Dilwale trailers (updated)
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SATYAMSHOT 
November 9, 2015 at 11:04 AM
Bhansali/Distributors of BM should be worried.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:05 AM
3:00 to 3:05 is magic.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:44 AM
SRK as an anti-hero is brilliant to watch. Why I’m looking forward to Raees alot as far as he is concerned.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:10 AM
Thanks to DOP, movie looks colourful but everything else (jokes/acting/action) looks flat…
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November 9, 2015 at 11:11 AM
On Expected lines.. one thing I’d give to Rohit is that he’s probably the most quickest director to shoot films.. can’t believe they started this movie this mid-year and got over so quickly.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:16 AM
True, and his movies are not where it’s set in some house. He creates these huge sets which takes time.
He probably has great team of project managers working for him.
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November 10, 2015 at 3:32 AM
I agree completely. Also Dilwale looks to have a budget of over 100 crores, and with the type of Budget SRK-produced movies have, I wouldn’t be surprised if this has the same budget as BM. The last big budget movie that was filmed this quickly was Lingaa last year, where filming started in may and it released in December cause Rajini wanted a quick hit movie but that ended poorly. But with both Lingaa and this movie, I don’t understand what people mean by “it looks like the filming was rushed”?
Rohit Shetty has an amazing…I guess “talent”. I can’t call it luck anymore cause this has been going on for 6-7 years now. Starting with Golmaal Returns, he’s had 1 release every year and every film has been at least a hit. And after Dilwale, he has that ram lakhan remake, probably another singham/golmaal sequel and then another SRK movie-he’s looking at least a 10 year run of continuous yearly hits. And these aren’t debatable hits either such as Don 2, JTHJ, these are solid hits and blockbusters. I can’t think of any director with this type of track record- I know David Dhawan/Priyadarshan tried to do this but even they weren’t this successful.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:11 AM
The problem with this trailer is that it doesn’t showcase anything new, its Rohit Shetty cinema laid on a plate, I would go as far to say an amalgamation of every other Rohit Shetty film. Theres guns, action, romance and some jokes but nothing unique to an SRK-Kajol film. Though there might actually be a story though this time which is a step up! I always felt that Rohit Shetty was not the guy to bring SRK-Kajol back on our screens and this sort of proves it.
Still, it will walk away with the bragging rights in the first week battling BM i think, theres no doubt in my mind that this will be the first choice for most cinemagoers, it’s very ‘massy’.
That bgm though is brilliant, loved it.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM
but that’s true for most Rohit Shetty films. In fact the odd thing about him is that most of his trailers don’t really excite anyone and while everyone shows up for his films very few are really loved by any either. So he’s the strange example of a director who only depends on his films being liked just enough for audiences to remain interested. And he’s of course mastered the formula that keeps getting them in.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:17 AM
@Satyam you said this looks like an easy success, but is that what SRK was really going for here? A 200-250 crore grosser that becomes his biggest hit? Because I remember this film was announced shortly after PK destroyed all records so I’m inclined to think that SRK wants this to do what CE did at the BO…and if thats the case then I think he will be disappointed.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:20 AM
Direct competition with BM will hurt big time but Christmas/New year is the best time to release since there’s like a 10 days festive mood.
Big factor is if the movie is liked or not. If not, audience will have another option in BM and will go watch that instead.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:41 AM
I reckon this will outgross CE. CE did what, 200 cr nett? I remember it was the highest grossing film for a small amount of time, so it must have outgrossed 3I. This is looking at 220-250, maybe less as BM will be there from day one eating into its nett collection. It doesn’t have the legs for much more. As for the ‘highest grossing film’ record and all that, fat chance. This isn’t going to be a 2nd CE in the sense that it is not going to get all the BO records for SRK at once.
Also, I think BM will need to be extraordinarily good with its wom to cause any problems for Dilwale at the box office. Historical films have that pre-reqesuite I think, and with the hype surrounding Dilwale it’ll take much for a historical film to draw viewers away from it (ofcourse is Dilwale is terrible then thats another issue, I’m going in the assumption that Dilwale will have average wom, neither very good nor very bad)
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November 9, 2015 at 12:38 PM
But I never expected this film to be a 300 grosser. I expected a CE-like scenario in today’s money. Whatever that number is. It’s not just about CE. No Rohit Shetty film trends strongly. The only exception is Singham (first one) which doubled its week 1 number (it didn’t start off at the same level but then it also had the ZNMD competition at points so that evens out somewhat). His cinema is of the disposable sort, some of it more enjoyable but nonetheless not designed to last. Which is true for most other ‘blockbusters’ too (almost all of Salman’s films before Bajrangi are like this.. even Dabangg which did much better still didn’t trend like Ghajini) but Shetty has mastered the art of coming up with just enough. So for instance he doesn’t have an HNY where the film is massive and record-shattering on opening day or something and then more or less fizzles out but gets to a deceptively good number because of this. He usually has films that are relatively stable in week 1 and do half-decently to decently in week 2. And so with that kind of filmmaking you can never get to 300. Eventually the initials will become big enough for 300 to be attainable even for Shetty (this happened with 200 earlier) but till that time you still need a rather liked film to get there. D3 didn’t. Bajrangi did, PK did even more. Let’s if Barjatya can do it. But the point is that no matter how mammoth the initial you can’t bulldoze your way to 300. Again without initial being a huge part of it but then the high bar at that point will be much higher too. I think that even without competition 250 was probably the most likely optimistic scenario for the film. It can still do this if BM doesn’t amount to much. Note by the way that only D3 has even crossed 250 so far (barring the two 300 grossers). So it’s not as if everyone can do 250. And here there’s also the whole issue of producer totals and the like. the reason this is important is that they tend to be more inflated on the lower end (with blockbusters than the opposite). If your film is genuinely getting to 300 you don’t have much incentive to make it 320. But if you’re getting 175-180 you might want to get it to 200 (as I believe to be the case for some films including HNY). Of course if you’re Roshan you get 250 off 175 but that’s another matter. The point again is that blockbusters come with great expectations and everyone including the stars are under some pressure. And hence there is always reason to give out these big numbers. All producer numbers are not created equal even if as a general matter they’re all fictions. Why? Because anything that cannot be accounted for precisely cannot be reported as such. At best one can have a range. In India every last ticket isn’t accounted for. It isn’t even close. the reporting is not transparent. to then claim a film did 201.35 crores is absurd! But it works as it makes the figure look more real than it is. Of course one can arrive at a certain range. One can figure out how well a film did overall relative to another. That’s a different matter though sometimes even here things can be misleading.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:50 PM
To be fair, I think 250cr would be like final total which is not bad really. Anything above will be surprising, the reason being.. for decades SRK’s audience is very different than the Rohit Shetty audience. CE at least was in SRK’s zone(story template) with little of Rohit’s comedy but here its full on Rohit Shetty circus with ‘Adhaar card jokes’ so on which are alien to many ‘metro’ SRK fans. It would be easy success in Rohit Shetty belts but its not going to impress all of SRK’s city fans, so losing some here and gaining some extra in other belts, it would settle down around 250crores IMO. Anything above it bonus.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:59 PM
no I didn’t say it’s bad, just that I didn’t expect more.
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November 9, 2015 at 1:01 PM
If the love angle of SRK-Kajol clicks, it can do very well.. that’s the key!
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November 9, 2015 at 1:02 PM
Master, you think it’s going to get to 250 despite stiff competition from BM? I think it will be around 200 (if accepted by core audience)
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November 9, 2015 at 1:14 PM
it’s hard to see a scenario where it gets to 250 if BM does a 100 or something. Also keeping in mind everything I’ve just said about Shetty’s kind of cinema. BM would probably have to fail for this to happen. It’s still possible with BM but Shetty would need a film with a much stronger emotional arc than he’s been capable of in the past.
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November 9, 2015 at 1:30 PM
“much stronger emotional arc”, either that or much stronger humor.
Based on the promo, the humor looks flat, very flat.
CE humor looked flat too in promo but it worked well within the whole movie.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:12 AM
BTW.. this looks very similar to HUM… especially SRK’s character
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November 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM
good point, it has some elements of Hum (one of my fav Bachchan movies)
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November 9, 2015 at 11:33 AM
Deeply unimpressive, but hey it’s Rohit Shetty, so I’m sure a big grosser is on the cards here. The one departure from other Shetty films that I’ve enjoyed is that this one seems too straight and earnest (i.e. as opposed to Chennai Express), and while that clearly works for him in films like Singham, I don’t think he’s made a “sincere” gharelu film…
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November 9, 2015 at 11:35 AM
if anything I thought CE was straight and earnest. It had one story line and stayed with it from beginning to end.
This ones from trailer seems all over the place, too much masala.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM
I really liked CE (havent been an SRK fan for a long time now) because I felt the classic Rohit Shetty style was more subdued there. Here he seems to be falling back to his golmaal/singham days. this one will be certainly a monster at the boxoffice, it seems to have something for everything (SRK-Kajol romantic sequences, dollops of rohit shetty action and just a dash of Baazigar at the end). this will make between 250-300 crs whether they clash with BM or not
What do SRK fans think? Does this trailer meet their expectations?
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November 9, 2015 at 12:54 PM
“What do SRK fans think? Does this trailer meet their expectations?”
Here is Satyam’s reaction ๐
https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/dilwale-trailer/#comment-318832
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November 9, 2015 at 1:06 PM
Master, this short comment of yours “Here is Satyamโs reaction” is comment of the year.
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November 10, 2015 at 10:01 AM
Q -โWhat do SRK fans think? Does this trailer meet their expectations?
A – Here is Satyamโs reaction
LOL!!!!!
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November 9, 2015 at 12:40 PM
agree on the earnestness bit. If he handles it right this film will have better trending. If it’s just part of the mix it might be more of a tonal problem. But Shetty is so much in the zone at the moment it’s hard to bet against him.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:40 PM
agree on the earnestness bit. If he handles it right this film will have better trending. If it’s just part of the mix it might be more of a tonal problem. But Shetty is so much in the zone at the moment it’s hard to bet against him.
I must say I don’t like Varun DHawan at all and it’s unfortunate to see him getting so much footage (even if I know most of the audience doesn’t have a problem with this).
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November 9, 2015 at 12:52 PM
“I must say I donโt like Varun DHawan at all and itโs unfortunate to see him getting so much footage ”
Actually I expected more of Varun Dhawan seeing the promotion and posters but this looks like major SRK-Kajol movie with Varun just on the side(‘I can do anything for my brother’ types).
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November 9, 2015 at 1:12 PM
with all due respect that’s a straw man.. if there were more of Varun in this trailer it would be his film! In the posters they’re all equally important (it’s not even like HNY where SRK was more centrally located). I’m not saying that SRK wouldn’t be ‘heading’ the cast somehow but the point is that SRK fans also tend to be a bit anxious about the multistarrer aspect and declare it almost as the opposite rather too easily. Given that this is ultimately a SRK vehicle how much more footage could you expect Varun to have in the trailer? Furthermore I think SRK is perhaps increasingly looking towards a format where if he’s alone in the film it’s usually something smaller or else if he’s going for an absolute blockbusters he pads it with other stars. He did this with HNY and this seems to be familiar in that respect. Put differently SRK is not looking for much more than ‘symbolism’ in some of these ventures. Because he knows if it works no one’s going to credit Varun DHawan with it. At the same time because the other star has enough to do he can get a win out of it (so Abhishek was the only one who got something out of HNY). Since SRK is only banking on the box office aspect of it he’s not left with much if the film doesn’t live upto expectations in this sense. Again what he wants is essentially a blockbuster here to show ‘I can still play with the big boys’ and then smaller successes elsewhere to do the rest. This is the Farah Khan aesthetic if you will (have other stars or at the very least a circus.. the star doesn’t have to lift the load to the same degree in this kind of venture.. just lend his symbolic authority.. on a related note Akshay’s been doing the same in the Houseful movies..). CE was an exception to the rule (notice by the way how he didn’t go for a solo after this as one might have expected.. because he’s really looking for the biggest number possible). Beyond this the only time this formula has ever worked for SRK is with that OSO-CDI double in 2007. Usually it’s been disappointing returns for him at both ends. Let’s see if this changes with Dilwale and then Fan/Raees. But it’s the same sort of double. The point again is that Salman doesn’t depend on this other stuff nor does Aamir. This also dovetails with the other point I keep making. About his history and so on.
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November 9, 2015 at 1:37 PM
Actually there’s nothing of Varun in this promo, nothing that suggest the movie is his. And it’s a bigger problem in todays cinema as far as multi starrer movies are concerned with a top star in it. The 2nd lead is more of a side actor instead or proper 2nd lead.
Check out old multi starrer films. Take Naseeb for example, you know it’s Bachhan film but Rishi and Shatru is given equal importance and they don’t come across like a space filler. The movie actually looks better and has better effect. Qurbani is another great multi star film.
Multi starrer like HNY, Dhoom series and I suspect same with Dilwale are nto truly mulit starrer films, the 2nd lead is more like space filler, nothing else.
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November 9, 2015 at 1:49 PM
But the Naseeb thing proves the opposite point. Because Rishi or Shatrughan have good roles but Bachchan is the symbolic center. That is always how it was even in those days. Today the scripts are much weaker so both the lead star and the other stars just look weaker. But even in those days where even the supporting actors had good parts (calling them equals is going too far) that didn’t mean that there wasn’t a symbolic center. That’s precisely why it was a Bachchan film. Not just this by the way. Given that those films also exhibited a certain politics Bachchan was the guy feeding that politics whereas the other stars weren’t doing this. So it was a symbolically charged part even in this other sense.
The only multistarrers that didn’t have this issue is where the stars had parity and there one star or the other could do better in the minds of the audience. these were usually the lesser multistarrers. Again the parts were less well-written here and so it wasn’t easy for anyone to dominate.
Getting back to SRK’s multistarrers one often gets the sense that he’s occupying a much more passive role in these films despite being the symbolic center. Partly this is because the other stars lift the load sometimes but also because he gets the symbolic bits but those bits are not very well-written either. Or these are passive moments in the film. The symbolism in never earned. It might be different with Dilwale because the romantic history is more ‘real’ for him than they doing that ridiculous fight in HNY.
On Varun once more I still believe it’s an exaggeration to say he has nothing here. If so those posters are certainly a mystery (!). And I certainly saw more footage in the trailer. But then I didn’t expect completely parity to begin with. You guys seem to be saying the same, just in a perverse way. That it’s a multistarrer only if Varun and SRK are equals in the film.
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November 9, 2015 at 1:57 PM
put differently I do agree that the secondary roles often don’t have much to do these days. But I think the more important point is that most of the time even the leads are just filling space. They too don’t do anything much beyond going through the basic though ‘fans’ of various kinds are satisfied with this. Getting back to the Naseeb example Shatrughan had an important narrative arc in Naseeb, not Rishi as well though he still had enough moments to show his stuff. Today it’s just a collection of moments not really tied together in any compelling narrative sense. So sure the lead still has the most footage or at least more footage. But it still doesn’t amount to very much. On that note I’d say that even in a solo film like CE SRK was in fact a rather weak lead. He wasn’t really the center the way he is in OSO or many of his other films. One can debate a lot of this stuff as long as one is not driven by agendas or anxieties.
rohit Shetty in any case isn’t the sort of director to just put people centrally in the posters if they have nothing to do. this film is clearly being sold as some sort of ‘foursome’ with a ‘senior’ pair and a younger one. Then the brothers angle and so on. It would be absurd to have those posters otherwise. This doesn’t mean that SRK-Kajol aren’t central but it’s also not ‘hey I couldn’t spot Varun in the trailer’! Alright it’s like CE. let’s agree!
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November 9, 2015 at 4:10 PM
All I’m saying is the multi starrer of past had well etched out role for 2nd lead. There was some balance.
Now coming to Varun, sure he is on poster but so was zayed khan in posters of MHN, shreyas talpade on OSO poster, uday/abhi on dhoom posters, etc…There’s no balance.
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November 9, 2015 at 4:27 PM
did zayed have equal footage on MHN posters? I might have forgotten! Abhishek certainly didn’t give that impression on the HNY posters.
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November 9, 2015 at 4:34 PM
Equal footage on the poster leads to equal footage in the movie?
I wonder if that’s what sunny deol thought when he looked at the Darr poster ๐
You’re just dragging this knowing exactly what I’m trying to say. Keep it simple.
Multi starrer of yester years had much better role for 2nd leads than todays.
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November 9, 2015 at 6:06 PM
Not dragging out anything. I think my comment was clear on all these scores. But you’re now jumping to all sorts of examples. darr is hardly the norm in these matters. I’d just reiterate the larger point. What’s this anxiety that you (like some others have) where it’s not enough to say SRK’s the main guy or something. You have to persuade yourself that the other guy isn’t even there or if he’s there he doesn’t have anything significant. This sees to me far less about some sort of useful comparison with older multistarrers and far more about personal anxieties. Hate to put it as bluntly as this but you give yourself away with the things that you say. And again to make it clear I don’t have an issue with however much you love SRK or whatever you want his films to do. The problem is with these framings that are simply not reasonable. As always there’s the same disjunctive logic:
1)The other star has no footage
2)Even if he has footage it’s worthless
3)Even if he has footage Rishi Kapoor had better footage in AAA
I use these examples quite often. The ‘explanations’ can often be unconnected except that they’re united by an anxiety. In a nutshell the true blue SRK fan has been waiting for a very long time for the biggest blockbuster for him. Whether it was 100 or 200 or 300 either SRK didn’t arrive at the party or arrived too late. The problem here is that that the way SRK chooses films he’s always less likely to get to that mark. He’s not the Salman sort of star where anything he does is massive and anything half-decent can get to those higher benchmarks. Nor is he like Aamir where his prestige overwhelms everything (Aamir still has the biggest grosser the last time I checked and has had them for a while at 100 or 200 or whatever.. but hey he gets less credit.. I’ve commented on the absurdity of this structure many times in the past, won’t get into it here). I can understand the fan’s desire but there’s no need for this unrealistic framework to be attached to it.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:46 AM
Should have been more energetic. The Chennai Express trailer was more fun n had an SRK on drugs.
This one’s more in the Mai Hoon na space
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November 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM
Let’s see some media folks reaction:
Girish Johar @girishjohar
#DILWALE trailer is FANTASTIC …BLOCKBUSTER written all over
Taran Adarsh @taranadarsh
Just one word: FANTABULOUS!
KRK @KamaalRKhan
It’s just fantastic. Sure shot TOOFAAN for box office.
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November 10, 2015 at 10:43 AM
Rajeev Masand @rajeevmasand
Wow, so much going on in the #Dilwale trailer, I had to watch it thrice just to take it all in! All the best @iamsrk @Varun_dvn @kritisanon.
Faridoon Shahryer @faridoonshahryer
It is unstoppable!! SRK’s biggest hit for sure!!!
What strikes u the moment u see #Dilwale promo is the electrifying n magnetic chemistry between @iamsrk n @kajolatun Awe inspiring stuff!!
The intensity displayed by @iamsrk in #Dilwale promo is ample proof that it is a SRK show all the way…he’s looking in top form!!!
@Varun_dvn is razor sharp n its very clear that he has made the most of his dream of being directed by Rohit Shetty
The exotic picturization of @iamsrk @KajolAtUN song in #DilwalePromo is the sort of stuff that pulls millions across the world to theatres!!
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November 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM
With” inspirations” from:
KKKG – Sooraj hua maddham
Car races/joint-twirling – Mission Impossible 2
Broken air-plane – Picked up from The Dark Knight Rises opening stunt
SRK’s role/LOOK – HAPPY NEW YEAR
Varun Dhawan – Anoop Kumar/Zayed Khan
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November 9, 2015 at 11:55 AM
Most silly comparison. I’d don’t even know the idea behind it. Its just a regular commercial movie which will have traits of already seen Hindi movies. So is every Rohit Shetty film. If you want something new, wait for FAN.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:02 PM
“Broken air-plane โ Picked up from The Dark Knight Rises opening stunt”
LOL. Trying to over smart and talking about TDKR and calling it broken air plane shows your lack of knowledge, nothing else. Read about “Sรณlheimasandur Plane Crash”.
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November 9, 2015 at 2:21 PM
Talking about TDKR = “Over-smart.” Conversely, talking about desi films = ‘rooted’?
Why so touchy? Were you expecting earth-shattering originality here? I was not. And I know what to expect from Shetty’s films.
Wreckage might be a site in Iceland or whereever or whatever [unfortunately, I am not invested in Amitabh or SRK or SK to an extent where I almost ‘stalk’ the star or his films’ contents and take it as a personal to-do to even ‘promote’ a star’s production without even having the star – so thank you for the knowledge you imparted about the crash]; what I mentioned was just images conjured up from other movies while watching the trailer.
There are many scenes in many films that conjure up images from different movies – [Saif Ali Khan’s ‘loneliness’ in PHANTOM to Amitabh’s in Kaala Paathar; or Shaan’s Shaakal lair to umpteen Bond movies of the ’70s and ’80s]] – intentional or as a homage or as spoof. I am neither saying something is good nor bad.
Maybe I should have started with a disclaimer; I didn’t know I had to be THAT expansive or pre-emptive. [will start with this disclaimer every-time I am talking about SRK]:
I am not a SRK fan but I am not a hater either – any statement made by me should not be considered a branding satanic weapon secretly intended to scald SRK fans.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:53 AM
The best Rohit Shetty film was Zameen. Real, not fabricated, masala, which was ironically his least successful
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November 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM
Rofl. Is this what everyone was waiting for ? It looks boring, not a single joke worked and more of gay jokes.
Cinematography is poor though location are good but poorly designed. Action is very average. Most focus is on makeup of kajol and srk. It looks doomed. With competition from BM, it may be able to just do 200 cr but who cares. It looks like a bad movie.
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November 9, 2015 at 2:07 PM
it looks better then HNY ,surely it will do 300cr+,I liked it as much as i hate srk,looking forward for it…lets see how salman khan film pans out,hope it is what it say on the tin..
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November 9, 2015 at 12:24 PM
I put this comment in the images thread by mistake, this was my initial comment on the film:
looks like an easy success. most Shetty trailers are like this anyway. This one might have some more emotional hooks to the story and therefore ensure better trending. But yeah it certainly seems like a proper multi-starrer. Not the sort of thing to challenge the biggest totals though (even without competition) but then Shetty isnโt that sort of director anyway. The trailer (and I expect the film) looks to be a museum of SRKโs career.
And isnโt there something curious about this impulse inasmuch as you then necessarily depend on the history and always shine a greater light on it than on the present in which you hope to keep renewing yourself? In other words Aamir and Salman donโt really look back in this sense. Similarly the whole โgreat starโ motif โ(from Bachchan-like to Fan and so on) is also part of the same move. First off it needs to be โassertedโ at every point. But beyond this it again suggests a summation moment.
In terms of the trailer the reason all of this is important is that all of the moments here donโt somehow exist in the same โtime frameโ. Which is to say that some are a bit too much part of an older archive, others of a very contemporary one and so on. Which is different from CE where there wasnโt this sort of mix.
Paradoxically in the hurry to be truly โhistoricโ one can end up making disadvantaging oneโs present. The opposite is also true. Often those who are truly historic are not really bothered by their histories at all or at least act as if those histories did not exist. In various contexts Iโm a great critic of the latter impulse as well.
In any case the film being big is not questionable. How much it ends up doing is the only somewhat academic debate here.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM
Whatever business it does, doesnt matter anymore. After looking at the trailer, anyone can say It cant break records. But one thing is sure it is going to be bad movie.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:39 PM
I know.. we all love the other masterpieces that come out of Bollywood every week…
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November 9, 2015 at 12:28 PM
Regular Rohit Shetty’s crappy movie. Rohit sheety needs a lesson, atleast now he should start making decent movie. Enough of torture on big festivals.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:42 PM
LOL, so you already know 2 things, that the movie is bad and it will make money.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:42 PM
HNY2
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November 9, 2015 at 12:44 PM
Sounds like Raghav is a first day first show candidate for this movie.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:53 PM
Looks like Raghav has used all adjectives and comment reactions in the trailer review itself, wonder what he’ll use in his movie review now?
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November 9, 2015 at 12:53 PM
BM team must be celebrating after looking at this crap. HNY did 178 cr, this has competition also.
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November 9, 2015 at 12:56 PM
“BM team must be celebrating after looking at this crap.”
Maybe it was intentional bad promo by Dilwale team to fool BM team and you! ๐
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November 9, 2015 at 1:28 PM
There is excess of Red Chillies Vfx in the trailerโฆ.. quick filmingโฆ too soon after HNY for attempting this genre for SRK…..
Box office earnings are not an issue here and may do wonders even if the jokes are at Golmaal level but at the same there is potential to crash if content is downright witless / daffy esp coming in so quick after the HNY fatigue. Nonetheless as I pointed earlier just the Overseas earnings cover cost of srk movies, its the justification of super-stardom which is at stake here and need of the hour is to justify hype associated with the name – SRK. (esp in context of recent controversies).
Happy to see they have adequate disclaimers at the beginning โ from the makers of Golmaal / Bol bachchan / Chennai Exprees expressโฆโฆ.so audience will enter the theatre with that kind of expectation. Supporting cast (Johny Lever, Sanjay Mishra, Mukesh Tiwari) normally do the job in these kind of projectsโฆ and its the content given to them which will make or break this movie. Johny Lever was exceptionally funny in Golmaal 3.
I still feel BM is no competition for Dilwale box-office wise but if BM is not a bore fest / SLB usual self indulging crap then prestige battle will be lost for sureโฆโฆ I expect SLB making a very hammy BM.
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November 9, 2015 at 2:45 PM
talking about golmaal 3, this movie has few one liners which are very funny.
sometime you’ll miss it if you don’t pay attention.
There is one scene where prem chopra says something like “kaha raja aur kaha gangu telli”
Mithun turns around says, “Main nahin janta Raja or Gangu Teli kaha hain…”
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November 9, 2015 at 4:30 PM
pretty much have the same sentiments as most here after watching that bland trailer. was really excited to see SRK/Kajol on-screen again but man what a subdued trailer and both SRK and Kajol dragged the entire trailer down. Not a Rohit Shetty fan at all but watched BB for Bachchan and CE for SRK and will *probably* watch this one for SRK/Kajol.
where’s the freaking energy?? CE trailer was a masterpiece compared to this…I hope they’re not relying just on the big names here.
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November 9, 2015 at 5:01 PM
basically usual rohit shetty mix n match aka CIRCUS
struggled to complete the promo, but hey, everyone sees these flicks
SRK is truly showing his acumen in extending his association wiht the big grosser by slicing and dicing the combos intelligently
theres NOTHING that remotely comes close to what SRK was capable of and perhaps is still capable of, but he has learnt that sometimes its not your best thats needed. but for u to be a part of the right project wiht the right placement and director to stay relevant
as for chaps like varun dhawan, even in this promo, its made amply clear that he is NOT a parallel lead but a second or third (after kajol)
the ONLY thing i liked about this promo was
Kriti sanon–i see potential in her (dont ask me potential for what..)
and this line
Ham thode se sharif kya hue,
saari duniya badmaash ho gayi
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November 9, 2015 at 6:22 PM
Kirti sanon looks like a man.
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November 9, 2015 at 8:20 PM
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November 9, 2015 at 9:11 PM
Don’t remember when last time promo of such a big most awaited movie disappointed so much …. even bol bachchan and CE promos set the expectations right and delivered what was promised. But this promo is such a big BORE .. only positive point is that promo is such a bad that movie can only be better …
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November 9, 2015 at 9:31 PM
Saw the promo again now.. one thing I’d like to mention is that.. there is enough content and characters in the movie to easily last 2.5 hours.. if its good pacing this can turn out pretty good.
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November 9, 2015 at 10:03 PM
But KJO was going like it is best trailer ever. And when i mentioned kjo always love to salvate even on srk’s dung. I was bashed on this particular forum how i am srk hater and given bad names.
And here you had to watch it twice to assume some hope in it. Let’s forget there is a word ‘bias’ disappear from this forum whenever there is something about Srk.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:02 PM
Not a good trailer. Plain bad and only hope that I have with it is Kajol. She is very selective in picking scripts.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:31 PM
Kajol, very selective in choosing scripts? Like U Me aur Hum, Toonpur Ka Superhero, We are Family?
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November 10, 2015 at 12:12 AM
If you remove SRK’s movies from Kajol’s filmography, you’d be hard pressed to find super hit movies baring few!
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November 10, 2015 at 2:38 AM
Utkal
Every actor has few crappy movies in his/her career if one observes keenly and even Dalip Kumar and Amir Khan can’t be left out from this category. If you notice carefully, you can see that she has done very few movies as post marriage life doesn’t allow her for the same. Unless and any script is promising, she’ll not touch that and this is all what I mean’t in my previous comment.
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November 9, 2015 at 11:49 PM
Am i the only one who feels this is a remake of Hum. If yes and done well, this will work. Either ways I think if content is half decent, this will do well as rohits movies attract the families in a big way
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November 10, 2015 at 12:08 AM
“Am i the only one who feels this is a remake of Hum”
You are not alone. Actually even before the film went on floors, there were rumors that this is Hum remake. But actually the only angle like Hum is that he was a gangster earlier and now living a normal life until his past shows up. But Kajol and SRK got separated coz they are of opposite gangs – like Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak (or R&J). Rohit Shetty even remade Golmaal into a hit film but taking 1 angle of Hum and there is still enough potential to make this into interesting script. Lets see..
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November 10, 2015 at 12:18 AM
Yeah and in any case rohit shetty,s movies are not true remakes. He just uses the essence of the script and gives his own take on it. The AB fight scene in the bus depot in the second half still gives me goose pimples. Hopefully there is a similar scene in this one.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:21 AM
The film looks hastily made and the trailer seems lazy. Such a lack of energy..I guess the edit should have been better.
Red Chilles VFX have worked their ass off to make SRK and Kajol look young and effervescent. Still they couldn’t make Kriti / VD acting better ๐
Action looked nothing special..just a rehash of Golmaal cars flying , some copied Mercedes promo stunt and Hollywood action cliches.
I didn’t expect it to be Fast and Furious : Goa Shift .
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November 10, 2015 at 2:35 AM
The trailer is a bit flat but I guess the film may be better.
The key and the strength of the movie will lie on the SRK’s past footage as the gangster. If it is made anywhere near as well as in Hum for those portions, then the film will have that strong base to build its story on. If those parts turn out to be flat, then it dents the whole movie.
A lot will depend on how Shetty handles that part. In Hum, Mukul Anand handled those portions brilliantly and the film had that strong
and intense base to build on.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:46 AM
That said, Devgan must be a really unhappy man right now. He needs a big grosser to remain in the big league and he finds his wife and buddy-director in a project with his arch-rival barring the name of a previous hit of his and everyone, including his wife seems to have forgotten about it.
What is worst is that he is the one who gave chance after chance to Shetty when the latter’s first few films flopped but Shetty has started opting for SRK lately.
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November 10, 2015 at 7:17 AM
Take away Shettys Golamal and Singham series, what is devgan left with as far boxoffice success is concerned in past 7 years?
While shettys biggest grosser didn’t have Devgan in it.
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November 10, 2015 at 5:46 AM
Gol Maal trailers are way better. They have a set premise and audience know what they’re going in for.
Shetty is trying to mix up several things here. SRK isn’t fun to watch.
The lines are ordinary. Don’t know what KJo is getting all turned on for!
Won’t trend well. Be surprised if it opens 55C+ first weekend.
Said that, PRDP could do 150C+ till Sunday.
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November 10, 2015 at 6:20 AM
I’d be very surprised if this didn’t do very well. Put differently I’d be very surprised if this followed a HNY trajectory as opposed to the usual Shetty one where films open big and stay stable for at least a week and do a half decent second week, all enough to get the film to a good total. Not expecting Aamir-like trending here of course but that doesn’t happen with any Shetty film or most films for that matter. Of course one has to adjust for the competition. If BM doesn’t work (say it’s an OSO/Saawarya think where he latter faded after a very strong opening in the first few days) one can use normal solo standards. But if it works and is itself a 100 crore sort of deal then one has to account for that. You’re not likely to have a 250 crore release (going by CE standards) and a 100 crore one side by side. Unless of course both films are considered very good by the audience. Still think Ranveer is the weak link in BM, specially in this sort of competition situation. Also the BM story has no resonance outside Maharashtra. It’s hard to think of big period films without broader resonance opening very well. Even JA struggled initially (and of course was never quite big in that sense). I could be wrong and maybe Bhansali has made a more engaging movie than he’s usually capable of. All I’m saying is that most of the scenarios here are in Dilwale’s favor. The rest depends on the film.
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November 10, 2015 at 7:12 AM
offside,
“SRK isnโt fun to watch”
“Donโt know what KJo is getting all turned on for!”
“Be surprised if it opens 55C+ first weekend”
LOL, from most of the comments, one thing is for sure, SRK has another winner on hand.
I don’t expect this movie to be “Himatwala” moment for Rohit.
Anyway, if 55 crore is the first weekend, what’s the final total?
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November 10, 2015 at 8:26 AM
@Satyam
Just feel strongly that something’s gotta give eventually with all this rehashing that Shetty does. What exactly is exciting here?
@Z
55C (3-day weekend) is based on the brand of the actors + trailer.
Got a parallel big release in BM. Rest of the collection depends on how the film actually is.
PRDP could have a 45C+ first day – 4 day being 150C+.
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November 10, 2015 at 9:48 AM
55 crore is too low.. or let’s put it this way.. it it’s 55 and given how Shetty’s movies usually trend even in the best case scenario you’re looking at something that wraps up in the 100-120 range. That would be a total failure. Anything can happen of course but that’s just not a likely scenario. For one a 55 crore total would mean terrible WOM on day 1 which would then impact even the weekend to enable that sort of low number. Just think Shetty is too much in the zone right now to have that kind of underperformer. The film could do less than expectations, that’s another matter. On competition BM is just not serious enough in my view. Bhansali’s best case scenario is a 100 and that too when it’s a solo. You add in the period factor, no major lead star, the subject with no resonance outside maharashtra, it’s just a high mountain to climb in any case but specially with this sort of competition. Even if it does well it’s just not likely to be a serious challenge for Dilwale. Put differently if the film is otherwise doing well this in’t going to stop it from getting to a significant total. Competition isn’t the difference between 150 and 250 or some such gap. Of course these arguments often get muddied because fans for obvious reasons tend to exaggerate the competition bit. yes competition obviously has an impact but depends on what kind it is. And it’s also how much damage a given film can do. You know how this goes right? Let’s say the film does 220. Fans will say it would have done 300 without competition. Well what about CE then? And so it goesโฆ! Shetty in any case has never been close to 300 in any scenario.
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November 10, 2015 at 10:50 AM
“Letโs say the film does 220. Fans will say it would have done 300 without competition. Well what about CE then? And so it goesโฆ! ”
Competition does impact but very little IMO in the final gross of an accepted movie. For instance CE did 227 crs (acc to Producers), it might have touched 250 without competition and JTHJ which did 124 cr would have passed 150 cr without SOS and solo release. If the movie is rejected completely then there is lot more value in being released solo and get majority of collections in 1st weekend and week but accepted movies tend to cover the difference eventually. Like, don’t think Ra.One could have made 115 crores if released with another big film as competition with same WOM.
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November 10, 2015 at 11:43 AM
I wouldn’t say competition doesn’t have an impact. It does especially today where even the biggest grossers do pretty much all of their business in the first three weeks. In other words if you lose anything on the initial you can’t really make it up. Unless the film enjoys exceptional trending and even so you can’t make up everything because the films that have had the highest grosses at any point for a number of years now have also had flying starts. You don’t need the biggest possible opening but it should be up there, at least in terms of the weekend. Now for a flop film this becomes academic and for a massive blockbuster perhaps (it doesn’t matter all that much whether a film does 300 or 320) but everything in between can be adversely affected. My only point is that one cannot cynically cover any gap one likes using this idea. But otherwise competition does hurt a film, specially in any age where Hindi films (for all sorts of reasons include the poor quality of the films) just don’t last that long in the theaters even in the best case scenario. I’d agree on your flop point (assuming it’s a total rejection) but not really on the successful film. Put differently blockbusters do have the advantage that they’re a lot more review proof, however if WOM is decent but not especially good and if it’s not the D3 kind of deal which everyone thinks is unmissable (in the initial run) then such a film can fade relatively fast, specially if there’s an alternative.
Here the other point the should be made about BM (let alone anything smaller than this is) that the ticket prices these days don’t allow very many people to double dip at the very same time. And so if you have to choose you’ll go with Dilwale over BM.So the latter already starts with this disadvantage. Bhansali would have been far more sensible going for a different date and giving his film room to breathe. The clash narrative helps but usually when the films are somewhat comparable.
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November 11, 2015 at 6:07 AM
My simple point is – let’s say 5K screens are divided between Dilwale and BM. Because of SRK , assume – Delwale’s gets 60% of the screens. That’s 3K screens. Whether BM is 100% on 2K screens or not is irrelevant (because they are NOT available to D).
What D can do with those 3K screens is its maximum revenue.
That won’t and cannot be enormous.
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November 11, 2015 at 7:35 AM
Agree, with limited screen counts, it won’t do enormous. that’s simple logic.
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November 10, 2015 at 8:28 AM
@Satyam
Just feel strongly that something’s gotta give eventually with all the rehashing that Shetty does. What exactly is exciting here?
@Z
55C (3-day weekend) is based on the brand of the actors + trailer.
Got a parallel big release in BM. Rest of the collection depends on how the film actually is.
PRDP could have a 45C+ first day – 4 day being 150C+.
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November 10, 2015 at 8:37 AM
“55C (3-day weekend) is based on the brand of the actors + trailer”
hmm, Brand being SRK, which of his last film released on Friday and collected only 55C for the 3 day weekend?
I agree that competition from BM will effect the collection but you’re trying to make out SRK as if he is washed up star with no boxoffice power.
Just read all of your comments, it gives it away…
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November 10, 2015 at 10:35 AM
The competition is there with BM but the only place where it will hurt this one is in the screen count. I don’t see BM doing more than 7 to 8 cr on day 1. I absolutely cannot see anyone being interested in a historical where even the person on whom it is based on is hardly a known person. Who really even knows about bajirao or mastani. This is like making an historical on surya sen. I am pretty sure even with competition Dilwale will have a 30 cr plus day 1 on a working Friday. And even with the competition if the content is half decent, this will go past 250 cr..
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November 10, 2015 at 10:52 AM
Bhansali is just wasting all the hard work down the drain by going against Dilwale…not good to have this ego and this is 2nd time now.
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November 10, 2015 at 11:21 AM
Rohit shetty makes substandard stuff (prefer kjo crap over shetty crap! )
55 crwhores in the 3 day weekend (festival holiday bonanza) is too low even with competing release
Anything less than 100 crwhores first weekend isn’t serious box office
Am not interested in sub100 weekends
What d heck
๐
PRDP will achieve that tho…
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November 10, 2015 at 11:29 AM
maybe for bansali second time lucky,i think its a waste pitching against dilwale…maybe the film becomes boring but srk brand will get to final line….bansali will struggle more if his films had bad wom
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November 10, 2015 at 11:48 AM
for Dilwale to get to 250 it can’t be liked less than CE and BM must also be more or less a failure. It’s true that CE today would have done 250 probably (certainly going by the same producer totals). But CE was liked more than many of these big films. It wasn’t ETT. But you can get ETT-like numbers and everyone will still call it huge and what not. Just that those numbers won’t be enough to get you to 250. Of course if BM is a slow starter and then doesn’t do much after that or stays stable at a very low end then Dilwale is more or less like a solo release. My own instinct watching the trailer is that it won’t trend as well as CE. It will have to make up the difference by opening bigger. But I could be wrong about this. I’m certainly expecting an easy success here but the trailer is more uneven than many other Shetty ones (though I don’t agree with those who say this is a poorer Shetty trailer).
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November 10, 2015 at 1:49 PM
I’m still willing to put this at 250 crores irrespective of all factors.
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November 10, 2015 at 1:52 PM
Yeah it certainly can’t do less than CE. Otherwise it would seem underwhelming.
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November 10, 2015 at 1:57 PM
Bhansali can still move this to 31st Dec or 1st Jan 2016, he’ll still get the benefit of holiday weekend release and good 2 weeks break from Dilwale and there is no competition in new releases as well. Its silly not to do that.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:03 PM
those aren’t good dates though.. films releasing immediately before or after such major dates (certainly Christmas or Diwali) usually don’t do well. Certainly I can’t think of an example where a film has done that and worked.
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November 10, 2015 at 1:58 PM
There is no way it will open bigger than CE.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:00 PM
I wouldn’t count that out.. a Rohit shetty film at this stage ought to open much bigger than a Farah Khan film. Even if that doesn’t happen in absolute terms because of the competition it should still be huge.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:05 PM
Krish: ” I am pretty sure even with competition Dilwale will have a 30 cr plus day 1 on a working Friday.”
PK did about 26 crores on same day last year (Dec 19 working friday) and on single release and that too for Aamir Khan and Raju Hirani combo coming after 3I. So, you expect Dilwale to do 30 crores with another release along with it and half the screens of PK? Kya logic hai..
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November 10, 2015 at 2:20 PM
yes but Hirani’s films are never stupendous on opening day.. this is a point I’ve made before as well.. his films are much more low key compared to these all out blockbusters and though they start very strongly they don’t push the limits of what’s possible.
of course it’s more about the first weekend anyway. Just getting to the biggest first day isn’t the day of the world. It’s more about relative trending across the weekend and then of course beyond.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:26 PM
hmm, didn’t know that PK did only 26 crore on same date last year.
So than what are people smoking expecting it to open bigger with a competition from a movie budget bigger than dilwale.
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November 10, 2015 at 2:39 PM
Realisticly I don’t see Dilwale doing more than 50 to 60 crore for the first weekend. If BM moves than it changes equation.
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November 10, 2015 at 3:55 PM
@Satyam, Hirani’s movies do open huge opening day. He has had 4 films…MBBS didn’t open big but no one expceted that to and I dont remember how LRMB did but both 3I and PK and have had huge openings Day 1. 3 Idiots had the biggest day 1 ever and biggest weekend ever, and PK, had one of the biggest opening days ever, and definitely the 1-2nd biggest non holiday release considering that it was a working day. 3 Idiots absolutely destroyed and created new opening benchmarks- the opening weekend was some massive 40 crores which was unheard of at the time (and even now its huge).
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November 10, 2015 at 5:39 PM
yes 3I did have the biggest number at the time, before that it was Ghajini. But by and large that’s not true for Hirani. It’s wasn’t true for LRM nor PK. Incidentally I was only referring to opening day, not the weekend.
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November 10, 2015 at 5:23 PM
why are there excuses already being made if doesn’t open up to standards? on paper this film should open 30cr+ at the very least even with BM releasing on the same day. SRK/Kajol combo should in itself should bring an additional audience that usually doesn’t check out a RS film. D3 opened to 36cr total on a non-holiday around same time period.
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November 10, 2015 at 7:18 PM
Any reason why PK opened to 26 crore only on same day with no competition despite having a combo of Hirani/Aamir?
So D3, riding high on dhoom franchise opened to 36 crore but you want dilwale to open to more than 30 crore despite another movie releasing with it which is bigger budget than dilwale, Also having probably good 30 to 40% less screens than D3?
What’s the logic?
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November 10, 2015 at 11:07 PM
Z, PK wasn’t a big starter by any means. Dilwale will be. Lets put it this way, CE opened to a 100 cr weekend when SRK was coming on the back of some poor releases. How can anyone say that this one will open at 60 cr. the competition will take sme screen count yes, and that’s why this wont get to a 40 cr day 1. But 30 cr is a fair aim for this one. And I say it again from all the BO reading I have done so far in my life, I will doff my hat to bhansali if his film makes more than 7 cr on day 1
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November 10, 2015 at 11:28 PM
PK’s opening day was underwhelming…but we are talking about different genres and different ‘kind’ of an audience. IMO movies like Dilwale and D3 is always going to be a front loaded film. This means a huge opening should be expected..and you add in SRK/Kajol factor…the dhawan kid on a hot streak…this is why on paper it *should* open huge.
OK if ‘Fan’ or ‘Raees’ were releasing the standards should be lowered..but not with this huge film…even with BM releasing against it. Lets face it…the majority of theater space will be given to Dilwale…30cr should be the starting point for an opening here. BM does not look all that impressive and the star cast is weak on top of that, then add in a very niche audience for a Bhansali film…all I’m saying the high expectations should not be lowered for Dilwale.
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November 11, 2015 at 7:41 AM
D3 did 36 crore on full screen counts, and you’re going to give Dilwale about 60%, but want dilwale to make 30 crore?
Logic tells me take 60% of 36 crore and that’s what you’ll end up with and that would be high end because you’ll have to assume that nobody wants to see BM and all will save money to watch Dilwale only.
I think opening day will be around 18 crore and occupency would have to be in 80% to get to that.
All will depend on what’s the final screen count.
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November 11, 2015 at 1:47 PM
Lets wait for the screen count. No way BM will get so many screens. no exhibitor in the right mind will give it that much screen space. I am assuming a screen count of 3200 for D and 1600 to 1700 for BM and even there big single screen will give it at best 1 to 2 shows and that too matinee. If I get my screen count wrong then obviously the totals won’t be achieved. But why would SRK announce the date of release unless he has some confidence on screen count. He is not releasing a movie – a mass masala movie – to get a 18 crore day 1.
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November 10, 2015 at 5:40 PM
“Hiraniโs movies do open huge opening day.”
“on paper this film should open 30cr+ at the very least even with BM releasing on the same day.”
can someone remind us how much did PK did on the opening day with NO Bajiaro mastani competition
forget it, it had absolutely NO competing release
and a hirani movie after ages and aamir after D3….
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November 10, 2015 at 11:16 PM
Simply put, all things being equal, sRK can open a masala movie bigger than Aamir. Pk wasn’t a masala movie, it never started off well, CE is a circus, and it will open gigantic. Well even bang bang opened close to 25 cr when opening with haider. SRK can surely open bigger than Hritik and 30 cr is surely there for the taking,
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November 11, 2015 at 12:12 AM
Krish, I’ve read your comments and let me summarize them. You think Dilwale should ideally open at 40 crore but since its release with BM, 7-8 crores will be lost, so ideally it should release around 30 crores, right?
Lets see… You are adding 7-8 crores for BM which is not very wrong but the point is that theater can have as low as 20% capacity but it is still blocking lot of screen space and shows at multiplexes and single screens which would have helped Dilwale in increasing its collections.
So, based on your scenario –
Working Day; D = 30, BM = 8
Holiday both, D = 40, BM = 13.
Holiday solo, D = 50 crores.
So, basically a working Friday has to do almost 40 crores 1st day collection and that’ll be 1st time.
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November 11, 2015 at 5:57 AM
Master a good reference point is bangbang which opened with haider and didn’t open great but did around 25 crores. I expect D to open far better so 30 crores seem reasonable. But even BM will open in more theatres than the 1100 of haider. But then the number of theatres have also grown since then. If there were no competition I would have expected D to match the D3 opening day. The D3 brand is bigger but D would be releasing in more theatres to balance the brand. PRDP is releasing in 500 more theatres than HNY which released last year. Yes we should ideally wait for final screen count before making claims but I don’t see BM getting more than 1500 screens which compares well with Haiders screen count.
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November 11, 2015 at 7:46 AM
Haider wasn’t a big budget movie where it’s budget was bigger than bang bang. Haider didn’t have single screens blocked due to help of contracting with movie like Bajrangi Bhaijan.
BM has a lot of single screens blocked alredy due to distributor contracting it as a bundled product with Bajrangi Bhaijan.
BM isn’t a small movie like Haider. BM budget is more than Dilwale.
You can compare bang bang/haider with something like OSO/sawariya, not dilwale/BM.
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November 11, 2015 at 8:46 AM
“Master a good reference point is bangbang which opened with haider and didnโt open great but did around 25 crores.”
But but but… Oct 2nd was a holiday and BangBang did very good by opening at 25 crores with another release. You are comparing regular working friday with one of the complete national holidays with even a bigger competition movie.
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November 11, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Despite the holiday bang bang,s opening wasn’t great shakes. If it had opened like a big movie, it would have done much more. I also don’t think BM will get more than 1500 screens even with whatever they have blocked as part of the BB deal. Haider had around 1000 screens, if haider had opened today it might have got 1200 maybe. And neither of the two movies were any great openers. I think Dilwale will open well and will get to 30 cr on 3000 to 3200 screens. I think that’s pretty much what CE did give and take a few crores on a similar screen count. I do agree though a lot of this is based on screen count. Now if D is getting nly around 2700 screens it won’t get that 30 cr figure. But I don’t think SRK will be releasing it with BM if he wasn’t confident of screen space and content.
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November 11, 2015 at 8:57 AM
I disagree on the masala bit.. Ghajini remains one of the biggest openings around.. even in today’s money it would be so.Aamir doesn’t do masala that often. But you’re not comparing apples with apples anyway. Agneepath opened big. Bang Bang isn’t the usual masala. How did each of the don films open? Not that big. The second one was a Chrstmas release, had no competition, was still sluggish. Now doing a film with the biggest director around is a somewhat different matter. No one is saying he isn’t contributing to the total but there’s simply no evidence for the claim that SRK’s opening masala better than Aamir! Now with Hrithik and despite Agneepath (one could say this is a remake and has that buzz and so on.. but both Dons opened weaker than this) it’s perhaps fair to say he is’t most credible for masala (though Bang Bang is Hollywoodized action and stunts far more than masala). But the kinds of ‘blockbuster’ like deals SRK takes up with lots of things added to it in all sorts of ways from Farah Khan to Shetty (of course Shetty is a brand-name on his own) is a bit different from doing a purer narrative based masala film like Ghajini or else doing nothing masala films like Salman which don’t have much going for them besides him.
Now I do agree with you that Dilwale ought to open big. Might agree with some of your numbers as well. I’m not going to underplay it like some others here seem to be doing. But I do disagree with the comparisons you’re drawing.
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November 11, 2015 at 12:40 AM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/we-have-a-million-reasons-to-hate-dilwale-trailer-here-re-13/story-zBLNY13GMLPmyDAYEHyB3I.html
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November 11, 2015 at 5:46 AM
Ha, thanks for the link.
I’ve another 39 to add – but I’ll spare some lovers of the trailer above.
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November 11, 2015 at 5:49 AM
Also – if the link’s seen widely online – it might have an irreversible effect on its opening.
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November 11, 2015 at 7:53 AM
Don’t think such kind of tirade can have any kind of impact on opening of a movie.If this would have been the case then no movie of Bollywood would have worked after seeing the reviews of Rajeev Masand Masnd. ๐๐
There many other articles where trailer has been liked very much and one should never fell in the trap of media. I didn’t this trailer and that is enough reason for me to believe that trailer is bad but at the same time this trailer has created history for likes/views on YouTube and Facebook.
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November 11, 2015 at 7:51 AM
LOL, funny, I’m sure you can do that for all masala movie trailer.
But this is what in a way helps SRK the most. More than his fans, his hater spends more time on SRK than his fans.
Keeps him in news.
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November 11, 2015 at 10:39 AM
But this is what in a way helps SRK the most. More than his fans, his hater spends more time on SRK than his fans.
Keeps him in news.
Z,
what makes you think that bollywood revolves around srk,dont flatter yourself…
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November 11, 2015 at 10:58 AM
well, I know we have at least 2 haters here whose life revolves around SRK ๐
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November 11, 2015 at 11:12 AM
yes the world is full of SRK haters, Salman haters, Bachchan haters, Aamir haters, Hrithik haters, Akshay haters.. etc etc. What to do? There are no fans around..
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November 11, 2015 at 10:57 AM
too bad it doesn’t translate into the biggest grosses for SRK.. he evidently doesn’t have enough hatersโฆ hey at least he’s rich!
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November 11, 2015 at 11:01 AM
He gets one of the biggest opening, if not the biggest. Put others in his movies without changing a frame and it won’t make what it makes with SRK in it.
Yes, he is rich, super rich and famous.
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November 11, 2015 at 11:11 AM
he gets some of the biggest openings ‘conditionally’. He doesn’t get them like Salman where you put him in anything and it’s huge. He also doesn’t get the biggest openings relative to genre like Aamir (we’ll be able do compare Dangal with Raees or Fan pretty soon..!). He certainly isn’t close to the biggest grosses. Tell the whole story. Don’t just make it about opening day when it’s HNY and Dilwale! of course it’s another matter that you’re already offering half a dozen excuses for Dilwale. If it does get a massive opening then it will be a different story. Before calling anyone else a ‘hater’ examine your own opportunistic and cynical statements!
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November 11, 2015 at 11:53 AM
Z,
Yes, he is rich, super rich and famous.I would not go that far,
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November 11, 2015 at 11:41 AM
Lol@ bringing Bachchan in the frame of Hrithik, Amir, Salman and Srk. I have many times requested to come back to earth as living on Mars doesn’t suit your health any more.
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November 11, 2015 at 11:45 AM
thanks for proving my point..! as for Mars you’re the one who keeps visiting this blog. No one forces you to makes these flights from Earth to Mars..
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November 11, 2015 at 11:49 AM
charanraj,
I thoght you were not srk fan.amazingly when bachan name appears you seems to jump to abuse him,only srk fan hates bachan…
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November 11, 2015 at 11:57 AM
charanraj,
just incase you did not know,maybe you have visited planet mars in recent times,what happened in earth in recent times is… see charan,bachan names will appear in recent times
Three Bollywood actors ranked in the top 10. Amitabh Bachchan and Salman Khan each made $33.5 million to tie at seventh placeโthatโs more than Chris Pratt and Ben Affleck combined. Bachchan, 72, out-earns the next oldest actor on the list, 63-year-old Taken star Liam Neeson, by $14 million, thanks to his roles in flicks such as 2014โฒs Bhoothnath Returns. Bachchan bolsters his earnings as the longstanding host of Indiaโs version of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire? (Bachchanโs version of the show, Kaun Banega Crorepati, recorded an average weekly viewership of 5.2 million in its 8th season, which aired in 2014.)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/natalierobehmed/2015/08/04/bollywoods-highest-paid-meet-the-indian-actors-making-more-than-u-s-stars/
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November 11, 2015 at 12:03 PM
it’s best to drop this topic now.. a few comments are ok, otherwise the same thing goes on endlessly.. not blaming you.. just saying this for everyone.
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November 11, 2015 at 8:00 AM
PRDP is already at 93% on BMS by hardcore fans while no one has yet seen it.
93%
17,020 votes
http://in.bookmyshow.com/national-capital-region-ncr/movies/prem-ratan-dhan-payo/ET00025076
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November 11, 2015 at 12:03 PM
Vijay
Where have I abused Bachchan? I have just raised my voice against injustice๐๐๐!!! Better to understand the comments first and then come up with any conclusion.
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November 11, 2015 at 12:12 PM
Vijay
I wonder why Satyam himself hasn’t put the link here? Has he called for your help by phone, Whatsapp or Fb?
II can debate with you over the said matter but since you’r suffering from comphrenshion problem, it’s needless to discuss anything further.So, be at peace and enjoy Bachchan’s wealth on papers. ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
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November 11, 2015 at 12:15 PM
charanraj,
be at peace and enjoy Bachchanโs wealth on papers. ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ its all in black and white,signed sealed and delivered…cannot see srk in that list..yes he is 18th…
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November 11, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Reason for SRK’s Intolerence ?
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shah-rukh-khan-questioned-again-over-ipl-financial-irregularities-1242416?utm_source=ndtv&utm_medium=top-stories-widget&utm_campaign=story-8-http%3a%2f%2fwww.ndtv.com%2findia-news%2fshah-rukh-khan-questioned-again-over-ipl-financial-irregularities-1242416
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November 11, 2015 at 11:35 AM
there might well be a link.. there are always consequences to doing these things.. not just with this govt but really any govt. And since stars like anyone else do a lot of financial transactions that aren’t aboveboard they are always vulnerable on many of these issues. Of course the IPL represents one of the great scams in this sense anyway. Everyone had a piece of it from the politicians to the stars involved and so on.
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November 11, 2015 at 12:30 PM
Raghav,
USA has a black president, does that means there is no racism in USA?
It’s silly to state that there is no intolerance in India or any part of the world.
Just because SRK\Salman\Aamir or any other muslim in India is rich/famous doesn’t mean that there is no intolerence. They might not have faced it but millions have.
And it’s not even just about religion, it could be caste system, neighborhood, etc…
We Indians are very emotional people and any little thing at any moment can spark a huge fire.
You saw what Godhra did to India.
What would happen in India if something like 9/11 happens where over 3,000 perished in few minutes?
I don’t want to start a debate or argument on this topic but wanting to say this for past few days when this was a big topic last week or week before it.
India is beautiful and the people of India are too but we do get little carried away very easily.
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November 11, 2015 at 2:29 PM
agreed on all counts..
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November 11, 2015 at 11:55 AM
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November 11, 2015 at 11:56 AM
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November 11, 2015 at 12:10 PM
No review out sofar ๐ฆ
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November 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM
btw any one knows when BM music is releasing ? I am surprised it is not out yet.
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November 11, 2015 at 12:13 PM
Raghav, why do you keep posting PRDP items in Dilwale trailer thread?
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November 11, 2015 at 12:16 PM
Z,
i cant see anything wrong with it…maybe dilwale needs a bit of support..
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November 11, 2015 at 12:36 PM
Satyam, you see anything wrong with Vijay comment here? How should I respond to it?
I don’t want to drag down the credibility of this site by keep on responding to vijays childish posts…
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November 11, 2015 at 2:26 PM
yes I wasn’t targeting anyone in particular.. my only point was that even if silly stuff is put up it’s best not to keep responding because irrespective of whoever’s in the right everything else gets drowned out.
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November 11, 2015 at 2:26 PM
yes people should stick to the proper threads.. if they’re not sure they should put it in the box office post. It’s a bit of hassle shifting stuff around.
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November 11, 2015 at 7:01 PM
“Simply put, all things being equal, SRK can open a movie bigger than Aamir.”
this ADMISSION is significant ..& honest
“Masala’ my foot—will include salman and Hrithik also to this list ..
This one line is actually the LINE OF THE DECADE ๐
This one line has wiped off REAMS AND BOOKS of spin…by ‘satyam’ & his ilk…
theres NOTHING that can explain a 25 odd crores opening day for PK solo festival release, period…
now lemme see if salman solo in festival release breaches 50 crores opening day (or atleast 45)….
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November 11, 2015 at 7:16 PM
luckily you won’t become our guide to what’s ‘significant’ and ‘honest’ anytime soonโฆ.!
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November 12, 2015 at 12:05 AM
OT:
Anyone watched In the Company of Men?
Reviews needed. Can’t find a good print though.
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November 18, 2015 at 10:39 AM
Gerua Song
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November 18, 2015 at 11:17 AM
The songs looks/sounds good.
Get ready for a month of non-stop promotion by Dilwale and BM teams.
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November 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM
they have the entire music video here!
I wish some of these guys would go a bit easy on the digital manipulation when it comes to their faces! At least he won’t look like this in most of the film.
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November 18, 2015 at 11:50 AM
“digital manipulation when it comes to their faces”
Didn’t see much of an issue there, if any.
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November 18, 2015 at 11:56 AM
I see what you’re saying but this actually works within the story since there’s it spans about 15 years. You would want the younger version to look young.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:08 PM
yes I knew that.. my only issue (not that this is the only example) is that things start looking unreal beyond a point.
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November 18, 2015 at 11:51 AM
I wish they would use Udit, Abhijeet, Kumar Sanu, etc.. They would add some freshness to the songs instead of listening to all these new singers who all sounds pretty much same.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:07 PM
agreed..
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November 18, 2015 at 2:45 PM
Each one had identity and uniqueness be it good or bad. You can easily tell who the singer is.
Now I can’t tell one from another unless I listen to it carefully.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:17 PM
Lol, I thought Iceland song is their USP and something to watch in the movie and they released the whole song before release!
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November 18, 2015 at 2:39 PM
HAHAHA, I was thinking the samething.
If they do same for all new trailers, we’ll get to see the whole movie before it releases.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:43 PM
On the other hand.. Dhoom 3 just put out 30 second teasers for their songs and wanted people to check them out on big screen. Showing full song as 1st look doesn’t make no sense unless its a promotional song.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:48 PM
Yeah, it’s a very odd strategy. Not sure what SRK promotional think-tank team is thinking on this.
May be part of it is to scare off Bhansali or show the movie theatre owners, look what we’re coming with that will look awesome on big screen.
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November 19, 2015 at 10:37 AM
Z: I was thinking about this strategy and I think the main reason could be that Rohit Shetty’s movies have always had weak songs and none of the movies ever did good business of their songs. For his audience songs are not at all important and his movies do good in spite of that ‘bad’ songs. He has no reason to believe that songs can effect his movie in anyway.. when without songs his movies did good.. he can as well release whole song instead of 2 mins songs (its like aur 2 min se kya farq hoga) and movie still can do good based on his content. I think the risk here is less compared to a Dhoom 3 where songs are its USP.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:52 PM
By the way, great visuals in this song but as far as the song and singers are concerned, it pales in comparison to other famous SRK/Kajol love songs.
Maybe it’ll grow on me later but for now the song doesn’t sound all that great.
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November 18, 2015 at 2:58 PM
hardly any good songs these days. At least outside a Rahman soundtrack. They just aim for passable stuff in most films. Even the pure romances these days have mostly poor soundtracks. There are of course exceptions but very few in any calendar year. Of course when I say ‘poor’ I also have a certain film music tradition in mind. What you have these days even on some of the better days is a kind of popular or rock ‘kitsch’ that everyone likes. Specially those crooning ‘ballads’! I don’t mind some of them myself but again they all sound the same in every sense and in any case have nothing to do with those richer archives of film music. Yet another sense in which Bollywood has completely abandoned its history (which is of course different from adding new chapters to it). Most of Bollywood functions like boutique cinema at every end of the production spectrum. And here whatever I might think of the films I do cheer the resistance offered by Bollywood’s Telugu-inspired masala. From Salman to Shetty. On that note wonder why the two have never come together!
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November 18, 2015 at 3:12 PM
Over the weekend was watching this show that comes on TVAsia (Abhi To Main Jawan Hoon). They showed a song of Sashi Kapoor with Rafi singing.
Now by no means Sashi Kapoor had image of being macho, he was considered more of chocolaty hero.
But the way he walked, moved his body in songs mad him look manly. You get a sense of being mardana (manly).
Now they all present themselves as some sort girl hidden in a 6-pack mans body.
There was certain style, certain charisma back than.
I would say even up to very early 2000, it was okay, after that it’s all down hill. As far as songs are concerned. Of course there’s exception here and there.
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November 18, 2015 at 9:21 PM
http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/news/343856/i-want-work-amitji-and-salman-khan-rohit-shetty
I want to work with Amitji and Salman Khan โ Rohit Shetty
“..And among actors, Rohit says his dream is to direct Amitabh Bachchan and Salman Khan. Bachchan had done a special song in Rohitโs directorial venture ‘Bol Bachchan’ few years back. โI want to work with him in a full-fledged film,” says Rohit. The director, known for his mass-entertainer films, had earlier said that he has been watching Bachchan since childhood and his films like Deewar, Zanjeer, Amar Akhtar Anthony are among his favourites. โI used to go on the sets of his films with my dad (veteran stunt-master-actor M B Shetty) and observe him. I still get scared when he is aroundโ, he was once quoted saying.
Besides Amitabh, Rohit would like to team up with Salman Khan obviously for an action-oriented film. “I would love to do a film with him. But it has to be something big for us to come together, like how I and Shah Rukh Khan came together for Chennai Express. I want the right script for Salman,” says Rohit.”
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November 19, 2015 at 12:20 AM
Agree songs are not the same and I don’t even expect them to be great anymore. This song needed Sonu but I think they wanted to use current singers to connect to younger folks and also capture different era singers.
The best part about this song I can say is that it races and not bored coz of the locations and very easy watch and audio as well. Just over 4 mins and its done. I get impatient watching songs usually but this one flew by.
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November 18, 2015 at 11:17 PM
just read this – ‘But it has to be something big for us to come together, like how I and Shah Rukh Khan came together for Chennai Express. I want the right script for Salman’
He must be kidding
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November 19, 2015 at 12:09 AM
I totally thought that rainbow near the waterfall is sureshot VFX but actually they mentioned it was real at that height. Someone posted this on location pic by a technician and rainbow is seen.
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November 19, 2015 at 12:10 AM
Can all songs of new dilwale put together match any of dilwale songs ?
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November 19, 2015 at 7:32 AM
I don’t think they goal was to better this Dilwale, lol…
I hope the movie doesn’t tank like this devgan Dilwale…
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November 19, 2015 at 7:57 AM
This dilwale was superhit in the times when video piracy hit its peak as my house owner saw on the same night as it released on vcr.
Moreover, its songs are still popular among masses.
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November 19, 2015 at 10:03 AM
yes, that was the peak for video piracy but it effected all movies.
Not sure how big of a superhit Dilwale was in comparison to other movies released in 1994 such as Mohra, Main anari to khiladi, yeh dillagi, raja babu, krantiveer, suhaag, etc…
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November 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM
That’s why I mention that DDLJ records are great compared to HAHK coz DDLJ was available on 1st day in video piracy whereas HAHK was not available until 6 months. HAHK was released in 1 theater per city and Rajshri had appointed their own personal to stop any video piracy and then slowly increased theaters after its 50 days completion. There was no pirated copy available and everyone had no choice to watch it on big screen and it started breaking records after 2months and by then it was accepted blockbuster in people’s mind and they preferred going to cinema.
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November 19, 2015 at 11:01 AM
“HAHK was released in 1 theater per city”
Imagine doing that now?
That’s why I say that movies of todays shouldn’t be compared to movies of yesteryears, especially the 60s, 70s, 80s.
Back than there were no choice but to see the movie in theatre and back than there were no other source of entertainment for most of the population except the movies in theatre.
One of the thing I noticed on my recent trip to India, how big WhatsApp is. It’s like every kid is on it thru out the day.
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November 19, 2015 at 11:43 AM
I don’t really agree with Master. HAHK had that release but nothing else did at that time or for many years leading upto it. Secondly video piracy hit the industry hard in the 80s, in the late 80s and specially early 90s it started recovering with new kinds of directors on the scene and especially with strong soundtracks. HAHK was an experimental release, it kept running but it wasn’t defying those other laws. It just did very well. Just as today you can have a film doing as well as 3I. It just has to be liked enough.
On the rest you can do these comparisons but you have to do them in sane ways. One test is to figure out how the big hits of any given age performed relative to the standards of that period. So for instance a Bachchan film wasn’t huge because today no one can reach that standard but because no one could in that age either. But secondly one can’t only structure the argument to argue defensively for the present. Because you also have much weaker content that’s disabling larger grossers or strongly trending films. It’s not a mystery why Aamir most of the time manages to prove this proposition. But secondly films are also being called hits at much lower levels. There are almost no standards in place anymore. Put differently one doesn’t have to go back to the 70s or 80s (the 80s was a very weak box office period anyway.. barring Bachchan). You would have to to discount even SRK’s films (or other hits) from the 90s following this logic. One would have to say that DDLJ or KKHH became big because things were not like today!
Comparisons can always be done but they have to be ‘deeper’ ones and not agenda-driven. So if one doesn’t like the fact that the present doesn’t offer the same sorts of hits one can’t try and deconstruct the past. Now it is entirely possible that there are factors that on balance privilege an age more than others. Not just for cinema but in every walk of life. But that’s just history. You don’t get the same set of conditions ever. You just have to do that ‘deep’ comparison across the ages but even this can never be a perfect. Some leaders are great not least because they also get great circumstances. Others might have been great but don’t get those conditions. This doesn’t mean however that everyone who gets the latter can become great. So one has to be careful with these claims.
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November 19, 2015 at 1:12 PM
Satyam: I think you need to start thinking beyond ‘agenda’ in every post. I remember owning DVD pirated cassette in 1 week after DDLJ’s release and saw it multiple times over next 6 months but always went out to check HAHK in cinemas. That is from personal experience and that is still not to say HAHK is lesser hit but it had lesser piracy issues with movies of that era and eventually people loved to watch it on big screen once the word was out that its great movie.
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November 19, 2015 at 1:22 PM
wasn’t referring to an ‘agenda’ with respect to that point you made (though you must ask the opposite question.. what other example is thereof a movie that started in a one screen and gradually expanded? There is none at least after the 70s.. a film that has that sort of graph is probably not going to be hurt all that much by piracy.. but let’s extend this logicโฆ maybe Fanaa isn’t doing as much as DDLJ because of piracy? because it’s just a greater factor in 2006 than it is in 1995! this is my problem with all of these examples.. you can’t just use two films.. you have to take that logic further everywhere..). I was talking about a larger move where any greater success in the past is always ‘accounted’ this way. By suggesting that some ‘special’ conditions held in the past that allowed for greater success then or whatever. An ‘agenda’ also does not mean that one actively and maliciously does these things. But one must question why one so easily accepts these explanations in certain directions or why one uses limited examples to prove a point and so on.
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November 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM
“wasnโt referring to an โagendaโ with respect to that point you made (though you must ask the opposite question.. what other example is thereof a movie that started in a one screen and gradually expanded? There is none at least after the 70s..”
Maine Pyar Kiya also followed the same format. It released in 1 theater and gradually increased. There it is…
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November 19, 2015 at 1:27 PM
yes but Maine Pyar Kiya starred nobodies, not major stars! I was referring to major films. But again let’s accept your point at face value. Maybe HAHK did a lot more because of these advantages. But then what of DDLJ compared to many other films after 2000 when downloads and what not made the same piracy even easier?
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November 19, 2015 at 1:25 PM
Also.. same reason it was impossible to get MPK pirated copy during its release in first 6 months. Eventually had to checkout multiple times in cinemas.
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November 19, 2015 at 1:29 PM
It’s very hard for me to believe that Barjatya was the only person in the world who somehow managed to beat piracy and no one else figured this out. It’s one thing to say this for HAHK. Might have been an exceptional case. They did watch this carefully (though it didn’t take me 6 months to get a copy for either one of those films.. HAHK took longer.. MPK was pretty soon..).
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November 19, 2015 at 1:46 PM
“Itโs very hard for me to believe that Barjatya was the only person in the world who somehow managed to beat piracy and no one else figured this out. Itโs one thing to say this for HAHK. Might have been an exceptional case. They did watch this carefully ”
That also depends on your area. The main point is that once they started to send the reels to every theater in the city.. the piracy didn’t start. It was controlled very much and was given to the theater owners they had relations from years/decades. Theater owners were carefully chose for the first expansion which was after 2 months(50 days) and then another big expansion was after 100 days. Actually it was coming to regular theaters during its silver jubilee week and then we saw some pirated copies during that time. Also cable owners were very scared to show that movie on cable as they were scared they would be jailed(For instance.. Baazigar(not Darr), Khiladi, Salman’s movies was telecast on my local cable on its 1st week which was very norm in that times)
I’m very much into movies at that age and I remember it was during the silver jubilee week and I don’t have any proofs.. but you can take my post as an agenda and move on. ๐
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November 19, 2015 at 5:18 PM
as I said before as well it’s not about an agenda with reference to this point. But even accepting everything you’re saying as true (and I didn’t disbelieve it earlier either) this cannot be the only example of such things. As I keep saying maybe Fanaa would have done more had it released when DDLJ did or maybe DDLJ would have done a lot less had it released 10 years later. Again my question isn’t about HAHK vs DDLJ but about why this is the only example you have. Not on that specific piracy issue. Just overall.
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November 19, 2015 at 2:01 PM
So, that’s why I felt DDLJ doing as much as it without all those control is good enough and shows huge love for the movie in the audience. Its not like it did half of HAHK.. that time there were many articles.. will it cross HAHK and so on but it felt short which is fine for everyone concerned as it did enough business.
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November 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM
Dilwale was a huge grosser sand not even in the same universe as those films you’ve mentioned. Most of those were really in the average/above average category, a couple were hits or better. But nothing huge either way. DDLJ was also way ahead of KKHH, again DTPH was not close even to the latter let alone the former. HAHK was of course in a league of its own. But otherwise DDLJ was one of the big ones of that period. Then there was RH (which grossed as much as KKHH but assuredly sold far more tickets.. a larger share of its business came from smaller centers). Karan Arjun was also very successful but not as big as RH. Earlier in the 90s there were some significant hits but in the post DDLJ period nothing outgrosses it (HAHK was a year earlier) till you get to Gadar. the difference in gross between the two is still not that much but Gadar again was a small town monster so it sold many more tickets probably. Certainly no SRK film has been as successful as DDLJ. But there is nothing as successful as KKHH either in his body of work since. And what I mean by that is a combination of initial coupled with trending and then of course the final gross. But in this entire period first the major metros and then the multiplexes drove the Bollywood economy. So no film doing that well in smaller centers could be a huge grosser (Vivaah for example) and even the films that did well across the board couldn’t automatically become the biggest hits unless these same films were really successful in major centers. In any case things have been very different from a number of years now. Barring Aamir’s films and exceptions here and there no film doubles its week 1 number. On most of the ‘blockbusters’ the ratio is 70:30 and no one thinks this is a problem. Even as late as 2007 very different standards were in play. OSO in 2007 doubled its week 1 number more or less. In 2004 VZ faded relatively fast after a strong start, especially in Bombay. But it still doubled its week 1. MP, judged unfairly even by the standards of 2005, probably had a 60:40 ratio at worst. When you look at those hits of the 90s and even beyond this their ratios were far better. MHN itself had a somewhat better ratio than VZ (and of course the latter was a much bigger film). But these standards have been declining over the years. Not surprisingly. These films are made just for that initial big bang. They’re like extended trailers. At best they’re passable. Even if one likes them a bit more than that one wouldn’t dream of watching them a second time. And it shows. But you have a mushrooming of screens and prints (easier with digital copies) and you can really jack up the numbers for films that generate enough interest. And you get these huge numbers but you pretend that trending and all the other ‘laws’ don’t apply as they do in every other industry including in the rest of India (they do in Bollywood too but the trade pretends otherwise.. except when the true big hit arrives in which case from BOI to Adarsh everyone talks about trending! So the film is somehow a hit on day 2 — BOI on PRDP — even if it fizzles out very soon and then if it adds a 100 crores or more to such a total one can call it an ATBB or something, which term has also been abused beyond belief.. if Bajrangi is an ATBB I’m a secret RSS ideologue..) and we have the present. Now you can’t fool people completely. No one really thinks PRDP is a hit because as far as I can gauge people have mostly disliked it. HNY was in the same category. But with a Shetty film people feel the opposite. Because most people find it passable. It’s just a low bar. So most people think ETT is a hit. It’s a game of impressions but it’s correlated with box office realities only to the extent that the latter bar is just very low. People just don’t expect more than ‘passable’ most days and they then define this as a hit. When they dislike a film in large numbers they tend to disbelieve trade reports or whatever that assert the contrary. Still it’s a propaganda battle and hence the trade goes on and on with a certain message.
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November 19, 2015 at 12:02 PM
I think just calling it a hit or flop is good enough, no need to get into average, above average, hit, super hit, block buster, etc…
Most people in India are this way, they look at movie with perception of it’s either hit or a flop.
I still have not seen DDLJ, I’ve seen it in bits and pieces but not the whole movie. Will have to check it out someday.
On piracy, I remember watching movies where bottom half of the screen was filled with ads, very annoying but those were the only available video cassettes in USA.
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November 19, 2015 at 1:25 PM
You’re probably right about the first point but the box office often tells us more than people ‘know’.
On DDLJ amazed you haven’t see it!
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November 19, 2015 at 12:48 PM
Maybe I am wrong but raghav was talking about Ajay Devgans Dilwale and not DDLJ when he said Dilwaale
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November 19, 2015 at 1:17 PM
LOL, didn’t see that.. then my comment is irrelevant!
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November 19, 2015 at 12:24 AM
For some reason it leaves me cold. Saw it once, on the smartphine. Dont feel the urge to watch it again. Why gerua?
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November 19, 2015 at 12:27 AM
“For some reason it leaves me cold.”
Coz it was shot in Iceland! ๐
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November 19, 2015 at 1:20 AM
You prefer “Hara” (Green)? ๐
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November 19, 2015 at 6:42 AM
I thought with passage of time, age and
maturity, there’ll be some change in Srk
but he still seems to be living in DDLJ era. Not impressed with this video and only watched it full for Kajol. I think this
film may turn out total garbage and BM may eat it. I am worried about Kajol now. Why she did this film?
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November 19, 2015 at 7:29 AM
Don’t worry about Kajol, this film will be her biggest earner from her other films past 15 years.
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November 19, 2015 at 8:49 AM
That’s a crappy song. I cannot recollect a worse kajol SRK song. They need to get the messaging of this movie right. A good song or two will help too considering this is not a solo release.
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November 19, 2015 at 9:35 AM
It’s a business-as-usual song. Don’t think it’s much worse than countless others.
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November 19, 2015 at 10:06 AM
Take out visuals and it’s a crappy song.
I do agree it’s not any worse than countless others.
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November 19, 2015 at 10:13 AM
I dont like this sonfg at all..visuals are OK, might look better on big screen. Sounds similar to manvaa laage from HNY
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November 19, 2015 at 10:50 AM
I saw it on my 80″ HDTV and it looks amazing…
It can only look even better on big screen.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:16 AM
It is not that bad. Of course the visuals make it bearable.
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November 19, 2015 at 10:15 AM
Yeah possible.. but it also comes from a fact that Rohit Shetty who has weak music ears have approved this and he wouldn’t go for classic romantic songs like Karan or Adi Chopra like Tere Naina, Tujhe Dekha, Sooraj Hua Madham.. so on. This is kinda pacy romantic song a-la Rohit Shetty style.
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November 19, 2015 at 10:54 AM
Master, agree with your points on that songs have no barring on Rohit Shetty movies boxoffice outcome.
But I do think, if you have super hit songs, it can help collect more.
BM is supposed to have a function to release another trailer which is supposed to be high on action.
I think both of these movies will collect same with Dilwale collecting more assuming it’s not a real bad movie.
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November 19, 2015 at 11:14 AM
Rivalry be damned, Bhansali-SRK bond big at the Bachchan bash
Evidence of the SLB-SRK dosti was on full display at the Bachchans’ Diwali party.
According to a star-guest at the Diwali bash, “Bhansali and Shah Rukh bonded big time at the Bachchans’ on Diwali. When they met, they hugged one another and were seen locked in serious conversation for a good half an hour. Shah Rukh congratulated SLB on the songs of Bajirao Mastani and Bhansali expressed happiness over the trailer of Dilwale.”
According to those in the know, the two buddies have promised one another there won’t be any backbiting and bitching about one another’s film.
Says a reliable source. “SLB and SRK are not going to fall into the trap this time of getting into a slinging match as they did in 2007 Diwali when Saawariya and Om Shanti Om were released simultaneously. Their films are coming together. But sorry, there will no fireworks between Bhansali and SRK this Christmas.”
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/16783955/Rivalry-be-damned-Bhansali-SRK-bond-big-at-the-Bachchan-bash
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November 20, 2015 at 1:35 AM
It’s business nothing personal. huh!
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November 20, 2015 at 7:34 AM
SRK has more to lose than bhansali in this one. SRK is distributing the Dilwale too.
But SRK does make a lot of money on the movies thru other venues like advertisement and other stuff.
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November 20, 2015 at 9:40 AM
Dilwale will possible get the highest pre-release prices and almost all Rohit Shetty movies do well on Satellite!
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TV rights of SRK’s ‘Dilwale’ sold for Rs 60 crore?
This is said to be the start of a nearly Rs 220 crore deal between Shah Rukh Khan’s production house and a leading television network
Barely four months ago, Shah Rukh Khan’s Red Chillies Entertainments (RCE) had plunged into the distribution market for his upcoming film, ‘Dilwale’. Now we hear the production company has entered into a ‘strategic alliance’ with TV network Multi Screen Media (MSM) to explore opportunities related to television, digital and film content.
Sources close to the star’s banner claim that MSM has acquired the satellite rights of ‘Dilwale’ for Rs 60 crore and the entire deal covering his next two to three creative projects comes to a whopping Rs 220 crore. “This is the first time in many years that the satellite rights of a movie has been sold before its release. The alliance involves some of the future creative content that RCE will make. Although not exclusive, it will be among the biggest and one-of-its-kind deals,” says a source. On April 10, hitlist had reported about the Rohit Shetty action-drama cracking the biggest music deal with Sony Music at Rs 19 crore.
Venky Mysore, CEO of RCE, confirms that the deal has been struck.
http://www.mid-day.com/articles/tv-rights-of-srks-dilwale-sold-for-rs-60-crore/16697175
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November 19, 2015 at 10:22 PM
Once upon a time, Shah Rukh Khan spread his arms and leaned backwards. Bollywood was never the same again.
One has strong desire to mention a phrase like ‘the rest was history’, but in case of Khan, the ‘history’ just keeps repeating itself. Over the years, Khan has struck that pose (or has been forced to) so many times that, although it can be categorized as his trademark, it sure has lost its charm.
http://www.firstpost.com/bollywood/watch-rohit-shetty-fails-miserably-at-trying-to-turn-back-the-clock-in-gerua-with-srk-and-kajol-2513934.html?utm_source=fp_hp
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November 20, 2015 at 12:24 AM
Hope to see more of Kajol and SRK. I dont care for Varun and Kriti.
The visuals of this song are simply extraordinary. Only the two. Not hundreds gyrating.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:30 AM
Very bad and boring song …… not interested in this movie at all.
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November 20, 2015 at 7:30 AM
But you will keep talking on it as you do for all SRK films.
I have a feeling you’re another strong candidate for FDFS for Dilwale ๐
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November 20, 2015 at 11:50 AM
Not at all .. not interested in such regular yawn inducing stuff .. i have not seen last 3-4 movies of either of Salman or SRK in theatre …
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November 20, 2015 at 12:29 PM
so why do you keep commenting on it?
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November 20, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Keep commenting ? I just put my view .. for promo. Its boring .. that’s it.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:53 AM
It is so pathetic to see the SRK and Kajol going through the motions , pretending to be two lovelorn teenagers. They look just about as fresh as a yesterday’s newspaper.
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November 20, 2015 at 9:46 AM
@sonunigam: I heard something today..And I realize more today, the Greatness of Suraj hua Maddham.. Thank you Karan, Sandesh and Shahrukh 4 it. Respects
@sonunigam: Loved Gerua… And I loved Suraj huaa maddham… Soooperb..
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November 20, 2015 at 10:17 AM
If Sonu was taken to sing Gerua the song will sound so much better.
Arjit is good for some types of songs he sings but not something like Gerua.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:56 PM
Suraj Hua Madham is very fluid..
The voice doesn’t suit SRK..though song is not bad.
This year I have liked – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xaEC5huDp8
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November 20, 2015 at 11:32 AM
I think if this disappoints like PRDP then the eid clash might get averted. Can’t see how SRK and Salman would want to sanction potentially two back to back disappointments in a row.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:32 PM
Did they say which Eid? I think they’re taking us for ride. Raees will come on Ramdan Eid and Sultan on Bakra Eid?
It’ll be funny if that is the case.
And Dilwale/BM will have no effect on Raees/Sultan.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Strangely even though Eid is Salman’s date but I feel Raees will open better against Sultan if released together.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:57 PM
If Sultan is made with masala, than raees won’t open better.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:53 PM
some coming songs of Dilwale.
“To Meri Premika” is catchy.
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November 20, 2015 at 12:55 PM
Janam Janam sounds very good, I hope Arjith Sing voice does justice to it.
Strangely, Gerua sounds better with pritam singing it.
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November 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM
Arijit peaked with ‘Tum Hi Ho’ from Ashiqui 2 and since then have never liked much among the new songs he has sung. Like this Gerua above he now sounds very superficial and never gets you into the right mood to invest in his music.
Have been enjoying Irfan Khan much more now few of his gems
Baarish – Yaariyaan
Dard Dilo Ke – Xpose
Jab Tum Chaho – PRDP
Tu Hi Tu – Kick
But his absolute best until has been Banjaara – Ek Villain
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November 20, 2015 at 1:38 PM
I wish Rafi could comeback as well as Kishor.
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November 20, 2015 at 1:58 PM
Even the next generation did not do too badly and i miss Udit Narayan, Sonu Nigam , Abhijeet , Sanu….
We should all thank Rahman for ruining Hindi music by bringing one note singers….esp Mohit Chauhan, Javed Ali ….one song wonders.
Rahman did Aye Ajnabi ( Dil Se ) with Udit and that became an instant classic…..so did Satrangi Re with Sonu Nigam. I will though credit Rahman for introducing Sukhwinder who I find in league of Rahet Fateh Ali
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November 20, 2015 at 2:00 PM
Can’t blame Rahman for bad singers…he is a musician
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November 20, 2015 at 2:10 PM
Bollywood has a herd mentality and runs after success….this is what happened when everyone started to queuing up to these one song wonders like Mohit (Masakali), Javed Ali( Kabhi Kabhi Aditi, JTYJN ).
These singers deceived us as most of the singing was digitized and enhanced and real base singers are nowhere to be found.
Give that โAbhi Mujhme Kahin’ from Agneepath to any of these new singers and listen to the outcomeโฆ..
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November 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM
Dhoni, totally agree.
Not only that, Rehman songs themselves are mostly one time wonder. His old songs were good/great but what has he done recently that still holds the audience a year later?
I hope some director/producer is smart enough to come up with a movie and take all old singers and make a sound track out of it. I bet you it will be an instant hit, assuming the songs are composed keeping melody in mind.
Bring back sanu, udit, abhijeet, SP, sonu. Heck, i’ll even take sudesh bhosle, vinod rathod, etc..
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November 20, 2015 at 2:26 PM
Funny thing is, rehman himself sounds pretty much like mohit, arjit, etc…
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November 20, 2015 at 2:31 PM
Agree and PRDP had that opportunity and wished they utilized them that but alas !! On top of that Sooraj sir ney song placement ki maa ki aankh kar di…!!
Even then PRDP music is better than rest of the crap we have had this year barring Bajrangi Bhaijaan which found new burst / meaning due to connection to the story line and film doing extremely well.
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November 20, 2015 at 10:23 PM
One cant have soulful singers singing for the current crop of actors. They all have one expression!
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November 21, 2015 at 9:38 AM
We’re not asking for Rafi, but can we have Udit, Sonu, abhijeet, sanu?
If anything, srk/salman/aamir/akshay should demand to have those singers instead of the ones from today.
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November 21, 2015 at 11:00 AM
the problem is that the latter music is the kind that excites a younger demographic today. Put differently if those other singers could attract as many people they would still be in business.
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November 21, 2015 at 11:42 AM
I think the logic is very simple.. during 2001.. they would think who’s the best and popular singer around? and Sonu gets Sooraj Hua Madham… now Pritam and team thinks.. who’s the best and popular singer around? Arijit gets the song. Its just that Arijit has huge fan following by wide margin in young singers (but its not songs like Gerua) and that matters!
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November 21, 2015 at 12:32 PM
yes that’s my point.. now I should say it’s also the case that you could have those older singers and cater to more of a family demographic. But the reason filmmakers generally wouldn’t make that trade is that the younger demographic is most likely to show up for a movie (and soon!) it’s interested. And to get it interested you need that kind of music. Ideally you should have a soundtrack that caters to all these segments but that’s still a ‘product’. A good soundtrack is not driven by just those considerations. But then films are also mostly made like that these days. Another thing which marks out Hirani. He’s willing to make the film he believes it and not overdo anything at any level to jazz things up. His soundtracks are never exceptional, they just sound better in the films, they could certainly be better but the point is that he’s not trying to deliver a product in that sense. But again he’s an exception. At least at that very commercial level.
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November 21, 2015 at 9:54 PM
Regarding old singers there is a heavy duty behind the scene copyright battle to which Sonu Nigam is at the helm leading that fight. Except probably KJO none of the producers have given inโฆ.so reason for senior singers not doing news songs is largely due to that.
Secondly the old lot srk/salman/aamir/akshay are still ruling the billing and one of the ways they are reinventing is by not only working with new/ younger heroines but also sound different and that is where Atif / Ankit / Arijit are coming in ….
The main issue these days is scant regard to โLyricsโ and lack of โIndian instrumentsโ being used in a song. Being Indians at the end of the day we are unable to live those songs as โstrings of our soulโ are attached to sitar ,santoor, tabla, flute etcโฆ.
At the cost of sounding repetitive listen to Mohd Irfan with Indian orchestra setting and with the lyrics to die for โ โJazbaat naye se mile hainโฆ. Jaane kya asar ye huaa hai …Ik aas mili phir mujhkoโฆ..Jo qubool kisi ne kiya hai
Mohd Irfan ( sorry not Irfan Khan as I wrote earlier) is incidentally product of Amul Star of India reality show which had everyone give him standing ovation to his Tadap Tadap ( HDDCS ) rendition.
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November 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM
Master:
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November 21, 2015 at 12:42 PM
Raghav:
It may be real , but it is still look wallpaper images which any one can do Photoshop. What’s the point of putting random images in songs and promoting whole film based on it and expect people to buy it. Whatever came out of dilwale sofar is pathetic and poor.
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November 21, 2015 at 3:52 PM
“Whatever came out of dilwale sofar is pathetic and poor”
Not everything can be Oscar materials like all the bachhan family films ๐
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November 21, 2015 at 5:27 PM
Other than some good locations and Kajol trying to act milf-y (& failing!) there’s nothing special about the Dilwale promos,.,
The saving grace should be rohit shettys crass and substandard (but appealing to masses) films and SRKs stardom & business acumen … (& also kriti Sanon)
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November 22, 2015 at 7:58 AM
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November 22, 2015 at 8:37 AM
what are you referring to here? The poll?
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November 22, 2015 at 9:51 AM
Yes. The poll shows 50% like the Dilwale trailer while 50% like the Bajirao trailer. When you consider the huge fan base of Sharukh, this is a bg achievement for Bajirao Mastani.
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November 22, 2015 at 2:04 PM
yes but these aren’t comparable films. In other words if there were two blockbuster-type films on the same day this sort of poll would mean something. But here Bhansali’s market, specially with this sort of subject is much more capped off. Dilwale’s isn’t. People by and large don’t have to be convinced to see this sort of film. Put differently a film like Dilwale can fail and still make a lot more than a Bajirao that succeeds. Of course anything can happen anytime. Maybe Dilwale does a Besharam and BM does 150. But those are very low probability events independently and even moreso together. The only impact BM has on Dilwale is affecting its initial. Because no matter how much people like the BM trailer they are not likely to miss Dilwale. The largest cross-section of the multiplex audience will either watch just Dilwale or both films. I don’t think too many people will just watch BM. And so even leaving aside how Taran did the poll and so on competition is only a serious problem when it damages a film, just reducing the numbers somewhat is not the same thing. If BM is liked enough it will work, I think 100 crores is really the limit for this film and would be so even if it released solo. But surprises can happen, maybe it’s really loved and does more. It might even attract the family audiences more over time (though note how SRK with the whole Kajol thing and the title is making more of a pitch for that older cross-section than would otherwise be the case in a Rohit Shetty film). So I’m not arguing for any one possibility. All I’m saying is that the poll probably doesn’t mean very much for box office realities as far as this ‘clash’ is concerned. A Bhansali trailer will always impress a certain audience more than a Shetty trailer. But how many of these more impressive trailers translate into films that do what Shetty’s regular achieve? Finally Bhansali is himself a brandname. He’s not a nobody. He’s made several films that audiences remember. Whether he has a solo release or not he gets his share of attention.
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November 22, 2015 at 2:19 PM
Agree to all.
BM will impact Dilwale initials big time because BM is a big film which brings back a previous hit film combo of SLB/Deepika/Ranveer.
But Dilwale should outdo BM every way possible.
Only way BM will do more is if Dilwale is Ra.One type which I doubt it is.
I’m just surprised why SLB wants to clash. I think this has more to do with Eros/SRK.
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November 23, 2015 at 4:40 AM
Agree on this and SRK trying to capture the older generation, my mom, who is in her early 50’s, wants to see Dilwale, she wanted me to show her the trailer yesterday (she liked the SRK-Kajol scenes and the song at the end of the trailer). She’s never seen Rohit Shetty films before and watches Bollywwod films rarely, but shes a big fan of DDLJ!
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November 22, 2015 at 2:11 PM
“Put differently a film like Dilwale can fail and still make a lot more than a Bajirao that succeeds. ”
Yes, that encapsulates the whole long essay
Agree and wellsaid by satyamullah..
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November 22, 2015 at 2:50 PM
“satyamullah” ???
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November 22, 2015 at 4:32 PM
His usual term for me these days.. the thing is if you take certain positions in certain political debates this is how you get tagged by people.. I’m used to it!
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November 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM
he is the donald trump of this blog.
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November 22, 2015 at 9:04 PM
Ha, true! of course he’ll probably take this as a compliment!
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November 22, 2015 at 11:14 PM
so…EXACTLY like trump. lol
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November 23, 2015 at 2:57 PM
‘Satyamullah’ even at his zealot best is still a moderate.
But ‘aamirsfan’ & his ilk are like ‘bin laden’
The only overt difference is that he/she speaks English and apparently is ‘educated’. Leave him unemployed and deprived for a bit and then his ‘brotherhood’ talk will branch onto something bigger (& more dangerous!)
Satyamullah–have the guts to release this!
Then will tell this bin laden who is Donald trump!
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November 23, 2015 at 5:34 PM
I let this through an example of a remark dripping with communalism in every sense..
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November 23, 2015 at 6:08 PM
that comment just oozes of a bigoted and ignorant belief.
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November 22, 2015 at 2:16 PM
& that’s exactly how srk is carefully designing these difficult to fail projects. Something he has an acumen for and has also learnt from the likes of kjo …
Wherein risks are ‘cushioned’ appropriately
For the lowest common denominator, u have rohit shetty jokes. Btw shetty is much better than others of his ilk since he has a certain knack of not resting on his laurels & not forgetting what makes him click. he doesn’t forget his level and doesn’t try to make somethign more meaningful than his capacity. He has no ‘illusions’
For every teen who finds srk too old there’s a Varun dhawan
For everyone (like me) who finds Kajol ‘trying to be milf-y and failing’
there’s a Kirti Sanon to play with ๐
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November 22, 2015 at 2:24 PM
SRKs end-the exact scene!
Imo SRKs last scene was the scene in BRA1, wherein the tamilian dad (who I liked a lot) was mugged with his kid. That was quintessential SRK, but that was the last that was seen of him
SRKs Rahul persona lingered a tad bit longer but met his inevitable end in JTHJ in a scene wherein srk is clearing snow and watching katrina. He had lost his timing totally and was a stranger in his home turf. Ironically SRKs Rahul ended in the same film as Yash chopra ie both went to heaven or hell together
Srk would’ve met a rajesh khanna esque end then n there,
But then his survival skills and business sense took over,
And what resulted are SAFE projects wherein he is cushioned by multiple factors
By shetty and deepika in chennai express
By shetty, Kajol and Varun-Kirti here
But the question is
How long will a phenomenon like srk survive on borrowed time like this ?He will def survive beyond Dilwale but what about after that ?
But something tells me there’s still some grit left in him
Abhi story baaki hai mere dost (TBC)
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November 23, 2015 at 2:13 AM
In what way is Dilwale a blockbuster film and Bajirao Mastani not? I would say it is the otherw ay around. Dilwale is B film with a mish-mash of action and comedy. It has an aging pairv of Sharkukh and Kajol whose previous film together didnt exactly set the screen on fire. If Chennai Express and Happy New Year did somewht well it was because it had the charming Deepika. No one wants tow atch Sharukh romance Deepika. Bajirao Mastani on the other hand is Mughal-E-Azam territory, genuine blockbuster material. I dont see why it shouldnt do 200 cr at leasst when Ram-Leela with a much more modest mounting did 120 cr.
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November 23, 2015 at 2:28 AM
Utkal, what’s up with this daily anti-Dilwale rant?
So, SRK shouldn’t pair with ‘younger’ Deepika as no on wants to watch them and SRK shouldn’t pair with ‘older’ Kajol as no one is interested to watch them. ๐
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November 23, 2015 at 2:52 AM
It need to do 200 crores to even have a chance of getting a hit verdict in any case. The movie is much much more costlier than Dilwale. Regarding interest levels, wake me up if BM does more than 1/3rd of the numbers Dilwale does on Day 1.
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November 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM
Master: “So, SRK shouldnโt pair with โyoungerโ Deepika as no on wants to watch them ” Who says? I was quite happy to see SRK-Deepika in Chennai Express and happy New Year. Imprtant thing is the romance was written in cleverly, not asa throw back to DDLJ…which is what makes the song pathetic.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:29 AM
who says? See your above post “No one wants tow atch Sharukh romance Deepika.”
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November 23, 2015 at 10:13 AM
Here the consensus has been fairly unanimous across the films, says film critic Mayank Shekhar. โThe buzz is certainly higher for Bajirao Mastani because it looks like a much better film or at least, the better-looking film between the two,โ says Shekhar.
Mehra reveals that Bajirao Mastani will have a much larger number of screens than Dilwale. โBajirao Mastani has many more screens Dilwale, which will have problems with theatres. The single screens are all with Bajirao Mastani, says Amod Mehra.
โEros (Distributor of Bajirao Mastani) has a better relation with the exhibitors of the country, but multiplexes will make sure that the merit of both films is rewarded by the number of shows and timings that they get. In the current scenario, two big films have survived in the past, but the initial numbers might be a bit subdued for both because of the capacity limitations,โ says Akshaye Rathi.
http://www.firstpost.com/bollywood/ranveer-deepika-throw-down-gauntlet-to-srk-kajol-an-industry-analysis-into-bajirao-mastani-and-dilwale-2517494.html
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November 23, 2015 at 4:51 PM
Well it’s true that BM has already pre-booked single screens so it does have that advantage, but to echo what Satyam said before, there isn’t much convincing needed to go and watch Dilwale. I highly doubt Bajirao Mastani is carrying more hype, what is fair to say is that, at least going by social media, both trailers for BM had a better response than Dilwales, BMs scale is massive and that can go a long way in garnering positive reactions. Dilwale was carrying massive hype unlike BM, so that ultimately meant the trailer wasn’t going to please everyone and that was the case.
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November 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM
yes I think this clash thing is being hyped quite a bit. Fine. that’s part of the game. But here you probably have Eros ‘commissioning’ some of this stuff as well! It’s just not reasonable to think this is a ‘comparable’ clash in any sense. This doesn’t mean BM cannot do very well. Just that if each film lives up to its potential there’s still no comparison. As for saying stuff like this trailer looking more refined and so on.. that’s hardly news! In what universe does one ever expect refinement from Shetty! Not that Bhansali’s excess defines refinement for me either but I he’s certainly way better than Shetty one way or the other in that formalist sense. But no one was saying this about PRDP. What’s more cheesy and crude than a Barjatya film?! Not to mention scores of other blockbuster-types. The same folks keep celebrating these films and suddenly they’ve discovered a problematic Shetty film. So again I think this is copy more or less created by Eros!
On that note I should respond to Utkal as well here. Saw a comment of his earlier but couldn’t respond then. First off by no stretch of the imagination were CE and HNY the same in terms of gross (whether one takes producer numbers or not). Secondly HNY was exactly the PDRP trajectory (though looks like the current film will even do worse than that). So it’s not about Deepika in that sense (though I don’t disagree she was an important factor in CE). But even leaving this aside sure Shetty is the same old stuff we’ve seen so many times by now but again we shouldn’t be discovering this all of a sudden. Secondly my point wasn’t about what the better film will be but a simple box office thing. But yes all else being equal I’d much rather watch Shetty. Simply because Bhansali’s excess has by and large never been my thing. Is he better in any reasonably objective sense than Shetty? Sure! But I wasn’t really debating that.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:19 PM
Master; Waht I said was : “If Chennai Express and Happy New Year did somewht well it was because it had the charming Deepika. No one wants tow atch Sharukh romance Deepika.” Obvioulsy the second Deepika is a typo. I meant ” No one wants tow atch Sharukh romance Kajol.”
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November 23, 2015 at 9:34 PM
Utkal “..not as a throw back to DDLJโฆwhich is what makes the song pathetic.”
Gerua song is throwback of DDLJ? Lol. People have compared to their last romantic song in K3G but DDLJ?? What song in DDLJ? Its just regular romantic song and unlike any DDLJ song IMO.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:36 PM
SRK and Kajol are playing their age for major portion of the film. Why should an younger actress be cast when there is a span of 15 years in between the film? What’s wrong with Kajol? If people are not interested.. they will not show up to watch the movie.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:40 PM
Sounds like Utkal is here just to trash Dilwale without any logical reasons…
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November 23, 2015 at 9:41 PM
Just trying to be ‘hatke’ guy.. the one person who prefers BM over Dilwale as FDFS and one person who loved PRDP ๐
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November 23, 2015 at 9:53 PM
Believe me, he will see it first weekend.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:23 PM
No one is saying Bajirao Mastani trailer is looking more refined and Dilwlae is looking crass. They are saying BM trailer is looking MORE INTERESTING than that of Dilwale. And the clash is very much even. The ladies and families for rxample should be more interested in BM than in Dilwale. As between Rhit Shetty and Bhansali, I have seen only ZAmeen and Chennai Express of Shetty in the theatre and I have seen ALL the films of Bhansali in the theatre. So for me the choice of which film I will be seeing first is very clear. Dilwale obviosly hads some srprise twist which they wre holding back. But I will se the film only if I hear good reports about it.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:25 PM
The bottom-line with these clashes is content will now come into play. Box-office safety net is now lost and now more so as people are up to their eyeballs when it comes to getting conned by these so called event movies. Bad wom will act as serious deterrent esp if one has an option. In view of disappointing HNY, SRK faces trust factor and he needs content more than anything for the long haul. BM will face a JTHJ kind of situation and even slight indications of outdated content will drive people towards a time pass /easy on the brains SOS type Dilwale.
Christmas ideally suits Aamir more since his base – the IT types working intelligentsia is on a prolonged 10 day vacation and gets them out. This advantage of target audience was lost when SRK had a Don 2 and Salman had Dabangg 2 in this period and they fizzled out soon after a good start.
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November 23, 2015 at 9:48 PM
Let’s not make HNY sound like it was Ra1.
I would put JTHJ in same category as Ra1.
One thing for sure, Dilwale/BM is not going to be OSO/Sawariya type of deal.
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November 23, 2015 at 10:23 PM
HNY made close to 200 cr, which is not small change. It is a success in the same scale as PRDP.
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November 24, 2015 at 2:19 AM
HNY did something like 176cr, didn’t it? I think PRDP’s business is going to be similar. It may end up with a slightly higher figure, around the 190-200cr range finally but taking inflation and the post BB context into account, it’s quite obvious that both movies are disappointments at almost similar levels. They had fantastic initials and the sky was the limit from then on but the poor trending in both cases reveal the lack of appreciation from the audience.
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November 24, 2015 at 6:32 AM
yeah I don’t think it did more than 175 or 180 but producer numbers are 200 or so. I think the very same will hold for PRDP.
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November 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM
MUMBAI, November 23, 2015 /PRNewswire/ —
Best Foods Limited, one of the fastest growing and amongst the largest rice companies in India today, has announced its association with the much awaited Bollywood movie of the year “Dilwale ” which brings back together the iconic couple of Shah Rukh Khan and Kajol. The brand added yet another feather in its cap by launching a Dilwale Special Recipe book on Rice by none other than King Khan. The book will act as a ready reckoner for anybody to experiment with rice which we all have relished for many years.
SOURCE Best Foods Ltd.
http://www.prnewswire.co.in/news-releases/best-foods-and-srk-team-up-to-launch-dilwale-special-recipe-book-on-rice-553116981.html
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November 25, 2015 at 7:57 AM
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November 25, 2015 at 8:03 AM
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November 25, 2015 at 8:04 AM
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November 25, 2015 at 8:37 AM
Nothing earth shattering about Varun-Kirti either. But to be fair to Dilwale it will be impossible to predict the film from its trailer…which of course has been terribly underwhelming. But the film has twists and every chracter is not what he or she seems to be. So how well Shetty manages to pull this off will decide the fate of the film.
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November 25, 2015 at 8:14 PM
This is not a who did it suspense movie. It’s a rohit shetty film with SRK sensibilities so it won’t be all out golmal type of films or action like singham. it will be more in line with CE.
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November 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM
Satyam, can you have just one thread for Dilwale trailer/image.
Same for BH too.
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November 25, 2015 at 8:16 PM
I guess you can keep the trailer threads and shut down the image thread.
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November 26, 2015 at 9:44 AM
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November 26, 2015 at 10:19 AM
female voice is so irritating like an animal crying.
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November 26, 2015 at 10:35 AM
Kind of like your posts in SRK movies thread ๐
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November 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Lol. Perfecto!
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November 26, 2015 at 10:31 AM
Nice peppy song.
Gerua is sounding good too after listening to it few times. Still don’t like arjit voice.
Dilwale songs will definitely work much better than BM and Dilwale 2 best songs are not out yet (Janam Janam, Tu Meri Premika).
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November 26, 2015 at 10:44 AM
All the songs are totally trash, zero lyrics and forced tunes. gerua could have been hummable but it is regular srk song and the word gerua makes it pathetic.
I had heard premikka…another crap like 90s tapori songs with no melody.
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November 26, 2015 at 11:15 AM
it maybe trash, but it definitely has you hooked, hence you keep commenting ๐
Or are you just mad that this is another SRK/Shetty trash hit which will out gross devgan/shetty trash?
Wait, did I just touched a nerve???
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November 26, 2015 at 1:24 PM
” Or are you just mad that this is another SRK/Shetty trash hit which will out gross devgan/shetty trash? ”
Z,
you must stop your childish comment on people who do not agree with dilwale or their content,not everyone here suppose to like what dilwale has to offer…
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November 26, 2015 at 2:32 PM
Vijay, you’re new to this blog.
This is more due to same type of comments from same type of people regardless of what movie it is. There’s a history behind it.
You don’t have to read my comments…
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November 27, 2015 at 2:01 PM
” You donโt have to read my commentsโฆ”
yes and I have better things to do ,being new ,do not make me laugh,been here since satyamshot opened its door in 2009 feb or march…
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November 27, 2015 at 2:20 PM
“been here since satyamshot opened its door in 2009 feb or marchโฆ”
Okay, than it’s time to grow up, stop being a little crying girl, become a women now, lol…
Rad your comments and see how childish they sound.
Raghav is a big man and can fight his own battle, he doesn’t need a little girl to defend him ๐
Sorry, I’m being little harsh on you, these damn long lines on black Friday is getting on my nerves and on top of it, I have to listen to little girl crying all the time ๐
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November 26, 2015 at 12:34 PM
A little conflicted about the song, i thought it started off well but soon lost steam. Maybe its the video that is not working, i havent seen Kriti’s first movie but she is not very impressive in this song
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November 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM
so far neither BM nor dilwale songs have made an impression on me
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November 26, 2015 at 2:33 PM
Kriti does look little awkward for some reason, maybe the height?
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November 26, 2015 at 7:49 PM
height is probably one factor, doesn’t look like she can dance very well. Also all the actors that have trained under Shaimak have a bundle of energy (shahid, varun), its difficult to match steps with them. Heard the song a few more times and has definitely grown on me.
Read an article which has Varun saying if you liked Inception you will like Dilwale, whatever that means..
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November 27, 2015 at 10:58 AM
“Inception” ???
I’ll have some of what ever Varun is smoking ๐
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November 27, 2015 at 10:02 PM
Satyam – Manma emotion song video is not working. Here’s the new link.
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November 29, 2015 at 2:41 PM
Despicable Wale -Dilwale! Must watch!!
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November 29, 2015 at 2:51 PM
Very clever. nicely done.
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November 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM
Nothing from Dilwale has set the world on fire, that is the trailer, the posters and both songs! But the best song is yet to come in my opinion: ‘Janam Janam’, heard Pritam singing it and some lines of it were in the trailer too, sounds epically brilliant!
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November 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM
@Sam ” But the best song is yet to come in my opinion: โJanam Janamโ, heard Pritam singing it and some lines of it were in the trailer too, sounds epically brilliant!”
Well we don’t know who the song is pictured on… but it all seems to be coming back in full circle. The freshest thing in ‘Hum’ was Govinda crooning to thunder bird Shilpa Shirodhkar – Sanam Mere Sanam on that boat in the blue waters of Mauritius.
Watched Varun and Kriti on Big Boss9 and if they are given sufficient screen time they may add that extra zing which is missing at the moment between srk-kajol. Kajol compliments SRK well on the intelligence / witty part so dialogues are more key to that pair working. Varun seems like a real deal and coming across as an authentic personality on screen and seems very much at ease….a deadly combo of a Govinda-Salman !
Ironically for Rohit Shetty , the person who will get him the massive opening is also his weakest link here as srk tends to over act / ham heavily trying to do the cool gangsta act and has never been able to do justice to this don / mafia avatar whether it was in Duplicate / Raam Jaane earlier or Don and Don 2 recently. It all depends how much of a taskmaster has Rohit been to keep srk in check. The last toughie he faced was Shimit Amin.
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November 30, 2015 at 9:21 AM
I liked SRK as Don! I don’t think he hammed in Don 2 (certainly he did in Don as Vijay and definitely in Duplicate). For me, SRK is most at ease when he is an anti-hero. In fact it’s films where he’s overly romantic or in the romantic avatar that he just doesn’t work for me. From his recent films, I disliked his performance most in RNBDJ and I guess I wouldn’t have liked his turn in JTHJ (haven’t seen it) either. Dilwale seems likes it[s a mishmash of SRK as both Don and Raj, for me it’s a role he’ll most probably sleep walk through, there is nothing fresh here as far as he is concerned and depending on, as you say, how much the director has reigned him, he’s most probably going to ham it up in the ‘younger’ avatar.
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November 30, 2015 at 9:45 AM
“a deadly combo of a Govinda-Salman”
Agree, I think this is probably due to David Dhawan grooming him up for it.
He just needs to get couple big films.
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November 30, 2015 at 9:11 AM
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December 1, 2015 at 8:08 AM
So it doesn’t look like much VFX was used. The place is naturally beautiful with waterfalls, rainbow, dark land, greens, etc…
I’m sure filter was used to enhance it but that is the case generally for the whole movie for just about every movie.
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December 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM
Z , but the damage has been done with too much VFX in the trailer / promo. But the bottom-line is Arijit sounds awful with has been voice modulations…
The song had sonu nigam written all over it even with that mediocre tune. Kay Kay is not hung up on copyright issue so he could have been tried.
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December 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM
Not sure what was there in trailer which shows too much VFX. It looked like a typical shetty trailer.
I was talking about Iceland netural beauty.
Agree on the song should have been sung by Sonu. I would take KK over arjit and crap load of other new singers.
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December 1, 2015 at 10:10 AM
“Z , but the damage has been done with too much VFX in the trailer / promo.”
What damage? Lol.
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November 30, 2015 at 9:11 AM
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November 30, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Satyam, can you post this in boxoffice thread? LOL. Now moderator also doing mistakes…
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November 30, 2015 at 10:38 AM
LOL, true! thanks..
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December 1, 2015 at 9:27 AM
Gujarati Sandesh interview.
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December 2, 2015 at 6:54 AM
Met SRK, Kajol and Kirti in London last evening. Kajol was particularly nice, SRK was tired but making the effort and Kirti was far too excited and equally sweet ( she is seriously tall !). Got SRK and Kajol to sign the Dilwale poster , on either side,…which was really cool…. was an experience.
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December 2, 2015 at 1:53 PM
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December 3, 2015 at 5:33 AM
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Janam Janam trailer
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December 3, 2015 at 8:25 AM
Song is forgettable. Video doesnt help either.
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December 3, 2015 at 6:42 AM
The Dilwale Album is turning out to be a solid album, probably SRK’s best since OSO/RNBDJ. Gerua is a superhit, Emotional Jaage I think is a chartbuster, and this one will definitely be huge. Actually this song and video seems more from a YRF/Dharma film than a Rohit Shetty! There appears to a lot of romance in this film, and if Rohit Shetty gets this part right, then this film will be huge.
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December 3, 2015 at 7:14 AM
New song by far most impressive…
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December 3, 2015 at 10:05 AM
from the 3 songs that I have heard so far, I definitely preferred Chennai Express as an album over dilwale
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December 3, 2015 at 7:35 AM
AWESOME…
Now this song suits Arjit perfectly. Actually the Gerua doesn’t sound that bad either anymore either but would have loved to hear Sonu or Udit for that song.
Dilwale maybe the most complete/hit song album for Rohit. Usually his movies songs are very average but with this it’s a winner all the way assuming the other 3 songs are not bad. Of which Premika sounds good so that 4 good songs out of 6.
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December 3, 2015 at 8:05 AM
So bored by all these songs. Sorely missing something like ‘ One Two THree Four’ or ‘ Lungi Dance’ or ‘ Tu Kashmir Mein Kanya Kumari’. Imagine a manmohan Desia fil without a song like ‘ Jahn Jaani Janardan’ or ‘ CVhal Chal Mere Bhai’. A clutch of ghisa-pita romantic songs picturzed on a middle-aged couple just doesnt cut it.
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December 3, 2015 at 9:40 AM
“So bored by all these songs. Sorely missing something like โ One Two THree Fourโ or โ Lungi Danceโ or โ Tu Kashmir Mein Kanya Kumariโ.”
Its funny to say that VS sucked in CE… CE songs were bad and not doing well and then SRK got Honey Singh at last minute and did Lungi Dance and that saved the album and movie. Pritam’s song in Dilwale sounds better than VS songs in CE anyday!
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December 3, 2015 at 9:41 AM
“So bored by all these songs.’
So bored by all these comments.
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December 3, 2015 at 9:51 AM
“A clutch of ghisa-pita romantic songs picturzed on a middle-aged couple just doesn’t cut it”
A clutch of ghisa-pita comments doesn’t really cut it either.
One can easily make out your and raghav/vijay agenda based on all of your comments for Dilwale. You’re not providing any constructive criticism. you’re just ticked off to know with each passing day that Dilwale will beat BM in it’s own territory too.
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December 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM
In fairness to Utkal and I say this as someone who disagrees with him probably 95% of the time he doesn’t have an agenda when it comes to stars. Liking someone more or less is different from having an agenda. I don’t agree with him on Dilwale either in the sense that I don’t see what’s particularly more offensive here compared to any other Shetty film. Even if one preferred CE in the initial rounds that’s hardly a difference of ‘kind’ when it comes to Shetty. Some films of his are better than others but most of the time, and certainly in this blockbuster phase of his career, no film stands out head and shoulders above every other (I’d myself take BB over anything else.. from an earlier phase I’d take All the Best, admittedly the least Shetty-like film). It’s not a ‘metaphysical’ difference. At the same time I also don’t agree with you or Master where one is hanging on to every song as meaning something important for the movie. It’s a regular soundtrack, nothing special here. Could it be among the better Shetty ones? Quite possibly. but that’s already a low bar. Boring love songs are not necessarily better than boring item numbers! Of course I’ve already said that this is no worse than tons of other soundtracks. Ultimately the initial is not going to depend on this kind of stuff. Or more precisely there’s no one who’s not watching the film for Shetty and/or SRK/Kajol or whatever but who’s going to show up just because of a song. Unless that song is an outright chartbuster or something special in that sense. Safe to say that’s not happening here (many songs get somewhat popular when played again and again in the advertising, that’s a different matter).
The only other thing to watch out here is whether the film can trend better or worse than the usual Shetty fare (this is true not just for him these days). All these other discussions are pointless because unless Shetty has really made a much stronger narrative here the trending pattern is not likely to be dramatically different. CE is probably the best one can hope for here. By today’s debased standards that’s pretty good. So yeah anything’s possible but you don’t go into a Shetty film expecting that sort of narrative strength. If anything here there’s a little bit of everything. BB or CE might have been more focused films for better or worse. This seems to be more of a hodgepodge. Which too is terrain he’s comfortable on but for long term trending you need more than this.
Getting back to the Utkal point I don’t agree with where he’s coming from on this as a general matter but at the same time one can’t pretend that this is some terribly fresh looking Shetty effort. I certainly preferred the BB advertising and even the CE stuff (for that terrain and audience) might have been better (or less stale). And here the problem might be the stress on the SRK-Kajol bits. I know why they’re doing it but it also makes the film look more passe to the same degree. Nonetheless it should still get a big initial. One would hardly wish to second-guess Shetty. Just how big remains to be seen. I will say that if this film opened huge it wouldn’t surprise me but if it were kind of underwhelming (but still did well) that wouldn’t surprise me either.
For the anxious SRK fans BM might be their best friend! One can always say ‘hey the film would have done 500 crores without BM’!
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December 3, 2015 at 10:18 AM
by the way for what it’s worth I prefer the gerua song to the present one.
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December 3, 2015 at 10:35 PM
I listened to the song just now from morning and even I prefer Gerua to this one. So you are not alone!
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December 4, 2015 at 7:06 AM
Gerua is a better song, it’s just that Arjit sounds out of place and he seems stretched in some portion of the songs.
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December 3, 2015 at 10:21 AM
secondly I could still be persuaded to watch Dilwale in a theater but that’s not likely with BM. Unless the reviews are that astonishing.
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December 3, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Satyam, I’m sure you’ll see Dilwale before I do.
I think I might catch BM first and than Dilwale. Will try to get both in same day.
If you’re ever in CT, check out the Cinemark 18 in Manchester CT. They usually have like 3 to 4 Indian movies playing every week.
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December 3, 2015 at 11:19 AM
The only Shetty film I’ve seen in a theater is BB. Let’s see if I can add to that ‘streak’ here!
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December 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM
“I think I might catch BM first and than Dilwale. Will try to get both in same day.”
in 1 ticket? ๐
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December 3, 2015 at 12:56 PM
“in 1 ticket? ”
Of course, that’s the Gujju way ๐
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December 4, 2015 at 10:07 AM
“The only Shetty film Iโve seen in a theater is BB. Letโs see if I can add to that โstreakโ here!”
Lemme think.. Lemme think again… Lemme think hard. Oh.. I got it now. Shetty got lucky as he took Bachchan in that and got your ticket. But just to make you aware there’s no Bachchan in Dilwale.
Oh wait..damn.. what did I do? 1 ticket down for Dilwale now! ๐ฆ
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December 4, 2015 at 10:42 AM
yup.. hope it can do 300 without my ticket.. I don’t want to be blamed for this..
already between BM and Chennai rains things looking dicey for it to do so..
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December 4, 2015 at 10:45 AM
**already between BM and Chennai rains things looking dicey for it to do so..**
LOL!
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December 3, 2015 at 10:11 AM
First time I liked something about Dilwale. Wowwww! What a song! Kajol is looking terrific and so is Srk.
@ Utkal at least give due respect where it deserves and throw this hatred off for a while.
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December 3, 2015 at 9:22 AM
song is really awesome, just love it.
I’m confident now that even in Maharashtra it won’t be 50/50, it will be more like 60/40 or more in favor of Dilwale to BM despite BM having reserved most of the premium single theaters. Multiplex, there are plenty all over maharashtra so both movies will get equal screens.
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December 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM
This is a wonderful song. I still would have preferred Sonu to sing all the songs though. Gerua too for some reason sounds better after few more times of listening. Maybe it is because they show it so many times on TV.
You are forgetting that Mumbai territory also involves Gujrat which is probably Rohit Shetty’s best territory. And SRK is always huge in Mumbai. I am still not seeing anything to believe that BM will open big. It is purely a WOM movie. The only place where it can hurt Diwale is in the screencount.
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December 3, 2015 at 10:01 AM
Best song of the album by far, both haunting, grand and epic all at the same time. Can’t say much for the video (though the SRK-Kajol in the rain scene adds a KKHH fueled nostalgia!).
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December 3, 2015 at 12:24 PM
SRK on UK’s Sky new morning show.
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December 3, 2015 at 1:10 PM
Quite a nice song, but I like ‘Gerua’ better.
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December 3, 2015 at 2:29 PM
Agree, it’s just that Arjit voice sounds better in Janam Janam than Gerua, hence people liking janam janam more.
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December 3, 2015 at 2:30 PM
Just listened to Gerua again, Arjit really does sound horrible in it.
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December 3, 2015 at 3:52 PM
Hmmmm. That makes me non people!
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December 3, 2015 at 4:51 PM
no, it just means your choice is different from mine.
I’m not one of those who force my choice/opinion down other peoples throat.
As I always said, some may like pav bhaji, some may like masala dosa.
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December 3, 2015 at 2:04 PM
I dont care waht anyone says…. i hate ghsa-pita romantic songs. I found the songs of Saawariya stale and inane too. Songs of rama Leela for me had the zing, the vitality and earthiness that eagaged me. Songs like One Two Three Four and Tu Kashmir Mein Kanya Kumari had the spirit of fun and innocence that endeared me to the film. That is not happeing for me in Dilwlae. And the Shahrukh-Kajol atempt at recreating the DDLJ magic is not only leaving me cold, it is turning me off.
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December 3, 2015 at 2:28 PM
I take it that it will be FDFS for you ๐
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December 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM
Dilwale full album. This is one of the better masala album as a whole in long time.
Premika is perhaps the best song in the album.
4 sure shot hit songs in the album.
http://www.saavn.com/s/album/hindi/Dilwale-2015/ib0P9ORJ,zo_
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December 4, 2015 at 8:18 AM
Watch: Sonakshi Sinha dances to the tunes of Dilwale’s Manma Emotion Jaage Re By Bollywood Hungama News Network, Dec 4, 2015 – 04:23 IST
With the dubsmash trend turning viral, many actors also use it as a platform to promote their or their co-actors’ upcoming films. After Tiger Shroff, it is Sonakshi Sinha who has vouched her support for the Rohit Shetty directorial Dilwale.
The recently released peppy love track ‘Manma Emotion Jaage Re’ from Dilwale, featuring Varun Dhawan and Kriti Sanon has gained immense popularity and Sonakshi Sinha decided to add her bit by performing a dubmash video on the song.
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/features/type/view/id/9370
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December 4, 2015 at 8:23 AM
Janam Janam song is lovely and melodious. It can stand on it own feet without the visuals too.
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December 4, 2015 at 8:24 AM
Even Rani would have suited the role opposite SRK.
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December 5, 2015 at 5:20 AM
Talk about over hyping an album. The songs are decent…pretty much in line with what is being spewed out today. To me PRDP soundtrack was refreshing in the sense that it was a throwback to the melodious songs of the late 80’s and 90’s. Some of my favorite songs are songs that are from SRK’s movies but post KANK its been downhill (as far as a complete enjoyable soundtrack).
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December 6, 2015 at 2:08 PM
Manohar Wadhwani โ@manoharwadhwani
Final Duration Of #DILWALE Is 156 Minutes
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December 6, 2015 at 4:15 PM
Is this just a coincidence? Bajirao Matani duration is also 156 mins as per Taran’s 3 weeks ols post.
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December 6, 2015 at 7:29 PM
BM run time is 150 mins which is 6 mins shorter than Dilwale. Eventually it won’t matter as its roughly same.
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December 6, 2015 at 4:57 PM
It’ll be great if Dilwale truly is about 2.5 hours.
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December 7, 2015 at 7:23 AM
Dilwale: Heart behid the Action
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December 7, 2015 at 11:24 PM
Good video! I know Rohit Shetty gets very emotional when he talks about stuntmen. This is first time he got this video made and let out his feelings come out in the open. Its understandable to be emotional when his father was a stuntman and you possibly start respecting that from younger age. He also hired all the out of work stuntmen and gave them some job via his movies over the past decade. Finally, the stunts are actually difficult thing and taking a jolt/jump at 100 miles speed even lot of safety is a difficult task and needs to appreciated at some level.
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December 7, 2015 at 6:01 PM
This guy knows how to make money…
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December 7, 2015 at 11:56 PM
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December 7, 2015 at 11:59 PM
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December 8, 2015 at 12:09 AM
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December 8, 2015 at 12:26 AM
All the above 3 comments of mine should have been on boxoffice thread.
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December 8, 2015 at 11:47 AM
Karan Johar โ@karanjohar
@gauris film with @iamsrk and @aliaa08 commences principal photography middle of jan!! Pre production is on full steam now! Exciting!!!!
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December 9, 2015 at 11:27 AM
Q. What are the budgets of Dilwale and Bajirao Mastaani and how will they share 5000 screens?
Ans. Bajirao Mastaani landing cost will be around 125 crore and Dilwale 100 crore without Shahrukh Khan remuneration. Both films combined should get more than 5000 screens together but will be sharing screens and its here where timings come into play. Both films will want shows in the peak periods rather than getting the early or late shows when screens are shared. It should be a 60-40 share in favour of Dilwale but as above mentioned above its more about the better screens and the potential capacity built rather than number of screens.
Q. Would it be better if Bajirao Mastaani released on Christmas Day so it can get benefit of holiday and be a solo release?
Ans. Its not really important as its coming on 18th December. A week late would only benefit it if Dilwale does not work, if it works it will give competition like a new release and the window is shorter with a 25th release. Ideally it should be coming on Republic Day week.
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/art_detail.php?articalid=1640#.VmhVxLgwgdW
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December 9, 2015 at 2:31 PM
these are the kinds of responses where every side has an excuse. If the film underperforms at any point:
1)I didn’t get the 6 PM show
2)Screen capacity was greater for the other film
3)do you expect people to watch films in Chennai?
Oh well, I added the last one! It will come up sooner or later. Frankly I don’t know why this is all even being discussed. We know that this Dilwale was safe at the box office right after DDLJ released. They made a ‘table profit’ on it right then. The only question is whether it can do better than that other big hit this year, PRDP. Had the latter film done well after 3-4 days it might have been an all-time blockbuster at 220 crores.
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December 10, 2015 at 8:08 AM
Guess it is going be 3000 screens for D and 2000 for BM then. At 3000 screens the max that D can hope for on Day 1 is 25 crores.
Considering both movies have not budged from their stance they have to be super confident about their product or just plain stupid.
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December 10, 2015 at 8:54 AM
No movie has made 25 crore Day 1 from just 3,000 screen.
“they have to be super confident about their product or just plain stupid”
Or both. I think it’s more of ego…
I really think BM is probably an extremely well made movie, otherwise bhansali team and the distributors wouldn’t be this confident. BM is not a cheap movie, it’s budget is more than dilwale. yet they still want to release it against Dilwale, tell me it’s a well made movie and mass friendly.
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December 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM
For once Shiv Sena can be beneficial for SRK, Lol.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Shiv-Sena-MLA-demands-ban-on-Bajirao-Mastani-calling-it-vulgar-and-hurtful/articleshow/50118837.cms
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December 10, 2015 at 10:16 AM
That’s not true. CE made around 30 on 3500 screens. So 25 is possible but I do agree that’s the best scenario here with maximum occupancy
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December 10, 2015 at 10:36 AM
“Thatโs not true. CE made around 30 on 3500 screens. So 25 is possible but I do agree thatโs the best scenario here with maximum occupancy”
Do you forget that CE’s 1st day – Friday was a Eid holiday? You are comparing that with a working day(Dec 18) and also with another movie release. Screens can have max occupancy to even 30 crores but working day will never be as good as a holiday irrespective of the movie.
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December 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM
“Screens can have max occupancy to even 30 crores but working day will never be as good as a holiday irrespective of the movie.”
Not only that but as you pointed out, it’s not coming solo, there’s another movie releasing with it which is bigger budget than Dilwale.
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December 10, 2015 at 1:11 PM
While its true that working day will not be as good as a holiday but considering the screens are not much (3000 is not much as a solo release would get 4500 screens) the occupancy will be very high. And I think in general ticket rates would be higher than what CE had 2 years back. So while 25 cr is possible it has to be the higher end of the estimate.
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December 10, 2015 at 1:24 PM
Bhansali is a headstrong person. He might still go ahead with a release like he did for Sawariya which was a bad movie. I am more inclined to think that SRK team is very confident of their product and they are okay to release it even in just 3000 screens and thereby for sure forego the opening week records but in return get an extra open week to run the movie.
There is more at stake for SRK here than Bhansali. If the movie is bad the clash will affect it and unlike any other average masala movie which still gets to 200 crores, this will not even touch 125 crores if the movie is not up to the mark. That’s the thing about clashes, people will quickly shift their loyalty to the other movie as they have options. So more than BM being a good movie, which it may be, I think Dilwale might be a very good movie however unlikely it sounds given Rohit;s track record..
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December 10, 2015 at 6:53 PM
” If the movie is bad the clash will affect it and unlike any other average masala movie which still gets to 200 crores, this will not even touch 125 crores if the movie is not up to the mark. ”
Agree, if Dilwale is bad to average, audience will have another option and will quickly move to BM. It won’t be like Ra.One where there was no other big movie audience had choice of.
It is going to be extremely entertaining next Friday to Sunday as stars, media and fans will go all out on praising or trashing one or the other movie.
I mean I can tell you exactly what some here will say even without watching the movie.
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December 10, 2015 at 11:02 AM
History Says There Is ONE Winner Or NO Winner In Clashes
Thursday 10 December 2015 12.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
A disappointing year can only end on a high if both of last two major releases Dilwale and Bajirao Mastaani become super hit films but recent history suggests that in a clash there can be only one winner or two under performers. Though it is made out that if films are not similar and different genres they can co exist but that is not the case.
The last time a clash gave out real super hit films was ages back in the day of staggered releases where despite releasing on the same day, one film would release in Mumbai and the other in North or vice versa, this even saw three super hit films coming together. The little exception was Dil v Ghayal in 1990 but even here the former had raced ahead in first six months though Ghayal more than made up in repeat runs as the Sunny Deol action image got stronger and stronger in the 90’s. If it was not for this only Dil would have been the blockbuster film.
Gadar v Lagaan in 2001 is another example normally used to show that two films can co-exist but here Lagaan was a loser in many circuits due to Gadar, it managed to survive due to super hit business in Mumbai and South but if it did not clash it would have become a major hit. This happened in the days of 300 screen releases when films could easily get the amount of screens needed which is not the case today when films are looking for 4000 screens.
In 2001, the perception was not through numbers so Lagaan got away with it due to media perception but today its totally different scenario and neither Dilwale or Bajirao Mastaani will want or rather can’t afford to be a Lagaan and loose the battle by a landslide as numbers will be there for all to see. In 2012 there was Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Son Of Sardaar where both under performed but numbers were respectable but with the costs involverd here respectable numbers won’t be enough.
Obviously its Dilwale that holds the upper hand, not just because of the star power but also because the director of Bajirao Mastaani makes films that only only do well (if they do well) in some parts of the country and when you clash this limited market becomes even smaller. The film will have tobe super strong in content to have any chance of recovery.
The issues for Dilwale are different as it has potential to put up some records and that is what is expected from these event films but the clash is sort of irritation as the way business is today only a solo release can only hope of record be it opening day, weekend or circuit records.
The likely scenario will be one real winner and one loser or two under performers though they can give the industry major hope that clashes can happen and go on to do 400 crore nett plus between them but that would be biggest surprise of the year and chances are slim.
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December 10, 2015 at 12:06 PM
good write up and to the point.
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December 11, 2015 at 7:50 AM
Very effective new promo. Letting the audience know that it’s more of a love story movie than golmal.
Take some attention away from BM. BM is publicized as a lover story movie, now Dilwale has made the same point for itself.
I think one of this movie will tank very badly. Looks like both movies crux is love story. BM historicals and dilwale more of modern shetty type.
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December 11, 2015 at 8:06 AM
Big Boss Dec 19th/20th promo.
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December 11, 2015 at 8:55 AM
Pretty sure these two will come in a movie together. There must be producer who would be milking this new BFF in town
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December 11, 2015 at 9:00 AM
Why any producer, why not SRK and Salman join hands and produce it themselves.
SRK is well capable of producing huge budget movies like he has been for past few years.
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December 11, 2015 at 9:06 AM
These are the reserve possibilities ( stunts, gimmicks, games ) they will bring to the table when the going gets tough in few years time when they age more. At the moment time/ date and sharing screen is in short supply for each of the top stars.
Would love to see SRK pair with Ajay at some time. Salman do that with Akshay and Aamir with any combo…..
Looking at how stylized R.Shetty has turned out to be……would be lively to see Salman do his action/stunt or a serious cop story in the mould of Garv….
Sky is the limit for such gimmickry and possibilities of the future !
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December 11, 2015 at 9:23 AM
I also feel this 90s gen which started this one movie / one schedule at a time will be the one which will take the system back to multiple movies/release. Once they loosen a bit ( not hung up on numbers and festive release ) , they will start doing 3/4 movies a year. SRK is already changing to that mould and once Big Boss stint is over Salman too will switch. Akki is already doing that…..
One must appreciate the hard work this gen has been putting for last 20-25 odd years and just the steadfastness / indefatigability needs to be applauded for the top 5.
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December 11, 2015 at 8:18 AM
Now I am fully excited about this movie. Kajol seems to be playing a strong character here. BM is gone case now.
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December 11, 2015 at 8:52 AM
Somehow Rohit seems to be missing in action……not seen him much during promotions. Don’t know if this is deliberate though…. He is the one who is going to join all the pieces together and even a slight decent comedy will get him repeat audience as Christmas / New Year is turning out to be a major break from daily hectic schedule of life world over.
BM should have aimed for Tamasha release date and would have reaped dividends with 3 open weeks if the movie was half good. Here the genre is troubling and clash with Dilwale cuts in majorly.
BM has to rely on Dilwale being obnoxious to do make a mark at the box office unless its a Bahubali kind of deal….
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December 11, 2015 at 9:29 AM
I fear same thing, I hope the movie is not all serious. I hope it has plenty of light hearted moments and humor.
I think they are marketing/promoting very well. Every few days the scope is on something. Just couple days back, the scope was all on shetty and his stunts team. Everybody is getting attention.
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December 11, 2015 at 9:36 AM
Z, the plus here is low expectations from Dilwale (at least content wise). So a decent coherent story line will do wonders here. The wom generated today is wholly on the basis of expectations. Varun is a free flowing actor and his screen time along with Kriti Sanon will turn out to be usp in the middle reels. We need a bindass on screen now ! Have seen Varun in all movies and except of SOTY he has not disappointed at all. Plus the guy boasts of a 100% track record box office wise.
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December 11, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Varun can easily be the next big star. He has everything it takes.
Watch him when he dance, reminds me of Govinda, full of attitude and jatkas which most actor miss. Most actors are doing like exercise in name of dance.
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December 11, 2015 at 2:30 PM
@Varun can easily be the next big star. He has everything it takes.”
Varun is already that big star of his generation. This year he has taken two films to safety / hit status just on his own stardom / followuing. Both Badlapur and the 100cr ABCD2. Not counting Humpty Sharma as that was part Alia / KJO.
On the other hand Ranbir has proven to be all hype and no substance…at least from box office viewpoint. Anurag Kashyap hired him to give visibility to his project and look what he did. I mean 24 cr lifetime is just shameful. Same thing with Imtiaz’s Rockstar and Tamasha.
Its been nearly 8/9 years and he is already on the beaten track by choosing to remain in his comfort zone: Soul-searching, coming-of-age movies like Wake Up Sid, Rockstar, Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani, and now Tamasha. We saw how the audience reacted to him in a commercial masala movie like Besharam and epic period romance like Bombay Velvet. Just like Saif Ali Khan, the only safe path for him remains urban romantic comedies/love stories, but even those projects are risky if he’s going to continue charging what he does right now.
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December 11, 2015 at 3:19 PM
I wouldn’t count Ranbir out.
All things being equal, movie with him in it will earn more than Varun. I think.
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December 11, 2015 at 10:43 AM
Sneak preview promo is very good, very hard to fail with this plot. No wonder SRK is so confident of the movie this time and started promotions so late and not backing out of the clash.
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December 11, 2015 at 11:13 AM
Bhansali and his distributors are equally confident about BM. I think they’re riding on the fact that they have most of the good single screens locked up.
Once you exit out of the cities, single screen plays a huge part.
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December 12, 2015 at 8:40 AM
They may have booked most of the good single screens, but does that mean people who watch movies at those single screen movies will show up? I don’t see anything in BM that seems pan-India. And its not like Ranveer Singh has a mass following. Also, SRK is a shrewd business man, I am sure he’s gonna come out with a huge screen count at the last minute
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December 12, 2015 at 1:44 AM
https://twitter.com/Prakashjaaju/status/675529920655691776
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December 12, 2015 at 1:46 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWALBxqWUAAEVlj.jpg:large
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December 12, 2015 at 2:06 AM
None of the jokes worked in any trailer sofar. But at 2:02 it made me laugh hard.
“yeh sach kai meri aankhon main dekho”
Is this a serious romance or trying too hard to create romantic postures and ending up ridiculous ?
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December 12, 2015 at 7:36 AM
The BIG box office showdown: predictions
Domestic NET lifetime
Dildowaale 175-215
Bajirao mastani 90-115
Plus minus 15 percent (if either film being too good or bad)
Ps: skewed towards dildowaale which will have to be really v bad to benefit BM
Likely scenario: BM the better film but has to be much better to affect dildowaale due to genre, style, blind fandom..
Let the war/games begin…
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December 12, 2015 at 11:05 PM
Dildowaale?
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December 12, 2015 at 7:59 AM
Contd–Now this will be a tantalising showdown..
BM is the likely BETTER film (by a margin) than dildowaale..
What’s stopping BM from winning? this is the BO track record of rohit shetty & SRKs business acumen
But biggest factor is the NOSTALGIA factor
The most successful pairings of recent times with Kajol (though she seems off here)
And the BIGGEST star of India –who is quite a handful even in his autumnal phase.
Even Salman with sooraj barjatya in a solo release PDRP with max cinemas on a festival couldn’t best his opening –shah rukh khan
This one is dedicated to SRKs fans —
srk with Kajol (& the ‘stamp’ of kjo lol)
Ajnabe mod hai
Khauf har ore hai
Har nazar pe dhua cha gaya
Pal bhar mein jaane kya kho gaya..
Sung by the two of the best in the business : Shankar, Adnan Sami who ace it here..
Tu kahan chupa hai hume ye bataa
Noor e khuda…
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December 12, 2015 at 8:54 AM
No U certificate for Rohit shetty this time.
Girish Johar โ@girishjohar 1h1 hour ago
Censor Certificate of #Dilwale .. U / A with 155mins duration @iamsrk @Varun_dvn @KajolAtUN @kritisanon
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December 12, 2015 at 10:28 AM
Rohit Shetty maaf karo,
The characters aren’t even half-baked.
They’re just filling space and resting on Srk n kajols past laurels.
While promising filmmakers from Hollywood are scaling new heights every year, this is what our folks back home are busy with.
Inflation is directly proportionate to lowbrow standards.
Pity those who find this interesting even remotely
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December 14, 2015 at 9:23 AM
“Rohit Shetty maaf karo,
The characters arenโt even half-baked.
Theyโre just filling space and resting on Srk n kajols past laurels.”
Is this your movie review already? Maybe it was supposed to be draft version and got posted before movie release?
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December 12, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Looks like nighmares has started early for SRK haters.
Who knows, the movie maybe real bad and BM will eat it up and Dilwale may not even get to 100 crore.
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December 12, 2015 at 11:51 AM
Why would I be labelled a hater just cos I find it utterly laughable and insipid. It can earn all the crores and break records left right and center, but a bad film is a bad film. I can only watch from a distance and be amused, but honestly I don’t give a damn about it and its box office except merely posting comments.
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December 12, 2015 at 12:08 PM
Didn’t mean you. Look at all of raghav comments and you can make out his agenda.
Yes, a bad film is bad film, as long as you are consistent in your label and it doesn’t change based on who the star is in it.
Personally. I don’t mind film like this.
Doctor keeps telling to go easy on sugar and oil but being a gujju, can’t seem to stay away from it.
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December 14, 2015 at 9:13 AM
Here we go again…
Firstpost @firstpost
MNS calls for #Dilwale boycott, says SRK helped Chennai flood victims but not Maharashtra farmers | CNN-IBN t.co/ZAUMO4chC8
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December 14, 2015 at 9:21 AM
There has to a height of stupidity and this one crosses everything!
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December 14, 2015 at 9:24 AM
He is super rich. He will pay double to farmers’ cause.
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December 14, 2015 at 9:38 AM
This is real dumb.
So if he pays farmer, than what?
Should Gujarat come up with their own list to ban a film based on some actor not helping their state out?
The Chennai flood was a major issue where the city shut down for few days.
I wonder if MNS has a real work that they do besides creating issues which hurts the economy.
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December 14, 2015 at 9:46 AM
“He is super rich. He will pay double to farmersโ cause.”
How does one know if he hasn’t? Chennai one was leaked through the chennai office but usually the amount or donations is not out on media.
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December 14, 2015 at 10:27 AM
In the hysteria that ensued, a Tweet by BJP leader Meenakshi Lekhi went unnoticed: “Khan’s intolerance comments came after ED notice.” ED is the acronym for the Enforcement Directorate, the finance ministry arm that looks into violation of foreign exchange rules.
Lekhi’s insinuation left nothing to the imagination. As Khan did not respond to that Tweet, it is difficult to tell if the Enforcement Directorate had indeed provoked his outburst. (A few days later, Aamir Khan made a similar point and drew the ire of the lot that had trashed Khan.)
Lekhi at least got the sequence of events right: late in October, Khan was summoned by the Enforcement Directorate to its south Mumbai office.
Under its scanner are some overseas financial entities with links to Khan. Specifically, the Enforcement Directorate is examining if there were certain unrecorded transactions done through these entities.
To unravel Khan’s overseas business, one has to rewind to 10 years ago when Londoner Richard James Moore floated a real estate company called Winford Estates in Surrey.
In March 2007, he sold it to Raja Sherbaz Khan, a property dealer. Nine months later, Khan acquired control of this company when he bought its solitary share from the property dealer for an undisclosed amount.
Khan bought the share through Red Chillies International. Though mentioned in some records as a United Kingdom company, Red Chillies International is registered in Guernsey, a sparsely populated island in the English Channel.
Known for its light taxes and easy regulation, Guernsey is a hub for private equity funds and other investment vehicles, and earns much of its national income from their activities. Its people are still debating between independence and a dominion status under the British crown. Till then, it is a “dependency”.
http://m.rediff.com/business/report/truth-behind-srks-business-ventures/20151214.htm
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December 14, 2015 at 12:14 PM
http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/shah-rukh-khan-on-ipl-shares-case-nothing-illegal-in-ed-notice/
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December 14, 2015 at 12:16 PM
And after all this, SRK also ended up dancing in jaitley,s daughters wedding.
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December 14, 2015 at 10:47 AM
What this nonsense is “Tukur Tukur” ?? Why SRK is doing such silly movie in this age ? Now he should do meaningful and experimental cinema rather than this regular crap ..
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December 14, 2015 at 10:49 AM
“Now he should do meaningful and experimental cinema rather than this regular crap”
Wait for his next – FAN and also Raees. But he can’t be doing just experimental cinema only and yet be a big star!
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December 14, 2015 at 12:11 PM
Agree, at age 50, he should do movies like Ajooba, Insaniyat, Hum, Akayla, etc like how Amitabh did ๐
All big Stars did/do regular crap films.
SRK is doing Fan and Raees next but I’m sure you’ll find more to dislike in those films than you will in crappy dilwale…
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December 14, 2015 at 1:41 PM
**Agree, at age 50, he should do movies like Ajooba, Insaniyat, Hum, Akayla, etc like how Amitabh did :-)**
Of course, at that age, in the 1990s, Amitabh had the advantage of the presence of wonderful directors like/in the category of Shoojit, Kashyap, Dhulia, Bhansali, Hirani, Basu, etc., etc who actually knew what to do with him at that age. And he failed to utilize that. His fault entirely.
SRK, unfortunately, is/has been surrounded by mediocre directors from age 45 to 50. And even before, all that he had for ‘quality’ was KJO.
So yes, this is surely an apples to apples situation.
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December 14, 2015 at 2:20 PM
Oh please, there were plenty of good directors than too. But Amitabh wouldn’t work with them because it would hurt his superstar image.
Don’t tell me he couldn’t get Mahesh Bhatt, Gulzar, Shyam Benagal, Govind Nihlani, etc if he wanted them.
Amitabh had to be Amitabh including not even messing with his hair style too much.
By the way, these shoojit, kashyap, dhulia, bhansali are nowhere near what Mahesh Bhatt, gulzar, govind nihlani, benagal, etc were. So you’re right, it wouldn’t be apple to apple.
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December 14, 2015 at 2:38 PM
Once again you’re extremely poor on the history. Bachchan worked with every important director of the 70s and 80s. If it were only about the superstar image he wouldn’t have done probably the maximum number of films with Hrishikesh Mukherjee and then in every kind of part. The art cinema wave was a different thing. No commercial star really worked in this films. Mahesh Bhatt became someone significant relatively late in the 80s. Of course he too became a huge sellout in a matter of a few years for anyone who’s familiar with the history! Should Bachchan have perhaps take some chances and approached some of these alternative directors? Sure! But the industry was just going through a very bad phase and there just weren’t the talents for him to make that transition till the very late 80s/early 90s. When this happened he actually worked with them. Mukul Anand was considered one of the hottest talents then, he did three films with him.
On the rest this too is an ‘ahistorical’ argument. SRK has had the same hair throughout his career. A bit absurd to bring that up since he clearly is a commercial star! No commercial star anywhere in the world does anything different in this sense. Dilip Kumar had the same hair throughout his career! One could go on. but again you’re simply no aware of the history. what the important directors were, what they meant at the time, so on and so forth. In the 1990s Yashraj or Johar were considered cutting edge. Since then times have changed. Now if I say today that SRK had no prestige films in the 90s because he was just doing films with those guys and these days people laugh at many of those films that would be absurd. Because that wasn’t how it was in the 90s. Much as many of the films we like today might be laughed at in some years. Of course Bachchan’s films are classics that have been perennially relevant but that’s another matter. the point is one can’t make ahistorical arguments. What cinema means, how these things are perceived changes over time. And again there can be a constructive critique of Bachchan along many lines. I know because I’ve made it tons of times at length myself. But it can’t be about bad faith and it certainly can’t be bad without enough knowledge of the matter. I can question Lata for lots of career choices but if I questioned Alka Yagnik and someone started questioning Lata in turn that would be absurd. Because whatever Lata’s faults might or might not have been the two aren’t comparable figures. One has to be serious about these things. Again as long as one is not playing that sandbox game.
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December 14, 2015 at 2:45 PM
LOL, you are struggling even to name directors! You have resorted to Benegal and Nihalani who were pretty much relegated to bits and pieces. And even more sad is your attempt to put Nihalani and Benegal in the bracket of Shoojit or Dhulia! These guys were art-house film-makers, not multiplex film-makers. Even the poster-boy of art-films Naseer left them disgruntled that their films post 80s-end were meant for nobody – neither reaching the common man whom it supposedly champions nor the high-society folks who would use these films to brag about being a ‘different’ audience.
Do check-out Benegal and Nihalani’s ventures in the ’80s and then we can talk. Except TRIKAAL, MANDI, and Kalyug [way back in 1981], Benegal was relegated to television and documentaries, where he did flourish.
And big LOL at Mahesh Bhatt. History lessons needed here. Firstly, Mahesh Bhatt’s big mouth and Bachchan’s humility were never friends. They STILL do not want to work with each other. And post-NAAM, Mahesh Bhatt had sold his soul to the devil. Either he was busy copying Hollywood films and making trash or quite happy to let Aamir ghost-direct HHRPK.
And Gulzar was an on-off film-maker. Between ’90 and ’99, Gulzar made LEKIN, MAACHIS, and HU TU TU. Go figure.
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December 14, 2015 at 2:29 PM
Dilwale is supposed to be loosely based on the Hum plot. And seeing the trailer I don’t even find this implausible. Of course if Dilwale could do in today’s money what Hum did then SRK would be ecstatic. Around 1990-91 though Bachchan had a good time. His initial was of course intact but the films were disappointing later. But he had Agneepath and Hum with the same director. Hum created incredible hysteria. Aaj Ka Arjun in 1990 was one of the year’s biggest hits, this at the height of the Rath Yatra when everything else was biting the dust (including the Anil Kapoor-Madhuri starter Jamai Raja).
The point as always is that one can always play this game of ‘if you say anything about SRK I’ll say something about Bachchan’ but if one gets beyond this sandbox game of kids throwing sand at each other what gets revealed unfortunately is the very poor grasp people have on the history in these matters and you’re no exception here. It is bizarre to have one favorite star do a second film with someone like Rohit Shetty and to pass ‘quality’ judgments on anyone else! Beyond this even till he left for that 5 year sabbatical Bachchan had without doubt the greatest initial around. No one else was even close. yes even in that 1988-92 phase when he had a number of indifferent releases. This is why many of those films were still among the top grossers in those years. Of course the bahchcan standard was a different one and he should be judged by that. AS LONG AS one accepts that same standard everywhere else too. And if others say stuff about SRK, even if it’s unfair stuff so what? I don’t say things I don’t believe in or don’t mean just because someone attacks Bachchan. One can make one’s case without playing this game.
Ultimately all these things (as I’ve said for many years) are about larger historical anxieties. One can be a SRK fan. Comparing him to Bachchan in any sense is like comparing one planet or the other with the sun. This is not up for debate except by those who have no understanding of the history and/or are the sorts of partisans who create alternate realities for themselves. We see the same in politics so often and sometimes these strategies are even successful for a while. I also don’t agree with a lot of the stuff Bachchan fans say for different reasons nor do I think it’s necessary to attack SRK or anyone else in knee-jerk ways every time. The Bachchan case is not dependent on how well or not SRK is doing. In any case if one wanted to do even this it seems to me that Aamir or Salman in the present can be much more immediate references. But the larger point again is there must be a sense of honesty to these things. If someone is so much a partisan of Udit Narayan that he or she wants to question Kishore or someone such a person shouldn’t be argued against but ruthlessly dismissed! Certain things shouldn’t be up for debate. Similarly when people say certain things about Bachchan, whether it’s a negotiation (you do this and I do this) or it’s about some other anxiety or whatever, is scarcely important. The claim is still completely non-serious and ridiculous. I say all of this as someone who besides being a great Bachchan fan is also one of his strongest critics at many levels (including for some of his peak period) and on his very blog. So I don’t consider anyone or anything beyond criticism. But it should be serious. And it shouldn’t be about kids who otherwise follow their favorite stars film with such bated breath each time a new trailer arrives and do all kinds of analysis on it. Everyone has a right to be a fan, even the most intense sort of fan, but at some level one has to ask: when did you forget to grow up? If one’s entire psychological/emotional life is invested in hanging by a thread on the question of how much Dilwale is going to do and if one reexamines this question every single day and if one has done the same for years on other such films and so on one really loses the right to question anyone else. Even if they’re attacking SRK unfairly it’s not as if one’s ‘fanatical’ (I don’t mean this in an insulting sense) commitment to the same star is a model of honesty, seriousness, or even maturity.
Then again things could be even worse. One could be MSDhoni. So horribly confused about whether Salman did it or not! Or maybe not. SRK hasn’t run anyone over so far. I’m sure he too would get the benefit of the doubt.
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December 14, 2015 at 2:47 PM
I thought this would get to you ๐
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December 14, 2015 at 12:18 PM
Satyam, please create a new thread and close the comments here. It’s too long already
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December 14, 2015 at 8:01 PM
I didn’t even realize Varun was in the video. SRK’s screen presence in such songs is unmatched. Only guy who topped SRK in these kind of songs was Hrithik in ‘bole chudiyan’, IMO. I would’ve liked if the song took place in a more rustic setting than a boring white background. This seems to be heading for a 200cr ceiling…and if I’m wrong…then I’m wrong.
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December 15, 2015 at 8:01 AM
“This seems to be heading for a 200cr ceilingโฆand if Iโm wrongโฆthen Iโm wrong”
If the product is excellent, otherwise with strong competition from Bajirao Mastani taking away most of the screens, I think the ceiling might be more around 150.
Whatever Dilwale makes, I think it will be pretty good keeping in mind the number of screens it’s going to release on and releasing with another huge movie.
The Christmas/New Year will help both films a lot.
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December 15, 2015 at 8:48 AM
I suggest not to fall into all this internet hype and social media made paper tigers. Hero still remains the single important factor for audience when choosing a movie esp in India and this trend is likely to continue and you are overestimating Ranveer’s reach.
Yes the current tolerance / intolerance chit chat will make some superficial dents but still when it comes to shelling out money from their wallets, people are ruthless with their choices and past results of these so called paper tigers have proven just that.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:17 AM
Agree 100% but than it comes down to having access to the film. If your town has single screen only and it’s not playing Dilwale than you have no choice. Or if your town has multiplex but it’s far away, than you would rather watch whatever easily accessible.
Youngster will drive long way to see what they want, family audience will tend to go for whatever is more convenient.
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December 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM
If all the songs of Dilwale have ben unimginatve and unexciting so far, ‘ Tukur Tukur’ takes the ckae in being unimaginative, unexciting and singularly lacking in any entertainment value. So flat and so boring.!
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December 15, 2015 at 7:55 AM
And this post of yours takes the cake for same reason ๐
Be honest, you’ll still see the movie, right?
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December 15, 2015 at 8:51 AM
And will like it too.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:36 AM
He will love it.
He will go to Indian restaurant and complain why they aren’t serving American food ๐
Well, at least he will see it first before criticizing it (hopefully) unlike others here who will trash the movie without seeing it and at the same time praise Shetty other lesser work.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:51 AM
Thanks Utkalji.. was thinking the same.. new song promo is up and where is Utkal’s usual bashing comment. Dilwale may or may not live upto the expectations but you certainly never disappoint! ๐
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December 15, 2015 at 8:59 AM
Its pretty similar to Sharaabi song in HNY which never got to the final edit. There is too much Red Chillies here too. There is a fine line between real and synthetic visuals……otherwise they will end releasing a making of the video just to prove its not all sham….
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December 15, 2015 at 9:19 AM
I’m not even sure why they make videos like this. It cost a lot of money to make little videos like this.
It has to be something where they’re doing it to put in on the expense book for tax purpose.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:17 AM
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December 15, 2015 at 9:32 AM
Why are you putting this in Dilwale post?
It has already been posted in appropriate thread.
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December 15, 2015 at 10:18 AM
Dilwale – Shahrukh Khan Hottest Pre Release Film Since Om Shanti Om
Tuesday 15 December 2015 13.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Dilwale will release this week and is the hottest Shahrukh Khan film pre release since Om Shanti Om. It is very rare that the near perfect Hindi commercial film comes together for that killer initial. The cast, the music, the scale and the treatment seems perfect obviously content remains to be seen and that can only be judged after release.
The last films that you would put in this bracket were Dhoom 3 and Kick, the initials they took were extraordinary with the number first day number coming out depending on external factors. Dilwale is coming on a non holiday and is pretty certain, the opening would have been highest or second highest to Dhoom 3 for a non holiday (the brand value of Dhoom 3 could have been deciding factor) but for the external factors
The external factor for Dhoom 3 was a non holiday, for Kick it was non holiday and Pre-Eid and for Dilwale it is non holiday and competition in the form of a big budget film releasing on the same day. Dhoom 3 collected an insane 32 crore nett on day one, Kick was 25 crore nett apprx which may not look a big number but to do it four days before is Eid is humongous.
The external factors against Dilwale are far greater than Kick as competition means the potential to collect is less. The multiplex screenings will be around 35% less than Kick and Dhoom 3 as 40% of the screenings will go to Bajirao Mastani and 5% would be the growth of screens since those releases. The 60-40% share of multiplex screens is not certain yet as makers of Bajirao Mastaani are asking for a bigger share as they also have a big budget film.
This is the reason that the advance of Bajirao Mastaani did not open on Monday while Dilwale advance opened on one screen at multiplexes to a very fast response. It remains to be seen over the next few days if multiplexes stick to the 60-40 share or does Bajirao Mastaani manage to push multiplexes for more screens.
The opening of Dilwale is going to be huge in terms of occupancy but the clash will hurt initially and possibly a number 30-35% lower than it would be if it was a solo release as you can only collect in accordance to what is available. If you don’t open you don’t get hurt much because 30% occupancy on the missing screens are not a lot but 60-70% occupancy on the missing screens is a huge chunk of business and Dilwale is in the later as it is a certainty to open big.
The recovery is not an issue for the film as it is already safe with Shahrukh Khan as producer. The task is to get a big final number despite the clash.
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December 15, 2015 at 11:21 AM
Surprised at how low the screen count of Dilwale is! I thought SRK would do some more arm twisting but he is getting 35% less than D3/Kick! To score big its gonna have to trend exteremly well. Actually I think it has even less screens than CE..to even match CE’s opening week/weekend it has to do really well. This weekend will be really interesting. I don’t think BM will open that well but I think its just a waste of screens by giving it to them
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December 15, 2015 at 1:25 PM
CE release in 3600 screens and this is releasing in 3000 screens. So there is no chance it can do CE weekend numbers. The best case opening day will be 25 cr. The movie will clock high occupancy on day 1. BM will be sitting on lot of screens with unused capacities. If D is good then it will lose to the tune of 35 cr just in the first 3 days itself due to the clash. As I said earlier either these movies are very good or producers are being plain stupid
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December 15, 2015 at 1:38 PM
Dilwale was the perfect time and film for SRK to create records but looks like BM is the party spoiler here. Now, it will be years again till he has another movie like Dilwale and its hype. Lost opportunity!
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December 15, 2015 at 1:54 PM
“So there is no chance it can do CE weekend numbers. The best case opening day will be 25 cr.”
There is no way it will get to 25 crore.
I think the most it can do it 20 crore. Keep in mind that 25 corre would be about the max it can do on 3,000 screens but now add an option where the audience has choice to watch something else if they want to, so not just 3,000 screens but than going up another big film will dent the collection.
I don’t think many here realize why Bhansali is so confident. He probably has a good film and on top it he has an advantage of having as much as 90% single screens booked.
How much did Once upon a time dobara make on first day despite being a bad product and going up against CE (granted CE was already 5 to 6 days old).
The point is when you have a film releasing on about 2500 to 3000 screen it will make an impact.
Only thing that will help Dilwale initially is SRK and his promotion strategy and after 5 to 6 days, it will depend on how good the film is.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:54 PM
The movie is having the best advance this year, expect full occupancies and a figure closer to 25 cr on Day 1. But that has to be the ceiling
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December 15, 2015 at 11:55 PM
After some reliable information on advance bookings from distributors, I feel Day 1 estimate will be between 25 to 27 cr which will be awesome on 3000 screens….The single screen response is huge though In Mumbai and Delhi big single screens have gone to BM but in rest of India D has got the better single screens
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December 15, 2015 at 11:56 PM
Needless to say content will take over from Day 2 but this distributor who has seen the movie is super confident.
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December 16, 2015 at 2:33 AM
Confirmation on what I said about single screens from a distributor. The few territories where BM has got bigger screens are Mumbai and Delhi
Sumit kadel โ@Sumitrajkadel ยท 25m25 minutes ago ๏ฑ Kolkata, West Bengal
#Dilwale has got more SS then #BM all over india except few territories. I hope its clear to all of u. BM getting 90% S screen’s is a myth
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December 15, 2015 at 12:38 PM
Dilwale will open Thursday night in many places in USA.
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December 15, 2015 at 4:08 PM
so to take care of record ๐ inspite of lower screen count-they jacked up US ticket prices to 20$ for Thu, Fri shows –!! last such steep price was seen only for Bahubali…check out amc in GA pricing for Thu, Fri shows https://goo.gl/eGmhWW
Also interesting to see Regal cinemas not showing this which is kind of strange…
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December 15, 2015 at 4:55 PM
**so to take care of record ๐ inspite of lower screen count-they jacked up US ticket prices to 20$ for Thu, Fri show**
Oh so these a!@#holes also started this business. Till now I was quite happy that Hindi movies didn’t resort to the ugly stuff that Tamil and Telugu movies did. I have to stay away from these movies too. [I was never going to watch this one anyhow].
And who better than SRK’s movie to start this ugliness! Now ALL will follow suit. Because Hi-fi is so original..
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December 15, 2015 at 5:04 PM
In CT/NY it’s regular prices as other movies. Can they do that legally?
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December 15, 2015 at 5:06 PM
crap, right after posting I checked the Manchester CT theatre and they have it listed at $20. What a rip off.
Well, not paying that much for one movie.
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December 15, 2015 at 5:07 PM
okay, it’s just the Thursday show which is $20. Friday to Sunday is $11 for late show. early shows prior to 6pm are $8
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December 15, 2015 at 7:34 PM
yeah i guess $20 bucks is the Thursday night “special” everywhere. probably will avoid it this weekend and wait for next weekend…unless its really bad then will avoid the movie altogether.
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December 15, 2015 at 8:56 PM
On here, for the ‘special preview 2 shows’ on Thu are $20 prices and from Friday, its back to regular $12/show. Its like premiere night.. it won’t go full as its regular working day and again Friday is working day.
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December 15, 2015 at 8:59 PM
“Dilwale will open Thursday night in many places in USA.”
Actually this is not unusual.. even HNY, PRDP and other big releases had 1-2 preview shows on Thu evenings. For them once its release day in India, they can show in US at same time(late night show) and have been doing that for last couple of years.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:47 PM
20$ movie ticket is too much man. I have decided, I am going to watch it free. Both movies for one ticket on second weekend. This saturday, both movies will be running full so one ticket for 2 movies formula wont work in first weekend.
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December 15, 2015 at 9:49 PM
Anyways, i am buying ticket for Star wars and watching Dilwale and BM for free. ๐
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