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I’ll take some solace from TN and Kerala. In the former the AIADMK did massively well (even if I’m not a Jayalalitha supporter). In Kerala Tharoor finally won after trailing. So the the BJP has maintained its record of never winning in Kerala.
And of course there’s W Bengal where Trinamool has done massively well. The BJP though looks to be winning some at the expense of the Congress and the CPI(M).
Jayalalitha had had what is possibly the largest victory ever in TN with DMK at 0 seats! AIADMK is now the third-largest party nationally. She wont’ have much power at the centre since Modi doesn’t need to form a coalition but nevertheless, a very remarkable achievement.
they haven’t opened an account yet in kerala because Tharoor after trailing for a while eventually won.
In terms of vote share they’ve increased their share considerably in W Bengal, at the expense of the CPI (M) and the Congress but in terms of seats they still only have a couple or something. Trinamool might be winning as many as 34 out of 42. Nonetheless the BJP % has gone up here.
it’s not significant in TN or Kerala though. A percentage jump of a few points but really not significant at all given the larger trends in both states.
Karnataka and Andhra are not exactly surprises for more than one reason.
not really because they always did much better in Karnataka. Andhra with the whole Telengana issue (and the TDP alliance) was differently configured anyway. not winning a single seat in kerala in the midst of this huge national wave means something! As does the TN result where despite having a coalition of 6 parties they were completely swept. In fact Jayalalitha has come up with the equivalent of the Modi wave in TN. As for increase in vote share if you go from 6% to 10% because the opposition in those states does very poorly in a historic election that hardly indicates some march to victory in the future! In Bengal though they’ve gone from 6% to 16% or something. That’s very significant but again the Congress and the CPI (M) were expected to do poorly. Still it means something for assembly elections (though people don’t necessarily vote the same way in both). With Kerala and TN though they really have nothing to show.
kerala was also the state where first democratically elected government was thrown out in 50’s , vote share increase is appearant which can’t be hidden in the den of communist and muslim league’s
bengal its 16% for a party which had no base and won in its neighbourhood of assam and arunachal
Hmm.. as always you get incoherent beyond a point. But let’s have it your way — the BJP result in Kerala is as impressive as it is in UP. Hey who’s counting seats! never saw anyone so sour with their side winning so big! But I’m not surprised. You have always displayed this kind of totalitarian instinct. Modi has already won huge. You don’t need to read signs of future BJP greatness in the Kerala and TN results! Not winning anything is the same as winning big according to you because what one hasn’t won today one will in the future despite no such evidence in the results! And of course there’s the usual naiveté in your position. The assumption that this Modi wave is forever and they’ll just keep winning in state after state. LOL! Again.. enjoy the win. You don’t have to go ‘crazy’ with it.
I’ll put it this way — in ‘God’s Country’ there is still no room for Modi! Three cheers for that!
BJP’s vote share in Kerala this time is about 10%, which is the same as it was in 2004. Don’t know where is breaking of new ground here. Also, one must remember Kerala has one of the strongest RSS networks in the country and it still has not managed to covert a single seat.
Bandra NRI said this most recently in a different context but there’s always this refrain of ‘we must respect the wishes of the people’. Why?
First off the people who want these wishes respected were mysteriously not doing the same when Sonia was in power. Then there was this constant snideness about the ‘Italian’ and dynasties and what not. Why weren’t those wishes respected in this instance? Presumably the people knew about the Italian connection and the dynastic one!
But secondly given the questionable choices majorities often make in just about every democracy from time to time, given how people have elected some truly monstrous figures in different places, the idea that a decision must be respected simply because it comes from a majority is absurd. This is the secret religion of every democracy.
As an aside I’ll add that I also don’t respect majorities when they make houseful a hit or do the same with certain SRK films and so on!
On my part I regard it as a day of national disgrace. But I nonetheless congratulate all those here who were supporting Modi.
The Bachchan ‘image’ in all his key films is the farthest thing imaginable from Modi’s politics! People like you manage to be fans of both because of a gross misunderstanding of both!
On the national disgrace though I actually do find it to be such when such people are elected. Might have said the same thing when Hitler was elected had I been around! And the same in many other instances past or present. I don’t change my mind about fascists because they win elections. nor am I persuaded even if they ‘behave well’ beyond a point.
But I’m sure you loved this majority as much when the Congress came in with Sonia and Rahul!
In any case no point in arguing with me about this. You’re not going to change my mind on Modi. Just as you can’t change my mind on any number of such leaders in history.
You’re wasting your time and mine. You’re saying things that are completely unconnected. I’ll just say this here — Bachchan won on the strength of his ‘film’ image which was the complete antithesis of everything Modi stands for. It would take quite a dolt to not understand the politics of Deewar or AAA or Lawaaris or Naseeb or Coolie or all the other stuff he did. It would take a greater dolt to confuse this with the Modi platform. That’s my only point there. Anyway this debate is a waste of time.
LOL, superhits like Pukar and Inquilaab and Main Azaad Hoon! Yeah right..! Of course the politics of those films still doesn’t support your side but that’s another matter!
I hate to break it to you but Bachchan wasn’t just an angry young man but an angry young man on the Nehruvian left. You should revisit some of those films when you have a clearer head.
The Congress under Sonia/Rahul never reached these heights. This is different and historic. Satyam, you might find yourself in a fringe minority with your views now, because this type of mandate could not have been achieved unless many naysayers willingly gave him their vote. Clearly, even Minorities and non-BJP supporting castes were so frustrated with the Congress that they willingly supported Modi. Nothing else can explain a 72 seat sweep in UP.
The scale of this victory also puts a lot of pressure on the BJP. Now they have to get something done, otherwise they too will be kaput in 5 yrs. Modi will have to deliver and cause a huge rising tide to lift all boats, irrespective of caste or religion.
But you can’t say you’re with a majority only when it crosses a certain threshold. That’s like saying you are with a US president only if he wins at least 350 electoral college votes! As for the Congress my argument even yesterday (if you recall) was that they’ve long been quite dead in certain ways, whether they win or lose.
And given the ways majorities sometimes vote, not only in India, it is far more respectable to be in a fringe minority! But agree on the rest of what you’re saying though remember that in a parliamentary system relatively small shifts in the electorate can lead to big numbers for one party or another. Which doesn’t mean there aren’t significant shifts in these elections. Just that unlike a president system it’s often not directly proportionate or symmetric in this sense. Much as in the US because of the Electoral College there’s a dissymmetry built into the system. Whether you win a state by 1 vote or a million you still get all the Electoral College votes for that state. This can lead to a landslide but the actual numbers are not that overwhelming. The US though is an anomaly in this sense. But in parliamentary systems this disproportion always obtains. Again this doesn’t take away anything from the massive win here but one can sometimes talk as if this distinction does not exist.
” On my part I regard it as a day of national disgrace. But I nonetheless congratulate all those here who were supporting Modi.”
That’s harsh in a way as the mandate is for Big Change, Development and simply Pro Business. I don’t think there are any other strings attached to these results. The hardcore BJP/ upper middle class type always favored and voted BJP.
But this time around people are hurting on grass root levels but more importantly there was no one to listen to. Rahul and Congress already seemed fed up with the unexpectedly long 10 year rule. Rahul is more into Colombian girlfriend & wants his foreign vacations then sit and learn the basic of Indian politics which Rajiv was keen and eager to learn. Congress had this coming since they did not even try to project the right people for governance and not a single administrator apart from Sonia who is also not fully fit and undergoing various treatments and therapies. Ideally Gandhi family should have stepped aside and let someone else take the reins but it is bankrupt of any ideas/ directions and made a mockery of Manmohan Singh too who at least stabilized India in financial terms. Diggi was busy with his affair with Amrita Rai and rest simply had no say. This is when AAP and Kejriwal and Anna gained prominence. Come to think of it BJP until a year back was all over the place with constant infightings and bickering until Modi found the right opening and jumped in….
The past of Modi did not matter to anyone since when it comes to rozi roti everything else takes a back seat. A vast majority has bought into this Gujarat development model and wants the same model replicated in their state too. But as I had posted in a long comment earlier Gujarat due to its strategic location and shipping activity/ hub is a different ballgame. That’s why Modi’s work becomes harder from now esp in UP and Bihar. He does have a Chanakya Amit Shah who will play the game for him like he did during elections.
It’s simple if you act in UP/Bihar you are bound to trample a lot of corrupt bureaucrats / highly placed officials and the local politicians who can then create havoc. And if you tom tom with them then basically all remains same. So I am going to judge Modi simply with his performance in UP/Bihar. (At the time of writing this he is headed to get 73 out of 80 seats in UP!!!) But if he sides with unruly elements then it will be hugely detrimental and things will remain same…. For minorities esp the Muslims this is a good sign and they should feel safer as Modi under international radar is going to be more conscious than otherwise. This change was seen with hawkish elements like Advani etc when BJP came to power in ’97.
All in all good results and happy that a clear majority has been given to one party and it shows public wants to back a tough / stern administrator.
“That’s harsh in a way as the mandate is for Big Change, Development and simply Pro Business. I don’t think there are any other strings attached to these results. The hardcore BJP/ upper middle class type always favored and voted BJP.”
I completely agree with this. The problem though is that in many countries in similar circumstances people vote for the very same things. Even the worst fascists come to power promising the same stuff and the middle classes if you will voting on the same things. The ultimate example is Hitler here who too promised progress and a rescue from the 20s malaise and so forth. And even delivered on all these fronts for a while. Most who voted for him didn’t do so because he was anti-Jewish. But as always the dark side of the ‘bourgeois’ mindset is that it will sacrifice any and every principle in the pursuit of economic prosperity and a bit of general security. here I never buy into the ‘naiveté’ of these same classes. So again with the Hitler example they might not have voted on this score but they certainly didn’t mind the anti-Jewish message. Similarly in other situations if you’ve not been the one affected by violence it’s naturally not uppermost in your mind. And to the extent you’re bothered by it you can always invent justifications.
adodara: Amul, Asia’s biggest milk brand is ready to set up its plant in Varanasi.
Notably, Gujarat Chief Minister and BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is contesting in Lok Sabha Elections from the city of temples.
Banas Dairy, which markets Amul, will be setting up the processing plant in Varanasi. The plant will have the capacity to process at least 5 lakh litres of milk every day and the production will be doubled later depending on the demand.
According to a report published in TOI, Banas Dairy will invest Rs. 200 crore for the set up of this plant in holy city.
Chairman Parthi Bhatol told TOI ‘We’ve completed the process with UP State Industrial Development Corporation Ltd for land acquisition at Karkhianv industrial area near Varanasi airport.’
Notably, the work regarding the set up of plant in Kanpur and Lucknow is also started after Uttar Pradesh chief minister Akhilesh Yadav provided 40 and 20 acres of land in the cities respectively.
Like the plant in Varanasi, these two plants will also have the capacity to process 5 lakh litres of milk per day. Amul will start with milk, curd and buttermilk initially and will later add ice cream and other dairy products to the list.
‘Amul is the most preferred milk brand in all milk markets in UP including Varanasi, which consumes 75,000 litres milk per day. Since Banas Dairy began procuring milk locally in UP based on Amul model of co-operatives, farmers in UP are getting better remuneration for their milk,’ MD Rs. Sodhi of Gujarat Cooperative Milk Marketing Federation told TOI.
Bhatol said ‘Although UP is India’s largest milk producing state, the share of organized sector was only one lakh litres milk per day while private players were exploiting the farmers.’
Jayalalitha is popular in T N because she has done a lot gor the state. If gujarat is proud pf their Mody, we in TN are blody proud of jaya. And she is the sole reason that aiadmk won. Even the increased Modi fan base could not dent her popularity. We in TN know how and shere things have improved. Only the power situation needs fastrack work. If assembly elections were to be held, Jaya would well win again.
Tamils always choose their regional party, that two one sided…either ADMK or DMK
with emergence of good leaders things will change
jaya was the first who endorsed modi…for the first time congress was not in alliance with any dravidian party and bjp going alone has helped things anyway
I might have said enough for today. But Rocky and Rajen will appreciate the humor here when I say that whether Raavan wins or loses I am usually around!
LOL, and we would not like it to be any other way ….know you too well to realize that your opinions ( however misguided) are from heart and not coz of any agenda !!
Ab dekhna yeh hai kee how many days will it take for you to start realizing the virtues of Modi ( it is not a q of if, but when) LOL!!!
Na Rehga tu, hai Jaisa Tu …….Saagar sey milna hai tujhe, umeed kee aag jala tu !!
Atleast this massive mandate will make fence sitters away from the scene. NCP and some other parties and even various kazhagam parties would have tried to flex their muscles. A national party winning is better than various regional outfits trying to eat away bit by bit. What Praful Patel and Sharad Pawar are going to do now?
How Modi will deal with Srilanka and Jayalalithaa?
How naxalites will strategise?
Will China again make claims over Arunachal Pradesh?
What will happen to Kashmir problem?
It will be interesting to watch how the new government will deal with the eternal problems after euohoria?
One silver lining is the loudmouth arun jaitley did not win and the sidelined sushma swaraj won.
UPA is paying for the mockery it made of a prime minister post.
true.. the great behemoth of Indian democracy with all its issues constitutes a serious challenge to any govt. You of course here the sly excuse on the Right — hey give Modi at least a couple of years to clean up the mess. Maybe any new govt deserves a window but the Indian electorate will certainly only give it uptil the next time (election). And yes it’s quite true that the messaging and now this victory raises the bar a great deal.
of course now that Modi is in power I’d want him to get ‘co-opted’ and ‘mainstreamed’ as soon as possible! Which is what being in power does to most people. But will be interesting to see where he goes. On the one hand he has every interest in not wishing to seem anything but mainstream, he’s not beholden to the BJP apparatus in the same way. The election was more or less a referendum on Congress and vote for Modi. So he has that leeway. On the other hand there are many on the Right who feel they’ve never quite got a shot at things, that with the first BJP govt they got ‘moderate Vajpayee’, that this is now their big moment. They’re not just looking for ‘efficiency’, i.e. the folks in the ideological ranks. This balancing act is a tricky one. The other thing is that sooner or later a crisis comes around and where does Modi turn in such a situation given all his disturbing instincts? it will take time to get the answers to all these questions. Clearly Modi wants to be around for a long time and hence has every interest in not rocking things too much. But again there has to be something that looks ‘new’ under him. Business-as-usual though it might mainstream him won’t be enough to convince folks in other ways.
Congress ka hua hai aaj antim-sanskaar
Aa Gayi hai ab Modi Sarkaar.
Koi baat nahi, aapki ankhein bund hain abhi
Haath hamara thamlo, le jayenge aapko paar
Apkey dil se jo bhari padi hai nafrat ki bauchaar
Hamarey su-karmon se bhar denge aapke dil mey pyaar
Worry no More, Ab ki bari modi sarkaar.
Only if they kick the Gandhis out first. People in India are absolutely fed up with the dynasty, but only the Cong high command seems to be totally oblivious of this fact. They think that Indians are stupid enough to fawn on the good looks of the Euro-Indian offspring, but totally disregard their lack of intellect/work ethic.
Aspiring Indians cannot fathom the slave mentality of the Cong workers, who bend backwards to this First Family, which has no qualifications to talk about except that last name. The ineptitude of Rahul was on full display today, when he had that silly smile on his face while facing the press. It was the look of a student who is relieved that exams are over, and summer vacation has begun. Priyanka with her silly permanent giggle does not cut any favors with any educated folks either. Unless the bozo son and immature daughter are shunted out, the Cong will forever remain a less than 100 seat party.
Lol,interesting e changes.
Strong showing of some regional parties does not diminish from the spectacular onean show. Very unpatriotic to dream of Modi failing. Are our prejudices so controlling that we cannot look beyond them and hope for good?
Ofcourse, Modi has to deliver and it is not going to be a bed of roses.
For now,congrats to Modi and the people ,wish him luck and hope for the best.
Hopefully, no more appeasement of minorities,pandering, blatant corruption etc.I hope the misguided liberals here will be able to survive the absence of this sterling qualities of the parties and the cause they were championing.
A moment of silence for the sad demise of AAP!
Speaking for myself I certainly don’t wish for him to fail to prove a point. I’m never that ideological! However I certainly await better days without Modi. Because irrespective of economic performance or stability or whatever there are certain things that are just par for the course for a right-wing govt anywhere in the world. And these are not things I support.
I am not complaining about their good looks. However, Congress mistakenly thinks that their euro-indian looks will bowl over the rural masses. They forget that Katrina Kaif has already fulfilled that need of the rurals. Unless Priyanka does a “Sheila ki Jawani’ in a rally, perhaps, maybe….
Currently Sushma is sulking, so she will not dance. Vaisey bhi usko kya padi hai, she will keep getting elected on Modi’s coat-tails in the future.
But after being handed over the Congi reigns shortly, when Priyanka will be faced with the unenviable task of digging out of a 48 seat hole, she will dance, sing, trapeze, kick, etc etc.
Phir woh khud hi badnaam hogi, wohi jawaan hogi, wohi voters ko bolegi ke:
Zara Zara Vote me Vote me,Vote me,
Zara Zara Note me Note me Note me.
Ohhh ohhh. Ohhh ohhh.
Public figures cannot complain of getting demeaned, it comes with the territory. Its not like they themselves don’t pull any punches when it comes to ridiculing others. My family is private, my daughter is not a public figure.
Priyanka outdid Kejriwal in her Amethi nautanki: tearing her chappal so she could walk barefoot, running away from SPG over a pile of bricks, going around town with that silly giggle, getting petals thrown on her at every step. All the while their pet pet pliant media shoots every act and fawns in their TV reports, doing re-runs of Indira Gandhi visuals to force a notion that this is the second coming of Indira! Its the limit, no wonder they think of themselves as Royals. As far as I am concerned, she is open game for ridicule. I do not owe her anything, but she certainly owes a lot to India. I am glad that they got a thumping in UP, and Rahul had to sweat it out for a victory in Amethi. They think people are fools to fall for all that political theater (ie nautanki) anymore.
People are fools for falling for another type of nautanki created and successfully executed.
As for demeaning, demean as much as you want. If you enjoy doing so.
“Public figures cannot complain of getting demeaned, it comes with the territory.”
What kind of laughable logic is this?! Priyanka might belong to corrupt and inefficient party and you can certainly criticise her for that but justifying your comments by saying that she walks barefoot is absurd. What on earth does that have to do with dancing item numbers?!
Why is it then that you Modi Bhakts get so enraged when anybody says something less-than-complimentary about him. Is he not a public figure? f a congress supporter had commented (in such a vacuous and puerile manner) on Modi’s looks all the BJP supporters would have savaged her for being a superficial bimbo.
One can’t help but roll eyes when a TV channel devotes an hour on how Priyanka tore her slippers and had to walk barefoot for a mile, and how does supposedly shows the commitment of the Gandhis towards Amethi. Or when the media highlights her bravery in breaking away from her SPG cover, running over a pile of bricks so she could go hug a poor bewildered onlooker on the side of the road. It is not me who is being puerile, but her favorite booty-licking media which highlights such trivial stuff in the name of ‘Gandhi Sacrifices’.
It is you who is being puerile by choosing to focus on her ‘booty’. Her slippers have nothing to do with your comments about item numbers and it is utterly bewildering how you are trying to connect both. Make sexually demeaning comments all you want, it only reflects poorly on you. But don’t complain the next time somebody takes cheap shots at Modi, because that is just hypocrisy plain and simple.
When the hell did I talk about her booty? Pls read my comment, I referred to her pet media as booty-lickers.
You gals need to take a chill pill. AajTak/Headline has been showing cartoons with Modi dancing/singing etc. No one complains, its all in jest. A little comment of Priyanka doing SheilakiJawani causes ya’ll to go ballistic! Relax Pls.
NyKavi, who are you fooling?! The cartoons about Modi dancing were clearly NOT intended to be sexually demeaning!!! And please let’s not even pretend that Modi supporters don’t go ballistic over perceived slights against him! Death/ rape threats via twitter, banning and muzzling free speech etc can be termed as going ballistic. A couple of little comments pointing out that your objection to the media’s level of discourse is highly ironic since it doesn’t get any sillier than your comments is not in any way, shape or form ‘going ballistic’.I wonder then what adjective you would apply to those who write 10,000 word
blog posts condemning every 140 character throwaway tweet of of Guha/ Saharika/ Bharka!
Njoy !!!
Obama : Congrats Mr. Modi for the victory. Now let’s talk about the VISA problem
Modi : There is no problem, you can apply it online,we’ll issue
There is a protocol for such matters. Also a hierarchy (the Federal Government works with leaders at the national level).
When the Visa was refused and a ban was imposed, NaMo was also applying for the title of the “Butcher of Gujrat”. That ban will remain. The Visa now will be issued not to that alleged Butcher but to the PM (auto qualification).
As soon as he goes back to being just another person, he will have to acquire the Visa on his own merit, and will once again face the existing ban.
The viciousness of modi supporters and the language they use.
The dirty tricks department has done its work. But it will boomerang on them sooner. As for performance, let us see. How they are going to handle Kashmir insurgency, all hues of terrorism etc. They made parliament a mockery by not allowing it to function for months together. And now they expect cooperation!
“but it ought to be a crime to be this Philistine..!” Trust me I think same when I read your pol hate filled illogical delusional comments… I am still waiting for when you talk on facts and not write 3000 word junk…
Totally agree Satyam. It is hard to find people self-describe themselves so objectively. Acknowledging self-weakness is first step towards better future. Don’t you worry. Your ways will improve as long as you stay with sophisticated people like Bliss/Rocky/Rajen and moi
🙂
hamari chaati phuley nahi samati. This was my dream and prayers from 2009 when it was not part of imagination of any of my gujju relatives in amdavad! My only regret is shehzada won and Smiriti lost. Must be rigged!
you know I was talking to some gujjus yesterday and he told me an interesting story- one of his mama works for a bank and the other one works as a BDO.
Bank wala Mama used to go at 10.30, come home for lunch and Nap etc.– ever since Modi came, he leaves at 8.30 and comes back only in the evening.
The BDO wala Mama- has to swipe card for in and out and praprae a daily analysis of receipts and work done .
Both say- achcha aaraam tha, Modi ney kaam karna sikha diya !!
was talking to a guy from Bombay yesterday – ( we were 9 people last night, and all 9 were from different states , lol)
he is a pucca Congressi….but he told us an interesting story-
he was walking and listening to the commentary of Indo-Pak match near a Muslim locality, when a 14-15 year old asked him the score- he replied Hum jeet rahe hain.
He goes the confuses expression on the kid’s face puzzled him but then he realized that the kid was confused by Hum , whether it meant India or Pak.
These are real stories !!
Rocky do not forget that Modi would never have experienced such a sweeping victory if millions of Muslims hadn’t believed in Indian development strongly enough to vote for a Hindu party! Most Indian Muslims do consider themselves citizens of this nation, not the neighbour.
nice ones Omi. This is indeed revolutionary moment for India. This man is Sadhu like. Modi raho sada jindabad. India has spoken. Muslims voted for him too. Just some people here have narrow minded philistine thoughts to think low level stuff 😦
Jha Sahab wapas aa gaye….
Aside- Won’t be surprised if by Monday the headlines are -“Blow to Modi ” !! Conditions have not improved at all in two days, Keju to sit on Dharna !!
wow , what a news flash, I only know about the malnourishment in Gujarat sir jee……
very kindof you to label them as terrorists ( bada dard hua hoga tupe kartey hu . hai na ??)
Bandra.NRI: this is the problem with you sickular fiberals, you focus on trivial nonsense like the fact that India has worse malnutrition and starvation than sub-Saharan Africa. What do a few million starving and dying children matter when we have far more pressing problems to deal with such as:
1. Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi’s devastating good looks
2. Bharka, Sagarika and Guha’s twitter accounts
3. The NYT, BBC, Guardian, Oxford and Harvard which are all absolutely third-rate institutions that simply do not possess the knowledge,intelligence or authority to comment on India (only Modi supporters are qualified to do this on their scholarly blogs and distinguished twitter accounts)
P.S: In all seriousness, I am cautiously happy with the election results. In a utopian world, I would have wished for somebody very, very different from Modi. But the India of today is far from ideal, and I do believe that he is a better choice than the corrupt Congress or the ineffectual AAP. I just hope that he focuses on his promises of development and anti-corruption and doesn’t succumb to the intolerant/ bigoted fringe within his party.
And I hope that the right-wingers are not too enamoured with him to hold him accountable for fulfilling his lofty promises.
It is inevitable that India will experience rapid economic growth under Modi, but I hope that we experience meaningful social development and poverty alleviation as well.
LOL Rocky, perhaps you should chill. Modi has experienced the grandest electoral success, and all you can do is post your endless stream of blogs and tweets against liberals! I think you are secretly obsessed with ‘commies’! 😛
In any case, the politician I support is Amma (I’m anti-congress and indifferent to AAP) and she has experienced a resounding victory in TN, so I need no burnol, thank you very much! 😛
You are right I focus on facts rather than far greater issues like fabricated anecdotes about commentary on Indo-Pak (how fresh this one is), cricket match in Moslem neighborhood. 🙂
BTW Ami jee…. yeh jo aap NYKavoi ko itna lecture dey raheen hai, I never heard a word from you or other Liberals, when Congress was going after Modi’ s wife
have to salute Rupa Subramanya who called out all the liberals on this, what did the libertards tdo- they ganged up against her and called her all sorts of names !!!
example-
Shivam Vij @DilliDurAst · May 14
@rupasubramanya you are worse than the dogmatic secularists. They are at least not ideological turncoats towards the winning side
Shivam Vij @DilliDurAst · May 14
@rupasubramanya in so far as it talks about intellectual dishonesty, opportunism, myopia and poverty of imagination, it applies to you too
Rocky- did anybody comment demeaningly about Modi’s wife on SS? I cannot police the entire internet, and I cannot respond to every sexist comment I see either. I have strongly criticised
liberals when they have acted in as sexist manner i.e. the Tejpal case. Just because I don’t condemn each and every single incident on the left, doesn’t mean I can’t criticise even one incident on the right! Why are you so determined to find bias in my comments? 😛 I’m not a congress supporter, nor am I a communist; I find it amusing that you would think I was.
I just brought it up because as long as you were getting mad at NYK’s comments on its (de) merits , it is O.K., even I think some sentences of his were in bad taste, but that had nothing to with him being a Modi Supporter.
but then what was the need to bring in Modi in your criticism ..IMO that was quite unnecessary and shows your bias.
P.S.- I do think that Priyanka is Hot though !
I was not criticising Modi at all, I was simply pointing out NyKavi’s double standards i.e. If someone said something about Modi’s looks, NY would criticise it strongly. I certainly was not suggesting that Modi made him say these things! 😛
P.S. I agree! Both the Gandhi siblings (whatever else their faults might be) are very good-looking.
pata nahi usney vadra jaisey ugly aadmi kay saath kyun shaadi ki…maybe he was going to same church as her but still, she should have chosen better person/man.
” If someone said something about Modi’s looks, NY would criticise it strongly. I certainly was not suggesting that Modi made him say these things! ”
Far from it. I am totally irreverent about all these things. Just the other day I said, that when Modi parks his fat ass on the PM Chair, be assured that it will be stuck to said chair for the next decade at the least. The guy is a total egomaniac and narcissist, full of Me, Mera, Mainey. Mera Chappan inch ka seena!! My foot, his waist is chappan inch. I hate that the he speaks constantly in the third person. In today’s Vadodara speech, he spent like 15mins just congratulating himself for his phenomenal victory. Praising his own hard work, “I am Majdoor Number 1”, etc etc.
All that said, he is also hell bent on building a legacy for himself, and the best way to do so will be through real positive development of the sort he has done in Gujarat. That is the only positive in his persona, ie, he will change the face of India by sheer will and he will exercise his power to the fullest. The people of India have given him a foolproof majority to exercise his will. Somehow, despite his ego and narcissism, he has spectacularly connected with the junta. Maybe because of his aggression, his grueling campaign, and his wits.
OK, apologies, I mischaracterised your political attitude. But I do feel that that his narcissism is almost a necessary attribute to spark the Indian public’s imagination and succeed politically. The Junta want larger-than-life figures, be it in the films or in politics. This is true of most of the enduringly successful politicians today: Amma, Didi, Mayawati. Meanwhile the plebeian antics of a Kejriwal are met with utter derision and ridicule. It could also be that his utter self-conviction appeals to the masses after the superlatively timorous Manmohan Singh.
For instance in the UK, when Thatcher started referring to herself in the second person (the imperial ‘we’ as opposed to I) it was believed that she had reached the height of her arrogance. I think the political culture is extremely different in India and such things simply will not be seen of as out of the ordinary or unacceptable, but rather as something that indicates authority/ confidence in a leader.
” In today’s Vadodara speech, he spent like 15mins just congratulating himself for his phenomenal victory. ”
This is so not true. Even his tweet was different. He refers to himself in third person, separating ‘himself’ from the person who is in power. I think he is very sadhu like. He doesn’t want to ‘become’ anything. He wants to DO something. People have given him a chance.
And seriously, Priyanka Gandhi is the last woman I would find attractive. I have read their fav mediawallahs fawn and fret over both the siblings looks countless times in the last decade. It all comes down to the typical desi fascination for fair skin and caucasian features. Which is why I mentioned that when we already have Katrina, why is Congress trying to hoist Priyanka on the Amethi rurals? Other than perceived eye-candy appeal and a famous lastname, there really is nothing else that Priyanka has done in her life to have the right to take over an election campaign.
agreed wholeheartedly. They should be in holly/bollywood/modeling but in politics you have to show results for people who have put their trust and elected you, not for your fair skin. But maybe we need to get over our inferiority complex over fair skin or foreigners
ya first speech is inspiring and even his first tweet after winning election which created record:
high point of election:
when arvind kejriwal challenged namo for contest election from varanasi and when he silently accepted bait and rest is history
when priyanka vadra (wife of “rob”ert vadra) said “who is smriti irani” and she got 2.15 lakh vote from amethi(6 decade of dominance of gandhi and a safe seat) allmost trounced rahul(2.9 l votes)
silent workhorse and man responsible for eradication of polio dr. harshvardhan beating sibbal on home turf by over 1 lakh margin
loss of farooq abdullah, lalu’s family, mayawati(0 seats)
worldwide congratulations pouring in for modii and domestically gandhi clan which refused to congratulate narendra damodardas modi made a whole family a laughing stock
a new low for indian politics…toilet has been forced to report it
Also, the refusal to name Modi or BJP in the congratulatory message, at the cost of appearing graceless in defeat, was designed to send out a message that Congress was in no mood to go soft on its biggest enemy, a man with whom it shares bad blood at a personal level. The cold response despite the massive defeat showed that BJP would have faced a gridlock in Parliament had it not managed to win majority in the LS. It, at once, shows that despite a majority in LS, Modi will have to seek out allies among regional parties to tide over the numerical deficit in the upper House.
With a verdict as definitive & unanimous as this, the voting public have spoken. And spoken in favour of Modi. Never been his fan but not been his hater either (from whatever little I know).
Caste, regional & religious politics don’t get u food on the plate, uninterrupted electricity (& internet), jobs and financial foreign investments et al !
This simple realisation seems to have dawned onto the Indian people. While modi may not achieve any of these, he & his machinery were able to sell this ‘dream’ most effectively.
Now let’s not deny / trivialise the very ‘democracy’ one seems to be upholding.
The biggest test is when people pay with their hard -earned cash to watch films on the big screen (& not online/telly etc). Spin & ‘prestige’ falls by the wayside, for ‘intellectuals’ on blogs to mull over.
Here people have voted with their own futures at stake. How can u negate or ignore it. Time to respect that !
Ps:
As for Rahul Gandhi, guess it’s back to the Colombian girlfriend (& coke). Somehow he reminds me of (a better looking) abhishrek bachchan…
as for nykavi (of the ‘leggy n endowed’ fame)– he seems to have got into a sticky wicket –find an escape mate–amy is here lol
Modi has turned EVERYTHING on its head. Perhaps, we should allow the ‘liberals’ some grace period to get used to the new reality. Intellectual honesty is the first victim of any kind of extreme ideology and we see it happening to the liberals here. We might reasonably expect some grace and humility in face of such extreme decimation but sadly that hope seems to be misplaced. To expect something constructive from these ‘intellectuals’ is obviously a lost cause. But, we can be a little magnanimous and overlook their sad ramblings as they get used to the new realities. If they think the corrupt,immoral Congress was abetter alternative,let them labour under the misconception and pity them instead of piling up on them. Give them some time.
Lol Amy –havent watched this arnab show but wtf is goin on –full blown action threats intimidation both ways– but I think the woman meenakshi held her ground well ..
Btw another disappointment has been the dismal decline of AAP .. Hope they ‘learn’ from this experience & regroup since that movement surely had potential & a place in the schemata.
Modi haters like bandra nari & AAP supporters like oldgold seem to have literally gone into hiding … Chill gals
Jus reading bits on modi–
Have to Appreciate the rise of a tea seller to the PM of the largest democracy…
Please refrain from passing judgements. For a person who has confessed to “not know this” and “not know that” and have “not watched this” and “not watched that”, you should accept the limits of your ignorance and not step into a role of making passing judgements.
@ sanju–“Illalakagane pandaga kadu.”–
Plz translate that for us mere mortals–but plz no entendre/explicit stuff plz –u know I don’t like such stuff 🙂
@ bandra nari– I’m not passing any judgements —it’s u who are questioning the judgement of a vibrant majority of a democratic country who have made a decisive choice!!
& btw those who (unlike me) don’t accept they ‘don’t know this or that’ don’t by default ‘know everything’ ..(my ‘not knowing this or that’ is also another point for another day though..)
Also, baby, I won’t stop making judgments, jus bcos u tell me to-I might think about it if u say so nicely eh
As for your point on the USA visa for modi–
Indian (or for that matter any country’s!) state policy is not/should not be run subservient to the US border controls & visa office!
As somebody mentioned (think it was Satyam!) that who gets USA visa isn’t a criteria to decide anything
What modi has achieved here by becoming an elected PM (by majority) in a reasonably fair elections is more than what hundreds of USA visas can achieve for ‘NRIs ‘ etc.
So put things into perspective &
Btw ‘hate’ works both ways –question your antagonisms to modi ..& take a chill ‘pill’ gal (no pun intended) lol
Buddy, I was nice. I started with “Please”. To begin with I was responding to your characterization of my views on the current political landscape. I was not randomly picking on you. Hence I don’t get this request about “nice” ?
But you know, it is not as if one reads your ebonics like dribble and says, “Gee Golly, I am so lucky to walk through this rose garden of a Newtonian mind”. It does not take much to quickly realize that intelligence and you are like two parallel lines that incredulously do meet at infinity.
Your post are like an annoying street performance of b-boying that one has to navigate through in an otherwise wonder stroll about town.
So go ahead amuse us with your dance, and like some character from a Ruskin Bond novel, I will try and placate my conscience by charitable throwing in a few coins in your extended begging hat.
@ sanju–“This is for apex”–thanks for that interesting info, sanju, cheers. And do feel free to use/teach us other languages –I don’t believe in this English/hindi ‘supremacy’ thingy lol
@ bandra nari–you & some others are under the protection of selective & multiple layers of ‘moderation’ from my replies–so can’t interact with u ‘one to one’…have fun..
@satyam –u let the other comment(s) stay eg bandra naris here but my reply which had nothing objectionable has been removed –as if I couldn’t reply lol
This is why u delete my comments BEFORE even getting posted so readers can’t even see they’ve been wrongly removed. Now u are selectively removing my comments leaving others stay. —
it’s one thing batting with a blind over my eyes –it’s now like being asked to bat without even a ‘bat’..but hey that’s more challenging n fun.
I can deal with this, infact enjoy it. Besides u r the moderator so are ok to do this –the important thing is these sort of tactics-help u to ‘cope’ with life (& me) better –so it’s fine…. 🙂
There are some who write in hindi and I decided to write in some of the south indian languages when the occasion is appropriate.
Respect for other Indian languages besides hindi.
Rough translation of this telugu sentence.
In the south, they used to mop the mudfloors with cowdung and put rangolis or muggu or kolam with white rice paste or powder. Then they take bath, prepare for pooja.
Winning elelctions is like beginning. The cabinet formation, functioning of the government is like beginning of the pooja.
This is for apex.
It is in a way good that Local leaders like Mamta / Jaylalitha / Naveen Patnaik have swept away the polls with a clear mandate. This has paved an exit for Cong. dynasty.
But replaced by other dynasties. For another 10 years.
Dynasty is not the problem. Misgovernance is. No one cares who governs them as long as there is good governance and reasonable standard of living and opportunities to grow. A good dynasty is better option if there is no alternative.
Koodankulam nuclear power plant has been ready since over a year but not allowed to go into operation thanks to protest movement, said to be financed by the US, since the power plant has been developed by Russia. Nobody knows the truth; koodankulam as of now is not being allowed to generate power. in tirunelveli dist during windy summer months, some relief is obtained through the thousands of eind poweted gnerators in oeration. The whole state benefits for a while. Then back tl power cuts. Politicians and activists are together causing hardship yo industry and common man. This is the story all over india. Let us see jow modi thd magician deals with such problems.meanwhild jaya has learnt her lessons, is less arrogant, more sensible. Hence she gets votes, not because people favour regional parties. DMK is now totally exosed and unpopular. BJP has its supporters smong the brahmin middle class. I am nk suporter of chauvinistic regiobsl parties. DMK has ulterior motive, of separating and joining with srilanka tamils. Jaya will never allow such athing to happen.
Typos again. Sorry. Wind power generation in tirunelveli dist. — this has helped to an extent. I and many other tamils are indians first. We will never allow separatist dmk to come back.
One Gujju was denied entry into train and INDIA got independence in 1947.
Another Gujju was denied US visa and he gave independence from congress in 2014 😀
Found this magazine cover rather ironic. Just for some background information, Hartosh Singh Bal and Manu Joseph recently lost their jobs in this magazine apparently due to some unflattering stories on Modi.
Unfortunately, the psuedo-seculars have stamped a permanent etch of Modi in their own minds. No matter what he does now, their insinuations will never cease.
Let’s look at this and say that they are predicting that just like what happened in Germany, India within the next few decades will shun The Ultra Right Wing Politics and become a very peaceful secular country.
The poster/cover is predicting that within the next few decades NaMo will be not just become NoMo, but will also completely disappear from public life.
Finally it has to be said, that the poster/cover does reflect the genuine views of plenty of people (all over the world) looking at this sad & tragic election. I think the poster is desperately trying to warn people to be cautious, very cautious. The poster is saying those who forget the lessons from history risk repeating it.
For me the poster/cover is again a reminder that a picture is worth a thousand words. But here is my prediction, this cover will become a collector’s copy. In years to come will be worth a lot of money, hence go out and buy it.
I understand you believe Modi is India’s new dawn. I on the other hand believe that this is India’s darkest hour. We don’t see eye to eye.
There are justifiable & valid reasons for a lot of people around the world to believe, like me, that “A Greek Tragedy” is unfolding before our eyes. Your dismissal of these concerns such as your previous statement about “appeasement of minorities” is not politically correct.
I hope you understand that the very liberal policies of the West, which you have been a beneficiary of, is something you would like to deny to minorities in India. I expect you to be understanding as you too have been a minority (in the west). It is sad to see you line up with people who appear so against the human rights of the minorities.
I do not understand what the heck is being denied to the minorities?? Does the West allow a parallel Personal Law Board that allows polygamy? Does the West allow a totally autonomous state in a country, where the rest of the country cannot even invest in, cannot buy property in, etc. In effect, a state has been granted to minorities in which they can do as they please! It is hard to fathom what liberties have been denied??
Prosperity is the ultimate aim for every community. No one is denying prosperity to anyone in India. But it just doesn’t fall from a tree and land in one’s lap. Do you think the rest of us just became prosperous over the last 60 yrs just by sitting on our behinds, and crying hoarse, asking for pity?
Previously we had a prime minister who talked less and worked more.
Now the prime minister designate talks, talks and talks. Assures, assures, assures. And also these endless rallies, aartis etc. Ganga aarti, delhi rally, maninagar rally, trips to gujarat etc.
He used to go back to Gandhinagar daily. Now he has to live in Delhi for longer periods.
The elections are over and hope these rallies will also come to an end. Hope some real work is done.
and the Jha has gone berserk, dimaag ka dhai ho gaya hai becharey ka…
sample of good communalism as liked by the Jhas…
Sagarika Ghose @sagarikaghose · May 17
The #GangaAarti was beautiful, and so was Kashi Vishwanath, but hope the PM elect visits Gyanvapi mosque too!
That is speculative conjecture. Let’s first have a Moslem PM and then we will know the answer.
But a PM of India should respect all religions (if at all there is a need to acknowledge and recognize one). Modi needs to visit Mosques and Gurudwara etc also. He needs to know he is the PM for the whole of India not for a selected group.
True but where it gets tricky is with the question of how the nation is to be defined. There is always a tension within every nation-state when it comes to these definitions. On the one hand the nation is about whoever is a citizen of that nation. This is a more inclusive, ‘legal’ definition. On the other hand every such nation also has a more restrictive definition of what really constitutes the heart or core of the nation. Which is why there are always minorities. It is a structural necessity of the nation-state. The tribal instinct essentially survives in the latter but of course runs up against all the legal realities of the same. The gap is then covered up by politics. You can then start defining minorities as either those not completely committed to the idea of the nation-state, not patriotic enough therefore, even viruses at the heart of the nation-state weakening it from within. This entire discourse is an old one. Fascists thrive on it but even liberalisms of various kind are often challenged by it. A classic example here is say of a European nation where citizenship rights are spelled out in the most universal ways and these are linked to birth in most cases. But what is not envisaged at that point is the immigrant who will be born on that very same soil and will have the very same legal rights. Because the repressed reality of every nation-state is that more tribal link. Which itself is a fiction of course in more ways than one.
When fascism uses this kind of structural tension to its own advantage the minority can never really win. Because the charges in question are never provable. They acquire popular currency, they circulate anecdotally, over time they start seeming like obvious truths. But they are never more than myths. And what are the frustrations of a majority can be channeled this way. For instance rather than explain the exigencies of globalization to blue collar workers in Detroit it might just be easier to tell them immigrants are taking away their jobs. It’s a profitable myth for a politician (both stripes) but equally it is an easier reality for the voter to handle. Not least because it feeds a pre-existing bias. And this is always the trick in politics. To find a framing that a voter is pre-disposed to agree with. You can do it in the worst possible ways to create a negative politics or do it for more positive outcomes,
This is why anything beyond the legal Definition of citizenship should not be allowed in public discourse.
Not just in India, but throughout the world race & religion has to be pushed back into the private domain. Who you worship in your home (or religious place), who you close to inside your home, your gender etc should not be a public issue.
The state should not be allowed to show preference to any religion. There has to be a complete seperation of “Church & State”.
I agree with you but the problem is that you can’t legislate how people actually think. The ‘right-wing’ response or this kind of reactionary politics often comes about precisely because the liberal version of democracy has been written into law. So in India for instance the entire Hindutva response is really to the Nehruvian brand of politics which was the most inclusive kind in the history of the Indian nation-state. But the Right presents it as minority-appeasement and a betrayal of the Hindu essence of India, so on and so forth. Much as the Republicans in the US use a similar language to argue against immigration or militate against what they perceive as a betrayal of America’s Christian legacy etc etc. The terms of the debate are the same, the arguments identical, you just change some names and the formula holds. But all of this is possible because people are willing to accept these myths. If you grew up in a white suburb in Ohio and by the time you reach 50 you see the area turning ‘Hispanic’ you have a problem. Now you don’t think of yourself as a racist, you feel you too don’t have those attitudes but a lot of things happen at a much more instinctive level. And so then when you get a Republican party speaking to those same anxieties or attitudes in code you are very receptive to that message. Again this isn’t something you can legislate against. Of course the irony is that many Indians who support Modi or many Islamist-types or whatever suddenly demand the fullest freedoms and liberals guarantees in the West and are the most indignant when the detect the slightest bias in any sense. You can’t be one thing when you have the comfort of being in a majority back home and another thing when you’re in a minority. And the argument always is that the situations are different. Yeah right!
This is exactly what we expect to see from here onwards. Fake research and statement that divide not unite. An all out assault on secularism. No leaf unturned to marginalize and discount the minorities.
Yes this is India’s darkest hour. But I have faith that within some years, Right Wing Politics will be dumped. This tragedy will scar people from ever mixing religion with politics.
What do you mean NO ? We are already seeing it. You just posted a hate inciting statement vis a vis Modi supporters/opposers.
From now onwards, Hate will be the new currency in India. It will of course bankrupt us. Out of those ashes a new India will rise, that will shed communal politics. Personally I believe if we attack “hate politics” we will also end up containing corruption. Hatred (of minorities) and corruption go hand in hand. Cannot rid of one without addressing the other.
and this is the reality-
Anand Ranganathan @ARangarajan1972 · 5h
Soni Sori of AAP stood from Bastar, a Maoist den, and came fifth. She got 16,903 votes. NOTA got 38,772. Soni Sori just got found out
The first para has some truth, but a lot also had to do with the Gujrat development.
I Agree with second and third para completely .
P.S.- Now please don’t even think of writing/ posting links against Gujrat development , coz, the people have spoken, experienced and are comfortable with it. If you still choose to continue about the gujrat development then people will be forced to think that the breakdown of Bandra.NRI is actually Bandar . Anarai .
Obama while campaigning for Presidency repeatedly emphasized his Christian roots ( ti=o nullify Hussien name) and British PM says its christian country and ask those liberals, Why Obama shelved plan to visit Golden temple?
VP of India Mr Ansari refused to light lamp and do Aarti but he is secular liberal coz he is muslim. Its only when Hindu says I am Hindu it makes liberals go wreck.
Liberals don’t know what has hit them. They are going through Psychological implosion.
As Arun Shourie rightly said, Secularism in India is prostituted term.
On a relative scale, both Britain and US are civilized countries with so many checks and balances in place that we don’t expect riots to break out anytime soon that will takes the lives of thousands of minorities (a la Gujarat). These are so called safe heavens. Yet people are not happy with religion becoming a bigger and bigger issue in politics. British PM has been critisized for his statement. The tea party is mocked at even with the a Republican Party.
On the other hand, India has all this necessary ingredients (especially now after this very tragic election) for race riots. Hence in India we need to be very vigilant about such matters. India needs zero tolerance on this matter.
Moreover don’t you feel the need to end hate politics is self evident ? This justification based on some other country also having such bad politics is lame. We don’t have to de what has been proven wrong time and again. Let’s try to be better than others.
You seriously need to read about riot history of India. Go read it and thn we can debate.
Civilised countries?? Yes who presidents spread Red carpets to despicable despots in world. Who’s presidents/ Govt kill lakhs of people for no reason or just for whim?
Out of curiosity, would you really be this outraged if an American asked Obama why he shelved his plans to visit the Golden Temple? Do you think that the very harsh criticism Cameron faced from several prominent people in the UK for calling the UK a Christian nation is also unjustified/ unpatriotic?
That was not my question. My question was do you think that somebody (say, an American Hindu) asking about Obama’s shelved visit to the Golden Temple is also outrageous/ unjustified?
And how have you showed the selective picking of the liberals?! David Cameron was VERY HARSHLY criticised by every single liberal media outlet in the UK!!!!
What the hell? You brought up Cameron, I didn’t pick on anybody! I’m just pointing out that your point about Cameron is completely moot, since he faced harsh liberal criticism here in the UK. And you still haven’t answered my question.
So…no, you don’t think asking about Obama’s visit to the golden Temple is unjustified BUT you think asking why Modi doesn’t visit the mosque is unjustified? Or did I misunderstand you?
“Sikh groups have urged US President Barack Obama not to avoid visiting the Golden Temple in Amritsar during his India trip next month, amid reports he is now unlikely to go there.”
Bliss, NyKavi, Rocky: Since you all seem so convinced that India alone is a paradise for minorities and hell for the majority, I would like to know your thoughts on this. It’s an increasing common complaint amongst the right-wing in the UK (decreasing celebration of traditional Christian festivals and increasing visibility to minority festivals).
“Celebrating Diwali but possibly not doing a nativity play at Christmas.
My daughter attands a welsh medium school. Last year however, a Nativity was deemed not respectful to a multi cultural school and they did some play which was about delivering presents from around the world, no real mention of Jesus and not very festive, my daughter was dressed as an australian surfer!
My daughter came home yesterday with a card saying Happy Diwali, which I was a bit shocked about, I’ve been told that this year the school may not be doing a traditional nativity play again. There are by the way a very small group of hindu children less than 5 in a 140+ school.
Now I want to see my daughter take part in a traditional nativity play this year and so do other parents but the decision is being made by the head mistress, but it seems a bit one sided regarding these cultures in our school.
They dont want to do a Christian nativity play, but all children were making Diwali cards, without any questions as to whether we want our children to learn about Diwali, all seems a bit one sided to me, and not very fair on the majority of the school.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, and also do you think I should approach the head mistress about it?”
“For me, living in England,I wouldn’t kick up a fuss about celebrating Diwali. But Christmas and nativity I would definitely kick up a fuss about. After all it’s not a Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, country.”
As religious minorities living in Christian majority societies (I presume), would you feel the same (as opposed to Rajiv Malhotra, for instance, who harshly critics the notion that modern USA is a society based on Christian roots). ) I’m asking because Sagarika’s request for ‘minority tokenism’ angers you so much.
IMO, the liberals in USA/UK are doing exactly what liberals in India are, ie, to stick a thorn in the side of the majority religion.
So for them, it is communal and a violation of church-state separation when a Christian openly displays his Christianity. But it is liberal/secular to support a minority who brazenly propagates their religion. Btw, I rarely see Hindus in the US/UK making some hue-n-cry over oppression of any rights. I do see some fringe idiots trying to make an issue out of trivial stuff, like when Selena Gomez wore a Bindi for a song.
Being a Hindu, I care a hoot about whether Obama goes to Church or not, or if my daughter is taught a Christian prayer at school. I too studied in a Catholic school, and despite all attempts by the HeadMaster and teachers to propagate Catholicism, there were hardly any takers. I guess it is because amongst Hindus, the impoverished and oppressed (ie mostly Dalits/SCs) were the only people who are smitten for conversion. By and large Hindus have never attempted to proselytize, so they also are not bothered about whether Diwali gets celebrated in schools. Recently, however, when we see other minorities getting special privileges, questions are asked by us. eg when the New York mayor declared holidays for Eid and Chinese New Years, but not for Diwali.
I posted this to counter the constant insistence by the Indian right that there is some giant global conspiracy to demonize Hindiusm alone, and that there is no other country that indulges in so-called minority appeasement/ tokenism.
So much of the right-wing in India ( not referring you specifically) seem to think that liberals are all Missionaries/ Mullahs, which can’t be further from the truth! It’s not about a specific religion, it’s about the minority vs, majority, whether that minority happens to be Hindu, Muslim or Christian.
It is quite silly to accuse anyone who is liberal of being an Islamist/ Missionary/ Communis and it is certainly not that minorities are oppressed elsewhere and elevated to a pedestal in India alone, or that Hinduism alone is criticised by liberals across the world.
Well, liberalism only exists in open democracies. Russia/China/IslamicCountries, much of Africa etc do not entertain any liberals. So it boils down to 2 societies with liberals: the Christian West and Hindu India. And there is only one common vocal minority in both places. The liberals in both places continue to vehemently fight for the same minority religion, ie Islam.
Hindus in the US hardly need any help for any fight, most of them are too prosperous to even bother about all this. IMO, the only time Sikhs protest is when they are not accepted due to their requirements to keep beards and turbans. Other than that, even Sikhs hardly proselytize.
Liberals fight for the rights of all religious minorities, not only Muslims. Whether the minority is vociferous or not, is a different matter. For instance, no liberal in India is going to have one standard for Christians and another for Muslims. The same applies to Muslims and Hindus in the West. The increased profile of Hindu festivals like Diwali in the UK, for instance, is a result of liberal efforts.
In a nutshell, The liberals in the west are merely trying to make the “majority” aware that they have no special claims on the land. In the eyes of the law, all are equal, and hence all should also get equal benefits. No one is entitled to special treatment at the expense of the other.
In essense the very need of the law is to protect the rights of the minorities from being trampled or from being taken for granted by the majority.
Just like the very need of the labor unions was to protect the weak from being taken advantage of by the strong.
But it appears your singular obsession with Islam colors & distorts your opinions on all issues. I hope you someday get it that it is not about Islam or any one religion, but a higher moral principal. Hence stop scapegoating and realize that it is a sickness to wish less for others while wanting much more for your own self.
On the contrary, I do not wish any less for anyone else, I hope that everyone works hard and enjoys the full fair fruits of their effort. You keep trying to attribute these falsehoods on anyone who does not agree with your viewpoint. I do not wish any less rights for anyone that is in a minority. Heck, I am in a minority in the US, but I have never had to complain. I worked my butt off, did well, and prospered. Dude, I was working on $4/hr jobs when I came to the US in the early 90s. Minimum Effing Wages!!. But I educated myself, learnt, applied and progressed. And yet I see people on minimum wages go blow their wages on beer/cigs every evening and then turn around and complain.
Nothing I can ever complain about. Yes, I did face racism many times, I was even asked to convert (ie Baptized) by a Project Manager in Dallas (in an IT company of all places!!). Migratory H1B desis in the south used to be a prime target of the Southern Methodists in the 90s. But who gives an effing hoot to the majority religion. I showed him my middle finger, and he could not do a thing, cause he needed my programming skillset.
When a person is hellbent on being successful, the success just comes. Thats the only mantra that works. Rest all is self-pity.
Your story is not unique. Nor is it solely you that made your success happen. US takes the weak & the tired from all over the world, and gives them an opportunity and a platform to rise and shine. Hence, stop hogging all the credit for yourself, you, a minority, benefited from the liberal policies of this country.
Now if you allow similar openness and freedom in India then maybe others too, minorities in India, can similarly rise and shine. Trust me everyone is better off in free & fair, open system, and you know that first hand. Think where you would have been if you had found all door in US closed.
Hence, be grateful, pay back the debt you owe to liberalism by opening the doors for others.
I can’t say I subscribe to those romantic notions about success being a result of persistence. If you are born in certain places in India and in certain castes no amount of ‘trying’ will get you to that position. If you are born in many inner cities you can certainly be successful but the odds of doing that are almost like winning a lottery. Now within other classes what you’re saying is to a great extent applicable. But not everywhere. If you’re living in Congo how many things can you really try out in life?
Oh that was brilliant Bandra, stated in the true mold of a liberal. I am reminded of “If you’ve got a business, you did not built that….” straight from the horse’s mouth. Except that in your zeal, you replaced ‘capitalist’ with ‘liberal’! As in, it was the ‘Capitalism’ and “Capitalist Policies’ of this Great Country which helped me and NOT the misplaced principles you ahere to. No one denies that basic protections such as social security and minimum wage are the absolute requirement of every great society. But effort coupled with risk taking are not given to anyone, a person has to have that ability within to succeed. However, you do not surprise me, cause liberals have claimed everything from having built the internet (Gore) to the more recent about having built the Indian Telecom System (Priyanka). But that was a gud one, for a moment I thought I was living in a socialist utopia, where all I had to do was show up and life’s luxuries would just get showered on me.
Satyam,
We are not talking about Congo here, we are discussing the US and India, both strong democracies. No one denies the plight of the dalits, but they too have had 60+ yrs of reservations aimed at elevating their status. But if their own messiahs (eg Mayawati, Yadav clans etc) do a disservice to their own people, who is to blame for it? Why do you think Modi managed to slice away layers upon layers of the aspirational segments within the lower castes? After all, an educated Dalit also needs opportunity, not the same old obeisance to Mayawati in return for nothing.
I also admit that the Indian system still needs to provide for basic protections (minm wage, social sec, etc). But if the revered Congress starts saying that Rs12/day will provide nutritious food to Indians, where the heck do u think any reform will come from? I am all for setting $1/hour of minm wage in India. Heck, we shud be able to at least manage 50cents/hr, it will be less than one-tenth of the US. But when the messiahs of socialism in India do not think of any such floors, who the heck is to blame?
Millennia of incredibly injustice and one of the most extraordinary sequences of human servitude and abjection in history cannot unfortunately be set right by a few decades of reservations! Important as these policies have been in many ways and incredible as some of the political emancipation has been for these castes in a relatively short period of time you still need a lot more time.
In all these ‘debates’ one of the things that always sadly clear to me is the degree to which people still have such a weak, even impoverished sense of so much Indian contemporary reality and history. There are people in India who’ve voted in a few elections but who’ve never seen a train. Think about what that means. We have an extraordinarily poor sense of what caste means, what all the relevant histories are, what kind of institution it has been. So on and so forth. And this is just one area though the crucial one at many levels.
I’m afraid I can’t subscribe to this paradigm whereby the lower caste politicians are always those taking their folks for a ride and somehow responsible for their continued immiseration and not playing by the normal rules that all other politicians have to submit to. There is a certain kind of biased discourse that crops up here which renders lower caste politics in completely ‘primitive’ terms.
Sure US is a capitalist country, the infrastructure is capitalistic. But the mindset of the people that control & manage this infrastructure is liberal. This is the open mindset that allowed you entrance, and then gave you an opportunity to “rise & shine”. AND TO THIS LIBERAL vales you owe a debt.
Won’t you in return offer the same open mindset to the minorities in India ? Without the embrace of this openness by the US, your hard work & tenacity would have amounted to nothing. Do you not see that you are in essence condemning the minorities of India to a life of nothing by closing your mind & heart to them ? Is that what you want ?
When you became successful, US and the world also gained from that success. Think how much India and the world will gain if we, learning from our collective experience in US, now do the required for the minorities in India. We have the Rosetta Stone, the road map to turn India into another US. But in order to get there we need to free our minds from hate and prejudice.
well for people on H1s and other work Visa I think republicans are more helpful. With Democrats it is more about illegal ones because they constitute vote bank. US is on path of becoming like India where people target different groups for votes.
People from outside don’t get preferential treatment but “same” treatment as citizens. We can argue people who reach US for work are typically well educated and so they are bound to do well but in same vein person working at 7-11 doesn’t get any special treatment or treated differently but have same opportunities as any other citizen.
Millennia of incredibly injustice and one of the most extraordinary sequences of human servitude and abjection in history cannot unfortunately be set right by a few decades of reservations!
This can be said even with reference to women of India of all castes.
If one really wants dalit emacipation, Mayawati is the right person with the right amount of energy. I just wonder why she did not penetrate southern india. Maybe the language barrier.
This is the most glibly ignorant statement I’ve heard. India is a ‘vibrant democracy’ where the disadvantaged can easily find success through hard work? Please! On most development statistics, India is far closer to Congo than to any Western democracy!
Do you really feel that the overwhelming majority of this country who are severely disdvantaged in so many ways: the illiterate (quarter of the population and nearly half of women), the starving children (around one in every three), the millions of sexually trafficked women etc do not succeed because of lack of hard work and spending money on beer and cigarettes?
Do you really think that all the farmers who commit suicide, all the mothers who die in childbirth due to lack of medical care and all the girls who are murdered as infants had a chance to succeed in this supposedly vibrant democracy?
Do you really believe that all the agricultural labourers, domestic help and construction workers who toil everyday for pitifully low wages are any less hardworking that successful IT professionals in the USA?!
For the middle and upper class to ignore the rights of the disadvantaged in India is to ignore the majority, NOT the minority. To ignore the fact that India has some of the world’s very worst social and economic indicators (on a per capita basis) and to blindly strive to ‘compete’ (on the most superficial terms) with advanced, industrialized, Western nations that are eons ahead in terms on holistic development is incredibly delusional and jingoistic.
P.S. This comment has nothing to do with the politics of Modi, but rather the aspirations of educated Indians who seem so determined to ignore the overwhelming evidence that it is absurd to class India in the same category as the USA and to pretend that a similar degree of socio-economic mobility exists, where anyone can elevate themselves merely by their own efforts.
I’ve long felt this and this was one of the reasons I was always so resistant to SRK’s iconic cinema or even many multiplex genres otherwise. The ‘new Indian’ mindset has always been symptomatic of this flight from history. Not that previous generations in the same classes were somehow more connected with other Indian realities but this paradigm of consumption has produced the ‘generation-in-a-hurry’. Now to some extent this is a global model (entrepreneurship and the like) but the assumptions of advanced liberal democracies are not as operative in India for obvious reasons. However there is a class of newly empowered folks, the ‘multiplex classes’ as I like to call them, who can nonetheless maintain a certain kind of parity with their Western counterparts or what have you. They often have the economic tools and they rarely bare the brunt of the political or institutional brutalities of the system. Hence they can very easily build a bridge in their minds between their own lives and those elsewhere in similar situations. But this comes about partly by evading ‘old India’. Not simply by ignoring it (this is something their predecessors would have done too) but by re-defining it as the atavistic or that which must be overcome and if this is not possible left behind in this march toward capitalist consumption which also goes by the name of globalization. Of course it is also true that the very same movement obtains in the West. In other words to maintain the ‘West’ you need those inhuman factories in Bangladesh or Mexico or wherever, you need the atrocities prevalent in the Congo, etc etc. As Zizek routinely points out the Congo is every bit the part of globalization that New York is or that the swanky parts of Shanghai or Bombay are. Once upon a time those work conditions existed in the heart of the West (Manchester). Since then they’ve outsourced to other countries. In this sense ‘rendition’ is the political equivalent of this format. You can’t torture people but your friends elsewhere can and you hide behind the legalistic argument. Similarly you cannot maintain those inhuman conditions anymore but other countries can. The classic example here is Apple where Foxcon in China does a lot of their work on screens and assembling and so on. Customers around the world see the seduction of the iPhone or iPad but not the work conditions of Foxcon. More recently there have been articles about how disgusting work conditions are in Amazon warehouses even in the US. These examples could be endlessly multiplied. The problem isn’t that free markets just need to be spread even more but that free markets precisely create and enable certain precise forms of immiseration. Incidentally this is something that after the last crash is being much more recognized and debated now that it was in the heady 90s. But to get back to the Indian example thew ‘new Indians’ follow this same essential and really ‘religious’ narrative of free markets that will liberate the world. Quite naturally anything then that hinders this ‘corporate’ logic of economics or the multi-nationalization of economics is immediately identified as a threat (not just in India by the way but even in the US or anywhere else). And so from lower caste politics to cinematic subversion of even the minimal kind everything and everyone becomes the enemy. Again this is not just about being unaware of other realities but trying to rewrite them in very programmatic ways. This is where abstractions are even more problematic than usual. There are different kinds of poverty, different kinds of political subjection, different kinds of abjection, so on and so forth. Bangladesh wasn’t a paradise before globalization took over. It is quite clear for example that even with collapsing buildings people would rather take the risk and work in those conditions than not. Because their lives are even worse off without this option. But this doesn’t mean one should simply follow the triumphalist globalization narrative in these matters. Partly for the reason that earlier waves of economic deprivation were also enabled by all kinds of colonialism. It’s like those who argue Africa wasn’t the greatest place in the world before the colonizers showed up. Perhaps (though this question doesn’t have an easy answer) but after colonization the colonizer bears some responsibility for all the re-ordering that came about. In India similarly, and to take another example, there was always caste but the precise structures we live with bear the traces of British mediation (for instance ‘untouchables’ exploded as a class under British rule). But the second reason is that once a certain economic system alters the landscape it makes even the poor more impoverished than before if they don’t get ‘with the program’. And this is not even to get into the shattering of the ‘world’ for so many of these people. If you’re living in Bombay you might have got an upgrade since the 70s if you belong to certain classes. As I’ve said before Amol Palekar got tired of taking the bus! But if you are that farmer somewhere in Madhya Pradesh who has to vacate his land and for the sake of a dam or something and who is then sent off to Rajasthan where he has no experience with the land or the new crops that he has to grow or whatever, if the same farmer in a different situation has to suddenly start working in a factory to survive because the older form of life isn’t available anymore this represents a loss of an entire world for that person. It’s not like migrating from Bombay to New York! Tough as immigration might be in many circumstances and I am hardly insensitive to this. Now some of this is simply about the ‘march of history’ as it were. One day there were cars, horses became obsolete and entire industries and livelihoods connected with the latter disappeared. It was tragic for the people with whom this happened but it couldn’t be said one could have lived with horses forever! We are living through another such age at the moment. Which is why greater vigilance and responsibility are required to work through these problems or at least try to understand them. My point isn’t that one simply shuts the door on this stage of capitalism or something. At the very least this would constitute a long philosophical project (which many are engaged with as we speak). But that there is simply no excuse for this kind of political irresponsibility that Indian’s multiplex generations, easily among the more anti-intellectual or even Philistine in the world, have eagerly embraced. The problem then is a certain complacency that borders on the idiotic but that in any case is politically reprehensible. This is the world of SRK’s cinema. This is really the ‘new Indian’ moment. Behind all the triumphalism and some of the good that undoubtedly came about one has to also balance out the deprivation that resulted in other quarters. We can no longer pretend to be naive about this stuff. Just on India and Indian cities there has been a barrage of works in recent years. That we continue to be so shows a level of bad faith. At a personal level and in political terms. We simply don’t care and we don’t wish to care about what’s happening in India. Then when there’s a Maoist attack of some sort we are horrified. Of course this sort of violence is revolting and must be condemned but perhaps one should also examine what happened to enable this kind of anarchy and violence in the first place.
India is still a feudal society and this trait runs strong. Even the creamylayer and emacipated dalits embrace this trait happily.
Remember that Khobragade woman and her domestic servant?
I could not bring myself to watch those election rallies addressed by non BJP parties as I saw many starved faces in the hot sun with no expression listening to speeches listlessly.
Ami, you have applied whatever I stated wrt the US context into the Indian context. For Gods sake, I never said that Indians are blowing money on beer/cigs, or that the environment is conducive for them to work hard and get them ahead. Those statements were made in the US context. Off course, I am not ignorant about India’s severe issues. Read my next comment to understand where I stand on the urgent need to provide basic protections (ie soc sec, minm wage, health, etc) to the Indian public.
“Correspondents say that it had earlier been strongly hinted that Mr Obama would visit the Golden Temple and the requirements and sensitivities associated with entering it.
Hansdeep Singh, a senior staff attorney for the United Sikhs lobby group, said: “If these rumours are true, this is a tremendously disappointing moment for the entire Sikh community and religious minorities in general.”
Man, these minority-pandering sickular fiberals are so bloody annoying! Why do they cos tangly demand such tokenism? 😉
Rajiv Mahotra vehemently opposes an article (note: not a government law or official suggestion but simply an opinion piece in the WSJ) which says that the Bible should be taught in American schools since it is a foundational text for a society with Christian roots. He says this:
“Teaching Bible is OK provided:
A) It is treated not as religion or belief but as political doctrine and mythology mixed with some history
B) All other faiths are equally represented in the curriculum”
Funnily enough it’s the same right-wingers who support Rajiv who would be absolutely incensed if an Indian were to respond to similarly to an article suggesting that the Bhagavad Gita is taught in Indian schools.
To be perfectly clear, I am not at all sympathetic to the pro-Christian right wing in the West either, I just brought these articles out to illustrate A) Liberal ideology does not have an anti-Hindu agenda and B) The minority perspective should look different when one is actually a minority in the West!
There is another aspect, ie, the acceptance by Hindus of the Western Legal System. The British Raj had already boxed and clipped Hindu Legal Rights to adhere to Western Law. Further, the Hindu Marraige Act was passed to disallow polygamy in Hinduism. Also, there never had been any Hindu Religious Law such as Sharia. So the Hindus already live their lives as Westerners. But Muslims in the East live lives based on Sharia which is different from Western Law. Therefore, much of the issues raised by them in the West also has got to do with their own preference to adhere to Sharia. There were open calls by Muslim clerics in UK to impose Sharia in their towns/ciites. Thus the recent scandal in the UK wrt Muslims segregating the sexes in schools where they had influence. Or the banning of veils in France, or the Swiss banning some mosques etc.
And by and large, liberals in Europe have continued to support the Islamic minority, irrespective of the fact that the Islamic minority is just a different religious right. It is not the majority Christian right, but it indeed is on the Right!! So it is oxymoronic for a true Leftist Liberal to be fighting for this minority.
The Russians and Chinese were true practitioners of Liberalism. They just banned every religion, whether large and small. No wonder they hardly had these issues to deal with.
Which (sane) left liberal fights for Sharia laws to be applicable in west?! Did the liberal West not provide shelter to Rushdie despite innumerable Fatwas? Has the liberal West not hailed Malala’s fight against the Taliban and Islamic extremism and elevated her to the status of a Demi-goddess? There is a different between fighting for a minority and fighting for minority extremism.
With all due respect Nykavi and it would take too long to flesh this out for which I don’t have the time but of your last 2-3 responses here 95-99% of the claims made are more about myth than reality. I could literally go sentence by sentence. I’ll just offer one example though — check out the work of Ramachandra Guha but the Indian constitution offers many special privileges for Hindu ‘tradition’ and not only Muslims (it does the same for many other groups too). It is true that polygamy is denied to the Hindu (and of course this riles the majority more than anything else! why should the minority be allowed to enjoy more women?!) but there are other privileges they have as well. Also it was the Hindu Right, precisely the people you like who did not want a uniform civil code because they wished to preserve all aspects of Hindu tradition. These debates at the time were long and complex ones, I can’t hope to get into this stuff here but the idea that the Muslim has a special privilege that no one has is myth. It is true in one area not in every other and it is balanced out by other kinds of privileges others have. For instance in many situations the Constitution gives undue deference to panchayat structures and so forth which then are the vessels through which the most repressive traditions are promulgated. There are many such examples. And there are comparable examples even in the West. Again the problem is precisely that myth can occur the value of truth over time. It is incumbent on one to actually read about this stuff and not just further the mythology. But yeah otherwise there are plenty of Republicans in the US who claim it’s disadvantageous to be a Christian in the US! These myths are operative in every democracy. Yes these are largely liberal democracies but if anything the Right has been resurgent over the past 20 years in all of these places. And everywhere they have a version of ‘oh the minority is having too much fun at our [majority] expense’! Anyway have to go now but really it’s disappointing to see such myths being propagated in sentence after sentence. There is to put it bluntly a problem of ‘knowledge’ here.
Ram Guha : An Eminent distorian who has no answers when he is encountered with FACTS. Read others who have shredded him with facts and he has no answer. He in his own words is Nehru Slave and Commie.
It actually reveals your lack of literacy to be brutally honest when you attack someone of the eminence of Ram Guha on the basis of journalistic rags or similar stuff online. One can of course disagree with him but the disagreement has to come from a position of knowledge. The is the Wendy Doniger analogy. Someone who has a summa cum laude in Sanskrit from Harvard is attacked by a right-wing freak show for not having enough knowledge of Sanskrit. Give me a break!
One can have all sorts of opinions but a certain literacy is required before one can be taken seriously. Of course one can live in an echo chamber where one invents facts and what not. Nothing new here. There are such freak shows all over the world in various contexts from the Islamists running around all over the place to Christian fundamentalists to the various nationalisms to science-deniers (global warming etc) and so forth. This isn’t even about being on the right or the left. It is about being so in completely stupid ways. And even saying this is to dignify what goes on.
When someone attacks Ram Guha for not knowing his stuff one knows one has to move on. This will be my last word on this topic with you today. As I said the other day it’s funny how people attack Harvard or Oxford scholars or what have you and then are desperate to send their children to the same the first chance they get. They’re not exactly tripping over each other to send their kids to Varanasi or something! So yeah let’s keep filling the BJP coffers from abroad, let’s keep abusing the likes of Wendy Doniger but hey please let us study at Harvard or Cambridge!
“Of course the irony is that many Indians who support Modi or many Islamist-types or whatever suddenly demand the fullest freedoms and liberals guarantees in the West and are the most indignant when they detect the slightest bias in any sense. You can’t be one thing when you have the comfort of being in a majority back home and another thing when you’re in a minority. And the argument always is that the situations are different. Yeah right!”
” demand the fullest freedoms and liberals guarantees in the West and are the most indignant when they detect the slightest bias in any sense.”
I continue to see Ganesha on potty seats, Brahma on shoes and Lakshmi on flip-flops. Hindus are most tolerant, quiet and accommodating people (the only other group who is like us are people from Thailand) who do their work quietly with head down and don’t make big deal. Our kids, Ami, HAVE to participate in lot of x-mas stuff at schools and nary a mention of Hindu festivals apart from the pressure to accept J.C. on a daily basis from schools and churches. Where as the minorities in India have lot of power/rights in India over the majority.
“I continue to see Ganesha on potty seats, Brahma on shoes and Lakshmi on flip-flops”
Christianity is mocked far more widely in popular culture in the West, be it in films (Chocolat), musicals (Book of Mormon) or scathing media comment and satire (every liberal outlet in the West) and symbols such as the cross are presented in all kinds of utterly irreverant contexts. Similarly, Buddha has been appropriated by popular culture the world over in all sorts of situations (ex: Buddha Bar, drug use).
These are MUCH more widespread than Ganesha on potty seats and Lakshmi on flip-flops which are very niche items and hardly a mainstay of popular culture (Indian mythological figures are represented increasingly in the West, but mostly in innocuous contexts such as t-shirt graphics etc). The US has immigrants from innumerable cultures and the festivals of every minority cannot be celebrated on such a large scale, especially when Hindus are not even one of the largest immigrant groups. But on the other hand, in the UK, Hindus form one of the largest immigrant groups and festivals such as Holi and Diwali are very high-profile and celebrated at several schools and universities.
It is only a fringe of one religion, Islam that protests against such representations, and now a fringe of Hindus are seeking to imitate them by protesting against and pulping every perceived ‘threat’ to Hinduism. (The very idea that a religion that has survived several thousands of years could be ‘threatened’ or ‘hurt’ by one pop starlet donning a Bindi or one swimsuit which features an Indian goddess is patently absurd!)
And why do you have a problem with schools celebrating Christmas in the USA, if you feel that minorities in India should accept the Hindu roots of the society/culture?!
Ami, you are chosing to read my comment but not see that I was responding to you, what you stated in your previous statement. Read my comment in context, please and not independently and start a *new* debate 🙂
You do not understand. India gives minorities too much power. The laws are too pro-muslim, pro-reservation, pro-women and they are far too many welfare schemes to benefit the poor. Who wants to live in Scandinavia or Singapore when you can instead be a poor Indian Muslim man with four families to feed? Or a poor, lower-caste Indian woman who can benefit from every kind of reservation possible?
P.S. Statistically, a Hindu man is more likely than an Indian Muslim to have more than one wife, but let’s just ignore that and imagine the enviable life of Indian Muslim men, each of whom have a personal harem sponsored by the Congress; it’s amusing to note exactly how much of NYKavi’s criticism centres around this! 😛
P.P.S: I’m obviously not excusing the polygamy law. I strongly think that there should be a uniform civil code (that is not based on any religous mandate) and that polygamy should be banned for all religions. But legal privileges do not necessarily translate into real-world privileges!
I too will say that a secular democracy should not have special privileges for anyone. It’s not one-sided the way the Right pretends it is but nonetheless there shouldn’t be anything of the sort all round. Having said that given the mammoth challenges the framers faced at the time in every sense imaginable some of these ‘compromises’ at various levels seem understandable though I think there should have been a sunset clause of some kind and certainly today all of these should be retired. Except for those dealing with caste or social laws that impact caste issues and so on. Or similarly completely disadvantaged groups on many situations. No Muslim is disadvantaged by not being allowed polygamy! Not that many engage in it anyway. But the problem is that the moment you try to keep certain things in place for caste disadvantages or women in rural communities or whatever the Muslim politicians raise a stink and the whole process is derailed.
I totally agree with your above comments. A sunset clause should be applied now. Also, one cannot end caste or social laws, unless universal upliftment has been achieved, which we are very very far away from.
“P.S. Statistically, a Hindu man is more likely than an Indian Muslim to have more than one wife”
And that would be legal?? Rather, Hindus go through a sham conversion to Islam just so that they could engage in polygamy. Why even let this happen? What about women’s rights, those just get pushed under the rug for minority appeasement? I mean, you can’t have it both ways can you?
I said in the next comment that I’m very strongly against polygamy and want a uniform civil code for all religions! 🙂 I do NOT think it should be legal. I only mentioned that to point out that just because the constitution grants completely unfair privileges to some, it does not translate into real world benefits. This is for those who think that Hindus are being oppressed by Muslims because of the polygamy laws.
” This is for those who think that Hindus are being oppressed by Muslims because of the polygamy laws”
Au Contraire, this shud be an example negating the thinking of those who think Muslims are being repressed and prevented from practice of their religion!
I am tired of this fake “Polygamy” preferential crisis. Even in KSA, the percentage of men with multiple wives is decking. Forget India, even in KSA it is hard for an average family to make its end meet.
Hence it is not a norm but more or less an aberration. Focusing on this is merely a diversion. There far bigger and important issues to address. Why waste time and energy on an issue which is so trivial.
If Moslems want it, let them have it. If Hindus also want (for sake of equality) then let them also have it. One way or the other, our busy & expensive lives today has already made this practice rare.
NYKavi: Like I said, there is a difference between a legal prescription and ground realities and this statistic illustrates it perfectly. Legally, Muslims might be more ‘privileged’ in that they are allowed polygamy, but in reality it is Hindus who practise it at a higher rate. So IMO bringing up these legal allowances alone is little proof of the alleged special privileges that Muslims enjoy.
Also one should attempt to solve something which is solvable. There is no way one can prevent this, I.e. Bring it to a dead halt.
Hence given the fact this is statistically an insignificant issue and that it cannot be completely controlled, let’s move on to issues that are rampant, and that can be managed.
Muslims of Gujarat got so much airtime but not a mention of exiled in their own country Pandits, by media. So even though India is country where majority are Hindus, we are still persecuted lot in our own country! NaMo bent backwards rehabilitating the muslims and still had to suffer the congress backed media scrutiny day and night.
I just want to ask a question to those hindus who are supporting modi. Do they want to support hindutva of RSS or modi in his new avatar as a secular head who wont upset the present running set up?
Do you think people (average/majority) care for Ram Temple? People want bread, water, electricity, house and opportunities to grow. They may be swayed at times but not repeatedly. How many times BJP asked votes in name of Ram temple and how many times it got? And you have the answer. The current vote is for development if people think otherwise it is at their own peril. They (NDA) may mix development with some amount of Temple and other things (to satisfy core supporters) but I think Development should be the goal otherwise they may get booted out like Congress has been in this elections.
More than development, inflation should be controlled and the previous government fell due to inflation, petrol/diesel price revisions and not due to lack of development. Development was held to ransom because of CAG reports about imaginary losses, court judgments and fear of CBI inquiries in every project, BJP boycotting the parliament almost continuously, Anna Hazare movement, Kejriwal attacks. Inspite of that UPA 2 did not stop development along with social welfare measures.
One can interpret the election result in different ways. Vote for development, vote for a strong charismatic person like modi, vote for anti secularism, vote for anti congress, vote for change.
My personal opinion is it is vote for a strong charismatic person, a superhero who will solve all problems as quickly as possible.
That element is certainly there. Because even when one votes for development or progress these are still abstract ideas. They have to be crystallized in a politician’s persona or platform and so forth. Even when there’s a strong anti-incumbency wave and the ‘anything but the present govt’ syndrome there still has to be a credible alternative or someone/something that appeals enough to constitute a wave and not just a regular change election.
That is true but Congress has been run like this, So is AAP, so is any regional party. We voters are attracted to one personality. But it is also true in field of sports, don’t we revere our Sachin, Dhoni rather than the team? Or SRK or Salman takes the credit of movie when it is a team effort?
Very much true but please remove Dhoni from that list. He is very much a team man and his USP till now has been team wins against accumulating records.
On a different note I am also happy Modi has effectively driven us closer to US presidential form of elections where personality sets the agenda for the term. Very soon the core will stick to their party and it’s the independent /reasonable voter that will swing the poll results.
“Do they want to support hindutva of RSS or modi in his new avatar as a secular head who wont upset the present running set up?”
You in India deserve a “rob”ert vadra, colonial-mafia govt who rapes and loots y’all on daily basis instead of a modi who is sadhu like!
This is such a misleading statistic. They had no presence in the South, East and North-East. One cannot just average it out nationally. Check their voteshares in the west and north.
They will soon make inroads into Bengal and Odisha, even in Kerala. Just wait and watch.
The RSS has one of the most developed apparatuses in Kerala. Wonder when they will open an account there! As for the rest you won’t be the first person to be disappointed by this ‘march of history’ that you think heads in only one direction! One day you’ll be embarrassed to even admit to this stuff in front of your kids and grandkids. I kid you not!
Not to take anything away from Modi/ BJP landslide victory, but the background is bit more cluttered than a clinical sweep which seems on paper. Apart from the vote share percentage and timely vote divisions due to prominence of AAP, once we go through the elected list of MPs, there are a bunch of criminals sitting there esp. in UP/Bihar where a lot of chor uchakas rode on the anti incumbency and Modi wave.
Firstly the party should thank AAP which did most of the dirty work in exposing Congress and the big anti corruption uprising among the commoners. Then there was the absolute silence of Manmohan Singh which Kamal Nath rightly said hurt them a lot. From an educated point of view and not jingoistic sloganeering one has to appreciate all the work Manmohan and Montek did for the Indian economy in the last 10 years and steered India through few tough global times. Though the guys is not a regular politician but in this day and age where u talk more and do less he was a misfit for political calculations as far as congress is concerned. Lastly how can one ignore Rahul Gandhi – the single most reason most including me are happy we have an alternative. Even if we let go all the comical satirist approach to his politicking how could anyone take him seriously. He was given a decent mandate in 2009 and the guy did not even take a single position, not a single responsibility in the govt or to do something to serve the people who elected his party. Now either he was holidaying this whole period and ignorant or simply preparing for his exit with the loot taking cut in all the govt deals and building his Swiss account which Manmohan could not stop him.
So this victory is part served on a platter to Modi with just 6/7 months of heavy duty electioneering where all seems to have fallen in place. His real test is governance for next 5 years and how he curbs the ‘chor Indian mentality’ residing in all fields at the moment. But either way he is the most suited man for the post at the moment for India and this change was much needed. His strong personality has power to galvanize the liberals/ secular brigade as meaningful watchdogs and should also serve as wake up call to the minorities to work harder for their rights and not be used simply as vote bank.
“Millennia of incredibly injustice and one of the most extraordinary sequences of human servitude and abjection in history cannot unfortunately be set right by a few decades of reservations! Important as these policies have been in many ways and incredible as some of the political emancipation has been for these castes in a relatively short period of time you still need a lot more time. ”
Once again, I am not calling for an end to reservations. All I stated was that despite it, the creamy layers and emancipated dalits have not had their aspirational desires fulfilled. Mayawati and Yadavs have let them down, so they jumped to the BJP. A rising tide lifts all boats, if there is economic revival, prosperity will result. So lets just wait and watch. Now if the BJP is unable to kick start the economy, in 5 yrs time, those same voters will ditch it.
However, I do hope that the BJP gets sounds advise and does something to ensure a fair and enforceable minm wage to all Indians. If a floor is set under the economy, it will zoom up much faster than just going with a top-down purely capitalist approach.
You seem to seek a free reign for BJP over the next five years. Yet, it was BJP which for the past few years bought the government to a standstill. Yes there was corruption etc, but the resistance to any governance added to the lack of response to the day to day suffering of the common person. NOW should the opposition return the favor and do the same block & resist ?
Lol poor NYKavi. He is having to answer all these questions. I presume he is one of 600 million people who voted, but he is accountable now for Modi’s success now.
In the whole history of India and the future millions of years to come, this will represent a dot on the landscape! It’s hardly going to ruin the country or make it a superpower forever. It’s all ifs and buts.
Sounds to me like this was a home run election. A landslide victory nationally. The whole country will be accountable in the end.
First of all, there is no proof that he instigated the riots. He could not control them, and it is debatable as to whether he chose to ignore, or if he was even complicit. He has blamed his inexperience at that time, and the lethargic response of neighboring state police and army in coming to his aid.
However, now that he is PM and he has the full force of India’s security apparatus at his disposal, there can be no excuse if a riot does not get controlled asap. If another Gujarat happens under his watch, I would petition for the govt to be recalled before the 60 months are up.
LOL, the old ‘proof’ argument. Not sure how much ‘proof’ there ever exists in any such situation in the legalistic sense of the word. There is no document bearing Hitler’s signature ordering the Holocaust. He might not have been responsible!
As for ‘inexperienced’ Modi I thought his whole calling card was super-competent administration? What happened here? but never mind at least he built the highways. We can excuse him a riot or two, a pogrom or two. Suddenly Gujarat’s security forces weren’t enough.. hmm..
But he deserves a second chance. It’s a strange world where riots/pogroms (enabled or incompetently managed) earn one second chances more easily than ruining a multiplex development project! I can’t say I;m surprised!
Satyam, get your timeline right. He was CM for barely 4-5 months when the riots happened. He was placed as a CM just because of political fights between existing BJP stalwarts in the state, and in fact he would have been a placeholder until those conflicts ended. No one talks about the disproportionate role of Togadia/Sighal and the VHP/Bajrang fringe in these riots. In a perverse twist, the riots and polarization helped him win the 2002 State elections. But past that, he fell out with the same uncontrollable fringe elements which fanned the riots, precisely because he did not want another re-run. No one talks about the fact that by 2004-5 these guys were baying for Modi’s blood, and actively connived to pull him down in the 2007 elections. By then, he had totally sidelined these lunatics, because they kept posing roadblocks in his development mantra. He had more than 200 temples destroyed, just so he could widen highways and efficiently utilize land occupied by these illegal structures. Does any mainstream press talk about that? They will keep harping about Babri, but Modi has been the biggest destroyer of Hindu temples since Aurangzeb!!
Satyam :
To take your argument for argument sake
Yes one Pogrom to 100 pogroms by Congress Nehru Dynasty .
One pogrom where 300 preperators were killed by army bullets vs Not a single bullet fired.
One pogrom which was covered and investigated by SC vs 100 pogroms of Congress/ Dynasty with no investigation.
One pogrom where hundreds are convicted vs Dynsaty pogroms where not a single conviction.
One pogrom vs Congress pogrom in Neelie.
One pogrom vs Congress pogrom in Delhi sikhs
One pogrom vs Congress pogrom in Bhagalpur.
One pogrom vs congress dynasty pogrom in Ahmedabad
There is no comparison between one Pogrom vs 100 Congress dynasty pogroms.
This one pogrom is only one pogrom investigated by left wing cottage industry NGO’s, Media, Central govt for last 10 years with every instrument of state at disposable.
ps : Without googling you may be not even knowing longest running riot in India and who did it ?
Your entire comment is kiddish. Your own comment can tie you in knots but the you are most of time ignorant of facts and just revel in your own long words.
You speak like true extremist that what I think and believe is Truth and not facts and if facts say otherwise I put them in garbage. Only my delusion is the True reality..
“Development was held to ransom because of CAG reports about imaginary losses, court judgments and fear of CBI inquiries in every project, BJP boycotting the parliament almost continuously, Anna Hazare movement, Kejriwal attacks.”
Oh cmon Sanjana. Now you blame everything under the sun except for the Cong’s own scams?? How blind can one be to the monstrosity of corruption under that regime? They had a good mandate, they couldve achieved 90% of urgent reforms without legislation. Instead they chose to pander and plunder. A national party just does not end up with less than 50 seats, unless there was extreme bitterness on the ground.
And seriously, for everyone who thinks that Modi managed the media well to ensure his victory. That just sounds like all the anti-Aamir fans who blame his marketing for his stupendous success!!
I am not blind to Congress’s faults like Vadra factor, Rahul’s lacklustre leadership, Sonia Gandhi’s not interacting with media, the enigma called MMsingh and their silence about 1984 and not taking timely action against the corrupt, their arrogance.
They gave something to the public and they took away more than that by wild capilatalist friendly moves like privatisation and price determination for petrol products. I was disappointed with Priyanka Gandhi. For her only her husband and her family matters. She is not like Indira Gandhi who she resembles .Indira Gandhi also loved her family but she also fought for the country and her party. Sonia gandhi might have been an asset for the party because of her connection to nehru family but she is also a liability due to her not able to connect effectively on her own.
The hindus have been trampled upon for 1000s of years, so you can’t really blame them for having identity crisis, shame and deep inferiority complex, you will see sample of them here on SS and elsewhere. As for desi English language media, they need a CPR or defibrillation for the cardiac arrest they are experiencing.
Next the west empowered its minorities and gained too.
Today in the west they look for more & more disenfranchised groups to empower, because they see the benefit to the nation in doing so.
Unfortunately in India we divide, peddle hate, & suppress (while calling it appeasement) and then wonder why we have so many problems.
No Modi, nobody can do anything till we first leave behind hate and prejudice. Hence I am looking fir a leader who will unite us. Tell us to forget the past and focus on the future
West doesn’t sweep under carpet Holocaust or Slavery but teach their young and future genearations about them and also that present generation is not responsible for their sins.
In India due to Nehru planting left historians even Aurangzeb is secular… Mughals were great and they killed none…. Its this nonsense peddled by left wing historians is countered with evidences they instead of refuting evidence indulge in character assassination.
Just one example and there are thousands like I did on riot history….
Rest Indians are united by Modi. We know there are fringe elements and we also know who they are and why they are fringe…
Most divisive party ever there is in India, Its Nehru Congress. Identity politics is great gift of Nehru like his many sins and crimes… As someone righty said Dynasty opportunistically feeds divisive politics..
There you go again. Moghals were horrible, everyone was horrible, except your personal Idols.
No one did any good for India, except of course your personal idols 🙂
Say even if that is true, does it help to fester hate ?
Nothing will matter unless India moves forward with all it’s strength united. Divisions held us back as much as corruption has held us back. We just saw the backlash against corruption, when will we see THE BACKLASH against division.
As I said, I am waiting for that leader who can convince us all that our success lies in our unity. A leader who finds a way to reach out and touch everyone.
Bandra : There you go again on ranting when no answers 🙂 It happens, Facts or queries which have no answers or answer that breaks the common peddled narrative makes life miserable.
Rocky : There Education, GK, IQ and History begins and stops at Guj 2002 28th Feb, not even one day before because Train carnage is Myth by CoR followers…
Who peddles hate and who are talking. Those who think of Holocaust, Hitler, Fascism even before they think of Modi… In last 12 years who peddled hate?
Totally agree Bliss, and that is why with the exception of Satyam ( because I have seen him go after the other side with equal force) , I usually do NOT engage with these people….
Di, IMO it is counter-productive to be affected by the last 1000 yrs of Indian history. Its not like Hindu Kings were doyens of peace, or practitioners of Raj-Dharma, neither were their kingdoms any semblance of Ram-Rajya. Had they been so exalted and ethical, they would not have let the Caste Sytem eat away at the foundations of society. Had they been selfless, they would have all been united, and they would have stopped the Islamic invasion at their doorstep. But clearly, thats now how the script got written. So, it is useless to argue about pre-independence history.
Similarly, at present, it is useless to argue about 2002. Clearly, a democratic process has elected Modi with a thumping win. We just have to accept and move on, and sincerely hope that he indeed does good for the nation. If he does not, he will be kicked out in 2019. Simple.
It has been said by scholars that Jesus of faith was far more charismatic than Jesus of history. Facts cannot ever compete against fiction.
Hence in your contrived fictional history, Akbar was evil. It helps you to think that because that justifies your current hate. BUT historians (third party) look at India during Akbar’s watch and find no poverty. The British have written that they could not identify one product that they could sell to India (during Akbar’s watch), that was superior or cost less.
But as I said, you just want to stir the pot of animosity. You keep on slinging fake history to keep the divisions going.
Remember India just threw out the corrupt and this tells us that it has the strength to throw out the divisive also.
My simple question has always been: Why is it that a Christian Europe managed to stop Islamic invasion from entering Europe, but a Hindu India did not? The answer lies in what the religions did to their people. Whereas Christianity had unified their local populations, Hinduism had not.
Christianity did not stop Islam actually. The Arabs were in Spain for centuries. They were in complete control of the Iberian peninsula. They were constantly threatening French territories and so on. Later the Ottomans were in Europe for centuries or at least too close for comfort. They of course controlled large swathes of Eastern Europe. The idea that empires stop other empires on the basic of religion is the worst kind of myth though one propagated by British colonialism and internalized by Hindu reformist forces even as early as the 19th century. There was for instance the idea that monotheisms are more successful, they have a central text and so on. Hence the effort by Hindutva to make the Ramayana the central text and so forth.
There is this subversive thing about history, provided one is really in search of the facts and not mythology. No matter what ‘essentialism’ you support history will deconstruct it. I will right now throw out this challenge to anyone who cares to take it up. Throw out an essentialism based on nation or ethnicity or race or religion or geography or whatever and I will proceed to deconstruct it. Again this is only for those who are willing to follow the historical record and not simply interested in versions to further their anecdotal sense of reality or to serve various mythologies.
on this note I noticed earlier Di’s comment that the Hindus have been trampled on for thousands of years. Not that Di is ever anywhere close to the facts in most matters but only someone who knows nothing about Indian history could have said something like this. It is utter nonsense.
LOL, so to defend Akbar, bring up development ( and forget all the atyachaars on Hindus by Akbar),, but to discredit Modi-forget development bring up ( fake charges of ) 2002.
Lage Raho bhai….kya logic hai !!!!!!!!
Bandara – I have been taught to offer a Salaam to a Masjid everytime I pass one, even today I do that commuting to and from work.
I am not one of those who refuse to say Vande Matram and Bharat Mata kee Jai !! ( I am pretty sure , yopu will have a hard time saying that )
so go and preach your hatred to someone else !!
It is one thing to make up history, but now you are making up the present also ?
Turkey straddles Europe and Asia. It is THE muscle of NATO.
Bosnia is smack in Europe
Albania again smack in Europe.
This is not about religion. It us about efficiency on one hand and compassion on the other. The system that is most efficient and most compassion is adopted. The system that is not gets rejected.
Bandra, NATO was not formed in 800AD! I am referring to Islam trying to enter Europe back then. Not sure how you think I made up history or the present.
As for efficiency and compassion, clearly, every Muslim ruler co-opted the positives of the Indian populace. If 1000 yrs of Muslim Rule could not totally annihilate Hinduism, surely there were positive aspects that even the great Mughals found attractive. They even adopted several Hindu Royal traditions. They too revered the Ganges, as much as only drinking the pure water of the Ganga, due to its exalted status amongst their subjects. The simple fact is that India with its size and diversity has always had an effect on its newcomers to co-opt rather than to destroy. That was the only way to govern this land.
This is another myth — that every Muslim ruler started out with the explicit mission of ‘annihilating’ Hinduism. In wars in those (and not only then) there was a lot of desecration of cultural monuments and so forth that were great tragedies for the people concerned. There were brutal conflicts in which all kinds of atrocities occurred. But there is nothing unique about what even the most extreme Muslim invaders did in India in a historical sense. I would like to reverse every such atrocity if I could but that is just the way of history. All cultures do it to various levels. In India itself Buddhism was more or less chased out of India. Ever wonder why in the land of Buddha there are such few Buddhists while there are so many in East Asia? Because there was at least four centuries of strife in India between Hindus and Buddhists before the former decisively won. I could talk about other histories here. From Dravidians to adivasis (who call the Hindus ‘diku’ or ‘outsider’ in many of their languages) the ‘Aryan’ Hindu is the first colonizer or at least the one who did this before the Muslims and the British. There is no ‘natural’ connection of Hinduism to Indian history. This too is a myth. Hindu presence in India has a history. Forget everything else. Within the very fabric of Hindu practices (which I hesitate to define as Hinduism inasmuch as this word too is a colonial invention) you have one of the worst oppressions of human recorded history in the treatment meted out to lower castes of all kinds. So how far and how sincerely do you want to follow history?!
Again it is very important not to judge the past by our present day standards. So for instance slavery was a terrible practice but it was also par for the course in different cultures at different points in time. Today too there are forms of near-slavery that exist. people in the future will wonder how we managed to support economic systems that depended on child labor and what not! What the Muslims did in India or what many of them did was fairly typical by historical standards. There were many worse examples of such behavior as well. It’s not right but historically typical the way many things in history are are typical at certain points in time.
Once again this is a question of ethics and sincerity. Does one have either one in equal measure to wish to pursue the truth. One can just chase the mythology but every culture does this or there are many people in every culture who follow this line of thought. This is the kind of thinking that leads to the desecration of the other’s heritage.
They completely, completely forget that there were NO riots in last 12 yrs in Gujarat. Riots in Gujarat were most common place, every yr, small riots occurred!! There was godhra and 2002, when poor thing had just come to power an d was a rookie in all ways. But not once there were riots or hate politics. You really need to listen to his speeches (though ino Gujarati); they are aweinspiring. He who is sadhu like, he who is sattvic, he whose ideals are Swami Vivekananda…really he is above lot of congress funded mud slinging that has been going on for last 10 + yrs. They tired everything but in the end jeet toh satya ki hi hoti hai. So ab acchey din aa gaye hai. If you like, you can relocate from Bandra to some other country like KRK.
Seems like someone would rather be a Bhagoda than say Vande Matram and Bharat Mata kee Jai !!
chalo koi naheen !!
P.S. – Keju avoided chanting Vande Matram in Muslim dominated areas…hot hai !! it is called good communalism !!
I did not have the heart to break the facts to our historically challenged friends. But I knew if destiny wills it, the message will find its way to the misguided.
If the myths that are being bandied around here were coming from some uneducated blokes, I would understand. But what is shocking is that these myths are being propagated by educated & successful humans. What is worse is that I suspect even after you have set the records straight, with facts from verifiable history, these guys will repeat the same myths again as if this discussion never ever took place.
Satyam, nice try, you guys keep saying forget the past, but can’t seem to forget 2002, but do not want to remember Godhra. anyways this discussion is going nowhere , so I am done .
India First, Zor sey bolo- Vande Matram, Bharat Mata kee Jai !!!! Please , Please do not damage the Amar Jawan Jyoti Memorial !!
As soon as facts get injected into the discussion, as soon as your “anecdotes” get ripped apart, you ….. RUN.
But you will come back again, on a later date, in a different thread, and repeat these discredited myths again.
I don’t think you want to get to the truth. I think you just desire to keep the fire of hate & division burning inspite of the truth. But you know what, more and more people now GET IT . This time they focused on eradicating corruption, next time these very people will focus on eradicating those that divide Indians.
Bharat Mata kee jai is not a mere slogan, but people who don’t respect Bharat Mata will no understand. as for running away, you are the one who ran (bhagoda) yesterday, and came back only when Satyam replied for you !!
Since you have refused to Say Bharat Mata kee jai- No More responses to your rants !!
Lage raho History ko spin karney..I am off to a Client meeting !!
P.S.- History chodo yahan toh Soney kee baby doll Present ko bhee spin kar rahee hai…
Yeh EVM Lohe kee. Main Baby Doll Soney kee !!!LOL!!
I don’t mean to be wistful about the past and critical about the present. Indeed, I wish to say precisely the opposite. It is often forgotten that the great promise of socialism was not only that it would discipline inequality and end poverty but also that it would bring about India’s industrial transformation, just as it had in the Soviet Union. In the end, nothing of that sort happened. Socialism neither ended poverty nor did it bring about economic transformation. It only brought khadi, bicycles, bad roads, inadequate power, awful housing, terrible public buildings, wretched public transport, substandard industrial products, a bloated bureaucracy, social domination by a class speaking Oxbridge English, and political dominance by those who blindly believed in the state and profoundly distrusted private initiative and business.
The electronic media is asking why gandhis should be still be bosses in the congress forgetting that the same Sonia made it possible for the congress to rule the country for 10 years. Successes and defeats are part of life and why so much panic?
Fitting reply to another Jholawala by R Jaganath !!
The only thing old and hackneyed is the idea that Modi is about to unleash a wave of Hindutva where Trishul-wielding militants will be Talibanising and terrorising India. Unfortunately, this is an idea that can be dispelled only over the tenure of Modi’s prime ministership. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Meanwhile, anyone, including Gopal Gandhi, is free to continue with his scare-mongering tactics http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-gopal-gandhis-open-letter-to-modi-is-wrong-headed-and-odious-1531867.html
There is no IQ difference between Gandhi progeny and Nehru Progeny. Both belong to base level. Just Nehru’s wielded immmense political power so they are praised, worshiped by sycophants
I was really worried to see clamor for Rahul’s resignation. Thank God he is still there. He ( Dynasty) is biggest polling agent for Modi. Tiger vs lamb.
Do you know how many seats BJP got in its first attempt in 1984? Only 2. So lets say AAP has done doubly well. No one really expected AAP to get a lot of seats but it gave the wonderful opportunity to spread out and have a base all over the country.
So now AAP has a cell in every state, and people are aware that there is such a party.
Kejriwal was able to get 2lakhs plus votes – all from scratch, with hardly any money and as far as I’m concerned a great achievement – inspite of all the bjp gundas intimidating the volunteers and not letting AK or anyone speak at jansabhas by shouting zombie-like ‘modi modi modi’ ughhhh!!!
But read my comments below.
The nation has a PM by EVM manipulation!!!
Articles of the type you have posted are talking of AK, but NOT of people (or EVM manipulation) .
People who have filled one third of the parliament with criminals by voting for them (if not EVM manipulated) – BJP itself has 98 criminals in there.
So people preferred a Yedurappa to … lets say… a decent well educated AAP candidate with a clean background.
The richest Parliament ever with every third member a criminal. Jai Hind!!!
Delhi has had many rape incidents, murders and a high criminal activity.
Basically a law and order issue.
If under Modi’s rule, if this city becomes safe for women and law abiding citizens, it will be a good achievement. The police under the new dispensation may become more accountable and less corrupt, hopefully.
LOL!!!
Massive Modi? Really? With 31% of the total votes? That too by heavy EVM manipulation? Cheating.
I had a gut feeling this was the case when suddenly BJP started winning seats where there chances were less.
-Not only were the fb pages of bhakts full of how many times they voted but I have first hand information from my relatives whose household help happily informed them how she and her husband went to Agra to vote there “too” and many did that.
-Then there is the seal tag being found in Mumbai on the *hold your breath* – roadside.
-And this one takes the cake. A certain character in Varanasi, sitting at home with a set of EVMs a day before theVaranasi elections – 11th May. The timeline status then had several of hid supporters joking about it, and he declaring – iss baar Modi sarkar ko lana hi hai.
This was all over the twitter yesterday, and today he has taken it off. But it is now all over.
In case anyone thinks it is a photoshopped picture there is a forensic proof as well.
This cant be an isolated case. With media and everyone in their pockets no one will do anything. So there is a PM there wholly by cheating the nation.
ha ha ha OG – u have no idea how vaccum-tight are these EVMs – no one can manipulate…..but yeah like Shobhaa De if u are hell-bent on modi-bashing – nothing can work 🙂 Even shobhaa had to ack. Modi ……..http://shobhaade.blogspot.in/
LOL! OldGold, please stop this ridiculous “68% did not vote for him” meme, this is a first-past-the-post system. The more parties that contest and divide the votes, the lower the winner’s voting percentage. Does this mean that in 2009, 63% did not vote for UPA, or in 2004, 66% did not vote for the UPA, or 63% did not votre for NDA in 1999, etc etc? Please, this is a juvenile comment, AAP needs to educate itself about how Indian democracy operates.
This election is a slap in the face to all the caste-based and appeasement parties. Every party was fighting for another slice of the pie which they could claim based on their caste or religious affiliation. The BJP just skimmed away the creamy layers from all these castes/sub-castes/religions. This was bound to happen. When they boxed the BJP to just run after upper-caste votes, they pulled a Mandal on the Mandalists. They fielded an OBC for the PM post. Now, neither the Yadavs nor Mayawati could fight the BJP with their anti-uppercaste propaganda. And your dear old AAP helped them mightily by splitting all the Muslim votes away from SP and Congress.
The North and North-West are fertile grounds for caste mashups. The BJP in-fact took a page from Mayawati’s book, she tried and suceeded in stitching a Dalit-Brahmin alliance in her 2007 victory. The BJP stitched a upper-caste/OBC/aspirationalDalit/aspirationalMuslim alliance. Those numbers were enough to pip everybody else. Unless India discards this Westminister model of democracy, any opportunist party will keep doing the same.
Well OG, if you want to whole-heartedly accept incredulous conspiracies, just live with it. And keep shouting about it for the next 5 years. Only the AAP can spin such theories, and they have proved themselves to be unethical opportunists. Now they want to go back and form a govt in Delhi!! Another U-Turn my Mr Kejriwal.
So why did the Samajwadi Party get a majority in UP state in 2011 with only a 29% voteshare? Or the BSP in 2007 with a 30% voteshare?
Your arguments are silly.
So now we are comparing Modi wave with UP state in 2011 with only a 29% voteshare, or the BSP in 2007 with a 30% voteshare? Only in states too, not the whole country!!!
That’s exactly what I was pointing at.
This is NOT AAP conspiracy. The picture turns up, and every honest person would want to know what is this all about.
BUT there have been many many irregularities with no action just a fanatical race to make Modi PM by hook or crook with everyone in the paid pockets of BJP.
20 years from now wikileak might come up with the truth. Till then Jai Banana India Republic.
You do realize how pissed Congress is with AAP, precisely because it split out all their votebanks. In fact, with obvious obliviousness and ignorance, the AAP became the Team B of Modi.
BJP ne Congress ko Jhaadu lagaya hai. They chipped away Congress votes everywhere. Kejriwal could not get appreciation in the BJP votebanks, so he dived into and found support from the Cong votebanks. Seriously, an IITian making such an elementary mistake. And now he has forever tainted himself with his antics.
My Dear, the Lok Sabha elections in the North/North-West have played out exactly how the state elections get played out. In the Lok Sabha, the BJP got a 40+% voteshare in UP to land 73 (90%) seats. In the state elections, SP got a 55% majority in 2011 with 29% voteshare. Every 1% voteshare over 30% in UP results in ever more increasing seats. Go ask professional psephologists, they will tell you how it works.
This scenario has repeated in MP, Bihar, Raj, Guj, Delhi, HP, etc. It is a beauty of the first-past-the-post system. Every other party in the North competes for a base 20% voteshare, and tries to breakaway another 10% from the competitors. BJP broke away 20+% from Cong/SP/BSP/JDU etc. Thats the landslide.
Not these conspiracy theories you harp about.
I’m dealing in facts here. The fact of EVM manipulation. You come up with some kind of personal analysis of what happened.
Personally I think BJP will kill AAP.
That’s why India is a Banana Republic.
Honesty cannot survive.
Criminals are who actually go to Parliament. 98 of BJP!!!
Shocking!Control tag of EVM used in my constituency found on road!Full possibility of EVM tampering. Attaching image http://t.co/c5BGdVqB75— Medha Patkar (@medhanarmada) May 15, 2014
Unfortunately, after his expected debacle these ham conspiracies are all that Mr Kejri can use to keep his flock together for the next 5 years.
Yeh democracy hai bhai, drishti sab ko naseeb hai, Aankhon dekhe andha hona hai to ho jaao, AAPko koi nahi rok sakta.
I repeat!!! BJP got ONLY 2 seats when they first fought for elections.
If left to function freely they will prosper.
But yes. BJP will kill AAP.
Andhbhakts will see a conspiracy of course. How can they say, yes, we tampered with EVMs. We wanted to finally have Modi as PM by hook or crook.
They don’t want any opposition of any kind.
The way they gained power and made Modi PM is a good example.
Did BJP put FPTP system? And for your Information as per your logic Nehru was rejected by 60% of Indians when there was no Opposition. Runs made with No oppositions has dismal value in respect to runs made against competitive multi party opposition. Same 60 % rejected Indira also.
Now you know why I called you as intellectualy dishonset. It was good as long as your party was winning and like typical ‘liberal fundamentalist and extremist’ behavior, whine and cry the moment others win…
I empathise as I see all libtards have undergone ‘Psychological Implosion’ from 16th May 2014 😀
Do you know anything about EVM’s? or case put in SC by Swamy on EVM tampering?
And let us assume your moronic argument for time being?
EVM are controlled by CEC and central forces. And all 3 EC’s and ESP CEC Sampath is life long loyalist of Sonia. Read more on him. He was YSR stooge and how YSR put him in EC in last moment… Read more on it to get some enlightment.
Where BJP comes here??
And So I said, “Few wear Ignorance as ornament all the time’
Oh Please!! Posting a picture from anywhere without a shred of evidence! You guys have gone nuts. Do you think that the mighty Congress would have allowed the opposition to walk away with EVMs? Do you realize how much security, para-military forces are tasked to protect the booths? Why does the election get scheduled in 7 phases? You guys are slipping past towards the fringe.
What evidence do you want?
Here’s a man sitting with EVMs and playing around with them. Posts it on his timeline on 11th May, His friends joke with him about it, and he says ‘iss baar Modi sarkar to banani hi hai’.
now if you look at the first link of this picture I gave you will see the forensic test done to prove it is not photoshopped.
OK I?ll give the link again. http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=1526768912b36a5999d9d7bb7a23de3004c49c57.56849
He has removed these pictures from his timeline. I could give you the link which will tell you the page has been removed.
Hahaha.
In this banana Republic? So many complaints about irregularities were reported. What happened?
There is a seal tag found on the road in Mumbai of an EVM? What happened?
All are in BJP’s pocket!
They are a frightening lot. Hitler ki army hai BJP.
Make no mistake, the commies ( specially the Anaris and Soney kee baby dolls types ) in their heart hate Modi more than they love India..they would gladly accept India to lose just so they can have the satisfaction of Modi losing.
Lekin Insha Allah, In desh drohees ko Bharat Mata achcha sabal sikhayegee !!
Vande Matram !!!
Here few are saying fascism, Hitler but see what Congress govt did just now
Breaking : @India_MSM 39m
Breaking -per sources DMs were the main reason why MMS media team did not hand over Twitter handle to Modi Govt .its CONFIRMED
3000 DMs from PMO to News channels exchanged and all deleted before Modi tales over. They tried to delete handle also but twitter got it back as archive.
What’s is this ? Its like deleting files, evidences
Now you reset the PM’s official tweets file to zero. (like destroying files). and worse, you take it private.
Just look at what happened in Delhi. Congress needed 55%+ voteshares in the last 2 elections to sweep. This time, BJP just needed 45% because AAP ended with 31% and split the Cong vote! So, did AAP not become the TeamB of BJP? Shud they even be complaining now? Kejri needs to learn the intricacies of Indian psephology.
But BJP is always calling AAP the B team of congress. LOL.
Whatever happened was unintentional. AAP had no intention of helping BJP.
They want to help people to have a criminal free government. Transparent and accountable.
After spending Rs5000crores for putting a man in the PM chair BJP should be ashemed of themselves.
But they will call it politics.
What do you mean ‘every democracy’?
It’s only America among the developed world which spends so much. US is not a democracy in the real sense, and India is following in its footsteps.
BJP even had an American company (I think the same as Obama’s)to run his campaign. APCO or AMCO or something to market Modi the product.
I said that every democracy functions similarly, ie, wild spending on elections. But, obviously since these 2 are the largest democracies, so their spend/candidate will be humongous. Name another democracy which is so big. The per capita spend for the US is the greatest. But the total amount is perhaps a small multiple of what it is in India, given the size of the voting public in India.
Can you hear yourself giving this poor joke as an excuse. Spending so much money no matter what the size is undemocratic.
Especially in a poor country. The amount is almost the budget of a small state.
The comfort of hopping around in choppers and other stuff compared to the hard work of individuals and the candidates shows the difference between moneyed game and real democracy. Of course money wins (and democracy dies).
Some very good (& noble) points are being made, but in my opinion, there’s the usual ‘shift’ in the terms of debate
Firstly I’m NOT a BJP supporter and far from being a modi fan. Infact I feel Modi lacks the wherewithal, stature & maturity to lead a country of Indias complexity & size.
But the point here is that
Are we gonna deny that the voting public has voted decisively in his favour?
Are we gonna say we will respect or acknowledge the verdict only if it suits us?
Do we not have confidence in the maturity and ability of this voting populace to understand what’s affecting their own future?
Do we not have confidence that any ‘wrong’ done by these election results can’t be reversed?
Have these ‘wrong’ never happened before ?
Let’s be honest–why these sudden cries of ‘rape rape’ now?
Let’s have a sense of balance and if you have agreed to play the ‘democracy game’, atleast play it right till the culmination
Besides there are some points on the above discussion
1) some basic tenets are universal & non-negotiable
No (sane) person is denying that minority rights need protecting–I hope this is unanimous
And if there are hidden agendae, under the ever vigilant eyes of detractors and media, these shall be assessed and consequences will be there for modi (like any one else!)
2) Evidence based
Decisions should be made on evidence based practice
Not on perceptions or anecdotal reports
Can one deny modi has been given a clean chit by the courts ? While one understands the issues with this ‘clean chit’ but one can’t cry foul about it just because it doesn’t suits ones discourse
3) ‘Minority-ism’ over everything?
Ask a hungry family or an unemployed youngster or a suicidal famer or a cheated industrialist or a raped woman –what’s more important in life–
The ‘minority politics’ or the burning issue on their life? The answer is obvious.
So tinting the whole discourse with one aspect and staying relatively mum over all the rest (equally/more important) issues isn’t fair
4) ‘Excessive’ freedom
I have always felt that Indians enjoy too much freedom. Seen carefully, this enhanced freedom infact curtails their own rights since it allows another person to abuse his/her ‘rights’ impinging over those of others. Coupled with an ineffectual legal process, this is unhealthy. So a ‘temperation’ of this rights blitzkrieg is needed.
5) Dictatorial tendencies
I will go to the extent that a firm leader with a certain dictatorial elements is actually good for India currently. The democratic process is firmly entrenched in the Indian ethos and any abuse of this will surely be reined in soon.
Comparing Modi to Hitler is not only far-fetched but irresponsible at this juncture. Yes I don’t deny that it’s not an impossible extension of Modis persona but the chances are minuscule because of the numerous ‘correction’ measures in place.
6) Demographic Cycles
There are well-defined stages of ‘evolution’ of a new nation states & even new religions. Demographic and socio-cultural scientists have studied these and they are well-known.
7) ‘Genetic mixing’ (& the lack of it)
One sees a certain ‘anxiety’ and insecurity in the initial stages of every religion & nation state where there’s an extremism in adhering to certain ‘rules’. Slowly there’s a certain ‘liberalism’ perhaps due to easing of that ‘anxiety’. Also some ‘dilution’ due to factors like ‘mixing’ and genetic interplay.
8) Consanguinity
However due to some rules that prohibit this genetic mixing and even promotes ‘cousin marriages’, certain elements continue to be over expressed.
9) the Confounders
Things aren’t so easy and simple in real life
Many confounding factors muddy the waters not to make it more difficult for analysts but because life is not simple (fact!)
The biggest confounding factor is that different gripis of individuals behave differently in defeat & more importantly in victory
Some are gracious
Some follow protocols
Whilst others stamp their authority and force the issue while they can get away with the added ruthlessness
It’s this difference which lies at the basis of this inherent complexity which perplexes analysts
To add to it, history can be ‘rewritten’ and even altered by the ‘victors’.
10) The ‘left’ & ‘right’
We all know what’s the ‘left’ and the ‘right’
But what if I say that the ‘right’ of different nation states & religions itself is different
And not entirely comparable?
The answers of the above questions if sought (honestly) lead one to the next stage of this ‘debate’-
but the key word here is ‘honestly’
Ps: some good points by Amy, bandra nari & Oldgold. Btw Oldgold where did u go for ‘holidays’–do write a travelogue about your experiences …
Interesting discussion.
Interesting not because all arguments have merit. Actually, very few do. But, it is a window in the minds of people.
The extreme theories and clutching at straws to trivialise BJP victory is indeed pitiable.
I grant that Satyam and Ami have the most honest objection to Modi and BJP but even they are in danger of being in a situation where they are so enamoured of a ‘sexy’ ideology that everything else takes a back seat. Hard to take OG or Bandra seriosuly.
Just one point, I would like to make. The statistics that Ami refers to re polygamy are from 1961 and even they are misreperesented.
It is like a talking point taken from an Islamic blog.
More recent statistic from NFHS-3 ( FROM 2005-2006) showed that the average number of life partners for a Hindu male was 1.77 as opposed to 2.55 for a Muslim male. Not a big difference but it is their. I am not implying that all or most of Muslims are polygamous because they are not. It IS a fact that percentage of Muslim population has gone up FROM 9.9% TO 14.6% BETWEEN 1951 and 2011. The cultural differences in procreative practices cannot be denied. An average Muslim woman gives birth to 4.1 children as opposed to 2.9 for a Hindu woman. So, the demographics are changing. Which is not as problem as long as uslims are treated the same and they consider themselves Indian.
Given your “appeasement of minorities” statement, or this imbecile hide behind statistic, it is hard to take you seriously either.
Look at thus way, at least I provide you with reasons why I cannot take you seriously, while you cannot substantiate.
Anyway let’s steal away your stats fig leaf. 1.77 Vs 2.55 LOL Given the huge difference in population, your own stats don’t even come close to accusing the Moslem for being most likely Indian to practice Polygamy.
Furthermore, there are records that say that back in 60s the Moslem made up close to 20% of the population. Since then all kind of numbers have been thrown around. Everyone has a view in this and why not. This is a sensitive issue. But given all the politics behind this number, it is not clear if this %age has gone up or down. Yet this does not matter to you. Facts don’t matter to you.
It is time to give up your Xenophobia. They us, you, me, we all are just one big family. Your dislike as usual is irrational.
Rajen: I got the statistics from a 2009 article that quotes a recent law commission report. I could be mistaken, but the intention certainly was not to deceive or misrepresent.
I do agree on the difference in number of children per woman, and I do think that this is a problem, not because of demographic changes but because of overpopulation, the poor having more children than they can afford to look after and the associated risks of malnutrition/ infant and mother mortality etc.
I do think that a two child policy would be an excellent thing for India, especially now that there is a strong central government that could potentially enforce it (one-child policy would be disastrous IMO, because India is a country where intensive elder care is the norm, and the sole care of four parents would be too great a burden for one couple, not to mention that the already highly skewed sex ratios would become positively dystopian).
Regardless, I think the challenge for Modi other than fulfilling his promise of growth and development is to be inclusive and win over
the ones whose confidence he does not enjoy. Easier said than done but he has to. If he wants to be in office for more than one term and remain relevant. In a country like India you cannot be a PM for just one community or religion. On the other hand, the other communities should be willing to keep an open mind instead of being stuck in age old mentality and not be influenced by the drivel spouted by some of their religious leaders. It is a two way street.
Onus is on Modi and BJP to make the first move.
Is the “Drivel Spouted” by Hindu Religious leaders any better ? Is the drivel on politics by any religious leader acceptable ? If not why just single out one religion ?
I am sorry in my previous response to you I accused you of Xenophobia. I am sorry because I do not want to feed your delusion. You are not the “Native” and the others are not “Aliens”. You have no special claims on India. Every community has equal claims. AND who ever has the biggest demographics will by default end up setting the agenda. Hence your efforts, given your paranoia about increasing minority population, should be to make the system so air tight that if you ever end up being the minority, you still will be OK.
I wish it was fixed earlier…60 yrs earlier. Then we wouldn’t have to put up with colonial rule after independance and rubber stamp PMs, swiss bank a/cs, rampant corruption, rulers who couldn’t speak proper hindi (from Rajeev, sonia to rahul)..etc..etc.
Here is someone who was son of a Maid and not educated abroad or living in ivory tower..why so much objection for poor people coming up in life, oG? He is one of us. You should cheer for him.
Lets see how soon Modi brings back money. What did he say? Till mid October this year?
Rampant corrution – Modi not included? wah wah
Rulers who couldn’t speak proper hindi – I agree.
Son of a maid? I thought a chaiwala!
But lets face the truth – he did not become PM from being son of a maid – It was THROUGH JOINING RSS!!! Rs5000crores have been spent to put him in that chair. Maid’s son? LOL!!
He left home in his early teens AND WAS NOT POOR!!!
HE WAS A MILITANT!!
It’s a militant PM. Not a poor man PM.
This selling of Modi like some product has got to stop. The nation has been cheated and lets stop there.
Narendra Modi’s victory in the general election has left more than the Congress party confounded. The one class that still finds its compass revolving wildly is that of New Delhi’s cloistered “intellectuals”—journalists, members of the commentariat and, of course, the TV anchors who spent the last year repeating tirelessly that Modi could not win.
lol. Tavleen Singh said as much (that non of the delhi journos were ready to believe her a year ago abt modi wave in India; proves that intellectuals are indeed kaid in their ivory towers.) On the other hand, shouldn’t the ‘commies’ cheer for NaMo? He who is poor, son of a maid, from so called backward caste, etc. I think the commies are just rebels without a cause.
P.S. did you see the latest funny doodle on newslaundy?
WHAT???!!!
For over a year TV channels have been building up the Modi wave and the Gujarat development model.
They have handled him with such care.
In which world are you?
For hours they showed his rallies, speeches, the party song, and much more.
What more do you want?
The word ‘wave’ itself was spread around by TV channels and other form of media. How would we know about it otherwise?
Did they bring up any topic and questions that would bring out the lies about gujarat development?
The rony capitalism issues? And many more. No, all they did was get all humble and mai baap aap hi ka sahara hai, types.
bliss – u r right – but we have been used to this since last 13 yrs in Guj. – no one wants to ack. Modi’s good work – but then who cares??? It is like a BB movie – where critics pan the hero but the masses love him.
Somewhere Margaret Thatcher said, don’t love me, you have queen for that. The political leader is judged by deliverables; you don’t have to love them. He did wonders for kite industry (muslim dominated) in gujarat and will do the same for weavers of varanasi (also muslim dominated). Not sure why people still paint everything in communalism colors.
But they claim that they have opened offices in 430+ constituencies and gotten exposure as a result. Its like saying that “I have opened a pant-suit dukan besides the megamall in my city. Now all the people who go to the mall will come to me instead!”
Problem here is most here talk only theories which they believe is only reality and write thousand word junk bereft of any logic, evidence or facts… I think so its only Truth is common narrative here…
Facts make few people here uncomfortable and stupid but thn Hubris has no cure
I guess the presiding officer before polling went to his known places for stay. Typically things are checked before polling by polling agents of all parties and there is mockup to show that it is behaving correctly. But this should not happen. It should be sealed from EC and opened in front of polling agents of parties and sealed again after voting and opened again in front of people for counting.
And the presiding officer carries the eVMs to these known places to stay?
> It should be sealed from EC and opened in front of polling agents of parties and sealed again after voting and opened again in front of people for counting.
Right. But did it happen? A seal was found on the roadside, a picture of it I have given above, but can give it again.
Shocking!Control tag of EVM used in my constituency found on road!Full possibility of EVM tampering. Attaching image http://t.co/c5BGdVqB75— Medha Patkar (@medhanarmada) May 15, 2014
What are you trying to say, munna.
THat they were also trained in dismantling the machines, opening them and fiddling around with the wires and system?
No, there is no such step in that detailed ‘use’ of EVM.
hahaha statesman! They have always been bhai bhai these two parties. They don’t talk about each other’s scams and corruptions or take action against it. BJP was such a lousy oppostion.
Not really they ‘shared’ the loot.
Resigning does not solve problems. Suppose tomorrow a powerful China may attack and snatch some real estate from India. Will resigning by prime minister or defence minister help?
In sports, do defeated simply resign and vanish into oblivion or fight back? Resigning does not make a hero but fighting back is heroism. One may die but one should not give up till the last breath.
Many show the example of Lal bahadur shastri resigning after some railway accident. Did that stop railway accidents from happening? Many wanted modi to resign after the riot. By not resigning, now he has become PM of India.
In continuation to my comment in the link above–
The point 1-10 I’ve enlisted in the link above randomly form only a snapshot of the myriad complexity involved in these analyses, making simplistic ‘blanket statements’ unfair either ways.
I also wish to add that the world doesnt give enough credit to india for holding an elections of this magnitude. Which were reasonably fair (though oldgold has been providing us with some amusing EVM pics lol)
People seem to have voted against ‘hinduphobia’ & the so-called ‘Gujarat model’ has been marketed well.
Putin, Castro, Chávez, Ahmadinejad, Milosevic are the figures Modi drew parallels with, in the western media. Though modi indeed has the ‘potential’ to jlin the above ‘esteemed’ gentlemen-Only time will tell whether it is a fair comparison….
Disclaimer: this (& the above link) is purely analytical & not intended to be derogatory towards any nations, religions or individuals
Not trying to highlight any one individual, but being amused by facts that should make you sit up and question the credibility of the process is a sign of partisanship.
Some of these very people will after dismissing or laughing off such evidence will say “No Proof Exist”.
China is happy and Pakistan is happy with a strong Indian government. Hope Chine will stop nibbling away at arunachal pradesh and Kashmir becomes a peaceful haven where one can relax without worrying about terrorists.
And now starts another Drama of Mr Kejriwal!! Man, this guy should win an Oscar for all this nautanki. He refuses to post bail, and tries to become a martyr.
Kapil Sibal and Manish Tiwari had already apologized to Gadkari for similar slanders previously. But Kejri is above the law. He refused to give any evidence to the court to back his slander, and then refused to post bail!! The court admonished him, and told him: “You represent Aam Aadmi Party, please behave like a Aam Aadmi”. But Nautanki to uske andar koot-koot ke bhari hai. Nautanki kiya bina baan nahi aaya.
If he does not cut this crap asap, whatever chances he has of winning in Delhi assembly will also fizzle out. He thinks aam junta are fools, he is sadly mistaken.
You didn’t find Modi’s matthha tekna on parliament steps nautanki?
You don’t find all the paraphernelia of his swearing in ceremony as nautanki?
Kejriwal rightly called Gadkari a chor.
Gadkari sued him
Kejriwal was asked to submit bail bond, which criminals are supposed to do – he refused, and is in jail.
What is nautanki here?
Instead of feeling thoroughly ashamed of a nation where a criminal is sitting in parliament and probably in the cabinet while an honest man is in jail?
If the claims od Gadkari s a chor was not proved then jail would be legal – this is pure show of bad characheter of judiciary also in BJP’s pocket and the sinister days to come ahead. Only BJP will be enjoying.
So don’t ridicule everything without thinking over it.
NyKavi – AAP exists if people want to get rid of corruption.
AAP will cxease to exist if people are happy with the system and don’t want change, so please stop with your forbodings.
It’s very difficult for the BJPwalas and congresswalas that AAP sincerely wishes a corrupt free parliament and system and not after power.
So what if it becomes history? Whose loss is it?
Everyone wants corruption to stop. But this has to be done sincerely. Kejriwal may be honest, but he is either very vain or has very bad advisers. No strategy in his actions at all, he just keeps doing these little tactful actions which in the bigger picture do not add up to anything. The image that he has managed to create in the past 5 months is that he has an insatiable lust for power.
If you remember, in our discussions back in Jan-Feb, I had said that he needs to just keep his head down and keep working for the next 5 yrs in Delhi. Show the results, then go national. Trying to create a solid base in one state, and then trying to go national is just common sense. But he was in a hurry to anoint himself as a PM. Corruption is a deeply embedded social problem, it is not just a govt phenomenon. Indian society is socially corrupt, as is reflected in the actions of every individual, from spitting paan on the street to getting away with murder. To eradicate this, a long long process is required. Kejri needs good advisers who can guide him, otherwise he will just be a bottle-rocket that got extinguished too soon.
Cutting the long story of your views and opinion, short – you don’t stop corruption by choosing them as your candidates and with all your manipulation into the parliament. Come on!! BJP has 98 of them!!
Just All want corruption free INdia then why are you with a party of corrupt candidates? Because it was winning? Join those who are really working selflessly for it instead of mouthing words.
BJP will never get rid of it with Gadkaris and Yedsurappas around.
Kejriwal could have used his post for corruption and amassed greater wealth to fight elections, but the people pooled in, people fought selflessly in the searing summer heat to campaign. It hurts to think people voted for a Gadkari, among others.
That ios why I’d rather thing EVMs were manipulated, and maintain my trust in people.
There is one way for Kejri if congress party rids itself of gandhis. Kejriwal can become Congress leader and infuse some good blood into the old party.m On congress leaders like antony join Kejri party without the gandhis.
BJP is welcome to their leaders. 116 congressis in BJP out which 100 won and are in parliament. Parliament hasn’t changed. They are all there.
It’s not really a congress mukt bharat, is it?
” Corruption is a deeply embedded social problem, it is not just a govt phenomenon. Indian society is socially corrupt, as is reflected in the actions of every individual, from spitting paan on the street to getting away with murder”
Agree there with your comment in full. Just hope the current process of accountability continues and definitely AAP needs to have patience and work selflessly towards this cause and not just as a power grabbing tool.
I am sure Aam janta will support him if he continues to make life difficult for corrupted govt officials in power.
I think Kejriwal survival is all important and something which will keep Modi and others on the check vis-a vis rampant corruption prevalent in our society. In fact BJP should thank Kejriwal / AAP for speeding up the case against Congress. He did all the dirty work and unearthed all those large scams.
Of course law and order and judiciary in India is a joke so nothing can be proved and come to think of it not even a single politician has gone to jail including mayawati, mulayam, kalmadi and the one which did get jail term , Lalu made a mockery of the sentence.
AK takes money from Foreign countries, he wants to destabilize the country, He is so corrupt that he is not vacating his Bungalow, his wife has never been transferred out of Delhi.
He is a Maha Chor. AAP gave ticket to the guy who reversed the order of Khemka. AAP biki hui hai jee, main toh ek chota sa aam Insaan hoon, lekin Keju key paas toh 5 crore key assets hain.
What do you mean ‘some’ affection? Ther’s more now, because it’s shocking to see a nation voting (manipulated) for criminals and sending them to parliament and the hard work of honest people treated with disdain.
LOL Sanjana , you said it, and that some affection also vanished after he showed his inclination to be the Delhi CM, ab sirf commies bachey hain usskey paas.
@NyKavi
Aaaand, there are 3 other similar cases going on regarding manhani by kejriwal, but in those cases he was not asked for any bail onds – as he is NOT a criminl, but in this BJP case he was!!!!
yeh court bika hua hai, yeh samaaj bika hua hai, desh key log bikey hu hain, yeh system biku hua hai, yeh desh bika hua hai, yeh voters bukey hue hain, sabko bina proof key jail mein band kar doonga , aur Jhadoo sey maroonga !!
apna bunglaw vacate naheen karoonga, dilli srkar thook key chatoonga ( fir public opinion dekh kar mana kar doonga ) the guy who went to court to forcr thw LG to dissolve the assembly, now wanted the LG to NOT dissolve it. MP naheen toh CM hee sahee
uff yeh power kee bhookh !!!
bhak saala bhagoda !! ghadee ghadee drama karta hai!!
Sab bike hue hain.
Legally you are allowed to stay for some stipulkated time by paying rent. His daughter’s exams were going on. By end July he will leave.
Ghar aise hi nahin mil jaate dilli mein.
Do you know there is a case in cort by AAP to dissolve the assembly?
Modi ka woh matthha tekna parliament ki steps par drama nahin tha kya?
All the paraphernelia of his swearing in ceremony kya hai drama nahin toh?
There are 3 other defamation cases going on simultaneously against Kejriwal Kisi case mein bail bond nahiun maanga only this chor Gadkari’s case a bond was required which are required from criminals.
He refused and was jailed.
Iss me drama kya hai. If no bond was asked no news would have come out.
Kejriwal has gone to jail several times because he has consistently refused to render this.
lol, 98 ministers, abhee tak toh 98 MPs tha, aashavadi bano, achche din aaney wle hain…
Bhagoda bhaag gaya, Drama ka ant ho gaya, Chor ab Jail mein jaa raha hai !!
Re.-nafrat toh pehle se hi thi.
haan ab bola, ab sahee bola…
yeh sab aapkey comments Nafrat ka result hain , Facts, Sach , logic, proof , sab gaya saala Tel leney !!
Glad you finally admitted that !!!
OldGold
There is no magic wand do end corruption in a single day, unlike what Kejri would have everyone believe.
He has changed his goalposts more times than anyone can count. From not wanting to be in govt, to contesting elections, not wanting to form govt with support, to forming govt, quitting, fighting Lok Sabha, getting drubbed, to again wanting to form a state gov, to finally deciding he does not want to form. So, as Rocky said before, and also in the words of the great John Kerry : “I was for it before I was against it before I was for it”. Even Kerry could not claim to such stunning political U-turns as has Mr Kejriwal.
Do you realize how much of a joke he has become? Just go look at twitter and see the ridicule being heaped on him for his drama today.
Again, he might be honest, but he is an extremely poor politician. Does he not realize that politics is all perception? If he cannot play this game, he should just go back and run his NGO, and try to discover new scams in govt, and perhaps keep doing a diff dharna everyday. He might be more useful to the fight against corruption by exposing govt corruption from the outside, rather than trying to un-strategically fight an unplanned battle from within.
Someone I know commented on AAP FB post on apology – “AK seriously? Is this your plan now? Learn from this mistake. Use the four MPs you have and focus on what you are good at- finding faults and help governments around the country to fix these problems. Just look back- all your career, all your life you have not completed (end to end) anything, you are simply not capable of building stuff, you are good at identifying defects. In the world of Software you will be a tester not a developer or manager.”
“. In the world of Software you will be a tester not a developer or manager”
Very Aptly Put. No better analogy! He is excellent at QA, but very poor at Project Management.
Yes, only after they have diligently put in their time and effort in learning the ropes, after they have paid their dues to each position that takes one from a QA to a Project Manager. It does not happen overnight. And certainly not in 49 days!
We have reached a stage on this thread where nothing more needs to be added and all of us should think beyond our personal prejudices and take a deep breath/ relax and remember our beloved babu moshai churning –
chhodo, bekaar kee baato mein , kahee beet naa jaaye rainaa
kuchh reet jagat kee ayesee hai har ek subah kee shaam huyee
too kaun hai, teraa naam hain kyaa seetaa bhee yahaa badanaam huyee
fir kyo sansaar kee baaton se bheeg gaye tere nainaa
hum ko jo taane dete hai hum khoye hain in rang raliyon me
hum ne un ko bhee chhup chhup ke aate dekhaa in galiyon me
ye sach hain zoothhee baat nahee tum bolo ye sach hain naa
I agree. this thread is getting a bit pointless with most people saying the same things again and again. In any case I will be closing it soon. it’s getting too long. I am not sure now about starting a new political thread. the election was a special case for obvious reasons but in general the back and forth on the very same points again and again drowns out everything else. It might be good to take a break from politics for a while! While I don’t mind the discussions the blog isn’t primarily about politics!
I second that, enough of politics, let’s get back to movies.
bas bada mann tha kee ek baar Koi Bharat Mata kee Jai bolta. lekin . na ho paaya. Khair !! showed his/her true colors.
BTW- had been skimming thru Big B’s Blog, for last couple of days -he has not said a word about the elections!!
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May 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM
I’ll take some solace from TN and Kerala. In the former the AIADMK did massively well (even if I’m not a Jayalalitha supporter). In Kerala Tharoor finally won after trailing. So the the BJP has maintained its record of never winning in Kerala.
And of course there’s W Bengal where Trinamool has done massively well. The BJP though looks to be winning some at the expense of the Congress and the CPI(M).
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May 16, 2014 at 7:20 AM
Jayalalitha had had what is possibly the largest victory ever in TN with DMK at 0 seats! AIADMK is now the third-largest party nationally. She wont’ have much power at the centre since Modi doesn’t need to form a coalition but nevertheless, a very remarkable achievement.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:41 AM
vote share of bjp gone up in tamil nadu, bengal and kerala and only will emerge stronger
karnataka is heartning(17 out of 24) and first time they have opened account in kerala and allies in seemandhara
u.p,bihar,m.p,chattisgarh, gujrat,himachal,jammu,rajasthan, uttrakhand,jharkhand,delhi etc is total sweep…
win in orissa,assam and arunachal is refereshing and so increased vote share in north east
there will be no leader of opposition as(second largest party) don’t have 10% of pan india seats
its modi tsunami all the way
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May 16, 2014 at 8:10 AM
they haven’t opened an account yet in kerala because Tharoor after trailing for a while eventually won.
In terms of vote share they’ve increased their share considerably in W Bengal, at the expense of the CPI (M) and the Congress but in terms of seats they still only have a couple or something. Trinamool might be winning as many as 34 out of 42. Nonetheless the BJP % has gone up here.
it’s not significant in TN or Kerala though. A percentage jump of a few points but really not significant at all given the larger trends in both states.
Karnataka and Andhra are not exactly surprises for more than one reason.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:17 AM
increase in vote share is important because assembly election due in bengal..look at assam
kerala will be big surprise in comming decade just like how karnataka and andhra was once a periah
bjp tactically didn’t go for alliance with jaya in tn for a reason(also sabotaged cong-dmk alliance)
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May 16, 2014 at 8:23 AM
not really because they always did much better in Karnataka. Andhra with the whole Telengana issue (and the TDP alliance) was differently configured anyway. not winning a single seat in kerala in the midst of this huge national wave means something! As does the TN result where despite having a coalition of 6 parties they were completely swept. In fact Jayalalitha has come up with the equivalent of the Modi wave in TN. As for increase in vote share if you go from 6% to 10% because the opposition in those states does very poorly in a historic election that hardly indicates some march to victory in the future! In Bengal though they’ve gone from 6% to 16% or something. That’s very significant but again the Congress and the CPI (M) were expected to do poorly. Still it means something for assembly elections (though people don’t necessarily vote the same way in both). With Kerala and TN though they really have nothing to show.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:34 AM
actually factually wrong
kerala was also the state where first democratically elected government was thrown out in 50’s , vote share increase is appearant which can’t be hidden in the den of communist and muslim league’s
bengal its 16% for a party which had no base and won in its neighbourhood of assam and arunachal
spin won’t work facts will
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May 16, 2014 at 8:36 AM
Hmm.. as always you get incoherent beyond a point. But let’s have it your way — the BJP result in Kerala is as impressive as it is in UP. Hey who’s counting seats! never saw anyone so sour with their side winning so big! But I’m not surprised. You have always displayed this kind of totalitarian instinct. Modi has already won huge. You don’t need to read signs of future BJP greatness in the Kerala and TN results! Not winning anything is the same as winning big according to you because what one hasn’t won today one will in the future despite no such evidence in the results! And of course there’s the usual naiveté in your position. The assumption that this Modi wave is forever and they’ll just keep winning in state after state. LOL! Again.. enjoy the win. You don’t have to go ‘crazy’ with it.
I’ll put it this way — in ‘God’s Country’ there is still no room for Modi! Three cheers for that!
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May 16, 2014 at 8:59 AM
its me who is not coherent but its you who keep falling on your trap with different spins…
simple common sense will tell you cadre and organisation structure base and past history is not comparable of kerala and u.p
on to u.p and bihar both have close to 30% of minority population and that more impressive
keep trying and hark luck brother
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May 17, 2014 at 2:15 AM
BJP’s vote share in Kerala this time is about 10%, which is the same as it was in 2004. Don’t know where is breaking of new ground here. Also, one must remember Kerala has one of the strongest RSS networks in the country and it still has not managed to covert a single seat.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:39 AM
Yes frikkin Yes.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:40 AM
Bandra NRI said this most recently in a different context but there’s always this refrain of ‘we must respect the wishes of the people’. Why?
First off the people who want these wishes respected were mysteriously not doing the same when Sonia was in power. Then there was this constant snideness about the ‘Italian’ and dynasties and what not. Why weren’t those wishes respected in this instance? Presumably the people knew about the Italian connection and the dynastic one!
But secondly given the questionable choices majorities often make in just about every democracy from time to time, given how people have elected some truly monstrous figures in different places, the idea that a decision must be respected simply because it comes from a majority is absurd. This is the secret religion of every democracy.
As an aside I’ll add that I also don’t respect majorities when they make houseful a hit or do the same with certain SRK films and so on!
On my part I regard it as a day of national disgrace. But I nonetheless congratulate all those here who were supporting Modi.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:27 AM
to whom you are fooling around
kindly list the credential and performance of rahul and how he could be not whims of dynasties
on to srk and majorities…couldn’t laugh more
kindly do a properly analogy as his base was nri audiences but a certain chaiwallah and rickshaw wallah also supported a certain bachchan
what it was national disgrace
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May 16, 2014 at 8:33 AM
Have nothing to add to what I’ve already said.
The Bachchan ‘image’ in all his key films is the farthest thing imaginable from Modi’s politics! People like you manage to be fans of both because of a gross misunderstanding of both!
On the national disgrace though I actually do find it to be such when such people are elected. Might have said the same thing when Hitler was elected had I been around! And the same in many other instances past or present. I don’t change my mind about fascists because they win elections. nor am I persuaded even if they ‘behave well’ beyond a point.
But I’m sure you loved this majority as much when the Congress came in with Sonia and Rahul!
In any case no point in arguing with me about this. You’re not going to change my mind on Modi. Just as you can’t change my mind on any number of such leaders in history.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:39 AM
misunderstanding lies on your part mr satyam..
bachchan on 70’s to carried political image and won election on political parties
no majority was with congress and sonia and never got one on its own
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May 16, 2014 at 8:44 AM
You’re wasting your time and mine. You’re saying things that are completely unconnected. I’ll just say this here — Bachchan won on the strength of his ‘film’ image which was the complete antithesis of everything Modi stands for. It would take quite a dolt to not understand the politics of Deewar or AAA or Lawaaris or Naseeb or Coolie or all the other stuff he did. It would take a greater dolt to confuse this with the Modi platform. That’s my only point there. Anyway this debate is a waste of time.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:50 AM
come to point and content mr satyam
its not 70’s and anyway bachchan was angry young man(faught against system)
besides every film you mentioned there was pukar, inquilab, sarkar,main azad hoon(on governace)
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May 16, 2014 at 8:56 AM
LOL, superhits like Pukar and Inquilaab and Main Azaad Hoon! Yeah right..! Of course the politics of those films still doesn’t support your side but that’s another matter!
I hate to break it to you but Bachchan wasn’t just an angry young man but an angry young man on the Nehruvian left. You should revisit some of those films when you have a clearer head.
This will really be my last word on all this.
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May 16, 2014 at 9:05 AM
again a misreading on your part
these are bachchan’s political movie and image not talked from any commercial angle
sarkar it was based on somewho was alive politically them and others on nationalism
for record even the great desai remaked his bengali movies mostly
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May 16, 2014 at 9:07 AM
No Bengali film Desai remade that I’m aware of.. though some of his stuff was remade elsewhere..
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May 16, 2014 at 8:44 AM
who is hitler..one who controls .a remote controlled pm
one who block discussions like telangana on t.v
one where cash emerges in tv and someone rules without any accountability…one who is non existent and unaccesible
did narsimbha rao resigned after babri or rajiv after 84 or even mms after assam
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May 16, 2014 at 9:02 AM
The Congress under Sonia/Rahul never reached these heights. This is different and historic. Satyam, you might find yourself in a fringe minority with your views now, because this type of mandate could not have been achieved unless many naysayers willingly gave him their vote. Clearly, even Minorities and non-BJP supporting castes were so frustrated with the Congress that they willingly supported Modi. Nothing else can explain a 72 seat sweep in UP.
The scale of this victory also puts a lot of pressure on the BJP. Now they have to get something done, otherwise they too will be kaput in 5 yrs. Modi will have to deliver and cause a huge rising tide to lift all boats, irrespective of caste or religion.
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May 16, 2014 at 9:15 AM
But you can’t say you’re with a majority only when it crosses a certain threshold. That’s like saying you are with a US president only if he wins at least 350 electoral college votes! As for the Congress my argument even yesterday (if you recall) was that they’ve long been quite dead in certain ways, whether they win or lose.
And given the ways majorities sometimes vote, not only in India, it is far more respectable to be in a fringe minority! But agree on the rest of what you’re saying though remember that in a parliamentary system relatively small shifts in the electorate can lead to big numbers for one party or another. Which doesn’t mean there aren’t significant shifts in these elections. Just that unlike a president system it’s often not directly proportionate or symmetric in this sense. Much as in the US because of the Electoral College there’s a dissymmetry built into the system. Whether you win a state by 1 vote or a million you still get all the Electoral College votes for that state. This can lead to a landslide but the actual numbers are not that overwhelming. The US though is an anomaly in this sense. But in parliamentary systems this disproportion always obtains. Again this doesn’t take away anything from the massive win here but one can sometimes talk as if this distinction does not exist.
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May 16, 2014 at 9:21 AM
“And given the ways majorities sometimes vote, not only in India, it is far more respectable to be in a fringe minority! ”
lol line of day and sheer furstration
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May 16, 2014 at 9:15 AM
” On my part I regard it as a day of national disgrace. But I nonetheless congratulate all those here who were supporting Modi.”
That’s harsh in a way as the mandate is for Big Change, Development and simply Pro Business. I don’t think there are any other strings attached to these results. The hardcore BJP/ upper middle class type always favored and voted BJP.
But this time around people are hurting on grass root levels but more importantly there was no one to listen to. Rahul and Congress already seemed fed up with the unexpectedly long 10 year rule. Rahul is more into Colombian girlfriend & wants his foreign vacations then sit and learn the basic of Indian politics which Rajiv was keen and eager to learn. Congress had this coming since they did not even try to project the right people for governance and not a single administrator apart from Sonia who is also not fully fit and undergoing various treatments and therapies. Ideally Gandhi family should have stepped aside and let someone else take the reins but it is bankrupt of any ideas/ directions and made a mockery of Manmohan Singh too who at least stabilized India in financial terms. Diggi was busy with his affair with Amrita Rai and rest simply had no say. This is when AAP and Kejriwal and Anna gained prominence. Come to think of it BJP until a year back was all over the place with constant infightings and bickering until Modi found the right opening and jumped in….
The past of Modi did not matter to anyone since when it comes to rozi roti everything else takes a back seat. A vast majority has bought into this Gujarat development model and wants the same model replicated in their state too. But as I had posted in a long comment earlier Gujarat due to its strategic location and shipping activity/ hub is a different ballgame. That’s why Modi’s work becomes harder from now esp in UP and Bihar. He does have a Chanakya Amit Shah who will play the game for him like he did during elections.
It’s simple if you act in UP/Bihar you are bound to trample a lot of corrupt bureaucrats / highly placed officials and the local politicians who can then create havoc. And if you tom tom with them then basically all remains same. So I am going to judge Modi simply with his performance in UP/Bihar. (At the time of writing this he is headed to get 73 out of 80 seats in UP!!!) But if he sides with unruly elements then it will be hugely detrimental and things will remain same…. For minorities esp the Muslims this is a good sign and they should feel safer as Modi under international radar is going to be more conscious than otherwise. This change was seen with hawkish elements like Advani etc when BJP came to power in ’97.
All in all good results and happy that a clear majority has been given to one party and it shows public wants to back a tough / stern administrator.
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May 16, 2014 at 9:21 AM
“That’s harsh in a way as the mandate is for Big Change, Development and simply Pro Business. I don’t think there are any other strings attached to these results. The hardcore BJP/ upper middle class type always favored and voted BJP.”
I completely agree with this. The problem though is that in many countries in similar circumstances people vote for the very same things. Even the worst fascists come to power promising the same stuff and the middle classes if you will voting on the same things. The ultimate example is Hitler here who too promised progress and a rescue from the 20s malaise and so forth. And even delivered on all these fronts for a while. Most who voted for him didn’t do so because he was anti-Jewish. But as always the dark side of the ‘bourgeois’ mindset is that it will sacrifice any and every principle in the pursuit of economic prosperity and a bit of general security. here I never buy into the ‘naiveté’ of these same classes. So again with the Hitler example they might not have voted on this score but they certainly didn’t mind the anti-Jewish message. Similarly in other situations if you’ve not been the one affected by violence it’s naturally not uppermost in your mind. And to the extent you’re bothered by it you can always invent justifications.
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May 16, 2014 at 9:27 AM
ultimate example is hitler…minority blb bla
what a waste of words and total intellectually bankruptcy
its so predictable now
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May 16, 2014 at 9:24 AM
they will have to work as mandate is there for
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-TOP-amul-reaches-varanasi-following-namo-set-up-plant-worth-rs-200-crore-in-city-4614699-NOR.html
adodara: Amul, Asia’s biggest milk brand is ready to set up its plant in Varanasi.
Notably, Gujarat Chief Minister and BJP’s prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi is contesting in Lok Sabha Elections from the city of temples.
Banas Dairy, which markets Amul, will be setting up the processing plant in Varanasi. The plant will have the capacity to process at least 5 lakh litres of milk every day and the production will be doubled later depending on the demand.
According to a report published in TOI, Banas Dairy will invest Rs. 200 crore for the set up of this plant in holy city.
Chairman Parthi Bhatol told TOI ‘We’ve completed the process with UP State Industrial Development Corporation Ltd for land acquisition at Karkhianv industrial area near Varanasi airport.’
Notably, the work regarding the set up of plant in Kanpur and Lucknow is also started after Uttar Pradesh chief minister Akhilesh Yadav provided 40 and 20 acres of land in the cities respectively.
Like the plant in Varanasi, these two plants will also have the capacity to process 5 lakh litres of milk per day. Amul will start with milk, curd and buttermilk initially and will later add ice cream and other dairy products to the list.
‘Amul is the most preferred milk brand in all milk markets in UP including Varanasi, which consumes 75,000 litres milk per day. Since Banas Dairy began procuring milk locally in UP based on Amul model of co-operatives, farmers in UP are getting better remuneration for their milk,’ MD Rs. Sodhi of Gujarat Cooperative Milk Marketing Federation told TOI.
Bhatol said ‘Although UP is India’s largest milk producing state, the share of organized sector was only one lakh litres milk per day while private players were exploiting the farmers.’
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May 16, 2014 at 11:48 PM
Jayalalitha is popular in T N because she has done a lot gor the state. If gujarat is proud pf their Mody, we in TN are blody proud of jaya. And she is the sole reason that aiadmk won. Even the increased Modi fan base could not dent her popularity. We in TN know how and shere things have improved. Only the power situation needs fastrack work. If assembly elections were to be held, Jaya would well win again.
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May 16, 2014 at 11:50 PM
Sorry for typos. Stubby fingers on phone plus aroused emotions can cause havoc.
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May 16, 2014 at 11:53 PM
Well said LS!
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May 17, 2014 at 12:12 AM
she was elected recenly before it was dmk
Tamils always choose their regional party, that two one sided…either ADMK or DMK
with emergence of good leaders things will change
jaya was the first who endorsed modi…for the first time congress was not in alliance with any dravidian party and bjp going alone has helped things anyway
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May 17, 2014 at 12:09 AM
What happened to Kudunkulam power generation? It should solve TN’s power problems to some extent.
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May 17, 2014 at 12:21 AM
http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/jayalalithaa-does-not-rule-out-support-for-narendra-modi-her-party-seeks-close-ties-524241
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May 16, 2014 at 8:00 AM
emergence of social media and main stream media turning irrelevant with this arrival….future p.m congratulated social media not main stream one
traditional support of bjp the middle class who used to abstain came out and voted and also fooling around of people in rural india not so easy
the way lies of sickular and libtards can be easily caught
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May 16, 2014 at 8:39 AM
Finally the circus is over. Now let them govern.
It would have saddened me more if Dhoom 3 tanked than this election result. In a lighter vein.
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May 16, 2014 at 9:24 AM
I might have said enough for today. But Rocky and Rajen will appreciate the humor here when I say that whether Raavan wins or loses I am usually around!
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May 16, 2014 at 9:36 AM
and again I do congratulate some of my (misguided!) friends here…
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May 16, 2014 at 2:13 PM
LOL, and we would not like it to be any other way ….know you too well to realize that your opinions ( however misguided) are from heart and not coz of any agenda !!
Ab dekhna yeh hai kee how many days will it take for you to start realizing the virtues of Modi ( it is not a q of if, but when) LOL!!!
Na Rehga tu, hai Jaisa Tu …….Saagar sey milna hai tujhe, umeed kee aag jala tu !!
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May 16, 2014 at 3:01 PM
LOL, irrespective of the govt at the Center I enjoy your comments..!
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May 16, 2014 at 9:57 AM
Atleast this massive mandate will make fence sitters away from the scene. NCP and some other parties and even various kazhagam parties would have tried to flex their muscles. A national party winning is better than various regional outfits trying to eat away bit by bit. What Praful Patel and Sharad Pawar are going to do now?
How Modi will deal with Srilanka and Jayalalithaa?
How naxalites will strategise?
Will China again make claims over Arunachal Pradesh?
What will happen to Kashmir problem?
It will be interesting to watch how the new government will deal with the eternal problems after euohoria?
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May 16, 2014 at 10:10 AM
One silver lining is the loudmouth arun jaitley did not win and the sidelined sushma swaraj won.
UPA is paying for the mockery it made of a prime minister post.
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May 16, 2014 at 11:39 AM
He took wrong seat. He could have chosen from any of the Hindi belt seats and won.
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May 16, 2014 at 10:18 AM
One thing is certain, with this so claimed “massive victory”, NOW IF NaMO screws up, THEN he will be NoMo
I believe very soon when the tire hits the road, NaMO will be NoMo
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May 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM
true.. the great behemoth of Indian democracy with all its issues constitutes a serious challenge to any govt. You of course here the sly excuse on the Right — hey give Modi at least a couple of years to clean up the mess. Maybe any new govt deserves a window but the Indian electorate will certainly only give it uptil the next time (election). And yes it’s quite true that the messaging and now this victory raises the bar a great deal.
of course now that Modi is in power I’d want him to get ‘co-opted’ and ‘mainstreamed’ as soon as possible! Which is what being in power does to most people. But will be interesting to see where he goes. On the one hand he has every interest in not wishing to seem anything but mainstream, he’s not beholden to the BJP apparatus in the same way. The election was more or less a referendum on Congress and vote for Modi. So he has that leeway. On the other hand there are many on the Right who feel they’ve never quite got a shot at things, that with the first BJP govt they got ‘moderate Vajpayee’, that this is now their big moment. They’re not just looking for ‘efficiency’, i.e. the folks in the ideological ranks. This balancing act is a tricky one. The other thing is that sooner or later a crisis comes around and where does Modi turn in such a situation given all his disturbing instincts? it will take time to get the answers to all these questions. Clearly Modi wants to be around for a long time and hence has every interest in not rocking things too much. But again there has to be something that looks ‘new’ under him. Business-as-usual though it might mainstream him won’t be enough to convince folks in other ways.
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May 16, 2014 at 12:04 PM
Congress has become NoMo today, my friend.
Congress ka hua hai aaj antim-sanskaar
Aa Gayi hai ab Modi Sarkaar.
Koi baat nahi, aapki ankhein bund hain abhi
Haath hamara thamlo, le jayenge aapko paar
Apkey dil se jo bhari padi hai nafrat ki bauchaar
Hamarey su-karmon se bhar denge aapke dil mey pyaar
Worry no More, Ab ki bari modi sarkaar.
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May 16, 2014 at 12:07 PM
Congress will raise from the ashes. When the media and people get fed up of Modi overdose, Congress will be back.
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May 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM
Only if they kick the Gandhis out first. People in India are absolutely fed up with the dynasty, but only the Cong high command seems to be totally oblivious of this fact. They think that Indians are stupid enough to fawn on the good looks of the Euro-Indian offspring, but totally disregard their lack of intellect/work ethic.
Aspiring Indians cannot fathom the slave mentality of the Cong workers, who bend backwards to this First Family, which has no qualifications to talk about except that last name. The ineptitude of Rahul was on full display today, when he had that silly smile on his face while facing the press. It was the look of a student who is relieved that exams are over, and summer vacation has begun. Priyanka with her silly permanent giggle does not cut any favors with any educated folks either. Unless the bozo son and immature daughter are shunted out, the Cong will forever remain a less than 100 seat party.
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May 16, 2014 at 1:00 PM
Lol,interesting e changes.
Strong showing of some regional parties does not diminish from the spectacular onean show. Very unpatriotic to dream of Modi failing. Are our prejudices so controlling that we cannot look beyond them and hope for good?
Ofcourse, Modi has to deliver and it is not going to be a bed of roses.
For now,congrats to Modi and the people ,wish him luck and hope for the best.
Hopefully, no more appeasement of minorities,pandering, blatant corruption etc.I hope the misguided liberals here will be able to survive the absence of this sterling qualities of the parties and the cause they were championing.
A moment of silence for the sad demise of AAP!
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May 16, 2014 at 1:45 PM
Speaking for myself I certainly don’t wish for him to fail to prove a point. I’m never that ideological! However I certainly await better days without Modi. Because irrespective of economic performance or stability or whatever there are certain things that are just par for the course for a right-wing govt anywhere in the world. And these are not things I support.
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May 16, 2014 at 1:50 PM
If they are goodlooking, is it their fault?
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May 16, 2014 at 2:03 PM
We dont make fun of looks of modi or his silly utterances.
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May 16, 2014 at 2:20 PM
I am not complaining about their good looks. However, Congress mistakenly thinks that their euro-indian looks will bowl over the rural masses. They forget that Katrina Kaif has already fulfilled that need of the rurals. Unless Priyanka does a “Sheila ki Jawani’ in a rally, perhaps, maybe….
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May 16, 2014 at 2:24 PM
If sushma does munni badnaam hui, then Priyanka may do sheila ki jawani.
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May 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM
Currently Sushma is sulking, so she will not dance. Vaisey bhi usko kya padi hai, she will keep getting elected on Modi’s coat-tails in the future.
But after being handed over the Congi reigns shortly, when Priyanka will be faced with the unenviable task of digging out of a 48 seat hole, she will dance, sing, trapeze, kick, etc etc.
Phir woh khud hi badnaam hogi, wohi jawaan hogi, wohi voters ko bolegi ke:
Zara Zara Vote me Vote me,Vote me,
Zara Zara Note me Note me Note me.
Ohhh ohhh. Ohhh ohhh.
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May 16, 2014 at 2:40 PM
NYKavi, dont demean a lady so much.and you also made me to go to your level. I think you have a daughter too. Priyanka is also somebody’s daughter.
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May 16, 2014 at 2:54 PM
Public figures cannot complain of getting demeaned, it comes with the territory. Its not like they themselves don’t pull any punches when it comes to ridiculing others. My family is private, my daughter is not a public figure.
Priyanka outdid Kejriwal in her Amethi nautanki: tearing her chappal so she could walk barefoot, running away from SPG over a pile of bricks, going around town with that silly giggle, getting petals thrown on her at every step. All the while their pet pet pliant media shoots every act and fawns in their TV reports, doing re-runs of Indira Gandhi visuals to force a notion that this is the second coming of Indira! Its the limit, no wonder they think of themselves as Royals. As far as I am concerned, she is open game for ridicule. I do not owe her anything, but she certainly owes a lot to India. I am glad that they got a thumping in UP, and Rahul had to sweat it out for a victory in Amethi. They think people are fools to fall for all that political theater (ie nautanki) anymore.
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May 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM
People are fools for falling for another type of nautanki created and successfully executed.
As for demeaning, demean as much as you want. If you enjoy doing so.
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May 16, 2014 at 3:12 PM
“Public figures cannot complain of getting demeaned, it comes with the territory.”
What kind of laughable logic is this?! Priyanka might belong to corrupt and inefficient party and you can certainly criticise her for that but justifying your comments by saying that she walks barefoot is absurd. What on earth does that have to do with dancing item numbers?!
Why is it then that you Modi Bhakts get so enraged when anybody says something less-than-complimentary about him. Is he not a public figure? f a congress supporter had commented (in such a vacuous and puerile manner) on Modi’s looks all the BJP supporters would have savaged her for being a superficial bimbo.
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May 16, 2014 at 3:42 PM
One can’t help but roll eyes when a TV channel devotes an hour on how Priyanka tore her slippers and had to walk barefoot for a mile, and how does supposedly shows the commitment of the Gandhis towards Amethi. Or when the media highlights her bravery in breaking away from her SPG cover, running over a pile of bricks so she could go hug a poor bewildered onlooker on the side of the road. It is not me who is being puerile, but her favorite booty-licking media which highlights such trivial stuff in the name of ‘Gandhi Sacrifices’.
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May 16, 2014 at 3:46 PM
Rajenmaniar
“Appeasement of Minorities” ? In India ? When & Where ?
Perhaps the appeasement efforts were from very incompetent appeasers, because the status and conditions of the minorities have got worse, not better.
Perhaps some like to “Piss on Minorities AND call it raining”.
This “Appeasement of Minorities” sounds like Don Sterling’s “no racism exist” statement.
Wonder why there is this Maoist problem when so much appeasement of minorities is going on ?
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May 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM
It is you who is being puerile by choosing to focus on her ‘booty’. Her slippers have nothing to do with your comments about item numbers and it is utterly bewildering how you are trying to connect both. Make sexually demeaning comments all you want, it only reflects poorly on you. But don’t complain the next time somebody takes cheap shots at Modi, because that is just hypocrisy plain and simple.
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May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM
When the hell did I talk about her booty? Pls read my comment, I referred to her pet media as booty-lickers.
You gals need to take a chill pill. AajTak/Headline has been showing cartoons with Modi dancing/singing etc. No one complains, its all in jest. A little comment of Priyanka doing SheilakiJawani causes ya’ll to go ballistic! Relax Pls.
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May 16, 2014 at 4:30 PM
NyKavi, who are you fooling?! The cartoons about Modi dancing were clearly NOT intended to be sexually demeaning!!! And please let’s not even pretend that Modi supporters don’t go ballistic over perceived slights against him! Death/ rape threats via twitter, banning and muzzling free speech etc can be termed as going ballistic. A couple of little comments pointing out that your objection to the media’s level of discourse is highly ironic since it doesn’t get any sillier than your comments is not in any way, shape or form ‘going ballistic’.I wonder then what adjective you would apply to those who write 10,000 word
blog posts condemning every 140 character throwaway tweet of of Guha/ Saharika/ Bharka!
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May 16, 2014 at 3:15 PM
Remember my words : Obama will bend 😉
Njoy !!!
Obama : Congrats Mr. Modi for the victory. Now let’s talk about the VISA problem
Modi : There is no problem, you can apply it online,we’ll issue
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May 16, 2014 at 3:27 PM
Given the kinds of ‘characters’ US presidents become ‘friends’ with not sure if one would wish to celebrate this!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM
On the other hand they might make an example of Modi to white wash recent actions.
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May 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM
Who’s celebrating?
First line was reminder to Bandra on his Visa remark
And rest is joke floating on Web
PS : Obama has invited Modi to White house. Obama called Modi to congratulate him – PTI
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May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM
They have invited the PM of India, NOT Namo.
I hope you see the difference.
Now, should NaMo become NoMo, he will once again become persona non grata.
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May 17, 2014 at 3:28 AM
Bandra :
At last light dawned
When they revoked Visa, its was not Modi but duly democratically elected CM of country…
Its not chit be meri aur pat b mera logic
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May 17, 2014 at 10:02 AM
Bliss
There is a protocol for such matters. Also a hierarchy (the Federal Government works with leaders at the national level).
When the Visa was refused and a ban was imposed, NaMo was also applying for the title of the “Butcher of Gujrat”. That ban will remain. The Visa now will be issued not to that alleged Butcher but to the PM (auto qualification).
As soon as he goes back to being just another person, he will have to acquire the Visa on his own merit, and will once again face the existing ban.
This does not change anything.
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May 16, 2014 at 1:58 PM
The viciousness of modi supporters and the language they use.
The dirty tricks department has done its work. But it will boomerang on them sooner. As for performance, let us see. How they are going to handle Kashmir insurgency, all hues of terrorism etc. They made parliament a mockery by not allowing it to function for months together. And now they expect cooperation!
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May 16, 2014 at 2:02 PM
bus ab acchey din aa gaye. Lot of people will have mud on their faces after 10 years when India would be a super power to reckon with!
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May 16, 2014 at 3:13 PM
Congrats Di and Rocky 😀
Just Enjoy crying, tragic meltdown of libtards and sickulars….
I can pay anything to watch it again and again 😉
Now let’s celebrate decimation of Evil Dynasty and Stupid Nehruvian legacy
Rahul G ~ Acche din aane wale hain
Hum naani kay ghar jhaane wale hain :v
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May 16, 2014 at 3:25 PM
It’s one thing to have an ideological commitment but it ought to be a crime to be this Philistine..!
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May 16, 2014 at 3:52 PM
“but it ought to be a crime to be this Philistine..!” Trust me I think same when I read your pol hate filled illogical delusional comments… I am still waiting for when you talk on facts and not write 3000 word junk…
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May 16, 2014 at 4:00 PM
lol bliss. Last I heard Satyam changed his blog name to Philistia.wordpress.com
ROFLOL
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May 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM
Totally agree Satyam. It is hard to find people self-describe themselves so objectively. Acknowledging self-weakness is first step towards better future. Don’t you worry. Your ways will improve as long as you stay with sophisticated people like Bliss/Rocky/Rajen and moi
🙂
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May 16, 2014 at 3:59 PM
Hahahahahaha :v
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May 16, 2014 at 4:04 PM
LOL Di….. we will keep working on him….
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May 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM
Thank you Bliss, Congrats to you as well…
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May 16, 2014 at 4:05 PM
hamari chaati phuley nahi samati. This was my dream and prayers from 2009 when it was not part of imagination of any of my gujju relatives in amdavad! My only regret is shehzada won and Smiriti lost. Must be rigged!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:09 PM
you know I was talking to some gujjus yesterday and he told me an interesting story- one of his mama works for a bank and the other one works as a BDO.
Bank wala Mama used to go at 10.30, come home for lunch and Nap etc.– ever since Modi came, he leaves at 8.30 and comes back only in the evening.
The BDO wala Mama- has to swipe card for in and out and praprae a daily analysis of receipts and work done .
Both say- achcha aaraam tha, Modi ney kaam karna sikha diya !!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:42 PM
was talking to a guy from Bombay yesterday – ( we were 9 people last night, and all 9 were from different states , lol)
he is a pucca Congressi….but he told us an interesting story-
he was walking and listening to the commentary of Indo-Pak match near a Muslim locality, when a 14-15 year old asked him the score- he replied Hum jeet rahe hain.
He goes the confuses expression on the kid’s face puzzled him but then he realized that the kid was confused by Hum , whether it meant India or Pak.
These are real stories !!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:53 PM
Rocky do not forget that Modi would never have experienced such a sweeping victory if millions of Muslims hadn’t believed in Indian development strongly enough to vote for a Hindu party! Most Indian Muslims do consider themselves citizens of this nation, not the neighbour.
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May 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM
nice ones Omi. This is indeed revolutionary moment for India. This man is Sadhu like. Modi raho sada jindabad. India has spoken. Muslims voted for him too. Just some people here have narrow minded philistine thoughts to think low level stuff 😦
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May 16, 2014 at 2:18 PM
Superb Points by Great Bong…. Kahan hai Intellectual Mafia ????
1.The greatest communalization of votes has happened in Bengal but again not the media’s concern since it’s the good kind of communalization
2..TMC MP who called the Park street rape a business transaction gone wrong wins. Bengali feminist intellectuals more concerned about Gujarat
3.One can get predictions wrong. But when it is wrong because of your personal hatred you are not an intellectual. You are a hack.
4.To explain Bengal results, Didi has taken full minority vote from CPM with allowances to muezzins (struck down by court) & Modi baiting
5.The start of Buddhadeb’s fall was when he expressed concern over burgeoning madrasassas
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May 16, 2014 at 2:37 PM
The results looked like a one sided cricket match.
The efficiency in declaring results without delay. Like quick surgery.
Rahul gandhi trailed behind Smriti Irani at some point. Thought he was losing. Same happened with shashi tharoor.
Rakhi sawant got 15 votes.
Infosys candidates lost.
Priyadutt lost to Poonam Mahatjan and milind deora lost. And arun jaitley could not get the benefit of the so called wave.
What a day! Such a churning!
Who is responsible for this? Modi or the hardwork of RSS?
I enjoyed the drama.
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May 16, 2014 at 3:56 PM
Jha Sahab wapas aa gaye….
Aside- Won’t be surprised if by Monday the headlines are -“Blow to Modi ” !! Conditions have not improved at all in two days, Keju to sit on Dharna !!
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May 16, 2014 at 3:58 PM
has to be the Sanjay Jha effect- khoon Karen Maoist- murderer kelaye Modi !! wah wah wah !!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM
I hope you understand that the Maoist are rebels/terrorist where as Modi was the CM of Gujarat.
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May 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM
wow , what a news flash, I only know about the malnourishment in Gujarat sir jee……
very kindof you to label them as terrorists ( bada dard hua hoga tupe kartey hu . hai na ??)
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May 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM
Show equal grace by being objectively critical of the sins of Modi
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May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM
when does commit any sin, I shall keep that in mind….
meanwhile don’t be such a predictable and sore loser !!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:49 PM
Bandra.NRI: this is the problem with you sickular fiberals, you focus on trivial nonsense like the fact that India has worse malnutrition and starvation than sub-Saharan Africa. What do a few million starving and dying children matter when we have far more pressing problems to deal with such as:
1. Rahul and Priyanka Gandhi’s devastating good looks
2. Bharka, Sagarika and Guha’s twitter accounts
3. The NYT, BBC, Guardian, Oxford and Harvard which are all absolutely third-rate institutions that simply do not possess the knowledge,intelligence or authority to comment on India (only Modi supporters are qualified to do this on their scholarly blogs and distinguished twitter accounts)
P.S: In all seriousness, I am cautiously happy with the election results. In a utopian world, I would have wished for somebody very, very different from Modi. But the India of today is far from ideal, and I do believe that he is a better choice than the corrupt Congress or the ineffectual AAP. I just hope that he focuses on his promises of development and anti-corruption and doesn’t succumb to the intolerant/ bigoted fringe within his party.
And I hope that the right-wingers are not too enamoured with him to hold him accountable for fulfilling his lofty promises.
It is inevitable that India will experience rapid economic growth under Modi, but I hope that we experience meaningful social development and poverty alleviation as well.
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May 16, 2014 at 4:54 PM
LOL Ami, smoke alarms just went crazy here ….Burnol is in short supply these days !!
thoda chill karo…
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May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM
LOL Rocky, perhaps you should chill. Modi has experienced the grandest electoral success, and all you can do is post your endless stream of blogs and tweets against liberals! I think you are secretly obsessed with ‘commies’! 😛
In any case, the politician I support is Amma (I’m anti-congress and indifferent to AAP) and she has experienced a resounding victory in TN, so I need no burnol, thank you very much! 😛
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May 16, 2014 at 5:01 PM
Ami
You are right I focus on facts rather than far greater issues like fabricated anecdotes about commentary on Indo-Pak (how fresh this one is), cricket match in Moslem neighborhood. 🙂
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May 16, 2014 at 5:06 PM
Jha alert once gain !!!
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May 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM
Jha ka fabrication fact, hamara first hand experience anecdote !!
wah ree duniya !!
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May 16, 2014 at 4:29 PM
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May 16, 2014 at 4:48 PM
Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan · 11h
“Intellectuals” crapping how can a society with inequalities turn “right”. Well, UP-Bihar had always tilted left, and they saw the results
Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan · 5h
What a misogynistic brahminical fascist genocidal patriarchal majoritarian capitalistic speech by Narendra Modi. Disgusting and dreadful.
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May 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM
BTW Ami jee…. yeh jo aap NYKavoi ko itna lecture dey raheen hai, I never heard a word from you or other Liberals, when Congress was going after Modi’ s wife
have to salute Rupa Subramanya who called out all the liberals on this, what did the libertards tdo- they ganged up against her and called her all sorts of names !!!
example-
Shivam Vij @DilliDurAst · May 14
@rupasubramanya you are worse than the dogmatic secularists. They are at least not ideological turncoats towards the winning side
Shivam Vij @DilliDurAst · May 14
@rupasubramanya in so far as it talks about intellectual dishonesty, opportunism, myopia and poverty of imagination, it applies to you too
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May 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM
Rocky- did anybody comment demeaningly about Modi’s wife on SS? I cannot police the entire internet, and I cannot respond to every sexist comment I see either. I have strongly criticised
liberals when they have acted in as sexist manner i.e. the Tejpal case. Just because I don’t condemn each and every single incident on the left, doesn’t mean I can’t criticise even one incident on the right! Why are you so determined to find bias in my comments? 😛 I’m not a congress supporter, nor am I a communist; I find it amusing that you would think I was.
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May 16, 2014 at 5:24 PM
I just brought it up because as long as you were getting mad at NYK’s comments on its (de) merits , it is O.K., even I think some sentences of his were in bad taste, but that had nothing to with him being a Modi Supporter.
but then what was the need to bring in Modi in your criticism ..IMO that was quite unnecessary and shows your bias.
P.S.- I do think that Priyanka is Hot though !
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May 16, 2014 at 5:35 PM
I was not criticising Modi at all, I was simply pointing out NyKavi’s double standards i.e. If someone said something about Modi’s looks, NY would criticise it strongly. I certainly was not suggesting that Modi made him say these things! 😛
P.S. I agree! Both the Gandhi siblings (whatever else their faults might be) are very good-looking.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:08 PM
pata nahi usney vadra jaisey ugly aadmi kay saath kyun shaadi ki…maybe he was going to same church as her but still, she should have chosen better person/man.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:37 PM
” If someone said something about Modi’s looks, NY would criticise it strongly. I certainly was not suggesting that Modi made him say these things! ”
Far from it. I am totally irreverent about all these things. Just the other day I said, that when Modi parks his fat ass on the PM Chair, be assured that it will be stuck to said chair for the next decade at the least. The guy is a total egomaniac and narcissist, full of Me, Mera, Mainey. Mera Chappan inch ka seena!! My foot, his waist is chappan inch. I hate that the he speaks constantly in the third person. In today’s Vadodara speech, he spent like 15mins just congratulating himself for his phenomenal victory. Praising his own hard work, “I am Majdoor Number 1”, etc etc.
All that said, he is also hell bent on building a legacy for himself, and the best way to do so will be through real positive development of the sort he has done in Gujarat. That is the only positive in his persona, ie, he will change the face of India by sheer will and he will exercise his power to the fullest. The people of India have given him a foolproof majority to exercise his will. Somehow, despite his ego and narcissism, he has spectacularly connected with the junta. Maybe because of his aggression, his grueling campaign, and his wits.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:57 PM
OK, apologies, I mischaracterised your political attitude. But I do feel that that his narcissism is almost a necessary attribute to spark the Indian public’s imagination and succeed politically. The Junta want larger-than-life figures, be it in the films or in politics. This is true of most of the enduringly successful politicians today: Amma, Didi, Mayawati. Meanwhile the plebeian antics of a Kejriwal are met with utter derision and ridicule. It could also be that his utter self-conviction appeals to the masses after the superlatively timorous Manmohan Singh.
For instance in the UK, when Thatcher started referring to herself in the second person (the imperial ‘we’ as opposed to I) it was believed that she had reached the height of her arrogance. I think the political culture is extremely different in India and such things simply will not be seen of as out of the ordinary or unacceptable, but rather as something that indicates authority/ confidence in a leader.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:39 PM
” In today’s Vadodara speech, he spent like 15mins just congratulating himself for his phenomenal victory. ”
This is so not true. Even his tweet was different. He refers to himself in third person, separating ‘himself’ from the person who is in power. I think he is very sadhu like. He doesn’t want to ‘become’ anything. He wants to DO something. People have given him a chance.
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May 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM
And seriously, Priyanka Gandhi is the last woman I would find attractive. I have read their fav mediawallahs fawn and fret over both the siblings looks countless times in the last decade. It all comes down to the typical desi fascination for fair skin and caucasian features. Which is why I mentioned that when we already have Katrina, why is Congress trying to hoist Priyanka on the Amethi rurals? Other than perceived eye-candy appeal and a famous lastname, there really is nothing else that Priyanka has done in her life to have the right to take over an election campaign.
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May 16, 2014 at 8:37 PM
agreed wholeheartedly. They should be in holly/bollywood/modeling but in politics you have to show results for people who have put their trust and elected you, not for your fair skin. But maybe we need to get over our inferiority complex over fair skin or foreigners
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May 16, 2014 at 11:16 PM
ya first speech is inspiring and even his first tweet after winning election which created record:
high point of election:
when arvind kejriwal challenged namo for contest election from varanasi and when he silently accepted bait and rest is history
when priyanka vadra (wife of “rob”ert vadra) said “who is smriti irani” and she got 2.15 lakh vote from amethi(6 decade of dominance of gandhi and a safe seat) allmost trounced rahul(2.9 l votes)
silent workhorse and man responsible for eradication of polio dr. harshvardhan beating sibbal on home turf by over 1 lakh margin
loss of farooq abdullah, lalu’s family, mayawati(0 seats)
anhilation of sharad pawar in maharashtra
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May 16, 2014 at 11:25 PM
buzz in social media :
worldwide congratulations pouring in for modii and domestically gandhi clan which refused to congratulate narendra damodardas modi made a whole family a laughing stock
a new low for indian politics…toilet has been forced to report it
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/BJP-aandhi-flattens-clan-Gandhi-voter-wrath-reduces-Congress-to-half-its-previous-worst/articleshow/35225633.cms
Also, the refusal to name Modi or BJP in the congratulatory message, at the cost of appearing graceless in defeat, was designed to send out a message that Congress was in no mood to go soft on its biggest enemy, a man with whom it shares bad blood at a personal level. The cold response despite the massive defeat showed that BJP would have faced a gridlock in Parliament had it not managed to win majority in the LS. It, at once, shows that despite a majority in LS, Modi will have to seek out allies among regional parties to tide over the numerical deficit in the upper House.
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May 16, 2014 at 11:42 PM
Madhu Kishwar @madhukishwar
Believe it or not-Ram guha setting agenda for modi, sainath pouring venom, rajdeep insisting modi suffers from self love, not inclusive yet!
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May 16, 2014 at 5:06 PM
The Box office of politics
With a verdict as definitive & unanimous as this, the voting public have spoken. And spoken in favour of Modi. Never been his fan but not been his hater either (from whatever little I know).
Caste, regional & religious politics don’t get u food on the plate, uninterrupted electricity (& internet), jobs and financial foreign investments et al !
This simple realisation seems to have dawned onto the Indian people. While modi may not achieve any of these, he & his machinery were able to sell this ‘dream’ most effectively.
Now let’s not deny / trivialise the very ‘democracy’ one seems to be upholding.
The biggest test is when people pay with their hard -earned cash to watch films on the big screen (& not online/telly etc). Spin & ‘prestige’ falls by the wayside, for ‘intellectuals’ on blogs to mull over.
Here people have voted with their own futures at stake. How can u negate or ignore it. Time to respect that !
Ps:
As for Rahul Gandhi, guess it’s back to the Colombian girlfriend (& coke). Somehow he reminds me of (a better looking) abhishrek bachchan…
as for nykavi (of the ‘leggy n endowed’ fame)– he seems to have got into a sticky wicket –find an escape mate–amy is here lol
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May 16, 2014 at 5:40 PM
Anyway, here is a safe topic that the right and then left don’t have to fight over: the entertainment value of Arnab! 😀
http://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/arnab-goswami-was-the-real-hero-of-indias-elections
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May 16, 2014 at 10:41 PM
The best one
I’m pretty sure that when Arnab is alone in a big room, he shouts at himself. And when that shout echoes, he interrupts that echo.
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May 16, 2014 at 10:42 PM
How his wife will handle him when there is a fight between them? Is he married?
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May 16, 2014 at 10:59 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8tF9YSXe2vo
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May 16, 2014 at 11:19 PM
Modi has turned EVERYTHING on its head. Perhaps, we should allow the ‘liberals’ some grace period to get used to the new reality. Intellectual honesty is the first victim of any kind of extreme ideology and we see it happening to the liberals here. We might reasonably expect some grace and humility in face of such extreme decimation but sadly that hope seems to be misplaced. To expect something constructive from these ‘intellectuals’ is obviously a lost cause. But, we can be a little magnanimous and overlook their sad ramblings as they get used to the new realities. If they think the corrupt,immoral Congress was abetter alternative,let them labour under the misconception and pity them instead of piling up on them. Give them some time.
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May 17, 2014 at 3:37 AM
Rajen : Example of liberal lies, dishonesty and extremism :
They are flagging now this issue
So called libtards now say FPTP is wrong and India should opt for PR
Its was right as long as Evil congress and its offshoots were winning and wrong the moment Modi won…
Oh Forgot they are liberals but in really liberal fundamentalists
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May 17, 2014 at 8:48 AM
Lol Amy –havent watched this arnab show but wtf is goin on –full blown action threats intimidation both ways– but I think the woman meenakshi held her ground well ..
Btw another disappointment has been the dismal decline of AAP .. Hope they ‘learn’ from this experience & regroup since that movement surely had potential & a place in the schemata.
Modi haters like bandra nari & AAP supporters like oldgold seem to have literally gone into hiding … Chill gals
Jus reading bits on modi–
Have to Appreciate the rise of a tea seller to the PM of the largest democracy…
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May 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM
Apex
Please refrain from passing judgements. For a person who has confessed to “not know this” and “not know that” and have “not watched this” and “not watched that”, you should accept the limits of your ignorance and not step into a role of making passing judgements.
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May 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM
@ sanju–“Illalakagane pandaga kadu.”–
Plz translate that for us mere mortals–but plz no entendre/explicit stuff plz –u know I don’t like such stuff 🙂
@ bandra nari– I’m not passing any judgements —it’s u who are questioning the judgement of a vibrant majority of a democratic country who have made a decisive choice!!
& btw those who (unlike me) don’t accept they ‘don’t know this or that’ don’t by default ‘know everything’ ..(my ‘not knowing this or that’ is also another point for another day though..)
Also, baby, I won’t stop making judgments, jus bcos u tell me to-I might think about it if u say so nicely eh
As for your point on the USA visa for modi–
Indian (or for that matter any country’s!) state policy is not/should not be run subservient to the US border controls & visa office!
As somebody mentioned (think it was Satyam!) that who gets USA visa isn’t a criteria to decide anything
What modi has achieved here by becoming an elected PM (by majority) in a reasonably fair elections is more than what hundreds of USA visas can achieve for ‘NRIs ‘ etc.
So put things into perspective &
Btw ‘hate’ works both ways –question your antagonisms to modi ..& take a chill ‘pill’ gal (no pun intended) lol
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May 17, 2014 at 8:03 PM
Apex
Buddy, I was nice. I started with “Please”. To begin with I was responding to your characterization of my views on the current political landscape. I was not randomly picking on you. Hence I don’t get this request about “nice” ?
But you know, it is not as if one reads your ebonics like dribble and says, “Gee Golly, I am so lucky to walk through this rose garden of a Newtonian mind”. It does not take much to quickly realize that intelligence and you are like two parallel lines that incredulously do meet at infinity.
Your post are like an annoying street performance of b-boying that one has to navigate through in an otherwise wonder stroll about town.
So go ahead amuse us with your dance, and like some character from a Ruskin Bond novel, I will try and placate my conscience by charitable throwing in a few coins in your extended begging hat.
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May 18, 2014 at 11:54 AM
@ sanju–“This is for apex”–thanks for that interesting info, sanju, cheers. And do feel free to use/teach us other languages –I don’t believe in this English/hindi ‘supremacy’ thingy lol
@ bandra nari–you & some others are under the protection of selective & multiple layers of ‘moderation’ from my replies–so can’t interact with u ‘one to one’…have fun..
@satyam –u let the other comment(s) stay eg bandra naris here but my reply which had nothing objectionable has been removed –as if I couldn’t reply lol
This is why u delete my comments BEFORE even getting posted so readers can’t even see they’ve been wrongly removed. Now u are selectively removing my comments leaving others stay. —
it’s one thing batting with a blind over my eyes –it’s now like being asked to bat without even a ‘bat’..but hey that’s more challenging n fun.
I can deal with this, infact enjoy it. Besides u r the moderator so are ok to do this –the important thing is these sort of tactics-help u to ‘cope’ with life (& me) better –so it’s fine…. 🙂
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May 18, 2014 at 2:16 PM
All decisions made here are final and non-negotiable! interpret them as you may..!
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May 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM
Re.-All decisions made here are final and non-negotiable! interpret them as you may..!
KhemCho Satyam ???
Modi bhai ka asar aa gaya itna zaldee ??? LOL!!!
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May 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM
Illalakagane pandaga kadu.
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May 18, 2014 at 3:47 AM
There are some who write in hindi and I decided to write in some of the south indian languages when the occasion is appropriate.
Respect for other Indian languages besides hindi.
Rough translation of this telugu sentence.
In the south, they used to mop the mudfloors with cowdung and put rangolis or muggu or kolam with white rice paste or powder. Then they take bath, prepare for pooja.
Winning elelctions is like beginning. The cabinet formation, functioning of the government is like beginning of the pooja.
This is for apex.
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May 17, 2014 at 12:09 AM
It is in a way good that Local leaders like Mamta / Jaylalitha / Naveen Patnaik have swept away the polls with a clear mandate. This has paved an exit for Cong. dynasty.
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May 17, 2014 at 12:13 AM
But replaced by other dynasties. For another 10 years.
Dynasty is not the problem. Misgovernance is. No one cares who governs them as long as there is good governance and reasonable standard of living and opportunities to grow. A good dynasty is better option if there is no alternative.
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May 17, 2014 at 12:28 AM
dynasty, nepotism and lack of merit along with misgovernance
it virtually destroyed the credibility of mms and never gave him free hand
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May 17, 2014 at 1:10 AM
Koodankulam nuclear power plant has been ready since over a year but not allowed to go into operation thanks to protest movement, said to be financed by the US, since the power plant has been developed by Russia. Nobody knows the truth; koodankulam as of now is not being allowed to generate power. in tirunelveli dist during windy summer months, some relief is obtained through the thousands of eind poweted gnerators in oeration. The whole state benefits for a while. Then back tl power cuts. Politicians and activists are together causing hardship yo industry and common man. This is the story all over india. Let us see jow modi thd magician deals with such problems.meanwhild jaya has learnt her lessons, is less arrogant, more sensible. Hence she gets votes, not because people favour regional parties. DMK is now totally exosed and unpopular. BJP has its supporters smong the brahmin middle class. I am nk suporter of chauvinistic regiobsl parties. DMK has ulterior motive, of separating and joining with srilanka tamils. Jaya will never allow such athing to happen.
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May 17, 2014 at 1:14 AM
Typos again. Sorry. Wind power generation in tirunelveli dist. — this has helped to an extent. I and many other tamils are indians first. We will never allow separatist dmk to come back.
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May 17, 2014 at 1:16 AM
I think the man behind the protests contested the elections on aap ticket and he must have lost also.
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May 17, 2014 at 6:34 AM
On lighter note 😀
One Gujju was denied entry into train and INDIA got independence in 1947.
Another Gujju was denied US visa and he gave independence from congress in 2014 😀
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May 17, 2014 at 8:14 AM
yeah and in a lighter vein: a Gujju can do anything to get a US VISA 🙂 anything! can become a PM of the nation also 🙂
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May 17, 2014 at 7:41 AM
Found this magazine cover rather ironic. Just for some background information, Hartosh Singh Bal and Manu Joseph recently lost their jobs in this magazine apparently due to some unflattering stories on Modi.
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May 17, 2014 at 4:23 PM
Yes, they are comparing Modi’s victory with that of Hitler. Apparently same titled cover appeared in the 30s:
Unfortunately, the psuedo-seculars have stamped a permanent etch of Modi in their own minds. No matter what he does now, their insinuations will never cease.
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May 18, 2014 at 10:45 AM
Let’s look at the positive side.
Let’s look at this and say that they are predicting that just like what happened in Germany, India within the next few decades will shun The Ultra Right Wing Politics and become a very peaceful secular country.
The poster/cover is predicting that within the next few decades NaMo will be not just become NoMo, but will also completely disappear from public life.
Finally it has to be said, that the poster/cover does reflect the genuine views of plenty of people (all over the world) looking at this sad & tragic election. I think the poster is desperately trying to warn people to be cautious, very cautious. The poster is saying those who forget the lessons from history risk repeating it.
For me the poster/cover is again a reminder that a picture is worth a thousand words. But here is my prediction, this cover will become a collector’s copy. In years to come will be worth a lot of money, hence go out and buy it.
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN BUY THIS
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May 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM
Another Modi-Hitler prop from Mr Poonawalla:
http://www.countercurrents.org/poonawalla120514.htm
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May 18, 2014 at 4:01 AM
What’s is his qualification besides courting Monica Vadra, first cousin of Robert Vadra ??
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May 18, 2014 at 10:48 AM
Where can I buy this in North America ?
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May 18, 2014 at 9:58 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Every-third-newly-elected-MP-has-criminal-background/articleshow/35306963.cms
Every third newly-elected MP has criminal background
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May 18, 2014 at 12:56 PM
Poor Bandra NRI is coming undone!!
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May 18, 2014 at 1:56 PM
Rajenmaniar
In what way ?
I understand you believe Modi is India’s new dawn. I on the other hand believe that this is India’s darkest hour. We don’t see eye to eye.
There are justifiable & valid reasons for a lot of people around the world to believe, like me, that “A Greek Tragedy” is unfolding before our eyes. Your dismissal of these concerns such as your previous statement about “appeasement of minorities” is not politically correct.
I hope you understand that the very liberal policies of the West, which you have been a beneficiary of, is something you would like to deny to minorities in India. I expect you to be understanding as you too have been a minority (in the west). It is sad to see you line up with people who appear so against the human rights of the minorities.
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May 18, 2014 at 3:43 PM
I do not understand what the heck is being denied to the minorities?? Does the West allow a parallel Personal Law Board that allows polygamy? Does the West allow a totally autonomous state in a country, where the rest of the country cannot even invest in, cannot buy property in, etc. In effect, a state has been granted to minorities in which they can do as they please! It is hard to fathom what liberties have been denied??
Prosperity is the ultimate aim for every community. No one is denying prosperity to anyone in India. But it just doesn’t fall from a tree and land in one’s lap. Do you think the rest of us just became prosperous over the last 60 yrs just by sitting on our behinds, and crying hoarse, asking for pity?
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May 18, 2014 at 12:23 PM
Previously we had a prime minister who talked less and worked more.
Now the prime minister designate talks, talks and talks. Assures, assures, assures. And also these endless rallies, aartis etc. Ganga aarti, delhi rally, maninagar rally, trips to gujarat etc.
He used to go back to Gandhinagar daily. Now he has to live in Delhi for longer periods.
The elections are over and hope these rallies will also come to an end. Hope some real work is done.
We need shatrughan sinha here saying Khamosh.
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May 18, 2014 at 1:44 PM
and the Jha has gone berserk, dimaag ka dhai ho gaya hai becharey ka…
sample of good communalism as liked by the Jhas…
Sagarika Ghose @sagarikaghose · May 17
The #GangaAarti was beautiful, and so was Kashi Vishwanath, but hope the PM elect visits Gyanvapi mosque too!
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May 18, 2014 at 1:48 PM
I would like to see a muslim prime minister doing ganga aarti without getting fatwas.
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May 18, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Sanjana , where the VC of Darul was removed for just praising the development of Gujrat, do you think this is possible ???
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May 18, 2014 at 2:13 PM
That is speculative conjecture. Let’s first have a Moslem PM and then we will know the answer.
But a PM of India should respect all religions (if at all there is a need to acknowledge and recognize one). Modi needs to visit Mosques and Gurudwara etc also. He needs to know he is the PM for the whole of India not for a selected group.
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May 18, 2014 at 2:28 PM
True but where it gets tricky is with the question of how the nation is to be defined. There is always a tension within every nation-state when it comes to these definitions. On the one hand the nation is about whoever is a citizen of that nation. This is a more inclusive, ‘legal’ definition. On the other hand every such nation also has a more restrictive definition of what really constitutes the heart or core of the nation. Which is why there are always minorities. It is a structural necessity of the nation-state. The tribal instinct essentially survives in the latter but of course runs up against all the legal realities of the same. The gap is then covered up by politics. You can then start defining minorities as either those not completely committed to the idea of the nation-state, not patriotic enough therefore, even viruses at the heart of the nation-state weakening it from within. This entire discourse is an old one. Fascists thrive on it but even liberalisms of various kind are often challenged by it. A classic example here is say of a European nation where citizenship rights are spelled out in the most universal ways and these are linked to birth in most cases. But what is not envisaged at that point is the immigrant who will be born on that very same soil and will have the very same legal rights. Because the repressed reality of every nation-state is that more tribal link. Which itself is a fiction of course in more ways than one.
When fascism uses this kind of structural tension to its own advantage the minority can never really win. Because the charges in question are never provable. They acquire popular currency, they circulate anecdotally, over time they start seeming like obvious truths. But they are never more than myths. And what are the frustrations of a majority can be channeled this way. For instance rather than explain the exigencies of globalization to blue collar workers in Detroit it might just be easier to tell them immigrants are taking away their jobs. It’s a profitable myth for a politician (both stripes) but equally it is an easier reality for the voter to handle. Not least because it feeds a pre-existing bias. And this is always the trick in politics. To find a framing that a voter is pre-disposed to agree with. You can do it in the worst possible ways to create a negative politics or do it for more positive outcomes,
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May 18, 2014 at 2:38 PM
This is why anything beyond the legal Definition of citizenship should not be allowed in public discourse.
Not just in India, but throughout the world race & religion has to be pushed back into the private domain. Who you worship in your home (or religious place), who you close to inside your home, your gender etc should not be a public issue.
The state should not be allowed to show preference to any religion. There has to be a complete seperation of “Church & State”.
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May 18, 2014 at 5:07 PM
I agree with you but the problem is that you can’t legislate how people actually think. The ‘right-wing’ response or this kind of reactionary politics often comes about precisely because the liberal version of democracy has been written into law. So in India for instance the entire Hindutva response is really to the Nehruvian brand of politics which was the most inclusive kind in the history of the Indian nation-state. But the Right presents it as minority-appeasement and a betrayal of the Hindu essence of India, so on and so forth. Much as the Republicans in the US use a similar language to argue against immigration or militate against what they perceive as a betrayal of America’s Christian legacy etc etc. The terms of the debate are the same, the arguments identical, you just change some names and the formula holds. But all of this is possible because people are willing to accept these myths. If you grew up in a white suburb in Ohio and by the time you reach 50 you see the area turning ‘Hispanic’ you have a problem. Now you don’t think of yourself as a racist, you feel you too don’t have those attitudes but a lot of things happen at a much more instinctive level. And so then when you get a Republican party speaking to those same anxieties or attitudes in code you are very receptive to that message. Again this isn’t something you can legislate against. Of course the irony is that many Indians who support Modi or many Islamist-types or whatever suddenly demand the fullest freedoms and liberals guarantees in the West and are the most indignant when the detect the slightest bias in any sense. You can’t be one thing when you have the comfort of being in a majority back home and another thing when you’re in a minority. And the argument always is that the situations are different. Yeah right!
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May 18, 2014 at 1:55 PM
#YoSagarikaSoSecular is trending and some really witty comments there – None however can beat Greatbong !!
Greatbong @greatbong –
#YoSagarikaSoSecular for every pinch of saffron in her recipies, there is same pinch of dhaniya.
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May 18, 2014 at 1:45 PM
Foe people like Jhas..very very true this-
Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan · May 16
The probability of a Modi hater being a Hinduphobe is much much higher than that of a Modi supporter being an Islamophobe
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May 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM
Rocky
This is exactly what we expect to see from here onwards. Fake research and statement that divide not unite. An all out assault on secularism. No leaf unturned to marginalize and discount the minorities.
Yes this is India’s darkest hour. But I have faith that within some years, Right Wing Politics will be dumped. This tragedy will scar people from ever mixing religion with politics.
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May 18, 2014 at 2:07 PM
no , we will however see this crap-
She claimed that majority of Muslims, backward castes and upper castes got confused and did not vote for BSP.
“Muslims would definitely regret it and it is well known that they first get confused and later regret it and this is not in their favour,” she said
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/ls-election-muslims-would-definitely-regret-this-mayawati/20140517.htm
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May 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM
What do you mean NO ? We are already seeing it. You just posted a hate inciting statement vis a vis Modi supporters/opposers.
From now onwards, Hate will be the new currency in India. It will of course bankrupt us. Out of those ashes a new India will rise, that will shed communal politics. Personally I believe if we attack “hate politics” we will also end up containing corruption. Hatred (of minorities) and corruption go hand in hand. Cannot rid of one without addressing the other.
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May 18, 2014 at 2:10 PM
and this is the reality-
Anand Ranganathan @ARangarajan1972 · 5h
Soni Sori of AAP stood from Bastar, a Maoist den, and came fifth. She got 16,903 votes. NOTA got 38,772. Soni Sori just got found out
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May 18, 2014 at 1:48 PM
ha ha ha ha ha …another one for the Jha….
Greatbong @greatbong · 13h
Those who lost, please try to get over it. And if “fascism is coming” and comparisons with Hitler act as pacifiers, then fine.
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May 18, 2014 at 2:31 PM
last one before Satyam yells at me for spamming…
Gayatri Jayaraman @SellingViolets • May 17 (Sr Ed., India Today Mumbai, single mom)
Congress and lefties can sulk all they want, but someone needs to ask why the nation is more saffron today than it was 2 yrs after Godhra.
Sad to see some old friends unfollow. Just reconfirms my belief that the left is extremely intolerant of any disagreement. Extremisms meet
Sorry but can do nothing about it. Will not turn anti Hindu to prove I’m pro Muslim. Secular definitions need to be broader than that.
I stand by what I’ve always said: this country badly needs right wing debate cos the root of what we are is religion. Left cannot cut it out
To refuse to engage with another side because it is not your side is juvenile and extremist. And dangerous. Esp with a mandate like this.
I like the emergence of the liberal right wing that this election has thrown up. Promising ideological pathway
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May 18, 2014 at 2:44 PM
This election marginalized or at least tried to marginalize “Corruption”. This not a pro anything mandate but an anti corruption mandate.
The old guts were seen hand in hand with corruption and hence they were thrown out.
These guys will be also thrown out if they embrace the same corruption OR if they do nothing except promote their personal religious beliefs.
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May 18, 2014 at 2:53 PM
The first para has some truth, but a lot also had to do with the Gujrat development.
I Agree with second and third para completely .
P.S.- Now please don’t even think of writing/ posting links against Gujrat development , coz, the people have spoken, experienced and are comfortable with it. If you still choose to continue about the gujrat development then people will be forced to think that the breakdown of Bandra.NRI is actually Bandar . Anarai .
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May 18, 2014 at 3:53 PM
This mandate is Hope, Aspirations, Economics and against Dynasty. If corruption was main issue AAP would have got majority 😛
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May 18, 2014 at 3:02 PM
Amazing logic here
Obama while campaigning for Presidency repeatedly emphasized his Christian roots ( ti=o nullify Hussien name) and British PM says its christian country and ask those liberals, Why Obama shelved plan to visit Golden temple?
VP of India Mr Ansari refused to light lamp and do Aarti but he is secular liberal coz he is muslim. Its only when Hindu says I am Hindu it makes liberals go wreck.
Liberals don’t know what has hit them. They are going through Psychological implosion.
As Arun Shourie rightly said, Secularism in India is prostituted term.
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May 18, 2014 at 3:28 PM
Bliss
On a relative scale, both Britain and US are civilized countries with so many checks and balances in place that we don’t expect riots to break out anytime soon that will takes the lives of thousands of minorities (a la Gujarat). These are so called safe heavens. Yet people are not happy with religion becoming a bigger and bigger issue in politics. British PM has been critisized for his statement. The tea party is mocked at even with the a Republican Party.
On the other hand, India has all this necessary ingredients (especially now after this very tragic election) for race riots. Hence in India we need to be very vigilant about such matters. India needs zero tolerance on this matter.
Moreover don’t you feel the need to end hate politics is self evident ? This justification based on some other country also having such bad politics is lame. We don’t have to de what has been proven wrong time and again. Let’s try to be better than others.
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May 18, 2014 at 3:51 PM
You seriously need to read about riot history of India. Go read it and thn we can debate.
Civilised countries?? Yes who presidents spread Red carpets to despicable despots in world. Who’s presidents/ Govt kill lakhs of people for no reason or just for whim?
Need more examples ?
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May 18, 2014 at 3:37 PM
Out of curiosity, would you really be this outraged if an American asked Obama why he shelved his plans to visit the Golden Temple? Do you think that the very harsh criticism Cameron faced from several prominent people in the UK for calling the UK a Christian nation is also unjustified/ unpatriotic?
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May 18, 2014 at 3:47 PM
I am least bothered what Obama does. It was to show selective picking of so called liberals…
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May 18, 2014 at 3:51 PM
That was not my question. My question was do you think that somebody (say, an American Hindu) asking about Obama’s shelved visit to the Golden Temple is also outrageous/ unjustified?
And how have you showed the selective picking of the liberals?! David Cameron was VERY HARSHLY criticised by every single liberal media outlet in the UK!!!!
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May 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM
Why you picked on Cameron only? Why not Ansari and Obama shelving his plan of Golden temple?
Seen any voice on that?
No
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May 18, 2014 at 3:58 PM
What the hell? You brought up Cameron, I didn’t pick on anybody! I’m just pointing out that your point about Cameron is completely moot, since he faced harsh liberal criticism here in the UK. And you still haven’t answered my question.
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May 18, 2014 at 4:00 PM
I listed 3 incidents.
I replied NO .
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May 18, 2014 at 4:07 PM
So…no, you don’t think asking about Obama’s visit to the golden Temple is unjustified BUT you think asking why Modi doesn’t visit the mosque is unjustified? Or did I misunderstand you?
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May 18, 2014 at 4:09 PM
“Sikh groups have urged US President Barack Obama not to avoid visiting the Golden Temple in Amritsar during his India trip next month, amid reports he is now unlikely to go there.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11600680
So are these Sikhs also fiberal sickulars?
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May 18, 2014 at 4:11 PM
Also, a quick google search yields results from every major newspaper from the NYT to TOI questioning this decision, so again, moot point!
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May 18, 2014 at 3:57 PM
Bliss, NyKavi, Rocky: Since you all seem so convinced that India alone is a paradise for minorities and hell for the majority, I would like to know your thoughts on this. It’s an increasing common complaint amongst the right-wing in the UK (decreasing celebration of traditional Christian festivals and increasing visibility to minority festivals).
“Celebrating Diwali but possibly not doing a nativity play at Christmas.
My daughter attands a welsh medium school. Last year however, a Nativity was deemed not respectful to a multi cultural school and they did some play which was about delivering presents from around the world, no real mention of Jesus and not very festive, my daughter was dressed as an australian surfer!
My daughter came home yesterday with a card saying Happy Diwali, which I was a bit shocked about, I’ve been told that this year the school may not be doing a traditional nativity play again. There are by the way a very small group of hindu children less than 5 in a 140+ school.
Now I want to see my daughter take part in a traditional nativity play this year and so do other parents but the decision is being made by the head mistress, but it seems a bit one sided regarding these cultures in our school.
They dont want to do a Christian nativity play, but all children were making Diwali cards, without any questions as to whether we want our children to learn about Diwali, all seems a bit one sided to me, and not very fair on the majority of the school.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this, and also do you think I should approach the head mistress about it?”
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May 18, 2014 at 4:06 PM
Also, here is a Sikh British- Indian’s reply:
“For me, living in England,I wouldn’t kick up a fuss about celebrating Diwali. But Christmas and nativity I would definitely kick up a fuss about. After all it’s not a Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, country.”
As religious minorities living in Christian majority societies (I presume), would you feel the same (as opposed to Rajiv Malhotra, for instance, who harshly critics the notion that modern USA is a society based on Christian roots). ) I’m asking because Sagarika’s request for ‘minority tokenism’ angers you so much.
http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/primary-school-age-4-11-years-60/677352-celebrating-diwali-but-possibly-not-doing-nativity-play-christmas.html
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May 18, 2014 at 4:26 PM
IMO, the liberals in USA/UK are doing exactly what liberals in India are, ie, to stick a thorn in the side of the majority religion.
So for them, it is communal and a violation of church-state separation when a Christian openly displays his Christianity. But it is liberal/secular to support a minority who brazenly propagates their religion. Btw, I rarely see Hindus in the US/UK making some hue-n-cry over oppression of any rights. I do see some fringe idiots trying to make an issue out of trivial stuff, like when Selena Gomez wore a Bindi for a song.
Being a Hindu, I care a hoot about whether Obama goes to Church or not, or if my daughter is taught a Christian prayer at school. I too studied in a Catholic school, and despite all attempts by the HeadMaster and teachers to propagate Catholicism, there were hardly any takers. I guess it is because amongst Hindus, the impoverished and oppressed (ie mostly Dalits/SCs) were the only people who are smitten for conversion. By and large Hindus have never attempted to proselytize, so they also are not bothered about whether Diwali gets celebrated in schools. Recently, however, when we see other minorities getting special privileges, questions are asked by us. eg when the New York mayor declared holidays for Eid and Chinese New Years, but not for Diwali.
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May 18, 2014 at 4:38 PM
I posted this to counter the constant insistence by the Indian right that there is some giant global conspiracy to demonize Hindiusm alone, and that there is no other country that indulges in so-called minority appeasement/ tokenism.
So much of the right-wing in India ( not referring you specifically) seem to think that liberals are all Missionaries/ Mullahs, which can’t be further from the truth! It’s not about a specific religion, it’s about the minority vs, majority, whether that minority happens to be Hindu, Muslim or Christian.
It is quite silly to accuse anyone who is liberal of being an Islamist/ Missionary/ Communis and it is certainly not that minorities are oppressed elsewhere and elevated to a pedestal in India alone, or that Hinduism alone is criticised by liberals across the world.
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May 18, 2014 at 4:52 PM
Well, liberalism only exists in open democracies. Russia/China/IslamicCountries, much of Africa etc do not entertain any liberals. So it boils down to 2 societies with liberals: the Christian West and Hindu India. And there is only one common vocal minority in both places. The liberals in both places continue to vehemently fight for the same minority religion, ie Islam.
Hindus in the US hardly need any help for any fight, most of them are too prosperous to even bother about all this. IMO, the only time Sikhs protest is when they are not accepted due to their requirements to keep beards and turbans. Other than that, even Sikhs hardly proselytize.
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May 18, 2014 at 5:02 PM
Liberals fight for the rights of all religious minorities, not only Muslims. Whether the minority is vociferous or not, is a different matter. For instance, no liberal in India is going to have one standard for Christians and another for Muslims. The same applies to Muslims and Hindus in the West. The increased profile of Hindu festivals like Diwali in the UK, for instance, is a result of liberal efforts.
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May 18, 2014 at 6:13 PM
NyKavi
In a nutshell, The liberals in the west are merely trying to make the “majority” aware that they have no special claims on the land. In the eyes of the law, all are equal, and hence all should also get equal benefits. No one is entitled to special treatment at the expense of the other.
In essense the very need of the law is to protect the rights of the minorities from being trampled or from being taken for granted by the majority.
Just like the very need of the labor unions was to protect the weak from being taken advantage of by the strong.
But it appears your singular obsession with Islam colors & distorts your opinions on all issues. I hope you someday get it that it is not about Islam or any one religion, but a higher moral principal. Hence stop scapegoating and realize that it is a sickness to wish less for others while wanting much more for your own self.
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May 18, 2014 at 6:38 PM
On the contrary, I do not wish any less for anyone else, I hope that everyone works hard and enjoys the full fair fruits of their effort. You keep trying to attribute these falsehoods on anyone who does not agree with your viewpoint. I do not wish any less rights for anyone that is in a minority. Heck, I am in a minority in the US, but I have never had to complain. I worked my butt off, did well, and prospered. Dude, I was working on $4/hr jobs when I came to the US in the early 90s. Minimum Effing Wages!!. But I educated myself, learnt, applied and progressed. And yet I see people on minimum wages go blow their wages on beer/cigs every evening and then turn around and complain.
Nothing I can ever complain about. Yes, I did face racism many times, I was even asked to convert (ie Baptized) by a Project Manager in Dallas (in an IT company of all places!!). Migratory H1B desis in the south used to be a prime target of the Southern Methodists in the 90s. But who gives an effing hoot to the majority religion. I showed him my middle finger, and he could not do a thing, cause he needed my programming skillset.
When a person is hellbent on being successful, the success just comes. Thats the only mantra that works. Rest all is self-pity.
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May 18, 2014 at 8:45 PM
NyKavi
Your story is not unique. Nor is it solely you that made your success happen. US takes the weak & the tired from all over the world, and gives them an opportunity and a platform to rise and shine. Hence, stop hogging all the credit for yourself, you, a minority, benefited from the liberal policies of this country.
Now if you allow similar openness and freedom in India then maybe others too, minorities in India, can similarly rise and shine. Trust me everyone is better off in free & fair, open system, and you know that first hand. Think where you would have been if you had found all door in US closed.
Hence, be grateful, pay back the debt you owe to liberalism by opening the doors for others.
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May 18, 2014 at 9:02 PM
I can’t say I subscribe to those romantic notions about success being a result of persistence. If you are born in certain places in India and in certain castes no amount of ‘trying’ will get you to that position. If you are born in many inner cities you can certainly be successful but the odds of doing that are almost like winning a lottery. Now within other classes what you’re saying is to a great extent applicable. But not everywhere. If you’re living in Congo how many things can you really try out in life?
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May 18, 2014 at 10:25 PM
Oh that was brilliant Bandra, stated in the true mold of a liberal. I am reminded of “If you’ve got a business, you did not built that….” straight from the horse’s mouth. Except that in your zeal, you replaced ‘capitalist’ with ‘liberal’! As in, it was the ‘Capitalism’ and “Capitalist Policies’ of this Great Country which helped me and NOT the misplaced principles you ahere to. No one denies that basic protections such as social security and minimum wage are the absolute requirement of every great society. But effort coupled with risk taking are not given to anyone, a person has to have that ability within to succeed. However, you do not surprise me, cause liberals have claimed everything from having built the internet (Gore) to the more recent about having built the Indian Telecom System (Priyanka). But that was a gud one, for a moment I thought I was living in a socialist utopia, where all I had to do was show up and life’s luxuries would just get showered on me.
Satyam,
We are not talking about Congo here, we are discussing the US and India, both strong democracies. No one denies the plight of the dalits, but they too have had 60+ yrs of reservations aimed at elevating their status. But if their own messiahs (eg Mayawati, Yadav clans etc) do a disservice to their own people, who is to blame for it? Why do you think Modi managed to slice away layers upon layers of the aspirational segments within the lower castes? After all, an educated Dalit also needs opportunity, not the same old obeisance to Mayawati in return for nothing.
I also admit that the Indian system still needs to provide for basic protections (minm wage, social sec, etc). But if the revered Congress starts saying that Rs12/day will provide nutritious food to Indians, where the heck do u think any reform will come from? I am all for setting $1/hour of minm wage in India. Heck, we shud be able to at least manage 50cents/hr, it will be less than one-tenth of the US. But when the messiahs of socialism in India do not think of any such floors, who the heck is to blame?
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May 19, 2014 at 1:35 AM
Millennia of incredibly injustice and one of the most extraordinary sequences of human servitude and abjection in history cannot unfortunately be set right by a few decades of reservations! Important as these policies have been in many ways and incredible as some of the political emancipation has been for these castes in a relatively short period of time you still need a lot more time.
In all these ‘debates’ one of the things that always sadly clear to me is the degree to which people still have such a weak, even impoverished sense of so much Indian contemporary reality and history. There are people in India who’ve voted in a few elections but who’ve never seen a train. Think about what that means. We have an extraordinarily poor sense of what caste means, what all the relevant histories are, what kind of institution it has been. So on and so forth. And this is just one area though the crucial one at many levels.
I’m afraid I can’t subscribe to this paradigm whereby the lower caste politicians are always those taking their folks for a ride and somehow responsible for their continued immiseration and not playing by the normal rules that all other politicians have to submit to. There is a certain kind of biased discourse that crops up here which renders lower caste politics in completely ‘primitive’ terms.
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May 18, 2014 at 11:24 PM
NyKavi
Sure US is a capitalist country, the infrastructure is capitalistic. But the mindset of the people that control & manage this infrastructure is liberal. This is the open mindset that allowed you entrance, and then gave you an opportunity to “rise & shine”. AND TO THIS LIBERAL vales you owe a debt.
Won’t you in return offer the same open mindset to the minorities in India ? Without the embrace of this openness by the US, your hard work & tenacity would have amounted to nothing. Do you not see that you are in essence condemning the minorities of India to a life of nothing by closing your mind & heart to them ? Is that what you want ?
When you became successful, US and the world also gained from that success. Think how much India and the world will gain if we, learning from our collective experience in US, now do the required for the minorities in India. We have the Rosetta Stone, the road map to turn India into another US. But in order to get there we need to free our minds from hate and prejudice.
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May 19, 2014 at 2:54 AM
well for people on H1s and other work Visa I think republicans are more helpful. With Democrats it is more about illegal ones because they constitute vote bank. US is on path of becoming like India where people target different groups for votes.
People from outside don’t get preferential treatment but “same” treatment as citizens. We can argue people who reach US for work are typically well educated and so they are bound to do well but in same vein person working at 7-11 doesn’t get any special treatment or treated differently but have same opportunities as any other citizen.
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May 19, 2014 at 2:12 AM
Millennia of incredibly injustice and one of the most extraordinary sequences of human servitude and abjection in history cannot unfortunately be set right by a few decades of reservations!
This can be said even with reference to women of India of all castes.
If one really wants dalit emacipation, Mayawati is the right person with the right amount of energy. I just wonder why she did not penetrate southern india. Maybe the language barrier.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:09 AM
This is the most glibly ignorant statement I’ve heard. India is a ‘vibrant democracy’ where the disadvantaged can easily find success through hard work? Please! On most development statistics, India is far closer to Congo than to any Western democracy!
Do you really feel that the overwhelming majority of this country who are severely disdvantaged in so many ways: the illiterate (quarter of the population and nearly half of women), the starving children (around one in every three), the millions of sexually trafficked women etc do not succeed because of lack of hard work and spending money on beer and cigarettes?
Do you really think that all the farmers who commit suicide, all the mothers who die in childbirth due to lack of medical care and all the girls who are murdered as infants had a chance to succeed in this supposedly vibrant democracy?
Do you really believe that all the agricultural labourers, domestic help and construction workers who toil everyday for pitifully low wages are any less hardworking that successful IT professionals in the USA?!
For the middle and upper class to ignore the rights of the disadvantaged in India is to ignore the majority, NOT the minority. To ignore the fact that India has some of the world’s very worst social and economic indicators (on a per capita basis) and to blindly strive to ‘compete’ (on the most superficial terms) with advanced, industrialized, Western nations that are eons ahead in terms on holistic development is incredibly delusional and jingoistic.
P.S. This comment has nothing to do with the politics of Modi, but rather the aspirations of educated Indians who seem so determined to ignore the overwhelming evidence that it is absurd to class India in the same category as the USA and to pretend that a similar degree of socio-economic mobility exists, where anyone can elevate themselves merely by their own efforts.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:26 AM
I’ve long felt this and this was one of the reasons I was always so resistant to SRK’s iconic cinema or even many multiplex genres otherwise. The ‘new Indian’ mindset has always been symptomatic of this flight from history. Not that previous generations in the same classes were somehow more connected with other Indian realities but this paradigm of consumption has produced the ‘generation-in-a-hurry’. Now to some extent this is a global model (entrepreneurship and the like) but the assumptions of advanced liberal democracies are not as operative in India for obvious reasons. However there is a class of newly empowered folks, the ‘multiplex classes’ as I like to call them, who can nonetheless maintain a certain kind of parity with their Western counterparts or what have you. They often have the economic tools and they rarely bare the brunt of the political or institutional brutalities of the system. Hence they can very easily build a bridge in their minds between their own lives and those elsewhere in similar situations. But this comes about partly by evading ‘old India’. Not simply by ignoring it (this is something their predecessors would have done too) but by re-defining it as the atavistic or that which must be overcome and if this is not possible left behind in this march toward capitalist consumption which also goes by the name of globalization. Of course it is also true that the very same movement obtains in the West. In other words to maintain the ‘West’ you need those inhuman factories in Bangladesh or Mexico or wherever, you need the atrocities prevalent in the Congo, etc etc. As Zizek routinely points out the Congo is every bit the part of globalization that New York is or that the swanky parts of Shanghai or Bombay are. Once upon a time those work conditions existed in the heart of the West (Manchester). Since then they’ve outsourced to other countries. In this sense ‘rendition’ is the political equivalent of this format. You can’t torture people but your friends elsewhere can and you hide behind the legalistic argument. Similarly you cannot maintain those inhuman conditions anymore but other countries can. The classic example here is Apple where Foxcon in China does a lot of their work on screens and assembling and so on. Customers around the world see the seduction of the iPhone or iPad but not the work conditions of Foxcon. More recently there have been articles about how disgusting work conditions are in Amazon warehouses even in the US. These examples could be endlessly multiplied. The problem isn’t that free markets just need to be spread even more but that free markets precisely create and enable certain precise forms of immiseration. Incidentally this is something that after the last crash is being much more recognized and debated now that it was in the heady 90s. But to get back to the Indian example thew ‘new Indians’ follow this same essential and really ‘religious’ narrative of free markets that will liberate the world. Quite naturally anything then that hinders this ‘corporate’ logic of economics or the multi-nationalization of economics is immediately identified as a threat (not just in India by the way but even in the US or anywhere else). And so from lower caste politics to cinematic subversion of even the minimal kind everything and everyone becomes the enemy. Again this is not just about being unaware of other realities but trying to rewrite them in very programmatic ways. This is where abstractions are even more problematic than usual. There are different kinds of poverty, different kinds of political subjection, different kinds of abjection, so on and so forth. Bangladesh wasn’t a paradise before globalization took over. It is quite clear for example that even with collapsing buildings people would rather take the risk and work in those conditions than not. Because their lives are even worse off without this option. But this doesn’t mean one should simply follow the triumphalist globalization narrative in these matters. Partly for the reason that earlier waves of economic deprivation were also enabled by all kinds of colonialism. It’s like those who argue Africa wasn’t the greatest place in the world before the colonizers showed up. Perhaps (though this question doesn’t have an easy answer) but after colonization the colonizer bears some responsibility for all the re-ordering that came about. In India similarly, and to take another example, there was always caste but the precise structures we live with bear the traces of British mediation (for instance ‘untouchables’ exploded as a class under British rule). But the second reason is that once a certain economic system alters the landscape it makes even the poor more impoverished than before if they don’t get ‘with the program’. And this is not even to get into the shattering of the ‘world’ for so many of these people. If you’re living in Bombay you might have got an upgrade since the 70s if you belong to certain classes. As I’ve said before Amol Palekar got tired of taking the bus! But if you are that farmer somewhere in Madhya Pradesh who has to vacate his land and for the sake of a dam or something and who is then sent off to Rajasthan where he has no experience with the land or the new crops that he has to grow or whatever, if the same farmer in a different situation has to suddenly start working in a factory to survive because the older form of life isn’t available anymore this represents a loss of an entire world for that person. It’s not like migrating from Bombay to New York! Tough as immigration might be in many circumstances and I am hardly insensitive to this. Now some of this is simply about the ‘march of history’ as it were. One day there were cars, horses became obsolete and entire industries and livelihoods connected with the latter disappeared. It was tragic for the people with whom this happened but it couldn’t be said one could have lived with horses forever! We are living through another such age at the moment. Which is why greater vigilance and responsibility are required to work through these problems or at least try to understand them. My point isn’t that one simply shuts the door on this stage of capitalism or something. At the very least this would constitute a long philosophical project (which many are engaged with as we speak). But that there is simply no excuse for this kind of political irresponsibility that Indian’s multiplex generations, easily among the more anti-intellectual or even Philistine in the world, have eagerly embraced. The problem then is a certain complacency that borders on the idiotic but that in any case is politically reprehensible. This is the world of SRK’s cinema. This is really the ‘new Indian’ moment. Behind all the triumphalism and some of the good that undoubtedly came about one has to also balance out the deprivation that resulted in other quarters. We can no longer pretend to be naive about this stuff. Just on India and Indian cities there has been a barrage of works in recent years. That we continue to be so shows a level of bad faith. At a personal level and in political terms. We simply don’t care and we don’t wish to care about what’s happening in India. Then when there’s a Maoist attack of some sort we are horrified. Of course this sort of violence is revolting and must be condemned but perhaps one should also examine what happened to enable this kind of anarchy and violence in the first place.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:27 AM
India is still a feudal society and this trait runs strong. Even the creamylayer and emacipated dalits embrace this trait happily.
Remember that Khobragade woman and her domestic servant?
I could not bring myself to watch those election rallies addressed by non BJP parties as I saw many starved faces in the hot sun with no expression listening to speeches listlessly.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:56 AM
Ami, you have applied whatever I stated wrt the US context into the Indian context. For Gods sake, I never said that Indians are blowing money on beer/cigs, or that the environment is conducive for them to work hard and get them ahead. Those statements were made in the US context. Off course, I am not ignorant about India’s severe issues. Read my next comment to understand where I stand on the urgent need to provide basic protections (ie soc sec, minm wage, health, etc) to the Indian public.
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May 18, 2014 at 4:13 PM
“Correspondents say that it had earlier been strongly hinted that Mr Obama would visit the Golden Temple and the requirements and sensitivities associated with entering it.
Hansdeep Singh, a senior staff attorney for the United Sikhs lobby group, said: “If these rumours are true, this is a tremendously disappointing moment for the entire Sikh community and religious minorities in general.”
Man, these minority-pandering sickular fiberals are so bloody annoying! Why do they cos tangly demand such tokenism? 😉
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May 18, 2014 at 4:13 PM
*constantly
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May 18, 2014 at 4:52 PM
Rajiv Mahotra vehemently opposes an article (note: not a government law or official suggestion but simply an opinion piece in the WSJ) which says that the Bible should be taught in American schools since it is a foundational text for a society with Christian roots. He says this:
“Teaching Bible is OK provided:
A) It is treated not as religion or belief but as political doctrine and mythology mixed with some history
B) All other faiths are equally represented in the curriculum”
Funnily enough it’s the same right-wingers who support Rajiv who would be absolutely incensed if an Indian were to respond to similarly to an article suggesting that the Bhagavad Gita is taught in Indian schools.
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May 18, 2014 at 4:55 PM
To be perfectly clear, I am not at all sympathetic to the pro-Christian right wing in the West either, I just brought these articles out to illustrate A) Liberal ideology does not have an anti-Hindu agenda and B) The minority perspective should look different when one is actually a minority in the West!
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May 18, 2014 at 5:09 PM
There is another aspect, ie, the acceptance by Hindus of the Western Legal System. The British Raj had already boxed and clipped Hindu Legal Rights to adhere to Western Law. Further, the Hindu Marraige Act was passed to disallow polygamy in Hinduism. Also, there never had been any Hindu Religious Law such as Sharia. So the Hindus already live their lives as Westerners. But Muslims in the East live lives based on Sharia which is different from Western Law. Therefore, much of the issues raised by them in the West also has got to do with their own preference to adhere to Sharia. There were open calls by Muslim clerics in UK to impose Sharia in their towns/ciites. Thus the recent scandal in the UK wrt Muslims segregating the sexes in schools where they had influence. Or the banning of veils in France, or the Swiss banning some mosques etc.
And by and large, liberals in Europe have continued to support the Islamic minority, irrespective of the fact that the Islamic minority is just a different religious right. It is not the majority Christian right, but it indeed is on the Right!! So it is oxymoronic for a true Leftist Liberal to be fighting for this minority.
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May 18, 2014 at 5:12 PM
The Russians and Chinese were true practitioners of Liberalism. They just banned every religion, whether large and small. No wonder they hardly had these issues to deal with.
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May 18, 2014 at 5:27 PM
Which (sane) left liberal fights for Sharia laws to be applicable in west?! Did the liberal West not provide shelter to Rushdie despite innumerable Fatwas? Has the liberal West not hailed Malala’s fight against the Taliban and Islamic extremism and elevated her to the status of a Demi-goddess? There is a different between fighting for a minority and fighting for minority extremism.
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May 18, 2014 at 6:18 PM
Ami
Great comment
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May 18, 2014 at 5:30 PM
With all due respect Nykavi and it would take too long to flesh this out for which I don’t have the time but of your last 2-3 responses here 95-99% of the claims made are more about myth than reality. I could literally go sentence by sentence. I’ll just offer one example though — check out the work of Ramachandra Guha but the Indian constitution offers many special privileges for Hindu ‘tradition’ and not only Muslims (it does the same for many other groups too). It is true that polygamy is denied to the Hindu (and of course this riles the majority more than anything else! why should the minority be allowed to enjoy more women?!) but there are other privileges they have as well. Also it was the Hindu Right, precisely the people you like who did not want a uniform civil code because they wished to preserve all aspects of Hindu tradition. These debates at the time were long and complex ones, I can’t hope to get into this stuff here but the idea that the Muslim has a special privilege that no one has is myth. It is true in one area not in every other and it is balanced out by other kinds of privileges others have. For instance in many situations the Constitution gives undue deference to panchayat structures and so forth which then are the vessels through which the most repressive traditions are promulgated. There are many such examples. And there are comparable examples even in the West. Again the problem is precisely that myth can occur the value of truth over time. It is incumbent on one to actually read about this stuff and not just further the mythology. But yeah otherwise there are plenty of Republicans in the US who claim it’s disadvantageous to be a Christian in the US! These myths are operative in every democracy. Yes these are largely liberal democracies but if anything the Right has been resurgent over the past 20 years in all of these places. And everywhere they have a version of ‘oh the minority is having too much fun at our [majority] expense’! Anyway have to go now but really it’s disappointing to see such myths being propagated in sentence after sentence. There is to put it bluntly a problem of ‘knowledge’ here.
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May 18, 2014 at 6:19 PM
Respect
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May 19, 2014 at 8:40 AM
Ram Guha : An Eminent distorian who has no answers when he is encountered with FACTS. Read others who have shredded him with facts and he has no answer. He in his own words is Nehru Slave and Commie.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:52 AM
It actually reveals your lack of literacy to be brutally honest when you attack someone of the eminence of Ram Guha on the basis of journalistic rags or similar stuff online. One can of course disagree with him but the disagreement has to come from a position of knowledge. The is the Wendy Doniger analogy. Someone who has a summa cum laude in Sanskrit from Harvard is attacked by a right-wing freak show for not having enough knowledge of Sanskrit. Give me a break!
One can have all sorts of opinions but a certain literacy is required before one can be taken seriously. Of course one can live in an echo chamber where one invents facts and what not. Nothing new here. There are such freak shows all over the world in various contexts from the Islamists running around all over the place to Christian fundamentalists to the various nationalisms to science-deniers (global warming etc) and so forth. This isn’t even about being on the right or the left. It is about being so in completely stupid ways. And even saying this is to dignify what goes on.
When someone attacks Ram Guha for not knowing his stuff one knows one has to move on. This will be my last word on this topic with you today. As I said the other day it’s funny how people attack Harvard or Oxford scholars or what have you and then are desperate to send their children to the same the first chance they get. They’re not exactly tripping over each other to send their kids to Varanasi or something! So yeah let’s keep filling the BJP coffers from abroad, let’s keep abusing the likes of Wendy Doniger but hey please let us study at Harvard or Cambridge!
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May 18, 2014 at 5:28 PM
“Of course the irony is that many Indians who support Modi or many Islamist-types or whatever suddenly demand the fullest freedoms and liberals guarantees in the West and are the most indignant when they detect the slightest bias in any sense. You can’t be one thing when you have the comfort of being in a majority back home and another thing when you’re in a minority. And the argument always is that the situations are different. Yeah right!”
Comment of the day, Satyam! 🙂
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May 19, 2014 at 8:21 AM
” demand the fullest freedoms and liberals guarantees in the West and are the most indignant when they detect the slightest bias in any sense.”
I continue to see Ganesha on potty seats, Brahma on shoes and Lakshmi on flip-flops. Hindus are most tolerant, quiet and accommodating people (the only other group who is like us are people from Thailand) who do their work quietly with head down and don’t make big deal. Our kids, Ami, HAVE to participate in lot of x-mas stuff at schools and nary a mention of Hindu festivals apart from the pressure to accept J.C. on a daily basis from schools and churches. Where as the minorities in India have lot of power/rights in India over the majority.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM
Di
Would you rather me a minority in day ?
Please at least list all these exclusive & lust worthy POWERS that the minorities posses ?
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May 19, 2014 at 9:12 AM
“I continue to see Ganesha on potty seats, Brahma on shoes and Lakshmi on flip-flops”
Christianity is mocked far more widely in popular culture in the West, be it in films (Chocolat), musicals (Book of Mormon) or scathing media comment and satire (every liberal outlet in the West) and symbols such as the cross are presented in all kinds of utterly irreverant contexts. Similarly, Buddha has been appropriated by popular culture the world over in all sorts of situations (ex: Buddha Bar, drug use).
These are MUCH more widespread than Ganesha on potty seats and Lakshmi on flip-flops which are very niche items and hardly a mainstay of popular culture (Indian mythological figures are represented increasingly in the West, but mostly in innocuous contexts such as t-shirt graphics etc). The US has immigrants from innumerable cultures and the festivals of every minority cannot be celebrated on such a large scale, especially when Hindus are not even one of the largest immigrant groups. But on the other hand, in the UK, Hindus form one of the largest immigrant groups and festivals such as Holi and Diwali are very high-profile and celebrated at several schools and universities.
It is only a fringe of one religion, Islam that protests against such representations, and now a fringe of Hindus are seeking to imitate them by protesting against and pulping every perceived ‘threat’ to Hinduism. (The very idea that a religion that has survived several thousands of years could be ‘threatened’ or ‘hurt’ by one pop starlet donning a Bindi or one swimsuit which features an Indian goddess is patently absurd!)
And why do you have a problem with schools celebrating Christmas in the USA, if you feel that minorities in India should accept the Hindu roots of the society/culture?!
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May 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM
Ami, you are chosing to read my comment but not see that I was responding to you, what you stated in your previous statement. Read my comment in context, please and not independently and start a *new* debate 🙂
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May 19, 2014 at 9:23 AM
Bandra:
You do not understand. India gives minorities too much power. The laws are too pro-muslim, pro-reservation, pro-women and they are far too many welfare schemes to benefit the poor. Who wants to live in Scandinavia or Singapore when you can instead be a poor Indian Muslim man with four families to feed? Or a poor, lower-caste Indian woman who can benefit from every kind of reservation possible?
P.S. Statistically, a Hindu man is more likely than an Indian Muslim to have more than one wife, but let’s just ignore that and imagine the enviable life of Indian Muslim men, each of whom have a personal harem sponsored by the Congress; it’s amusing to note exactly how much of NYKavi’s criticism centres around this! 😛
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May 19, 2014 at 9:30 AM
P.P.S: I’m obviously not excusing the polygamy law. I strongly think that there should be a uniform civil code (that is not based on any religous mandate) and that polygamy should be banned for all religions. But legal privileges do not necessarily translate into real-world privileges!
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May 19, 2014 at 9:52 AM
I too will say that a secular democracy should not have special privileges for anyone. It’s not one-sided the way the Right pretends it is but nonetheless there shouldn’t be anything of the sort all round. Having said that given the mammoth challenges the framers faced at the time in every sense imaginable some of these ‘compromises’ at various levels seem understandable though I think there should have been a sunset clause of some kind and certainly today all of these should be retired. Except for those dealing with caste or social laws that impact caste issues and so on. Or similarly completely disadvantaged groups on many situations. No Muslim is disadvantaged by not being allowed polygamy! Not that many engage in it anyway. But the problem is that the moment you try to keep certain things in place for caste disadvantages or women in rural communities or whatever the Muslim politicians raise a stink and the whole process is derailed.
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May 19, 2014 at 9:52 AM
off for the day.. and perhaps just as well!
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May 19, 2014 at 9:59 AM
I totally agree with your above comments. A sunset clause should be applied now. Also, one cannot end caste or social laws, unless universal upliftment has been achieved, which we are very very far away from.
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May 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM
“P.S. Statistically, a Hindu man is more likely than an Indian Muslim to have more than one wife”
And that would be legal?? Rather, Hindus go through a sham conversion to Islam just so that they could engage in polygamy. Why even let this happen? What about women’s rights, those just get pushed under the rug for minority appeasement? I mean, you can’t have it both ways can you?
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May 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM
Dharmendra is a great fan of the Muslim polygamy laws! For those who don’t know what I’m referring to he became Muslim for a day to marry Hema Malini!
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May 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM
I said in the next comment that I’m very strongly against polygamy and want a uniform civil code for all religions! 🙂 I do NOT think it should be legal. I only mentioned that to point out that just because the constitution grants completely unfair privileges to some, it does not translate into real world benefits. This is for those who think that Hindus are being oppressed by Muslims because of the polygamy laws.
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May 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM
” This is for those who think that Hindus are being oppressed by Muslims because of the polygamy laws”
Au Contraire, this shud be an example negating the thinking of those who think Muslims are being repressed and prevented from practice of their religion!
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May 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM
Ami – A hindu voter would be jealous of Muslim neighbor who has more options 😉
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May 19, 2014 at 11:59 AM
NyKavi
I am tired of this fake “Polygamy” preferential crisis. Even in KSA, the percentage of men with multiple wives is decking. Forget India, even in KSA it is hard for an average family to make its end meet.
Hence it is not a norm but more or less an aberration. Focusing on this is merely a diversion. There far bigger and important issues to address. Why waste time and energy on an issue which is so trivial.
If Moslems want it, let them have it. If Hindus also want (for sake of equality) then let them also have it. One way or the other, our busy & expensive lives today has already made this practice rare.
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May 19, 2014 at 12:09 PM
NYKavi: Like I said, there is a difference between a legal prescription and ground realities and this statistic illustrates it perfectly. Legally, Muslims might be more ‘privileged’ in that they are allowed polygamy, but in reality it is Hindus who practise it at a higher rate. So IMO bringing up these legal allowances alone is little proof of the alleged special privileges that Muslims enjoy.
Munna: LOL!
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May 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM
Ami
Also one should attempt to solve something which is solvable. There is no way one can prevent this, I.e. Bring it to a dead halt.
Hence given the fact this is statistically an insignificant issue and that it cannot be completely controlled, let’s move on to issues that are rampant, and that can be managed.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:24 AM
Muslims of Gujarat got so much airtime but not a mention of exiled in their own country Pandits, by media. So even though India is country where majority are Hindus, we are still persecuted lot in our own country! NaMo bent backwards rehabilitating the muslims and still had to suffer the congress backed media scrutiny day and night.
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May 18, 2014 at 8:11 PM
Btw, these new post-election Aaj Tak So Sorry cartoons are total gems:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/narendra-modi-rahul-gandhi-congress-sonia-gandhi-lo-sabha-elections-2014/1/362159.html
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May 18, 2014 at 8:16 PM
And this one:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/main-toh-pm-baan-gaya-narendra-modi-victory-song-lok-sabha-polls-2014-result/1/362141.html
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May 18, 2014 at 10:12 PM
Obama can skip visiting religious places of all hues and visit the beautiful Taj Mahal and pay tributes to eternal love. If Modi grants him a visa.
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May 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM
I just want to ask a question to those hindus who are supporting modi. Do they want to support hindutva of RSS or modi in his new avatar as a secular head who wont upset the present running set up?
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May 19, 2014 at 3:03 AM
Do you think people (average/majority) care for Ram Temple? People want bread, water, electricity, house and opportunities to grow. They may be swayed at times but not repeatedly. How many times BJP asked votes in name of Ram temple and how many times it got? And you have the answer. The current vote is for development if people think otherwise it is at their own peril. They (NDA) may mix development with some amount of Temple and other things (to satisfy core supporters) but I think Development should be the goal otherwise they may get booted out like Congress has been in this elections.
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May 19, 2014 at 3:50 AM
More than development, inflation should be controlled and the previous government fell due to inflation, petrol/diesel price revisions and not due to lack of development. Development was held to ransom because of CAG reports about imaginary losses, court judgments and fear of CBI inquiries in every project, BJP boycotting the parliament almost continuously, Anna Hazare movement, Kejriwal attacks. Inspite of that UPA 2 did not stop development along with social welfare measures.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:02 AM
I’d agree with all of this…
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May 19, 2014 at 7:10 AM
One can interpret the election result in different ways. Vote for development, vote for a strong charismatic person like modi, vote for anti secularism, vote for anti congress, vote for change.
My personal opinion is it is vote for a strong charismatic person, a superhero who will solve all problems as quickly as possible.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:56 AM
That element is certainly there. Because even when one votes for development or progress these are still abstract ideas. They have to be crystallized in a politician’s persona or platform and so forth. Even when there’s a strong anti-incumbency wave and the ‘anything but the present govt’ syndrome there still has to be a credible alternative or someone/something that appeals enough to constitute a wave and not just a regular change election.
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May 19, 2014 at 11:36 AM
That is true but Congress has been run like this, So is AAP, so is any regional party. We voters are attracted to one personality. But it is also true in field of sports, don’t we revere our Sachin, Dhoni rather than the team? Or SRK or Salman takes the credit of movie when it is a team effort?
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May 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM
Very much true but please remove Dhoni from that list. He is very much a team man and his USP till now has been team wins against accumulating records.
On a different note I am also happy Modi has effectively driven us closer to US presidential form of elections where personality sets the agenda for the term. Very soon the core will stick to their party and it’s the independent /reasonable voter that will swing the poll results.
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May 19, 2014 at 12:29 PM
You just emphasized my point. The personalities may or may not want such adulation but public put them on pedestal.
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May 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM
“Do they want to support hindutva of RSS or modi in his new avatar as a secular head who wont upset the present running set up?”
You in India deserve a “rob”ert vadra, colonial-mafia govt who rapes and loots y’all on daily basis instead of a modi who is sadhu like!
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May 19, 2014 at 12:42 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/BJPs-31-lowest-vote-share-of-any-party-to-win-majority/articleshow/35315930.cms
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May 19, 2014 at 8:50 AM
This is such a misleading statistic. They had no presence in the South, East and North-East. One cannot just average it out nationally. Check their voteshares in the west and north.
They will soon make inroads into Bengal and Odisha, even in Kerala. Just wait and watch.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:54 AM
The RSS has one of the most developed apparatuses in Kerala. Wonder when they will open an account there! As for the rest you won’t be the first person to be disappointed by this ‘march of history’ that you think heads in only one direction! One day you’ll be embarrassed to even admit to this stuff in front of your kids and grandkids. I kid you not!
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May 19, 2014 at 10:05 AM
Not to take anything away from Modi/ BJP landslide victory, but the background is bit more cluttered than a clinical sweep which seems on paper. Apart from the vote share percentage and timely vote divisions due to prominence of AAP, once we go through the elected list of MPs, there are a bunch of criminals sitting there esp. in UP/Bihar where a lot of chor uchakas rode on the anti incumbency and Modi wave.
Firstly the party should thank AAP which did most of the dirty work in exposing Congress and the big anti corruption uprising among the commoners. Then there was the absolute silence of Manmohan Singh which Kamal Nath rightly said hurt them a lot. From an educated point of view and not jingoistic sloganeering one has to appreciate all the work Manmohan and Montek did for the Indian economy in the last 10 years and steered India through few tough global times. Though the guys is not a regular politician but in this day and age where u talk more and do less he was a misfit for political calculations as far as congress is concerned. Lastly how can one ignore Rahul Gandhi – the single most reason most including me are happy we have an alternative. Even if we let go all the comical satirist approach to his politicking how could anyone take him seriously. He was given a decent mandate in 2009 and the guy did not even take a single position, not a single responsibility in the govt or to do something to serve the people who elected his party. Now either he was holidaying this whole period and ignorant or simply preparing for his exit with the loot taking cut in all the govt deals and building his Swiss account which Manmohan could not stop him.
So this victory is part served on a platter to Modi with just 6/7 months of heavy duty electioneering where all seems to have fallen in place. His real test is governance for next 5 years and how he curbs the ‘chor Indian mentality’ residing in all fields at the moment. But either way he is the most suited man for the post at the moment for India and this change was much needed. His strong personality has power to galvanize the liberals/ secular brigade as meaningful watchdogs and should also serve as wake up call to the minorities to work harder for their rights and not be used simply as vote bank.
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May 19, 2014 at 4:15 AM
BJP government to encourage films that promote ‘Indian cultural values’
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/bjp-government-to-encourage-films-that-promote-indian-cultural-values/472793-8-66.html
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May 19, 2014 at 4:21 AM
What is the exact meaning of this statement?
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May 19, 2014 at 6:03 AM
That the government wants a return to the good old 90’s and films like DDLJ and KKHH and K3G. Thanks a lot Modi voters!
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May 19, 2014 at 7:06 AM
Not to forget HAHK, the mother of all with sanskari alok nath.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:26 AM
“A family that eats together, stays together”
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May 19, 2014 at 8:19 AM
“Millennia of incredibly injustice and one of the most extraordinary sequences of human servitude and abjection in history cannot unfortunately be set right by a few decades of reservations! Important as these policies have been in many ways and incredible as some of the political emancipation has been for these castes in a relatively short period of time you still need a lot more time. ”
Once again, I am not calling for an end to reservations. All I stated was that despite it, the creamy layers and emancipated dalits have not had their aspirational desires fulfilled. Mayawati and Yadavs have let them down, so they jumped to the BJP. A rising tide lifts all boats, if there is economic revival, prosperity will result. So lets just wait and watch. Now if the BJP is unable to kick start the economy, in 5 yrs time, those same voters will ditch it.
However, I do hope that the BJP gets sounds advise and does something to ensure a fair and enforceable minm wage to all Indians. If a floor is set under the economy, it will zoom up much faster than just going with a top-down purely capitalist approach.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:41 AM
NyKavi
You seem to seek a free reign for BJP over the next five years. Yet, it was BJP which for the past few years bought the government to a standstill. Yes there was corruption etc, but the resistance to any governance added to the lack of response to the day to day suffering of the common person. NOW should the opposition return the favor and do the same block & resist ?
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May 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM
Fortunately, the opposition cannot block anything because of the overwhelming mandate. They will deliver, as long as they remain steadfastly resolute.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM
Very good. Now the buck stops on Modi’s shoulder.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:52 AM
Absolutely! He himself asked for 60 months, and he got it. If he does not deliver, out he goes the next time.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:59 AM
NyNavi
In the next 60 months IF
1) Modi does not deliver on the economy
BUT
2) Delivers a re-run of the Gujarat Riot (but on a national scale)
Will you reelect him ?
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May 19, 2014 at 9:08 AM
Lol poor NYKavi. He is having to answer all these questions. I presume he is one of 600 million people who voted, but he is accountable now for Modi’s success now.
In the whole history of India and the future millions of years to come, this will represent a dot on the landscape! It’s hardly going to ruin the country or make it a superpower forever. It’s all ifs and buts.
Sounds to me like this was a home run election. A landslide victory nationally. The whole country will be accountable in the end.
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May 19, 2014 at 9:07 AM
First of all, there is no proof that he instigated the riots. He could not control them, and it is debatable as to whether he chose to ignore, or if he was even complicit. He has blamed his inexperience at that time, and the lethargic response of neighboring state police and army in coming to his aid.
However, now that he is PM and he has the full force of India’s security apparatus at his disposal, there can be no excuse if a riot does not get controlled asap. If another Gujarat happens under his watch, I would petition for the govt to be recalled before the 60 months are up.
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May 19, 2014 at 9:45 AM
LOL, the old ‘proof’ argument. Not sure how much ‘proof’ there ever exists in any such situation in the legalistic sense of the word. There is no document bearing Hitler’s signature ordering the Holocaust. He might not have been responsible!
As for ‘inexperienced’ Modi I thought his whole calling card was super-competent administration? What happened here? but never mind at least he built the highways. We can excuse him a riot or two, a pogrom or two. Suddenly Gujarat’s security forces weren’t enough.. hmm..
But he deserves a second chance. It’s a strange world where riots/pogroms (enabled or incompetently managed) earn one second chances more easily than ruining a multiplex development project! I can’t say I;m surprised!
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May 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Satyam, get your timeline right. He was CM for barely 4-5 months when the riots happened. He was placed as a CM just because of political fights between existing BJP stalwarts in the state, and in fact he would have been a placeholder until those conflicts ended. No one talks about the disproportionate role of Togadia/Sighal and the VHP/Bajrang fringe in these riots. In a perverse twist, the riots and polarization helped him win the 2002 State elections. But past that, he fell out with the same uncontrollable fringe elements which fanned the riots, precisely because he did not want another re-run. No one talks about the fact that by 2004-5 these guys were baying for Modi’s blood, and actively connived to pull him down in the 2007 elections. By then, he had totally sidelined these lunatics, because they kept posing roadblocks in his development mantra. He had more than 200 temples destroyed, just so he could widen highways and efficiently utilize land occupied by these illegal structures. Does any mainstream press talk about that? They will keep harping about Babri, but Modi has been the biggest destroyer of Hindu temples since Aurangzeb!!
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May 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Satyam :
To take your argument for argument sake
Yes one Pogrom to 100 pogroms by Congress Nehru Dynasty .
One pogrom where 300 preperators were killed by army bullets vs Not a single bullet fired.
One pogrom which was covered and investigated by SC vs 100 pogroms of Congress/ Dynasty with no investigation.
One pogrom where hundreds are convicted vs Dynsaty pogroms where not a single conviction.
One pogrom vs Congress pogrom in Neelie.
One pogrom vs Congress pogrom in Delhi sikhs
One pogrom vs Congress pogrom in Bhagalpur.
One pogrom vs congress dynasty pogrom in Ahmedabad
There is no comparison between one Pogrom vs 100 Congress dynasty pogroms.
This one pogrom is only one pogrom investigated by left wing cottage industry NGO’s, Media, Central govt for last 10 years with every instrument of state at disposable.
ps : Without googling you may be not even knowing longest running riot in India and who did it ?
Your entire comment is kiddish. Your own comment can tie you in knots but the you are most of time ignorant of facts and just revel in your own long words.
You speak like true extremist that what I think and believe is Truth and not facts and if facts say otherwise I put them in garbage. Only my delusion is the True reality..
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May 19, 2014 at 8:45 AM
“Development was held to ransom because of CAG reports about imaginary losses, court judgments and fear of CBI inquiries in every project, BJP boycotting the parliament almost continuously, Anna Hazare movement, Kejriwal attacks.”
Oh cmon Sanjana. Now you blame everything under the sun except for the Cong’s own scams?? How blind can one be to the monstrosity of corruption under that regime? They had a good mandate, they couldve achieved 90% of urgent reforms without legislation. Instead they chose to pander and plunder. A national party just does not end up with less than 50 seats, unless there was extreme bitterness on the ground.
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May 19, 2014 at 8:54 AM
And seriously, for everyone who thinks that Modi managed the media well to ensure his victory. That just sounds like all the anti-Aamir fans who blame his marketing for his stupendous success!!
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May 19, 2014 at 8:58 AM
I wouldn’t put it as reductively but both things are true. He certainly used the media successfully. I’d agree though that it’s never just the media.
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May 19, 2014 at 9:19 AM
I am not blind to Congress’s faults like Vadra factor, Rahul’s lacklustre leadership, Sonia Gandhi’s not interacting with media, the enigma called MMsingh and their silence about 1984 and not taking timely action against the corrupt, their arrogance.
They gave something to the public and they took away more than that by wild capilatalist friendly moves like privatisation and price determination for petrol products. I was disappointed with Priyanka Gandhi. For her only her husband and her family matters. She is not like Indira Gandhi who she resembles .Indira Gandhi also loved her family but she also fought for the country and her party. Sonia gandhi might have been an asset for the party because of her connection to nehru family but she is also a liability due to her not able to connect effectively on her own.
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May 19, 2014 at 9:01 AM
Here is an opinion from the respected Arun Shourie:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/interviews/narendra-modi-good-at-taking-quick-decisions-says-arun-shourie/articleshow/35317089.cms
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May 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM
great interview , thanks for sharing…
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May 19, 2014 at 9:35 AM
Why was my comment on ’eminent distorian’ Nehru Slave Ram Guha deleted?
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May 19, 2014 at 9:48 AM
Nothing was deleted. I didn’t find anything in spam either. But given your characterization here even wordpress has better taste I suppose!
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May 19, 2014 at 9:57 AM
It show local illiberalism and extremism of SS has precedence over wordpress. Yes Truth is bitter pill to swallow and it hurts.
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May 19, 2014 at 2:19 PM
The hindus have been trampled upon for 1000s of years, so you can’t really blame them for having identity crisis, shame and deep inferiority complex, you will see sample of them here on SS and elsewhere. As for desi English language media, they need a CPR or defibrillation for the cardiac arrest they are experiencing.
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May 19, 2014 at 2:36 PM
Di
Another myth to propagate divisions and hate.
The west empowered its women and gained .
Next the west empowered its minorities and gained too.
Today in the west they look for more & more disenfranchised groups to empower, because they see the benefit to the nation in doing so.
Unfortunately in India we divide, peddle hate, & suppress (while calling it appeasement) and then wonder why we have so many problems.
No Modi, nobody can do anything till we first leave behind hate and prejudice. Hence I am looking fir a leader who will unite us. Tell us to forget the past and focus on the future
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May 19, 2014 at 3:01 PM
Bandra :
You Quote lot about West.
West doesn’t sweep under carpet Holocaust or Slavery but teach their young and future genearations about them and also that present generation is not responsible for their sins.
In India due to Nehru planting left historians even Aurangzeb is secular… Mughals were great and they killed none…. Its this nonsense peddled by left wing historians is countered with evidences they instead of refuting evidence indulge in character assassination.
Just one example and there are thousands like I did on riot history….
Rest Indians are united by Modi. We know there are fringe elements and we also know who they are and why they are fringe…
Most divisive party ever there is in India, Its Nehru Congress. Identity politics is great gift of Nehru like his many sins and crimes… As someone righty said Dynasty opportunistically feeds divisive politics..
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May 19, 2014 at 3:28 PM
Bliss
There you go again. Moghals were horrible, everyone was horrible, except your personal Idols.
No one did any good for India, except of course your personal idols 🙂
Say even if that is true, does it help to fester hate ?
Nothing will matter unless India moves forward with all it’s strength united. Divisions held us back as much as corruption has held us back. We just saw the backlash against corruption, when will we see THE BACKLASH against division.
As I said, I am waiting for that leader who can convince us all that our success lies in our unity. A leader who finds a way to reach out and touch everyone.
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May 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM
Re.-Nothing will matter unless India moves forward with all it’s strength united. Divisions held us back as much as corruption has held us back.
arrey bhai toh move forward Na?
2002-2002 kee rutt aaap jaisey logon ney laga rakhi hai, lekin jab Auranzeb and Akbar kee baat karo toh move forward !!
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May 19, 2014 at 3:33 PM
Bandra : There you go again on ranting when no answers 🙂 It happens, Facts or queries which have no answers or answer that breaks the common peddled narrative makes life miserable.
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May 19, 2014 at 3:40 PM
Rocky : There Education, GK, IQ and History begins and stops at Guj 2002 28th Feb, not even one day before because Train carnage is Myth by CoR followers…
Who peddles hate and who are talking. Those who think of Holocaust, Hitler, Fascism even before they think of Modi… In last 12 years who peddled hate?
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May 19, 2014 at 3:43 PM
Totally agree Bliss, and that is why with the exception of Satyam ( because I have seen him go after the other side with equal force) , I usually do NOT engage with these people….
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May 19, 2014 at 3:49 PM
And the Anari is trying to be the combination of Jha and Yogi Yadav…….
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May 19, 2014 at 3:55 PM
Di, IMO it is counter-productive to be affected by the last 1000 yrs of Indian history. Its not like Hindu Kings were doyens of peace, or practitioners of Raj-Dharma, neither were their kingdoms any semblance of Ram-Rajya. Had they been so exalted and ethical, they would not have let the Caste Sytem eat away at the foundations of society. Had they been selfless, they would have all been united, and they would have stopped the Islamic invasion at their doorstep. But clearly, thats now how the script got written. So, it is useless to argue about pre-independence history.
Similarly, at present, it is useless to argue about 2002. Clearly, a democratic process has elected Modi with a thumping win. We just have to accept and move on, and sincerely hope that he indeed does good for the nation. If he does not, he will be kicked out in 2019. Simple.
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May 19, 2014 at 3:57 PM
Omrocky786
It has been said by scholars that Jesus of faith was far more charismatic than Jesus of history. Facts cannot ever compete against fiction.
Hence in your contrived fictional history, Akbar was evil. It helps you to think that because that justifies your current hate. BUT historians (third party) look at India during Akbar’s watch and find no poverty. The British have written that they could not identify one product that they could sell to India (during Akbar’s watch), that was superior or cost less.
But as I said, you just want to stir the pot of animosity. You keep on slinging fake history to keep the divisions going.
Remember India just threw out the corrupt and this tells us that it has the strength to throw out the divisive also.
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May 19, 2014 at 3:59 PM
My simple question has always been: Why is it that a Christian Europe managed to stop Islamic invasion from entering Europe, but a Hindu India did not? The answer lies in what the religions did to their people. Whereas Christianity had unified their local populations, Hinduism had not.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:37 PM
Christianity did not stop Islam actually. The Arabs were in Spain for centuries. They were in complete control of the Iberian peninsula. They were constantly threatening French territories and so on. Later the Ottomans were in Europe for centuries or at least too close for comfort. They of course controlled large swathes of Eastern Europe. The idea that empires stop other empires on the basic of religion is the worst kind of myth though one propagated by British colonialism and internalized by Hindu reformist forces even as early as the 19th century. There was for instance the idea that monotheisms are more successful, they have a central text and so on. Hence the effort by Hindutva to make the Ramayana the central text and so forth.
There is this subversive thing about history, provided one is really in search of the facts and not mythology. No matter what ‘essentialism’ you support history will deconstruct it. I will right now throw out this challenge to anyone who cares to take it up. Throw out an essentialism based on nation or ethnicity or race or religion or geography or whatever and I will proceed to deconstruct it. Again this is only for those who are willing to follow the historical record and not simply interested in versions to further their anecdotal sense of reality or to serve various mythologies.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM
on this note I noticed earlier Di’s comment that the Hindus have been trampled on for thousands of years. Not that Di is ever anywhere close to the facts in most matters but only someone who knows nothing about Indian history could have said something like this. It is utter nonsense.
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May 19, 2014 at 4:00 PM
LOL, so to defend Akbar, bring up development ( and forget all the atyachaars on Hindus by Akbar),, but to discredit Modi-forget development bring up ( fake charges of ) 2002.
Lage Raho bhai….kya logic hai !!!!!!!!
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May 19, 2014 at 4:08 PM
Bandara – I have been taught to offer a Salaam to a Masjid everytime I pass one, even today I do that commuting to and from work.
I am not one of those who refuse to say Vande Matram and Bharat Mata kee Jai !! ( I am pretty sure , yopu will have a hard time saying that )
so go and preach your hatred to someone else !!
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May 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM
NyKavi
It is one thing to make up history, but now you are making up the present also ?
Turkey straddles Europe and Asia. It is THE muscle of NATO.
Bosnia is smack in Europe
Albania again smack in Europe.
This is not about religion. It us about efficiency on one hand and compassion on the other. The system that is most efficient and most compassion is adopted. The system that is not gets rejected.
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May 19, 2014 at 4:39 PM
Bandra, NATO was not formed in 800AD! I am referring to Islam trying to enter Europe back then. Not sure how you think I made up history or the present.
As for efficiency and compassion, clearly, every Muslim ruler co-opted the positives of the Indian populace. If 1000 yrs of Muslim Rule could not totally annihilate Hinduism, surely there were positive aspects that even the great Mughals found attractive. They even adopted several Hindu Royal traditions. They too revered the Ganges, as much as only drinking the pure water of the Ganga, due to its exalted status amongst their subjects. The simple fact is that India with its size and diversity has always had an effect on its newcomers to co-opt rather than to destroy. That was the only way to govern this land.
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May 19, 2014 at 7:56 PM
This is another myth — that every Muslim ruler started out with the explicit mission of ‘annihilating’ Hinduism. In wars in those (and not only then) there was a lot of desecration of cultural monuments and so forth that were great tragedies for the people concerned. There were brutal conflicts in which all kinds of atrocities occurred. But there is nothing unique about what even the most extreme Muslim invaders did in India in a historical sense. I would like to reverse every such atrocity if I could but that is just the way of history. All cultures do it to various levels. In India itself Buddhism was more or less chased out of India. Ever wonder why in the land of Buddha there are such few Buddhists while there are so many in East Asia? Because there was at least four centuries of strife in India between Hindus and Buddhists before the former decisively won. I could talk about other histories here. From Dravidians to adivasis (who call the Hindus ‘diku’ or ‘outsider’ in many of their languages) the ‘Aryan’ Hindu is the first colonizer or at least the one who did this before the Muslims and the British. There is no ‘natural’ connection of Hinduism to Indian history. This too is a myth. Hindu presence in India has a history. Forget everything else. Within the very fabric of Hindu practices (which I hesitate to define as Hinduism inasmuch as this word too is a colonial invention) you have one of the worst oppressions of human recorded history in the treatment meted out to lower castes of all kinds. So how far and how sincerely do you want to follow history?!
Again it is very important not to judge the past by our present day standards. So for instance slavery was a terrible practice but it was also par for the course in different cultures at different points in time. Today too there are forms of near-slavery that exist. people in the future will wonder how we managed to support economic systems that depended on child labor and what not! What the Muslims did in India or what many of them did was fairly typical by historical standards. There were many worse examples of such behavior as well. It’s not right but historically typical the way many things in history are are typical at certain points in time.
Once again this is a question of ethics and sincerity. Does one have either one in equal measure to wish to pursue the truth. One can just chase the mythology but every culture does this or there are many people in every culture who follow this line of thought. This is the kind of thinking that leads to the desecration of the other’s heritage.
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May 19, 2014 at 4:39 PM
They completely, completely forget that there were NO riots in last 12 yrs in Gujarat. Riots in Gujarat were most common place, every yr, small riots occurred!! There was godhra and 2002, when poor thing had just come to power an d was a rookie in all ways. But not once there were riots or hate politics. You really need to listen to his speeches (though ino Gujarati); they are aweinspiring. He who is sadhu like, he who is sattvic, he whose ideals are Swami Vivekananda…really he is above lot of congress funded mud slinging that has been going on for last 10 + yrs. They tired everything but in the end jeet toh satya ki hi hoti hai. So ab acchey din aa gaye hai. If you like, you can relocate from Bandra to some other country like KRK.
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May 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM
Seems like someone would rather be a Bhagoda than say Vande Matram and Bharat Mata kee Jai !!
chalo koi naheen !!
P.S. – Keju avoided chanting Vande Matram in Muslim dominated areas…hot hai !! it is called good communalism !!
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May 19, 2014 at 6:25 PM
**lot of typos** sorry
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May 19, 2014 at 9:51 PM
Satyam
Bravo
A message always awaits its messenger.
I did not have the heart to break the facts to our historically challenged friends. But I knew if destiny wills it, the message will find its way to the misguided.
If the myths that are being bandied around here were coming from some uneducated blokes, I would understand. But what is shocking is that these myths are being propagated by educated & successful humans. What is worse is that I suspect even after you have set the records straight, with facts from verifiable history, these guys will repeat the same myths again as if this discussion never ever took place.
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May 19, 2014 at 9:58 PM
NyKavi
You are making it appear as if I am tricking you into believing that “being nice and compassionate is a good thing”.
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May 20, 2014 at 7:28 AM
Satyam, nice try, you guys keep saying forget the past, but can’t seem to forget 2002, but do not want to remember Godhra. anyways this discussion is going nowhere , so I am done .
India First, Zor sey bolo- Vande Matram, Bharat Mata kee Jai !!!! Please , Please do not damage the Amar Jawan Jyoti Memorial !!
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May 20, 2014 at 7:58 AM
Omrocky786
As soon as facts get injected into the discussion, as soon as your “anecdotes” get ripped apart, you ….. RUN.
But you will come back again, on a later date, in a different thread, and repeat these discredited myths again.
I don’t think you want to get to the truth. I think you just desire to keep the fire of hate & division burning inspite of the truth. But you know what, more and more people now GET IT . This time they focused on eradicating corruption, next time these very people will focus on eradicating those that divide Indians.
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May 20, 2014 at 8:06 AM
Bandra- Pehley Zor sey Vandey Matram and Bharat Mata kee Jai bol, phir baat karenge !!!
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May 20, 2014 at 8:16 AM
Omrocky786
Slogans, slogans, slogans. No substance, just slogans. AND then of course find a quick exit to run away.
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May 20, 2014 at 8:40 AM
Bharat Mata kee jai is not a mere slogan, but people who don’t respect Bharat Mata will no understand. as for running away, you are the one who ran (bhagoda) yesterday, and came back only when Satyam replied for you !!
Since you have refused to Say Bharat Mata kee jai- No More responses to your rants !!
Lage raho History ko spin karney..I am off to a Client meeting !!
P.S.- History chodo yahan toh Soney kee baby doll Present ko bhee spin kar rahee hai…
Yeh EVM Lohe kee. Main Baby Doll Soney kee !!!LOL!!
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May 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM
Rocky and Di 🙂
When ISI funded Modi hater writes this 😀
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dileep-padgaonkar/india-election-impact_b_5348104.html
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May 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM
Another new convert #Shameless
I don’t mean to be wistful about the past and critical about the present. Indeed, I wish to say precisely the opposite. It is often forgotten that the great promise of socialism was not only that it would discipline inequality and end poverty but also that it would bring about India’s industrial transformation, just as it had in the Soviet Union. In the end, nothing of that sort happened. Socialism neither ended poverty nor did it bring about economic transformation. It only brought khadi, bicycles, bad roads, inadequate power, awful housing, terrible public buildings, wretched public transport, substandard industrial products, a bloated bureaucracy, social domination by a class speaking Oxbridge English, and political dominance by those who blindly believed in the state and profoundly distrusted private initiative and business.
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/2014-like-1952/99/
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May 19, 2014 at 1:11 PM
Ha Ha, so now all of a sudden Modi is the new Vajpayee and the RSS is the new Modi…
Pathetic….
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May 19, 2014 at 2:14 PM
Thinabothu ruchi adagadam enduku? When we start eating food, why should we ask about the taste?
We are going to taste modi rule. Why to make so many guesses and assumptions?
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May 19, 2014 at 2:18 PM
The electronic media is asking why gandhis should be still be bosses in the congress forgetting that the same Sonia made it possible for the congress to rule the country for 10 years. Successes and defeats are part of life and why so much panic?
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May 19, 2014 at 3:32 PM
Fitting reply to another Jholawala by R Jaganath !!
The only thing old and hackneyed is the idea that Modi is about to unleash a wave of Hindutva where Trishul-wielding militants will be Talibanising and terrorising India. Unfortunately, this is an idea that can be dispelled only over the tenure of Modi’s prime ministership. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Meanwhile, anyone, including Gopal Gandhi, is free to continue with his scare-mongering tactics
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-gopal-gandhis-open-letter-to-modi-is-wrong-headed-and-odious-1531867.html
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May 19, 2014 at 3:46 PM
There is no IQ difference between Gandhi progeny and Nehru Progeny. Both belong to base level. Just Nehru’s wielded immmense political power so they are praised, worshiped by sycophants
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May 19, 2014 at 5:34 PM
Did you guys see the new poster by congress…on Priyanka. Pathetic. Congress should try to focus on producing a hard working patriot like Modi instead.
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May 20, 2014 at 10:13 AM
I was really worried to see clamor for Rahul’s resignation. Thank God he is still there. He ( Dynasty) is biggest polling agent for Modi. Tiger vs lamb.
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May 19, 2014 at 6:49 PM
Kejriwal and the Big Bang Theory!
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/how-arvind-kejriwal-committed-political-suicide/articleshow/35269820.cms
Sure miss OldGold here. What has happened is exactly what had been predicted here on SS.
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May 20, 2014 at 5:48 AM
Fear not I’m right here. 😀
I was away on holiday.
Do you know how many seats BJP got in its first attempt in 1984? Only 2. So lets say AAP has done doubly well. No one really expected AAP to get a lot of seats but it gave the wonderful opportunity to spread out and have a base all over the country.
So now AAP has a cell in every state, and people are aware that there is such a party.
Kejriwal was able to get 2lakhs plus votes – all from scratch, with hardly any money and as far as I’m concerned a great achievement – inspite of all the bjp gundas intimidating the volunteers and not letting AK or anyone speak at jansabhas by shouting zombie-like ‘modi modi modi’ ughhhh!!!
But read my comments below.
The nation has a PM by EVM manipulation!!!
India is a proven BANANA REPUBLIC!!!
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May 20, 2014 at 5:59 AM
Articles of the type you have posted are talking of AK, but NOT of people (or EVM manipulation) .
People who have filled one third of the parliament with criminals by voting for them (if not EVM manipulated) – BJP itself has 98 criminals in there.
So people preferred a Yedurappa to … lets say… a decent well educated AAP candidate with a clean background.
The richest Parliament ever with every third member a criminal. Jai Hind!!!
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May 20, 2014 at 7:19 AM
Welcome back. Missed you.
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May 19, 2014 at 11:37 PM
Delhi has had many rape incidents, murders and a high criminal activity.
Basically a law and order issue.
If under Modi’s rule, if this city becomes safe for women and law abiding citizens, it will be a good achievement. The police under the new dispensation may become more accountable and less corrupt, hopefully.
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May 20, 2014 at 1:39 AM
Commie paper Editorial
http://www.theguardian.com/global/2014/may/18/india-narendra-modi-election-destiny?CMP=twt_gu
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May 20, 2014 at 5:18 AM
LOL!!!
Massive Modi? Really? With 31% of the total votes? That too by heavy EVM manipulation? Cheating.
I had a gut feeling this was the case when suddenly BJP started winning seats where there chances were less.
-Not only were the fb pages of bhakts full of how many times they voted but I have first hand information from my relatives whose household help happily informed them how she and her husband went to Agra to vote there “too” and many did that.
-Then there is the seal tag being found in Mumbai on the *hold your breath* – roadside.
-And this one takes the cake. A certain character in Varanasi, sitting at home with a set of EVMs a day before theVaranasi elections – 11th May. The timeline status then had several of hid supporters joking about it, and he declaring – iss baar Modi sarkar ko lana hi hai.
This was all over the twitter yesterday, and today he has taken it off. But it is now all over.
In case anyone thinks it is a photoshopped picture there is a forensic proof as well.
This cant be an isolated case. With media and everyone in their pockets no one will do anything. So there is a PM there wholly by cheating the nation.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=1526768912b36a5999d9d7bb7a23de3004c49c57.56849
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May 20, 2014 at 7:46 AM
ha ha ha OG – u have no idea how vaccum-tight are these EVMs – no one can manipulate…..but yeah like Shobhaa De if u are hell-bent on modi-bashing – nothing can work 🙂 Even shobhaa had to ack. Modi ……..http://shobhaade.blogspot.in/
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May 20, 2014 at 8:09 AM
Have you seen my links below?
You wouldn’t have said what you just did if you had.
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May 20, 2014 at 8:10 AM
..and the link above, of course. What explanation do you have for it.
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May 20, 2014 at 5:28 AM
Hindi lovers can find the news here.
http://hindi.kohram.in/question-mark-on-evms/http://hindi.kohram.in/question-mark-on-evms/
Gujarat had the highest number of NOTA votes.
Something is really really fishy.
Here are US scientists who could ‘hack’ into the EVMs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10123478
India has really become a banana republic.
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May 20, 2014 at 7:21 AM
The last sentence is too true.
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May 20, 2014 at 5:38 AM
There was also all that drama Modi did by unneccessarily challenging EC (when all the while they were in BJP pocket).
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May 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM
I think EVM “issues” may well explain the results. My heart, my mind refuses to accept that such a horrible person can be India’s PM.
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May 20, 2014 at 6:03 AM
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May 20, 2014 at 6:51 AM
LOL hilarious
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May 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM
LOL 😀
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May 20, 2014 at 7:30 AM
Dawood Ibrahim relocates on Narendra Modi’s appointment day: Report
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/dawood-ibrahim-relocates-narendra-modi-pm-abbottabad-sushil-kumar-shinde/1/362723.html
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May 20, 2014 at 7:49 AM
India ko Banana Republic sey wapas Republic Banana hai…..
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May 20, 2014 at 7:56 AM
This thread should be renamed
The massive meltdown of mumbling liberals. Some of the deluded posters make me laugh out loud!
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May 20, 2014 at 8:13 AM
The thread should be renamed –
EVM Manipulated PM!!!
Or what about – The lowest Majority PM Ever!!
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May 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM
Lowest Remorse PM ever
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May 20, 2014 at 10:15 AM
Ignorance is Ornament which few wear proudly all the times.
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May 20, 2014 at 10:18 AM
No party ever had a PM with such a low vote of 31%.
Are you ignorant of this fact?
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May 20, 2014 at 10:20 AM
When I wrote ‘majority’ I didn’t mean ‘seats’ (manipulated) I meant the votes. It’s not even anywhere near half. 68% people don’t want him.
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May 20, 2014 at 10:21 AM
What was Vote share of congress in 2004, 2009 ?
Let’s leave aside intellectual dishonesty for moment ?
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May 20, 2014 at 10:46 AM
Did congress get a Majority then?
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May 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM
Please answer with full intellectual honesty 😉
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May 20, 2014 at 10:56 AM
LOL! OldGold, please stop this ridiculous “68% did not vote for him” meme, this is a first-past-the-post system. The more parties that contest and divide the votes, the lower the winner’s voting percentage. Does this mean that in 2009, 63% did not vote for UPA, or in 2004, 66% did not vote for the UPA, or 63% did not votre for NDA in 1999, etc etc? Please, this is a juvenile comment, AAP needs to educate itself about how Indian democracy operates.
This election is a slap in the face to all the caste-based and appeasement parties. Every party was fighting for another slice of the pie which they could claim based on their caste or religious affiliation. The BJP just skimmed away the creamy layers from all these castes/sub-castes/religions. This was bound to happen. When they boxed the BJP to just run after upper-caste votes, they pulled a Mandal on the Mandalists. They fielded an OBC for the PM post. Now, neither the Yadavs nor Mayawati could fight the BJP with their anti-uppercaste propaganda. And your dear old AAP helped them mightily by splitting all the Muslim votes away from SP and Congress.
The North and North-West are fertile grounds for caste mashups. The BJP in-fact took a page from Mayawati’s book, she tried and suceeded in stitching a Dalit-Brahmin alliance in her 2007 victory. The BJP stitched a upper-caste/OBC/aspirationalDalit/aspirationalMuslim alliance. Those numbers were enough to pip everybody else. Unless India discards this Westminister model of democracy, any opportunist party will keep doing the same.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM
LOL!!
You could say that if it was a coalition. BJP has 282 seats (by manipulation).
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May 20, 2014 at 11:08 AM
Well OG, if you want to whole-heartedly accept incredulous conspiracies, just live with it. And keep shouting about it for the next 5 years. Only the AAP can spin such theories, and they have proved themselves to be unethical opportunists. Now they want to go back and form a govt in Delhi!! Another U-Turn my Mr Kejriwal.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM
So why did the Samajwadi Party get a majority in UP state in 2011 with only a 29% voteshare? Or the BSP in 2007 with a 30% voteshare?
Your arguments are silly.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:18 AM
So now we are comparing Modi wave with UP state in 2011 with only a 29% voteshare, or the BSP in 2007 with a 30% voteshare? Only in states too, not the whole country!!!
That’s exactly what I was pointing at.
This is NOT AAP conspiracy. The picture turns up, and every honest person would want to know what is this all about.
BUT there have been many many irregularities with no action just a fanatical race to make Modi PM by hook or crook with everyone in the paid pockets of BJP.
20 years from now wikileak might come up with the truth. Till then Jai Banana India Republic.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:19 AM
You do realize how pissed Congress is with AAP, precisely because it split out all their votebanks. In fact, with obvious obliviousness and ignorance, the AAP became the Team B of Modi.
BJP ne Congress ko Jhaadu lagaya hai. They chipped away Congress votes everywhere. Kejriwal could not get appreciation in the BJP votebanks, so he dived into and found support from the Cong votebanks. Seriously, an IITian making such an elementary mistake. And now he has forever tainted himself with his antics.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM
My Dear, the Lok Sabha elections in the North/North-West have played out exactly how the state elections get played out. In the Lok Sabha, the BJP got a 40+% voteshare in UP to land 73 (90%) seats. In the state elections, SP got a 55% majority in 2011 with 29% voteshare. Every 1% voteshare over 30% in UP results in ever more increasing seats. Go ask professional psephologists, they will tell you how it works.
This scenario has repeated in MP, Bihar, Raj, Guj, Delhi, HP, etc. It is a beauty of the first-past-the-post system. Every other party in the North competes for a base 20% voteshare, and tries to breakaway another 10% from the competitors. BJP broke away 20+% from Cong/SP/BSP/JDU etc. Thats the landslide.
Not these conspiracy theories you harp about.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM
I’m dealing in facts here. The fact of EVM manipulation. You come up with some kind of personal analysis of what happened.
Personally I think BJP will kill AAP.
That’s why India is a Banana Republic.
Honesty cannot survive.
Criminals are who actually go to Parliament. 98 of BJP!!!
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May 20, 2014 at 11:34 AM
More food for thought.
/large
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May 20, 2014 at 11:35 AM
Unfortunately, after his expected debacle these ham conspiracies are all that Mr Kejri can use to keep his flock together for the next 5 years.
Yeh democracy hai bhai, drishti sab ko naseeb hai, Aankhon dekhe andha hona hai to ho jaao, AAPko koi nahi rok sakta.
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May 20, 2014 at 12:21 PM
I repeat!!! BJP got ONLY 2 seats when they first fought for elections.
If left to function freely they will prosper.
But yes. BJP will kill AAP.
Andhbhakts will see a conspiracy of course. How can they say, yes, we tampered with EVMs. We wanted to finally have Modi as PM by hook or crook.
They don’t want any opposition of any kind.
The way they gained power and made Modi PM is a good example.
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May 20, 2014 at 1:45 PM
OG
Did BJP put FPTP system? And for your Information as per your logic Nehru was rejected by 60% of Indians when there was no Opposition. Runs made with No oppositions has dismal value in respect to runs made against competitive multi party opposition. Same 60 % rejected Indira also.
Now you know why I called you as intellectualy dishonset. It was good as long as your party was winning and like typical ‘liberal fundamentalist and extremist’ behavior, whine and cry the moment others win…
I empathise as I see all libtards have undergone ‘Psychological Implosion’ from 16th May 2014 😀
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May 20, 2014 at 1:51 PM
OG :
Do you know anything about EVM’s? or case put in SC by Swamy on EVM tampering?
And let us assume your moronic argument for time being?
EVM are controlled by CEC and central forces. And all 3 EC’s and ESP CEC Sampath is life long loyalist of Sonia. Read more on him. He was YSR stooge and how YSR put him in EC in last moment… Read more on it to get some enlightment.
Where BJP comes here??
And So I said, “Few wear Ignorance as ornament all the time’
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May 20, 2014 at 10:21 AM
So True. Looks like the Tea Partiers relocated to India with all their conspiracy theories. Obama stole the election! Namo too!
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May 20, 2014 at 10:45 AM
So what explanation can you give of a nobody sitting there with EVMs? Is it that easily accessible to anyone?
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May 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM
Here’s another picture.
/large
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May 20, 2014 at 11:06 AM
Oh Please!! Posting a picture from anywhere without a shred of evidence! You guys have gone nuts. Do you think that the mighty Congress would have allowed the opposition to walk away with EVMs? Do you realize how much security, para-military forces are tasked to protect the booths? Why does the election get scheduled in 7 phases? You guys are slipping past towards the fringe.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:12 AM
What evidence do you want?
Here’s a man sitting with EVMs and playing around with them. Posts it on his timeline on 11th May, His friends joke with him about it, and he says ‘iss baar Modi sarkar to banani hi hai’.
now if you look at the first link of this picture I gave you will see the forensic test done to prove it is not photoshopped.
OK I?ll give the link again.
http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=1526768912b36a5999d9d7bb7a23de3004c49c57.56849
He has removed these pictures from his timeline. I could give you the link which will tell you the page has been removed.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:14 AM
Ok, AAP shud go ahead and file an FIR. Please pursue legal options and prove it.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:28 AM
Hahaha.
In this banana Republic? So many complaints about irregularities were reported. What happened?
There is a seal tag found on the road in Mumbai of an EVM? What happened?
All are in BJP’s pocket!
They are a frightening lot. Hitler ki army hai BJP.
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May 20, 2014 at 8:02 AM
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/how-aap-ate-into-the-akali-vote/article6026130.ece?homepage=true
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May 20, 2014 at 8:04 AM
Make no mistake, the commies ( specially the Anaris and Soney kee baby dolls types ) in their heart hate Modi more than they love India..they would gladly accept India to lose just so they can have the satisfaction of Modi losing.
Lekin Insha Allah, In desh drohees ko Bharat Mata achcha sabal sikhayegee !!
Vande Matram !!!
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May 20, 2014 at 8:15 AM
The bhakts all over the net are chanting about “sabak sikhana”.
PM manipulate kiya hai yaan teacher?
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May 20, 2014 at 9:07 AM
Here few are saying fascism, Hitler but see what Congress govt did just now
Breaking : @India_MSM 39m
Breaking -per sources DMs were the main reason why MMS media team did not hand over Twitter handle to Modi Govt .its CONFIRMED
3000 DMs from PMO to News channels exchanged and all deleted before Modi tales over. They tried to delete handle also but twitter got it back as archive.
What’s is this ? Its like deleting files, evidences
Now you reset the PM’s official tweets file to zero. (like destroying files). and worse, you take it private.
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May 20, 2014 at 10:11 AM
Hahahahaha 😀
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/05/20/congresss-drubbing-spawns-a-new-word-for-drubbing-2/?mod=WSJBlog&mod=irt
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May 20, 2014 at 11:46 AM
HERE is an excellent link with all types of breakdown slicing/dicing of Lok Sabha election history. Doodh ka doodh, paani ka paani nazar aata hai.
http://www.firstpost.com/lok-sabha-election-2014/analytics.html?utm_source=fp_storypage
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May 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM
Just look at what happened in Delhi. Congress needed 55%+ voteshares in the last 2 elections to sweep. This time, BJP just needed 45% because AAP ended with 31% and split the Cong vote! So, did AAP not become the TeamB of BJP? Shud they even be complaining now? Kejri needs to learn the intricacies of Indian psephology.
http://www.firstpost.com/lok-sabha-election-2014/analytics.html?utm_source=fp_storypage
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May 20, 2014 at 12:25 PM
But BJP is always calling AAP the B team of congress. LOL.
Whatever happened was unintentional. AAP had no intention of helping BJP.
They want to help people to have a criminal free government. Transparent and accountable.
After spending Rs5000crores for putting a man in the PM chair BJP should be ashemed of themselves.
But they will call it politics.
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May 20, 2014 at 12:38 PM
The Dems spent $500M to elect Obama in 2012. Every democracy in the world functions similarly. We just got to get used to it.
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May 20, 2014 at 12:57 PM
Who can say India is a poor country?
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May 20, 2014 at 6:08 PM
What do you mean ‘every democracy’?
It’s only America among the developed world which spends so much. US is not a democracy in the real sense, and India is following in its footsteps.
BJP even had an American company (I think the same as Obama’s)to run his campaign. APCO or AMCO or something to market Modi the product.
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May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM
I said that every democracy functions similarly, ie, wild spending on elections. But, obviously since these 2 are the largest democracies, so their spend/candidate will be humongous. Name another democracy which is so big. The per capita spend for the US is the greatest. But the total amount is perhaps a small multiple of what it is in India, given the size of the voting public in India.
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May 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM
Can you hear yourself giving this poor joke as an excuse. Spending so much money no matter what the size is undemocratic.
Especially in a poor country. The amount is almost the budget of a small state.
The comfort of hopping around in choppers and other stuff compared to the hard work of individuals and the candidates shows the difference between moneyed game and real democracy. Of course money wins (and democracy dies).
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May 20, 2014 at 11:56 AM
The worthy but shifting debate
Some very good (& noble) points are being made, but in my opinion, there’s the usual ‘shift’ in the terms of debate
Firstly I’m NOT a BJP supporter and far from being a modi fan. Infact I feel Modi lacks the wherewithal, stature & maturity to lead a country of Indias complexity & size.
But the point here is that
Are we gonna deny that the voting public has voted decisively in his favour?
Are we gonna say we will respect or acknowledge the verdict only if it suits us?
Do we not have confidence in the maturity and ability of this voting populace to understand what’s affecting their own future?
Do we not have confidence that any ‘wrong’ done by these election results can’t be reversed?
Have these ‘wrong’ never happened before ?
Let’s be honest–why these sudden cries of ‘rape rape’ now?
Let’s have a sense of balance and if you have agreed to play the ‘democracy game’, atleast play it right till the culmination
Besides there are some points on the above discussion
1) some basic tenets are universal & non-negotiable
No (sane) person is denying that minority rights need protecting–I hope this is unanimous
And if there are hidden agendae, under the ever vigilant eyes of detractors and media, these shall be assessed and consequences will be there for modi (like any one else!)
2) Evidence based
Decisions should be made on evidence based practice
Not on perceptions or anecdotal reports
Can one deny modi has been given a clean chit by the courts ? While one understands the issues with this ‘clean chit’ but one can’t cry foul about it just because it doesn’t suits ones discourse
3) ‘Minority-ism’ over everything?
Ask a hungry family or an unemployed youngster or a suicidal famer or a cheated industrialist or a raped woman –what’s more important in life–
The ‘minority politics’ or the burning issue on their life? The answer is obvious.
So tinting the whole discourse with one aspect and staying relatively mum over all the rest (equally/more important) issues isn’t fair
4) ‘Excessive’ freedom
I have always felt that Indians enjoy too much freedom. Seen carefully, this enhanced freedom infact curtails their own rights since it allows another person to abuse his/her ‘rights’ impinging over those of others. Coupled with an ineffectual legal process, this is unhealthy. So a ‘temperation’ of this rights blitzkrieg is needed.
5) Dictatorial tendencies
I will go to the extent that a firm leader with a certain dictatorial elements is actually good for India currently. The democratic process is firmly entrenched in the Indian ethos and any abuse of this will surely be reined in soon.
Comparing Modi to Hitler is not only far-fetched but irresponsible at this juncture. Yes I don’t deny that it’s not an impossible extension of Modis persona but the chances are minuscule because of the numerous ‘correction’ measures in place.
6) Demographic Cycles
There are well-defined stages of ‘evolution’ of a new nation states & even new religions. Demographic and socio-cultural scientists have studied these and they are well-known.
7) ‘Genetic mixing’ (& the lack of it)
One sees a certain ‘anxiety’ and insecurity in the initial stages of every religion & nation state where there’s an extremism in adhering to certain ‘rules’. Slowly there’s a certain ‘liberalism’ perhaps due to easing of that ‘anxiety’. Also some ‘dilution’ due to factors like ‘mixing’ and genetic interplay.
8) Consanguinity
However due to some rules that prohibit this genetic mixing and even promotes ‘cousin marriages’, certain elements continue to be over expressed.
9) the Confounders
Things aren’t so easy and simple in real life
Many confounding factors muddy the waters not to make it more difficult for analysts but because life is not simple (fact!)
The biggest confounding factor is that different gripis of individuals behave differently in defeat & more importantly in victory
Some are gracious
Some follow protocols
Whilst others stamp their authority and force the issue while they can get away with the added ruthlessness
It’s this difference which lies at the basis of this inherent complexity which perplexes analysts
To add to it, history can be ‘rewritten’ and even altered by the ‘victors’.
10) The ‘left’ & ‘right’
We all know what’s the ‘left’ and the ‘right’
But what if I say that the ‘right’ of different nation states & religions itself is different
And not entirely comparable?
The answers of the above questions if sought (honestly) lead one to the next stage of this ‘debate’-
but the key word here is ‘honestly’
Ps: some good points by Amy, bandra nari & Oldgold. Btw Oldgold where did u go for ‘holidays’–do write a travelogue about your experiences …
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May 20, 2014 at 1:07 PM
Interesting discussion.
Interesting not because all arguments have merit. Actually, very few do. But, it is a window in the minds of people.
The extreme theories and clutching at straws to trivialise BJP victory is indeed pitiable.
I grant that Satyam and Ami have the most honest objection to Modi and BJP but even they are in danger of being in a situation where they are so enamoured of a ‘sexy’ ideology that everything else takes a back seat. Hard to take OG or Bandra seriosuly.
Just one point, I would like to make. The statistics that Ami refers to re polygamy are from 1961 and even they are misreperesented.
It is like a talking point taken from an Islamic blog.
More recent statistic from NFHS-3 ( FROM 2005-2006) showed that the average number of life partners for a Hindu male was 1.77 as opposed to 2.55 for a Muslim male. Not a big difference but it is their. I am not implying that all or most of Muslims are polygamous because they are not. It IS a fact that percentage of Muslim population has gone up FROM 9.9% TO 14.6% BETWEEN 1951 and 2011. The cultural differences in procreative practices cannot be denied. An average Muslim woman gives birth to 4.1 children as opposed to 2.9 for a Hindu woman. So, the demographics are changing. Which is not as problem as long as uslims are treated the same and they consider themselves Indian.
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May 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM
Rajenmaniar
Given your “appeasement of minorities” statement, or this imbecile hide behind statistic, it is hard to take you seriously either.
Look at thus way, at least I provide you with reasons why I cannot take you seriously, while you cannot substantiate.
Anyway let’s steal away your stats fig leaf. 1.77 Vs 2.55 LOL Given the huge difference in population, your own stats don’t even come close to accusing the Moslem for being most likely Indian to practice Polygamy.
Furthermore, there are records that say that back in 60s the Moslem made up close to 20% of the population. Since then all kind of numbers have been thrown around. Everyone has a view in this and why not. This is a sensitive issue. But given all the politics behind this number, it is not clear if this %age has gone up or down. Yet this does not matter to you. Facts don’t matter to you.
It is time to give up your Xenophobia. They us, you, me, we all are just one big family. Your dislike as usual is irrational.
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May 20, 2014 at 6:10 PM
Rajen: I got the statistics from a 2009 article that quotes a recent law commission report. I could be mistaken, but the intention certainly was not to deceive or misrepresent.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/stoi/Bigamy-An-issue-of-one-too-many/articleshow/5004493.cms
I do agree on the difference in number of children per woman, and I do think that this is a problem, not because of demographic changes but because of overpopulation, the poor having more children than they can afford to look after and the associated risks of malnutrition/ infant and mother mortality etc.
I do think that a two child policy would be an excellent thing for India, especially now that there is a strong central government that could potentially enforce it (one-child policy would be disastrous IMO, because India is a country where intensive elder care is the norm, and the sole care of four parents would be too great a burden for one couple, not to mention that the already highly skewed sex ratios would become positively dystopian).
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May 20, 2014 at 6:37 PM
Ami
The difference in births per women is very small. There are other factors that will have a bigger impact.
Vis a Vis population/demographics the issue to be very concerned is infant foeticide. That is a game changer.
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May 20, 2014 at 1:14 PM
Regardless, I think the challenge for Modi other than fulfilling his promise of growth and development is to be inclusive and win over
the ones whose confidence he does not enjoy. Easier said than done but he has to. If he wants to be in office for more than one term and remain relevant. In a country like India you cannot be a PM for just one community or religion. On the other hand, the other communities should be willing to keep an open mind instead of being stuck in age old mentality and not be influenced by the drivel spouted by some of their religious leaders. It is a two way street.
Onus is on Modi and BJP to make the first move.
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May 20, 2014 at 6:25 PM
Ranjenmaniar
Is the “Drivel Spouted” by Hindu Religious leaders any better ? Is the drivel on politics by any religious leader acceptable ? If not why just single out one religion ?
I am sorry in my previous response to you I accused you of Xenophobia. I am sorry because I do not want to feed your delusion. You are not the “Native” and the others are not “Aliens”. You have no special claims on India. Every community has equal claims. AND who ever has the biggest demographics will by default end up setting the agenda. Hence your efforts, given your paranoia about increasing minority population, should be to make the system so air tight that if you ever end up being the minority, you still will be OK.
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May 20, 2014 at 1:16 PM
BTW, one funny theory going around is that Google fixed the elections.
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May 20, 2014 at 1:44 PM
OG’s version would be: Google fixed the EVMs and Google was fixed by Amit Shah who apparently was fixed by Modi – so naturally we have a “fix”ed PM 😉
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May 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM
I don’t expect you to accept that there does seem to be a big EVM tampering scandal.
But no matter – everyone has been bought over by BJP.
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May 20, 2014 at 6:09 PM
The elections were ‘fixed’ . That’s it. Don’t make it sound cute.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:12 PM
I wish it was fixed earlier…60 yrs earlier. Then we wouldn’t have to put up with colonial rule after independance and rubber stamp PMs, swiss bank a/cs, rampant corruption, rulers who couldn’t speak proper hindi (from Rajeev, sonia to rahul)..etc..etc.
Here is someone who was son of a Maid and not educated abroad or living in ivory tower..why so much objection for poor people coming up in life, oG? He is one of us. You should cheer for him.
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May 21, 2014 at 7:15 AM
Lets see how soon Modi brings back money. What did he say? Till mid October this year?
Rampant corrution – Modi not included? wah wah
Rulers who couldn’t speak proper hindi – I agree.
Son of a maid? I thought a chaiwala!
But lets face the truth – he did not become PM from being son of a maid – It was THROUGH JOINING RSS!!! Rs5000crores have been spent to put him in that chair. Maid’s son? LOL!!
He left home in his early teens AND WAS NOT POOR!!!
HE WAS A MILITANT!!
It’s a militant PM. Not a poor man PM.
This selling of Modi like some product has got to stop. The nation has been cheated and lets stop there.
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May 20, 2014 at 1:46 PM
The thread is becoming too long.
Can have the next thread with some name like The New Government where cabinet posts and policies can be discussed.
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May 20, 2014 at 2:13 PM
Narendra Modi’s victory in the general election has left more than the Congress party confounded. The one class that still finds its compass revolving wildly is that of New Delhi’s cloistered “intellectuals”—journalists, members of the commentariat and, of course, the TV anchors who spent the last year repeating tirelessly that Modi could not win.
It applies to few here also 😀
http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/dNShxc6zqMvTGOcXilE4kO/Delhis-opiated-intellectuals.html
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May 20, 2014 at 3:38 PM
lol. Tavleen Singh said as much (that non of the delhi journos were ready to believe her a year ago abt modi wave in India; proves that intellectuals are indeed kaid in their ivory towers.) On the other hand, shouldn’t the ‘commies’ cheer for NaMo? He who is poor, son of a maid, from so called backward caste, etc. I think the commies are just rebels without a cause.
P.S. did you see the latest funny doodle on newslaundy?
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May 20, 2014 at 6:15 PM
WHAT???!!!
For over a year TV channels have been building up the Modi wave and the Gujarat development model.
They have handled him with such care.
In which world are you?
For hours they showed his rallies, speeches, the party song, and much more.
What more do you want?
The word ‘wave’ itself was spread around by TV channels and other form of media. How would we know about it otherwise?
Did they bring up any topic and questions that would bring out the lies about gujarat development?
The rony capitalism issues? And many more. No, all they did was get all humble and mai baap aap hi ka sahara hai, types.
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May 20, 2014 at 7:58 PM
Just came across this; “They said he cannot do it.”
http://centreright.in/2014/05/they-said-he-cannot-do-it/#.U3wVxvldUvk
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May 21, 2014 at 7:21 AM
LOL what site is this?
Get media coverage of the past one year!!!
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May 20, 2014 at 10:18 PM
bliss – u r right – but we have been used to this since last 13 yrs in Guj. – no one wants to ack. Modi’s good work – but then who cares??? It is like a BB movie – where critics pan the hero but the masses love him.
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May 20, 2014 at 10:56 PM
Idea
As has been pointed here, 60+% don’t “love” him. So the Bollywood comparison does not apply.
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May 20, 2014 at 11:07 PM
Somewhere Margaret Thatcher said, don’t love me, you have queen for that. The political leader is judged by deliverables; you don’t have to love them. He did wonders for kite industry (muslim dominated) in gujarat and will do the same for weavers of varanasi (also muslim dominated). Not sure why people still paint everything in communalism colors.
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May 20, 2014 at 2:27 PM
Read this to know how AAP has been big sham ( data, insights)
View at Medium.com
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May 20, 2014 at 2:52 PM
But they claim that they have opened offices in 430+ constituencies and gotten exposure as a result. Its like saying that “I have opened a pant-suit dukan besides the megamall in my city. Now all the people who go to the mall will come to me instead!”
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May 20, 2014 at 3:02 PM
Problem here is most here talk only theories which they believe is only reality and write thousand word junk bereft of any logic, evidence or facts… I think so its only Truth is common narrative here…
Facts make few people here uncomfortable and stupid but thn Hubris has no cure
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May 20, 2014 at 6:20 PM
LOL!!
Whatever the situation you can’t stop discussing, anylysing, and pushing AAP down (thus indirectly adding that it isn’t down yet).
With all the money power and buying everyone, manipulating EVMs what do you expect?
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May 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM
Oh Look! Two guys in chappals carrying away EVMs!!
http://www.samachar.com/Its-6month-safe-custody-for-EVMs-ofuwLlegdbb.html
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May 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM
http://www.samachar.com/Its-6month-safe-custody-for-EVMs-ofuwLlegdbb.html
Oh Look! Two guys in chappals carrying away EVMs!!
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May 20, 2014 at 6:28 PM
No, here they are officially taking them away with police around and out in the open.
It’s not the same as sitting at home with the machines.
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May 20, 2014 at 7:00 PM
I guess the presiding officer before polling went to his known places for stay. Typically things are checked before polling by polling agents of all parties and there is mockup to show that it is behaving correctly. But this should not happen. It should be sealed from EC and opened in front of polling agents of parties and sealed again after voting and opened again in front of people for counting.
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May 21, 2014 at 7:20 AM
And the presiding officer carries the eVMs to these known places to stay?
> It should be sealed from EC and opened in front of polling agents of parties and sealed again after voting and opened again in front of people for counting.
Right. But did it happen? A seal was found on the roadside, a picture of it I have given above, but can give it again.
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May 20, 2014 at 6:30 PM
And what the “+()ç*”!!!
What are they doing here???
fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/10312604_1411747862442291_383630185806974190_n.jpg
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May 20, 2014 at 6:31 PM
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May 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM
Page 15 onwards:
Click to access EVM-ECIL1.pdf
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May 21, 2014 at 7:25 AM
What are you trying to say, munna.
THat they were also trained in dismantling the machines, opening them and fiddling around with the wires and system?
No, there is no such step in that detailed ‘use’ of EVM.
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May 21, 2014 at 2:18 AM
Sonia gandhi gave her resignation to Sonia gandhi which was rejected by Sonia gandhi because Sonia gandhi said resignation is not a solution 😀
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May 21, 2014 at 2:23 AM
Not a bad joke.
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May 21, 2014 at 2:25 AM
Infact, resigning means running away in bad times.
Kejriwal ran away during good times.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:52 AM
No, resigning means accepting responsibility of not being able to deliver.
Kejriwal resigned hoping the assembly will be dissolved and new elections held giving AAP a majority to be able function smoothly.
But both congress and BJP didn’t accept that and LG worked according to congress’s direction (they were afraid of losing).
And the whole blame is laid on AK by media and the two big moneyed parties.
AK wanted re election then!!!!!
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May 21, 2014 at 2:23 AM
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/narendra-modi-pays-homage-to-rajiv-gandhi-on-twitter/15316161
This proves modi has become a statesman.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:54 AM
hahaha statesman! They have always been bhai bhai these two parties. They don’t talk about each other’s scams and corruptions or take action against it. BJP was such a lousy oppostion.
Not really they ‘shared’ the loot.
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May 21, 2014 at 2:51 AM
Resigning does not solve problems. Suppose tomorrow a powerful China may attack and snatch some real estate from India. Will resigning by prime minister or defence minister help?
In sports, do defeated simply resign and vanish into oblivion or fight back? Resigning does not make a hero but fighting back is heroism. One may die but one should not give up till the last breath.
Many show the example of Lal bahadur shastri resigning after some railway accident. Did that stop railway accidents from happening? Many wanted modi to resign after the riot. By not resigning, now he has become PM of India.
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May 21, 2014 at 2:55 AM
from not happening?
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May 21, 2014 at 4:07 AM
In continuation to my comment in the link above–
The point 1-10 I’ve enlisted in the link above randomly form only a snapshot of the myriad complexity involved in these analyses, making simplistic ‘blanket statements’ unfair either ways.
I also wish to add that the world doesnt give enough credit to india for holding an elections of this magnitude. Which were reasonably fair (though oldgold has been providing us with some amusing EVM pics lol)
People seem to have voted against ‘hinduphobia’ & the so-called ‘Gujarat model’ has been marketed well.
Putin, Castro, Chávez, Ahmadinejad, Milosevic are the figures Modi drew parallels with, in the western media. Though modi indeed has the ‘potential’ to jlin the above ‘esteemed’ gentlemen-Only time will tell whether it is a fair comparison….
Disclaimer: this (& the above link) is purely analytical & not intended to be derogatory towards any nations, religions or individuals
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May 21, 2014 at 8:14 AM
Why are you amused with those EVM pictures? Because it bursts your balloon of euphoria and false claims?
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May 21, 2014 at 8:59 AM
Not trying to highlight any one individual, but being amused by facts that should make you sit up and question the credibility of the process is a sign of partisanship.
Some of these very people will after dismissing or laughing off such evidence will say “No Proof Exist”.
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May 21, 2014 at 7:25 AM
China is happy and Pakistan is happy with a strong Indian government. Hope Chine will stop nibbling away at arunachal pradesh and Kashmir becomes a peaceful haven where one can relax without worrying about terrorists.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:25 AM
And now starts another Drama of Mr Kejriwal!! Man, this guy should win an Oscar for all this nautanki. He refuses to post bail, and tries to become a martyr.
Kapil Sibal and Manish Tiwari had already apologized to Gadkari for similar slanders previously. But Kejri is above the law. He refused to give any evidence to the court to back his slander, and then refused to post bail!! The court admonished him, and told him: “You represent Aam Aadmi Party, please behave like a Aam Aadmi”. But Nautanki to uske andar koot-koot ke bhari hai. Nautanki kiya bina baan nahi aaya.
If he does not cut this crap asap, whatever chances he has of winning in Delhi assembly will also fizzle out. He thinks aam junta are fools, he is sadly mistaken.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:38 AM
You didn’t find Modi’s matthha tekna on parliament steps nautanki?
You don’t find all the paraphernelia of his swearing in ceremony as nautanki?
Kejriwal rightly called Gadkari a chor.
Gadkari sued him
Kejriwal was asked to submit bail bond, which criminals are supposed to do – he refused, and is in jail.
What is nautanki here?
Instead of feeling thoroughly ashamed of a nation where a criminal is sitting in parliament and probably in the cabinet while an honest man is in jail?
If the claims od Gadkari s a chor was not proved then jail would be legal – this is pure show of bad characheter of judiciary also in BJP’s pocket and the sinister days to come ahead. Only BJP will be enjoying.
So don’t ridicule everything without thinking over it.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:49 AM
If the AAP does not stop this “the world is against us” meme, sane common people of India will relegate it to the dustbin of history.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:57 AM
Are you really reading what I’m writing???
I’m sure BJP is going to KILL AAP. I said that yesterday if you read it at all.
NO!! No one said world is against us. It’0s BJP/Congress and their paid media which are ruling and crushing opposition.
WHO TALKED OF THE WORLD???
Or have you become so big that you consider yourself the world?
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May 21, 2014 at 9:08 AM
AAP needs to step back, take a deep breath, and seriously ponder the law of diminishing returns.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:17 AM
NyKavi – AAP exists if people want to get rid of corruption.
AAP will cxease to exist if people are happy with the system and don’t want change, so please stop with your forbodings.
It’s very difficult for the BJPwalas and congresswalas that AAP sincerely wishes a corrupt free parliament and system and not after power.
So what if it becomes history? Whose loss is it?
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May 21, 2014 at 9:30 AM
Everyone wants corruption to stop. But this has to be done sincerely. Kejriwal may be honest, but he is either very vain or has very bad advisers. No strategy in his actions at all, he just keeps doing these little tactful actions which in the bigger picture do not add up to anything. The image that he has managed to create in the past 5 months is that he has an insatiable lust for power.
If you remember, in our discussions back in Jan-Feb, I had said that he needs to just keep his head down and keep working for the next 5 yrs in Delhi. Show the results, then go national. Trying to create a solid base in one state, and then trying to go national is just common sense. But he was in a hurry to anoint himself as a PM. Corruption is a deeply embedded social problem, it is not just a govt phenomenon. Indian society is socially corrupt, as is reflected in the actions of every individual, from spitting paan on the street to getting away with murder. To eradicate this, a long long process is required. Kejri needs good advisers who can guide him, otherwise he will just be a bottle-rocket that got extinguished too soon.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:40 AM
Cutting the long story of your views and opinion, short – you don’t stop corruption by choosing them as your candidates and with all your manipulation into the parliament. Come on!! BJP has 98 of them!!
Just All want corruption free INdia then why are you with a party of corrupt candidates? Because it was winning? Join those who are really working selflessly for it instead of mouthing words.
BJP will never get rid of it with Gadkaris and Yedsurappas around.
Kejriwal could have used his post for corruption and amassed greater wealth to fight elections, but the people pooled in, people fought selflessly in the searing summer heat to campaign. It hurts to think people voted for a Gadkari, among others.
That ios why I’d rather thing EVMs were manipulated, and maintain my trust in people.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM
There is one way for Kejri if congress party rids itself of gandhis. Kejriwal can become Congress leader and infuse some good blood into the old party.m On congress leaders like antony join Kejri party without the gandhis.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:41 AM
Or congress leaders like
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May 21, 2014 at 8:49 AM
Why should AK head congress?
BJP is welcome to their leaders. 116 congressis in BJP out which 100 won and are in parliament. Parliament hasn’t changed. They are all there.
It’s not really a congress mukt bharat, is it?
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May 21, 2014 at 8:53 AM
I also said congress leaders like antony can join aap.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:55 AM
actually they meant gandhimukt bharat.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:04 AM
Yet they have 2 gandhis.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM
” Corruption is a deeply embedded social problem, it is not just a govt phenomenon. Indian society is socially corrupt, as is reflected in the actions of every individual, from spitting paan on the street to getting away with murder”
Agree there with your comment in full. Just hope the current process of accountability continues and definitely AAP needs to have patience and work selflessly towards this cause and not just as a power grabbing tool.
I am sure Aam janta will support him if he continues to make life difficult for corrupted govt officials in power.
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May 21, 2014 at 8:42 AM
So now you see how media is against AAP and licking BJP’s boots.
HE REFUSED TO OFFER ANY PROOF???
What madness is this?
The proof has been lying on AAP’s site for months.
Here! Read it!
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May 21, 2014 at 8:47 AM
Sorry here’s one link, will give the AAP page soon.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34.0-12/10388402_885869321430526_431923913_n.jpg?oh=91a86f41137b7f42627ed1a305e7322c&oe=537ED000&__gda__=1400837494_0a6689fcad1db532ce4bdc019f4eb6fc
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May 21, 2014 at 8:54 AM
Ramchandra keh gaye siya se …hans chugega daana dunka kauwa moti khayega……….
Kalyug hai bhai kalyug !!
This motapan Gadkari – has chor written on his face. He and Sharad Pawar…what can one say?
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May 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM
I think Kejriwal survival is all important and something which will keep Modi and others on the check vis-a vis rampant corruption prevalent in our society. In fact BJP should thank Kejriwal / AAP for speeding up the case against Congress. He did all the dirty work and unearthed all those large scams.
Of course law and order and judiciary in India is a joke so nothing can be proved and come to think of it not even a single politician has gone to jail including mayawati, mulayam, kalmadi and the one which did get jail term , Lalu made a mockery of the sentence.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:11 AM
also Jayalalitha.
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May 21, 2014 at 10:19 AM
MS Dhoni, true, but the problem is keju has “Fraud” written all over him !!
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May 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM
more than your 98 corrupt MPs and Modi?
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May 21, 2014 at 10:34 AM
AK takes money from Foreign countries, he wants to destabilize the country, He is so corrupt that he is not vacating his Bungalow, his wife has never been transferred out of Delhi.
He is a Maha Chor. AAP gave ticket to the guy who reversed the order of Khemka. AAP biki hui hai jee, main toh ek chota sa aam Insaan hoon, lekin Keju key paas toh 5 crore key assets hain.
saala kuch bhee !!!!
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May 21, 2014 at 10:40 AM
No he does NOT!! Ab to tumhari government hai go to higher court because Delhi court has given a clean chit.
I’ll give the link BUT FIRST SEE YOUR BJP with your bhai congress taking foreign funds –
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bjp-congress-flouted-foreign-funding-norms-delhi-hc/article5844269.ece
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May 21, 2014 at 10:41 AM
And here’s the clean chit to Kejri. Please don’t come up with tis aagain and again.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/newdelhi/delhi-hc-issues-clean-chit-to-ngos-associated-with-team-anna-s-india-against-corruption/article1-999182.aspx
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May 21, 2014 at 8:48 AM
Uma Bharti said that BJP or she will send Vadra to jail if they come to power. When will this happen?
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May 21, 2014 at 9:05 AM
How can you ask any such thing of BJP?
Unlike with AAP in Delhi when they were down their necks giving an hourly report card – BJP will not be questioned. Media licks its boots.
Rajasthan has had BJP government since months and no action.
Modi already said give him 10 years!!!! LOL
Before election he wanted 5 years.
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May 21, 2014 at 10:22 AM
By comparing Keju to Uma Bharti, bechari Uma jee ka apmaan na karo !!
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May 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM
There is still some affection left for kejri in many people’s minds. Those who dislike both congress and BJP. Haarkar bhi jeetgaya ye baazigar.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:07 AM
What do you mean ‘some’ affection? Ther’s more now, because it’s shocking to see a nation voting (manipulated) for criminals and sending them to parliament and the hard work of honest people treated with disdain.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM
Kejri’s time will come.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:19 AM
Kejri’s time = people’s time 🙂
aap ke munh mein ghee shakkar
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May 21, 2014 at 9:20 AM
By ‘aap’ I mean you. hehe
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May 21, 2014 at 10:26 AM
LOL Sanjana , you said it, and that some affection also vanished after he showed his inclination to be the Delhi CM, ab sirf commies bachey hain usskey paas.
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May 21, 2014 at 9:33 AM
@NyKavi
Aaaand, there are 3 other similar cases going on regarding manhani by kejriwal, but in those cases he was not asked for any bail onds – as he is NOT a criminl, but in this BJP case he was!!!!
What does that tell you – achhe din aa gaye??
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May 21, 2014 at 9:57 AM
Here’s another BJP leader calling Gadkari corrupt.
http://www.newstag.in/bjp-versus-bjp-ram-jethmalani-says-nitin-gadkari-is-corrupt/
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May 21, 2014 at 10:17 AM
yeh court bika hua hai, yeh samaaj bika hua hai, desh key log bikey hu hain, yeh system biku hua hai, yeh desh bika hua hai, yeh voters bukey hue hain, sabko bina proof key jail mein band kar doonga , aur Jhadoo sey maroonga !!
apna bunglaw vacate naheen karoonga, dilli srkar thook key chatoonga ( fir public opinion dekh kar mana kar doonga ) the guy who went to court to forcr thw LG to dissolve the assembly, now wanted the LG to NOT dissolve it. MP naheen toh CM hee sahee
uff yeh power kee bhookh !!!
bhak saala bhagoda !! ghadee ghadee drama karta hai!!
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May 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM
Sab bike hue hain.
Legally you are allowed to stay for some stipulkated time by paying rent. His daughter’s exams were going on. By end July he will leave.
Ghar aise hi nahin mil jaate dilli mein.
Do you know there is a case in cort by AAP to dissolve the assembly?
Modi ka woh matthha tekna parliament ki steps par drama nahin tha kya?
All the paraphernelia of his swearing in ceremony kya hai drama nahin toh?
There are 3 other defamation cases going on simultaneously against Kejriwal Kisi case mein bail bond nahiun maanga only this chor Gadkari’s case a bond was required which are required from criminals.
He refused and was jailed.
Iss me drama kya hai. If no bond was asked no news would have come out.
Kejriwal has gone to jail several times because he has consistently refused to render this.
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May 21, 2014 at 10:35 AM
agar Modi ka mathha tekna drama tha, toh Keju ka Ganga jee mein nahana kya tha….
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May 21, 2014 at 10:42 AM
drama was the picture of Meera Sanyal sweeping Jhadu on a already cleaned floor.( one shuld ask usskey ghar mein jhaadu kaun lagata hai…
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May 21, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Modi ka PM banana is the biggest drama going on these days as if PM toh pehle koi na tha.
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May 21, 2014 at 10:40 AM
wow itnaee Jalan, itnee nafrat, itnee nirasha ………….Aap ko shobha naheen deta !!
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May 21, 2014 at 10:46 AM
Jab 98 corrupt ministers lead by a corrupt man become the government toh nirasha toh hogi hi – nafrat toh pehle se hi thi.
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May 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM
lol, 98 ministers, abhee tak toh 98 MPs tha, aashavadi bano, achche din aaney wle hain…
Bhagoda bhaag gaya, Drama ka ant ho gaya, Chor ab Jail mein jaa raha hai !!
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May 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM
Re.-nafrat toh pehle se hi thi.
haan ab bola, ab sahee bola…
yeh sab aapkey comments Nafrat ka result hain , Facts, Sach , logic, proof , sab gaya saala Tel leney !!
Glad you finally admitted that !!!
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May 21, 2014 at 10:37 AM
AAP is the party of the corrupt and bhagodas
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May 21, 2014 at 10:45 AM
BJP is the party of murderers and aggressive nickerwalas
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May 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM
OldGold
There is no magic wand do end corruption in a single day, unlike what Kejri would have everyone believe.
He has changed his goalposts more times than anyone can count. From not wanting to be in govt, to contesting elections, not wanting to form govt with support, to forming govt, quitting, fighting Lok Sabha, getting drubbed, to again wanting to form a state gov, to finally deciding he does not want to form. So, as Rocky said before, and also in the words of the great John Kerry : “I was for it before I was against it before I was for it”. Even Kerry could not claim to such stunning political U-turns as has Mr Kejriwal.
Do you realize how much of a joke he has become? Just go look at twitter and see the ridicule being heaped on him for his drama today.
Again, he might be honest, but he is an extremely poor politician. Does he not realize that politics is all perception? If he cannot play this game, he should just go back and run his NGO, and try to discover new scams in govt, and perhaps keep doing a diff dharna everyday. He might be more useful to the fight against corruption by exposing govt corruption from the outside, rather than trying to un-strategically fight an unplanned battle from within.
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May 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM
Someone I know commented on AAP FB post on apology – “AK seriously? Is this your plan now? Learn from this mistake. Use the four MPs you have and focus on what you are good at- finding faults and help governments around the country to fix these problems. Just look back- all your career, all your life you have not completed (end to end) anything, you are simply not capable of building stuff, you are good at identifying defects. In the world of Software you will be a tester not a developer or manager.”
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May 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM
“. In the world of Software you will be a tester not a developer or manager”
Very Aptly Put. No better analogy! He is excellent at QA, but very poor at Project Management.
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May 21, 2014 at 12:34 PM
I have seen many from QA handling project work also quite successfully and becoming managers.
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May 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM
Yes, only after they have diligently put in their time and effort in learning the ropes, after they have paid their dues to each position that takes one from a QA to a Project Manager. It does not happen overnight. And certainly not in 49 days!
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May 21, 2014 at 12:52 PM
Yes, its very hard work.
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May 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM
We have reached a stage on this thread where nothing more needs to be added and all of us should think beyond our personal prejudices and take a deep breath/ relax and remember our beloved babu moshai churning –
chhodo, bekaar kee baato mein , kahee beet naa jaaye rainaa
kuchh reet jagat kee ayesee hai har ek subah kee shaam huyee
too kaun hai, teraa naam hain kyaa seetaa bhee yahaa badanaam huyee
fir kyo sansaar kee baaton se bheeg gaye tere nainaa
hum ko jo taane dete hai hum khoye hain in rang raliyon me
hum ne un ko bhee chhup chhup ke aate dekhaa in galiyon me
ye sach hain zoothhee baat nahee tum bolo ye sach hain naa
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May 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM
I agree. this thread is getting a bit pointless with most people saying the same things again and again. In any case I will be closing it soon. it’s getting too long. I am not sure now about starting a new political thread. the election was a special case for obvious reasons but in general the back and forth on the very same points again and again drowns out everything else. It might be good to take a break from politics for a while! While I don’t mind the discussions the blog isn’t primarily about politics!
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May 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM
I second that, enough of politics, let’s get back to movies.
bas bada mann tha kee ek baar Koi Bharat Mata kee Jai bolta. lekin . na ho paaya. Khair !! showed his/her true colors.
BTW- had been skimming thru Big B’s Blog, for last couple of days -he has not said a word about the elections!!
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May 21, 2014 at 4:10 PM
I’m thinking because deep down inside he is more of amitabh from Dev than Om Puri of Dev…
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May 21, 2014 at 5:20 PM
Bharat Mata Ki Jai…
Now I’m shutting down the thread!
On Bachchan not surprised..
Abhishek had a brief tweet one day.. something along the lines of ‘new dawn, new India..’. The kind of tweet that could be interpreted any which way.
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May 21, 2014 at 3:13 PM
Dhoni, You I like ….
are you anyone from NG that I know ????
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May 21, 2014 at 4:01 PM
No Rocky, not from NG or otherwise. Just habitual roaming; wandering around sites with occasional ramblings. …
Nothing serious.
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May 21, 2014 at 12:32 PM
The biggest dramebaaz is arnab and his daily shouts and noise pollution which he calls as passion for the country.
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