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oh i forgot–this has THE two blue eyed ‘boys’ of this blog together
aamir and abhishrek!!
the yrf factor is neutrialised for the time being
expect the MOTHER of all buildups
the other point here is about abhishrek–its good to see him exercise caution after BB –but to do nothing else for one year for essentiually a
supporting role where he wont get much credit should be a concern to his fans and apologists
ps–i think with aamir, abhishrek will get the best chance to trump the villian (if there ever was given the genre)
time for abhishrek to ‘avenge’ dhoom 2 esp the the Ash-HR kiss!!
Abhishrek has certain demons to deal with here…lol
Yes Dhoom and demon must be synonymous to Abhishek.
Dhoom 1 was the first hit in his already long career – but John got more out of it since the movie made him an overnight youth star for his style quotient. No ramp model could have asked for a better outcome in the second year of his career.
Dhoom 2 was of course the downfall of Abhishek’s promise with which the media went a bit overboard in 2005. Hrithik turned him into an irrelevant side actor while making merry with Ash. The ‘irrevelance’ became more prominent as the movie went on to become one of the biggest blockbusters and not another hit like the first one.
Worse of it all, 8 years after Dhoom 1 – we see John still hogging limelight in Race 2 and also has an interesting release in Shootout at Wadala next year. Whereas Abhishek is reduced to doing one movie a year due to lack of offers – and getting only supporting roles!
Even as producers, John has gone way ahead. While Abhishek managed to ride on his ‘Paa’ – John produced one of the best movies this year which was also a Superhit!
on the two ‘blue-eyed boys’ of this blog–aamir and abhishrek —cant resist adding…
The only and true blue eyed boy of satyam is abhishrek!
aamir is more of a front/ a trojan to deal /cope with some others who unfortunately abhishrek could never stand upto
🙂
Don’t think YRF would over publicize this, I would be surprised if they did. The promotion would be like any other film of theirs with all the first look posters, teaser and theatrical trailer etc.
This is just to announce a release date as there has been a lot of confusion regarding it.
‘Dhoom 3’ might me the last of the Dhoom franchise courtesy Aamir Khan.
As per speculations, Aamir who dislikes to be replaced especially in sequels, as he believes that his character should be immortalized and not replicated, has allegedly entered into a contract with the producers of the film.
The contract mentions that after ‘Dhoom 3’ there shall not be any further franchise of the most talked speedster film.
Taking the speculation ahead, if the producers wish to go ahead with the franchise then Aamir shall be not replaced and would continue as one of the leading star cast like the constant characters of the film, Abhishek Bachchan as Jay Dixit and Uday Chopra as Ali mechanic.
“If this happens, there is no scope for the franchise to grow since Dhoom is known for its adventurous stories with the negative characters playing the surprise element,” adds a film critic who wished not to named.
Meanwhile, YRF spokesperson stated the story as baseless “There is absolutely no truth in any part of this query,” spokesperson concluded.
Out of his four last releases, three of Aamir Khan’s films have released on Christmas. But, if rumours are to believed, his upcoming film Dhoom 3, which was also set to hit the marquee on Christmas this year, has apparently been pushed forward. The Aamir Khan-Katrina Kaif starrer is said to now release on December 17 instead.
According to the trade, the change of date is to capitalise on the Christmas vacations, with no other major film releasing during the period.
A source from the production house says, “The makers are still in two minds about deciding the exact date. The banner is also considering December 20 for the film’s release.”
The spokesperson from YRF remained unavailable for comment.
If it is releasing on 25th Dec then it has two weekdays on 26th and 27th to reckon with. Even otherwise I think CE pretty much maxed the screen count and the 3 day – 100 cr collection is pretty much what one can match. Maybe 110 crs but you need the second and third day to be holidays. With a 25th Dec release date, D3 can just break the opening day record but the 3 day total will be within 100 surely. If anything K3 has a better chance at the 3 day record as it has 3 open days of Diwali and it is smartly releasing after the Pooja day. So K3 – 3day will be greater than D3 3 day if D3 is releasing on Christmas. In the Long run both can go past 3I assuming CE doesnt break that.
CE had an unparalleled release date with friday being a holiday and saturday being day after Eid and then Sunday. You need similar kind of release date for the 3 day record to be broken. Whether D3 releases on 20th or 25th , you cannot match the CE release date, hence breaking the 3 day record is very difficult IMO
There is once again a ‘biggest-film-around’ vibe to this latest one in the series. And one can hardly disagree. It’s the sort of film that’s really beyond trailers and posters in the sense that you don’t really have to produce great stuff on either score to get this the biggest initial around. Of course the quality of the film does matter for the final number. Which is not to say I don’t expect an effective trailer or good posters here. Do think however that this preliminary one isn’t very flattering to Aamir. Not that he’s doing anything wrong but this sort of ‘physique’ shot works less easily with him. The way it might have with Hrithik or someone else in that gym body mould. Not that it matters in terms of raising audience interest. And in any case the real message here is ‘Aamir in Dhoom, ‘Nuff said’!
But nothing other than the hat works, at least for me. This is just silly… but then again, given this is a follow up to the wannabe as can be Dhoom 2, can’t say I’m surprised.
If Ghajini worked, this will too. In any case, much of what Bwood offers in this genre (as well as superhero genre) is copy-pasted from hwood. The aam junta doesn’t seem to mind.
I wish they had set it in a major Indian city. Would have gone well with the times (a return to India moment in many ways) but also would have made for a better film. Yes it’s a Hollywood-inspired genre but it doesn’t have to be set in Chicago or a city outside India. But once again it’s the colonization discourse at work here. It’s not enough to emulate the genre, the ‘Indian’ must be seen as comfortably occupying Hollywood space.
It might seem to be the sort of plastic genre where the city doesn’t make a difference and so on. This is true upto a point. Because when a film is set on more local terrain there are automatically more immediate physical and cultural cues that anchor the subject. Actually after D2 it would have been fun to go more in the other director and do a much more rooted Dhoom. But even if not a big less visited Indian city would have been great. When you do it on South Africa or Chicago it’s automatically the tourist view of these places. The film then becomes about a city onto which the subject is simply grafted on rather than being connected to it in a more organic sense.
Now it might seem that the audience doesn’t care about all this but I disagree. They might not be able to ‘theorize’ about this stuff but this is where a film can be more or less liked. for instance even though D2 did very well I thought then and I do now that it could have been the first film to touch 100 crores. In 2006. But they went in for the low-hanging fruit, the script was pedestrian, the face-off wasn’t really there, it was still enjoyable fare but it could have been more. With Aamir on board I certainly expect the best script of the franchise so far.
But i would still bet on D3 for opening bigger. Aamir’s presence, plus aamir in a negative role for rhe first time ( am ignoring the ice – candy act in earth ). Add to it the Dhoom Franchise.
This one should open huge. It should definitely have the biggest day. I’m fairly sure that it can touch 37.5 easily ( on 98-100 % occupancy ). If this movie cannot get a 100 % opening , none can.
Chennai Express smashed the Overseas opening weekend by nearly $2 million. The top Overseas opening weekends are as follows. All collections are for the first three full days.
1. Chennai Express – $7,100,000
2. My Name Is Khan – $5,300,000
3. Don 2 -$5,100,000
4. Ra.One – $4,900,000
5. Talaash – £4,800,000
6. Jab Tak Hai Jaan – $4,600,000
7. Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna – $4,400,000
8. Om Shanti Om – $4,300,000
9. 3 Idiots -$4,000,000
10. Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani – $3,900,000
think D3 will have the biggest opening ever by a margin. The rest is of course about the film. But again it should also be beating the 200 crore number by a very wide margin. Actually looking at the history of the franchise as well as what other films have been doing it recent times it really shouldn’t do less than 300. But again all of that depends not just on the quality of the film but the kind of product it is.
there is a very funny article in a gujarati daily that most of the audience feels cheated after watching CE and they reacted by saying that they’d better watched POGO on TV 🙂
But agree with Satyam –that for dhoom3, the first look etc doesn’t matter.
D3 should easily out score every film including krish3
But that’s not due to the man to man comparison
But bcos
D3 has too many other goodies & gimmicks
Katrina
Sidekicks abhishrek & uday
The ‘cool’ franchise
The hangover equity from Hritiks own defintive take in D2
In other words, Aamirs contribution to d3 success should be even less than his contribution to 3i (though aamir would have definitely made the script better and more water tight in d3!)
As for krish3—it’s just a one-man show (the goodies/gimmicks arent there other than the superhero angle that in itself isn’t exactly safe in Bollywood!!
Ps: so Satyam– how much will ya give d3 & krish3 first weekend and lifetime …
it would be disappointing if both films did not exceeds 200 crores by significant margins. I would expect each film to repeat its previous performance. All else being equal D3 should easily have the biggest initial and final gross. But beyond this it of course depends on the film. However there would be no excuse for either film not crossing 200. If YJHD can do 185 or so largely on the strength of multiplexes a Krrish 3 or a D3 with universal appeal should do way more than this in every sense.
in D3 – we can expect some gripping story also apart from super-action as aamir must have worked on the script – so it might turn out to be a repeat watch
I will go opposite to what Satyam says here. K3 will have the bigger 3 day initial than D3 purely because of the release date. Long term i agree both has the potential to go over 200. D3 ofcourse is the bigger film here in terms of pure hype but with rakesh roshan at the helm i expect K3 to be more single screen friendly.
Interestingly no one is talking about the budget of these films. Both should have 100+ cr budget and would be sold for around 200 crs. YRF may distribute D3 themselves in some areas so D3 may have lesser distribution costs. Having said that i am not even sure if 200 crs is good enough for these movies to get into the profits. But no one cares about that, definitely not the likes of Taran or BOI for that matter. Or else Dabang 2 which was sold for 180 crs and made 150 crs would never have been called a superhit!!. And less said about Ra-1 the better.
Ok and something I’ve been meanin to say for a while—
Get aamir and hritik together face to face in any bloody script in dhoom setup
Hritik will rape aamir !!!! Day n nite
BUT I Always felt dhoom2 was one film where abhishrek was unfairly maligned by public and blogs!!!
ANYBODY in place of abhishrek would’ve been overshadowed by HR in dhoom2
Aamir is shrewdly benefitting fro the dhoom1 & 2 momentum which has a lot of contribution from HR & even abhishrek
Aamir however is lucky and safe here (like in 3i)
The roles won’t be fair (forget equal)
But in a DHOOM setup
Give them equalish roles
And I won’t even rule out abhishrek giving aamir a run for his money!!
disagree actually.. in a fair face-off he wouldn’t have overshadowed Abhishek..in the earlier MPKDH though the film didn’t work most preferred Abhishek even though he had a supporting role. The thing is when you do these face-offs you have to play to the strengths of each star. Hrithik got his stuff, Abhishek didn’t. But in scenes where he had the chance he was very effective. For instance in the climactic fight where he jumps without a parachute and so on. Hrithik has certain strengths as a star which come out well in certain genres. So Dhoom plays more to his strengths than Aamir’s. Actually even Abhishek is fine in the genre. No one had a problem with him in the first Dhoom. Because he has a certain physicality that in a more restrained way works well against the villain’s flamboyance. But it still has to be given enough space. So while I agree this isn’t Aamir’s genre he has vastly more credibility as an actor and so can bring some other resources to the table. In the same way he wouldn’t have seemed ideal for the Ghajini part but he did very well here.
On D3 here’s the thing. I am quite confident there won’t be a repeat of D2 for Abhishek here. But the media narrative completely favors Aamir. And for obvious reasons. Also this isn’t the Bol Bachchan deal. It’s harder to get the better of a villain who has the cool stunt moments, the big actress and so on. They would have to give Abhishek’s character some real space for parity to be possible. In BB he had the obvious attention-attracting moments with the double and so on. On that note if he does Happy New Year I am very confident he’d get the better of SRK, specially since this doesn’t look to be the usual kind of role for SRK (according to Farah Khan). Plus there’s a rumor that Abhishek might have another double here. But with D3 Aamir is a much much bigger star at the moment and there’s not much Abhishek can do about the narrative.
to add to this the dark brooding type often gets the better of the cheerful, happy guy in this sort of face-off. But again things have to be kept fair. I always thought that the first Dhoom was the better film because it had the right balance. D2 could have made a 100 in 2006 had it been a better script. With Aamir around though I expect the best film of the franchise and I’m also interested in seeing how they deal with the face-off with two ‘cerebral’ types.
and here’s another mental experiment on that score. Consider how it would be if in Yuva Hrithik did Vivek’s role (Ratnam apparently wanted him once)..!
The thing is that when you have plastic genres it favors a certain kind of star. But for the more serious star-actor you need a better set-up. Because if it’s about the plastic the relatively superficial actor/star benefits. When it’s about the authentic that’s where the men can be separated from the boys. Could you imagine Hrithik doing a Guru?!
Agreed Rajen, Satyam sir should not entertain such things. But to be honest, This fact needs to known and understood by one and all, before throwing rocks at Jr. And who better than Satyam sir to analyse and bring fore the right answer/balance to it.
“With Aamir around though I expect the best film of the franchise and I’m also interested in seeing how they deal with the face-off with two ‘cerebral’ types.”
i think abhi will benefit tremendously from D3 because aamir never over-shadows the co-stars and opts for an overall good product. So Abhi is quite likely to deliver a competent performance here.
yes that’s quite true. Aamir for instance would never do a D2. He would of course know how it could benefit him but he’s much more interested in the larger integrity of the script. We saw this in RDB for example where he wasn’t interested in dominating the film in the usual ways. In fact a Hindi star in Siddharth’s role quite easily have stolen the film from him (this role was once offered to Abhishek incidentally as was Aamir’s own part!). But beyond this I think the reason this works for Abhishek is that Aamir isn’t on home terrain with this genre the way say Hrithik was and many contemporary stars could be. So for him too this is something different because he’s actually never done this sort of thing before. Nonetheless if the D2 model is maintained where the villain has the cool stuff and of course the big actress it’s hard to equalize this on the other side unless you either have the star looking physically dominant (which is certainly possible) and/or more importantly if there is an authentic face-off. The last bit is really the crucial point here with respect to the overall film. Aamir has praised the script, the director also seems to be one of those with Bachchan on the mind (Bachchan Pandey in Tashan) so once again I am expecting something interesting here vis-a-vis Abhishek but also in terms of the film. At least my own standard is this — if this isn’t the best film of the franchise and if Abhishek-Aamir don’t have scenes that count here I’d consider the film a write-off irrespective of what else happened, who got the credit and how it did.
someone wrote abt HR and Aamir in one frame and HR dominating – unfortunately this might be true purely from physical aspect maybe – even Abhi has towering personality but can’t blame aamir for that! He has a real disadvantage of smaller height but still he hasn’t managed that not hinder his stupendous track-record
The height only matters relative to one’s overall physicality. Kawaljeet once upon a time was a very tall guy who didn’t get anywhere. Similarly while Aamir, Salman, SRK have all been on the shorter side among the three SRK has more of a screen presence even though the other two are better looking and in a textbook sense Aamir is probably the best of the three. So it all depends. Similarly the height issue became very relevant in the age of masala cinema when you had epic registers and therefore ‘epic’ heroes. In this context having a certain kind of physicality became much more important. Actually the fact that Salman does this masala stuff or even Aamir has done something like Ghajini would have been considered hilarious once upon a time. Trends change even in this sense. But greater or lesser height is not an absolute good or bad. Admittedly Aamir is shorter relative to the standards of any age but still this is not the end of the discussion as his career shows.
To add to Satyam sir’s point, and give an example. He did not do Darr only for that reason as he felt that the final showdown between him and sunny D’s character was not balanced enough and wanted some changes in the script where Sunny D (the good guy) would have an upper hand at it.
At the risk of Rajen running after me with maa-behen gaalis, I think, Abhi royally sucks in the Dhoom series. He is totally without any specific characteristics. Here was a master opportunity for him to develop a strong character but he does nothing–simply NOTHING. And it is not Marlon Brando nothing. When Marlon does ‘nothing’ he is going something but Abhi…arghhh…I wish someone molds him properly. Each time you mention that Abhi was offered RDB, I cringe. How dumb do you have to be to reject such a role!!! But again had he starred in it, the movie would have sucks.
Ab mujhey koi Rajen ki gaali kay shower say bachaooooooo.
Aamir has worked hard to achieve this body — don’t take credit away from him. He did it for Ghajini, he has done it for this film; in between he had to lose it all for 3 Idiots where he worked hard to create a youngster’s muscle-less body. He pumped iron and dieted for Ghajini; for 3 idiots he had to shed the muscles; but he played badminton to get a lean look without the muscle; for Dhoom 3, Aamir is said to have been under the guidance of his Dr. Dhurandhar, eaten small meals, achieved an ideal weight of 65-68 kg, with less than 10% body-fat. He plays a gymnast-circus artiste sort of character, so his small frame is probably ideal for the role– a 6′ muscled Hritik or John Abraham could not achieve the desired look.
Heh, heh! I did wonder whether you were being sarcastic.
Yes, long time. Was busy with family, trips, the usual trivia of daily life.
Aamir is taking a bit of risk with this film, treading alien territory, so to say. Hi net-critics are already sniggering about ‘hobbit in a hat’ and such stuff. I just hope his risk pays off. But Aamir’s risks are usually calculated ones — and he ensures that the film ultimately wins along with its team
Not sure if the ‘critics’ are sneering. These types simply follow the box office and Aamir is unimpeachable on these grounds. What does happen is that fans of other stars start attacking him for purely partisan reasons. I personally don’t think this shot works with him. Even though he’s worked on his body once again his overall body structure doesn’t reward this kind of shot (hrithik would be fine here or even a certain other kind of body, not necessarily a gym one, might be fine too). This doesn’t mean he won’t be very good at his role here. But yes it is a challenging part for him oddly enough because he’s never had the ‘lightness’ as a star-actor to pull off the flamboyant parts. With the exception of Fanaa where in the first half he did the flamboyant part very well. The trick on this sort of terrain is for the good actor to pull back a bit. This is hard to do. The superficial actor just does his (or her) thing and that’s enough. The deeper actor however has to get aligned with the pitch of the film without emptying out his greater acting resources. Because then the performance doesn’t work at all. But there is certainly a ‘newness’ here that Aamir almost uniquely brings to the franchise. Because everyone else has either been part of it before and/or has done similar things elsewhere. Aamir hasn’t. Which makes it interesting and ‘risky’ at the same time. Having said that this is a more academic argument in some ways. Because the reviewers are not likely to care nor those who judge purely by the box office. It does make a difference to the audience but this ‘reception’ almost never becomes a part of the narrative in India. In other words if the film works in a big way people assume the audience liked everything and so on.
I am seriously skeptical on how much acting chops both Aamir and AB will get to display in this one. I think the tone of the movie will be similar to Dhoom 2 where the antagonist is not out and out evil but more someone who is bad but with a golden heart or something of that kinds. He will sing songs, romance Katrina Kaif (we are forgetting her here) and will get a chance to display his skill in parkour. I think parkour will be the key focus here as that whole gymnast body was built for Aamir to do that convincingly or atleast part of it (am sure there will be a body double as you cannot become a Jackie Chan by training in 1 year) and Indian audiences are not exposed to those kind of acrobats. Uday Chopra will get to play the funny guy again and will have screen time too like the first two parts.
In all this even if there are confrontational scenes between AB and AK the tone will be light. Hand to Hand combat can be ruled out between the two as AK will not stand a chance (on screen due to their heights) in fight scenes against AB Jr as AB Jr is naturally better at that. I think they will retain the essence of Dhoom which is basically to keep the fun factor and not make a gritty kind of movie.
BTW Aamir also played a flamboyant character with gusto in Rangeela
Just saw this long discussion–been v busy ..will reply shortly
“Aamir has worked hard to achieve this body”—
Whose body has aamir achieved with so much hard work & what’s her name? 🙂
Just saw that the krish3 & dhoom3 diverted into an abhishrek vs the rest debate above…
C’mon folks—one can compare ‘like for like’—
Personal tastes are a different issue–have NOTHING against abhishrek infact feel for his ‘underperformance’.
One CAN compare HR, SRK, SK, Aamir on different parameters and its reasonable for fans to get carried away.
But the FACT is that as much as even I WANT abhishrek to be amongst the names above, he simply isn’t!!!
Aamir has different standards and I gauge him on THOSE STRINGENT criteria and mention the ‘hidden/overlooked points’ like his deliberate infrequent release rate etc.
But that doesn’t take away from Aamirs proven track record.
BUT
As for abhishrek–he is simply not in the top bunch.
To be honest abhishrek is a good actor but he’s not great shakes even in the acting deptt either imo
I don’t share the view that he is an acting thespian!
There’s this discourse being encouraged that HR is the body and abhishrek is some acting powerhouse!! Don’t agree.
Even in acting deptt, won’t say either of them is superior to the other though they are ‘different’ actors.
Abhishreks problems are that his areas of strength would have fit the person specification of a hero from two decades ago.
In the current climate, he just doesn’t have the all round ability—and we have seen enough of him to say this now
Also for star appeal, box office and even range & suitability to the current Bollywood requirements, abhi simply falls short
Well, this maybe uncomfortable to hear but it’s a fact
It’s proven by his track record and box office imo
Would add though, that now in the given circumstance abhi has done well to sign what an be technically called as ‘second lead’ roles (though Satyam may argue lol) insrk-farahs film or dhoom3 –but the fact is that in the given scenario, he needs to be seen in successful films, stay in circulation and then slowly branch out into lead roles and even production…
Infactots ironical that abhishrek shoudl follow the ‘John Abraham model’–I know this all may sound painful to his fan,but there’s nothing wrong in reality check –I wish him all the best
The PROBLEM starts when fans get so carried away by their fandom that it all becomes about BLACK OR WHITE…
One can be a fan and still be CRITICAL of certain aspects of your ‘idol’–the perspective and issue matters. 🙂
this time I will exert some discipline! Will just add this, strangely your rules go out the window when Ranbir gets great box office success, is heralded by everyone, or is celebrated as a huge acting talent and so on. Then suddenly you allow yourself room to call this reception exaggerated or whatever!
actually someone else picked up on this but I sometimes extend the debate for a more ‘general’ audience as well! We don’t want the wrong ideas to influence people!
lol. Abhi is good looking guy with great physique…he just needs a right director to mold him. Has he worked with SLB yet? He needs to let go and his acting genes will take over. I think he holds himself back a bit too much…he is kinda shy and should take some sky diving or something to loosen up in front of camera. For instance he is perfect in interviews. But then in movies he gets ‘constipated’ bit on his face. 😦
“For instance he is perfect in interviews. then in movies he gets ‘constipated’ bit on his face. “– agree Di
Abhishrek is quite good in some live events–also good humour bit infront of the camera –he has got entangled in a loop.
Also the other day, I saw a rap song of his–why the hell did he stop doing that !!– thought he does it well and could have expanded that capability
He should have gone for a bipronged vibe—an urbane one like saif does and think he was quite good in dostana…
And a total masala one with unabashed box office returns on mind (like srk does!)
The ‘prestige’ film hovers around u once u have the basics (& box office) in grasp ….
Plus for gods sake abhishrek —get a proper wardrobe and if his dress sense isn’t naturally good, get a good designer
And fire the worst ones he has been employing for ages-abu Sandeep
I don’t remember calling the reception to ranbir ‘exaggerated’.
I think more or less ranbir deserves what he is getting …..
Perhaps sanjana has been going after ranbir lol
“We don’t want the wrong ideas to influence people!”
—hahaha satyam–let’s continue ‘influencing’ innocent people ( in the garb of this ‘debate’!)
Basically at this late stage, it’s difficult but still abhishrek needs o change his advisors from Satyam to me lol.
He has done the right thing to do dhoom3—let people bark–he will get a big success to his name
And same for srk-farah film
Do NOT sign any other film –work on your physique and styling.
Heck even Farhan could achieve that in milkha!
Keep your diary free…
After dhoom3 , things should go only up (from where he is currently)& then sign some lead hero films
Concentrating on only one thing for the next year or two—
Box office!!!
Ps: for two or three yesrs–stay away from the word ‘prestige’ and from people like mani ratnam, gowarikar, even Mehra…
Don’t give these your dates diary
Give them only ‘respect’! 🙂
That’s not a bad idea–atleast it will satisfy Satyams fetishes(though may leave abhishrek with no films as lead!)
Poor abhishreks career shouldn’t have to pay the price for Satyams fetishes 🙂
But see Alex, As a fan I am happy with what he has done so far (barring some earlier ones). I honestly don’t think he is gonna go anywhere from here. He will keep getting movies and will do movies that he WANTS to do, He is not your Kumar Gaurav, Yeah past couple of years he had a low profile but honestly he is just doing this Dhoom, Dostana etc for the sake of BO for now. Given that he is doing multistarrers, Which is fine, and as far as I can tell , barring Dhoom (for obvious reasons) he has overshadowed everyone in multistarrrers. So when you say that he shouldn’t do them, I don’t buy that.
ab has proven him with films like guru, dmd, sarkar, yuva, sarkar raj, dostana, bnb, bluffmaster etc. right now, he needs big bo success, but any day I prefer him more in mani ratnam kind of cinema, actually I am eagerly awaiting such type of film from him.
agree… there is a kind of cinema that can be accepted as a compromise when an actor needs box office success.. as long as of course this eventually leads to more meaningful cinema once again. Otherwise the dustbins of cinematic history are full of actors (and fans!) who thought the present was everything! We don’t exactly care today about Stallone’s Cobra! Most of SRK’s iconic cinema seems completely passé. What survives over time is that which can have a shelf life. Or at least the great classic. The films that are often celebrated today are neither. Not every important or significant film acquires an audience. This is true in any art form. Some worthwhile works always remain relatively obscure with only minorities willing to seek them out. The iconic or the popular can never be confused with the worthwhile. But in any case only films that can be retrieved by later generations and are not simply those that become stale two weeks after release have a chance at real reinvention. Which is not to say that I have anything against a film that is hugely enjoyable but that will not really stand the test of time. I am a massive consumer of ‘guilty pleasures’. However the problem with a lot of contemporary Bollywood is that it isn’t particularly enjoyable either. And then you have this crazy dominant discourse on the other side which pretends it’s only about 100 crores or 200 crores or whatever. In fairness this discourse does not really represent audience tastes. Because while people might show up for certain kinds of films and while I too have criticized the current audience more than anyone else what gets missed in the media narratives is that people show up for films for all kinds of reasons. And just because a film makes huge amounts of money doesn’t mean that the audience also has the greatest respect for those films and actors. I might show up dozens of Hollywood blockbusters without considering any of them very good or having any great admiration for the actors associated with them. Specially in an age where the industry is becoming increasingly Hollywoodized the package becomes that much more important. Getting back to Abhishek it’s easy to see a path where he appears in some big grossing films, the media narrative might remain negative but he gets his due attention from the audience, there might even be more moments like BB where he’s seen as being the more dominant actor in the film, then he has a film like Mere Apne or whatever which is somewhat more meaningful but still relatively safe and by this point he’s brought back his box office credibility and gets a big initial or whatever, so on and so forth. If this is the limit of what he’s doing then no matter what his skill set might be he’s in a way reducing himself to the level of most of his peers. However if he uses this as a springboard to move onto to truly interesting things again (albeit doing a better mix even at that point in terms of balancing out the Dostana kind of venture with a Ratnam or whatever) all of this will be an acceptable compromise. Speaking for myself and I suspect many true Abhishek fans I’ve never been in the game of just wishing success for him at whatever cost. Because if he were to follow some of those other career paths we’d lose the actor we like and respect in some of the films you’ve mentioned. And since I’ve always been devoted to the actor inasmuch as he’s represented a certain kind of performance or choice of roles and not simply one who’s successful or not in purely commercial terms I can only celebrate choices that read Ratnam or Mehra or Sippy and some others and potentially interesting projects even if with lesser directors. And this is what people miss in a lot of these ‘debates’. Most fans are really about their star getting successful doing ‘whatever’. That’s never constituted my interest in Abhishek, it’s never even constituted my interest in his father! As for those who present counter-arguments they reveal nothing more than either their own dismal lack of taste or their completely ignorance of history in these matters. Now it might be that some of these commercial films Abhishek is doing turn out to be better than expected for the terrain. I certainly expect this from D3. Thought BB was more than decent given the director (though with that suggestive setup a lot more could have been achieved). And so on. But even in the best case scenarios these are works that I’d go crazy over. Similarly I’d still make other choices for the purely commercial if I were in Abhishek’s shoes. I’d look South in a variety of ways. I think even for the purely commercial better choices can be made. But that’s a different debate. Part of the issue here is that a certain tension perhaps remains unresolved in Abhishek’s mind. he’s clearly not ‘with’ the contemporary multiplex program, ethically or aesthetically. but he also doesn’t seem as invested in masala as it exists today in its Telugu configuration. What he is unwilling to do (for whatever reason) is look at more meaningful Tamil variants whether in masala cinema or in their new wave attempts. And this is a great loss because he is ideally suited for those films. In fact this spectrum offers him everything from escapist cinema to even vastly better attempts at the kind of cinema that Umesh Shukla is probably capable of. So it’s unclear why he continues to be boxed into the Bollywood menu. But in any case there is this deeper tension. So neither with the multiplexes nor with the ‘new’ masala. To avoid both alternatives (and I can certainly sympathize with this position, even agree with it) one needs to have the Aamir kind of vision where you really go wherever you think that worthwhile cinema is and more importantly enable it one way or the other. But that’s a bigger project and requires a complete and ‘foundational’ rethinking in a variety of ways. Otherwise whether it’s D3 or Mehra, one is restricted to Bollywood options and the greater problem here if one is Abhishek might not be one option or the other but the frame itself. He really needs a Lagaan-like leap where he really invests himself in a truly different sort of project (not ‘like’ Lagaan but whatever it is that serves his ends) and then builds a very different trajectory from there. Ironically it is precisely because he’s a fine talent who can relatively effortlessly range across the board and be convincing in a Guru or a BM or a Dostana or a BB with equal ease that he always gets his options the moment he makes himself available for a certain kind of cinema (always assuming an essential box office viability). His problem has remained an uncertain box office. Otherwise the industry has always been willing to cast him in a vast variety of things. there are important Southern talents who’d love to work with him in the right film. He still has a lot to play with which is why some of these too obvious choices disappoint me. I understand the compromise but I don’t understand why better things can’t be attempted to achieve the same ends. Alright a D3 is a no-brainer perhaps. But a Farah Khan film, even if he has a double here as is rumored or even if he gets the better of SRK, isn’t necessarily so (and I’m not referring to a negative media narrative here). Similarly there is a risky which has a certain appeal even when it doesn’t work in box office terms and there is one that harms the star in a precise sense when it fails. One can separate one from the other. Ultimately these are things the star can only work out for himself. So there is a debate to be had about his choices one way or the other. Of course this is very different from the crass suggestions that are often made online about what he ought to do or not. Because the people making them wouldn’t be able to separate bubble gum from a fine Indian desert or on the other hand would praise bubble gum more for greater sales across the board! Such opinions can safely be dismissed, one should in fact only read them if one can withstand the assault to one’s better taste!
Again, Nice analysis overall. However, I am a bit confused over at first you suggest that you prefer him doing meaningful cinema with Ratnam, Mehra etc, then you suggest that he is suited for the masala cinema from the south and he should invest his energy in few of those. And then you go on to say that you are least interested in his success at any cost, But you suggest to go look towards south cinema masala format? Isn’t that going the route of low brow masala format? I am a bit confused?
Having said that, As a fan I do want him to succeed not at any cost but when any Tom, Dick and Harry is piling on crores over some pathetic cinema, why shouldn’t jr do the same? Agreed he shouldn’t do it at any cost, upto D3 and D2 are fine, But i dont think he should go the Akshay Kumar way (in the likes of Khiladi 786 and now Boss)??
My point is a)he should continue the meaningful stuff as and when he gets the opportunity but balance it out with safer stuff in a more strategic way b)if he is doing box office just for the numbers one or two obvious films like Dhoom might be ok but he could rely on a more meaningful masala from the South (specifically Tamil cinema) or a middle cinema from the same that would give him a particular signature but also be much more suited for his physicality and so forth. In other words the choice isn’t Salman’s Telugu masala or nothing. There are other avenues. Which doesn’t mean he can’t do Bombay based escapist cinema at all. Just that those films will never play to his strengths in the same way.
Cool, Thanks for the Clarity, and Happy Belated to you.
Now where does the remake bandwagon come into picture for Jr? (Hindi ones). Don’t you think he should at least take one of them up? (speaking of bachcan’s remakes). There were rumors about Abhimaan, Do aur Do Paanch and even MKS (with saif) remake with him being in the lead ? If others are piggy backing on Bachchan’s remakes, why shouldn’t he do it too? He is always compared to his father from the day he started, It will be nothing new (even though his style is completely different from his fathers and choices). An apple will always be compared to an apple, even if it falls from another tree.
I personally wouldn’t want him to touch a single Bachchan remake for the simple reason that on the very important films there’s nothing anyone can possibly ‘add’ in any sense. Sure there can always be intelligent films that rework the terrain without literally remaking stuff. But Ratnam has already done some of this. Or Rohan Sippy has in his own way. Either way there aren’t enough people in Bombay intelligent enough or thoughtful enough to do this. If on the other hand you remake the lesser films that’s alright in one sense but still pointless because for a script of that level you don’t need to ‘remake’. You can do original scripts! So then it becomes about just using the cache of the original to get an initial. I can personally never endorse that sort of move. By the way (and though this kind of film wouldn’t work today) I would love a Ganga Ki Saugandh kind of film married to Maoist politics! Would be truly subversive. But no one would see it!
Fair enough on Bachchan’s remake. However, there are other films that he can remake as well. Such as, Saagar (ofcourse the Haasan role here). I really think Sippy should consider this one. It would certainly work for today’s time. Also, always felt Khudgarz is one movie where Roshan and Jr can be pitted against each other and instead of him playing a character from UP he should do a southern act (unlike sinha – Originally it was Kamal Haasan to play Sinha’s role with his Tamil Background against Rishi Kapoor). And I know I will get some gaalis for this but I definitely think AAA can be remade with all the respective Kins of the main characters. Just too tough to get a Pran or Jeevan from today.
“As a fan I am happy with what he has done so far “—as a fan, one is entitled to be happy with the idol even ‘existing’ lol but
Abhishreks life and career will need many more dedicated fans like u and Satyam…
And for that he needs much more box office & success
Haha, But let’s get one thing straight here, I certainly don’t idolize any of these actors or stars.(maybe Bachchan Sr to a certain extent, I get to learn a thing or two from his experiences that he posts on his blog and I do agree with his views most of the times) There are certainly many other personalities outside of this domain to look up to, Having said that I do like Jr for the actor that he is and the admire him for the choices that he has made as an actor and not have the herd mentality and build his torso and call it “Prepared for the role” crap. Imagine, Hanks suggesting that “oh I had to play football for Forrest Gump, So I had to look fit” lol.
2.5 months still – that is a long way……in any case even without this teaser and motion poster – D3 tempo wud be at peak so I hope they don’t dish out such stupid promos…..
Call it the ‘aamir effect’ : Aamirs already ‘taller’ than katrina (& even abhishrek!!) in the poster 🙂
Btw the ‘trying to be menacing /kool’ look on Aamirs face is interesting lol
I think D3’s major USP should be the tight script. Till they come out some meaningful promos towards Nov end – we will have to bear this cliche’ stuff i guess. Anyway Abhi’s no-nonsense look in goggles is cool here.
but aamir can throw a big surprise a la Ghajini – before that movie no one thought he could pull off that kind of roll so here a gymnast-villain – well – the curiosity factor is very high.
I have the feeling no matter how you dress up a horse it will always be a horse..only this one is a different color. Uday was never my idea of an actor. Although he spent alot of time in California for whatever reasons to see him back on the screen is like an alm. As for the rest of the equation I hope this one has a decent opening so it doesnt embarass anyone. Amir and Katrina do not make a movie..it may be Dhoomed. The action scenes..the ‘tight script’ have to will prop it up.
Thought the motion poster was terrible. The regular poster is better though that’s not saying much. Will wait for the first proper trailer to pass judgment on it because the first such D2 trailer was very effective. With Aamir on board I was hoping for something a bit better for the genre but at least on the advertising so far they’ve gone for the most stale approach. The posturing on the poster and so on. Even within this genre it’s hard to say that one couldn’t do something more imaginative. And if you’re taking Aamir and presenting him exactly as you would John or Hrithik there’s something absurd about this too. Not saying all of this matters at the box office but more imagination could certainly have helped! If they’re using the poorest advertising to suddenly spring the best film of the franchise on us they’re even sillier than I thought! Nonetheless will wait for the longer trailer. On Abhishek he looks fine here but he was fine on the D2 images as well (or for that matter the trailer). The way these things are done they have very little to do with the actual footage. And so far we don’t have images from the latter. In any case I’m less interested in this question and more in whether Abhishek and Aamir get some good screen time together and make at least a few scenes work for this kind of thing.
I didn’t expect much from this beyond, as you’ve suggested, a halfway decent script as a result of Aamir’s involvement, but these first glimpses have been pretty discouraging even by that standard.
precisely Satyam. What on earth YRF guys are doing? Are they involving aamir here? Or have they taken things for granted? by all means – this looks like a C grade stuff. Better not to come out with anything till the movie releases.
They don’t need to do anything at all for this movie, it will become blockbuster anyway. I’m actaually surprised YRF is doing all this where they came with mothion poster, then teaser and now 2nd motion posted. Usually for big films, they don’t do much publicity.
The ‘special effects’ on the motion poster are hilariously poor; what on earth were those awkwardly flickering flames for?! I cannot believe that YRF released such an ameteurish poster for one of their biggest films; is the perfectionist involved in the marketing or not?!
LOL! plus there are those underwhelming bike sequences. The slowmo is sometimes so slow you could get a cup of coffee and come back without missing anything.
beyond this the posters are also almost identical from the previous parts. Ash and Katrina seem completely replaceable in terms of their styling and so on. I know this is a franchise but they’re not even putting in some minimal effort here. Think it would be a horrible mistake to simply upgrade the villain but make it business-as-usual otherwise.
Compared to these two big films the Bullet Raja trailer seemed even more fresh and engaging.
Given the audience we might be the bigger fools for objecting! What’s odd about this though is that if you operate with the assumption (as I certainly do) that everyone with a pulse will show up for D3 well you don’t then need this amateur hour (as you’ve put it)! On the other hand if the advertising nonetheless matters why not start with some real stuff?! Just doesn’t make any sense either way. It’s one thing to have subpar posters and quite another to have poor motion posters/teasers. And here Bollywood departs from Hollywood even in this regard. When a movie like the Avengers is produced they too know that everyone will show up. But they still do everything professionally to get the most enticing teasers out and what not. So if you are excited about the film you get more excited (!). if you are even slightly on the fence the build-up reels you in. On the other hand the message with this early stuff on D3 or the Krrish song trailers seems to be ‘yeah we know it’s cheap and terrible and/or the songs are miserable but are you really going to miss the film for those reasons?’! The answer seems to be in the negative and so they race ahead with these dubious decisions. Forget comparing this stuff to Hollywood (one wonders if Rakesh Roshan is sometimes referring to some other Hollywood industry in a galaxy far far away.. but wait.. he literally thinks he’s offering LOTR competition on the SFX!), it would be embarrassing to put this up against some of the best East Asian sci-fi/action/fantasy and what have you. But again the audience simply doesn’t seem to care. The true big budget blockbuster should not end up looking worse than much else that’s on offer! D3 or Krrish3 don’t so far have the best campaigns even by Bollywood standards. K3 had a good first trailer and everything since has been terrible. D3 hasn’t even gotten off the ground yet in this regard.
The perfectionist has never been tested on this terrain, he has never done a Hollywood action kind of deal before, and I am not sure how invested or knowledgeable he is in making these kind of things look good.
Aamir’s plans are awaiting Aditya Chopra’s approval
Buzz is that even Aamir Khan cannot go ahead with his plans for his next ‘Dhoom 3’ without the producer signing off on them
Aamir Khan apparently wants to repeat the formula that he implemented in the run up to his film ‘Delhi Belly’ that starred his nephew Imran, for his upcoming release, ‘Dhoom 3’. Buzz is that the star wants to hold focus group screenings for the film, to take in suggestions made by select audiences and later incorporate it into the final cut.
However, insiders say that the film’s producer Aditya Chopra may not give in to his request.
Says a source close to the actor, “Aamir is known for his penchant for perfection. He took a lot of time before releasing ‘Delhi Belly’. He had done the same with Imran’s film and hopes to do the same with ‘Dhoom 3’.”
An insider from the production house says, “He has already forwarded his request to Adi but he is not sure the producer will agree.”
Express delivery
The shroud of secrecy around his next film, ‘Dhoom 3’, has been so thick that Aditya Chopra is leaving no stone unturned in fiercely guarding the details of the Aamir Khan starrer.. Aamir has been shooting for Rajkumar Hirani’s film in Delhi and Adi apparently has decided to send his messenger bearing the first draft of the film’s trailer for the star’s eyes only. The reason allegedly to send someone personally carrying his package is to prevent the details from being hijacked. Says a source, “Aamir is involved in taking the marketing decisions around the film’s promotions. Someone from Adi’s studio will personally escort the package to the actor.”
Abhi looks good in this poster. Hope they remain true to the character, jai did stuff in D2 (including dress a certain way) that wasn’t very consistent with what had been established in the first film…
Abhishek needs to frown a lot less, for the more naturally cool hep look if that is was this is about. This posturing is kind of deliberate. Abhishek has a very limited range, so when he goes off track, it becomes a ‘trying too hard’ sort of a thing. It shows.
Technically in Photoshop terma these all are HDR images. In previous poster Aamir’s image was enhanced at the cost of others mainly Kat’s. They got all proportions wrong and she looks unshapely and unattractive.
Poor Abhi is going to pay price for his tallness to compensate Aamir’s lack of it!
I think people are making a serious mistake of underestimating Aamir here. The guy is so astute that there is no way D3 will go wrong. His motto is – Horses for courses. So, something like Talaash, he wasnt willing to compromise though he very likely knew its BO implications and keot the film true to his vision. Ofcourse,he might have had a fond hope for it to do better than it did but am sure he was prepared for it to fare even worse than it did. For something like D3, am sure he knows this is all about forgettable entertainment and BO and it will shape up accordingly. Ofcourse, there is potential for it to be better than first two installments due to Aamir’s involvement. So, am not all concerned here. This is not going to be ground breaking stuff but will be more than viable commercially.
Even i like abhi’s look here. He seems to be in the best shape of his career ( if these images arnt photoshopped ). And i have always felt that abhi can carry the intense look very well.
Hey, so, in the midst of the Dhoom and Krrish hype, I hope people don’t miss this. Honestly, I like this trailer! One of the few Sunny Deol movies that I’m looking forward to!
Kya baat kar rahe ho bhai. This is the saving grace after all those mugshots. Though I don’t quite like their obsession with photoshopped flames shooting out from angles.
After the ‘shrek’, the ‘sidekick’ and the ‘stunted’–finally some juice lol
Good katrina pic there!!
Katrina is quite ‘Fit’ and is physically fighting fit
The key word is ‘tone’ 🙂
As for the box office, don’t think aamir would have left any stone unturned!! Now this is a tailor made half volley waiting to be hit for six!! Anything less than the biggest grosser ever will be underperformance for aamir here—doubt v much if this one goes working though.
Lol @ the ‘clown’ thief
What the heck!!
That self explanatory title wasn’t needed
Now currently hritik is giving aamir sleepless nites
Not only aamir will have to contend with comparisons of dhoom3 box office with krish3
In the ‘coolness’ stakes, he is fightinga losing battle
With hritk of dhoom2– the only way aamir can salvage himself is by an orgasmic box office performance –& that’s what he is/will be banking upon
All the best to hritk and aamir —may the best guy win this one 🙂
Amitabh Bachchan @SrBachchan 3m
T 1204 -And … Adi Chopra calls me to his preview theatre to view the first trailer of ‘DHOOM 3’ .. astounding !! Such finesse !!
Abhishek is looking good here. I have a hunch that he is going to have a better deal than in Dhoom 2 and that he is going to benefit from the franchise this time around.
Apex- As for Katrina, she can certainly kick the ass of the likes of Imran, Shahid and Tushar and it will look entirely believable. I won’t put Abhishek or Aamir’s names in here because whilst these guys aren’t the ultimate action heroes, they’ve proved that they can kick ass as well.
But you can also add Ranbir and the Saif Ali Khan at his debut when he looked like Sharmila Tagore wearing a man’s wig! Katrina can kick the crap out them and it won’t look too unbelievable.
Good news for Satyam–Incidentally, abhishrek is looking good here in these pics & (more than) dwarfing aamir in that pic where the two are facing each other
Must say, if abhishrek is given half a decent role here, he will prove more than a handful for aamir
Lol @ the top pic of aamir in the helmet
that is possibly true but the first theatrical trailer was incredibly lopsided.. with D2 the comparable trailer had parity. But yeah he does seem to be in on the action a lot more here, in a qualitative sense. There also seem to be a couple of face-offs. All depends on how everything’s managed in the film.
The only thing we have available to guess how Vijay Acharya will manage the characters is Tashan and I thought he did a good job in balancing Akshay and Saif’s characters in terms of screen time. Akshay was at his peak at that time but still the screen times were good. There’s a similar situation here in terms of the 1 superstar (Aamir, Akshay) vs 1 star face off (Saif, Abhishek).
yes I’ve read about this elsewhere too. I’d say it makes no difference to the film’s initial. They’ve already done the promotional video with katrina and capitalized on the theme song.
It’s not going to make a difference for sure. Music hardly matters as Krrish 3 showed.
The buzz is here in UK. It’s the only film people are talking about watching (though must say Ram Leela was very popular from my anecdotal observation, much more than any film since CE). There is a lot of expectation and without a real promotion strategy ala Ghajini or OSO.
Not releasing the soundtrack only really works if the soundtrack is good! If it’s bad, it shouldn’t affect the film unless the film is poorly received.
Definitely an effort to not leak anything, but it’s hardly the “kind” of film or genre where much can be kept secret! We know there is a cop and a villain! And the cop usually wins! Talaash would have made more sense, as it was a suspense thriller with an important twist.
How much curiosity can there be in a film like Dhoom or Race? It’s all been there done that.
“Instead they will be releasing song teasers of 30 seconds for the audiences to get a glimpse and feel of the songs and content. ”
I think the soundtrack will release, but the videos will not.
I know people were anxiously waiting to see if either Krrish or Dhoom would continue. Marketing strategy aside one wonders just whose movie is this anyways? Dhoom has ramped up the glitzy quotient but still how much action-chase scenes can there be without looking like a blur in motion. Maybe the next one will be titled ‘Hrithik Returns’ 😛
That’s better maggie–now let that nice strand of your hair rest where it wants -on your forehead or between the lips–be gentle on it-I lemme sort it out soon 🙂
They’ve certainly done a grand video for this song. it’s way better than the equivalent number in D2 and probably the best such I’ve seen in this franchise. Even the song though the tune has been beaten to death a few times is better for this terrain than the usual stuff.
the Dhoom machale one is a promotional video. Won’t appear this way in the film. This current song is not an item one though’ It’s a love track more or less with the pair. And Aamir has a circus background here. Hence the rest.
This Malang song is a circus song featuring plenty of gymnasts. Aamir has worked hard to achieve the body of a circus gymnast. He apparently aimed at a body weight with fat less than 10%. He and Katrina have worked hard for their fitness with regard to the cicus scenes. Aamir is also said to have taken ballet cum tap dancing lessons for a month in australia. I hope that all this hard work pays off and the song is worth the effort and expense. Katrina has spoken about one risky circus shot that she and aamir did without safety net. Foolish though brave. Anyway best of luck to team Dhoom 3 — and may the carping cynics get to shut up finally.
Not a bad thing at all…the song is pretty lavishly shot. But can never understand spending so much on a song.
All kinds of excuses being made…but lets face it this is the biggest film of the year by a margin. Ticket price hike or no hike its set to break all records…
The first one was 130 minutes and the second one was 150 minutes even though D1 had the better story and script. The Dhoom series are all about being slick; I’m guessing the emotional stuff in D3 made its length this long.
yes the masala past and probably better characterization adds to the length here. I’m once again hopeful that we might get the most substantial film of the series here..
And the length also makes me hopeful that we have a more even battle between Abhishek and Aamir. Also I’m very excited to see how the movie ends especially with this newly added masala element. Since we’re dealing with one of the 3 Khan’s here, will they kill him at the end (and risk angering/disappointing the audience) or do a D2 like ending? Let’s wait and watch!
It might be an ending like the original Dhoom. One of the shots somewhere seemed to suggest this. But it could also be a Batman-like deal where he re-emerges somewhere at the end. The d2 ending was a bit false though. The idea that the cop suddenly goes soft and lets the lovers escape was odd. The first film was better even in this respect.
This may end like D1 but Aamir has no love interest in Katrina here. So it cant end like D3. She just accidentally works in circus with Aamir. Here we will see a group of people working as Dhoom team. Look at the star cast on imdb which may throw some light on it. I think Tabrett Bethell is love interest of Aamir.
Btw, Bipasha basu and Diana Penty are also present in the film.
@Satyam are you referring to the scene where aamir rides the motorcycle of the bridge? If so I agree. D2’s ending was false, but I’m also thinking of the last time a Big actor died at the end of the movie and all I can come up with is Agneepath. I’m leaning towards thinking Aamir won’t die at the end at this moment but I’ll be satisfied with either ending.
And Aamir’s love interest is definitely Katrina; you can see snippets of the romantic song in the trailer and also they were filming a wedding type romantic song at Millennium Park last summer. And I don’t think Bipasha Basu or Diana Penty are in Dhoom 3. Maybe a 1-2 minute cameo but nothing more significant than that.
Btw both Malang and whatever little snipppets I’ve heard of the “Tu Hi Junoon” song both have a more sad/dramatic sound to them as opposed to the other Dhooms. I think it’ll work well with the overall feel of the film.
Do you think Lead character will marry in Kjo movie style in DHOOM franchise? All those romantic portions and wedding scenes are just part of Magician acts which involves Katrina as his partner but she has nothing to do with robbery. Love angle is not prominent this time. This time it is more realistic and intricate stuff, at least that i what has been attempted here. And thats the only reason why i am interested in this movie.
Aamir is sensible enough not to make mismatch pair with katrina.
Like I said before, it’s all speculation at this point.
But to your “Aamir is sensible enough not to make mismatch pair with katrina.”
Someone on this forum said that the audience believes anything the 3 Khan’s do. It’s not about Aamir being sensible or not (which he definitely is). If the audience didn’t have a problem with SRK-Katrina or SRK-Anushka (in Rab Ne) or any other actress the Khans have been paired with, they won’t have a problem with Aamir-Katrina. I for one when I heard Katrina was in this movie just assumed that Aamir-Katrina would have their romantic angle and did not care about the mismatch. And I’m not even an Aamir fan!
I’m liking the Malang song and Video a lot. Aamir looks awesome when he’s doing the gymnastics stuff on the hoop but he looks awkward when he’s actually dancing although you can tell he worked his ass off for the song. Katrina looks great throughout. This song is the Dil Laga of D2 and Salaame of D1. Much better than both in terms of visual and song but I still like Dil Laga better because it incorporated all of the actors.
Yeh jo records pe records break karne ki prakriya hai yeh filmwalo ka bas ek dhong hai. Zaahir si baat hai ki pichle dino jo article publish hua tha ek akhbar mei us article se saaf jhalakta hai ki na to krrish ne aur na Chennai express ne koo aise record banaye jo pehle na banaye gaye ho. Box office ka koi bharosa nahi. Krrish k release ke baad yeh baat to tay hai ki zaroori nahi ki teen bade khano ya hritik ki har film pichli badi film ka record tode. Ranbir ki beharam uske theek yeh jawani hai deewni ke baad aayi jo is saal ki sabse zyada kamane wali filmo mei se ek thi. Lekin besharam mushkil se 50 crore kama saki. Dhoom 3 ek umda film bilkul ho sakti hai lekin kya woh sabse zyada kamane wali film hogi yeh koi yakeen ke sath nahi keh sakta.
tm – valid point – i guess aamir understand the nuances of film-making as well as the right marketing – there is a conscious effort to project the “add-ons” in D3 – story / characterisation / songs – he definitely knows the pulse of Indian audience and here is a film entire families will flock during those 15 days (20 dec to Jan 5) and later on also………it is safer to bet on this one as the highest grossing (and netting also) film in BW.
The music is decent, but kinda done-to-death. Also, the sufi tune shot on a circus background is a bit outta-whack. Somehow it did not gel for me. Lets see what the rest of the song-teasers reveal.
In the Malang teaser, it says Full Tracks available on iTunes, Nokia, YRF on December 20th I think. It seems like a new but useless idea. I do not think this will help or hurt the movie.
Ridiculousness is stretched to the highest degree with fanboy lust. There was no empathy when Abhishek’s role was reduced to an extra in D2 at the cost of providing stardom ‘lift’ to HR. At that point, the narrative was that HR is THE better/best star and actor and that he stood ‘taller’ than every actor and hence Abhishek being down in the movie was merely because of HR’s ‘ability’ – not because of the fact that script was ridiculously one-sided. And nobody had any problem with this wonderful ‘theory.’
Now, with Aamir, suddenly, Abhishek is the ‘hero’ and an important part of Dhoom series!!! How dare Aamir and Aditya forget this!!
Satyam u think someone like Aamir would try to sideline abhishek ? This is the usual media nonsense . This is not the first story on the film and none of them had anything to do with the reality .
I seriously feel that our Indian media is unscrupulous and mischievous, creating discord where none exists, creating fan wars in peaceful situations. The film media is especially bad, while tv chaps like Arnab Goswami and ilk are a spl breed of wierdos. Stardust (Magna media which gave the story mentioned above) — it has little credibility. They are adept at making mountains of molehills. Aamir and Abhishek came together on stage during first promo. Second and third featured Aamir and Katrina since the portions dealt with them.
Aamir and Abhishek have a very good personal relationship. But here’s what the deal is. Aditya Chopra has in my view made the theatrical trailer and a lot of the advertising much more one-sided than the film is likely to be. And my point here isn’t that he should be ‘kind’ to Abhishek but that this is simply a crude decision on his part. No one says ‘I won’t show up for D3 unless it’s Aamir for 90% of the trailer’! Plus I’ve long believed that this film no matter how big at the box office can be bigger if it really centers around the face-off and creates an emotional arc in this sense. The first film was balanced in this regard. With the second the problem was that when you given the villain the girl, the cool stunts, the best songs, the get ups and so forth there’s very little left for the cop to do except show up mechanically after every heist. Again in the first one Abhishek had some moments with his wife, the comedy with Ali was a bit more spontaneous etc. I still believe this installment will be a lot lot better for Abhishek compared to the second one. He seems to have some good action sequences, looks good in the stills, has a physical advantage over Aamir. Nonetheless with all of this you still need enough characterization and certainly enough of a face-off. Because now the villain even has the masala backstory! It’s not just a question of footage but the kind of footage the actor has. Abhishek had enough footage in D2, that wasn’t the real issue. But either way the theatrical trailer was ridiculously one-sided and though it was extremely effective I think it would have been better with the face-off highlighted (assuming the film has this).
Of course there have been anti-Aamir stories in the media about how he’s deliberately sidelining Abhishek etc. We never hear this with other stars vis-a-vis Abhishek. But what feeds the narrative is some of the advertising we see. On these events they were probably always planned this way. The more important point is: if they were going to have Abhishek even for a song release that didn’t feature him they would have had more of him in the trailer in the first place! Could or should Aamir have ensured that the trailer was more balanced in this sense? One can argue about this but at the end of the day this is an industry not a charity! I still hold the producer responsible because Aamir would have been fine with a more balanced trailer as well. But in any case it’s amusing to see these ‘sympathetic’ stories all of a sudden about how Abhishek ‘the hero of the franchise’ is being ignored and what not when the same folks are quite happy to go after him in every other sense.
But once again do think, specially given the length and some of the stills I’ve seen, that there’s still a good chance Abhishek gets a lot out of this one. But it would have to be something really worthwhile to balance out the impression the advertising has created. In the industry when you’re down in any sense you get to see and face a lot of such stuff. But even by those standards Aditya Chopra has gone much further than he needed to. My point again is that it makes bad business sense. Then again this is an industry where D2 made 85 crores which was phenomenal but no one paused to consider whether the film might have made 100 then (as I certainly believe).
Ironically Abhishek looks to be getting a BB-like deal in HNY.
“Aditya Chopra has in my view made the theatrical trailer and a lot of the advertising much more one-sided than the film is likely to be” – that is not true satyam – everyone is given due importance and aamir deserves what he is getting!
Manmohan Desai didn’t have trailers where he just had Amitabh Bachchan! There’s a very simple logic here. You don’t take stars if you’re not going to justify them at every step. Rishi Kapoor had a perfectly fine role in AAA. Even the smallest villains in a Desai film made an impression. Now I’m willing to concede that Abhishek has a good outing here but that should be reflected in the trailer. It’s not a question of ‘deserving’ anything here! Aamir already has the central part in the advertising, it doesn’t have to be 90%!
I think here it’s important to remember Devgn’s magnanimity towards Abhishek in case of BB. NO ONE apart from Devgn would have allowed the film to be released with that title especially considering that Abhishek was at his lowest B.O. phase (not that Abhishek’s position is much better even now. He still needs a solid solo hit. Irrespective of what part he has in HNY and D3, it’s a solo hit which will change the narrative for him. Hopefully the Shukla might turn out to be that) and Devgn himself was riding on a streak of solid superhits. He literally allowed Abhishek to walk away with the film- he not only served him a hit on a platter but also gave him very clearly an author-backed part (which played to Abhishek’s strength. His performance of course was the only good thing about that film).
agreed largely.. I’d just add this.. Abhishek might get a BB kind of deal in HNY. without the title of course! Leaving this aside Devgan is very close to the family. I mean really close. No doubt he was magnanimous here but he (along with his father) also owe Bachchan Sr in certain ways. Not saying he did it for that reason, it’s safe to say the families are close enough for this not to be that sort of transactional deal, but there is history here. Additionally Rohit Shetty started his career with Devgan/Abhishek and wanted to bring them together again. Devgan himself said that they thought of having him before but could never find the right part for him. I’d finally say this — it is absolutely true that personal relationships do matter in this business as in any other (Abhishek has a great relationship with SRK as well.. and here I’ve always got the sense that SRK genuinely likes him) it is also the case that these can never completely override good business decisions (forget everything else.. Devgan invested in BB and SRK of course is doing the same with HNY.. you don’t do this just to be generous because these decisions cost too much). In other words you don’t give Abhishek a double in BB or HNY if you think he matters only as much as twenty other stars. Because a star down on his luck and even one who’s hit rock bottom is very different from one who is never at that threshold level of stardom and cannot be even with success. when you have Devgan or now SRK in a film there is an obvious safety net not to mention the other frills in these films. But the star doing a very central part still has to be credible. It can’t just be about performance, it has to be an actor with enough of a star ‘charge’ if you will. Otherwise the film cannot even be marketed a certain way. All this doesn’t mean I disagree with most of what you’re saying. I completely agree that a solo is necessary (if anything I think it’s a bit problematic to get hits with other stars in completely crowd-pleasing genres where films start off with a bang and then go in for more of a family subject solo where these films even when they trend very well and gross very well are unlikely to start off in the same way) but there is a great misperception about multistarrers in more ways than one.
It’s hilarious to see aamir fans behaving in a way that will put even srk fans (!) to shame 🙂
C’mon folks… Take it easy…
These news reports are there in lots of outlets not only magnamags…
Another one…
“specially given the length and some of the stills I’ve seen, that there’s still a good chance Abhishek gets a lot out of this one.”–
I also hope so Satyam –but seems there is no smoke without fire…
Note the sequence wherein aamir and abhishrek are darting towards each other on a bike with a ‘rod’…
Abhishrek seems menacing that is the requirement here and ‘devours’ aamir
Now I have nothing against aamir and when he will do anything good in D3, I will be the first to point it out folks –don’t worry
But is it our or the bachchan fans fault that media outlets are reporting this
And is it our fault that forget Hritik, even Abhishrek is proving too much to handle for aamir in this genre ?? 🙂
It is all about marketing. Whether to market it as aamir’s film or a multistarrer. RDB and 3Idiots were multistarrers in the true sense and yet the films are known as aamir’s, not madhavan’s, not Siddharth’s, not Sharman Joshi’s. Even directors like Hirani overshadowed in his films.
D3 is also marketed in the same way. Even if aamir has a 50 percent part or even a 30 percent part, producers like to present them as aamir’s film. In case, it is ajay devgn or akshay kumar in place of abhishek, maybe things might have been different.
Physicality does not matter. As villains in normal masala films look much more stronger, much better and more effective, yet the hero walks away with all the honours. Here funnily, the villain looks like the hero. In Sholay amjad Khan towered over everyone. The ultimate villain.
I find it quite saddening, the amount of dismissal and negativity being spilt against Aamir Khan in Dhoom 3. First supposed Hritik fans have gone on and on about how Aamir was not fit ti take his place in the new Dhoom instalment; and now this drama about supposed snub of Abhishek. Seems fake news to me;I just read this news bit about Aamir’s son’s second birthday party yesterday. Aishwarya and daughter were there . If Abhishek had been snubbed by Aamir during promotion of Dhoom 3,, would Aishwarya have bothered to grace an Aamir party?
In any case Aamir seems to lose either way…he is considered unfit for this role — too short, old, uncool; a ‘how dare he barge into this youthful party’ premise. If the film is a hit, his detractors will be there all over the net, saying it’s the others who did the job and the film worked despite his presence. If it’s a flop or a semi-hit — Aamir takes the blame.
I honestly wish he had not taken this role, but done the sort of films for which he won his original fan following — Ghulam, Sarfarosh, 1947Earth and other such solid down to earth films of substance and value. Instead he takes on this glitzy dhoom 3 thing as a sort of challenge perhaps — a negative role of a circus gymnast with a dark story, burning resentment, the lot; interesting possibilities there actually and he even fits in physically. You don’t need to be tall and well built to do such a role. To play a gymnast your body needs to be small, light and flexible; you can be short and still carry off the role. Aamir could even play a jockey. He has continuously worked on his body to fit his role.That’s dedication, perfection….but his critics cannot see it. All they see is an over aged manipulator, a real villian.
Fictional villians come in all shapes and sizes; and agewise too, it does not matter; is there any rule that all leads (positive and negative) should be of a certain age–maximum 40-45? I don’t think so. Whatever your age you should carry it off without looking ridiculous, that’s all.
Aamir was terrific in Rang De Basanti, managing to shine in a multi-starrer. I love that film in its entirety–especially loved Atul Kulkarni and Kunal kapoor, but for me Aamir was specially good, at age 40, carrying off the role of a 25 yr-29 yr old.
I hope all the leads of Dhoom 3 do a good job that gives them credit, that the film succeeds in its entirety, the way Rang De Basanti did.
My recent favourite is Talaash. Yesterday my cablewallah telecasted that movie. Everyone acted sincerely and no one tried to outshine the others. One of the most underrated films.
Yes, Talaash was good, really loved it. Liked Aamir-Rani, but totally loved Kareena-Nawaazuddin! The latter pair had great roles and they were carried off perfectly. Aamir-Rani had the more subdued roles — and they did them justice, of course.
Here are some pics from Aamir’s kiddie b’day party. Abhishek-Aishwarya’s daughter is a svelte little thing with a beautiful hairstyle that’s quite grown up! Can’t wait to see her as she grows up. A few days back I saw some more pics of Aaradhya, the Abhi-Aish offspring. She had turned two. Tall kid with really daddylong legs.
Ha ha. Well said. Meanwhile watch this Malang-making video, a 2 and half minute humdinger that gives us more of the song, plus visuals. I have a feeling that this song may do the trick. Wishing all the best to Dhoom 3 team. Hard work and risk-taking should be rewarded
LS don’t worry dear 🙂 we know aamir takes up almost impossible roles and D3 has become such a safe bet now because of his involvement that BO counting will start from 201 cr onwards 🙂 reg. performances – well he has already made it clear that the movie has a strong emotional content – everyone has put in their best (aamir does this to all in his films) and no matter what people say – i think abhi / kat / uday – they will have a strong roles in this film and entire families will flock for this – to add – it looks to have a strong repeat value – so just chill and say “Bande he hum uske……hum pe kiska zor…” 🙂
Heh heh. I do have a feeling that this film will be a good entertainer. I watched Om Shanthi Om twice in theatre; found it to be a good entertainer with humour, colour, stars, songs, the lot. Hoping for good action, story, colourful sets, star pizzaz, songs, emotional core, some humour –in Dhoom 3. Fingers crossed.
Baba Yakuzanath, kaunsi ghufa mein virajman ho aap? Tanik bahar niklo, duniya ki bheed-baad mein padharo. Bees December tak, yeh duniya keval Dhoom karne ka intezaar kar rahi hai.
The song gets a little messy in the middle (which is a problem I feel Pritam has been having recently with these big sequel movies like Race 2 and this) but overall it’s a good song but the song itself doesn’t feel like a song that will increase the hype.
agreed. the initial chorus (which I quite like) is followed by weaker stuff.. the video is very grand here so it won’t matter in terms of the film but I do agree on the rest. Still this song is vastly better than anything in Krrish!
Even if Dhoom 3 had no songs, it would still have better music than Krrish 3 solely based on that damn catchy Dhoom tune!
And we’ve seen about 20 different pictures of Aamir’s acting of which only about 5 look ridiculous. Since this isn’t his forte, I’m fine with the 75% success rate
Unfortunately those banking on a film like D3 getting everything right are hedging their bets on the wrong film! It’s the kind of film that is derivative, formulaic and any suggestion of something out of the box and removed from what D1 & D2 offered would 1) defeat the idea of a sequel 2) confuse the audience.
In essence, the film needs to keep to the spirit of the previous ones and upgrade the content by 10-15%. Expecting more is a different film altogether, one of which the majority of fans who turned up to the first two films will probably get irked by.
Aamir does look a little out of place but it’s not going to matter. Remember Ghajini? If an audience can suspend belief and accept him in that kind of violent, angry role then this street smart cocky baddie role won’t need much to convince! My 10-15% upgrade on this film for what it’s worth would have been less stunts/action and more mind games, where the baddie really gets into the mind of the good guys, almost making them vulnerable – and that to be reversed by the end of the film leaving the baddie a shell of himself.
In any case, most of what I have seen is better than I expected and the target audience will almost surely lap this one up – at this point the trailer and first song are pretty solid in securing and consolidating buzz and one would feel pretty confident this is a film unlikely to fall flat with its target audience. Something would have to be vastly wrong compared to what we’ve seen so far to get this one so wrong. But hey it could be famous last words too!
I have a feeling we will see a lot of this ‘snarling’ Aamir which we are seeing in that pic on the bike where he is having some club sort of thing in his hands. Dont think Aamir is at its best when he gets into this snarling mode to convey anger. If given a proper role here, Abhishek can take him to the cleaners as he is more at ease in this terrain. All said and done this movie is all set to touch 300 crores purely if one goes by the hype that is built up.
Didn’t think much of this malang song–but it’s not worse compared to the krirsh3 songs —
Which is the point–with such crap songs/promos, k3 reached that tally ..
Ps: what is katrina wearing there? (in the pic fifth from the top!)
Can some1 explain 🙂
Asli Mard kaam tab hi kartey hain jab napkin ki zaroorat hi nah ho. Vaisey bhi, Sandra Fluke ne kaha hai ki Obama sab ko free birth control dene waala hai. To ab napkin waaley kaam kaun karega?
Agree– lol @ Aamirs ‘tap dancing’
I mean y is aamir doing this to himself..
There’s a half-volley franchise all set up for him –by HR, YRF, even abhishrek etc and aided by ash/katrina
Waiting to be milked to 300 crores plus
All aamir has to do is take it easy–y is he trying too much here -ending up looking funny …
Btw
“here’s one for all the Katrina lovers out there!”
–which one…?
Don’t think anybody is going to benefit here – apart from Aamir’s fund a/c and YRF – least of all Abhi. What is he doing signing inconsequential HNY and A I Well?
One cannot even suspend one’s disbelief to watch D3. It lacks the innocence and ‘naiveté’ of the first one and it’s becoming flatter by the sequel – even the expressions look tired and repetitive.
Aamir shouldn’t have done this one, seriously.
Even a ‘Shahid’ that earns 2 crores is a better movie than what is apparent from D3 here.
Btw what is that thingy katrina is being forced to wear?
And for gods sake, those beads ? And tribal style ‘jewellery’ is NOT a substitute to CLOTHES 🙂
“One lump or two?….I dont know..style is a relative thing…put a dress on a horse and maybe you wont be able to tell”–
Haha maggie rofl–which ‘lumps’ are those -is it about katrina ? 😉
Katrina certainly looks the fittest of actresses in Bollywood. Watch the making of ‘Malang’. I’ve never seen a Bollywood actress with the kind of biceps Katrina has here. I think Bipasha for e.g. is known to work out very hard but she’s never had these kind of biceps.
Katrina seems to have worked hard for the role and her fitness shows. She is looking great as well.
Give her a vamp role in a film alongside Shahid and Imran and she’ll look likely to easily kick their asses.
There’s an overdose of masala films. And practically all prominent names have featured in masalathons this year. Take a look: SRK [CHENNAI EXPRESS], Ranbir Kapoor [BESHARAM], Ajay Devgn [HIMMATWALA], Akshay Kumar [BOSS], Sanjay Dutt [ZILA GHAZIABAD, POLICEGIRI], Sunny Deol [SINGH SAAB THE GREAT] and Saif Ali Khan [BULLETT RAJA].
Only one of them workd – Chennai Express – and how!
Offside: Yes. Rohit did a brilliant job, both in conceptualizing and excuting the film. Deepika was marevellous. Haven’t seen this good comic timing combined with mainstream feminine charm since the days of Sridevi. SRK was okay too. First time I have liked him wholeheartedly after Swades and Cahk De.
Most of this is a useless press conference because of ridiculous questions. Even in Bollywood there have been better ones! However the only interesting moment occurred when Abhishek once again confirmed he had not known about the previous event. Aamir a bit hurriedly tries to cover up for this saying that they weren’t around because Abhishek/Uday had no song in the film. Which itself becomes an ‘odd’ moment, they try to pin it on the director who clearly has no answer because it obviously wasn’t his decision to begin with!
agreed on all points here satyam. Aamir is also becoming quite repetitive and boring here in conferences…..better stay away or take the questions beforehand and then decide on the conferences. This one was all nonsense barring a few bit u’ve mentioned.
I just think Aamir is just pretty boring when it comes to these things. It’s just not in his nature. Even in this press conference Abhishek looks more interested and interesting and I wish he was asked more questions. Put in Salman or SRK can it wouldn’t be as boring. Even Hrithik is boring imo.
Uday’s response about what Dhoom means to him is gold! And I like Aamir’s answer about how when he watched/watches Mughal-E-Azam, he had no idea what the box office collections were, he just watched the movie because it connected with him/for entertainment.
But he is wrong about the 30 second song teasers. He says that films usually release the full song video before the film releases. That’s just not true. From CE to YJHD to A2, K3, Ram-Leela, none of these films released full song videos. Actually among these films only D3 has released a full song video, the title song.
Read it with my morning coffee. Hope to hear Aamir and see him on Chennai film fest stage tomorrow.Will be attending CIFF opening ceremony tomorrow. For Rs 500/- per head, a week-long feast of international cinema. Last year’s selection was good. This year’s seems ok. Last year there was Claude Chabrol retrospective, Heneke’s Amour, some good Hungarian films…
Opening function seats are going to be packed; will be lucky to get into the hall. May even end up heading home, after seeing the cars whizz in. Hope it doesn’t happen.
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Juhu beach- to the Victor, the spoils!
All the best to Mr Acharya, his cast & crew, can’t wait to see D3! pic.twitter.com/hmnfJgJaKy
Disappointed for Abhi, he is almost getting the same footage as Uday..even though Abhi’s career is not doing well at the moment he is being portrayed as a side actor. He should not sign up for the next one in the series
the irony here is that when he was at his absolute lowest point he got BB where he was the ‘star’ of that show in very many ways in terms of the role he got and the attention in the advertising as well. He certainly wasn’t lesser in any sense. Now he has BB behind him, the film worked, he got a lot of attention for the part and he’s getting this sort of deal in D3. On the other hand he once again seems to have a great deal in HNY. Doesn’t make any sense. If anything Dhoom is the safest franchise. The producer doesn’t have to go this far. It’s like LRM after Munnabhai. You don’t have to change anything irrespective of how Dutt is doing elsewhere. Here with Dhoom it’s even better because you already have Aamir on board. Nonetheless they’ve systematically constructed a campaign where pretty much everywhere they’ve left out Abhishek. He still gets a somewhat better deal on the stills (which probably get lost in the larger campaign) but elsewhere from the promotions to the trailers to the videos games, at every point in this campaign there’s been this baffling imbalance which simply makes no sense. D2 had parity whatever might have happened later. Here it’s quite clear that Abhishek’s looking sharp, he will probably still have a much better showing here than D2 but somehow the campaign has been designed almost to efface him. Just very strange. Even in the film he doesn’t have a single song. Bizarre.
Aditya Chopra apologizes to Abhishek Bachchan
Wednesday, 11th December 2013,06:12
With promotion of the latest Yash Raj action adventure flick, ‘Dhoom 3’ in full swing, it has been noticed that Abhishek Bachchan has not been given the treatment he deserved as a consistent star of the film series. Although seen in both the prequels and an integral part of the third film of the series, he was given a miss at a few promotional events whereas Aamir Khan was focused on in entirety. We heard from a source that at the First Look launch of the film ‘Dhoom 3’, it was Aamir Khan who stole the show with his interaction while Abhishek was reduced to a quiet presence in the background. It was noticed at a few other promotional events too where Abhishek was conspicuously missing, especially at the Music launch of the film where Aamir along with co-star Katrina Kaif were present. It was later revealed that Abhishek had no idea about the event. It is no secret that Aamir loves taking centre stage and being in control at everything he does. But it was surprising to note the marketing team of ‘Dhoom 3’ skipping such a valuable detail.
Being a gentleman, Abhishek Bachchan decided to bite the bullet. Instead of bringing the injustice to the forefront, he stayed calm and let it pass. Another source said that although he was not comfortable with the way Aamir Khan was gathering attention at his expense, Abhishek wanted to keep quiet about it. It was then that the Yash Raj Production Team realized their mistake and Aditya Chopra was seen visiting Abhishek Bachchan to apologize and make amends for the injustice meted out to him by the team.
Abhishek Bachchan had reportedly sustained injury during workout in December. Nevertheless, he appeared for the promotional launch of the movie with his torn elbow and did not make a fuss about it. After such dedication towards his work and responsibility, the kind of treatment he has received is uncalled for. And one cannot forget that Abhishek Bachchan has had a long standing relationship with the Yash Raj Banner and has several Yash Raj hits to his name.
Realizing their oversight, Aditya Chopra with team in tow visited Abhishek Bachchan to apologize and make amends. We do not know what words passed between them. But all seems forgiven and back on track. Well, it is never too late to say sorry, what say, Aditya Chopra?
Bollywood Mantra but this same story has appeared in Zee News, India Today, a number of other places as well. As is always the case it’s essentially one story appearing in different places with slight variations. The original source here might have been either Midday or Mumbai Mirror. Yes those very ‘reliable’ sources!
Now this perverse under representation of abhishrek on the the promos/stills was obvious and not shocking given his box office.
I called out on that
And posted some news reports here..,
Snippets of Response –some aamir fans ignored it!!!
Few aamir fans ‘mutually decided’ these weren’t true and that “aamir can’t do it!!”
Those like Satyam opined that “these have been doing the rounds for some time but I didn’t post because I don’t think they are true!”
I think it’s disappointing to see this ‘smallness” shown by yrf/ aamir and moreover by some of the fans
One can’t prove the exact role of aditya & aamir, but it’s NOT possible that omitting abhishrek repeatedly was done without thief knowledge /approval
“Bollywood Mantra but this same story has appeared in Zee News, India Today, a number of other places as well. The original source here might have been either Midday or Mumbai Mirror”
So there are MULTIPLE sources of these reports and it’s being PROVED by actual footage/promos/presence of stars!!
But still there’s denial!!
Standard response –“As is always the case it’s essentially one story appearing in different places with slight variations. ”
I mean, this is NOT really gonna change the box office/fate of unis film or the careers of dhoom3 or of either aamir, katrina or even abhishrek
Or of the lives of fans of abhishrek/ bachchan /aamir either!
But this shows certain objectionable intent/actions of those involved.
For a long while, I have dissed abhishrek bcos I have got frustrated with his continued underperformance!!
But in this occasion, kudos to abhishrek for behaving so maturely and with ‘restraint’!
Abhishrek has truly shown class and his background (though I hope he had it in him to show some spine sometimes!
As for some bachchan fans like Satyam–
I don’t wanna dig up actual quotes but your initial responses were–
“These reports are not true!”
” they have appeared in many places and I have read them but I don’t feel they are true!”
I can see that abhishrek needs hits one way or another, but stating quiet for quite a long time, u have cheated abhishrek
It’s only when it became crystal clear (!) that abhishrek hasn’t even been invited to events, has for zero song –that u have come out in the open!
Feel for abhishrek bachchan –his few fans also don’t deserve him!!
LOL, since your descriptions don’t match anything I’ve actually said, since you’re also ripping out of context some of the things I might have said I don’t feel obliged to respond to all of this beyond stating the obvious on the larger point — a story whether partially or completely true, partially or completely false, doesn’t acquire more plausibility when 10 sources report it if all ten can ultimately be traced to same one (in this case unreliable source). I am not commenting on the veracity of this story or any other. Just talking about the larger point here which I also made with the K3 gross. The same story being spun a hundred times doesn’t make it more true. More importantly these aren’t then a 100 stories but just one!
But would you have said exactly the same thing if Hrithik had been here instead of Aamir? Yes the D2 advertising had parity more or less but when you also love the narrative of Hrithik trouncing Abhishek there or whatever I don’t here you say that Hrithik also had advantages here in a lot of ways including having the love angle and so forth. This was hardly the fairest thing imaginable. D3 I still think will have Abhishek doing a lot better than this. Yes despite the completely one-sided campaign so far. Nonetheless if you have a problem with D3 you should also have one with D2. Abhishek was going through a hot phase then so they didn’t advertise things this way but do you really think Hrithik would have objected if he’d been at the center of this sort of campaign?! He wouldn’t have and you wouldn’t have either!
Satyam: I can understand poor abhishreks ‘silence’ since he has to support a daughter now and a high -maintenance wife (besides his own lacklustre career!)
But what’s your big problem and denial ? Zilch
Just fan opportunism and pseudo tagging to aamir??
Disappointing indeed…
“Just talking about the larger point here which I also made with the K3 gross. The same story being spun a hundred times doesn’t make it more true. More importantly these aren’t then a 100 stories but just one!”
Why can’t u see the MORE likely possibility?
That those TEN sources (whatever the actual truth) are MORE likely to be true!
Just because u don’t like what they are seeing, u are closing your eyes ?
U had the same denial when k3 beat chennai express according to many sources
And now even aditya has gone to abhishrek to APOLOGISE and u are still in denial
Just bcos u don’t wanna accept the realities these events point out to ?
Ie
A girl is stripping in front of u–just by closing your eyes, she won’t suddenly get dressed up again
Or perhaps the opposite analogy is more apt here!! 🙂
LOL, I see you haven’t answered my hrithik questions!
by the way it’s ok to come up with decent analogies once in a while. With you everything comes down to women being stripped or women being bedded. Much as every discussion gets translated into all kinds of sexual imagery, also involving women. Man I pity the girl who ends up with you!
This is more apex critising aamir than supporting abhishek. Any little advantage he can seek he’ll take it. The irony is hrithik ‘took’ the advantage in d2 and apex will claim it to be his talent or screen presence did it. Its obvious a fanatic can only see through this narrow view. We get it apex. Everything hrithik does is great and everything aamir does is deceitful or cheating. In addition abhishek is rubbish only till the point aamir does something against him. Then lets praise abhishek. All roads lead to hell for aamir and heaven for hrithik. Dude get a new record player. This ones been spinning for ages on the same tune.
You know sexual innuendo can be funny when used sparingly or as a surprise tactic. But when every comment has “” over words with double meaning the kid is clearly either learning about biology or is going through puberty or is downright perverse. Dude get a ‘grip’
There’s a difference between d2 & d3, Satyam in that sense!
I’m suprised u didn’t note…
Hritik totally overshadowed abhishrek ONscreen but to be fair, most (forget abhishrek!) would have suffered at the hands of hritik there!
But there was NO perverse shady humiliation of abhishrek in the sense if being tagged with uday chopra
Not being invited to events as such!
Abhishrek was still billed as a hero and was presented such (though Hritiks obvious strengths there trumped him big time!)
FINALLY—
The most shameful thing here is this ‘APOLOGY’ by aditya&/or aamir!!
Even this is NOT spontaneous or well intentioned!!
The insecure aamir and aditya have seen these numerous reports in media
That are growing by the day…
Whatever the impact maybe, they don’t want any negative impact from a certain subsection of bachchan fans or non-khan fans (which isn’t a huge number!) but can affect d3 numbers, since they are aiming to beat k3 as a minimum face saving number
I actually don’t mind if some oeople give big statements to Prop up their film (eg praising vfx etc or in JTHJ, hyping yashs last film!)
Apex hritihk is ten out of ten. Aamir is zero out of ten. You happy now? Hritihk is a big star…in fact he is also Santa Claus and will buy you a big Xmas gift for all your support throughout 2013. Maybe a krrish3 action figure?
for far too long i have felt that things have not been hunky dory between the bachchans and YRF clan..maybe the Ash-Rani dynamic have soured their relationship.
At this point, Abhi has to just grin and bear it..somehow I feel Abhi may get positive reviews for D3, given that D3 is more of a departure from the lighthearted movies that the first two parts were
Ha Satyam–now u are being a ‘sore loser’
Admit and own up–it’s easy really..
be a man –don’t frantically fish for lifelines here lol
As for hritik -must admit-he Was guilty in participating in the
EMASCULATION exercise in D2!
Though when it’s ash in the picture to be kissed (!) can’t blame him really !
He would be a non-man to refuse an ash-kiss!!!
The REAL culprit there was again aditya !!
Let’s not say ‘what’s the big deal!’
I will dissect why that emasculation was a big deal.
It wasn’t Europe or even America but conservative india!
We were not talkng about mallika sherawat
Or a sunny leone
Or even a deepika padukone who is ever willing to ‘help out’ everyone from srk to saif to ranbir or ranveer to xyz on the road with (atleast) a kiss lol
We were talking about ash
Who had never truly ‘exposed’
Never really kissed on screen (properly)
Who had maintained a certain ‘dignity’ (unlike those like deepika)
And abhishrek was recently engaged or married or something like that !
And I guess even abhishrek had NOT kissed ash by then
(Since ash had been busy with salman and then Oberoi!)
Then suddenly she was forced to do this marathon kiss and bikini number
(& that too with cuckold abhishrek watching!!)
The FINAL clinching factor that must have KILLED abhishrek is
That
How can we blame poor hritik
When even Ash visibly ENJOYED that kiss with hritik 🙂
Sonil Dedhia in Mumbai
“I am shifting my base to Hollywood,” proclaims Uday Chopra, who will establish the family production house Yash Raj Films (YRF) Entertainment in the West.
The 40-year-old actor, who has moved on from acting as he realises he will never be a star, now heads YRF’s international films division, and is meeting up with some of the biggest Hollywood stars.
Watched bits of this d3 group press conference.
Aamir os alright but he looks tired n old. As for abhishrek, wonder where does all this wit n timing go when he comes ONscreen?
But the important question is–WHAT is katrina wearing? Is it a slit nightie with something she could lay her hands on to cover up?
Or is it a reaction after the previous press conference (pic in the link below) wherein there were upskirt moments 🙂
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Actress Katrina Kaif, who has finally opened up to the media, made light of Kareena and Ranbir Kapoor’s conversation on Koffee with Karan, by saying whatever they said was a joke.
She said this during the press conference of Dhoom: 3, which is set to hit the screens on December 20.
Watch: Go Kamli with Katrina Kaif in Dhoom 3
Asked how she reacted to Kareena’s comment on Koffee with Karan where Kareena said she would dance to Katrina’s hit songs at Ranbir’s wedding, Katrina said: “Kareena and Ranbir are cousins so they pull each other’s legs. There is no such thing like that. They said it as a joke. I don’t think they were serious.”
She was then asked on which song would she perform at Ranbir’s wedding, to which Katrina said: “If for some reason, I have to dance on a song at Ranbir’s wedding, I would dance on the Besharam song.”
Reacting to Ranbir’s statement that Katrina is a special person in his life and he would like to give his life for her, she said: “I would like to give my life to anyone who needs and who is a dear friend. If Ranbir is ever in need, I will definitely be there for him.”
Additionally, the actress says she has no plans to get married for the next 20 to 30 years. She said, “It’s final and lock it. I am not getting married to anyone right now for the next 20 to 30 years.”
What an apt song chosen by Katrina .—If she is ever made to dance @ ranbirs wedding!
— btw Kat can even be witty (when she wants to!) & has a nice ‘choice’ lol
I don’t think this interview has been put up, so here is Aamir speaking to Bollywood Hungama’s Faridoon Sharyar, on Dhoom 3, expectations, promise, hopes, fears, nervousness, the lot. First part of the full interview.
“The formula is whatever your weekend is, the first three days, you take that and you take the total collections that the film ultimately does. For example, 3 Idiots (2009) made Rs. 202 crore in India, with weekend collections of Rs. 40 crores, I think. 40 multiplied by 5 is 200. That indicates to me that it was a very well loved film.”
The debacle surrounding the box office of income of Krrish 3 is one of 2013′s most infamous scandals. With Dhoom 3 seeking a release next week, Koimoi asked the opinion of film’s lead actor Aamir Khan on the same.
The perfectionist actor retorted saying, “Numbers have been getting fudged since forever. There is nothing new about it. But if one decides to manipulate figures they are fooling themselves. There is no merit in doing that.”
The actor continued saying, “The best yardstick to see how your film has fared is to check how many weekends has the film run. A film that is heavily performed will earn for multiple weekends. In my opinion it shows how consistently the film has earned.”
A couple of statements that make sense from Aamir with regards box office. The Krrish 3 box office reports is definitely one for the record books, the record books of how to fool your audience! the “tail” off in numbers is quite dramatic after 2 weeks and is convincing enough to suggest the numbers were fudged highly. No one will know the exact figures, whether it broke records or not. What is clear is Taran mentioned it broke records and then claimed D3 is only chasing Chennai Express in so many words. Also Chennai Express and YJHD “lasted” longer. Also sources out there other than producer suggesting a much lower total than 200 crores! The Roshans haven’t proved their numbers to be “right” but that’s hardly a position of guilt as no one does this anyway!
But Aamir’s comments make sense. A successful film will run, and even in today’s time will run for more than 2 weeks. The “social audit” is more or less “trending” and is a very apt way of describing it.
On D3, this is going to be historic. Some reports on advance booking already around and it’s going to be historic. This is the clearest indication, Friday is definitely D(h)oom’s day for some!
yes looks to be the sort of initial that will be once again way in excess of anything any other film has done. And then we’ll be back to that stale game of every other star’s films trying to reach the same benchmark by hook or by crook! 5 months later or 20 years later!
A well made thriller has less repeat value than a well made drama . A mediocre thriller will do better business than mediocre drama. I think initial would be good but follow through would be decent.
Empty week helps movies which are average or better. If it is a rejected movie it doesn’t help. An empty week will help R..Rajkumar but not Besharam.
Aamir is old-school in some ways — that’s a compliment.
I am sadly going to miss Dhoom3 during the first weekend (the sacrifices one makes for a wedding!). But Abhishek is looking meaner here than in quite a while, and the more stills I see of him, the more I like what I see (nothing like the ridiculous Hawaiian shirt from D2).
Or finish off the wedding mahurat during the afternoon show so that you can head off to the theaters in the evening show and then the night show is of course going to be all yours & hers!!!!!
To me most Aamir interviews are extremely sensible. Sometimes he repeats himself, but I still find his commonsense so refreshing. He once talked about a film needing to make 10% profit at least, so every employee down to spotboy could be paid.But many commenters find him boring.
I suppose SRK’s non-stop talk is more entertaining. Yet, occasionally even SRK indulges in what is generally termed verbal diahorrea. He is funny, but he can go on talking in circles — and that can get boring after a point.
I have not seen Salman give memorable interviews. A few now and then, but then the guy is mostly action, in reel and real life.
Common sense has truly become uncommon these days. Aamir talks of such simple, sensible statements. But the fans who are clubs-obsessed, who is going to talk to them? It is better to walk away. I think the Roshans were pretty ok with K3 making it to the 100 cr club. But CE spoiled their party. Since CE is supposed to have touched 200 (with lesser variance from different ‘reliable’ sources), they HAD to cross it, by hook or crook. They fell prey to this club-entry, considered anything below 200 a ‘presitige’ issue and they went over-board stressing ON the numbers and motor-mouthing its ‘quality’, and ‘quantity.’
Agreed some people are waiting with bated breath for D3 to fail so that Aamir can be crucified for considering the Roshans to be ‘dubious!’
Agree with Qalandar – Aamir is refreshingly old-school and sometimes his talks sound simplistic – but they are really plain, simple truths which when uttered in these days, count as planned and Machiavellian.
Hehe maggie–u know how to keep me in good spirits lol
“So..what’s to keep Katrina’s boobs from bouncing ?”–
Ok don’t worry–I will be kind to provide her ‘external support’ 🙂
yes he talked about this on the Johar show as well and he’s quite right.. plus this isn’t just a ‘moral’ difference. It shows up in the trending all too clearly.
It’s been proven repeatedly that ‘trending’ is important but not without an ‘initial’…
In D3: the initial will be humungous due to the franchise, big star cast, aamir, katrina and so on, but aamir is not really the clincher in that.
‘Trending’ (as aamir has admitted many many times) after the first weekend is more dependent on the content/product and as aamir has said many times, in the brilliant three idiots was due to factors like hirani/abhijat joshi onwards.
Once in a while, a film comes up where a star circumvents borderline content into a big initial and even big trending.
Memento/southern remake ghajini was not one such instance nor was Gupte lifted Tzp (which wasn’t a big hit)
In recent years (past 5-6 years), aamir got a chance to show his star power in talaash–the result is there to see… 🙂
As for dhoom3: it’s uncanny that the likes of aamir have started chirping about k3 now (after Hritiks obvious problems) knowing he or RR won’t be bothering about clarifying about numbers at this stage.
Aamir should be thanking HR for gifting him a 350 crores plus film on a platter rather than this theorising about numbers. When he talks about trending, one should utter only one word –talaash 🙂
Talaash was a lovely film that made a decent amount of money without flopping. And that’s all that matters for cinema lovers — not how much money a film made. I am so glad that aamir had the guts to make Talaash, a risky film in many ways.
“a risky film in many ways.”–
Yup LS–it’s ‘risky’ to be gallivanting late hours with prostitute Kareena dressed in clothes styled better than she usually gets!
It’s ‘risky’ to starve your ‘die hard fans’ for four years to prevent ‘over exposure’
It’s ‘risky’ to tag with a big production house excel and use their marketing /production facilities rather than producing this ‘risky’ subject yourselves
It’s ‘risky’ casting another topnotch heroine rani (if one wasn’t enough) and make her play a crowd pleasing ‘domesticated’ (but relatively hot) housewife
It’s ‘risky’ to copy kahaanis style but changing /reshooting it later on when this got picked up and delaying three films in a row for that–talaash, dhoom3, peekay …
It’s ‘risky’ to go with Kareena into a hotel room and then chickening out at the last moment to avoid getting ‘exposed’ due to ‘underperformance!’ 🙂
Complete BS about copying Kahaaani. Talaash was being made even while Kahani was being readied for release. And yes, this supernatural story was NOT a safe film likely to become a blockbuster. But what’s the use of arguing with somebody whose view of Aamir is clearly jaundiced and coloured.
you shouldn’t take Apex too seriously when it comes to Aamir (or any other matter!). I liked Kahaani but liked Talaash a lot more. The former was certainly fine in every sense, most notably on the feel of the city but Talaash was a much more interesting film in my book. Probably my favorite Aamir film in many years. Not necessarily saying it’s his very best but the one that I liked most. It was also the rare Bollywood film with a major actor that was truly sincere and wasn’t made for the numbers. Not that there’s anything wrong with the latter but with more interesting subjects a greater integrity is required. Most of the time Bollywood does ‘pretend’ different.
Let’s leave kahaani–since it can’t be proved.
So u agree that all the other points are true lol…
Kool it LS–even u are becoming like sons fanatic/ zealots here..
Lemme give u some ‘support’ ooops, no coffee 😉
@ Alex –I certainly don’t agree with your points, but ok, have your fun. :).I am going to stop falling into your argument trap . In any case I am currently enjoying some ok-ish films at a local film fest. And then there’s D3 next week. So, for me, plenty of cinema around this month.
A good one year later than initially declared and god only knows the reasons for such a delay….. In the meantime Aamir has tried to keep Peekay as a back up lest things don’t work out here as planned! The gap would be suicidal
I still feel aamir is all wrong for this kind of movie and even the justification of a good script does not seal it unless movie has been made in a really interesting manner. I am sure Talaash for all its worth on paper could not project what it set out to do and that too with some reshoots etc requested by Aamir.
Archarya , the director is interesting and hope he has not made a slow boring torcher in the name of script I wish to be pleasantly surprised and I do want aamir to do well here.
Ideally Akki is the dashing hero for this kind of subject after Abraham and Hritik. Anupma Chopra’s interview was a bit on the mark when she questioned him why the movie is all angry and continuous frown on aamir’s face. Then Aamir – Katrina pairing too is so way off the mark.
In the past two movies of aamir with huge expectation did not do much and one of them Mela was a disaster but Fanaa did hold a bt of audience attention but nothing what the hype suggested. Rest aamir movies do well with surprise element esp RDB , Dil Chahta and Lagaan etc
Would be a interesting phase for Aamir anyway we look at it.
@ apex — I am not a zealot fan of Aamir; just a regular fan who speaks up when provoked – and you have provoked plenty since Dhoom 3 promotions began.
Watched my last film fest fare this evening. The Great Beauty, Italy’s entry for the Oscars.Liked it, but did not love it.Good satire, wit, philosophy, music, cynicism, the lot. Could have been shortened by twenty minutes. My favourite film is an Iranian film Parviz, a black comedy.Watched 8 films totally through the film fest week.
On another note, Jai Ho trailer was such an anti climax and clearly wtf after those posters. I mean thobda toh shahid kapoor bhi phod rela hai aajkal ….
Hope the movie has some depth because we have recently seen Boss/ Sahib Singh / Bullet Raja / Rajkumar in the same mode. They should immediately bring a romantic feel to the movie
EVERYTHING is set up and it’s like a half-volley crying /pleading to be hit for a six (into the record books!)
If such a scenario—if one is fair—
Anything less than 350 crores domestic net should be v disappointing and infact shameful for aamir and the team.
But I feel that they should achieve it –all the best to team dhoom 3..
If they fail, it will be a dark day for aamir and also the proponents of unlimited exponential extrapolation of trending like Satyam who feel that a well liked film can go on and on into weeks and weeks and that the public has limitless moolah, time n attention.
I’m not saying it’s wrong and am hoping aamir delivers ATLEAST 350 crores here because if there’s a film that can do it and wherein this limitless theory can be truly tested, it is dhoom 3 (even more than jai ho or peekay or whatever !)
So remember folks–The key figure for dhoom3 is
Domestic net
350 crores
I would say 200 crores is a given and looking at the craze if the movie is even half decent this will touch 250+ crores surely and 300 crores is possible with a decent to above average movie. If this movie is as liked as 3I then 350 crores +. This has to be the most hyped movie by a distance in the last 5 years.
One bad report and things will change dramatically. I belive K3 had a better chance at 300cr. Aamir is not all young for such a project though Kat is a definite attraction but we saw how she completely ruined JTHJ for yrf.
Ticket prices dont permit a major repeat viewing domestically unless humor is first rate. Keep in mind the movie is 3 hours long and the turn around is not so quick.
It seems the ticket prices at some halls are as high as 900 Rs. Thats quite a substantial hike and I hope that some political party protests against this indiscriminate hike…
“Disappointing tak toh theek hai but atleast dont say ‘ shameful ‘”
Nope I truly mean what I said !!
If one is to look for terms like ‘disappointing’ or ‘par’ etc, dnoom3 will have to do 400 and 450 crores respectively.
I chose my words carefully by terming it as ‘shameful’ if it is less than 350 cr(wh)ores!
I’m not here to push angendae like some here. It’s a fact.
And what has aamir being doing all this while since ghajini /3I ??
It’s like paying for a (so-called) 10dulkar or Lara or messi in your team and feed him millions to perform for u—
And when the World Cup comes, u don’t expect him to have diarrhea!!!
He better performs big time or else be kicked & made to ‘pay’.
if one chalks up TEN factors to produce a record breaking blockbuster, and fulfils all of them–
Dhoom3 has TWENTY in its favour !!!
So yeah –things are measured in context—
<350 crores will be shameful lol
If I wanted to be difficult or naughty I could have quoted a bigger figure –since the truth is that a par tally here will be 450 crores 🙂
Apex you do have a point wrt to 10dulkar or Lara or messi analogy but domestic market is not ready for such huge numbers in my opinion due to tickets prices and disposal income at hand for moviegoers. ….unless this is out of the world movie with universal appeal and has something for all sections with great repeat value.
Most Indian movies will wind up close to 250cr domestically at most -either front loaded or big tender. This is the market for hindi movies in current scenario. I doubt this is a current Sholay from any angle from the promos.
U are saying what I’ve been telling for ages here (& it keeps getting proved by every big release!)
It’s Satyam and his cohort who propose this limitless extrapolation of numbers that goes on and on in a ‘liked’ film.
And I’ve opposed this all along (& results prove it!)
But imo in dhiom3 , lots of factors are working out in unison simultaneously capable of producing SUPRA-ADDITIVE returns.
So yeah–it’s possible to breach 400 or even 450 here!!
But if D3 doesn’t it–it will be a v sad day for -aamir and Satyam/ co unfortunately–I stay optimistic though and want d3 to succeed …
In 2006
Hrithik in Krrish made 70 crores
Hrithik in D2 made 80 crores.
That’s 14% more. The film also released later in the year with more screens.
In 2013
Hrithik in K3 made 175 crores or for the blind and impaired 230 crore…whatever it is the same assessment can be made.
D3 has to make 350 crore, that too just to avoid being called a disappointment. To be a success it needs to make 400 or 500 crore.
If D3 just makes 220-240 it will have underperformed. Simply no two ways about it. Actually anything less than 300 is an underperformance in my book. 3I did 205 in 2009. CE just did as much or more (if you believe the higher numbers). Here we’re looking at a historic initial by a mile, if the film is liked just as much as D2 there’s no reason why it shouldn’t do 300 at the very least. If you take this sort of film and assume less than Ghajini-like trending let alone 3I-like you’ll get this. Of course films can always underperform but one must separate what is possible for a film versus what might happen if it doesn’t live upto expectations. And again my 300 number doesn’t assume some massively like film. Actually, and I’ve said this before, for D3 to match the D2 numbers in every sense it would have to do 350 or more. It ‘seems’ unreasonable till it happens. Also remember the reason many films don’t do this is because they’re poor works that are enough to draw an initial but are not really liked. It’s absurd to say that 185 or so is a great total for YJHD and then to set the bar for films like Krrish or Dhoom just a bit higher than this. Again remember before Ghajni happened no one thought those kinds of numbers were possible, to an extent this was true even for D2. And of course this was true for 3I. When you have something like ETT doing 140-150 in week 1 and then not even getting to 200 that’s not because this is some impossible barrier but for the reason that it just fizzled out after a huge initial. CE without Krrish or Dhoom kind of billing crossed 200. Decent trending but hardly spectacular in any sense.
All of this is about potential and what seems likely based on the trailers (for instance I found Krrish weak on this score). This doesn’t mean a film cannot underperform. Again less likely here given what we know about the film but anything’s possible. Even a good film can do this if it is ‘good’ in ways not entirely to the audience’s taste. I really don’t see that happening here. I mention only because those possibilities are always there even for the safest films. But yes less than 300 is an underperformer in my book. And given the initial it will generate for it to end up in your range it would basically be doing an ETT if not worse.
When Ghajini did 115, most other big movies were doing 80-90. 3 Idiots is an outlier (other big movies were still doing 80-90 crore or even less). If any movie which is liked like 3 Idiots , it would do 400 crore (because current big movies are doing 170-210 crore). I think like other big movies it could do 225 crore and that would be par for D3. If it does more than 250 it would be liked better than current lot. 300 would be good. Anything below 200 would be underperformance.
ps – If it does 250-275 then it would be like Ghajini.
when Ghajini opened to around 55 crores (not counting extended week) the initial for every other film hadn’t even exceeded 45 crores, actually it was in the low 40s in most cases, some of the numbers were cooked. When Ghajini did 115 D2 was the only film at 85. no other film had even crossed 70. Everyone had Krrish at 70. The difference between D2 and Ghajini was therefore very significant. Now in fairness Ghajini released two years after D2 but even in the interim no film had done as much with the exception of OSO which was initial pegged at 80-85 but later numbers were reduced even by BOI. Some had RMBDJ at 80. I think this was high too but in any case still way behind Ghajini both in terms of initial and final gross. When D2 released it did around 32-35 crores (again depending on who you believe) while the next highest initials (KANK, Krrish) were in the 26-28 range. So most big films weren’t doing 80-90 at all when Ghajini released. But leaving this aside consider the metrics of the franchise. D2 made roughly 2.5 times its initial. The first Dhoom did something similar. Even with no stars at that point and even using BOI numbers it was only slightly behind MHN the same year, it did as much As Dhawan’s MSK with Askhay and Salman. The point is this film has always done very well (I got into the Dhoom details sometime back but the idea that this was a small film that went to another level with D2 is something of a myth.. it was of course made bigger with the stars and so on but the first one already had very big numbers). And so if you assume an ETT start or better (I think the latter) you are looking at 150 crores minimally for week 1. Maybe more. Even going with a more conservative number a Ghajini-like graph would give it 300. Which would still be short of the trending patterns exhibited by the earlier two films. I do agree on the 3I number being worth 400 in today’s money. Even a Dhoom is unlikely to do this because popcorn genres ultimate don’t connect in deep enough ways for this to happen. They’re calling this the most emotional Dhoom yet but still it would take a remarkably strong script and/or moments for that to be possible. But my claim has for very long been the opposite one whether it was 100 crores or 200. I think a lot more films should have been able to hit these thresholds without most of it being the initial. In other words a lot more 75 crore week 1 numbers should have led to 150 crores, so and so forth. But no one’s making anything more than half-decent these days. Most of the time worse than this. So if you make a film only for the initial, if you refuse to work on the script et al the stars, the music or whatever will give you that initial but not surprisingly nothing more. One can’t then say the numbers these films reach are a limit because the films in question are just poor. With Dhoom I expect a vastly better film. But I think ETT could easily have done 250 (it would still have done far less than Ghajini trending). Ultimately without substance no film in any genre can truly set extraordinary benchmarks. Now obviously some genres work better than others in any given age but without good writing there’s no film that can last for very long. LRM had amazing trending. Went to 70 from a week 1 of 21 or so. We know what happened with 3I. Other examples could be offered on a lesser scale but the point is that there is a correlation between quality and final gross. And with quality I just mean a film that the audience can truly be invested in and not just ‘enjoy’.
Some wild,arbitrary and inflammatory comments from usual suspects above.
For most people who have their head screwed on right, I think 200 would be a kind of minimum here. I would consider it a non-success if it falls short of 200 crores. Trending would also be important in terms of how it gets to 200 in terms of deciding if it is a well liked film or not.
With a huge opening 200 may not be that difficult but if it trends poorly, would consider it just one more of those front loaded biggies which are profitable but not really well liked.
I am hopeful it will do considerably more but as of now the product is the unknown here.
I think it will comfortably cross all benchmarks by a distance. of course Apex is nonetheless insincere in his remarks and we all know the reasons why!
As for K3, I think it is pretty clear to the sane that the actual final total was short of 200 and those who put up those huge inflated totals and those who defended those should be hanging their heads in shame. If they are capable of feeling shame.
I put up this on a different post by mistake and was probably missed.
Aamir is finally on KWK and first thing Karan asked him was why did he keep on refusing to show till now?
Aamir’s honest and blunt answer- Because I didnt know you well enough and whatever I knew I didnt like!
“Uday & I Are Dhoom” : Abhishek Bachchan
December 16, 2013
For Abhishek Bachchan as well as Katrina Kaif, Dhoom 3 is their first release in 2013.
“It’s not as if I planned it that way. After Bol Bachchan in May 2012 my career panned out in such a way that there was no release until now. Dhoom 3 kept getting repeatedly delayed for whatever reasons. And unfortunately for my fans and for Katrina’s fans, there was no release in 2013. It wasn’t planned that way. And I didn’t miss myself on screen. I see myself every day in the mirror.”
Abhishek says he felt no career pangs about being away for a longish time. “By the grace of God, I am not an insecure actor at all. And if you see the career-graph of others no major actor does more than a couple of films per year.Aamir, for that matter, has not been in a film since Talaash a year back.So…no! I don’t feel insecure about not being on screen for some time.”
Abhishek Bachchan has been a constant in the Dhoom franchise’s journey from the time it took off in 2004.
Says Abhishek with a spot of vanity, “Pardon the immodesty, but Uday Chopra and I ARE Dhoom. The franchise chronicles the ongoing adventures of Jai and Ali, that’s me and Uday.That’s the format of the franchise. The other characters may come and go. But we go on forever.Like Batman & Robin. Can there be a Batman franchise without Batman?”
Having said that, Abhishek looks back with much affection at the journey. “From Dhoom to Dhoom 2 and now to Dhoom 3 it has been an amazing journey. To begin with it was the story of the adventures of these 3 boys, me, Uday and John Abraham. Our producer Aditya Chopra suggested we try to re-define the action genre in our cinema. We were all young hopeful and enthusiastic , eager to try out this experiment. How were we to know it would turn out the way it did?!”
Now Abhishek feels the Dhoom franchise is watched for being what it it is. “Yes, there are stars in the film.Dhoom 2 had Hrithik and Aishwarya(and if I may say so, my wife was wonderful in the film). And now Dhoom 3 has Aamir and Katrina. But I think the brand Dhoom is a much larger than starcast.”
Abhishek feels the presence of a new director in the franchise brings all-new challenges to the table. “The other two Dhoom films were not directed by Victor(Vijay Krishna Acharya).So there is a new feel and flavour to the franchise that Uday and I could identify and feel since we are carryovers from the earlier life of the franchise. Victor had a different vision. Fans of the Dhoom series would be surprised by the changes in the franchise. Earlier the focus was on making a fun film. This is an edgier and darker Dhoom than the first two”
Abhishek has no leading lady in Dhoom 3. But he does have Aamir Khan.Abhishek can’t stop raving about his formidable co-star. “I must have been 11 when Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak came out. It changed the way we look at love stories. The nation went crazy.We’ve loved and admired him for the kind of cinema he works in. Working with him was great learning experience.”
Abhishek has lots of action scenes in the film. “Dhoom 3 was physically demanding. But I enjoyed all the action. It was like giving fancy toys to a boy to play with. I got to ride around in motorbikes and to ride these sleek motor-boats through these narrow canals in Chicago.”
As for trade voices already predicting a 200-crore run for Dhoom 3 Abhishek opines nonchalantly, “These are expectations from within the industry. The audience doesn’t care about how much money a film makes. Do you know the collections of your all-time favourite film Amar Prem? Audiences go to a film.They like or dislike it. That’s it.”
“One must stay in their limits only. I think one must aim for Mars… Forget about reaching the Sun. It is not going to happen. It is the same with him. He is the biggest, was, is and is ever going to be. So don`t aspire to be that because it is not going to happen. Aspire to be your own man and achieve your own goals,” Abhishek told PTI in an interview here.
Have you seen the other films of the Dhoom franchise?
I haven’t seen Dhoom 2. I had seen Dhoom at home with Kiran on television. I found that movie very exciting and lots of fun. I sat till the end. In fact, I loved the music too. I used to dance on my bed whenever I heard the theme soundtrack of the film. Kiran was shocked to see me like this. Unfortunately, I missed the second one. –
Describe Sahir as the villain of Dhoom 3
Sahir is not Amrish Puri kind of negative. He is not actually killing people. It’s not like my role in Fanaa where I am responsible for many people losing their lives. He is the guy who has a past and has gone through an emotional trauma. The script is such that you as an audience and your emotions are with him. He is a character, we are hoping, will win your sympathy.
weirdly he’s maintained that line ever since he’s become part of the franchise. In the ANupama Chopra appearance he implausibly suggested he hadn’t had the time to see it. LOL!
Yeah it is a bit weird. Some of his recent interviews have suggested that when it comes to offering constructive criticism to his cinema and contemporaries, there’s more or less an even split between his candor and his reserve. Think by and large he speaks his mind but also pulls his punches on certain questions, or perhaps is simply being a diplomat. But yeah it’s hard to shake the sense that he simply doesn’t want to field the followup question should he admit he’s seen D2!
that’s probably right because he also goes out of his way to say he really enjoyed the first one. Why wouldn’t you check out the sequel if you liked the initial one so much?! Specially since you’ve had seven years to do so!
Since Aamir is saying that his character is going to win sympathy of audience, that more or less rules out anyone else having a prominent role. Even the faceoffs will have the audience rooting for the ‘bad’ guy. Looks like this will be on the same lines as D2. Yes there will be a greater emotional story but all that will not translate to the other getting a proper character arc. Looks like only Katrina and AK will have bulk of the character development here…
Now @ the eve of the big success called dhoom3, we see lots of aamir fans here n elsewhere
But what’s interesting is it to tease out the ‘pseudo’ form the ‘real’
Scenario 1
I had put forward the 350 crores minimum target for d3-which is perfectly reasonable give the franchise, stars, genre, production house etc etc
And the REAL aamir fan will agree to that
–as he/she did when he/she admitted that talaash had underperformed big time (& wasn’t aiming to make 70-80 crores!)
The REAL fan agrees that 300 crores should be made around /before the second weekend
ANYTHING less than that, is disappointing
Bcos he/she BELIEVES in their ‘icon’ (whether right or wrong is immaterial!)
The FAKE/strategic fan
Is the FIRST to get INSECURE/FIDGETY to hear these genuine targets facing D3–why?
Bcos in the heart of their hearts, they themselves don’t have faith in aamir and his stardom /ability
His ‘fandom’ is just a public front due to issues like
Abandonment
Being ‘orphaned’ eg bachchan ex-fans trying to regain ‘lost glory’ etc
I’m NOT Aamirs fan as such
But knowing the Setting, franchise, genre, production and Aamirs own script sense & judgment, I feel these numbers 350 crores plus are surely ON…
IF AAMIR KHAN IS WHAT HE IS PEDALLED TO BE ALL THIS–
Time to prove it !!
I feel it is more likely to be achieved than not –wait n watch …
amir is getting massive attention from the media…is abhi being ignored ,seems to be he is annoyed ,typical media..always ignore bachan..I hope abhi gets credit for this 3rd venture of DHOOM
Anyway since OG was complaining A LOT that Aamir is the PRIME reason for women’s libido hitting rock bottom, here’s her gift – We do have ‘special’ people for such things..why drag poor Aamir into this business when he, of all, says that he is hardly a star!!
“OG was complaining A LOT that Aamir is the PRIME reason for women’s libido hitting rock bottom,”
OG aka Goldie should throw some light on female libidos
Time for a ‘survey’
Infact this survey /poll is open for all girls /women/ guys who think /behave like gals
And those who are of questionable gender (eg anu)
And those who are ‘Sally’ or post as ‘salim’
what makes u ‘libidinous’ or ‘turns u on’? 🙂
Disclaimer : the data from any response(s) will only be used for analytical research meant towards the betterment of (man) kind
Why don’t you take all your male colleagues to D3 and unwrap her as a gift — on the screen I mean…
For females, you can make 10 copies of D1 or D2 and ask them to ogle at the villains!!! As OG said, unfortunately, Adi has opted for AK who will bring their libidos to a crashing low…
Don’t know how much of this is true–am skeptical as always, even more so after watching K3’s head-turning event – or a publicity stunt –
Kiaara Sandhu @KiaaraSandhu 6h
Cosmopolitan Magazine Review #Dhoom3, Best Action film Ever made in the History of India.@juniorbachchan & @aamir_khan are Outstanding. 5*/5
As the release of the Aamir Khan-starrer draws closer, the IMAX screens have set their prices at Rs. 400-600 for the morning shows and Rs. 700-900 for the night shows, according to their official website.
As Dhoom 3 readies to make its stylised entry at the box office on Friday, it seems that it will not just impact audiences visually but financially as well.
As the film’s release draws closer, the IMAX screens have set their prices at Rs. 400-600 for the morning shows and Rs. 700-900 for
the night shows, according to their official website.
If that is not enough, the film is expected to make waves in Pakistan too.
For a family of five, watching Dhoom 3 could thus mean an expenditure of Rs. 4,500, sans any coke and popcorn!
The prices might seem extravagant and uneconomical for a middle class family but advance booking status on the website shows that the seats are filling up fast and have even been sold out at places.
This might be the status for IMAX screens but others are keeping the ticket price affordable. The cost of tickets in multiplexes ranges between Rs.300-Rs.400.
The prices in New Delhi seem to be lesser than those in Mumbai and range between Rs. 200-Rs.250, with the exception of a few theatres where the prices have gone upto Rs. 500.
Smaller cities like Chandigarh and Jaipur fall in the average price range of Rs. 150-Rs 400. However, there are also places like the Gaiety Galaxy theatre in Bandra where you can enjoy Aamir Khan’s grey character in the action thriller at reasonable rates.
“All the theatres might have been taking advantage of the release of Dhoom 3, but we at Gaiety Galaxy have made it a point to not increase the rate. Our ticket prices remain consistent at Rs. 70-Rs 90,” said Manoj Desai of Gaiety Galaxy. Desai added that the weekend is already pre-booked and he is expecting an identical pattern in the following week as well.
Produced under the Yash Raj Films banner and directed by Vijay Krishna Acharya, the film boasts of a starry cast with Aamir in a new avatar – he will be seen as a gymnast.
Abhishek Bachchan and Uday Chopra will reprise their roles of Jai Dixit and Ali from the last two Dhoom movies and Katrina Kaif will enhances the glamour quotient as the female lead in the movie, which will be Bollywood’s first film to be released in the IMAX format, a specialised film format.
The 2D film is already being appreciated for the stunts featured in the trailer and especially the bike scenes featuring Aamir.
Trade analyst Amod Mehra predicts that the film will surpass the collections of previous blockbusters. “Reality check.. Mark my words…Dhoom 3 will cross Rs. 100 crore in the first three days and it will also cross Rs. 200 crore in the first seven days,” Mehra said in post on Twitter on Wednesday.
Raising the bar of pre-release promotions, the makers have also come up with innovative advertisements with tag lines reading – “It’s Dhoom day…Are you bunking college today”.
December 25, 2012 at 9:13 AM
A separate thread for the logo video and one for the image 🙂
And it’s an year away
Hahaha
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August 15, 2013 at 5:23 PM
That’s a really poor copy of Dark Knight – Aamir looks ‘little people’! How could they…
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December 25, 2012 at 9:23 AM
oh i forgot–this has THE two blue eyed ‘boys’ of this blog together
aamir and abhishrek!!
the yrf factor is neutrialised for the time being
expect the MOTHER of all buildups
the other point here is about abhishrek–its good to see him exercise caution after BB –but to do nothing else for one year for essentiually a
supporting role where he wont get much credit should be a concern to his fans and apologists
ps–i think with aamir, abhishrek will get the best chance to trump the villian (if there ever was given the genre)
time for abhishrek to ‘avenge’ dhoom 2 esp the the Ash-HR kiss!!
Abhishrek has certain demons to deal with here…lol
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December 25, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Yes Dhoom and demon must be synonymous to Abhishek.
Dhoom 1 was the first hit in his already long career – but John got more out of it since the movie made him an overnight youth star for his style quotient. No ramp model could have asked for a better outcome in the second year of his career.
Dhoom 2 was of course the downfall of Abhishek’s promise with which the media went a bit overboard in 2005. Hrithik turned him into an irrelevant side actor while making merry with Ash. The ‘irrevelance’ became more prominent as the movie went on to become one of the biggest blockbusters and not another hit like the first one.
Worse of it all, 8 years after Dhoom 1 – we see John still hogging limelight in Race 2 and also has an interesting release in Shootout at Wadala next year. Whereas Abhishek is reduced to doing one movie a year due to lack of offers – and getting only supporting roles!
Even as producers, John has gone way ahead. While Abhishek managed to ride on his ‘Paa’ – John produced one of the best movies this year which was also a Superhit!
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December 25, 2012 at 11:19 AM
guess you’re still looking for a date on this blog.. Alex is almost half-way there..
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December 25, 2012 at 11:24 AM
ROFL. Superb comment Satyam
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December 25, 2012 at 12:38 PM
For Bored, again:
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December 25, 2012 at 9:58 AM
on the two ‘blue-eyed boys’ of this blog–aamir and abhishrek —cant resist adding…
The only and true blue eyed boy of satyam is abhishrek!
aamir is more of a front/ a trojan to deal /cope with some others who unfortunately abhishrek could never stand upto
🙂
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December 25, 2012 at 10:25 AM
YRF could have planned this bizzare way of logo-intro in 6 parts:
D
H
O
O
M
3
ha! what a terrible way to tell people abt a film which would not need a day’s publicity in reality.
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December 25, 2012 at 11:30 AM
Don’t think YRF would over publicize this, I would be surprised if they did. The promotion would be like any other film of theirs with all the first look posters, teaser and theatrical trailer etc.
This is just to announce a release date as there has been a lot of confusion regarding it.
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December 25, 2012 at 11:31 AM
agreed.. their publicity for the big ventures is usually minimal.
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December 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Haha! Great Comment Raju, and I agree that this video is bizarre and unnecessary.
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February 7, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Satyam:
can u update with dhoom 3 pic?
http://entertainment.oneindia.in/bollywood/features/2013/rare-unseen-pictures-aamir-khan-katrina-kaif-103309.html#slide70273
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February 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM
there is no D3 image here barring I guess one from the shoot?
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February 7, 2013 at 9:57 PM
http://entertainment.oneindia.in/bollywood/features/2013/rare-unseen-pictures-aamir-khan-katrina-kaif-103309.html#slide70263
aamir-kat look really good in this pic. They shd really make a film on that
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February 8, 2013 at 9:58 AM
This is an interesting story, Saw this on couple of different sites.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/ENT-aamir-khan-may-put-end-to-dhoom-franchise–4173682-NOR.html
‘Dhoom 3’ might me the last of the Dhoom franchise courtesy Aamir Khan.
As per speculations, Aamir who dislikes to be replaced especially in sequels, as he believes that his character should be immortalized and not replicated, has allegedly entered into a contract with the producers of the film.
The contract mentions that after ‘Dhoom 3’ there shall not be any further franchise of the most talked speedster film.
Taking the speculation ahead, if the producers wish to go ahead with the franchise then Aamir shall be not replaced and would continue as one of the leading star cast like the constant characters of the film, Abhishek Bachchan as Jay Dixit and Uday Chopra as Ali mechanic.
“If this happens, there is no scope for the franchise to grow since Dhoom is known for its adventurous stories with the negative characters playing the surprise element,” adds a film critic who wished not to named.
Meanwhile, YRF spokesperson stated the story as baseless “There is absolutely no truth in any part of this query,” spokesperson concluded.
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March 12, 2013 at 3:18 PM
in Locarno:
http://twitpic.com/car7gv
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April 7, 2013 at 5:34 PM
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June 19, 2013 at 12:24 AM
http://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/2013/jun/190613-aamir-khan-to-miss-his-christmas-date-for-dhoom-3.htm
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June 19, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Out of his four last releases, three of Aamir Khan’s films have released on Christmas. But, if rumours are to believed, his upcoming film Dhoom 3, which was also set to hit the marquee on Christmas this year, has apparently been pushed forward. The Aamir Khan-Katrina Kaif starrer is said to now release on December 17 instead.
According to the trade, the change of date is to capitalise on the Christmas vacations, with no other major film releasing during the period.
A source from the production house says, “The makers are still in two minds about deciding the exact date. The banner is also considering December 20 for the film’s release.”
The spokesperson from YRF remained unavailable for comment.
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August 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM
S…U…P…E…R
1st weekend = 150 cr
1st week = 210 cr
Lifetime = still counting 🙂
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August 14, 2013 at 11:38 AM
If it is releasing on 25th Dec then it has two weekdays on 26th and 27th to reckon with. Even otherwise I think CE pretty much maxed the screen count and the 3 day – 100 cr collection is pretty much what one can match. Maybe 110 crs but you need the second and third day to be holidays. With a 25th Dec release date, D3 can just break the opening day record but the 3 day total will be within 100 surely. If anything K3 has a better chance at the 3 day record as it has 3 open days of Diwali and it is smartly releasing after the Pooja day. So K3 – 3day will be greater than D3 3 day if D3 is releasing on Christmas. In the Long run both can go past 3I assuming CE doesnt break that.
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August 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM
CE had an unparalleled release date with friday being a holiday and saturday being day after Eid and then Sunday. You need similar kind of release date for the 3 day record to be broken. Whether D3 releases on 20th or 25th , you cannot match the CE release date, hence breaking the 3 day record is very difficult IMO
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August 15, 2013 at 11:42 AM
Xmas has a long vacation in most schools…..
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August 14, 2013 at 10:02 AM
There is once again a ‘biggest-film-around’ vibe to this latest one in the series. And one can hardly disagree. It’s the sort of film that’s really beyond trailers and posters in the sense that you don’t really have to produce great stuff on either score to get this the biggest initial around. Of course the quality of the film does matter for the final number. Which is not to say I don’t expect an effective trailer or good posters here. Do think however that this preliminary one isn’t very flattering to Aamir. Not that he’s doing anything wrong but this sort of ‘physique’ shot works less easily with him. The way it might have with Hrithik or someone else in that gym body mould. Not that it matters in terms of raising audience interest. And in any case the real message here is ‘Aamir in Dhoom, ‘Nuff said’!
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August 14, 2013 at 10:07 AM
Yeah Aamir’s really not a good fit for that kind of still. Like his “Heisenberg” hat though!
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August 14, 2013 at 10:30 AM
agreed, the hat works!
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August 14, 2013 at 12:08 PM
But nothing other than the hat works, at least for me. This is just silly… but then again, given this is a follow up to the wannabe as can be Dhoom 2, can’t say I’m surprised.
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August 14, 2013 at 12:52 PM
This is same as the TDK poster where Bale has been replaced by a bare backed Aamir and Gotham replaced by Chicago. Good copy paste job done. 🙂
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August 14, 2013 at 1:17 PM
If Ghajini worked, this will too. In any case, much of what Bwood offers in this genre (as well as superhero genre) is copy-pasted from hwood. The aam junta doesn’t seem to mind.
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August 14, 2013 at 3:15 PM
I wish they had set it in a major Indian city. Would have gone well with the times (a return to India moment in many ways) but also would have made for a better film. Yes it’s a Hollywood-inspired genre but it doesn’t have to be set in Chicago or a city outside India. But once again it’s the colonization discourse at work here. It’s not enough to emulate the genre, the ‘Indian’ must be seen as comfortably occupying Hollywood space.
It might seem to be the sort of plastic genre where the city doesn’t make a difference and so on. This is true upto a point. Because when a film is set on more local terrain there are automatically more immediate physical and cultural cues that anchor the subject. Actually after D2 it would have been fun to go more in the other director and do a much more rooted Dhoom. But even if not a big less visited Indian city would have been great. When you do it on South Africa or Chicago it’s automatically the tourist view of these places. The film then becomes about a city onto which the subject is simply grafted on rather than being connected to it in a more organic sense.
Now it might seem that the audience doesn’t care about all this but I disagree. They might not be able to ‘theorize’ about this stuff but this is where a film can be more or less liked. for instance even though D2 did very well I thought then and I do now that it could have been the first film to touch 100 crores. In 2006. But they went in for the low-hanging fruit, the script was pedestrian, the face-off wasn’t really there, it was still enjoyable fare but it could have been more. With Aamir on board I certainly expect the best script of the franchise so far.
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August 14, 2013 at 10:54 AM
The tagline is catchy. It’s the biggest film around for sure, will be proven when it opens. Besharam and K3 follow.
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August 14, 2013 at 11:04 AM
would be surprised if Besharam matched K3.
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August 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM
I would be too however Ranbir is on a roll so has a shot for sure. K3 and D3 would be the big bets now to be biggest grossers of year.
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August 14, 2013 at 11:30 AM
satyam – aamir plays a gymnast “baddy” in the film so it works!
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August 14, 2013 at 1:19 PM
Both Krrish 3 and Dhoom 3 will open big.
But i would still bet on D3 for opening bigger. Aamir’s presence, plus aamir in a negative role for rhe first time ( am ignoring the ice – candy act in earth ). Add to it the Dhoom Franchise.
This one should open huge. It should definitely have the biggest day. I’m fairly sure that it can touch 37.5 easily ( on 98-100 % occupancy ). If this movie cannot get a 100 % opening , none can.
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August 14, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Chennai Express smashed the Overseas opening weekend by nearly $2 million. The top Overseas opening weekends are as follows. All collections are for the first three full days.
1. Chennai Express – $7,100,000
2. My Name Is Khan – $5,300,000
3. Don 2 -$5,100,000
4. Ra.One – $4,900,000
5. Talaash – £4,800,000
6. Jab Tak Hai Jaan – $4,600,000
7. Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna – $4,400,000
8. Om Shanti Om – $4,300,000
9. 3 Idiots -$4,000,000
10. Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani – $3,900,000
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August 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM
If talaash could open this big in overseas. There is no reason why Dhoom 3 should not open real huge. Should open atleast as big as Chennai Express.
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August 14, 2013 at 3:07 PM
think D3 will have the biggest opening ever by a margin. The rest is of course about the film. But again it should also be beating the 200 crore number by a very wide margin. Actually looking at the history of the franchise as well as what other films have been doing it recent times it really shouldn’t do less than 300. But again all of that depends not just on the quality of the film but the kind of product it is.
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August 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM
there is a very funny article in a gujarati daily that most of the audience feels cheated after watching CE and they reacted by saying that they’d better watched POGO on TV 🙂
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August 14, 2013 at 7:38 PM
Haha so Aamirs trying to do a HR here lol
But agree with Satyam –that for dhoom3, the first look etc doesn’t matter.
D3 should easily out score every film including krish3
But that’s not due to the man to man comparison
But bcos
D3 has too many other goodies & gimmicks
Katrina
Sidekicks abhishrek & uday
The ‘cool’ franchise
The hangover equity from Hritiks own defintive take in D2
In other words, Aamirs contribution to d3 success should be even less than his contribution to 3i (though aamir would have definitely made the script better and more water tight in d3!)
As for krish3—it’s just a one-man show (the goodies/gimmicks arent there other than the superhero angle that in itself isn’t exactly safe in Bollywood!!
Ps: so Satyam– how much will ya give d3 & krish3 first weekend and lifetime …
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August 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM
it would be disappointing if both films did not exceeds 200 crores by significant margins. I would expect each film to repeat its previous performance. All else being equal D3 should easily have the biggest initial and final gross. But beyond this it of course depends on the film. However there would be no excuse for either film not crossing 200. If YJHD can do 185 or so largely on the strength of multiplexes a Krrish 3 or a D3 with universal appeal should do way more than this in every sense.
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August 15, 2013 at 11:46 AM
in D3 – we can expect some gripping story also apart from super-action as aamir must have worked on the script – so it might turn out to be a repeat watch
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August 15, 2013 at 12:04 PM
I will go opposite to what Satyam says here. K3 will have the bigger 3 day initial than D3 purely because of the release date. Long term i agree both has the potential to go over 200. D3 ofcourse is the bigger film here in terms of pure hype but with rakesh roshan at the helm i expect K3 to be more single screen friendly.
Interestingly no one is talking about the budget of these films. Both should have 100+ cr budget and would be sold for around 200 crs. YRF may distribute D3 themselves in some areas so D3 may have lesser distribution costs. Having said that i am not even sure if 200 crs is good enough for these movies to get into the profits. But no one cares about that, definitely not the likes of Taran or BOI for that matter. Or else Dabang 2 which was sold for 180 crs and made 150 crs would never have been called a superhit!!. And less said about Ra-1 the better.
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August 15, 2013 at 12:06 PM
agreed on your second paragraph..
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August 14, 2013 at 8:11 PM
The-laash over correction!
Ok and something I’ve been meanin to say for a while—
Get aamir and hritik together face to face in any bloody script in dhoom setup
Hritik will rape aamir !!!! Day n nite
BUT I Always felt dhoom2 was one film where abhishrek was unfairly maligned by public and blogs!!!
ANYBODY in place of abhishrek would’ve been overshadowed by HR in dhoom2
Aamir is shrewdly benefitting fro the dhoom1 & 2 momentum which has a lot of contribution from HR & even abhishrek
Aamir however is lucky and safe here (like in 3i)
The roles won’t be fair (forget equal)
But in a DHOOM setup
Give them equalish roles
And I won’t even rule out abhishrek giving aamir a run for his money!!
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August 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM
disagree actually.. in a fair face-off he wouldn’t have overshadowed Abhishek..in the earlier MPKDH though the film didn’t work most preferred Abhishek even though he had a supporting role. The thing is when you do these face-offs you have to play to the strengths of each star. Hrithik got his stuff, Abhishek didn’t. But in scenes where he had the chance he was very effective. For instance in the climactic fight where he jumps without a parachute and so on. Hrithik has certain strengths as a star which come out well in certain genres. So Dhoom plays more to his strengths than Aamir’s. Actually even Abhishek is fine in the genre. No one had a problem with him in the first Dhoom. Because he has a certain physicality that in a more restrained way works well against the villain’s flamboyance. But it still has to be given enough space. So while I agree this isn’t Aamir’s genre he has vastly more credibility as an actor and so can bring some other resources to the table. In the same way he wouldn’t have seemed ideal for the Ghajini part but he did very well here.
On D3 here’s the thing. I am quite confident there won’t be a repeat of D2 for Abhishek here. But the media narrative completely favors Aamir. And for obvious reasons. Also this isn’t the Bol Bachchan deal. It’s harder to get the better of a villain who has the cool stunt moments, the big actress and so on. They would have to give Abhishek’s character some real space for parity to be possible. In BB he had the obvious attention-attracting moments with the double and so on. On that note if he does Happy New Year I am very confident he’d get the better of SRK, specially since this doesn’t look to be the usual kind of role for SRK (according to Farah Khan). Plus there’s a rumor that Abhishek might have another double here. But with D3 Aamir is a much much bigger star at the moment and there’s not much Abhishek can do about the narrative.
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August 14, 2013 at 9:31 PM
to add to this the dark brooding type often gets the better of the cheerful, happy guy in this sort of face-off. But again things have to be kept fair. I always thought that the first Dhoom was the better film because it had the right balance. D2 could have made a 100 in 2006 had it been a better script. With Aamir around though I expect the best film of the franchise and I’m also interested in seeing how they deal with the face-off with two ‘cerebral’ types.
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August 14, 2013 at 9:38 PM
and here’s another mental experiment on that score. Consider how it would be if in Yuva Hrithik did Vivek’s role (Ratnam apparently wanted him once)..!
The thing is that when you have plastic genres it favors a certain kind of star. But for the more serious star-actor you need a better set-up. Because if it’s about the plastic the relatively superficial actor/star benefits. When it’s about the authentic that’s where the men can be separated from the boys. Could you imagine Hrithik doing a Guru?!
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August 15, 2013 at 12:17 PM
Why do you respond to this peurile comments meantto provoke your attention, Satyam?
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August 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM
an old weakness of mine as you know..! Should exert better self-discipline!
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August 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Agreed Rajen, Satyam sir should not entertain such things. But to be honest, This fact needs to known and understood by one and all, before throwing rocks at Jr. And who better than Satyam sir to analyse and bring fore the right answer/balance to it.
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August 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM
agree with bachchan1 to 10.
It is such a pleasure to read Satyam’s viewpoint. Nowadays we rarely get this opportunity. If there are no counter argument, there is no mazaa.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:26 PM
thanks Sanjana..
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August 15, 2013 at 11:48 AM
“With Aamir around though I expect the best film of the franchise and I’m also interested in seeing how they deal with the face-off with two ‘cerebral’ types.”
me too.
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August 15, 2013 at 11:51 AM
i think abhi will benefit tremendously from D3 because aamir never over-shadows the co-stars and opts for an overall good product. So Abhi is quite likely to deliver a competent performance here.
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August 15, 2013 at 12:00 PM
yes that’s quite true. Aamir for instance would never do a D2. He would of course know how it could benefit him but he’s much more interested in the larger integrity of the script. We saw this in RDB for example where he wasn’t interested in dominating the film in the usual ways. In fact a Hindi star in Siddharth’s role quite easily have stolen the film from him (this role was once offered to Abhishek incidentally as was Aamir’s own part!). But beyond this I think the reason this works for Abhishek is that Aamir isn’t on home terrain with this genre the way say Hrithik was and many contemporary stars could be. So for him too this is something different because he’s actually never done this sort of thing before. Nonetheless if the D2 model is maintained where the villain has the cool stuff and of course the big actress it’s hard to equalize this on the other side unless you either have the star looking physically dominant (which is certainly possible) and/or more importantly if there is an authentic face-off. The last bit is really the crucial point here with respect to the overall film. Aamir has praised the script, the director also seems to be one of those with Bachchan on the mind (Bachchan Pandey in Tashan) so once again I am expecting something interesting here vis-a-vis Abhishek but also in terms of the film. At least my own standard is this — if this isn’t the best film of the franchise and if Abhishek-Aamir don’t have scenes that count here I’d consider the film a write-off irrespective of what else happened, who got the credit and how it did.
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August 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM
someone wrote abt HR and Aamir in one frame and HR dominating – unfortunately this might be true purely from physical aspect maybe – even Abhi has towering personality but can’t blame aamir for that! He has a real disadvantage of smaller height but still he hasn’t managed that not hinder his stupendous track-record
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August 15, 2013 at 2:26 PM
The height only matters relative to one’s overall physicality. Kawaljeet once upon a time was a very tall guy who didn’t get anywhere. Similarly while Aamir, Salman, SRK have all been on the shorter side among the three SRK has more of a screen presence even though the other two are better looking and in a textbook sense Aamir is probably the best of the three. So it all depends. Similarly the height issue became very relevant in the age of masala cinema when you had epic registers and therefore ‘epic’ heroes. In this context having a certain kind of physicality became much more important. Actually the fact that Salman does this masala stuff or even Aamir has done something like Ghajini would have been considered hilarious once upon a time. Trends change even in this sense. But greater or lesser height is not an absolute good or bad. Admittedly Aamir is shorter relative to the standards of any age but still this is not the end of the discussion as his career shows.
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August 15, 2013 at 1:27 PM
If height and physicality matters, they would have taken Hrithik once again. Or akshay Kumar.
When Farhan was doing BMB, no one imagined that he could get away doing that.
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August 15, 2013 at 3:28 PM
To add to Satyam sir’s point, and give an example. He did not do Darr only for that reason as he felt that the final showdown between him and sunny D’s character was not balanced enough and wanted some changes in the script where Sunny D (the good guy) would have an upper hand at it.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM
At the risk of Rajen running after me with maa-behen gaalis, I think, Abhi royally sucks in the Dhoom series. He is totally without any specific characteristics. Here was a master opportunity for him to develop a strong character but he does nothing–simply NOTHING. And it is not Marlon Brando nothing. When Marlon does ‘nothing’ he is going something but Abhi…arghhh…I wish someone molds him properly. Each time you mention that Abhi was offered RDB, I cringe. How dumb do you have to be to reject such a role!!! But again had he starred in it, the movie would have sucks.
Ab mujhey koi Rajen ki gaali kay shower say bachaooooooo.
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August 15, 2013 at 5:02 PM
:-), no gaalis,Di! Only jaadu ki jhappi!
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August 15, 2013 at 2:59 AM
This poster looks as Charlie Chaplian has buils his muscles by steroids.Never expected such kind of cheapness from Amir.
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August 15, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Very cheap indeed!
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August 15, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Aamir has worked hard to achieve this body — don’t take credit away from him. He did it for Ghajini, he has done it for this film; in between he had to lose it all for 3 Idiots where he worked hard to create a youngster’s muscle-less body. He pumped iron and dieted for Ghajini; for 3 idiots he had to shed the muscles; but he played badminton to get a lean look without the muscle; for Dhoom 3, Aamir is said to have been under the guidance of his Dr. Dhurandhar, eaten small meals, achieved an ideal weight of 65-68 kg, with less than 10% body-fat. He plays a gymnast-circus artiste sort of character, so his small frame is probably ideal for the role– a 6′ muscled Hritik or John Abraham could not achieve the desired look.
Aamir is sincere, not cheap.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:05 PM
I was being sarcastic to Michael Dsouza LS. People are just jealous of Aamir getting Dhoom 3.
Nice to see you after a very long time.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Heh, heh! I did wonder whether you were being sarcastic.
Yes, long time. Was busy with family, trips, the usual trivia of daily life.
Aamir is taking a bit of risk with this film, treading alien territory, so to say. Hi net-critics are already sniggering about ‘hobbit in a hat’ and such stuff. I just hope his risk pays off. But Aamir’s risks are usually calculated ones — and he ensures that the film ultimately wins along with its team
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August 15, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Not sure if the ‘critics’ are sneering. These types simply follow the box office and Aamir is unimpeachable on these grounds. What does happen is that fans of other stars start attacking him for purely partisan reasons. I personally don’t think this shot works with him. Even though he’s worked on his body once again his overall body structure doesn’t reward this kind of shot (hrithik would be fine here or even a certain other kind of body, not necessarily a gym one, might be fine too). This doesn’t mean he won’t be very good at his role here. But yes it is a challenging part for him oddly enough because he’s never had the ‘lightness’ as a star-actor to pull off the flamboyant parts. With the exception of Fanaa where in the first half he did the flamboyant part very well. The trick on this sort of terrain is for the good actor to pull back a bit. This is hard to do. The superficial actor just does his (or her) thing and that’s enough. The deeper actor however has to get aligned with the pitch of the film without emptying out his greater acting resources. Because then the performance doesn’t work at all. But there is certainly a ‘newness’ here that Aamir almost uniquely brings to the franchise. Because everyone else has either been part of it before and/or has done similar things elsewhere. Aamir hasn’t. Which makes it interesting and ‘risky’ at the same time. Having said that this is a more academic argument in some ways. Because the reviewers are not likely to care nor those who judge purely by the box office. It does make a difference to the audience but this ‘reception’ almost never becomes a part of the narrative in India. In other words if the film works in a big way people assume the audience liked everything and so on.
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August 15, 2013 at 3:02 PM
I am seriously skeptical on how much acting chops both Aamir and AB will get to display in this one. I think the tone of the movie will be similar to Dhoom 2 where the antagonist is not out and out evil but more someone who is bad but with a golden heart or something of that kinds. He will sing songs, romance Katrina Kaif (we are forgetting her here) and will get a chance to display his skill in parkour. I think parkour will be the key focus here as that whole gymnast body was built for Aamir to do that convincingly or atleast part of it (am sure there will be a body double as you cannot become a Jackie Chan by training in 1 year) and Indian audiences are not exposed to those kind of acrobats. Uday Chopra will get to play the funny guy again and will have screen time too like the first two parts.
In all this even if there are confrontational scenes between AB and AK the tone will be light. Hand to Hand combat can be ruled out between the two as AK will not stand a chance (on screen due to their heights) in fight scenes against AB Jr as AB Jr is naturally better at that. I think they will retain the essence of Dhoom which is basically to keep the fun factor and not make a gritty kind of movie.
BTW Aamir also played a flamboyant character with gusto in Rangeela
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August 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/WebWise/entry/in-defence-of-twitter-s-troll-policy
Very interesting facts about trolls though we all know about them.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:24 PM
Just checked the article. Looks interesting. ok, Logging off. G’night all, including apex/aa.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:25 PM
Did you watch Ship of Theseus? It has received rave reviews.
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August 15, 2013 at 2:26 PM
lol…his backside is girlie..like Rajesh Khanna. A little too big. Even in the poster you can see that. One can do only so much against nature 😦
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August 15, 2013 at 2:10 PM
Just saw this long discussion–been v busy ..will reply shortly
“Aamir has worked hard to achieve this body”—
Whose body has aamir achieved with so much hard work & what’s her name? 🙂
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August 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Just saw that the krish3 & dhoom3 diverted into an abhishrek vs the rest debate above…
C’mon folks—one can compare ‘like for like’—
Personal tastes are a different issue–have NOTHING against abhishrek infact feel for his ‘underperformance’.
One CAN compare HR, SRK, SK, Aamir on different parameters and its reasonable for fans to get carried away.
But the FACT is that as much as even I WANT abhishrek to be amongst the names above, he simply isn’t!!!
Aamir has different standards and I gauge him on THOSE STRINGENT criteria and mention the ‘hidden/overlooked points’ like his deliberate infrequent release rate etc.
But that doesn’t take away from Aamirs proven track record.
BUT
As for abhishrek–he is simply not in the top bunch.
To be honest abhishrek is a good actor but he’s not great shakes even in the acting deptt either imo
I don’t share the view that he is an acting thespian!
There’s this discourse being encouraged that HR is the body and abhishrek is some acting powerhouse!! Don’t agree.
Even in acting deptt, won’t say either of them is superior to the other though they are ‘different’ actors.
Abhishreks problems are that his areas of strength would have fit the person specification of a hero from two decades ago.
In the current climate, he just doesn’t have the all round ability—and we have seen enough of him to say this now
Also for star appeal, box office and even range & suitability to the current Bollywood requirements, abhi simply falls short
Well, this maybe uncomfortable to hear but it’s a fact
It’s proven by his track record and box office imo
Would add though, that now in the given circumstance abhi has done well to sign what an be technically called as ‘second lead’ roles (though Satyam may argue lol) insrk-farahs film or dhoom3 –but the fact is that in the given scenario, he needs to be seen in successful films, stay in circulation and then slowly branch out into lead roles and even production…
Infactots ironical that abhishrek shoudl follow the ‘John Abraham model’–I know this all may sound painful to his fan,but there’s nothing wrong in reality check –I wish him all the best
The PROBLEM starts when fans get so carried away by their fandom that it all becomes about BLACK OR WHITE…
One can be a fan and still be CRITICAL of certain aspects of your ‘idol’–the perspective and issue matters. 🙂
Ps: I enjoy pressing Satyams buttons haha
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August 15, 2013 at 2:41 PM
this time I will exert some discipline! Will just add this, strangely your rules go out the window when Ranbir gets great box office success, is heralded by everyone, or is celebrated as a huge acting talent and so on. Then suddenly you allow yourself room to call this reception exaggerated or whatever!
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August 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM
actually someone else picked up on this but I sometimes extend the debate for a more ‘general’ audience as well! We don’t want the wrong ideas to influence people!
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August 15, 2013 at 2:35 PM
Better than some monkeys masquerading as actors.
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August 15, 2013 at 3:15 PM
lol. Abhi is good looking guy with great physique…he just needs a right director to mold him. Has he worked with SLB yet? He needs to let go and his acting genes will take over. I think he holds himself back a bit too much…he is kinda shy and should take some sky diving or something to loosen up in front of camera. For instance he is perfect in interviews. But then in movies he gets ‘constipated’ bit on his face. 😦
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August 15, 2013 at 3:23 PM
“For instance he is perfect in interviews. then in movies he gets ‘constipated’ bit on his face. “– agree Di
Abhishrek is quite good in some live events–also good humour bit infront of the camera –he has got entangled in a loop.
Also the other day, I saw a rap song of his–why the hell did he stop doing that !!– thought he does it well and could have expanded that capability
He should have gone for a bipronged vibe—an urbane one like saif does and think he was quite good in dostana…
And a total masala one with unabashed box office returns on mind (like srk does!)
The ‘prestige’ film hovers around u once u have the basics (& box office) in grasp ….
Plus for gods sake abhishrek —get a proper wardrobe and if his dress sense isn’t naturally good, get a good designer
And fire the worst ones he has been employing for ages-abu Sandeep
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August 15, 2013 at 3:09 PM
I don’t remember calling the reception to ranbir ‘exaggerated’.
I think more or less ranbir deserves what he is getting …..
Perhaps sanjana has been going after ranbir lol
“We don’t want the wrong ideas to influence people!”
—hahaha satyam–let’s continue ‘influencing’ innocent people ( in the garb of this ‘debate’!)
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August 15, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Free advice / Prescription for abhishrek
Basically at this late stage, it’s difficult but still abhishrek needs o change his advisors from Satyam to me lol.
He has done the right thing to do dhoom3—let people bark–he will get a big success to his name
And same for srk-farah film
Do NOT sign any other film –work on your physique and styling.
Heck even Farhan could achieve that in milkha!
Keep your diary free…
After dhoom3 , things should go only up (from where he is currently)& then sign some lead hero films
Concentrating on only one thing for the next year or two—
Box office!!!
Ps: for two or three yesrs–stay away from the word ‘prestige’ and from people like mani ratnam, gowarikar, even Mehra…
Don’t give these your dates diary
Give them only ‘respect’! 🙂
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August 15, 2013 at 3:40 PM
Nah Alex, I’d rather him do a Raavan or D6 over 10 Dhooms. Or even a Sippy film any day.
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August 15, 2013 at 3:46 PM
That’s not a bad idea–atleast it will satisfy Satyams fetishes(though may leave abhishrek with no films as lead!)
Poor abhishreks career shouldn’t have to pay the price for Satyams fetishes 🙂
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August 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM
But see Alex, As a fan I am happy with what he has done so far (barring some earlier ones). I honestly don’t think he is gonna go anywhere from here. He will keep getting movies and will do movies that he WANTS to do, He is not your Kumar Gaurav, Yeah past couple of years he had a low profile but honestly he is just doing this Dhoom, Dostana etc for the sake of BO for now. Given that he is doing multistarrers, Which is fine, and as far as I can tell , barring Dhoom (for obvious reasons) he has overshadowed everyone in multistarrrers. So when you say that he shouldn’t do them, I don’t buy that.
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August 18, 2013 at 10:59 AM
ab has proven him with films like guru, dmd, sarkar, yuva, sarkar raj, dostana, bnb, bluffmaster etc. right now, he needs big bo success, but any day I prefer him more in mani ratnam kind of cinema, actually I am eagerly awaiting such type of film from him.
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August 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM
agree… there is a kind of cinema that can be accepted as a compromise when an actor needs box office success.. as long as of course this eventually leads to more meaningful cinema once again. Otherwise the dustbins of cinematic history are full of actors (and fans!) who thought the present was everything! We don’t exactly care today about Stallone’s Cobra! Most of SRK’s iconic cinema seems completely passé. What survives over time is that which can have a shelf life. Or at least the great classic. The films that are often celebrated today are neither. Not every important or significant film acquires an audience. This is true in any art form. Some worthwhile works always remain relatively obscure with only minorities willing to seek them out. The iconic or the popular can never be confused with the worthwhile. But in any case only films that can be retrieved by later generations and are not simply those that become stale two weeks after release have a chance at real reinvention. Which is not to say that I have anything against a film that is hugely enjoyable but that will not really stand the test of time. I am a massive consumer of ‘guilty pleasures’. However the problem with a lot of contemporary Bollywood is that it isn’t particularly enjoyable either. And then you have this crazy dominant discourse on the other side which pretends it’s only about 100 crores or 200 crores or whatever. In fairness this discourse does not really represent audience tastes. Because while people might show up for certain kinds of films and while I too have criticized the current audience more than anyone else what gets missed in the media narratives is that people show up for films for all kinds of reasons. And just because a film makes huge amounts of money doesn’t mean that the audience also has the greatest respect for those films and actors. I might show up dozens of Hollywood blockbusters without considering any of them very good or having any great admiration for the actors associated with them. Specially in an age where the industry is becoming increasingly Hollywoodized the package becomes that much more important. Getting back to Abhishek it’s easy to see a path where he appears in some big grossing films, the media narrative might remain negative but he gets his due attention from the audience, there might even be more moments like BB where he’s seen as being the more dominant actor in the film, then he has a film like Mere Apne or whatever which is somewhat more meaningful but still relatively safe and by this point he’s brought back his box office credibility and gets a big initial or whatever, so on and so forth. If this is the limit of what he’s doing then no matter what his skill set might be he’s in a way reducing himself to the level of most of his peers. However if he uses this as a springboard to move onto to truly interesting things again (albeit doing a better mix even at that point in terms of balancing out the Dostana kind of venture with a Ratnam or whatever) all of this will be an acceptable compromise. Speaking for myself and I suspect many true Abhishek fans I’ve never been in the game of just wishing success for him at whatever cost. Because if he were to follow some of those other career paths we’d lose the actor we like and respect in some of the films you’ve mentioned. And since I’ve always been devoted to the actor inasmuch as he’s represented a certain kind of performance or choice of roles and not simply one who’s successful or not in purely commercial terms I can only celebrate choices that read Ratnam or Mehra or Sippy and some others and potentially interesting projects even if with lesser directors. And this is what people miss in a lot of these ‘debates’. Most fans are really about their star getting successful doing ‘whatever’. That’s never constituted my interest in Abhishek, it’s never even constituted my interest in his father! As for those who present counter-arguments they reveal nothing more than either their own dismal lack of taste or their completely ignorance of history in these matters. Now it might be that some of these commercial films Abhishek is doing turn out to be better than expected for the terrain. I certainly expect this from D3. Thought BB was more than decent given the director (though with that suggestive setup a lot more could have been achieved). And so on. But even in the best case scenarios these are works that I’d go crazy over. Similarly I’d still make other choices for the purely commercial if I were in Abhishek’s shoes. I’d look South in a variety of ways. I think even for the purely commercial better choices can be made. But that’s a different debate. Part of the issue here is that a certain tension perhaps remains unresolved in Abhishek’s mind. he’s clearly not ‘with’ the contemporary multiplex program, ethically or aesthetically. but he also doesn’t seem as invested in masala as it exists today in its Telugu configuration. What he is unwilling to do (for whatever reason) is look at more meaningful Tamil variants whether in masala cinema or in their new wave attempts. And this is a great loss because he is ideally suited for those films. In fact this spectrum offers him everything from escapist cinema to even vastly better attempts at the kind of cinema that Umesh Shukla is probably capable of. So it’s unclear why he continues to be boxed into the Bollywood menu. But in any case there is this deeper tension. So neither with the multiplexes nor with the ‘new’ masala. To avoid both alternatives (and I can certainly sympathize with this position, even agree with it) one needs to have the Aamir kind of vision where you really go wherever you think that worthwhile cinema is and more importantly enable it one way or the other. But that’s a bigger project and requires a complete and ‘foundational’ rethinking in a variety of ways. Otherwise whether it’s D3 or Mehra, one is restricted to Bollywood options and the greater problem here if one is Abhishek might not be one option or the other but the frame itself. He really needs a Lagaan-like leap where he really invests himself in a truly different sort of project (not ‘like’ Lagaan but whatever it is that serves his ends) and then builds a very different trajectory from there. Ironically it is precisely because he’s a fine talent who can relatively effortlessly range across the board and be convincing in a Guru or a BM or a Dostana or a BB with equal ease that he always gets his options the moment he makes himself available for a certain kind of cinema (always assuming an essential box office viability). His problem has remained an uncertain box office. Otherwise the industry has always been willing to cast him in a vast variety of things. there are important Southern talents who’d love to work with him in the right film. He still has a lot to play with which is why some of these too obvious choices disappoint me. I understand the compromise but I don’t understand why better things can’t be attempted to achieve the same ends. Alright a D3 is a no-brainer perhaps. But a Farah Khan film, even if he has a double here as is rumored or even if he gets the better of SRK, isn’t necessarily so (and I’m not referring to a negative media narrative here). Similarly there is a risky which has a certain appeal even when it doesn’t work in box office terms and there is one that harms the star in a precise sense when it fails. One can separate one from the other. Ultimately these are things the star can only work out for himself. So there is a debate to be had about his choices one way or the other. Of course this is very different from the crass suggestions that are often made online about what he ought to do or not. Because the people making them wouldn’t be able to separate bubble gum from a fine Indian desert or on the other hand would praise bubble gum more for greater sales across the board! Such opinions can safely be dismissed, one should in fact only read them if one can withstand the assault to one’s better taste!
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August 20, 2013 at 3:27 PM
Again, Nice analysis overall. However, I am a bit confused over at first you suggest that you prefer him doing meaningful cinema with Ratnam, Mehra etc, then you suggest that he is suited for the masala cinema from the south and he should invest his energy in few of those. And then you go on to say that you are least interested in his success at any cost, But you suggest to go look towards south cinema masala format? Isn’t that going the route of low brow masala format? I am a bit confused?
Having said that, As a fan I do want him to succeed not at any cost but when any Tom, Dick and Harry is piling on crores over some pathetic cinema, why shouldn’t jr do the same? Agreed he shouldn’t do it at any cost, upto D3 and D2 are fine, But i dont think he should go the Akshay Kumar way (in the likes of Khiladi 786 and now Boss)??
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August 20, 2013 at 9:56 PM
My point is a)he should continue the meaningful stuff as and when he gets the opportunity but balance it out with safer stuff in a more strategic way b)if he is doing box office just for the numbers one or two obvious films like Dhoom might be ok but he could rely on a more meaningful masala from the South (specifically Tamil cinema) or a middle cinema from the same that would give him a particular signature but also be much more suited for his physicality and so forth. In other words the choice isn’t Salman’s Telugu masala or nothing. There are other avenues. Which doesn’t mean he can’t do Bombay based escapist cinema at all. Just that those films will never play to his strengths in the same way.
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August 21, 2013 at 12:45 PM
Cool, Thanks for the Clarity, and Happy Belated to you.
Now where does the remake bandwagon come into picture for Jr? (Hindi ones). Don’t you think he should at least take one of them up? (speaking of bachcan’s remakes). There were rumors about Abhimaan, Do aur Do Paanch and even MKS (with saif) remake with him being in the lead ? If others are piggy backing on Bachchan’s remakes, why shouldn’t he do it too? He is always compared to his father from the day he started, It will be nothing new (even though his style is completely different from his fathers and choices). An apple will always be compared to an apple, even if it falls from another tree.
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August 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM
I personally wouldn’t want him to touch a single Bachchan remake for the simple reason that on the very important films there’s nothing anyone can possibly ‘add’ in any sense. Sure there can always be intelligent films that rework the terrain without literally remaking stuff. But Ratnam has already done some of this. Or Rohan Sippy has in his own way. Either way there aren’t enough people in Bombay intelligent enough or thoughtful enough to do this. If on the other hand you remake the lesser films that’s alright in one sense but still pointless because for a script of that level you don’t need to ‘remake’. You can do original scripts! So then it becomes about just using the cache of the original to get an initial. I can personally never endorse that sort of move. By the way (and though this kind of film wouldn’t work today) I would love a Ganga Ki Saugandh kind of film married to Maoist politics! Would be truly subversive. But no one would see it!
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August 21, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Fair enough on Bachchan’s remake. However, there are other films that he can remake as well. Such as, Saagar (ofcourse the Haasan role here). I really think Sippy should consider this one. It would certainly work for today’s time. Also, always felt Khudgarz is one movie where Roshan and Jr can be pitted against each other and instead of him playing a character from UP he should do a southern act (unlike sinha – Originally it was Kamal Haasan to play Sinha’s role with his Tamil Background against Rishi Kapoor). And I know I will get some gaalis for this but I definitely think AAA can be remade with all the respective Kins of the main characters. Just too tough to get a Pran or Jeevan from today.
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August 15, 2013 at 4:00 PM
“As a fan I am happy with what he has done so far “—as a fan, one is entitled to be happy with the idol even ‘existing’ lol but
Abhishreks life and career will need many more dedicated fans like u and Satyam…
And for that he needs much more box office & success
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August 15, 2013 at 4:23 PM
Haha, But let’s get one thing straight here, I certainly don’t idolize any of these actors or stars.(maybe Bachchan Sr to a certain extent, I get to learn a thing or two from his experiences that he posts on his blog and I do agree with his views most of the times) There are certainly many other personalities outside of this domain to look up to, Having said that I do like Jr for the actor that he is and the admire him for the choices that he has made as an actor and not have the herd mentality and build his torso and call it “Prepared for the role” crap. Imagine, Hanks suggesting that “oh I had to play football for Forrest Gump, So I had to look fit” lol.
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August 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM
ROY! : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/previews/first-look/Roy/articleshow/21526875.cms?
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August 20, 2013 at 9:58 PM
Idea:
http://www.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/dhoom-3-pics-aamir-katrina-shoot-in-chicago-96195.html
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September 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM
Idea:
2.5 months still – that is a long way……in any case even without this teaser and motion poster – D3 tempo wud be at peak so I hope they don’t dish out such stupid promos…..
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September 30, 2013 at 7:44 AM
Call it the ‘aamir effect’ : Aamirs already ‘taller’ than katrina (& even abhishrek!!) in the poster 🙂
Btw the ‘trying to be menacing /kool’ look on Aamirs face is interesting lol
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September 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM
I think D3’s major USP should be the tight script. Till they come out some meaningful promos towards Nov end – we will have to bear this cliche’ stuff i guess. Anyway Abhi’s no-nonsense look in goggles is cool here.
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September 30, 2013 at 9:26 AM
but aamir can throw a big surprise a la Ghajini – before that movie no one thought he could pull off that kind of roll so here a gymnast-villain – well – the curiosity factor is very high.
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September 30, 2013 at 9:28 AM
“USP should be the tight script”– yeah katrina should ensure a ‘tight script’ haha
Ok sorry folks-çouldnt resist that one 🙂
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September 30, 2013 at 9:31 AM
@ Satyam –suggest u feel free to delete that ‘tight script’ bit …
As u know, I’m not into ‘objectionable’ stuff lol
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September 30, 2013 at 12:46 PM
I have the feeling no matter how you dress up a horse it will always be a horse..only this one is a different color. Uday was never my idea of an actor. Although he spent alot of time in California for whatever reasons to see him back on the screen is like an alm. As for the rest of the equation I hope this one has a decent opening so it doesnt embarass anyone. Amir and Katrina do not make a movie..it may be Dhoomed. The action scenes..the ‘tight script’ have to will prop it up.
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September 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Hilarious comment maggie n agree
Lol @ ‘dhoomed’…
Don’t worry–this will have enuf ‘tight’ness for its target audience lol
Ps: lol @ Aamirs face here…
Ps2: congrats Satyam-finally bacchhan jr shows some spirit.. He’s easily the best thing in the short teaser here…
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September 30, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Agree and he doesn’t look fake.
Chopra should get it to where in dhoom 4 he turns as a main lead being the villan.
Actually, none of the main villain (if there is one) in Dhoom series are true villain. they just rob stuff.
they can easily write script when abhisekh charechter becomes the robber due to life events.
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September 30, 2013 at 1:08 PM
Thought the motion poster was terrible. The regular poster is better though that’s not saying much. Will wait for the first proper trailer to pass judgment on it because the first such D2 trailer was very effective. With Aamir on board I was hoping for something a bit better for the genre but at least on the advertising so far they’ve gone for the most stale approach. The posturing on the poster and so on. Even within this genre it’s hard to say that one couldn’t do something more imaginative. And if you’re taking Aamir and presenting him exactly as you would John or Hrithik there’s something absurd about this too. Not saying all of this matters at the box office but more imagination could certainly have helped! If they’re using the poorest advertising to suddenly spring the best film of the franchise on us they’re even sillier than I thought! Nonetheless will wait for the longer trailer. On Abhishek he looks fine here but he was fine on the D2 images as well (or for that matter the trailer). The way these things are done they have very little to do with the actual footage. And so far we don’t have images from the latter. In any case I’m less interested in this question and more in whether Abhishek and Aamir get some good screen time together and make at least a few scenes work for this kind of thing.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM
I didn’t expect much from this beyond, as you’ve suggested, a halfway decent script as a result of Aamir’s involvement, but these first glimpses have been pretty discouraging even by that standard.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:44 PM
“And if you’re taking Aamir and presenting him exactly as you would John or Hrithik there’s something absurd about this too.”
Couldn’t agree more.
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September 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM
One understands this is just a motion poster but does it have to be quite so poor?!
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September 30, 2013 at 9:58 PM
precisely Satyam. What on earth YRF guys are doing? Are they involving aamir here? Or have they taken things for granted? by all means – this looks like a C grade stuff. Better not to come out with anything till the movie releases.
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September 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM
Honestly there was no need for this when we already had one before this !
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September 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM
yeah this is overkill for sure. just release the first trailer and the rest will take care of its own.
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September 30, 2013 at 3:07 PM
They don’t need to do anything at all for this movie, it will become blockbuster anyway. I’m actaually surprised YRF is doing all this where they came with mothion poster, then teaser and now 2nd motion posted. Usually for big films, they don’t do much publicity.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM
The ‘special effects’ on the motion poster are hilariously poor; what on earth were those awkwardly flickering flames for?! I cannot believe that YRF released such an ameteurish poster for one of their biggest films; is the perfectionist involved in the marketing or not?!
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September 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM
They could have atleast spent an extra 5 seconds on photoshop to make the flames look the tiniest bit realistic!
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September 30, 2013 at 4:23 PM
LOL! plus there are those underwhelming bike sequences. The slowmo is sometimes so slow you could get a cup of coffee and come back without missing anything.
beyond this the posters are also almost identical from the previous parts. Ash and Katrina seem completely replaceable in terms of their styling and so on. I know this is a franchise but they’re not even putting in some minimal effort here. Think it would be a horrible mistake to simply upgrade the villain but make it business-as-usual otherwise.
Compared to these two big films the Bullet Raja trailer seemed even more fresh and engaging.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM
Given the audience we might be the bigger fools for objecting! What’s odd about this though is that if you operate with the assumption (as I certainly do) that everyone with a pulse will show up for D3 well you don’t then need this amateur hour (as you’ve put it)! On the other hand if the advertising nonetheless matters why not start with some real stuff?! Just doesn’t make any sense either way. It’s one thing to have subpar posters and quite another to have poor motion posters/teasers. And here Bollywood departs from Hollywood even in this regard. When a movie like the Avengers is produced they too know that everyone will show up. But they still do everything professionally to get the most enticing teasers out and what not. So if you are excited about the film you get more excited (!). if you are even slightly on the fence the build-up reels you in. On the other hand the message with this early stuff on D3 or the Krrish song trailers seems to be ‘yeah we know it’s cheap and terrible and/or the songs are miserable but are you really going to miss the film for those reasons?’! The answer seems to be in the negative and so they race ahead with these dubious decisions. Forget comparing this stuff to Hollywood (one wonders if Rakesh Roshan is sometimes referring to some other Hollywood industry in a galaxy far far away.. but wait.. he literally thinks he’s offering LOTR competition on the SFX!), it would be embarrassing to put this up against some of the best East Asian sci-fi/action/fantasy and what have you. But again the audience simply doesn’t seem to care. The true big budget blockbuster should not end up looking worse than much else that’s on offer! D3 or Krrish3 don’t so far have the best campaigns even by Bollywood standards. K3 had a good first trailer and everything since has been terrible. D3 hasn’t even gotten off the ground yet in this regard.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:43 PM
And it’s really funny to read twitter reactions – everything is ‘mindblowing’ as per our industry.
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September 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM
yes people who’ve had their minds blown off (evidently) find everything they see mind-blowing..!
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September 30, 2013 at 4:38 PM
The perfectionist has never been tested on this terrain, he has never done a Hollywood action kind of deal before, and I am not sure how invested or knowledgeable he is in making these kind of things look good.
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October 16, 2013 at 5:23 PM
Aamir’s plans are awaiting Aditya Chopra’s approval
Buzz is that even Aamir Khan cannot go ahead with his plans for his next ‘Dhoom 3’ without the producer signing off on them
Aamir Khan apparently wants to repeat the formula that he implemented in the run up to his film ‘Delhi Belly’ that starred his nephew Imran, for his upcoming release, ‘Dhoom 3’. Buzz is that the star wants to hold focus group screenings for the film, to take in suggestions made by select audiences and later incorporate it into the final cut.
However, insiders say that the film’s producer Aditya Chopra may not give in to his request.
Says a source close to the actor, “Aamir is known for his penchant for perfection. He took a lot of time before releasing ‘Delhi Belly’. He had done the same with Imran’s film and hopes to do the same with ‘Dhoom 3’.”
An insider from the production house says, “He has already forwarded his request to Adi but he is not sure the producer will agree.”
Express delivery
The shroud of secrecy around his next film, ‘Dhoom 3’, has been so thick that Aditya Chopra is leaving no stone unturned in fiercely guarding the details of the Aamir Khan starrer.. Aamir has been shooting for Rajkumar Hirani’s film in Delhi and Adi apparently has decided to send his messenger bearing the first draft of the film’s trailer for the star’s eyes only. The reason allegedly to send someone personally carrying his package is to prevent the details from being hijacked. Says a source, “Aamir is involved in taking the marketing decisions around the film’s promotions. Someone from Adi’s studio will personally escort the package to the actor.”
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October 17, 2013 at 4:43 AM
i hope the trailer has something in it.
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October 26, 2013 at 8:51 AM
Good one!
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October 26, 2013 at 9:03 AM
Abhishek needs to smile a bit….
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October 26, 2013 at 9:10 AM
the Dhoom cop never smiles! Or that’s not true, the guy in the first one smiled with his wife!
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October 26, 2013 at 9:12 AM
If should not take the cool factor too far, needs to play like Amitabh’s Cop role in Dostana ……that is the gold standard !!
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October 26, 2013 at 9:39 AM
Abhi looks good in this poster. Hope they remain true to the character, jai did stuff in D2 (including dress a certain way) that wasn’t very consistent with what had been established in the first film…
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October 26, 2013 at 10:26 AM
Abhishek needs to frown a lot less, for the more naturally cool hep look if that is was this is about. This posturing is kind of deliberate. Abhishek has a very limited range, so when he goes off track, it becomes a ‘trying too hard’ sort of a thing. It shows.
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October 26, 2013 at 10:09 AM
I am hoping they release Dhoom-3 in Imax Navy Pier Chicago !!!
maza aa jayega !!
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October 26, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Technically in Photoshop terma these all are HDR images. In previous poster Aamir’s image was enhanced at the cost of others mainly Kat’s. They got all proportions wrong and she looks unshapely and unattractive.
Poor Abhi is going to pay price for his tallness to compensate Aamir’s lack of it!
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October 26, 2013 at 11:27 AM
yeah it’s true, some of these images look photoshopped in too obvious ways. Everyone does this sort of thing but it shouldn’t be as apparent.
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October 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM
wt……i think D3 = Disbelief 3 🙂 everything so far is preparing for a master’s course in disbelief……..
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October 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Like Abhi’s look here.
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October 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM
I think people are making a serious mistake of underestimating Aamir here. The guy is so astute that there is no way D3 will go wrong. His motto is – Horses for courses. So, something like Talaash, he wasnt willing to compromise though he very likely knew its BO implications and keot the film true to his vision. Ofcourse,he might have had a fond hope for it to do better than it did but am sure he was prepared for it to fare even worse than it did. For something like D3, am sure he knows this is all about forgettable entertainment and BO and it will shape up accordingly. Ofcourse, there is potential for it to be better than first two installments due to Aamir’s involvement. So, am not all concerned here. This is not going to be ground breaking stuff but will be more than viable commercially.
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October 26, 2013 at 1:31 PM
yes this is what we’re all holding out for!
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October 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM
What is great in Abhi’s look here?It looks like a poster of a B grade film.
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October 26, 2013 at 10:06 PM
Indeed, he is trying too hard here. Genetics failed in giving him a complete BigB rugged jawline. Uski galti nahi, yeh kudrat ka dosh hai.
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October 26, 2013 at 2:03 PM
Even i like abhi’s look here. He seems to be in the best shape of his career ( if these images arnt photoshopped ). And i have always felt that abhi can carry the intense look very well.
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October 26, 2013 at 2:18 PM
The still is good but is the waist also on fire?
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October 26, 2013 at 2:19 PM
This latest image is superb.
This is teaser of same poster .. [added to post]
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October 26, 2013 at 9:41 PM
Trailer at 30 Oct 6 pm ist? vow – let us hope for something good here.
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October 27, 2013 at 9:21 AM
“Abhishek has a very limited range, so when he goes off track, it becomes a ‘trying too hard’ sort of a thing. It shows.”– hmm arthi..
“Uski galti nahi, yeh kudrat ka dosh hai.”– ha ny kavi
Btw read this somewhere
Amitabh (- presence +charisma) + Jaya (-talent) = Abhishrek !!!
Disclaimer : this is NOT my equation. Just conveying it here for bachchan fans 🙂
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October 27, 2013 at 3:25 PM
[Singh Saab the Great trailer]
Hey, so, in the midst of the Dhoom and Krrish hype, I hope people don’t miss this. Honestly, I like this trailer! One of the few Sunny Deol movies that I’m looking forward to!
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October 28, 2013 at 7:02 AM
there’s a post on this. Can’t say I have any taste for this sort of thing though!
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October 28, 2013 at 4:34 AM
quite a terrible Katrina poster..
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October 28, 2013 at 9:06 AM
Kya baat kar rahe ho bhai. This is the saving grace after all those mugshots. Though I don’t quite like their obsession with photoshopped flames shooting out from angles.
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October 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM
good eye candy stuff
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October 28, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Though I did get quite a laugh out of her character description there.
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October 28, 2013 at 10:53 AM
lol, true!
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October 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM
Abhishek caught a lot of flak for his physique and look in D2, so I am assuming he won’t fall into that trap this time around
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October 28, 2013 at 2:47 PM
After the ‘shrek’, the ‘sidekick’ and the ‘stunted’–finally some juice lol
Good katrina pic there!!
Katrina is quite ‘Fit’ and is physically fighting fit
The key word is ‘tone’ 🙂
As for the box office, don’t think aamir would have left any stone unturned!! Now this is a tailor made half volley waiting to be hit for six!! Anything less than the biggest grosser ever will be underperformance for aamir here—doubt v much if this one goes working though.
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October 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM
The ghost of Hritik
Lol @ the ‘clown’ thief
What the heck!!
That self explanatory title wasn’t needed
Now currently hritik is giving aamir sleepless nites
Not only aamir will have to contend with comparisons of dhoom3 box office with krish3
In the ‘coolness’ stakes, he is fightinga losing battle
With hritk of dhoom2– the only way aamir can salvage himself is by an orgasmic box office performance –& that’s what he is/will be banking upon
All the best to hritk and aamir —may the best guy win this one 🙂
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October 28, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Amitabh Bachchan @SrBachchan 3m
T 1204 -And … Adi Chopra calls me to his preview theatre to view the first trailer of ‘DHOOM 3’ .. astounding !! Such finesse !!
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October 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM
Katrina is physically fighting fit
The key word is ‘tone’
I’m not joking
If katrina has a hand to hand man to man combat with the likes of
Imran khan, shahid kapoor, even aamir khan, abhishrek bachchan, Tushar kapoor,
Can’t rule out katrina beating the hell out of these glorified sissies 🙂
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October 28, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Surely you jest?
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October 28, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Hehe thanx ‘Arun’ —
Btw I’m not joking
Katrina CAN beat the above named esteemed ‘heroes’ one to one especially in a ‘fist’ fight lol!
Anyhow ‘Arun’–tell us about your tastes in films, your favourite actors….
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October 30, 2013 at 9:03 AM
I don’t have any favourite actors. Tastes in films, I’d say it’s pretty varied
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October 28, 2013 at 3:46 PM
Wows, Aamir’s ‘cool’ face is worse than SRK’s!
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October 28, 2013 at 4:46 PM
This Aamir pic is so poor. For some reason it looks as if he is seeing down and blushing….
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October 29, 2013 at 5:00 AM
Abhishek is looking good here. I have a hunch that he is going to have a better deal than in Dhoom 2 and that he is going to benefit from the franchise this time around.
Apex- As for Katrina, she can certainly kick the ass of the likes of Imran, Shahid and Tushar and it will look entirely believable. I won’t put Abhishek or Aamir’s names in here because whilst these guys aren’t the ultimate action heroes, they’ve proved that they can kick ass as well.
But you can also add Ranbir and the Saif Ali Khan at his debut when he looked like Sharmila Tagore wearing a man’s wig! Katrina can kick the crap out them and it won’t look too unbelievable.
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October 30, 2013 at 8:47 AM
when is the d3 trailer coming today..time???
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October 30, 2013 at 9:00 AM
Just saw the trailer. Looks interesting. The trailer itself, I wish there was less overall scowling.
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October 30, 2013 at 10:20 AM
Apparently KJo has tweeted that this has given him a 400cr Adrenaline rush.
Vaise, yeh trailer total Grand Phaad hai..
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November 23, 2013 at 12:10 PM
Good news for Satyam–Incidentally, abhishrek is looking good here in these pics & (more than) dwarfing aamir in that pic where the two are facing each other
Must say, if abhishrek is given half a decent role here, he will prove more than a handful for aamir
Lol @ the top pic of aamir in the helmet
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November 24, 2013 at 8:26 AM
No magician can work the slight of hand on this one…unless the hat is stuffed with rabbits 🙂
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November 24, 2013 at 9:55 AM
Ha maggie–can u teach me how u get those one-liners –pleez 🙂
And Satyam–abhishrek continues to look good here (& better than aamir!) in the pics till now…your wait is finally yielding ‘fruit’ lol
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November 24, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Just make them up..lol
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November 25, 2013 at 5:20 PM
Wow-then make me some coffee as well pleez ..lol
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November 25, 2013 at 1:46 AM
i am loving these new images
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November 25, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Abhishek seems to have better role/footage this time compared to Dhoom-2…
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November 25, 2013 at 4:47 PM
that is possibly true but the first theatrical trailer was incredibly lopsided.. with D2 the comparable trailer had parity. But yeah he does seem to be in on the action a lot more here, in a qualitative sense. There also seem to be a couple of face-offs. All depends on how everything’s managed in the film.
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November 25, 2013 at 5:15 PM
The only thing we have available to guess how Vijay Acharya will manage the characters is Tashan and I thought he did a good job in balancing Akshay and Saif’s characters in terms of screen time. Akshay was at his peak at that time but still the screen times were good. There’s a similar situation here in terms of the 1 superstar (Aamir, Akshay) vs 1 star face off (Saif, Abhishek).
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November 26, 2013 at 10:17 AM
This could very well be true not sure how I feel about this though hope it does not have negative effect on the film http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/hindi/article/100330.html
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November 26, 2013 at 11:20 AM
yes I’ve read about this elsewhere too. I’d say it makes no difference to the film’s initial. They’ve already done the promotional video with katrina and capitalized on the theme song.
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November 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM
It’s not going to make a difference for sure. Music hardly matters as Krrish 3 showed.
The buzz is here in UK. It’s the only film people are talking about watching (though must say Ram Leela was very popular from my anecdotal observation, much more than any film since CE). There is a lot of expectation and without a real promotion strategy ala Ghajini or OSO.
Not releasing the soundtrack only really works if the soundtrack is good! If it’s bad, it shouldn’t affect the film unless the film is poorly received.
Definitely an effort to not leak anything, but it’s hardly the “kind” of film or genre where much can be kept secret! We know there is a cop and a villain! And the cop usually wins! Talaash would have made more sense, as it was a suspense thriller with an important twist.
How much curiosity can there be in a film like Dhoom or Race? It’s all been there done that.
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November 27, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Race was a horse that never finished. And its brother #2 was a mule..
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November 27, 2013 at 4:51 PM
“Instead they will be releasing song teasers of 30 seconds for the audiences to get a glimpse and feel of the songs and content. ”
I think the soundtrack will release, but the videos will not.
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November 27, 2013 at 10:47 AM
I know people were anxiously waiting to see if either Krrish or Dhoom would continue. Marketing strategy aside one wonders just whose movie is this anyways? Dhoom has ramped up the glitzy quotient but still how much action-chase scenes can there be without looking like a blur in motion. Maybe the next one will be titled ‘Hrithik Returns’ 😛
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November 27, 2013 at 7:51 PM
“Maybe the next one will be titled ‘Hrithik Returns’”– hehe
“Race was a horse that never finished. And its brother #2 was a mule..” Hoho maggie-u sure know how 2 keep me happy 🙂
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November 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM
whatever I can do to ‘make your day’ 🙂
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November 28, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Oh I see maggie… lemme think about the ‘options’ then … 🙂
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November 29, 2013 at 3:35 PM
Ok maggie errm–give me a cute smile pleeez (2 begin with!) 🙂
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November 29, 2013 at 7:22 PM
*grins*
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November 30, 2013 at 10:51 AM
That’s better maggie–now let that nice strand of your hair rest where it wants -on your forehead or between the lips–be gentle on it-I lemme sort it out soon 🙂
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November 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Promotions have picked up tremendously in last few days on tv channels
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November 28, 2013 at 8:03 AM
They’ve certainly done a grand video for this song. it’s way better than the equivalent number in D2 and probably the best such I’ve seen in this franchise. Even the song though the tune has been beaten to death a few times is better for this terrain than the usual stuff.
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November 28, 2013 at 2:14 PM
oops, just realized I put this comment in the images thread.. Oh well too late to movie it now..
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November 28, 2013 at 8:08 AM
On the posters they’ve done such excessive photoshopping to make Amir look almost like a 20+ year old, while in the clips of the film he looks old.
The song looks like an item song. So did the ‘dhoom machale’ one.
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November 28, 2013 at 8:16 AM
the Dhoom machale one is a promotional video. Won’t appear this way in the film. This current song is not an item one though’ It’s a love track more or less with the pair. And Aamir has a circus background here. Hence the rest.
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November 28, 2013 at 1:28 PM
This Malang song is a circus song featuring plenty of gymnasts. Aamir has worked hard to achieve the body of a circus gymnast. He apparently aimed at a body weight with fat less than 10%. He and Katrina have worked hard for their fitness with regard to the cicus scenes. Aamir is also said to have taken ballet cum tap dancing lessons for a month in australia. I hope that all this hard work pays off and the song is worth the effort and expense. Katrina has spoken about one risky circus shot that she and aamir did without safety net. Foolish though brave. Anyway best of luck to team Dhoom 3 — and may the carping cynics get to shut up finally.
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November 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM
KomalNahta @ DM FAV RT ? 1 hour ago
DHOOM:3 is almost three hours long. The film, applied for certification, has a running time of 172 minutes
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November 28, 2013 at 12:36 PM
wow, that’s pretty long..
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November 28, 2013 at 1:38 PM
Not a bad thing at all…the song is pretty lavishly shot. But can never understand spending so much on a song.
All kinds of excuses being made…but lets face it this is the biggest film of the year by a margin. Ticket price hike or no hike its set to break all records…
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November 28, 2013 at 1:29 PM
The first one was 130 minutes and the second one was 150 minutes even though D1 had the better story and script. The Dhoom series are all about being slick; I’m guessing the emotional stuff in D3 made its length this long.
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November 28, 2013 at 2:13 PM
yes the masala past and probably better characterization adds to the length here. I’m once again hopeful that we might get the most substantial film of the series here..
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November 28, 2013 at 2:46 PM
And the length also makes me hopeful that we have a more even battle between Abhishek and Aamir. Also I’m very excited to see how the movie ends especially with this newly added masala element. Since we’re dealing with one of the 3 Khan’s here, will they kill him at the end (and risk angering/disappointing the audience) or do a D2 like ending? Let’s wait and watch!
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November 28, 2013 at 2:53 PM
It might be an ending like the original Dhoom. One of the shots somewhere seemed to suggest this. But it could also be a Batman-like deal where he re-emerges somewhere at the end. The d2 ending was a bit false though. The idea that the cop suddenly goes soft and lets the lovers escape was odd. The first film was better even in this respect.
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November 28, 2013 at 3:36 PM
This may end like D1 but Aamir has no love interest in Katrina here. So it cant end like D3. She just accidentally works in circus with Aamir. Here we will see a group of people working as Dhoom team. Look at the star cast on imdb which may throw some light on it. I think Tabrett Bethell is love interest of Aamir.
Btw, Bipasha basu and Diana Penty are also present in the film.
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November 28, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Didn’t know Bipasha was showing up again. Didn’t know the Penty bit either.
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November 28, 2013 at 3:58 PM
@Satyam are you referring to the scene where aamir rides the motorcycle of the bridge? If so I agree. D2’s ending was false, but I’m also thinking of the last time a Big actor died at the end of the movie and all I can come up with is Agneepath. I’m leaning towards thinking Aamir won’t die at the end at this moment but I’ll be satisfied with either ending.
And Aamir’s love interest is definitely Katrina; you can see snippets of the romantic song in the trailer and also they were filming a wedding type romantic song at Millennium Park last summer. And I don’t think Bipasha Basu or Diana Penty are in Dhoom 3. Maybe a 1-2 minute cameo but nothing more significant than that.
Btw both Malang and whatever little snipppets I’ve heard of the “Tu Hi Junoon” song both have a more sad/dramatic sound to them as opposed to the other Dhooms. I think it’ll work well with the overall feel of the film.
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November 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM
Yes I was referring to that scene. But you’re probably right on all of this.
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November 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM
It’s all speculation at this point so your guess is as good as mine!
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November 28, 2013 at 8:35 PM
Do you think Lead character will marry in Kjo movie style in DHOOM franchise? All those romantic portions and wedding scenes are just part of Magician acts which involves Katrina as his partner but she has nothing to do with robbery. Love angle is not prominent this time. This time it is more realistic and intricate stuff, at least that i what has been attempted here. And thats the only reason why i am interested in this movie.
Aamir is sensible enough not to make mismatch pair with katrina.
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November 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM
Like I said before, it’s all speculation at this point.
But to your “Aamir is sensible enough not to make mismatch pair with katrina.”
Someone on this forum said that the audience believes anything the 3 Khan’s do. It’s not about Aamir being sensible or not (which he definitely is). If the audience didn’t have a problem with SRK-Katrina or SRK-Anushka (in Rab Ne) or any other actress the Khans have been paired with, they won’t have a problem with Aamir-Katrina. I for one when I heard Katrina was in this movie just assumed that Aamir-Katrina would have their romantic angle and did not care about the mismatch. And I’m not even an Aamir fan!
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November 28, 2013 at 1:26 PM
yes Aamir last two releases on Christmas Ghajini and 3 idiots were 183 and 170 mins respectively !!
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November 28, 2013 at 1:41 PM
I’m liking the Malang song and Video a lot. Aamir looks awesome when he’s doing the gymnastics stuff on the hoop but he looks awkward when he’s actually dancing although you can tell he worked his ass off for the song. Katrina looks great throughout. This song is the Dil Laga of D2 and Salaame of D1. Much better than both in terms of visual and song but I still like Dil Laga better because it incorporated all of the actors.
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November 28, 2013 at 9:51 PM
so the rather restrained marketing moves are working well so far. Hype is going up with every day….
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November 29, 2013 at 3:04 AM
Yeh jo records pe records break karne ki prakriya hai yeh filmwalo ka bas ek dhong hai. Zaahir si baat hai ki pichle dino jo article publish hua tha ek akhbar mei us article se saaf jhalakta hai ki na to krrish ne aur na Chennai express ne koo aise record banaye jo pehle na banaye gaye ho. Box office ka koi bharosa nahi. Krrish k release ke baad yeh baat to tay hai ki zaroori nahi ki teen bade khano ya hritik ki har film pichli badi film ka record tode. Ranbir ki beharam uske theek yeh jawani hai deewni ke baad aayi jo is saal ki sabse zyada kamane wali filmo mei se ek thi. Lekin besharam mushkil se 50 crore kama saki. Dhoom 3 ek umda film bilkul ho sakti hai lekin kya woh sabse zyada kamane wali film hogi yeh koi yakeen ke sath nahi keh sakta.
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November 29, 2013 at 7:17 AM
tm – valid point – i guess aamir understand the nuances of film-making as well as the right marketing – there is a conscious effort to project the “add-ons” in D3 – story / characterisation / songs – he definitely knows the pulse of Indian audience and here is a film entire families will flock during those 15 days (20 dec to Jan 5) and later on also………it is safer to bet on this one as the highest grossing (and netting also) film in BW.
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November 29, 2013 at 7:20 AM
and if there is a repeat value ( i believe there will be a lot) for D3 – then there won’t be any stopping to this one …
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November 29, 2013 at 7:30 AM
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/more/videos/view/id/2243895
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November 29, 2013 at 9:02 AM
The music is decent, but kinda done-to-death. Also, the sufi tune shot on a circus background is a bit outta-whack. Somehow it did not gel for me. Lets see what the rest of the song-teasers reveal.
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November 29, 2013 at 9:45 AM
well – only aamir-lovers r gonna like this 🙂 (u need a FB a/c i guess) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=651439664898913&set=a.510711902305024.105568.106503252725893&type=1
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November 30, 2013 at 1:46 AM
In the Malang teaser, it says Full Tracks available on iTunes, Nokia, YRF on December 20th I think. It seems like a new but useless idea. I do not think this will help or hurt the movie.
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December 1, 2013 at 8:46 AM
Like most of Abhishek’s stills here a lot including this latest one.
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December 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM
Agree –abhishrek is looking good here for a change.
And for gods sake, technically he IS the hero of this franchise and the one who has ‘held it together’
That’s why these news reports are shocking and humiliating for bachchan fans ..
http://www.magnamags.com/live-feed/abhishek-bachchan-snubbed-not-invited-to-dhoom-3-event-courtesy-aamir-khan/2191
Ps/ as for the style quotient, in this film, it’s katrina all the way though –what say maggie 🙂
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December 1, 2013 at 9:08 AM
that story has been doing the rounds for a number of days..
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December 1, 2013 at 3:03 PM
Ridiculousness is stretched to the highest degree with fanboy lust. There was no empathy when Abhishek’s role was reduced to an extra in D2 at the cost of providing stardom ‘lift’ to HR. At that point, the narrative was that HR is THE better/best star and actor and that he stood ‘taller’ than every actor and hence Abhishek being down in the movie was merely because of HR’s ‘ability’ – not because of the fact that script was ridiculously one-sided. And nobody had any problem with this wonderful ‘theory.’
Now, with Aamir, suddenly, Abhishek is the ‘hero’ and an important part of Dhoom series!!! How dare Aamir and Aditya forget this!!
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December 2, 2013 at 10:22 PM
One lump or two?….I dont know..style is a relative thing…put a dress on a horse and maybe you wont be able to tell
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December 1, 2013 at 9:23 AM
Satyam u think someone like Aamir would try to sideline abhishek ? This is the usual media nonsense . This is not the first story on the film and none of them had anything to do with the reality .
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December 1, 2013 at 9:25 AM
I don’t believe it which is why I never put up the story here even though it’s been doing the rounds for several days..
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December 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM
I seriously feel that our Indian media is unscrupulous and mischievous, creating discord where none exists, creating fan wars in peaceful situations. The film media is especially bad, while tv chaps like Arnab Goswami and ilk are a spl breed of wierdos. Stardust (Magna media which gave the story mentioned above) — it has little credibility. They are adept at making mountains of molehills. Aamir and Abhishek came together on stage during first promo. Second and third featured Aamir and Katrina since the portions dealt with them.
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December 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM
Aamir and Abhishek have a very good personal relationship. But here’s what the deal is. Aditya Chopra has in my view made the theatrical trailer and a lot of the advertising much more one-sided than the film is likely to be. And my point here isn’t that he should be ‘kind’ to Abhishek but that this is simply a crude decision on his part. No one says ‘I won’t show up for D3 unless it’s Aamir for 90% of the trailer’! Plus I’ve long believed that this film no matter how big at the box office can be bigger if it really centers around the face-off and creates an emotional arc in this sense. The first film was balanced in this regard. With the second the problem was that when you given the villain the girl, the cool stunts, the best songs, the get ups and so forth there’s very little left for the cop to do except show up mechanically after every heist. Again in the first one Abhishek had some moments with his wife, the comedy with Ali was a bit more spontaneous etc. I still believe this installment will be a lot lot better for Abhishek compared to the second one. He seems to have some good action sequences, looks good in the stills, has a physical advantage over Aamir. Nonetheless with all of this you still need enough characterization and certainly enough of a face-off. Because now the villain even has the masala backstory! It’s not just a question of footage but the kind of footage the actor has. Abhishek had enough footage in D2, that wasn’t the real issue. But either way the theatrical trailer was ridiculously one-sided and though it was extremely effective I think it would have been better with the face-off highlighted (assuming the film has this).
Of course there have been anti-Aamir stories in the media about how he’s deliberately sidelining Abhishek etc. We never hear this with other stars vis-a-vis Abhishek. But what feeds the narrative is some of the advertising we see. On these events they were probably always planned this way. The more important point is: if they were going to have Abhishek even for a song release that didn’t feature him they would have had more of him in the trailer in the first place! Could or should Aamir have ensured that the trailer was more balanced in this sense? One can argue about this but at the end of the day this is an industry not a charity! I still hold the producer responsible because Aamir would have been fine with a more balanced trailer as well. But in any case it’s amusing to see these ‘sympathetic’ stories all of a sudden about how Abhishek ‘the hero of the franchise’ is being ignored and what not when the same folks are quite happy to go after him in every other sense.
But once again do think, specially given the length and some of the stills I’ve seen, that there’s still a good chance Abhishek gets a lot out of this one. But it would have to be something really worthwhile to balance out the impression the advertising has created. In the industry when you’re down in any sense you get to see and face a lot of such stuff. But even by those standards Aditya Chopra has gone much further than he needed to. My point again is that it makes bad business sense. Then again this is an industry where D2 made 85 crores which was phenomenal but no one paused to consider whether the film might have made 100 then (as I certainly believe).
Ironically Abhishek looks to be getting a BB-like deal in HNY.
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December 1, 2013 at 5:41 PM
“Aditya Chopra has in my view made the theatrical trailer and a lot of the advertising much more one-sided than the film is likely to be” – that is not true satyam – everyone is given due importance and aamir deserves what he is getting!
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December 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM
Manmohan Desai didn’t have trailers where he just had Amitabh Bachchan! There’s a very simple logic here. You don’t take stars if you’re not going to justify them at every step. Rishi Kapoor had a perfectly fine role in AAA. Even the smallest villains in a Desai film made an impression. Now I’m willing to concede that Abhishek has a good outing here but that should be reflected in the trailer. It’s not a question of ‘deserving’ anything here! Aamir already has the central part in the advertising, it doesn’t have to be 90%!
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December 1, 2013 at 8:38 PM
I think here it’s important to remember Devgn’s magnanimity towards Abhishek in case of BB. NO ONE apart from Devgn would have allowed the film to be released with that title especially considering that Abhishek was at his lowest B.O. phase (not that Abhishek’s position is much better even now. He still needs a solid solo hit. Irrespective of what part he has in HNY and D3, it’s a solo hit which will change the narrative for him. Hopefully the Shukla might turn out to be that) and Devgn himself was riding on a streak of solid superhits. He literally allowed Abhishek to walk away with the film- he not only served him a hit on a platter but also gave him very clearly an author-backed part (which played to Abhishek’s strength. His performance of course was the only good thing about that film).
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December 1, 2013 at 10:34 PM
agreed largely.. I’d just add this.. Abhishek might get a BB kind of deal in HNY. without the title of course! Leaving this aside Devgan is very close to the family. I mean really close. No doubt he was magnanimous here but he (along with his father) also owe Bachchan Sr in certain ways. Not saying he did it for that reason, it’s safe to say the families are close enough for this not to be that sort of transactional deal, but there is history here. Additionally Rohit Shetty started his career with Devgan/Abhishek and wanted to bring them together again. Devgan himself said that they thought of having him before but could never find the right part for him. I’d finally say this — it is absolutely true that personal relationships do matter in this business as in any other (Abhishek has a great relationship with SRK as well.. and here I’ve always got the sense that SRK genuinely likes him) it is also the case that these can never completely override good business decisions (forget everything else.. Devgan invested in BB and SRK of course is doing the same with HNY.. you don’t do this just to be generous because these decisions cost too much). In other words you don’t give Abhishek a double in BB or HNY if you think he matters only as much as twenty other stars. Because a star down on his luck and even one who’s hit rock bottom is very different from one who is never at that threshold level of stardom and cannot be even with success. when you have Devgan or now SRK in a film there is an obvious safety net not to mention the other frills in these films. But the star doing a very central part still has to be credible. It can’t just be about performance, it has to be an actor with enough of a star ‘charge’ if you will. Otherwise the film cannot even be marketed a certain way. All this doesn’t mean I disagree with most of what you’re saying. I completely agree that a solo is necessary (if anything I think it’s a bit problematic to get hits with other stars in completely crowd-pleasing genres where films start off with a bang and then go in for more of a family subject solo where these films even when they trend very well and gross very well are unlikely to start off in the same way) but there is a great misperception about multistarrers in more ways than one.
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December 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM
Agreed completely. They hardly shows Abhi alone (without Uday) and that also makes his presence/character weaker.
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December 1, 2013 at 6:01 PM
It’s hilarious to see aamir fans behaving in a way that will put even srk fans (!) to shame 🙂
C’mon folks… Take it easy…
These news reports are there in lots of outlets not only magnamags…
Another one…
“specially given the length and some of the stills I’ve seen, that there’s still a good chance Abhishek gets a lot out of this one.”–
I also hope so Satyam –but seems there is no smoke without fire…
Note the sequence wherein aamir and abhishrek are darting towards each other on a bike with a ‘rod’…
Abhishrek seems menacing that is the requirement here and ‘devours’ aamir
Now I have nothing against aamir and when he will do anything good in D3, I will be the first to point it out folks –don’t worry
But is it our or the bachchan fans fault that media outlets are reporting this
And is it our fault that forget Hritik, even Abhishrek is proving too much to handle for aamir in this genre ?? 🙂
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December 2, 2013 at 1:03 AM
An Interesting fact about Dhoom 3 http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BadNWsTCAAEbp4O.jpg
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December 2, 2013 at 1:27 AM
It is all about marketing. Whether to market it as aamir’s film or a multistarrer. RDB and 3Idiots were multistarrers in the true sense and yet the films are known as aamir’s, not madhavan’s, not Siddharth’s, not Sharman Joshi’s. Even directors like Hirani overshadowed in his films.
D3 is also marketed in the same way. Even if aamir has a 50 percent part or even a 30 percent part, producers like to present them as aamir’s film. In case, it is ajay devgn or akshay kumar in place of abhishek, maybe things might have been different.
Physicality does not matter. As villains in normal masala films look much more stronger, much better and more effective, yet the hero walks away with all the honours. Here funnily, the villain looks like the hero. In Sholay amjad Khan towered over everyone. The ultimate villain.
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December 2, 2013 at 3:34 AM
If the film is not upto the mark, only aamir will get all the blame. Not abhishek or Katrina.
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December 2, 2013 at 6:54 AM
I find it quite saddening, the amount of dismissal and negativity being spilt against Aamir Khan in Dhoom 3. First supposed Hritik fans have gone on and on about how Aamir was not fit ti take his place in the new Dhoom instalment; and now this drama about supposed snub of Abhishek. Seems fake news to me;I just read this news bit about Aamir’s son’s second birthday party yesterday. Aishwarya and daughter were there . If Abhishek had been snubbed by Aamir during promotion of Dhoom 3,, would Aishwarya have bothered to grace an Aamir party?
In any case Aamir seems to lose either way…he is considered unfit for this role — too short, old, uncool; a ‘how dare he barge into this youthful party’ premise. If the film is a hit, his detractors will be there all over the net, saying it’s the others who did the job and the film worked despite his presence. If it’s a flop or a semi-hit — Aamir takes the blame.
I honestly wish he had not taken this role, but done the sort of films for which he won his original fan following — Ghulam, Sarfarosh, 1947Earth and other such solid down to earth films of substance and value. Instead he takes on this glitzy dhoom 3 thing as a sort of challenge perhaps — a negative role of a circus gymnast with a dark story, burning resentment, the lot; interesting possibilities there actually and he even fits in physically. You don’t need to be tall and well built to do such a role. To play a gymnast your body needs to be small, light and flexible; you can be short and still carry off the role. Aamir could even play a jockey. He has continuously worked on his body to fit his role.That’s dedication, perfection….but his critics cannot see it. All they see is an over aged manipulator, a real villian.
Fictional villians come in all shapes and sizes; and agewise too, it does not matter; is there any rule that all leads (positive and negative) should be of a certain age–maximum 40-45? I don’t think so. Whatever your age you should carry it off without looking ridiculous, that’s all.
Aamir was terrific in Rang De Basanti, managing to shine in a multi-starrer. I love that film in its entirety–especially loved Atul Kulkarni and Kunal kapoor, but for me Aamir was specially good, at age 40, carrying off the role of a 25 yr-29 yr old.
I hope all the leads of Dhoom 3 do a good job that gives them credit, that the film succeeds in its entirety, the way Rang De Basanti did.
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December 2, 2013 at 7:11 AM
My recent favourite is Talaash. Yesterday my cablewallah telecasted that movie. Everyone acted sincerely and no one tried to outshine the others. One of the most underrated films.
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December 2, 2013 at 7:16 AM
Yes, Talaash was good, really loved it. Liked Aamir-Rani, but totally loved Kareena-Nawaazuddin! The latter pair had great roles and they were carried off perfectly. Aamir-Rani had the more subdued roles — and they did them justice, of course.
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December 2, 2013 at 7:13 AM
Here are some pics from Aamir’s kiddie b’day party. Abhishek-Aishwarya’s daughter is a svelte little thing with a beautiful hairstyle that’s quite grown up! Can’t wait to see her as she grows up. A few days back I saw some more pics of Aaradhya, the Abhi-Aish offspring. She had turned two. Tall kid with really daddylong legs.
http://ibnlive.in.com/photogallery/14864-12.html
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December 2, 2013 at 7:14 AM
Kuch to log kahenge, logon ka kaam hai kehna. So I am taking it easy inspite of usual suspects trying all their old tricks.
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December 2, 2013 at 7:21 AM
Ha ha. Well said. Meanwhile watch this Malang-making video, a 2 and half minute humdinger that gives us more of the song, plus visuals. I have a feeling that this song may do the trick. Wishing all the best to Dhoom 3 team. Hard work and risk-taking should be rewarded
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December 2, 2013 at 8:48 AM
LS don’t worry dear 🙂 we know aamir takes up almost impossible roles and D3 has become such a safe bet now because of his involvement that BO counting will start from 201 cr onwards 🙂 reg. performances – well he has already made it clear that the movie has a strong emotional content – everyone has put in their best (aamir does this to all in his films) and no matter what people say – i think abhi / kat / uday – they will have a strong roles in this film and entire families will flock for this – to add – it looks to have a strong repeat value – so just chill and say “Bande he hum uske……hum pe kiska zor…” 🙂
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December 2, 2013 at 8:51 AM
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December 2, 2013 at 9:09 AM
Heh heh. I do have a feeling that this film will be a good entertainer. I watched Om Shanthi Om twice in theatre; found it to be a good entertainer with humour, colour, stars, songs, the lot. Hoping for good action, story, colourful sets, star pizzaz, songs, emotional core, some humour –in Dhoom 3. Fingers crossed.
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December 2, 2013 at 9:13 AM
i too loved OSO – total paisa vasool entertainment – isi baat pe my fav. song from the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_bCU56cjYg
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December 2, 2013 at 1:36 PM
https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/image-from-dhoom-3/#comment-234747
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December 2, 2013 at 4:38 AM
Dhoom 3 till now failed to create any level of interest in me. I have doubts if it can touch 200 Crore.
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December 2, 2013 at 4:41 PM
Baba Yakuzanath, kaunsi ghufa mein virajman ho aap? Tanik bahar niklo, duniya ki bheed-baad mein padharo. Bees December tak, yeh duniya keval Dhoom karne ka intezaar kar rahi hai.
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December 2, 2013 at 5:42 AM
Abhishek is looking pretty good here — especially in that eighth still from the top (the one with Udau Chopra next to him).
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December 2, 2013 at 6:37 AM
there u go satyam – nice images of abhi these…
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December 2, 2013 at 7:24 AM
The making of Malang — a 2.38 video that gives us more of the song.
[video in trailer thread]
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December 2, 2013 at 8:15 AM
And here you can listen to the full song – http://www.saavn.com/p/song/hindi/Dhoom_3/Malang/HiMeCR9mVEc
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December 2, 2013 at 8:36 AM
Thanks. Heard the song. Sounds good enough.
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December 2, 2013 at 11:10 AM
The song gets a little messy in the middle (which is a problem I feel Pritam has been having recently with these big sequel movies like Race 2 and this) but overall it’s a good song but the song itself doesn’t feel like a song that will increase the hype.
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December 2, 2013 at 11:19 AM
agreed. the initial chorus (which I quite like) is followed by weaker stuff.. the video is very grand here so it won’t matter in terms of the film but I do agree on the rest. Still this song is vastly better than anything in Krrish!
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December 2, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Even if Dhoom 3 had no songs, it would still have better music than Krrish 3 solely based on that damn catchy Dhoom tune!
And we’ve seen about 20 different pictures of Aamir’s acting of which only about 5 look ridiculous. Since this isn’t his forte, I’m fine with the 75% success rate
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December 2, 2013 at 1:29 PM
Unfortunately those banking on a film like D3 getting everything right are hedging their bets on the wrong film! It’s the kind of film that is derivative, formulaic and any suggestion of something out of the box and removed from what D1 & D2 offered would 1) defeat the idea of a sequel 2) confuse the audience.
In essence, the film needs to keep to the spirit of the previous ones and upgrade the content by 10-15%. Expecting more is a different film altogether, one of which the majority of fans who turned up to the first two films will probably get irked by.
Aamir does look a little out of place but it’s not going to matter. Remember Ghajini? If an audience can suspend belief and accept him in that kind of violent, angry role then this street smart cocky baddie role won’t need much to convince! My 10-15% upgrade on this film for what it’s worth would have been less stunts/action and more mind games, where the baddie really gets into the mind of the good guys, almost making them vulnerable – and that to be reversed by the end of the film leaving the baddie a shell of himself.
In any case, most of what I have seen is better than I expected and the target audience will almost surely lap this one up – at this point the trailer and first song are pretty solid in securing and consolidating buzz and one would feel pretty confident this is a film unlikely to fall flat with its target audience. Something would have to be vastly wrong compared to what we’ve seen so far to get this one so wrong. But hey it could be famous last words too!
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December 2, 2013 at 2:29 PM
agreed on all counts..
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December 2, 2013 at 11:29 AM
Sounds vastly better than in the 30sec teaser. Fits in better with that grand circus background.
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December 2, 2013 at 11:48 AM
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December 2, 2013 at 1:56 PM
LOL Satyam the full song is uploaded by T-Series..what?
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December 2, 2013 at 2:09 PM
Heard it. Very ordinay. Bad actually. Very Disappointing music since CE release, only exception Ramleela and BOSS to some extent.
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December 2, 2013 at 9:08 PM
There is no end to pathetic bollywood songs. Here comes Dedh Ishqia-
[added to post]
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December 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM
actually its quite good , a lot better then CE..though not as good as ram leela
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December 2, 2013 at 12:44 PM
I have a feeling we will see a lot of this ‘snarling’ Aamir which we are seeing in that pic on the bike where he is having some club sort of thing in his hands. Dont think Aamir is at its best when he gets into this snarling mode to convey anger. If given a proper role here, Abhishek can take him to the cleaners as he is more at ease in this terrain. All said and done this movie is all set to touch 300 crores purely if one goes by the hype that is built up.
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December 2, 2013 at 7:14 PM
Didn’t think much of this malang song–but it’s not worse compared to the krirsh3 songs —
Which is the point–with such crap songs/promos, k3 reached that tally ..
Ps: what is katrina wearing there? (in the pic fifth from the top!)
Can some1 explain 🙂
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December 2, 2013 at 7:20 PM
Katrina Refuses to kiss Aamir–snubs aamir!!
(But katrina keen to kiss in ‘Bang Bang’) 🙂
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December 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM
here’s one for all the Katrina lovers out there!
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December 3, 2013 at 1:59 PM
You should also provide naplins for NYKavi and likes with this!😄
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December 3, 2013 at 1:59 PM
Napkins
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December 3, 2013 at 2:04 PM
Ha!
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December 3, 2013 at 2:11 PM
Asli Mard kaam tab hi kartey hain jab napkin ki zaroorat hi nah ho. Vaisey bhi, Sandra Fluke ne kaha hai ki Obama sab ko free birth control dene waala hai. To ab napkin waaley kaam kaun karega?
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December 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM
So Aamir atones for his tapdancing with this sharp laceration of a picture.
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December 3, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Agree– lol @ Aamirs ‘tap dancing’
I mean y is aamir doing this to himself..
There’s a half-volley franchise all set up for him –by HR, YRF, even abhishrek etc and aided by ash/katrina
Waiting to be milked to 300 crores plus
All aamir has to do is take it easy–y is he trying too much here -ending up looking funny …
Btw
“here’s one for all the Katrina lovers out there!”
–which one…?
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December 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM
Don’t think anybody is going to benefit here – apart from Aamir’s fund a/c and YRF – least of all Abhi. What is he doing signing inconsequential HNY and A I Well?
One cannot even suspend one’s disbelief to watch D3. It lacks the innocence and ‘naiveté’ of the first one and it’s becoming flatter by the sequel – even the expressions look tired and repetitive.
Aamir shouldn’t have done this one, seriously.
Even a ‘Shahid’ that earns 2 crores is a better movie than what is apparent from D3 here.
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December 5, 2013 at 1:54 AM
Ha some good thoughts there offside…
Btw what is that thingy katrina is being forced to wear?
And for gods sake, those beads ? And tribal style ‘jewellery’ is NOT a substitute to CLOTHES 🙂
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December 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM
“One lump or two?….I dont know..style is a relative thing…put a dress on a horse and maybe you wont be able to tell”–
Haha maggie rofl–which ‘lumps’ are those -is it about katrina ? 😉
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December 5, 2013 at 11:20 AM
for your coffee 🙂
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December 5, 2013 at 7:43 PM
Okie dokie maggie– so let’s have a cuppa koffee here tomorrow–Cheers 🙂
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December 6, 2013 at 3:13 PM
There u go–here I am–hope I’m not late–btw the coffee smells brilliant ..Many thanx ..Let’s call Goldie as well…
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December 6, 2013 at 5:03 PM
Btw girls–jus 2 remind u–I can go berserk with ‘dark coffee’..
Then let’s watch ‘kamli’..
Yup so u know what I need with my coffee…
‘Milk’ 🙂
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December 5, 2013 at 2:51 AM
Katrina certainly looks the fittest of actresses in Bollywood. Watch the making of ‘Malang’. I’ve never seen a Bollywood actress with the kind of biceps Katrina has here. I think Bipasha for e.g. is known to work out very hard but she’s never had these kind of biceps.
Katrina seems to have worked hard for the role and her fitness shows. She is looking great as well.
Give her a vamp role in a film alongside Shahid and Imran and she’ll look likely to easily kick their asses.
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December 5, 2013 at 5:51 AM
Fittest?- Bollywood actresses can’t even run!
On Katrina – when she’s not ‘battling’ her eyelids she’s working hard on her ‘expressions’ that hardly work!
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December 5, 2013 at 5:52 AM
‘batting’ – that is.
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December 5, 2013 at 10:31 AM
I wonder if Abhishek even gets a song in this movie
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December 5, 2013 at 11:56 PM
Here’s a first – are there more pics than comments above?
Did I read – YRF don’t need to publicize such films?!
Think I have seen the whole D3 right here!
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December 6, 2013 at 12:38 AM
Aamir Khan decoded –
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December 6, 2013 at 1:06 AM
There’s an overdose of masala films. And practically all prominent names have featured in masalathons this year. Take a look: SRK [CHENNAI EXPRESS], Ranbir Kapoor [BESHARAM], Ajay Devgn [HIMMATWALA], Akshay Kumar [BOSS], Sanjay Dutt [ZILA GHAZIABAD, POLICEGIRI], Sunny Deol [SINGH SAAB THE GREAT] and Saif Ali Khan [BULLETT RAJA].
Only one of them workd – Chennai Express – and how!
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December 6, 2013 at 3:21 AM
Another one R… R will flop as well.
Said that CE’s 50% and more should be attributed to Rohit Shetty and Deepika if I get the drift of the above post right!
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December 6, 2013 at 3:46 AM
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/salman-khans-next-film-mental-poster-release-1-748873.html
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December 6, 2013 at 3:50 AM
Offside: Yes. Rohit did a brilliant job, both in conceptualizing and excuting the film. Deepika was marevellous. Haven’t seen this good comic timing combined with mainstream feminine charm since the days of Sridevi. SRK was okay too. First time I have liked him wholeheartedly after Swades and Cahk De.
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December 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3842865
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December 10, 2013 at 10:34 AM
http://entertainment.oneindia.in/telugu/news/2013/dhoom-3-box-office-predictions-aamir-hrithik-srk-records-126806.html
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December 10, 2013 at 10:40 AM
http://www.addatoday.com/2013/12/dhoom-3-box-office-prediction-hit-or.html
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December 10, 2013 at 10:42 AM
http://www.sify.com/movies/dhoom-3-big-release-in-tamil-nadu-news-bollywood-nmejU8cfgjb.html?ref=slideout
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December 11, 2013 at 6:43 AM
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December 11, 2013 at 7:13 AM
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December 11, 2013 at 8:15 AM
Indian journalists! why the hell they are so much besotted with silly questions like marriage and boyfriends etc.!!
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December 11, 2013 at 8:45 AM
Most of this is a useless press conference because of ridiculous questions. Even in Bollywood there have been better ones! However the only interesting moment occurred when Abhishek once again confirmed he had not known about the previous event. Aamir a bit hurriedly tries to cover up for this saying that they weren’t around because Abhishek/Uday had no song in the film. Which itself becomes an ‘odd’ moment, they try to pin it on the director who clearly has no answer because it obviously wasn’t his decision to begin with!
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December 11, 2013 at 9:26 AM
agreed on all points here satyam. Aamir is also becoming quite repetitive and boring here in conferences…..better stay away or take the questions beforehand and then decide on the conferences. This one was all nonsense barring a few bit u’ve mentioned.
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December 11, 2013 at 9:33 AM
i think the only reason abhi is putting up with him being ignored is his love and admiration for aamir and maybe also his long relationship with YRF
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December 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM
It’s not Aamir fault.. the questions are inane.. most stars wouldn’t respond any better.
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December 11, 2013 at 2:15 PM
I just think Aamir is just pretty boring when it comes to these things. It’s just not in his nature. Even in this press conference Abhishek looks more interested and interesting and I wish he was asked more questions. Put in Salman or SRK can it wouldn’t be as boring. Even Hrithik is boring imo.
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December 11, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Incidentally Abhishek also says here that D3 is easily a much more ’emotional’ film than the early two installments.
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December 11, 2013 at 2:23 PM
Uday’s response about what Dhoom means to him is gold! And I like Aamir’s answer about how when he watched/watches Mughal-E-Azam, he had no idea what the box office collections were, he just watched the movie because it connected with him/for entertainment.
But he is wrong about the 30 second song teasers. He says that films usually release the full song video before the film releases. That’s just not true. From CE to YJHD to A2, K3, Ram-Leela, none of these films released full song videos. Actually among these films only D3 has released a full song video, the title song.
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December 11, 2013 at 8:53 AM
Excellent Aamir exchange with Rangan:
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December 11, 2013 at 9:49 AM
Read it with my morning coffee. Hope to hear Aamir and see him on Chennai film fest stage tomorrow.Will be attending CIFF opening ceremony tomorrow. For Rs 500/- per head, a week-long feast of international cinema. Last year’s selection was good. This year’s seems ok. Last year there was Claude Chabrol retrospective, Heneke’s Amour, some good Hungarian films…
Opening function seats are going to be packed; will be lucky to get into the hall. May even end up heading home, after seeing the cars whizz in. Hope it doesn’t happen.
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December 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM
man the questions were legit! thanks for the link.
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December 11, 2013 at 9:38 AM
Again Abhishek looking fantastic in these stills. Hope the film has enough of him.
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December 11, 2013 at 10:15 AM
This is quiet cool http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbMNR6TCcAA7fbC.jpg
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December 11, 2013 at 10:23 AM
scroll up in this thread, it’s already here..
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December 11, 2013 at 10:25 AM
rohansippy @ DM FAV RT ? 9 hours ago
Juhu beach- to the Victor, the spoils!
All the best to Mr Acharya, his cast & crew, can’t wait to see D3! pic.twitter.com/hmnfJgJaKy
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December 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM
Yes Sorry i didnt see it here’s another one http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbLsqiACAAAuMUh.jpg
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December 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM
added this to the thread, better image.
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December 11, 2013 at 10:34 AM
Disappointed for Abhi, he is almost getting the same footage as Uday..even though Abhi’s career is not doing well at the moment he is being portrayed as a side actor. He should not sign up for the next one in the series
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December 11, 2013 at 10:37 AM
the irony here is that when he was at his absolute lowest point he got BB where he was the ‘star’ of that show in very many ways in terms of the role he got and the attention in the advertising as well. He certainly wasn’t lesser in any sense. Now he has BB behind him, the film worked, he got a lot of attention for the part and he’s getting this sort of deal in D3. On the other hand he once again seems to have a great deal in HNY. Doesn’t make any sense. If anything Dhoom is the safest franchise. The producer doesn’t have to go this far. It’s like LRM after Munnabhai. You don’t have to change anything irrespective of how Dutt is doing elsewhere. Here with Dhoom it’s even better because you already have Aamir on board. Nonetheless they’ve systematically constructed a campaign where pretty much everywhere they’ve left out Abhishek. He still gets a somewhat better deal on the stills (which probably get lost in the larger campaign) but elsewhere from the promotions to the trailers to the videos games, at every point in this campaign there’s been this baffling imbalance which simply makes no sense. D2 had parity whatever might have happened later. Here it’s quite clear that Abhishek’s looking sharp, he will probably still have a much better showing here than D2 but somehow the campaign has been designed almost to efface him. Just very strange. Even in the film he doesn’t have a single song. Bizarre.
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December 11, 2013 at 10:35 AM
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December 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM
So now we are making up for lost time?
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December 11, 2013 at 12:22 PM
Aditya Chopra apologizes to Abhishek Bachchan
Wednesday, 11th December 2013,06:12
With promotion of the latest Yash Raj action adventure flick, ‘Dhoom 3’ in full swing, it has been noticed that Abhishek Bachchan has not been given the treatment he deserved as a consistent star of the film series. Although seen in both the prequels and an integral part of the third film of the series, he was given a miss at a few promotional events whereas Aamir Khan was focused on in entirety. We heard from a source that at the First Look launch of the film ‘Dhoom 3’, it was Aamir Khan who stole the show with his interaction while Abhishek was reduced to a quiet presence in the background. It was noticed at a few other promotional events too where Abhishek was conspicuously missing, especially at the Music launch of the film where Aamir along with co-star Katrina Kaif were present. It was later revealed that Abhishek had no idea about the event. It is no secret that Aamir loves taking centre stage and being in control at everything he does. But it was surprising to note the marketing team of ‘Dhoom 3’ skipping such a valuable detail.
Being a gentleman, Abhishek Bachchan decided to bite the bullet. Instead of bringing the injustice to the forefront, he stayed calm and let it pass. Another source said that although he was not comfortable with the way Aamir Khan was gathering attention at his expense, Abhishek wanted to keep quiet about it. It was then that the Yash Raj Production Team realized their mistake and Aditya Chopra was seen visiting Abhishek Bachchan to apologize and make amends for the injustice meted out to him by the team.
Abhishek Bachchan had reportedly sustained injury during workout in December. Nevertheless, he appeared for the promotional launch of the movie with his torn elbow and did not make a fuss about it. After such dedication towards his work and responsibility, the kind of treatment he has received is uncalled for. And one cannot forget that Abhishek Bachchan has had a long standing relationship with the Yash Raj Banner and has several Yash Raj hits to his name.
Realizing their oversight, Aditya Chopra with team in tow visited Abhishek Bachchan to apologize and make amends. We do not know what words passed between them. But all seems forgiven and back on track. Well, it is never too late to say sorry, what say, Aditya Chopra?
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December 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM
don’t know if there’s any truth to the apology bit and so forth but this story is suddenly doing the rounds..
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December 11, 2013 at 12:39 PM
Satyam, whats the source for this article?
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December 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Bollywood Mantra but this same story has appeared in Zee News, India Today, a number of other places as well. As is always the case it’s essentially one story appearing in different places with slight variations. The original source here might have been either Midday or Mumbai Mirror. Yes those very ‘reliable’ sources!
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December 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM
Hall of shame-D3/ yrf/aamir–the timeline
My Sympathies for abhishrek bachchan…
Now this perverse under representation of abhishrek on the the promos/stills was obvious and not shocking given his box office.
I called out on that
And posted some news reports here..,
Snippets of Response –some aamir fans ignored it!!!
Few aamir fans ‘mutually decided’ these weren’t true and that “aamir can’t do it!!”
Those like Satyam opined that “these have been doing the rounds for some time but I didn’t post because I don’t think they are true!”
I think it’s disappointing to see this ‘smallness” shown by yrf/ aamir and moreover by some of the fans
One can’t prove the exact role of aditya & aamir, but it’s NOT possible that omitting abhishrek repeatedly was done without thief knowledge /approval
Really shameful indeed !!
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December 11, 2013 at 12:59 PM
“Bollywood Mantra but this same story has appeared in Zee News, India Today, a number of other places as well. The original source here might have been either Midday or Mumbai Mirror”
So there are MULTIPLE sources of these reports and it’s being PROVED by actual footage/promos/presence of stars!!
But still there’s denial!!
Standard response –“As is always the case it’s essentially one story appearing in different places with slight variations. ”
I mean, this is NOT really gonna change the box office/fate of unis film or the careers of dhoom3 or of either aamir, katrina or even abhishrek
Or of the lives of fans of abhishrek/ bachchan /aamir either!
But this shows certain objectionable intent/actions of those involved.
For a long while, I have dissed abhishrek bcos I have got frustrated with his continued underperformance!!
But in this occasion, kudos to abhishrek for behaving so maturely and with ‘restraint’!
Abhishrek has truly shown class and his background (though I hope he had it in him to show some spine sometimes!
As for some bachchan fans like Satyam–
I don’t wanna dig up actual quotes but your initial responses were–
“These reports are not true!”
” they have appeared in many places and I have read them but I don’t feel they are true!”
I can see that abhishrek needs hits one way or another, but stating quiet for quite a long time, u have cheated abhishrek
It’s only when it became crystal clear (!) that abhishrek hasn’t even been invited to events, has for zero song –that u have come out in the open!
Feel for abhishrek bachchan –his few fans also don’t deserve him!!
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December 11, 2013 at 1:03 PM
LOL, since your descriptions don’t match anything I’ve actually said, since you’re also ripping out of context some of the things I might have said I don’t feel obliged to respond to all of this beyond stating the obvious on the larger point — a story whether partially or completely true, partially or completely false, doesn’t acquire more plausibility when 10 sources report it if all ten can ultimately be traced to same one (in this case unreliable source). I am not commenting on the veracity of this story or any other. Just talking about the larger point here which I also made with the K3 gross. The same story being spun a hundred times doesn’t make it more true. More importantly these aren’t then a 100 stories but just one!
But would you have said exactly the same thing if Hrithik had been here instead of Aamir? Yes the D2 advertising had parity more or less but when you also love the narrative of Hrithik trouncing Abhishek there or whatever I don’t here you say that Hrithik also had advantages here in a lot of ways including having the love angle and so forth. This was hardly the fairest thing imaginable. D3 I still think will have Abhishek doing a lot better than this. Yes despite the completely one-sided campaign so far. Nonetheless if you have a problem with D3 you should also have one with D2. Abhishek was going through a hot phase then so they didn’t advertise things this way but do you really think Hrithik would have objected if he’d been at the center of this sort of campaign?! He wouldn’t have and you wouldn’t have either!
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December 11, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Satyam: I can understand poor abhishreks ‘silence’ since he has to support a daughter now and a high -maintenance wife (besides his own lacklustre career!)
But what’s your big problem and denial ? Zilch
Just fan opportunism and pseudo tagging to aamir??
Disappointing indeed…
“Just talking about the larger point here which I also made with the K3 gross. The same story being spun a hundred times doesn’t make it more true. More importantly these aren’t then a 100 stories but just one!”
Why can’t u see the MORE likely possibility?
That those TEN sources (whatever the actual truth) are MORE likely to be true!
Just because u don’t like what they are seeing, u are closing your eyes ?
U had the same denial when k3 beat chennai express according to many sources
And now even aditya has gone to abhishrek to APOLOGISE and u are still in denial
Just bcos u don’t wanna accept the realities these events point out to ?
Ie
A girl is stripping in front of u–just by closing your eyes, she won’t suddenly get dressed up again
Or perhaps the opposite analogy is more apt here!! 🙂
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December 11, 2013 at 1:17 PM
LOL, I see you haven’t answered my hrithik questions!
by the way it’s ok to come up with decent analogies once in a while. With you everything comes down to women being stripped or women being bedded. Much as every discussion gets translated into all kinds of sexual imagery, also involving women. Man I pity the girl who ends up with you!
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December 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM
This is more apex critising aamir than supporting abhishek. Any little advantage he can seek he’ll take it. The irony is hrithik ‘took’ the advantage in d2 and apex will claim it to be his talent or screen presence did it. Its obvious a fanatic can only see through this narrow view. We get it apex. Everything hrithik does is great and everything aamir does is deceitful or cheating. In addition abhishek is rubbish only till the point aamir does something against him. Then lets praise abhishek. All roads lead to hell for aamir and heaven for hrithik. Dude get a new record player. This ones been spinning for ages on the same tune.
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December 11, 2013 at 1:28 PM
You know sexual innuendo can be funny when used sparingly or as a surprise tactic. But when every comment has “” over words with double meaning the kid is clearly either learning about biology or is going through puberty or is downright perverse. Dude get a ‘grip’
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December 11, 2013 at 7:06 PM
His use of apostrophes is ‘atrocious’ :p
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December 11, 2013 at 1:30 PM
D3- the ‘smallness’ of yrf& aamir!
There’s a difference between d2 & d3, Satyam in that sense!
I’m suprised u didn’t note…
Hritik totally overshadowed abhishrek ONscreen but to be fair, most (forget abhishrek!) would have suffered at the hands of hritik there!
But there was NO perverse shady humiliation of abhishrek in the sense if being tagged with uday chopra
Not being invited to events as such!
Abhishrek was still billed as a hero and was presented such (though Hritiks obvious strengths there trumped him big time!)
FINALLY—
The most shameful thing here is this ‘APOLOGY’ by aditya&/or aamir!!
Even this is NOT spontaneous or well intentioned!!
The insecure aamir and aditya have seen these numerous reports in media
That are growing by the day…
Whatever the impact maybe, they don’t want any negative impact from a certain subsection of bachchan fans or non-khan fans (which isn’t a huge number!) but can affect d3 numbers, since they are aiming to beat k3 as a minimum face saving number
I actually don’t mind if some oeople give big statements to Prop up their film (eg praising vfx etc or in JTHJ, hyping yashs last film!)
But this opportunism stinks…
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December 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Ha, thanks for making my point..
By the way whenever you find a girl you should tell her she’ll have to share you with Hrithik..
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December 11, 2013 at 1:37 PM
Lol
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December 11, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Apex hritihk is ten out of ten. Aamir is zero out of ten. You happy now? Hritihk is a big star…in fact he is also Santa Claus and will buy you a big Xmas gift for all your support throughout 2013. Maybe a krrish3 action figure?
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December 11, 2013 at 8:46 PM
for far too long i have felt that things have not been hunky dory between the bachchans and YRF clan..maybe the Ash-Rani dynamic have soured their relationship.
At this point, Abhi has to just grin and bear it..somehow I feel Abhi may get positive reviews for D3, given that D3 is more of a departure from the lighthearted movies that the first two parts were
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December 11, 2013 at 10:07 PM
this makes a lot of sense lucifer – rani might be the real culprit here – indirectly though…..
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December 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM
D2 Emasculation/ Hritik ash kissathon!
Ha Satyam–now u are being a ‘sore loser’
Admit and own up–it’s easy really..
be a man –don’t frantically fish for lifelines here lol
As for hritik -must admit-he Was guilty in participating in the
EMASCULATION exercise in D2!
Though when it’s ash in the picture to be kissed (!) can’t blame him really !
He would be a non-man to refuse an ash-kiss!!!
The REAL culprit there was again aditya !!
Let’s not say ‘what’s the big deal!’
I will dissect why that emasculation was a big deal.
It wasn’t Europe or even America but conservative india!
We were not talkng about mallika sherawat
Or a sunny leone
Or even a deepika padukone who is ever willing to ‘help out’ everyone from srk to saif to ranbir or ranveer to xyz on the road with (atleast) a kiss lol
We were talking about ash
Who had never truly ‘exposed’
Never really kissed on screen (properly)
Who had maintained a certain ‘dignity’ (unlike those like deepika)
And abhishrek was recently engaged or married or something like that !
And I guess even abhishrek had NOT kissed ash by then
(Since ash had been busy with salman and then Oberoi!)
Then suddenly she was forced to do this marathon kiss and bikini number
(& that too with cuckold abhishrek watching!!)
The FINAL clinching factor that must have KILLED abhishrek is
That
How can we blame poor hritik
When even Ash visibly ENJOYED that kiss with hritik 🙂
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December 12, 2013 at 10:01 AM
Apex what is with your disrespectuful nicknames for actors? Cut it out, please
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December 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Haha cute chimpu Arun–
Many came and went,
Many will come and go
Many tried to ‘treat’ but needed ‘treatment’ 🙂
In other words–
Aaja sab ko dikha de ban besharam…
Dil khole seena taane ban besharam
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December 11, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Sonil Dedhia in Mumbai
“I am shifting my base to Hollywood,” proclaims Uday Chopra, who will establish the family production house Yash Raj Films (YRF) Entertainment in the West.
The 40-year-old actor, who has moved on from acting as he realises he will never be a star, now heads YRF’s international films division, and is meeting up with some of the biggest Hollywood stars.
He will, however, always return for Dhoom movies
http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-uday-chopra-my-father-thought-i-was-an-idiot/20131211.htm
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December 12, 2013 at 8:40 AM
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December 12, 2013 at 10:17 AM
Aamir & Kamal haasan together at Chennai International Film Festival http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbShq_zCAAEp29y.jpg
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December 12, 2013 at 1:37 PM
A great evening.
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December 12, 2013 at 10:20 AM
Aamir on Cover of Filmfare December Issue http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbSmnTjIIAAhcxy.png
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December 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM
Watched bits of this d3 group press conference.
Aamir os alright but he looks tired n old. As for abhishrek, wonder where does all this wit n timing go when he comes ONscreen?
But the important question is–WHAT is katrina wearing? Is it a slit nightie with something she could lay her hands on to cover up?
Or is it a reaction after the previous press conference (pic in the link below) wherein there were upskirt moments 🙂
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Actress Katrina Kaif, who has finally opened up to the media, made light of Kareena and Ranbir Kapoor’s conversation on Koffee with Karan, by saying whatever they said was a joke.
She said this during the press conference of Dhoom: 3, which is set to hit the screens on December 20.
Watch: Go Kamli with Katrina Kaif in Dhoom 3
Asked how she reacted to Kareena’s comment on Koffee with Karan where Kareena said she would dance to Katrina’s hit songs at Ranbir’s wedding, Katrina said: “Kareena and Ranbir are cousins so they pull each other’s legs. There is no such thing like that. They said it as a joke. I don’t think they were serious.”
She was then asked on which song would she perform at Ranbir’s wedding, to which Katrina said: “If for some reason, I have to dance on a song at Ranbir’s wedding, I would dance on the Besharam song.”
Reacting to Ranbir’s statement that Katrina is a special person in his life and he would like to give his life for her, she said: “I would like to give my life to anyone who needs and who is a dear friend. If Ranbir is ever in need, I will definitely be there for him.”
Additionally, the actress says she has no plans to get married for the next 20 to 30 years. She said, “It’s final and lock it. I am not getting married to anyone right now for the next 20 to 30 years.”
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/katrina-kaif-ranbir-kapoor-besharam-dhoom-3/1/330550.html
Ps: seems katrina is also thinking of living for 20-30 years with dog(s) and /or lesbianism 🙂
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December 12, 2013 at 5:41 PM
What an apt song chosen by Katrina .—If she is ever made to dance @ ranbirs wedding!
— btw Kat can even be witty (when she wants to!) & has a nice ‘choice’ lol
Coincidentally a personal favorite song of mine 🙂
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December 15, 2013 at 4:03 AM
the best poster of d3 so far
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December 15, 2013 at 6:22 AM
I don’t think this interview has been put up, so here is Aamir speaking to Bollywood Hungama’s Faridoon Sharyar, on Dhoom 3, expectations, promise, hopes, fears, nervousness, the lot. First part of the full interview.
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/video/type/view/id/2352301
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December 15, 2013 at 2:14 PM
this was put up here before.. waiting for the other parts..
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December 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/i-m-probably-the-actor-who-earns-the-least-in-the-industry-aamir-khan/article1-1162765.aspx
“The formula is whatever your weekend is, the first three days, you take that and you take the total collections that the film ultimately does. For example, 3 Idiots (2009) made Rs. 202 crore in India, with weekend collections of Rs. 40 crores, I think. 40 multiplied by 5 is 200. That indicates to me that it was a very well loved film.”
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December 16, 2013 at 4:16 AM
The debacle surrounding the box office of income of Krrish 3 is one of 2013′s most infamous scandals. With Dhoom 3 seeking a release next week, Koimoi asked the opinion of film’s lead actor Aamir Khan on the same.
The perfectionist actor retorted saying, “Numbers have been getting fudged since forever. There is nothing new about it. But if one decides to manipulate figures they are fooling themselves. There is no merit in doing that.”
The actor continued saying, “The best yardstick to see how your film has fared is to check how many weekends has the film run. A film that is heavily performed will earn for multiple weekends. In my opinion it shows how consistently the film has earned.”
http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/aamir-khan-comes-vocal-on-krrish-3s-fudged-box-office-collections/
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December 16, 2013 at 4:18 AM
Apex will really love Aamir after this!
Of course I agree completely with Aamir..
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December 16, 2013 at 6:10 AM
A couple of statements that make sense from Aamir with regards box office. The Krrish 3 box office reports is definitely one for the record books, the record books of how to fool your audience! the “tail” off in numbers is quite dramatic after 2 weeks and is convincing enough to suggest the numbers were fudged highly. No one will know the exact figures, whether it broke records or not. What is clear is Taran mentioned it broke records and then claimed D3 is only chasing Chennai Express in so many words. Also Chennai Express and YJHD “lasted” longer. Also sources out there other than producer suggesting a much lower total than 200 crores! The Roshans haven’t proved their numbers to be “right” but that’s hardly a position of guilt as no one does this anyway!
But Aamir’s comments make sense. A successful film will run, and even in today’s time will run for more than 2 weeks. The “social audit” is more or less “trending” and is a very apt way of describing it.
On D3, this is going to be historic. Some reports on advance booking already around and it’s going to be historic. This is the clearest indication, Friday is definitely D(h)oom’s day for some!
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December 16, 2013 at 7:46 AM
yes looks to be the sort of initial that will be once again way in excess of anything any other film has done. And then we’ll be back to that stale game of every other star’s films trying to reach the same benchmark by hook or by crook! 5 months later or 20 years later!
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December 16, 2013 at 11:49 AM
A well made thriller has less repeat value than a well made drama . A mediocre thriller will do better business than mediocre drama. I think initial would be good but follow through would be decent.
Empty week helps movies which are average or better. If it is a rejected movie it doesn’t help. An empty week will help R..Rajkumar but not Besharam.
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December 16, 2013 at 8:52 AM
No one is putting K3 in 200 crore club except RR and his paid minions
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/small-budget-films-triumph-as-100-club-finds-new-members/1207923/
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December 16, 2013 at 5:26 AM
Aamir is old-school in some ways — that’s a compliment.
I am sadly going to miss Dhoom3 during the first weekend (the sacrifices one makes for a wedding!). But Abhishek is looking meaner here than in quite a while, and the more stills I see of him, the more I like what I see (nothing like the ridiculous Hawaiian shirt from D2).
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December 16, 2013 at 7:48 AM
weddings have to be smartly planned so as not to clash with films. If they do one should try and show up for the wedding.
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December 16, 2013 at 8:32 AM
Or finish off the wedding mahurat during the afternoon show so that you can head off to the theaters in the evening show and then the night show is of course going to be all yours & hers!!!!!
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January 29, 2014 at 2:30 AM
Just back from the post-wedding trip! and there is a lot of film catching up to do…
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December 16, 2013 at 12:01 PM
‘Aamir is old-school in some ways.’ Exactly. And that’s a good thing for me.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:12 PM
To me most Aamir interviews are extremely sensible. Sometimes he repeats himself, but I still find his commonsense so refreshing. He once talked about a film needing to make 10% profit at least, so every employee down to spotboy could be paid.But many commenters find him boring.
I suppose SRK’s non-stop talk is more entertaining. Yet, occasionally even SRK indulges in what is generally termed verbal diahorrea. He is funny, but he can go on talking in circles — and that can get boring after a point.
I have not seen Salman give memorable interviews. A few now and then, but then the guy is mostly action, in reel and real life.
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December 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Common sense has truly become uncommon these days. Aamir talks of such simple, sensible statements. But the fans who are clubs-obsessed, who is going to talk to them? It is better to walk away. I think the Roshans were pretty ok with K3 making it to the 100 cr club. But CE spoiled their party. Since CE is supposed to have touched 200 (with lesser variance from different ‘reliable’ sources), they HAD to cross it, by hook or crook. They fell prey to this club-entry, considered anything below 200 a ‘presitige’ issue and they went over-board stressing ON the numbers and motor-mouthing its ‘quality’, and ‘quantity.’
Agreed some people are waiting with bated breath for D3 to fail so that Aamir can be crucified for considering the Roshans to be ‘dubious!’
Agree with Qalandar – Aamir is refreshingly old-school and sometimes his talks sound simplistic – but they are really plain, simple truths which when uttered in these days, count as planned and Machiavellian.
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December 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM
So..what’s to keep Katrina’s boobs from bouncing ? She’s wearing a dishrag for a top…plus alittle airbrushing in the posters.
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December 16, 2013 at 11:07 AM
Hehe maggie–u know how to keep me in good spirits lol
“So..what’s to keep Katrina’s boobs from bouncing ?”–
Ok don’t worry–I will be kind to provide her ‘external support’ 🙂
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December 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Kat : “u are so ‘supportive’…thanks. Can I have some more ‘support’.
Me: welcome, my pleasure..
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December 18, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Oh right..right..the ‘hands on’ approach’ 😛
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December 18, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Yo Maggie: will have to ‘hand’ it to u 😉
Oh ok–lemme visualise that ‘scene’– hhawwww…….
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December 16, 2013 at 9:55 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/YRF-logo-changes-for-Dhoom-3/articleshow/27467553.cms?
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December 16, 2013 at 10:52 AM
2nd part of the interview with Aamir – wonderful thinking on the difference between a ‘well-earning’ film and a ‘well-liked’ film –
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December 16, 2013 at 11:04 AM
yes he talked about this on the Johar show as well and he’s quite right.. plus this isn’t just a ‘moral’ difference. It shows up in the trending all too clearly.
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December 16, 2013 at 11:17 AM
It’s been proven repeatedly that ‘trending’ is important but not without an ‘initial’…
In D3: the initial will be humungous due to the franchise, big star cast, aamir, katrina and so on, but aamir is not really the clincher in that.
‘Trending’ (as aamir has admitted many many times) after the first weekend is more dependent on the content/product and as aamir has said many times, in the brilliant three idiots was due to factors like hirani/abhijat joshi onwards.
Once in a while, a film comes up where a star circumvents borderline content into a big initial and even big trending.
Memento/southern remake ghajini was not one such instance nor was Gupte lifted Tzp (which wasn’t a big hit)
In recent years (past 5-6 years), aamir got a chance to show his star power in talaash–the result is there to see… 🙂
As for dhoom3: it’s uncanny that the likes of aamir have started chirping about k3 now (after Hritiks obvious problems) knowing he or RR won’t be bothering about clarifying about numbers at this stage.
Aamir should be thanking HR for gifting him a 350 crores plus film on a platter rather than this theorising about numbers. When he talks about trending, one should utter only one word –talaash 🙂
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December 16, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Talaash was a lovely film that made a decent amount of money without flopping. And that’s all that matters for cinema lovers — not how much money a film made. I am so glad that aamir had the guts to make Talaash, a risky film in many ways.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM
“a risky film in many ways.”–
Yup LS–it’s ‘risky’ to be gallivanting late hours with prostitute Kareena dressed in clothes styled better than she usually gets!
It’s ‘risky’ to starve your ‘die hard fans’ for four years to prevent ‘over exposure’
It’s ‘risky’ to tag with a big production house excel and use their marketing /production facilities rather than producing this ‘risky’ subject yourselves
It’s ‘risky’ casting another topnotch heroine rani (if one wasn’t enough) and make her play a crowd pleasing ‘domesticated’ (but relatively hot) housewife
It’s ‘risky’ to copy kahaanis style but changing /reshooting it later on when this got picked up and delaying three films in a row for that–talaash, dhoom3, peekay …
It’s ‘risky’ to go with Kareena into a hotel room and then chickening out at the last moment to avoid getting ‘exposed’ due to ‘underperformance!’ 🙂
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December 16, 2013 at 1:05 PM
Complete BS about copying Kahaaani. Talaash was being made even while Kahani was being readied for release. And yes, this supernatural story was NOT a safe film likely to become a blockbuster. But what’s the use of arguing with somebody whose view of Aamir is clearly jaundiced and coloured.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM
you shouldn’t take Apex too seriously when it comes to Aamir (or any other matter!). I liked Kahaani but liked Talaash a lot more. The former was certainly fine in every sense, most notably on the feel of the city but Talaash was a much more interesting film in my book. Probably my favorite Aamir film in many years. Not necessarily saying it’s his very best but the one that I liked most. It was also the rare Bollywood film with a major actor that was truly sincere and wasn’t made for the numbers. Not that there’s anything wrong with the latter but with more interesting subjects a greater integrity is required. Most of the time Bollywood does ‘pretend’ different.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM
Let’s leave kahaani–since it can’t be proved.
So u agree that all the other points are true lol…
Kool it LS–even u are becoming like sons fanatic/ zealots here..
Lemme give u some ‘support’ ooops, no coffee 😉
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December 16, 2013 at 1:45 PM
@ Alex –I certainly don’t agree with your points, but ok, have your fun. :).I am going to stop falling into your argument trap . In any case I am currently enjoying some ok-ish films at a local film fest. And then there’s D3 next week. So, for me, plenty of cinema around this month.
Goodnight all.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:53 PM
“but ok, have your fun. :)”– so u are ‘consenting’ to the ‘fun’ lol.
Btw LS– u shouldn’t join this cult of zealot fans–and u should come up with a writeup or reviews of the madras film fest –thanx
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December 16, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Finally Dhoom 3 is here. …….
A good one year later than initially declared and god only knows the reasons for such a delay….. In the meantime Aamir has tried to keep Peekay as a back up lest things don’t work out here as planned! The gap would be suicidal
I still feel aamir is all wrong for this kind of movie and even the justification of a good script does not seal it unless movie has been made in a really interesting manner. I am sure Talaash for all its worth on paper could not project what it set out to do and that too with some reshoots etc requested by Aamir.
Archarya , the director is interesting and hope he has not made a slow boring torcher in the name of script I wish to be pleasantly surprised and I do want aamir to do well here.
Ideally Akki is the dashing hero for this kind of subject after Abraham and Hritik. Anupma Chopra’s interview was a bit on the mark when she questioned him why the movie is all angry and continuous frown on aamir’s face. Then Aamir – Katrina pairing too is so way off the mark.
In the past two movies of aamir with huge expectation did not do much and one of them Mela was a disaster but Fanaa did hold a bt of audience attention but nothing what the hype suggested. Rest aamir movies do well with surprise element esp RDB , Dil Chahta and Lagaan etc
Would be a interesting phase for Aamir anyway we look at it.
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December 18, 2013 at 1:05 PM
@ apex — I am not a zealot fan of Aamir; just a regular fan who speaks up when provoked – and you have provoked plenty since Dhoom 3 promotions began.
Watched my last film fest fare this evening. The Great Beauty, Italy’s entry for the Oscars.Liked it, but did not love it.Good satire, wit, philosophy, music, cynicism, the lot. Could have been shortened by twenty minutes. My favourite film is an Iranian film Parviz, a black comedy.Watched 8 films totally through the film fest week.
Next — Dhoom 3.
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December 16, 2013 at 11:28 AM
On another note, Jai Ho trailer was such an anti climax and clearly wtf after those posters. I mean thobda toh shahid kapoor bhi phod rela hai aajkal ….
Hope the movie has some depth because we have recently seen Boss/ Sahib Singh / Bullet Raja / Rajkumar in the same mode. They should immediately bring a romantic feel to the movie
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December 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM
As for Dhoom 3– as I’ve said before–
EVERYTHING is set up and it’s like a half-volley crying /pleading to be hit for a six (into the record books!)
If such a scenario—if one is fair—
Anything less than 350 crores domestic net should be v disappointing and infact shameful for aamir and the team.
But I feel that they should achieve it –all the best to team dhoom 3..
If they fail, it will be a dark day for aamir and also the proponents of unlimited exponential extrapolation of trending like Satyam who feel that a well liked film can go on and on into weeks and weeks and that the public has limitless moolah, time n attention.
I’m not saying it’s wrong and am hoping aamir delivers ATLEAST 350 crores here because if there’s a film that can do it and wherein this limitless theory can be truly tested, it is dhoom 3 (even more than jai ho or peekay or whatever !)
So remember folks–The key figure for dhoom3 is
Domestic net
350 crores
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December 16, 2013 at 11:45 AM
“Anything less than 350 crores domestic net should be v disappointing and infact shameful for aamir and the team…”
Lol !! Disappointing tak toh theek hai but atleast dont say ‘ shameful ‘ .
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December 16, 2013 at 12:01 PM
I would say 200 crores is a given and looking at the craze if the movie is even half decent this will touch 250+ crores surely and 300 crores is possible with a decent to above average movie. If this movie is as liked as 3I then 350 crores +. This has to be the most hyped movie by a distance in the last 5 years.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:16 PM
To anybody who is remotely interested , the latest Koffee show featuring Karan, Aamir and Kiran.–
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/celebrities/features/type/view/id/5904
Aamir and Kiran’s Koffee with Karan was good fun; watched it on tv last night.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM
One bad report and things will change dramatically. I belive K3 had a better chance at 300cr. Aamir is not all young for such a project though Kat is a definite attraction but we saw how she completely ruined JTHJ for yrf.
Ticket prices dont permit a major repeat viewing domestically unless humor is first rate. Keep in mind the movie is 3 hours long and the turn around is not so quick.
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December 16, 2013 at 3:21 PM
It seems the ticket prices at some halls are as high as 900 Rs. Thats quite a substantial hike and I hope that some political party protests against this indiscriminate hike…
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December 16, 2013 at 12:24 PM
“Disappointing tak toh theek hai but atleast dont say ‘ shameful ‘”
Nope I truly mean what I said !!
If one is to look for terms like ‘disappointing’ or ‘par’ etc, dnoom3 will have to do 400 and 450 crores respectively.
I chose my words carefully by terming it as ‘shameful’ if it is less than 350 cr(wh)ores!
I’m not here to push angendae like some here. It’s a fact.
And what has aamir being doing all this while since ghajini /3I ??
It’s like paying for a (so-called) 10dulkar or Lara or messi in your team and feed him millions to perform for u—
And when the World Cup comes, u don’t expect him to have diarrhea!!!
He better performs big time or else be kicked & made to ‘pay’.
if one chalks up TEN factors to produce a record breaking blockbuster, and fulfils all of them–
Dhoom3 has TWENTY in its favour !!!
So yeah –things are measured in context—
<350 crores will be shameful lol
If I wanted to be difficult or naughty I could have quoted a bigger figure –since the truth is that a par tally here will be 450 crores 🙂
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December 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM
Apex you do have a point wrt to 10dulkar or Lara or messi analogy but domestic market is not ready for such huge numbers in my opinion due to tickets prices and disposal income at hand for moviegoers. ….unless this is out of the world movie with universal appeal and has something for all sections with great repeat value.
Most Indian movies will wind up close to 250cr domestically at most -either front loaded or big tender. This is the market for hindi movies in current scenario. I doubt this is a current Sholay from any angle from the promos.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:06 PM
U are saying what I’ve been telling for ages here (& it keeps getting proved by every big release!)
It’s Satyam and his cohort who propose this limitless extrapolation of numbers that goes on and on in a ‘liked’ film.
And I’ve opposed this all along (& results prove it!)
But imo in dhiom3 , lots of factors are working out in unison simultaneously capable of producing SUPRA-ADDITIVE returns.
So yeah–it’s possible to breach 400 or even 450 here!!
But if D3 doesn’t it–it will be a v sad day for -aamir and Satyam/ co unfortunately–I stay optimistic though and want d3 to succeed …
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December 16, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Apex, let’s not keep drowning the forum with useless comments. Let’s just agree that Hrithik will have a big one in d3 and move on.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:20 PM
In 2006
Hrithik in Krrish made 70 crores
Hrithik in D2 made 80 crores.
That’s 14% more. The film also released later in the year with more screens.
In 2013
Hrithik in K3 made 175 crores or for the blind and impaired 230 crore…whatever it is the same assessment can be made.
D3 has to make 350 crore, that too just to avoid being called a disappointment. To be a success it needs to make 400 or 500 crore.
Hmmmm….
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December 16, 2013 at 7:37 PM
yeah i just do not get where the 350cr number is coming from??? if it does 350cr..ill be VERY surprised…220cr-240cr is my expectation for D3.
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December 16, 2013 at 8:38 PM
If D3 just makes 220-240 it will have underperformed. Simply no two ways about it. Actually anything less than 300 is an underperformance in my book. 3I did 205 in 2009. CE just did as much or more (if you believe the higher numbers). Here we’re looking at a historic initial by a mile, if the film is liked just as much as D2 there’s no reason why it shouldn’t do 300 at the very least. If you take this sort of film and assume less than Ghajini-like trending let alone 3I-like you’ll get this. Of course films can always underperform but one must separate what is possible for a film versus what might happen if it doesn’t live upto expectations. And again my 300 number doesn’t assume some massively like film. Actually, and I’ve said this before, for D3 to match the D2 numbers in every sense it would have to do 350 or more. It ‘seems’ unreasonable till it happens. Also remember the reason many films don’t do this is because they’re poor works that are enough to draw an initial but are not really liked. It’s absurd to say that 185 or so is a great total for YJHD and then to set the bar for films like Krrish or Dhoom just a bit higher than this. Again remember before Ghajni happened no one thought those kinds of numbers were possible, to an extent this was true even for D2. And of course this was true for 3I. When you have something like ETT doing 140-150 in week 1 and then not even getting to 200 that’s not because this is some impossible barrier but for the reason that it just fizzled out after a huge initial. CE without Krrish or Dhoom kind of billing crossed 200. Decent trending but hardly spectacular in any sense.
All of this is about potential and what seems likely based on the trailers (for instance I found Krrish weak on this score). This doesn’t mean a film cannot underperform. Again less likely here given what we know about the film but anything’s possible. Even a good film can do this if it is ‘good’ in ways not entirely to the audience’s taste. I really don’t see that happening here. I mention only because those possibilities are always there even for the safest films. But yes less than 300 is an underperformer in my book. And given the initial it will generate for it to end up in your range it would basically be doing an ETT if not worse.
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December 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM
When Ghajini did 115, most other big movies were doing 80-90. 3 Idiots is an outlier (other big movies were still doing 80-90 crore or even less). If any movie which is liked like 3 Idiots , it would do 400 crore (because current big movies are doing 170-210 crore). I think like other big movies it could do 225 crore and that would be par for D3. If it does more than 250 it would be liked better than current lot. 300 would be good. Anything below 200 would be underperformance.
ps – If it does 250-275 then it would be like Ghajini.
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December 16, 2013 at 10:34 PM
when Ghajini opened to around 55 crores (not counting extended week) the initial for every other film hadn’t even exceeded 45 crores, actually it was in the low 40s in most cases, some of the numbers were cooked. When Ghajini did 115 D2 was the only film at 85. no other film had even crossed 70. Everyone had Krrish at 70. The difference between D2 and Ghajini was therefore very significant. Now in fairness Ghajini released two years after D2 but even in the interim no film had done as much with the exception of OSO which was initial pegged at 80-85 but later numbers were reduced even by BOI. Some had RMBDJ at 80. I think this was high too but in any case still way behind Ghajini both in terms of initial and final gross. When D2 released it did around 32-35 crores (again depending on who you believe) while the next highest initials (KANK, Krrish) were in the 26-28 range. So most big films weren’t doing 80-90 at all when Ghajini released. But leaving this aside consider the metrics of the franchise. D2 made roughly 2.5 times its initial. The first Dhoom did something similar. Even with no stars at that point and even using BOI numbers it was only slightly behind MHN the same year, it did as much As Dhawan’s MSK with Askhay and Salman. The point is this film has always done very well (I got into the Dhoom details sometime back but the idea that this was a small film that went to another level with D2 is something of a myth.. it was of course made bigger with the stars and so on but the first one already had very big numbers). And so if you assume an ETT start or better (I think the latter) you are looking at 150 crores minimally for week 1. Maybe more. Even going with a more conservative number a Ghajini-like graph would give it 300. Which would still be short of the trending patterns exhibited by the earlier two films. I do agree on the 3I number being worth 400 in today’s money. Even a Dhoom is unlikely to do this because popcorn genres ultimate don’t connect in deep enough ways for this to happen. They’re calling this the most emotional Dhoom yet but still it would take a remarkably strong script and/or moments for that to be possible. But my claim has for very long been the opposite one whether it was 100 crores or 200. I think a lot more films should have been able to hit these thresholds without most of it being the initial. In other words a lot more 75 crore week 1 numbers should have led to 150 crores, so and so forth. But no one’s making anything more than half-decent these days. Most of the time worse than this. So if you make a film only for the initial, if you refuse to work on the script et al the stars, the music or whatever will give you that initial but not surprisingly nothing more. One can’t then say the numbers these films reach are a limit because the films in question are just poor. With Dhoom I expect a vastly better film. But I think ETT could easily have done 250 (it would still have done far less than Ghajini trending). Ultimately without substance no film in any genre can truly set extraordinary benchmarks. Now obviously some genres work better than others in any given age but without good writing there’s no film that can last for very long. LRM had amazing trending. Went to 70 from a week 1 of 21 or so. We know what happened with 3I. Other examples could be offered on a lesser scale but the point is that there is a correlation between quality and final gross. And with quality I just mean a film that the audience can truly be invested in and not just ‘enjoy’.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM
Some wild,arbitrary and inflammatory comments from usual suspects above.
For most people who have their head screwed on right, I think 200 would be a kind of minimum here. I would consider it a non-success if it falls short of 200 crores. Trending would also be important in terms of how it gets to 200 in terms of deciding if it is a well liked film or not.
With a huge opening 200 may not be that difficult but if it trends poorly, would consider it just one more of those front loaded biggies which are profitable but not really well liked.
I am hopeful it will do considerably more but as of now the product is the unknown here.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:04 PM
I think it will comfortably cross all benchmarks by a distance. of course Apex is nonetheless insincere in his remarks and we all know the reasons why!
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December 16, 2013 at 12:29 PM
As for K3, I think it is pretty clear to the sane that the actual final total was short of 200 and those who put up those huge inflated totals and those who defended those should be hanging their heads in shame. If they are capable of feeling shame.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:30 PM
I put up this on a different post by mistake and was probably missed.
Aamir is finally on KWK and first thing Karan asked him was why did he keep on refusing to show till now?
Aamir’s honest and blunt answer- Because I didnt know you well enough and whatever I knew I didnt like!
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December 16, 2013 at 12:54 PM
no I responded to your comment and then put up the episode in the box office thread.
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December 16, 2013 at 1:12 PM
LOL thats awesome…will have to check out the interview then. was planning on skipping it after watching the ranbir/kareena fiasco last week.
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December 16, 2013 at 12:54 PM
booked the tickets for D3 for 20th night 10.15 pm show……
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December 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM
“Uday & I Are Dhoom” : Abhishek Bachchan
December 16, 2013
For Abhishek Bachchan as well as Katrina Kaif, Dhoom 3 is their first release in 2013.
“It’s not as if I planned it that way. After Bol Bachchan in May 2012 my career panned out in such a way that there was no release until now. Dhoom 3 kept getting repeatedly delayed for whatever reasons. And unfortunately for my fans and for Katrina’s fans, there was no release in 2013. It wasn’t planned that way. And I didn’t miss myself on screen. I see myself every day in the mirror.”
Abhishek says he felt no career pangs about being away for a longish time. “By the grace of God, I am not an insecure actor at all. And if you see the career-graph of others no major actor does more than a couple of films per year.Aamir, for that matter, has not been in a film since Talaash a year back.So…no! I don’t feel insecure about not being on screen for some time.”
Abhishek Bachchan has been a constant in the Dhoom franchise’s journey from the time it took off in 2004.
Says Abhishek with a spot of vanity, “Pardon the immodesty, but Uday Chopra and I ARE Dhoom. The franchise chronicles the ongoing adventures of Jai and Ali, that’s me and Uday.That’s the format of the franchise. The other characters may come and go. But we go on forever.Like Batman & Robin. Can there be a Batman franchise without Batman?”
Having said that, Abhishek looks back with much affection at the journey. “From Dhoom to Dhoom 2 and now to Dhoom 3 it has been an amazing journey. To begin with it was the story of the adventures of these 3 boys, me, Uday and John Abraham. Our producer Aditya Chopra suggested we try to re-define the action genre in our cinema. We were all young hopeful and enthusiastic , eager to try out this experiment. How were we to know it would turn out the way it did?!”
Now Abhishek feels the Dhoom franchise is watched for being what it it is. “Yes, there are stars in the film.Dhoom 2 had Hrithik and Aishwarya(and if I may say so, my wife was wonderful in the film). And now Dhoom 3 has Aamir and Katrina. But I think the brand Dhoom is a much larger than starcast.”
Abhishek feels the presence of a new director in the franchise brings all-new challenges to the table. “The other two Dhoom films were not directed by Victor(Vijay Krishna Acharya).So there is a new feel and flavour to the franchise that Uday and I could identify and feel since we are carryovers from the earlier life of the franchise. Victor had a different vision. Fans of the Dhoom series would be surprised by the changes in the franchise. Earlier the focus was on making a fun film. This is an edgier and darker Dhoom than the first two”
Abhishek has no leading lady in Dhoom 3. But he does have Aamir Khan.Abhishek can’t stop raving about his formidable co-star. “I must have been 11 when Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak came out. It changed the way we look at love stories. The nation went crazy.We’ve loved and admired him for the kind of cinema he works in. Working with him was great learning experience.”
Abhishek has lots of action scenes in the film. “Dhoom 3 was physically demanding. But I enjoyed all the action. It was like giving fancy toys to a boy to play with. I got to ride around in motorbikes and to ride these sleek motor-boats through these narrow canals in Chicago.”
As for trade voices already predicting a 200-crore run for Dhoom 3 Abhishek opines nonchalantly, “These are expectations from within the industry. The audience doesn’t care about how much money a film makes. Do you know the collections of your all-time favourite film Amar Prem? Audiences go to a film.They like or dislike it. That’s it.”
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December 17, 2013 at 1:05 AM
“One must stay in their limits only. I think one must aim for Mars… Forget about reaching the Sun. It is not going to happen. It is the same with him. He is the biggest, was, is and is ever going to be. So don`t aspire to be that because it is not going to happen. Aspire to be your own man and achieve your own goals,” Abhishek told PTI in an interview here.
http://zeenews.india.com/entertainment/celebrity/can-t-reach-the-stardom-that-dad-achieved-abhishek-bachchan_147859.html
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December 17, 2013 at 9:51 AM
Have you seen the other films of the Dhoom franchise?
I haven’t seen Dhoom 2. I had seen Dhoom at home with Kiran on television. I found that movie very exciting and lots of fun. I sat till the end. In fact, I loved the music too. I used to dance on my bed whenever I heard the theme soundtrack of the film. Kiran was shocked to see me like this. Unfortunately, I missed the second one. –
Describe Sahir as the villain of Dhoom 3
Sahir is not Amrish Puri kind of negative. He is not actually killing people. It’s not like my role in Fanaa where I am responsible for many people losing their lives. He is the guy who has a past and has gone through an emotional trauma. The script is such that you as an audience and your emotions are with him. He is a character, we are hoping, will win your sympathy.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/my-negative-character-in-dhoom-3-will-win-your-sympathy-aamir-khan/article1-1163083.aspx#sthash.MC2PW4pY.dpuf
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December 17, 2013 at 10:28 AM
I’m going to take a wild guess and say he’s being diplomatic when he says he hasn’t seen the second one!
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December 17, 2013 at 10:32 AM
weirdly he’s maintained that line ever since he’s become part of the franchise. In the ANupama Chopra appearance he implausibly suggested he hadn’t had the time to see it. LOL!
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December 17, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Yeah it is a bit weird. Some of his recent interviews have suggested that when it comes to offering constructive criticism to his cinema and contemporaries, there’s more or less an even split between his candor and his reserve. Think by and large he speaks his mind but also pulls his punches on certain questions, or perhaps is simply being a diplomat. But yeah it’s hard to shake the sense that he simply doesn’t want to field the followup question should he admit he’s seen D2!
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December 17, 2013 at 10:40 AM
that’s probably right because he also goes out of his way to say he really enjoyed the first one. Why wouldn’t you check out the sequel if you liked the initial one so much?! Specially since you’ve had seven years to do so!
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December 17, 2013 at 11:28 AM
Since Aamir is saying that his character is going to win sympathy of audience, that more or less rules out anyone else having a prominent role. Even the faceoffs will have the audience rooting for the ‘bad’ guy. Looks like this will be on the same lines as D2. Yes there will be a greater emotional story but all that will not translate to the other getting a proper character arc. Looks like only Katrina and AK will have bulk of the character development here…
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December 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM
Yes, except unlike in D2, there will be an actual actor in the villain role.
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December 17, 2013 at 1:05 PM
LOL at `actual’ actor !
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December 17, 2013 at 1:59 PM
FANS–real v/s pseudo/simulated vol 4–aamir khan
Now @ the eve of the big success called dhoom3, we see lots of aamir fans here n elsewhere
But what’s interesting is it to tease out the ‘pseudo’ form the ‘real’
Scenario 1
I had put forward the 350 crores minimum target for d3-which is perfectly reasonable give the franchise, stars, genre, production house etc etc
And the REAL aamir fan will agree to that
–as he/she did when he/she admitted that talaash had underperformed big time (& wasn’t aiming to make 70-80 crores!)
The REAL fan agrees that 300 crores should be made around /before the second weekend
ANYTHING less than that, is disappointing
Bcos he/she BELIEVES in their ‘icon’ (whether right or wrong is immaterial!)
The FAKE/strategic fan
Is the FIRST to get INSECURE/FIDGETY to hear these genuine targets facing D3–why?
Bcos in the heart of their hearts, they themselves don’t have faith in aamir and his stardom /ability
His ‘fandom’ is just a public front due to issues like
Abandonment
Being ‘orphaned’ eg bachchan ex-fans trying to regain ‘lost glory’ etc
I’m NOT Aamirs fan as such
But knowing the Setting, franchise, genre, production and Aamirs own script sense & judgment, I feel these numbers 350 crores plus are surely ON…
IF AAMIR KHAN IS WHAT HE IS PEDALLED TO BE ALL THIS–
Time to prove it !!
I feel it is more likely to be achieved than not –wait n watch …
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December 17, 2013 at 2:05 PM
By your own definitions you’re the biggest Aamir fan..
by logical elimination one arrives at this result..
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December 17, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Lol so true…and in fact he cannot be the hrithik fanboy thought him to be…
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December 17, 2013 at 2:21 PM
amir is getting massive attention from the media…is abhi being ignored ,seems to be he is annoyed ,typical media..always ignore bachan..I hope abhi gets credit for this 3rd venture of DHOOM
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December 17, 2013 at 2:26 PM
Anyway since OG was complaining A LOT that Aamir is the PRIME reason for women’s libido hitting rock bottom, here’s her gift – We do have ‘special’ people for such things..why drag poor Aamir into this business when he, of all, says that he is hardly a star!!
http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-birthday-special-celebrating-john-abraham/20131217.htm
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December 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM
“OG was complaining A LOT that Aamir is the PRIME reason for women’s libido hitting rock bottom,”
OG aka Goldie should throw some light on female libidos
Time for a ‘survey’
Infact this survey /poll is open for all girls /women/ guys who think /behave like gals
And those who are of questionable gender (eg anu)
And those who are ‘Sally’ or post as ‘salim’
what makes u ‘libidinous’ or ‘turns u on’? 🙂
Disclaimer : the data from any response(s) will only be used for analytical research meant towards the betterment of (man) kind
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December 17, 2013 at 2:27 PM
“By your own definitions you’re the biggest Aamir fan..
by logical elimination one arrives at this result..”
Haha Satyam–I know u folks find all this confusing & complicated
I’m nobody’s fan
I’m the fan of only ONE thing—
The ‘truth’
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December 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM
“I’m the fan of only ONE thing—
The ‘truth’”
What about all the rhino-man, cheetah-woman (pardon me for getting some of these names wrong.. not at that age anymore) action figures?
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December 17, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Ha Satyam–
U totally lost the context there lol
This is what’s called gettin lost in jungle
And missing the ‘forest for the trees’
Courtesy of this term goes to –who does it go to? I’m forgetting…
Just like some ‘feminists’ lost it totally wrt ‘cock’ tail 🙂
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December 18, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Dhoom Day jee, Can’t take a sick day as our office X-Mas party is on the 20the !!!!!!!
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December 18, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Why don’t you take all your male colleagues to D3 and unwrap her as a gift — on the screen I mean…
For females, you can make 10 copies of D1 or D2 and ask them to ogle at the villains!!! As OG said, unfortunately, Adi has opted for AK who will bring their libidos to a crashing low…
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December 18, 2013 at 7:18 PM
Don’t know how much of this is true–am skeptical as always, even more so after watching K3’s head-turning event – or a publicity stunt –
Kiaara Sandhu @KiaaraSandhu 6h
Cosmopolitan Magazine Review #Dhoom3, Best Action film Ever made in the History of India.@juniorbachchan & @aamir_khan are Outstanding. 5*/5
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December 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM
As the release of the Aamir Khan-starrer draws closer, the IMAX screens have set their prices at Rs. 400-600 for the morning shows and Rs. 700-900 for the night shows, according to their official website.
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December 19, 2013 at 1:06 AM
As Dhoom 3 readies to make its stylised entry at the box office on Friday, it seems that it will not just impact audiences visually but financially as well.
As the film’s release draws closer, the IMAX screens have set their prices at Rs. 400-600 for the morning shows and Rs. 700-900 for
the night shows, according to their official website.
If that is not enough, the film is expected to make waves in Pakistan too.
For a family of five, watching Dhoom 3 could thus mean an expenditure of Rs. 4,500, sans any coke and popcorn!
The prices might seem extravagant and uneconomical for a middle class family but advance booking status on the website shows that the seats are filling up fast and have even been sold out at places.
This might be the status for IMAX screens but others are keeping the ticket price affordable. The cost of tickets in multiplexes ranges between Rs.300-Rs.400.
The prices in New Delhi seem to be lesser than those in Mumbai and range between Rs. 200-Rs.250, with the exception of a few theatres where the prices have gone upto Rs. 500.
Smaller cities like Chandigarh and Jaipur fall in the average price range of Rs. 150-Rs 400. However, there are also places like the Gaiety Galaxy theatre in Bandra where you can enjoy Aamir Khan’s grey character in the action thriller at reasonable rates.
“All the theatres might have been taking advantage of the release of Dhoom 3, but we at Gaiety Galaxy have made it a point to not increase the rate. Our ticket prices remain consistent at Rs. 70-Rs 90,” said Manoj Desai of Gaiety Galaxy. Desai added that the weekend is already pre-booked and he is expecting an identical pattern in the following week as well.
Produced under the Yash Raj Films banner and directed by Vijay Krishna Acharya, the film boasts of a starry cast with Aamir in a new avatar – he will be seen as a gymnast.
Abhishek Bachchan and Uday Chopra will reprise their roles of Jai Dixit and Ali from the last two Dhoom movies and Katrina Kaif will enhances the glamour quotient as the female lead in the movie, which will be Bollywood’s first film to be released in the IMAX format, a specialised film format.
The 2D film is already being appreciated for the stunts featured in the trailer and especially the bike scenes featuring Aamir.
Trade analyst Amod Mehra predicts that the film will surpass the collections of previous blockbusters. “Reality check.. Mark my words…Dhoom 3 will cross Rs. 100 crore in the first three days and it will also cross Rs. 200 crore in the first seven days,” Mehra said in post on Twitter on Wednesday.
Raising the bar of pre-release promotions, the makers have also come up with innovative advertisements with tag lines reading – “It’s Dhoom day…Are you bunking college today”.
– See more at: http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/will-viewers-splurge-rs-900-to-watch-dhoom-3/article1-1164204.aspx#sthash.77McIHer.dpuf
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December 19, 2013 at 2:42 PM
Oh crore shmore…who cares…the nearest theater for me is 40 miles away..you do the math for the kilometers
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December 19, 2013 at 3:06 PM
From DC???????
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December 19, 2013 at 6:56 PM
Suppose the only step left (only stone left ‘unturned’!) now is to put up ads/notices in the local DC motels/joints/pubs.
Ok lemme help out–
C’mon any girl/woman/guy out there in DC?? 🙂
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