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If Amitabh Bachchan’s iconic roles can be done by SRK and Hrithik it’s far less of a gap for Siddharth Malhotra and Varun Dhawan to do Ram Lakhan. ridiculous as this otherwise might be it stretches the imagination far less! In fact in an odd sense this film highlights the absurd truth of those earlier remake attempts!
you shouldn’t respond seriously to such comments.. Agneepath’s numbers by today’s standards would have been that of a blockbuster. But even leaving this aside the film did rather well in Bombay even at the time. Not as much outside. It was still one of the year’s big grossers. Of course it’s fair enough to say that expectations were really huge here and the film did not meet them. But that’s different from the kind of garbage that’s thrown out by some folks. In this sense though the film’s iconic appeal over time is not totally unexpected if you look into the numbers. It had enough support even then in key cross-sections but it was drowned out in the media narrative. Of course no one expected it to become more famous than most of Bachchan’s blockbusters but that’s another matter. And here Aaj Ka Arjun is a good example. A big hit at that point, the only film that ran successfully even at the height of the Rath Yatra riots. However who remembers the film today? Agneepath matters not AKA. And though Hum had a sensational initial (not as strong a follow-through) and has that iconic song and so on even this film cannot match Agneepath’s lasting appeal. Not that I’ve ever been a huge fan of the latter. I admire it for many reasons more than I like it. Not much of a Hum fan either (too much here seems recycled from earlier Bachchan moments). Fundamentally Mukul Anand was always rather weak when it came to picking scripts. A whiz otherwise. Khuda Gawah especially was a massive wasted opportunity. The opening 40 min or so were so well done and then it all went dramatically downhill.
“you shouldn’t respond seriously to such comments.. Agneepath’s numbers by today’s standards would have been that of a blockbuster.”
Before commenting like this, one must look into the facts first.Can you provide a link of any authentic source in support of your claim. If not, then i suggest you to check Film information journal/ trade guide or BOI in this regard. You must accept that the old Agneepath was out rightly rejected by the public and was declared a disaster and that is all.
Yakuza, for the sake of arguement, lets presume that 3.5 cr people have watched agneepath at that time and lets presume that average ticket price at that time was Rs.!5. at that time( i am taking lower side rates).. So keeping this into consideration, the film should have collected 52.50 cr easily and should have been declared a huge hit..So, please refrain from spreading lies to make Bachchan super hero.
Millions lined up to buy Sony’s Walkman then, but today no one wants to touch even the early iPod.
One cannot just factor in the increase in population while holding taste/preference & competition unchanged. With the change in the size of the population, many other changes also occur. It is possible that 3.5 Cr then could be just 100k (lesser number) today.
Just imagine Yudh (the new TV series) back in the 70s . It would have bought the nation to a standstill. No one denies that Yudh is good (and Amitabh is amazing in it), but the reality is that in the current environment it is desperately struggling to find an audience. Year ago this same thing could have milked it, but it is not even a contender.
This generation wants its own voice, it’s own icons. It wants Rohit Shetty not Subash Ghai or Mukul Anand.
Yakuza ji.. I think you are mistaken here. I’m doing some other job and sorry can’t take this garbage but I suggest you to approach any “RADIWALLA” and I’m sure you’ll get its buyer..So all the best for you business.
btw on serious note which you don’t really deserve .. you don’t take FI numbers as given by Q above .. you don’t take data from 1990 sources … so what are u looking at ?? only BOI who was whiz kid at that time ??
Yakuza, it will be a foolish decision by Shetty to remake Hum with Srk but with Hrithik, it will be a treat to watch. You can take the example of Agneepath where Hrithik converted a disaster into a blockbuster hit.
The facts are deeply upsetting for many people.. or more precisely they pretend to be interested in the facts but make claims that are appalling for their lack of logic or sheer plausibility and are simply about explaining their partisanship, which partisanship itself has all the sophistication of the Taliban on many matters, and these are the folks that then start questioning facts. These are people who were either born yesterday and never got an education in these matters or who weren’t born yesterday but are illiterate all the same. I don’t want to offer examples here but there have been quite a few remarkable ones in recent times.
Anyway there has been enough engagement on this debate. We should all move on.
Why should I be baffled? it is people like you who have been in such state since Bachchan went down. Can you clearly say when was the last time when your Idol delivered a clean hit? Have you ever thought why you need to post these Raddi scans to defend your idol? Is there everything ok with your Idol? The answer is big no. You have are left with the only job now and that is manipulation and even your idol has mastered in that field. These graphs etc are all managed and hence laugh worthy.
why don’t you count the 300 crores that Hrithik is supposedly going to give you with Bang Bang and go to sleep that way? I think we’ve had enough of this debate. Repeating the absurd doesn’t somehow render it more sane.
And there’s no need to be so upset now that SRK is doing yet another Bachchan remake. Hrithik will get a second shot too. Let’s relax.
Bachchan’s movie are being re-made because those were very interesting subjects with huge potential at ticket window. Since Bachchan being habitual of interfering with the scripts according to his taste, ruined those films..The best example one can have in this case is Agneepath..Even Kjo hinted that in an interview by saying that he’s still in shock to see box office results of Agneepath, so doing its remake.Producers will definitely approach Hrithik in future as well for a remake of an unsuccessful Bachchan film just to make it a blockbuster..So, not a bad deal for Hrithik either way..
Loll .. Kya wild imagination hai .. btw till 1992 (starting zanjeer) only 5 bachchan movies lost money. So yes no harm in remaking them .. 1-2 of those are underrated like The Great Gambler. Latest i heard bachchan’s most iconic blockbuster Mard is next in remake list .. Hritik can destroy that role as well, uske baad koi mard khud ko mard nahi kahega .. #$%$
Hahaha..Hrithik will destroy those films?? Like he destroyed Agneepath?Where i am saying all bachchan movies were not successful? My point is most of those movies were simple hits, though having the potential of becoming blockbusters. The reality is Bachchan has no solo blockbuster in his career..AAA and RKAM were multi starrers..In MKS, Vinod Khanna was there who equal as far as stardom is concerned.
When Samar starts talking about the MULTI-STARRER theory/conspiracy, one should realize where this is coming from and should stop from banging against the wall..
I understand your patience is running out but it is fun to have guys/gals like Samar, ABCD, etc etc who provide the comic relief much like Keshto or Jagdeep or Johnny lever. Believe me, when I say this, this is a great honor for these commentators but yes, I don’t know what it means for those fine actors! So just so that we keep getting our occasional comic relief, I would request you to allow their comments. The joke is on us so that we don’t reply seriously to those comments. If we do the job of separating wheat from the chaff, I think the job is done!!
Yes it is….laughingly bad. We have a habit of giving movies a classic tag just because they are hit at the box office. Most of Ghai movies fall into the Ram Lakhan category. They were hits when they came out but you watch them today and wonder how you liked them in the first place. Watching Khalnayak or Saudagar today makes me wonder how the heck I liked these movies when they came out.
Also, you might be surprised when you find out how ‘new generation’ I really am.
I watched Ram Lakhan 9 times in theatre .. and watch it many times in bits and pieces when it comes on TV … even recently few weeks back. No one give any movie a classic tag because it was Hit at BO .. Tezaab was bigger hit, but somehow Ram Lakhan is more iconic. Aaj Ka Arjun was bigger Hit .. but only Agneepath is iconic. BO is irrelevant in this regard. I never able to finish tezaab in last 25 years .. BO not influencing anyone to enjoy movie
can’t say I ever liked it as much as that even then! Madhuri though has a superb dance here which Ghai (at his best in those days) beautifully lit up with the right cues and so forth (people forget just how good Ghai could be with his music videos). Ghai is still enjoyable but not in the 70s way. Henry is absolutely right that he is infinitely preferable to any masala maker today but he still hasn’t quite aged very well.
One of the charms of Ram Lakhan was the believability of Anil Kapoor and Jackie Shroff as brothers. They starred in many films together and that chemistry worked well. They felt like brothers in the 80’s/90’s. I doubt that can be recreated.
In any case, this is dumb idea from the outset. Johar is lost for ideas and these sound like easy productions to milk the cash cow as quickly as possible than any genuine love for the film. Any genuine lover of something would let that something be the way it was – not change it, modify it or even try to improve. Just let it be.
OR at least remake something that struggled or was not a success. That would show real ability to improve that kind of script or film.
I’d take Hero over all the films henry has mentioned though I do like some of them. Karma the most within that list. Then I’d take Karz over all of Ghai’s other 80s stuff and my absolute favorites from him are the campy Vishvanath and the Don-like Kaalicharan (though it released before Don).
When you people fail to defend your idol, you term opponents as jokers, insane etc etc. Satyam can ban me and that is not a big deal. Here you people want only those members who are always in agreement with you. I know some respectable members are using multiple ids here but i don’t want to expose them. Let them enjoy in the world of ignorance. The whole film world is not about Bachchan only. His films can be remade and what is the harm in that? You people are taking such acts personal and start venomous tirades against that star who plays Bachchan’s role.
Nobody is being ‘venomous’. As for our tirades against stars, one, they are not and secondly, I would be flattered if my viewpoints were so influential that they would alter ‘facts’ and box office standings of stars!
Your arguments give you away. You are working with a top-down approach: of discrediting someone with a stupendous record in box-office with ridiculous, laughable theories like interfering in scripts, working in multi-starrers etc etc..You don’t even bother to read what is provided. Suddenly Professors from IIT and IIM and their PhD students can be bought because apparently Amitabh or his fans AND the IIT professors and students have no other important work but to spend hard earned money on propagating probability theories!! You or anyone hating Bachchan didn’t even try to find out what were the plot-points about or what was ‘n’ or what was the formula they used. That article is NOT clear and doesn’t have all the ASSUMPTIONS or hypotheses laid out in detail. It only provides a high-level summary of the study and its findings. But hey, all the knee-jerk reactions you could provide was ABHISHEK’s graph being higher than ROSHAN’s! You see, you just LOOKED where you wanted to LOOK. Remember Lage Raho Munnabhai?
When you ask for proof, people provide you with proof and then, you find conspiracy there too!! So what actually are you looking for? Unfortunately, no one here can time-travel back to the ’70s or ’80s or ’90s and take you with them so that you could see with your own wonderful eyes the Amitabh phenomenon; of what he achieved WITHOUT the help of press during his peak years [with the press even blacking out his name when they were reviewing his films!].
So we can go on repeating history lessons here. But we have to move on. You can continue to throw out your wild theories and give Zaid Hamid of Pakistan a serious competition..
If these remakes were about ‘reinterpreting a classic’ for example in the way that Jane Austen novels are revisited by film-makers ever so often, it would be less problematic. But all the recent remakes done in India seem purely for fame and money – the idea of making great (or even good) cinema doesn’t even ocurr to these people. Therefore there is no need to be original or creative.
Now they have discovered Hrishikesh Mukherjee’s cinema perhaps it is only time before Guru Dutt and Bimal Roy get found too…
yes absolutely.. there’s nothing wrong with remaking even the most iconic film as long as one at least tries to do something interesting with it. Obviously the bar is much higher in certain cases. Here RGV must be defended. There are those partisans who keep bringing up Aag simply to justify Don and so forth. Now on the one hand the film is an absolute disaster, no two ways about it. On the other hand RGV publicized the Sholay angle quite a bit but he never quite attempted a serious remake in this sense. In other words the film is very much part of his world with Bachchan in a villainous part and the Sholay framework tacked on to the whole thing. if the film didn’t have these references people wouldn’t even care even if they spotted the similarities. It would still have been a very poor film but the ‘remake’ attempt here such as it is is purely experimental. It is not like Don or Agneepath where you make a ‘big’ film, try to ‘refine’ the older film (new Don) or simply attempt a serviceable remake for contemporary tastes. With Don it was more or less Farhan Akhtar feeling that the older Don needed to be more hi-tech and SRK have a hubristic I’ll-be-Bachchanesque moment and the latter was about Johar trying to cash in on the masala wave pretending it was about family and Hrithik again not being able to resist the temptation (though as I’ve argued before unlike Don Agneepath is bad for the lead star’s ego inasmuch as it tries to keep him as much under the radar as possible, the larger-than-life elements are supplied by Dutt’s or Rishi’s characters).
When you attempt films that have been extremely iconic but also great reserves of ‘meaning’ for all sorts of reasons and have important stars or performances associated with them you can’t just remake them as you can say a regular thriller (iconic as it might also be) or even a classic (where you can always start from scratch even if there is a significant earlier version). You have to be a bit of a ‘thinker’ about the effort or ask yourself why at all the film ought to be remade or if it is how it might be differently reconfigured for the present. If it’s just done as you said for cynical reasons you might get a half-decent box office result (either don) or a big initial and not much after this (Agneepath) but either way you’ve made a pointless film.
But even in Don or Agneepath useless as the attempts might have been there was some narrative to the efforts. SRK’s ambition with the former, Johar’s own effort to get a success anyway anyhow out of a film which though it disappointed on its initial run had become more important than many of Bachchan’s hits over time (so one could pretend to make a success out of a failure all the while relying on as it were the film’s ‘posthumous’ success!) and doing something for his father in the bargain. But when you get to stuff like Ram Lakhan or whatever and even though the gap is far less here it’s also an even more cynical attempt. By this standard you could pick up anything at all and remake it. In Ek Villain Siddharth Malhotra starts beating up people on a Shahenshah cue (playing on video in the background). When you start putting up this sort of juxtaposition you’ve truly entered the realm of the farcical and this is what has defined ‘Bollywood’ for a long time anyway. Not ‘badness’ as much as ‘farce’.
If I was Shetty, I will go for Devgan for Ram. He will fit the bill too…This is a better casting than having boys in the movie….There is unconfirmed rumours that he might approach SRK for the Ram role but I highly doubt SRK going for the less audience friendly role.
most actors wouldn’t want to play Ram here. All the fun lies with the Lakhan character. SRK assuredly won’t do it. To be honest it doesn’t look like he wants to do much with Johar in a hurry anyway. He doesn’t seem to be in any home production either (for Johar). In a recent interview somewhere Johar said that no matter what ultimately he knew he could always count on SRK and vice versa. But there was some ambivalence to the statement.
the problem is that even if you increase the footage and add more to it (not that Jackie’s role lacked substance, he had important moments in the film) the crowd pleasing part will be still with Lakhan. If you make the older brother more ‘fun’ too you make a more pointless film. Historically though the crowd-pleasing part usually wins. Unless it’s something incredibly well-written on the other side which is hardly possible in a film of this sort.
Ranbir will never do this movie. He is not interested in remakes, neither multistar cast films. All his films are delayed and Karan Johar has been delaying his next directorial venture for his dates and he can’t possible sign such a film holding all other films. Bombay Velvet – May 2015, Jagga Jasoos – Aug 2015, Tamasha – Dec 2015, Ayan’s super hero film – Dec 2016. In between he’s squeeze his special apperance role in Roy. Post this, he’ll sign all the next set of films.
even if Ranbir is in it as Lakhan I still will have apprehensions because of simply one reason: Karan Johar. Especially when this king of subject is not even close to his terrain. The guy destroyed Agneepath.
Anil-Jackie combo was so unique and seemed so genuine. I agree with Jay that films like Ram Lakhan were elevated simply by Anil-Jackie combo. I think that combo is right up there with Amitabh/Dharamendra, Amitabh/Shashi combo. A recent example of two actors having great chemistry would be Akki/Saif. I do miss two hero projects; all these top tier actors refuse to work with one another nowadays…everyone wants to be Amitabh Bachchan.
It would have been fun to watch with role reversal if Jackie’s role is played by Arjun Kapoor and Anil’s role played by Tiger Shroff. More apt cast would be after few years when Tiger Shroff can play Ram and Anil’s son Harshvardhan can play Lakhan.
Ranveer Singh would be good fit for Lakhan’s role but then casting his elder brother would be difficult. Out of the younger lot, Siddharth as Ram and Varun as Lakhan are well suited but then the project becomes cold and not anyone would bother to check it out and Karan Johar would want a ‘Hot’ project and huge money spinner, thats the whole point of taking on Rohit Shetty.
I saw Nadiya ke Paar on tv and it was so lyrical. Ram Lakhan remake will lose its essence without the antics of an young anil Kapoor and Madhuri dixit. And Who can forget anupam kher and his spats with anil K.?
Finally! Sidharth and Varun are the new age Ram Lakhan!
The film that was announced a year back has finally found the titular actors. Rohit Shetty and Karan Johar’s collaboration upon making a remake, of Subhash Ghai’s superhit film-Ram Lakhan, is en route to shaping up.
Finally, Sidharth Malhotra and Varun Dhawan have been cast as Ram and Lakhan in the new age film.
There were rumors afloat and now the actors are filling in the Ram-Lakhan shoes. The 1989 classic film has been a super hit and with the winning combo of Rohit and Karan working on its remake, industry experts are eying for a blockbuster in the making.
Out of the pool of names doing rounds, Dhawan and Malhotra have bagged the role and will be seen playing brothers for the first time. After Johar’s protégés debuted with Student of the Year, the two haven’t worked together, but successfully delivered films that raked moolah at the box-office.
The film will start rolling the next year. With such an impressive team, people are putting their bets on that Ram Lakhan remake might just outdo the original film!
No surprise and infact this is the best jodi possible out of all the young actors. I would have prefer Ranveer Singh as Lakhan but then elder brother is a problem.. maybe then Ajay Devgn need to be cast as Ram. But if they want next generation actors, then Sid and Varun are perfect for Jackie’s and Anil Kapoor roles and movie would really looks next gen.