992 [just as Gujarat has been voting for BJP since the mid-1990s] so much so that it is now considered an impregnable Democrat fortress. But surely, California is not termed as a ‘laboratory’ for Democrats, a term repeatedly used in the context of Gujarat and BJP!
While an average Indian is used since independence to this stereotyping ceaselessly within India by our media and ‘intellectuals, what is galling to note is that of late a substantial portion of this ‘idea’ has come to be exported to other parts of the world, notably the US. In short, contrary to the popular belief that Indian media gets influenced by global media; the question is whether international media is getting increasingly influenced by the endless rants of our media? Let me amplify.
The New York Times in its editorial on October 26, 2013 while conceding that Narendra Modi “is a leading candidate to become Prime Minister of India” opines, “His rise to power is deeply troubling to many Indians, especially the country’s 138 million Muslims and its many other minorities. They worry he would exacerbate sectarian tensions that have subsided somewhat in the last decade.”
Is the NY Times seriously suggesting that sections of Indian voters carry a veto on a PM candidate even before India goes to polls? Obviously, it fails to realise that democratic tradition is far too deep-rooted in India even to suggest that a Prime Ministerial aspirant should be rejected on a specious plea that his rise is ‘troubling’ a section of the population or that it ‘would’ exacerbate sectarian tensions.
Implicit in this argument is that Modi is anti-Muslim and by logic a good number of Muslims are threatened by his political rise. More to the point, such an idea to short-circuit democratic process is fascist – one that would do Hitler proud, not NY Times. The news daily should know, as would the average reader that Muslims are at war all over the world. That substantially if not wholly explains why flash points of global conflicts invariably involve Muslims on one hand and all other religions on the other.
Noted scholar author Samuel P Huntington in his work The Clash of Civilisations and the remaking of world order succinctly points out that for 1400 year Christianity has a problem with Islam. Is NY Times going to blame Modi for this too? Despite these historical facts and global phenomenon, NY Times portrays as if only Muslims in India are having a problem and Modi as villain.
Provocatively, the editorial adds, Modi’s strident Hindu nationalism has fuelled public outrage. Barring usual suspects one it yet to witness public outrage on Hindu nationalism in India, it is indeed intriguing for NY Times editorial team to selectively condemn Hindu nationalism. Surely, it has failed to realise that this era of globalisation has paradoxically given rise to nationalistic fervour including in communist China. Or is it worried about Hindu nationalism in the geo-political context?
Biased? Ignorant? Command performance?
Strangely, this editorial was a follow up of a piece in NY Times by Gardiner Harris on September 17, 2013 titled, Campaign for Prime Minister in India Gets Off to Violent Start implicitly linking to elevation of Modi as its PM candidate by the BJP and the Muzzafarnagar riots of September 2013.
For starters, the very title of the article is not only misleading but a concerted attempt in maligning Modi, BJP, and of course, the whole of India as it seeks to implicitly link the ascendency of Modi to these riots. Interestingly, in its unholy hurry to paint Modi black, the author seems to have glossed over certain fundamental facts. Muzaffarnagar riots, let us not forget began in the last week of August, 2013 while Modi was elevated as BJP’s PM candidate only on September 14, 2013! And this is what happens when an author first fixes his target and then scouts for facts.
Needless to emphasise, to blame Modi for these riots retrospectively is bad journalism at best, biased reporting at worst. What the author failed to clarify is that Muzzafarnagar is not in Gujarat but in UP – a State that has witnessed over 100 riots in 2013 alone. NY Times probably does not know that under the Indian Constitution, law and order is the sole responsibility of State Government which is headed by Samajwadi Party – an avowedly pro-Muslim outfit.
However, there is not even a whisper in the piece about the complete collapse of local administration in maintaining law and order in UP. And by the extended logic of NY Times if Modi sitting a thousand kms away in Gujarat can cause riots in UP, Modi must be blamed for killings in Middle East too where Muslims are themselves killing Muslims by the dozens on an hourly basis. The article goes on to add, “By choosing Modi, a fiery orator who once peppered his speeches with anti-Muslim slurs, the Bharatiya Janata Party has raised the prospect that this election could be the deadliest in decades.” Without a scintilla of evidence for such sweeping statement, in my considered view, this is mere speculation bordering on gossip.
The [mandatory?] reference to Gujarat riots was equally sinister, “In 2002, less than a year after he was appointed the State’s Chief Minister, riots swept Gujarat and killed more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims,” clearly forgetting for a moment that there was a carnage of innocent Hindus that triggered these unfortunate events in Gujarat. The article says that “…mass rioting broke out last week in Uttar Pradesh, India’s most populous and politically important State, after a legislator from Modi’s party circulated a fake video of two Hindus being lynched by a Muslim mob.” Fake video? How did the author come to that conclusion as early as September 17 that it was fake when its authenticity is not questioned even by local administration even to this date?
Gardiner crosses the impartiality line yet again when he calls Modi an “unapologetic Hindu Chauvinist.” Is the author suggesting that Modi should apologise for being a Hindu? And what does he mean by chauvinist? Unnecessary hyperbole that demeans the stature of NY Times while conveying nothing! Importantly, does Gardiner Harris realise that one can be a Hindu or a chauvinist – not both? Does he realise that bigotry is anti-thesis to Hinduism? Has he done some research on Hinduism before using such strong language? Or has his thoughts been fashioned by sections of Indian ‘intellectuals’ who are not favourably disposed towards India?
Finally, bereft of any specific arguments, the author states Modi never apologised for the 2002 riots. Frankly, one is appalled by this idea of apology for the simple logic that either Modi is guilty or he is not. If he is guilty, an apology would not do under the law of the land. Either way, an apology can be tokenism at best not atonement. Politicians in India, let us not forget, revel in tokenism and atonement whether one is guilty or not and in the context of the unfortunate happenings in Gujarat, comes by preventing such unfortunate events in future. On this, the exemplary administrative track record of Modi speaks for its self.
After all, let us not forget that the Supreme Court of India has virtually absolved Modi of all charges against him in so far as being a willing party to the Pogrom – a fact lost on most including the author of this piece in NY Times. Given this paradigm, either NY Times is biased against Modi, BJP, Hindus or India.
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November 14, 2013 at 12:48 AM
anyway this guy is giving spin but keeps falling on his own trap:
dear satyam congress for years has an extensive lobby called friends of congress in u.s and it media ( its only good that overseas friends of bjp is now catching up)
u.s can can not interfere in our affairs unless we don’t wont …do you even know 55 members of indian parliament wrote along with some muslim lobby in case of narendra modi’s visa( the same m.p who now openly caught are denying the same inclunding the one from your left sitaram yechury)…why a denial be open about it to indian people
further as soon as caged parrot(cbi) became free see now what its officials are official…btww caged parrot the term was used by indian jidiciary only
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November 14, 2013 at 12:51 AM
*indian judiciary only*
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/full-text-letters-written-by-mps-to-us-against-visa-to-narendra-modi/409054-53.html
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November 8, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Yes Rajinder prasad, Rajaji and JRD Tata were all Pygmies as they said same thing what Modi said….
Rest about Guha ( Nehru Slave, Its harsh but true) only Left leaner’s take him seriously and since the day he came on twitter, his lies are busted…
When people use Hitler ( this shows they have lost argument) they just beliitle the holocaust.
I hope ppl get copies of never released commission reports of Assam riots, abrol commision, kapoor commision and shah commision, and hope one has read if not seen the Ads all our TV and newspapers of Rajiv gandhi in 1984-85 election where sikhs were shows as Traitors. I think that is Hitler and Fascism…
Guha may be great for left leaning fellows but for rest he is simply ‘Distortian’ and Nehru is cool only in Echo chambers only and much derided figure and rightly so as re-evaluation of nehru is happening in India by common masses not by so called intellectuals sustained by his party.
We see the Mess nehru created in India is much more thn few good works he has done…
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November 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM
“When people use Hitler ( this shows they have lost argument) they just beliitle the holocaust.”
Must be why the RSS keeps losing the argument. Must be those exercises!
Also must be why Bal Thackeray lost the argument..
But in general thanks for confirming everything I said in my comment!
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November 8, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Yes IG imposes Emergency was proud moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes, Congress did forced Sterlisation in UP leading to longest ever communal riots ( moradabad) was proud moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes 4000 muslims were killed in Single day in Assam and 4000 sikhs in Delhi and 1800 in bhagalpur was proud moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes Indira G suspended Fundamental rights and wanted to take them out of constitution but for Nani Palkhivala ( Keshav bharti) was greatest moment of democracy and not fascism.
Yes Nehru brought 1st amendment to curtail freedom of speech was yet another greatest moment of democracy ( I wont quote what Kriplani said to nehru)
Sins, crime and debauchery of coongress from Nehru to Rahul are endless………..
Thanks for confirming everything I said in my comment…
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November 8, 2013 at 12:34 PM
So what part of my Indira Gandhi comment did you not understand (think it was still in English) earlier in this thread? of course there is an epistemological problem here. How do I know all the things you mentioned actually happened? I hope I don’t have to rely on the same leftist conspiracy of media commentators and historians to get them?
But once again we get to that notorious set of mutually exclusive logical positions (I should do these on a daily basis here):
1)Modi didn’t do anything
2)Even if he did lefties just want to get him
3)Indira Gandhi did the same thing
or again:
1)Modi didn’t kill Muslims
2)Modi did so but they deserved it
3)Modi did it but so did Congress
In general Bliss your comment is so over the top that I am wrong in even responding to it and therefore dignifying it.
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November 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM
There’s such rage in you guys on the Right one would think you lived through Stalin’s Russia, not Nehru’s India! Even the Russians have some nostalgia for Stalin!
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November 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Over the top ???
Either You dont like facts or know history but you only love rhetoric…
You prove me wrong on any of them I’ll apologise and leave blog or you apologise saying over the top.
Like you I dont indulge in rhetoric … Google and you will get answers…
I never defended Modi here, but I question few bloggers selective morality and Intellectual dishonesty…
“In general Bliss your comment is so over the top that I am wrong in even responding to it and therefore dignifying it.”
I Should say this to You bcoz rhetoric is Free and facts are sacred…
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November 8, 2013 at 1:07 PM
I don’t believe I have anything to apologize for. I stand by everything I said. You don’t need to leave the blog but if you do you should know that the lefties here will only get stronger!
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November 8, 2013 at 12:47 PM
Satyam :
This is another refuge by saying so much rage in right fellows.
I don’t indulge in rhetoric bereft of facts like you. My comment is alwys based on facts and you so far have never answered them but as usual go on circle or bringing deliberate diversions.
Rage is in your side of ppl
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November 8, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Satyam :
I dont ever expect leftie ( You) to have morality and honesty to Apologise if you cant prove me wrong …. Their game is deceit, deception and Lies and they are Masters in that. When faced with facts, they either talk of mars or indulge in labeling as they have no facts but just edifice of lies….
“I stand by everything I said”
Yes only Leftist can stand on rhetoric bereft of facts… Its usual just EGO.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Darn, you’ve just proven the SRK fans right. For years they’ve felt similar things about me when I used to talk about SRK (or Abhishek)!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:27 PM
I am least about SRK or Bachchan fans or for that matter any fans, Bachchan fan saying something to other fan is like Ketlle calling pot Black…
You have no single Fact to counter but as usual now last resort is playing Victim…
MY Facts still remain and prove them wrong and dont play victim victim …
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November 8, 2013 at 1:32 PM
But don’t you spot the elementary logical fallacy here? I am a liar, deceitful, master of spin, morally questionable (this I do plead guilty to but that’s another matter!) etc etc but somehow I must suddenly, contrary to my nature, accept ‘facts’? I’m also a bit confused about what these ‘facts’ are since I went looking for them in the books of experts but I’ve just learnt that you or Rockstar know more. So whenever you guys publish your books do let me know. I’ll make a contribution. In the meantime I’ll keep myself busy with the ISRO Mars program but I’m unsure what global leftist plot those guys are relying on for their ‘facts’. You guys have really confused me completely.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM
don’t spin and refute the things which are wrong
and your interpretation on others equally applies on you
why you criticize others work and films and putting down every others daily because you have freedom of speech if you can prove them wrong you can since one is an independent blogger
on rest you can come up with some thing better
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November 8, 2013 at 1:42 PM
Yes. You are Confused.
It happens when someone who deals only in rhetoric is face to face with Facts.
and to remind you MY Facts still stand and waiting for answers, not rhetoric and labeling. Counter Fact with Fact.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:44 PM
Glad you stressed the ‘MY’ there!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM
LOL…
In what ways you are finding refuge and avoiding facts.
Your blog doesn’t give option to edit. it was typo and never thought this will become issue ….
Facts stated in my comment… Now Happy …
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November 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM
I think we should get back to Krrish 3 numbers and Taran’s facts.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:56 PM
and why you expect others to refute you
if my is a slang then so is satyam(truth) if not covered
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November 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM
go back anyway since you have don’t have any other option apart from your verbose to face facts anyway you tried to spin in all direction and highjack but still no use
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November 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM
from where did rss and thackrey came into picture:
chalo so called spin or twisted argument ka bhi jawab suno:
rss ideolody created the second biggest party in government and is part of so long…the emergency which was created to remove democracy in india was ousted by people like jp and morarji and who was the foreign minister in janata party government:
atal bihari vajpayee( not in a single day bjp was born )
bal thackrey was ordinary cartoonist who was propped by indira gandhi only
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November 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Yes it created the second biggest party after assassinating the father of the nation! But hey you win some you lose some!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Another Leftist Lie ….
What spinach is to Popeye, Lie is to leftist !!!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:22 PM
who assasinated father of nation … be clear be concise and have guts
thing is told you to not spin when you can’t defend ourselves
indira was created by his sikh bodyguard and rajiv by an indian only and sanjay gandhi enough said
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November 8, 2013 at 1:26 PM
“who assasinated father of nation … be clear be concise and have guts”
someone who was never a member of the RSS. Someone who wasn’t called Godse.
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November 8, 2013 at 1:37 PM
godse left rss in mid 30’s but even after his death follower of non violence created riots and killed maharashtrain brahmins
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/RSS-denies-Godse-was-its-member/Article1-644587.aspx
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November 8, 2013 at 1:40 PM
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?205425
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November 9, 2013 at 1:33 PM
mr satyam you have touched a raw nerve with different interpretation with many intellectual itself in india had shy to debate on it
chalo leave it but in nehru’s era when india faced war china in 92 :
cpi(m) was introduced white paper ( for allegedly anti india activities) and a rss was invited in 1963’s republic day parade
go and figure out why
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November 9, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Not sure what the CPI(M) has to do with all of this. I don’t believe I’ve been defending them. It’s the usual knee-jerk reaction in these matters to think that if one is more on the left that one must automatically agree with every left outfit out there. It is quite possible to agree loosely with a set of ideas without necessarily endorsing every political manifestation of it. The reverse is also true. I might not agree with the discourse of the Right in any context but still find many kinds far less problematic than others. It’s also about context. Which is why I have stressed on Modi and not many other BJP leaders. Now you might not agree with me but nonetheless I am not talking about the others. I could debate the CPI(M) in a different context but since I didn’t bring them up I see no connection with the present argument.
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November 9, 2013 at 1:34 PM
in 1962 i mean …
(92 is typo)
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November 8, 2013 at 12:37 PM
so spin started when came up with no facts:
do you live in delusion world to say such things never happened
stop running from here and there and talk concrete things based of facts
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November 8, 2013 at 12:41 PM
you’re missing my sarcasm..!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:30 PM
you seem to be like speaker of the Loksabha!
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November 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM
CBI is unconstitutional. The executive order/circular/notification/departmental instruction which laid the foundation/birth of the CBI dated 1st April ( lol yeah! ) 1963 is declared ultra vires ( beyond power ).
Copy of the judgement of the Gauhati High Court.
Click to access WA1192008.pdf
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November 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM
eye opener and why they always said it congress bureau of investigation
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November 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM
LOL,these arguments! Not going to lead anywhere.
I would just ask the Modi detractors- would you rather have this corrupt,dysfunctional Congress led alliance over Modi? Because there IS no other choice!
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November 8, 2013 at 2:11 PM
My answer would be a resounding yes! Much as I’d rather not vote for the Tea Party or the Republicans no matter how much the Dems screw up! Within reason of course.
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November 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM
Wow! Really???? Cant believe you said that.
This Govt that is dragging hundreds of millions of people down,destroying their lives and the future of the country!
Thats what who you would pick over a proven no-nonsense administrator against whom all there is a trumnped up ‘pogrom’ charge? Libertarianism isa virtue in right proportions but a disease if it colors your vision so much or renders you blind!
As an aside BJP has often been refered to as the Conservative party by Western media but it is really an unfortunate tag.
BJP has as much in common with Repulicans as Apex with Brad Pitt!
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November 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM
Yes but translate it to US contexts and you probably agree with me completely!
But I’d also disagree with your framing. I think the Republicans are the closest analog to the BJP in the US. Leaving this aside the idea that there’s this absolutely corrupt party on one side and simply pure, efficient administrators on the other is a bit hard to digest. On the pogroms we disagree anyway.
All of this doesn’t mean that I support the Congress in any true sense. Unfortunately democracy offers this two party blackmail in most cases and one has to sometimes just hold one’s nose and vote for one or the other!
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November 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Nice try Satyam, BJP is not even close to be compared as the Republican party but am not surprised by your choice as you have been fed the Tehlka lies for years now !!!
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November 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM
don’t you see the irony here? Everything you’re saying and justifying in terms of the BJP is what the Republicans and even more specifically the Tea Partiers do in a different context! Plus is it’s the same paranoia about the country falling apart and threatened by liberalism, being fed liberal media lies, so on and so forth. It’s so obvious it’s incredible you don’t see this. You could just switch the names around and everything else would hold. There’s a reason why minorities don’t like voting for the Republicans, there’s a reason why minorities don’t like to vote for the BJP (which by the way includes caste minorities, leaving aside the electoral alliances that come about among the leaders sometimes). All the exact same parallels are there. But you continue to think one situation is dramatically different from the other. Do you know why it looks that way to you? Might it possibly be because you’re part of the majority in one situation and part of the minority in another?
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November 13, 2013 at 6:32 AM
The answer to both of your questions ( first sentence and the last sentence) is a big NO. lol!!
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November 13, 2013 at 8:11 AM
Haha omrocky
“BJP has as much in common with Repulicans as Apex with Brad Pitt!”— I don’t mind that comparison though ….
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November 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM
good points Rajen, besides corruption this Govt. is openly playing with the security of the country by contradicting its own agencies like the RAW and IB and siding with the terrorists to nail Modi.
Satyam and Co. ignore all that, jab desh hee nahee rahga toh comrades kya khaak jiyenge !!
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November 12, 2013 at 9:25 PM
Nitish does not arrest a clear terror suspect, to not alienate Minorities, Rahul Baba openly saying that Indian Muslims are being contacted by Pakistan, Khursheed talking about Muslim Quotas, Azam Khan openly telling the SP to not arrest Muslims, Akhilesh transferring a IAS officer for making Muslims unhappy, Shinde wants a seperat court for muslims.. Chidambaram shares stage with a Taliban …yeh sab secular hain, but BJP is communal….and not a word from the commies about all this.
Not a word about from commies about the bpmb blasts in Patna…Imagine if this would have happened in Gujrat at Rahul’s Rally…
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November 9, 2013 at 1:46 PM
DJ
Rooney u r a lawyer, I am a journalist. Hamara to kaam hi galtiya pakdne kai. But pls tell your CM modi to be careful. He is doing too many factual error in his speeches and oppsition is lapping on it.
rockstar
http://www.niticentral.com/hindi/2013/11/07/ill-read-critics-of-modi-using-lies-to-belittle-him-2-155141.html
Satyam
one link is ok here because you’re responding to Dj’s comment but otherwise political links and discussions should be kept away from this thread.
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November 9, 2013 at 5:09 PM
thanks Munna..
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November 9, 2013 at 2:00 PM
I think this thread is appropriate.
Saw The Purge – A very disturbing movie. There were flaws (or we can call convenience) but the basic premise has hints in current society but extrapolated in future.
Similarly I read an article on Bill Gates in FT:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/dacd1f84-41bf-11e3-b064-00144feabdc0.html
“According to Diamandis, the Gates Foundation, with its focus on alleviating the suffering of the poorest, smacks of the early 20th-century philanthropy of the robber barons – men such as Andrew Carnegie and John D Rockefeller, who built and then milked monopolies before spending their later years doling out cash to worthy causes. The latest wave of techno-visionaries, he says, is focused instead on creating whole new industries capable of changing the world. “
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November 13, 2013 at 8:56 AM
Fifty thousand people go to a baseball game, but the game was rained out and a refund was due.
The team was about to send out refunds when someone stopped them and suggested that they send out refund amounts based on the their interpretation of fairness. After all, if the refunds were made based on the price each person paid for the tickets, most of the money would go to the richest people.
Their plan says:
– People in the $10 seats will get back $15, because they had less money to spend.
– People in the $15 seats will get back $15, because that’s only fair.
– People in the $25 seats will get back $1, because they already make a lot of money and don’t need a refund.
– People in the $50 luxury seats will have to pay another $50, because they already have way too much money to spend.
– People driving by the stadium who couldn’t afford to watch the game will get $10 each, even though they didn’t pay anything in, just because they need the most help
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Obama went for a ride in a hot air balloon. After an hour he suddenly realized he was lost. He lowered his altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. He shouted to him, “Excuse me, can you help me? I promised some supporters I would meet with them an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”
The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.
Obama rolled his eyes and said, “You must be a Republican.
“I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”
“Well,” answered Obama, “everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help to me.”
The man smiled and responded, “You must be President Obama, the left wing Liberal.”
“I am,” replied Obama. “How did you know?”
“Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are — or where you are going. You’ve risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made lots of promises you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it’s my fault!
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November 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM
Terrifically True !!!
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November 13, 2013 at 10:13 AM
…And this is why Republicans never make good comedians.
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November 13, 2013 at 12:41 PM
A decade of Government Ineptitude has come full circle. The Loony Left can shake hands with the Crazy Right.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED = YOU CAN KEEP YOUR PLAN PERIOD
The Indian $73M shoestring budget built rocket is completing the last of its maneuvers around the earth, before it slingshots on a path to Mars. There is still time for all the members of the Capitol Hill to hitch a ride on this shining example of Government Efficiency.
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December 8, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Absolutely right. I was surprised at the low key in which this is being potrayed/celebrated whereas Katrina being voted no 1 in some stupid local magazine is all over the place!
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November 16, 2013 at 6:01 PM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-or-else-modi/1195519/0
“I would repeat both these points once again now. The more the anti-Modi forces work towards polarisation, the more they bring back the majority’s minority complex. It helps their adversary rather than harming him. At the same time, if at all he were to be voted to power next year, India and its institutions would change Modi (and even his BJP) rather than him being able to change India. That’s why fear can’t be the key to the voters’ mind in 2014. It will be a positive, considered choice from the options on offer. “
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November 18, 2013 at 12:01 PM
LOL..
http://khabarbaazi.com/digvijay-singh-to-get-bharat-ratan/
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December 7, 2013 at 8:03 PM
http://www.indianexpress.com/picture-gallery/is-nitish-message-missing-a-political-machine–/4049-1.html
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December 8, 2013 at 3:07 AM
Will be 4 out of 4 for bjp….mizoram sadly has no other option
frankly delhi was shock as there was infighting…vijay goel was removed at last time was a great decision and it helped even though aap eat into congress
bjp can form government in bihar single handedly in future…nitish was just media face and in first term bjp has twice the number of seat(82 to 49) and another modi (shushil kumar) the deputy cm just quietly worked in back
time for nitish to do self analysis
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December 8, 2013 at 3:26 AM
secular indian mujahideen t ries to kill someone and our beloved maoists
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Maoists-threaten-to-kill-Sushil-Modi-Bihar-BJP-leaders/articleshow/26926814.cms
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December 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM
Congress- routed. Deservedly!
As someone said, the results in Delhi
BAAP- 33
AAP- 27
PAAP- 8
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December 8, 2013 at 10:50 AM
LOL! good one!
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December 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM
Its good that BJP did not get majority in Delhi. Their feet will be held to the fire continuously, forcing them to provide good governance. AAP will be the Damocles sword ready to fall anytime on their head .
Congress has been swept, historical drubbing. Yet, all their leaders keep coming up with excuses. No one has the balls to point the finger at Rahul.
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December 8, 2013 at 11:14 AM
Well said. On Times Now, Congress spokesperson Jayanti Natarajan was having a tough time with her defensive attitude and refusal to face certain bitter truths. Far better and infinitely more graceful was Congreesman Jyotirmoy Scindia. This young man, Jairam Ramesh and the like are the good things about Congress, but sadly they will never be allowed spotlight. Clueless Rahul and the mother plus the psycophants — all will continue to take the grand old party down.
And I am extremely glad that AAP gave such a good fight to BJP. Unexpected but really pleasant and positive development.
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December 7, 2013 at 8:16 PM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-disarming-kashmir/1204466/0
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December 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM
indian express has some remaaining trait of founder goenka and his and arun shourie ethicks which made it popolar
on filmi front it was pretty sad to see maniratnam resorted to dramatics in guru in mithun’s character which has shades of ramnath goenka and maddy the touch of arun shourie
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December 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM
for maniratnam fans:
http://awakeningtheindianwithin.com/ramnath-goenka-versus-ambani/
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December 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM
Did the gullible think that they will get free electricity and free water if congress is defeated?
From tomorrow onwards, wont there be any corruption, any rapes, any murders?
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December 8, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Typical Congress propaganda. Others will not do good governance, so why should we be doing it? TINA TINA TINA
Well, There is an Alternative, the AAP proved it.
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December 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM
Indian public is between the devil and the deep blue sea. The choices are very limited.
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December 8, 2013 at 12:00 PM
Choice. Is between good governance on one side and apathy/ corruption on other. Lets not try to paint BJP as something it is not. Neither true or smart. There is a difference between being liberal and blind/stupid!
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December 8, 2013 at 12:06 PM
It is not about liberal but the truth that BJP is as good or as bad as congress. Let us see whether BJP will wage a war with Pakistan and teach it a lesson or start sadbhaavan yatras.
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December 8, 2013 at 1:41 PM
suffers from short term loss or propaganda
who did nuclear test
by remaining in sanction for close to 3 years was economy on paralysis
for your shock:
commonwealth was brought to india at vajpayee time and how others handled
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December 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM
> Lets not try to paint BJP as something it is not.
>There is a difference between being liberal and blind/stupid!
LOL. I hope you get your point.
BJP is as corrupt as Congress. It’s just not in power as widely as congress, therefore less opportunity.
Being the opposition it was thir duty to curb the corrupt pratses of congress, but why would they, they got their share of the pie too.
In other cases their (congress and BJP’s) corrupt relatives were sheltered on a bilateral basis.
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December 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM
Ruling a diverse country like India with difficult neighbours is not a joke. Winning and performing are two different things.
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December 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM
performance and merit should be the strict outcome exactly:
how telangana boils india when others very easily(nda) crafted 3 states
how AIR india the national carries became loss entity”(ever heard of celebi and patel and huge scam
how surplus foodgrain is rotting and they talk of food bill
how bimaru states like mp and bihar start performing with new hands
if mayawati can organise f1 in nearby noida how cwg was mishandled in delhi
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December 8, 2013 at 12:22 PM
One of the corrupt (the sickindu *party* – Please note omrocky I’m not addressing the religion here. It’s always party/party people)
-It tries to copy AAP (photocopying their 70 manifestos, leave alone the idea)
-AAP has been saying *for months* they’ll not form an alliance with any other party. Now Harshvardhan comes up with the stand that they will not form an alliance (chicken out. He knows he cannot sit haapily in his chair).
I think according to the constitutional provisions, it’s his moral duty to form a party.
He’s making it look like it’s on ‘principle’. Come on. Horsetrading is part of the political power grabbing that has always gone on.
BJP lost 2or 3% of the votes as compared to the last inspite of 4 more seats.
The wave here became a trough.
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December 8, 2013 at 12:36 PM
Arvind Kejriwal interviewed by Barkha Dutt.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/don-t-need-character-certificate-from-rahul-gandhi-arvind-kejriwal/300710?curl=1386523977
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December 8, 2013 at 1:21 PM
Jao pehley Aap party ko Aapmuslimterror party bolo ( Kejriwal shaking hands with terrorist from Bareilly, and Yogendra saying Anna’s movement was only a Hindu movement).
Jao pehley Congress ko Sicktalibani party bolo ( too many reasons to list, main is however IB and CBI mein ladai karwana)
Usskey baad, Usskey baad my Dear Old Gold AAP jis cheez ko please note karny ko bolege mai Note karoonga, main Note
Karoonga !!!!
Please note – not naming any people, just the respective party policies !!!
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December 8, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Clutching at straws eh? This coming from a terrorist Modi party supporter?
I support his handshake with The maulvi. Even Shankaracharaya shook hands with him. This hate politics is what AAP would like to stop. It’s time is up. Wake up.
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December 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM
terrorist modi.. sickindu…middleeast is heaven
sahi nautanki hai
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December 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM
nahin AAP bharat ko heaven banayegi.
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December 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM
to aap ki baat karo faltu baat nahin…
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December 8, 2013 at 2:49 PM
faltu baat ka jawab faltu hi toh hoga.
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December 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM
exactly and learn this lesson and follow
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December 8, 2013 at 3:03 PM
It doesn’t matter rockstar. If AAP was such a goody-two-shoes, they would not be resorting to typical Congressi name-calling tactics. Sure indicates the kind of ‘svachta’ they want to bring to politics. Pehla mauka mila nahi aur gaali shuru.
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December 8, 2013 at 3:11 PM
LOL when the table is turned on you ou start crying. Who has been calling people sickular?
Anyway this is a typical reaction.
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December 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM
“LOL when the table is turned on you ou start crying. Who has been calling people sickular?”
which table is turning round or flat …how secularism is connected with religious notion
there is always a thin line between commonsense and nonsense…
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December 8, 2013 at 3:08 PM
wow so aaphainmusalmaan compares a Terrorist to Shankracharya..
must say a new low
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December 8, 2013 at 3:13 PM
look at the the quality of comment
that maulvi with whom he/she have issued a fatwa to behead taslima and bush…typical 3rd grade stuff
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December 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM
No omrocky, calm down, don’t worry. Relax. I said – this same muslim maulvi, and shankaacharaya shook hands at a sammelan on the stage.
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December 8, 2013 at 3:18 PM
Oh I see. This is really a sickindu **party* gathering. I’m outta here.
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December 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM
please do, and hope you get well soon …
people like will only be happy when India is again ruled by someone like Aurangzeb, tak tak yeh log bas Katar- Katar kartey hee rahenge !!
Fir jaa kar Bill mein baith jaaenge !!!
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December 8, 2013 at 3:20 PM
and I don’t even like dislike Kejriwal who I think is a decent and honest man ( I had said this earlier) , but the commies who have joined his bandwagon and calling Nationalist Hindus as Sickindus who are a big problem…..
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December 8, 2013 at 3:22 PM
you better run because by opening up your faltu stuff continiouslly don’t expect it to be spared
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December 8, 2013 at 3:28 PM
No I’m running away because I’m very very allergic to the hate mongering sickindu party people.
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December 8, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Ya and we are extremely wary of the anti Hindu, anti India loving people who are on the run coz, ab toh sach ka saaman karna pad raha hai !!
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December 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM
speaking same thing like parrot won’t help especially if one is incapable to even defend one and hardly has anything to contribute
you can run to gathering of other kind to remove your allergy …hopefully it improves your 3rd grade iq on display
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December 8, 2013 at 3:37 PM
Sometimes I wonder Itna Zehar kaisey bhar gaya inn jholawallahs mien against the Hindus.
they would rather have each state as Kashmir jahan sey Hindus ko Dulati dey kar bhaga diya gaya or what ???
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December 8, 2013 at 10:35 PM
Agree, hate politics has to stop and hopefully AAP will be able to provide the middle ground and sane voice desparately needed.
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December 8, 2013 at 11:02 PM
Edit — desperate.
Omrocky– Hindus have no zehar against other Hindus. Some of us are truly secular Hindus– not ‘sickular’, a term that is hateful and sly. To me, religion should be a private thing that helps one lead life. It is not meant to be used as a political tool — though that is what happens invariably.
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December 9, 2013 at 1:09 AM
there is a difference between secularism and votebank poltics and using it to just gather vote in the name of it
self proclaimed truly secular people have problems with uniform civil code(ironically equal law for every religion)
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December 9, 2013 at 1:24 AM
rocky: bjp may refuse to form government in delhi( citing no majoritynumber) and so do kejri…lol congress is ready to give outside support but to whom
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December 9, 2013 at 6:34 AM
LS I agree, and I have no issues with that , but I hope even you will agree that Sickindu is a highly offensive term being used by oldcold.
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December 9, 2013 at 6:45 AM
Rockstar – let us see, it is kind of hard to convince all MLAs to say No.
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December 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM
sickindu is as offensive as pisslam….use words properly
secularism is a trait not a regious notion to abuse anything
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December 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Eggjactky , rockstar that is my point…
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December 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM
LOL
Try putting the word ‘party’ after it, you’ll feel better. It’s meant to go together with that word.
It is offensive to call anyone sickular. Don’t hide behind religion all the time. I’m not a secular by the way. I like religion.
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December 8, 2013 at 2:52 PM
and some idiots expect to go scot free with terms sickindu which rhymes with a faith(hindu) intentionally
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December 8, 2013 at 3:08 PM
Of course it is intentional. People of this religion
** in this party **are all sick with hate, and guilty of spreading this hate.
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December 8, 2013 at 3:12 PM
Commies have for years now tried to smear the Hindu religion….Aap Qatar mein hain..Lage raho !!!
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December 8, 2013 at 3:09 PM
OLdgold still has not answered the question yet..
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December 9, 2013 at 2:55 AM
Why Qatar? Why not Dubai? or Oman? Or … err Saudi Arabia (very near Kaba in Mecca? LOL
Typical, isn’t it? To immediately imagine a muslim.
I live in Europe.
If some seculars use religion as votebank the sickindu party uses it as vote bank too. Look at all the brainwashed ‘religious’ fanatics it has hoarded. who then go and vote for it.
Lets just say, sensible and intelligent seculars don’t play with religion and intelligent and sensible hindus don’t support the sickindu party.
I really don’t want to get into these discussions. I don’t need to defend. You all can carry on with your hate politics.
I didn’t realise what was going on here.
I don’t mind discussing films though.
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December 9, 2013 at 6:31 AM
Qatar bole tau- Line or Q
It was meant to be a joke.
on the rest intelligent and sensible Hindus? Duhhhh !!
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December 9, 2013 at 12:43 PM
roflmao ok you are intelligent ,this or that and others are brainwashed scum:
harsh facts: the word secularism came up as 42nd amendment in 76 when indira was busy in aligning emergency and sanjay
gandhi was forcefully doing sterlisation of a community (read who)to control population it was appeasement to counter that..india has been tolerant much before and after
that as civilisation and continues to be thanks to sickindu(hindus)…india doesn’t have blasphemous where saying counterpart of that will put you into jail or where by law non muslims
cant be pm or president
neither like mecca and madina(your reference) where non muslims are allowed to enter..
opposite of secularism is communalism…its a trait not a religion and only a highly intelligent(read faggot) can used it to ridicule faith..first learn to put proper context
faltu baat ka jawaab faltu hi milega
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December 9, 2013 at 12:52 PM
*not allowed to enter*
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December 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM
http://www.niticentral.com/2013/12/08/congress-fall-begins-challenges-ahead-for-bjp-166558.html
Some interesting takeaways from the mini-general election for which counting is now almost over are, first and most surprising, that Doordarshan News has been fastest and most unbiased in giving the state-wise updates of the election results, even as news channels generally considered more popular have dragged their feet over closely contested States, most notably Chhattisgarh. This came to public notice thanks to the habit of channel surfing during advertisement breaks, and soon became viral via the social media.
The second factor, denied or downplayed by the “Lutyens Brigade”, is the unmistakable impact of the “Modi factor” in giving an edge to the BJP campaign in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, and even Delhi, though the party seems unable to form the Government. Indeed, in the absence of a clear majority, it would be a mistake to try doing so.
The third is the breathtaking performance of the fledgling Aam Admi Party and its leader, Arvind Kejriwal, who has defeated Delhi’s three-time Chief Minister Sheila Dikshit by a record margin of around 22,000 votes, forcing her to send her resignation to Lt Governor Najib Jung even before the counting is officially over. With this, mainstream media projections of Dikshit as the likely Prime Ministerial choice of the Congress vice president Rahul Gandhi after an anticipated victory in the 2014 elections have bitten the dust.
The immediate fallout for the United Progressive Alliance is an immediate question mark over financial reforms like FDI which the AAP opposes, and statehood for Telangana at the instance of a lame duck Government at the Centre. Over the next few months, it is likely that this near eclipse of the Congress in Delhi and Rajasthan, coupled with an inability to return to power in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, could compel the UPA to call for early national elections in 2014.
But by far the most important consequence of the results is that the Congress is wounded, a fact which will make Sonia Gandhi push Amethi MP Rahul Gandhi aside and directly confront BJP Prime Ministerial aspirant Narendra Modi with all guns blazing in the 2014 general election. As a direct consequence, the media and particularly the electronic media will continue a policy of overt hostility to the BJP and particularly towards the Gujarat Chief Minister. Indeed, this is already visible.
State-wise, the most important result is that of Chhattisgarh, where Dr Raman Singh has managed to defend his turf and win a third term, despite the formidable challenge posed by the Maoist-missionary combine, not to mention the mining mafia. Despite good work at grassroots level to provide the daily needs of the people through a formidable public distribution system, to boost agricultural self-sufficiency and industrial development, Singh faced the most serious challenge of his political career. The near complete eradication of the Congress State leadership in the Durbha Ghati massacre by Maoists earlier in the month of May 2013 put him on the defensive and highlighted the failure to overcome the Maoist menace.
Realising the nature of Raman Singh’s difficulty – the Supreme Court nixed the Salwa Judum tribal resistance to the Maoists, and the Centre has not extended the kind of support needed to overcome this menace which is spreading across the country – Narendra Modi spared no efforts to assist his colleague. Despite threats to his life in Patna and later in Chhattisgarh were over 400 landmine bombs were found and defused and over 500 kgs of IEDs recovered around the time of his rallies, and several SIMI activists arrested during his visits, Narendra Modi campaigned extensively for Raman Singh. After the campaigning in Chhattisgarh officially ended, he scheduled rallies in neighbouring States and addressed Chhattisgarh voters from there. Throughout the day, the close contest kept the nation on tenterhooks, till the BJP finally sealed its victory with 49 seats.
In Delhi, given the BJP’s tantalizing inability to reach the winning figure (32 seats including 1 Akali against 28 of AAP, 8 Congress and 2 others), questions are being raised about the efficacy of the Narendra Modi factor. This is incorrect as the Gujarat Chief Minister cannot be blamed for the state unit’s failure to effectively challenge Sheila Dixit through 15 years of misgovernance, price rise, crime, and massive corruption, particularly in the Commonwealth Games, Delhi Transport Corporation, electricity bills, water crisis, and so on.
It is pertinent that when the new State unit chief, Vijay Goel, began to sideline leaders who had lost public confidence and to target the Congress more pointedly, a revolt backed by top leaders scuttled his plans completely. Thereafter, a flawed ticket distribution gave weightage to the leaders who have lost their own seats, or whose protégés lost. Ironically, the only political legacy to survive the people’s verdict is that of late Sahib Singh Verma, whose son managed to win from Mehrauli, far from the former Chief Minister’s bastion in Outer Delhi.
The lesson to the BJP high command is that those who imagine they can dictate to the people by controlling the levers of power in the party will get their reality bites. That BJP still managed to pose a credible challenge to Congress and emerge as the single largest party is entirely because of Narendra Modi’s charisma; he galvanized the youth and disillusioned middle class voters who were drifting towards the AAP. The BJP needs to revisit the tendency to distribute tickets on the basis of cronyism rather than winnability and performance at the grassroots. Expecting a ‘wave’ to carry undeserving candidates to victory is willful hallucination.
In Madhya Pradesh, thanks to hard work and high personal popularity, Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan led the party to a handsome third innings with 165 seats at the time of writing, well above the half-way mark. Similarly, Vasundhara Raje stormed back to power with 162 seats against a meagre 21 by Congress (at the time of writing).
One message from the election is to the Supreme Court – the ‘None of the Above’ innovation was largely irrelevant and entirely forgettable. A country the size of India cannot afford the luxury of spin-off elections. While the established political parties might be able to afford some re-election campaigns, these tilt the playing field against new entrants like the AAP which lack resources. Indeed, if Delhi needs a fresh election in the next six months, the decline in the AAP’s fortunes could establish this fact. It would be best to leave the conduct of elections to the Election Commission.
Finally, Narendra Modi addressed 170-odd rallies in the four States and definitely made a mark upon the results, as Rajasthan leader Vasundhara Raje has generously acknowledged. But as the results in Delhi and Chhattisgarh show, complacency would be ill-advised. BJP president Rajnath Singh must now speed up the process of bringing back Karnataka estranged leader BS Yeddyurappa back into the fold. In the States where BJP does not have a meaningful presence, it would be wise to look at credible local candidates or parties that can boost its overall tally in 2014. Above all, it would be wise to politely disregard the guidance or interference of leaders whose electoral appeal is a thing of the past. This has already cost the party a possible victory in the Capital.
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December 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM
Bang on target analysis. “Indeed, if Delhi needs a fresh election in the next six months, the decline in the AAP’s fortunes could establish this fact.”
A re-election will give the BJP a chance to shuffle out their losing candidates and place stronger ones in front of the AAP winners, a lot of whom won by slim margins. This may not actually play out well for the AAP.
The Congress on the other hand should’ve kept the ear to the ground and anticipated this drubbing. Had the Congress actually not been in their blind hubris, they might’ve had the vision to hold Lok Sabha elections alongwith these state elections. There is no way they can re-group before the Lok Sabha elections (totally laughable for Rahul to say he will adopt the ‘Kejriwal Model’ now!). They will lose allies, and even face defections with this huge writing on the wall. Ambitious straps and local leaders will jump ship very soon. They might’ve actually saved some seats by holding LS elections now, because Modi’s full impact across the nation would not have been felt. This result gives a big shot in the arm to Modi, and a big deflation to Congress prospects.
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December 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM
modi initially refused to campaign in delhi because of infighting and at others insistence vijay goel was changed to replace with harshvardhan as cm candidate and it worked
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December 9, 2013 at 4:16 AM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/fifth-column-muslim-questions/1204768/0
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December 9, 2013 at 6:55 AM
Nice piece by Tavleen as usual
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December 9, 2013 at 6:49 AM
It is like getting 85 percent and yet not getting a seat in the best college. The cutoff is 99.5 percent.
Indian public can make parties get nightmares like this.
Congress party must be watching the Delhi drama with amusement.
Sharad Pawar says that the people do not respect weak leaders. The coalition partners were and are blackmailing the central government and in those circumstances can any government be called strong?
Coalition politics is as dirty as having too many partners to please.
Next general election may throw up similar scenario.
Let us have permanent President’s rule so that expenditure on elections can be saved and used to provide roti, kapda, makaan, bijli, paani , education, health, good roads, less inflation. Let the politicians work for the people instead of working for themselves.
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December 9, 2013 at 8:00 AM
>Congress party must be watching the Delhi drama with amusement.
Well. If it helps them – to drown their sorrows.
>Coalition politics is as dirty as having too many partners to please.
Thanks to AAP, there will be no coalition.
They have been saying for months they wouldn’t form a coalition in any situation, an so now the corrupt copycat BJP wants to decalre the same.
The, who employ all shady tactics to form a government by hook or crook doesn’t want to do it, in case they look bad when compared to AAP’s principles. LOL!
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December 9, 2013 at 11:07 AM
Breaking other parties use to happen in past and smaller states. Now with 24×7 media, no one dares to do that.
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December 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM
Of course they can still do that. They can still do all.
If the media was so good, exposing corruption what more does one want.
Recently a lot of making breaking took place in … can’t remember where…it was being discussed in relation to Delhi situation yesterday.
I know people are unable to believe that there is a party who would not be broken in spite of attempts, nor does it want to ally itself.
People who take it as just another party have probably not being following it’s ways and behaviour and everything in detail.
Only the meeting of AK with Maulana Tareeq etc made it’s way to the news.
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December 9, 2013 at 12:55 PM
One Day after election and this 🙂 ( Power corrupts be it baap, aap, paap )
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December 9, 2013 at 1:01 PM
46% of BJP party candidates are booked for crimes, the proportion at AAP is much lower.
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December 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM
Who said BJP is pure, If one follows Chanakya thn 100% purity in politics is impossible dream and Utopian idea. ???
AAP has this smugness and righteousness
Either be spotless clean or dont preach… BJP has 40+% in delhi and AAP has 11% mla’s with criminal record.
Now will AAP and supporters count spots also 😉 ???
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December 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM
combining baap aap and paap 52 members of 70 elected are crorepatis…its a total money game the elections
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December 9, 2013 at 1:14 PM
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December 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM
LOL
Now AAP has gheroed Police station 🙂
AAP gives clean chits to its member faster thn CBI gives to congress fellows…
Just in one day, One day AAP is doing same thing which other pol parties used to do in such situation 🙂
Welcome Aboard in just 24 hrs ….
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December 10, 2013 at 4:03 AM
>BJP has 40+% in delhi and AAP has 11% mla’s with criminal record.
Have you EDUCATED YOURSELF enough to FIND OUT what these criminal cases are against AAP?
This 11% = 7 members, and they are ALL for demonstrating against the police refusal to register FIR’s , in ‘gudiya’ case, and a case involving a married woman, etc etc.
It’s a shame that when somebody has finally stood up against the corrupt parties the very people who list out scams here (of course by the party they don’t support) are now mocking and trying to spread false information.
THIS IS THE MAJOR REASON WHY CORRUTION EXISTS!!!
One cannot rule out some AAP elected people getting corrupt (saying this to make the non corruptiuon supporters happy here, I believe the chance is quite remote) – they will not continue in office. Provisions have been made in the manifesto for this – unlike anti corruption talk BJP has started adopting. AAP has certainly changed the colour of politics in India.
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December 10, 2013 at 4:04 AM
These 7 includes Kejriwal himself.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:04 AM
my education says :
Thirteen rebels from BJP and Congress have been given tickets by AAP.
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December 10, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Then it’s an incorrect education.
Here’s the correct one;
Anyone with a non corrupt background can join AAP, even if he’s from the other corrupt parties, because there must be some there who aren’t.
But they weren’t given any ticket.
In fact just today he has again given a call to all those who would like to join them (including other parties) – but not for getting tickets.
The people chose their candidates by vote. They went through a rigorous screening before chosen.
Here’s a clip where the candidates themselves explain how they were chosen.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/the-social-network/state-to-centre-aam-aadmis-set-out/300904?vod-related
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December 10, 2013 at 5:53 PM
“Then it’s an incorrect education.”– teacher teacher og–plz ‘educate’ me pleez 🙂
And for free …
I can’t afford education lol
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December 10, 2013 at 9:27 PM
ya grow up idiocy at best
The people chose their candidates by vote and there is election to elect only..abusing them days in and out and looking for same power only..
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December 9, 2013 at 11:38 AM
AAP has a got a golden chance to prove that they are not mere just ‘occupy’, but a responsible party and committed for betterment of Delhi and India. I have been watching AK interview on the TV and found him arrogant and reluctant to take responsibilities and not seeing any vision in his words, rather he looks more focused on taking on the established govt or political system. Agitation is the easiest of the job to do in a democratic system and administration to the true values of democracy and constitution is the hardest job.
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December 9, 2013 at 12:21 PM
There’s a lot of misleading provocation for AAP from all around. Comments like;
This is a Golden opportunity.
Show responsibility.
Are you afraid?
Such condescension is what is actually extremely arrogant.
What makes people think it’s a golden opportunity? 8 seats behind in being a majority?
Isn’t BJP in a more golden position with 4 less?
It will be the end of AAP if it takes anyone’s (BJP/Congress) help.
And the people offering advice so kindly, know it.
This PUSHING AAP instead of BJP is the first attack/obstacle of many to come which the AAP party will have to face coming from the two corrupt parties and their supporters to make things difficult. Parties which wanted supprt of fake stings, and donation complaints is suddenly looking to AAP and offering it this Golden Opportunity.
People are not fools to believe this.
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December 9, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Strong rumors : Nandan Nilkeni may be the MMS 2.0 of Rahul Gandhi. He will be declared PM candidate of congress
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December 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM
Nandan nilkeni could not implement UID project properly which was supposed to be equivalent to SSN in usa. Instead it was misused to provide legal status and direct money transfer to potential voters, Party Workers, illegal migrants in Maharastra and U.P./delhi for vote bank politics. Supreme court has dismissed UID requirement to provide any benefit because of its misuse in recent incidents. 75000 cr Taxpayer’s money went waste.
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December 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM
I think if done in proper fashion it is good to have. Of course there are privacy concerns and misuse but that happens with SSN or any form of global ID. There would be cost associated with it but it should be less if done without Governmental bureaucracy.
Many countries of some form of number:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identification_number
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December 10, 2013 at 10:05 PM
first confirmation:
toilet has it
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Will-Congress-name-PM-choice-Buzz-around-Nilekani-as-a-wild-card/articleshow/27197771.cms
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December 9, 2013 at 12:42 PM
ya heard…
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December 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM
lot of things will come out of skeleton…have you read about his brainchild aadhar scam:
http://www.dnaindia.com/blogs/post-the-aadhar-card-what-are-the-real-intentions-of-the-upa–1801080
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December 9, 2013 at 12:59 PM
lot of independent writers have put pressure and finally sc considered it null
http://ggiittiikkaa.blogspot.in/2013/09/aadhar-and-nandan-nilekanis-hoax.html#.UqYEdyeOlY4
A lot of hype is being created around Mr Nandan Nilekani, who would, as the reports say, be given Congress ticket for fighting Lok Sabha poll from Bangalore South constituency against the five-time elected BJP MP, Ananth Kumar.
Mr Nilekani should not forget that Infosys Ltd, of which he was one of the 10 founding members and had risen to the highest post of CEO and MD, not only believed in high ethics and ideals, but also practiced them. It was because of this Infosys was able to create a respectable place among the clients. But would Mr Nilekani be able to tell the voters, if they ask, about his association with Congress and whether it practices the same kind of ethics and principles as Infosys did during his association with the company? Mr Nilekani must perhaps not forget that before him Mr Shashi Tharoor came with a lot of promise in Indian politics, but alas he turned out to be like any other crooked corrupt politician, perhaps only a sophisticated version.
Dear Mr Nilekani – with due respect to you and to what you have contributed to the IT industry at large, it was weird of you to not have weighed the pros & cons before getting on the Aadhar wagon. Added to that, there is a school of thought which believes that Aadhar is a high potential scam project, much bigger than 2G. After all, it was passed through the executive committee outside the Parliament rather than the conventional constitution route.
R. Ramakumar of the Tata Institute of Social Sciences in Mumbai said “the UID would be an alibi for the state to leave the citizen unmarked in the market for social services.”
It was widely believed and propagated that the Government held Aadhar enrolment mandatory through consumer essentials like Gas, which in itself speaks about the lacunae in the project. In fact there were businesses set up for managing kiosks that would let card holders avail of these services.
“No benefit of service shall be denied on account of non-possession of Aadhar, and no illegal immigrants would be issued Aadhar,” a Supreme Court bench said in an interim order yesterday while dealing with a public interest litigation that challenged the scheme’s constitutional validity and the indiscriminate manner in which the government was issuing the card.
Like RBI Governor D Subbarao said, “thank God the Supreme Court exists in India”. The Aadhar card was meant to be a “voluntary” scheme for those people who could not get any other form of identity proof. The Government was trying to push it through the backdoor without associated privacy laws safeguarding the privacy of individual data. This also is against the constitution of India which guarantees “equality before law” for all citizens. The Constitution makers did not push for one set of benefits for people with Aadhar and people without Aadhar are not second-class citizens – as long as they can establish their identity.
To begin with, did Aadhar ever have the potential to be successful in a country like India? Millions of Indians live all their lives on the streets, where do they keep this card? Most of the farmers and labourers do not have fingerprints of the quality that can be captured, because of the manual work they perform. Additionally there are many districts across 9 states where Government cannot enrol people because of Naxal problems. And Kashmir? And the North-east? Ah well!
In fact, there are even people who have applied for more than one Aadhar card. If the system allows even one such instance, the Project has failed its purpose.
Apart from this, many people in remote villages do not have any identity proof. In that case, UID relies on guarantors, people who can tell about the person. So in such scenario, any Pakistani or Bangladeshi can be allotted UID number easily, because we know how easy it is to manage a guarantor. Aadhar Card is Congress’s way to legalise illegal intruders all around over borders. Simple and straight – Aadhar is a failed project as it is given even to Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Burmese, but not genuine Indians. I have some instances quoted below which indicate to what extent the card has already been exploited:
1. A woman of Bangladeshi origin who slipped into India 18 months ago, and is involved in flesh trade in Hyderabad was arrested in Nov, 2012 (TOI) who is possessing Aadhar card, Ration card, and even Voter Id.
2. In old city of Hyderabad, Police found to their surprise that around 10000 Aadhar cards lying in a dust bin (Kuppathotti) in March 2013 (TOI). Neither Postal Department nor the Police let alone the vendor who took details of persons in that area, know such large number of cards not reaching applicants but the garbage bins. Police suspected there is a parallel Aadhar issuing authority in Old city, for its Muslim vote banks, but cannot tell it publicly for fear of allegation of ‘minority harassment’
3. Burmese Muslims made their way to Hyderabad since October 2012, thanks to MIM. But sooner these guys also started flaunting Aadhar cards in Public.
Well, what about Indian citizens then?
1. A friend received his card having wrong contact details and DOB. When I approached local authority, they simply said ‘you are lucky to get the card, so dont worry for the rest’
2. A friend applied for Aadhar card on 11.11.2012 but still hasn’t received it. Will he vote for you?
3. A Friend who lives in West Bengal is unable to find any Aadhar centre close to Haldia. It is so difficult. I understand it will be an important document, but no initiative is taken to setup centres across India
4. Another friend remarked: My mother frequently uses my ATM card to withdraw cash. Using Aadhar in ATMs would mean the cardholder will need to be present in person to provide his/her biometrics, this will be a huge inconvenience to me.
The biggest shortcoming this project suffers from is the absence of Data Security laws in India. This implies that your details can be shared with other NGOs and social institutions, in fact can be sold for a hefty amount. Why would anyone want to give any unknown institute his finger print, eye scan, and identity details.
Also the UID database query access is shared among partnering agencies/private players (3rd parties) based on the agreement drawn upon by UIDAI (behind the scenes). The database storage is again a concern, it’s currently being outsourced to foreign companies. The AFIS technology they are using in this project has never been tested for such a huge database. It has been used for some 1 lakh people.
1. Your data is being captured (enrolled) by private players. The operators that capture these details have little knowledge of the whole system, thus there are blunders in data capture itself. There have been instances were instead of photograph of a person, images of objects were captured.
2. The vendors hold this data for some time. The data can be grossly misused. 2 months back a Bangladeshi person was arrested in Mumbai. He had 110 genuine UID cards/numbers with him.
3. The government will ultimately provide authentication service to private companies against some fees. This compromises your security
4. Having all your financial and personal data, govt. can prove anybody anything – a terrorist may be. They can implicate you in false cases.
Aadhar was launched with the vision of providing an all-purpose card which would reduce possibility of impersonation in property and other transactions and eliminate subsidy leakage. However with privacy compromised, ease of intruders from neighbouring countries getting merged with Indian citizenship rights and the pain one takes to obtain a proper valid card, wonder what good Mr Nilekani’s card would ever do.
Ironically, the only good thing about Aadhar is that now Chinese don’t have to hack into many organisations – they will get everything at one place!
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December 9, 2013 at 1:02 PM
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-aadhaar-card-worries-the-intelligence-bureau-/20131205.htm
If you are a Kashmiri or a resident of any of the north eastern states, securing an Aadhar card is just about get more difficult.
That’s because the Intelligence Bureau has in a report to the government suggested a re-think while issuing the cards on a blanket basis.
The IB has also sought to run background checks of those working at the Unique Identification Authority of India centres, especially in militancy-hit Jammu and Kashmir and insurgency-hit north-eastern states.
The agency report states, ‘We would like to run background checks of those issuing the cards or working with the UIDAI.’
An IB source told rediff.com, “These are troubled states with a lot of problem relating to terrorists. There has to be a background check and thorough scrutiny at least in these states before a card is issued.”
“These are very important proposals and need to be considered and implemented before the process is complete. Extra precaution needs to be taken,” the source said.
The IB has raised several other points with the government.
The IB states that issuing the Aadhar card to an NRI or a foreign citizen living in India must be scrutinised on the lines of the National Population Register.
Prior to addition to the NPR, a government official visits and verifies the residence of the NRI or the foreign citizen living in India. The IB feels that a similar process must be followed for Aadhar enrolment too.
The intelligence bureau in its report to the Home Ministry also stated that unless and until the process followed under the NPR is implemented, the Aadhar card should not be treated as a residence proof.
The home ministry is studying these recommendations and is expected to take a call on the matter soon
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December 9, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Aadhar is biggest corruption scam, fraud by Sonia G to fill her own coffers on Indian masses and Nandan was willing partner…
If you have good press as Congressies have thn you can run away with murder also in India.
How Sonia, MMS and Nandan have not be questioned by so callled left- sickular media and intelligentsia on Aaadhar before our own eyes…
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December 9, 2013 at 1:49 PM
It is Kejriwal who is the real threat to BJP and Modi.
BJP encouraged Kejriwal and he has turned out to be the real challenger to it.
The mentor tried his best to humiliate Kejriwal by some of his statements but after Kejriwal’s success, he is trying to build bridges with his former Shishya.
Now everyone is watching Kejriwal. What will be his next move? Will he extend the Delhi formula to other congress ruled states like Maharashtra?
It has become Kejriwal versus Modi to win India and Indians while congress is licking its wounds. UPA’s allies are not very clean and they may want to align with the winning horses. Will this be allowed by AAP and sully its clean image?
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December 10, 2013 at 3:51 AM
>BJP encouraged Kejriwal and he has turned out to be the real challenger to it.
LOL
Kejriwal and AAP are like a chicken in an open field with hawks hovering above to attack, grab, kill – whatever the opportunity makes possible.
I don’t think you have been following his life history and progress from the beginning.
There are those accusing him of attacking only BJP and not congress as much.
Then there is this Kiran Bedi (another hawk) coming up very innocently to say ‘first try out with BJP and then if it doesn’t work go for another election’ – what a cunning person.
It’s like telling a vegetarian eat meat. She knows AAP will end the moment it joins the very people who are corrupt (what he’s fighting against).
So apart from Anna and BJP who else is responsible for Kejriwal’s and AAP’s success? Keep listing. Very entertaining and amusing.
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December 10, 2013 at 5:12 AM
now you people start abusing kiran bedi good carry on….aisa na ho prashant bbushan kal ko aap bhi tod de…lol
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December 10, 2013 at 5:24 AM
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/aap-may-extend-issuebased-support-to-bjp-says-prashant/article5441252.ece
the same man who once said kashmir will be given freedom and its not others
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December 10, 2013 at 5:27 AM
u turn:
http://zeenews.india.com/news/delhi/aap-ready-to-offer-issue-based-support-to-bjp-says-prashant-bhushan_895649.html
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December 10, 2013 at 5:49 AM
What about quoting what AAP said?
Do you want to hang him for making a personal statemnt which in no way harms/breaks/ the country? This pretence of deshbhakti by people who get shocked by such comments rather than the real things that are destroying the country is amazing.
Maybe he feels 100% sure that people will want to stay with India so a referendum won’t harm PLUS bring about a solution to the problem where soldiers keep dying. Believe me, it’s an extremely tragic situation for family members.
Anyway he seems to be offering solutions all the time which the party hasn’t approved of.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:06 AM
Did you listen to the interview? I did.
Prashant kept saying, this offer will not come about given are opposite ideologies etc etc, and it isn’t realistic to even think BJP would sign it. This part isn’t being quoted. Just like the fake ‘sting operation’ LOL
I’ve been searching for the COMPLETE inteview which I saw, but it seems to have been removed, but theirs a ‘fake’ sting like clip from it, but you’ll hear him sying he doesn’t think BJP id capable of turning away from their corrupt was to do this.
He clearly said it’s his personal opinion – and interviewer pointed out the same.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/want-other-good-people-to-leave-parties-join-us-for-2014-arvind-kejriwal/300882?curl=1386673185
He said this to show how IMPOSSIBLE it would be to join them BECAUSE they wouldn’t do ‘this’, but as these people are the interviewer saw this as spice and kept on and on over this – till the BJP man himself said lets not discuss this, because he didn’t think Prashant’s was a serious offer – in fact he used the phrase ‘off the cuff’.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:11 AM
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December 10, 2013 at 6:31 AM
I don’t even think you’re reading my comments.
You want to flood the thread with some views that you’d wish to give importance to.
AAP, Kejriwal has said thousands of things – which really matter!!! Quote those – and learn – and teach your party!!!
Have you seen their detailed 70 manifestos, (Which BJP photocopied and published as thier own)?
It’s only the corrupted parties and their supporters who’ll give these things importance over scams, and the state of the country.
And to wind up this useless discussion with you, because our paths are different.please reflect and analyse what you are giving importance to.
I care nothing for these so called accusations that you’ve posted.
Discuss things that matter to the aam aadmi
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December 10, 2013 at 5:38 AM
Yes, one reacts according to behaviour.
You are BJP so ofcourse you approve. Even you would want AAP to take this deathly step and disappear into oblivion.
She’s pushing forces of BJP to spread an image of Kejriwal as trying to shrug responsibility – No ifs and buts.
They still haven’t learnt their lesson that people are not stupid anymore. They didn’t get swayed by fake stings, fake accusations ans this present fake advice by Kiran Bedi.
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December 10, 2013 at 5:48 AM
i am bjp..i approve and i am doing sting good how old are you
hawk bedi ki life history pata hai
hazare is the father of rti in india…
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December 10, 2013 at 6:11 AM
Oh please stop.
If Kiran Bedi did well as a policewoman doesn’t mean she knows what AAP should do?
She doesn’t apply to AAP. She kept her distance all through AAP’s struggle and now comes in to advice?
She should continue her support of corrupt BJP and stop interfering with AAP.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:12 AM
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December 10, 2013 at 6:14 AM
>hazare is the father of rti in india…
And??? Does that mean his corrupt child (BJP and friends in crime – congress) will bring about the passing of these bills?
What RTI are you talking about? The one full of loopholes and unauthenticated information therein?
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December 10, 2013 at 6:20 AM
It’s clear that you belong to one of the corrupt parties BJP.
Their muddas on which they want to bring parties down and their scams is well known – what you’re doing here.
I don’t even know what you want to prove here.
I’m fed up of your explotitive, half baked information that you’re bringing in here.
Your mischief is clear. The later developments and AAP’s view, like the fake sting are not mentioned.
Please don’t involve me in this kind of discussion where you produce half the information to create mischief. You’ve already wasted my time in searching for the Prashant interview to complete your information.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM
never knew bjp was corrupt child of hazare…sahi hai but highest award given to him in other government: last heard he was founding member of iac along with bedi and kejriwal
http://www.indlaw.com/guest/DisplayNews.aspx?206882AF-7017-41BD-8A4F-EBE1D4E2B949
A bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan, Justices P Sathasivam and B N Chauhan declined to entertain the PIL against a Delhi High Court judgement which had upheld the decision of NHRC giving a clean chit to Delhi police.
The Apex Court pulled up the petitioner and asked his counsel Prashant Bhushan ‘How was a police officer killed if the boys were innocent and how is it that they were armed?’ The Apex Court also said, ‘Thousands of police officers have been killed in terrorist attacks and if inquiry is ordered after one year, it will cause harassment to the innocent people and will demoralise the police force.’ Earlier, Mr Bhushan contended before the court that the Batla house encounter has shaken the fate of large number of people belonging to a particular group. The annoyed Apex Court retorted ‘criminal is a criminal and it is wrong to identify such criminals with a particular group of people.’ The Apex Court also described the contention of the counsel for the petitioner as an ‘imaginative story.’ Delhi Police inspector Mohan Chand Sharma was shot dead by the alleged terrorists, two of whom were also killed when the police returned fire. The incident had taken place last year in Dr Zakir Hussain Nagar in Okhla, South Delhi.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:38 AM
Yes, but what use are Anna Hazaare’s awards to the people? Even Kejriwal has Megasaysay award. How does it help the aam aadmi’s daily life problems?
Bigger question – where is his movement going? Where did it go? Did BJP let anything happen? Did he support the bill in parliament? Did Modi pass RTI in Gujarat?
What are you talking? You want to fool people with empty uselss talk?
BJP will never support Anna’s aims. apne pairon par kulhadi maarnewali baat hai for BJP to support Anna.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:42 AM
In the early 2000s Hazare led a movement in Maharashtra state which forced the state government to enact a revised Maharashtra Right to Information Act. This Act was later considered as the base document for the Right to Information Act 2005 (RTI), enacted by the Union Government. It also ensured that the President of India assented to this new Act.[48]
On 20 July 2006 the Union Cabinet amended the Right to Information Act 2005 to exclude the file noting by the government officials from its purview. Hazare began his fast unto death on 9 August 2006 in Alandi against the proposed amendment. He ended his fast on 19 August 2006, after the government agreed to change its earlier decision
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December 10, 2013 at 6:43 AM
And of course because of what AAP/Prashant Bhushan said 100s of children were deprived from going to school, women got raped, and the common man’s life went down into doldrums.
For the last time – I don’t care for this. Talk about issues.
I’m not bjp not congress to get into this kind of thing where you want to use straws as whip to whip AAP.
Talk about the BJP scams now. Enough of this uselss talk.
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December 10, 2013 at 6:47 AM
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December 10, 2013 at 6:51 AM
As I said – you aren’t reading my comments. Another reason to stop discussion.
I’ve already mentioned that both congress and BJP (haath mein kamal ka phool party) have passed bills that are pretty useless and DOESN’T PREVENT CORRUPTION.
Are you thinking clearly? Do you really imagine both the parties are going to provide information which is true?.
Here’s a scenario;
haath mein kamal ka phool parties; Here is information about our funds Rs1lakh.
aam aadmi; who gave it?
HMKKPP; oh that’0s not necessary it was in 5 bits of 20, 000 each.
Don’t want such RTI. You seem to be getting some financial bribe to be spreading this false information – aankhon mein dhool
wali information
Otherwise why are you even aggreeing with this fakeness and false activities?
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December 10, 2013 at 7:00 AM
I posted this in the wrong place. I hope someone will delete the comment above;
I see your desperation Rockstar.
Do you think that bringing Kashmir point to beat AAP, you’re helping the Kashmir issue? That’s how both the corrupt parties deal with any problem, and you’re towing the line well.
What did BJP do for the Kashmiris when they were in power? Did they include them in the ‘Shining India’ slogan? Was Kashmir shining then?
How does Prashant Bhushan’s comment have any effect on anything in Kashmir or any governmental policy?
Is this the extent your desperation will take you to?
I have full confidence as and when AAP is in a position to tackle these problems they will do something better than the other parties.
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December 10, 2013 at 7:04 AM
haath main kamal ka phool ho ya jhaadu ya haath main anything its done by credible administration not rabble rousing and by proving yourself…its perfomance of adminstration
grow up and ya you have told 7-8 to stop and still you only come back not me or how long you keep making joke of yourself
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December 10, 2013 at 7:12 AM
you start with calling others hawk, sickindoo, talked about hazares corrupt child, called others absurd…i did nothing just proved you wrong,,,can understand the furstration carry on and on your so called personal attacks on me sorry you are not that important to comment on…i comment on quotes
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December 10, 2013 at 8:21 AM
OG’s arguments are quite logical and to the point.
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December 10, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Agree sanju–Oldgold has talent and potential as an (honest) politician
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December 9, 2013 at 1:59 PM
keep dreaming…we have no problem even with kejri in delhi and modi at centre…dikh raha hai na decimation of sonias favorite sheila
its not like what congress did with chiranjivi and raj thackrey
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December 10, 2013 at 3:52 AM
Actually it’s people who think Modi will be the next PM who are dreaming. It will be a hung assembly like in Delhi.
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December 10, 2013 at 5:25 AM
fullfilling dream with able administration is mantra not anarchy
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December 10, 2013 at 5:37 AM
Criminal case recommended against Teesta Seetalvad for misusing foreign funds
Crime Branch of Ahmedabad police has recommended to file criminal case against activist Teesta Setalvad under section 406 and 420 for misusing of foreign fund received to build museum in Gulburg society and cheating the residents of the society.
The report has been submitted to the Gujarat State Government which will now be forwarded to the Central Government for further action as Foreign Contribution Regulation Act(FCRA) is under Centre’s purview.
Members of the Gulburg Society in Ahmedabad had earlier filed a legal notice against Teesta Setalvad for embezzling funds meant for the victims of the 2002 riots in Godhra.
Setalvad’s NGO, Citizens for Jutice and Peace has been collecting donations for the ‘welfare’ of the residents of the society which suffered attacks by violent mobs during the riots in 2002.
The notice, signed by twelve Gulburg residents, says that RTI queries have revealed that Setalvad collected huge donations from national and international organisations in the name of providing financial assistance for reconstruction of houses or developing the society into a museum. But despite collecting foreign donation of Rs 63 lakh in the account of CJP and Rs 88 lakh in the account of Sabrang Trust, nothing has been passed on to the members of society.”
The residents had also sent an application to the Police Commissioner, requesting him to ban CJP from organising an annual event on February 28 in memory of the riot victims.
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December 10, 2013 at 7:15 AM
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/manmohan-as-pm-a-mistake-congress-should-sit-in-opposition-aiyar/438763-80.html
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December 10, 2013 at 7:15 AM
poor mms
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December 10, 2013 at 9:26 AM
All those who are gloating over the 11% people in AAP charged with corruption, here are the details over which I had to search high and low.
Half information is NOT correct information.
-Arvind kejriwal has a case of Defamation filed by the political secy. of sheila dikshit for calling her an agent of the power distribution company.
-Manish sishodia and shazia ilmi has case against them for holding demonstration outside the house of the chief minister where these are banned.
-Two others have case against them by the police for obstructing policemen doing their duty, and vandalism inside a police station (?) when the police were not registering the FIR against a gang rape case.
Total eight of them were taken into custody, their bones were broken and then case registered against two.
In all, these are the five cases !
Now if they are to be bracketed with the corrupt of other parties for murder/rape/scams etc it is not my problem.
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December 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM
I have to say, after sitting through innumerable debates on NDTV after the elections what has come out is the very rude, aggressive, and jhagdalu BJPaadmis. Terrible. They talk and monopolise the time leaving others with comparatively less.
Also there’s a sudden deluge of BJPaadmis on the net. They are flooding AAPsite with bad comments. Earlier it wasn’t that much, but now they have overridden the threads.
ufffff!!
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December 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM
Wow looking at this thread, it seems bollywood fans are heavily immersed in armchair politics. I shudder to think about the thread size during the general elections.
Sometimes, I feel BJP should come to power and remain in power for longest period of time to see where we all channel our political frustrations !
The armchair intellectuals / the educated class can have a go with the issues at hand. Bole toh dil ki bhadaas nikaal lo party ko power mein laakar. BJP / Shiv Sena came to power in 90s and the same people were fed up very soon and went back to Congress for a 10 year rule. In fact I understand businesses/ people were so frustrated by Shiv Sena in Mumbai that they may never return to full power for a very long time. There were known extortions and bullying in the name of desh sewa. Somehow I have also held this notion that minorities are better protected and better off with some of these in power.
For the rest part I have come to believe BJP/NDA kya ghanta ukhaad legi? Corruption is the biggest threat to our nation and they are themselves heavily corrupted. The change has to come within the people itself and for that – the white collared and the privileged lot in prominent position need to have integrity and dedication which we Indians sadly don’t have. Truth is all of them are opportunist and at the moment the biggest chor and corrupt are the educated lot, the bureaucrats who are bankrupting the country whenever given a chance and involved in high level corruption and power grabbing.
Politcians ko zabardasti badnaam kiya hua hai …the real culprits are the people who hold positions and engage in judicial abuse.
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December 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM
If you’re hinting at me, I’m NOT an armchair poltician.
This is the first time in my life that I’ve taken an interest otherwise it was a depressive state to have to choose between congress and BJP – both corrupt and scamloving self serving parties.
I’m sincerely hoping for something here, that’s why I’m in it and supporting AFTER studying things, and not because I’m interested in this or that political party.
If people can participate more, it interests me.
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December 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM
No, neither to you Oldgold or anyone specific but in general looking at the thread size and continuous back and forth. While these conversations are definitely healthy, these have hardly any meaning in the real world. Its all about our inbuilt values. I have had few close contacts very vocal on the going on and when they got in a position to do something, simply took the quick route to amass a great amount of wealth through wrong means and bribes.
On the country well being – we should get integrated with world economy more and more. What we need for our growth and development is to pray and hope for – continuous rise of Chinese power as we are the most suited to counter that threat in the region and get westerners interested in our rise and success. This single handedly will remove whatever is ailing our system albeit slowly
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December 10, 2013 at 11:07 AM
>continuous rise of Chinese power as we are the most suited to counter that threat in the region
Chinese power rise is at the cost of the people.
>and get westerners interested in our rise and success. This single handedly will remove whatever is ailing our system albeit slowly
My focus is more on the aam aadmi and their needs.
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December 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM
…because getting foreigners interested etc mean business I think, and somehow richer get richer.
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December 10, 2013 at 12:36 PM
There is corruption in every country in the world. A 680M website that shouldve not cost more than 20M reeks of corruption. The utopia of no corruption can never be achieved.
In India, the real need is to ensure that govt completes the projects it starts, in timely and efficient manner. They will skim 20-30%, every country in the world has that 30% top skim rate, but at least they finish their projects and provide the basic services to people. Also, to remove govt corruption, they need to bring public sector salaries in line with private sector salaries.
Tax collection has to be strictly enforced. Indian IT has not teeth, why will they enforce collection if they are not given any rewards? Every Western country has generous incentives given to their Tax collectors. If Indian govt promises to give 25% of the raided amount to the raid team, why would that team settle with the perpetrator for 5-10%? And if the perpetrator knows that it takes upwards of 25% bribe, why would he/she avoid paying the 30% tax?
Off course, mothing can happen unless massive employment is created within the country. The Chinese do this by undemocratic means, ie removal of unions that create barriers to increasing workforce. Beyond that, minimum wage needs to be established and strictly followed up on. And the top
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December 10, 2013 at 9:40 PM
completion of project on deadline will again come up with danda and monitoring but when sommeone like nandan the head of infosys encourages buerocracy in aadhar or when for introduction of food security bill or for rahul gandhi as pm amartya sen allows himself to be pawn
intial rise of modi 6 year back started with that by doing things especially in central and north india much before now
with due respect to i.t now is bodyshop nothing more
nehruvian model of governance is the huge cause for corruption in heart that is buerocracy
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December 10, 2013 at 9:47 PM
these where acheivers once
http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/nehruvians-unite-against-modi
ll politics may be local, but business is global, and the business of Narendra Modi’s Gujarat is business. An approach that has enabled Modi to ensure that practically all households in his state have access to (uninterrupted) electricity and power. A change from Gurgaon, where the (Haryana) state and Central treasuries get mounds of taxes that get repaid in the form of crater-filled roads, power shortages, water disruptions and an administration unbothered about anything other than raising cash for itself and for its political masters. Gurgaon shows better than anything else the disconnect between public administration and private in India, with skyscrapers needing huge dollops of diesel for power, and employees spilling over onto streets that war-ridden Afghanistan would be ashamed of.
Gurgaon represents Nehruvian India, a state where the sole purpose of the administration is self-perpetuation and the squeezing of surplus from citizens not privileged to be “New British”, i.e. officials or politicians. It is a construct that has been embraced by both these groups, for the power it gives them over the lives of ordinary citizens. Just as British apologists for colonial loot talked of the “civilising” effects of the Raj, claiming that everything from railways to roads would never have come about but for them, India’s post-1947 New British chatter incessantly about “democracy”, a system whereby less than a dozen families rule over three-fourths of those elected to state and national legislatures. Talking to those whose workplace is atop Raisina Hill, it is difficult not to imagine that they consider themselves to be the rulers of a vast colony, which is the rest of India. That they, and they alone, have the right to decide matters that affect any state, any district. Indeed, that the rest of the country is simply incapable of self-governance.
Although India has gone the opposite way of Pakistan, where the share of minorities in the total population has fallen to less than a tenth of what it was pre-1947, this country has had its ethos shamed by repeated pogroms, whether of Dalits or of Sikhs or of Muslims, or even of “caste” Hindus. Delhi 1984 or Mumbai 1993 were inexcusable, as much so as the violence that stained Gujarat after the massacre of karsevaks in Godhra. None of the high-level policymakers involved in incidents previous to (or after) the Godhra riots of 2002 have faced the criticisms focused on Narendra Modi. The crescendo of hate that daily crests towards Modi may be partly based on the fact that Nehruvians are aware that the Gujarat Chief Minister represents their antithesis, in a way that Atal Behari Vajpayee or Jyoti Basu never could be. The only periods when a genuine non-Nehruvian became PM was when Morarji Desai and P.V. Narasimha Rao occupied that post. Both were subjected to vitriol by overt and covert defenders of the Nehru ethos, whether these be in politics or in academe or in the media.
Nehruvian ideology and methods are based on the implicit belief that the Raj was the best thing that ever happened to India, and that therefore its institutions, mindset and laws ought to be retained in their entirety. That the people of India are not mature enough to be trusted with superintending their own destinies, and therefore need to constantly check back with some minion or the other of the administration before being allowed to do even simple tasks. Simply put, the politico-administrative elite that replaced the British in 1947 are the only adults in the country, and the rest are just children. Small wonder that Indians have not been given the access to the internet bandwidth that others in Asia enjoy, or while Japan has 5G, India still crawls along with 3G, where that service is available at all. The choke points that the British erected succeeded in emasculating the Indian economy. The continuation of the colonial policy of excessive regulation ensures that India grows at a speed less than half of the 15% that the genius of its people would easily achieve, if only they were given the same conditions that are enjoyed by counterparts in other countries.
Enter Narendra Modi. All of him is Indian, none of him owes anything to Raj influences. Were he to ever become Prime Minister, he would be unlikely to go the Vajpayee way, accepting the Nehru model of governance, including in foreign and education policy, rather than ensuring that the country move on from the shadow of the British occupation. Modi wants the English language to spread in India, but not British attitudes. He trusts domestic industry and wants it to expand to foreign shores, rather than dwarf them in favour of foreign companies. Only in Nehruvian India can the civil servant who crafted the laws and regulations that enabled Vodafone to avoid paying nearly $4 billion in taxes on a wholly India-based transaction continue to enjoy his or her retirement. In a country less enslaved by its colonial past, the person would have been brought to account. In Gujarat, Modi has not followed the model of the man responsible for ensuring that Jawaharlal Nehru got anointed to continue the legacy of the Raj, but Vallabbhai Patel. Those who want to know what India would have looked like under 17 years of Patel need only go to Modi’s Gujarat.
hese days, internet fora gush venom on Narendra Modi, not by Muslim or Christian voices but by those who claim to be “pure” Hindutva followers. His destruction of roadside temples irks them, as does his refusal to give them a voice in administrative matters, the way Nehruvians always do. The post-Godhra riots were a huge blot, but thereafter, there has not been a single death due to communal — or caste — violence in Gujarat. As Chief Minister, Modi is now stressing the neutrality of the administration in matters of faith, which of course is very different from the Nehruvian polity, which incessantly tells the Muslim community — the strongest single group in the country and a force with powerful international resonance — that they are helpless victims rather than masters of their own fate. The Indian people are one, and deserve better than to be always told that each is different from the other. Ten years after Godhra, the state seems to have moved on, the way Mumbai did after the 1993 horror or Delhi after the genocidal attack on Sikhs in 1984. Should Narendra Modi ever become PM, he would consign to history the Nehruvian system as surely as Deng Xiaoping took China away from Mao Thought in the 1980s. Small wonder that Nehruvians across the world have united against him.
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December 10, 2013 at 12:37 PM
@Rockstar
Here0’s the complete video.
Listen to him saying that the offer is an impossible one which to expect it will be accepted is very unrealistic.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-right-centre/pehle-aap-should-delhi-have-fresh-elections/300819?ndtv_videorhs_t_icon_3
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December 10, 2013 at 11:26 PM
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/column-aap-s-power-shock/1205944
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December 11, 2013 at 7:57 AM
Did they just get up from sleep??
NOOOOOWWW they tell us that it’s impossible to reduce price by 50%???
Did someone pay them to write this? Ambani? Is he frightened that the lower price wil cut into his pockets and drop him lower in the list of richest men in the world?
They didn’t even do their homework to come up with this crap. By including BJP (who’s taking all tips from AAP) in this, they hope to sound just and fair.
If they wanted to criticise AAP’s plan then they should have read AAp’s manifesto and the detailed step by step plan of how they would bring about this cut. Not only that but at their site they had painstakingly explained in various live programmes, and answered questions.
They can still go there and watch the video and read their manifestos/or just about electricity.
After doing their homework, they should have proved every point that AAP has on paper as impossible practically, then one would have given the article a thought about whether they should be believed or not.
This article just puts forth their plan which does not allow such a cut and shows how impossible it is.
When will media stop fooling the people?? How does one get rid of this corruption? By making strict laws to punish false information etc . I think it’s doable
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December 12, 2013 at 1:28 AM
The guys has given numbers not rhetoric ; Find fault with the numbers.
ps – He has been critical of everyone.. http://www.financialexpress.com/columnist/sunil_jain/1
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December 12, 2013 at 3:33 AM
>The guys has given numbers
So has AAP. Numbers plus method. He should have refuted that, not invented his own. Numbers ‘only’ is just a game like statistics.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:35 AM
> He has been critical of everyone..
That proves nothing.
He must just be a grumpy person to criticize everybody. 🙂
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December 12, 2013 at 4:05 AM
Very interesting piece
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/why-the-bjp-loves-aap/1205588/0
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December 12, 2013 at 4:24 AM
It isn’t interesting at all. It’s rhetorical, repetitive and wants to propogate ‘Modi wave’.
In fact the article gradually zeros on trying to prove that there’s a wave. The fact that some of the places (not sure of the numbers, but heard at least 2) where Modi went to give his bhashan AAP candiates won. There was a loss of 2% or 2.5 in votes for BJP. Perhaps 2% loss is not much loss 😉 but it certainly doesn’t look like a wave.
As for AAP supporters who’ll vote for Modi – some of my own aquaintances had said that. The major reason being no one was sure about the direction of the wind, and they just didn’t want Rahul Gandhi. But even this support was blown up to ‘nearly half’ by interested parties, whereas it was about 18% according to others.
Now that encouraging results have come up, and the declaration that they’ll fight for LS (adding enthusiasm by Kumar Vishwas’ selection as candidate from Amethi against Rahul Gandhi) they are remaining in full support.
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December 12, 2013 at 4:57 AM
Are you on drugs???
Read article and thn read AAP manifesto. You dont counter facts but go on unwarranted rant spree…
Counter facts else Zip up !
Ps : Read margins of victory and defeat also. Hope that may enlighten you.
As I said so many times, I don’t indulge ranters and whiners.
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December 12, 2013 at 5:05 AM
As per you Delhi ( 7 seats) = India (543) seats
and Raj= 26, MP-29, CHG = 11 are EQUAL TO Sibal ( Zero).
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December 12, 2013 at 5:21 AM
Don’t get so excited. No I’m not on drugs.
> Read margins of victory and defeat also.
Yes, the glass is half full agree…no no it is half empty.
>Counter facts else Zip up !
Only me? Even these professional articles in newspaper aren’t.
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December 12, 2013 at 5:33 AM
OG :
Come with counter facts
You seem to be on drugs though.
Did I say article is right or all truth? ‘Interesting’.
and You Ranted talking all gibberish but not addressing economic issues flagged.
Article raises issues abt AAPs new economic view aptly called as Apenomics or AAPonomics and how its nothing but Doles without restraint.
And one more reminder
I don’t indulge ranters and whiners.
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December 12, 2013 at 5:52 AM
>As per you Delhi ( 7 seats) = India (543) seats
and Raj= 26, MP-29, CHG = 11 are EQUAL TO Sibal ( Zero).
You have to listen to the ladaka BJPs on TV shouting (like all politicians do in parliament) these numbers to prove this or that.
Then they say, AAP won because of rejection of congress, but one dare not say the same about Rajasthan where there were just these two main parties – no, there it was a wave.
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December 12, 2013 at 5:58 AM
Go to the AAP site, read their EXTREMELY DETAILED manifestos – listen to them explaining and answering questions on their video clips which were live during campaigning days under ‘Hand Out with’.
I would need to write an article of my own to counteract this article. And at the moment I can’t my hands are a bit shaky, the drug is reacting on my fingers while making my brain sharper and clearer.
I could send you the prespriction if you’re interested.
You seem to be in dire need of it. You sound very nervous and jittery.
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December 12, 2013 at 5:59 AM
Correction;
‘Hand out with’ should read “Hang out with”
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December 12, 2013 at 6:01 AM
OG :
Take care !!!
Nasha cheez he aisi hain 😉
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December 11, 2013 at 2:59 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/SC-says-homosexuality-is-criminal-offence-activists-disappointed-with-verdict/articleshow/27211913.cms
NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Wednesday set aside the decision of the Delhi high court, which had in 2009 decriminalised sexual relation between persons belonging to same sex.
A bench of justices G S Singhvi and S J Mukhopadhaya upheld the constitutional validity of Section 377 of Indian Penal Code that makes anal sex a punishable offence.
LGBT activists, whose sexual relationships had been legalised by the Delhi HC, broke down inside the court room.
Parliament is authorized to remove Section 377, but as long as this provision is there, the court can not legalise this kind of sexual relationship, the SC bench observed.
“It is for the legislature to look into desirability of deleting section 377 of the IPC,” the apex court said.
The SC bench allowed the appeals filed by various social and religious organisations challenging the high court verdict on the ground that gay sex is against the cultural and religious values of the country.
The bench, however, put the ball in Parliament’s court to take a decision on the controversial issue, saying it is for the legislature to debate and decide on the matter.
With the apex court verdict, the operation of penal provision against gay sex has come into force.
After pronouncement of the judgement, gay rights activists said they will seek review of the apex court’s verdict.
The court passed the order on a batch of petitions of anti-gay right activists and social and religious organisations against the high court’s verdict decriminalising gay sex.
The bench had reserved its order in March last year after granting day-to-day hearing of the case from February 15, 2012.
While hearing the appeal, the apex court had pulled up the Centre for its “casual” approach on the issue of decriminalisation of homosexuality and also expressed concern over Parliament not discussing such important matters and blaming judiciary instead for its “over-reach”.
While pleading for decriminalisation of gay sex, the Centre had subsequently told the court that the anti-gay law in the country had resulted from British colonialism and Indian society was much more tolerant towards homosexuality.
The Delhi high court had on July 2, 2009 decriminalised gay sex as provided in Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) and had ruled that sex between two consenting adults in private would not be an offence.
Section 377 (unnatural offences) of IPC makes gay sex a criminal offence entailing punishment upto life imprisonment.
The petition seeking to decriminalise gay sex was filed in the high court by Naz Foundation.
Senior BJP leader B P Singhal, who died in October last year, had challenged the high court verdict in the apex court, saying such acts are illegal, immoral and against the ethos of the Indian culture.
Religious organisations like All India Muslim Personal Law Board, Utkal Christian Council and Apostolic Churches Alliance too had challenged the judgement.
The Delhi Commission for Protection of Child Right, Tamil Nadu Muslim Munn Kazhgam, SD Pritinidhi Sabha, Joint Action Council, Raza Academy, astrologer Suresh Kumar Kaushal, yoga guru Ramdev’s disciple S K Tijarawala, Ram Murti, Bhim Singh, B Krishna Bhat had also opposed the verdict.
The Centre had earlier informed the apex court that there are an estimated 25 lakh gay people and about seven per cent (1.75 lakh) of them are HIV-infected.
In its affidavit, the Union health ministry had said it was planning to bring four lakh high-risk ‘men who have sex with men (MSM)’ under its AIDS control programme and it has already covered around two lakh of them.
Gay activists disappointed with SC verdict on homosexuality
The NGO, which was the first to file the petition for decriminalising section 377 of IPC, on Wednesday expressed dissatisfaction over the Supreme Court judgement upholding the constitutional validity of the penal provision making gay sex a punishable offence.
“We are disappointed with the judgement. We think the judgement is not correct in law. We will take appropriate legal recourse,” senior advocate Anand Grover, who argued the case for the NGO Naz Foundation, said after the verdict was pronounced.
Activists of the NGO who were present inside the court room were visibly upset, while those outside said, “is judgement se hamara jeene ka adhikaar chhin gaya hai (this verdict has taken away our right to life)”.
They also demanded that the 1861 legislation, by which section 377 is a criminal offence, be changed.
“Kya yeh crime hai ki ek bachcha lesbian ya gay paida hota hai (is it a crime that a child is born a lesbian or gay)? Yeh toh natural feeling hota hai (this is a natural feeling). Yeh kisi ka hak nahi hai ki LGBT ya gays pe dosh lagaya jai (no one has the right to blame LGBTs or gays),” the activists commented.
The verdict came on the petitions of several anti-gay right activists, social and religious organisations against the 2009 verdict of the high court, which decriminalised gay sex.
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December 11, 2013 at 3:00 AM
This is an embarrassing day for India.
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December 11, 2013 at 9:15 AM
Stunningly Regressive. India has backtracked by a century with this reprehensible decision.
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December 11, 2013 at 10:54 PM
Kumar Vishwas at his best, the fellow can talk for hours, don’t know any other politician with such oratory, not even Modi.
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December 12, 2013 at 3:42 AM
He’s going to fight elections for LS from Amethi against Rahul Gandhi 🙂
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December 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM
Sounds like a young Dilip Kumar at places.
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December 11, 2013 at 11:34 PM
And a very good interview of Kejriwal:
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December 12, 2013 at 8:30 AM
All this sounds good. But again, trying to convert Delhi dreams to national dreams without every proving a governance record will be tough. They should have outright won, and IMO a re-election in Delhi is a gamble.
However, this movement was needed, so as to have someone that constantly checks the national parties. Though, not sure how much of the Congress will be left after 2014. A few more Pappuisms will ensure that they will replicate the Delhi loss nationwide.
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December 12, 2013 at 8:55 AM
OK lets tell them.
Lets tell AAP that they should stay out, because governance has been going on very well, and they don’t know any.
AAP is not expected to have an outright win in 2014 (no one will), but they have to make a start. They have to enter parliament. Otherwise their presence will firmly and surely get limited to Delhi. They have to strike while the iron is hot.
Above all it will all be so interesting as now.
BJP wanting to sit in the opposition is a scream. Waiting for more.
As suggested ny Kumar Vishwas, Modi should contest against Sonia Gandhi.
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December 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM
Kejriwal was courageous and fought against Shiela Dikshit. Instead of standing from a safe seat in Gujarat he should really show his mettle in Rai Bareiily. I say, let the wave take over.
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December 12, 2013 at 9:10 AM
even to save rai bareilly mulayalam wont be there(sp always provided proxy)
for record:
pm is mms who cant win a lok sabha seat and harvard educated chidambaram facing election case of malpractice and ruling
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December 12, 2013 at 9:48 AM
AAP may have an effect in urban areas, but it would need to recruit charismatic leaders in areas outside of the North. Kejriwal/Vishwas/Ilimi are all from the North, they cannot and will not sway voters even in Mumbai. They spent 3yrs in Delhi building up a grassroots org, going from door to door, and the results show. The problems in India vary from state to state, all the issues they fought about were Delhi-centric. What he has been talking about (water/power delivery, etc) has already been implemented by Modi in Gujurat. So if AAP shows up one day in Ahmedabad, their appeal will be limited. To do the same on a national level will take them another 10 yrs. They can start their Lok Sabha ambitions from Delhi and surrounding areas. Let them do at least that much. The need of the hour is to first kick out the corrupt Congress.
Kumar Vishwas is from UP, he has an appeal there. Why should Modi stand from UP, when the entire state of Gujurat is available? Political grandstanding such as fighting against Rahul in Rae Bareilli may win them a few fans, but does nothing to build a national org at the level of Cong/BJP.
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December 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM
As you wish NyKavi.
>Kejriwal/Vishwas/Ilimi are all from the North, they cannot and will not sway voters even in Mumbai.
Similar sage comments were thrown around before too.
Your thinking is conventional. like it was even said that without money it won’t work. But it did.
It depends on the people. If they want it will work otherwise it won’t. Not because of reasons you mention.
The people in Delhi were mobilized and they mobilized the votes. If the people in other parts get as involved then it will work.
Sure they need someone to lead them.
One example of mobilization:
AAP opened up it’s donation site online just a day ago and already 11 lakhs have come in.
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December 12, 2013 at 12:15 PM
I think there is a strong disconnect between policy of AAP and current supporters. Right now I see middle class is firmly behind AAP because of promise of corruption less Govt. and good intentions. But if you read the manifesto it is populist and for poor (kind of leftist).IMO If they are in power (I sincerely wish in Delhi just for experiment) it will leave red marks in balance sheet (I want to be proven wrong). It is like trying to make a massy film with SRK. Multiplex audience (Read internet savvy and pseudo aware folks) will be there for SRK but the multiplex audience will run away after initial euphoria because the subject is not palatable (not enough opportunity for climbing the ladder).
Read comments for debate on Mohalla Sabhas:
http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/vivianfernandes/1878/64973/can-aam-aadmi-partys-mohalla-sabhas-work.html
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December 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM
Munna :
Do poll : how many read manifestos ???? and how many understand it.
AAP economic is aptly called Apenomics : Its Sonianomics without restraint.
Congress in delhi released manifesto day before election 🙂
Its simple, No one expected such performance from AAP so very less scrutiny of their all round policies but now they will be scrutinized rigorously and this will hurt them…
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December 12, 2013 at 12:55 PM
I want less corruption (I don’t think it can be eliminated. It can be reduced. We want top to become corruption less but I think Top represents who we are. It will take time to mend everyone’s way and introducing checks and balances at different levels) and more transparency. But at same time I want opportunities for everyone to grow. Those opportunities are created with environment you give to public with your policies. All your answers about policies can not start with corruption and end with corruption.
I give credit to AAP to force other parties to have more transparency how they do business and more responsive to your voters.
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December 12, 2013 at 2:43 PM
> they will be scrutinized rigorously and this will hurt them…
Wishful thinking?
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December 12, 2013 at 3:14 PM
>Right now I see middle class is firmly behind AAP because of promise of corruption less Govt. and good intentions.
One of the most remarkable thing about AAP voters, which almost everyone reluctantly accepted (media and most observers) was the class of voters right across the society.
Their candidates won from posh areas like Greater Kailash, to jhuggis, right across religious caste barriers without even classifying it as such.
Anyway here’s a link from me too 😉
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/in-up-aap-can-reach-a-figure-modi-can-only-dream-about/1/330794.html
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December 12, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Another one.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/interviews/arvind-kejriwal-has-redefined-what-is-possible-says-narayana-murthy/articleshow/27232199.cms
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December 12, 2013 at 8:39 AM
in indian context:
there was jansatta but never has the base which hazare and company provided…governance is different matter there was agp(assam gana parishad) started by group of young clean students but with power turned absolute other way
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December 12, 2013 at 8:43 AM
typo i mean lok satta…was in south
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December 12, 2013 at 8:50 AM
pappuism:
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/12/2013-eor-for-rahul-gandhi.html#.Uqm-xieOlY4
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December 12, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Munna- kind of like Big B fans showing up for Main Azad hoon !! LOL!!
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December 12, 2013 at 2:02 PM
http://qz.com/157090/a-new-political-party-for-the-middle-class-is-bad-news-for-indias-economy/
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December 12, 2013 at 11:27 PM
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/December13/KhobragadeArrestPR.php
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December 13, 2013 at 2:40 PM
HANDCUFFED????!!!!
Who does that?
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December 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM
Handcuffing a suspect is a normal procedure.
ps – $4500/month after tax money as salary to maid. I am not sure how much she is earning? And the charge is pretty serious and Federal Prosecutor is known for following the law to the letter.
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December 13, 2013 at 6:45 PM
I read she earns $4000, so perhaps there is something fishy. Does a domestic help earn that much in USA? I don’t know that’s why I’m asking.
No, it isn’t a normal procedure to catch hold of someone, suspected of something, on the road and handcuff them – at least not in civilised societies.
Even in India where the policemen are as they are can’t handcuff people. At least that’s what I gathered from how they were leading the damini rapists by hand. Some people on some blogs were complaining why they were given this treatment.
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December 13, 2013 at 7:04 PM
The minimum wage is $9.75/ hour (different States different numbers). She claimed she would pay $4500 which is above minimum wage. You can not pay below minimum wage. So she should have said she will pay $1700/month (8 hours a day). But if you are required to work more than 8 hours the rates are different and there is provision of mandatory breaks. But I guess she was suppose to work more than 8 hour that is why they claimed $4500.
ps – My wife complains that even with whatever we earn we can not keep help and in India relatives have 2-3 helps. It is expensive here. Even CEOs drive their own car.
ps1 – In India handcuffing is not considered good that is why they now have handcuffing by ropes. But in US getting arrested is not considered that bad. You may be handcuffed if you have DUI (driving under influence) arrest.
ps2 – She couldn’t have been arrested from Indian embassy. That would be breaking the diplomatic protocols.
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December 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM
Here’s where I read she earns $4000
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/indian-diplomat-arrested-in-us-for-alleged-visa-fraud-handcuffed-in-public-458143?curl=1386982336
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December 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM
Agree with Goldie there.
Whatever be the intricacies of the pay dispute here with the ‘domestic worker’ –this maltreatment and pubic handcuffing of this poor woman is excessive and disproportionate !
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December 13, 2013 at 9:37 PM
Man this guy Preet Bharara inadvertantly or wittingly goes after desis; first it was Rajat Gupta, now Devyani, God knows who next….Amreekan desi maare Indian desi ki…
Was Preet also behind Madoff’s? downfall? Or was it someone else?
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December 13, 2013 at 7:32 PM
“I read she earns $4000, so perhaps there is something fishy. “–good point. Haven’t read that link but perhaps she does ‘overtime’ or some other ‘part time job’ as well…..
“My wife complains that …”– c’mon munna –Enuf –be a man now !!! 🙂
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December 17, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Idea:
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/satire-aam-aadmi-responds-to-arvind-kejriwals-letter-1-749801.html
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December 21, 2013 at 4:36 AM
Devyani’s case:
https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2013/12/16/highway-trailer/#comment-236203
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December 21, 2013 at 7:42 PM
NEW DELHI: Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade had been a go-getter right from the day she entered Indian Foreign Service (IFS) and got what she wanted, thanks to her ‘influential’ IAS father and benevolent political connections.
The rules for allotment of foreign language to the IFS officers on the basis of their rank in the select list was changed only for her batch (1999) to ensure she got her chosen language.
The Supreme Court found this in a judgment that was delivered three and half years ago while reinstating a dismissed IFS officer Mahaveer V Singhvi and imposing a fine of Rs 25,000 on the Union government for wrongfully terminating the services of the 1999 batch IFS officer.
In this judgment, the court noted the sensational allegations of Singhvi against his batch-mate Khobragade. His lawyer Jayant Bhushan said, “Authorities were desperate to cover up the highly dubious and motivated manner in which the rules of allotment (of foreign language) were altered only in respect of the 1999 batch of IFS appointees in order to favour a particular candidate who was graded lower than Singhvi.”
Bhushan said despite being graded higher than five other candidates in the select list of 10, Singhvi was denied right of preference relating to allotment of a foreign language of his choice in order to accommodate one Devyani Khobragade, who was graded at two places below Singhvi and wanted German as her first preference.
“A great amount of political pressure was brought to bear upon the authorities concerned to ensure that Khobragade was allotted German as her language preference, as she happened to be daughter of a powerful IAS officer in Maharashtra,” Bhushan had alleged.
A bench of then Justices Altamas Kabir, J M Pnachal and Cyriac Joseph said, “From the facts as disclosed and the submissions made on behalf of the respective parties, there is little doubt in our minds that the order dated 13th June, 2002, by which the Singhvi was discharged from service, was punitive in character and had been motivated by considerations which are not reflected in the said order.”
“The Union government and ministry of external affairs have not been able to satisfactorily explain why the rules/norms for allotment of languages were departed from only for the year 1999 so that the Singhvi was denied his right of option for German and such choice was given to Khobragade who was at two stages below Singhvi in the gradation list,” the bench said.
“The mode of allotment was amended for the 1999 Batch in such a calculated fashion that Ms Khobragade, who was at Serial No.7, was given her choice of German over and above Singhvi, who was graded at two stages above her,” the bench had said in its judgment delivered on July 29, 2010.
TOI
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December 21, 2013 at 7:56 PM
The more I am reading about her, the more I am not liking her.
I lost my respect for the congress party and I hope Kejriwal will also treat this party of Vip culture like dirt.
Glad that america is not dropping charges in a hurry.
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December 22, 2013 at 12:53 AM
As I emphasized State Department (Foreign Ministry) and Justice department are different and anyone trying to stop the case could be prosecuted for obstruction of Justice. The ball has started rolling on a downward slope. Either Devyani goes for plea bargain or there is issue with material in prosecution (including credibility of maid like in Dominique Strauss-Kahn case), I don’t see anyone can stop the case.
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December 21, 2013 at 8:28 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/in-the-eye-of-the-storm-did-devyani-lie-in-her-assets-affidavit-to-centre/article1-1165212.aspx
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December 26, 2013 at 8:08 PM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Devyani-Khobragade-deputed-to-UN-had-full-immunity-when-arrested/articleshow/27987487.cms
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December 26, 2013 at 9:53 PM
Indian Media publishes anything:
Read this
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Preet-Bhararas-activism-even-riles-US-judge/articleshow/27929609.cms?
Which is based on following and try to find where maid case is even mentioned:
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/10/16/federal-judge-chides-bharara-for-tabloid-press-operation/
ps – They have changed the title now otherwise they were saying judge pulled up Preet because of the case.
ps1 – Original title was “Preet Bharara’s activism in Devyani’s maid case even riles US judge”
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January 2, 2014 at 5:51 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/diplomats-who-commit-domestic-worker-crimes-shouldnt-get-a-free-pass/2014/01/01/61b750b6-719d-11e3-9389-09ef9944065e_story.html
In June 2011, an Italian consular officer, Giuseppe Penzato, was arrested in San Francisco. Federal prosecutors charged Penzato and his wife with exploiting a domestic worker in their home. This year, both pleaded guilty to conspiring to possess an illegal identification document; they paid $13,000 in back wages to the domestic worker and quietly left the United States.
In November 2011, a Taiwanese envoy based in Kansas City, Mo., pleaded guilty to fraud in foreign labor contracting. Federal prosecutors held Hsien-Hsien Liu in custody for 78 days after her arrest. She paid $80,044 in criminal restitution to two domestic workers from the Philippines who had accused her of human trafficking. A federal judge ordered her deported after she paid the restitution and an $11,040 fine.
In November 2012, Mauritius’s ambassador to the United States, Somduth Soborun, pleaded guilty in federal district court in New Jersey to failing to pay the minimum-wage rate to his domestic worker. He paid a $5,000 fine as well as $24,153 in back wages to the worker.
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January 2, 2014 at 5:52 AM
http://www.newindianexpress.com/opinion/Devyani-Row-A-Counterview/2014/01/02/article1977294.ece
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December 31, 2013 at 1:15 AM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/letter-to-an-indian-nanny-in-new-york/1210913/
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-new-york-nanny-replies/1213629/0
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January 1, 2014 at 11:02 PM
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/overcoming-cynicism/1213955/0
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January 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM
Idea:
its scary if these things are really happening…….http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/Nightmare-once-again-in-Mamatas-West-Bengal/articleshow/28363535.cms
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January 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM
Free speech?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304137304579288963387199586
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January 9, 2014 at 4:43 AM
http://in.news.yahoo.com/team-cong-s-plan-aap-to-counter-modi-050710327.html
Team Cong’s Plan AAP to counter Modi
NEW DELHI: IT IS politically intriguing that Arvind Kejriwal- led Aam Aadmi Party ( AAP) would be backed by the Congress to form government in Delhi. The last thing Kejriwal would have expected was any kind of support from the same party he had vanquished at the hustings. So why was the Congress so magnanimous? It seems the Congress poll strategists have realised that the party is to face massive debacle in the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections. With that bleak picture in mind, all that the Congress folks can do is to minimise the victory margin of its principal adversary and BJPs prime ministerial nominee Narendra Modi. For Congress, propping up AAP serves that game plan.
The Congress ploy to promote a foe to counter the principal rival is nothing new.
In Maharashtra, for example, the Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) made inroads into BJP- Shiv Sena bastions and the saffron alliance lost 10 Lok Sabha seats to Raj Thackeray- led party in the 2009 General Elections. Interestingly, in the build up to the elections, the Congress- NCP government in the state did nothing to stop the MNS activists from beating up North Indians in the name of Marathi pride.
But can the Congress pull off the same coup riding on the back of AAP? The India Today Group asked some of the country’s leading psephologists for their views.
According to C- Voter’s Chief Editor Yashwant Deshmukh, AAP is a middle- class phenomenon and there is a sizable middle class in 200 seats. “ If AAP polls 5 per cent of the votes nationally, they will damage BJP in 50 odd seats. If they get 10 per cent of the national votes, then they will damage BJP in 100 seats. And these seats will then become a toss- up between the Congress and BJP. But if AAP crosses 15 per cent of the vote share the party will become a serious contender to grab a lot of these seats,” he said.
Prof Sanjay Kumar of CSDS said, “ AAP will certainly eat into the popularity of Modi but the impact will be more on votes in urban areas and not so much on the BJPs seat share. AAP can make BJP lose 5 to 7 seats in the Lok Sabha polls.” Economist, psephologist and chairman of Oxus Investment Surjit Bhalla said AAP is likely to damage Congress more than BJP. “ In the top 300 urban seats, AAP may pick up 7 seats that would have gone to the BJP,” he said.
The AAP phenomenon has worried the BJP, even if the party denies in public.
According to psephologist and a member of BJP’s national election management group, GVL Narsimha Rao, similar Congress strategy flopped in Punjab and Gujarat. AAP is firmly with the Congress and if Kejriwals government fails to perform in Delhi, there will be no threat to Modi in Delhi. However, both the Congress and the AAP denied that there is any understanding between the two parties with an aim to counter Modi. Union Information and Broadcasting Minister Manish Tewari said: “ To extrapolate and conclude that this tactical move ( to support AAP in Delhi) was to keep out any one individual or party at the national level is an absolutely erroneous conclusion.” AAP leader and psephologist Yogendra Yadav said: “ In the absence of any credible evidence all this is entertaining speculation and no more.”
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January 9, 2014 at 6:35 PM
NyKavi:
Btw, Khobragade has left the US, granted immunity!
Uncle Sam bends down to Mera Bharat Mahan:
http://news.yahoo.com/indian-diplomat-indicted-ny-leaves-us-205600879.html
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January 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM
Exhibits D, E and F nail the consular.
Click to access Khobragade,%20Devyani%20Indictment%20Exhibits.pdf
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January 11, 2014 at 2:19 AM
** This is now getting to be freaking obscene; Cannot believe this arrogance on the part of Deviyani and her father and the screwed up Indian political climate. How the heck is she a hero?? What about the other minions who get radio-tagged for joining a University or working for a company? **
Mr. Khobragade, a retired bureaucrat who has led small protests in recent days at the American Consulate in Mumbai, said his daughter is seen so positively in India that political parties have approached both her and him to run in parliamentary elections, and that he was inclined to do so.
“At this moment, through the agony my family has gone through in the past month, you people stood with me like a rock,” he said at the airport. “One thing is clear from this: If this country, with 1.2 billion people, if they come together for a cause, justice is inevitable.”
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January 13, 2014 at 8:59 AM
On the blogosphere there are enlightened ones who say that the $500/month was not a pittance because room/board/utility etc was free for Sangeeta. These people do not know what the prevailing market wages are for housemaids in NY. We are fools to be paying upwards of $500/week for Indian/Nepali housemaids in NY. We should have done what Khobragade did, seriously.
In the guise of nationalistic jingoism, all these idiots are covering up the worst employee abuses heaped upon another Indian. And now Messrs Khobragades will get to become MPs and rule over ignorant misinformed Indians. The image of the Scroogish Indian shines through with this episode. But, what can be expected from a Govt which thinks that Rs 30/day is optimum poverty wage in India.
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January 13, 2014 at 5:51 AM
http://www.niticentral.com/2014/01/13/a-polio-free-india-on-the-horizon-thanks-to-harsh-vardhan-178665.html
bjp pushed the button to late in delhi while allowing vijay goel and only replacing harshvardhan in last moment of time case in point congress still defacto ruling in delhi
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January 13, 2014 at 5:55 AM
and shouting is one thing but the governance is another
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/No-more-janata-durbar-Delhi-CM-Arvind-Kejriwal-says/articleshow/28737270.cms
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January 13, 2014 at 9:03 AM
Good intentions but bad execution. The start has been absolutely chaotic. And they are playing into the hands of the Cong by going nationwide in LS elections. Pehle Delhi to sambhalo, agar sambhal gayi to phir Delhi ki asli gaddi door nahi hogi. Rather than making a 5yr blueprint, Kejriwal wants to achieve everything in 5 months. It is foolish, and totally unexpected from what shouldve been a more organised individual who knows the nuts-bolts of Indian bureaucracy.
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January 13, 2014 at 11:34 AM
Janta darbaar plan ends. Actually it was never a plan, just making rhetoric promises without plan doesnt help. Governance is about good planning and honest execution.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/arvind-kejriwal-ends-janta-darbars-says-he-will-go-to-the-people-instead-470593?pfrom=home-lateststories
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January 13, 2014 at 11:35 AM
This is happening to all of their promises. U-turn on power decision.
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/after-much-sound-and-fury-arvind-kejriwal-does-uturn-on-free-power/1217920
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January 13, 2014 at 12:02 PM
ya 17 years in buerocracy and one get this from kejriwal …..
surprising is how mainstream media ignored kiran bedi’s joining of bjp, vk singh alliance with anna hazare and his joining of bjp and last to last week r.k singh the ex home secretary
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Shinde-stopped-cops-from-questioning-man-with-Dawood-links-ex-home-secretary-RK-Singh-says/articleshow/28750588.cms
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January 13, 2014 at 5:58 AM
http://www.bpgrs.in/
brain child of nitish and bjp in bihar holding them for years without fuss in media while in gujrat it was strict monitoring of project ..
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January 13, 2014 at 6:18 AM
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/express-5-why-jayanthi-natarajan-lost-her-job-and-why-justice-ganguly-might/1211115/
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January 13, 2014 at 6:22 AM
not music for those whp ridicule social media and chaiwallah’s:
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/behind-jayanthis-exit-scraps-with-moily-her-rejection-of-consensus-gm-report/1211091/0?socialmedia
Days before she was asked to quit the union cabinet, Environment Minister Jayanthi Natarajan kicked up a storm by rejecting a “consensus position” allowing field trials of Genetically Modified (GM) crops arrived at by stakeholder ministries, the cabinet secretary and the Prime Minister’s Office.
With the Technical Expert Committee (TEC) — under the aegis of the Supreme Court — recommending an indefinite ban on GM field trials in October 2012 and Natarajan also putting on hold field trial clearances given by the Genetic Engineering Appraisal Committee (GEAC) in March 2013, alarm bells had rung across the scientific community and ministries concerned.
The PMO, keen that arms of the government did not talk in different voices on the issue, tasked the cabinet secretary with hammering out a consensus between the Departments of Science and Technology, Biotechnology, and Agriculture so that a common affidavit could be filed in the apex court on the issue. Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar, too, wrote to the Prime Minister underlining the need for this affidavit.
The affidavit was finalised after several rounds of deliberations attended by representatives of all stakeholder ministries including the secretary, Environment, V Rajagopalan. Sources said Rajagopalan also agreed to field trials with certain preconditions.
But even though her secretary agreed to this consensus document, Natarajan decided to disassociate herself from the exercise, making it difficult for the government to go ahead. Result: the government missed its goal of filing the affidavit on December 16 — the case has now been rescheduled for next year.
Natarajan disagreed with other arms of the government over other green clearances too. Only last week, sources said, Natarajan and Petroleum Minister Veerappa Moily, who is now her successor, had a heated discussion at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Investment (CCI).
Three projects from Moily’s ministry held up due to green clearances came up at the CCI meeting: the long pending Chennai Petroleum Corporation Limited’s (CPCL)’s new crude oil pipeline project from Chennai port to Manali in Tamil Nadu, ONGC’s gas project in Assam, and the LNG terminal in Mundra. While CPCL finally got the go-ahead, the environment ministry said it would take a view soon on the LNG terminal.
Natarajan is also said to have had differences of opinion with the cabinet secretariat over the appointments of the chairman of the Central Pollution Control Board (CPCB), and the director-general, Forests. While the cabinet secretariat is said to have held interviews on December 9 — for the CPCB job — which is being handled by a senior environment ministry official, the National Green Tribunal suddenly stepped in the next day on a plea, and restrained the selection process until December 28.
Similarly, Natarajan and the cabinet secretariat — which held interviews for the position of DG, Forests on December 6 — disagreed on the choice. A final decision is yet to be taken, even though the incumbent retires this month-end.
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January 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288935
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January 14, 2014 at 5:00 PM
Indian and Nepali live-in housemaids in NYC are paid upwards of $500 for a five day week + transportation costs on weekends + paid days off on 5 public holidays + paid vacation when the employers go on leave. Employers do not charge for room/board/food. Most pay in cash. So these maids (a lot of whom are illegals that paid lakhs of Rs for passports/Visas) end up banking upwards of $25k/year. Whatever may have been Sangeeta’s motives, it is pretty obvious that she was getting paid a pittance when compared to prevailing market wages.
Btw, the above figures are true, I should know, cause I employ one 🙂
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January 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM
“Whatever may have been Sangeeta’s motives, it is pretty obvious that she was getting paid a pittance when compared to prevailing market wages. ”
Otherwise what is the point of bringing someone from India. And she was paid Rs 30,000 suggests that she was doing overtime. Typically overtime rate is 1.5 times the regular rate.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime_pay.htm
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January 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM
True, and this is not the first time an Indian has been involved in labor crimes amounting to slavery. There were a few similar cases of families in NY bringing maids from abroad who were grossly underpaid and overworked. The maids ran out and those families got into jail.
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January 15, 2014 at 12:08 PM
BTW, even large IT cos. bring programmers over on the B1 or J1 visas, put them in cramped company apartments, but pay them $30-40 per diem as well as the paycheck they draw back in India. So these guys end up saving $700-800 per month over their 3-6 month trips. It’s like a bonus for them, over the regular monthly wage they made back home. They are not abused or overworked, so its a win-win for both employee and employer.
But, it is grossly illegal, and lots of these IT cos do it anyway. The INS has been cracking down on this as well, and I believe the new immigration laws will address these issues.
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January 15, 2014 at 11:58 AM
I am pretty sure she was paid below minimum wages and wasnt paid overtime.
About other claims about mistreatment and not being allowed to return, they could be true. Hard for us to know.
I think there are quite a few who want to come to US and work for low wages as it offers them something they couldnt get in India and in the strictest sense of the word they are ‘exploited’.
But, this is human nature. People prefer to get things for the cheapest they can get. That in itself is not as big a crime as maltreatment and not being allowed to return, which is a huge deal IMO.
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January 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Instead of the perverse depiction of ‘slavery’ in Oscar baiting ventures like ‘django’ & ’12 years a slave’-it woul be more relevant of someone has the guts to depict the ‘economic slavery’ be in the Middle East or cheap ‘outsourcing’ deals —
The above devyani episode seems neither forcible nor grossly (over)exploitative than prevailing standards..
Ps: (‘Sexual’ slavery is a different ballgame)
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January 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Based on Indian standards? Forced is difficult to prove. But underpayment is well established based on documentary proof.
ps – The legal case is about lying under oath.
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January 18, 2014 at 9:43 PM
An excellent interview of Arun Shourie by Pagalika Ghose; blasts Singh and the ‘trend’ of coining new phrases like ‘Internet Hindus’, ‘inclusive’ growth
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January 19, 2014 at 2:49 AM
hope chunnu munnu’s journalit on tv and print media learn a lesson or two when he was one
btw an old barb on shashi tharoor:
http://archive.indianexpress.com/news/narendra-modi-labels-shashi-tharoors-wife-a-rs-50-crore-girlfriend/1024013/
isi involment and honey trap which goes on political and bollywood front shouldn’t be ignored
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January 19, 2014 at 2:57 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arun_Shourie
In a series of exposés, many of which he wrote himself, Shourie and the Indian Express, where he became Executive Editor in January 1979, uncovered corruption in the highest echelons of the government and exposed several major scandals, including what has been dubbed “India’s Watergate.”[6] Shourie started a one-man crusade in 1981 against Abdul Rehman Antulay, the then Chief Minister of Maharashtra State, who allegedly extorted millions of dollars from businesses dependent on state resources and put the money in a private trust named after Indira Gandhi. The story caused the eventual resignation of the chief minister and great embarrassment to Gandhi and her ruling Congress Party.[7]
Shourie’s exposés resulted in a prolonged labour dispute at the Mumbai offices of the Indian Express, where a labour organizer with ties to Antulay encouraged workers to strike for a minimum wage double than what was paid at any other newspaper in India. It also resulted in a government crackdown that included a host of legal cases launched against the Indian Express by various agencies. In 1982, the paper’s owner Ramnath Goenka fired Shourie as a result of continued government pressure.[8]
Between 1982 and 1986, Shourie wrote for various newspapers and magazines, at the same time as being General Secretary of the People’s Union for Civil Liberties. He was appointed executive editor of the Times of India in 1986 but was lured back to the Indian Express by Goenka in 1987. Shourie launched an attack on then prime minister Rajiv Gandhi over the Bofors howitzer gun purchase scandal. This contributed to Rajiv Gandhi’s defeat in the subsequent parliamentary elections.
Among the many battles Shourie fought for press freedom, perhaps the most famous was his crusade against the government’s proposal in 1988 to introduce a defamation bill. It was widely perceived that the bill had been introduced with unusual speed in the Parliament in an attempt to muzzle the Indian Express, and the entire media community joined Shourie and the Indian Express in condemning the move.
At one stage, there were 300 cases filed by the government against the Indian Express, and credit supply from banks was cut off. Shourie, however, continued his battle against government corruption until 1990, when differences on editorial policy forced him to resign from the Indian Express. The differences involved Shourie’s opposition to the implementation of the Mandal Commission Report, that sought reservations in government jobs for Other Backward Classes (OBC), which were initiated by then Prime Minister V. P. Singh’s government. After that, he devoted his energy to writing books and regular columns, which appeared in different languages in 30 newspapers across India. In 2000, he was named as one of the International Press Institute’s 50 World Press Freedom Heroes of the past 50 years.[9]
Shourie is a member of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). He has been a member of the Rajya Sabha and also held the office of the Minister of Disinvestment, Communication and Information Technology in the Government of India under Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s prime ministership. As Disinvestment Minister, he led the sale of Maruti, VSNL, Hindustan Zinc among others. His position as Minister was a controversial one, but he and his secretary Pradip Baijal are much respected for kick-starting what people believe was a best-in-class process. In a poll of India’s top 100 CEOs in February 2004, he was ranked the most outstanding minister of Mr.Vajpayee’s government.[10]
Shourie was one of the loudest voices opposing the nomination of Pratibha Patil as the President of India in 2007. Arun Shourie authored two articles published as a booklet titled ‘Does This Tainted Person Deserve to Become President of India?’ in which he discussed the highly questionable past of the Congress candidate. In a detailed interview with Karan Thapar, Shourie gave voluminous proofs accusing Pratibha Patil and her kin of embezzling funds from Pratibha Mahila Sahakari Bank, a bank which she had founded and was in charge of. Reserve Bank of India (RBI), revoked the licence of the bank in 2003 after it was found out that the bank had illegally waived interest on loans given to many of Pratibha Patil’s family members.[11] Shourie also accused her of obstruction of justice and in a murder case against her brother G.N.Patil.
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January 19, 2014 at 2:52 AM
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/534930/20140118/isi-linked-sunanda-pushkar-death-hoax-twitter.htm
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January 20, 2014 at 9:15 AM
Kejriwal is totally undoing his credibility. Inconveniencing Aam Aadmi like this will not be taken lightly by the Aam Aadmi. People in Delhi are flabbergasted with the way AAP has conducted itself in just its first 3 weeks. Things are getting chaotic, he really needs to retreat and rethink. Good Intentions, but totally ridiculous implementation.
http://www.sify.com/news/kejriwal-protest-inconveniencing-the-aam-aadmi-news-national-obukadiechc.html?source=sifyhome&slot=c1s1
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January 20, 2014 at 10:05 AM
arre wah. inconvenience bhi na ho, aur kaam bhi ho jaye.
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January 20, 2014 at 10:18 AM
That is not a valid argument. Closing down 4 Metro stations, forcing people to sit in traffic for hours, etc. causes disruption of daily business. People could not reach their work on time, or had to take off and lose on wages. If he had to cause such disruption, why not do it on a Sunday when most people do not work? Why do it on the first day of the week?
One cannot legislate from the streets. Again, I am not against AAP, but these methods are not going down well. Good intentions with horrible implementation will not get them to anywhere. They lost a bunch of public support with these ridiculous actions. And they are not even in power on their own. Congress is making a mockery out of them. When the Cong senses public frustration with AAP rise to higher levels, they will withdraw support and force an election in which AAP will not win even half of what they did. It is amazing that AK does not see this game and acts a bit more wisely. Cong was trying to use them against the BJP for the LS, but if they sense that this nautanki is hurting the AAP’s chances for LS, they will withdraw support immediately.
This was one golden chance for a new clean part to display clean governance. AK and his colleagues are squandering it away.
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January 20, 2014 at 10:59 AM
When people are given tall promises for instantaneous implementation of good governance, the inconvenience is the last thing they expect. No one wants to lose on rozi-roti. This is basic kitchen table economics. People want good governance, not a Bolshevik revolution.
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January 20, 2014 at 11:17 AM
there was method in madness but from other side:
bjp despite being highest party and some 3 or 4 short knew though they have history to(though nobody is clean in politics)
they sacrificed delhi taking no chances for lok sabha where bigger stakes are there apart from pity 7 seats )
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/apr/17vote.htm
and same mms the honest man was seen with cash for vote scam in parliament
even congress was not generous to support they knew what was in store with governance and backlash and cutting down of some upper middle class votes
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January 20, 2014 at 12:58 PM
I don’t think AAP promised instantaneous implementations. Only a fool would believe that. Arvind Kejriwal always said – “hamare paas koi jadu ki chaddi nahin hai jo aaj satta mein aayen aur kal sab kuch theek ho jaye’. So your accusation is not valid.
Closing down of metro was a political move to do exactly as you are saying, to inconvenience the public and get them against AAP. Why did they close the metro? Is there a war? People are doing a perfectly democratically constitutionally appropriate dharna so that the central government just don’t get let off easily on issues – as always.
This is a great interview. Great clarity of thought and some answers to questions.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24×7/congress-will-soon-regret-support-to-aap-arvind-kejriwal-tells-ndtv/305854?curl=1390240650
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January 20, 2014 at 10:44 AM
biggest threat of 26 jan is there and this is highly resonsible when most of warfare arriving in delhi and terrorist threat is maximum and here is cm who is creating anarchy
enough said
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January 20, 2014 at 1:12 PM
You have to change your definition of anarchy.
Anarchy is;
– women getting gangraped all the time with NO ACCOUNTABILITY..
3 cases of police inaction – gangrape of a Danish woman, a minor girl sustains 45% burns after she fought against rape, but was set on fire as retaliation, and the drug racket case – and government says it will carry out *investigation* while the police officers in charge of that locality and refusing to do anything espeially in the ‘burning’ case (wanted to give Rs 2000 to the girl’s father) – all AAP is asking. suspend them or transfer them for the time of the investigation, they caanot still be sitting in power (the SHOs) and have investigation on them and their department going on.
-anarchy is, treating the trasuries as your personal bank accounts.
The list is long. And you are worried about Republic Day.
There was a film I saw (old one) where a glittering charity function was going on with drinks, food, entertainment etc, and some poor beggars discussing – yeh sab hamare liye ho raha hai.
That’s how you sound. There are people suffering because of government and police inaction, and you talk of Re*public* Day where foreign dignitaries will get honoured, all the ministers will get preferred seats and royal treatment, and a CM struggling along with his team to get some action from the government is a hindrance to all this glitter (which is NOT GOLD).
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January 20, 2014 at 1:29 PM
anarchy is following mobocracy rather than democracy especially hen you have no power and no shield of excuses
from what law is there and implementation…learn to make sene first instead of rant…
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January 20, 2014 at 1:32 PM
You can bring whatever style of nomenclature you want the facts will remain the same – here’s a man WHO IS DOING SOMETHING!!!
Being BJP, this unsettles you and so people together look like a mob. Dharna looks like anarchy. You seem to be very satisfied with the anarchists that have been ruling till now.
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January 20, 2014 at 1:34 PM
[edited]
aaj phir nasha jyada kiya kya
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January 20, 2014 at 10:49 AM
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2014/01/dangerous-deceptions-part-4-punch-drunk.html#.Ut1Eqfu6Zkg
ome of the above are AAP Party founders, some are “I-want-what-you-have” wagon hitchers like Gopinath and Ashutosh; some are professional agitators like Mallika, Medha. And some are Fai-fighters like Chenoy and Bhushan. All of them are “useful idiots” for someone; some of them know it, some don’t. We can only make a fair estimate who their Master is. So I estimate one day, like those Fai idiots, some of these people will say “Oh I didn’t know AAP would turn out like this. I thought they would take us to the Promised Land”. That’s how idiots usually start out to fool others but more importantly, they fool themselves. Events of the past few weeks reminded me what I tweeted on December 12 about dogs chasing cars. The AAP guys simply don’t know what to do now and have turned Delhi into a daily street battle with vigilantes raiding schools and hospitals and ministers raiding imaginary prostitutes.
In the previous part I asked how in the world Commies can even talk about democracy. They are mostly street thugs or good at agitations and when in power they’re bad dictators. Somnath Bharti proved it by chasing some Nigerian women calling them prostitutes and threatening the police to carry out raids without any warrants. The Nigerian women were harassed, their private parts searched and were even racially abused. This is typical Commie-Goonda behaviour. They have now become the same “goondas” that they accused politics was infested with. Somnath is the same guy indicted by a Delhi court for tampering with evidence and he’s the Law Minister. The best part about this crook is he took the media along to his midnight express. The TV scenes of Bharti could have well been from a movie like ‘Gangajal’ with the goonda threatening the police. Punch Drunk!
On the issue of rapes there was a lot more clarity from Arvind Kejriwal. The man campaigned calling Sheila Dikshit “Beimaan” (Dishonest) and even put up posters on Auto rickshaws. But this is what it looks like now:
f it was just political gimmickry that forced AK to make those statements pre-elections that is understandable. Politicians make grand claims for votes. But there is something even more dangerous that AK does that is similar to Bharti’s act. He wants the police to avoid penalising Autos that break rules. He wants Autos to refuse passengers. AK is neither interested in law nor is he interested in protecting women or any citizen. He simply doesn’t know what to do. He forgot that he gladly enjoyed agitating during the Nirbhaya rape incident and mouthing filth against the police, the transport system, the CM and the govt. In my post ‘Broken Windows’ I had tried to explain that bigger crimes start with ignoring small crimes. AK forgets that Nirbhaya happened because an Auto refused to carry her and her friend and they had to walk a bit and finally board that monster bus which was not certified road-worthy. “I am the Lord and my WILL be done”. That’s how AK and his Law Minister are behaving and fool people by repeatedly telling them “we are Aam Aadmi, we live an Aam life” and such bogus crap. AK is the guy who said “Ruling Delhi is not rocket science”. Self-deception!
By now most of their hypocrisies, U-turns and deceptions from the past and the present have become a daily routine. A reader, Sanku Das, points out the shocking amounts due from many AAP members to utility boards and departments. Shazia Ilmi has assets worth 17.45 crores. Look up on other members when you have the time. How AAM are these people? Let’s catch up with some more punch drunk idiots:
(entire history unfolding in various series)
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January 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM
Giving links to propoganda sites is hardly impressive.
Be more down to earth.
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January 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM
http://www.niticentral.com/2014/01/20/salman-khan-defends-narendra-modi-willing-to-campaign-for-him-181116.html
Salman Khan has spoken, and it is not a message our so-called secularists are going to like. In an interview with Rahul Kanwal, on his show Seedhi Baat, the Bollywood star of films like Ek Tha Tiger and the upcoming Jai Ho, said that he will campaign for Narendra Modi if he is asked to and if Narendra Modi does good work for the people.
In a candid, one-on-one conversation, Salman Khan expressed surprise about why his visit to Narendra Modi is generating so much debate. After all, Amitabh Bachchan and Ajay Devgn have both been seen in Narendra Modi’s company.
“Is it because I am Muslim?” he asked.
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January 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM
hahahaha BJP seems to have acquired quite a few muslim mascots. I wonder how much it cost them.
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January 20, 2014 at 1:52 PM
biggest was apj abdul kalam father of indian nuclear bomb and mascot for presidentship defeated by competent pratibha patil
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January 20, 2014 at 2:36 PM
> father of indian nuclear bomb
I’m not a fan of nuclear bomb fathers anywhere in the world.
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January 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM
“I’m not a fan of nuclear bomb fathers anywhere in the world”– haha nice one-liner, Goldie..
What about ‘bomb’ mothers ? lol
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January 22, 2014 at 8:27 AM
those who are indian citizen know him without impressing anyone
aside:
http://qz.com/168455/indian-media-failed-sunanda-pushkar-and-now-shes-dead/
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January 20, 2014 at 11:02 AM
Kumar vishwas: nurses from Kerala are kali peeli. So easy to call them sister. Can’t do that with beautiful nurses from north.
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January 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM
Desperation!!! Getting old videos and circulating them around. AAP wasn’t even in existence then.
Can a man not change?
If he speaks so today, that would be a fair attack – but what can one expect of saffron brigade, who goes back 500 years to break mosques and arouse people today. Shame on them.
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January 20, 2014 at 1:56 PM
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January 20, 2014 at 2:27 PM
Watch your language Rockstar.. there’s nothing in Oldgold’s comments that warrants your response..
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January 20, 2014 at 2:33 PM
why it was edited …do you have the license to call other others propagandist, desperation and all…who is that [edited] to advice me to be down to earth and communicating with me when she is allready in ignored list and when i don’t engage in personal stuff and told her to …
put the comment upside or ban no two ways here …
watch your reading comprehension first satyam
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January 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM
and ya if you can’t face then ban rather than doing editing things here as per your convenience ( some ground rules)
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January 20, 2014 at 4:55 PM
Rockstar, I don’t have anything to add to what I’ve already said. All of this is not up for debate. Sometimes debates are tough but there’s a difference between this and insults or name-calling. You tend to lose your cool rather easily anyway. As for who stays, who doesn’t, who gets edited and who doesn’t, that’s not your call.
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January 20, 2014 at 2:49 PM
the most shocking part is this guy has taken out the content in response ….is this some joke or what …mazak bana liya hai kya
now i have to ask for a permission to get counterview or be a spoon(chamcha)
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January 20, 2014 at 4:57 PM
you should have thought about this before writing that sort of comment. There was too much name-calling in it. Hard to separate legitimate content from the rest.
On the rest Oldgold and I disagree 99% of the time. So not sure what you’re talking about!
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January 21, 2014 at 2:18 PM
why content was removed when nothing objectionable was there
rather than me loosing cool( which is rarely the case as i never indulge in personal stuff but relies more on content and quotes but when somebody is repeatedly doing same despite me saying i am ignoring him/her don’t expect any leniency and its very painful someone as prolific as you going compleately banal and clueless and unable to comprehend
pretty sad state of affairs
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January 21, 2014 at 2:23 PM
if ‘content’ is mixed with insults I will not make the effort to weed things out. It’s a waste of my time. Your views have never been censored in any sense but you tend to overreact to disagreement and lose it completely relatively soon. I don’t like barring anyone, some would say that I stretch the rope out a bit too much (!) and that’s probably correct but there are limits to everything. I’ve known you for very long. It’s unfortunate that you’ve let political disagreements come in the way. Hope you can overcome this phase and get back to some semblance of normality.
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January 21, 2014 at 2:28 PM
on the contrary same is applicable to you
hiding behind editing when nothing objectionable in content makes me wonder you are totally intolerant to counterview when you lost the plot…
hope you overcame this phase and be prolific and contribute
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January 22, 2014 at 8:35 AM
another rubbish:
kerala congress wala masscared him not saffron brigade and question to be asked why there was a public apology from him today …
since ayodhya came up from no where let me remind you it is 150 year long dispute right before indian independence because hindus revered it to be birth place of lord rama …why forensic is doing study and came up with there report ask government of india and supreme court
and ya for that numerous temple in nearby pakistan and bangladesh…an exiled writer taslima nasreen from bangladesh wrote lajja and she had to leave country and currently she has taken refuge in india only and do try to know what it was about and ya just two year before ayodhya something also happened to kashmiri pundits in valley
diverting things here and there don’t serve any purpose untill one concentrate on topic in hand and make facts
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January 20, 2014 at 1:03 PM
Delhi people have got what they wanted. Nation is watching with amusement the free entertainment provided in Delhi ahead of republic day. The day will not be faroff if a bunch of people provoke and brand someone as witch and start their witchhunting.
We must thank the courts for some semblance of rule of law.
It is like giving a monkey the power and then get bruised by it. the same media which went into ruptures are now questioning and the tide is slowly turning against.
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January 20, 2014 at 1:22 PM
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kejriwal-attacks-delhi-police-calls-kiran-bedi-a-modi-supporter/446275-3-244.html
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January 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM
No one seem to challenging AAP on the work has been done in just last 21 days. Their claim is in last 64 years none of the government (including new government in 4 states at the same time)had done even tenth of it what they were able to do in just 21 days.
On ‘Water’ promise lame allegation is they are providing relief to only meter holders and not to others who don’t have meters and water…stupidly forgetting the creator of that situation. No one prevented to provide that in last so many years while ruling!
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January 20, 2014 at 8:13 PM
Superb Interview of Salman Khan !!!
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/salman-khan-narendra-modi-bjp-kite-festival/1/338670.html
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January 23, 2014 at 10:15 PM
wow, speechless !!!
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January 20, 2014 at 8:14 PM
some Phata Purana Peetals are acting like Digvijay Singh of Anarchy Party !!
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January 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM
AAP-was-voted-to-straighten-system-not-bend-it-. Aptly written
http://www.sify.com/news/AAP-was-voted-to-straighten-system-not-bend-it-Comment-Special-to-IANS-news-National-obvmaidgfhb.html
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January 21, 2014 at 9:17 AM
http://www.sify.com/news/10-things-about-the-aap-then-and-now-imagegallery-national-obvapJabcfd.html
http://www.sify.com/news/if-this-is-aap-education-give-me-illiteracy-news-national-obvk9lfjjjj.html?ref=slideout
http://www.sify.com/news/dharnas-to-anarchy-aap-s-gifts-to-delhi-news-columns-obusFwfbdaj.html
As of now AAP has turned into a mob provoking police and media in Delhi. They are fools, all this being telecast live all over India. Kejriwal has totally lost it, his entire experiment seems to collapsing in tatters.
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January 21, 2014 at 1:46 PM
so satyam is busy editing giving ridiculous reasons
aside a more scathing stuff :
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2014/01/the-lipstick-wars.html#.Ut7AVfuIZdg
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January 21, 2014 at 1:49 PM
ridiculous or not those are the rules for those who wish to stay here. The rest is upto you.
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January 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM
Rockstar,
You have been a valuable contributor for a long time.
Satyam doesnt need someone to explain his position nor do I have his permission to do so. But, I feel obliged to intervene since I think the wires seem to be getting crossed at your end.
As far as domestic politics goes, I tend to share a lot of your views. May be not as passionately but I find myself agreeing more with you than Satyam. And, I dont think Satyam has ever had an issue with that. I think what he objected to was inappropriate language directed at another member whose only fault was disagreeing with you. Differing view points and disagreements have never fazed Satyam. And, it is unfair to suggest that editing of comments is arbitrary or an attempt at censorship. Hope you can see what I am trying to suggest.
We all tend to get sensitive and defensive at some point for a variety of reasons but to his credit Satyam has been extremely lenient in moderation.Perhaps too so.
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January 21, 2014 at 2:19 PM
thanks Rajen… you said it much better than I could. Rockstar knows very well that his views have never been questioned here. if he nonetheless resorts to insulting talk as in the most recent response which I’ve deleted this is only bad faith on his part. And I’ve more or less lost patience but he can consider this a last chance.
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January 22, 2014 at 10:16 AM
You NEVER edited Rajen when he was abusive towards me. Bulkul naa insafiyat hai. Rolling my eyes at utter partiality towards all things Rajen/Abhishek and whatever colors that chasma for which you will bend all logic and in every direction Satyam-not=asatyam
Rockstar: omrocky, annjo, you totally rock. baki saab aaya raam, gaya ram
xoxo
🙂
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January 22, 2014 at 10:45 AM
Rajen has become everyone’s favorite target. Whenever I question someone there’s this ‘get Rajen’ response! Whatever this condition is Rajen isn’t qualified to cure it..
More seriously I could offer an ‘explanation’ on this as I have before but it would be pointless. Those who want to cry foul will do so no matter what. Apex is still around, so is Rockstar. The latter after insulting me regularly on various occasions in recent times (not that I’m bothered by this but I wonder why you and others develop blindness or amnesia on these occasions) including just yesterday. Apex has had more chances than anyone I can think of in the history of this blog. it’s not even close. But perhaps you have missed his comments on ‘Abhishrek’. You might have missed Rockstar’s ire the other day when he insisted I was taking sides with OG against him. Again those who scream about unfairness at every point are curiously selective about remembering stuff.
Back to Rajen.. still not willing to offer any explanations here.. I don’t believe I have dealt unfairly with anyone.. being human (yes I know this is news to some) I cannot say there’s perfect consistency all the time, a lot of it is about contexts.. however if people continue to believe this they should perhaps stay away from an ‘unfair’ blog such as this one.
‘Rajen/Abhishek’? You need a life!
On second thoughts there might be something to your conspiracy. Both those guys are fans of Amitabh Bachchan. They might even both be fans of Abhishek Bachchan. Will get to the bottom of this.
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January 22, 2014 at 12:35 PM
I agree in sense that some of Rajen’s comment are not appropriate but he listens to request to tone down. There is no issue with right, left or center ideology but it needs to be appropriate thread and civil. In case of rockstar he/she is using faggot in every other comments for commentators. Either he/she doesn’t know or is doing deliberately. In any case it is not allowed.
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January 22, 2014 at 12:45 PM
Munna, thanks for that comment but note how no one objects when others do far worse. So just in that comment Di is praising Rockstar. Or no one has a problem with Apex who has sexual innuendo built into every comment and also directs it at people in personal ways. Not attacking either one here, just making the point that people have problems selectively. And so when I sometimes don’t agree with people it is because even though they might be accurate in some literal sense they are not completely honest in the larger sense. It’s not just this stuff but about other film-related matters too. To provide a ‘political’ example there are those who discover corruption only with certain political parties. Now of course corruption is a problem and the parties in question are guilty of this. But one can’t ‘discover’ these problems only on one side of the equation. Similarly I might have many issues with SRK but whether he had an affair with Priyanka Chopra or not is not one of them! On the other hand there are those who attack Aamir for all sorts of reasons including the fact that he left his first wife or was involved with other people or whatever. The point once again is that ‘literal truth’ can be made to serve a larger ideological framework and often a larger dishonest framing. Much as some folks become great ‘legalists’ on certain issues when everyone knows that the legally provable and the true are different matters. Do I think OJ was guilty? Yes. Was this proved in court? No. Again I’m getting into all these examples because people suddenly turn up here or at least are very infrequent visitors and then complain about one thing or another. You tell them about the rest and they either don’t know because they haven’t been around or they choose to be blind. Even the former is not an excuse. Back to the newspaper example — I can say the news doesn’t count on the days I don’t look at the newspaper!
And so a lot of people say a lot of things that are not necessarily appropriate, I’m sure I’m one of them. But the larger contexts are important too.
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January 22, 2014 at 12:54 PM
“The latter after insulting me regularly on various occasions in recent times (not that I’m bothered by this but I wonder why you and others develop blindness or amnesia on these occasions”
kindly shows the so called insults , threads are some ground rule and here, hillarious frankly thats not truth
i have nothing against anyon wheather you defend someone or someone else defend you but be upright
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January 22, 2014 at 12:56 PM
I’m not going to get into a back and forth again with you. Said everything I needed to over the last couple of days and those things stand. As long as things are kept civil and organized (in terms of threads) there will be no issues. But ‘civility’ isn’t a debatable concept where one cannot decide who’s at fault! That’s all I’ll say here.
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January 22, 2014 at 1:04 PM
but you have put forward serious accusation :
i am pretty mucch intrst where i have insulted , back your words or accept its a lie…show where a so called rockstar is insulting satyam and ya this is disgusting satyam
anyway this is my last comment for forum :
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January 22, 2014 at 5:19 PM
What is most amusing here is the prevalence of a crude ‘dushman ka dushman dost’ mentality. Which ties in with the lack of honesty Satyam is referring to.
Note the reference to dushman is in a very loose sense. More like someone with a differing view point.
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January 22, 2014 at 6:51 PM
I didn’t know omrocky and annjo were satyam’s “dushman”.
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January 22, 2014 at 7:06 PM
Good point dimple…
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January 23, 2014 at 6:56 AM
Thank you Di….
and don’t worry about Rajen, he is the Tau jee of this blog.. beech beech mein aaye thoda Gyaan baanta , thodee gaali -walee dee bachchon ko ,aur baith gaye, boley toh just one step short of being an Item old man !! LOL!!
Rajen sir- Joke thaa !!
Rockstar- hope you will reconsider your decision and start commenting. learnt long time back there is no point getting worked up .
Aap right now has only Commies ( and that too frustrated ) left with them, poorana peetal hai. thoda toh bajega hee !!
Ibtida Ishq hai, rota hai Kya, aagey aagey dekh, hota hai kya !!
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January 23, 2014 at 7:29 AM
lol rocky
but ya i am very curious to know about imaginary insults on satyam and a certain muunna with due respect who i guess is rks(rohit ka sipahi just said that in lighter sense ) of old naachgaana show me which commentators (with due emphashis on s) i have called faggot
called one though who behaved liked one( apni archive khol ke dekho what has been told to me what i said
rockstar Says:
December 10, 2013 at 7:04 AM
haath main kamal ka phool ho ya jhaadu ya haath main anything its done by credible administration not rabble rousing and by proving yourself…its perfomance of adminstration
“grow up and ya you have told 7-8 to times to stop interaction and still going personal and still you only come back not me or how long you keep making joke of yourself”
why personal engagement started not counting on arguments and on editing, one comment may be response why 4
if you start name calling response will be same
and ya there is no harm in accepting same if one is wrong rather than try to brand someone this or that
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January 21, 2014 at 2:25 PM
satyam : talk one to one and rater than bringing someone who in this forum has the history of insulting others or contributing anything
i have given the option of banning to you yesterday and response was clear will not tolerate absurdity and neither indulge in one ( you can keep on editing ) and ya there wasn’t anything insulting or such if an attack on abhishek bachchan or aamir khan makes you one can’t help you and don’t expect me to tolerate nonsense stuff
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January 21, 2014 at 3:16 PM
will give you a few hours to cool down and reconsider things. I’d advise you to take this opportunity.
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January 21, 2014 at 5:28 PM
Relax folks –get a ‘grip’…
‘Discipline’ your mind (& body!)…
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January 22, 2014 at 8:46 AM
since iitian arvind kejriwal love that company and called for another manohar panicker of bjp to be one here he had company from his fellow alumini:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/AAP-an-item-girl-of-politics-Chetan-Bhagat/articleshow/29202138.cms
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January 22, 2014 at 8:56 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Pressure-mounts-on-Somnath-Bharti-after-Ugandan-woman-identifies-him/articleshow/29200255.cms
this guy for whom ego satisfaction dharna was done …
did delhi police came in control or 5 sho suspended …won’t be surprised if there is a nexus between congress and them ..the same law minister hasn’t fullfilled the promises of removing corruption in dixit government
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January 22, 2014 at 1:41 PM
Interesting. Politically some think alike, and some have common favourite stars and common enemy stars.
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January 22, 2014 at 1:53 PM
AAP is providing so much comic relief and Faking News is just taking advantage of it fully. Once there used to be Laloo Prasad Yadav and now it is Arvind Kejriwal and his ministers.
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January 22, 2014 at 2:52 PM
It is going to be too much noise till Lok Sabha elections. Now we have Twitter , Facebook and all supporters online.
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January 22, 2014 at 5:33 PM
AAP seems to have retreated back into their cocoon with a seige mentality. Support from well-wishers will keep eroding with every day of Kejriwal’s U-turns and continued presence of hip-shooters such as Somnath Bharti. It is sad, this was a golden chance for strengthening of a non-corrupt movement. Kejri and his friends have approached governance without any tact or strategy. It all just unraveled in less than a month.
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January 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM
Your discalimers; “I’m not against AAP, but…” is very similar to people on the net saying;
“I supported AAP, but now not.” or
“I was going to vote for AAP, but not now….”
The point is all the above are by people who never supported AAP in the first place otherwise you wouldn’t be so fickle.
What astonishes me is this theory of anarchy being bandied around. If a CM with his ministers has to resort to dharna to get his point across it is a clear indication that there is something festering in the system.
And don’t jump on the Somnath Bharati point. One would imagine he was the first person in the history of political parties and their ministers who took law into their own hands.
He at least was doing it for the benefit of the people but botched it up while others did/are doing it for their personal good and to suppress.
It also seems people want to punish them for having called the two big parties corrupt and promising a clean government. Now right from themedia, to the opposition (naturally), to the trolls on the net they eriticize even his sneeze as if these people were blessed with the most superior governments in the world.
Let them do something really harmful – like selling the Himalayas and the bordersof the country, as well as the remaining resources (which the other parties haven’t already sold) to some ‘developing’ corporates then I would understand this venom.
Finally someone has taken on this police(politician mafia.
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January 22, 2014 at 5:59 PM
I can’t find the live vote taken by IBN 7 which had 70% vote in support. There was also the comment on another news item that mostly the so called upper/drawing room critics and babus were opposing. The general janta was in support. So don’t spread this around that AAP is losing its supporters.
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January 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM
There were polls showing 70% support on Sunday which dwindled to 25% by Tuesday. Which is the reason they meekly submitted to this silly settlement of putting 2 SHOs on leave, one of whom might actually be back due to Bharti’s idiocy.
Let me tell you, I am a fence-sitter, as I do believe in the concept and was really impressed by the speeches given by Kejriwal/Vishwas before the election. I wanted to see what they do in the next few months. But I am appalled at what they have done in just 20 days. They do not seem to have a grip, the reason for which is their inexperience. They needed to hunker down and analyze and execute policy, and focus on Delhi. Instead, they have out-stretched themselves with dreams of Lok Sabha. This will be their undoing. Panchi ke par nahi nikley, lekin udne ke josh mein hai.
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January 22, 2014 at 6:15 PM
There are hard core supporters like that of a movie star and they will see the movie irrespective of how it is. But the fate is decided by fence sitters. They listen to chatter/media. Whatever that has happened in last 3-4 days is not good for AAP. Personally I want them to grow organically with time and based on performance, instead of just harping that they are honest and rest are corrupt.
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January 23, 2014 at 4:55 AM
There’s nothing hardcore about my support for AAP. Mainly because I’m NOT politically inclined. It’s just that the aam aadmi really looks marginalised to people visiting but most others don’t even notice it. I see hope and base my support on that AND on facts.
Even looking at all this from the fence should not seem as black as those who are looking at it blindfolded.
This so called anarchy had a positive reason. Riots are anarchy. Breaking structures are anarchy. Looting and burning buses, cars, damaging property etc during a street demonstration/Dharna is anarchy.
All I can say is that most media and armchair critics have never seen anything like this before and are so confused that they are promptly trotting out the established *theories* (based on past incidences) instead of seeing for what it is.
If the metro hadn’t been closed there would have not been any traffic jams, but of course that was the way the police/government mafia handled it.
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January 23, 2014 at 7:39 AM
again factually wrong in allmost all account
jai prakash narayanan’s movement is rated as the biggest in modern independent india on which movement of anna hazare was based to ave democracy only
even laloo was credible student of law and worked under him and did many good ( all these gimmics and funness are for hardcore voters to make joke on oneself – imagine man is so intelligent that he conned some or for some big miracle or performance to think railway was doing wonders under him and came out of loss
third front government has been before and there have been prime ministers ….media agar chadhati hai to utati bhi hai
anarchy in a democracy never have valid reasons and first there should be proper ground which is non existent
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January 23, 2014 at 8:47 AM
But these movements fizzled out. Nothing happened -because at some point the aam aadmi was pushed to the background. Hope this movement stays, by involving the people.
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January 23, 2014 at 8:54 AM
my coke fizzled out to in laughter :
occupying highest post in country is not fizzling out its like jyoti basu, lalu , and many others quoting aam aadmi
picture or real life main difference hai:
in films only one get one day ka cm doing addventure (nayak) but in real life its governance
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January 23, 2014 at 9:43 AM
“To Govern” is the power lust both the parties have, and this type of governance has to change. ‘Governance’ has all kinds of ‘other’ meanings to them.
I prefer AAP’s ‘people involvement’ ways of governance, or at least the seed of it is being sown.
The concept of this is difficult to understand, and take shape in an environment where this is not understood.
How this seed sprouts and flourishes depends on the people. If it doesn’t I’ll be out of discussions and the supporters of the other two parties can have a field day while the parties hold the country to ransom.
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January 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM
concept is difficult to understand like:
the janta darbar model of someone in bihar implemented sucessfully
full electricity, water and basic amneties in gujrat(not lame freebies which to hasn’t came up on ground)
welfare schemes in mp or distribution of rice in chattisgarh
cheap petrol compared to nation in goa
governance requires time not rheotric
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January 23, 2014 at 9:57 AM
and ya even for buliding infrastructure sheila in delhi( one of the better things atleast) requires time and there is saying room was not built in a day
classic case in point jyoti kep on giving freebies in west bengal(still the cheapest metro) but it went bakwards like anything with violnce, street anarchy ( from one intellectual captal to now….enough said)
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January 23, 2014 at 4:46 AM
@Nykavi
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January 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM
This article itself says, “People support but question method”. Again, these are straw polls. Here is my take: we are not in the midst of the French or Russian Revolutions wherein a vast majority of people had no work and no food on the table, which forced all of them into the streets and brought down the existing governing systems/structure. The vast majority of Delhiites are employed and are only looking for good governance. The existing system already has the rules/regulations in place, but not an efficient governing authority to implement those rules.
Now, a person comes along promising to provide that efficiency by dint of his honesty and touted past experience. But then he turns around to say, I cannot do it myself, you need to come out on the street to help me out. He expects people to leave their daily jobs/wages (which provide food on their tables) and support him in a dharna! This is where he loses support of the masses. He is genuinely inconveniencing their daily lives which he actually needed to enhance.
Other than this past incident, his other misadventures such as Junta Darbar, forgiving electricity bills, etc. provide proof that he does not deeply strategize his actions. He seems to be shooting from the hip. No one questions his honesty or integrity. But every honest person cannot be fit for every job. Maybe he simply cannot get out of his idealistic cage and land into a world of pragmatism. No one said this was going to be easy. India is so corrupt that it makes ‘corruption enablers’ out of the most honest people. Literally, the AAP would have had to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. But that is exactly what the job demanded, and they promised they would do it. In 20 days, they got stifled with the existing machinery, raised their hands up and gave up. This is a chess match, they need to hunker down, and go about it wisely. Not the blundering way in which Somnath has approached his job and diverted the entire focus of the people.
Which is why I keep saying, what is the need to over-stretch yourself. Why send Kumar Vishwas to Amethi. Could he have not spent time in Delhi with the constituency which elected him? Why jump straight to the PM chair. First formulate an efficient governance system in Delhi, hone it up, then replicate that template to the rest of India. That will take several years, not a few days. AAP needs to step back and think, analyze.
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January 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM
>The vast majority of Delhiites are employed and are only looking for good governance.
That’s what you think. Most earn a pittance. Is that called employment?
Police harass those who want to be self employed by demanding hafta, be it the autorickshaw drivers, vendors etc
No, the people want *safety*, security from police itself, and better facilities.
Please watch the NDTV interview of AK, the link I’ve posted. Clearing up your false notions on matters of electricity etc for which you should also watch the other link which is in more detail – you’ll find both interesting, I promise you. You might not agree, but at least you’ll get your facts to then talk and discuss. As of now you’re just mouthing rhetorical stuff meted out by armchair critics and the media. Get information from the horses mouth.
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January 23, 2014 at 9:56 AM
For your convenience I’ll give you three links. Interviews are the best because it is straight from the right people to hear to rather than the news published.
This is the latest; very interesting;
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/prime-time/video-story/306251?livevideo-mostpopular
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January 23, 2014 at 10:01 AM
again factually wrong
delhi is the city of migrants who come here to earn labour not pittance to support family some in low paid to some technocrats (know what is technocrats)…
they require rozi and roti and for that requires growth (and ya even 16 out 28 aap wallah’s elected are crorepati )
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January 23, 2014 at 10:11 AM
If you own a house in Delhi (or any other big city) you automatically become a crorepati. My relatives in Delhi have houses (for ages) and are crorepatis because of that. LOL
The only one who might have assets other than a house is perhaps Shazia.
But AAP doesn’t say aam aadmi is ghareeb aadmi. It means all those suffering under the system one way or other. All those who can’t have their work done because of no ‘contacts’ or ‘approach’ or connection, or have to bribe their way through, or pay exorbitant ‘donations’ just to get your child educated…I could go on.etc
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January 23, 2014 at 10:14 AM
“Most earn a pittance. Is that called employment?”
The way to solve this is to formulate policy that sets minimum wages. I too was in India last month, and asked people around, why do you guys not accept even a $1/hr as minm wage. If you can implement it, the Indian economy will just shoot off like a rocket. Instead of that, the Cong sets Rs 30/day as poverty minimum! So, even if you want to solve this in Delhi, why not formulate legislation in the Delhi Vidhan Sabha to set minm wages for the Delhi state?
Unilaterally fixing electicity rates by not balancing the budget is not a solution. The state will go bankrupt soon. None of this was going to be done without properly formulating policy.
The reality is that it takes months of efforts to just table a bill in the Vidhan Sabha. Where is that effort taking place by the AAP? People elected them to go do things with a legislative route, not to sit in dharnas every second day. The jhadu is a great symbol, but trying to sweep garbage from one room to another, does not clean the house.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:16 AM
but ya are then contradicting yourself with random blabbering with no sense ….if such is case why pittance is required…
kejriwal is from haryana , having lived in ghaziabad( do you even know that)
if suffreing is there in systm thn systm needs to be changed with governance and if possible new law on parliament democratically not by anarchy
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January 22, 2014 at 6:28 PM
Am not aware of the details /nor I’m interested, but do feel that a ‘third option’ in national politics is good for any country (moreso something of indias size n diversity)–keeps the mainstream politics on its toes.
Aap seems to be immature/inexperienced & are trying to do too much n too soon thus ruffling too many feathers..
BUT the bottom line about this arvind guy is that he is educated, means business & is not latching onto caste/religion.
Think Oldgold has a point that he is trying to do something..
The implementation maybe hasty , immature but the intent and direction seems fine, and that is a big big plus.
Just like the well-known ‘crab mentality’ there’s no point waiting for such movements to fail. Those like Cretin bhagat will do well to write the script of yeh next three idiots to sell to aamir rather than come up with his (amusing) comment of ‘aap=item girl of politics!’ Lol
It would be a shame if this opportunity goes waste and people fool themselves by latching onto narrow myopic agendae.
These aap-like forces have a role even if they don’t come to power.
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January 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM
Bravo comment there Apex and you remain unique with your thought process and easily the blogger of this site and reason for revisiting here. Keep up your one man show and much needed balance to this Satyamworld!!
Just back from a recent trip from India and ground level support for AAP is tremendous and Kejriwal has simply taken wind out of Modi’s sail in northern belt at the moment. He is representing the real change people in India are yearning for. Congress and Rahul Gandhi are done deal but AAP may surprise Lok Sabha polls big time if they can field candidates timely in all constituencies. I don’t know about the expatriate crowd but even the ‘internet hindus’ residing in India are coming on board to this AAP bandwagon Joining AAP party online has become a ‘in’ thing among youths
With each trip to India, I see Indian corruption hitting new lows and unfortunately it’s the educated class who is fxxxing the nation more and more eating up this nation and its new drawn wealth.
This time I experienced the corruption in Indian health system and private hospitals first hand and felt disgusted with money making racket prevailing in the system and doctors act as butchers and system working like a mafia. The way money has seeped in this noble profession that I am at loss of words.
I was never a big follower of Anna and the Kejriwal movement and thought of Kejriwal as some opportunist slime ball but he seems to have connected the dots very well and now means business and hope he gets all the support he needs. In that regards kudos to Aamir for showing open support just hope AAP gets the funding to sustain this movement.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Amir showed support for AAP? Did he? I might just start liking him. LOL
Every visit to India, I come back with this idea of two worlds.
The one with money to visit the supermarkets selling exclusive products and visiting Van Heusen (or some such thing) and the other Lot of whom the former are oblivious (or insensitive) about. On the other hand the latter is very much aware of the presence of the former.
This lopsided developmnet has to be balanced.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:30 AM
a graduate who spent 7 years massively in medical education will and repeat look for returns and so do any corporate system workking on profit ….thing there is not corruption but education reforms an ya for farmer delhi imports everything no farming is there,
farming ki sensitivity or medical things other states main hai thing before going here and there
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January 23, 2014 at 12:20 PM
Rockstar it’s not the corporatization or rate of return for 7 years of investment.
It’s the corruption in the system for capital gains. Had a close relative admitted for a regular discomfort feeling. She was wrongly diagnosed and overdosed/sedated with expensive drugs just to inflate medical bills. Then the detoxification of these medicines from brain and nervous system took another 3 days but by then she caught UTI on the day of dismissal. One thing led to another and finally she was shifted to ICU where bills started to run upto 70-80k daily. On top of this we were given permission to see patient for only 30 mins in the morning and then only 15 mins in the evening and 2 people at a time. These modern hospital following Western /European style due to strict hospital policies give no access to patient. Not even spouse or blood relation (unlike US ) could stay with her.
After 19 days of cat and mouse game, the lady passed away and we were told to pay the hefty balance bills to get access to her body. Later we found out she was kept on ventilators for 3 extra days just to run heavy bills even after being dead. Further we had no idea if medications/ antibiotics billed to us were actually administered to her
If this was one of experience I would just accept this as pure bad luck but turns out, 80% of patient and visitors we talked to have similar stories. There is a medical racket among doctors/ pharmacy within the hospital complex where they just circulate the drugs and doctors make extra bucks Do you know there are murmurs never to take a patient above age 45 to these private hospitals otherwise they will invariably put u in ICU and do some procedure on you just to make money. This lady was billed Rs 40,000/ daily just for antibiotics and daily bill was running Rs 70-80k. Doctors in hospital were treated as gods and this ‘specialist’ and ‘that specialist’ but never had time to discuss her condition with us. Each specialist was giving his own medication not realizing the medications may be acting against each other.
This two tier medical system is worse than before. At least earlier we had one type of system and you had no other option but turn to govt hospitals if condition became serious but with this advent of private hospitals and nursing home , the middle class is now screwed. There are people actually selling land / property to pay medical bills as who would like his mother to die if there is a possibility if she can be saved with money..
Its far worse than what I have put up here , but the word is spreading fast and most of them getting a bad name ….let’s see where all this ends up.
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January 23, 2014 at 12:34 PM
There is an urgent need of proper regulation in medical field in India starting with admission in medical colleges.
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January 23, 2014 at 1:09 PM
Totally agree with MSD. We went through the exact same experience in 2007 at a private hospital in India. My grand-aunt had a hip replacement done. This is such a routine surgery in the US, the patients are usually out in less than a week. The hospital saw that we are NRIs, and the string of daily 50k bills started.One of my relatives who happens to be a US doc was there luckily and took the doctors to task. She literally breathed down their throats against the extreme malpractices been attempted and rescued my aunt. Unfortunately, after we came back to the US, she developed an infection at home, and was admitted again. Within 5 days she passed away, and we were beyond grief to understand how this happened.
Docs in India are extremely corrupt. I have actually seen sacks of money under beds in doc homes. There is an urgent need to reform the system out there.
In fact desi docs in the US sometimes wonder why they came here, when their own medical collegues out there in India are earning several times more. But when they see the extreme malpractice, they wonder how the Indian docs have lost all conscious. I had started telling all affluent Indians to just take a flight to the US for medical needs. They would be better served, even after footing the massive bills. At least they would not lose their lives.
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January 23, 2014 at 1:26 PM
One of the AAP candidates who won had a similar story. His wife was ill, and every time a nurse or a doctor came in to administer injection/intravenous/give medicine, she demanded money before administering any of the above.
He not being a moneyed person finally went bankrupt, wife died and he was a broken man. Then he joined AAP.
AAP did say they would work towards removing corruption in hospitals, and schools etc.
In schools they have already done something about donations. Lets see.
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January 23, 2014 at 1:27 PM
Sorry, I think it was his mother. I heard the interview some time in December when they had won.
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January 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM
ya but in case of nri’s or any middleclassfirst hunch would be go to a big private player rather than cheap government hospitals where doctors themselves run part time business and facilities are not on par… there was always a nexus between pharmacist and hospital which in india can be seen by nearby many pharmacist residing near hospital or private doctors gaining benifit…
isn’t making government hospital on par with private player won’t make it a level field or increase competitiveness
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January 23, 2014 at 10:58 AM
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/aap-an-entity-which-is-offering-something-new-aamir-khan-to-ndtv/303738
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January 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM
😀
He’s saying what I said too;
“other parties say give us your vote and we’ll govern you well, while this party says give us your vote and we’ll still not govern you, but let you do it.”
Well, well. As they say, ‘chhadhte suraj ko sab pranaam karte hain’. I’d like to know what he has to say about the present situation.
Is he going to give up immediately on AAP and suttle away or wait till the dust settles down and one sees clearly.
BJP is making hay in this artificial sunlight, and there is so much of noise by media etc.
Yes, I’d be interested in hearing his opinion.
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January 23, 2014 at 12:30 PM
Moved by Arvind Kejriwal, Bollywood actor Aamir Khan to join AAP
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January 23, 2014 at 12:37 PM
This article is written in much different tone. It is based on interview I posted above.
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January 23, 2014 at 1:21 PM
Agree with munna. He clearly said in the interview that he doesn’t want to publicly even give support to any party, let alone joining one.
This is what I mean – FACTS learned through interviews are far better than reading articles.
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January 22, 2014 at 6:32 PM
Satyams ‘obsession’ with me
Just read bits of the hectic ‘fights’ going on here-amusing stuff.
Learn ‘restraint’ & ‘maturity’ folks (from me) lol
I’m busy with some pending work but good to see how Satyam is obsessed with me and is mentioning me in a discussion in a debate rather in a thread where I’m not even there, infact ave not even commented.
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January 23, 2014 at 7:08 AM
Fed
Up with
Comrade
Kejriwal
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January 23, 2014 at 8:18 AM
Fed
Up with
Communal
Kamal
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January 23, 2014 at 9:57 PM
Frustrated
UnRashtrawadi
Commie
Keedey
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January 24, 2014 at 2:07 AM
Yes, one could go on. I wrote the previous response to show you anyone can indulge in this nonsense.
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January 23, 2014 at 8:21 AM
a proper study in gk books says kamal is so communal that it is also ” the national flower of india”
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January 23, 2014 at 8:45 AM
National Kamal is fine as opposed to communal kamal.
Kamal alone itself is beautiful.
PS: I thought you weren’t going to respond to my comments.
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January 23, 2014 at 8:51 AM
it is
call was no personal stuff but strictly on quotes
anyway jhadu and panja always go hand in hand
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January 23, 2014 at 9:45 AM
Just a note for everyone here.. this thread will be closed relatively soon.. it has about 400 comments.. a different political thread will be opened up.
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January 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM
@NyKavi;
I wrote of three links, one I’ve already posted (the latest one) and here is the link of the interview with AK with Barkha Dutt
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24×7/congress-will-soon-regret-support-to-aap-arvind-kejriwal-tells-ndtv/305854?vod-mostpopular
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January 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM
I had seen this interview. See, I do not doubt their accomplishments, but disagree with some of their actions. Eg, the subsidies he doles out, which can just be budget busters. He is candid, no doubt, and very eloquent in stating out his positions. But then, the dharna was a fiasco. So its sputters like these which make me believe that with the Lok Sabha decisions he is taken on more than he can handle .
A relative in Jaipur recently mentioned how he was hounded by the IT dept there, made to pay lakhs every year due to their threats. One day he decided to not pay, so they promptly seized his accounts and emptied out 50lakhs! He went to court, and once again the same ghoos-khori started for his case to be opened. Totally disheartened, threw in his lot with the AAP. He stated that even the BJP with two-third majority in Rajasthan will not change this corruption. So he is totally in with the AAP and has been asking everyone to join. He says that the AAP will indeed bring about a revolution, provided they field the proper candidates everywhere. He is worried that in their rush for expansion, they will let in many fakers who will eventually tarnish the party. The media scrutiny will be harsh if unsavory elements get in to the party and cause more embarrassment.
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January 23, 2014 at 2:10 PM
I’ve been following AAP minutely from much before the elections, and this story about your relative is a common thread among most AAP members. Most have joined in due to disillusionment, like that MLA who had the hospital expreience.
I hope people will not give up so easily and so soon. At the moment what is dominating is the racial element, the ‘law breaking (?), theexploitation by BJP etc
Later when the media finds other interests it will be realised that at least ;
-here a man listened to the people who voted for him.
-The people could *approach* him.
-He acted immediately at a late hour at night
Now ‘how’ he went about it has to be improved upon. But isn’t the points mentioned something good, and what AAP promised?
Discussion behind closed doors about the demand of AAP re: SHOs would have gone unheard of. Today the people know what went on (whether they approve or not).
I’m all for this openness.
Slowly even the people will learn how to handle this openness of a government.
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January 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM
But you do have to understand that a lot of what AAP is doing in Delhi has already been done in other states. There is a reason Modi keeps harping on the development record. Much as you hate him, you have to concede that Gujjus are not mad to elect him three times. So on a national level, Kejriwal still has to take some time to spread the model. The timing of these elections have caused all the chaos. Had Lok Sabha elections been after a year, the AAP would have emerged mightily. (Or perhaps the Cong would not have let AAP survive that long).
So again, he really needs to consolidate Delhi and surrounding areas. He should not get carried away and commit blunders.
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January 23, 2014 at 3:34 PM
>Gujjus are not mad to elect him three times.
LOL congress was elected 3 times in a row in Delhi.
It means nothing.
It just means there was no attractive alternative.
Which brings me to the point that AAP *has* to stand for as many LS seats as possible. It’s not as if AAP from Delhi is going to struggle all over India. It’s the AAP units of that area which are going to be working.
An alternative has to be provided to the voter to make elections healthy otherwise it is a sick one with no choice except a Modi, or a Rahul. People like me who don’t want congress because of their scams or a Modi because I associate him with riots and BJP also has scams, what should one do? So AAP would be a good choice for people who want to come out of the muck of BJP/Congress.
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January 23, 2014 at 8:17 PM
india has history of alternatives and in case regional parties and ya without prejudice there are many who think shela has done decent but has to pay heavy price for congress misdeeds in delhi….case in point infrastructure and metro
and let me say unless and until a part with majority or close to it won’t come to centre there will be weak governments(coalition one) which will always lead to policy paralysis
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January 23, 2014 at 10:04 AM
You keep posting links to articles written by people who don’t support this. There are articles of people who support this. If I want I could flood the page with these articles, but that’s not productive.
Listen to the people themselves and hear what they have to say, and then give the opiniopn.
We can’t carry out discussions with other peole’s opinion.
Giving that newspaper link was also something I normally don’t do. Even they write what they want to.
So the best thing is to listen to debates and interviews which help you to keep up with the facts – to some extent.
So here’s the very first interview of AK (few days ago) with Sardesai. Barkha’s is the same, but with some differences.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kejriwal-attacks-delhi-police-calls-kiran-bedi-a-modi-supporter/446275-3-244.html
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January 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM
what is supporting and not supporting
we can’t carry discussion with other people’s opinion but keep on taking on as gospel
some things are intentionally funny
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January 23, 2014 at 10:14 AM
What I mean is you can’t link to an article supporting your view based on (??) because both sides can do that. But if you hear the FACTS from the horses mouth and then give your opinion, it helps. At least I’m not trying to analyse and refute somebody’s opinion who isn’t even on this page.
It’s also very time consuming.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:18 AM
We would be discussing not what the article thinks is the truth, but what we hear from the people in question.
NyKavi comes up with so many things which is the opposite of what the party spokesman say.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:19 AM
you don’t mean anything but randomly goes on here and there and its absurdity
which are the horses mouth, if suppose lalu says his raj was not jungle raj do you think people in bihar will listen, people look for implementation and things on ground rather than quotes from horses mouth…lt it be any leader
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January 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM
Yes, if Lalu says his raj wasn’t jungle Raj it doesn’t end there. you’ll hear the interviewer corner him and how he tackles gives you the impression of the whole thing instead of reading it somewhere.
The expressions formed from the person under discussion , his body language, his demeanour helps much.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:28 AM
Otherwise it is propoganda when all one does is give links to other peopl’s opinion.
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January 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM
its amusing to see very quicky you say something as propaganda but never able to hit the mark or even defend yourself with facts
governance doesn’t come with discussion but with administration….think before tying anything
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January 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM
OK.
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January 23, 2014 at 4:37 PM
“Bravo comment there Apex and you remain unique with your thought process and easily the blogger of this site and reason for revisiting here. Keep up your one man show and much needed balance to this Satyamworld!!”
@ MSDhoni–thanks & u also make some v good points above esp on such a ‘st/health’ system…
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January 23, 2014 at 5:34 PM
“Even as the administration claimed it had acted promptly, more gruesome details emerged. Villagers told TOI on Thursday that after the kangaroo court ordered her to be sexually savaged, the woman was placed on a raised bamboo platform so that the gang-rape was viewed by the entire village, children included.
“If the family does not pay up, go and enjoy yourselves,” is what headman and now prime accused Boloi Murdy allegedly told the men. ”
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/West-Bengal-Gang-raped-on-a-platform-for-the-village-to-see/articleshow/29268518.cms
WHAT ???
& people going after aap & kejriwal for trying to punish the corrupt (albeit in a hasty inexperienced manner?)
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January 24, 2014 at 2:16 AM
And women activists not collecting signatures for action against such a system.
I don’t know which incidence was more humiliating to women.
Oh, sorry, she’s Indian and of course that doesn’t give any opportunity of showing you aren’t racial.
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January 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM
in enthusism one can say many things but things again has to be lot be perspective:
bengal has 30 years of communist rule and now with a women chief minister who herself is known for some other views …yahan kejri or anyone kya karega when some women themselves are accusing law minister for checking out women’s private parts ….
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January 23, 2014 at 8:23 PM
and the state mentioned is the classical example of giving freebies by commies , with regular dharna ( it is still the cheapest metro in india out of 4 ) and at times violence during elections and look where it has resided once from being political and intellectual capital of india… it is governance
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January 23, 2014 at 9:53 PM
Understanding Arvind Kejriwal
http://www.one.in/hindu-op-eds/understanding-arvind-kejriwal-1085179.html
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January 24, 2014 at 2:11 AM
*groan*
Another opinion post. As I said in another comment I could flood this page with positive opinion. Here’s an example;
http://hillpost.in/2014/01/kejriwals-delhi-dharna-this-is-not-anarchy-mr-home-minister-this-is-revolution/97741/
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January 24, 2014 at 2:13 AM
…or news with picture;
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/muzaffarnagar-riots-accused-are-guests-of-honour-at-narendra-modi-mulayam-singh-rallies-449175
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