Dhoom 3 trailers (updated)










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  1. thecooldude Says:

    So D3 has taken Christmas 2013 which means summer 2014 for P.K.

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    • yes that has been clear for a while. The Talaash delay affected D3 which in turn has impacted the Hirani. It’s a pity though that one will have to wait so much longer for the next Hirani.

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  2. Every initial number should be easily surpassed here. The only question is trending.

    Salman will of course have a release or two before then but I think that with him ETT is probably the best possible result. The kinds of films he does he will either have an incredible initial (ETT) with poor follow-through or he’ll have just an extraordinary (!) initial with decent follow-through. Either way a truly record-breaking gross, after making all the adjustments, is unlikely. ETT really underlined this factor. It fell short of 3I by 10 crores or so almost three years after that film. Or put different where an 80 crore week 1 led to 105 for 3I here a number close to double that led to a final gross less than it.

    Ultimately you do need good films to sustain. No matter who you are. And here it’s noteworthy that Dabanng itself didn’t double its initial let alone anything else. And so D3 has the best chance to get in the biggest possible numbers going in and sustaining these decently (though the latter is not a given). Hirani can do the latter but his films are not the sort that have the absolutely biggest numbers on day 1. Not that this matters very much in the long run.

    Salman nonetheless proves a point that many partisans had argued against for years. whenever the talk was of Bachchan putting up extraordinary numbers the response was that times were different. of course the absurdity of this claim began with the fact that no one other than Bachchan was doing it even in that age! But leaving this aside the Salman run, extraordinary by any standard, certainly in terms of pulling this initial, proves how it can be done even today.

    Now I had argued earlier that Hrithik certainly could have done a couple of stunt-action films every year and produced these sorts of numbers. SRK at his peak could have had two like KKHH every year. and so on. However there is a problem with this. On the one hand it is false to suggest that Salman in a ‘better’ film could do a lot more if he’s proved so much in nothing films. These ‘nothing’ films are really what the fans want from him. This ‘is’ what they associate with him. His entire persona goes well precisely with the nothing film! If you had a better narrative the film wouldn’t necessarily do better. On the other hand because he depends on very disposable cinema he can keep repeating it. With Hrithik on the other hand there’s no evidence that he could do hugely well in a nothing film. Every one of his big grossers is either one directed by his father or a multi-starrer Dhoom sequel or a multi-starrer Agneepath remake (which trended poorly). We have Kites on the other hand. Similarly with SRK no genre hit of his really matched KKHH after this film without exception. Even leaving aside genre no film matches that total. Now this isn’t an unfair comparison because KKHH wasn’t a DDLJ kind of grosser either (Aamir grosser as much or more with RH and assuredly sold a lot more tickets than KKHH with this). So again the point here is that SRK too needed a real quality product (for that base) to really hit it out of the park.

    And the reason why the Salman model though still closer to what one associates with ‘superstardom’ (the authentic kind) is ultimately quite distant from it is for two reasons. One can be the Rajnikant kind of megastar who not only gets the initials but also the hits (which is to say maintains a certain trending) even when he is not considered the best actor among his peers and is otherwise the iconic ‘summa’ of his age or else there is is the even rarer Bachchan model (we see these with the two Ms of Malayalam cinema.. versus the Tamil ‘twin’ model where the great megastar is opposed to the great star-actor or MGR v Sivaji,, sometimes a trio with Gemini.. or Rajni v Kamal) where the greatest star and the greatest actor are twinned (Dilip Kumar represented a similar paradigm though the box office story was very different then and he too was part of a trio) and such a star is very credible doing better narratives as well as more ‘disposable’ films. Of course one must be careful even with the latter. Because while Bachchan (or Rajni) did a lot of seemingly nothing films actually all of those had a certain political charge. They weren’t just about masala gesturality that operated on the surface. Even the worst of those films were always embedded within certain authentic contexts.

    Zizek makes the wonderful point somewhere (I won’t recap all the contexts here) about how when video games are designed there are certain elements (usually background ones) that are not really part of the game (you don’t have to actively use those elements to play the game.. in other words if you’re in a dungeon where there are lots of clues and you have to find some to get out there are some elements of this room that you actually end up using while the others are just there for the ‘ambience’.. hence there might be a wall at the back that doesn’t do anything..) that are programmed in very basic ways. The code used for these doesn’t operate at the same level of sophistication as that used for the more ‘active’ parts of the game. Using this idea it seems to me that contemporary masala (barring examples like Khakee or Ghajini and maybe a few others) works in a similar way. You have a lot of the elements of masala, some of the themes et al, but these work in a cartoon-like way. There is nothing ‘irreparable’ that happens in these films. Even crises where people die is simply part of the overall surface effect of these works. Telugu cinema mastered this format (not surprisingly almost all of the Hindi remakes have Telugu sources), it’s certainly evident in Tamil too but the latter does a lot of much more authentic stuff as well. But in any case this is the dominant mode of Hindi masala. This is why contemporary multiplex audiences lap it up. Because the pseudo-masala moves don’t disturb anyone. But also in the so-called smaller centers where people are starved of such genres after years of Yashraj and the like they show up in a big way for these films but even in these centers the films don’t sustain that hugely or sometimes not even that well at all. Because the multiplex audience is happy with the (non)politics but finds the narrative dissatisfying. For a smaller center audience the authenticity is missing even if the film might superficially please them otherwise. Put differently ‘catharsis’ is absent from these works.

    I keep obsessing over this point but there’s a reason why none of these films have come even close to matching Ghajini’s trending. For the purposes of this argument Ghajini has always seemed to be the key film to me far more than 3I. Everyone loved the latter, lots of people saw it multiple times, many more than twice. It’s gross isn’t surprising (in this sense) given how universally loved it was. Ghajini was liked but not everyone loved it. However it doubled its initial which seemed pretty good at the time and now seems astonishing given how everything else has done. Whether one likes the film or not (and I have always said that it’s a far better film for its Hindi contexts than for its Tamil ones) it was a true effort. It had a certain resonance. There was genuine loss in the film. And so on.

    Ultimately this isn’t about a film satisfying my definitions of masala. First off I have never argued for simple repetition of the 70s or something. But that’s a different discussion. The larger point is that even this very contemporary audience that is otherwise excited by these films to show up in big numbers is clearly not satisfied enough to return or to recommend the same films highly to others.

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    • “Even crises where people die is simply part of the overall surface effect of these works”-

      Superb note and your above line is so right. Rowdy Rathore is a perfect example of this. One of the doubles, in a very violent sequence, dies right before intermission but the narrative carries on as if nothing has happened. Not sure why do these makers need to hurry things so much. And now contrast this with Akshay’s death in Khaaki, Aamir in Ghajini and Abhishek in DMD (from the olden days the best examples I can think of are the deaths involving Sunil Dutt and Mazhar Khan in Shaan). And these neo-masala films are too short (duration wise) hence even some of the more cathartic elements do not register their impact. (actually while watching those old masala films i usually used to feel that the duration of a death-sequence of a character was relative to his/her ‘importance’ to the narrative)

      Btw I thought Suriya’s death scene in Pithamagan was well done

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      • ****Not sure why do these makers need to hurry things so much.***

        Well Saurabh, it is pretty simple: the motto here is..”jaldi jaldi 100 crore jeb mein dalalo aur bhago yaar..agle hafte aur ek 100 crore wali pic release hone wali hain..jyaada waqt nahin hain..”

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        • ROFL. So true. But I also think that the way ‘deaths’ or ‘loss’ is instantly forgotten by the characters and the narratives of these neo- masala films is somewhere reflective of the dark age we are living in where we are supposed to quickly ‘move-on’ after a bombing or a terrorist attack.

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      • yes that was one of the film’s many effective moments.. the moment later with the skull and Vikram crying was even more remarkable. A Hamlet-like resonance here.

        Khakee, Ghajini, DMD offer interesting contrasts in terms of how one might negotiate the legacy at this late date. With Khakee you have a ‘modernization’ and political re-investment of the genre. This is the sort of move that is often performed in Tamil films as well where aesthetically these are cutting edge contemporary films but also works that offer socio-political commentaries. This is essentially the ‘update’ option.

        Next you have with Ghajini the resonance of certain masala tropes embedded within a Hollywood framework. Masala in the guise of the realist Hollywood thriller (here of course both films are completely different from Memento even if that obvious plot device is imported).

        DMD eschews both paths. In a sense this film is truest to its moment. There is no hedging here as with Ghajini nor is there the earnestness of Khakee (I don’t intend either characterization as negative). The DMD message in this context is — it is simply too late for those epic masala gestures. So Khakee from this perspective is a very fine, even extraordinary commercial film but there is no longer that world within which its gestures make complete sense. There is a mismatch of sorts.

        With Ghajini similarly if masala becomes about a plausible narrative where all the genre’s moves/gestures et al are completely explainable within this realist-thriller format you lose once again the epic scale.

        So DMD, if it read as commentary on this tradition, offers a rather pessimistic conclusion. That it is not possible to resuscitate the genre because the gods if you will have fled! Here Abhishek dying in RGV-like fashion again makes sense. The death has no greater meaning and if he’s a specter throughout the film it’s because he belongs to that masala hero genealogy but he’s in the wrong world! His death is then the logical consequence, this new world depends on his ‘vanishing’. This is the exact inverse of the Khakee worldview (not coincidentally the father in one, the son in the other.. the gap between the two films and their worlds is precisely that between father and son.. this is what people have been unable to come to terms with, including fans of the latter.. those who think Abhishek should be doing synthetic masala like the other stars completely miss the point..).

        RGV in his own way represents this dynamic in his career. A film like Satya seems too romantic after some of the later stuff. Much as in a world without those epic registers even gods become monsters. Because they too are out of place. They have to make up for the loss of transcendence by filling in all the empty spaces themselves. This is the ‘desperate’ wager of the Sarkar films. And if RGV nonetheless fixates over Abhishek (he has offered him far more films than the latter has done) it is because there is still a lot that is interesting in this ‘twilight’ period when the gods have vanished! All of this sounds hopelessly romantic, I know, but it is so by design!

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        • This was a very instructive note to the say the least Satyam. Thanks!

          The biggest thing which nags me regarding these neo-masala films has been the complete lack of any political/social charge in them. I mean even a film like Ajith’s Citizen had a very moving social tragedy at its core (the massacre and the town being wiped off the map). I mean is Citizen too high a bar for these Masala films.

          The other thing which is conspicuous by its absence in these films is any kind of unique vision ; on the other hand I have always felt that for instance the seed of the frustrated Vijay Dinanath Chauhan was sown by Salim Javed in the character arcs of Vijay of Deewar/Zanjeer itself- they had already somewhere envisioned that considering the social and political circumstances around it was only natural that Vijay Verma would soon lose hope and turn into an even more angry and frustrated Vijay Chauhan (and this can be extended to Khakee where Bachchan is probably now not sure of his masculinity and tries to force it upon people- the belt-lashings he gives to Ajay Angre in the climax is one such example. And again to tie it with your DMD point that the Angry Young Man can no more belong to today’s world, this might just be the reason why it is Tusshar and not Bachchan who gets to kill Devgn)

          And on ‘spectres’, in Barot’s Don the scene where the wounded Don is suddenly shown sitting behind Ifthikar in the car- that image of Don was like a spectre itself. As if he was already dead yet present somewhere as a haunted figure. And compare this with the new version where Farhan makes a ‘failed’ attempt to resurrect Don in that absolutely ridiculous climax. You simply cannot recreate the past!

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    • And loved the Zizek reference- those ‘false’ clues in the games are like those inauthentic deaths, the ones like Dimple’s in Dabangg.

      And coming to video games, the recently released animation film Wreck It Ralph is a must watch- the entire arcade-game feel is so bloody nostalgic

      Btw the Willis films has not even gotten a theatrical release (was myself searching for it). Wish Willis does more films like Looper

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  3. this is a totally insipid and unimpressive logo…better not to rush and come out with anything stupid like this for a film like D3.

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  4. Agree raju unique-what a meh boring logo!!

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  5. dont know whats wrong with this logo looks fine to me .

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  6. It’s absurd to release this, but then YRF knows this film is going to bring in more BO bank than anything they’ve released in ages, including ETT. Fair enough to start the promotional campaign this early and with this little.

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  7. in a lighter vein – some one like Kamaal Khan (KRK) can play a fast one on YRF by producing Doom 3 or any such film doing a parody Dhoom series in betn 😉

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  8. Irrespective of what the logo or even the actual film is like, this one will be the biggest grosser. Dhoom 3 was forever awaited even before it was known whether it would be made or not. So many fan made videos, speculation threads on forums since last 6 years!

    I guess if ETT could get so close to 3I total then it shouldn’t be much difficult for this one to come close or even get past 3I…

    YRF announced it in 2011, flooded media with D3 shooting pics/details in 2012 and now released logo a year in advance. The unprecedented hype & huge starcast will bring extraordinary numbers for sure even if film is not loved.

    I just hope comparisons with previous Dhoom films don’t affect this one! D2 was ahead of Dhoom in every respect. D3 must be better than D2 – stars, music – everything!

    I don’t think any other film of 2013 can compete with D3.

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    • I agree, I think that Dhoom 3 will be the biggest film of 2013, easily. It’s the latest film in the most successful Bollywood franchise, stars Aamir and Kat, and is bound to be a very commercially safe, crowd pleasing film. In terms of BO potential, what more could one ask for?

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      • I disagree a bit. I think Krrish 3 will be the biggest

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        • seriously? ppl care about krish 3? i never even saw the second one. koi mil gaya was pretty mediocre itself.

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          • There’s a difference & a gap between hritik Roshan and meena kumari–jokes apart, it’s not a question of what u or even me feel about krish
            But what the overall viewing paying public feels that gets translated into box office returns
            Forget about the actual collections–this ‘anticipation’ or expectation that krish will compete with or break dhoom3 PROVES what people think of HRs pull in their minds!
            As someone rightly pointed out—
            One may or may not like the new agneepath
            One may /may not like HR in agneepath esp in comparison to the gold standard bachchans performance
            But the crucial difference was that even in that violent gory film (whose ‘original’ was a back breaking flop inspite of the eventual cult status) was taken to box office glory by HR
            hence, HR has to be considered in the top slot (just below Salman as pf now)
            As for aamir–talaashs moderate success on the box office raises some questions that dhoom3 eventual impending success may not answer 🙂

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    • there is krish 3 prateek, you are forgetting it 🙂

      I think krish 3 would first cross 3 I and then D3. The next big films would be OUATIM2 which is releasing for eid/independence day weekend and chennai express.

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  9. but 1 year is a too long time i guess….they wud release the film in 5000 screens (with shows starting at 4 am 😉 ) on first few days 🙂 and the BO will look like:

    1st day – 35 cr
    2nd day – 35 cr
    3rd day – 40 cr (sat)
    4th day – 45 cr (sun)
    and so on…..:-)

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    • Poora ek saal tak intezaar karna padega.

      Why dont Aamir change his name to Intezaar?

      The logo is intriguing and there will be more to come.

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      • Intezaar Khan…hmmmm …sounds nice 🙂
        Let aamir fall in love with another AD now – and then we can expect another brother to Azad Khan – name it Inte….;-)
        I think he is the only bw celebrity who is carrying off the second wedding in a dignified way (without any dirty linen wash in public)

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  10. haha–what about the London one( theres a kid girl as well) think the name of the journalist is Jessica Hines 🙂

    “I think krish 3 would first cross 3 I and then D3”
    THIS view shows the box office standing of hritik Roshan
    Whether krish3 will break d3 or not or even do 200 remains to be seen– but the fact that his solo franchise is being considered capable of breaking the biggest franchise in Bollywood ever ( dhoom3) is indicative of the fact that when HR strikes– he can outgun everyone
    One can say its todo with filmkraft and the krish franchise.
    But which actor ( besides the director rakesh roshan) has made filmkraft bad krish what it is
    Unlike dhoom which benefits from different villuans, heroines and the works — krish IS hritik Roshan !!!
    Time folks acknowledge his standing ….& don’t try to deny/ deconstruct it
    And comparisons to abhishrek hahaha

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    • You got that wrong or may be I should have put it more clearly.

      Krish 3 is releasing first for Diwali and then D3 releases for Christmas. So what I meant was Krish 3 will break 3 I record and there is nothing to be seen here IT WILL break and then D3 would beat K3’s number.

      People will see Diwali next year why the festival has been given such importance by bollywood trade over the years and how for the past few years films have been under performing for Diwali 🙂

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  11. Hopefully someone will sue Aditya Chopra for being ‘inspired’ from Star Wars’ opening crawl..

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  12. Saurabh- you think that Krrish 3 is going to be the biggest hit, really? I would think that the Krrish sort of ‘home made hero with a hear of gold’ film would appear dated in today’s DOn/ Ra.One/ Agent Vinod world.

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    • Oh I am 200% sure that it will do more than 200 Cr if decently made. The thing is a superhero genre is one of the most likely ones to produce a blockbuster anywhere in the world. And ‘the home made hero’ is exactly where Krrish and Rakesh Roshan score and where AV failed- one needs to indianize these things to make it a blockbuster.

      I loved Krrish btw. So its sequel, Race 2 and Satyagraha are some of my awaited mills next year

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      • “And ‘the home made hero’ is exactly where Krrish and Rakesh Roshan score and where AV failed- one needs to indianize these things to make it a blockbuster”

        You have a point here. I just think that this might not be ‘cool’ enough to attract the mutliplex audience today. I liked Krrish a lot as well, it’s one of my guilty pleasures.

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        • Well I try and see everything from this genre (even if it’s b-grade. The same goes for action films. The only Satyam is currently watching is still to be seen by me). And I know it is subjective but I do not think Krrish should be called a guilty pleasure. For example I hardly like DDLJ but even I would have liked it I would have hardly called it a guilty pleasure. To mind that term should be used for something which is low-brow- some of Jeetendra south remakes fit the bill

          Btw not trying to argue, just giving my thoughts

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          • And since we are on the topic, for me the term ‘guilty pleasure’ does not exist. Because I am not all feeling guilty while I watch a Van Damme film.

            I oppose this term because I have seen it being used quite exclusively for films of certain genres which are mainly action, horror, superhero, slapstick comedies etc. Many folks use this term to make fun of such genres

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          • Actually, I think that this term is most used in the case of rom-coms, hence the condescending term ‘chick flick’ for the genre. It’s almost never used in the case of action movies which are always a major, highly-anticipated event, regardless of how silly they might be. (I’m talking about Hollywood here).

            Personally, I used the term in reference to Krrish because I thought the film was very silly yet immensely enjoyable. I would also use the term for rom-coms that I had a similar reaction to such as EMAET. You can’t really compare Krrish to DDLJ, because DDLJ is a classic.

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        • Ami most of Willis and Stallone (leave alone Seagal or JCVD) actioners are called as guilty pleasures by people. The same goes for most action films today- a great example would be Dredd 3d. I am slightly surprised that U say otherwise. Actually if U will go back and check the history action and even horror were looked down upon (unless a Hitchcock or a Friedkin did it). Even noir was not spared

          Do agree with U on chick flicks

          As far as I remember U once called DDLJ a guilty pleasure yourself

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        • The funny thing is that as soon as Western was attached to a hwood actioner it suddenly became all high class.

          And check out how many hwood action-thrillers have been nominated for any ‘top award’ at the Oscars. Hardly any. Intact if am not wrong The Fugitive was the last such film to be nominated for Best Picture in 94 I guess (not counting Inception since it was sci-fi)

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  13. When people say that since D2 outgrossed Krrish they need to remember that D2 also starred Hrithik who was coming of a career high in the form of Krissh. So it’s not given that without HR D3 will do more than K3..

    And it has been seen even in hwood that a decently made superhero film has the potential to outgross films from most other genres

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    • Actually here’s what’s common to Krrish and D2. Both sequels to hits! One even a multi-starrer! As I’ve said before if you factor in Filmkraft Hrithik’s never had a huge grosser in any other circumstance. Except…. with Agneepath (faded quickly after a big initial.. it wasn’t at all like the three Filmkraft films or D2) which again was a multistarrer but more importantly was a remake to a film which even if it underperformed initially has huge cult status by now and is ‘bigger’ than many of Bachchan’s hits. So find me a huge Hrithik grosser in any commercial genre that doesn’t have Filmkraft attached to it and/or doesn’t have the sequel/remake frills!

      Note how Hrithik being a huge star almost from the very first moment pretty much actually does him discredit in the context of this argument. Because he had plenty of commercial stuff after KNPH in very safe genres. But he also had Kites recently. He precisely has never done an Aamir or a Salman (at each end of the spectrum). I’ve expanded on this before but this is not at all coincidental. And notice how he (and many of his fans) have always been into this ‘promotion’ theory with him. ‘Oh he’s next in line after SRK’! Well then there was Aamir, now there’s even Salman. Hrithik is still supposed to be getting there to become the topmost star. In the meantime more than a decade has passed since his first release and once again since he was an instant star he has no excuse! There are no ‘promotions’ in an industry. You are either at the very top or you’re not. You can certainly be in position to get to the top but not continually for more than a decade!

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      • When HR fires, he outguns everyone including ALL the khans
        🙂
        yeah hes made mistakes and has had issues but lets not deconstruct his standing
        Its now the dhoom3 franchise( that incidentally has HR invested it in a big way and other heroes/heroines like kat and YRF)
        Versus solo hritik

        as for filmkraft/krish–whats it without hritik
        find me ONE hero who can pplay krish convincingly
        srk? aamir? ranbir? abhishrek or imran ? 🙂

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        • agree that HR has taken too many breaks and the volume of work isnt enuf
          plus the ‘favored’ genre
          But other than the khans, NOBODY can achieve the ‘PEAKS’ that he can when he fires!
          also bear in mind–hes been in action for atlreast a decade less than the khans–u cant compare them like to like (yet)

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        • “When HR fires, he outguns everyone including ALL the khans :-)’

          really? So Agneepath didn’t even do a Ghajini let alone a 3I?! It didn’t even do an ETT (Very big initial, quick fade)! Not that evidence has ever been one of your concerns!

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          • HR is in a very safe zone as he has given BB/SH films like KNPH, K, K2, KMG, AP, JA, ZNMD, MK. Part of K3G – which was a bo hit. His performance in Lakshya and Guzaarish were critically acclaimed. He has K3 and Paani – both BB materials. the man has been very slow but on sure grounds. Comparisons with khans is a tricky thing here – let him spend another 10 years in the industry and then we can compare him. But he is far ahead of Abhi, Shahid, Devgn (satyam has a point that he hasn’t given any solo BB/SH except for his debt film and singham), vivek etc.

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      • Agreed Satyam but U are missing my point. What I meant was that since Krrish had released right before D2 Hrithik was hot and this benefitted D2 a great deal. Btw even after accounting for inflation D1’s (which did not have Hrithik) gross would be nowhere near to its sequel (i am sure that it would not have made half as much without him inspite of it being a sequel). Finally I would say that in certain genres like Dhoom ones Hrithik is a bigger BO pull than Aamir and I can bet that if Hrithik would be there in D3 instead of Aamir it would make more money than what it is eventually going to make

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        • agree there..
          d3 with HR wouldve been +15-20 % (atleast)
          in addition the ‘superhero’ genre–hritik has a certain ‘star presence’
          not with ANY other current heros!
          Note this cheesy song with subpar styling–but HR shines through (for me) and totally eclipses PC here


          The man destined to be a star-hero(sorry an jo)–enjoy n gud nite
          Koi tumsa nahin! 🙂

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          • ***The man destined to be a star-hero(sorry an jo)***

            No, I have no problem at all. You have just stated what I had always said! I don’t care if you call him greater than Michael Jackson. It is when you or anybody starts commenting on the great ‘actor’ part of him that I have a problem!!

            So, as Dirty Harry say, ‘ Go ahead, make my day!’ Anoint him a phenomenon greater than Haley’s comet..But when you start calling him a great actor, that’s when I have bones to pick with..and I have hell a lot of bones in my bag to prove that he is a very very average actor..

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        • Saurabh, since all the other stars including Salman with his extraordinary initial at this point haven’t been able to surpass 3I (or Ghajini adjusted for inflation) despite doing sequels and remakes and what not the idea that Aamir isn’t getting the credit he deserves is more than a little bizarre.

          As for Dhoom well the first one did about 30 crores, the second one did 80-85 two years later. Big jump? Sure. But Guru, hardly the most crowd-pleasing of genres, did 50 a couple of months after D2. LRM did 70 the same year as D2. Looking at all these numbers it’s clear that the market was there for the right film. Much as the market was there for a Ghajini but no star was capitalizing on it. When D2 released I said it could have done a 100 had it been a better film. I still maintain this. You really have to look at everything.

          Here’s the thing that people find it hard to get their heads around — a star can be very big and STILL profit from a big banner and co-stars and so on. the D3 initially won’t be entirely Aamir’s. But this applies to every star. Because a big star can get an initial in most commercial projects does not at all mean that he can get the very same kind of initial. Forget everything else, Hrithik in ZNMD got only the initial that Imran Khan got in MBKD (Katrina common to both). This in a very multiplex-friendly genre. Ranbir got a bigger one in Rockstar. The JA initial was weak. The Guzaarish initial was non-existent. These aren’t strength genres for Hrithik of course but the point is that in all these films Aamir would have got a much bigger initial because he simply has more credibility. We just saw this. Talaash opened more or less like Don 2 and ready! This side of the equation is never examined by anyone. But even in absolute terms where’s the film that’s crossing 3I even three years after release and with a lot more prints and so forth?! So the burden isn’t on Aamir to prove anything. And again the top star nonetheless benefits from these frills as every other star does.

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  14. Ok folks-hritik-katrinas knight n day remake titled “bang bang”
    really like HR
    i liked Krish and am looking forward to krish 3 due to HR!
    lets see–maybe my next spoof–krish3 or ‘bang bang”
    🙂

    http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/30/201212252012122501261764459f8b8c1/Back-with-Bang-Bang.html

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    • Bang Bang? Are they making an xxx rated movie or what? Well with Mr. Roshan’s extra thumb ‘acting’ experience and Katrina’s sis Isabelle’s MMS experience, you never know!!

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      • haha ann–yeah thats exactly the idea with ‘bang bang’!
        apprently the ‘official reason’ Is supposed to be kill bills OST
        “Katrina’s sis Isabelle’s MMS experience”–Hmm so she has a sis as well and whats this mms–im ignorant on this..seems uve done the research–u may share the abstract/conclusion ha
        gud nite

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        • In the Indian market, MMS is supposed to be multi-media service; a low-resolution making-out/fornication video shot on cell-phone cameras most of the time without the consent of the lady..or maybe drugged..or maybe willfully foolishly..whatever..

          Not very similar but surely comparable to the ‘official’ release of sex-videos of women trying to be actresses in the west..the gold standards include Pammy Anderson’s, Paris ‘dumb’elle Hilton’s, reality-show uncrowned trash-queen Kim Kardashian’s..

          There is a hilarious story to these ‘dumb’elles of the west regarding the release of such videos by themselves in the market for publicity and then feigning ignorance. One such lady got a taste of her own medicine. She apparently went to sell her sex-tape her b/f and her recorded to some web-site. The guy there checked in his database and apparently the video was already floating around on the net! Her b/f had already sold the video and had deposited half of the ‘proceeds’ into her account..and the ‘dumb’belle thought she was richer by that amount coz of ‘interest’ rates!!!

          I do not wish to take her name so that I do not insult her intelligence…

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          • Hahaha Ann– thanx will tackle this info later …maybe 2morro!
            2much other ‘work’ stuff on my plate as of now.
            Ps: if we have our way–we will transform satyams blog ha

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  15. Btw when is Abhishek going to get his 1st solo 100cr grosser. Salman, Hrithik, Devgn, Akshay, SRK and even Ranbir has already got them and save Ranbir each one is assured to add to their tally this yr. Dutt might also join them with Saamy Remake. So where is the crown prince who was solely responsible for BB’s success according to some

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    • As a Devgan fan are you really in a position to start counting when every star got his first 100 crore film?! I actually think there’s a completely plausible argument that Devgan doesn’t have a truly solid all-India hit between Phool aur Kaante and Singham. And I’m not forgetting anything. I know all about his plus films. Even HDDCS wasn’t a true hit everywhere. Again not saying this to run down your favorite star but I think one should be careful before launching these throwaway lines.

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      • I think after Ghajini the second film to cross the 100 cr mark was devgn’s golmaal film. I remember it because back then devgn fans in some forums (yes there are :P) had a huge laugh about it cause fans of every other star were expecting to get to the figure before him.

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      • Well there was an Ishq as well as Pyaar To Hona Hi Tha. OUATIM was a very solid hit. Of course as SimplyRDB pointed below his G3 was the third film to touch the 100cr mark though it was not a solo.

        But leaving aside all of this Abhishek does not even a Phool Aur Kaante like breakout moment in his entire career as far as fan frenzy is concerned.

        And I was not trying to launch a throwaway line. I only said so since according to you Hrithik has not truly ‘arrived’ I wonder when is Abhishek going to arrive.

        Finally it’s time people start recognising Devgn’s commercial standing- I mean this guy has had 4 100 Cr grossers already (an in case u have forgotten i once had a discussion with u where u had raised doubts over SOS getting to 100). And remarkably most of these films have trended well. Himmatwala is next yr and inspite of Jha’s recent failures there is a decent chance that Satyagraha might go the Rajneeti way (i say this because the film deals with a topical issue and i am somehow positive that it will be a much better film than both Aarakshan and Chakravyuha. in any case we will atleast get to see a solid AB performance). Then he has Singham 2 (both he and Shetty confirmed it) and probably a Prabhudeva film in the following year. For an actor who was not even considered among the top league of stars throughout the 90s he does not seem to be doing too badly for himself. And add to all of this the fact that he is the only actor in his generation to have 2 National Awards (not saying Nat. Awards are credible but they are not like Filmfare either. And I think he atleast deserved it for Zakhm if not for TLOBS)

        And whoever thinks that anyone can get a hit out of doing Masala should see the fate of K786

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    • 100 crore solo grosser should not be the criteria to judge an actor. Even actors of calibre like Naseeruddin shah , Irrfan Khan have not even came near it as solo stars. Dont say that they are art cinema types. So is Vidya.

      Akshay is getting it. Does it make him a great actor? 100 crore is purely a business gimmick which is destroying good cinema and encouraging mindless cinema. Film have to make profit to survive but they need not make films only to get that 100 crore tag.

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  16. ETT and 3I – if these films box office figures are seen from a Telugu cinema perspective(which is the way it should be anywhere IMO) I think ETT has clearly beaten 3I. Why because in Telugu cinema it is the “distributor share” that all matters. On that count ETT is nearly 10Cr ahead of 3I.

    Any film is bought territory wise by distributors. Gross minus the entertainment tax is Nett. Nett minus theatrical rentals and other charges is the actual “Share” for a film which goes to the distributors hence “distributor share” to put it in simple way. This Share is what determines whether a film is hit or flop not only in Telugu cinema but across any film industry in India. Hit film is one where the distributor makes profit with the share. Example if a distributor has bought a film for 10 rupees and he gets a share of 12 rupees at the end of the movie’s run then the distributor is in profit and hence a hit. The range of hit depends on the profit he gets w.r.t to his investment. Now the “Share” of ETT is around 109 cr which is 10 cr more than 3I so this is clearly the bigger hit among the two. The problem here is we never know what the distributor investment is, no one seems to bother to report that in Hindi cinema. We only hear an overall number with no break up territory wise.

    Coming to ETT and 3I, again you have a difference on the Gross/Nett 3I is higher here. Clearly, it is because Salman despite his golden phase is still not that big in the multiplexes and hence despite more people watching his films through single screens his grosses aren’t that big.

    What this means is that if a similar number of audience watch a Aamir film but with more people on multiplex side of equation we will see much bigger numbers in other words 3I gross/nett would be surpassed if just the same number of people who turned up for ETT turn up for a Aamir film 🙂

    This divide of multiplex and single screens in terms of grosses is hurting Salman. If it were all single screens there would be no competition to him ‘at this point’ and its clear with the “shares” he is getting. Wish we get a separate break up of shares in single screens and multiplxes. BOI provided it few years ago around Wanted time. Even then share of Wanted was much higher than Love Aaj Kal but due to its poor performance in multiplxes the gross/nett of wanted was lower. This is all a bit complicated and with the way bollywood trade operates things are never clear unfortunately.

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  17. hmm–thanx for that link. As i mentioned earlier–salman has never really got over ash (and may never ever!)

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  18. Hmmm.

    So Talaash prophecy failed – no great opening and alas a very poor trending.

    Pressure on.

    Plus Abhishek’s only hope as of now to get a good solo project.

    But relax g-u/a-y-s ! Dhoom 3 will be the highest grosser of 2013 for sure. No need to pull down any or all other stars.

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  19. So there was really nothing except for the logo, eh? I am quite indifferent about it. I don’t dislike it, but, it’s nothing that says anything about the film. But, it catches my eye more than Dhoom 1 or Dhoom 2’s logo. I guess that’s the only judgement I can pass 😛
    oh, and good to be back…for how long, who knows? 😀

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  20. P.K Talli Says:

    “Guys, I just finished seeing the final cut of Dhoom 3 and I cannot wait for you all to watch it. Suddenly Christmas seems too far away,” Aamir Khan posted on Facebook http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cant-wait-for-the-audience-to-see-dhoom-3-says-aamir-khan/1152314/

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    • Aamir was excited about it recently. The only question here is: how big can the film be? Can it do a repeat of the previous installment where you had a number well in excess of the existing standards. Of course even D3 will find it hard to do with the 3I numbers what Ghajini did when it came out or 3I did when it released. In other words these were numbers and totals that beat the existing high bars by very huge percentages. It’s harder to do that with 3I. But to match the earlier film (D2) and accounting for all possible factors it should really be doing significantly more than 300 crores. This sounds like a lot but it’s eminently possible. Why? because films are already on course to do 150 crores in a 7-9 day period. ETT did this. Chennai Express could do it. If it doesn’t it’s because it’s not been liked as much but it is on that track otherwise. you have to assume that for a new Krrish sequel or specially D3 a lot more is possible. If a film could make 170 crores or so within that same period half-decent trending could get it to 250, decent would easily get it over 300. It’s possible, the rest is about the actual film. When a film like YJHD makes 185 or whatever one can hardly just gross 200 or get a bit more on films like Krrish or DHoom and call them huge successes.

      On a related note I am truly expecting the best script of the franchise here. Still believe D2 was inferior on this score as well as in terms of not keeping enough of a balance on the face-off. The director is a wild-card. Aamir liked him a lot before he started the film and presumably likes the results. But I am interested in his handling here given that tashan was a different sort of film. One which I didn’t like incidentally barring the superb Akshay ‘Bachchan’ entry moment.

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      • 3I, YJHD, CE all have one thing in common. They are all mainly fun movies. Seems Sajid is not wrong when he says he makes films for the masses. Not the bluecollared ones. But the white collored. Krrish3 and Dhoom3 seem to be action oriented, especially the former. They may do well but expecting them to do 300 crores means that Indians have too much spare money to spend on movies. More or less the same screen count, same ticket prices, same audience?

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      • P.K Talli Says:

        i dont think any film this year including K3 or D3 can do as much as what chennai express did in first 3.5 days . CE was lucky to have first 2 days as national holidays followed by a Sunday K3 & D3 wont have that sort of advantage . Both of them can certainly remain very stable on weekdays but will find it very tough to match 3I on trending score.

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      • When one expects Dhoom 3 to do 300 crores as a matter of fact, it indicates 2 things.

        One must have immense faith in aamirkhan’s starpower combined with the dhoom 3 franchise.

        Or pegging such a high business and then dub it as an underperformer if it does only some 120 crores.

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        • I didn’t say it ‘will’ do 300 but that it ‘ought’ to given the numbers on the previous installment and looking at all other factors as well.

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  21. RajRoshan Says:

    3I overall gross is not because of Aamir’s star power…its because of the movie itself (was mass friendly and very entertaining..Aamir’s presence helped it for sure though)..else Talaash should have done big also. Only OW is dependable on star power..rest depends on WOM. I remember the craze for D2…anyone among young crowd I knew wanted to watch it…it was a mass hysteria in terms of opening..heck some people commented whether YRF bought BOI or what when they started to go gaga over D2 :p

    If the movie is well liked I won’t deny 300 as well. It will definitely open big and can gross 170-180crss in 1st week itself (even CE is going to gross 140-150 depending on the source you want to take)
    Both D3 and K3 have potential for 300 but will depend on the movie. K3 have two weeks of free run before Raam Leela arrives while D3 road seems to be even more clear. Given how YJHD gross (no one in right mind would have predicted anything more than around 100crrs or so) and CE (looked mediocre with a superstar who seemed to have been fading recently)..I think anything below 220-225crr will be underwhelming for K3 and D3.

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  22. tonymontana Says:

    Woah! And there goes the 3I record..!

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  23. this whole digital poster business is nonsensical, if I was the producer I would rather just put out a couple of decent trailers

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  24. I feel indifferent about this teaser. Don’t like it, but, don’t dislike it either. Couple of “cool” scenes, but, nothing related to the story.

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  25. tonymontana Says:

    yeah.. expected a better teaser here because of aamir’s involvement. doesnt give any idea about the movie whatsoever except what we already know about the franchise — star worship, cool stunts, hot item girls!

    and that monologue/poetry by aamir was stupid

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  26. They couldn’t find a better shot of AB Jr? Looks like a studio shot.

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    • they have him flung in the air of a helicopter…apparently trying to shoot down aamir on his bike with a freakin shot gun. hopefully this is the last time Aamir works with Aditya Chopra/YashRaj.

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  27. …And i thought only Akshay Kumar has a worse Dilouge dilivery in OUATIMD. So Aamir is giving Akki a good fight on worse dilouge dilivery category.

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  28. ideaunique Says:

    counting at the b.o. will be huge here as it releases on 20th dec – so practically it gets 14-15 days of straight holidays…………CE ki dhoom jyaada nahin chalegi

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  29. yeah this was pretty awful. agreed on the abhishek scene, they could’ve showed him in a better back ground. the SFX look pretty damn atrocious…especially the last scene with Aamir sliding under neath the truck…thats just stupid. maybe im taking this film too seriously..but i still expected some sense of…sensibility here.

    also towards the beginning the “thud” sounds between the dialogue give a TDKR vibe. my expectations for this film to be good have dropped.

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  30. thecooldude Says:

    All records will shatter…..all of them.

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    • This is a better release date.
      As a teaser, I don’t think it’s meant to show much of the story (and to be honest, not expecting much of a story anyway!).
      All I’d want from this film is a couple of big physical confrontations between the leads. The rest is pretty formulaic, and shouldn’t fail for the audience this film caters to…Uday to be stupid and some comedy between him and Abhishek, an element of chemistry between Kat-Aamir and most importantly some real tension between Aamir and Abhishek. Couple of chartbusting songs.
      I think it will rock the box office for first few days for sure, would expect a week 1 of 160-175cr + … there on its either 215 or 250 or 300 depending on WOM.

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      • “most importantly some real tension between Aamir and Abhishek”

        It will be more like previous Dhoom films; Aamir will get away from Abhishek right under his nose.

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      • hard to disagree with anything here.. except that I would be disappointed not to find a somewhat better script here than the previous two films (not a hard standard to beat!). Aamir has praised the script so that gives me hope. Do think it would be a mistake to just do this by the numbers. They should attempt something a bit more substantial here. It’s of course plastic terrain where you can’t expect too much but you should either do completely eye-candy then (John-Hrithik) or else if you go with a more serious star you should be willing to add more to the script. Hopefully that is the case here.

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        • Agree, let’s see what the final product is, but for now let’s take this film for what the previous 2 has been. An entertaining film with right amount of action, songs, humor, etc… They’re perfect timepass films.

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      • haha I could sense a tension here, that’s typical when a new aamir film teaser/trailer release as most of them have been poor/inconclusive to begin with revealing nothing about the film. Talaash was an exception of course it revealed everything.

        I will wait till Dec trailers to pass a final judgement on the film’s box office because that’s when (closer to release of the film) ‘aces’ are delivered generally by Aamir 😀

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  31. Found the teaser underwhelming. It’s not a proper trailer of course but I do think they could have had a vastly more effective teaser. This film is pretty much trailer/teaser proof but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have exciting trailers. The first big trailer will be the truer test here. There’s still 3.5 months or so to the release date so they’re probably not going to do too much anytime soon. There are plenty of important Hollywood films where the teasers are really nothing great but then they’re also shorter than this one. This is more or less an Aamir intro but they could have cut it a lot better.

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    • It’s really cut like an extension of that motion poster. Because everything outside of Aamir plays like an afterthought. Which of course makes sense commercially. In any case didn’t expect anything particularly mind-blowing from a Dhoom trailer!

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      • This was just poor, expected much better special effects at least. Hopefully Aamir has put in enough masala ingredients to make this a good one, but the absolutely insane and creative action in the similar Fast and Furious films (especially the 5th one) make this one look even more substandard.

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        • You’re right. I can certainly live with less-than-believable special effects if these action sequences were conceived more imaginatively. As it stands the thinking appears to be that Hindi films need to rival Hollywood by emulating them and that’s not only wrong-headed but the results come across as stale. Enthiran is a good example here. The special effects in that film were certainly not on par with contemporary Hollywood efforts but Shankar’s imaginative flourishes, the way he and his collaborators conceived and choreographed some of the unique action sequences there (very specifically the climactic one) was what made the difference there.

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          • Couldn’t agree more but I do think a certain amount of polish is required when it comes to special effects even if they are otherwise creative. That’s why unfortunately despite Shankar’s best efforts, Robot still looked tacky.

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  32. Dialogues sounds like it’s Fanaa part 2, rest is what’s it’s supposed to be.

    Week 1 = 175 crore (7 days + paid preview)
    Total = 275 – 325 crore (It’s Aamir, one of the most successful franchise film, Christmas, New Year, no competition from any big films, clear couple week run, etc…)

    I know someone predicted 400 crore but i don’t think that’s possible, even with 3I type of liking.

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    • ideaunique Says:

      worldwide – it will cross all the no.s by chennai/delhi/whatever express 🙂

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    • thecooldude Says:

      It wouldn’t do 400 with 3I trending???? 3I did 200 after 80 CR first week….if D3 does 175 CR first week then the final will be….well you can use the calculator

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      • Neither K3 or D3 look like magnificent films but both look like films that will really put to bed some silly box office debates. Seriously think K3 will open on a monstrous note, to the extent that single screens will be off the hook. Its multiplex business will be great too – I think here the ability to gross will be more than Krrish in multiplexes. That in all purposes was the difference in 2006 between Krrish and D2, D2 did as well but not better in smaller centres, but it just was much bigger in multiplexes. Hrithik should claw back here on multiplexes and since then his multiplex efforts like JA and ZNMD surely have added to his clout.
        D3, will be just be off the charts. I think some of the predictions of 400 crore are mis-informed but it is not beyond the realms of possibility to get to 300 crore here. Bearing in mind CE made 145 crore odd in first week, D3 should be making 175 crore. Assuming it can carry through into second weekend which it should have more chances to do so if liked like CE (its screens won’t get taken away for a start, but it won’t be as supressed as CE with one less holiday in first week) it could post a big second weekend in range of 50 crore. Being at 225 crore after 10 days it still has new years day and a third weekend. All on paper very possible, assuming its WOM is at least on a par with CE.
        As much as CE opened very big, something about its opening weekend to me suggests there was “more” room in it. Especially when its biggest day was on a par with ETT – a year after. With all those extra screens, inflation it only matched ETT on its best possible day or possibly just marginally beat it depending on which source.

        The best model to follow is YJHD. This is pretty much a pure multiplex film and done 180 crores! That’s big business without any holidays and YPD2 to deal with in week 2!
        A film with a bigger star (Hrithik) or cast (Aamir/Abhishek/Katrina) can surely make 180 crores with the worst trending possible! Throw in the singles and smaller centres, the edge of holiday and a product that is close to YJHD in WOM and really 300 crore is more than possible. At worst, ETT was hardly a good movie, decent at best, and it too done 186 crores.

        The numbers are possible and you don’t need an exceptionally trending film to get there.

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        • the determining factor will be aamir’s marketing her jay. He would very well know that D3 has a guaranteed audience in multiplexes so he would just to that extra bit to make sure that those 15 days holidays see almost full houses everywhere. K3 also will work big but i guess it will not have so many holidays around and D3 might have a tighter script/storyline this time for a repeat viewing. I will put D3 much higher than K3

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          • I dont understand the 15 day holiday thing. There are no 15 day holidays during Christmas time. D3 is releasing on a working day – 20th. It has one holiday on 25th – Wednesday and then the weekend. Kids would have holidays in schools but that doesnt mean anything. Kids also have holidays during May to June but that does not mean all movies during that time will get to 300 crores. K3 has a better release date as it has 3 clear holidays on first 3 days of release and then the weekend falls on the 5th and 6th day. A movie like Don 2 which actually trended decently also had the same usual drop during the same Christmas period as the days around Christmas are working days. 3I had excellent weekdays but that was due to the content and not due to the holidays. Having a good week day due to content is totally different than having a robust weekday due to a holiday. IMO D3 will not break the 3 day record of CE as it is very difficult to get a 30 crore Day 1 without Day 1 being a holiday. The best non holiday opening is around 20 crs so one can expect D3 to get to 25 crores on Day 1. The real record breaking will come from K3 – I repeat this again – as it has a fantastic release date and first 3 days are big holidays.

            The D3 trailor though no great shakes , it seems they have kept things a little bit more accessible by going for the kind of action which even a single screen viewer will be interested in. The special effects are not too visible and the action – bike skidding under a truck – is more a single screen pleasing action. Thats quite a good ploy IMO as the multiplexes anyways wont need much convincing to get on to this movie.

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          • I’ve always considered the whole holiday deal overrated. These do help but it’s never the difference between a truly record-breaking spree and missing it. With D3 I think the film would more or less put up similar numbers on any release date. Which again does not mean holidays don’t help. Of course not every film is a D3 (or a K3 or whatever). For lesser films it might make more of a difference. But D3 is the sort of thing where anyone with a pulse shows up. WOM and later trending is a different matter. By the way consider Don2. All the holidays in the world couldn’t help this film do very much. COuld it have less without these. Possibly. But that’s not a huge deal in the overall box office picture. Competition on the other hand (not just any competition) and in a wide variety of ways is a much more tangible factor. Finally barring the very first few days holidays really advantage films that have already shown minimally good trending at least in the first 7-10 day period.

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          • Agree..i was just about to say D3 is like a “marquee” film. I’d be surprised with a 25 crore opening day even if a “working day”. It’s opening potential is not the same as YJHD. It has far more going for it. People will turn up irrespective, whether they continue to turn up is a matter of content. But the “initial” here and for K3, is almost certainly a historic one.

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        • thecooldude Says:

          I know 400 is far fetched but 300 is not considering all Aamir movies since RDB barring Talaash have doubled their opening week

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          • Let’s put it this way, if a film is going to do a HAHK or something any number is possible. But one doesn’t normally assume this. Where you do have a point is that if D3 simply repeated the D2 business it would be opening around 160-175 crores in week 1 and would then do 375-400 crores! This seems ridiculous at one level but on the other hand Hollywood does prove that if you can really jack up the initial there’s no reason why you can’t do the same on the final gross. The Cameron movies here were great trenders. Neither Titanic nor Avatar had particularly strong starts. In fact it was only from the second weekend that these films really took off. On the other hand TDK opened phenomenally well and trended phenomenally well. Recently the Avengers did very well. But I still think all else being equal it’s much less likely to happen with a film (whether in Hollywood or Bollywood) that isn’t ‘true’ or doesn’t truly strike a chord with the audience. 3I did this, the Cameron films did it both times. TDK did it. a film which gets the biggest bang possible but which is no more than passable or at the most enjoyable is not going to trend really strongly. I thought for instance and continue to that D2 could have done a 100 in ’06. It just wasn’t a good enough film but it had the stuff to make it enjoyable for most audiences. One of the problems in this sense is that rather than look at what is possible given the right film people work backwards from the gross and don’t think anything more can be achieved. Nonetheless the 400 number is still extremely high for D3 simply because this isn’t a genre where they’re really going to put in the 3I kind of effort and make a substantial film. It won’t even be close to that sort of thing.

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          • thecooldude Says:

            Forget even D2….just do a ghajini trend and you are looking at 300 plus

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          • that is true.. if you use those models those numbers are absolutely possible. But again in both cases you have substantial films. Aamir is attached to D3 as well but it’s a bit hard to believe that even with a better script this could be as substantial a film as Ghajini in any sense. Maybe it doesn’t need to given the strength of the genre. Let’s see.

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          • thecooldude Says:

            With ghajini I am sure that some families stayed away because of the violence but there wouldn’t be no such issues here. I would be disappointed if 300 cr is not reached.

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          • One yardstick (although a bit crude) that can be used for estimating possible numbers for potential record breaking films like Dhoom 3 is doubling the gross of the current top most grossing film.

            4 years ago, 3 Idiots almost doubled the gross of Ghajini, and now if D3 can double 3 Idiots/Chennai Express, that will put it in the 400 crore territory.

            I don’t think any film these days can trend like HAHK though, no matter how well-liked it is. There are just too many entertainment outlets, distractions, not to mention piracy.

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  33. Looking back, I think Abhishek could have easily done JA role in first part and would have fit the bill perfectly.

    I think Dhoom 4 will have either Salman or SRK or Ranbir.

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  34. Never thought much of Vinjay Kruhsnnan , as a writer or director. The Dhoom Franchise never excited me. Dhoom was okay. Dhoom 2 was rubbish. But, yes Hritik at least had the chutzpah to carry the nonsense in D2. And ash was classy hot. Katrina is fine on that front. Abhi is as lame as ever. No way will this outgross CE. CE is the best mainstream film of the year for me, most likely.

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    • There is a difference between the most successful mainstream film and the best mainstream film. Difference between quantity and quality.

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    • Agree, CE had the best/perfect ingridents of masala in recent years.

      But, don’t underestimate Dhoom3, this franchise also has good ingridents (the previous 2 did so there’s no reason why this won’t).

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    • ideaunique Says:

      Utkal – Vijay Krishnan’s first film was a B.O. disaster – so aamir has a calculated move here. His track-record of touching flop directors making them last for another 10+ yrs in industry will rum VK – so he will get to make few more films.

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  35. Ashutosh Gowariker. He delivered duds before and after Lagaan.
    Same case with Sarfarosh director.

    It cuts both ways.

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  36. Boring!

    But it’s just a teaser.

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  37. I have often criticised the setting of our films in west! and i have a similar criticism here for this franchise.

    I dont get to know how does Mumbai Police has jurisdiction in Chicago, i hope they have some proper explanation!

    But at the same time it seems to much, that a Indian origin thief robber, is ruling the streets of Chicago… !! I hope the script is convincing, as i never understood what kind of jurisdiction was jay dixit exercising in Dhoom 2 when he goes to Gujarat/Rajasthan and then Brazil!

    And Abhisekh is kind of worst written characters in this franchise as he brings nothing on the table, he doesnt know how to excel in bike, nor super stunts! and the worst part he never looks fit in the entire scheme of things. Here is an actor who should do acting. I mean what the heck were they thinking while showing an Indian Mumbai Cop ( Police wala ) on helicopter ladder in chicago!

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    • I do agree that they should have shot it in a major Indian city. Something away from Bombay or Delhi would have been fun. Really highlighted a major metropolis that has not normally been so used in Hindi cinema. these days a lot of films are returning to India anyway. But wait! Someone saw TDK and decided they wanted to do something in Chicago. That’s all there is to it. Sadly. Wish Aamir had insisted on an Indian locale. I actually think it would have helped the gross. Bangalore is one of the hotter markets for Hindi films these days. Why not a film here? Calcutta has been represented in some films in recent years from Yuva through Kahani. Otherwise I would nominate this. But Ahmedabad would be a great choice. It’s a very major market. It has enough interesting architecture. Some other subtexts could be developed here. I’ve actually thought about this city more than a few times in recent years as the site for a film.

      But the point with all these films that are shot in the US or UK or wherever is the desi colonized aspiration to see the Indian do this stuff on Hollywood terrain. If you do it on your own it’s not the same thing. You have to become as global as Hollywood. And this involves going to Chicago!

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      • “But wait! Someone saw TDK and decided they wanted to do something in Chicago.”

        Exactly. I wouldn’t be even a little surprised if this were true.

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      • ” But wait! Someone saw TDK and decided they wanted to do something in Chicago. ”

        I am sure that would be true.

        1) Reference to joker!
        2) Those wide shots, and that music.
        3) Think of Aamir on that Bike, might even remind someone loosely of Dark Knight bike scene!

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      • “But Ahmedabad would be a great choice. It’s a very major market.”

        And especially it provides the BRTS Route, which can be shot on!!

        Please check this video! It shows the BRTS.

        ps: the video might be from a political party but it is used only to show the roads and the system of ahmedabad.

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      • satyam u forget the convenience of shooting! imagine those scenes being shot in Bangalore or A’bad – impossible.

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      • How do you show a high-speed bike chase anywhere in India? I know it’s not possible in Chicago either but you can get away with anything when you go the Hollywood way.

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    • thecooldude Says:

      This is Aamirs first truly outside movie (not counting portions of DCH and Mann) so I will give him a pass here on not shooting it in India

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    • Criticizing such movies being set in the west is fine; but you do not understand the problems our VFX companies face; they haven’t as yet developed an algorithm to cover Indian roads’ pot-holes; otherwise Aamir escaping on a TVS SCOOTY would just work fine..Let’s see if the great father-son combo that boasted at the launch of Krishitt3 that all VFX have been developed on Indian computers soaked in Indian soil with pirated Windows OS (it is at SRK’s chillies office!)..

      And while I understand Satyam’s reading of the colonized theme of giving it back to the colonizer, I am of the differing view that you are hardly giving anything back to them on their own terrain. You are simply ‘copying’ them (Krishitt3 with the great Oberoi sticking his 400 feet ugly tongue a la Natasha Henstridge in SPECIES) and pretending to Indianize them. KMG and KRISSHH were really pain-stakingly stupid attempts at trying to do something ‘Indian’. ( For all his ‘Indianness’ he still had to send KRISHH to Malaysia.) Both father and son might have laughed their way to the bank but I have fell off the chair LOL more than that. You cannot Indianize a super-hero by merely chanting Gayatri Mantra in the back-ground!! No wonder that even after more than 20 years, Shekhar Kapur’s Mr. India remains that genuine and rooted attempt at creating an ordinary India-born and lived man blessed with super-luck and powers. For a man of the intelligence of SRK, I was really shocked to see Ra.One succumbing to the ‘pressures’ of western influence. I was truly hoping he would do something fine with it since he had the clout – too sad he roped in a below-par director/writer in Anubhav Sinha – a self-confessed copy-cat.

      When I talked of ‘Punjabization’ of Bollywood, I was criticized as a ‘regional-minded.’ But the fact is, this obsession has killed the need to explore other cities culturally in India. As of now, thankfully, at least small time towns in North India and Calcutta’s metropolis to an extent have been explored; all in very small proportion but still interestingly by Motwane and to an extent by the superficial KAI PO CHE..

      Bangalore today represents – and has over-taken Bombay – as THE city that people from outside KARNATAKA, especially from North India, want to live in; never mind the fact that Banglore witnessed an unprecedented boom in business/IT and had an infrastructure that could hardly match up with that kind of growth. Bangalore is a damn interesting mix of pan-Indian culture. While it still has Bommasandra or Malleshwaram with its local population of Kannadigas, it also has its Cunningham Road and the hilariously named MG ROAD (well, all cities in India have Mahatma Gandhi ROAD that have everything that is truly hedonistic and materialistic – maybe with the exception of strip clubs) to represent the ‘high-end’ of life where money and English talk. This is truly a city that needs to be explored in today’s ‘Hinglish’ films.
      Bombay, on the other hand, witnessed a bit of linear growth from ’70s onward – and the appeal of Bombay is beyond the attractions of Queen’s necklace or Bandra Bandstand or Worli sea-face or Chowpatty. It has always been the ‘mythological’ town with an unexplained ‘vaastu’ that renders every guy or girl from any part of India to ‘try’ their luck in ‘sapnon ki nagri.’ So whether it is a crumbling infrastructure or the criminally taxed Bandra-Worli sea-link, the mythological appeal of Bombay will NEVER subside. It will always remain ‘independent’ of the machinations of people like the lesser-Thackeray or the businessmen from outside the state that arrogantly lay claim on the city without trying to care just a wee bit about the native authenticity of the Marathi population.

      Having said that, I hope they also have a shot of Abhishek and Aamir fighting it out or Aamir-Kat making out on the glass-deck of Willis’ Tower in Chi-town..

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      • Not only pot holed roads. But also pot bellied policemen.

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      • A fierce polemic here and I agree with a great deal. However my point wasn’t that Bollywood was giving anything back to Hollywood. Just that a certain new Indian ‘we-have-arrived’ desire with its diaspora admixture isn’t really completely satisfied till Indians are substituted for Americans on Hollywood terrain. So even though a gap of light years exists between the respective technological abilities and so on doing all of this ‘in’ Chicago means something to this mindset. But again these days the ‘India-is-cool’ deal is back in vogue. Hence you can make a film like Raanjhanaa. almost claustrophobic in its insistence on local detail, and sell it to the multiplexes as the ‘real India that is fun’ (but that we nonetheless only wish to observe from a distance.. Varanasi is not anyone’s idea of a vacation!). There are many films in this group but also somewhat more generic ones that peddle the same message. But there is at least the opportunity to do these films in India. In any car Bollywood desire here is different from that in many other parts of the world where the same Hollywood clones exist (say East Asia) but where they reproduce everything in Hong Kong or Taipei or as the case might be. This is a pity because there is so much mythologization in the great Indian cities that it would be fairly easy to construct a Dhoom around iconic sites. As Ratnam for instance did in Yuva. On a related note there’s a difference between Kahani and Yuva. In the latter Calcutta is a vital metropolis with its iconic reference points and so on. In Kahaani it is once again an anthropological dig where an older Indian past might be excavated.

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        • To be honest, I find Hollywood-esque action, plots, characters always look ridiculous in an indian movie no matter where they are placed. You get a feeling that there is just no sense of belonging here. Whereas films like Ghajini or even Boss (not a bad film btw) still look plausible/.

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      • Another good comment from An Jo.

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  38. Except for the dialog, everything else is “Mehhh”. As someone mentioned, it seems to be targeted towards single screens. The dialog is reminiscent of Fanaa, which was a major USP of that movie, and IMO a big reason for its success in single screens. People have forgotten the art of dialogbaazi, which is sorely missed in the single screen segments. The action too is nothing new for multiplex (ie Hollywood consumers), but clearly a big deal for many single screen audiences who have never seen Aamir ride a bike and slip under an 18 wheeler, while craning his neck in a left-to-right motion.
    It may actually backfire among multiplexers, who clearly need something fantabulous from this movie to set the cash registers ringing.

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    • Shud say “Shaayari” instead of dialogbaazi.

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    • In ghulam, he rode a bike, I think.

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    • Yeah the movie trailor , dialogue and action seems to have been kept very accessible to single screen. I was expecting more sophistication here but this is quite ‘rooted’ in a sense…Maybe a good ploy by the makers…

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      • It’s also a means of respecting Aamir’s persona and keeping things cerebral. It wouldn’t be plausible if he just started doing a Hrithik or John here. So he has to be that more intense character whose calling card besides everything else might be the enigmatic poetry. I do agree with GF’s Riddler reference.

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        • “Khan and Kaif took up special preparations for their roles. Khan reportedly learnt ballet,[11] aerobatics[12] and French technique of parkour”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhoom_3

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          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1044413/

            D3’s stunt director – Oliver Keller

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          • “The Credits: So tell us about this film you were just working on, Dhoom 3?

            OLIVER KELLER: Dhoom 3 is the biggest budget Bollywood movie ever made. We were filming in Chicago. We flipped five cars, dropped a guy 300-feet from the top of city hall, and shot a chase scene on the Chicago river with jet skis and boats while motorcycles raced on the river walk. We had more than 100 stunt performers involved.

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          • yeah a lot of these Hollywood guys make these grand claims when they’re doing Hollywood films. The problem is the budget. You can only do so much economically. $ 150-250m films are not easy to reproduce at a fraction of the cost. They do a lot of this well in Hong Kong but it’s still a far cry from Hollywood. And Indian cinema is hardly at Hong Kong level in these matters. Still there might be a few good stunts here and there but at a sustained level it never quite works. So for instance in the Aamir moment here where he’s sliding under the truck. The action is simply too slow to make it a ‘close call’ kind of moment. Some minimal speed is required for that to happen. So even though you see how close the wheel is and so on it never quite creates tension. This works in Hollywood sequences involving a great deal of speed and spectacular stunts so that just at the right moment the action can suddenly be slowed down. The slow motion can work in this sense but it has to be very fluidly done. Again when Abhishek’s in the sky it doesn’t seem genuine. The background is a bit too blank. These moments break the cumulative effect of the action. The Abbas-Mustaan decision here is to render it all cartoonish as in Race. In some ways their outlandishness when done right works better. But when you do it very seriously the inadequacies start showing very easily. Again all of this could be remedied in an Indian setting where you could do a lot of stuff without necessarily resorting to these specific kinds of (Hollywood) stunts. You could resort to a more masala framework. It’s also about the director of course. You need one with a real talent for action. D2 was similarly engaging but there was not one completely convincing action sequence. The one ‘masala’ moment I liked here was when Abhishek jumped off without a parachute (this has been seen in two Bond films where it was handled in more tongue-in-cheek fashion) but this was a very brief moment with no real follow-through. All of this of course has no bearing on the film’s box office but it’s impossible to be impressed with this stuff after being fed on a regular diet of Hollywood stunts and related SFX. Krrish is the same. though I liked the trailer they had recently, every shot owed something to Hollywood and every shot seemed proportionally inadequate. In the earlier Krrish notice what happens early on in the film when Krissh races the horse and at one point jumps on him, the horse at that point looks animated. Still Krrish wasn’t badly done at some levels. But it’s all a very very far cry from Hollywood. Not just inferior. We’re not even in the same universe.

            Incidentally this constituted my one chief objection in Raavan! When Aishwarya falls off the cliff it is simply not a genuine fall. The physics of it is all wrong! And this is where weirdly once upon a time this would have been done right. Even in this very film the dive that opens the film is fine. Sometimes even things that can be handled well in traditional ways are messed up when SFX is employed improperly. Again in Aks Bachchan and Bajapi jump off a cliff together and once more the fall is completely fake.

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  39. I knew that Skidding under the truck scene looked familiar!

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  40. Well, one thing is for sure, by the end of 2013, with the Eid, Diwali and Xmas releases, the true extent of Indian BO will be surely revealed. CE, K3 and D3 pretty much cover all the most widely released mainstream genres in India.
    IMO K3 will rule the roost, since its trailer looks the most attractive. D3 will need an excellent script to get past K3. Looking at this teaser, I feel that it may end up around CE, give or take a few crores.

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    • I’d still give it to D3 and I’d expect the first proper trailer to be much better.

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    • I think it will be D3 > K3 > CE.

      Let’s not judge the whole movie by 15 second teaser.

      Why do I get feeling that the “Helmet” will be used as a method to hide Aamirs charechter (kind of like part 1). D2 had different get-ups.

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      • I mean the moter bike I can understand somewhat, but even for Jetski pictures i’ve seen, Aamir has a helmet on.

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      • Or maybe the helmet has some sort of technology built into it show maps, etc…

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      • This teaser is like a woman covered properly and showing little. Teasing bloggers to make guesses, wild guesses.
        There is one telugu proverb. Thinabothu ruchi adagadam enduku?

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        • “This teaser is like a woman covered properly and showing little.”

          That’s opression 🙂

          Making guesses is better then people giving review on entire movie based on 15 second teaser.

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    • After 1996, the top 3 highest grossing movies (forget inflation and whatnot for a minute) were HAHK, DDLJ, RH aka Khan, Khan, and Khan. Almost 20 years later now, the top 3 highest grossing movies are CE, 3I, ETT aka Khan, Khan, and…Khan

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      • Yeah, it’s amazing.

        And I don’t think it will change in next 5 years (Hr and Ranbir will be up there with them from here on. HR already has few big ones).

        All others will come and go.

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      • by the way, I would rather say is SRK, Salman and Aamir instead of khan, khan and khan.

        Because we do have plenty of khans who would not even be in business if they were not from filmy family.

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  41. Films of the scale of Dhoom 2 can’t be shot in a major Indian city for the simple reason that it is actually very difficult to get the permission required for the shoot. So then one has to build sets which would then make it way more costly. In comparison it would be cheaper to shoot in Chicago (d3 ), Berlin (don 2), Malaysia (krrish n don) and there would be no compromise on the planned sequence(s). Think of the Petronus Towers sequence in Don if a similar sort of thing were to be done in an Indian ity/context you would have to create a set for that thing/site.Then there is this subsidy thing also. So its factor’s like these (monetary reasons) that make them choose a foreign location.

    The problem I personally feel is not with this kind of films its films like Zindagi Na Milegi Dobare or a Jab Tak Hai Jaan that could very well be done in an Indian set up.

    For the latest Krrish film they opted the ‘building set’ way. They have recreated Mumbai in Hyderabad and although I commend their effort the tackiness is clearly visible. Even a film of the scale of Mission Impossible could not get permission to shoot the way they wanted in Bangalore, hence they recreated it in a set because they could afford it. On that other hand when Skyfall unit was denied to shoot in India(the opening sequence was planned in India) they simply chose another location. So as one can see its difficult to film such big scale action movies in major Indian cities and hence they opt some foreign location. I can say it as a fact that the producer thinks this way. The colonial mentality all comes later pehle paisa.

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  42. Love in Tokyo, Evening in Paris, Sangam(not Singham), some of Feroz Khan’s movies preceded Yashchopra in showcasing phoren locations.

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    • Yes but Love in Tokya and Evening in Paris were meant to be set in those cities; it was almost like a railway ticket with a destination..KABHIE ALVIDA NA KEHANA’s infidelity could have worked as fine or even better in Purani Delhi as in Central Park..or at least they could have named it KANK on Madison Avenue..

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      • Wrt KANK: The entire reasoning of the location was that such “immoral” activities are only committed by NRIs. All couples living in India are totally doodh-se-dhuley-huey beyond doubt. For the longest time, from Subhash Ghai to YRF to KJo, every storyteller worth their salt in bwood used NRI stereotypes to present an image of debauchery. (Would that would be the definition of an NRI Trope?) And us poor NRIs taking our daughters for classical dances to temples, teaching kids sanskrit ( or even our Muslim friends who make sure the kids learn Quran ) etc would scratch our heads wondering where in the heck did these Bozo directors get this NRI perspective from??

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        • Girls who grow up like american sisters, indepedent financially, independent in thinking, dare to separate from families as soon as they can get a job, dont like to learning their languages, happy with their american english, marry or live in with a black, mexican with ease, dont like to visit temples where ladies discuss how many suvs they own and which cruise they want to go for the next vacation while checking out who is from which place and who is wearing what.
          it is about 3rd generation Indians who have broken away and want to go mainstream, mingle and be happy or unhappy.

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        • I have seen these things and I have noticed how the traditional Indian americans are horrified when they see girls and boys who are so americanised. That maybe the reason that some of them returned to India but India is having its own horror stories. It is like between the devil and the deep blue sea.

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        • To offset these influences, Indian americans have their own safety net or ghettoisation.They have friends among their own, celebrate festivals together, watch Indian movies, make their kids learn shlokas and bharatanatyam etc. Trying to have the cake and eating it too. While the kids make their own decisions when they get the first opportunity. To go the traditional way or experiment with the culture that overwhelms them at schools, colleges, workplaces.

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  43. As satyam says–Basically the trailer/promo of dhoom3 doesn’t really matter beyond a point
    There are too many things going for this franchise — and there’s too much of ‘relay equity’ from hritik, dhoom 1 et al.
    I mean anything less than 225 crores is shameful…

    Ps: as for the ‘trailer’, it doesn’t suit aamir to try doing a ‘Hritik’ basically..
    Aamir can never do a hritik on this terrain
    He will not come out looking like a baboon…
    Aamir should have gone for a ‘classy dignified edgy’ role (which it may well be)
    Not that it matters much to the initials but the initial look
    Esp the poor cgi of sliding on a bike under a truck is two or three years lare even for Bollywood

    The may positive here (for Satyam) is that abhishrek seems to be trying hard and isn’t his passive morose self here
    Actually I’m secretly looking forward to abhishrek kicking Aamirs ass here (in the few scenes he will get lol)

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  44. “I’m secretly looking forward to abhishrek kicking Aamirs ass here”
    Maybe there is a dream sequence in the movie.

    “I mean anything less than 225 crores is shameful”
    CE did this with competition every week, you would think D3 with no compition for couple weeks, successful franchise tag, aamir khan, etc.. would make 275 at minimum.

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    • Z you have this nice gig going where you come up with these huge numbers on everything from Satyagraha to Dhoom and then pretend that if CE did x or these should do y! Of course you then also find all the big SRK films that fell way way short of such standards and more or less scraped 100 crores also acceptable! Just to let you know that you should stop pretending. It’s not as if anyone is fooled by this act! Now I have myself had very high standards for D3 but as I always say that if the framing isn’t honest even the individual claim that might be acceptable otherwise becomes dishonest.

      By the way glad you discovered competition yesterday!

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      • oh okay, let me make you happy. my prediction for D3 is 175 crore.

        Funny on one side you want to say 225 crore of CE is no big shake but than you find 275 crore for D3 unreasonable?

        One one side you claim about how market has grown, 150 is the new 100, D3 will destroy all record, but then you find mere 50 crore more then CE collection unreasonable.

        The fact is nobody is fooled by the games you’ve been playing for over a decade now. No body is pretending, it’s just that when push come to shove, you start crying foul games.

        So exactly what is your prediction for D3? you didn’t have stomach to give prediction for satyagraha.

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        • It’s not about me. before anyone else I put up the highest bars for D3. One can debate all these things. It’s however about the larger frame one uses and whether it’s honest or not.

          As for why I’m not offering predictions every time I’m asked well because I’m not a circus act willing to jump through the hoops at every ‘request’! This might sound surprising to the fan of a star who was willing to dance at every wedding but there you have it.

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          • If someone paid me 8 Crores to dance at their wedding, It would be hard for me to say no. I like what Srk said about dancing at weddings. A reporter once told him that his contemporaries said they wouldn’t dance at weddings. Srk replied “Wait until they’re asked to dance at a wedding”. By contemporary the reporter must’ve meant either Ajay or Aamir because The rest of the guys have danced at weddings. It is no surprise though that the 2 actors who haven’t danced at weddings are the ones with the least hit songs to dance to and with worst dancing skills.

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          • Hrithik must be a terrible dancer..

            and even in India no one is nuts to pay 8 crores. specially when the star is willing to sell himself a lot more cheaply!

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          • Bar dancers also say the same thing. Though they get in thousands. Thank god that aamir and ajay are bad dancers. Otherwise they would also be dancing like monkeys on weddings.

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          • “and even in India no one is nuts to pay 8 crores. specially when the star is willing to sell himself a lot more cheaply!”

            Come on. NRI’s in Dubai, the middle east anybody? They’re Indian too. And I guess nuts according to you.

            And Hrithik Roshan seems to be the only exception. Aamir would have if he could. An [insecure] man who can have an affair with a British reporter, produce a bastard son and then marry his assistant would have easily danced at a wedding if someone would pay him.

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          • Still don’t believe anyone would pay 8 crores.

            As for Hrithik being the only exception actually there are a number of stars. SRK is in the exceptional position here. The idea that others are not being asked because they might not be dancers is more than a little absurd. As if people are interested in actual dancing skills rather than the star showing up and dancing! Salman, Akshay, Abhishek, Saif, etc. No one has ever danced for money at a wedding. It’s not just Aamir or Devgan.

            On the rest since I didn’t bring up Priyanka Chopra or SRK’s surrogate child I’m not sure what Aamir’s personal life has to do with anything. If having an affair defines insecurity tons of people in the world including many important ones must be insecure. Isn’t this the classic move of the SRK fan? Even when it’s dancing at a wedding for money which surely ought to be considered demeaning for a star the SRK fan tries to come up with a justification? Hey Aamir can’t dance that well! Is this serious? Or it’s 8 crores! Let’s assume this is true. What next? for 15 crores how much more would he be willing to sell?!

            Anyway I agree there’s no point in taking this discussion further but I had to clarify some of these issues.

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          • And by the way this discussion is useless and going no where. Although you Satyam were the one who started it with your unnecessary “This might sound surprising to the fan of a star who was willing to dance at every wedding but there you have it.”

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          • An [insecure] man who can have an affair with a British reporter, produce a bastard son and then marry his assistant would have easily danced at a wedding if someone would pay him.
            His life is an open book.
            What about stars who are closely associated with traitors like Dawood Ibrahim and then deny any association.
            What about insecure stars who kick up a row with airport security and immigration people at the drop of a hat and visit the same country again and again shamelessly?
            Who panders to a certain secion of religious group so that they make their films blockbusters overseas?
            What about stars who buy awards?

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          • Two links in a comments, the comment is automatically marked spam!

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          • alright well then they’re in the SRK boat too.. I am against this idea no matter who does it.

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  45. Saira—this is a different terrain and while aamir has the adavantage of the ‘much bigger star’ and hence the leverage of script (and making changes to suit his role etc)–this isn’t his best genre at this age. If abhishrek ups his game, takes it seriously and gets a reasonable role, his height, voice and physicality can ‘dwarf’ aamir in a (more) ‘physically dependent’ flick
    Ofcourse aamir is too shrewd to see thru this possibility and would have taken care of that eg no same frame camera angles, better dialogues etc
    But something in the two second promo showed me that abhishrek has learnt his lesson now 🙂

    I said below 225 crores is shameful ie aamir should retire lol
    As for respectable it is 300 ish
    And to justify the hype, all the hoopla, aamir should do 350 🙂

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  46. And IF aamir DOES manage to reach 350 crores in dhoom3 (which is not out of question!)
    Half of that credit will go to hritk/John and the other half to yashraj & abhishrek /Kat etc for creating this ‘springboard of a buildup) 😉
    Ps: my dear aamir–it’s not so easy to piggy back on others’ efforts
    Be it amol Gupte or the dhoom franchise …
    Ps2: the real test was the-laash 🙂

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    • LOL not sure how it’s possible for Aamir to get any credit in your scenario! Because if the film underperforms he gets the blame, if it overperforms he somehow doesn’t get the credit! Do I sense anxiety in a Hrithik fan?!

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    • you should learn from Z and say that if K3 does 250 crores D3 needs to do 450! Then at the end pretend to be disappointed.

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      • ^ actually Satyam that’s a fact lol
        If k3 with hritik alone does 250, Aamirs d3 needs to do 400!! Ha
        Satyam—
        I hope abhishrek takes ‘revenge’ for his maltreatment in dhoom2…
        And strikes back here
        It plays both ways –even in a smallish role, watched by everyone, if he doesn’t well it will be noticed….
        Just like his dhoom2 misadventure was noted…
        Ps:felt sorry for abhishrek actually with hritk getting away with lip- kissing his fiancée in front of his eyes ( & doing multiple takes of the same!) 🙂

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        • Flashback
          for those not born at that time or those who attained ‘puberty’ v recently–


          Hritk making merry with the soon-to-be-married ash while abhishrek fumes (& abhishrek shows some killer steps around 2:25 onwards)

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      • putting words into people mouth is one of your skill.

        Go thru this whole site to see my prediction on D3.

        Stop pretending.

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  47. For getting credit from me ( in the sense aamir is being projected) one has to also LIVE UP to those vibes—
    Not just disappear from the battleground for 3-4 years
    It’s like lara and sachin hitting a triple hindered and then ‘sit out’ the matches for some difficult series and then brag about your average!
    Yeah aamir has is merits and I like him a lot for those..
    But I don’t get carried away !
    Getting dhoom3 to any big tally is no big deal actually

    If there are big claims, they HAVE to be backed up
    Not by showing your ‘back’ literally …fr years

    Forget other things, let aamir do akshays number of releases for a couple of years—all the ‘discretion’ and ‘prestige’ will go out of the window
    Success in ‘absentia’ has limitations …

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    • but the same is true for hrithik. why was it a big deal to get a big one in D2 when the film was already a hit the first time around. Literally Abhishek’s first hit. More importantly Hrithik too had the tendency of taking long breaks. I’d argue this has hurt him more than Aamir inasmuch as he’s much younger star and it’s stagnated his career. He’s certainly not been able to get ahead of the rest. He’s not really added to his credentials either. He was a top star right after KNPH. But what else? We can go through his list of films over the last 7 years or more and there are lots of gaps. He’s been better recently but even now hardly the most regular star. A younger star should have at least two major releases every year. No matter how you’re doing otherwise. For instance even with Abhishek (though he didn’t do this in the past and probably won’t going forward) the gap between BB in July last year and then D3 in Dec this year (18 months or so) is too much. It’s ok if you then come up with a Guru sort of deal, a defining film, but not when it’s business as usual. But at least with him it’s not been the norm otherwise and doesn’t look to be going forward. Hrithik too seems to be a bit better now but still he rarely has more than one a year. SRK has also now jumped on this bandwagon with age. In any case why don’t Hrithik’s gaps count?

      As for D3 it’s really a perception deal. Either most people will think it’s amir’s film or they won’t (once they’ve seen it). If they think it is it would be pointless to argue that Hrithik was right for this terrain whereas Aamir piggy-backed! By the way I don’t disagree with some of the stuff you’ve said. I’ve said it myself. Aamir has never been a natural for these flamboyant parts, there is a physical mismatch and so on. But all of this matters only if a general audience feels this way. Otherwise it’s a distinction without a difference. Now it could be that Abhishek is smarter about it this time than he was in D2. But that too proves the opposite point. Because Aamir could have been in the previous one and Hrithik in this one and the same would happen. Notice how even in D2 Hrithik was rather careful about the camera angles as you have put it. There’s a bar scene where Abhishek is seated and Hrithik is standing. The reverse never happens. Even when both are standing the angles are generally not such that are unflattering to hrithik as was the case in MPDKH. So let’s be a little fair here!

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      • “Aamir has never been a natural for these flamboyant parts, there is a physical mismatch and so on. But all of this matters only if a general audience feels this way. Otherwise it’s a distinction without a difference”

        spot on satyam! No one imagined that aamir wud do a ghajini. So here that curiosity factor from audience will super-high. One more factor and knowing aamir’s penchant to go deeper in the roles – here he plays a gymnast / villain / and maybe a surprise character – add to this aamir’s deep involvement in the music of all his films – so we can expect some chartbuster songs also? D3 wud be a good genre for aamir to put his marketing skills n full-drive. It is a case of making a successful product into super-success. D3 would straightaway go to Superhit category and now all which will be done as promotions would be to put it in ATBB category and maybe the highest ever grossing film tag.

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  48. “In any case why don’t Hrithik’s gaps count?”– who says they don’t!
    Everything counts. Which is why inspite of out-grossing EVERYONE (at their time) with his debut film and atleast five six other big hits, and as a SOLO hero, hritik is never called the number 1 or the ace or the most prestigious or the most ‘intelligent’ bla bla.
    The discourse has been quiet on him (& rightly so!)

    It’s aamir and his fans who have claimed this UNIQUE space
    Well, one can make claims but then the onus is on aamir to prove it
    And keep proving it….
    That’s the name of the game
    The finishing line keeps moving (ahead)

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  49. It is hilarious how one can be so disconnected from history when talking about some important stars; Aamir Khan and Amitabh Bachchan to take two.

    This whole theory that Aamir deliberately plans huge gaps between his movies is ridiculous. He had FANAA (an atrocious movie by Aamir’s script-sense) and RDB in 2006 within a span of a few months and both turned out to be super hits. In 2001, he had LAGAAN and DIL CHAHATA HAI again within the span of a few months and both turned out to be outstanding hits. So whatever happened to the ‘deliberate’ gaps?. Another common-sensical thing is however important AK maybe to the film, there ARE other factors in the film and other people too!! It is not exactly an off-Broadway monologue! Aamir can’t just keep pushing release dates to meet his meticulously planned gaps and burn the pockets and dates of distributors and other ‘actors’ in the movie respectively.
    If one cares a bit to know history, AK was going through divorce/separation after the most successful phase of his career post 2001. AND, definitely and, those 2 roles in Lagaan and DCH were as diverse as chalk and cheese. He would have given SRK a run for his money but simply stepped out of the arena and didn’t work on anything till Mangal Pandey released in 2005. SRK was left with no competition virtually after the Hrithik tsunami via KNPH turned out to be a faucet leak till KMG happened. When asked reasons for his ‘abstinence’, Aamir said that he was emotionally in turmoil and just couldn’t concentrate till he got out of his depression due to his divorce. SRK was again the king; the difference was – he was rendered the ONLY king due to Aamir’s desertion! (Till the Amitabh anxiety started to hit him and he tried to become a latter day Amitabh by piggy-backing on DON’s cult.)
    It is easy to be cynical about Aamir whether he does 3 IDIOTS or SATYAMEV JAYATE but one has to realize that there is something called SWOT analysis – strength, weaknesses, opportunities, threats – and AK truly analyzed this quite well. He never had the energy of SRK nor the infinite talent of Amitabh. He then concentrated on overall quality of the film as a product rather than as a vehicle for individual glory. Since cricket is a favorite (and of course an ill-conceived comparison in these debates), one can loosely equate him to MSD who can definitely look crude with his willow angles but at the end of the day, manages to take his team to glory.

    The Aamir career-model is easy to criticize but is damn difficult to follow in life. What people forget is that this decision is not easy. Life throws at one such difficult moments and difficult decisions need to be taken. People also forget that AFTER his decision to not allow anything to come in the way of quality, he could have failed miserably! It was not a set path for him. There was no ‘precedence’ to this model (Rajnikanth doesn’t count here because the south-style fanaticism doesn’t work at that level in Hi-fi). In spite of him stressing on quality, the audience still could have turned their backs on him or the producers/distributors taken the safe route of opting for a ‘star’ like SRK. It was a big, big gamble and AK stuck to it with conviction and reaped rewards; at the cost of the fact that he NEVER was able to aim for the anointment of a ‘true-blue’ star. He is just another fine actor in a movie set-up and he is quite content with that. I have personally faced such situations and I identify with them. I have taken many ‘safe’ routes instead of going for the kill. And I hence face the consequences of that and got to live with that.. When Hirani said that he took AK in 3 idiots mainly for the fact that his career is a fine example of the philosophy the movie spouts – that of success following excellence – I smirked. But later realized, he is damn bloody right!

    Did anyone stop to think why would AK take up SMJ? What are the thoughts that goes through one’s mind? Why would people, after having spent a week getting screwed by their bosses at work, want to get up on Sunday at 9 AM with a terrible hangover and watch 1 hour of child sexual abuse stories? Did anyone realize how risky this was? That SMJ could have simply tanked. And the fact is, it obviously is not a safe genre – if that could be applied to television.

    Throughout his career, he has taken difficult decisions; ones that sound very easy AFTER they are converted to successes. Has it appeared like that before? Anurag Kashyap has gone on record to say that the ONLY Hindi film actor who has the knack to gauge a script’s pulse on paper BEFORE and not AFTER is Aamir. That is his USP.

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    • On the Aamir gaps the one between DCH and MP was very long and unusual and you’re right about the divorce. However even after the Fanaa-RDB double in 2006 which was huge for him he returned 18 months later at the very end of 2007 with TZP, hardly a major release even if it did very well. It’s true that there were problems here when the original director left or was thrown out and Aamir took up the direction himself. But however it happened there was a long gap with the audience. Similarly that 4 year one. yes he had personal problems but opportunities are nonetheless lost when this happens. So 18 months between Fanaa and TZP but then another full year between this and Ghajini. Then he was fine as 3I followed a year later. But after this he again lay low till the release of Talaash. Had DG in between, there were a few productions but he wasn’t there in anything. One could hardy argue against his career and there was media bias against him for the longest time. Nonetheless the gaps didn’t help. The comparison with SRK or whoever is a different debate. It’s clear Aamir has created a very unique brand-name for himself and it’s also clear that he doesn’t feel the pressure to do films very regularly. It doesn’t affect his enormous prestige. So in that sense it hasn’t hurt him. But one would have liked to see more from him at this stage which has definitely been his career peak. But where I disagree with you is that however those gaps come about they are problematic. It didn’t affect his brand-name but as you said they might have kept his competitors in the running to some degree.

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      • “On the Aamir gaps the one between DCH and MP was very long and unusual and you’re right about the divorce”
        Now it’s not anyone’s fault that aamir was secretly making out with the London journalist and giving birth to a ‘love child’ or making out with poor kiran rao (!!) on his own production sets —and then using the same excuse to take a ‘break’.
        I saw a similar pattern around the subpar don & JTHJ phase and thought finally srk will also go down the PC route…
        But he regrouped to now give CE (& slapped Aamirs 3 idiots literally ) when even his own die hard fans didn’t expect!!

        Ps: I won’t take such excuses for underperformance or long unnatural breaks —
        Now next someone will say that tiger woods is still no-1 (if not for his sexual antics!)
        Cmon stop committing adultery and using it as an excuse 😉
        Btw need to catch up with some stuff… C’mon maggie lol

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    • @ AN Jo — Terrific pitch-perfect analysis of Aamir.

      About Dhoom 3 teaser — while I am underwhelmed by the same, I still hope that the film will be worth something, beyond appearances. And though i am not too comfortable with the idea of Aamir in a Dhoom type of film (comedy-drama is more his forte–which is why he has been at his best in films like Rangeela, AHAT, Ghulam, 1947-The Earth, Sarfarosh, RDB, 3I…) — I still admire his guts in doing work beyond his comfort zone.

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  50. “SRK was again the king; the difference was – he was rendered the ONLY king due to Aamir’s desertion! “–
    Reminds me of some ‘claims’ that amitabh became what he is mainly because of Rajneesh and his ‘free sex’ cult by enrolling Vinod khanna lol
    As for SWOT analysis, that’s EXACTLY the point
    The proportion of his machinations and SWOT analysis (not bad things actually) to real box office pull and stardom is relatively high.
    Delberation and strategy is a good thing
    Bt stardom and pull is different …
    Ps: it’s not about me pulling aamir down (since he has unmistakable qualities and worth) but some of these significant (but subtle and hidden) factors at play also need to be highlighted.

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    • No one in their right minds would ever inflate Vinod Khanna’s worth to that much. Amitabh had worthier comeptitors in Dharmendra or even Shatru. But Vinod Khanna? The guy survived only because of his good looks, he barely gave any solo hits. All of his memorable movies are those where he played second fiddle to Amitabh. I can’t even name a solo VK superhit. Qurbani too was a Feroze Khan baby. If he were indeed that great, he would not have petered out when he came back from the 4 yr orgy in 1985. He wasn’t even that old, he should have been giving massive hits at least until 1995. But he just disappeared into oblivion only to be resuscitated by Salman in Dabanng.

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    • **Reminds me of some ‘claims’ that amitabh became what he is mainly because of Rajneesh and his ‘free sex’ cult by enrolling Vinod khanna lol**

      Just wondering what happened to Vinod Khanna’s outstanding talent after he fornicated on Osho’s bed and returned to filmdom..guess he ‘leaked’ all his brilliance in Osho’s mansion itself!!

      If one cares to read the ‘whole’ of what is written, nobody said Aamir would have simply knocked out SRK out of competition – but he definitely would NOT have made SRK’s life easier..

      And I do say that Aamir is no match for SRK’s energy and flamboyance in certain roles..guess all this is lost when one takes only bits and pieces & not the totality of the argument..

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  51. Agree partly –though I rate Vinod khanna higher than that (though not at amitabhs eventual level obviously)
    Your comment answers similar claims above about Srk succeeding bcos of Aamirs breaks lol
    Ps: liked kank–had its moments

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    • Your analogy would have worked if Aamir too had been uneventful after his return in 2005. Instead the guy embarked on a golden run on his return. Had VK done the same after 1985, people could have knocked Amitabh from his perch. But all his haters (primarily the Cine press, Stardust, etc) could never find an alternate narrative to beat Amitabh with.

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  52. Vinod khanna never got saddled with the cross of number 1!!
    Aamir has been anointed more than no1 by his fans -rightly mostly!
    But With that cross comes the pressure
    To deliver again n again
    Not to hide n plot n plan…
    If u are a batsman, face the pitch !!

    After rockstar, come again with barfi & then Yjhd
    And with a suspect besharam at quick succession –with the guts to fail …

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    • Oh you bet VK got close to being annointed by the media of that time. All of them were so anti-Amitabh, they would put that crown on the head of anything that showed a bit of life in filmdom. There used to be articles berating Amitabh and downplaying his roles in MKS, AAA, Naseeb, etc etc. The narrative formed was that he could not deliver solo-hits, he needed to rely on VK, SK, RK, etc. This despite in-your-face blockbusters and stats from venerable trade guides, Film Information, BO journals. Had VK starred in a couple more movies with Amitabh, they would have kicked Amitabh into a grave. Off course, all this was being played out in an alternative universe concocted by the media, which had no bearing to the real public stardom of Amitabh.
      This is totally opposite of how the media treated SRK, who shrewdly created this “I am the King” narrative, and had the media eating out of his hands literally. (all those freely flowing gifts to the media do help).

      Except for that 2001-2005 hiatus, Aamir has not really disappeared as you suggest. He has also produced JTYJN, DB, PL, DG, SMJ in the last 3 years, each of which were great ROIs.

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  53. @ are you really Aamirsfan?

    So to be someones’s fan you have to like his sHIT as HIT ?

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  54. This is a public platform. I didn’t knew that it is a private space where only 2 people can exchange comments and i have no intention to poke my nose in others matter but if someone gives a new defination of fan then i can express my view.

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  55. Objection sustained my lord.

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  56. The ‘Apex court’ ethic

    There have been mentions/questions if I supported srk or aamir or bachchan or salman or tom dick harry or was anti aamir or anti xyz and so on…
    The answers simple—

    No reputations,
    No compulsions
    No fandom
    No biases
    No bigotry
    Crap work(as one sees it) gets shamed & (st)ripped
    And good stuff gets praised –no questions asked ! 🙂
    Ps: c’mon sanju & maggie-let’s complete the koffee…

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  57. Here’s the filming of Aamir Khan’s motorcycle entrance.

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  58. i’ve watched this “teaser” about 4 or 5 times now and i still can’t get over the horrendous visual effects. i realize its just a teaser and there may be better effects to come, but its astonishing to think D2 (released 7 freaking years ago) had much better visual effects than what we’ve seen here in D3. i just can’t get over the abhishek hanging from a copter scene and Aamir sliding under an 18-wheeler scene.

    this was D2 theatrical trailer:

    also, i think Aamirs character will have some silly/crazy shades to it. i mean it seems they have been “inspired” by TDK/TDKR in this teaser so might as well use shades of the “Joker” character in TDK and instill it into Aamirs character. THAT would be awesome. i think Aamir can pull off a good “maniac” type of role.

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  59. ideaunique Says:

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    • Et tu, Brute?

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    • As I said, in this country, you really need to have a bloody thick skin to survive..where people make fun of you for things which are clearly BEYOND a human’s control..very sad. No wonder we are the most insensitive population in the world, with absolutely no respect for senior citizens, women, or people with disabilities. Even in a light years from now, our buses will NOT have the facilities to pull up people with disabilities on a board or lower them down. But you can expect the reverse, you can expect to fall down from BEST or from Churchgate fast to be a disabled person for the rest of your life. Because neither the conductors nor the drivers nor the system has any time for you..

      This is not about Aamir or anybody else but about the general disgusting attitude in our country where we are going from bad to worse day by day.

      Birth, religion, nationality, physical attributes are merely freaking accidents of life; to take undue pride in them or to make fun of others for NOT belonging to them or having them is truly abominable to the highest degree..

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    • FB and Twitter are just a complete mess in terms of Bollywood. We’ll probably see pictures of Salman Khan as a mental patient during Mental’s release, Akshay kumar as a slave or something during boss’s release and SRK doing something stupid during HNY’s release, etc. If a random non Bollywood person read twitter/fb they would think every Khan/Kumar movie is the biggest blockbuster in the history of films worldwide or the biggest disaster in the history of films worldwide. People just have too much time on their hands, or use the time they do have terribly.

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  60. 2 days and close to 5 million hits!

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  61. Don’t want to say anything condescending, but, people are talking way too much about Box Office (and “bigger star” controversies) and less about the teaser itself. That’s one of the reasons I feel like this blog is losing its touch with me. I liked having the discussions about movies themselves (yes, I know I am guilty of being involved in a couple of arguments over BO), but this blog is becoming more and more about numbers and less about content.

    Just to render out some points:
    1) Simple thing I’d like to say here is…I don’t care how much money Chennai Express made, but, the movie was just a good masala film. It can’t even compare to the likes of My Name is Khan, Dil Se…, TZP, CDI, Swades, Tere Naam or even Wanted. So, basically, congratulations to the team for 400+ cr gross worldwide, but, these records are going to be broken. The movie is not memorable in the long run.

    2) (With all due respect) Who the hell cares about which star is more popular? Or has more fans? Or earns more money? Is there a single logical reason to care about that? For example, Shahrukh is my favourite because, i) I enjoy his work and, more importantly ii) I didn’t commit suicide because of one of his interviews.

    In conclusion, what I’m trying to say is, the blog is becoming too much about numbers & starpower and less about films & the humans associated with them. 🙂

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    • its only seems like this right now because in the past month we have seen a SRK film release and then an Amitabh bachchan film release. id like to read some reviews of some films that have released lately, there are some VERY talented writers on this blog.

      also its weird that SRK fans (excluding you and Henry) have all of a sudden shown up and stayed after the success of CE. they haven’t been on this blog consistently for this long since a long time!

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      • But, a similar thing was happening when Chennai Express trailer came out. It seems that everyone wants to do a verses match between films, when, clearly, art is one of those subjects where competing with others (or trying to one-up the other) is detrimental and nothing else. I agree, there are some extremely talented writers here, but, I am not talking about their writing skills. Rather, I’m talking about the content posted on the blog.

        I am guilty of being active occasionally when there is no SRK movie releasing and being active frequently when there is an SRK film releasing. Can’t deny that. I also agree that some of us tend to lose our cool and get into aggressive arguments with the other person. Again, I have been guilty of that in the past (a while ago).

        Either way, AAL IZZ WELL ❤ 😛

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  62. Dhoom 3 teaser spoof. It’s one of the best bollywood spoofs I have ever seen

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  63. Thanks for free advertisement. Anything is better than indifference.

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  64. Haha OG & sanju. ‘dhool3’—-just checked it- funny in a cheesy way–lol @ ‘topless khan’ & ‘untalented bachchan’
    Actually enjoyed it more than the ‘actual’ promo…it’s obviously a spoof only …

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  65. Hahaha yes. The topless Khan (but not Salman).

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  66. Chessy but somewhat funny. couple true things tho.

    Would uday be in this movie if he wasn’t “producers brother”?

    Would abhishek be in this movie if his last name wasn’t “bachhan” (may be untalented but still a bachhan)?

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    • actually without the genealogical connection 99% of present day stars wouldn’t be there! Leaving aside who one considers talented or not the problem is that without the genealogy that conversation doesn’t even begin! So forget Uday Chopra, hrithik wouldn’t be there either. The problem is partially the industry but far more the audience that is invested enough in genealogy not to give someone else a chance. You simply don’t go anywhere with the audience irrespective of the kind of film you do, irrespective of the kind of performance you put up without the genealogy. The last star that did so without this was Akshay. Aamir, Salman also had industry connections though this genealogy thing wasn’t an obsession when they debuted. SRK has no industry connections but was the well-known TV star of two hits shows. Only in Akshay do you find someone who had neither this sort of genealogy nor the modeling career that seems to be something of an enabler today (though mostly with women).

      And so as I’ve pointed out many times before people (leaving aside dishonest partisans) have it exactly the other way round. It’s not about Uday Chopra, it’s about Hrithik! The latter would be as much of a casualty as the former if he didn’t have the industry connection!

      Then of course there’s the more pragmatic element. Who’s really helped in real terms? Once again hrithik has the best support in his father because he gets important ventures in dicey situations. A name no matter how great is not the equivalent of this. Abhishek of course remains in a unique position because his burden is the most extraordinary one. As for whether he should be considered talented or not these discussions cannot be had with folks who couldn’t separate porn from performance! Or else that’s the only kind of performance they can recognize!

      Bollywood is largely a culture of Philistines on both sides of the equation. Most judgments at any level are therefore unsurprising.

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  67. I think SRK had said that during some painting release of MEA. I don’t think SRK father played extra in any films otherwise you’ll see those clips on youtube. No film connection.

    Agree with satyam that 99% of actors are related to film family but let’s say abhishek and HR are audtioning for new movies, 99% of the time HR will get it based on he has better body, dances better, looks better, has better screen presence, and depending on what type of role it is, will act batter.

    In one of intervie Shatru had said that in this industry either you become better then everybody or be different then everybody.

    Him being different then everybody helped him survive in the film industry.

    That was the beauty of old era where all actors kind of had their own identity. Be it dilip, raj, dev, raj kumar, rajendra kumar, shammi, shashi, rishi, sunil dutt, bachhan, rajesh, shatru, dharmendra, etcc…

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    • “but let’s say abhishek and HR are audtioning for new movies, 99% of the time HR will get it based on he has better body, dances better, looks better, has better screen presence, and depending on what type of role it is, will act batter.”

      but that’s irrelevant since that is clearly not the case here. It’s an imaginary position to say this. Of course as I’ve argued in the past the whole genealogy argument is simply an anti-Bachchan argument in disguise. No one ever had a problem when star-sons appeared in the 80s. No one has a had a problem since. From Fardeen Khan to Hrithik Roshan no one has a problem with anyone at any end of the genealogical spectrum. So allow me to laugh a little when folks get all concerned just with Abhishek. of course the ‘he can’t act’ argument is pretty absurd too given some of the work he’s done and given the esteem he’s held in by some of India’s top directorial talents. As for the looks thing based on those criteria Bachchan Sr would have been (and WAS) at a disadvantage with respect to Dharmendra or Rajesh Khanna or Shashi Kapoor. The problem though is that good looks in some traditional sense of the term and screen presence are two different things. Again most people today are too Philistine to understand these distinctions. But the more important point here is that even the issue of screen presence comes in relative to the terrain one is operating on. With Abhishek he’s for the most part not acting in a kind of cinema nor does he even occupy an industry where his kind of physicality is optimally served. So whether he does well in comedies or not (ironically over the years there were people arguing he couldn’t do comedy to now those who suggest he should only do comedy!) Dostana or some such thing isn’t ideal terrain for him. Nor is masala-comedy of the kind that is currently rampant necessarily so. With the star-actor of Yuva or Guru or DMD or whatever you need subjects and worlds consonant with his physicality. The rest of the stuff should serve as exception to the rule rather than the thing itself. It’s not about getting hits. He can get hits doing this stuff. But it would still be working at a disadvantage. One of the many reasons why I’ve always felt that he should be betting on a more authentic kind of masala, more narrative-oriented. The Dhoom kind of universe is really for plastic stars because it’s a plastic genre. Now there might just be a mismatch between him and his industry in this essential sense. One could certainly devise a career for him if one were Aamir that would ensure a high success rate without succumbing to the usual kind of Bollywood hit. However one still cannot argue against an entire age. There’s a kind of star who does very well by representing the age and a kind who does so by becoming the exception to the same. SRK is in the former camp, Aamir in the latter. This doesn’t necessarily mean the former will do better than the latter, clearly this hasn’t been the case for more than a decade now, but what it does mean is that the representative star always has a built-in advantage all else being equal.

      Getting back to the nepotism argument this is simply bunk. Totally in bad faith. I’ve already pointed out one of the reasons here. Those who don’t have an objection to anyone else. Of course this is yet another index of how Bachchan defines the field that so many arguments from the detractors are crafted precisely to argue against Bachchan SR or Jr or both! Whether they (the detractors) realize this completely consciously or not. As a larger matter this whole argument is bankrupt anyway when the same genealogical connections and found and celebrated everywhere else in Indian life from politics to corporations. No one has any issues in these cases! But let’s even leave this stuff behind. In our own ordinary lives we are perfectly happy to use the same modes of influence and family connections and what not at every end of the spectrum so here it’s really a case of sour grapes! We would all love to be where Bachchan Jr is. Much as the fans of Hrithik or SRK or whoever know that the transcendence of the Bachchan name cannot be ‘earned’ by anyone else! Finally the whole idea that some stars are more deserving of nepotism is on the face of it, and absurdly so, a contradiction in terms!

      As for Hrithik auditioning he must not have done this enough for Ratnam and some others.

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      • Satyam – I think u r little too-biased with abhi. Face it man. In plain words: Abhi to HR is what Vinod Khanna was to Big B. Neither Abhi nor VK were solo-successful-heroes. And please don’t bring n that acting factor here. Abhi hasn’t given any earth-shattering acting performance so far. In fact HR has: Watch Guzaarish or Lakshya or MK or even ZNMD.

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        • HR-Ratnam combo – why it hasn’t happened so far? perhaps because HR does a very few films. It is one combo which can work wonders.

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        • HR was fantastic as Akbar in JA and KMG/Krishh – who can do those better than him?

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          • He did full justice to Agnipath in his own way and everyone liked it.

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          • Actually i’d argue he was kept mostly under the radar in this film and while people praised him here as they do virtually anyone and everyone in a number of films I don’t believe he got anything special out of this one. The same holds of ZNMD. Forget the Abhishek comparison. he clearly doesn’t get out of his ‘roles’ what Ranbir does out of his. Whether rightly or wrongly no one considers Hrithik an ‘actor’ like Ranbir.

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          • Yes if one imagines the emperor as gym hero sure! Not sure if anyone could pick up the distinctions between HR in Dhoom versus HR in JA! Think I’ve made my point. On Krrish here I will agree that for the kind of subject this is Hrithik is certainly best placed to do the part. Much as MacGuire is better as Peter Parker than De Niro. Of course even here the ‘slow man’ act grates on one’s nerves.

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        • Idea, I know you’ll agree with me again once I start talking about Aamir!

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          • “Not sure if anyone could pick up the distinctions between HR in Dhoom versus HR in JA”

            Satyam – what r u smoking these days man?????? Akbar’s character and Dhoom’s character – u don’t see any difference??? Halelujah……..

            “Idea, I know you’ll agree with me again once I start talking about Aamir!”

            Because u analyse his career so well – i think the best of aamir-fans wud fail there. I am not talking abt just praise – but there we see a different satyam.

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          • “Akbar’s character and Dhoom’s character – u don’t see any difference??? ”

            yes I do.. just not in Hrithik’s ‘interpretations’..

            I should add in fairness though with respect to Gowariker’s own intentions that he based his film on the Amar Chitra Katha and hence always had a much more popularized version in mind. On the other hand his film is certainly not the equivalent of that series. It doesn’t have the playfulness of those retellings. Actually even for KHJJS more likely than note he had the Amar Chitra Katha in mind (there is a vol on Surya Sen) though here the film was even more earnest/serious. Ironically enough Lagaan is the only time that he’s really been in line with the spirit of that series (though of course the story isn’t based on one of these volumes). And it remains a great shame that with a corpus as large as the Amar Chitra Katha and on all sorts of subjects, that Bollywood hasn’t used these. Most of these volumes are already film scripts in the sense that little would have to be done to make them successful movies.

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          • Still haven’t seen KHJJS. Think it’s the only Abhishek film I’ve missed since Yuva. Not consciously, it just didn’t last very long here and then took forever to get a proper DVD release. This is a good reminder though.

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          • It’s not a film you’d like very much. But it has its moments and a few truly worthwhile scenes with Abhishek, specially at the very end. I perhaps liked it beyond its merits but as always Gowariker’s earnestness lets him down. Beyond this there are his usual visual woes as well as some of the pristine-looking sets and clothes and so on! Still for all this the film continues his Lagaan project at a thematic level (even if nothing else is necessarily similar).

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      • What movie is DMD?

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        • Dum Maaro Dum. Had some detailed thoughts on it at the time.

          Incidentally the point that people have consistently missed and for years is that I don’t really have a problem whether someone likes Abhishek or not, thinks he’s the best or worst actor or whatever. My arguments are usually about the politics of his reception and about the fairly absurd, inconsistent and downright dishonest criteria that many bring to the table when it comes to him (or the father in certain related respects). otherwise if one just said ‘I think he’s neither star nor actor’ or that ‘every other star in Bombay is preferable to him’ or whatever and moved on I wouldn’t have an issue with it. The way these arguments are framed though is a different matter altogether.

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          • Wow. You write very well. My honest opinion after reading this is that even Rohan Sippy would not have realized that he had made such a good movie nor would he have realized that he conveyed so many aspects in the movie. Nor would AbJr would have known he had given such a great performance. You should probably send them this piece and I am sure they would be completely clueless as I doubt they have the intelligence to appreciate your excellent writing skills.

            My take on the movie is unfortunately far less complimentary though I must admit I can never analyze the way you did here for any movie. I just see the movie and if it hits me, I like it, if it doesnt I forget about me. This movie didnt hit me. Never thought this was anything special. Thought it was a very average movie and didnt find the performances special too.

            Incidentally, I had loved Bluff-master when it released and had seen it like 3 times in the theatre. Still watch it when I get a chance. Lovely movie.

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          • thanks for the comment Krish. I have exchanged notes with Rohan Sippy from time to time on twitter.

            I like BM a lot too.

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          • prashant choksi Says:

            satyam, abhishek has given memorable performances in many of his films, what upset me right now, he is not doing the films for which I like him, right now he is going for bo success, I prefer him more in yuva, guru, dmd, sarkar rather than dhoom series.
            hr has better bo performances at later part, but according to me he is too much mechanical, I always found star hr in his performance rather than actor hr.

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  68. DHOOM CREATES BOOM: Will ‘Dhoom 3’ Have All Eyes On Aamir Khan?

    MUMBAI: If you haven’t already checked out the teaser trailer of this year’s most awaited film ‘Dhoom 3’, you are surely in a microscopic minority.

    The teaser (WATCH HERE) looks incredibly promising, and centers around the antagonist, played by Aamir Khan. Katrina Kaif reportedly plays his partner-in-crime as well as love interest, while Abhishek Bachchan and Uday Chopra reprise their cop roles from the previous two installments.

    While the teaser most surely reveals that the film is an action-packed adventure, what is interesting to note is that the sole focus seems to be on the villain i.e. Aamir Khan. Abhishek, Katrina and Uday have a blink-and-miss-it appearance in the first promo.

    The first ‘Dhoom’ film had featured John Abraham as the baddie, and ‘Dhoom 2′ saw Hrithik Roshan play the role. However, in both cases, publicity for the film was not centered around them per se, as we are seeing it focussed around Aamir this time around.

    Call it the ‘Aamir’ effect, but the official trailer of Yash Raj Films’ upcoming cop caper ‘Dhoom 3’ has already generated a whopping 7 million plus views, in a mere six days since it released! At last count, the trailer had amassed a mammoth 7 million+ views!

    http://businessofcinema.com/news/dhoom-creates-boom-will-dhoom-3-have-all-eyes-on-aamir-khan/102380

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  69. My simple point was that if i’m a producer, i’m taking HR over abhishek, 100 times out of 100 times. If the choice is between abhishek and uday chopra, i’m taking abhishek 100 times out of 100 times. All these other stuff about framed arguemnt, bad faith, etc..don’t have time for it, I’m not going to waste my life trying to bring down abhishek.

    Just because somebody doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re opinion is in bad faith.

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    • No some arguments are in bad faith ‘because’ they’re in bad faith. Not because anyone disagrees with me!

      On the rest herein lies the crucial error. No industry works by that logic. Yes the bigger star can always be recognized as such by way of obvious box office metrics and so on but the error lies in thinking that any industry uses only one kind of box office criterion or indeed that all films require the same criteria or for that matter that industries make decisions based solely on box office criteria at all!

      As an example (I won’t get into more encyclopedic ones here though I have done so in the past) let’s take the usual caricature on Abhishek that you too subscribe to. Let’s say he has minimal standing as a star or as actor, that’s not worth anything at all or only worth something relative to Uday Chopra who’s of course worth zero. And he’s also nothing in a physical sense. But he’s nonetheless getting all sorts of career options from serious to commercial directors, in the past and at present, because he has a certain name. Again I’m going to accept all of this at face value and not expose what amounts to a retarded logic behind this in multiple ways. I am just going to accept these claims. Well then, this too proves my point. If it’s only about rational business decisions defined in very limited and obvious ways he shouldn’t be around. If his name overrides this more rational logic well then it’s never only about the box office. If one is going to then claim that the industry is always rational except when it comes to Abhishek well this then has other consequences. It elevates his father even more. Which too is not something the same folks like because they’re otherwise busy deconstructing him in other retarded ways (each retarded set of claims nonetheless does not follow the same logic).

      Ha! This is too easy. I shouldn’t beat up on you guys so much. As they say in those old masala films come back with some more friends. Don’t make it this easy for me! Either come back after you’ve grown up or come back with a 100 more. I am not the genius here. It’s just that this sort of absurd logic is pretty easy to pick apart even in one’s sleep!

      I should say that since CE and not surprisingly with the sudden emergence of certain kinds of fans who’ve actually been saying the very same stuff they were 10 or 15 years ago or whatever some of these conversations here are getting rather repetitive and really ruining things in certain ways. I too have contributed to it because again being a masala lover I can never quite resist a ‘beat ’em up’. Nonetheless for the good of the forum I should withdraw from these sorts of silly discussions for a while. It;s better if I just monitor the problem and try to moderate it as opposed to contributing to it!

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      • Typical post which goes round in circle with nothing new to offer besides calling names to anybody who doesn’t support abhisekh.

        Let’s just make this super easy and say paying public is the final decider and none of us needs to be genius to figure out what paying public thinks of SRK and Abhishek…

        I’m a die hard fan of masala and you kind of remind me of Shakti Kapoor who gets beat up in every fight yet at the end of the fight says “Dekh loonga”…

        Again, I’m not hear to degrade abhisekh and i for sure won’t spend my life degrading somebody. You talk more about SRK then SRK fans do, Life is too short for that type of BS…

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        • whatever makes you happy.. it’s hard to say too much beyond a point to those who hibernate when SRK doesn’t have a top grosser. I wouldn’t be using the Shakti Kapoor analogy if I were you but then irony bites you on the nose everyday without you realizing it. Let’s move on..

          On a more serious note however not sure what the paying public ‘thinks’ means for any serious debate. The paying public thought more of Schwarzenegger than Stallone. It thinks more of Will Smith than Ryan Gosling. So what?!

          The paying public was fine with Abhishek too as long as he kept pleasing them. Much as the paying public wasn’t with SRK when it was about Dil Se or Asoka or Swades or whatever. I’ve said this before though. the Abhishek that is now shaping up will make fans like me unhappy and anti-Abhishek folks even more unhappy. Of course they’ll then pretend Abhishek has sold his soul and isn’t doing the serious stuff anymore! The advantage to the dishonesty game is that one can keep being so.

          Anyway I’ve already said more than I intended to!

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          • The way Abhishek bachchan is shaping up now is useless in the sense that it makes fans like you happy and doesn’t improve his BO viability. If D3 works, critics and people will give all the credit to Aamir and ignore Abhishek anyways. Getting big grossers in multistarrers won’t help you with solos. Look at John Abraham-Housefull 2 and Race 2. Then he does a solo with Me aur main crap and then Shootout. But MC worked. The two commerical movies didn’t work for him even after having 2 100+ grossers but the good off beat movie did. Govinda had hits with multistarrers Bhagam Bhag and partner and then he went solo and delivered the flop Do Knot Disturb.

            Then again multistarrers helped Saif Ali Khan with DCH and KHNH. But he pulled out some excellent performances in those, not dhoom like performances. KANK was a good way to go but d3 doesn’t seem like it will give him the opportunity to pull a KANK. HNY may do it for him, comedy is one of his fortes.

            Abhishek should stick to doing the Yuva/Guru/Paa and even KHJJS type movies because he is excellent in those and people will hold a Game disaster against him more than a KHJJS disaster. KHJJS made 4 crores and I was one of those people who helped it make 4 crores. I mostly went to see it because of the Surya Sen story but I knew that Abhishek would do a good job with the role.

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          • I was one of those too for KHJJS. So we have something in common after all!

            Actually you haven’t been reading my comments. I am not at all happy with most of these commercial choices. Hope the combined effect of the box office here and specially the Shukla lead to better things for him. I’ve been in it for the right films irrespective of the box office. And so I can live with some of the compromises as long as these lead to better stuff. Otherwise he could be doing a Salman Khan and I’d be completely indifferent!

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          • ” the Abhishek that is now shaping up will make fans like me unhappy and anti-Abhishek folks even more unhappy.”

            totally wrong, now he is reduced to the likes of uday chopra in dhoom and in HNY he will be what shreyas talpede was in OSO…

            I’m not anti-abhishek, i’m more anti to those posts where abhishek 30 crore grosser is treated like some sort of path breaking , game changer stuff while for other actors, 100 crore, 150 crore, 200 crore is talked about as it’s nothing. I’m anti to where abhishek medicore movies are treated like MEA.

            It’s fine to think highly of fav actors medicore movies or treat flop mmovies as some sort of blockbuster but is it necessary to bring down all other actors?

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          • actually I expect him to get the better of SRK in HNY. Much more confident here than Dhoom. I was the same for BB as well. And there’s some history here. Even most of the critics preferred Abhishek in KANK and that was a supporting role. Not worried about HNY at all. Sure the media narrative will remain negative but that’s not new. Would I have recommended these particular choices? No. And for more than one reason.

            On the rest one you have to learn to read first. I’ve consistently said the same things at every point. Unlike folks like yourself I don’t change my tune based on how the film does. So everyone praised him for BB, he got the credit, he got the success, even though I didn’t mind the film I hardly ever mention it in any context. The same goes for stuff like D3 and HNY. Even if he got credit and so forth I still wouldn’t be celebrating them (unless the films surprised me in some other way). And this has always been true. I have always celebrated a certain kind of Abhishek outing. Not just anything. That ‘anything goes’ logic has never quite worked out for me. Of course I don’t want to confuse you with this more principled stance.

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          • Let’s see about HNY, I feel like they will play off each other and both excel.

            And I did read your comments, which is why I said
            “The way Abhishek bachchan is shaping up now is useless in the sense that it makes fans like you happy and doesn’t improve his BO viability. ”

            The commercial path he’s been taking makes fans like you unhappy.

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          • missed the typo there.. you wrote ‘happy’ instead of ‘unhappy’.

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          • will agree though that I think SRK and Abhishek could have good chemistry together. This was something KANK couldn’t explore but they also have a good off-screen relationship and this sort of thing helps. Of course even in your scenario a ‘tie’ goes to him. I’m never worried about him getting overshadowed in these contests provided the role is the right one. In Dhoom though there was an imbalance in the second one. Abhishek was asleep at the switch too in some ways but the film was just given over to the villain. D3 looks to be continuing that so far but let’s what the rest holds. I do agree with one of the write-ups that suggested that even D2 didn’t have this kind of lopsided advertising at any level. In fact it was totally fair on that score. While things might be different going forward for the D3 campaign the signs so far haven’t been good.

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          • Woah big error, I wrote happy when I meant to say unhappy!

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          • Unless SRK is playing a special appearance in HNY he will have a very meaty role. He does one movie a year, and this is a followup to CE so he will not compromise on the role or on the overall movie. The movie was supposed to start with AB Sr also not sure what role he was supposed to play, maybe the Boman Irani role. If this is indeed a comedy, i think SRK and ABJr can really have a very good chemistry as off the screen they are genuinely fond of each other.
            On KANK, one of my observations even when I saw the movie was that SRK’s character was meant not to be liked on screen. He was the guy with issues, was the one with short temper, the one with a permanent scowl, had issues with everyone and he was meant to be the guy to be disliked. Abhishek was meant to be the exact opposite guy in the sense that he was the perfect husband, was good, considerate, loving to his wife and yet he was the guy who was dumped by Rani.

            One of the reasons the movie didnt do well was KJo couldnt really explain why Rani left who was possibly the ‘perfect husband’ for someone like SRK who was imperfect in every sense. ABJr’s character was the exact polar opposite of SRK’s character and in a queer way their character and performances were linked. If SRK’s had not made his character so hateful, we wouldnt have found Ab Jr’s character so lovable and the sympathy factor for getting dumped would have not been there. Hence I do feel that Abhisheks performance was liked so much was also because SRK’s performance was good enough to ensure that the audience disliked his character. I said somewhere earlier that KANK was the last AbJr performance I truly liked but SRK was very good for his part too. I thought most of the critics didnt understand SRK’s character and were harsh on him. I thought he played his part very well

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          • I don’t think that highly of the SRK performance here (or for that matter the Abhishek one.. nothing special really) but I’d disagree with the point you’re making to this extent. I don’t think the audience saw SRK’s act here as some triumph of performance. They just thought he was out of his element. It’s not as if they really liked the nasty type he was playing as an act and then decided they didn’t want to see him in such roles.

            On the rest I wouldn’t be crazy enough to argue that SRK doesn’t have a proper role in HNY. But Farah has gone out of her way to say it isn’t the regular hero role and that SRK was brave to do it and so on. I think SRK is usually challenged maintaining his energy in a role where he doesn’t play to type. Few exceptions to this. The other way to look at it is that he doesn’t have the subtlety as a performer to interest the audience if he’s not energetic enough. But in any case I was hardly arguing that he wouldn’t have a proper role here. This was the KANK problem as well and for that matter the Swades one (though I liked him at points here). He was much better in CDI. The best use of SRK in this sense remains Dil Se.

            On the rest surprised you like KANK more than Guru (this came later).

            What I will agree with and this is a problem Abhishek hasn’t solved yet and it isn’t solved necessarily by certain kinds of hits is that he hasn’t excited the audience in a very long time. It might be that he piles up enough commercial success doing this sort of stuff to get there. But it might also be that he needs a redefining film at some point. If I were to bet I’d say it’s the latter. But I can’t blame him if he wants to get to a better box office position in the meantime (even if again these wouldn’t have been my choices).

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          • It is like saying that amrish puri played the part so well and thats why the hero was loved!

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          • @krish very well said on KANK. SRK’s character was never supposed to be liked, it was a negative character but not a flamboyant one like in Don. It was a very gutsy move by SRK to take up this one. Not one mainstream star in the hindi industry has ever attempted a role like this one. This is one of SRK’s best acting stints. I was hoping that he would get national award for this one and MNIK but didn’t happen. May be these characters will be recognized as great/exceptional some 100 years from now.

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          • If there was ever one movie I thought SRK would win the National Award for it’s Swades. But that didn’t happen and it was pretty disgusting that it didn’t. Saif won it for Hum Tum. Had it been for a Being Cyrus or Omkara type role I would have been okay with it but it was Hum Tum! Dirty politics. Might as well give Ranbir the award this year for YJHD.

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  70. I think the reading of kank by ‘krish’ above is somewhat similar to mine on kank…
    And I don’t know anyone who shared my view …
    KANK had flaws galore but was the only real attempt made by kjo to go beyond his mush…it fell short of a v good film
    But had its moments!

    “One of the reasons the movie didnt do well was KJo couldnt really explain why Rani left who was possibly the ‘perfect husband’ for someone like SRK who was imperfect in every sense”
    @ ‘krish’–am forced to say u have lifted my thoughts there– this is my comment lol

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    • In fact, KJo stuck to his typical illogical sense of romance. When the raison d’etre of the illicit affair is itself so flawed, how the heck can the script survive beyond that?

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  71. Satyam I think you are taking this abhi-thing little over-board. I don’t think anyone means to bring him down or show him in poor light but the situation becomes complex when u start trying to put him above HR and even RK under the pretext that these guys have just good looks and/or chiseled bodies and no acting skills! What is that man? Abhi has been given the longest rope i guess in this industry by God/luck/producers/and whatever u call it but he has manged to survive and that’s it – survive. No big deal. Why can’t u just take that as it is? What Abhi has deep inside – even HR and RK have deep inside and if u see Guzaarish or Barfi – u should know. Big B turned the most crappiest of the scripts into BO success and he acted very well in all this. Now if u argue that Abhi had this burden to bear – to give BO hits – so what? it is a burden one is expected to bear and one has to deliver. I honestly consider DRONA as his biggest mistake. He could have hired a world-class physical trainer / he could have dragged his parents during the script-session and said “Hey folks! here is a film which can do a KMG/KRISSH for me. So guide me at the script level”. He did nothing of that sort and the disaster which one saw was horrendous. And he has repeated the same mistake a zillion time in his career. He may never be able to reach the success of HR or RK and he mostly will be consider on the lines of Vinod Khanna or at the most Rishi Kapoor (he gave many solo-hits though). And if u insist on that acting stuff – Manoj Bajpai has proved his metal in more films than abhi and he stands out in each film he does evenif he is not a solo-lead. Let abhi reach first the heights (?) of saif ali khan (despite lot of solo-hits to his credits – he is still not considered a bankable solo-hero!)

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    • I think you are a bit confused like some of the others here. I tend not to argue on ‘facts’ even if others do (!). So my argument isn’t about the box office. On everything else I stand by what I said and I would maintain those views on hrithik or whoever irrespective of whether Abhishek was around or not! Similarly these are my views on Abhishek. No one has to agree with me. I certainly don’t agree with all of you and I don’t particularly care how many there are on your side. Questions of judgment and taste aren’t resolved by numbers! Only in India is this even a controversial statement! Secondly it doesn’t exactly require deep human intelligence to accept someone as successful who ‘is’ very successful at the box office! Presumably lesser species could also come up with such Pavlovian responses! Similarly judging acting is a very different thing from judging the box office. Again one can disagree entirely with me and if my views seem offensive one has only to skip them. But I shall be making them as and when I desire. Folks like yourself will just have to live with them or keep getting offended. Your call!

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    • prashant choksi Says:

      who says ab hasn’t given solo hit , bnb, bluffmaster, guru were his solo hits, when you count znmd and agneepath were hits, then they were not the solo hits by hr, we are not putting ab above hr or rk, rightnow, rk is in full form, I seriously believe that the way he is going, he will dominate industry in coming years, as far as ab is concerned he has given many remarkable performances like yuva, guru, sarkar, dostana, bluffmaster, sarkar raj, delhi 6, paa, dmd, etc. so, don’t write him off now, he has all the potential to become leading star of industry. and his last release bol bachchan was super hit, he has played his part quite efficiently.

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      • This is an old debate. When Abhishek was in a strong position the media and the partisans came up with all sorts of excuses to ‘deny’ this narrative. Not that the industry depends on this. The producers are distributors are not exactly swayed by what Taran writes. they know whether they’ve made money or not. But the larger point is that this has always been a ridiculously biased narrative. Which is why I never take this stuff seriously. One can say a lot of things about where he is or where he’s been but it can’t about with the kind of dishonest framing we’ve usually seen on him.

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        • prashant choksi Says:

          hr’s 100 cr movie agneepath was not solo, sanjay dutt played major part, even more than hr, when ab’s film bol bachchan has entered 100 cr club, they are saying that it was not solo, ajay devgan was there, even in znmd, abhay deol and farhan akthar were instrumental, and strong point of the film, now, grand masti has got extraordinary opening at bo, now, what you will tell that is the star power of riteish, vivek. besides stars, initial also depends on the genre, talaash will never get dhoom 3 type of initials. you take any hero in khjjs, opening will not bumper. unfortunate for ab that it has come after the raavan debacle, in my opinion If dmd has come after raavan, then dmd’s numbers might be higher.

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  72. ^Some good points, idea…

    “RUSH”– think this is on F1 rivalry ..
    Btw have never bothered for hemworth in Thor…
    But may catch this one –if reviews good


    Actually there was a forgettable saif F1 film -dont remember which.
    Ps: another ‘sin’ I love–(over)speeding when I can 🙂

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  73. You can sense that most people are way too harsh with Abhishek. He is a fine actor who has delivered some fine performances right from his first film- Refugee, to Yuva, BNB, Guru, Bluffmater, Sarkar, DMD. Some of these are solo hits that depended on his performance.

    You will probably notice that the guys who constantly bring up HR being better than Abhishek in D2 probably prefer to ignore that in MPKDH, the latter in a half baked supporting role was better than HR. And the non-actor that Abhishek is supposed to be, still managed to steal the thunder from SRK in KANK.

    So, given the right scope, he can excel. Devgan gave him decent scope in BB and the movie benefitted from that. It was the same in Dostana where it is obvious who the real actor is between Abhishek and John Abraham.

    However, I am not too sure about the scope he will get in HNY. There are 2 reasons behind that:

    1. SRK likes to work in films made for him and he usually works under banners very close to him to get these kinds of movies. I am not too sure he is going to be willing to compromise. He is very different from Devgan in that sense.

    He showed how machiavelic he can be from the very beginning during the making of Darr. Remember Aamir preferred to stay away when he felt something was not right, but SRK was willing to play the game all the way.

    2. SRK post Chennai Express is hot proposition, so I can’t see him accepting anything lesser than him being the limelight.

    But then given decent scope and the right role, I can see Abhishek comfortably holding his own in this terrain.

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    • prashant choksi Says:

      largely I agree, it was tailor made role for hr in dhoom 2, perhaps ab has got weakest role of his career, why this solo hit or non-solo hit, even aamir’s most successful films were not solo, film is team work, star only can bring initial, rest depends on the content and connectivity to audience. I think ab has given more than decent performance in many films, why so much harsh or critical of him, and I admit that post raavan he is not the big star, he was prior to the movie, I really feel that he has selected some poor movies like drona, game, khjjs. now, he is fresh from the success of bol bachchan, in which he has given excellent performance, still his critics are not appreciating that, it is right to be critical to him when he fails, one should have enough courage to appreciate him on his success.

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  74. For whatever this is worth : Aamir to play a double role in D3.

    http://fenilandbollywood.com/2013/09/23/aamir-khan-has-a-double-role-in-dhoom-3/

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    • sounds like a wild rumor..!

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      • Its all over the papers today. India today is carrying it now. Maybe its true.

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        • that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Once a rumor pops up it shows up everywhere. No one bothers to ascertain independently whether it’s true or not. But I do hope it isn’t true in any case. Because this sort of gimmick can often make a script go haywire. The last time Bollywood tried this with Akayla it wasn’t a very good idea! You need a proper masala script to make this sort of double work.

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        • It’ll be cool if it’s one of those scenario where both are bad but nobody knows there are two of them and cops are always frustrated by not knowing how he goes from one place to another so fast…

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          • yeah that is the Akayla scenario. The thing though is that you need enough of a masala script to keep a distinction between the two characters. They did this in Akayla but the villain just didn’t have enough gravitas. With the Dhoom kind of thing there’s not enough latitude in the narrative to develop these things. I’d still be surprised if this is true but stranger things have happened!

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          • having said that the stories seem to suggest that such a twist will be revealed at the very end. If this is true it won’t be a double throughout the film but only in retrospect. If done this way it might not be a bad idea. Again assuming they build it up cleverly enough through the film and it doesn’t come across as an absurd afterthought later on. We saw in the new Don for instance where to not go along completely with the original thing they reversed things and this was simply ridiculous. So as opposed to Vijay playing Don you had Don playing Vijay playing Don! LOL! Of course in that revelation moment with SRK walking those hospital corridors vampire-like, holding the other SRK’s body, in those very green-hued scenes, one could have been forgiven for believing that one had showed up for a horror remake of some sort!

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          • Only thing i’m hoping is for aamir charechter to not be a poet where he is reciting poetry thru out the movie.

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          • He does especially in Yash Raj movies 😉 Fanaa

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          • Yeah, but Fanaa was that type of movie and it fit the role he had for the first half of the movie.

            I also wonder if the whole movie will take place in chicago or multiple countries. I assume multiple countries.

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          • I put up that image of Bachchan visiting Dilip Kumar in the box office thread yesterday.

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          • I hope it is not all style. I detest slow motions (especially walks towards camera).

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          • For expecting substance here you might be a much more optimistic person than I am! I do expect the best script of the series but that’s not saying much!

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          • I actually liked the twist of Don in the end. In fact that was the only thing I have liked in the whole Don series till now which otherwise was very very poor. The twist was in a sense true to the spirit of “Don ko pakadna mushkil hi Nahin, Namunkin hai”. Otherwise Don 1 was very bad bar the ending twist but after seeing Don 2 which was so hammy , Don 1 seemed like a classic.

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          • I must say I preferred the second Don. Because it seemed to be free of the whole remake burden and just operated like a regular genre thriller. Can’t say it was scintillating even doing this but it was watchable. On the other hand the first one was impossible to stomach for the most part. On the twist agreed it was a surprise but my point is it was an absurd one! Oddly enough it was in the tradition of a certain kind of campy spy/suspense genre of the early to mid 70s where often the revelation at the end was unexpected but also profoundly absurd.

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  75. Which Film has Better Chances Of Beating Chennai Express? Krrish 3 Or Dhoom 3

    Tuesday 24th September 2013 09.00 IST

    Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network

    Q. Which film has better chances of beating Chennai Express? Krrish 3 or Dhoom 3

    A. The craze for Krrish is unprecedented, it will be surprise if its not biggest grosser ever. Dhoom 3 probably has chances to beat Chennai Express but it may not be chasing Chennai Express but a higher number of Krrish.

    Amar Chanana

    Q. Can Grand Masti gross 100 crore nett?

    A. Will finish at around 90 crore nett.

    S. Patkar

    Q. Can it be that Besharam will have low opening due to music not working? Some in trade expect Besharam to do 10 or 15 and Boss to do 20 crore?

    A. Chennai Express music also did not work. Ranbir Kapoor is a huge star with the city multiplex audience and that will ensure a big first day number. After that it depends on film. Besharam will have higher opening day than Boss.

    C. Patel

    Q. What is the final business of Madras Cafe?
    A. Will finish at a little under 43 crore nett.

    A. Vohra

    http://www.boxofficeindia.com/youdetail.php?page=shownews&articleid=6093&nCat=

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  76. “He does especially in Yash Raj movies Fanaa”—
    Agree munna–aamir got all the lines and choicest poetry in fanaa( will share it someday!)
    But inspite of that, the ‘blind’ Kajol who had been looted of all dialogue, emoted well & actually trumped aamir in some key scenes, imo…

    Ps: Satyam –what did u think of madras cafe (& your secret viewing of g.and masti!)

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    • Didn’t mind Madras Cafe. certainly a good one time watch. But it wasn’t anything special in any sense. It was two different films in some ways but it did quite well when it stayed on the thriller track in the second half. Yahaan was superior if memory serves though I preferred Madras Cafe to Vicky Donor where I couldn’t quite understand what all the fuss was about. Do agree with GF that John Abraham was kind of alright here though perhaps it helped to have Nargis Fakhri as foil in the plausibility sweepstakes!

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    • satyam – i have missed ur piece on Fanaa if u wrote one. Many people wrote that Kajol stole the show from aamir – however I don’t think so. Both complemented each other in a superb way. B.O. pov – if Fanaa released today – it would beat CE hands down.

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  77. How was nargis fakhris work ?
    And Satyam –don’t be shy !! Reliable sources have spotted u watching g.and masti!! U are behaving as if uve been caught by your girlfriend pants down with another gal!!
    C’mon be a man !! 🙂

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  78. AamirsFan Says:

    and now…the game trailer of Dhoom 3:

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    • damn it – that bank-vault scene is a straight lift from MI? We are going nowhere with this so far. K3 and D3 are hell-bent to dish out crap teasers and promos

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      • the D3 official theatrical trailer is supposed to release in 5 days per bollywood hungama. so lets see how that is. My expectations for D3 is at an all-time low at the moment (maybe that’s a good thing).

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      • Yayy.. Aamir Khan has also plagiarized!!

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  79. thecooldude Says:

    kick ass,……300 CR club will have it’s first member.

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  80. Impressive. They don’t seem to have ‘over-done’; at least the special effects – except for the one with Aamir doing a reverse Spider-man which is poor..

    And going by the trailer, looks like AB Jr again might have gotten a raw deal..can’t say much with certainty though..hope the second trailer shows much of AB Jr. This is not about AB Jr who i hardly care about – it is just in such movies – you NEED to have a proper face-off; otherwise it makes things tedious and dumb – like D2. That was a RIDICULOUSLY one-sided affair. You cannot attain glory in Deewar as Vijay if Ravi were to play nth fiddle to him..Inspite of AB’s outstanding act, the ONE line that is today mimicked/used/abused after almost 40 years is Ravi’s ‘ Mere Paas Maa Hain.’ That’s what good script-writing is. Not making ‘porn’ the way D2 was with HR playing nothing but a porn star playing ‘be-all’ and ‘cum-all.’

    AK stands out; he is wonderfully controlled and subdued from the promos; that will be a good wash-off for his supposed lack of ‘physique’ necessary for plastic actioners..

    One thing is sure, AK could really make a difference to this one..

    Having said that, there is an OBVIOUS hangover of The Dark Knight what with Chi-town’s high-rise rooftops and and the Joker references..good to see AK romancing KK by the beanie at Millennium park!!

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    • & by the way, Uday SHOULD be thankful that he has gotten a raw deal…at least..

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    • From the look of things this seems to affirm that this series is really about the villain. Abhishek and Uday are obviously a common thread but increasingly irrelevant, at least if one is going by the promos and the way the film will inevitably be written about. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future, the Dhoom series continues with a new pair of buddy cops and a revolving door of stylized villains.

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      • I’d agree. It’s a very effective trailer and dispels any doubts that the advertising before this has created. But it’s an Aamir show all the way and at this point I’d be surprised if a D2-like deal did not materialize in the final product. Rather disappointing in this sense since I obviously expected more of a face-off this time around and less of a D2 repetition. This time the villain even has a masala backstory added! Hard to see what the cop can do in this framing! Unlike the first one he doesn’t even have moments with his spouse anymore and so he really has to keep showing up in a somewhat monotonous way. Did like a couple of the moments they seem to share here but it would be surprising if this extremely lopsided advertising led to a rather balanced film! On this score even the D2 comparable trailer was balanced. Whatever people said after watching that film they weren’t saying it after that trailer.

        On the film itself though the highest benchmarks are easily on for this one. One might have had doubts going by some of the previous stuff but this trailer creates the impact. And Aamir of course has the Hirani next! Have been reading some of the comments. One might quibble here and there but overall I think Aamir is totally fine in the trailer.

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        • I wouldn’t care if it were anyone else but an actor with Abhishek’s gifts shouldn’t waste his time on a role that will win him little more than a bunch of predictable comments about how dour he looks.

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          • yeah I’m mystified that he’s done this all over again. The film could have more of a face-off than the trailer suggests but it would have to be some face-off to dispel this sort of one-sided advertising! And again it doesn’t stand to reason that one makes a balanced film but prefaces it with the most imbalanced advertising! On Abhishek with BB or even now with HNY (where SRK claims it’s not a hero film for him and Farah Khan says the same and also that Abhishek has a double) you at least understand why in pursuit of the box office an actor might make multistarrer compromises where he at least has a shot at getting the most out of it. But if it’s a repeat of D2 there’s no point to it because it doesn’t advance the narrative in any sense whatsoever.

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          • will say though that the moments he does have here seem better than the D2 ones, at least the ones we saw in the film. The scenes just seem better and he looks good as well. Perhaps the film will have more of this stuff and I’ll have less reason to be disappointed!

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          • Yeah, there there’s no real off-screen subtext informing his encounter with Aamir. Hrithik and Abhishek were peers, significant stars meeting for the first time so there was something a bit more enticing that colored their pairing. But with Abhishek and Aamir you’re really relying on what’s onscreen and Abhishek will at least physically register as more powerful. Don’t think this will salvage anything, though. Best case scenario for Abhishek I think is that this will be a nominal hit for him and that at least in a superficial sense it will add some credibility to the argument that he’s getting the box office points he needs to do the movies that matter. In any case, I’m willing to be surprised though as always, Dhoom is not the series I’ll be hanging my hat on for quality on the part of Abhishek or anyone else for that matter!

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          • hard to disagree with anything here..

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        • I think abhi looks good here and he will have a good role also.

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    • “Having said that, there is an OBVIOUS hangover of The Dark Knight what with Chi-town’s high-rise rooftops and and the Joker references”
      precisely what i was thinking – they could have come up with some different setups here…….even that bank-vault scene (shown in the game version) is a lift from MI….

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  81. Satyam, pls transfer the comments, referencing the latest trailer, from the other Images thread to here.

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  82. A step up from the teaser, hits the right notes, even though Aamir looks weird in some of the shots here. Out of place in terms of the physique although this looks to be the first Dhoom villain that asks its star to act.

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  83. some earlier comments:

    Pradip:

    Satyam, time to wake up and put this on top. This is indeed astounding and wipes away all bad posters damage. There is a lot in this 2:46 minute trailer and requires multiple viewing.

    Rooney:

    Disappointing. ( Though will comment after multiple views )

    1) Aamir’s height seems a bit deterrent in certain scenes. And i feel if theres a man to man combat he will easily thunder over Aamir!!

    2) Kat’s play seems minimal, Aish was a bigger highlight in trailer of D2. No dialogues for kat.

    3) Seems to have stronger emotional arc than previous two flicks.

    4) Abhisekh makes the Jai character quite boring, one note expressions.

    5) What’s with the jurisdiction issues? What does Mumbai Police have to do with a theft in America ? and American Swat obeying or behaving as if Abhisekh and Uday are some super cops!

    6) Aamir’s star power and looks only seems to be saving grace.

    7) Looks awesome.

    8) Still expected more.

    Pradip:

    Only Joker could get away with short stature or any other physical/ mental uniqueness and so Aamir’s height doesn’t seem to be a deterrent at all.
    Again it requires multiple viewing..

    NyKavi:

    Much better than the teaser. Aamir overshadows as expected. Katrina looks sizzling as was expected. Production values seem to be quite high, no expenses spared apparently. But, I seriously hope that Abhi doesn’t walk through the entire movie with that irritating scowl on his face.

    Idea:

    Finally a fine trailer to compensate with all nonsense teasers/promos. I loved this. EQ is very high – and credit to aamir for that. Well for the rest – it looks to have a strong script as well and then u have Dhoom masalas – now I am happy with the promotions. Let the marketing genius take over. Dhoom is gonnar rock.

    Tyler:

    ROFL – this sequel looks dumber than all the others combined especially since the action is in Chicago. Yeah, the US police will let Indian police take over jurisdiction.

    They should have based the movie in India or some other banana republic.

    The action sequences are so obviously fake. Still this trailer looks better than K3.

    Genesis:

    really good trailer.

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  84. I think there is much more of a face off between the thief and the cop in this trailer than there was in D2’s. Of course, there was always going to be more of Aamir. But there are dialogues from both and at least certain scenes suggest that there is going to be some kind of clash. The clash was almost non-existant in D2 and it was mostly about the love story of a thief.

    I do believe that Abhishek will come off better here than in D2. And the trailer has only re-inforced that belief.

    Aamir’s presence takes things to another level really.

    It is a very good trailer. Looking forward to the movie now.

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    • Finally something of some substance. I’d have less Aamir and more Abhishek/Katrina in this trailer.
      The first shot of Aamir is stupid. I mean it’s OK if you ARE spiderman but Aamir is not.
      Much better than K3 – let the GAMES BEGIN!

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      • yes this is easily better than even the longer Krrish trailer (which was the best of the lot). And even otherwise this is extremely effective in every sense.

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  85. Have to agree about the irritating scowl Satyam

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  86. Drona redux?

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  87. KJo Tweets:
    So if DHOOM doesn’t release a single unit after this it won’t matter….I just felt a 400 crore adrenalin Rush!!! DHOOM MACHA DIYA and HOW!!

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  88. “Hrithik and Abhishek were peers, significant stars meeting for the first time so there was something a bit more enticing that colored their pairing.”

    Well i guess they did that Barjatya film together! I even forgot the name… where again the heroine was taken home by Hrithik..

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    • I don’t even think Barjatya remembers the name.

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    • But there Abhishek was always meant to have a supporting role (though he was the show-stealer here in what was otherwise a loss for everyone). The film was Man prem Ki deewani hoon. It was a poor remake of their older Chitchor.

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    • actually barjatya tried a remake of one of his old hits – nadiya ke par or something: “Main prem ki diwani hoon” – the film was not that bad but somewhere things went wrong – one was the songs were not catchy quite unlike barjatya’s life-savers in other films…..second was kareena – she was not the right choice for the film…..abhi was in fact more effective here in some scenes than HR

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  89. A top notch trailer. The production values are good. This one is going to be huge. Aamir Khan is without doubt a game changer :).

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  90. Liked the trailer.
    First off, Acharya seems to have made a regular film,not something whacky like Tashan.
    Aamir’s look here seems to be modelled on Neil Caffrey from Whitecollar! He does look a bit over-botoxed in some scenes but otherwise is quite effective.Abhi looks the fittest he has ever looked and SFX are not significantly different than Hollywood movies. It has become a fashion to dismiss SFX in Indian movies which are fst catching up if not quite there. It gets a little annoying when people constantly bring up Hollywood in this respect. In a way, almost as annoying as claims that there are Hollywood standard SFX!
    There is no doubt this will be a crowd puller.
    Just hope there is a more balanced faceoff between Aaamir and Abhi.

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    • ” It has become a fashion to dismiss SFX in Indian movies which are fst catching up if not quite there. It gets a little annoying when people constantly bring up Hollywood in this respect. In a way, almost as annoying as claims that there are Hollywood standard SFX!”

      Agree with this completely. Everything seemed awesome to me and I watch Hollywood big budget movies. Now imagine what people who don’t watch Hollywood movies must think.

      Everyone looks awesome, but I almost laughed when Abhishek and Aamir were face to face because of the height difference. Music should be good.

      But the “Fun” quotient in D2 seems missing, this movie has a more serious tone. Let’s see how that works out. Also, the coolness quotient of the Villain is definitely missing but Aamir makes up for it in his own way.

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    • The biggest problem with the FX is that they still haven’t managed to make Katrina appear like an actress. They might do well to consult with Pixar.

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    • More seriously, the effects here aren’t bad at all, it’s cut more energetically than Krrish, so that certainly helps. But also the effects here are not servicing some crazy fantastical vision, they’re married to pretty routine stunt-work for the most part.

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  91. Definitely an effective trailer, seems like an older school masala film than the soulless gunk of D2…

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  92. About abhi.

    I feel that he is doing pretty well in making the most of what comes his way. But his efforts tend to get undermined. As long as he can compensate a dhoom with a DMD i think he is doing pretty fine. And unlike what a few folks said, i feel that Dhoom without him would be incomplete.

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  93. Except first shot of walking under Helicopter, Abhishek looking perfect in every sense in this promo .. He is looking Fit, dialogue delivery is superb .. stunts are okay.

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    • And I am pretty sure Abhi got a better deal than D2 here .. though will not be at par with Dhoom1 where he had equal or even better footage than John.

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  94. The fathers should be swapped between D3 and K3, just saying…

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  95. AamirsFan Says:

    My hope has been restored for this film. Though I don’t know why some people are surprised that Abhishek seems to be sidelined in this trailer. When you have Aamir Khan in a film, you have to capitalize on the star status and promote a guy like him.

    Hopefully there are more scenes like “chor aur police ki sirf dushmani hoti hai.” Also keep in mind, this is NOT Aamir’s terrain. This is completely different from what he has done in the past.

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    • I just don’t like the face expressions of the leads.

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    • fair point but the problem is that if you have a film about a face-off which is what this franchise has always been then the imbalance becomes an issue. The first Dhoom was fine. The second Dhoom was problematic. And I’ve always believed it’s a box office issue as well. Because the story never quite acquires the right emotional resonance without a proper face-off. It becomes simply glorified eye candy, enough to make it the biggest grosser or whatever but not something genuinely memorable (for that terrain) and more importantly the box office gets limited. I’ve always felt that D2 could have done a 100 in ’06 as opposed to the 85 it ended up with. The latter seemed huge because it was way ahead of everything else including Krrish which released the same year. But it’s a question of whether you want to make do with 450 on Avengers if 620 is possible. 450 is still more than pretty much every other film but 620 reveals the true potential here. Secondly precisely because you have Aamir in the film and precisely because it’s the third film in a hit franchise that they could have stayed true to the potential here (assuming the film is like the trailer). In other words who says ‘we will only show up for Dhoom 3 if Aamir is there throughout in the trailer and not if he’s there just 50% of the time’?! Jay I think said this but I agree that Katrina should have had more in this trailer too. I am not a fan of hers at all but if you take her in a film you have to justify her at every step. If it doesn’t matter why take her at all? Consider how the great Desai did things. Bachchan vehicles all of those important films and yet every other actor was justified. Could Sinha really have said he got a raw deal in Naseeb? Forget the lead stars, even the minor villains had memorable moments. It made those films better when sleaze balls like Prem Chopra or Shakti Kapoor or whoever got the right moments. One could say this about many multistarrers. Yes the pendulum always swings towards the more important star but one doesn’t have to go crazy with it! In AAA Amar beats up Anthony, a big deal in those days, plus Bachchan was way ahead of Khanna when the film released, it wasn’t even close, yet within the script Desai felt that this kind of scene was more justified than the reverse. I don’t expect Desai’s standards from Dhoom (!) but if you say the film is about a face-off and then don’t have one half of the face-off there’s something a bit absurd about it. In TDK sure the Joker has the grandly operatic part but Batman is now sidelined. He has his stunts and so forth. It is his world ultimately. In the Bond films there have often been show-stealing villains, they’ve even had films named after them, in every film who the villain is and who the girls are going to be gets a lot of attention. But Bond still has his moments and he gets his stunts or women or whatever. The problem with Dhoom at this point (certainly D2, I haven’t seen D3 so will still give it the benefit of the doubt to a degree) is that the cop doesn’t have much of a chance to do things if he isn’t even given proper face-offs or fights. Again in the first film there were lighter moments with his wife where the character’s softer side could be brought out a bit more, the comedy with Ali was a bit more spontaneous. In the second film you had the cop showing up mechanically after every heist with very few moments to justify his character. The comedy scenes also became much more predictable. Meanwhile the villain had the actress, the cool stunts, the disguises and so on. That doesn’t leave much for the cop to do except show up and look tough! D3 can still be worth something (beyond the obvious entertainment that D2 was as well though D3 looks way better on this score) if they’ve invested something in the face-offs and the action chases and so on. The problem isn’t the villain having the glamor (this was always true) or even the greater star getting more footage but that face-off never quite materializes. And again when you have Aamir in this franchise the audience will show up no matter what. Consider 3I. what character is ‘not’ justified in that film? Aamir is still there, Still psot-Ghajini and so on. But it adds to 3I’s gross when everyone’s part is made worthwhile and certainly the principals involved. The same is true for RDB. It might well be that there is a better balance in this film that D2 but that Aditya Chopra simply wants to get the biggest initial possible. Even then I wouldn’t agree because the initial would not be reduced if Aamir was there less in the trailer! Not by a Rupee!

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      • RDB and 3 Idiots promotion I am sure Aamir did not hog the trailors…and despite him loosely being the lead in RDB and definitely in 3 Idiots, all the cast got well promoted in trailers.
        Anyway, one can hope the film will be more balanced. Otherwise this franchise is about the villain. Eventually, maybe Abhishek will himself turn into the villain in Dhoom 7 or 8 – that would be a good twist!

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      • “Again in the first film there were lighter moments with his wife where the character’s softer side could be brought out a bit more, the comedy with Ali was a bit more spontaneous. In the second film you had the cop showing up mechanically after every heist with very few moments to justify his character.”

        This is completely true. Leaving Hrithik aside, one could actually argue that Uday Chopra got a better deal than Abhishek in D2 because at least the Ali character had his own B story, his own angle outside of the main crime story. This really wasn’t true for the Jai of D2 and unless, again, the promos are hiding all sorts of stuff (!) it looks to be more of the same.

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  96. The one positive thing I found here is that for the first time in the franchise there is an emotional track justifying the villain’s acts. I don’t know for others but when Abhishek in the first film tells John that “Good always triumphs over evil”, I found it hard to root for the bad guy.

    In the second part as well, there was nothing justifying Hrithik’s acts. People rooted for him for the stunts and for being stylish but there wasn’t enough substance to support the villain’s act.

    See in most good heist movies, where the thieves seem to be good guys and there always seem to be good reasons justifying their acts and these become the basis for why you root for them. In Ocean’s 11, Clooney was try to win back his wife and Garcia seemed to be the bad guy. In Italian Job, Wahlberg still was the good guy compared to Norton.

    In SRK’s Don series, morality takes a complete backseat and here the audience seems manipulated to root for a merciless bad guy, who steals and murders merely for more money or for more power. What’s even more ridiculous is that in the sequel even the heroine falls for him while she knows he mercilessly murdered her brother and sister in law!

    The Jackie Shroff track in D3 seems a welcome one here. At least there is going to be something substantial and emotional justifying the villain’s acts. It’s probably the result of some kind of input from Aamir. Because mere biceps or 6 packs can’t justify heinous acts. The emotional track definitely adds more substance to the movie.

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    • yes it’s true, this is more of a welcome move and it might also be Vijay Krishna Acharya’s intervention here.

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    • mksrooney Says:

      @rahul spot on.

      My comment from other blog :

      “I have notice one thing, Aamir’s film usually tend to be have better/more/dramatised Emotional Arc.

      For eg. Be it fanaa, terrorism angle, TZP, Ghajini.. etc. And wont say with conviction, but in his movies people tend to be involved more in a emotional way, as there is always some thing really tragic or sad for one of the main character.

      Here again there is this father – son angle, as Baba rightly pointed.

      Whether emotional arc has a role to play in a Dhoom Series ? as John’s Character in first flick didnt have any emotional reasoning for his actions, as i recollect, neither did Hrithik in D:2.

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    • Great points Rahul. Completely agree ..

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  97. just added the Tamil trailer.

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  98. A balanced ‘tick all boxes’ ‘safe’ trailer
    Typically efficient ‘aamirised’ promo that should do its job…

    This project has so many things going for it that even aamir seems an add-on–
    Easily the safest project aamir has worked in yet–even then he seems cautious & unsure ( in a good sense)– that’s aamir for u.
    Rest are just props..

    Ps:Though nothing really exciting/eye catching here..

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    • LOL, I hear the anxious Hrithik fan again. My consternation with some of the Abhishek issues notwithstanding this is as a good a trailer as they could have put on given the terrain. Or to be more precise I wasn’t expecting Ratnam here nor for that matter some very slick Southern trailers. It’s hard to object to this trailer except on face-off grounds. And it’s bizarre to say Aamir seems like an add-on but then call everything else a prop! As opposed to what? Hrithik doing Javier Bardem in Krrish 3?! where the guy has no ‘help’! Every superhero trope out there thrown in, the third film in a hit franchise, etc. But what about D2, that too was a sequel. Abhishek was a very rising star at the time. Aishwarya Rai. So on and so forth. As for owning the film well no one’s going to complain about Aamir either (barring some SRK fans who seem to find Aamir implausible here but otherwise found SRK very plausible as Don!)! In some ways Aamir is closer to the John Abraham mould inasmuch as he suggests more of that psychotic edge. Hrithik on the other hand was just the Latin-lover-as-criminal. Which is fine as far as it goes but let’s not pretend this is the ultimate deal here! Aamir is clearly playing a more cerebral type, he even has more of a masala backstory this time. D2 had completely normal advertising where whatever people felt later they didn’t feel it going in. Here it’s all around Aamir. Maybe the film isn’t as lopsided but either way not sure how this isn’t a nod to Aamir in every box office sense. And they’re also going for the ‘performer’ for the first time. Again relative to the terrain he seems to be more of a ‘character’ than the previous guys. Overall it’s hard to fault this trailer on anything and certain with respect to Aamir. And I’m someone who criticized the earlier teaser and so on a lot. I didn’t mind the first longer Krrish trailer either. Thought it was decent but this is way more crisp at every level. I understand some of your anxiety but hey let’s be a little fair. This whole ‘there’s nothing much to see here’ and ‘it doesn’t have much to do with Aamir even if he’s everywhere because there’s a lot else going on’ is simply not a plausible set of claims!

      Krrish might be a huge grosser going by the early word. If I were you I’d enjoy that as opposed to getting anxious about Dhoom!

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  99. “It has become a fashion to dismiss SFX in Indian movies which are fst catching up if not quite there. It gets a little annoying when people constantly bring up Hollywood in this respect. In a way, almost as annoying as claims that there are Hollywood standard SFX!”–agree –good points there…

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  100. Read somewhere that this will be the first bwood IMAX movie. Is this a fact?

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  101. Saw the trailer again for 5th or 6th time today – there were quite a new things which i really didn’t notice earlier: Jackie looks good and that emotional angle might well be aamir’s input because he likes the film which have “stories” – also having him as a child and Jackie as a dad and playing a joker will also work with Kids.

    This looks many notches above K3 trailer and YRF will go all out with this. Max no of screens and already we have trailors in telugu / tamil – so lot of thinking has gone into capturing the South market which is huge again. Aamir knows his limitation (height) and he makes it up with a strong story where all characters add to the final product and i vividly remember his ambition (as he said once): “I want to be the most liked actor of India”

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    • His height limitation has been done to death. If it were such a concern, Ghajini wudve not become an ATBB. Every guy he beat up in that movie was at least 2-3 inches taller. The villian easily was 6ft+, yet the audiences had no problems watching Aamir fling him onto a wall and make a hanging painting out of him.
      For that matter, in CE SRK beats up that Thambli dude (clearly upwards of 6’2” and seeming at least a foot taller than SRK), and the audience lapped it all up. Indian audiences tend to get a tunnel vision when it comes to the 3 short Khans, and simply swallow every unbelievable action scene they portray. Rishi, Rajesh and other short heroes had no such leniency in their action outings, they were clearly rejected.

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  102. A very effective trailer. I don’t quite share the reservations about the lack of face/off; I found this trailer to suggest the most balanced hero/villain equation of the Dhoom series. Take it step by step… the trailer has a narrative- there is the Joker, he gauntlet thrown at him by the cop to lure him and atleast 3 sequences that I saw which suggested a face/off (both actionwise and dramatically). Love the masala elements that this trailer suggests as well.

    Could’ve done without the Nolan hangover though. Both the action sequences and the magician/joker backstory look inspired from The Dark Knight trilogy and The Prestige. Jackie’s opening monologue is very similar to that of Michael Caine’s exposition at the start of The Prestige, Nolan’s best IMO.

    P.S.- Was pleasantly surprised to see Jackie get so much footage in this trailer. Didn’t expect it.

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    • let’s hope you’re right in terms of the overall film! But even if so the advertising should reflect this and not just treat it as a sideshow.Yes the trailer closes with that shot of the two going at each other on the bikes but they still should have had a lot more of this.

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  103. Love the line “main ghar aagay baba” & the buildup to it.

    And good to see the father son angle in both K3 & D3. The mom takes the backseat for a while :), but i’m sure she will be back with a bang.

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  104. People are struck by how it looks! But, who runs vertically down a building?! The bike sliding, the reverse jump-off, the MI bike stunt – been done to oblivion. Aamir’s closeups look fake and pasted on green wall. Abhis’ expressions are a frown – he’ll gain nothing out of this.

    I smell naughtiness on YRF part to release it just before K3 hits theaters. Mere coincidence, it’s not!

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    • Think too much is being made of that vertical building shot. The problem here might be that the ‘physics’ of it doesn’t look plausible. Not in a theoretical sense but in the Hollywood sense of making some very absurd stuff believable on screen even though you know it could never be possible. So it looks like Aamir is running on a horizontal surface. But even so I don’t find it to be such a big deal. In general though, and this is a point I’ve made for sometime, that a lot of the SFX in India has introduced new problems. In other words there were ways in which some of the older stuff looked crude, a truck rolling off the cliff for example. However the interesting thing here is that when you do things the traditional way that kind of ‘falling short’ (compared to Hollywood standards) jars less than SFX where the physics is all wrong. In other words I am less bothered by whether a building looks absolutely real or the sea looks absolutely real and so on and far more by the physics not working. And some of it at a basic level is sometimes worse than what once might have been the case. So you literally destroy a truck or something to get that shot say 30 years ago. Today you go to SFX but then you don’t do it right and the difference is much more obvious. In India not surprisingly they focus on the big stuff (where of course they can’t spend 200m on such a film and local talent/resources/industry is simply not at the same level to have the same thing done for a fraction of the cost, if that were so Hollywood would outsource all of its SFX to India!), i.e. the grand stunt and so forth but they never think about the little, intricate details that make those SFX plausible even when they ought not to be so. In Gravity recently one of the marvels here is not just the visuals but also the space choreography. At every point the way the characters move around in space is expertly managed. You never get the sense that in this or that moment they’re not in space. And this is the kind of detail that really makes the film. Or on the other hand with something like Titanic an enormous effort expended to create the world of that ship. Or in Avatar Cameron having Canon develop a certain kind of camera to match his vision. So on and so forth. I often fault Hollywood for making mediocre stuff but they never falter not this score. On a major production these details are always worked out very well. And so the stunt or that big ‘wow’ moment only works if these other things have been handled well. if in Gravity the effect of floating in space and the kind of movement that is entailed were never successfully brought across the other visuals just wouldn’t have the same impact.

      Getting back to D3 I don’t disagree there’s something very off about that scene (much as Abhishek on a helicopter seems to have a completely white background!), I just don’t see it as some sort of deal-breaker. Anytime Bollywood does SFX these things happen. Most disappointingly (on this score) even in Raavan when Asihwarya falls over the cliff early on the physics is once again all wrong. And surprisingly in a Ratnam film! But the problem once again is that instead of doing it the old-fashioned way they went for SFX. And if you don’t get it right it immediately shows. By and large though I think the D3 trailer is fine. As GF pointed out it’s also more standard stunts, when you try something like Krrish you’re increasing the bar. Easier to get a city chase right than the X-Men! On that score even Hollywood is sometimes problematic on this score. Increasingly a number of SFX films seems to represent video game worlds in that synthetic sense. Or it’s a literal recreation of a graphic novel. Either way what works in those formats detracts from the overall illusion on screen. But they’re clearly keeping the target audience happy. It’s more by design but I don’t believe it really works aesthetically (barring some exceptions).

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      • I don’t know how many others have pointed that vertical one – but my point was: logically speaking who would want to run down a vertical building? If you have certain powers, you just fly! Or jump. How’s running down faster, or even logical?! That’s just one point though, w/o detailing a host of others.

        They have just said, “Hey look at our FX team” w/o having to make sense of a film! (Simply put, show it to somebody who isn’t familiar with the D films, he wouldn’t able to make out what the fuss is about!)

        Also, when a trailer is about VFX – it has to be commented on what it is trying to impress you with. If they are doing VFX, whether it’s K3 or D3 – it has to be adjudged with what you have seen on big screen.

        I wouldn’t comment on Irrfan’s green wall in train scene closeups in Lunch Box, because that’s not what it wants to flaunt about!

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        • The comment wasn’t just aimed at you. I was making a more general point. Not am I disagreeing with this particular scene as I’ve already mentioned in my earlier response. Don’t think though that the ‘logical’ is the best way to look at this stuff. They haven’t done it well here but otherwise it would be pretty cool to have someone run down a building. Handled right it would look quite spectacular.

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      • Saw the video, in vertical building shot he is tied by a rope. Still a difficult task!

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        • yes as Jay probably mentioned earlier.. hard to do that smoothly this side of Spiderman! Older comment:

          [Think too much is being made of that vertical building shot. The problem here might be that the ‘physics’ of it doesn’t look plausible. Not in a theoretical sense but in the Hollywood sense of making some very absurd stuff believable on screen even though you know it could never be possible. So it looks like Aamir is running on a horizontal surface. But even so I don’t find it to be such a big deal. In general though, and this is a point I’ve made for sometime, that a lot of the SFX in India has introduced new problems. In other words there were ways in which some of the older stuff looked crude, a truck rolling off the cliff for example. However the interesting thing here is that when you do things the traditional way that kind of ‘falling short’ (compared to Hollywood standards) jars less than SFX where the physics is all wrong. In other words I am less bothered by whether a building looks absolutely real or the sea looks absolutely real and so on and far more by the physics not working. And some of it at a basic level is sometimes worse than what once might have been the case. So you literally destroy a truck or something to get that shot say 30 years ago. Today you go to SFX but then you don’t do it right and the difference is much more obvious. In India not surprisingly they focus on the big stuff (where of course they can’t spend 200m on such a film and local talent/resources/industry is simply not at the same level to have the same thing done for a fraction of the cost, if that were so Hollywood would outsource all of its SFX to India!), i.e. the grand stunt and so forth but they never think about the little, intricate details that make those SFX plausible even when they ought not to be so. In Gravity recently one of the marvels here is not just the visuals but also the space choreography. At every point the way the characters move around in space is expertly managed. You never get the sense that in this or that moment they’re not in space. And this is the kind of detail that really makes the film. Or on the other hand with something like Titanic an enormous effort expended to create the world of that ship. Or in Avatar Cameron having Canon develop a certain kind of camera to match his vision. So on and so forth. I often fault Hollywood for making mediocre stuff but they never falter not this score. On a major production these details are always worked out very well. And so the stunt or that big ‘wow’ moment only works if these other things have been handled well. if in Gravity the effect of floating in space and the kind of movement that is entailed were never successfully brought across the other visuals just wouldn’t have the same impact.

          Getting back to D3 I don’t disagree there’s something very off about that scene (much as Abhishek on a helicopter seems to have a completely white background!), I just don’t see it as some sort of deal-breaker. Anytime Bollywood does SFX these things happen. Most disappointingly (on this score) even in Raavan when Asihwarya falls over the cliff early on the physics is once again all wrong. And surprisingly in a Ratnam film! But the problem once again is that instead of doing it the old-fashioned way they went for SFX. And if you don’t get it right it immediately shows. By and large though I think the D3 trailer is fine. As GF pointed out it’s also more standard stunts, when you try something like Krrish you’re increasing the bar. Easier to get a city chase right than the X-Men! On that score even Hollywood is sometimes problematic on this score. Increasingly a number of SFX films seems to represent video game worlds in that synthetic sense. Or it’s a literal recreation of a graphic novel. Either way what works in those formats detracts from the overall illusion on screen. But they’re clearly keeping the target audience happy. It’s more by design but I don’t believe it really works aesthetically (barring some exceptions).]

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  105. Arturo Belano Says:

    Lulz.

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  106. “LOL, I hear the anxious Hrithik fan again”

    Haha NO anxiety
    NO Fandom
    NO spin

    To be precise–
    Bande Hain Hum Uske
    Hum Pe Kiska Zor 🙂

    Wishing shoom3 and aamir all the best

    With so much goin for it and packed with goodies, I will be surprised, rather shocked if Dhoom3 doesn’t become the biggest hit of all time and by a WIDE margin ….
    It’s a game that’s already won–can only be lost…

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  107. AAMIR – Yaar main aakdon mein nahin padta..

    LOL..Good one..

    — Trailer launch —

    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/more/videos/view/id/2191683

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  108. they say christopher nolan as one of the most intelligent director around and the hangover is clearly visible on someone who celebrates himself as most celebral in bollywood

    after ripping one of his script memento the trailer has huge hangover of his 2 movies prestige and dark knight especially the backdrop of magic and joker infact the shameless rip off

    a mission impossible 4 like run drop on building and one upsmanship of “now you see me” between a clash on group of magician and cop

    and here people are celebrating vfx when reality is bleak

    bobbytalkscinema.com/recentpost.php?postid=postid032609123239

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  109. Oh dear. The only muscles that Amir seems to be able to move of his face are the lips, pressing them hard together, and sort of trying to look fierce with the expression of his eyes. All of this looks so weird with the rest of the face so passively smooth.

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  110. Haha Oldgold –have to agree there–
    I’m sure aamir will have worked on the script and it has to do v well–
    But Aamirs constipated look is really funny
    Ps: it’s also the ghost of hritik in dhoom2 (& now krish3) that aamir has to match 🙂

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  111. I have a feeling D3 will fail too like Krrish3. Anything around 150 is flop for these movies. They were sureshot 200+ movies with very good chance of setting many BO records with opening and total in vicinity of 300 cr. Weren’t these movies supossed to be game changer? Bad year for bollywood.

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  112. This is the FIRST sensible think u have spoken raghav…

    I’ve been saying for a while that many complex factors collude to make progression beyond 200 ish mark difficult- though possible.
    Won’t repeat details

    Hearing people here– one would imagine that 200 to 250 to 300 to 509(!) is the same as 100-150 and so on…

    One HAS to give credit to Yjhd, ETT & CE
    They are ACTUAL HITS the rest are in the minds of bloggers here..

    Having said that raghav — krrish 3 is essentially a one -man show ( albeit a franchise!)

    If Aamiir fails with a custom-built fully safe sequel with katrina/sidekicks/ yashraj machinery — that will be a shame
    What say Oldgold 🙂

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    • I hope Dhoom 3 works in a big way — not just for Aamir’s sake –the man has pout in humungous effort to portray a circus performer cum gymnast — , but for Aditya, Abhishek, Uday, Katrina , all; and also because I want sarcastic cynics like Apex and Aamir haters like OG to seriously eat crow. I hate the way rival stars’ fans cum Aamir-hate- groups are trying to sabotage Dhoom 3 even before its release. I can’t understand such antipathy –’cause I myself have never celebrated a film’s failure, or a star’s less than effective performance; it’s a sad commentary on internet discussion groups — there is very little grace.

      I watched bits of Chennai Express on tv recently — and was happy enough with the film, happy for its leads. I haven’t watched Krish 3 and don’t intend to unless it appears on tv– but obviously the film has worked for a big section of the paying audience. Good for Hritik, who makes few films, rather like Aamir. And they both deserve success. Haters and sarcy cynics be damned.

      What’s equally baffling and unfortunate is the work of some mischievous websites and media groups trying to infer that a Hollywood release from June 2013 has been ripped off to make Dhoom 3, a film that has been made over the past three years. What a vicious scenario, waiting to pull down rivals. Twitter that unscrupulous madhouse is already a battlefield with a popular superstar’s internet fan-brigade doing the dirty honours, even now — snide remarks, spoofs , et al.

      Aamir has given a good interview– Satyam’s link. And all a notorious Aamir critic can comment is on Aamir’s so called stiff muscles. The man has worked bloody hard for his role and I pray that he gets success with Dhoom 3.

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      • hopefully d3 work and for sabotage many people tried to sabotage chennai express or k3….hua kya ghanta and its part of showbiz for long

        btw anybody who say after watching trailor its not having any hangover its pretty difficult to digest…hopefully it will be proved wrong but see how movie folds

        didn’t dhobi ghat was inspired from wong kar wai pattern of movies on migrants

        didn’t delhi belly had hangover of guy ritchie touch( movies like lock stock and two smoking barrels etc) or memento both tamil and hindi with nolan’s earlier work

        satyam writes essays on dum maro dum but it itself has la confidential hangover….thing is such things don’t matter to junta who is willing to pay a major bucks for entertainment ….

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        • In that sense every movie is inspired from other. I thing she is referring media articles where they are claiming D3 is looking similar to Now you see me, Illusionist, Prestige.

          Saw a German movie The silence and it could be said it is inspired from Korean movie Memories of murder but both are different movies.

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          • they do i have seen first and 3rd one and trailor has touch of both and there is no agenda but fact…hopefully movie will be different

            negetivity was massive even for ravan and b esharam in recent time…thing is in other box office threadi am intentionally framing the thread on same language on which other so called intellectual are spinning the whole web.

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          • Ultimately there are serious inspirations or serious remakes and those which are just made as pale imitations or other cynical reasons. In other words the films might still be entertaining but no serious thought goes into them otherwise. So D3 grabs some Batman motifs but had that film been shot in some other city and so forth the D3 choices too might have reflected this! On the Prestige this seems to crop up in a number of films these days from Guzaarish to Ek Thi Daayan to now D3 (might be missing something). De Palma recently remade a French film but clearly he was trying to provide a certain twist on it. The ultimate Hindi film Sholay owes something to a number of films but the mix is very uniquely Indian and Ramesh Sippy’s.

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        • Actually if you read my essay carefully I talk about these ‘hangovers’ there.

          On these things not mattering in a box office don’t think anyone suggested they did. But in any case the only possible discussion on films isn’t one involving the box office. You can make terrible products that do well. Doesn’t prove anything. Many singers who have no right to sing produce hit songs. This too doesn’t mean anything.

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  113. We dedicate our ‘Dhoom machale’ to Sachin : Aamir Khan http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/bollywood/we-dedicate-our-dhoom-machale-to-sachin-aamir-khan_146116.html will launch the title track at wankhade stadium before Tendulkar takes the field on Nov 14th .

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  114. To be fair, would like to give aamir the benefit of doubt here…
    The ‘doubt’ nonetheless is there now

    Atleast with ghajini, three idiots, there was NO doubt since there were well known lifts/remakes …

    Anyhow hope this controversy will only add to the box office of dhoom3…. Cheers…
    All the best folks…

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  115. Dhoom 3 Facts : How ‘Big’ is ‘Big’? http://shaileshkapoor.com/2013/11/13/dhoom-3-facts-how-big-is-big/

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  116. i am not sure if this will be in the film looks like more of promotional video with all the scenes .

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  117. KATs Back !!!

    Move over drolls, midgets and sidekicks !!
    Just watched bits of the dhoom machaale by Katrina

    The FIRST thing that I’ve liked in dhoom3

    Katrina is truly a superstar…
    Here she makes the likes of abhishrek, uday and even aamir seem like inconsequential sidekicks…

    I’m so glad to see katrina back !! 🙂

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    • “Here she makes the likes of abhishrek, uday and even aamir seem like inconsequential sidekicks…”

      are you sure you’re not referring to the chikni chameli song and Hrithik in the audience?

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      • Call me a bloke, but I think Katrina is going to overshadow most men in a dance sequence. Even if she does not dance well! Or acts poor!
        I just don’t see the point in a song picturisation like this. Even Dhoom 2’s did not make sense having it as an intro to the film. The best one is still the original.

        I am pretty sure this is going to obliterate records when it arrives. Those yashraj pockets run deeper than the roshans! And xmas is usually bonus time for Komal and Taran LOL!

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  118. Haha Satyam–

    I have NO agendae/ biases

    I just call it as I see it and play the ball straight (just like textbook batting should be!)

    I have nothing against dhoom3–it’s just that for this genre u don’t need only deliberated script work which aamir excels in

    But PURE STARDOM—-

    Which aamir has not a lot of –abhishrek /uday have nil(or in ‘minus’)

    HR has loads and loads of

    And katrina… Well…

    Think katrina will single-handedly take dhoom3 to safety (in Hritiks absense) now 🙂

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  119. Pure stardom -Katrina Kaif / Hritik Roshan

    People like satyam always wonder what I mean by ‘pure stardom’
    It’s difficult to explain but lemme illustrate

    Krrish 3 was a dated cheesy looking franchise, promos were poor, rather bad and uninviting
    The film by Rakesh Roshan is better but what ACTUALLY Held the forte is one man
    hritk Roshan ….

    Similarly I’ve been quite unimpressed (even disinterested!) ini the motley crew of aamir, abhishrek, uday, yrf are being doing with it (esp carrying It forward from where HR left it!)

    But katrina pulls it off here….
    And somehow my negativity on dhoom3 –katrina has ‘softened’ it (or rather ‘hardened’) 🙂

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    • “Pure stardom -Katrina Kaif / Hritik Roshan”

      Maybe next we can discuss the acting abilities of Barbie / G.I. Joe

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  120. Satyam–fif u feel, plz free to delete the ‘hardened/softened’ bit
    Realised there are teens around like Amy and other suggestible girls/women like og, sanju, anu who read this stuff…

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  121. Dhoom1 was much better than dhoom2… Filmwise. but canvas or in apex words stardom wise dhoom2 was higher not only because of Hrithik but also because of Aishwarya. coming to title song, Hrithik was fab / unmatchable and optly suited for the stylish villan and Aishwarya crazy kiare song is much better than what i witnessed here. So, i can easily understand what apex is saying here “stardom”…. but i disagree few points.

    1. Krrish3 is no where close to Koi mil Gaya… but due to the brand value and feel good entertainer to the targetted audience (kids), became huge hit… otherwise except Agneepath (in apex words stardom / i mean bachchan stardom) gave the thunderous start…

    2. Where as Aamir is undoubtedly the no 1 or you can argue he is sharing no 1 with Salman followed by SRK and now he is closely followed by Hrithik…..So, aamir is currently a biggest star and the openings / week end business will going to prove that…

    3. Yes, in terms of look and skills, Hrithik is a born super star, any body will like him instantly like when i saw kahona pyar hai, i thought that he will surpass khans very easily in three years which never happened due to various reasons. to be a superstar now a days along with great script sense you need to understand the totality of the filmi business including marketing skills which hrithik lacked. and he delivered super hits only with his dad… now a days he is fast learning the trick from the ultimate Guru itself (SRK)… no doubt, if he moves in the same line and starts doing only bigger movies with bigger corporates, definetly with in no time, he will be competing with Aamir and Salman for No 1 spot…

    4. If you see the success ratio… Like Hrithik, Salman AND Aamir enjoyed a instant success and became stars in a very first film. but in the middle SRK bagged all the Biggie projects to become a king khan (media based). Where as Aamir AND Salman never afraid to experiment which i call it as Stardom (very difficult explain in clearwords)… i mean stardom is one thing where super star enjoys his success and never fee insecured, ready to take chances knowing very well that being a true superstar he can bounce back any time. Like Bachchan did it in his early days. He used to work for bigger movies as well as new comers who became great directors over night (like Dons director, i dont even know his name).. also he was never afraid to do quality films which are relatively very small movies compare to his stardom like his movies with Hrishikesh Mukherjee…now a days only Aamir has the kind of guts /stardom simillar to Bachchans. AND even Salman will work with any body like his own siblings, abhinav, rumi jaffery although all are masala oriented movies suitable to his star image. For me AAmir and Salman means stardom which SRK and Hrithik dont have. But definetly Hrithik because of his personality / looks and skills can reach the top and he is the only actor who can come close to the stardom of what Bachchan enjoyed, by choosing right movies. Until than, apex, i request you please dont snatch the super stardom of Aamir, lets Hrithik earns it just like three Khans who have earned it because of decades of commitment and hardwork.

    5. Coming to dhoom3, dhoom1 and dhoom2 are just eye candy movies with no script. Just wait for dhoom3, Aamir will demonstrate all over again how to write masala movies… remember Gowarikar, Mehras, Hiranis, and now wait, he will present us one more great director Victor / Vijay Krishna Acharya… He has that magic touch where even he will make ordinary director a good director and a good director working with aamir will become extraordinary director.

    6. what every little i heard about the film… this is the best commercial movie of Aamir and also i heard that, this is the only dhoom film where heros (abhishek’s) role has properly written… also properly picturised. This shows, aamirs love towords his script and also in the past, in RDB i was pleasently surprised where Siddharth ( a new comer from south) actually had the Best role compare to Aamir…can you imagine this with any other khans or actors.

    7. I am writing this marathon message just because, i love bollywood movies and only stars sorry super stars like Aamir can take our movies forward as they love their cinema more than their stardom…they will continue to work in films like PK, RDB, TZP, Talaash, Dhobi Ghat knowing for the fact that such moves / movies will give a chance to people like Apex to question their stardom….

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    • Well said, every word. Especially liked that bit about Aamir Khan loving cinema more than his own stardom— apparent from his choice of films. In PK, from whatever we have seen so far, Aamir looks weird, even ridiculous– but it’s writer-director Hirani — he who makes films about ordinary and odd people, so,expecting something there.

      I loved RDB, Aamir’s role as well as the others, the complete film; so glad he was a part of it. And Talaash– yes, his mouche was funny, but it fit in with his cop role. The broody cop was as interesting a character as the others, but it was sensuous Kareena who stole the show along with Nawaz the lame Timur bloke. You think Aamir would not be aware of these factors in the final product?

      Show me a superstar who lets others take centerstage the way Aamir does most of the time But with Aamir it is always the film that has mattered more than the individual — which is how it should be.

      Of course in the recent Chennai Express, SRK did not hog the show. Deepika shone in her role, was appreciated.

      Even in ETT, Katrina appealed to me. She contributed to the film’s success.

      I have not seen Krish 3 — but isn’t Kangna considered one of the film’s attractions?

      As regards, Dhoom 3 — Aamir would be well aware that with his short height, he would be a sitting duck for teasing critics. I am sure he is aware that he will be compared unfavourably to the earlier Dhoom chaps Hritik and John — tall typical handsome hunks. And yet, aamir takes on this risky role — he gets a chance to play a circus gymnast with a back story and some demons to conquer within himself, plus he gets to be part of a successful commercial flick, but he will see to it that it is something a bit more than a commercial action film. At least I hope so!

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    • lover of cinema and dhoom series

      john matthew disappeared after sarfarosh and why industry is not giving big breaks amol gupte even after 2 acclaimed films(he had panga with a bigger star)

      before lagaan ashutosh gowariker made bazi with same aamir khan only etc… lovers of cinema don’t get into credit rows right throughout the career but ya agree kiran rao effect rubbed onto him in case of script …rang de basanti ya indeed but the same director also made cult classic bpl ads in 90’s , acclaimed aks and now bhaag milkha bhaag

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      • even i like aamir but the exaggeration:

        vijay krishna acharya is the Dialogue, Screenplay and Story Writer of the original dhoom

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Krishna_Acharya

        yes as director tashan was his first venture …a good film didn’t worked but akshay kumar as bachchan pandey the allahabadi was riot much before chulbul pandey

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        • PS — I might add that Akshay as Bachchan Pandey was a far better character than Chulbul Pandey, and far truer to the masala roots the role paid homage to. Salman’s Chulbul played the masala hero as farce, the sort of fellow who wouldn’t take himself, and whom the audience couldn’t take, seriously, and that sort of tongue-in-cheek, self-aware vibe, while clever, is quite distinct from masala cinema (it is also dishonest, as the appeal and interest that a Chulbul holds is in direct proportion to the extent he channels regular/un-ironic aspects of masala; i.e. the tongue-in-cheek vibe is only there to allow those members of an audience who would be embarrassed by “straight” consumption of masala — “we aren’t like these front benchers” — to have their cake and eat it too, guilt-free). Whereas Bachchan Pandey is, certainly by film’s end, with the whole romantic angle, the real deal — there is a cost to his character’s arc; Chulbul is pretty flat, and like a stock character, we don’t see any growth or range. Stated differently, Bachchan Pandey is a hero; Chulbul Pandey represents the masala hero transformed into a stock character, the way “side” characters used to be in 1980s masala films (The Vamp; The Baddie; the Comedian; etc.).

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      • ‘…..Kiran Rao effect rubbed off to him ( Aamir) in case of script…’ What sort of logic is this? Kiran Rao and Aamir may have married because they have similar outlook on life, cinema whatever….but Aamir’s script sense and cinematic sensibilities go way back to his beginnings in films. No need for me to elaborate here — but even a commercial flick like Ghulam (1988) had its sensibilities right in place. And Sarfarosh was the 1999 film that proved Aamir’s class….which is very much there Kiran or no. Yes, he’s done a shameful Raja Hindustani… but he’s also done beautiful films like 1947Earth and even a sweet kids film like Hum hain RPK….not to speak of other stuff. In fact Aamir doing Dhoom 3 is not exactly going down well with many fans (like self). I’d rather he do another sensible film, but I guess Dhoom 3 is meant to be an entertainer, not a sensible film. Chalo, as long as it works. But aamir may be on the back foot with this film. He’s taken it as a challenge, but i can see Raja Sen and others of his ilk waiting with sharpened knives. Sen has torn into Ram-Leela. Saal, did the same with Mangal Pandey, a film that needed better appreciation from our oversmart critical media.

        John Mathew Mathan made a film on ecological matters — Shikhar. I watched it on tv and quite liked it. However the film was not a great success. Mathan has not made anything after this second film. Here is the imdb link to Shikhar. check it out; not abad film.

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475627/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_36

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        • IdeaUnique Says:

          “John Mathew Mathan made a film on ecological matters — Shikhar. I watched it on tv and quite liked it.”it was indeed a good film – very poorly marketed…….and that did its job – failure at the BO

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        • “what sort of logic is this”

          from where i see plain commonsense ..the same kiran rao was assistant director of lagaan much before marriage(association is not new and surprisingly fans are not aware of) and he may had some so called sense but his exception faltered (infact many biggie)and not so in a scale which is visible now…lagaan was the turning point in the career itself

          ghulam was there in 98 not 88 and yes he made shikar …only 10 years after sarfarosh when hardly any of industry came forward and it had ajay in his worst coming phase and upcoming shahid

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          • Ghulam was a 1998 film, agreed. My mistake. But Kiran Rao was an AD on the sets of Lagaan — not even first or second, but third. I have the Lagaan book and I know. Apurva Lakhia and Reema Katgi were the first and second. ADs. Kiran was simply one of the ADS, nothing more. She has her masters degree in communication from JNU, so she obviously knows her stuff. And Aamir has his film industry background with roots in the cinema of Guru Dutt, Raj Kapoor and others. Aamir is also a humungous reader, with knowledge about films and beyond — similar to Kamalahasan. So these guys are worth something on their own. Aamir has also acknowledged that Kiran has enriched his life. in may ways.

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          • yes he had background on a powerful family of scriptwriters, directors and producers

            let me remind you of clout:

            rishi kapoor was one of the elite dynasty infact came from the family and in his peak he played second fiddle to unknow tariq hussain in hum kisi se kum nahin( a big star who happens to be his cousin and ya association worked not for nothing you leave established wife if you don’t get ascendency in your career with this

            for record just like kiran rao had a special appearance in qsqt kiran has one in dil chahta hai

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  122. Shiva kumar –u say a lot of sensible things many of which I agree with also. I’m not ‘anti aamir’ as some feel here..
    It’s the ‘perspective’ and ‘reference’ in which I’m talking,,,,
    I will dissect that later (in detail) somebody,…

    Coming back to katrina here—
    Not sure if others can see it but I can see hours and hours of practice that has gone into this short song

    The choreography is crisp, difficult
    And needs fitness, agility and flexibility

    Katrina is probably the ‘fittest’ Bollywood heroine of all times –physical ‘tone’ and endurance/stamina

    Hats off katrina…

    Piggybacks like aamir/abhishrek/uday are not unwelcome

    But effectively
    This sort of leaves the K3 vs D3 debate one
    Between hritik and katrina 🙂

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  123. Actually, everyone was commenting on how Katerina ‘looks’ here but nobody mentioned the
    ‘Superb fitness’ levels she has achieved here…
    That had struck me lately about her

    Katrina is a VERY disciplined girl….
    Just checked now– I was NOT wrong about this track…

    “It has been a constant in all the films and yet manages to stir the audiences in their seats. In Dhoom 3, Katrina will be seen performing on the song ‘Dhoom Machale’. It is an extremely high energy number. So much so that Katrina underwent six weeks of rigorous training to learn and perfect the dance.

    Katrina was trained by choreographer Vaibhavi Merchant. They had four to six hours of continuous training sessions every day. Even though the steps were tough, Katrina had to look at ease doing it.

    The actress trained on improving her flexibility, strength and sporting the correct attitude for the song.

    When the song was finally shot, Katrina apparently did it beautifully. Only a day left for us to witness this much awaited number.”

    http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainmenttags/katrina-kaif/katrina-kaif-takes-six-weeks-dhoom-machale

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  124. Ok I dont want to totally ruin anybodys day…but..the item number with Katrina Kaif hanging on a jungle gym on the beach was really lame. Her dancing was lame & stiff. Everybody thought the breakout doing Sheila would catapult her and it did thanks to the hype. Even in JabTak Hai Jaan I cant understand what all the fuss was about and I have seen the movie. Dhoom 2 was one of the first BW movies I had seen Ashwaryia was splendid. Even Bips had her moments..alas Uday cant hold a glass of water, So..now we have an updated version..an updated villain..new story outline..and thats it.
    And I expect there will be a 4 and or 5 in the works..this time Hrithik?? ..not as Krrish but as the honest theif…Ashwaryia would be nice too..*sigh*

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  125. POLL

    I think maggie has hit the nail on the ‘head’
    This IS a difficult one

    Have (more than) a soft spot for ash and just was reminded by maggie– ash was superb in ‘crazy Kia re’

    Also liked Ash’s bronze look and the overall styling rocked…

    So folks –take your pick—

    Ash in ‘crazy Kia re’ or Katrinas latest blockbuster ‘Dhoom machade’

    Ps: I’m finding it difficult now
    C’mon maggie–perhaps u can ‘guide’ me….lol

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  126. loved the song…..Katrina looks superhot….easily the chartbuster no. 1 for next few weeks. The video has been cut very sleekly………i’ve always like katrina (satyam might frown at this 🙂
    )

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    • RajuJanak IdeaUnique Says:

      btw kk looks much hotter than aish in D2

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      • Totally agree. I understand the loyalties that members here have to Ash Bhabhi, but she clearly does not hold a candle to Katrina. Plastic?!? Oomph-e-katrina ki parakh sirf asli jauhri hi jante hain.
        The first 100cr for D3 is in the bank already.

        I hope the rest of the songs are good, and keep the momentum going until the release.

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        • Actually the Katrina cult has always been a bit of a mystery to me. Would easily took Deepika over her and in fact many others. Find Katrina completely insipid. Not that I’m a great fan of Aishwarya’s D2 stint either. In fact I tend to like Aishwarya most in outings where she plays a very Indian type. The Ratnam films first of all.

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          • IMO, Deepika is ethereal as the Indian belle, as in RamLeela or CE. Similarly, Katrina is unsurpassable in this purely western role. Both of them are pleasing to the eyes in their different avatars. And it also shows in their dialog delivery. Deepika comes off as a behenji when she mouths English, whereas Katrina is lost at sea in her Hindi.
            Ash, while comparatively more beautiful (in face), is not at all sensuous (in figure) when compared to these two. The secret lies in their hips, us department mein Ash bechari maar kha gayi.

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          • +1 on Deepika by a mile. I’ll take skin over plastic.

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          • Haha nykavi comes up with original ones
            “Oomph-e-katrina ki parakh sirf asli jauhri hi jante hain.”— that’s the line of the day ( till now)
            ” The secret lies in their hips, us department mein Ash bechari maar kha gayi”– I reserve my comments on that lol

            “I’ll take skin over plastic.”– the way u r going on, forget skin/ plastic- u do need ‘rubber’ …

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          • Just noticed that Katrina Kaif is the #1 trending topic on Yahoo today. Yesterday she was at #7.
            All bcoz of this video I guess?
            And I am referring to Yahoo in US, not Yahoo India.

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  127. Kat looks smoking HOT (those legs…WOW)

    Didn’t bother with the rest

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  128. Aishwaraya looked classy.

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  129. Is Dhoom macha le song or Touch me..Touce me from RACE. In the strat. I read somewhere that after Spain incident with Ranbeer Katrina swear she will never wear bikni even in private. But here she is dancing ib red bikni.

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  130. original will always remain original still amusing to see certain katrina kaif copying tata young: tata and her chemistry with abhishek and john was more hotter

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  131. first hrithik and no katrina in dhoom 3 reorting to doing sell cum …and ya more are appropriate as consumption material

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  132. they are still recycling the english version of tata young composed and sung by her in 2004

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Young

    She expanded her reach to India, recording the song, “Dhoom Dhoom”, for the soundtrack to a Bollywood movie, Dhoom. Dhoom, whose OST album sold over 800,000 units in India, was a phenomenal success for a soundtrack. Later, she embarked on her Dhoom Dhoom tour.

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  133. Thanx folks for all the lovely responses to the poll…
    Nykavi and naveed were esp good ones 🙂

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  134. Katrina looks like doing the agnipath item number changing her dress. Same movements, same expressions. Cant say whether she is in ETT, agnipath or JTHJ hot number. Prefer Ash any day.

    Katrina sucks big time. Hope Aamir will compensate for Katrina’s lack of acting skills. This jodi itself is nightmarish. Even Priyanka Chopra would have been better.

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  135. IdeaUnique Says:

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  136. Will see this video soon …
    But it’s interesting the way katrina is so shy n coy (even now).
    Perhaps katrina coudnt answer because she has to concentrate on the camera angles while she is sitting for obvious reasons 🙂

    But the more relevant question here seems to be—

    can there possibly be a shorter frock ….?

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  137. Katrina looks bang on here. In terms of songs my ranking is D1,3,2. In terms of hotness it’s D3,D2,D1 and in terms of overall video it’s D2,D3,D1. I rather have Katrina’s one expression than Ash’s annoying overacting expressions in D2 and trying-to-be-american-popstar-but-ends-up-making-cat-faces..

    Aamir is smart, he knows that he couldn’t get 1/10 as close to HR in the Dhoom title song so he got Katrina to do it. If Chikni Chameli/Sheila added 7 crores to Agneepath/TMK’s opening, this should add 5.

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  138. Aditya Chopra stands behind his Dhoom 3 director Vijay

    By Joginder Tuteja, Nov 18, 2013 – 11:23 IST

    There is something about Aditya Chopra and the trust that he shows in his directors despite their earlier attempts behind camera being not-so-flattering. This is pretty apparent when one looks at Vijay Krishna Acharya, the man who had delivered one of the biggest critical and commercial disappointments for Yash Raj Films – Tashan. So what happened next? Instead of pulling him down, he was rewarded with the biggest film ever coming from Yash Raj stable – Dhoom 3.

    “That’s how Adi is,” says a filmmaker fondly, “If he puts his money on you, he would stick by your side. Just a failure or two doesn’t matter as long as he sees the right intent and willingness to change, learn and adapt. Yes, Tashan was a flop show but Adi didn’t put the entire blame on Vijay. There are so many factors that can go right or wrong when it comes to the film’s fortunes.”

    In the past, there have been close to half a dozen instances when Aditya Chopra has continued to show trust in his directors and given them a second chance. His plans may not have always fallen in place but there has seldom been a director who has been shown the door after merely one attempt.

    “Kunal Kohli’s directorial debut Mujhse Dosti Karoge! flopped but Adi trusted him to deliver the goods. The director too reciprocated with Hum Tum followed by Fanaa. Sanjay Gadhvi was an unknown name when he made his debut with a small outside production Tere Liye. However, Aditya saw the potential and the director went on to deliver a hat trick of successes – Mere Yaar Ki Shaadi Hai, Dhoom and Dhoom 2. Even Shimit Amin had a humble beginning with Ram Gopal Varma’s production Ab Tak Chhappan but Adi gave him a much bigger platform and Shah Rukh Khan with Chak De! India,” informs a source.

    There have been failures too but not after Adi has given them all a second chance.

    “Arjun Sablok’s Na Tum Jaano Na Hum with an outside production was a disaster despite Hrithik in the lead but he still got to helm Neal ‘N’ Nikki with Uday Chopra. Jugal Hansraj, a close friend, got two chances too with Pyaar Impossible and Roadside Romeo, both of which were flops. As of now, none of them is making a film for Yash Raj. However Pradeep Sarkar, who hasn’t quite enjoyed a flattering outing for the production house so far with either Lafangey Parindey or Laaga Chunari Mein Daag is getting to direct none other than Adi’s ‘close friend’ Rani Mukerji in Mardaani,” an insider adds.

    No wonder, Vijay Krishna Acharya could play on this cushion of comfort and Adi standing behind him when he got in charge of Dhoom 3. The producer has done his job by giving him the resources, franchise and Aamir Khan no less. Now it is on the director to get second time lucky and create some Dhoom once the film arrives next month.

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  139. The bits of ‘malang’ they’ve released isn’t impressive musically…traditionally dhoom hasn’t had strong music…

    As an ‘unbiased outsider’, feel that aamir has reasonably/decently dealt with his obvious limitations in this genre.
    (Also He need to keep his cap and coat on and helmet off…)

    As for katrina–have said this before
    Katrina seems to be the FITTEST Bollywood actress of all time (maybe missing someone -someone may suggest anybody else)
    And we are not talking about ‘selective augmentation/reduction procedures’ but pure aerobic exercises and hours n hours on the treadmill she seems to have put on here….

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  140. Most of the discussion on the new song here:

    https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2013/11/28/image-from-dhoom-3/#comment-234537

    I mistakenly put up a comment there and a thread ensued..

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  141. ABHISHEK SNUBBED-NOT EVEN BEEN INVITED /NOT EVEN AWARE OF DHOOM3 EVENT !!!

    – Daboo Ratnani/DNA
    Abhishek Bachchan was part of Dhoom (2004) Dhoom 2 (2006) and now he will be seen in Dhoom 3. The actor plays the role of Jay Dixit, a cop, and is the only constant in all films apart from Uday Chopra (who has decided to quit acting after D3). Abhishek is playing one of the protagonists and it was odd that he was missing from the release of the title track event last week. Aamir Khan and Katrina Kaif presented the song to the media. What’s odd is that he was not invited to the event, and wasn’t even informed about it.

    Says a industry source, “For some reason when YRF organised the event for the title song Dhoom Macha Le Dhoom, they left Abhishek out. He found out about the event from the Internet and social networking sites, when they began reporting that Aamir had delayed the event by a few hours because he rushed to Wankhede Stadium to watch Sachin Tendulkar play his last match.”

    Another source close to Abhishek adds, “He was invited and had come for the first event of Dhoom 3 (the unveiling of the first look) and Aamir was present too. At this week’s event, everyone wondered why he wasn’t present when he was in the city. If the heroes were not needed for the showing of Katrina’s song, why was Aamir present? Though Aamir is the villain, Abhishek is the face of Dhoom. But nobody told him about the event.” The source wonders if the omission was deliberate, “Abhishek has got many compliments about his look in Dhoom 3 including an ‘awesome’ one from his father Amitabh Bachchan. Considering he’s the hero, is this Aamir’s way of hijacking the film? Abhishek is as much Aditya Chopra’s blue-eyed boy as Aamir, as he’s done many films with him but he is not the kind of person to make a fuss about such things. Of course, he is bewildered as to why nobody informed him about it. They could have informed him and asked him not to come as it was Katrina’s event but not to be told also is shocking!”

    http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-abhishek-bachchan-not-even-aware-of-the-dhoom-3-event-attended-by-katrina-kaif-and-aamir-khan-1920781

    I think I have been severe on poor abhishrek for other reasons but there’s no doubt he is a decent gentleman
    But this is simply SHOCKING –HUMILIATING esp for bachchan fans….

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    • IdeaUnique Says:

      This article is a pathetic effort to raise abhi’s level of popularity and pit it against aamir’s. Abhi himself wud laugh it off.

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  142. Wtf was that tap dancing video?? It’s the first thing from this movie that I didn’t like. Seems totally unnecessary and the fact that Aamir isn’t a good dancer makes it worse.

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  143. Making Aamir dance so much seems a bad idea! The songs sound totally different and need repetitive hearing to be appreciated.
    Choreography needs to be really top notch for the songs to be hits,
    But it appears they are not worried about the songs. So what is it that they have up thier sleeve?

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    • Aamir was in Australia through a month, learning tap dancing and ballet, enough to be able to do this role’s requirement. The man has worked his ass off to do Dhoom 3 (Katrina has too, but she has the advantage of age). It’s sad though that the only reaction Aamir’s efforts seem to draw is mainly is — sniggering. I hope the film succeeds in a big way and Aamir gets credit for whatever he has done, instead of being dismissed as an over-aged crasher at a youth party. He could have done some other film with more substance and less style –but that would have been no challenge, nothing special. So I guess this is his way, pushing himself in the face of certain ridicule from a jaded and unappreciative public that is constantly rooting for its own favourites. Still, i hope Dhoom works and Aamir wins too.

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      • LS, that was a genuine comment and nothing to put down Aamir. Aamir has his strengths and dancing is definitely not his strong point by his own admission. I was just wondering at the marketing strategy of the makers who chose to release only snippets of songs that are not instantly catchy and showcase thier main lead in dance forms which are not that popular.

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  144. AamirsFan Says:

    its not really about Aamir not being a good dancer…i just don’t dig the idea of a character with dark shades having his own dancing music video. just kills it for me. same thing with d2 and hrithik. a ‘villain’ should not be promoted like this. the ‘malang’ song is different is because it seems like it is within context. this seems like a gimmick. maybe in the film we’ll find out why Aamir Khan’s character was required to have a tap dance music video.

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    • @ Latha — I was not speaking against your genuine comment; just noting the general reaction to Dhoom-Aamir combo, dances,all. And I also have to agree with AamirsFan — a villain cannot be promoted like this, but the whole Dhoom series seems to promote the villain, so I guess… . was never wildly enthusiastic about this film, but now that it is here, feel the need to support it for Aamir, who makes such few appearances. Wish he had expended his energies on something more worthwhile, though. Still, circus stuff, all that glitz — maybe it will be an entertainer , worth it all. Skeptical actually, but fingers crossed.

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  145. IdeaUnique Says:

    i see nothing wrong with this tap dance – on the contrary – its nice to see aamir doing it – the man has all the talent mind it – it is just that he didn’t do action so people tried to write him off before the release of ghajin but after its release??

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  146. IdeaUnique Says:

    It would be fun to see aamir dancing – the last time i saw him doing a full-fledge dance was here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2yHpkuERPk

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  147. IdeaUnique Says:

    aamir is playing a circus-artist so any such acrobatic/gymnastic/dancing moves shd be justifiable here……

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  148. IdeaUnique Says:

    This FB page has 1.8M likes and also some very interesting fact – https://www.facebook.com/Dhoom3TheMovie

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  149. hehe 😀

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  150. IdeaUnique Says:

    Aamir started 100 cr club by Ghajini
    Aamir started 200 cr club by 3i
    Aamir will start 300 cr club by D3?

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  151. IdeaUnique Says:

    This is also very interesting: https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/dhoom3starfacts

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  152. There is the Idea school of thought where Aamir is talented enough to lead a space mission next week (if he chooses to) or alternatively audition for Karunanidhi’s job (after surpassing him in Tamil fluency). Leaving this aside though and to be serious (!) much of the Aamir criticism misses the mark. Much as the fans go to the other extreme. Let me talk about the latter first. In a move which is by no means unique to Aamir’s fans (though it’s unfortunate to see them go down this route) any and every thing he does is completely justifiable and it’s ‘sad’ to see how others don’t appreciate everything he’s doing for the greater good of humanity. Where he’s good he should be ‘appreciated’, where he isn’t (dancing or whatever) he should nonetheless be ‘appreciated’ for trying something new and pushing himself. But let me try and get serious once more…

    The criticism of Aamir is in one sense right but for the wrong reasons. How? Jay has said some of this yesterday but let’s not pretend Dhoom was ever going to be anything but the latest installment in a very Hollywood-derivative franchise. Some of us hoped and still hope to see more substance to the script, not in some absolute sense but relative to the terrain. There are reasons to believe that with a three hour length, some more masala overtones on the backstory, possibly a better face-off that this might be the case. Either way this is eye candy entertainment not serious drama.

    There are two different arguments on whether Aamir is more convincing playing this sort of part. On the one hand the answer is quite plainly he isn’t. On the other hand it doesn’t matter in box office terms. But both answers should be complicated. In box office terms it ‘could’ matter if the script isn’t plainly better than what we’ve seen before. Why? Because when you have guys like John and Hrithik doing this sort of thing they just enhance the eye candy factor. You then have a younger demographic who is mostly into it for the hunks (Abhishek himself was loved in the first one) and the babes and the bikes and the stunts and so on. hrithik or John don’t detract from this essential framing. Abhishek (though he was still presented as cool in the first one) as the ‘serious’ actor in the franchise becomes the other pole of this equation where on the one hand you have the non-serious cool criminals (doing the dances, getting the babes and so forth) and on the other the rooted cop who doesn’t buy into the seductive aspects of this criminal routine. The villain represents a kind of consumerism. He’s the perfect symbol of its ethics and aesthetics. The cop is grounded in some more ‘old-fashioned’ sense. The interest then lies not just in the obvious but also seeing these two paradigms collide. The second Dhoom unfortunately betrayed the promise (to use this elevated word!) of the first film in many ways but it still kept this opposition alive. In any case what happens when you get a ‘serious’ villain like Aamir is that because he clearly cannot be John/Hrithik the script has to be stronger to bring out what looks to be a more complicated character (again only going by the franchise’s low standards in these matters). In other words and using Jay’s Ghajini analogy (which is completely correct) if the narrative doesn’t back up the serious actor in the appropriate way there is a bit of problem. Because a certain demographic will never ogle at Aamir the way they do at John/Hrithik (both female and male.. more the latter these days!) even though they might be impressed by his workout results or what have you. So this demographic has to be persuaded in other ways, by means of the right script, something that also seems to be in keeping with Aamir’s own genealogy. And this of course also has the virtue of making a different sort of demographic more active, the one that is never into it purely for eye candy. A certain exchange in effect has to take place. In other words it doesn’t matter at the box office as long as this ‘pact’ is respected. Much as with Ghajini Aamir outgrossed every other masala film (adjusting for inflation and other factors no masala film since has had a more impressive showing than it) but not by playing Salman or Akshay! He just did a masala drama-thriller. Again the part worked well with his image. Yes Aamir might have been implausible as that Hulk-like character but he wouldn’t have worked at all in Rowdy Rathore or Dabanng!

    On the second point when people think he’s less convincing on this terrain part of the answer is related to what I’ve just discussed above. Yes Aamir has never quite had the flamboyance and fluidity for certain kinds of commercial outings (I still think the closest he got to this was in the first half of Fanaa), he can often be quite earnest in these outings and this is always a problem when a film depends on empty posturing. The serious actor however is always at a relative disadvantage in this kind of setup (the Dhoom kind). Because he cannot cancel out his essential charge and just become ‘non-serious’ like everyone else. But nor can he compete on equal terms. Let’s do a quick thought experiment. Imagine Bachchan at his peak having to do Dhoom! It sounds ridiculous! And this when Bachchan of course could wipe out any competition in terms of physicality or fluidity and so forth. Because he would have been much to real for this plastic world of Dhoom.

    This is also in some ways the problem Abhishek has not just in the Dhoom sort of outing but in Bollywood in general (though the audience doesn’t see Aamir as ‘reluctant’ in the same way when it comes to certain choices of the present.. this is where something like Ghajini was important because Aamir was also seen to have been with the program when it mattered despite being a different sort otherwise). In other words if one doesn’t have Aamir’s judgment where one can design the right kind of stuff that is meaningful but also has minimal box office viability one is stuck in a Bollywood that has no room for the real. It’s not even about hits or flops. It is simply not the best use of Abhishek’s physicality or talent set to have him in stuff like HNY or whatever. Not because he isn’t good at comedy and so on but because these films don’t allow him to be ‘special’ the way Yuva or Guru or Sarkar or some other films did. Meanwhile most of the other stars are special precisely doing Rowdy or Dabanng or whatever! This again is the Aamir problem though he’s simply had uncanny judgment beginning with Lagaan to really fashion a career that has been one of Bollywood’s most improbable ones (given where how he started out).

    Getting back to Dhoom there’s an interesting crossing of lines for the first time in the franchise between the ‘hero’ and the ‘anti-hero’, assuming the film does something with this. Because for the first time the old neat polarity doesn’t hold. Aamir isn’t John/Hrithik which means the eye-candy sweepstakes don’t work as easily for him. Abhishek’s more imposing physicality now creates a better balance (which was true in the first one too.. in the second one he was clearly too laid-back for the film.. but more importantly he just had very mechanical moments here.. everything was given over to the villain who could of course dance and look like a million bucks!). But even more interestingly since the villain is more cerebral here and has a masala backstory the cop doesn’t have a monopoly on rootedness. In this sense the film operates in more grey area because Aamir and Abhishek are really much more on the same side of the equation than Abhishek/John or Abhishe/Hrithik. In other words you can really see how a Heat-like situation might work here where there could be a meaningful ‘conversation’ between the two.

    of course all of this could be the film I might have directed, not the one that’s on display! But my point here is that Aamir is being criticized for the wrong reasons. It’s absurd to think that he could ever just have done a Hrithik or a John here. Why take Aamir anyway if you just wanted a repeat of that? Clearly they’ve tried to account for his own brand appeal with a more cerebral character. I actually think he looks a bit more psychotic a la John and less like the charming, friendly Latin stud Hrithik was. This is a plus because the former works better in my view, again assuming a balance (if you’re giving the film over to the villain you might as well have Hrithik who can then run the eye candy show!). The rest really depends on the film. The advertising so far (barring some of the stills) has been extremely one-sided. One hopes there’s more balance in the film. Because it might be a mistake even in the box office sense to have a D2 setup and just replace Hrithik with Aamir. I don’t believe that’s the case here though. And yes in the larger sense whether one finds Aamir convincing or not lots of benchmarks will be crossed proving the opposite! Here I am amused by some who otherwise find the box office argument completely definitive in all these matters but are suddenly pretending to be more subtle about Aamir and D3.

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    • By the way the folks who complain about Aamir not being as convincing in D3 don’t have the same problems when the eye candy actor takes up serious roles and is completely implausible. Then suddenly we’re told we’re witnessing a thespian’s performance and what not! Again in Bollywood the crazy thing is that if you are not really a serious actor you aren’t taken to task very much for attempting something far above your pay grade whereas the serious actor is held to a much higher bar for doing Race or Dhoom! Having said that don’t believe Aamir will have a ‘review’ problem with D3.

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    • IdeaUnique Says:

      “There is the Idea school of thought where Aamir is talented enough to lead a space mission next week (if he chooses to) or alternatively audition for Karunanidhi’s job (after surpassing him in Tamil fluency). Leaving this aside though and to be serious (!) much of the Aamir criticism misses the mark. Much as the fans go to the other extreme. Let me talk about the latter first. In a move which is by no means unique to Aamir’s fans (though it’s unfortunate to see them go down this route) any and every thing he does is completely justifiable and it’s ‘sad’ to see how others don’t appreciate everything he’s doing for the greater good of humanity. Where he’s good he should be ‘appreciated’, where he isn’t (dancing or whatever) he should nonetheless be ‘appreciated’ for trying something new and pushing himself. But let me try and get serious once more…

      ha ha ha ha – i was thoroughly entertained with this and the only other time i’ll feel so wud be – i guess – when i come out after watching D3 in a theater 🙂 Aamir did work for 2 years for D3 I guess and Karunanidhi’s job can be given to abhi without any audition 😉 aamir looks good while fighting / dancing / acting – he is a complete entertainer – if you don’t want to believe it – that should be ok. Paying public answers in different ways 🙂

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    • Re: “There is the Idea school of thought where Aamir is talented enough to lead a space mission next week (if he chooses to) or alternatively audition for Karunanidhi’s job (after surpassing him in Tamil fluency).”

      Lol, this cracked me up!

      This goes back to my comment yesterday on the Gunday thread. It isn’t a mystery that the actor is held to an often unreasonable standard that others aren’t: the truth is that many in the contemporary audience, and hence many in the industry, celebrate effort, not talent. Or rather, only that which proceeds from effort is recognized as talent, the sort that is worthy of moral virtue. Thus we have folks going more ga ga over Aamir developing the ghajini six packs than over him in rangeela aur Earth. He of course always had prestige as an actor, but by doing what he did for ghajini, he parlayed that prestige into a currency that signifies value to Bollywood’s young male consumers…

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      • agreed completely..

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        that is aptly put Q – but in aamir’ case i guess if he does effort to get into a role – he is termed as “method actor” and what not! if he didn’t do such efforts earlier – he was termed something else than talented! he is not a superman but let us not take away the fact that the man is a superlative combo of talent + a very astute sense of what audience wants + a team-player who thinks in terms of the final product (at the cost of his own solo-hero image to a certain extent) – but nay! aamir has to be criticized no matter what! his limitations – evenif they exist to a small proportions – shd be laser-beamed………..but the man comes out as a winner wading all these – and that is what I like about him!

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        • “he is not a superman but let us not take away the fact that the man is a superlative combo of talent + a very astute sense of what audience wants + a team-player who thinks in terms of the final product (at the cost of his own solo-hero image to a certain extent)”

          the latter is what some of us believe.. the former is what you believe!

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          • IdeaUnique Says:

            why wud i write something if i didn’t believe? 🙂 Satyam u need to catch up with some abhi-movie till D3 hits the screens 😉

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          • It’s your statements idea! Anyway my larger point here is, and as someone who’s consistently argued for Aamir for the longest time, that Aamir fans shouldn’t become like SRK fans! So for instance you are always talking about Aamir doing 100 or 200 or 300 or whatever. Till it gets to Talaash where such numbers don’t seem likely and then you’re about ‘I don’t care how much this film does because it’s such a beautiful film’! But that should be the stance all along. We all celebrate his success, at least those of us who are fans of his, but to obsess with the box office in this highest number sense is to cancel out the very project he’s been a part of for so long. In other words it would be like my arguing for D6 or Ratnam or whatever all these years and then suddenly being completely on board if Abhishek did a number of Rohit Shetty films that grossed massively. One can be happy about the star’s success without going into this terrain where any and everything the star does is perfect. So yes I do know that you believe it. You do believe that from tap dancing to action stunts to working out to serious performances there’s nothing Aamir doesn’t do as convincingly as anything else. But I don’t think any Aamir ‘interest’ is served by adopting such an ‘unthinking’ position. D3 might gross 500 crores. That still wouldn’t prove Aamir is a great dancer or that he’s great at action stunts. It would prove something about his stardom of course, it might prove other things too but not some others. Much as being in a number of hits does not make certain stars fine actors. The ‘paying public’ (to rely on this meaningless abstraction) ‘likes’ films and stars for lots of reasons. Having said that even though I don’t find Aamir most convincing doing some of this stuff I also don’t have an issue, at least so far I haven’t had one on the D3 front. It’s by no means the deal breaker many are pretending it is. Or if it there should be lots of other deal breakers in town. But this doesn’t mean one has to go to the other extreme. Beyond a point it ceases to be about the star even in a loose sense and simply becomes a cult of personality. Precisely because I have argued for Aamir for so long that I refuse to not call out folks when I see him being hijacked in what I consider to be crude ways. Some of it is inevitable given all his extraordinary success. But this kind of narrative must be resisted where Aamir is only about the 300 crores. It’s obvious what he’s going to do in box office terms with the D2/Hirani combo. There simply cannot be anything better in terms of combining the ultimate Bollywood franchise (the biggest film) with the best commercial director at the moment (i.e. the one who has the best track record while also doing meaningful entertainment) and who’s of course coming off 3I with the same star. Aamir is going to reset all these parameters once again. So those who are crude enough to only have this definition of a star’s worth will once again be forced to clam up. But there’s no reason why more intelligent fans of Aamir have to resort to the same yardstick or use it as the only one.

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          • IdeaUnique Says:

            After a long time (I think after Big B) – India has got an actor about him we can comprehensively talk in terms of talent as well as B.O. – who else is there? SRK/Sallu/Akki/HR/AD? – it goes without saying that Indian audience feels safer when they are heading for an aamir-movie – safer in the sense that he would entertain them (as he has said often that the main purpose of cinema is to entertain). I think Big B was someone who had created such an aura…..

            And the fact that aamir tries to break norms and push himself every time helps his cause and suddenly his peers start looking so small in terms of variety.

            What should he do to lessen the amount of criticism thrown at him? Don’t forget he has to cater Indian audience where emotions play a huge role in the films and so he has to be in that box and yet try to give something “out of the box” each time…..a touch act i guess which others haven’t much bothered even to try so far.

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  153. I have no doubt Amir is a great and serious actor. His dancing is not as fluid as Hrithiks . And to compare him to Gene Kelly is alittle unfair imho. Amir is more like a Sean Penn to me. One of the reasons item numbers detract from movies that dont really need them. For once I would like to see that..probably has been done I just dont know it. The ‘eye candy’ actor can pull it off even being comical ie; Shahid Kapoor..he’s cute and lovable…and then there’s the demographics 🙂 Katrina isnt being taken seriously…yet..Deepsie is just getting more help from certain quarters ever since OSO.

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    • Check this out maggie—this ones for u

      Dhoom Advent calendar –updated daily by filmigirl
      Enjoy 🙂

      http://filmigirl.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/a-very-dhoom-advent-calendar-day-3.html

      “that Aamir fans shouldn’t become like SRK fans! “– agree Satyam … The aamir fan is no different form the srk fan actually, barring some superficial differences (as can be seen here…)

      Btw abhishrek is giving good vibes here and won’t he surprised if the repairs of aamir getting insecure about Abhisheks role..
      Aamir fans keep giving the example of ‘multistarrer’ rdb where aamir ‘stood out’ and /or was ‘generous’
      Not ONE of the rdb cast was a draw, forget about ‘star’-so not entirely comparable …

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    • >And to compare him to Gene Kelly is alittle unfair imho.

      Why not?
      Haven’t we been brainwashed into thinking he’s the perfectionist?
      Anyway my idea was to show a good posture is important while doing this dance, not the one Amir has, the inelegance of which drove me to take refuge in Gene Kelly’s dancing.

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      • Just checked –liked that Gene Kelly dance clip-hadn’t seem it before-thanx goldie..
        And agree that dance is much better than Aamirs laughable ‘tap dance’ for which he apparently took two months off …
        Ps: Goldie–u picked up a good point about ‘holding the body straight’ in such dance steps…
        Seems u are into dancing (or learning it !) caught ya 🙂

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      • Aamir is not Tap dancing. He is Stomping and not doing a good job of that type of dance either – see the movie Stomp the Yard for an idea of how the dance should be performed.

        We have two non-dancers – Aamir and Katrina in Dhoom 3 after having two dancers like Hrithik and Aishwarya in Dhoom 2 so there is bound to be comparisons.

        I’m taking a pass on Dhoom 3 but I’m sure it will put up big box office numbers sadly.

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  154. IdeaUnique Says:

    little off-topic: I am just abt to watch this movie – has anyone seen it? RT / IMDB reviews are good – Spoorloos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHODE81qy1A)

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  155. Satyam u take Idea’s statements way too seriously . He is a fanboy and he dont pretend otherwise except him i dont see any Aamir fan going crazy over Aamir or Dhoom 3 on the blog so to say Aamir fans are becoming like Srk fans is totally false and unfair .

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    • No I’ve noticed some others too. They’re not Idea’s level, I’ll concede that but there is this ‘moralistic’ tone that comes into play with Aamir where one is somehow obliged to defend everything. Now I’m not being naive here, many star fans are like this. I just think Aamir has avoided this structure more than most stars and it’s ironic to see some of the fans do these things. Not all by any means, just some.

      On your initial point though a number of SRK fans were ‘fanboys’ too. They should also not be taken seriously. This is true for very many fans! Again I am simply trying to suggest that one can be a bit more restrained when it comes to Aamir precisely because he’s tried hard to chart out a different course. This doesn’t prevent anyone from praising him for the right reasons. And again I still don’t have an issue with the tap-dance, convincing or not. Because again I don’t like these red flags going up in one particular case when stars do so much that is unconvincing all the time. Yes the bar is higher for an actor like Aamir because of the decisions he’s taken but still I’ve certainly not seen anything in the D3 advertising that’s a big problem for me. Were certain things avoidable? Perhaps. But it’s not a big deal.

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      • >when stars do so much that is unconvincing all the time.

        Yes, but unconvincing is not the same as laughable. And I mean it. I haven’t been commenting at all on his unconvincingness till now – that stance on the motorbike, that fixed expression of strangely pursed lips, that insecure body language on the ring like trapeze or whatever circus apparatus it is (like in Luck by Chance) etc etc, but this one…really….

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        • “I haven’t been commenting at all on his unconvincingness till now – that stance on the motorbike, that fixed expression of strangely pursed lips, that insecure body language on the ring like trapeze or whatever circus apparatus it is (like in Luck by Chance) etc etc, but this one…really….”
          Rofl nice comment 🙂

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        • Admittedly you shouldn’t try something as technically demanding as tap dancing if you’re not a dancer. Even a dancer would find it hard to get it right without rigorous training. However where you completely lose me is when you start comparing him to one of the greatest tap dancers in cinema and one highly regarded even otherwise! Let’s put it this way, even someone like Hrithik if he attempted tap would seem quite crude compared to Gene Kelly. It’s simply not serious to make this comparison.

          On the convincing/laughable bit I think these are word games beyond a point. I can accept this adjective but then you’d have to say a lot of what SRK does is laughable. The same goes for many other stars.

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          • Exactly, fans of stars who enact retards and superheroes with the same two-tonal expression, should not be caught up in others’ ‘laughabilities’.

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          • This is your day.. check out the images again!

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          • awwww, now you’re hurt. But;

            >even someone like Hrithik if he attempted tap would seem quite crude compared to Gene Kelly.

            But he didn’t. He knows his limits in dancing.

            >It’s simply not serious to make this comparison.

            Come on. He’s a ….err…. perfectionist. No?

            >On the convincing/laughable bit I think these are word games beyond a point.

            If you stop I’ll stop too – playing word games 😉

            > but then you’d have to say a lot of what SRK does is laughable.

            And I’m sure you laughed/laugh your head off the way I’m doing now. 😀

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          • the perfectionist thing is a bit silly.. Aamir has never claimed any such thing. In fact he’s said quite the opposite. Certainly the good directors he’s worked with (hirani, Mehra etc) have always said they’ve found his inputs very helpful. As for the others it’s just as well that Aamir exerts more authority given the way most Bollywood films shape up!

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          • But no worries, if he was accepted in Gajhani where he was very laughable too, he’ll be accepted here too.

            You know how Indian audience is. No standards.

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          • yes that probably explains SRK’s success..

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          • Not quite … SRK’s success transcended across to other countries too, much more so then other actors so I guess his is a global epidemic of poor indian audience standards not just one central to India.

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          • >yes that probably explains SRK’s success

            And Amir’s. LOL.

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        • Sure the tapdance is cringeworthy, but not much else. By your strict exacting standards pretty much everything in Bwood is laughable. Its not like your fav is a paragon of method acting.

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          • “Its not like your fav is a paragon of method acting.”
            Neither is your favorite actor or for that matter neither are almost every single Bollywood actor.

            Disagree that this isn’t much cringeworthy than other bollywood stuff. Yes this is way better than anything Ajay Devgan has or will ever do in terms of dancing but that’s not saying much. It might be a little better Akshay Kumar’s stuff. But even something such as putting your hands in your pockets and moving them or flexing your muscles, both of which sound very cringeworthy in theory, end up looking very entertaining in application (ie Dhinka Chika, Bodyguard) only and solely because of Salman Khan. And no current actor (Khan generation or younger) can match SRK in terms of energy in dancing. Even now. I was just watching some youtube videos of his recent Temptations Concert and the man dances for 8 straight minutes. And by dancing I don’t mean the putting your hands in the air and posing dancing but the Chaiya Chaiya/Baazigar/Chammak Challo dancing.

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        “No I’ve noticed some others too. They’re not Idea’s level, I’ll concede that……” – we have two fanboys here – idea and Satyam (for abhishreeeek) 🙂 Rajkumar “jani” said – “Dade to Duniya me sirf do hi he…….ek uparwala aur dusre hum” – so here “fanboys to duniya me do hi he……ek Satyam aur dusre hum” :-)) check at 1:20 here…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkraS9DQyTU&list=PL198F8C636F3A5B3C&index=5

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  157. I hope this tapdance is in the end credits only, so we are spared the necessity to cringe for those few mins. Whatever credibility he gained by showing the effort that went into the Malang circus act will be lost with this tapdance try. Thoda zyaada hi kheench liya, ab itna bhi nahi hum lapetengey.

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    • LOL agreed, this is so bad, but it’s a one-off kind of deal for Aamir. I don’t think he will ever do another film like this again.

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  158. Why are you even surprised that Aamir is facing this kind of hostility? I mean ‘people’ out here and elsewhere think that HR kissing Aishwarya was a show of manliness in D2 and that somehow ‘emasculated’ Abhishek!! This is the crass level of discourse!! And you think people making fun of Aamir purely based on his height or physique is harsh? All of a sudden, now, it seems Abhishek is the ‘hero’ of D3! HR fans were actually fueling the narrative that HR stomped over Abhishek in D2 though it was clear even to the dumbest person ever born on this earth that the script was COMPLETELY one-sided. KAALA PATTHAR would have been ‘lesser’ of a powerful cinematic experience had Chopra NOT made Shatru’s character as crowd-pleasing and combative against Amitabh’s. You don’t make Bale’s Purvis a ‘weakling’ to upgrade Depp’s Dilinger!

    As Satyam put it finely, it is what YOU expect from an Aamir Khan film if you like him as an artiste. Are you interested in solely being a part of the cr(wh)ore club with this D3 and PK or are you expecting the films’ entertainment quotient to rise with the involvement of Aamir? What did one set out for with TALAASH? A fine, cinematic experience or some moolah-making machine? One has to have the priorities clear. Is one, as an Aamir fan, merely expecting Aamir to replace the stud Hrithik is and played or to bring some nuance to this plastic film to the degree that this kind of a film permits? If this film, with the involvement of Aamir, proves to be far more entertaining than the previous ones with regard to its terrain, the job is done. I am NOT expecting Aamir to give an earth-shattering performance or to ‘over-take’ any actor – he cannot, not because he is obviously NEVER going to be the magazine-favorite looker that HR or JA is, but because apparently, he has been provided D3 on a platter with a strong back-story by Hrithik!! Go figure.

    If the 100 or 200 or 900 crore or whatever comes by, good; if not, that’s still fine. Because Aamir will win the war and not some cr(wh)ore battles by ensuring the faith the public expecting his films have in him as an artiste and not rushing into ‘scammed’ clubs! His fans should be disappointed if he joins the Roshans’ Arithmetic Coaching Classes and learns how to make it to the 200+ crore club by changing the laws of Arithmetic (or worse still if you endorse it by posting links from Chandamama to Penthouse to Amar Chitra Katha that claim the movie has crossed zzz crores or whatever) ; if he starts being a motor-mouth uttering that the car chases in D3 will make heads in the WEST, EAST, SOUTH, and the North Pole turn; if he starts lying through the teeth about collections and having delusions as though his ‘acrobatic’ and magical turns in D3 will give Nolan a run for his money.
    I would much rather take a movie that is liked by the audience that had placed faith in it due to the fact that it starred an actor who is known to supply quality products rather than some movie which has kids dragging their parents to a movie and more than half of the parents come out with a headache. It doesn’t matter if the movie stops making money at 185 crores and 75 naya paise but is still liked and has better shelf-value. If Aamir, of all, hasn’t given this thought-process a thought, and is simply trying to ‘replace’ Hrithik or any n-packed actor, then it is a much, much bigger loss than the movie not making money.

    Just don’t have ‘delusions’, that’s all. Having said that, yes, Aamir HAS put in a lot of effort – but this is a cruel industry, and one ALWAYS judges by the output, not the input. You might have worked 22 hours last night on testing healthcare.gov but if you mess up and decide NOT to do end2end testing, you WILL most probably end up with egg on your face. Doesn’t matter how much Obama’s heart is supposedly in the right place. You can appreciate the effort, but if Aamir looks ill at-ease doing certain acts, he does! No need to defend that. He DEFINITELY looked ill-at ease hammering Mukesh Rishi in BAAZI. And he definitely was irritating in MELA. But he was mind-blowing in SARFAROSH simply because his character conveyed and relied more on a powerful mind-set more than physical agility.
    After seeing DIL SE, I realized NO actor at that point could have replaced SRK. He was simply just too right for the role. But SRK would have hammed and made a mess of RANGEELA’s Munna and Rancho in 3 IDIOTS. Of all people, Aamir should know that he is NOT an actor that can be the be-all and end-all of a film but he still can manage to have people glued to their seats. The days of elevating quality, quantity, some trash, to higher levels single-handedly died with Amitabh Bachchan and they don’t seem to be coming back.

    Not all good/entertaining films make money and not all bad films flop. So the criteria for Aamir should be whether he has added value (yes this might be an oxymoron to the Dhoom franchise!) to DHOOM as an artiste or not. If he fails on that front, hold him brutally accountable by all means. But if you are going to watch D3 primarily expecting him to usher in a new cr(wh)ore club or be as agile and ‘user-friendly’ as HR, well, good luck with that!

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    • Agree with almost everything you said. But about the whole “Aamir has put in a lot of effort” argument: it’s not like everyone else is sitting on their asses at home. Salman Khan has trigeminal neuralgia aka the suicide disease and still his last 7 movies and 2 forthcoming movies are action intense movies. SRK has chronic back pain yet he did a Ra.1/Don 2. A year before Aamir did the abs thing, SRK did it in Om Shanti Om. Hrithik Roshan has gotten injured god knows how many times doing intense stunts and the man just had a blood clot in his brain.

      This whole Aamir has put in a lot of effort in it argument is useless. So since SRK invested 150-200 crores of his own money in Ra.1 so we should all respect it because of that. Jacky Bhagwani also worked for months and months on his Abs and body for Ajab Gazab Love (or something like that)

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      • He didn’t invest 150-200 crores of his own money. C’mon…! He was the producer, that doesn’t entail putting all of your own money on the project.

        The effort point is a fair one though and leaving aside who puts in more effort or less the fact is that I don’t like to think of actors as worker bees who just work out, put in a hard day’s work and that’s about it. It’s unfortunate that audiences respond to this kind of framing more than anything else these days. It converts acting into the ‘hardest day’ at the gym! Standards change but as Qalandar properly reminded us the other day in Bollywood the debate seems to begin and end with this.

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        • It really is unfortunate and someone (very rightly) said on the Gunday page that Arjun and Ranveer look like the furthest thing from 2 refugee Bengalis who are now the biggest Gunda’s in Kolkata. But I would be more okay with this if it was “macho” work out and buff. The fit/muscles/abs that we see of the younger generation today is just so Karan Johar/Bansali’s ideal version of a man. Looking at Arjun Kapoor and Ranbir Kapoor(if he ever does become “buff”, he will be by far the best example of a wimp hitting the gym) just makes me want to slap them.

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      • @ Raj/Satyam:

        That’s what I am saying. This is a medium where the output matters foremost. I am not supporting this logic that AK or anybody slept for 3 hours for 55 nights to get their film completed or to learn some new rope trick and hence they deserve accolades. HR and RR burnt the midnight oil on K3 but ended up producing a juvenile film with a pathetic orgasmic HR at every ‘intense’ shot & a lop-sided act at every ‘retard’ act. But Salman with 4 expressions under his belt keeps playing the same kick-ass guy in every film and rakes in the moolah… So it doesn’t matter.

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    • ‘It doesn’t matter if the movie stops making money at 185 crores and 75 naya paise but is still liked and has better shelf-value.’

      Exactly. But this holds true for all films. I loved Talaash and I don’t bother about the fact that it was only a semi-hit. I am not too enthused about Dhoom 3, but I do hope that it is an overall entertainer that benefits all actors concerned.

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      • I’m quite certain D3 will be supremely entertaining. the theatrical trailer erased any doubts I might have had based on the early stuff. You just get a sense with some films. Think it’s looking very sharp (i.e. for the genre and for the franchise it’s been). On Talaash this is one of my very favorite Aamir films since he relaunched his career with Lagaan. Might even take it over everything else.

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        • I liked Talaash, but found aamir too subdued. Sarfarosh remains my favourite aamir film. Watch him at one minute plus in this video scene collection of his films– matching Naseeruddin step for step. Sad to see him now reduced to competing with youngsters, trying to do stuff out of his comfort zone. Brave but foolish.

          http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/more/videos/view/id/2272699

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        • I pretty much agree – the main piece of advertising is the theatrical trailer and it is not a poor one by any stretch – if anything it probably was better than one expected. Malang is grand in terms of presentation but is quite an average song – quite a typical beat and tune for today’s taste but very recycled. It’s rather typical to be catchy than soulful or meaningful today. A few loud catchy moments like “Malang, malang” and we have a catchy song today LOL
          And the tap dance doesn’t work. Suffice to say, like the ending song in Delhi Belly it reaks of over thinking, complicating something quite simple. I’ve always preferred villains overseeing an item number, being in the room, being romanced or seduced than to be dancing themselves! Leave that for the hero’s…unless its legitimately done in a villainous way!
          In the grand scheme, the tap dance nor Malang is not going to drive interest in the film – especially when the opening is going to historic no matter.

          Creatively I think this debate on “effort” and Aamir’s claims this is his most challenging role is pure marketing and nothing to read into. The claims are h