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Shahrukh Khan And Hrithik Roshan Clash This Week
Tuesday 24 January 2016 13.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
This week will see Shahrukh Khan and Hrithik Roshan battle it out at the box office. Its an early release on Wednesday for both films with the big holiday falling on Thursday. There is just one holiday and not a holiday period where a clash maybe can be justified but this is how its played out and two big films will release on the same day. It is in real a Shahrukh Khan V Hrithik Roshan clash as the films do not have much of a supporting cast and the music of both films is not that big that it adds on the initial. Even the directors of both films do not have much of a track record. Rahul Dholakia of Raaes is untried at this level while Sanjay Gupta has many films (the last being Jazbaa) but limited success.
Hrithik Roshan clashed with Akshay Kumar a few weeks back with Mohenjo Daro against Rustom and came off second best and here the gap in the initial will be more as there is a huge miscalculation from the makers of Kaabil. The hero and the heroine are blind in Kaabil and the promos show this clearly so even if the film was solo it would have struggled to open. In fact till date no film with a blind male lead has ever grossed big at the box office. Its surprising that a big banner like Filmkraft have made such an error as Kaabil is more of a content film and needs space and time. The film has fetched high prices from distributors and that is probably why the film stuck to the date because a change would have led to distributors renegotiating deals to a lower price even though a date change would have benefited all. The film has huge table profits before release. Another problem is that its a content film but the director tends to make films inspired from the West or Far East and generally void of emotions so he will have to surpass the previous works in a big way for Kaabil to have the content to get big numbers.
Raees has Shahrukh Khan and a solid theatrical trailer which gives an impression of a mass film so the initial is going to come. There is a clash with Kaabil but initially it will no surprise if it is just a one horse race. The only problem with Raees is that it has turn out the sort of film that the theatrical shows it is. The director of the film has made a few films but very art like films (Parzania, Lamhaa) while the banner Excel Entertainment also make films with a different cinematic language and narrative be it Dil Chahta Hai, Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara, Dil Dhadakne Do, Baar Baar Dekho and the Rock On films among others. If the film is like the theatrical shows and a full out Hindi mass film with action, dialogues and Shahrukh Khan then it will be hard to stop. But if the treatment is like what the banner and director have given to their previous films then the public is no fool and will find out very fast and then its just about where the initial star power of Shahrukh Khan can take it.
The makers of both films are fighting for shows so the advance has not started at many places. In fact for Kabil it has hardly started anywhere while Raees advance started at some places over the weekend and has raced ahead. Its hard to judge pre sales due to the limited screens open for advance but most should open today and there will be a clearer idea of sales by the end of the day.
It’s a box office clash that has been widely spoken about – but there are high chances that Kaabil and Raees, releasing tomorrow, will do exceedingly well as they are both eminently watchable films.
This time, the level of engaging-ness in both the films is high. Both are love stories. Intense love stories.
In Kaabil, Hrithik Roshan loves his wife to death, whose death you will know soon enough, and he is ready to go to any lengths to avenge the wrong done to her. The last 20 minutes of Kaabil are so heart-in-the-mouth, you would be advised to hold your bursting bladders until the last drop of blood is shed and avenged on screen.
Kaabil is by far Sanjay Gupta’s best work, more emotional and dramatic than any of the violent sagas he has narrated in the past. Hrithik gives his finest, most searing and passionate performance since Kaho Naa… Pyaar Hai and Guzaarish. His intensity of emotional expression is disturbing, haunting.
Battle of the blockbusters: ‘Kaabil’ versus ‘Raees’
Battle of the blockbusters: ‘Kaabil’ versus ‘Raees’
Raees is also a love story. And it’s got nothing to do with Mahira Khan. Shah Rukh Khan’s character of a man of ill-gotten power and wealth from Gujarat in the 1980s, is in love – with himself! Since I believe Shah Rukh in real life truly loves himself, the merger of the actor and the character is so brutally complete, it’s like watching mirror images of two identical souls — one off camera, the other on it — dressed in very different clothes.
Raees is also about how two heterosexual men can be bonded spiritually even while being on separate sides of the firing line. This is perhaps the first time in his entire career as a leading man that Shah Rukh has found a co-star who is compelling in his own right.
Nawazuddin Siddiqui, when pitched against Shah Rukh. truly defines what ‘The Clash Of The Titans’ means. He does with Shah Rukh what a Rishi Kapoor or Vinod Khanna could never do with Amitabh Bachchan.
The two actors keep us ruthlessly riveted to the screen. The movement of the plot is almost maniacal, to match the manic energy and mutinous passion of the two men at each other’s throats.
More than anything else, the two films this week prove what Hindi cinema has known all along. Nothing can replace the cult of superstardom. The mysticism, magic and magnetism that Khan and Roshan bring to the screen, have to be seen to be believed.
Don’t pick one between “Raees” and “Kaabil“. Go see both.
SRK is stuck at the distant 3rd position for a while. At worst, Raees should cross the biggest Akshay movie and at best it wouldn’t sniff Bajrangi Bhaijaan. Hrithik needs a solid one here after MD debacle. He does not need to outgroas Raees but this can’t be another dud.
I hope kaabil gives a stiff competition and keep going till end ,if kaabil turns to be a dud then raees will get away with it even if raees is also dud…because raees will beat kaabil on first few days,if kaabil keeps up with the steam then raees will have a problem…taran adarsh is watching Raees right now so wait for his review..he already watched kaabil and given thumps up…
On an aside, can’t help but smile after reading HR, RR & Sanjay Gupta thanking KRK for his tweets. I mean c’mon are these your standards to pull ahead in life…… Now I hope after Sultan and Dangal, KRK once again gets an egg on his face and loses further credibility. For whatever his predictions are worth he has been getting out of sync by the day. ADHM and Shivaay were all wrong so was Sultan and Dangal pegged at 150-175cr and 200-250cr respectively which was far from the actual outcome.
Someone here called him a douchebag few days ago but given all the attention by filmy folks his actions these days are more in line of a pimp. All this thanks to his engagement and encouragement by none than Karan Johar during ADHM-Shivaay controversy where kjo got scared by the backlash of BV which incidentally turned out more entertaining than the movie itself….
I have no idea about krk’s wealth but doubt money is at ‘play’ here and all this seem more like a case of massaging his ego to act as a +ve PR. Though on Kjo love there is something deeper and keeping in mind the sexual tendencies it wouldn’t be surprising if kjo offered to fulfill krk’s ‘nawabi shauk’ What is funny is Kjo seems to have got a two part deal which has Ranbir as part of the package. After all the fun on him there is not much Ranbir has done on screen for his sudden change of heart…..it all seems puzzling to say the least.
Rocky, here is sane counter argument on the current Bhansali controversy and notably talks on the ‘nawabi shauk’ i mentioned so please don’t take it as my fiction.
I am glad the piece contains a much needed disclaimer –
” There is no doubt that those who indulged in violence against Bhansali should be taken to task. There is no place for lumpen elements in our society.”
Rest of the piece is interesting and I agree somewhat that Bhansali either write his original fiction or depict facts.
Is Sanjay Leela Bhansali ignoring the most interesting love story of Alauddin Khilji?
“…..Khilji also had a weakness for beardless boys. He was fascinated by Kafur’s effeminate beauty and ended up buying the slave for a thousand Dinars during his conquest of Gujarat. Kafur took full advantage of Khilji’s enamour for him and rose through the ranks to become the Malik Naib (deputy ruler). This love affair between Khilji and Kafur is well documented in many books including the Tarikh-e-Firozshahi. It is believed that Khilji had almost 50,000 beardless boys in his harem at the height of his empire….”
Totally diverse reviews and coming soo quick after the screening both seem preplanned but Deccan has tried to put a disclaimer at the end – “P.S. ‘Raees’ is a slightly better film than ‘Dilwale’ and ‘Fan’
If better than above 2 than the job is more or less done and will reach the required milestones with stardom of srk.
This is what movies are coming to… and each clash becomes a tamasha in upmanship. Obviously the smaller films tend to gain as clash gives them the extra buzz and some sort of ‘equal’ footing.
That’s a very glowing review….I don’t trust these adarsh etc…But I do have high regard for Amod Mehra…And he has good things to say…So we might have 2 good movies eating into each other and making a loss of around 100 crs which they could have done had they released separately…This clash has been a very stupid decision….
In TN Raees releasing in 101 screens…S3 getting postponed has paved the way for a big release. But wait, Kaabil is releasing in 54 screens and they have now added a Tamil version which is releasing in 114 screens…So Kaabil is leading overall by 70 screens..
All India – Multiplexes have given 60 – 40 ratio to raees. All the biggest screens and best times have gone to Raees
SS – would be 65 to 35…Again the best have gone to Raees..
Raees will do 20+ cr on Day 1…Kaabil will do 12+ cr..My feel…
Raees – 2/5
Director Rahul Dholakia goes the old school way by developing the characters from the childhood days and set the tone for a story revolving around a dreadful but kind-hearted smuggler. When Shah Rukh Khan makes an appearance on the screen for the first time, you know that only he can be Raees. The fierce eyes, the stylish walk and the attitude makes you envy the personality of the character. As the film progresses, the director gets into the commercial zone by setting up a love story between the characters which absolutely lacks the conviction. Even the bootlegging sequences in the first half despite being well shot don’t leave the desired impact owing to the poorly drafted screenplay. Most of the songs pop up out of nowhere as are forcefully added in the narration. The brightest moments of Raees are the first 20 minutes and each and every time Nawazuddin Siddiqui makes an appearance on the screen. Without getting into the depth of the storyline (Which is done to death), the climax of the film might turn off a wide audience base. The action sequences are surprisingly over the top and shot using the wires. The realism in action sequences is missing and the much spoken about action sequence in the meat market is toned down to a large extent. Apart from performances, another thing in favour of Raees are the dialogues as they don’t appear as forced and are used in normal conversations between the characters. But all said and done, despite a restrained runtime, Raees tends to drag at many places. As a film Raees had the potential to be dark, gritty and bad-ass (the dark quotient is visible in a few sequences), but sadly what we get is the toned down version of the film. The movie had the potential, but the chances are ruined because of poor screenplay and boring narration. PS: Watch out for Shah Rukh Khan and Nawazuddin Siddiqui’s entry scene! PS 1: Watch out for Shah Rukh Khan and Mahira Khan confrontation in second half!
When are you planning to watch ?
TBH I was expecting the media going ga ga over it, the fact it has not leads me to believe that it’s really a very bad boring product.
Average review and if the film is really an average fare then it’s going to hurt big time, because the other one is getting good reviews. Audience will shift to the better one within 2-3 days
LMAO !!!!
The actor seems to be too preoccupied with doing a Bachchan and ending up like Raju Srivastav on a bad night. Investing in Mahira Khan’s visa was a wasted cause as the actress can barely construct half an expression
In one of the lesser melodramatic scenes from this film, we see SRK as the eponymous Raees, breaking down. His cheeks swell up like a puri and his head shakes like he’s having a seizure and even though not a single tear rolls out of his eyes, from the odd groan, we’re assured that he’s crying. His performance in the scene seems like a reaction to being forced to watch this film twice.
Reviews are completely opposite to what I expected. Expected media to be unkind to Kaabil and kind to Raees, so real picture might be even more in favour of Kaabil.
BM vs Dilwale repeat. Will follow the same pattern as well with huge opening for Raees and drastic drops from Friday. While Kaabil will start building and catching on wom.
Its funny and ironic over the years Salman have evolved as better actor than SRK. 10 years back people would have laughed about it (and some still do)
Dabanng like moment seems pipe dream for SRK (can’t do comedy like Salman and in serious/emotional he goes overboard as usual)
Too early to write it off. But reading between the lines, Raees has been tampered with hugely and I would sympathise with SRK here. It’s got middling reviews so still fancy it to trample over Kaabil, in fact at face value there is some very positive ones too. Plus opening looks to be big. But there was no need for a clash. Hrithik will be pissed if he has a clean winner but due to clash the film doesn’t maximise.
Tampered for what reasons?
Not sure about SRK strategy though. His bo pull have declined and barely won clash with SOS. Then got trampled by BM. And to top that he ran away from one clash to go head on with another. He must have felt confident that Gupta will make crap movie. With non holiday solo release the same movie would have done comparatively better.
It’s been re-shot I’m sure. I’ve read up to 50-60% reshoots, hard to confirm. And most of that is political probably. The original cut probably would have been less audience friendly but more of a game changing film.
Sounds very familiar. Don’t know the final outcome but all the hard work and correction done by Aamir in setting an example for a low profile release with bare minimum promotion has been withered away again with all this noise / trade talks.
Even HR hamminess is well documented and with very few parallels.
I think both movies will just be a blip on the radar in terms of total box-office earning and not going beyond 90cr for Kaabil and 120 cr for Raees. They have to get closer to this total by Sunday 29th because Monday onwards exam fever will take over the families and these are not sex comedies where college going crowd will bunk classes to see the movie.
Kaabil V Raees: Raees Takes Huge Lead in Advance
Tuesday 24 January 2017 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
The big box office clash between Kaabil and Raees looks a bit of an anti climax as far as initial is concerned as the Shahrukh Khan starrer Raees has pulled a distance ahead. The advance of Raaes started late with some multiplexes only opening advance yesterday but it has notched up pre sales of 12.50 crore nett. Dangal was 16.50 crore nett, Sultan was 21 crore nett and Prem Ratan Dhan Payo was 15 crore nett but these were Xmas, Eid and Diwali releases respectively and all were solo releases and no fighting for shows which leads to the advance opening late. The advance is excellent at both multiplexes and single screens with the single screens at muslim centres in Gujarat and UP having chances to witness record collections on a non holiday. Considering the situation its a huge advance and that will be reflected in the initial tomorrow as its looking to beat Kaabil easily all over unless the on the day crowd changes the scenario.
Kaabil had an advance which opened even later than Raees with the biggest multiplex chains PVR and Inox only opening yesterday but the results are below the mark. The single screen advance is poor while multiplexes are a little better but still low. The pre sales are around 3 crore nett and that is even lower than a film like Dishoom (2016) although the late opening advance can be an excuse but still Kaabil is a big film with a big star like Hrithik Roshan so should have more initial appeal. The film is going to be depending on how the public sees the film tomorrow. The biggest problem is that Kaabil looks a film that will be driven by Mumbai circuit but Raees is going to be super strong in Gujarat and Maharashtra giving Kaabil little chance initially where it can score best.
This looks like a Don-type response. That film wasn’t particularly liked by critics, but it was a decent hit. Raees might reach there too. A mass entertainer doesn’t always need exemplary reviews and seldom receives them anyway.
But point is, SRK is no massy hero like Salman, he does need plenty of multiplex support. Also, a passable hit is just not enough for him at this point. He desperately needed a film that would be loved by critics and audiences alike. The film with its violence and lack of strong emotional content is not going to get enough family audiences.
once at the time of release Farhan Akhtar was online chatting – and my question got his answer – the question was “why on earth he would choose SRK as done and why not Aamir Khan?” he said that he could not imagine Aamir as Don!!
With Federer reaching semi final the dream final against Nadal is still possible. Reminiscent of Sampras vs. Agassi in 2002 US Open. Old foes hopefully slugging it out once more. Sure Stan will have a say. Nadals side of draw hard to gauge, Raionic will be tough but if he gets through, you’d fancy him in semi.
The bookies have Federer as favourite to win with Stan second. Makes sense, winner of that semi is odds on to win slam.
Nadal’s draw is comparatively easier. Raonic with his serve can put up fight but I have feeling Nadal will grind him down.
If Rafa and Fed are in the finals I think Nadal will win although Federer is in much better form. There is the mental block and also mismatch in style of play. Will be glad to be proven wrong though.
@”Anyway now that Dangal is done and dusted the blog can talk about the real stars of Bollywood like SRK, HR, Akshay Kumar and eventually Salman.”
Here are few well documented and tabulated scientific data hence blog readers are requested to update themselves regularly on this twitter feed to determine who is leading the pack…..by a margin !
@”After Dangal I’m surprised Aamir is even able to make the top 5..”
Oh you shouldn’t be ! This fact gets registered with Dangal being the most liked movie. Aamir fans can take heart to this evidence.
‘thecooldude’ you can form opinions without having to get the facts.
Ormax Media @OrmaxMedia Jan 20
#OrmaxCinematix Top 10 most-liked films of 2016 based on audience Word-of-Mouth (WOM) measured through the year.
For arguments sake, lets look at this list. I can see Salman at number 1 (though Aamir just kicked his ass from Patna to Pune). I can even see an argument for Akshay being at number 2 (though its an insult to Aamir to even mention Akshay in the same sentence). How the f$%k can SRK be in the above Aamir for 2016 when the only movie he did bombed at the BO
Sour grapes is all I can say. Your morning internet search must be ‘how Salman is bigger than Aamir’. Beyond this… We’ve agreed he’s a bigger star, that Aamir is inconsequential and just a fluke actor/star.
But box office numbers have killed your barking.
Even now TL if it breaks records will get SRK attachment as Raees has increased his profile. TL is lose lose, if it doesn’t break records it’s epic failure, if it does credit is shared. TZH is already screwed in breaking records IF Dutt film releases.
Anyway I thought others were clowns on this blog, you’ve outshone them. You are prolific for sure.
Shah Rukh romancing the much younger Mahira Khan are downright creepy, for no fault of his own. Why can’t he just play characters closer to his own age? (He did that in the recent Dear Zindagi, for example, where his hamming was atrocious, but at least he looked his age.)
Overshadowing the question of ‘When will Bollywood heroes play their age?’ is the larger one of ‘When will Bollywood grow up?’ Raees is nothing more than adolescent macho escapism, and if it turns out to be a hit, I guess we’ll have to wait.
Btw political climate these days is abuzz with a new term coined “alternate facts”. This ‘paathshaala’ of like minds created by Satyam seems to revel in the same falsehood time and again. So my commenting may be clownish but ‘authentic’.
On the rest I would just say enjoy golden lyrics your countryman’s song –
We don’t need no education
We don’t need no “thought control”
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Hey teachers leave them kids alone
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall!
Farid Khan, a politician and a hotelier, lost his life due to suffocation because of the mad rush at the station. He was soon rushed to the hospital but was declared dead on arrival. It was very unfortunate as the deceased was an uncle of a journalist on board the train. He had come to the station with his kids to greet his niece and her mother who were on board the train too.
MissKyra team EXCLUSIVELY spoke to journalist Samina Shaikh whose uncle lost his life in Vadodara stampede incident. She revealed, “It’s unfortunate that my uncle lost his life due to suffocation in the crowd as he was a heart patient. However, Shah Rukh Khan and his team made sure that my mother and I reach safely to my uncle’s funeral. We got down at Ratlam and SRK’s team arranged a car for us to Vadodara to attend my uncle’s burial. ”
The journalist also spoke about how Shah Rukh Khan broke down while consoling her. Talking about it, she said, ” When I narrated the incident to Shah Rukh, he was in tears as he could genuinely feel the pain that I and my family were going through. Apart from making arrangements for me and my mother from Ratlam to Vadodara, he also made arrangements for my relatives who flew in from Mumbai to Vadodara to attend my uncle’s last rites. Though SRK was busy with his film’s promotions in Delhi event, he even made sure to know about my family and provided whatever help possible. ”
The deceased’s mother also spoke to MissKyra about SRK being unnecessarily dragged into a controversy regarding the matter. She said, ” We have nothing against Shah Rukh Khan as he is not at fault. He is also like my son, I would like to thank him for making last moment arrangements for our family to be a part of my son’s funeral. The incident has nothing to do with SRK’s ‘Raees’ promotional event, my son fell prey to the crowd and succumbed to death due to suffocation. All we want is prayers from everyone for my son. ” http://www.misskyra.com/celebs/shah-rukh-khan-sends-help-to-the-mans-family-who-died-during-raees-promotions/articleshow/56754420.cms
Well when ppl like Kailash or Manoj Tiwari of BJP and lawyers like Abha singh were trying to make some mileage out of this issue and advising SRK how he should go and meet the deceased family and pay compensation etc etc..everything needed was done already without their prompting..
Of all the directors on the face of indian Earth, I would never have thought SANJAY GUPTA would be the one resurrecting the limited actor Hrithik’s stature again…
btw looks like Sarkar-3 not happening on 17th March as planned , shooting is still going on and its first look which was suppose to release on 23rd January, didn’t happen.
Raees has taken a bumper start all over India. The opening is going to be Big. Time for SRK fans to rejoice. Good reports coming in from Single screens as well as Multiplexes.
Opening is very huge…But as i said the opening gets magnified due to the occupancy level which is high due to lack of screens…But i am upping the estimate to around 22crs now
SRK has a major fan following as we know and those seeing it FDFS are generally are all his young fans. Some are even dressed like SRK in Raees. That is also true for Salman, where his fans make up most of the crowd on the first day. Aamir on the other hand has a phenomenal neutral fan base, who come to watch his film, rather than only “him.” Which is why all his films have done such record lifetime business, even if they don’t always make opening day records.
true but SRK/Sallu look jaded and in that fans dept – Rajni still has an edge – for Aamir – ppl come for the overall product and of-course his name is the major draw
Kaabil opening is very poor…infact quite below the moderate expectations even in plexes…All India average wont be more than 30%..
One thing I just realized that last 24 hours not a single review of Kaabil has come out…Rediff and the usual outlets are also yet to post the review.
Yeah i was pretty sure there was no way Dangal can do 250+ due to no holidays and demonetization….But was conclusively proved wrong 🙂
Master had an excel for that…He even had one for Raees to prove there is no way it can do more than 150…
Where is Master these days?
Raees took an excellent opening of 55-60% in its morning shows. It is the best opening since Sultan eclipsing the morning shows of Dangal. The opening at most single screens is better than Dangal and at places even better than Sultan which was a holiday. The multiplexes have also scored big even though the film looks more for mass centres but Shahrukh Khan is there so barring East Punjab which can only be called good, the multiplexes in other circuits are excellent. The clash and the release which is around 3400 screens will obviously curtail the final number a little compared to other big non holiday releases but occupancy for a non holiday are fantastic almost across the board. Gujarat is extraordinary due to the local base of the film, West Bengal which traditionally is a slow starter has opened well enough that it could be an all time opening day record in that circuit as evenings will be bumper due to the Shahrukh Khan factor.
Kaabil opened to around 20-25% which is a below average opening and it is second best to Raees all over the country. The opening is 25% of Raees at places and at places which have opened better comparatively it is 50% of Raees. In some circuits its going to be a huge gap between the two films. The only plus is that Kaabil is a big film and collections will get better as they are so low especially in the evening as its a big holiday tomorrow. Still its unlikely the growth will be good enough to result in a first day number which can be called good. Then it will be about the big National holiday for Republic Day where it will have to make huge gains if it is to make any mark at the box office. The opening morning has turned out to be a very one sided affair as far as the big clash is concerned.
The only issue for HR is that his next is not even in planning stage so there is a bit of loss for him to re establish. I doubt Krish- 4 will happen due to costs involved and in anyways RR cannot release that before late 2019. He needs to continue doing Kaabil type small movies and angle the projects Ranveer – Varun – Ranbir are doing otherwise he will go Abhi ways.SRK and HR had absolute superstardom but both were out of sync and stoned out for last few years.
Meanwhile good to see the exchange below –
Shah Rukh Khan @iamsrk 8h8 hours ago
@iHrithik wish could have avoided overlap of releases. That said…my love to u & @yamigautam dad & @_SanjayGupta. Kaabil wil b awesome
Hrithik Roshan @iHrithik 9h9 hours ago
Dear @iamsrk today as a mentor Im sure u will inspire me yet again with #Raaes and as a student I hope you are proud of me with #Kaabil.
So…Kabil Paid Critics KRK to admitted that Raees is better then his expectation
KRK @kamaalrkhan 58m58 minutes ago
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I just Watched #Raees n definitely it’s a very good film for single screen audience and average for multiplexes. It’s much better than #Fan!
Failed in Sultan, Dangal and hopefully in Raees case to.
So bottomline is that Kaabil is not as good as Bajirao Mastani and Raees is not as bad as Dilwale. So Raees will don better B/C it is single screen and Mumbai/Gujrat friendly.
Kaabil can tank I feel. I don’t think audiences are liking it as much as the ‘initial’ critics did. The critics who reviewed it today have thrashed it.
5 days 65 crs is my prediction for Kaabil. It needs 90 to be a hit.
cannot beleive the quote I am getting ,guys its too early to say which films is going to tank,dilwale was way ahead of baji rao but later proved that bajirao was a winner…relax dudes….wait few days yet,,,its only srk fans claiming that raees is doing well…
never quite bought the Kaabil reviews and can’t say I’m surprised that some of the real ‘views’ are coming out now.. but yeah not even getting a half-decent initial is a blow here because if it doesn’t sustain it’s going to be a very low total in the end.
agreed on Raees.. if you’re relying on the big opening numbers you should at least maximize these.
of course SRK being wise about his scripts or some of this other stuff is an illusion in any case. If he had that sense/ability he’d have done it a long time ago. Since VZ in ’04 he’s had the top grosser of the year just once (OSO – 2007). He’s crossed 200 just once with CE, that too by not a whole lot. Otherwise you have a lot of good or big initials with the films more or less fizzling out. That’s still better than most others out there (clearly no one’s doing better than this at the moment). But it’s a very far cry from Salman or Aamir. He just doesn’t have the script sense for it, irrespective of the subject. Anyway let’s see how well or not Raees does.
Opening Show Figures – Raees v Kaabil
Wednesday 25 January 2016 13.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raees took a huge lead against Kaabil in the morning shows across the country with collections more than double in many cities. The gap was bigger in the single screens where Raees took one of the best openings for a Shahrukh Khan starrer in recent times. Raees is looking at huge numbers in Gujrat, Nizam / Andhra and West Bengal. The collections in East Punjab and Delhi city were not as good as the rest of the country probably because its a Gujarat based film. Kaabil has a lot of work to do the opening is on th lines of films like Shivaay and Mohenjo Daro which also clashed with other films and came off second best. But here Kaabil is likley to lose by much wider numbers than those films. The plus is that it is a big holiday tomorrow and that should give a lift in the evening. Below are the admit figures of first shows with the cinema counts taken from each centre listed next to the city..
Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection Update
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Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection Update:
Shahrukh Khan starrer Raees is one of the most awaited films in recent times. The film had been in the making for a long time but it still has excellent buzz and hype. 2017 has been started on a dull note with three box office flops but Raees is expected to end the dull phase. Check out Raees collection update for the 1st day.
Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection Update
Raees Morning Shows Report:
The overall occupancy in the morning shows was around 60% in most of the circuits which is an extraordinary start. The Mumbai and Gujarat circuit has opened extremely well and has housefull shows at many places. It has started like a riot in West Bengal and especially in Kolkata where it practically opened to packed houses. That is incredible as the genre is not state friendly but still it has opened to an extraordinary response only due to the presence of Shahrukh Khan.
Central India is also doing good with more than 50% occupancy in the morning shows. The traditional Hindi markets in North India are decent but they are lagging behind other circuits. They need to improve in the evening. More data will be updated later.
Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection
In terms of occupancy, Raees has recorded one of the biggest openings. It is even better than Aamir Khan starrer Dangal which was released last December. The film is expected to show big gains as the day will progress. There will be holiday advantage coming into the picture in the evening which will boost Raees collection big time. You expected housefull shows in the evening and night.
As far the clash with Kaabil is concerned, Raees 1st day collection will have a big lead. That was evident yesterday also when SRK starrer had an excellent advance whereas Kaabil was only decent. Unless there is any turnaround in the evening, Raees will have around 9-10 crore lead today over Kaabil.
2:00 PM Update:
Raees is rocking big time on the opening day. The single screens are almost housefull in most parts of the country due to the genre but even multiplexes are excellent due to the presence of Shahrukh Khan. After an excellent start, it is showing further gains. The opening is even better than Dangal which was a solo release and here Raees had a clash with a big film. In fact at some places, the opening is even better than Sultan which was a holiday release.
Raees 1st Day Box Office Collection Early Trends:
As per the early trends, Raees 1st day collection should be over 20 crore. The final collection will depend on how it performs in the later half of the day.
If Sunday is same as Republic Day then no way it will tank…We will know the fate based on Fridays collections. Friday will be less than today surely but shouldn’t be more than 10 percent less.
ha,ha.. ” tank big time “..probably kaabil have chance to catch Raees..maybe it will be in lacs rather then in cr…who knows….
not watching either of them until both cools down…I will watch first which is still trying to chase Dangal then I will watch the other which has totally sunk…yes like ” Titanic “…
evening shows updates: Raees going house full
kaabil running in 80% occupancy…
kaabil has picked up since morning but Raees is unstoppable..
Kaabil running like calm then storm
Raees is running like storm then calm..by monday both will running on empty…” both Tanked “…
Raees opening proves one thing very clearly that SRK is not done & dusted yet!! His star power is intact & content is what is letting him down. If & a big if at that is he gets his script sense right, he is still in the game with Aamir & Salman. He and his directors need to understand this fact at the earliest as he is not in his prime both age wise & box office standing!! But one silver lining this opening has given to SRK & his fans that he is still a force to reckon with!!
myselfamir,this was expected,it is just that the initial is not the problem,its the aftermath of releasing the film,dilwale and fan also took huge initail but fizzeled out,its a same scenario with raees..willl it last…we shall see and even it last it will be just another dilwale…and not fan…nothing else…
Rajender Singh Jyala, VP-Programming and distribution AT INOX told BollywoodLife that Kaabil will positively OVERTAKE Raees. He said, “Raees had opened to almost full houses. Kaabil is shooting up now, it did not open to great numbers, but it is fighting back now. It opened with an occupancy of 40 per cent in the morning shows, but it has picked up since then. So Raees had upper hand according to the morning shows, but by the evening, Kaabil will catch up mostly.” Now, we have told you that Raees has earned Rs 12.5 crore through advance bookings and Kaabil is at Rs 3 crore. But will this change? Will Kaabil overthrow Raees at Box Office? Looks like Rakesh Roshan is very keen to. ALSO READ:Raees vs Kaabil WAR begins: Is Hrithik Roshan’s remark on Shah Rukh Khan’s film a jibe or well intentioned?
Speaking to the same entertainment website he dissed SRK for booking 55 per cent screens while leaving only 45 per cent screens to Kaabil and said, “Everything is getting dirty and unethical. No professionalism, no friendship, it’s (Bollywood) not a close knit family at all. It was in my time. Jeetendra, me and Rishi Kapoor are best of friends even today. That was the industry we were working in. Now just shaking hands that also we don’t know what they mean. Putting up a smile and kissing each other’s cheeks in front of the media. That’s not friendship.” Incidentally, Hrithik Roshan took to Twitter to wish Raees well and SRK replied with same warmth. This is a bit confusing for us, no?
Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees promises big but its potential doesn’t get fully unleashed due to its flawed story. After getting a good start, it fails to maintain its momentum, eventually causing a dissatisfying experience.
I saw the film. It was good overall. The beginning was good . and the end was awesome, really haunting and makes one emotional.
In between there was some good fight and chase scenes, and two finishing off rivals, classy.
And like mentioned before here somewhere, there seems to have some re shots or rewriting involved and some rather sugary buidling of a model city etc..which doesn’t gel well. It does get in the way a bit of the smooth sailing of the story and shows up as the main flow.
Inspite of that, it has the potential to do well. My rating 3.5
Initial is very important these days and when we look at how much Kaabil is lagging behind on its opening shows and most probably its opening day, then it is going to be hard to catch up.
The only way for Kaabil to catch up is if it is a much superior movie than Raees. The reviews till here are slightly more favorable for Kaabil but it does not look like there is that huge leap in terms of quality, like there was, for instance, between BM and Dilwale.
Raees’ initial owes as much to SRK’s stardom as to the impact of its trailer. I have seen a lot of persons who don’t really like SRK at all but going for Raees first. They liked the trailer. It is the kind of masala stuff that he has refrained from doing since his DDLJ days. And that was the main complaint from that part of the audience. From the guy who did Raju BGG, Baazigar and Ram Jaane, he simply stopped doing anything for that audience and got too much in the multi-plex/NRI kind of deals with Yash Raj and Kjo.
Salman understood the issue and went back to his roots with Wanted and Dabangg. SRK has probably left it too late but better late than never.
Oh Hrithik. As if having a mutated crocodile in potentially one of the worst films in recent years (Mohenjo Daro, in case you were wondering) wasn’t enough, you go that extra mile and subject us to this humdrum of a film. Sure. It’s called Kaabil but the only ability it has is to subject its poor, unsuspecting audience to a migraine with the sheer banality of it all. And with Sanjay Gupta at the helm of these rather tired affairs, it seems like it’s a case of the blind leading the blind. Literally.
Read more at http://www.bollybrit.com/reviews-blog/movie-review-kaabil#xjPGFqGDLidgyY8s.99
finally the right assessment – Sanjay G has never made a meaningful film – it is always the show and vanity affair and OTT stuff – i am happy that he has not changed and that means even HR will not be able to save it – a poor weapon to fight SRK
You may write a piece from the point of view that I am doing three back-to-back Muslim characters. With due respect to my professionalism as an actor, I did not even know what my name was in Karan Johar’s Ae Dil Hai Mushkil. I just went for two hours, did some shots and had fun with my friends, Karan, Ranbir (Kapoor) and Aishwarya (Rai Bachchan). I wrapped up around 2 am and partied till 6 am before flying back to Lisbon.
Don’t create a point of view. These are films which were postponed for two years. I would still like to believe that in this day and age, an artist is there to put across entertainment in the best way he or she thinks is possible. We don’t hold the audience responsible or at gun-point that they have to like every movie and point of view.
So, why is it that somewhere down the line, in this race of being the first ones to inform or to be the first ones with a certain point of view, media uses other people? Have the dignity to ask: “Are you with me?” We can both talk about it… Or, are you always going to utilise snippets, bytes, pieces and words to somehow bolster your point of view?
“I just went for two hours, did some shots and had fun with my friends, Karan, Ranbir (Kapoor) and Aishwarya (Rai Bachchan). I wrapped up around 2 am and partied till 6 am before flying back to Lisbon.”
That seems to be the problem with SRK. “Had fun with friends and partied till 6 am” He thinks movie making and acting as part of picnic.
A tight slap by SRK to Rana Ayyub, Barkha and Anurag Kashyap !!
Sachmuch Desh badal raha hai !!
just for this piece I will watch Raees (on DVD ) now, as opposed to not watching it al all.
Indian batting great Rahul Dravid has turned down an honorary doctorate degree offered to him by the Bangalore University, saying he would instead like to earn the degree through academic research in the field of sports.
Dravid grew up in Bangalore and completed his education in the city. The University had wanted to honour Dravid with the degree during its 52nd Annual Convocation Ceremony on January 27, before the former India captain declined.
Bangalore University stated in a press release on Thursday that Dravid had ‘in all humility declined to accept the Hon. Degree’.
“He has conveyed that he would try to earn a Doctorate Degree by accomplishing some form of academic research in the field of sport rather than receiving an Honorary Degree,” it stated.
Rahul Dravid, who had retired from international cricket in 2012, has been mentoring young Indian players in recent times through his roles as coach of the India ‘A’ and U-19 teams.
Well that is true. But if it’s wildly out you know again they are cheats…Of course Kaabil has made less than Dear Zindagi on more screens, go figure. Hrithik has washed his career down the toilet since 2006.
SRK prevails but is one mean, cruel guy. Detest him even more now. Ran from Salman and ran back to him to get his 300 CR film. If you can’t beat em, join em. Now I predict TL has a shot at Dangal. But it’s a lose-lose shot.
Hrithik has declined massively. He’s lost his pan India presence. Beyond good looks, dancing and his father’s fortunate films that appealed to his strengths, he’s only really got 2-3 other films in a 15 year career. He can barely open a film.
On another note I’m glad Big B did not support his co-stars in 70’s as Rishi Kapoor book states. If praise is like today’s stars, it’s highly superficial and fake.
This is very low number indeed for Kaabil. Public wom is difficult to tell at this point for both movies as they have been mostly watched by fans. But Kaabil really needs huge jump today.
I don’t think Kaabil is that great a film in the first place – it must be having many OTT situations and too much emotions – no real stuff there – so out of both bad films – the less bad looks Raees as it might be high on entertainment for masses….
Rape and darker revenge is not something wants to see often – Aamir (and original Ghajini-maker) was smart enough not to have it in Ghajini – where Asin simply gets killed and no rape-stuff. I think in a country where daily so many rapes are reported – ppl may not be too inclined to see a rape-revenge-dark drama where a blind protagonist behaves like know-it-all…
The Raees and Kaabil clash has turned out to be a very one sided affair on day one with Raees crushing the competition and taking a huge lead. Its unlikely that two major films released on the same day have seen such a big difference in collections on day one. The early estimates are around 21 crore nett for Raees and 7.50 crore nett for Kaabil. The star power of Shahrukh Khan has gunned down the star power of Hrithik Roshan. The latter also came out second best with the clash on Independence Day week as Mohenjo Daro grossed 8.80 crore nett on day one and the competition which was Akshay Kumar’s Rustom grossed 13.92 crore nett. Still there the gap was reasonable but here its looking at a difference of over 13 crore nett just on one day.
Kaabil has performed below the mark all over with some circuits being practically being wiped out due to Raees. The film was never that hot but still a Mohenjo Daro type of number should have come at least as Hrithik Roshan is still one of the top stars. The film needs to pick up big time and that is just to avoid becoming a disaster as it needs double digit numbers for all the days remaining in its extended weekend just to stay afloat.
Raees has scored very well all over especially in Muslim dominated areas,the only area which probably should have done better is Delhi city and East Punjab. The film is not really for these markets and it is because of Shahrukh Khan that the film has at least good collections in Delhi and East Punjab even though they are not as good as the rest of the country. The scored very well in Gujarat, West Bengal and South India. There is a big holiday tomorrow for Republic Day and it should improve further but it will be the Friday-Sunday business that will determine how big the five day weekend turns out to be.
The only good this does is to prevent filmy folks run to pimps like krk to deride others. This kind of thrashing serves well as a forewarning to Dutt biopic. I was thinking VVC/Hirani will take a call after Tubelight run and checking its box office turn and content but this clash will make them think twice or be ready get slaughtered at the ticket windows, not just with the initials but overall as Salman has zoned out towards milky way galaxy. Plus Ranbir is still to develop his fan base even after being in industry for 10 years now.
Keeping above in mind Raees/Kaabil clash outcome will be a documented forewarning.
Hirani won’t care. If it’s ready TZP got unlucky. If it’s not he won’t release. His history suggests he wants to make the right film. He is well intentioned. And BM dominated Dilwale, so Xmas is far more sensible for clashes. I doubt Hirani even cares if TZH is released. He’s chasing excellence remember not success.
Well if you read the newspapers, he is already offering excuses for Christmas release being ” auspicious ” for him……now as per Lage Raho Munna Bhai, I thought he was for anything but ‘auspicious’ & ‘superstitious’. Greenback makes the world go around …may be its pink now since the currency has changed!
Hirani and Aamir time the filming keeping release in mind.
Yes they will be able to build the chatter around clash and get people interested and then at the end of the day blame poor run to clash like what RR will do now though I like both Roshans and feel bad here.
Anyway it’s all still far off and discussion can take place when we get to it if we are still hanging around.
I’m not so naive to believe TZH will murder Dutt film on Day 1. But I’m not that naive to write off a guy who has probably claim to 4 of the best 20 films in last 15 years.
You have a point but all I will say is that Hirani is departing from his feel good social expositions. This is a ‘new’ genre and attempt and his actors may not connect. I for one thought with ADHM, KJO was going to take a shot at 200 cr Diwali patakha. It had everything the chartbuster songs, dances, moments, drama , cast & comedy…..but lacked ‘stars’ to carry it off.
Please don’t compare Sanjay Dutt with a Ranbir because at one time after Bachchan he was the only worthy successor to superstardom but for his personal turbulences and turmoils….
Yes Hirani has already asserted to make Dutt biopic humorous / lighter fun movie but Dutt life has been too dark and core audience may get put off by a complete lie….so it may work on one level but miss the boat on another !
but of-course he would love to avoid clash with Sallu – because Sallu is still a formidable force at the BO atleast for first week – he will sweep away all the audiences so RH without an Aamir is likely to tumble – Raju Hirani’s name as Producer in Sala Khadoos did no good to the film’s disastrous run……
Alia Bhatt is amazing. So are the rest of them. But I still feel there’s something missing in them. I wanted to watch Alia’s Highway but I couldn’t get myself to.
Why?
I was to do it. I was also to do Jab We Met. Back then, it was titled Geet. I had seen Socha Na Tha and instantly reached out to Imtiaz saying that he’s an incredible storyteller with a terrific future. I told him that I wanted to work with him and he had the script of (what is now) Jab We Met ready. He was looking for financiers.
There was a studio called Shri Ashtavinayak who wanted to sign me. I told them that let’s sign Imtiaz. He has a script ready. And let’s talk to Kareena Kapoor (Bobby had worked with Bebo in Ajnabee). The producers were like, oh no, that guy will make an expensive film. Kareena, on the other hand, didn’t even want to meet Imtiaz. I took them to Preity (his close friend and Soldier co-star). She agreed but said she can do it only after 6 months. So we were stuck.
Days passed. And suddenly I read that Ashtavinayak has signed Imtiaz for Jab We Met and Kareena is doing the film! And she had gotten her then boyfriend, Shahid Kapoor to act opposite her. I was like, wow. Quite an industry. We were also to do Highway together but he again did his own thing. But I have no hard feelings against him. He is a great director and doing so well. We’re still friends. But I always tell him: ‘Imtiaz, I won’t watch any of your films until you make one with me. That’ll be your best film.”
I am disappointed on Hrithik’s failure, now he is down to the level of the also rans, he made stupid decisions after another and has lost the single screen roots that he got due to D2 and KNPH etc. Well as far as SRK is concerned, he is in the game big time. A 150 Cr number for Raees will mean SRK will gain the momentum for his Imitiaz Ali starrer and back that up with his special appearance in TL, this will be his master plan to gear up for his Christmas release with Anand L Rai, for which he would be focused on 300 cr + Number.
Somehow i dont get this rhetoric of Muslim Dominated Areas? Anyways SRK bouncing back is good.
Then i think Aamir is missing this spotlight like Salman and SRK but then i see the Mega Blockbuster and Critical Appreciation of the movies is with him. Thats his strength and he will continue to go after it.
We should wait till Saturday numbers for both movies to see where they are heading. SRK movies opens big (even Fan) then starts to fizzle out due to quality/wom.
As per the trade estimates, Raees 1st day box office collection will be in the range of 21.50 crores. The film has fared very well in the late night shows.
Harsha Bhogle unplugged: Candid truths on BCCI sack, Big B, insecurity in cricket
By Akshay Sawai, ET Bureau | Updated: 23 Jan, 2017, 16:29 hrs IST
Nearly a year since Harsha Bhogle’s controversial ouster from the commentary box, he is in his unpretentious South Mumbai office, in jeans and black sneakers, humming `Chhoti si asha’. But there is another piece of music we discuss -`Mai pal do pal ka shaayar hoon’.
In his tribute to MS Dhoni on cricbuzz.com, Bhogle revealed that `Mai pal do pal’ was the former Indian captain’s favourite song. It’s all transitory, the song says. It is also the right philosophy, perhaps, for Bhogle to embrace as he deals with his professional setback.
“I do think I take that approach [now]. Initially, I took it very badly, I’ll be honest,” Bhogle says, a window to his right, and behind him a `Friends of Australia’ poster. He speaks softly but is engaged in the conversation, which is evident from the varying pitch of his seasoned voice. Candid statements are likely to be made in a flat tone.Emotional ones are delivered almost in a hoarse whisper, supported by gesticulation and a narrowing of eyes.
“No one told me what the matter [the reason for his sacking] was,” he says. “If someone had said `You’re not good enough’, that would’ve been fine. Some big players have been told that.Suppose I was told I violated a broadcasting ethic, even that would have been fine. But nobody could look me in the face and tell me, `This is the reason’. Eventually, I said if that’s what it is, that’s what it is. It’s been the biggest learning experience of my career.Offers started coming right away. Everyone thinks doors are shut, which is true… (pause)…but windows are open.”
Bhogle’s video blogs on Cricbuzz have received over 50 million views. And with his wife Anita, who runs a corporate speaking program, he has done 47 events since April 2016.
The Bachchan factor
An irony is brought to Bhogle’s notice.
`Mai pal do pal’ was filmed on Amitabh Bachchan, the man whose tweet about a telecast last year reportedly led to the commentator’s exit. Bachchan felt the commentators should have spoken more about Indian players. It was an oblique reference to Bhogle. Dhoni shared Bachchan’s tweet and fanned the flames.
“We are different people in different situations,” Bhogle says about the tweet. “I actually wrote to Mr Bachchan. I sent him a DM [Direct Message], saying how for the past 40 years I have admired him.
Amitabh Bachchan’s tweet about a telecast reportedly led to Bhogle’s exit.
When I was in college in Hyderabad, and if his film was releasing on Friday, a friend of mine would bunk class on Monday to get tick ets for the Saturday show.I also admired him for the dignity with which he carried himself. And I said in the message to him that given a chance, I will be happy to come and explain things to him.” Bhogle says Bachchan sent him a delayed but long reply. He does not reveal what the message said. “It was polite,” Bhogle says.
Bhogle, however, maintains it is worrisome that there is growing acceptance that broadcasters should align themselves on one side. “What I did explain [to Bachchan] was that on the Hindi telecast, we were very India-centric, though not biased, because the telecast was going only to this market. But we couldn’t do that with the English telecast, as it was going to various countries. In the past, Indian listeners would get angry when foreign commentators did not speak enough about the Indian team. We cannot be like that to the others.”
Advice to Dravid
“I can feel insecure at times,” Bhogle says. This is surprising given his popularity and body of work. Somewhere, success must have changed him. Not much, he says. He credits Anita for keeping him grounded. “My wife will not let that happen,” he says.
And it is for that reason he once told Rahul Dravid something.
“I remember telling Rahul many years ago, `Rahul, do any thing, don’t marry a fan’,” Bhogle says. “You must have someone who’ll tell you when you are do ing something wrong. That you were arrogant that day. You were insensitive that day. But if you mar ry a fan, who’s going to tell you that?
And I worry about some of our younger players because one of the problems with making money very early is everyone wants a piece of you. It happens a lot to our movie stars.”
The golden generation
Bhogle’s reply when asked who his friends in Indian cricket comes in an instant, “I don’t know. Sometimes it’s good not to have too many.” And then with some pain he says, “But I do miss the generation that’s gone. Sachin [Tendulkar], Rahul [Dravid], Anil [Kumble], Sourav [Ganguly], Srinath, [VVS] Laxman… It was a beautiful generation, where I never had to worry about what I’m saying. When Sachin was struggling, I once said, `Here’s an emperor walking the streets like a common man’. I did not hear back from anyone that, `Sachin did not like that’.
I could be completely frank, to the extent that Sourav on air asked me my opinion on something. I declined and told Sourav that he was the one who had played at the highest level. And he said, `How many World Cups have you covered? Go ahead, I want to know what you think’.”
The young don’t care about reputations
Not every player-turned-commentator has been gracious to Bhogle as Ganguly. Few viewers care about the position of the elbow yada-yada-yada, and yet ex-players make a big deal about their credentials over those who have not played professional cricket. “The image created in our cricket is if you haven’t played, you can’t live,” Bhogle says. “It stems from insecurity and arrogance. How many trucks did Ratan Tata drive? Does it mean he can’t run his company? It’s a very narrow way of looking at things.”
The only way for non-players to become commentators in this era, Bhogle says, is if TV bosses accept that the telecast is going to a wide audience. And you need people who relate to the wider audience, not a niche one. “The new generation of Indians is intolerant of reputations,” Bhogle says.”They’ll say `so what if you have played 50 Tests. Are you telling me a good story?
Back from RAEES!! Well, this is one of the wholesome films from SRK in ages. The film starts well with Raees childhood who gets his mother’s sayings and then start to live by them in his life. The whole graph from child to adult by working under someone and then trying to open his own business by using his brains is done very well. Then slowly becoming a thorn to other goons, he slowly and steadily kills his competetion to become the ultimate king of illegal liquor smuggling. Once he comes he has all police, politicians under his thump except a no-nonsense honest cop in Majumdar played by Nawazuddin.
The first half is pretty much very smooth sailing and no hurdles. The 2nd half time shifts as Raees plans to move into construction by building a colony for their area people. Here he is caught between politicians trick and sent to jail. To come out if jail, he runs elections and become victorious. Soon the colony plan gets stopped and then he ends up doing something unknowingly which forms the basis for climax and end. The 2nd half could have been something else but it has been integrated well but still it just makes the movie heavy and not repeat watchable to an extent.
SRK is in terrific form and its a full display of emotions without hardly any disinterested/loose scenes. Even though it is not full realistic movie but SRK has been in total sync with the character and never stepped out to display his regular mannerisms. Nawaz performed simply great and is actually scene stealer at places (with smart dialogues to his aid) and rises above role’s potential. Mahira Khan looked better than promos and did fine job as its more of supporting role to Raees’s character and not of real lead role. From the rest of the cast Zeeshan Ayub did good and all smaller actors like Atul Kulkarni, Narendra Jha, Jaideep Ahlawat etc had good characters to play around.
Music is fine with couple of great tracks including Laila song. The songs could have been major hindrance(still is to a minor extent) but has been integrated very well and there’s story montages in all songs and none of them are item or added songs such can be skipped.
The main strength of the movie is performances by SRK and Nawaz and their dialogues. Both of their looks are great with SRK pathanis and sweater look for cop. Action sequences are fine. Sets and all settings of 70’s, 80’s are done well and it is good visual to see old phones and not mobile phones on screen.
The proceedings and violence and heavy base might keep away women audience and that will limit the business. The movie is also little heavy to have easy multiple watches on big screen. That could also limit the final total. 10 mins trimming in 2nd half could help. Still as my expectation said earlier, this movie might end up doing 160 to 180 crores which would be good success considering the subject material and presentation. Unless the audience really takes on the movie and crosses 200cr which I can’t predict now and would be huge hit.
Thanks Sandyi. I forgot to mention but Rahul Dholakia has good eye for detail and setting up the whole gone by era is itself an achievement. Besides having great dialogues there is constant use of intelligent signs and not spoon-feeding masses type of tone consistently. This movie could have turned out badly in the hands of an average director.
I thot Mahira Khan was clever casting. She had the authentic looks to be the character easily and acted well as a wife who stood with him always. No high points, but stable throughout.
Yes Mahira was fine and looked lot better than the couple of scenes in promos. I know the folks who are disliking or hating her is not for her looks or acting but for something else.
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Today #Kaabil is rocking in single screens. Single screen shows are almost full, while yesterday’s occupancy was 20-25% only.
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HrithikRoshan’s #Kaabil showing very good jump today . At some places the jump was very big . @ihrithik @yamigautam @filmkraftfilms
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#Kaabil Wed ₹ 10.43 cr… Biz should escalate today [Thu; Republic Day].
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I might sound crazy but if Delhi and east Punjab jumps huge then raees has an outside chance of touching 30 cr on 3400 screens. And we could have the biggest single day going past 40 cr of Dangal. Still a big if as of now though..
Yes for now there is certainly a chance for 30 crores collection. Even if it falls at 28, it can still beat Dangal’s 40cr with Kaabil getting at least 13 crores.
These collections include the Tamil and Telegu versions. I don’t know how much they’ve reported for the Hindi version on its own. But it doesn’t seem they are being too dishonest as far as the first day is concerned.
Raees seems to have bumper opening again with 80% morning occupancy. Kaabil too seems to have taken huge jump with 60-65%. Lets see how close it gets by end of the day/evening shows. As per the industry tweets.
– SRK is a big star again
– Williams sisters in a final
– Nadal vs. Federer is a possibility
– Aamir is still not a star
– American share market hitting record levels
I know I am a big fan of tennis but roid era. Nadal, Djokovic, Stan, Serena etc all dopers. Perhaps Fed too but his style of play does not give that impression. Especially he gets tired in long matches. Look up for “curious case of Nadal”
Watched Kaabil, good watch but thats it. Nothing much to rave about. I found the treatment too simplistic . The main protagonist didn’t have to struggle much in this revenge saga, it should have been more dramatic. Performances wise it’s Hrithik film and he is terrific, didnt like Yami Gautam much.
Kaabil Has Low Day One
Thursday 26 January 2017 11.00 IST
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Kaabil had a low start on day one and could not really pick up the pace and collected just 7.75-8 crore nett on day one. Krrish in 2006 had collected 6 crore nett on just 900 screens which this film on almost three times the screens and almost 11 years later hardly does much better. Kites in 2010 managed to open to 10 crore nett plus on 1600 screens. It sort of puts into perspective the initial of the film. The film did have a issue on release as a multiplex chain dropped its shows on day of release to favour Raees. But even here that multiplex chain had little choice as it had only opened advances a day earlier and seeing the difference in advances they would be losing business if they did not give Raees more screenings. Also it hardly makes any difference as if you can’t collect on an X amount of shows you are hardly likely to do better if you have more shows, in fact its the opposite the occupancy will drop further..
The collections were not even able to match Mohenjo Daro which was Hrithik Roshan’s last release and also clashed with another film Rustom but maybe it has to be taken into account that Raees is a bigger film than Rustom. This is something the makers should also have seen and released Kaabil a couple of weeks earlier. The film has not collected well anywhere but places like West Bengal, Bihar and Gujarat are even worse. The hope is probably that its a big national holiday for Republic Day and there is huge spare capacity for the film so the potential is there for big jump in business. The bigger problem is that if the huge jump does somehow come is that it will have to hold at those levels on Friday and over the weekend.
The film was also released in Tamil and telugu which grossed around 25 lakhs nett.
Raees Has Strong First Day
Thursday 26 January 2017 11.30 IST
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Raees did very well on day one as it grossed 20.25-20.50 crore nett on day one. The film easily beat the competition of Kaabil as it put up far higher numbers. The business of the film is similar to Dilwale released in 2015 but on the face of it that was a bigger film for an initial although eventually the content was not accepted in India. The film scored very strongly in Mumbai, South and West Bengal while CP Berar was also strong. The other markets were decent to good with the under performance coming in East Punjab. Delhi city was also lower but the whole DUP circuit recovered somewhat with the business of UP. The film having a Gujarat base and flavor probably affected the collections up North. South India should also not being these numbers for a mass film like this but the Shahrukh Khan factor worked there big time.
Despite a big first day the film and Kaabil not being much of a factor on day one it would still probably have done 4-5 crore nett more if it was a solo release. It managed to get 3400 screens which is good for a clash but the fact is you get less of those peak time screenings with a clash and even if the other film is not really collecting you can’t afford to have less peak time shows as that is when collections are best.
There is a big national holiday and collections will jump in most places though places which are strong like South and West Bengal may not show huge growth as they are already high. North India will show good growth but the Friday business in north is more crucial as if the film sustains there then it will definitely emerge a winner. The opening day number is the fourth highest ever for a Shahrukh Khan starrer after Happy New Year, Chennai Express and Dilwale.
Don’t know what has happened to srk but he is even sharing screenshots of advance booking
This is so embarassing 🙈🙈Even newcomers are more dignified to share screenshots of advance booking!! https://t.co/KKB8ywPqWg— ℋazra ツ (@h_hazra) January 26, 2017
at this rate when Raees will do 100 cr – he will be declared poor man’s aamir and Raees will be declared as 300 cr hit – BOI ki daring or SRK ka dimaag 😉
The screen count was 50-50 today and Raees will touch 26 crs and Kaabil will touch 14 crs. All the Roshan crying for 40% 1st day actually helped them get better shows at least on important day.
Watched Raees, a one time watch. Liked the first half, was entertaining despite routine stuff, but the film loses momentum in the second half.Its overly stretched and plays on your nerves many a times. Didnt like the ending too. Performances wise SRK is first rate, Nawaz is good but I dont think he overshadows SRK at any point. Mahira Khan has nothing much too.
Honestly to say, it is SRK’s Agneepath. Even though not iconic as Amitabh’s one, it had same dark done to it especially in 2nd half. Agneepath also flopped during its time due to its dark tone. Now a days public is little more aware so will give it a chance and might turn out to be hit(needs 150 crs to be Hit).
Also, I don’t think its editing issue. The sequences were sharp but it was heavy and little dark and that lost the momentum. I don’t think it can be blamed on editing though. Though seeing the drop, they should have edited 10 mins out as I said in my review.
It is another way of getting back at SRK and his fans! 😛
Nawazudheen was adequate, cold, clever and indifferent. There wasnt a fight, even a chase scene between him and Raees, to really involve him in action. Maybe it is somewhat due to the reputation also, that him just being there means terrific acting..a parallel cinema kind of track..
I liked the sidekick role actor, named Sadiq in the movie, more. And I am thankful, the cliche of the sidekick dying somewhere towards the end was avoided in the movie!
Agreepath required multiplex era to work .. audience in 1990 (Majority was lower working class) was not smart enough to get the voice change over by Amitabh, they thought it is some sound issue. At that time 60-70% cinemas were talkies with Dabba sound .. Agneepath required technologically advanced theater for experience. Still movie got around 3 Crore audience in long run which was not bad .. but bachchan standard for event movies was much higher. Coolie drew more than 8 Crore footfalls .. which was highest of 80’s decade.
I doubt it had anything to do with multiplex and audience taste.It was a bakwas movie and badly directed. Mukul Anand was selling him all the baloney and Khuda Gawah was another ott idiocy making him be different. There were two major flaws in this movie which turned off the ‘movie paying audience’ and one was Bachchan’s experimentation with his voice trying to do a hoarse Marlon Brando (Godfather) or a Al Pacino (Scarface) and then there was all the hamminess throughout the movie……playacting to be precise.
A major part of all the parody we get on comedy nights etc these days with ‘hainnn’ and ‘aayee saala’ and ‘apun ko’ etc may have originated during this stage of his career. Suddenly the all appealing ‘apun saala’ , ‘ kai ko’ and ‘phodh dalegaa’ of Amar Akbar Anthony became a sore visual in the later part his innings…. Look at the scene in the link below and compare this to what he was doing in Don, Deewar and Trishul or even with the famous drunkard scene of AAA…….actors degenerate with time.
This ridiculousness has gone on for too long. I stay away from commenting on such comments but there’s some straw that breaks the camel’s back.
**It was a bakwas movie and badly directed. Mukul Anand was selling him all the baloney and Khuda Gawah was another ott idiocy making him be different. **
Any hardly-dying or a driving-hard-drunk fan of Salman Khan ‘Bhai’ has NO business talking of ‘acting’ credentials of other actors. Period. As Amitabh says in PINK, actor-manual number 1 – Fans of an ‘actor’ who has not evolved beyond a freaking 2-note expressions since 1989 hardly has any business even using words like ‘hamminess’ associated to an actor like Dhawan let alone Amitabh Bachchan. This is literally like Suresh Kalmadi commenting on the honesty of an Anna Hazare or a ‘Bhai’ commenting on the driving capabilities of a Schumacher.
AGNEEPATH is a ‘bad’ film!!! What the hell? It was the 1990s. In 1989, you had the seminal PARINDA and in ’88, you had NAYAKAN. Mukul Anand made a film that was a technological re-working of DEEWAR – a very, very promising director. The intent was that. There was an evolving ‘technology’ in the mood.
Yes, no doubt it was heavily lifted from SCARFACE and DEEWAR but the brilliant honesty with which Mukul shot the film was outstanding. Consider the scene where Amitabh talks of the ‘dishonesty’ of a phone conversation; or his confrontation with Deepak Shirke and the slimy mud fight: This is histrionics of the highest order – a fantastic depiction IN LINE with the pitch the movie aimed for: Not for some stupid reason has Amitabh’s act become a cult-classic on which the mathematically-challenged Roshan’s son piggy-rode on AGNEEPATH and made a PAANIPATH of a film with his shedding bucket of tears whether there was a scheduled power-shut down in his chawl or whether Chopra decided to have a lunatic birthday song.
I mean, I should really not take this comment seriously but for a Salman Khan fan to comment on Amitabh is the height of whatever you want to call it — an actor who Satyjajit Ray WISHED would have worked with but had to be content with having a voice-over in SHATRANJ KE KHILADI: An actor whom Desai would scold when Amitabh wound up on his shoot after working with Mukherjee that one is out of Hrishikesh’s shoot and now is in MANMOHAN’s world – and it would take all of 5 minutes for this actor to straddle the world of Desai and Hrishikesh or Sippy or chatterjee’s films.
This actor’s ‘hamminess’ is talked about by a fan of an actor who has carried the same expressions as tweeted by his father right from his birth!!
Go figure..
As ‘Bhai’ himself says: When we made PHIR MILENGE – a meaningful film – SAALA EK KUTTA BHI NAHI AAYA DEKHNE KO — this is Salman the ‘actor’ trying to ‘act’ sitting on a wheel-chair…yes, here, he himself is handling the wheel-chair..
Satyam, I know we all don’t like CIGAETTE SMOKING IS INJURIOUS TO HEALTH at the corner of the screens but I think you should start implementing it on certain comments..
Yes please start blocking and banning comments the minute inadequacies of the so called ‘Devta of acting’ and ‘God of cricket’ are sighted. So much for representative and impartial commenting…… Please don’t bully and indulge in ‘thought control’ just because it differs from your point of view at ‘any given time’. I say ‘any given time’ because choices / thoughts / likings change and we are public and we decide what is good and bad if anyone is putting himself up there in the public arena. Something I may have revered earlier may be a target of my antipathy because I am the master of my own choices at any given time.
Members here abuse, ridicule and deride Salman so many times and do I get riled up? I just offer an alternative side of Salman which many miss here which is why he is where he is outside this blog. And what is this about a Salman fan not fit to talk about ‘acting’ baloney? Just few weeks back I listed all the great hindi movies I loved in the last decade and except BB where the fuck is there any mention of Salman movies there. So being a fan of a particular star I cannot enjoy and comment on movie of anyone else because you ‘own’ that actor?
I accept I am not a good writer but with my limited vocabulary I just offered a point of view on Agneepath which I had disliked just the way I hated SRK’s Don. I hated Mukul Anand (god rest his soul in peace) because he tried to film scene in hollywood style with bull shit lighting and angles and failed. As regular viewer / audience I was disturbed I could not make a shit out there and saw a great actor getting butchered on screen. Thats why I offered a link with that evidence. I could freakin spam the shit out of this blog with hundreds of such hammy links but I don’t do that.
Well if it pleases you I can stop commenting if my commenting is hurting your feelings. But my two cents to people here please counter comment on the content without getting personal as no celebrity is our mai baap and even if we praise them repetitively or criticize them like a broken record. Questioning people intellect, or how dumb they are to think like this or that, a person needs to be from Bihar if he/she does not enjoy a multiplex movie etc…. I will suggest tone it down if you don’t wish to be insulted yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
An Jo you can continue with your thought process. My comment was just my frustrations with Bollywood faltering whenever they have attempted a Indian Pacino / Godfather. BV was hidden behind that Mumbai Fables novel shit but all along it was Kashyap trying to do a Pacino of Scarface with Ranbir. These movies cannot be generated at anybody’s whims and the process is time consuming. There is a story behind Marlon Brando preparation and how he stuffed his cheeks with cotton wool to get those famous jowls of Vito Corleone and to date remains a fascinating character on screen. That is the dedication and preparation required which unfortunately barring Aamir none posses in Hindi cinema at the moment or even before.
I have already said SRK keepings falling flat in that genre with Raam Jaane, Duplicate, Don and then there was Dilwale lately. I have not seen Raees but will check it out this weekend. Aamir knows his limitations so never experimented with that genre and in fact backed out from even a Darr with negative shades something which was so well flushed out and made SRK the superstar we know.
Surprisingly Devgn has been the best gangsta for me in Hindi movies whether it was playing a Dawood Ibrahim in Company or Othello take in Omkara. He even did well as Haji Mastan with Once Upon a Time in Mumbai. The best gangster Indian movie for me is still Satya and loved that ‘quiet’ Chakravarty guy. I have fondness for gangsters when they are quiet and talk less rather doing chapad chapad like a cheapster. Bachchan in original Don was thoroughly enjoyable for those very reasons. Even Dilip Kumar was fantastic in Vidhaata. Yes Salman too in tapori gangster mode in Wanted worked for me though it had a twist in the end.
**Please don’t bully and indulge in ‘thought control’ just because it differs from your point of view at ‘any given time’. I say ‘any given time’ because choices / thoughts / likings change and we are public and we decide what is good and bad if anyone is putting himself up there in the public arena. **
Livewire, please don’t turn this around and try to lay a guilt trip. This is NOT about whether one likes anyone or dislikes. This is about ‘consistency’ in one’s thought-process. If one is so interested in dissecting ‘minute’ inadequacies of Amitabh as an actor, it wouldn’t be a stretch to expect that one dissects one’s idol with the same scissor.
Honestly, the only question I have for yo is:
1) How-ever many bums on the seat Salman might bring in, is he on par, or, a ‘better’ star-actor than Amitabh?
If your answer to the above question is YES, then there is nothing left to be discussed.
If no, then just for your information, here’s what PETER NAPSTAD — you know, those folks who are used to stuff like
Stalinslavsky’s method acting — wrote on Amitabh in Agneepath –
“But Amitabh is great. Granted, Amitabh is nearing fifty at this point and perhaps not the best choice for yet another “angry young man” performance, but he nails it anyway. He had been in politics — had been encouraged by his friend, then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, and was elected in 1984. But he gave up his seat in parliament before his term was up, having been implicated in one of the biggest scandals of Gandhi’s government, in which it was claimed that the Swedish Bofors field gun company paid huge bribes to Congress politicians and officials in order to win a big $1.3 billion contract to supply weapons to the Indian Army. Bachchan stepped down, and fought implications of his involvement in the conspiracy in court and in the media. At the same time he vowed to never enter government again. And suddenly, there is AGNEEPATH. He had walked the path of fire, he was ridiculed by the people, but he was still standing. And not only that, he is just about unstoppable. There are a couple TERMINATOR-like moments that are just fabulous. Sure, you can put a few bullets in Vijay, but so what? As he tells his opponents early on in the film, as he lays his gun on the table, “Bullets will not decide who wins this contest. Fate will decide it.”” [http://www.illuminatedlantern.com/cinema/review/archives/agneepath.php]
And here’s Rangan, who, clearly states that this isn’t one of his favorite Amitabh’s performances, but still conveys how it was important that Amitabh performed the way he performed –
” At no point in Agneepath was I able to buy Hrithik Roshan as a gangster. The Bachchan performance in the earlier film is not one of my favourites – but even amidst the very showy (and distracting) histrionics, we were never allowed to lose sight of the anger within the character. And without that anger, there is no fire – no matter how many times you recite Agneepath.”
As I mentioned in one of my comments on DANGAL, ‘showiness’, at some stage or other of an actor’s life, comes into picture [Kamal Haasan in MAHANADI]. But bare-bones are revealed when one is thrown out of one’s comfort zone or lethargy – Kamal Hassan’s performance post-superstardom on the heels of Mohanlal’s DRISHYAM – blew me out of my mind and is a case in PAPANASAM is a case in point. That is the ‘true’ strength of a star-actor: Because the innate talent is never lost; it is just invested away in a locker to bring it back when a film ‘demand’s it; and the success of a star-actor is when he or she is able to ‘command’ such talent at his or her will.
Could you please provide us folks any evidence of such ‘evolution’ or ‘devolution’ in the career of Salman Khan as an ‘actor’?
When Nawaz says that ‘Bhai’ won’t give a ‘second’ take you dismiss it off as the result of Salman’s ‘prodigious’ talent, and then, in the same breath, you question Amitabh’s ‘haminess’ in AGNEEPATH?? You talk of Brando stuffing cotton balls in his jowls, but then talk of ‘connection’ to the audience that Salman has as the MOST important thing ever!!
I, for one, have never said that Amitabh cannot be bad in a film. He was at his WORST in SHOOTOUT AT LOKHANDWALA.It was as though he was ‘doing’ a job there. It had indifference written all over it. But Amitabh’s performance in AGNEEPATH or KHUDA GAWAH can hardly be considered ‘hammy.’
And your comparison of Amitabh’s performance in DON to his performance in AGNEEPATH is totally, completely wrong. They are TOTALLY 2 different worlds, with only the word DON uniting them..
PS: It would be encouraging for you to read the way Amitabh portrayed his role in DEEWAR in his posts..here..
And a point to remember, these responses of mine have come after your UMPTEEN attempts at trying to bring ‘attention’ to Amitabh’s ‘haminess’. After restraining myself for long, I had to write on the double standards; and this will be the final outing.
The answer to your question is a big NO. Have I ever mentioned anywhere that Salman is better star-actor than a Bachchan or even comparable? In fact may be not even 10% when Bachchan is in top form. Since you brought it up and on an aside why can’t we at the same time admit that Salman phenomenon is much more intelligent than you and many here credit him for being accomplished, savvier with required skill set for his profession and is not all dhinka chika bhaandgiri. He is no Rajesh Khanna who went phuss like a fad after couple of years. Ideally he should have been out of circulation by late 90s if his antics were just a passing fancy. There is more depth to him then this blog credits him. (Anyways that is for another time to discuss)
My comment was about a movie I was frustrated with and wished to like and do well …..may be the way I root for some of the other stars now. All these Agneepath, Hum and Khuda Gawah (don’t remember the box office) did not turn out to be a craze like a Namak Halal, Naseeb or even a Khuddar. Few of them were outright hilarious in a bad way like those Ganga Jamuna Saraswati , Toofan , Jaadugar , Insaaniyat. For purists even a Shahenshah never realized its full potential and the same paan chewing adorable Vijay of Don was out of place in Shahenshah in that police officer part and cringe worthy to watch. My comment was also hinting at cronyism when at various stages of stardom people (newbie directors /producers) come and sell ideas to the falling hero,, massage their egos and few of them are outright hacks and I thought Mukul Anand though not a hack was highly overrated and overestimated. Sadly due to his untimely death we would never know in absolute terms.
Secondly don’t ever mention actors don’t ham. It happens even in Hollywood with a Cruise and Affleck and when you watch some of the mid 90s Deniro and Al Pacino they have been accused of playacting. Also it’s a fact actors degenerate and become a parody of them with time. Bachchan deterioration had started with Sharaabi (a movie I liked but never loved) and there were borderline hammy scene which seemed like a marvel in a Namak Halal but out of place in these new movies. I don’t remember bachchan filmography properly but from late 80s to 2000 he was atrocious and embarrassing for a good part as an actor. This is a fact you cannot deny as an honest observer…. ……rest there is no debate. Media narratives as Satyam very recently pointed out are driven with time and era for example suddenly salman replaces a srk in these narratives.
Good actors pick themselves and make that correction with time like Deniro or Pacino have done with Meet The Focker and Joy lately…..and Bachchan comes in the same category of greats and finally grounding himself to top form with Pink and a Piku with audience appreciation visible in box office terms after all those years of wilderness and empty theater where sadly not many kuttas visited otherwise Buddha Hoga Tera Baap would be a box-office marvel.
In her comeback appearance in Tamil filmdom after a decade, actress Kajol will be seen playing a sophisticated businesswoman in Dhanush’s upcoming Tamil action-drama “VIP 2”, a source has revealed.
“She plays a suave businesswoman, and there will be different shades to her character. She has already joined the sets and has already shot for a week,” a source from the film’s unit told IANS.
The film is the sequel to “Vela Illa Pattathari”, and it’s being directed by Soundarya Rajinikanth.
Asked if the rumours about Kajol playing the antagonist are true, the source said: “Her character is such that she will lock horns with Dhanush, but that doesn’t qualify to make her the antagonist.
“Audiences are in for a surprise when they watch the film.”
The film will be predominantly shot in Pune, apart from a few places in southern India.
Dhanush’s Wunderbar Films is bankrolling the project.
This was a great watch MYAamir,
I wonder if and when Bachchan will respond..lol
P.S.- the Amazon price for the book has gone up from $23 to $29.99.
I should have pre ordered it,
Raees Beats Dangal in UK – Scores In US / Canada
January 26, 2017
BoxofficeIndia
Raees had a strong start in United Kingdom as it grossed £126,000 on its first day which was a working day. The film beat Dangal which released a day earlier as that film grossed £121,000 and also on 152 sites. Raees opened on just 90 sites on Wednesday.
In US / Canada it also took a huge start for a midweek release. The opening day on a non Friday release is only behind Sultan and Prem Ratan Dhan Payo. It also managed to beat Dangal here. The film was released by Zee Studios in the big Overseas markets of US / Canada and United Kingdom. Below are the figures for releases in US / Canada for films which released midweek.The number of sites is in brackets.
Raees (2017) – $375,000 apprx (275)
Dangal – $328,227 (331)
Dear Zindagi (2016) – $1,87,615 (145)
Sultan (2016) – $502,742 (261)
Prem Ratan Dhan Payo (2015) – 387,431 (284)
Bang Bang (2014) – $170,528 (271)
Chennai Express ((2013) – $196,016 (144)
Jab Tak Hai Jaan (2012) – $319,256 (161)
Ek Tha Tiger (2012) – $209,007 (120)
Agneepath (2012) – $72,632 (132)
Bodyguard (2011) – $192,622 (86)
3 Idiots (2009) – $180,514 (119)
Ghajini (2008) – $163,942 (83)
Raees had a strong start in United Kingdom as it grossed £126,000 on its first day which was a working day. The film beat Dangal which released a day earlier as that film grossed £121,000 and also on 152 sites. Raees opened on just 90 sites on Wednesday
These days, it’s easy to check the numbers because BOI is not the only doing it. Also, everyone pretty much reports the same numbers now so if BOI somehow ups the number for Raees, everyone will know. This has nothing to do with being naive about BOI. I have always said the same thing…look at their numbers, not their words. I go there for numbers. If it’s opinions I want then there are far better places to go.
thecooldude, you’re not understanding my point. Eg BOI theoretically has stated fact on Us numbers at face value. The narrative laid to bear is optically Raees has opened bigger than Dangal…That’s the headline act and story. The devil is always in the detail, eg Dangal did not release full day so the numbers are factually correct like you keep saying but they are comparing apples to oranges as usual. A casual viewer would be manipulated, that is what this site is doing. It props up figures for SRK figures on opening…I know this as NG had all the figures. You compare now those same numbers are adjusted.
Numbers are declared on release to serve a propaganda story, without anyone knowing … Months or years later they are changed. One glaring example is OSO. At the time of release it’s total collection were well over 80 CR on BOI like 85 CR if memory serves me right, now they are 78 CR. It’s a few CR – minor stuff but still peddling lies.
Also, do checkout how BOI treated HNY when it came out. When every BO pundit gave it a 44 CR opening (I think it was 42 hindi and 2 regional) which were the producers using the Roshan Sr. calculator, BOI stuck with their number (forgot if it was 37 or 38). This is what I mean. They NEVER take producers numbers and there so called SRK bias was not really evident that day.
They play this game all too often …Hype up at beginning. Declare he’s biggest. Few months later reduce numbers, only 1/1000 people care about latter but 999/1000 read the first thing.
I mentioned it that time also. I was off and I watched Dangal morning 11am show on Wednesday. So, whole preview talk is BS. Maybe it didn’t rlease in some states. Either ways it was still holiday period in US whereas Raees is pure work week in US. I know regular desi theatres anyways have shows from 4pm as not many come but other cinemas like AMC and others start morning.
Actually schools don’t start the holidays until the christmas week so the public schools and most of the colleges WERE NOT closed on that wednesday (or that thursday, or friday). First days off for public school was monday december 26
BOI is making a false comparison..period. Dangal was a 7 PM release that wednesday and Raees was a full blown release yesterday and Raees won by only $47000.
Looks almost certain as even if its a few lakhs short, Papa Roshan’s calculator will take it ahead…
And now this is the only holiday these two films will see in their run. So much fight and bad blood for 6-7 crs extra…
The loser here is Raees. Even if kaabil had released solo, I don’t think it would have done more than 20 crs more than what it would otherwise do in its run. But Raees was a movie which needed a solo run as it had potential. Even without a holiday it would have opened big due to its super trailor and massy feel and that was proved by yesterdays opening. IMO just the first 2 days would be nearing 70crs when now it is sitting with 46 crs..Over its entire run, it might end up losing a sizeable amount.
I do get that it is not tremendously liked but the movie seems on a surer footing than a Dilwale or a Happy New Year…It might end up crossing Dilwale (already it is 6 crs ahead over first 2 days) but i don’t know if it can get to 180 to 190 cr range of HNY. Without a clash that would have been a cakewalk and maybe even 250 crs was possible…
Such a disastrous decision – all for a single holiday, so much bad blood, so much loss in collection – I don’t know what it all achieved except a few inflated egos. They say common sense is not so common, and we see examples of that so clearly..
Agree totally. Clashing is a bad decision and I kept saying it can’t cross 200 in a non festive period. It is almost impossible unless you have 3I or Dangal type of WOM. I also kept saying at best it’ll be best above average WOM as its that type of movie which can’t gather 100% wom. Besides the subject matter keeping families and women away. Almost all my points are correct.
If it can get to 100 cr in 5 days (which it should) it can get to 200 crs…But nothing beyond as even with a better than good WOM, Jolly LLB will take over lot of screens…
20 + 26 + 18 + 20 + 24 will take it to 108 crs…Then if it can be around 11 to 12 cr on MOnday, then it can get pretty close to crossing 200 crs..
Dilwale was around 10 cr on its first Monday which was its 4th day though…This can be close to 11 to 12 crs considering it has more support from smaller centres and better feedback..
But you do have a point on the genre of the movie…I haven’t seen it but if it is more on the lines of Agneepath, there can be a limiting factor in that kind of masala..
I agree, the clash has been particularly unfavourable for Raees, because it was the film with all the craze. Even if it did not have long legs, it could have maximised its business in one or two weeks and reached a much bigger total. And of course, if it had long legs, it could have had a short at some of the records. If Kaabil is not decimated, and continues to keep up with Raees albeit at a much lower end, it does mean loss of screens and serious revenue for the film with the better potential. I think Raees should have released in the OK Jaanu week – would have maximised business. Also, Rakesh Roshan is no pushover. if SRK is cunning, RR is a fiercely protective father who will use his influence and long years in the business to do anything to prop up Hrithik’s film.
I think they decided long back to give more gap from Dangal and opted for last week in Jan. 2 weeks after Dangal would bring lot of unnecessary comparisions and to think of Dangal did 100 crs in just week 2. I think Jan last week was fine with audience getting a break and then coming back to movies. Just there shouldn’t have been a clash.
This whole “I need a holiday to get to the highest total” is the biggest myth around…One of these days Aamir should release a movie on a non holiday month and debunk it. All a movie needs is 3 weeks of open run…It doesn’t need a single holiday and if content is there it can get to the biggest totals. Dangal was somewhat an example as though it didn’t have a holiday it still was the holiday season. Till now no movie has gone past 200 releasing in the non holiday period. I think YJHD was the highest…But that’s more due to the lack of content…
IMO Raees should have released in the week when Baar Baar Dekho released. It was another Excel movie which pretty much didn’t need that period for release. And Yes even a early Jan release would have been fine for it. All in all , irrespective of the films fate, a big lost opportunity for SRK as he has already lost 70 odd crs off the final total with this clash…
Dangal released in the festive period but didn’t get a single holiday, so did lose out on 15-20 crores easily. Would have otherwise been a sure shot 400 crore. But yes, point is a film can still do very well without a holiday, as long it gets most of the screens to itself, and can maximize its potential.
Still not sure how is the wom on Raees. But going by the audience feedback so far it looks decent entertainer for aam junta and much better than his movies like hny, dilwale, ce etc.
With solo release it could have targeted around 250crrs+
Now it will be doing what? Around 150-160crrs?
SRK is called business minded but I am not sure or he can calculate the gain/loss in clash during holiday or solo release during non holiday.
Kaabil also looks like heading for 110crrs or so which could have done around 150crrs without clash.
Raees wins the clash but seems to be bigger loser in the overall picture.
RR announced date first so SRK should not have clashed. Or if not for RR’s ego they could have averted as HR career also took hit with MJD. But well.
It will be interesting to see how TZH performs (although Hiranl’s product could be blockbuster or could be big dud as I am still not confident/like the idea of movie on Dutt. Many people are already not happy thinking that Hirani will glorify him)
Raees and Sadiq mete out punishment to a mill owner who is watching the iconic Amitabh Bachchan movie Kaala Patthar at a drive-in. The mill owner learns the hard way that the Angry Young Man on the screen is not merely a piece of fiction. Raees has loud echoes of Salim-Javed’s scripts for Bachchan in the 1970s, and the drive-in sequence is a clever retro tribute to the power of the past to ricochet through the actual and cinematic present.
I have no doubt that Raees will win some small battle with Dangal here or there (UK, Gulf perhaps and markets like Gujraat) but let’s be real folks. Unless friday – sunday is something amazing, it may not even become SRK’s biggest grosser ever. Dangal is not just on a different planet…it’s a different freaking galaxy.
What’s with Gujarat? Dangal did roaring business everywhere but relatively underperformed in Gujarat. Is this because of the panga Aamir took with the State and Modi in 2006 vis a vis Narmada Andolan. I just didn’t see any reason why collections should have been on the lower end here when it terrific everywhere else?
For, Raees, it is the other way round. East Punjab is weak and Gujarat is excellent.
I don’t think its the NBA panga that affected it. I believe both 3I and PK did great over there. Not really sure if the Punjab setting does not work in Gujraat (or vise versa in Raees’ case)
Sandy – maybe yes – he made some very foolish statements reg Narmada Andolan without understanding the other side – so yeah ppl of Gujarat have not entirely forgiven him but I thin 3I / D3 / PK did reasonable business…..as Raees Director is Gujju and the story is based in Gujarat – initial few days will be good but then it may tank as families will keep away
I’m not sure Raees will tank. I’m wrong on Kaabil it will net > 50 CR now over this 5 day period with or without the calculator…But Raees seems to have steam beyond this weekend. Kaabil I’m not so sure. Having seen neither I’m sure I’ll end up wrong as I usually am.
This is pure “fictional stuff” being peddled around as all Aamir films after Fanaa did fantastic business in Gujarat as people don’t hold grudges against a movie as Dangal is testimony to Aamir’s intolerance remarks not affecting the business prospects of a movie!! But MOVIE should be good is the prerequisite to success, all else is just to offer lame excuses for the failure!! Raees didn’t open as good in Delhi/Punjab territory as most Shahrukh films tend to but it’s not due to his intolerance remarks but because the setting & premise of the film didn’t excite as much as say a CE or HNY. So it is outright naive to attribute Aamir’s NBA remarks in April 2006 to the comparative underperformance of Dangal or any of his movies!! If that were to be true, PK, Dhoom 3, 3 idiots would not have been able to set all time circuit records in Mumbai territory!!
Agree Gujurat is an anomaly, but if the intolerance comments couldn’t hinder Dangal I doubt 10 year old comments will be living memory. Just an oddity. Not much more than that.
Many box office myths have been blown away in last couple of months;
– Dangal laid to bear that Aamir does not need D3/YRF or Hirani to deliver. He can do so even when a competitor tries to steal his thunder
– form is temporary, class is permanent. Dangal lost screens in W4, yes it was a crap film but follow the week drops. W2 around 40%. W3 around 60%. W4 70% ( competition ). W5 it’s going to drop 40-45%. It recovers a bit. The game changing week is week 2. 30 years ago you needed a film to hold the attention span for many weeks to rack up big totals. 10 years ago a few weeks. Now it’s 2 weeks or possibly 3 weeks. Only Aamir has delivered consistently on this. D3 failed, Ghajini, 3Idiots, PK and Dangal didn’t.
– holidays, Dangal’s two big holidays fell on Sunday, despite this it still destroyed all records. It still does the odd exceptional thing like W5 Friday > W4 Thursday or W5 Tuesday > W5 Monday. Very rare but such films can do it
– SRK has proven despite competition a film with big star buzz on lower screens can collect huge. You don’t need holidays, just a strong product
-also that theory that CE lost out due to OUATIM is disproved by Raees and Kaabil. The former proves given whatever screen count you can optimize capacity. The latter proves that if given MORE screen count you just lower your occupancy. Ultimately it’s about how hot your film is or the buzz or the WOM.
In short less is more sometimes. Over exposed or too much can kill the brand. If I were Bollywood I’m 100% sure making 50% less films a year, giving more room in the calendar & working like a dog on scripts (like Aamir, Hirani and co) will make more money overall & produce better content. Churning 300+ films is too many. Holidays should 100% be occupied by those brands/banners who delivered,. It should be meritocracy e.g. Ranbir deserved a big holiday release post YJHD, Ranveer got Xmas post Ram Leela etc. Till Aamir, Salman or SRK fail 2-3 times in a row the calendar won’t shift. I’d also given the fact that Raees has done ridiculous business on just over 3000 screens, start to cap releases in screen count. No need to grow so fast just chasing opening day/weekend records.
One spends months to years to make 1 film and look for 2-3 day holiday windfall is dumb business. Apple, Pharmaceuticals, car manufacturers, technology companies would laugh at this model. No longetivity is built in. It’s a shorters stock market. In that market, all creativity and creative juices are lost.
What couldve been a gritty subject with great execution was I believe ruined by his intereference in an effort to make the film more massy and universally relatable.
The result: a mess. na idhar ki na udhar ki. Its high time he puts his ego in check and puts his trust in directors who know what theyre doing.
Back from Kaabil. If Raees was example of 70’s & 80’s movie era then Kaabil also is from the same era but the difference is Raees reminds of good part of that time whereas Kaabil reminds of the bad part.
The movie starts well albeit slowly and then proceeds to the main crux of the film where the leading lady gets abused. The next 15 mins are the only highlight of the movie. The emotions are genuine and Hrithik’s performance in the police station is exemplary. The stage is set for riveting 2nd half but alas the director has taken leaf from bad commercial films. Even Papa Roshan’s Khoon Bhari Maang in 80’s was more riveting than this 2016 venture.
The plot is pretty simple and then the revenge is much more predictable and it has loopholes of football stadium sizes. There’s not an iota of suspense, intrigue in the killings done by the lead character. It is so ridiculous but only reason it doesn’t stop being completely laughable is the sincerity of Hrithik who’s giving it all he has(even though its the same expressions from his Papa’s franchise movies). There’s literally a scene where he pretends to be a kid’s father to the school principal and he has to play a parsi guy and he just speaks like Rohit from Koi Mil Gaya.. for him there’s no difference in Parsi guy or mentally challenged kid.
The main flaw of the movie is that in potraying a blind person as normal they ended up making him superman. Firstly its huge task for even a regular person to take revenge against local MLA and his brother and then the hero is blind. He just hops into supermarket with a trolley and goes into each alley personally and select exactly the stuff he needs from the knives, attacking weapons, rope. He’s doing everything as a normal person and even the revenge murders are done so openly without any idea of faking or hiding it. His only way to save himself.. ‘Hey am blind, no one can prove me in court’. It’s basically they just kept blind line for the end but the whole revenge drama is written as normal as for a regular hero. He has no limits.. he calls villains to meet him in the weirdest locations and he’s there waiting in dark hiding under the hoodie.
Performance wise Hrithik is exceptional in few of the scenes but he just appears sincere in the rest of the movie and not really nailed the role. The movie doesn’t demand that kind of acting display to win an award. Yami is alright and hardly makes an impact. Ronit and Rohit roy are bad caricature villains and even the talented Girish Kulkarni(of Dangal Coach fame) is just 1 note actor in this movie. Narendra Jha is alright and is better than the other supporting actors.
Songs are not much except Urvashi’s remix song right after interval.
The only positive of the movie is that its popcorn stuff and very light so it’s an easy watch. Some of the sequences and the foundation of revenge are well done and I think only basis of that scenes and Hrithik’s sincerity will help the movie to reach to a respectable total. Rest, there’s nothing much to like. I’m shocked how any real critic can give this movie 4 stars out of 5. That is just not possible.
Overall movie is below average and hardly makes an impact. Hrithik does make a small impact and movie is recommended only if you like Hrithik. If you don’t like him to an extent, there’s nothing else to watch here. In comparison, it is almost equal or just better than Shivaay. I know that movie had its own takers, so there will be so takers for Kaabil too.
For me the problem was the overly simplistic treatment in 2nd half. The man didn’t had to struggle much for his revenge, it all became too easy for him. It should had more substance . The planning and execution of the revenge was banal and doesn’t arise the curiosity and you dont marvel the way it is carried out.
Loopholes? Could you please point out some in Spoilers Alert.
Without revealing much its got to do with the murders.Even 30 yaers back Andha Kanoon had better murders without proof.Just killing someone and then dropping a handkerchief with villain’s initials on then is so B-grade. Also he’s blind and wouldn’t know the kerchief had villain’s initials. Like that I found many..but I don’t like to review in detail in my reviews.
ha ha ignore that Master – ur review was fine and u liked it – it is nice. SRK atleast is trying to go out of his romantic image although it is too late – but still with Hello Zindagi and now this – he knows that he will not be back in the same league as aamir/sallu and yet he has to go down (inevitable) gracefully so Raees is good that way from BO perspective – and it looks like a good masala entertainer and not even SRK is calling it a masterpiece – so I think ur reivew was fair enough
Ravi exactly the same point as urs,this master seems to be a diehard SRK fan showering praises on a hardcore masala film hailing it as some sort of a classic,also he was missing the time when dangal decimated all the records.he was trying to find even minor faults in dangal but raees for him is a classic.
Raees Does Very Well On Day Two
Friday 27 January 2017 11.30 IST
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Raees did very well on its second day as it grossed 26 crore nett plus making it the highest collections ever on Republic Day beating the figures of Jai Ho in 2014. More importantly the numbers have come with a clash and it is the highest ever collection that any film has collected on any single day when it has clashed with another major release. The growth from the previous day is 30% which is good as the opening was strong. The two day total for the film is 46.50 crore nett and business is strong all over barring Delhi city and East Punjab. The film is very strong in Mumbai, South and West Bengal. The first two day business of Raees is as follows.
Friday – 20,25,00,000
Saturday – 26,25,00,000
TOTAL – 46,50,00,000 apprx
The business on Friday is most important as this will be the normal level of the film. There will be a drop in business but it all depends how much the fall is and can the film put itself into places to record 20 crore nett plus totals on Saturday and Sunday. This will take the film to a 100 crore nett plus extended weekend which would mean a very good weekend.
Dangal Records Second Highest Fifth Week Of All Time
Friday 27 January 2017 12.00 IST
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Dangal (Hindi) had another great week as it recorded the second highest fifth week of all time with collections of 8.50 crore nett. The highest fifth week of all time is another Aamir Khan starrer 3 Idiots at 9.83 crore nett. The collections are much higher than the fifth week collections of the likes of PK (4.17 crore nett)) and Bajrangi Bhaijaan (3.55 crore nett). The film has grossed 371 crore nett in five weeks and may add another 1 or 2 crore nett for a lifetime total of 372-373 crore nett. The distributor share of the film will be around 184 crore. The business of Dangal (Hindi) till date is as follows.
First Week – 1,92,38,00,000
Second Week – 1,11,56,00,000
Third Week – 44,02,00,000
Fourth Week – 14,61,00,000
Fifth Week – 8,50,00,000 apprx
Unlike Fan which started cracking on the first day itself, only to see further decline on the second day, Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees has actually gone further up on Thursday. After bringing in 20.42 crore on Wednesday, the film saw as good as 26.30 crore added to its total, which now stands at 46.72 crore. Of course the big Republic Day holiday has helped its cause tremendously. Still, on the flip side the film already had such high numbers on Wednesday that even if the numbers were to remain stable on the second day, it would still have been a positive sign for it.
Today, the film will see a dip in numbers and that is expected since this is a working day. Still, even a 15 crore number would be good though indications so far are that the hold would be even better, especially since people would come to theaters in big number for evening and night shows the weekend beginning.
Shah Rukh Khan has a lot to cheer about with these collections since he has managed to score so huge despite the presence of Kaabil in over 2000 screens. As a matter of fact on Thursday the Hrithik Roshan starrer scored quite huge and was clearly attracting a huge count of footfalls. Still, this Rahul Dholakia film has not just maintained very good numbers but also got added momentum going for it.
The film is on its way to be a clean Hit and it has to be seen how much further does it go from here.
Note: All collections as per production and distribution sources
Today is the most crucial Day 3, Almost like Monday litmus test.
Kaabil has opened to 25% (same as day 1) while Raees has opened to 30% (half of day 1).
This means Kaabil has picked up due to positive WoM.
This also means that Raees also enjoys positive WoM.
Friday – Kaabil is likely to get 7 Cr and Raees 13 Cr
Saturday and Sunday will be bountiful for both the movies. Kaabil will emerge a success now while Raees will be a sure fire HIT.
Yes. These will be poor numbers.For both. Kaabil seems to have started catching up but will take few more days. The difference today morning show seems to be around 10%.
2.0 teaser to be out on Tamil New Year, Rajinikanth-Akshay Kumar film near completion
The shooting for Rajinikanth-Akshay Kumar film, 2.0, is on its final leg.
The latest buzz in the industry is that the teaser of 2.0, starring superstar Rajinikanth and Bollywood Khiladi Akshay Kumar, will be released on April 14, which marks the beginning of Tamil New Year. Director Shankar and editor Antony have already started the work on preparing the teaser of one of the most highly anticipated films in the country that is at par with Baahubali: The Conclusion.
The shooting for one of the most expensive sci-fi movies in Asia is on its final leg. The film crew will resume their last schedule in Chennai on January 30 and have plans to wrap up the shoot by March after which the post-production work will begin. Since the film is said to be heavy on special effects, the post-production process is expected to go on for seven months. Usually, films are shot using 2D cameras and converted into 3D in the studios. But, the filmmakers have used 3D cameras for 2.0, which is a first in India. The makers have also planned to facilitate theatres across the country to upgrade themselves to 3D technology.
The film is being made at a whopping budget of more than Rs 350 crore and is simultaneously produced in Tamil, Telugu and Hindi. The film is a sequel to the 2010 blockbuster Enthiran, which is said to be Shankar’s most ambitious project so far.
The film has been making waves ever since it was announced. Enthiran 2.0 also marks the acting debut of Akshay in the south. He is playing an evil and an eccentric scientist in the film. It also stars Amy Jackson, Sudhanshu Pandey and Adil Hussain in important roles. The film, which is bankrolled by Lyca Productions, is slated for a Diwali release this year
Producer-director Rakesh Roshan is very angry. In an exclusive tete-a-tete he has threatened to quit the film industry. Says the hurt and angry filmmaker, “After 50 years in the film industry I find myself deeply isolated and unable to play the games that are being played. My son Hrithik and I are very simple people. We love the cinema. And we are part of it not to make big profits but because we enjoy being a part of the entertainment industry. Unfortunately the kind of politics that goes on here is beyond our understanding or tolerance.”
There is a valid reason for Rakesh Roshan’s ire. Exhibitors across India have failed to give his new film Kaabil the number of theatres they promised. “We were assured the distribution of theatres and screens between the two films this week (Kaabil and Raees) would be equal. The ratio of screens promised was 50: 50. To our shock on the morning of release we discovered that we had been given only 40 percent of the screens.”
The betrayal has broken Rakesh Roshan’s spirits. “I belong to the old school of filmmaking where even official contracts were waved away. Word given to one another was enough. Here, the exhibitors and distributors are going back on their words so brazenly, under what pressures…I don’t know. I am very hurt. If this kind of unethical practices continue I will have to quit filmmaking. I am not equipped to handle back-stabbing on this level.”
He is not willing to play the blame game. “I am not pointing fingers at any other film. But for the sake of the survival of the film business we need to get more professional. I don’t know what kind of pressures made the exhibitors betray Kaabil. But in future if exhibitors continue to succumb to such pressures many of us would have to shut shop. On the other hand if exhibitors and distributors agree to give an equal number of screens to two or more films released on the same day there will be no confusion during release.”
Much hope was raised by the corporatization of the Indian film industry. But Rakesh Roshan says all these hopes were dashed to the ground. “We thought the corporate production houses would take our film industry ahead by ten years. But we’ve actually regressed by twenty years. If we continue to function in this dog-eat-dog way I’ll have to quit. I’ve made films about the underdog hero. Because when I came into the industry I had no one to support me. I struggled my way to filmmaking. Today I feel I am fighting forces that I cannot fight. I don’t understand them.”
Rakesh Roshan, who i admire and respect as filmmaker a lot, is being quite childish and naive here. I am sure his Krish 4 would have fetched more screen if that were to clash with Raees.
Instead of threatening to quite, he should launch his next immediately with Hrithik as hero and himself as director. That would be the movie which would require a guts to clash.
He should take someone as hero and allow his son to select good movies instead of good money. This love for son is limiting his ability to experiment and innovate. Or he should do a project with a heroine as lead as he did in Khoon Bhari Maang.
I agree..as much as he made his son a star with a dream debut and made him the first the first superhero and all..he is also responsible for the state Hrithik is in today..somewhat of a child man, a persona he seems to be carrying from the koi mil gaya series. yesterday, the interview he gave with his father about not getting 50% share of screens was so weird. It was like him literally crying and saying…my papa is the best, I love my papa more now etc etc. I have a feeling the wife also let him as a result of this overpowering papa presence!
Cmon hrithik..get out of there at once…be independent..choose some random, casual films..find which way you want to go..soon! Since he is already 42!
I don’t think Rakesh Roshan is trying give a masterpiece or even a decent film 🙂 it is all neat business – Hero / Music Director – sab Ghar ka apart from production – sell the movie in cool 100 cr to distributors + 50-100 cr from various rights – production and mktg around 30-40 cr – pocket 100-150 cr profit and sleep peacefully and make rants against SRK and everything under the sky 🙂
Aamir Khan starrer Dangal continued to add more moolah to its kitty in the fifth week. The film made a decent collection of 9.10 crores in the week. It now stands with a collection of 384.10 crores at the domestic box office.
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After Dangal, Aamir’s records:
Top 3 in China – Aamir
Top 3 in Aus – Aamir
Top in UK – Aamir
Top 2 in India- Aamir.
Top 2 North America- Aamir.
Top 2 WW- Aamir.
Top 2 in Aus- Aamir.
Top 3 Overseas- Aamir
Yes Aamir Khan productions have their own calculator. Except this one is including regional collections for dubbed releases, whereas BOI is functional only on Hindi.
I must confess that i’m very impressed with Raj’s objectivity as despite being a huge Shahrukh fan, he doesn’t fawn over Shahrukh in case he finds his movies or performances below par, he calls a spade a spade which is a rarity esp. as regards to normal Shahrukh fans who just can’t accept their idol’s frailty or foible at all. We don’t need to go too far to experience this as we have some here as well 😉
Dimitrov – seen very little till now, looks like a Federer incarnation. If Nadal wins, he’ll be favourite in final as he beat Dimitrov. But it’s a real 50-50 match right now.
Nadal 2-1. Never been a big fan but for sheer tenacity and determination, he is unmatched. Only really Agassi at his sheer best or Hewitt chase and defend like this.
Don’t think it matters. Nadal will beat Federer even if he plays for a few more hours in the SF. Federer has mind issues with Nadal…This baby Fed plays same as Fed but no mind issues. I hope Nadal loses in SF so that Fed can win…
Epic final. I hope Federer can do it. It’s not clay so he has a chance.
It is the dream nostalgic tournament. No one can bet on or against any 4 finalists. They are all significant in their own right.
The longer the men’s final goes, the more one favours Nadal. Federer will for sure need to be 1-0 or 2-1 up at least. As mentally he could struggle, but 6 months out he’ll roll the dice and have a chance.
Federer should have the advantage on this court except that for a number of years now Nadal has not lost to Federer in any sort of Grand Slam event. Of course it’s been a few years now since they’ve faced each other but Nadal was beating him everywhere they met. In fact if I’m not mistaken Nadal has never lost a Grand Slam match to Federer since that epic 2008 Wimbledon final.
And Nadal is a known juicer in the circuit. There is a reason he doesn’t get tired grinding after grinding . Remember one AO he beat David Ferrer(Another doper) in the semi in 5 sets but next day fresh as a daisy and beat Fed in 5. Doping era in tennis.
One thing in Federers favor is Nadal is not the same bull as what he was few years back. He has dropped a notch below for sure. The draw was kind to him as Joker lost early. That might be Federers best bet vs Nadal…While Federer also is coming back from injury his body has never taken the toll Nadals has and hence the layoff is more detrimental to Nadal than Federer. But of course its all in the mind for Federer ..
Federer is past prime. That’s the astonishing thing, he is 5 years older than the other big 3. Yet he is still competitive. 6 months off injured and into a GS final is quite stunning. He might lose but I still rank him above all his peers. He’s Tendulkar like very natural and calm or Messi. 5 years is a lot for tennis players, but he and the Williams sisters have broken norms. Sampras did too winning a slam at 32. Nadals like Ronaldo. Physical and works hard. A beast in a different way, but lacks the finesse of Federer. Federer is the people’s champion.
I don’t like Nadal and specially now when he have became even a bigger pusher. But still he is a bull and have more stamina than anyone else may be except Djoker. He will push push push and grind grind grind and Federer will get furious and spray unforced errors all over the court. I will be shocked if Federer wins against this pusher. Again death of natural, attacking and aggressive tennis against grinding. Pity.
Had Dangal released on 16 instead of 23 & sunday would not fallen on Christmas & new year, It would have collected 425+!!!!!!!!!!!! But alas missed opportunity by Aamir & company 😉
I don’t need to prove anything as your comments are reflection of your mindset regarding Aamir fans!! But neurotic disorder isn’t one of the issues for sure!!
Sanjay Leela Bhansali Slapped, His Hair Pulled By Protesters On Padmavati Sets In Rajasthan
JAIPUR: Filmmaker Sanjay Leela Bhansali was attacked and the sets of his film “Padmavati” at a fort in Jaipur were vandalized by protesters who alleged that the film shows a much-celebrated Rajput queen in poor light.
Mr Bhansali is slapped, beaten and his hair is pulled by members of the Rajput Karni Sena, who stormed the shoot at Jaigarh Fort.
They shouted protests and alleged that the film has love scenes between Queen Padmini and ruler Alauddin Khilji, played by actors Deepika Padukone and Ranveer Singh.
The Karni Sena says Padmini was a proud queen known for taking her own life rather than submit to Alauddin Khilji, the emperor who attacked the Chittorgarh Fort.
Padmini committed “Jauhar” or immolated herself with scores of other women as Alauddin Khilji waited to conquer the fort and claim her.
The Rajput Karni Sena has demanded that Mr Bhansali delete such scenes in the film if any.
Bhansali has said Deeoika and Ranveer don’t even have single scene together as both Khilji and Padmavati never meet. That’s the whole point and uniqueness of this movie. Why would he add dream sequence?
These protesters will beat anyways knowing there is no scene and then say..see coz we kicked him he removed scenes to boost their ego and power infront of others.
Sanjay Leela Bhansali slapped, assaulted by protesters on Padmavati sets in Jaipur,
In a video that’s gone viral a defenceless Sanjay Leela Bhansali was seen getting slapped and assaulted by an angry mob on the sets of Padmavati
WRITTEN BY SONUP SAHADEVAN | MUMBAI |
Updated: January 27, 2017 8:05 Pm
Sanjay Leela Bhansali was slapped and assaulted on Friday by members of Karni Sena who staged an angry protest at Jaigarh fort in Jaipur where Bhansali was shooting for Padmavati. In a video that has gone viral, protestors are seen running amok, damaging cameras and other shooting equipment while raising slogans and spewing abuses in Hindi.
Protesters entered in large numbers and started getting violent before the crew of Padmavati could even blink. The mob soon surrounded Bhansali who was seated in front of a monitor. Even as his team tried to shield him and take him to safety, the mob unleashed its fury on the defenceless director and slapped and assaulted him as can been seen in the video.
The protesters then turned their ire towards the costly film equipment and smashed to the ground almost everything that they could lay their hands on. The film stars Deepika Padukone, Ranveer Singh and Shahid Kapoor.
This is the same body which earlier protested against Ashutosh Gowariker’s Jodhaa Akbar. It has raised objections against Padmavati saying that the film incorrectly portrays Rani Padmini.
Thankfully, police was called in who soon escorted Bhansali to safety and arrested the troublemakers. The shooting of the film has been temporarily halted.
…and then people wonder why “we” can’t make better films. The level of intolerance is so high that we prefer, first, fairy stories and mythologicals; and second, only OUR AUTHORIZED fairy stories and mythologicals, with barely any patience for anything else. [I say this as someone who was quite irritated at SLB’s Bajirao Mastani, both because of some blatantly communal representations (the worst example was the sequence in Nasir Jung’s tent) and, more subtly, because of de-politicization of women in Baajirao’s household); but certainly the man has to have the right to make the film he wants to make!]
Kaabil witnesses massive jump on day two and scores 18.67 crore… Two days total 29.1 cr.
we getting same senario as dilwale vs bajirao except raees is slightly better then dilwale but far better then Fan,this clash could have avoided and done excellent business but both srk and rakesh roshan both being stubborn…thats what I called uncivilised,both films do good business and neither of them will tank…
from animals to humans everyone dies of ‘natural causes’ around him. It’s like those guys who run into trouble with the Mafia and then have these casual accidents that kill them! My favorites are the ones where the guys are just walking somewhere and they trip suddenly and die. Some unluckily fall into canals.
ha ha ha – both the movies had Big B as a part in one or other way – and the comment says it all 🙂 picutres me to koi dum nahin hei – chalo bachchan to he 🙂
Shah Rukh Khan’s new release stars him “in and as Raees” – his latest attempt at the sort of masala star vehicle that even the other two Khans have moved on from lately. While we’re told that Raees the gangster is daring and smart, his decisions are as bad as the ones taken by the actor bringing him to life.
In the past five years, SRK’s filmography has read Jab Tak Hai Jaan, Chennai Express, Happy New Year, Dilwale, and Fan. While only a couple of these can be considered Khan-level financial hits, almost all have been panned by critics. Meanwhile, in the same period, Aamir and Salman have delivered the six highest-grossing Bollywood films of all time between them. Salman has actually managed to do it with a few decent reviews too.
Raees was actually meant to release alongside Sultan last year, but was postponed to avoid a clash. It’s a good thing too, because it might have made a painful truth much more obvious – Salman Khan is actually doing smarter and better films than Shah Rukh now (Tauba tauba. *Bathes in holy water to cleanse myself for putting this thought out into the universe).
Kaabil seems to have caught up quite a bit today…Most metros the movie is just slightly behind Raees. All small centres, single screens, Muslim centres, it is nowhere close…Kaabil should be around 9 crs, Raees around 13 crs…But the WOM of raees is not as bad as Dilwale (infact in massy areas it is very good) and the WOM of kaabil is not as good as BM..So the gap will be there over the weekend and into the next week…Credit where its due, Papa Roshan still has a decent pulse of the audience. But he still will be needing his calculator for the next few days…
HrithikRoshan’s #Kaabil gaining momentum at the boxoffice . It doing very good today in multiplexes .
I dont think papa roshan needs to worry,wom is solid and you can see collection as how it has improved,other released same time is struggling to mach 1st & 2nd collection..
Friday 27 January 2016 23.30 IST
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It was the crucial third day for both the Republic Day week releases and Raees has managed to stay afloat but just while Kaabil is now struggling in a poor position. It was a working day after a holiday so the drop was always going to come but the hope would have been a lesser drop especially Kaabil. Raaes is looking at business of around 13-13.50 crore nett which is around 50% drop while Kaabil is looking at around 7-7.5 crore nett which is a little more than 50%. The only precedence for this is Agneepath in 2012 which released on Thusday which was the holiday and saw a 50% drop on the next day which was a Friday like it is for Kaabil and Raees but it went up again over the weekend to do well.
Raees should have had a bit higher number which then would have enabled it to add around 40 crore nett over the weekend but that now looks a big ask. Still it has grossed around 60 crore nett over the first three days and with the weekend to come it is in a good position and it will be Monday which will decide if the film becomes a HIT or not. The film had a noticeable drop at mass centres which were very good yesterday due to the national holiday. The holds at multiplexes were better.
Kaabil looks in trouble at the box office as collections are now even lower than day one which itself was weak. The huge jump on Republic Day was a huge surprise as the reports were not suggesting that sort of jump. It did look like what happened with Shivaay which flattered on holidays but came down on other days but you can never be sure but with this Friday collection it has come down to its real level and its an uphill battle from here on. The three day collections of the film are around 31 crore nett which is 50% of Raees and it needs a mini miracle to survive and there are no holidays going forward.
Its very hard to predict Kaabils number for everyone as there are 2 sets of numbers floating. One is Papa Roshans and one is the number based on occupancies..I wont be surprised if Papa gives a number higher than Wednesday just to prove his point…
Papa Roshan will have it over 10 CR. Also, I don’t believe it’s hard to predict the numbers at all. You will see two sets of numbers…the lower one is the right one.
I think this is poor numbers for both. Raees looks like heading for what around 140-150crrs at best? While Kaabil looks to do around 100crrs.
Aur clash karo for holidays.
This is shameful and Bollywood should get balls and not let this pass. Bhansali is not a newbie like Kashyap and these other two minute fame folks but keeps to himself and is a veteran of industry and a maverick filmmaker.
Feel sad to see him in this video being helpless and protecting himself and I believe his clothes were torn too.
This sort of thing keeps reminding me Munna with his expert comment on how Indians behave when alone and when in a group and mob.
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@iHrithik take a legal action against http://Boxofficeindia.com trade network.
Else WORST FANS SRKIANS wouldn’t let u stay with peace.
we always knew BOI are srk biased site…srk collections are always on turbo boost…such a pathetic site…talking of papa roshan,what about this site …” just takes the biscuit “
Really, can you provide couple movie examples where let’s say something like for CE, everybody has around 225 crore and BOI has it at 275 crore, or something like that.
BOI is more or less honest with collns,even if they give wrong collns initially,they correct it afterwards.but the same can’t be said for their verdicts though my problem also exists with their adjusted nett collns.
Agree, I mean they’re probably honest as any other site. my question was around how some keeps on stating that BOI is SRK PR machine, I think it’s the opposite. I don’t think anyone can show any example of where BOI has SRK movie collection higher than any other site.
As far as kaabil collections are concerned, it’s just not adding up or making any sense. The occupancy % is lower than Raees and with less screen count then Raees yet Friday collection is only about 3.5 crs behind?
It’s like saying Ronaldo is best ever, by comparing his tally of goals this year to his tally 10 years ago at Manchester united. The way to look at this is not SRK in isolation. You have to compare his BOI collections with other sites but also other star’s films with other sites.
Anyway barring acooldude it’s obvious which set of fans have nothing against BOI, case closed.
Hrithik Roshan, Yami Gautam’s Kaabil is managing a steady pace at the box office despite stiff competition from Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees. The Sanjay Gupta-directed vengeance drama opened its innings on Wednesday with Rs 10.43 crore but saw a massive rise in occupancy on Thursday, which was a holiday on account of Republic Day. With the film earning Rs 18.67 crore on day two, the film has Rs 29.10 crore in its kitty till now.
While Friday’s business of Kaabil is not expected to be as high as Thursday on account of it being a working day, theatres reported good occupancy in the morning shows. The film will again increase its earnings during the upcoming weekend.
Like SRK claimed in an interview, he does look bloody good in a Pathani suit, but that’s about it, as the kohl laden eyes, the glasses and the extra swagger in his step don’t quite take away from the fact that we are seeing Shahrukh Khan on screen and not Raees. The charisma, the dimpled smiles, the intensity, yes they may salvage parts of the film, but it also makes you wish that he’d played an out and out grey character, rather than a character with grey shades that ends up with a pathetic attempt at whitewashing towards the end.
The rest of the cast do their job extremely well, Nawazuddin Siddiqui putting in yet another brilliant turn as the honest to a fault policeman, who refuses to turn cynical in spite of bearing witness to the rot in the system. Mahira Khan makes a fine debut, and absolutely lights up the screen in spite of an underwritten role. It is however extremely frustrating to see genuine talents like Narendra Jha (who is also in the other big release of the week), Mohammed Zeeshan Ayyub, Sheeba Chaddha and Loveleen Mishra wasted in such inconsequential roles with almost nothing to do except stay true to stereotypes.
For the average Shahrukh Khan fan, Raees achieves what it set out to be, a homage to the secular appeal of its star, but for a more discerning viewer, it ends up being so average, it’s almost boring.
There is absolutely no doubt that BOI is pro-SRK. Ra1 is a hit for them. So is MNIK in India. Devdas had an original nett collection of 38cr according to BOI in 2002, now declared as 41cr without inflation by them!! I don’t know how in the world Devdas added 13cr of collections (i.e. over 30% of its original collections) after its run in theatres had ended. And the other night they were comparing Dangal’s night shows collection in the US to Raees’ full opening collections there, just to provide the impression that SRK is killing it in the US market.
Maybe Papa Roshan is inflating the figures of Kaabil but there also is the fact that no one else in the trade is reported as low figures for Kaabil as BOI is reporting for it. Could it be BOI’s bias for SRK or could it be that BOI are the only ones to speak the truth. Indian BO reporting is such a mess that no one seems to know the true answer, really.
BOI also reported the lowest collections for Krrish 3…don’t recall any clashes with SRK movie at that time. As for Devdas, BOI was not even around in 2002 so how do you know what was reported? As for these stupid HIT, SUPER HIT and ALL TIME BLOCKBUSTER tags…I mean really, who gives a sh#t?
Man…I do want BOI to start paying me something because it seems like I am the only one who defends them here 🙂
BOI was around in 2002-2003. It reported a 28.4 nett gross for Devdas at that time. They were quoted as saying it was a ‘media hit’ rather than a ‘trade hit’.
They were already very critical of hits like DCH at that time. They were also very critical of RGV. They seemed to be in hero-worshiping mode of Sunny Deol. What is most bizarre is that they had projected Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Saathiyon to be the future biggest blocbuster back then, despite Bachan being in there!
BUT…BUT I think there is something wrong with the Devdas number. I don’t see how it could have made 41 CR after opening week of 11 CR. I have always judged BOI on movies released in the last 8 or 9 years (not sure what year they started). Some of their numbers for earlier films don’t seem right.
During 2010,when they revised their look,tthey had Gadar adjusted total gross at 286 cr(not nett),while 3Idiots had 269 cr(unadjusted as 3Idiots just ended it’s run).very little difference i remember it thoroughly.i don’t know what happened after that.they keep on revising collns of 90’s megablockbusters and gadar that they just become unreachable for current movies.They are having 3I adjusted nett as 294 cr.this is absolutely ridiculous,no sane person can ever agree.3I adjusted nett wld be min. 400cr.
Add KANK to the list as despite made at around budget of 50 Crores, it is a clean hit?? Their verdicts are brazen & an assault on common sense!! Yet sensible person like thecooldude keeps defending the indefencible for reasons best known to him only!!
It was the crucial third day for both the Republic Day week releases and Raees has managed to stay afloat but just while Kaabil is now struggling in a poor position. It was a working day after a holiday so the drop was always going to come but the hope would have been a lesser drop especially Kaabil. Raaes is looking at business of around 13-13.50 crore nett which is around 50% drop while Kaabil is looking at around 7-7.5 crore nett which is a little more than 50%. The only precedence for this is Agneepath in 2012 which released on Thusday which was the holiday and saw a 50% drop on the next day which was a Friday like it is for Kaabil and Raees but it went up again over the weekend to do well.
Raees should have had a bit higher number which then would have enabled it to add around 40 crore nett over the weekend but that now looks a big ask. Still it has grossed around 60 crore nett over the first three days and with the weekend to come it is in a good position and it will be Monday which will decide if the film becomes a HIT or not. The film had a noticeable drop at mass centres which were very good yesterday due to the national holiday. The holds at multiplexes were better.
Kaabil looks in trouble at the box office as collections are now even lower than day one which itself was weak. The huge jump on Republic Day was a huge surprise as the reports were not suggesting that sort of jump. It did look like what happened with Shivaay which flattered on holidays but came down on other days but you can never be sure but with this Friday collection it has come down to its real level and its an uphill battle from here on. The three day collections of the film are around 31 crore nett which is 50% of Raees and it needs a mini miracle to survive and there are no holidays going forward.
Friday 27 January 2016 23.30 IST
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I think Raees will definitely do 150 crore plus. Agneepath felt by 50% but emerged a solid hit. A drop of 50 % is manageable if you have such huge starts. I expect Monday to be in the range of 8-9 crore and film can sustain at that level upto second weekend. So it should get to 150-160 , which is a pretty good number considering clash . Film would have done 200+ in case of solo release.
Kaabil is a goner now. Wont do 100 crore. There was only one way for it to surpass Raees, it need to had outstanding word of mouth. An average to good word of mouth doesn’t help much when you are clashing with a big commercial film. It is a content driven film so opening was never on cards even in case of solo release.
Raees will end up around 160 crs…Kaabil will struggle to reach 100crs..They needed 150 and 110 for hit status….But i don’t think they had made the movies to get hit status..They were looking for larger numbers….
As I said before release.. if Raees had solo, it had chance for 225 cr but in clash, it will be around 160. I don’t think it had potential to do more irrespective of people’s complaints. The subject matter and treatment doesn’t give an easy movie watching experience to watch multiple times.
Raees screwed Raees by choosing clash, in process Raees screwed Kaabil. I agree that Raees had more potential but it’s chosen it’s bed it must lie in it. Psychologically this is a much bigger blow to Roshan’s as they desperately needed a result here, but media narrative will be much more about how SRK>HR. All this for that one day of box office Bonanza. It could be said Kaabil was timid anyway and is only getting to where it is now due to a clash and what extra attention that gives. Kaabil would never have opened big but solo probably would do 10-20% better but Raees much bigger %’s.
Raees opening was up there with most big film opening’s, republic day solo could have been riot. Maybe they believed Roshan’s would back down upon clash, especially considering how fragile Hrithik’s career is right now but Bollywood is full of huge ego’s, so I doubt it would happen.
Commercially both will be success but not sure what they achieved with the clash. How good 140-150crr will do for SRK?
And how good 90-100crrs will do for HR? Except that may be few headlines that SRK won the clash. But later on only final total matters. Same happened with ADHM and Shivaay.
Fools. May be these results will open their eyes that it’s better to release solo during non holiday rather than clashing on holidays.
” fools ” they are like two peas in a ” pod “..
I agree with rajroshan,kaabil was only capable of 100cr max,with solo release it would have done another 10cr,Raees is a biggest loser here..srk has this agenda of clashing and beating the opponent..as jayshah said above its raees knocked raees out..
mind you Raees is beating kaabil handsomely in overseas..srk brand is showing again..might beat dangal in overseas aswell..
vijay,dangal did close to 30m$ in overseas,how wld raees get close to that i don’t know bcoz dangal did 12.5m$ in NA alone and SRK highest grosser in NA is CE with just 5.5m$.even in gulf where dangal underperformed did 8.4-8.5m$(don’t what is final fig,started slow in gulf but trended very well),even UK is close to 2.5m pounds,was also record breaking in Aus.Dangal overperformed in overseas considering it’s genre only due to 1 name and the name we all know.
aamirsaurab,
Raees will do more in overseas then domestic,kaabil is really very poor, maybe Raees will reach Dangal target in coming weeks…srk brand is enough to create havoc , I am not sure in usa or other overseas screening but in uk..
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To add one more thing vijay,china release of dangal is also expected in mid 17 which can add 8m-10m$ minimum to the total.remember aamir is like 1-10 in china and for that matter even in japan.many sallu fans jump that BB and sultan didn’t released in china which led to a much lesser overseas collns for both compared to PK but they wldn’t even had done 1m$ over there.HNY didn’t even do 0.5m$ over there.reason is there is no indian diaspora in china.immense popularity of aamir is mainly due to 3I which connected with chinese audience in a huge huge way. not many are aware 3I was nominated in japanese academy awards in foreign language category.there were various articles on aamir’s popularity in china,one hailing him as the next big foreign star(excluding hollywood ofcoure).i m attaching that Article.WHOLE BOLLYWOOD COMMANDS LESSER POPULARITY THAN AAMIR IN CHINA. http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/05/27/could-bollywoods-aamir-khan-be-chinas-next-big-movie-star/#6840b3f23cf3
on a lighter note satyam bhai,i hope u r happy with these long comments of mine.
Vijay UK market is dead and very small compared to US,there is no significant increase from many years,it might outgross in UK,but still US difference wld be much bigger for both films,(in favour of dangal) also aus.honestly i don’t see how raees wld do more than 25m$ in overseas.u can see the UK highest grosser is 2.75mpounds(3.45M$),while dangal did 2.5mpounds(3.1M$) in UK.let’s say raees do a record breaking biz of 3mpounds in UK(3.75M$),even then difference in UK collns wld be hardly 3.75-3.1=0.65m$,while if with raees SRK also stretches himself to the fullest and do let’s say even 7m$(though looks very togh),diff in NA collns wld be 5.5m$.so combined diff wld be min.5.5-0.65=4.85m$ in favour of dangal.plus australia for dangal was out of world and that wld add 1m$ more in favour of dangal.i hope u wld have got it now.
aamirshaurab,
I am talking about the clash of Raees vs Kaabil in overseas..kaabil is much done & dusted by monday,other hand Raees will continue in coming weeks,maybe dangal is out of reach but surely BB sultan it will beat those,Dangal was one of those film that it will have have repeats flogging in where as Raees is mostly one time see,so is kaabil..we will see in coming weeks but I still say Raees is very comfortable in overseas but domestic is not much difference any difference.
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#Raees – OVERSEAS – Wed to Fri: $ 5.6 million [₹ 38.14 cr]. Extended weekend [Wed to Sun] expected to be approx $ 9 million range. MASSIVE
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#Kaabil Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr. Total: ₹ 38.87 cr. India biz… Biz should witness growth on Sat and Sun.
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#Raees Wed 20.42 cr, Thu 26.30 cr, Fri 13.11 cr. Total: ₹ 59.83 cr. India biz… All set for a big Sat and Sun
vijay if my memory serves me right dangal 4 day weekend was abt 9m$,while for raees 5 day ext.weekend wld be 9m$.so,u can see the diff there only plus dangal had almost 5 open weeks as OK jaanu hardly matters for overseas,while for raees it wld be only just more than 2 open weeks.dangal did abt 16m$ in week1 in overseas and from there it stretched to almost 30m$ tells us something abt dangal trending.sultan had similar week1 but finished at 24m$.
What SRK’s Raees needs is 10 days of Double digit buisness. Though it is tough.This way it will reach nearer 150 before second weekend. Then weeknd buisness will do rest. Working day (Monday to friday can do Double digit buisness because Single screen and Mass centres are driving this film).
yes 13 cr fri is clear indication that mon wld be hardly 8-9cr and then god knows plus delhi/up is not performing which is most important from trending pt of view.
Play it again RAFA….(Courtesy- Casablanca..Play it again Sam)..
Was planning to watch Raees on Saunday evening. But preponed it. Now will watch Raees today. On Sunday evening will cheer for RAFA. I hope it will be a 5 set epic. Grand Slam no 15. He has 2 wimbldon, 2 US Open and Hopefully 2 Aus Open. Already he is king of clay.
LOL. The collections of Kaabil has became a joke. Even regular Taran Adarsh is not tweeting Kaabil’s fake collections and appears to be mad about it. He’s just tweeting Raees collections. So much blatant lies all over.
See the clear sarcasm in their reporting as well. (whole parivar) :).
people need to get a reality check. Taran has very much tweeted about kaabil and expects it to grow big over weekend
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#Kaabil Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr. Total: ₹ 38.87 cr. India biz… Biz should witness growth on Sat and Sun.
Kaabil has been closing in on its gap with Raees which released on 60% screens ever since the release. The first day started with a near 10 cr gap and its the third day today and kaabil has already grabbed raees’s throat and has send shivers down the spine of the Raees team. The saturday and sunday numbers are expected to be quite similar for both with kaabil having a clear chance to outdo Raees on either saturday or sunday. Here is the trend
DAY 1 2 3
KAABIL 10.43 18.67 9.77
RAEES 20.42 26.30 13.11
GAP 9.99 7.63 3.34
It must be noted that kaabil budget is almost 50% of Raees but looking at the positive trend of kaabil over raees, there is a good chance that it will overtake raees in a matter of days.
Prediction:
#Kaabil weekend expected to cross 60 cr. Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr, Sat 11 cr, Sun 15 cr. First week in 85cr+
#Raees Wed 20.42 cr, Thu 26.30 cr, Fri 13.11 cr, Sat 14 cr, Sun, 17 cr, First week in 90cr+
“outdo” Raees on a day to day basis. The gap has closed in dramatically in just 3 days. Raees is having a free fall and kaabil is holding well. The morning shows today started higher than wed and fri according to addatoday.com
The news report from Pakistan that two of their TV/film actors Adnan Siddiqui and Sajal Ali would be coming to India shortly to shoot for the new Sridevi starrer Mom was met by disbelief shock and dismay by the film industry.
Just months ago in keeping with the deteriorating relations between India and Pakistan, a blanket ban had been imposed on all Pakistani arises entry into India eventuating in protests against the presence of Fawad Khan in Karan Johar’s Ae Dil Hai Mushkil and Mahira Khan in Raees. The objections were waived aside under the assurance that no more Pakistani artistes will be entertained by the entertainment industry in India until relations between the two countries improve.
Now the jubilant reports from Pakistan of two artistes joining the cast and crew of producer Boney Kapoor’s Mom has caused some serious embarrassment in political circles.
Commenting on the development the BJP’s spokesperson Shaina NC said, “First of all, this report has not been confirmed by Mr Boney Kapoor. We do hope it’s not true. Secondly the entry in India of Pakistani artistes is at the moment nearly impossible as no visas are being granted to Pakistanis except for emergencies. In case it is true we would like to gently point out the insensitivity of considering Pakistani artistes for Bollywood at a time when relations between the two countries have hit rock bottom.”
Shaina asks the entire entertainment industry to desist from delving into derived. “Why so we need to get talent from Pakistan when we have so much talent in India? There are so many hopeful aspirants hovering in Bollywood waiting for a chance. Why deprive them of their jobs? I think a producer of Boney Kapoor’s experience and maturity should realize this is not the right time to cast Pakistani artistes.”
Reacting to the reports of the Pakistani artistes being brought in for shooting in India, Boney Kapoor said, “Whatever we shot with the Pakistani artists was before the unofficial ban. There is no question of bringing them into India now. We are shooting the remaining portion of the film in Thailand.”
Kaabil is really good. Except for the initial bits (only for a few minutes) and the untimely Sara Zamana remix song the rest of the movie is extremely enjoyable. Very well made revenge story. Should trend really good.
Raees is doing very well today…could cross 17 crs…sunday advance is already very good and almost certainly will cross 20..Is there any point in me talking about Kaabil…numbers are anyways going to inflated…
As I said the families affecting lot. All my friends has kids and they can’t go to this movie as they don’t have anyone to baby sit and then whole family’s idea to go to movies changes. Only few guys go to movies without their families/kids here. If it was a family friendly film, more people would at least go out to check it out.
Raees has done just 1m$ in first 3 days in NA.this is worse than i expected,it wld hardly do abt 2.25m$ in NA in extended weekend and then abt 4m$ after week1. 7m$ is max. i m seeing in NA.dangal has done abt 12.5m$ there just now.
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#Kaabil Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr. Total: ₹ 38.87 cr. India biz… Biz should witness growth on Sat and Sun.
I do not think that taran is lying
todays is 12cr approx
There is also a lot of fuss about manipulation in Kaabil collection. As a result, the trade has been divided into two groups. Our stance on the issue is quite clear that if there will be more than 20% in trade and official figures over the weekend, we will opt for the former. It has been done for films like Mastizaade, Sanam Re etc. However, this does not apply to those films that we have not tracked. Though we are working to make the earlier data more accurate by collaborating with Box Office India. The more about this issue will be explained on Monday.
Folks, Papa Roshans collections are easily higher than trade figures by 2.5 crs daily…So the stiff competition is actually dependent on what collections you are following. At least 2 more sites are refusing to take Papa Roshans calculators. They are quoting it but not sugar coating it like how KRK is doing..
The trade is pretty much laughing at Papa Roshan now…Boxofficecapsule is another site who is quoting Papa’s collection but refusing to sugar coat it like how some links above are saying “Kaabil will take Raees by the collar” and what not..
Its simple…Roshans are liars…Nothing more to add here..
The numbers for raees are not inflated…Whoever is saying this has no clue whatsoever. Anyways is there even any alternative number for Raees apart from official numbers? Then whats the debate here? BOIs numbers for SRK movies have usually been lower than official figures. JTHJ was a good 20 crs lower. HNY also in 20 crs lower. CE is around 20 crs lower. BOIs commentary and rating are suspect but their numbers are always within the acceptable range for most movies…infact almost always lower than official…
The issue of Roshans is not the same as for other movies. Roshans invariably have been quoting 30 to 40 percent above actuals. People really don’t have an issue if the collections are +/- 10%…That much in an unstructured BO like India is par for course. But the Roshans are cheats…That’s not the same as other movies variance…
Krish I have a query regarding 1st day collection of HNY cited by producers which was 44.9 Crores, 2 years have passed since then yet no other movie has come close to that No. despite bigger releases in terms of more screens than HNY have been coming regularly?? So how do you explain such massive discrepancy for a single day collection which if compared with BOI No. is almost 8.5 Crores more & that too for a single day!! Is this not cheating?? And most of Shahrukh movies intially also have an inflated total which BOI adjusts after months & years, be it OSO, CE, HNY, RNBDJ & many more!! So it’s not as if Shahrukh is “Doodh ka dhula” but he is like ” Hamam me sab nange” . Difference is of magnitude as Roshans make a mockery of themselves in this game by inflating the No. to an insane level where they are exposed by overdoing it!!
And HNY was pulled up for that….I do remember articles telling about discrepancy…In the end the discrepancy was around 20 crs…Considering the first day was 7 crs higher later obviously they had the sense not to inflate it…Official number was 204 and BOI had it at 180 i think…There was a Tamil and regional version which added to BOIs numbers……After that I think Red chillies have stuck to their numbers and even if it were low like Fan they havent tried to inflate it…
Raees has Good Saturday – Kaabil Grows Well
Saturday 28 January 2017 23.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raaes has had a good Saturday with business going to around 16 crore nett while Kaabil is on the lower side at 11 crore nett but has managed to grow well on Saturday at around 45%. It probably needed to grow a bit more at around 50-60% but its still reasonable growth. The film seems to be doing better on the non working days with collections going low on working days. Now it is about Sunday and if it can do a repeat of the Sunday growth it could be in a position to have a chance of holiding over the weekdays. The four day business of the film is 42 crore nett which is low but reasonable considering it started with only 8 crore entt on day one.The film jumped well at multiplexes on Saturday especially in North India.
Raees has put up a good number on Saturday of 16 crore nett and had growth of around 20-25%. It was less than Kaabil bt that is expected as collections were nearly double on Friday. The film has now collected 75.5 crore nett in four days which is a good total with Sunday to come which could push towards the 20 crore nett mark though there is a cricket match which could hit collections on Sunday. Raees is doing good business all over barring Delhi /UP and East Punjab where it is average. It has a healthy lead of 33 crore nett against its rival Kaabil and as yet Kaabil has not started making any inroads in the gap.
Kaabil started off being 38% of Raees collections using BOI figures and on Saturday is 68%-
So,it is certainly narrowing the gap and is doing better than people were giving it credit for.
In golf parlance, it was 10 shots behind in round one
In second round it is 7 shots behind
Unless, Raees triple bogeys or Kaabil gets a hole in one,it is never going to catch up. But, looks like it will not be a crushing defeat:-)
1st half, good as any films in a decade. The setting, fast moving of the story and this brought back the glory days where audience is given view into lead actor right from the childhood days and develop the story around it. SRK intro was awesome. humor was in right dose and it was a believable setting and story. Me being a Gujarati muslim, I could relate to so many things in the movie that some others might miss.
2nd half, gets very serious and seems like RGV film. The whole movie setting is primarely muslim life/culture (which I think will tank the movie starting monday), it’s a heavy/violent film. The film has a lot of Gujarati word which most will get but some may not.
It’s weird I thought the movie seems like it ended 10 minutes early but on whole the movie could easily be trimmed 10 to 15 minutes and not lose anything. The ending seems abrupt but I got the main point about “Agar main nahi aata to aap mere log ko chod dete kya” (I think it meant for the whole muslim community, not his family).
Film has many great dialogues. “Basti/Maholla bachate bachate, pura saher jala diya” was great.
So you think the muslim culture is dragging it down? But That wasnt the complaint about it so far..
I cant remember it as so violent also..I loved the Anti-booze rally scene..very sharply done. Maybe not a very healthy image, but SRK in slo-mo with that burning bottle in hand was like superb!
There were a lot of old style hero moment in this film.
Yes, I think muslim culture will brig it down after weekend. Nobody is going to say in review that muslim culture is down side of the film. but in a country where 75% of people are non-muslim. I mean the muslim things like muharram, the way it was shown, we have not seen it in big Bollywood films. Think of fight with cutoff goat head, when have we seen that? I think I would be put off by that whole meat market portion if you’re a pure vegetarian, no?
Perhaps I’m not explaining myself clearly but I think the muslim angle will cut into business after weekend. IF it doesn’t than people have truly liked the film. I think people already have otherwise the movie would have started tanking from day 2 since there was another option.
By the way, the clash has hurt both films since both films are decent where if it had came solo, it would have surely added anywhere from 25 to 50 crore to grand total. Papa would not have needed the Roshan calculator than 🙂
Well, imo, half the support Hrithik is getting for this film is of anti-srk, anti-raees momentum..otherwise I don’t think Kaabil will have too many takers. Sometimes clash is a good thing too, in some situations, for some films.
I am not a vegetarian, but the meat market portion was a bit to the extreme.. At the end of the fight SRK goes sprawling down between all that and it was like yuck!!!!!
Raaes has had a good Saturday with business going to around 16 crore nett while Kaabil is on the lower side at 11 crore nett but has managed to grow well on Saturday at around 45%. It probably needed to grow a bit more at around 50-60% but its still reasonable growth. The film seems to be doing better on the non working days with collections going low on working days. Now it is about Sunday and if it can do a repeat of the Sunday growth it could be in a position to have a chance of holiding over the weekdays. The four day business of the film is 42 crore nett which is low but reasonable considering it started with only 8 crore entt on day one.The film jumped well at multiplexes on Saturday especially in North India.
Raees has put up a good number on Saturday of 16 crore nett and had growth of around 20-25%. It was less than Kaabil bt that is expected as collections were nearly double on Friday. The film has now collected 75.5 crore nett in four days which is a good total with Sunday to come which could push towards the 20 crore nett mark though there is a cricket match which could hit collections on Sunday. Raees is doing good business all over barring Delhi /UP and East Punjab where it is average. It has a healthy lead of 33 crore nett against its rival Kaabil and as yet Kaabil has not started making any inroads in the gap.
Another exhibitor from Bengal sumit kadel boycotts Kaabil.
I boycott #kaabil , i will not tweet about this movie anymore. I dont support manipulation. Best of luck to the whole team .
11:10 PM – 28 Jan 2017 from Kolkata, India
Don’t know how low these Roshans fall? Hrithik is so talented that they don’t need this silly manipulation for every movie of his. Even with this manipulation will barely touch 100cr and they are already throwing success parties. Good help them!!
I will confess I accept the wide view that HR is a big star but talent I don’t know. I watched KNPH only based on the hype from media. Barring Ek Pal La Jeena, dancing & good looks I didn’t see a talented actor. I only saw a new poster boy. He quickly changed my thoughts as Fiza, Mission Kashmir he had a sense of vulnerability which I don’t know was a young nervous actor or genuine acting. KMG was a good moment and 2006 a great ‘star’ year but he has not improved as an actor at all.
These sumet kadel and the ilk are mere phonies on twitter trying to get some publicity. This is the new trend on twitter where any Tom, Dick and harry declares himself as a “trade analyst” and pretends how he will not post “manipulated figures” to get his 2 mins of fame.
Kaabil (Hindi) grew well on Saturday as collections improved around 40% from the day before which is good growth but still overall collections remain on the lower side. The film grossed 10.75 crore nett on Saturday taking its four day total to 41.75 crore nett. If the film had grown another 15-20% it would be in a better position as now it has to repeat the sort of growth it had on Saturday on Sunday again. The weekday business will be cruccial for the film and the holds will have to be very strong which may allow it to challenge Raees in the second week The four three day business of Kaabil (Hindi) is as follows..
Raees had good collections on Saturday as it collected around 15.50 crore nett taling its four day total to a healthy 75 crore nett. The film jumped around 20% from the previous day which had seen a big fall as it came after the big national holiday. Sunday should see a jump although there is the cricket match which may affect the collections. Then it will be down to the crucial Monday and weekday business which will determine whether film can become a hit or not. Raees has beaten the competition of Kaabil as it leads by over 30 crore nett in just four days and that its near impossible for Kaabil to get that back but its still open to question whether Raees will sustain after the weekend. The first four day business of Raees is as follows.
Raees Grosses Over 145 Crores At The Worldwide Box Office
By Koimoi.com Team -January 29, 2017
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Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees is witnessing an exceptional run not only in India but also in overseas market.
Till now, this action crime thriller has grossed 107.56 crores (nett. 76.83 crores) at the domestic box office and 38 crores in the international markets.
Raees now stands with a global total of 145.56 crores at the box office.
The film will soon enter the elite club of 100 crore at the domestic market.
Produced under the banners of Red Chillies Productions and Excel Entertainment, the film stars Mahira Khan and Nawazuddin Siddiqui in key roles.
Note: The worldwide total was miscalculated last evening. We apologise for the mistake.
The tenth season of Bigg Boss has not been very fruitful for the makers — as per BARC ratings, the show has not made it to the top five most-watched Hindi entertainment shows even once. And desperate times seem to have forced Bigg Boss into desperate measures. From allowing rude and violent contestants (Swami Om and Priyanka Jagga) to stay in the show to arranging a real marriage (Monalisa and Vikrant) inside the house, the makers tried everything in the book (and more) to grab eyeballs. Sadly, they stooped too low in the process and yet, failed to get the much-coveted ratings.
Kaabil is now shying with the Raees figures on a dialy basis with the gap now frighteningly close to just above 2 crores. It must be noted that Raees released on 60% screens while Kaabil got just 40%. The first day started with a near 10 cr gap but has been declining sharply. The word of mouth has clearly gone in favour of Kaabil and it will be interesting to see if Kaabil can eventually outdo Raees in the lifetime.
DAY 1 2 3 4
KAABIL 10.43 18.67 9.77 13.54
RAEES 20.42 26.30 13.11 15.61
GAP 9.99 7.63 3.34 2.07
PREDICTION:
#KAABIL weekend expected to cross 65 crores. Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr Sat 13.54 cr, Sun 16 cr. First week in 85 cr+
#Raees Weekend expected to cross 90 crores. Wed 20.42 cr, Thu 26.30 cr, Fri 13.11 cr, Sat 15.61 cr, Sun : 18 cr. First week in 110cr+
It’s GS 18 for Federer as he defeats Nadal in 5 setter, pleasntly surprising given mental edge Nadal has been having over him for past few years in slam finals! Yet a spectacular win defeating his bete noire especially keeping his age in mind!!
I agree completely, there couldn’t possibly be a better time for him to retire (I’d say he already took too long). Hope he doesn’t keep deluding himself that this is repeatable.
French he can’t win. Wimbledon is only one. Pointless holding out for more. He can only be driven by the love of playing now. He doesn’t want to be the great player who loses in firstrounds.
It’s the greatest way to leave especially 6 months out, it shows how naturally gifted he is. He’s not a beast or physical player. But naturally gifted. I hope he retires.
Yes true. Is he on 7 Wimbledon titles? I think so, it’s tied with sampras. By then he can only get worse, others will improve. I think Federer is like Tendulkar, he had records in mind but his thirst for playing is #1.
This is a competitive era. Multiple GS winners. Federer, Nadal, Novak, Murray, Stan. Tennis will be dull in 5 years time unless some new guys really start impressing quickly.
Worth getting up at 3.30 in am. I think he wants to keep going but as a fan, I too want him to go out on top.
Always hard for the top players to let go but celebrate this moment as it was ultra special and a very gracious speech as well.
Unbelievable. After 4th set I had almost given hope of Fed winning. Was getting more disappointed as this version of Nadal is very much defeatable. But glad that Fed won and hold the nerve to lift the trophy.
I see a lot of people here unnecessarily repetitive with their comments or putting up too many silly things.. such stuff will either be deleted or the person will go into moderation. I’ve already done this in a couple of places.
aamirsaurabh, Raees is not a Christmas/New Year 10 day holiday period release.
What raees is doing is not bad at all keeping in mind release date, there is a compitition in form of kaabil and it’s not family friendly film at all. Let’s not keep trying to compare it to dangal. Raees won’t get to 50% dangal.
@Z,i agree with u though Gulf is compensating somebit due to total muslim setting which even u r suggesting through things as muharram and meat market etc.i can tell u with certainty it cld be hinderance for pure hindu vegetarians as i m myself a pure vegetarian and i cld never enjoy all these things.but this holds totally in favour in a circuit like Gulf.hope collns in ind shows this from yesterday onwards.
Yet another HR release and yet another set of widely discrepant figures about and a fresh crop of allegations and insults hurled at the Roshans.
Till so far,I have bought into the largely prevalent belief here that the Roshans and the dad in particular is feeding false figures without caring much to look at the evidence.
It just struck me that there is indeed a possibility that the truth could be different or somewhere in between.
The main thrust of this vilification of the Roshans is the discrepancy between producer totals and BOI numbers. There are some sites which quote similar numbers as BOI which are possibly related sites or using their numbers.
It is impossible to know the truth since there are no other independent verifiable agencies for box office data.
I am still not convinced that senior Roshan is telling the truth and am best a reluctant convert but I would like to hear from some here who have trade connections what they think or know.
I don’t want to hear that the truth is somewhere in between unless you can tell me if it is closer to BOI or producer totals.
@rajen.Taran adarsh has also taken a dig at roshans abt fake collns,also 1 exhibitor has also boycotted kabil,there r more such instances.there is never a smoke without fire.
Another win for Sindhu in Syed Modi Grand Prix held at Lucknow as she defeated her opponent easily & won her maiden Syed Modi Grand Prix Gold title in Lucknow on Sunday with a straight-game victory over Indonesia’s Gregoria Mariska. Sindhu won the women’s singles summit clash 21-13, 21-14. Great to see Indian players excelling in different sports and maintaining their level at the top consistently, earlier it was Sania & Saina (still dominating) now Sindhu, K. Srikanth in badminton, Harikrishna in chess, Phogat sisters & Sakshi Malik in Wrestling, Deepa Karmakar in gymastics, entire kabaddi team & some other talented young players in other sports making India proud. Hope to see more players emerging out in different sports at the international level making India proud at such events.
This is from Indicine Q&A section which is related to inflating the collections of movie by the producers:
Q. Are the makers of Kaabil manipulating the collections because there seems to be a lot of difference in trade and producer figure?
A. A couple of things here. One, the ‘manipulation’ that we talk about, should not be a comparison between figures released from one source in the trade to the official figures released by the producers. ‘Manipulation’ can happen from both sides. Two, it is impossible for any one apart from the producers to track box office collections. For example, how will anyone know how much a film has collected at a single-screen, which sells paper tickets? So every figure that’s put out is an estimate with upto 10% error margin (could be more sometimes). Also, some producers include collections from Nepal in their figures, the trade source might not include. Producers also include collections from Telugu and Tamil version into their figures, some trade sources don’t.
We are very clear about one thing and that is, there needs to be uniformity. The outrage cannot be selective or for just one film. If we question Kaabil, we have to also question Shivaay, Krrish 3, the first day and lifetime of Happy New Year, the collections of a film like Baby and even the smallest of films.
Inflating box office figures is a sign of weakness and desperation to prove yourself to be bigger than you actually are. The biggest of stars don’t need to inflate. Their box office pull is good enough to see them through to the biggest of numbers. More on this some other time in a separate article.
All this talk of Producer’s number includes Tamil/Telugu is pure hogwash. Telugu/Tamil is doing no business and are disaster to the core, forget difference for 2-3 crs per day!
Indicine is just going by Producer’s number for daily Kaabil business. Then they try to support it by this way. Not gonna work.
I think no one’s targeting only Kaabil. Samething happened all over during Krrish 3, Bang Bang and Shivaay. Upto 10% is understandable to an extent but not more than that.
It’s also clear indicine, addatoday etc revised comments on Kaabil post producers totals. Through Wednesday it was poor start and average. But when producers totals came that they support they had to slyly amend comments to reflect a late night surge in collections. They all justified this to get from there tracking 8 CR to final 10+ CR. They are now questioning their own logic of using producer totals. I have a tiny bit more sympathy for trade on this score.
HNY first day was by far the biggest hogwash as it “exceeded” all decency & inflated the figure by more than 30% & that too for a single day!! But you would cherrypick Shivaay, Krrish 3, Bang Bang but keep mum on CE’s difference of 20 Crores!! This selective outrage is more harmful as one keeps one’s eyes wide open only when it doesn’t involve one’s favourite which makes the issue fester as positions keep interchanging in this game of manipulation!! Hindi film industry should have an independent tracking system which should be free of any duress or influence, until this happens, such incidents would keep recurring with different names involved!!
New York: An Indian-American woman, who along with her husband had been the inspiration behind Shahrukh Khan’s film Swades, was stopped and asked by police if she was in the US “illegally”, an incident which comes amid rising fears over President Donald Trump’s immigration policies. Ms Pillalamarri, has lived in Bel Air for more than 30 years and is a US citizen.
Aravinda Pillalamarri, 47 was walking in her Bel Air neighbourhood in Maryland on the morning of December 21, a routine with her, when she said she was stopped by a Bel Air Police Department officer, The Baltimore Sun reported.
Aziz Ansari captured it well when he talked about lower case kkk and I think it is rampant. Racial discomfort ( hate to call it racism ) is still rampant and sadly they just feel more emboldened now.
The decision makers don’t realise this at all. The greatest ODI I have watched without India involved is the Australia vs. South Africa semi final in 1999 in England. Only a 225 odd chase it was epic. Of course the repeat match of 430 odd chases was great too. But bowling will fast become the third discipline in cricket behind fielding. Sure not many ‘great’ bowlers exist, but what’s the incentive? To get hit for 4 instead of 6?
I am responding here to Z’s comment about Raees being affected by ‘Muslim’ cultural practices and so on but also responding to some other things more generally. I’ve argued about this before as well but I find this line of thought extremely troubling. First off I am full aware of how much religious polarization there is in India. I can also understand why a Gujarati Muslim would experience this polarization to a much greater degree. But it’s simply false to attribute this sort of reason to Raees. Why?
1)Let’s look at SRK’s entire history since KANK. The film of his that does well in this entire period is actually the exception to the rule. In any genre. The rule here is that most of his films open well or even great but they all fizzle out. Some trend better than others but the overwhelming majority either fails or underperforms greatly. Irrespective of genre and at every end of the production spectrum. With or without competition, irrespective of release date. I don’t even have to get into the examples. They’re blatantly obvious. Clearly he’s retained his initial as a star but he doesn’t seem to be able to translate this into anything more permanent. but he’s also not at the Salman level of stardom where anything barely half-decent gets to a minimal gross. You combine all of this and he needs really a very good film to get even relatively decent trending. Or else something with a hot director like Shetty and a top actress like Deepika. How many of these films underperformed of failed because of ‘Muslimness’?
2)Z himself admits that the second half is like an RGV film. How many of RGV’s films are great grossers or even strong trenders?
3)You don’t need ‘special’ explanations when there are obvious ones related to the narratives, when there are longer histories and so on. Raees is in keep with what has been par for the course for SRK for more than a decade.
4)I’ll go even further. Even audiences that are polarized by Hindu-Muslim issues or what have you generally tend to leave this sort of stuff behind when they’re watching a movie. If that weren’t the case why would Raees be getting a good initial? Doesn’t the trailer make it rather obvious that he’s a Muslim gangster? The audience saying ‘we’ll tolerate ‘Muslimness’ upto a point and not beyond this’ again is rather hard to believe. That kind of person will simply not show up for such a film. But if such an attitude is so widespread the initial becomes a bit of a mystery!
5)All of this is connected of course to a larger level of ‘fantasy’ involving those who are partisans of SRK one way or the other. All partisans resort to these explanations when it comes to their favorites. There is a huge gap between saying SRK is a big opener still, at least on his day, and that he can get the biggest grossers imaginable. The first part of this statement is self-evident whereas there is no evidence for the second bit. There is currently a gap of 100 crores between SRK’s biggest grosser (CE) and Salman’s biggest. I don’t need to get into the gaps with Aamir’s films. And this has been true at every level since Ghajini. At every point Aamir has been way ahead and then Salman after Dabangg. Is SRK potentially always in a position to get to those totals given some of his openings? yes. But then why doesn’t he? Much as Salman never seems to close the gap with Aamir despite his much greater stardom at the moment relative to SRK. When some here argue that ‘content’ lets SRK down this too is part of the same fantasy. A star is not just his initial but the entire set of his decisions. When enough films disappoint the audience the initial/gross are affected. The WOM doesn’t mean as much. Secondly the ‘content’ argument is a very flimsy one in any case. Most stars at any level would do quite well if the ‘content’ of their films were better! Ranbir had big failures after YJHD because of ‘content’. One could go down the list this way. Whether a star is bigger or smaller than another ‘content’ is always important. Yes stars at their absolute peak can sometimes still do well in nothing films. Salman is at that level. SRK isn’t. Of course SRK was never that kind of star even at his peak. But the gap between the initial and the ‘content’ if you will is structural, not coincidental. I could develop this point more too. The common assumption to all of these fantasies is that SRK is somehow just like Salman or Aamir but he’s choosing the wrong films. He must be incredibly stupid if he’s been choosing the wrong stuff for a dozen years! There are deeper structural reasons for his problems. Could he be in a much better position in terms of his grosses? Sure! But that’s never going to happen except on an exceptional day. the fans surely know this more than anyone else. How many films, big or small, have they waited for thinking ‘hey this is finally the one’?!
6)Z might sincerely believe the religious stuff but I think there’s a simpler explanation possible. As a fan one quite possibly overrates what is an enjoyable enough but not a particularly special film. To then get huge numbers with this kind of film you need to be in Salman’s position. Raees might be way better than Dilwale or HNY or whatever (just the trailer was enough to convince one of this!) but this doesn’t otherwise make it a fantastic film. If one keeps starting with false assumptions one has to keep indulging in fantasies to account for why a certain result doesn’t come about. Notice how BOI keep highlighting ‘SRK’s star power’. There is something called protesting too much! If he were all that they wouldn’t need to say it so many times! Yes he is still an important star, just not the star he once was. And again one can dismiss everything I’m saying here but the history over the last 12 years is plain enough. One can keep making excuses for every release but it adds up eventually. there is a pattern!
the Muslim thing troubles me because there’s simply no need to go that far.
Not sure what this has to do with star power. I think SRK has proved his star power by getting the opening his movies does.
My comment/feeback was simply on muslim angle, it doesn’t matter if it has SRK, salman, Abhi or chunky pandey in it.
In my house, it we’re watching TV and something with pig comes on, we change the channel so my point was on that line that if I’m pure vegetarian, I wouldn’t want to see all that meat and fight sequence with chopped off goat being used as a weapon. And then muharaam and all other scenes.
It was just a thought running thru my mind while watching the movie that I thought there was too much muslimness in the movie.
I keep using desai films examples, in AAA, Rishi was muslim as well as few others but they were just presented as ordinary people with muslim names. In Raees, it’s different or maybe it’s not different but india of today is not what india was in Desai days. And I think that fact made me think that the movie will tank after the initial run. RaOne started tanking from like day 1 cause the movie was very bad. Raees is decent enough where it does keep people engaged and people are liking it somewhat.
Ra One did put up some big numbers in the initial period. Leaving that aside though I agree on the Desai point you’re making. I’ve always found the ‘ghettoization’ problematic in today’s cinema. Desai did it in some ways too but in his films the majority was as ghettoized as the minority. But the real point to be made is that Desai made compelling films. The films today are mostly not as a compelling.
On SRK the problem is ‘star power’ is a rather amorphous term. No one is denying he is a big star. But of what magnitude? If he had as much ‘star power’ as Salman Raees would sail to 200 without a problem. A terrible Barjatya film that flopped got to 200. Most of the Salman films that have done well are pretty terrible too, Raees is probably better than most of them. So SRK actually hasn’t ‘proved’ what you think he has proven. And it’s important precisely in this context. When a producer or a distributor bets on a film he’s of course looking at the opening (this indicates basic safety for a film) but he’s also looking at that final number. His understanding of ‘stardom’ don’t end with the initial when one guy does 300 and another doesn’t even get to 200. If you account for this difference in stardom then whatever total Raees gets to (assuming it doesn’t tank from Mon) will seem good enough whereas if you think that with every big film he’s in a position to get to 250 or more then you’ll need other explanations.
I’ll say this also, I didn’t mention this in the longer comment just now. A star who is as tied to genre as SRK is will always find reinvention difficult. Because his real base likes films that have reached their expiry date in genre terms and with newer films, that might be in different genres but comparable in quality, there are just not as many takers. What this means is that because he has a certain base with the audience he will get his initial but it is much more likely to translate into disappointment than not and even the film that does well will be capped off in certain ways. Barring exceptional days like CE (this is just an ordinary day for Salman). This is true for all stars who are deeply connected to a genre. Salman is more successful than ever before because he was never that deeply connected to genre before this. Started off in love stories but those fizzled out fairly quickly, then he did Dhawan, then some other stuff, he was all over the place and for many years was even off the radar. Had he been as associated with romantic cinema as SRK was he couldn’t have been where he is currently. Now SRK because of his continuing stardom could potentially have the biggest numbers if he had perhaps Aamir-like judgment. But that’s already asking for the highly improbable. How many have Aamir’s judgment? The Salman model is much more common. You’re a huge star, you get the right films but then half-decent stuff (at least by his low standards) also works. Again assuming Raees does 150 or more why is this a problematic gross if one wasn’t expecting more? Yes it could do 200 even with competition. Bajirao did 170-180 with competition. So 200 shouldn’t be too much of an ask. But clearly it seems to be this for SRK. You could keep saying he’s proved his star power and it’s about content or this film or that film and these gaps with the two above him just keep growing wider. Fair enough, anyone below him isn’t even in his position. We’ve just seen how Kaabil has opened. Ranbir barely touched 100 with Johar just recently. But the ‘content’ argument holds for everyone. Clearly ADHM wasn’t YJHD.
On the Muslim angle once more I’m simply not convinced. SRK could have been a Hindu gangster in exactly this film (making all the appropriate changes). Would it have worked more?! I used to have arguments with folks when Raavan was about to release. They were people on the Right who felt that in today’s India messing about with the Ramayana would cost the film. I didn’t buy that before or after release. I liked the film a lot but the reason it didn’t work isn’t exactly a mystery to me and it has nothing to do with Raavan being center-stage. The audience just doesn’t care about this stuff inside a theater.
Don’t want to get into this debate.. but Satyam, I was trying to find the link of movie review which I saw few days back which had the headline: “Raees is not for vegetarians!!” It is a common reaction for the meat fight in the movie!
Satyam Federer win is showing in your comments 😉 Incisive like Federer’s volleys & forehands!! May the impact of his victory on you stay for long for fans like me to keep devouring & relishing your insightful commentary which has become very sparse lately.
It’s not about Aamir or Salman getting 300 or not in Raees.. it’s about SRK getting 300 in some subject he chooses. It clearly has been an aim of his for very long to get to some of the biggest benchmarks. On the rest yeah unlike Master I don’t buy this whole spiel of ‘I made it to only get 150’. Yeah Johar was also modest enough to only dream of a 100 with ADHM. Fans have a thousand explanations. reality though is a tough customer.
Incidentally I’m not attacking Raees or SRK at all.. but yes I am grilling the fans. And again I don’t like religious explanations in these matters.
What I find funny in these debates is (not Raees but films like Sultan and BB and Dilwale);
– pre release predictions are big
– person X or Y watches the film. Predicts similar. Likes film.
– film never gets to target predictions
– person X or Y not at all ‘shamed’ by predictions. But actually still rejoices! In other words 350 CR for Sultan or BB is same as 300 CR, the level of success is deemed the same even though that level of success is very different.
– for Dangal, predictions of 150-200 CR plus Lagaan 2 status was perfectly fine.
– post film, it’s good film, not Lagaan. 270-280 CR max.
– bang 385 CR.
– nothing said, absence or petulance arrives
Master I actually expected Talaash to post big numbers. In my book it’s a faltered box office result whatever trade declared it. Audience didn’t like it overall. But I back this statement up with another. It did as much as it could. Simply put, relative to Aamir’s own standard it didn’t fair as well as expected. Comparing to other stars it did well. D3 I’ve said many a time was pretty average, despite doing record business. It’s a forgotten film. I won’t ‘soften’ my stance just for favouritism. A lot of that happened with Sultan. Who cares if it didn’t break records. Why predict it and then be happy with it not! That boasting element is not needed. A secure film fan, enjoys the film. Ends it there, moment numbers are thrown about one exposes the kitchen sink treatment.
I think you came back here with an odd comment as if things ‘outside’ of blog were fine. Clearly Dangal ruffelled your feathers!
It’s laughable to think that one finds the Raees gross of 150 (if that is the case) perfect without any questions asked while one also questions Talaash. Or people say that Kaabil needs to get to 90 to be a hit. yeah maybe Talaash was budgeted like Bahubali and needed a lot more. I do agree with what you’re saying. It was certainly subpar in box office terms for Aamir though he got it a higher number than anyone else could have. More importantly those who are satisfied with mediocre or worse grosses for their favorite stars in the most commercial films have no right to question Talaash on any grounds.
Satyam is clearly wrong here. Dilwale was his big ticket project to cross 250 crs if released solo on Christmas. Both Fan and Raees were sort of experiments by admitted SRK himself. I don’t think he had over 200 cr in his mind at all. That 200 from Raees was lost when it released in clashed. I think SRK very clearly was aware of the fact of losing business. They thought maybe it can touch 175 crs in clash now and fine with it.
Isn’t there something between 150 and 300? You always set up this straw man argument with the highest possible number. And yeah Raees is an ‘experiment’. Why be so modest? Just call it an art film. It’s the biggest ever grossing art film.
“It clearly has been an aim of his for very long to get to some of the biggest benchmarks. ”
Yes Dilwale could have been that one. Nothing else. Don’t think he signed Rahul Dholakia’s film to touch 300 cr or FAN or Dear Zindagi. I don’t think he signed Imtiaz Ali’s to do 300 crs as well. You certainly need to come out of this incorrect assumption.
But if still, if the star power argument has to stick you have to prove the other two in better positions in star power relative to SRK, will need to get this numbers in whatever vehicle they choose, isn’t it?
I am not talking about Ranbir at all..I am just considering those two who got ahead of SRK..How will they fare with their greater star power?
“But if still, if the star power argument has to stick you have to prove the other two in better positions in star power relative to SRK, will need to get this numbers in whatever vehicle they choose, isn’t it?”
Actually I find this proposition absurd. It’s like saying if Bachchan is a big star he should prove it by also doing as well as Aamir in QSQT! Or if SRK is a big star he should do as well as Hrithik in Krrish. Leo should outdo Vin Diesel in Fast and Furious or do his own Mad Max or whatever! This stuff is so patently silly, only politeness prevents me from characterizing it the way it really should be. Stars have to do well or not relative to their own choices, they don’t have to start proving it on other people’s turf. But if you want a thought experiment, yeah there’s no way that SRK gets to 300 in Sultan. Salman couldn’t cross PK with a universally liked bajrangi (live wire is still finding explanations for this as we speak..). Let’s deal with these thought experiments first. As for Raees Aamir would first of all have the good sense to not do it. Maybe SRK should learn something from Aamir here and select the right “content”!
Anyway I’m probably wasting my time even arguing all of this but once in a while I get in the mood!
As usual you are moving from the topic. I brought Talaash to prove another point. You can’t know the reason behind the movies, the worst you can’t for SRK movies 200%.
Aamir said he expected Talaash to do max 70 crores and budget according to it and became co-producer. Now industry might be disappointed that it did only 93 crores but he was super happy as it did 25 crores over his estimation.
So, now you tell me.. did you know Aamir made Talaash expecting 70 crores? If he can be happy at 93, then why do you think you know SRK made Raees to crack 300 crores. Why can’t it be possible that SRK just liked the role so much and he accepted back in 2013. I don’t think they had even 300 crore idea that time. I think everyone knows its a delayed project.
” And yeah Raees is an ‘experiment’. Why be so modest? Just call it an art film. It’s the biggest ever grossing art film.”
Yeah Rahul Dholakia is definitely an art film maker and all his movies till now didn’t make 10 crores Nett together. You talking all nonsense without even seeing the movie. The ‘voice’ of the director is certainly arty and is not commercial. That itself limits the movie’s audience. I’m sure 100% you are that much intelligent to figure out that but you will not accept it on here.
Rahul Dholakia didn’t make an art movie this time and he did try to make an commercial movie and expand his audience. That doesn’t mean he has attempted a Dhoom 3 or Dilwale here. His commercial film is still not as commercial as other movies.
By that token any gross is fine. Raees could do 60 and that would still be great! The recent film Ranbir did with Imtiaz Ali wouldn’t have done Rs 5 otherwise. Hey that’s great too. Half the flops or under performers are quite ok judged by this yardstick.
On the rest Aamir might say he expected 70, doesn’t mean I have to accept everything he’s saying at face value! I’m sure he budgeted the film accordingly (of course one wonders why it isn’t then called a clean hit for the same reasons that Kaabil apparently can be at 90). His films are budgeted smartly even when they make 300. Aamir also said just recently on Nahata’s show that he never thinks about the gross and so on. That simply isn’t true. I love Bachchan but I don’t believe most of the things he says. There’s a difference between loving a star’s work and believing everything he or she says.
I’ll say this finally. If Aamir were happy with the Talaash result or consider it just fine he wouldn’t be where he is. For that matter if SRK thought like some of his fans do he also wouldn’t be where he is. I’ve seen him look really pleased and more publicly available just twice following a film’s release in the last dozen years. Once after OSO, once after CE. All those other ‘hits’ that fans see and BOI (or whoever) sees are clearly not enough to convince SRK! A guy as ambitious as him doesn’t just act in a full blown masala deal just to get 150 on the board. Gimme a break! Offbeat director or not, Raees is not made like that sort of film. Of course the idea that a film can do 150-160 but absolutely cannot do 200 unless there’s no competition is itself a contradictory statement. Because if a film is that hard to digest how is it getting to 200 even without competition (there is no scenario in which a DZ gets to 150-200, nor a Piku, nor any such film)? And with competition why can’t it do what Bajirao did also with competition (Kaabil is hardly getting anywhere close to the Dilwale number!). Your claims are completely contradictory.
“I think you came back here with an odd comment as if things ‘outside’ of blog were fine. Clearly Dangal ruffelled your feathers!”
Jayshah, I’m not that dumb to leave the blog seeing Dangal’s business. I left the blog on Dec 24(which was 2nd day in India). It has nothing to do with that movie. Regarding Dangal, it was pretty clear by Mon/Tue that it will break PK. Simple as that. My prediction was 300 after watching the movie and it was fine and I don’t think anyone expected 380. Simple. I didn’t love the 2nd part and based on that I predicted as still 1st half is enough to cross 300 crores.
I think enough has been said about my absence and Dangal timing. But I think Satyam(& some folks) clearly knows why I left and actually I had no intention to get back on here. Just while driving back from Raees.. I was thinking about the movie and came back and typed the review. That’s all. It was very impromptu comeback and I don’t think or plan such trivial things in my life.
For the record I certainly don’t know why you left. I have seen these disappearances many times as a historic matter. Each time when the folks come back they always have a ‘good reason’ and each time they’re shocked that anyone would think otherwise. A SRK fan never disappears when a SRK film releases, the same for others perhaps but in any case there’s a formula here. In any case hope you’ll stick around.
“Actually I find this proposition absurd. It’s like saying if Bachchan is a big star he should prove it by also doing as well as Aamir in QSQT! Or if SRK is a big star he should do as well as Hrithik in Krrish. Leo should outdo Vin Diesel in Fast and Furious or do his own Mad Max or whatever! This stuff is so patently silly, only politeness prevents me from characterizing it the way it really should be. Stars have to do well or not relative to their own choices, they don’t have to start proving it on other people’s turf…”
That is your argument only..you want SRK to do 300 in whichever film he makes irrespective of the content. If you can excuse Talaash for Aamir and Jai ho for Salman and still call them huge, SRK shud also get some exemptions. Fan and Raees were no way big money expected films but you still are expecting it! HNY or Diiwale was, but can you call them both out and out SRK vehicles? In HNY, he was just like a bystander in most of the film and Dilwale, Varun dhawan-Kriti track just kept testing one’s patience. Still they were big ticket releases and one can blame SRK or picking trashy content for whatever compulsions and that’s why, everybody including his fans want him to have a change over, change track, do some better content oriented films and make sure that you keep on it until you get it right. And it does seem that now there is a conscious effort to do that in the current crop of films. And we are hopeful, not of crores, that may also come when other things get right, but to go on the right track. This is a natural progression for him. He has been a romantic hero for longest time and now, even the years put on makes it impossible to go on in that direction. he did enough of that in his peak years and unlike the other two, he didnt have to re invent pretty early in life to stay in competition. Now over 51, SRK shud do and he is trying to change over a new leaf, and we give him credit when he is doing that. In that way a HNY or a Dilwale was great, seems he has said however small way, a bye bye to that stuff.
And now Raees is a defining moment..becos the original hero who started doing hatke stuff, when he was quite young has turned to that once again. The complaint was that whenever he tried to change tracks nobody showed up or appreciated. Here both has happened, the film is nearing 100 over an extended weekend, and that too with a very populist kind of revenge drama by a major star as competition. And everybody is loving SRK in this avatar..It was a worry how will the looks be handled when age catches on, but seems he looks better in this avatar with a hint or beard and even a moustache! It is true for this film as well as the look he is carrying in Imtiaz Ali’s film. All who loved Raees has made a comment on the way he looks the part and it is doubly satisfying as it is with not much time spent on growing beard or changing shape!
And Satyam, you gave away the argument in your statement itself that Aamir won’t do a Raees and instead pick some good content? Then, what is the good content…safe content? Toh daring kahan hai bhai..?
Raees Good Weekend – Kaabil Finds It Tough
Sunday 29 January 2017 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raaes is looking at Sunday collections of 17-17.50 crore nett which will take it to 92 crore nett plus over the five days. It has done good business over the first five days but the trend is average with growth on Sunday being limited though the match was there which may have hit it for around 5%. But even if allowing for that it would not be big Sunday growth. It will be all on the weekday business and the crucial Monday for the film. The good weekend ensures a successful film but its the next 7-10 days which will tell if the film can be a hit. A good performance in North India multiplexes would have taken it to over 100 crore nett in its extended weekend and that is where the shortfall has come as it has done average business there.
Kaabil has found it tough to stand up to Raees and although there have been a couple of decent days on Thursday and Saturday generally the film is below the mark. The business on Sunday will be around 12-12.50 crore nett which is low number for a Sunday. The five day business of the film will be around 54 crore nett which is not good and it needs one big hold on Monday for a decent lifetime total. The cricket match would have also affected Kaabil also but not enough that it would have been a good Sunday if there was no match. The performance of the film is lacklustre all over India with only Mumbai which can be called average but this circuit finds it hard to hold on Monday as releases are wide here even in a clash.
It is according to the distributor price. Not sure what’s your issue is. What is the Bang Bang comparison which was HW remake with Raees ?
Some folks have this dishonest way of classifying everything as flop unless its not 300 crores. (To think of I think even Sultan didn’t get enough praise for its 300 crs)
“Some folks have this dishonest way of classifying everything as flop unless its not 300 crores. (To think of I think even Sultan didn’t get enough praise for its 300 crs)”
must be the same folks who are forever debating big day 1 or day 2 numbers..
well some folks seem to be very interested in big day 1 or day 2 numbers or ‘records’ in this sense but play this morality card when they can’t get to the biggest totals (‘hey why are you obsessed with 300’?). Positions must be taken in good faith.
If you thought Raees to do 300 crs, you are living in fool’s paradise. Even during trailers and even after watching.. I stuck to 160 crs. According to distributors it is 150 to be clean Hit.
Not every subject is blockbuster material. No one is really disliking the movie but feeling it ‘heavy’ which I already predicted before its release.
I never expected 300. But you are as usual choosing to miss the point. If SRK did Raees just to do 150 or so I think you don’t know much about him. In any case my point here isn’t just about Raees.
“If SRK did Raees just to do 150 or so I think you don’t know much about him”
Lol. It was more hard hitting than the current versions with not many songs either. That could have done just over 100 cr in its lifetime. Yes if it had solo Eid release they had hopes but once it got delayed all that records washed away espcially coming with a clash. Now, don’t say me SRK expect 300 crs even in clash now in January month. Yes without clash, it would have done 200+ crores in festive release. But once it released on clash, it lost 50 crs easily and no way going past 160.
lol, true. Kaabil unless it stays really stable at the lower end is just going to be a flop. In any reasonable sense of the word. Raees will look respectable in comparison. But it’s still likely to only end up in Bang Bang terrain. Again unless it too shows surprising strength at the lower end.
SRK knows he is well behind Aamir/Salman. Still he won’t be happy with 150crrs. If so he should have released it solo during non holiday without clash and would have got the same/better numbers. There wouldn’t have been so much issue with Roshans also and Kaabil could have done around 140crrs.
Rather SRK even after the clash would have thought of getting 200crrs or so due to holiday. If really not then this entire clash was futile which should have been avoided.
As a minimal Raees should be getting to 200 crs as I think that would have been the minimum SRK wanted with a clash. 150 cr will give it a clean hit status but I don’t think that was why they made the film in the first place. It is surely not going to get to 200…
But again, I have never been more happier in SRK’s choice of movies than his last 3 movies – Fan, DZ and Raees…Ironically one flopped, one he was supporting and the other one will just be par on the golf course..
Krish, I kept repeating the same thing. I’m yet to see any review which hated Raees even here or in general. The only reason it will not do 200 cr is that it has enough reasons mainly being dark time and not family friendly. If you leave out kids and women, how do you think it’ll do 200 cr in clash in Jan month? I kept repeating how in the world can it touch 200cr? The reviews have been above average as expected and yet it won’t. Gangsters movies are never must watch however good the reviews are. That is simple truth.
Master, I get what you are saying but those are all thoughts in hindsight. We as a viewer can afford that but the makers who knew the material cannot give that as a reason. SRK knew he needed a hit..he knew his material was dark but he still wanted a clash. Roshans didn’t make the clash, SRK chose to clash. So i cannot give him any benefit of doubt there. A solo release would have taken him over 200 crs and a big hit status. The subject material was a risk , maybe, but a solo release and close to 200 cr would have made it an all round success for him. He wouldn’t have reached close to Salman and Aamirs totals but one can discount that seeing the genre once the movie crosses a minimum bar taking the star power into equation. IMO that minimum bar was close to 200 crs for this movie…
It’s all hindsight. That’s obvious. With hindsight, Dangal will gross around 385 CR.
I don’t buy into bullcrap that Raees is made for 150 CR. What the shrewdest business man around has become charitable all of a sudden.
On his choices yes he should avoid Chopjar. And Fan, Dear Zindagi and Raees is probably good start in this shift. Dear Zindagi I’ve only seen and this avatar of being the voice of the voiceless, like wisdom like figure suits SRK. Fan from what I know is a SRK fans film, so I’m hardly going to like it. Raees is up my street but I’m not sure I’ll get to watch it now.
Btw this bar setting of films that once it passes X it’s fine is silly. 300 is par score in cricket. If you’re 20-3 after 5 overs or 60-0 after 5 overs, the bar shifts. Raees had a choice of a batting wicket, but it’s chosen a spinning one. It’s started like a rocket and was pretty much 60-0 after 5 overs. It should be going big whatever! Nothings deterred anyone from rocket launch opening and neither is anyone reporting bad reports.
Aside, i feel SRK has a very good chance to go past 200 in Imtiaz’s next. I doubt Imtiaz will make a sub standard product. It might not be for all audience but atleast it would be a strong multiplex product. And then you have a holiday on both 14th and 15th and somewhere that week there is also Raksha Bandhan…Its a wonderful week to be honest….Will take a very poor movie to screw that up
What an awesome moment on TV after the Salman-SRK camaraderie. The ever generous and lavish Salman. Both looked amazing and feel a bit sad HR never realized his full potential until now but there is still time for him and hope he does more movies and has fun on screen like Salman.
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THANK YOU @BeingSalmanKhan for being the person you are and another great season of #BiggBoss10 🙏@BiggBoss @ColorsTV
Having watched the highlights of Australian open, I think Federer played street smart tennis in the sets he lost. Previously he could have lost those horribly, but he ensured he served first in set 3 and 5. Set 5 that plan went wrong, but watching it I’m surprised how Nadal didn’t go in for the kill. Federer obviously stepped it up but he’s not known for big comebacks. To roll off 5 games in a row was very surprising. He played amazing for sure, but a Nadal of 2008-10 would have won from that position. I did say on Friday he needed to be 1-0 or 2-1 ahead to win. Federer is gutsy but not as gutsy as Novak or Rafa. He needs a cushion for sure. I can see both playing now.
Nadal on this form is firm favourite for French. I’d bet on Murray for Wimbledon as he’s won 2 + Olympics there in last 3 years. If Novak hits form he’ll win US. Big 4 to split the Big 4 events. I’ll be wrong I’m sure.
Federer did surprise me in 5th set. He rolled back the years at points. The match did ooze the feeling of a couple of players past their prime playing one last big match. It wasn’t a classic like previous, as usually the quality of 5th would be in all sets.
If honesty it the best policy then dishonesty is fun.Esp here. When SRK was making HNY and Dilwale, people were saying he should forget Box office and must work out of his comfort zone now when he is working on out of his comfort zone people are saying he is not challanging Salman and Aamir. Yes Fan and Raees are not masterpieces but still they were not run of the mill stories. And what is this fixation about Talaash. Nobody said at that time that it must do around 3 idiot. But it came after 3 years of 3 idiot. Aamir’s popularity is alltime high. It did around 48 or 50 cr weekend and the 90 or 03 cr lifetime means not doubled even weekend. So people say it underperformed. What is wrong in it ? For me if Raees does 150 or above it is good considering all thing and below that is underperformence.
actually no one is saying any such thing. At least the serious folks over here aren’t. No one is attacking SRK for Raees or Fan. But if the fans persist in coming up with questionable claims they must expect debate. This has nothing to do with SRK’s choices. I’ve said from the very beginning that the Raees theatrical trailer was great, that it would easily be better than 99% of Salman’s movies in this period. I still maintain all of this irrespective of how much the film does. But again the argument is with the fans. Today my specific criticism was about the introduction of religion into the box office fate of Raees. I’m sure Z believes this sincerely but I just reject this argument for all the reasons I’ve pointed out today. Again this too has nothing to do with Raees or SRK.
But I think you should at least watch the film once before commenting on the “religious” aspect. I actually agree with people who are saying that the Muslim-ness may keep audiences away. I saw the film and
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There are very off putting scenes in the film (maybe I’m not aware enough so it stuck out for me). For example, his entry scene is him during Moharram, beating himself bloody for 1-2 minutes. Then there is the meat fighting scene which was innovative, but also made my stomach uneasy, because it was just men beating each other with raw meat. Followed by SRK’s character literally starting a communal riot in his neighborhood. Probably the most intense scene of the movie. And finally the film’s climax involves Raees accidentally supplying terrorists bombs for the 1993 Mumbai Bombings.
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I agree that no one really has any idea about these scenes before watching the film, but in terms of repeat viewings, this can be very off putting to the average person. Maybe your opinion of the general public is too optimistic (and I hope that these things one day do not affect one’s reactions), but the people I went with were like this was “too Mullah” for me, and these are the people I consider liberal! Of course this isn’t the only reason for Raees’ limited Box Office, I agree with everything that has been said about SRK not being in the same galaxy as Salman/Aamir etc but in my small sample size of 11 people in Chicago, 6 people complained about the character being too “Kora Mushulman” (too religiously Muslim in Bengali).
To add to this, I don’t think it’s because SRK played a Muslim character specifically. Aamir and Salman played Muslims recently in Dhoom 3 and Sultan but in those films being Muslim really had no relevance to any scene. It had the same relevance that Hinduism had to for example a Ready or Bodyguard (just for the aesthetic and songs). But this is not the case with Raees. The significance of Raees being Muslim here is probably similar to the significance of Salman being Hindu in Bajrangi Bhaijaan.
Raj, I said the same thing above. Without watching Satyam is playing blind game and trying to debate a lost cause. We don’t know the significant impact but to deny there is no impact is blindfolded talk.
The problem is that rather than establishing something by way of evidence you’re working backwards from a ‘result’ and hence grabbing every explanation available. Good reviews don’t translate into 200 crores! It depends on the kind of film. But if you’re saying this for Raees don’t also keep saying that it would do 200 in x or y scenario. What about all his other big films that failed or underperformed? How much did the Don sequel do as a Christmas release? More or less what the original did with competition (if you account for all factors). How much did JTHJ did? Ra One? Dilwale? Should I go on? And how many times have I heard the 200 refrain? Even HNY with extremely suspect producer numbers gets close to it. So Ranveer Singh in a Bhansali historical is a safer genre than Raees? Enough to do 170-180 with competition? Just because a SRK film is liked more than others, better-reviewed than others it absolutely WILL get to 200 crores. When has this proposition been proven? When he doesn’t you either say the film wasn’t good (of course usually not before release!) or that the film is good but the subject cannot do 200. As opposed to other stars I suppose who become superstars doing films with poor content! In any case why not just accept SRK isn’t in the big gross game anymore and stop making these predictions for him. Alright accepted.. he’s doing films to gross 100 or 150 or whatever. He’s made a responsible decision not to go upto 200, let alone 300! This should end the debate.
It’s not exactly rocket science to try and figure out the content of a commercial Hindi film. I am fully aware of how much certain films can or cannot do. Some of us have said this for years about many films. You look at tamasha and it’s obvious it can’t gross like LAK. The difference is some of you say this stuff very selectively when it comes to SRK. No other actor gets this benefit. If the content of Tamasha or BV or Besharam were different Ranbir might be a superstar by now. If post-Guru the content of JBJ or D6 or Raavan (or whatever) were different Abhishek would never be in any trouble. One could go on. Didn’t see people agreeing with me very much when I brought up the content issue on talaash. But then I also see people finding Raees perfect as a film or thinking Fan is very good while discovering all sorts of problems in Dangal!
This is nice small piece from Shekhar Gupta on ills of social media and twitter storm engulfing our daily lives. I am now slowly but surely regretting being part of this current generation as past now seems rosy and god knows what the future holds in the long run as societies get torn apart in this world of excessive communication. Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead……
Of the tweeple, by the tweeple, for the tweeple
Social media can be dangerous if it replaces traditional governance, politics or debate
“…..Between Washington, Mexico, Chennai and New Delhi, you have enough recent evidence to arrive at some conclusions. One, that social media has now graduated from being just a medium of communication, debate and abuse, to an instrument of governance, mass politics and diplomacy. Second, it follows that it takes away from governance the luxury of patience and from diplomacy the power of discrete back-channels and behind-the-scenes negotiations, and accountability from mass politics. Who would you have held responsible if protests in Tamil Nadu really got out of hand? Who is responsible for the human and political detritus of a failed revolution like Arab Spring? How do we deal with a world where the biggest superpower’s president behaves like an old tribal chief or monarch making a declaration of war by sending back the decapitated head of a neighbour’s envoy. Or, where the world’s largest e-commerce giant is hit in the middle of the night in public by the top-ranked officials of the government of its fastest growing overseas market. Welcome to the perilous new world of governance social media………”
No…Z has a point. Though i agree Religion of the Raees is not the main determaintel factor for Buisness of film but still it is a factor however small it it. In a time of Modi bhakts there is a Undercurrent about Khans and among Khans it is SRK who wears his religion on his sleeve most and some unfortunate statement and incident which fulled bhaks ire. It is snow ball effect which translate to common people from bhakts. So it is deadly combo. Undercurrent against SRK + Raees is a Muslim Don. So it is a factor for buisness. One more thing Hrithik was the original Hindu Hero against Khans. in 2000 when Kaho na oyar hai released. RSS’s mouthpiece Panchjanya wrote a article that finally a Hindu hero arrived who will give fight to Khans. Is it just a coincidence that Akshay Kumer is gaining foothold in Modi Govt ? It is a sad reality that religion is playing a role in bollywood however small it may be.
Okay, I am guilty of writing my other reply before reading this part of the topic..This thread has become so large It is dificult to find who has written what..where.
When I saw the film, I was also not concerned about the muslim angle, but now after seeing so many comments on various articles on the net, one very disturbing thing is that there is a clear divide between Raees support and Kaabil support.Now this is about the people who care to go to any site and put down their views on it, but still those comments do make an effect on many more thousand who read it. I hate to admit such stuff or I hate such stuff myself, but these days there is always a counter argument if you ask some1 to say secular. I have seen so many ppl commenting on the media against glorification of a bootlegger, that too a muslim..and go for Kaabil. Even a BJP MP was very openly doing it and he even went on to the extent of comparing SRK to Dawwod Ibrahim! In a nation where this is the ruling party, there is bound to be some takers for that also!
And I notice you keep quoting Bajiro Mastani as a film which did 190 against Dilwale..here also this factor worked to some extent. Bhansali made a slightly better film, but the bigger boost he got was he made it about a Hindu king who has a muslim admirer/wife and it competed against SRK;s film in the intolerant comment climate! Don’t ignore these factors altogether.. SRK is a favourite target of the ruling party. And he hasnt gone out of his way to make peace with them also. Now, BJP is a little on the backfoot because of the demonetisation and all, otherwise the negativity wud have been bigger. Ajay Devgan is another person who used his identity clearly in this regard against a film which had a Pakistani actor in it. Raees ticks that column also, with Mahira Khan in the cast.
Great thoughts but both Bob and Vijjie. Satyam has commenting with eyes closed. Under Z’s comment I posted that I read a review saying Raees is not for vegetarians and he laughed it off. I don’t think many folks in this site itself didn’t want Raees for obvious reasons( Srk, Paki actress, Muslim culture, glorifying gangster etc) and yet they expect in real world people won’t have such biases. As i said convenience talk with closed eyes.
“In a time of Modi bhakts there is a Undercurrent about Khans and among Khans it is SRK who wears his religion on his sleeve most”
It was Rana Ayyuub who on NDTV column pointed that SRK is playing the Muslim identity card since last few years. I never realised it. However if he is playing he must have thought pros and cons.
If he is not playing then he is playing into the hands of Muslim fundamentalists as much as Hindu. So this would even out as they represent < 0.5% of the population.
I don’t think he is wearing his muslim identity on his sleeves. You must have read his reply to Rana Ayyub also.
But it is another matter that this is an out and out muslim character. And in that way releasing it on Eid wud have been really milking the Muslim angle. so instead of releasing it then, they may have avoided it intentionally.
I dont think that SRK has any intention of limiting his appeal to muslims only after so many years of pan india appeal. He is not that foolish.
In any case if Raees has around 100-110 cr weekend – it can at the most add 40-80 cr nett before coming to an end? – so anywhere between 150-200 cr nett is a good comeback by SRK – he knows it well that he can no longer go into aamir/sallu’s 250-300-350 territory any more and should be happy with this. It is good that atleast he has tried to come out of his image in DZ/Fan/Raees – although it is too late in the day but I will take it and wont much bother about him being in AK/SK league – let him be content with Akki now as he is surely going down the road – but kudos he is trying a lot of different genres….
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0451321/ – it says that he is going to play Sahir Ludhiyanvi and in Imtiyaz Ali’s next also – it is a different genre – very good SRK
There is an attempt by few to undermine the success of Raees. This is the sort of hidden agenda that i have been talking for.
The logic given is hardly sane but still one keep writing and writing.
Both Raees and Kaabil has opened at 20-25% today, which is 40% lower than Friday.
This means Raees is set to nett 7 Cr and Kaabil 5.5 Cr today. Both are expect to hold on at this level till the next weekend comes, where business is likely to jump by 40-50%. Raees will cross 100 Cr today.
Raees is looking to wrap at around Rs 145 Cr and Kaabil at Rs 85 Cr. The clash has impacted the movies in a big way.
Eid would have been perfect for Raees with its ambience.
SRK fans are blaming Roshans. But why not blame Salman or Aamir for reserving Eid and Christmas?
I haven’t seen Raees but whatever I’ve read and trailer so far, this was an EID release. Either bromance or chickening out caused the move. But I’d bet big that SRK’s marketing + media support is big enough to give Sultan a pretty good fight. But maybe a third reason is reshoots were forced, only an insider would know.
Don’t think any SRK fans are blaming Roshans. It’s the other way round. SRK fans are happy to have won the clash by a margin.
I 100% agree with both of you that Eid would have been the prefect date for Raees. Somehow the producers did not plan the release well. Raees seems to be losing 30-40 Cr easily. However that’s life because of every hero starts the clash story then many a hits would have become super hits.
Unexpected clash? Did the announcement happened without their notice? Even before official announcement they had spoken to Rakesh Roshan. It wasn’t backstabbing as some dumb folks claim on here. Why would they meet then?
First SRK went and went to meet Rakesh Roshan/Hrithik Roshan in July 2016 along with Ritiesh and Farhan Akhtar. Then he left 3 months to Europe shoot for Imtiaz Ali. He came back and again went and met Rakesh Rohan. Then tried to move the date and then had not much choice and then went ahead and get over with this delayed project.
SRK said even before meet that he’s sure Rakesh ji will help him out as Kaabil shoot has not even started by May and yet they didn’t wanted to change the dates. Then Papa Roshan played a cheap game of announcing Krrish 4 with SRK-ALR Christmas 2018 and then a week later backing out saying.. I didn’t know he announced first so am backing out. Hope SRK does the same. LMAO.
Firstly this is not like other clashes.. SRK met twice with the producers officially and its not like clashing without giving them chance to move. Kaabil shooting didn’t even start and yet they don’t want to help out a 95% completed and delayed movie.
Rakesh Roshan said ” I don’t care who is coming with us, Kaabil will release on Jan 26, 2017. If they want to come its their choice”
Then when the dates gets nearer, they keep crying… OMG why are they clashing and killing our movie. Its not that they didn’t had a choice and all clash was done suddenly in last 1 month.
Also, Sanjana since you are Aamir fan. Let me remind me that in 2008 Aamir khan clashed purposely last minute with 1 year back announced huge movie in Love Story 2050 with his Jaane Tu Ya jaane na and killed Harman Baweja’s film. When asked he said ” They had a choice to move too, if they were scared, they should have moved. I thought thats the best date for release irrespective of their film coming’ This was done 2 months before release and Baweja had no way to move out of the clash.
@”Let me remind me that in 2008 Aamir khan clashed purposely last minute with 1 year back announced huge movie in Love Story 2050 with his Jaane Tu Ya jaane na and killed Harman Baweja’s film. When asked he said ” They had a choice to move too, if they were scared, they should have moved. I thought thats the best date for release irrespective of their film coming’ This was done 2 months before release and Baweja had no way to move out of the clash”.
OMG ! I did not know this !!!!!
Mr. Holy cow of this blog, Aamir played nasty with BV too. After announcing PK for June first week release date, one fine day developed cold feet and shifted to Christmas which was already taken by BV and eventually making they shift.
Sorry folks I cannot do it (Double-entendre) in June, I need Christmas to do my ‘thingy’:-) 🙂
True Aamir was wrong to not allow Love 2050 or BV a clean release just to bomb in the process and inadvertently not have a SH and ATBB in process. And SRK is clean to battle SLB twice, once to trounce 2 newcomers in a film that could have at least played safe and the other time well stop SLB giving 200+ CR big hit. Third time trounce a director who gave him one huge BB and a fellow friend who treats him like a senior and in dire need for a hit and ‘could’ have got it on solo.
“. After announcing PK for June first week release date, one fine day developed cold feet and shifted to Christmas”
I read recently some comment here that Hirani times his films perfectly for Christmas release. Funny to say the least. PK was supposed to release in Christmas 2013 but got delayed and they announced Jun 1, 2014. Later Hirani said Aamir suggested to release during Chrismas as people tend to watch more movies during holidays and they waited doing nothing to release during Chrismas 2014. It is not about movies getting completed exactly that time.
“According to the filmmaker, the festive season was also the reason to shift the release date to Christmas as more people would be able to watch the film. “It is festive and holiday times and more people tend to watch films during this period. Moreover every filmmaker wants more people to watch his film. So keeping the festive season in mind, we are releasing the film on Christmas” said the National Award winning filmmaker.”
The simple difference between this clash and other clashes is that SRK personally went to Roshans twice to avoid the clash. Kaabil had enough time to change it to April end and still gaining higher ground by showing generosity and helping another star. Raees had no way to push more ahead than Jan.
Papa Roshan talks about friendships and all but when given easy opportunity to move away. It wasn’t even an ego issue. SRK himself moved away from Salman Khan even though he had announced first. Hrithik didn’t even needed to do that.. they could have used it as they helped out SRK. All Kaabil needed was a solo week even Feb or April would have been fine.
You want a 95% movie already delayed for 2 years to move ahead instead of your own movie which you didn’t even start shooting? Is that the friendship Roshans are talking about? Not sure, what is there to support here?
Clash cannot happen just 1 way. Once Raees is confirmed for Jan, Kaabil team had 2 options
– To clash with Raees and share screens
OR
– To move to different date.
They preferred to clash with Raees instead. I don’t think they were forced to clash on gunpoint.
Swap Raees and Kaabil round, comments are same. EID was never conclusive that Raees would release. Whoever came first should stick to it. Backing down shows your weakness. SRK basically admitted he’s not on Salman’s planet! Roshan’s and Bhansali’s did opposite. They stood up. SLB won, Kaabil lost. Also KEY is SRK still lost something too. He’s pissed off two directors who have supported his career for one holiday, for like 10 CR of business!
If you booked the date it’s yours. Most wedding halls and dates are booked before anything is done. The decent thing is to try to avert clash. Not just for your own film, for the industry, for friends etc. RR stayed true to his word, his film released on time. Sure they may have rushed it.
Even Dutt film has been earmarked for ages 2017 Xmas. It should not back down. Let TZH lose 1500 screens. Economically one can be sure Hirani will budget well. Content he is good. If one’s secure with your film, clashes are not big deals. It doesn’t take much for audience to come out to watch good films.
This clash was a big deal as both stars searching for hit. The Aamir example, fine, he shouldn’t do it. Love 2050 and BV would bomb on any day anyway. Aamir is secure in knowing his product can take a hit but still economically do well. With or without Love 2050 and BV, JTYJN and PK would be big hits. He knew and oozes confidence with Lagaan and TZP in clashes, he is secure when he knows he’s made a good film.
Can’t say same for Raees and Kaabil. Script sense not there historically with either star or box office pedigree not there with either director. Why introduce an extra anomaly of a clash to further relegate your situation.
The difference is always in the results. Both Raees and Kaabil on solo could be financially lucrative for an industry starved of commercial successes but together they could end up cancelling each other out. Together they’ll do less than 250 CR, maybe less. What they do together is optimally what Raees could do on own.
Simply you can count on one hand who can survive a clash with high rate of success. SRK and HR are not on that list, not proved it. Former by virtue of avoiding Salman/Sultan showed his hand (he chickened out, that’s reality but good business sense. Irony is Raees probably could make more last year even clashing with Sultan then now! Perception wise JTHJ faltered as did Dilwale. You’d think the brain would be programmed to avoid unnecessary panga’s), latter by losing to Rustom and likely again with Raees and just general fall in career. RR too is to blame, all parties are for a variety of reasons.
Here Akhtar and srk are to be blamed for not taking on Sultan but taking on Kabil. Inspite of Hritik being friendly with both. It is like backstabbing.
Backstabbing? LMAO. Reminds me of Ajay Devgn. He kept saying that Karan Johar’s ADHM kept releasing on his Diwali date with Shivaay and he annoucned it first. How conveninely he forgot that when Yashji’s JTHJ was announced for Diwali 2012 he came out of now-where with his Son of Sardaar.
Folks cry only when they lose. Simple as that. Everyone has choice to move out.. just coz you announce first does not mean you can’t move out(even when requested or not).
Rajen – Indicine are voicing your opinion. That trade maybe ‘under reporting’ Kaabil and producers are ‘over reporting’ it. So possibly truth is in between. Kudos for going with your gut! 54 CR is approx trade, 67 CR is producer. Either way it’s poor stuff from both sides if this is happening. X files comes to mind – ‘trust no one’ and ‘the truth is out there’
Everyone has an opinion. Even the Queen will too. No one produces centre collections now. So pointless to take any sides. Better to throw accusations IMO. More fun.
BOI as exposed as any party. Indicine etc. Just support producers as they use their numbers.
Have sex with or without a condom – still sex
Killed by stranglation or bullet – still dead
Score a hundred with singles or boundaries/sixes – still a hundred
Only difference is how not the outcome. A spade is a spade. Call it out once in a while.
I say this with looking at 3 years worth of centre collections comparing with BOI, I’m sure I messed up at times but I’m sure I figured out a fair bit too in the process. I’m not going to be squeaky clean or claim to be, I just offered another service with the means provided.
If one accepts 10% here or there, one is accepting mediocracy and settling for something second best. And standards can easily be lowered further to satisfy ones story.
I’m open that BOI could be ‘spot on’ but prove it. The basis is it’s the best of the worst. Probably how Nazi Germany felt when it elected Hitler!
It really is a time warp. Feels like 2006-7 and debating Guru producer totals vs BOI.
One of these days the exhibitors should put out their ‘real story’. Something verifiable. Of course I’m not defending the stupidity of Rakesh Roshan here but the other side is hardly a model of virtue. It always comes down to ‘who do you believe?’ when simple, verifiable numbers would make such a question irrelevant. In the absence of such verifiable information we can make our best educated guesses looking at everything that’s out there but that hardly means a set of completely reliable numbers. So yes Rakesh Roshan has becoming a laughing stock in this matter but sources like Taran or Komal or BOI or whoever should be as well for similar reasons. Or put differently even if some numbers might be more plausible than others in terms of being ‘verifiable’ (or not) they’re all on the same side. The whole ‘I got the number from the distributor or exhibitor when he came home for tea’ doesn’t fly with me.
Sumit Kadel, Rohit Jaiswal are all exhibitors…They have already put out the story…Sumit Kadels DP itself is sarcastically called ‘40%’ screens…Komal Nahta also is now quoting 57 crs for 5 days…
Dangal still taking giant strides towards 30m$ overseas mark.till yesterday at 29.83m$,US/Canada is at 12.31m$,Gulf is 8.67m$,absolute out of world trending in gulf beats sultan there,is at no.2 in all time list in gulf after BB.dangal did 0.14m$ in sat+sun in overseas,just 0.17m$ away from 30m$ now.
Rakesh Roshan is enjoying the success of Kaabil every hour
Kaabil is doing very well in theatres and has managed to keep the numbers coming in with good momentum despite just 40% screens at its disposal. While the Sanjay Gupta directed film has come close to the Rs. 70 crore mark already, it seemed obvious that a success party was in the offering from Roshans.
When questioned, this is what producer Rakesh Roshan said with a smile, “Well, we are actually celebrating every day and every hour right from the time the first promo was unveiled to this very point. We are doing very well with just 40% screens. We are a small film with a big heart and this is reflecting in the way audiences are responding to it as well. They have filled this heart with a lot of love.”
The Hrithik Roshan and Yami Gautam film was running to packed houses on Sunday and with theatres opening to good footfalls again today, a very good number is on the anvil.
As you seem to be revelling in the “gigantic success” of ” Art house” movie named Raees, which has Sunny Leone dance number to up the “art quotient” of the movie by few notches!! And never mind if it was ready to clash with Sultan, but its “arthouse theme” forced the makers to shift its release date to a very auspicious period of republic day!! If Raees is arthouse cinema, then Swades & Paheli must have been the flagbearers of arthouse movement in India since their release?? Don, Don 2, MNIK, Ra-1, JTHJ, HNY, Dil Wale et al have been just risky propositions all along to steer hindi film industry out of mediocrity & with Fan & Raees Shahrukh Khan has taken it to another level altogether which could make the parallel art cinema makers of 70 & 80 proud of these audacious choices, long live Shahrukh “art” Khan & his brand of artsy cinema.
Never mind the hypocrisy & duplicity of the fans as when it’s Shahrukh is doing, it becomes risky & bold, but if others are doing it, it’s just the routine stuff!! When Aamir was doing Ghulam, Sarfarosh, Earth, DCH, Lagaan, MP, RDB, TZP, Talaash, Dangal, they were all fully commercial movies full of masala!! But with Raees, suddenly “artsy” term gets introduced to this blog with emphasis on director’s pedigree as an artsy director, but Nitesh Tiwari’s history is never talked about ever as a children’s & small budget film director (on top of that he had directed 1 & 1/2 films as Chillar Party was co directed with Vikas Bahal of Queen fame. But for Raees zillion of excuses are already ready even before the end of its first extended weekend, God knows how long will it take Shahrukh to work in a “full commercial movie” as Imtiaz Ali is too niche & very arty director, so to expect a fully commercial movie from him is asking too much from him & as we know through SRK fans, he is going through an “artsy phase” to revive parallel cinema along with likes of Anurag, Zoya, Dibakar & last but most significantly Dholakia!! Long live the art movement of Shahrukh & his fans, my sincere wishes for the success in their noble endeavour 👍👍👍👍
Kaabil has probably done around 60 cr in 5 days extended week (taking average of BOI’s 54 cr and Roshan’s 67 cr). 12 cr or so per day average over a long weekend is a poor show. Not sure how some sites are quoting it as good.
90+ cr of Raees is 18 cr per day average, which is decent. Raees may reach 150-160 cr by the end of its run, which is marginally better than what each Akshay film did last year. SRK has really lost his halo and is in Akshay’s range these days (star power wise).
Dangal in the meantime is still adding to its total and crossed 385 cr in India and 200 cr overseas. Amazing!
And rightly said .. SRK won the perception game, but movie is not doing any great at box office individually .. that’s a different thing if 130 is now a hit bar for king.
Well said Yakuza….Public sab jaanti hai ..
Rakesh Roshan’s interview with Komal was so honest, he said that Yahan par toh who log ( SRK, Farhan and Ritesh), Haan- Haan kar key chaley gaye, lekin baad mein mukar gaye !!
saaley back stabbers !!
…and to backstab someone who gave you three movies, someone who you considered as your friend…uff! too low !! below the belt !!
Naa..it ain’t daring SRK, it’s called ghatiya kameenapan !!
yes but the other guys aren’t paragons of ethical behavior either. So Johar might have been very sincere with SRK, has he been the same with others? I think not. The same holds for others too. No one is an angel in this business. It’s then a question of power and what you can get away with. Here too a lot of this is dictated by market forces. the bigger star and/or the bigger film will just get the better screens for the most part. Just as bigger stars suddenly get the big release dates, hardly have competition and so on. Rakesh Roshan is pretending to be a nice guy who’s somehow getting cheated by others. This is a bit of a joke. he certainly is a nice guy but he hasn’t been above unethical behavior (consider how he’s been cooking the numbers) and much more than him his son (for all the Zen pretense) is assuredly not a model of ethical behavior. I know of many examples here.
Federer explicitly told the press today that he wants to continue for another couple of years, as he is still enjoying the game (barring any injury which may keep him out).
In the last 5 years, he had reached Slam finals 3 times (defeated by Novak in all 3). Apart from that, he had reached 5 Slam semi-finals in this period.
With the new found confidence and attacking gameplay, he may have an outside chance of winning another title in the next 2 years, before finally bowing out. Not sure if it can happen, but Wimbledon is his best chance.
After reading articles on Bolly Arena and Indicine. I will take the middle ground in terms of collections of Kaabil to be at 56 crores. Which is an okay result if you consider MJ for Hrithik. But yes SRK has won the Perception and the Trade Commentary game. Kaabil overall could have moved and done 100 crore with more aggressive promotion. Thats the difference between a Massy film and a Thriller type film. I saw Kaabil yesterday and overall the audience liked it but i would still say it missed somewhat of the elements that would have got it into the Ghajini league. I feel Kaabil will end up with 85-90 Cr total.
Yeah.. Komal came around. Even another exhibitor Raj Bhansal. He is friendly with Papa Roshan and yet he posted this below.
@tajbansal9
– Day5 Sunday India @iamsrk #Raees collects ₹17 Cr.
– Day5 Sunday India @iHrithik #Kaabil collects ₹13 Cr.
– Official collections by the producers for Day5 Sunday of #Kaabil with 40% Screens are ₹15.5 Cr. 🙂
Good. As I said always just comparing every release film with the biggest hit is becoming pointless debate all over. Even if you compare all top star movies as Super hero movies of Hollywood but every super hero movie you won’t end up comparing with Avatar or latest Star Wars movie. That’s the pinnacle of achievement and not every film is made to do that.
I agree that Dilwale is huge dissapoinment in regards to its collections and similarly Happy New Year could have done 30 crores more. That’s about it and before that CE did over expectations. Fan is clear flop and SRK’s team will be happy if Raees is fine to be tagged as ‘Hit’ after FAN.
All stars suffered whilst been compared to SRK and only he and sex sells. His fans loved it. I doubt many cried fowl play back then. All the overseas figures of dominance were regularly splattered. Always compared to Big B. Now the audacity not to take what one dished out regularly. Twice popped at SLB, latter gave him a lesson. Now after Roshan’s. Who are pretty low anyway. It’s a bit of a mid life superstar crisis.
As you said folks cry when they lose. In this case they even throw parties! I bet a lot SRK feels like throwing a party covers the inner pain, but Tubelight he can split the costs 10-90 of another party.
Came on the screen when the other two contemporaries were already stars. Took the alternate hero path to the top. And then all stars suffered whilst been compared to SRK and only he and sex sells.(This line is fine!). Bachchan fans hated when he was called his successor. The rein started waning after two decades. The other two who changed routes to reinvent, got back to have their revenge at about the same time. So are doing the smaller flies who got fried at the sidelines. At 25 years the tracks are changing again..watch out! This story may have a repeat!
Heros are not those who cry, they try, once more.. and tube lights are out of fashion now. LEDs are in. They burn brighter and for a longer time!
I’m happy either way as long as it is achieved with good films and none of this 149 CR means one thing and 150 CR means something else. A genuine hit doesn’t need to worry about trivial finishing lines.
You really seem to have your knife into him.
Don’t forget that when SRK was a star he was pretty young. The other two seem to have come into their own rather late in life at a mature stage.
Big difference between stardom and darling of fans in mid 20s and in mid 40s or even now early 50s.
According to Indiaglitz, producer Gnanavel Raja has confirmed that the film has raked in Rs 100 crore through its distribution and satellite rights. He also went on the record saying that Suriya is only next to superstar Rajinikanth when it comes to pre-release business.
It must be noted that Suriya’s films have done exceptionally well in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.
Directed by Hari, Singam 3 is Suriya’s fifth successful collaboration with the director. The film will see Suriya as a fierce police officer Duraisingam.
Also starring Anushka Shetty, Shruti Haasan and Thakur Anoop Singh, the film has music by Harris Jayaraj
No interest in Karan’s book for now. Karan’s will be full on gossip and recent stuff whereas Rishi Kapoor’s is one of the books to be owned by movie lovers of the era gone by especially knowing his frank nature. I own Dev Anand’s too and good read.
I have stopped buying books, DVDs/Blu ray. They always end up collecting dust. I was more curious after my interaction with Rocky, so went and checked.
I don’t even remember last book read apart from the course material ones. My attention span is just webpage.
Looks like BOI will give 4.5-5crrs to Kaabil today and 7crrs to Raees going by the reports of bolyarena, jaiswal etc. Combined business may barely crack 12crrs.
How come when I say something about clash, I am accused of being aamir’s fan? What is the connection? I did not criticise Raees and initially I felt happy that it has received good reviews and good numbers. But no more. Now I feel happy that it is struggling.
Sanjana – why don’t you for a change switch to a different star?
Aamir fans are in abundance in this forum and rarity outside. You be his fan outside as he needs many more and be someone neutral here. My two cents because you asked.
I wish Akshay to at least have some fans either online or outside as he scarcely has any in either of the avenues & his highest grosser is testimony to lack of this as going by your logic Aamir despite being fanless has been on a record breaking spree which i guess is entirely due to the sole contribution of members of this blog! But one thing I fear very much to just imagine the collections of Aamir’s movies after having fans when “fanless” Aamir is wrecking so much havoc! And look world’s biggest superstar is struggling to reach 200 Crore barrier & other one despite starring in content movies is lagging behind “the fanless Aamir”! Aamir with fans would cause people to commit suicide after looking at his records so I want to let Aamir remain where he is than the catastrophic ramifications in the aftermath of his fan following!
And the Muslim angle & some very uneasy stuff like fight in the meat market being made to attribute film’s underperformance as if “Muslims” constitute a very miniscule percentage of Indian population ( Muslims population is about 18 Crores & 14.5% of Indian total population). So even if we go by a very narrow estimate of only 5% Muslims watching Raees in theatres, it’d be at around 1 Crore and add 1 Crore non Muslims to it which would take the aggregate to almost around 2 Crores FF which, in the worst case scenario, should be collecting in the vicinity of 175 Crores & more! And here we are taking Master’s & Z’s assumption to be true but is audience in India do behave the way while deciding to watch the movie as suggested by them?? In current times India has large population of non-vegetarians which is not averse to watching kind of scenes Z is referring to as very queasy & uncomfortable, yet numbers are suggesting otherwise! As we have witnessed with Dangal that a specific region ( Delhi/East Punjab) outperforms if a movie is set in that region, so why can’t Gujarat do the same for Raees as Raees is set in Gujarat by contributing at the least as much as Delhi/East Punjab have to immense success of Dangal?? Piku is another example which did exceptionally well in West Bengal due to its backdrop & characters being Bengali. And it is after a very long time when movie starring one of the Khans is wearing its “Muslimness (religion)” on its sleeve, so if movie is true to at least in its religious coding, I find no reeson why it should not be a success among Muslims at the very least?? But all this bullshit is just to find alibis for movie’s underperformance as if someone put a gun on Shahrukh’s head to budget Raees at 90+ Crores & that too knowing Dholakia’s “artsy” credentials & subject being very niche! Shahrukh is reckoned to be “marketing wizard” in media so where has his common sense gone when he keeps on squandering such huge budgets on niche subjects such as Fan & Raees being the latest instances of his miscalculation! If he delivers a blockbuster, his fans tend to make him hog all the credit for its success, but for a failure they are ready with zillions of excuses ranging from sheer bad luck to clash to niche subject & even directors inefficiency but Shahrukh! If DDLJ, KKHH, DTPH, KA, Mohabbaten, K3G, KHNH, VZ, KANK, OSO, RNBDJ, MNIK, DON, DON 2, HNY, CE, Dil Wale have one thing common is that most of them have huge star cast & big directors besides Shahrukh in making these movies an extravagant affairs but for partisans one & only Shahrukh is responsible in making them what they are! This myopic & convenient media narrative has been the USP of Shahrukh the superstar all through these years but of late cracks have begun to appear in his image partly due to other two Khans superior box office performances & easy accessibility of collection data to those who are interested in it to ascertain the real standing of stars than the media made! I shudder to imagine what if Shahrukh were to be in position of either Aamir or Salman, the cacophony & ruckus for him would be “unfathomable” describing his success & adjectives would fall short to explain the “phenomenon” named Shahrukh! Wishing all the very best to Shahrukh & his tireless zealot fanatics that time will come when they do not have to resort to past to describe him!
Main thing is SRK looks best when he plays Raj or Rahul, goes to church instead of temple and likes someone’s wife instead of his own. Other names don’t suit him as much on screen.
@Naveen “Sanjana – why don’t you for a change switch to a different star? Aamir fans are in abundance in this forum and rarity outside. You be his fan outside as he needs many more and be someone neutral here. My two cents because you asked.”
🙂 🙂 Naveen this to me is the comment of this month ending day !
Myselfaamir got rattled and started to give you these robotic territories / figures/ numbers. Someone must explain to her / him now with time this 380 cr figs of Dangal with 2 years of filming, test screening with a team of trainers coming across very calculated, plotted with a synthetic & unnatural feel to it unlike say a 320 of Bajrangi which seems natural, free flowing mitti ki khushbu kind of real thing. Frankly it’s been a month and Dangal is so out of the system which is not the case with other Aamir movies say a RDB or DCH. BB on other hand seems fresh like a dew and every screening on TV is engaging and lovable no matter which point one picks.
In film analogy, you must have seen Rocky-4 there is Drago who is carefully fitted and trained where even his punching power are measured via computers, receives injections. Now compare that to free flowing Rocky Balboa of Bajrangi who lifts and throws heavy logs, chops down trees, pulls an overloaded snow sleigh , jogs through heavy snow under treacherous icy conditions, and climbs the largest icy mountain……….hearts on fire !
ya the world agrees with this livewire by giving Aamir 5 ATHG and ATBB in his last 6 films.i guess why didn’t all these things happened when sallu came back after almost 2 years with jai ho.i guess this long period should also have had helped jai ho.if aamir is breaking records after records with rarity of fans,i don’t know what wld happen the day he gets some fans.
You live in your own concocted “Salman bubble” with your own invented alternate reality suited to your whims & fancies, you have my sympathy & well wishes as it’s very hard to come out of this neurotic state wherein you just can’t “accept or admit” anyone trouncing your favourite & that too on a consistent basis! It must be so nerve-wracking for fan like you but you should prepare yourself to live with this harsh & grim reality as future might exacerbate your woes further!
Kaabil Has A Poor Monday
Tuesday 31 January 2016 11.15 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Kaabil (Hindi) had a poor Monday as it grossed 4 crore nett and took its six day total to 58 crore nett. The drop from Friday is 45% and better than the normal 50% but that is because collections on Friday itself were poor. Its the same story across the country with Punjab in the North doing just 35 lakhs nett, West Bengal in east doing just 25 lakhs nett and Gujarat in the West collecting only 40 lakhs nett. South India is even worse. The film had a chance on Monday as the collections of Raees also had a drop so this basically the acid test for the film but to be at around 4 crore nett on Monday does not give it a chance to have good final final or cut into the lead of Raees. The six day business of Kaabil (Hindi) is as follows.
The extended first week of nine days looks to be heading for around the 67-69 crore nett mark and even though there is no release in the second week its not really going to benefit much as the second week business will not be good. The film flattered on the big national holiday and on Saturday a little but eventually the reports and limited public appreciation was likely to tell on collections and that is what has happened on Monday. http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2676
Tuesday 31 January 2016 12.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raees had a drop in collections on Monday as it grossed 6 crore nett to take its total to 98.25 crore nett. The drop is 55% from Friday which is on the higher side and the film really needed to clock up a 7 crore nett plus Monday. It has won the clash with Kaabil as that film is unlikely to reach the five day weekend total of Raees but that is not really the objective for the film. The fact that the film was best in where Shahrukh Khan films outperform rather than where mass films do best was a problem over the five days and on Monday the better circuits came down also as these mass types don’t sustain there. The reports in the multiplexes especially North were not there and that told on Monday as the holds in single screens were much better. The weekend ensures its a safe film but that will be about it. The first six day business of Raees is as follows.
The extended first week of the film is set to be around 112-113 crore nett but the Monday drop makes it tough in the second week even though no major releases. The second week will also be close in terms of the clash with Kaabil but the lead is already too big for that film to making any big inroads into it.
Kaabil seems like a total flop. Raees is way better in terms of the total of course but is unlikely to get anywhere close to 150 unless it shows some strength in the second weekend. Even playing the budget game (Krish suggested 90 for Kaabil and 150 for Raees) doesn’t look like either film is going to reach that target though one or the other might come closer. As things are going I think a Dilwale/Bang Bang total is most likely for Raees whereas Kaabil won’t even get to ZNMD’s 90. Overall don’t think there’s any way to classify each film other than as a flop (if this trend lasts for each). I would say SRK has won this round and has the much more respectable total but this late in the day with Salman and Aamir being where they are I don’t think this was really his goal.
” SRK has won this round and has the much more respectable total but this late in the day with Salman and Aamir being where they are I don’t think this was really his goal ”
srk has comes to term that to beat sallu or amir is not clash with them but rather join them..tubelight is a classic example and promoting raees with salman is another clue..I think srk is been smart here,he is trying hard but to beat salman is one thing but to beat amir is impossible..
@ vijay: If Dutt is clashing and entertaining like other hirani movies I don’t think TZH can do 300crrs. Also Srk movie with Imtiaz for 300crrs? I doubt it can do even 200crrs let alone 300crr as Imtiaz’s movies are not that big at bo.
He does joke about his not so successful films. One might say thats his way of overcoming it. Even so its not a bad way. He accepts it is a good step forward and doesn’t give excuses.
He said his films haven’t been no. 1 or blockbusters for a long time when someone in the crowd said this for his film Raees which he had gone there to promote.
But I have heard praise for his work and looks in Raees from almost everyone. No one criticised it. So am not sure what is the reason for its not working.
I think too much gore, perhaps. Maybe it is about meat thing. As a vegetarian, chicken scene in Dangal did not go well with me. Forget that, even too much blood and violence as depicted in Anurag Kashyap’s films, in typical hollywood movies are a turn off for me.
Haven’t written at all in a long time..but some interesting commentary here…regarding folks staying away because of the ‘Muslim’ angle…
This doesn’t have to do with MUSLIM angle…this has to do with ‘rawness.’ What Muslim angle are we talking about? Let’s make SRK a Maratha [don’t mean to be condescending here but Raj Thackeray enjoys his whiskey everyday and his chicken kababs] who uses a goat and f!@ks around in a meat-market as an action sequence..I would be EQUALLY put off as a weak-hearted, non-meat eating person.
This DOESN’T have to do with Muslim angle: Muslim angle, and vegetarianism are MUTUALLY exclusive. There might be Muslims who might be offended with this. And there might be Hindus who could care less about this. I would turn my face away from this sort of mucky action sequence..not because one is a Hindu or a vegetarian Hindu, but because, psychologically, I am not used to this stuff!!
I am a ghaas-poos guy but DIDN’T hesitate to watch the North Korean resident Kayasth Brahman Kashyap’s GANGS OF WASSEYPUR! I closed my eyes when it came to butcher-shop chopping sequences but that’s me! Why the hell would anyone — I am talking of adults here; not kids — boycott or not watch a good piece of film-making just because of 10 minutes of extreme violence when the rest of the film is really thrilling?
I stay away from Korean films; I would love to but don’t have the guts to watch OLDBOY; I just cannot handle that kind of gory stuff. I watch CRIME PATROL sincerely but close my eyes and ears when it comes to stabbing; it DOESN’t have anything to do with religion.
So I don’t buy this MUSLIM angle stuff, though I do agree that if it is a very, very, dark film, yes, obviously kids and maybe some women-folk could stay away.
That way, when Amitabh played a Muslim in COOLIE, it would be a big flop! Oh wait, Modi was still serving tea at that time, it was still ‘secularism’ ruling the roost, Amitabh was out of Breach Candy, and of course, people were ‘wiser’!!
Brahmins in West Bengal eat Hilsa fish as their daily diet, and Konkanastha Brahmins in Mangalore enjoy their breakfast by chopping fish..go figure..
I am of course, boycotting RAEES since I don’t want even a single cent to go to SRK and his family: After all, I have a reputation to live upto, that of an intolerant, internet Hindu!!!!
Ahh! that chemistry, physical or meta-physical, is one for the centuries!!! Of course, the ploy was in making both of them extremely good-looking physically… but, boy, what a chemistry!!
Jay I didn’t find it gruesome per se; but some characters were of-course off-putting: However, the fascinating part for me was the held-back physical but extremely pressed mental relations between the 2 characters. That to me has always been the series’ strength. I have NEVER seen such kind of ‘separated’ but yet ‘united’ chemistry between 2 extremely physically beautiful bet mentally unlike folks…Everything else, took a back-seat for me..
The relationship aspects were sublime. One had to wait a hefty 6-7 series for a romantic angle to happen. I love the polarizes relationship but still working together. It’s TV gold for me. I recently revisited it all again this time with my wife. She loved it.
Haven’t seen the film. But what’s this about a goat in the meat market and people actually feeling offended when there is such extreme violence on screen and in real life involving people?
If it came from animal lovers like I know who think animals are better than people then I’d understand, but……..
The second half is supposed to be more grim and violent. This is the kind of thing that often doesn’t work with a larger audience. However it doesn’t work whether the characters are Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists and irrespective of their choice of meat or vegetable! Now one sequence or another might not be for the squeamish but this sort of thing doesn’t bring a whole film down if people otherwise love everything about it. But if it’s part of the overall tone of the film at that point it’s a different matter. In any case this is the subject SRK chose.
Oldgol, when I made this comment, my thought was strictly around if you’re a vegetarian (not animal lover, there’s a difference) like many hindus are, you probably don’t like seeing meat getting chopped, fight sequence with chopped off head goat, etc…
I also provide my household example that we being muslim if a pig comes on TV, we switch the channel.
This is not about somebody being offended or it was too violent but more about one not wanting to watch something based on their religious belief, this was my point. Not just meat market fight sequence but there were few other things which I thought was problematic or raises a question.
not sure what point satyam is trying to make but not everything can be agenda driven.
Once again, there’s a difference between the type of muslimness shown in Raees. somebody above made a dumb comment that coolie should have flopped since Amitabh was muslim. Go watch coolie and raees to see the difference.
By the way, the meat market fight sequence is probably the best fight sequence in recent Bollywood history.
With all due respect and with reference to the pig thing you’ve brought up it depresses me. This has nothing to do with Raees. It’s a symptom of the times we live. Hindus, Muslims, everyone. From cow obsessions to pig obsessions. This also has nothing to do with ‘belief’ because not everything can or should be justified in the name of ‘belief’. To be clear I’m not disputing anyone’s right to believe in anything or hold certain things sacred or whatever. My argument is never against religious belief. It is about the employment of religious belief to justify just anything. Don’t take this the wrong way. Not insulting you or your family. This is the sort of debate I have with friends and family, Hindus and Muslims alike. In each case I always say I’m not against any sort of religious belief. But to not watch a pig on TV is I think taking things too far. But this also connects to the Raees point you’re making. it’s because we’ve become so claustrophobic in matters of belief, so uncompromising that we live in the environment we do, and globally. Sticking to India though this is how anything and everything is justified and questioning any such belief invites this indignant reaction – don’t question my personal beliefs, you have no right. Meanwhile we keep ghettoizing ourselves. Think of it this way (by the way since you yourself brought up this anecdote on a public forum you’ve opened it up for discussion) — if you can’t even watch a pig on TV (there’s no religious stricture for this sort of thing, nothing even remotely close.. not being allowed to consume pigs is a bit different from not even wishing to look at them) consider how ‘reasonable’ suddenly all those Hindutva extremists seem. They can’t bear to see anyone consume not just beef but any meat belonging to the larger bovine family. Yes it’s about the political uses of these things. In a lot of cases the outrage is invented and fed to people who willingly comply. But it’s part and parcel of the anecdote you’re mentioning. Again not questioning your beliefs here but at the same time debates on things cannot stop with terms like ‘family’ and ‘country’ or what have you. I’ve made this point in several contexts. I don’t find many beliefs ok just because my family practices them. They of course have a right to believe whatever they want but not every belief is ethically justifiable in the same way and not every belief can even be justified using the umbrella of whatever religion one follows. If one does not accept this then one is also granting whatever belief the violent extremist has. Now of course one could argue that ‘we are not killing others because of our beliefs whereas the violent extremist is’. that’s true but notice how the logic relied on is a similar one in each case. as long as it’s a belief that receives its completely justification in one’s personal practice or as a wholly private matter and as long as such a belief needs no greater ethical justification the door is automatically opened for others who in the same ‘private’ sense might believe that killing others is ok to advance their beliefs. In each case the belief will have been non-debatable. I won’t extend this whole discussion here except to say that in the context of Raees whether it’s your pig anecdote or people being offended by the sequences in the film (I’ll go along with your claim for the moment though I still completely reject the idea that the film is making whatever it is because of this reason and otherwise could have made a lot more) this is the kind of ghettoized reality we’re all part of. Raees as a film is a symptom of this much as most films these days are (i.e. those that represent such characters). This is precisely what Desai didn’t do. In AAA yes there are minority stereotypes and there is here too a certain ghettoization on display but what moderates it greatly is the film’s own stance. Desai loves the minorities more than his majorities or in his sequence majority belief is just another fetishized set of practices. The ‘proof’ of this is Suhaag. Here you see his one film that is more or less about ‘Hindus’ and also deals with Hindu religiosity at certain levels and it’s his darkest film. It’s not a happy film like AAA or Naseeb, the two films that sandwich it. Parvarish too is somewhat darker. As for Coolie notice how he extends Deewar in certain ways. The very fact that you think Raees is harder for audiences to swallow than Coolie reveals the difference in the age we live in compared to that earlier one. So let’s try this thought experiment. In Deewar you have a guy who has a quarrel with god, refuses to enter the temple but then is quite happy to accept the talismanic qualities of the ‘786’ once this is explained to him. But it goes beyond personal belief. The ‘786’ actually keeps protecting him throughout the film and it is only when he loses it that he dies. This is the film’s objective reality. Can you imagine someone trying that today? Or Coolie. Here you have the Deewar coolie actually becoming a full-blown Muslim. Consider the climactic sequence. The god of Indian cinema writing with his blood the ultimate ‘confession’ of Muslim faith. The potency of these moments is impossible to overstate. Again think about how this would play today in terms of inviting protests and what not. A lot of these films have become classics and so we don’t realize how radical their subtexts are. Even in Coolie though the ghettoization seems darker when it’s not about Bachchan. He transcends many of these things and I won’t get into that discussion here. But my larger point is that Desai always tried to create a more universal cinema using his privileged Nehruvian paradigm. Today we have the ghettoization as an end in itself. Whether Raees or its box office were impacted to any great degree by those moments or not what is more significant is that you think this might be the case. And this is symptomatic of the times. Again I’m not trying to insult you or question your beliefs or anything. At the same time I can’t say that when I make an argument in good faith I am particularly bothered whether anyone is offended/insulted or not. Be they Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, nationalists of various stripes, ethnic chauvinists or whatever. The world would be a little better if we managed to be a little more relaxed about these things and in general have a better sense of humor in matters of faith. I respect all forms of belief in the sense that I don’t privilege one over the other in any sense whatsoever. My problems begin where I start seeing the human toll of some of these beliefs. Not just people killing others but also creating a discourse that relies more and more on exclusivity. I don’t just reject these things because I might have a different view, I reject these in the name of precisely those belief systems. To use a shorthand ‘Hinduism’ (let’s indulge in this British term for a moment.. too late to change it anyway) must be defended from Hindutva, Islam must be defended from all these Islamisms, so on and so forth. Ultimately AAA must be defended from Raees! They are completely different ‘animals’!
I don’t know if Z was referring to Pig solely on the basis of religious belief and may be tying this up to a gut wrenching gruesome sight. Raw meat or dripping blood can easily induce vomit in matter of minutes among many. Of course foreign shores are a different thing altogether but looking at the state of pigs in India and how they are seen only close to excrement and dropping not to forget pigs fascination with filthy naala & galee I wouldn’t be surprised if that sight alone can turn many to pure vegetarian. These things are all subjective and much to do with their own upbringing and environment.
No he was saying it explicitly in a religious context. As for the rest that actually makes my point. There are lots of gruesome scenes involving humans (killings, torture, bodies etc) that many people cannot stomach. Maybe a lot of people have this issue with Raees. But that’s not a ‘Muslim’ issue. I’m sure there are some vegetarians turned off by these scenes but it’s easier to accept the much simpler claim here — there isn’t a big market for RGV’s films (the dark, violent ones). Even on his best day this market was limited. the same for any director who does something similar. Forget the violence, the market for dark films is limited to begin with. Any number of examples could be given. So even when they do well they do so at a limited level. When all of this is staring one in the face there’s no reason to introduce the Muslim angle. It’s not as if the films of RGV or Vishal Bhardwaj or films like DMD or Talaash or Khakee or whatever.. are otherwise big hits. With or without violence. Now if those kinds of films were very successful I could consider this angle but they aren’t. In a similar sense if SRK had a better track record for the last dozen years I would also consider this. But he doesn’t. Most of his films behave exactly like Raees irrespective of competition or release date or genre. So again there’s no reason to reject the most obvious explanation and go in for the less likely one. This idea that Raees in the first half is a perfect film on its way to 225 crores or whatever is itself a myth though one that is invoked each time a SRK film releases. I’m sure Raees is otherwise fine as a film but the idea that it’s super in the first half is frankly something I’m quite skeptical about. For more than one reason.
anyway I’m saying this as a more general matter and for the benefit of others reading. Not that you’re ‘mr reasonable’ when it comes to most of these debates!
@”anyway I’m saying this as a more general matter and for the benefit of others reading. Not that you’re ‘mr reasonable’ when it comes to most of these debates!”
You are touching a raw nerve mister ! For all u know that might be the only voice of reason out here. A couple of days back I had pasted lyrics of Pink Floyd classic on turning this blog in some sort of rigid schooling and thought control of the members.
On Raees and Kaabil, after having watched the movies I never thought Raees would go past 120cr & Kaabil past 90 cr. In hindsight, SRK played his card well going in for a clash here because the initial 5-day weekend will constitute a bulk of the earnings for both. If I remember correctly , while filming Dilwale, srk got very excited when someone asked him about this movie and how the subject matter was up his alley and he is going to make this character memorable. Even then this was supposed to be a small in between movie among his upcoming biggies.
I will agree with you that box-office reach of these gangster movies is very limited and I was a bit surprised when they announced an Eid release for this one. Even a classic like Company & Satya were hardly box-office earners due to limited reach of these movies with no support from friends and family. Somewhere they added dances & marriage and out of place romance with a Pak actress for overseas earnings to compensate for the shortfalls just in case.
This is the reason I talk about srk state of mind and zoning when he is doing a movie. A clear mind would cut frills and have a very clean cut story based movie like say a Black Friday and it will still work and get his applauds in this age of social media and TV channels which can then catch up because audience is always yearning for a good story. Salman cannot do a Raees and his zoning requires all the jazz attached to him at the moment and that is why he reworked on Kashyap’s Dabangg to make it work for him.
Btw Bharadwaj Rangan in his Raees thread talks about why an Aamir cannot do a Bajrangi Bhaijaan….something you were not agreeing with me. There is a nice exchange on how a srk , aamir and salman cannot interchange their roles very easily… something about intelligence, class / mass and audience perceptions.
“For all u know that might be the only voice of reason out here.”
Yup.. just like you have been on all the Salman gross predictions…
by the way your support of SRK’s 120 much more than Aamir’s 380 is all very touching but I hope you won’t get SRK when Tubelight releases. We’ll have to give him at least a 100 on the gross..
Don’t know why you are being dumb by not taking my name – I was the one who compared this to COOLIE.
You can’t just pull that one sentence and take it out of context. When I took the example, I only meant the entire ‘milieu’ of the film – not specific scenes per se.
I am in fact agreeing with you that if the film is very dark in its content and tone, of course folks might not be very thrilled to watch it. It doesn’t have to be a ‘Muslim’ gangster for the majority of the public to stay away from this.
I haven’t watched it and obviously can’t comment more on it. I was only talking about the ‘Muslimness’ you keep raising.
Anyway, Satyam and others have commented more and better than me. So no point in extending.
FYI, I have watched COOLIE.
1. SRK’s movies never interest me unless they are really helmed by folks like Mani or Amin.
2. SRK might play Shivaji in a movie who takes on the Mughals but I would still not watch it because of issues I have with SRK. That’s just my personal decision.
I think Indicine had predicted last week that Raees’ final will be around 140cr. It does seem that it will end around the 135-140cr range.
It is not a bad result for SRK. It is going to be a hit and it has beaten Kaabil comfortably. He has probably showed he can still deliver a very good openings and kill off decent opposition.
However, the gap between him and the top 2 remains huge.
And Raees’ performance seems more in the range of Akshay Kumar starrers. The difference is that the latter delivers 3 or 4 of them every year, holidays or no holidays, competition or no competition and for half of the budget. Raees took over 2 years in the making and the result does look underwhelming.
HR probably needs to re-invent himself. He has nothing coming up in the near future. I don’t think he has signed anything recently. The earlier he comes up with another movie to get over recent set-bakcs, the better.
Producer figure for both Raees and Kaabil is 6 cr on dreaded Monday (Kaabil figures are obviously inflated).
But the point is, that both movies have tanked on Monday (if Friday figures were not sufficient indicators). With this kind of trending, both films will turn out to be flops or below average fares.
“Since childhood, I have the habit of sleeping on time and waking up early and this is how it has been. Sometimes it so happens that my fellow actors are coming back from a party when I am going to the gym in the morning and we wave at each other,” said Akshay when probed.
While, Akshay’s career has seen super hit films such as Hera Pheri, Khiladi series, Bhool Bhulaiya, Airlift and Rustom, there was a time when he experienced 16 flop films.
Raees has dropped on Monday by around 55%. The film has grossed around 6.20 crore which has taken its total close to 100 crore.
Such kind of drop was expected on Monday due to the higher extended weekend. However it should have held better. Raees was doing its business mainly in Mumbai circuit which tends to drop more on weekdays. Instead it is traditional North Indian markets which hold better after the weekend. But Raees was average there in the weekend so it was expected.
On Monday, Raees has dropped badly in North India as the occupancy has fallen to very low levels. The same trend continues on Tuesday also with even higher drops. It is unlikely to collect much in the second week in the region.
Why is BOI not giving update abt dangal FF.I think it cld cross border FF of 3.70 cr.if it wld have been a sallu film,it wld have updated FF twice a week.
Oldgold:”But I have heard praise for his work and looks in Raees from almost everyone. No one criticised it. So am not sure what is the reason for its not working.”
As I said in my review(I write it before reading any spoilers or reviews and usually 1st show) that the 2nd half is very serious tone and its not a true commercial movie as shown from trailer. The movie itself is well made but the tone doesn’t warrant repeat value and is too heavy to watch. Besides raw gruesome violence will keep away women and family audience. All my friends with kids here didn’t go for the reason they can’t take kids and everyone has to drop. Only few guys go out leaving families/kids.
As I said I would have been truly disappointed without watching the movie but once I watched the movie and liked it to an extent I have no issues with the business as I saw it all coming. It is very difficult for such a movie to be big grosser irrespective of any star in it. I think folks who have not seen also can figure out that it has lot better WOM than say a HNY or Dilwale and yet it won’t do huge business as its not that kind of movie.
I don’t have an issue with the first part of your claim, that it has raw or gruesome violence. But my problem still is that such benefit of doubt isn’t given to other actors when they do similar films. So one can’t change the rules for some actors. Finally notice the contradiction in your position on WOM. You’re saying it has very good WOM but nonetheless it won’t do well enough because many people won’t like the second half. Well if they don’t then WOM isn’t that good! Better quality films still don’t have great WOM in many cases. It would be one thing if the film started at 10 crores and then went on to a 100. There I’d say that there was a certain market for it which is proved by the trending but that it isn’t a film for everyone. But when a film opens much bigger than this and drops so much on Mon and doesn’t grow very much on Sun (BOI’s claim by the way) then it clearly hasn’t been liked enough. Now it could be that most of the people who showed up expected a much lighter film than it is. But that still means WOM is not great. You can’t have it every which way. People don’t say ‘this is a great film but it’s so heavy and dark I’ll tell everyone to stay away from it’! Once again my argument isn’t with Raees. SRK fans though are another matter altogether (even if these days many other star fans also behave in the same way).
No contradiction. Read my posts.. I say folks (women, kids) are not even going to watch it after reading about the violence doesn’t matter even if the movie is good. Also I said, 2nd half is heavy for repeat watch even for people who liked it.
So, you expect me to come here and support movies like Shivaay to prove that am unbiased in your eyes? LMAO!! Hilarious!
Krish said on day 1 or 2 and despite the much better numbers for Raees that WOM wasn’t very good here. Now I understand neither you nor he were running scientific samples but I think he’s been more correct than you on this. Now you were saying after watching the film that it would do 150-160 but that without competition it would have been 225. Given the two films are combining for 10-12 crores on Mon you of course cannot stick to the competition argument. So now it’s all about the content. Now you say you saw exactly this gross coming. there’s no fall on Mon, no problems whatsoever. Just that every single male has seen it in the first three days and chaps with families aren’t showing up anyway. I have some advice here. Perhaps SRK should seek Aamir’s help and ask him to persuade some of his Ghajini family crowd to show up here. Just a suggestion. On the rest I have simple proposition combining all the points you and others have made here. If SRK acts in a family (hey but which family? Maybe if he plays a Gujarati or a Marathi, North Indians won’t come and vice versa… ) film, and plays a vegetarian in it, if he releases it without competition and doesn’t have this for another 4 weeks he’ll maybe do 300. Or else he can be modest like Johar and refuse to have grossers greater than 100 crores. Those films will be certified hits the moment they cross 70 or 80. So don’t worry there’s still a path forward here. let’s have a truce on this.
I must actually apologize to everyone for even many of my comments on this subject. It’s become totally stale at this point.
Ofcourse my points and expectations were before the Monday collections. The Monday’s drop has been more than expectation and that seals the deal and might not touch 150 crore. I was responding to OldGold’s comment that people are not really disliking it as much. Same here, Not many of them I know hated the movie but are not saying its great either. Its not a recommendable movie. Either ways.. if the movie ends lower then it is what it is. I don’t think anyone will find ways to support it. No one did for Fan for 85 crores but you found folks supporting Shivaay with 85 crores having huge support for no reason.
I don’t recall ever supporting Shivaay.. I questioned ADHM more because some like yourself were also supporting it more. Both results were completely subpar. Shivaay probably lost a lot more money. On fan that was a poor result too much as even DZ recently was a relatively poor result. Why? Because you can’t open much bigger than Piku or Pink or whatever and then get to the same number. Pink too didn’t trend like Piku but DZ didn’t even trend like Pink. Fan was a much more commercial deal anyway. SRK still has an initial going so many of these numbers look more respectable than they actually are. Because every film of his one way or the other seems to start tanking after the weekend. You can’t just look at 85 crores or whatever in isolation. Getting back to Shivaay given everything I’m not sure that ADHM’s 100 or so is a much better result than Shivaay’s 85. That doesn’t mean I’m supporting Shivaay. Much as DZ is still a better result than Fan.
On the rest there are many movies people don’t hate but don’t like either. I can point out many examples. But clearly WOM one way or the other isn’t good enough. Put differently ‘ok’ might be good enough to drag people to the theaters for Salman but not for SRK. I think Dilwale too recently showed this. Everything you’re saying about WOM here applies to many other films as well.
for the record neither the Kaabil nor the Raees box office result is particularly surprising to me. With the former I always expected a flop. With the latter the first theatrical trailer was promising. Then again SRK’s films for many years now have mostly been worse than the trailers. And it shows in the box office response.
Ghajini is a love story basically..and any amount of violence for a revenge of a loved one can be excused.
In Raees, honestly i didn’t expect some of the scenes that were in it, especially one where they were stopping a daru bandi procession and creating a riot situation, and a mainstream hero doing it! And this violence was not for something good, but for an illegal thing like liquor in a dry state. Then it goes on to showing some1 who was accused of assisting terrorism was actually innocent in that matter. For somebody like SRK, who is targeted in the recent times for his religious identity it was definitely a gamble to do this. Then of course, it was his choice, maybe he wanted to take up that challenge or maybe purely that he signed it before the climate changed.
These bollyarena, indicine etc. Are big jokes . Trade sites have mushroomed over the past few years due to huge yearning of people for boxoffice figures.
Funnier is the fact that people vanish when their favourite’s bete noire began smashing records right, left & centre, much to their chagrin & reappear from nowhere just around the corner of their favourite’s release time & start throwing excuses for its underperformance as they are prepared with their excuses in advance! But one thing I must laud Shahrukh fans for is their undying optimism of his resurrection despite repeated failures one after the other & that I mean in the real sense not tongue in cheeck.
There can be no justification for below par performance of Raees. Violence, a serious second are absurd excuses. I have seen the film didn’t find these aspects deterrent, the second half is sluggish and that pulls the whole movie down. A 6 crore Monday film doesn’t have favourable WOM , and a large number of audiences haven’t liked the film. If these excuses can justify then under performance then one can explain poor performance of any movie. Its a clear fact and those who have seen it very well know that it was a cent percent commercial where these so called commercial aspects were exaggerated to make it more appealing to the masses. The film was made to mint loads of money, it wasnt an art venture and if it has failed to do that it means the purpose of the makers have been defeated.
The underperformance has been a bit shadowed by poor performance of Kaabil, but that not something which will relieve SRK, people may blame Kaabil for its underperformance but the way it has dropped result would have been near same with a solo release.
Comparisons are inevitable , people may say that SRK, AAMIR and Salman,but the clear fact is that SRK hasn’t given a single big hit except CE in the last 8 years, and both Aamir and Salman have taken big strides during the same period, the underperformance of SRK get more accentuated by consistent big hits of other 2 khans
Like I said when the movies released, SRK’s ranking would not improve with Raees. He is pretty much stuck at a very distant 3rd position. Hrithik was 4th but after another poor performance, Akshay has moved up. I am not sure what Hrithik wants to do next. He has really taken a beating with his last two films and I don’t see how his next one is not a Krrish movie. As for SRK, he wouldn’t improve that ranking with Imtiaz Ali’s next. He needs an event movie with some holidays thrown in so the Christmas 2018 movie with Anand Rai might be the one. He seems a bit annoyed when asked about Dangal and Sultan’s 300 CR numbers but he also should understand that those questions will continue to come up unless he has that giant no doubt hit under his belt because as of now, the 3 khan kingdom is now down to 2.
maybe srk needs yashraj banner quick and fast,I mean yash chopra was his savior and he is gone,aditya not keen on him and neither kjo,who is left maybe another go with rohit shetty,one thing is for sure the dominance once srk had is truely gone,overseas still worships him but dometic he is ” distant 3rd ”
film initial he still is king but content wise he is a gooner…
Chopra just made Befikre. Sometimes change in sensibilities make the directors older. For example Yash Chopra survived for long time. Subhash Ghai once was biggest film maker; where is he now?
Ha … will buy Kjo over this !!
I did buy the Tom Friedman’s book- Thank you for being late ..could not finish it as got busy . It’s a good topic and a good/ easy read though !!
Kaabil producers have reported 10+ cr for wednesday(first day) and 6+ cr for monday. How is that possible? weekday tickets are slashed to 40%, that means according to producers the occupancy is same for wednesday and monday. This guy Rakesh Roshan is not even smart in cheating. We need a centralized box office reporting system.
It seems to me the neutral audience has abandoned SRK and are unwilling to come to see his film unless the reports are outstanding. The general refrain seems to be’TV pe baad mein dekh lenge.’ I think this disillusionment with his films has been happening gradually. Otherwise, what can be the reason his films do not pick after a great initial, while Salman posts such massive numbers with worse films? Aamir made a disastrous film like Dhoom 3 run. SRK has been trying everything to make his presence felt at the BO. HNY and Dilwale were clearly targeted for BO results. He did the more niche stuff in DZ and Fan. Raees is somewhere in between. But the film is still very much in the commercial format, and should have performed well. If you consider, even Dangal has a realistic template and is not explicitly massy at all – as no Aamir movie really is.
I think it then goes down to star power and content. On content, I feel people have not been able to connect with Raees -the character. He’s just not compelling enough in any way. Many actors have played gangsters before but their characters are consistent and well-rounded. Think Pankaj Kapur in Maqbool and Bajpai in Satya. Or Aamir in Earth. They are enigmatic, they do outright evil things, but their bad deeds are offset by an endearing weakness for someone, inspite of the power at their disposal. One was expecting to get that emotion tapped in Raees, but as I said in the review, one just doesn’t a grip on this lead character. The best of films are imperfect and falter esp in the second half, but if a character grows on the audience, and they find something compelling about the person, the film is almost always a hit.
Simply put, I don’t think anyone really remembers Aamir’s Earth performance. This is the new internet thing.. in real life.. no one even remembers that movie or have seen it.
Bit over the top. It’s probably the other way round. I.e. Earth only has recall value because of Aamir’s presence. “Ice candy” performance term was coined and I’m sure some purists would regard it highly as one of his best acting performances & quite chilling.
And yes it’s a true artsy type film, so usually not many takers. Bit like Hey Ram.
LMAO. They didn’t coined that term. The character is named as ‘Ice Candy Man’ in the novel. He’s known by that name. They didn’t create that new term for just the performance.
It is very simple. You and I are not the regular audience. We are movie fanatics. For one, I can list our films of Dev Anand, Raj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar on my finger tips but that does not mean that every remember all those movies. Similarly.. to say audience loved Aamir’s performance is assumption statement when the movie is huge disaster( I saw the movie 1st day and it had 8 folks in the hall) and there has never any mention of it even now except Aamir’s performance in elite circles. Regular going movie public won’t even remember that movie or performance. How is that going to be a yardstick for a character where audience really cared?
If you still don’t get my point, you can ignore. No one is questioning Aamir’s performance here but that is for critical acclaim, its not the one where audience loved and rooted and understood him. Its not the case, simple as that.
Unlike Salman and Aamir, I think SRK ‘s looks have deteriorated rapidly. Also, the genre he was strongest is – romance – is not as much in demand, at least not in the same template of a DDLJ and KJO films. Even Johar has been forced to ‘evolve.’ SRK is new to this game which Aamir has perfected since many years. Salman Khan’s success is the mystery here.
Salman always had single screen audience. I think with Dabangg multiplex audience also started liking him; and since then he has been on roll. His movies always have good audience friendly songs aligned with his persona. I think with Bajrangi and Sultan, he kind of moved away from Ready and Bodyguard kind of movies and will help in retain the audience trust for longer time.
also if u closely observe – both Sallu/Aamir stay away from extreme crime scenes like rape and gory violence(ok here sallu indulges) – so the movies are more family-friendly….Aamir goes one step further and announces that the film is not meant for children or is for a niche audience (aka Delhi Belly or Dhobi Ghaat)
In addition Salman’s single best move to increase audience base and change people’s perception of him has been hosting TV shows. Both Dus Ka Dum & now hosting continuous 7th season of Bigg Boss has increased the likability factor many folds. His sparkling character is visible on a one on one basis without media interference/bent. He started to connect with family audience due to clean harmless repartee, spontaneous jokes, impulsive one-liners and his style statement has added to his value. His dressing style on the show is impeccable there and people imitate everything that Salman Khan does. All his hard work and respect for audience is right there for everyone to see – totally unfiltered.
And Salman has made peace with the ruling party. All his court cases got thrown out..even the one for manslaughter.. while the ‘anti national’ campaign against SRK is still going on!
The problem with SRK is If i take example of my office.
SRK – Most of the people Hate (not dislike) him. There is none who likes him. Not even Females.
Salman – Most of the people like him. There are few people who dislike him. He is truely Muqadar ka Siqandar.
Aamir – There are few fanatic fan of him but most people respects him. That is why neutral fans go to his movies.
PS – I work with a news channal so it is not a survey from which we could guess common peoples prefrences but still this is reality.
I don’t agree with your SRK characterization at all.. not being as attracted to a star as one might have been once is different from ‘hating’ him. If everyone ‘hated’ him many of his initials are a mystery.
People who hate SRK has been there from long ago, but there used to be those who love him too, in any group. If all of them are on the opposite side, wud like to know why.
Hate is such a strong word and I doubt people reserve such a strong emotion for a movie star. It’s more like change in tastes / preference or better choices available….. However politics surrounding a movie star has now become important to get ‘universal’ acceptance or just make the product first rate….something not to be missed.
May be it’s the business like way of looking at things or sudden jump in wealth or simply a case of midlife crisis where depression, remorse, anxiety has taken over but, I am not convinced with srk state of mind and his choice of films or more importantly ‘the way he does them’ after signing them. We don’t even know if he wants to be in the game the way Akshay, Aamir or Salman are……may be he has lost the drive or just plain superiority complex of having ‘been there and done that’. If one goes by his attitude and famous quotes he had literally put aamir out of circulation in 90s with a famous quote while entering hindi movies – “I’ll destroy Aamir Khan. I’ll take over Aamir. Main jab filmon mein aoonga na, baja doonga sabki”! (Courtesy biography ‘Shah Rukh Can’).
Last but not the least and something which he accepts in all interviews these days that he just got lucky and never deserved all what he achieved and wishes to enjoy whatever he’s been blessed with…. but knowing his aspirational nature it’s hard to accept that esp when he is watching akshay, salman, aamir and even ajay putting in so much heart and getting where they are.
I would still go with – mid-life crisis forcing his psychological upheavals.
I think that is true Yakuza. You hardly hear of Vikas Behl, Motwane and all the kashyap gang now. With studio support all of them had a great opportunity to shoot down the star system of bollywood but the content was so weak and they took the audience for granted by ignoring Indianess in movies and jumping directly to foreign hackneyed plots abd become Woody Allens of India.
I think Shoojit Sarkar with Pink & Piku has showed a way forward so lets see how it goes…..
He’s not some small time distributor but very old and 3rd generation distributor and Multiplex owner. He talks to all stars often. He’s good relations with Roshans and he also turned his back on Kaabil’s collections.
Thx Raj I believe your judgement, fingers crossed.
Vijay,if u remember our overseas debate of raees,i guess i m revising my prediction from 25 to 17-18 m$ now for raees.it is now falling flat in overseas.it has done only 9.5m$ in 7 days.
I read somewhere that SRK pissed off Bhansali with Dilwale but you’ll be surprised to see SRK in Bhansali’s next after Padmavati. Personally I don’t know if its worth to star in Bhansali movies(not a huge fan) but there is 90% of possibility of SRK-Bhansali working together in 2018.
Another reason for the not-so-great collections of both the movies. This has been mentioned a lot in magazines but I didn’t see this on this thread. Ticket rates – In Bombay, for a blockbuster movie – on a “holiday weekend”, ticket rates are 400-600 in areas like South Bombay and Versova. And about 250-350 in other suburbs in national player multiplexes. If a a family of four goes for a movie – with tickets, concessions, parking and travel it is easily an expense of anywhere between 1500-2500 depending on where you see the movie. Now why would anyone want to watch a movie carrying “average” or “ok” reports at those rates? I saw Raees at PVR Andheri on Tuesday after the rates had dropped + Tuesday being Savers Day – even cheaper tickets (110 bucks) and it was completely packed. In fact both the movies were packed in all shows post 630 pm.
But again with normal weekday rates of 180-250, I don’t think they will hold. Add to that – piracy, 1 in 3 people are watching these movies on their mobile phones on the Metro, train etc. No one feels like spending so much on average movies.
People are happy to spend big money once in a while for supposed big movies but once the word of mouth is out, the collections will definitely fall. If the reports are good – like Dangal, people are happy to spend.
Would also like to add that while Raees had a much bigger star and it did give the perception of an “event” film, Kaabil gave the perception of a medium kind of movie. Hence opened lesser to but is carrying marginally better reports so probably holding at lower numbers.
Kaabil has roughly 70 cr in 7 days (taking average of BOI and producer totals), which is quite poor. It is unlikely to touch 100 cr, but it is also not a washout like Mohenjodaro.
Raees on the other hand has 105 cr in 7 days, and has tanked in the week days. This may not even touch 150 cr by the end of its run.
Both movies are like below average fares and will end their run in 2 weeks. After that Jolly LLB 2 will take over. The second long trailer looks good and hopefully this will also do 100 cr like Airlift, Housefull 2 and Rustom last year.
Raees First Tuesday Business
Wednesday 01 February 2017 11.00 IST
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Raees was low on Tuesday with collections around 5.25 crore nett which takes it first week (seven days) total to 103.50 crore nett. The first week total is good at 103.50 crore nett but the problem is it is not sustaining too well. The extended nine day week will be around 112 crore nett but the second week collections will not be good. Its another Shahrukh Khan film pulling through on star pull with the film itself not being able to hold. Dilwale had a similar fate and although that film could not find appreciattion anywhere this has been liked in some muslim areas but Dilwale had the Christmas period so final business will probably come out to be very similar. The daily first seven day business of Raees is as follows.
Kaabil First Tuesday Business
Wednesday 01 February 2017 11.30 IST
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Kaabil (Hindi) continued with low business on Tuesday with a 10% drop from Monday but that is irrelevant at such low levels. The film has grossed a little 61.50 crore nett in its first week (7 days) and will head to around 68 crore nett in its extended nine day first week. The performance of the film is very similar to Shivaay which was involved in the Diwali clash with Ae Dil Hai Mushkil. Shivaay had a higher budget but Kaabil was sold at higher prices than Shivaay to distributors in most circuits of India. If the film had released a couple of weeks earlier and not clashed with Raaes and taken a decent initial it may have covered in most of the circuits but even then eventually its unlikely it would have become a grosser as the appreciation is not there. The first week daily business of Kaabil (Hindi) is as follows.
The only thing to be seen now for Kaabil is whether it can start to get better collections than Raees at some point after the first week. It has no chance of catching it as the lead is too big but it may be able to cut the first week lead by a few crore before the end of the run.
Kaabil is continuing to hold on during the weekdays. On Tuesday, the film collected 6.10 crore at the Box Office, hence bringing its total to 79.60 crore.
Monday would be around 6.75…BOI might correct it…But that much difference BOI usually has…even Sundays figure of BOI were around 75 lacs lower….
Today WB will do 1.1 cr for Raees…Its a holiday there and all shows are running close to full…So Wednesday drop might be minimal
The problem is that if Raees post BOI collections then everywhere it will look that Kaabil has overtaken Raees as they have higher than 6 daily. Everyone knows still Raees is higher than Kaabil even though it is less difference.
3 sites who usually take producers as gospels have opened up this week in Kaabil. They track their own numbers (exercise caution) and have following
Indicine – yet to post their estimate but have stated it’s in between trade and producers
Addatoday – 73.25 CR for first 7 days vs. 61.5 (BOI) and 79.5 CR (producer)
Bollywood arena – 60.25 CR for first 5 days vs. 54 CR (BOI) vs. 67.46 CR (producer)
Now whatever methods these sites use is as debatable as BOI. They should be ashamed that they’ve conveniently modified their commentary to suit producers but at same time not had guts to come out before on manipulation. BOI as usual should not be excused as they are equally exposed as are producers.
There are probably other figures too. Choose what you want to believe but no point saying one is more truthful or correct than another.
I find it more ironic that likes of TA and KN, have stopped tweets on both films post the extended weekend, unless I have missed their tweets. Even a delayed tweet is a sign of what’s going on.
According to producer total, Raees crossed 100 cr on Monday itself. Bollywood Hungama ran a report on that, but Taran Adarsh did not tweet!
In fact he has stopped tweeting Kaabil numbers for a few days, and now no more Raees number from him.
Most likely that Raees crossed 100 cr by Tuesday, but again there is not much media coverage on this. I guess everyone is sceptical of these numbers now.
The tweets are there guys…Bollywood hungama, Tarans site is tweeting it under their account. You can check it. Kaabils official collection for Tuesday is higher than MOnday by few thousands… 🙂 It is almost showing Dangal like trending 🙂
Bollywood box office numbers are not gospel truths. Its best to look at the lowest and highest estimates/figures and take the average as approx figure.
Seldom does a movie come where all sources are on the same page. We saw that with Dangal. For the rest, its all ego messaging from producers and biases from other trade sites.
Watched RAEES…without monetary loss;..have to say..politely disagree with Z and Master’s take as to the supposed ‘rejection’ of this movie based on the religious angle..would love to write something on it..but right now Am-exit is on my mind and am packing stuff…if time permits, will write something on it,,,
You are behaving dumber recently. No one is saying movie has been rejected on the religious angle, certainly not me. I kept saying violence will keep away women and kids(SRK’s major audience).
Sorry as well from my side. I’m really getting pissed off with some of the other comments and it came in the flow. People are accusing many things easily when I’m not in the picture.
Akshay Kumar positions himself as a new patriotic star after Manoj Kumar
BySubhash K. Jha
When told about Akshay Kumar taking over the role of ‘Bharat’ that Manoj Kumar played to exceptional success in Upkar, Purab Aur Pachchim, Kranti and Roti Kapada Aur Makaan, Manoj says, “I am glad I am compared with someone as handsome and talented as Akshay. I never intended to be a director in the first place. I became one by default when during Shaheed I had to direct the film unofficially. Then Lal Bahadur Shastri raised the slogan of Jai Jawan Jai Kisan. That’s how I made Upkar.”
Speaking of his patriotic zeal Manoj Kumar says, “I give credit for my success to my parents. My father was a poet philosopher. I came to Mumbai with two targets. One was to be a hero, the other was to make 3 lakh rupees,1 lakh each for my two parents and 1 lakh for my siblings. When I had left home in Delhi in 1956 to come to Mumbai to become a hero my father gave me a letter. In that letter he said, ‘My blood can never commit blunders, only mistakes’. I made mistakes in my career. But not blunders.”
12.5K Rs.tax relief for salaried ppl like us earning above Rs.5 Lacs pa.though what is the least slab 2.5 or 3 to 5 Lacs is unclear.wld have more relief if it is 3 lacs.
No..when I say people hate SRK I mean it. Is it just coincidence that his fall started from 2008. The same year he bought KKR. Before that he was just an actor but after 2008 he is an actor cum business men. Films for him is just projects. The so many controversies. Us airport. Shirish kunder, wankhede, Pak flood relief, batting for Pak player in IPL, intolerance, his on and of Muslim victim card I can go on and on. People are fed of him. And unfortunately for him this is the same period where Aamir and Salman came with good films. Aamir did some social service like for something about drought hit areas, Satyamev jayte and many thing. Salman with his being human NGO but SRK has nothing visible in this front. Because of this while other two Khan’s got respect and audience SRK looses them.
Sanjana didn’t CE happened in 2013.but what happened even after that.nothing i guess if u r achieving potential in 1 out of 5 films,u r not going to be even recognised for that 1 film,also CE itself was a crap,while ur competitors r achieving their potential in 4 out of 5 or 5 out of 5,even that 1 under performer wouldn’t be recognised.
Anyways none of this is going to pull him down.. let IPL come, he will be there cheering, Let the Ring release come, he will be there promoting. He has some interesting projects lined up.. And still he can get as big as an initial as anybody out there. Fans haven’t gone anywhere..let him get the film right, the rest of them also will follow!
I doubt if the general audience care so much as to hate any star.
Its just that SRK has now a series of underwhelming films which have been underperforming at BO (if one considers the level at which Aamir and Salman are playing the game).
He was ok till RNBDJ, but since then it has been a landslide of disappointments one way or the other – MNIK, Ra One, Don 2, JYHJ, HNY, Dilwale, Fan, DZ and now Raees.
Only CE had worked really well for him, but that is just one film out of his last ten projects!
at this time last wednesday,the place was ” buzzing ” over-hype with both Raees & Kaabil,we were getting all sorts of numbers & calculations form both parties…within a week both films are making as much as possible…while there is any juice left…people are still in ” Dangal Fever “..
I bet this coming friday dangal collection will beat with these new releases…
If that happens can you imagine srk & papa roshans faces,thinking where we went wrong,next thing both will be ringing amir khan for next film clashing and dates confirming…amir will will put the receiver down..lol
i guess BOI is continuing to underestimate dangal.they said might add 1-2 cr after week5 but dangal did 1.19 cr in sixth weekend and would add abt 0.80 cr in weekdays atleast.so it’s 2 cr in week 6 itself.i guess it cld do 375 cr nett in hindi versions alone.very tough for any movie for atleast 3-4 years.
what Aamir has Dangal with something unprecedented – playing a 60 yrs old hero – he can still give a 385 cr hit – so from 10 yrs now – SRK/Sallu wud surely have retired or gone down but Aamir with script-sense and image might be still around playing lead roles???
Aside- This Kabil Vs Raees debate reminds me of the rivalry between Prakash Mehra and Manmohan Desai, where – Desai famously remarked-( Bachchan was simultaneously shooting for Sharabi and Mard )
Ek Sharabi -Sharabi bana raha hai and ek Mard- Mard bana raha hai !!!
ha ha – ironically Sharabi turned out to be a much better film than Mard which gave lot of Dard in “head” 😉 Inteha ho gayi…..Big B at his Sharabi-best…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uourFnscU6Q
Munna you should atleast warn people who are using such filthy language as it’s very vital to address the issue rather than just deleting or unapproving the comments. Look at the language Master used with An Jo as well under the guise of irritation & what not, but this excuse should not let the issue unaddressed & be brushed under the carpet! Rules & decency at all cost should be adhered to regardless of who is making them under what circumstances (excuses)!
Master language was not right but I think there was no point in asking people why they were absent. Your conjecture may be true but still it is a personal comment to some degree.
Between Anjo and Master, they settled their matter. I hope it stays that way.
A blog is better served with diverse views. Of course that doesn’t include trivial and abusive comments.
So under this pretext Master can abuse me openly?? Did I say anything derogatory or was there an iota of foul language in my comment to get that kind of abusive response?? I am feeling very bad as this is not the right way to go about it! Let the person who began all this make accountable for his filthy comments rather than just pooh-poohing the issue. At the very least don’t make it look like me as a culprit in all this as your stand makes me feel as if I’m guilty! Be fair & act in a non-partisan manner is the least I expect from you as the administrator. I hope you would act in good faith as Satyam puts good faith in his comments 😉
I have already said Master comment was not right but your follow up comment was equally not right. Both have been unapproved.
I hope you understand, Admins cannot be here 24×7 that as soon as there is an abusive comment, it is deleted. Of course, if abusive comments become pattern, any comments from concerned blogger are put in moderation before it is approved.
So, you commenting always about my absence is fine? Is it anything related to movies? Isn’t that personal? So, if I happen to like SRK does it automatically make an Aamir or Salman hater? what does that prove about you?
I’m just glad you saw my comment and I didn’t get to see your nonsensical reply. Either ways, I learnt last month that this blog is not fair and I’m not expecting it to be fair either. I have been very good for years and there’s hardly any protection when others have openly abused me. I don’t care for your stupid replies and kiddish fight. A person naming himself Aamir is accusing others being fans. LMAO..
Even lets assume there is a die-hard SRK fan and he will visit this blog only on his releases. So, how is that wrong? Why would anyone take out of their busy lives to come and post on other star movies as well? How dare you comment on that too?
Everyone is very clearly aware whole of 2016(and prior films) I have watches every big release of the week and posted my thoughts all through the year. Starting from movies like Wazir, Airlift to big films to small films to even disasters like Mohenjodaro, Mirzya, Akira, Befikre I have watched on big screen and gave my thoughts. Those are my reviews and people have problem with them. No one has anything to say and especially call me names for that. I try to give thoughts before reading reviews and I might be wrong many times. Go and read all boxoffice threads to see my comments. I don’t run away just coz one movie is doing good. I didn’t when Sultan was doing great nor when PK, Dhoom 3 was. I saw Sultan and said, it will do 300 cr and then saw Dangal and said it will do 300 cr and not sure if it’ll cross BB and PK. So, if it crosses that movies, I will leave blog? LMAO.. Does it even makes sense? Also, you are accusing me of being a fan? What movies do you even watch and give your thoughts except Aamir films? *Edited – Munna*
Munna this is making no sense as I had to write what i did after you or Satyam did nothing against the person who began it all as that comment had been there for a long time. After no action from your side, I deliberately responded in the same language & here you just noticed it in a flash & deleted it without any warning to the person who initiated it all!! Is this how you be transparent & fair by making me feel guilty & equating my response with someone who began it all without any provocation! And worse part of all this is the person who did this is feeling so emboldended by your leniency that he is busy justifying the indefensible & commenting as if what he wrote was right & correct & behaving more brashly in his justification. Be fair without taking sides as I was not the 1st person to point out about his absence right after the release of Dangal & sudden popping up around Raees release, Jai Shah had earlier commented about the same & my comment was just about that but it had no foul language. So did I commit a crime by pointing out his absence which gave him the liberty to abuse me?? I’m done with blog as this is not the right way to sort out issues by being a passive intervener despite my repeated attempts to make you understand the gravity of the issue!
It’s my last post regarding the issue & I wish to see this space prosper as I have been here since the inception of this blog & very emotionally attached as I have got to learn inmensely from the members of this blog especially Satyam. But I can’t let my self-respect down by clinging on to something where there is no distinction made between right & wrong & both are treated exactly the same way!! So all the very best to SS & its members.
I don’t think you should leave. I saw your comments and I responded to it and mine got binned too. It’s no big deal.
I did start the holiday thing but did not question his absence but more what he said on his return as to things ‘outside’ the blog were fine, to me that insinuating something as there was deliberately ‘outside’. Possibly and true to an extent the blog was too chatty and maybe Aamir fans took over. The only ones that exist, spare us our brief moments of glory and finger pointing.
Absence is part of life. It’s allowed. Except for Satyam LOL
I left the blog late 2015, no one noticed but I did inform the few I know personally as to what my absence was for. And I’m sure they’d agree it was 100% legit. I’m not suggesting we have a roll call or register… This is not school … Most of us work, holiday & have family lives.
And Master does watch every film, he deserves kudos for that and such members keep the blog ‘live’ and ‘current’.
I take things personally with a few members, but reality is in real life whatever I say here is mostly bullcrap anyway, I would shake their hands in real life and have a coffee.
Even this Naveen fella who is recruiting Akshay Kumar fans. Bicharo as we’d say in Gujarati. In response to his quite funny comments for Aamir and SRK fans I have a simple response, Akshay Kumar united fans in….
Canada!!!
Also his work is improving so are his collections and maybe one year in a decade he’ll make 385 CR not out.
Another point. The handle name – who cares! As long as it’s not insulting or moderator type language. What is so offensive about myselfaamir? Seriously? Have some tolerance!
Also on absence, people calling out absence ( this is someone who did it to me in 2016 ). If you call out absence based on me being absent whilst no Aamir release etc. Don’t be absent yourself while your favourite does not have release too. Don’t be a hypocrite – it was not Master.
Master – what are you Master off? Certainly can’t be predictions!
Munna you are moderating fine IMO, I was saddened my first Sunny Leone comment was too naughty but happy my second Sunny Leone comment hit the spot.
As Munna stated earlier we hadn’t seen the relevant comments.. on the rest though hope you’ll continue to be around.. I admire the masala sentiment of the last paragraph but hey this isn’t that big a deal!
Myselfaamir I don’t know if it’s DP or your mellow tone of commenting, but I am never perturbed even when you get tough on me while commenting because – Ammijaan kehti theen jiska imaan dharam clean ho uskee baat ka bura nahin maana karte …so I am bit confused what transpired here in the last few hours.
I hope justice is done to aggrieved parties ASAP. For the sake of clarity all those unapproved comments be made public so members can judge and take a position.
Both parties just remember a quote of Mahatma – Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Pencho Munna..
Yahan itney saarey Kabil log are trying to make this thread 1,000 jitna Raees , and you are going on a delete rampage !! LOL!!
Aside- Panjabi Pita- My son just uttered half a word..
what was it ?
bhehaan…..
lol
There are no scenes that were nasty that we have removed, but we added more Robin Hood-ness. I showed it to my cousins and they asked how does he win the election? You have to show something good that he does or else how will people support him. We had a scene of Raees sponsoring a health camp in the name of his mother and that led to two others scenes. I thought the second one was brilliant. We had to remove it because the film was getting too long. In the second half we added the ladies sewing because we had to justify the fact that they came out to support him during the yatra. The Api Duniya part was always there. I remember Paresh Rawal had told me that his nemesis should be because of his own greed or his own desire to do something.
For example, I wanted to shoot in the interiors of Gujarat but they told me very clearly that you can’t shoot with Shah Rukh on the streets. I said why not, I’ve shot Naseer (Naseeruddin Shah) on the streets and they were like, “This is SRK!” Also because Excel is a big production house, they have certain ways of doing things – so the unit also becomes bigger.
The only thing which became a little more was that we needed to have songs so we tried to fit it into the narrative.
Wonder how Master’s abrasive comments are treated with kidgloves while myselfaamir is getting to bear the brunt for some harmless tit for tat. So srk fans can get away with murder while aamir’s fans have to keep quiet as the former have all the rights to be personal, abrasive and rude.
Come back soon. Aamir’s next is secret superstar later this year. If time permits Pls do watch Jolly LLB2 and Toilet : Ek Prem Katha which will cheer Aamirsfan, Master and you.
That’s why I like Akshay films. His film unites everyone.
Rest all the stars movies lead to lion fights.
Reason – Live and Let live by Akshay and his fans.
SATYAMSHOT 
January 24, 2017 at 6:08 AM
Sanjana:
Shahrukh Khan And Hrithik Roshan Clash This Week
Tuesday 24 January 2016 13.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
This week will see Shahrukh Khan and Hrithik Roshan battle it out at the box office. Its an early release on Wednesday for both films with the big holiday falling on Thursday. There is just one holiday and not a holiday period where a clash maybe can be justified but this is how its played out and two big films will release on the same day. It is in real a Shahrukh Khan V Hrithik Roshan clash as the films do not have much of a supporting cast and the music of both films is not that big that it adds on the initial. Even the directors of both films do not have much of a track record. Rahul Dholakia of Raaes is untried at this level while Sanjay Gupta has many films (the last being Jazbaa) but limited success.
Hrithik Roshan clashed with Akshay Kumar a few weeks back with Mohenjo Daro against Rustom and came off second best and here the gap in the initial will be more as there is a huge miscalculation from the makers of Kaabil. The hero and the heroine are blind in Kaabil and the promos show this clearly so even if the film was solo it would have struggled to open. In fact till date no film with a blind male lead has ever grossed big at the box office. Its surprising that a big banner like Filmkraft have made such an error as Kaabil is more of a content film and needs space and time. The film has fetched high prices from distributors and that is probably why the film stuck to the date because a change would have led to distributors renegotiating deals to a lower price even though a date change would have benefited all. The film has huge table profits before release. Another problem is that its a content film but the director tends to make films inspired from the West or Far East and generally void of emotions so he will have to surpass the previous works in a big way for Kaabil to have the content to get big numbers.
Raees has Shahrukh Khan and a solid theatrical trailer which gives an impression of a mass film so the initial is going to come. There is a clash with Kaabil but initially it will no surprise if it is just a one horse race. The only problem with Raees is that it has turn out the sort of film that the theatrical shows it is. The director of the film has made a few films but very art like films (Parzania, Lamhaa) while the banner Excel Entertainment also make films with a different cinematic language and narrative be it Dil Chahta Hai, Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara, Dil Dhadakne Do, Baar Baar Dekho and the Rock On films among others. If the film is like the theatrical shows and a full out Hindi mass film with action, dialogues and Shahrukh Khan then it will be hard to stop. But if the treatment is like what the banner and director have given to their previous films then the public is no fool and will find out very fast and then its just about where the initial star power of Shahrukh Khan can take it.
The makers of both films are fighting for shows so the advance has not started at many places. In fact for Kabil it has hardly started anywhere while Raees advance started at some places over the weekend and has raced ahead. Its hard to judge pre sales due to the limited screens open for advance but most should open today and there will be a clearer idea of sales by the end of the day.
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January 24, 2017 at 6:24 AM
http://m.timesofindia.com/entertainment/hindi/movie-reviews/kaabil/movie-review/56749675.cms
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January 24, 2017 at 6:26 AM
It’s a box office clash that has been widely spoken about – but there are high chances that Kaabil and Raees, releasing tomorrow, will do exceedingly well as they are both eminently watchable films.
This time, the level of engaging-ness in both the films is high. Both are love stories. Intense love stories.
In Kaabil, Hrithik Roshan loves his wife to death, whose death you will know soon enough, and he is ready to go to any lengths to avenge the wrong done to her. The last 20 minutes of Kaabil are so heart-in-the-mouth, you would be advised to hold your bursting bladders until the last drop of blood is shed and avenged on screen.
Kaabil is by far Sanjay Gupta’s best work, more emotional and dramatic than any of the violent sagas he has narrated in the past. Hrithik gives his finest, most searing and passionate performance since Kaho Naa… Pyaar Hai and Guzaarish. His intensity of emotional expression is disturbing, haunting.
Battle of the blockbusters: ‘Kaabil’ versus ‘Raees’
Battle of the blockbusters: ‘Kaabil’ versus ‘Raees’
Raees is also a love story. And it’s got nothing to do with Mahira Khan. Shah Rukh Khan’s character of a man of ill-gotten power and wealth from Gujarat in the 1980s, is in love – with himself! Since I believe Shah Rukh in real life truly loves himself, the merger of the actor and the character is so brutally complete, it’s like watching mirror images of two identical souls — one off camera, the other on it — dressed in very different clothes.
Raees is also about how two heterosexual men can be bonded spiritually even while being on separate sides of the firing line. This is perhaps the first time in his entire career as a leading man that Shah Rukh has found a co-star who is compelling in his own right.
Nawazuddin Siddiqui, when pitched against Shah Rukh. truly defines what ‘The Clash Of The Titans’ means. He does with Shah Rukh what a Rishi Kapoor or Vinod Khanna could never do with Amitabh Bachchan.
The two actors keep us ruthlessly riveted to the screen. The movement of the plot is almost maniacal, to match the manic energy and mutinous passion of the two men at each other’s throats.
More than anything else, the two films this week prove what Hindi cinema has known all along. Nothing can replace the cult of superstardom. The mysticism, magic and magnetism that Khan and Roshan bring to the screen, have to be seen to be believed.
Don’t pick one between “Raees” and “Kaabil“. Go see both.
http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/dont-pick-one-between-raees-and-kaabil-go-see-both-says-a-trade-analyst/
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January 24, 2017 at 7:14 AM
SRK is stuck at the distant 3rd position for a while. At worst, Raees should cross the biggest Akshay movie and at best it wouldn’t sniff Bajrangi Bhaijaan. Hrithik needs a solid one here after MD debacle. He does not need to outgroas Raees but this can’t be another dud.
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January 24, 2017 at 7:35 AM
I hope kaabil gives a stiff competition and keep going till end ,if kaabil turns to be a dud then raees will get away with it even if raees is also dud…because raees will beat kaabil on first few days,if kaabil keeps up with the steam then raees will have a problem…taran adarsh is watching Raees right now so wait for his review..he already watched kaabil and given thumps up…
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January 24, 2017 at 9:39 AM
https://www.bollyarena.net/rakesh-roshan-refuses-to-watch-srk-starrer-raees/
#BoycottRaees
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January 24, 2017 at 10:01 AM
Based on the feedback from screening, sending a big one here…Will be clear by tomorrow
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January 24, 2017 at 10:02 AM
*sensing
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January 24, 2017 at 10:19 AM
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh 3m3 minutes ago
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#Raees = SURE-SHOT HIT… SRK and Nawazuddin are the lifeline… A must must watch!
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January 24, 2017 at 10:20 AM
looks like taran is giving thumps up for raees
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January 24, 2017 at 10:36 AM
On an aside, can’t help but smile after reading HR, RR & Sanjay Gupta thanking KRK for his tweets. I mean c’mon are these your standards to pull ahead in life…… Now I hope after Sultan and Dangal, KRK once again gets an egg on his face and loses further credibility. For whatever his predictions are worth he has been getting out of sync by the day. ADHM and Shivaay were all wrong so was Sultan and Dangal pegged at 150-175cr and 200-250cr respectively which was far from the actual outcome.
Someone here called him a douchebag few days ago but given all the attention by filmy folks his actions these days are more in line of a pimp. All this thanks to his engagement and encouragement by none than Karan Johar during ADHM-Shivaay controversy where kjo got scared by the backlash of BV which incidentally turned out more entertaining than the movie itself….
I have no idea about krk’s wealth but doubt money is at ‘play’ here and all this seem more like a case of massaging his ego to act as a +ve PR. Though on Kjo love there is something deeper and keeping in mind the sexual tendencies it wouldn’t be surprising if kjo offered to fulfill krk’s ‘nawabi shauk’ What is funny is Kjo seems to have got a two part deal which has Ranbir as part of the package. After all the fun on him there is not much Ranbir has done on screen for his sudden change of heart…..it all seems puzzling to say the least.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:18 AM
LMAO !!! on the nawabi shauk !!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:20 PM
Rocky, here is sane counter argument on the current Bhansali controversy and notably talks on the ‘nawabi shauk’ i mentioned so please don’t take it as my fiction.
I am glad the piece contains a much needed disclaimer –
” There is no doubt that those who indulged in violence against Bhansali should be taken to task. There is no place for lumpen elements in our society.”
Rest of the piece is interesting and I agree somewhat that Bhansali either write his original fiction or depict facts.
Is Sanjay Leela Bhansali ignoring the most interesting love story of Alauddin Khilji?
“…..Khilji also had a weakness for beardless boys. He was fascinated by Kafur’s effeminate beauty and ended up buying the slave for a thousand Dinars during his conquest of Gujarat. Kafur took full advantage of Khilji’s enamour for him and rose through the ranks to become the Malik Naib (deputy ruler). This love affair between Khilji and Kafur is well documented in many books including the Tarikh-e-Firozshahi. It is believed that Khilji had almost 50,000 beardless boys in his harem at the height of his empire….”
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sanjeev-singh-blog/is-sanjay-leela-bhansali-ignoring-the-most-interesting-love-story-of-alauddin-khilji/
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January 24, 2017 at 10:44 AM
First poor review
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/movie-reviews/240117/raees-movie-review-strictly-for-srk-fans-with-its-mediocre-plot.html
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January 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM
Calls it better than Dilwale and Fan with 2 stars? lol
Looks like another flop/disappointing movie from SRK
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January 24, 2017 at 10:44 AM
Taran Adarsh has called it a sure shot hit.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:51 AM
positive review
http://www.financialexpress.com/entertainment/raees-movie-review-shahrukh-mahira-put-on-a-khan-tastic-show-in-gangster-flick/520798/
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January 24, 2017 at 11:01 AM
Who is the critic? It says feonline
For both Kaabil and Raees review
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January 24, 2017 at 11:08 AM
Totally diverse reviews and coming soo quick after the screening both seem preplanned but Deccan has tried to put a disclaimer at the end – “P.S. ‘Raees’ is a slightly better film than ‘Dilwale’ and ‘Fan’
If better than above 2 than the job is more or less done and will reach the required milestones with stardom of srk.
This is what movies are coming to… and each clash becomes a tamasha in upmanship. Obviously the smaller films tend to gain as clash gives them the extra buzz and some sort of ‘equal’ footing.
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January 24, 2017 at 11:19 AM
Firstpost seems like a credible review. if true, it’s a very well-made film
http://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/bollywood/raees-live-review-shah-rukh-khans-film-is-a-commercial-entertainer-in-a-good-way-3218004.html
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January 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM
That’s a very glowing review….I don’t trust these adarsh etc…But I do have high regard for Amod Mehra…And he has good things to say…So we might have 2 good movies eating into each other and making a loss of around 100 crs which they could have done had they released separately…This clash has been a very stupid decision….
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January 24, 2017 at 11:48 AM
In TN Raees releasing in 101 screens…S3 getting postponed has paved the way for a big release. But wait, Kaabil is releasing in 54 screens and they have now added a Tamil version which is releasing in 114 screens…So Kaabil is leading overall by 70 screens..
All India – Multiplexes have given 60 – 40 ratio to raees. All the biggest screens and best times have gone to Raees
SS – would be 65 to 35…Again the best have gone to Raees..
Raees will do 20+ cr on Day 1…Kaabil will do 12+ cr..My feel…
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January 24, 2017 at 12:21 PM
Raees – 2/5
Director Rahul Dholakia goes the old school way by developing the characters from the childhood days and set the tone for a story revolving around a dreadful but kind-hearted smuggler. When Shah Rukh Khan makes an appearance on the screen for the first time, you know that only he can be Raees. The fierce eyes, the stylish walk and the attitude makes you envy the personality of the character. As the film progresses, the director gets into the commercial zone by setting up a love story between the characters which absolutely lacks the conviction. Even the bootlegging sequences in the first half despite being well shot don’t leave the desired impact owing to the poorly drafted screenplay. Most of the songs pop up out of nowhere as are forcefully added in the narration. The brightest moments of Raees are the first 20 minutes and each and every time Nawazuddin Siddiqui makes an appearance on the screen. Without getting into the depth of the storyline (Which is done to death), the climax of the film might turn off a wide audience base. The action sequences are surprisingly over the top and shot using the wires. The realism in action sequences is missing and the much spoken about action sequence in the meat market is toned down to a large extent. Apart from performances, another thing in favour of Raees are the dialogues as they don’t appear as forced and are used in normal conversations between the characters. But all said and done, despite a restrained runtime, Raees tends to drag at many places. As a film Raees had the potential to be dark, gritty and bad-ass (the dark quotient is visible in a few sequences), but sadly what we get is the toned down version of the film. The movie had the potential, but the chances are ruined because of poor screenplay and boring narration. PS: Watch out for Shah Rukh Khan and Nawazuddin Siddiqui’s entry scene! PS 1: Watch out for Shah Rukh Khan and Mahira Khan confrontation in second half!
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January 24, 2017 at 12:23 PM
Rajiv Vijyakar feedback for Raees is also very average …. though he has soft corner for khans.
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January 24, 2017 at 12:50 PM
Yakuza have you seen Raees ? is this your review ?
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January 24, 2017 at 1:58 PM
No , this is from Himesh Mankad ..
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January 24, 2017 at 2:30 PM
When are you planning to watch ?
TBH I was expecting the media going ga ga over it, the fact it has not leads me to believe that it’s really a very bad boring product.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:37 PM
Watching tomorrow .. because of my wife , her friends are SRK fans and they are dragging me along.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:38 PM
While buying tomatoes today, I got great idea for tomorrow show 😛
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January 25, 2017 at 1:55 AM
yakuza bhai,waiting for ur 9 out of 13 all time groSSERS by AB post.thanks in advance.
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January 24, 2017 at 12:35 PM
http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/raees-movie-review-nawazuddin-siddiqui-steals-shah-rukh-khans-thunder-in-this-predictable-gangster-drama/
2.5 stars
Average review and if the film is really an average fare then it’s going to hurt big time, because the other one is getting good reviews. Audience will shift to the better one within 2-3 days
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January 24, 2017 at 12:40 PM
http://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/entertainment/movie-review/raees-movie-review-shah-rukh-khans-performance-is-loud/articleshow/56764518.cms
Mumbai mirror-2.5stars for Raees
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January 24, 2017 at 12:40 PM
2.5/5 from Kunal Guha
http://punemirror.indiatimes.com/entertainment/film-reviews/raees-movie-review-shah-rukh-khans-performance-is-loud/articleshow/56765205.cms
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January 24, 2017 at 12:49 PM
LMAO !!!!
The actor seems to be too preoccupied with doing a Bachchan and ending up like Raju Srivastav on a bad night. Investing in Mahira Khan’s visa was a wasted cause as the actress can barely construct half an expression
In one of the lesser melodramatic scenes from this film, we see SRK as the eponymous Raees, breaking down. His cheeks swell up like a puri and his head shakes like he’s having a seizure and even though not a single tear rolls out of his eyes, from the odd groan, we’re assured that he’s crying. His performance in the scene seems like a reaction to being forced to watch this film twice.
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January 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM
Shubhra too hasn’t liked it…Indian express…
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January 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM
She doesn’t like 99% of the films.Her reviews doesnt count for regular audiences.These are meant for niche audience.
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January 24, 2017 at 12:51 PM
http://www.koimoi.com/reviews/raees-review/
3.5 stars
Positive review
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January 24, 2017 at 12:53 PM
The reviews are similar like Dilwale (may be a tad better). SRK seems to have managed to again give a mediocre movie.
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January 24, 2017 at 1:01 PM
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/raees-review-na-miyabhai-ki-daring-na-baniye-ka-dimag/20170124.htm
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January 24, 2017 at 1:07 PM
Average rating is around 2.5 from most critics while Kaabil around 3.5
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January 24, 2017 at 2:45 PM
https://in.yahoo.com/style/movie-review-hrithik-kaabil-ever-065719974.html
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January 24, 2017 at 2:52 PM
That is Khalid Mohamed’s review and Mayank Shekhar also gave 3 stars. Rest are mostly 4 stars so I guessed around 3.5 as average.
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January 24, 2017 at 1:09 PM
Reviews are completely opposite to what I expected. Expected media to be unkind to Kaabil and kind to Raees, so real picture might be even more in favour of Kaabil.
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January 24, 2017 at 2:56 PM
BM vs Dilwale repeat. Will follow the same pattern as well with huge opening for Raees and drastic drops from Friday. While Kaabil will start building and catching on wom.
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January 24, 2017 at 2:58 PM
What was probably billed as a Dabanng moment is feeling like Jai Ho.
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January 24, 2017 at 3:20 PM
Its funny and ironic over the years Salman have evolved as better actor than SRK. 10 years back people would have laughed about it (and some still do)
Dabanng like moment seems pipe dream for SRK (can’t do comedy like Salman and in serious/emotional he goes overboard as usual)
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January 24, 2017 at 3:54 PM
Too early to write it off. But reading between the lines, Raees has been tampered with hugely and I would sympathise with SRK here. It’s got middling reviews so still fancy it to trample over Kaabil, in fact at face value there is some very positive ones too. Plus opening looks to be big. But there was no need for a clash. Hrithik will be pissed if he has a clean winner but due to clash the film doesn’t maximise.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:32 PM
Tampered for what reasons?
Not sure about SRK strategy though. His bo pull have declined and barely won clash with SOS. Then got trampled by BM. And to top that he ran away from one clash to go head on with another. He must have felt confident that Gupta will make crap movie. With non holiday solo release the same movie would have done comparatively better.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:36 PM
It’s been re-shot I’m sure. I’ve read up to 50-60% reshoots, hard to confirm. And most of that is political probably. The original cut probably would have been less audience friendly but more of a game changing film.
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January 24, 2017 at 1:16 PM
Raees movie review: A film where Shah Rukh Khan tries too hard
http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/movie-review/raees-movie-review-shah-rukh-khan-mahira-khan-sunny-leone-star-rating-4489637/
2.5*
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January 24, 2017 at 1:39 PM
@”A film where Shah Rukh Khan tries too hard”
Sounds very familiar. Don’t know the final outcome but all the hard work and correction done by Aamir in setting an example for a low profile release with bare minimum promotion has been withered away again with all this noise / trade talks.
Even HR hamminess is well documented and with very few parallels.
I think both movies will just be a blip on the radar in terms of total box-office earning and not going beyond 90cr for Kaabil and 120 cr for Raees. They have to get closer to this total by Sunday 29th because Monday onwards exam fever will take over the families and these are not sex comedies where college going crowd will bunk classes to see the movie.
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January 24, 2017 at 2:01 PM
Kaabil V Raees: Raees Takes Huge Lead in Advance
Tuesday 24 January 2017 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
The big box office clash between Kaabil and Raees looks a bit of an anti climax as far as initial is concerned as the Shahrukh Khan starrer Raees has pulled a distance ahead. The advance of Raaes started late with some multiplexes only opening advance yesterday but it has notched up pre sales of 12.50 crore nett. Dangal was 16.50 crore nett, Sultan was 21 crore nett and Prem Ratan Dhan Payo was 15 crore nett but these were Xmas, Eid and Diwali releases respectively and all were solo releases and no fighting for shows which leads to the advance opening late. The advance is excellent at both multiplexes and single screens with the single screens at muslim centres in Gujarat and UP having chances to witness record collections on a non holiday. Considering the situation its a huge advance and that will be reflected in the initial tomorrow as its looking to beat Kaabil easily all over unless the on the day crowd changes the scenario.
Kaabil had an advance which opened even later than Raees with the biggest multiplex chains PVR and Inox only opening yesterday but the results are below the mark. The single screen advance is poor while multiplexes are a little better but still low. The pre sales are around 3 crore nett and that is even lower than a film like Dishoom (2016) although the late opening advance can be an excuse but still Kaabil is a big film with a big star like Hrithik Roshan so should have more initial appeal. The film is going to be depending on how the public sees the film tomorrow. The biggest problem is that Kaabil looks a film that will be driven by Mumbai circuit but Raees is going to be super strong in Gujarat and Maharashtra giving Kaabil little chance initially where it can score best.
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January 24, 2017 at 2:08 PM
Raees day 1 – 20 CR
Kaabil day 1 – 9 CR
Reviews more important for Kaabil
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January 24, 2017 at 2:35 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/movie-reviews/raees-review-shah-rukh-khan-nawazuddin-siddiqui-brighten-up-the-screen-film-doesn-t/story-5Gj6PW9RMj5MUGAO1RexrL.html
2 stars
This is getting ripped apart.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:28 PM
This looks like a Don-type response. That film wasn’t particularly liked by critics, but it was a decent hit. Raees might reach there too. A mass entertainer doesn’t always need exemplary reviews and seldom receives them anyway.
But point is, SRK is no massy hero like Salman, he does need plenty of multiplex support. Also, a passable hit is just not enough for him at this point. He desperately needed a film that would be loved by critics and audiences alike. The film with its violence and lack of strong emotional content is not going to get enough family audiences.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:40 PM
Agree Sandhya. The hurdle is less here. I expect it to have a great opening and good second weekend too. Let’s see.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:27 PM
Its less but it cant be getting so middling reviews too…Maybe single screens might like it but that’s not what SRK needs…
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January 24, 2017 at 6:58 PM
once at the time of release Farhan Akhtar was online chatting – and my question got his answer – the question was “why on earth he would choose SRK as done and why not Aamir Khan?” he said that he could not imagine Aamir as Don!!
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January 24, 2017 at 3:12 PM
Lol https://twitter.com/_TheEternalStud/status/823850678728540161/video/1
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January 24, 2017 at 4:30 PM
Lol. He is clearly seething at SRK/Farhan.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:09 PM
He shud be happy..he got all the free publicity and some props from bjp mouthpieces like Kailash Vijaywhatever..
Warna who wud have cared that much for Hrithik Roshan after MD!
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January 24, 2017 at 4:09 PM
With Federer reaching semi final the dream final against Nadal is still possible. Reminiscent of Sampras vs. Agassi in 2002 US Open. Old foes hopefully slugging it out once more. Sure Stan will have a say. Nadals side of draw hard to gauge, Raionic will be tough but if he gets through, you’d fancy him in semi.
The bookies have Federer as favourite to win with Stan second. Makes sense, winner of that semi is odds on to win slam.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM
Nadal’s draw is comparatively easier. Raonic with his serve can put up fight but I have feeling Nadal will grind him down.
If Rafa and Fed are in the finals I think Nadal will win although Federer is in much better form. There is the mental block and also mismatch in style of play. Will be glad to be proven wrong though.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:32 PM
History favours Nadal in a final. But Federer is showing great form. Obviously I’d love Federer to win and get 18, a magical figure.
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January 24, 2017 at 4:54 PM
Anyway now that Dangal is done and dusted the blog can talk about the real stars of Bollywood like SRK, HR, Akshay Kumar and eventually Salman.
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January 24, 2017 at 5:31 PM
Ouch
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January 25, 2017 at 8:39 AM
@”Anyway now that Dangal is done and dusted the blog can talk about the real stars of Bollywood like SRK, HR, Akshay Kumar and eventually Salman.”
Here are few well documented and tabulated scientific data hence blog readers are requested to update themselves regularly on this twitter feed to determine who is leading the pack…..by a margin !
Last updated on Jan 23,2017
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January 25, 2017 at 9:32 AM
After Dangal I’m surprised Aamir is even able to make the top 5..
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January 25, 2017 at 10:01 AM
@”After Dangal I’m surprised Aamir is even able to make the top 5..”
Oh you shouldn’t be ! This fact gets registered with Dangal being the most liked movie. Aamir fans can take heart to this evidence.
‘thecooldude’ you can form opinions without having to get the facts.
Ormax Media @OrmaxMedia Jan 20
#OrmaxCinematix Top 10 most-liked films of 2016 based on audience Word-of-Mouth (WOM) measured through the year.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:08 AM
livewire….I don’t give 2 sh#$ts about this list. Dangal can be 1 or a 1000.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:51 AM
For arguments sake, lets look at this list. I can see Salman at number 1 (though Aamir just kicked his ass from Patna to Pune). I can even see an argument for Akshay being at number 2 (though its an insult to Aamir to even mention Akshay in the same sentence). How the f$%k can SRK be in the above Aamir for 2016 when the only movie he did bombed at the BO
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January 25, 2017 at 10:17 AM
If you believe that, look at the list of most popular movies of 2016. Sultan at 3 behind Airlift at 2
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January 25, 2017 at 10:25 AM
Sour grapes is all I can say. Your morning internet search must be ‘how Salman is bigger than Aamir’. Beyond this… We’ve agreed he’s a bigger star, that Aamir is inconsequential and just a fluke actor/star.
But box office numbers have killed your barking.
Even now TL if it breaks records will get SRK attachment as Raees has increased his profile. TL is lose lose, if it doesn’t break records it’s epic failure, if it does credit is shared. TZH is already screwed in breaking records IF Dutt film releases.
Anyway I thought others were clowns on this blog, you’ve outshone them. You are prolific for sure.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:37 AM
Dangal’s performance has really ‘hit’ you where it hurts hardest. Hope you are wearing a cup.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:54 AM
Shah Rukh romancing the much younger Mahira Khan are downright creepy, for no fault of his own. Why can’t he just play characters closer to his own age? (He did that in the recent Dear Zindagi, for example, where his hamming was atrocious, but at least he looked his age.)
Overshadowing the question of ‘When will Bollywood heroes play their age?’ is the larger one of ‘When will Bollywood grow up?’ Raees is nothing more than adolescent macho escapism, and if it turns out to be a hit, I guess we’ll have to wait.
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/01/25/raees-review-an-empty-shell-of-a-gangster-film/
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January 25, 2017 at 11:01 AM
Btw political climate these days is abuzz with a new term coined “alternate facts”. This ‘paathshaala’ of like minds created by Satyam seems to revel in the same falsehood time and again. So my commenting may be clownish but ‘authentic’.
On the rest I would just say enjoy golden lyrics your countryman’s song –
We don’t need no education
We don’t need no “thought control”
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Hey teachers leave them kids alone
All in all you’re just another brick in the wall!
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January 24, 2017 at 5:21 PM
Review: Raees and fall of the Don
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/review-raees-and-fall-of-the-don/20170124.htm
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January 24, 2017 at 5:29 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C281SRWUoAA21bB.jpg:large
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January 24, 2017 at 10:09 PM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/republic-day-weekend-two-big-budget-films-raees-kaabil-tussle-over-equal-number-of-screens-in-delhi-halls/articleshow/56761240.cms
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January 24, 2017 at 10:12 PM
Farid Khan, a politician and a hotelier, lost his life due to suffocation because of the mad rush at the station. He was soon rushed to the hospital but was declared dead on arrival. It was very unfortunate as the deceased was an uncle of a journalist on board the train. He had come to the station with his kids to greet his niece and her mother who were on board the train too.
MissKyra team EXCLUSIVELY spoke to journalist Samina Shaikh whose uncle lost his life in Vadodara stampede incident. She revealed, “It’s unfortunate that my uncle lost his life due to suffocation in the crowd as he was a heart patient. However, Shah Rukh Khan and his team made sure that my mother and I reach safely to my uncle’s funeral. We got down at Ratlam and SRK’s team arranged a car for us to Vadodara to attend my uncle’s burial. ”
The journalist also spoke about how Shah Rukh Khan broke down while consoling her. Talking about it, she said, ” When I narrated the incident to Shah Rukh, he was in tears as he could genuinely feel the pain that I and my family were going through. Apart from making arrangements for me and my mother from Ratlam to Vadodara, he also made arrangements for my relatives who flew in from Mumbai to Vadodara to attend my uncle’s last rites. Though SRK was busy with his film’s promotions in Delhi event, he even made sure to know about my family and provided whatever help possible. ”
The deceased’s mother also spoke to MissKyra about SRK being unnecessarily dragged into a controversy regarding the matter. She said, ” We have nothing against Shah Rukh Khan as he is not at fault. He is also like my son, I would like to thank him for making last moment arrangements for our family to be a part of my son’s funeral. The incident has nothing to do with SRK’s ‘Raees’ promotional event, my son fell prey to the crowd and succumbed to death due to suffocation. All we want is prayers from everyone for my son. ”
http://www.misskyra.com/celebs/shah-rukh-khan-sends-help-to-the-mans-family-who-died-during-raees-promotions/articleshow/56754420.cms
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January 25, 2017 at 12:38 AM
Well when ppl like Kailash or Manoj Tiwari of BJP and lawyers like Abha singh were trying to make some mileage out of this issue and advising SRK how he should go and meet the deceased family and pay compensation etc etc..everything needed was done already without their prompting..
Good to know that.
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January 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM
Of all the directors on the face of indian Earth, I would never have thought SANJAY GUPTA would be the one resurrecting the limited actor Hrithik’s stature again…
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January 24, 2017 at 10:41 PM
Sanjay Gupta is most underrated .. he never delivered outright bad and some of his movies were pure class (though inspired from west).
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January 25, 2017 at 1:17 AM
not yet An Jo – wait till Tuesday morning – I think both the movies will go downhill from Tue….
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January 24, 2017 at 10:40 PM
btw looks like Sarkar-3 not happening on 17th March as planned , shooting is still going on and its first look which was suppose to release on 23rd January, didn’t happen.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:17 AM
thank God – “Ramu bollywood ke liye tu to haanikarak hei ;-)”
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January 24, 2017 at 11:38 PM
Raees reviews are getting more intensely bad.
http://www.filmcompanion.in/article/raees-movie-review-rahul-desai?utm_content=buffer858e4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/reviews/371361/raees-movie-review-nawaz-takes-spotlight-away-king-khan-mediocre-crime
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January 24, 2017 at 11:48 PM
This is brilliant stuff from Akshay Kumar.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:05 AM
Good going Akshay! I hope more stars come forward on this issue
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January 25, 2017 at 12:29 AM
Public review: Raees
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January 25, 2017 at 12:35 AM
Seems fine..
But why she is saying there is a lot of disappointments?
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January 25, 2017 at 12:38 AM
Looks like those not liking are Aamir Khan fans
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January 25, 2017 at 12:51 AM
They dont care.
They are sitting on 381 crore plus.
It must be Akki fans!
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January 25, 2017 at 12:40 AM
And they are very few in numbers 😛
Most in the video seems to have loved Raees
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January 25, 2017 at 12:44 AM
If I had to interpret this,doesn’t look positive for Raees. If people liked it they would have taken some time to talk about the movie.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:45 AM
Raees has taken a bumper start all over India. The opening is going to be Big. Time for SRK fans to rejoice. Good reports coming in from Single screens as well as Multiplexes.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:10 AM
Opening is very huge…But as i said the opening gets magnified due to the occupancy level which is high due to lack of screens…But i am upping the estimate to around 22crs now
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January 25, 2017 at 1:13 AM
SRK has a major fan following as we know and those seeing it FDFS are generally are all his young fans. Some are even dressed like SRK in Raees. That is also true for Salman, where his fans make up most of the crowd on the first day. Aamir on the other hand has a phenomenal neutral fan base, who come to watch his film, rather than only “him.” Which is why all his films have done such record lifetime business, even if they don’t always make opening day records.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:19 AM
true but SRK/Sallu look jaded and in that fans dept – Rajni still has an edge – for Aamir – ppl come for the overall product and of-course his name is the major draw
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January 25, 2017 at 1:56 AM
Kaabil opening is very poor…infact quite below the moderate expectations even in plexes…All India average wont be more than 30%..
One thing I just realized that last 24 hours not a single review of Kaabil has come out…Rediff and the usual outlets are also yet to post the review.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:07 AM
http://m.mid-day.com/articles/raees-movie-review-film-rating-shah-rukh-khan-srk-mahira-khan-nawazuddin-siddiqui-bollywood-news/17938152
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January 25, 2017 at 2:09 AM
http://m.mid-day.com/articles/kaabil-movie-review-film-rating-hrithik-roshan-yami-gautam-sanjay-gupta-bollywood-news/17936198
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January 25, 2017 at 2:11 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/reviews/kaabil-review/
Koi moi has thrashed kaabil..
I am getting better audience feedback for Raees than Kaabil..Critical review is opposite. A day or two will make it clear…
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January 25, 2017 at 2:22 AM
I sincerely hope these are different sources to Dangal! 😀
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January 25, 2017 at 2:59 AM
I had any source for Dangal WOM?…
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January 25, 2017 at 3:19 AM
Can’t recall, but recall some excel predictions, which in turn I presume had some basis…I’m only kidding.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:24 AM
Yeah i was pretty sure there was no way Dangal can do 250+ due to no holidays and demonetization….But was conclusively proved wrong 🙂
Master had an excel for that…He even had one for Raees to prove there is no way it can do more than 150…
Where is Master these days?
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January 25, 2017 at 3:27 AM
No idea
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January 25, 2017 at 2:23 AM
https://thewire.in/102568/raees-shahrukh-khan-review/
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January 25, 2017 at 2:49 AM
Boxofficeindia
Raees took an excellent opening of 55-60% in its morning shows. It is the best opening since Sultan eclipsing the morning shows of Dangal. The opening at most single screens is better than Dangal and at places even better than Sultan which was a holiday. The multiplexes have also scored big even though the film looks more for mass centres but Shahrukh Khan is there so barring East Punjab which can only be called good, the multiplexes in other circuits are excellent. The clash and the release which is around 3400 screens will obviously curtail the final number a little compared to other big non holiday releases but occupancy for a non holiday are fantastic almost across the board. Gujarat is extraordinary due to the local base of the film, West Bengal which traditionally is a slow starter has opened well enough that it could be an all time opening day record in that circuit as evenings will be bumper due to the Shahrukh Khan factor.
Kaabil opened to around 20-25% which is a below average opening and it is second best to Raees all over the country. The opening is 25% of Raees at places and at places which have opened better comparatively it is 50% of Raees. In some circuits its going to be a huge gap between the two films. The only plus is that Kaabil is a big film and collections will get better as they are so low especially in the evening as its a big holiday tomorrow. Still its unlikely the growth will be good enough to result in a first day number which can be called good. Then it will be about the big National holiday for Republic Day where it will have to make huge gains if it is to make any mark at the box office. The opening morning has turned out to be a very one sided affair as far as the big clash is concerned.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:22 AM
SRK 1 – 0 Hrithik
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January 25, 2017 at 2:54 AM
2.5/5 from Sukanya for Kaabil
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/kaabil-review-its-all-about-hrithik/20170125.htm
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January 25, 2017 at 2:59 AM
ha ha – both knows that their films will go down from Tuesday – so this – http://www.rajnikantvscidjokes.in/hrithik-srks-twitter-chat-release-will-break-internet-cant-miss/
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January 25, 2017 at 3:04 AM
1.5/5 from Shubhra Gupta for Kaabil
http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/movie-review/kaabil-movie-review-hrithik-roshan-yami-gautam-rakesh-roshan-star-rating-4489671/
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January 25, 2017 at 3:05 AM
Looks like both are mediocre
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January 25, 2017 at 3:24 AM
http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report-breaking-kaabil-team-cries-foul-claiming-raees-makers-have-played-dirty-with-them-2295987
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January 25, 2017 at 3:26 AM
I don’t know how he calculated the loss to be 150 crs!!!..
How much a difference a 60-40 makes to a 50-50 for a movie which has opened around 20%???
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January 25, 2017 at 8:14 AM
The only issue for HR is that his next is not even in planning stage so there is a bit of loss for him to re establish. I doubt Krish- 4 will happen due to costs involved and in anyways RR cannot release that before late 2019. He needs to continue doing Kaabil type small movies and angle the projects Ranveer – Varun – Ranbir are doing otherwise he will go Abhi ways.SRK and HR had absolute superstardom but both were out of sync and stoned out for last few years.
Meanwhile good to see the exchange below –
Shah Rukh Khan @iamsrk 8h8 hours ago
@iHrithik wish could have avoided overlap of releases. That said…my love to u & @yamigautam dad & @_SanjayGupta. Kaabil wil b awesome
Hrithik Roshan @iHrithik 9h9 hours ago
Dear @iamsrk today as a mentor Im sure u will inspire me yet again with #Raaes and as a student I hope you are proud of me with #Kaabil.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:51 PM
Daft. On 40-60 split the 40 split is doing average, so what difference if it got 50-50. Argument only stands if Kaabil was 100%.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:25 AM
So…Kabil Paid Critics KRK to admitted that Raees is better then his expectation
KRK @kamaalrkhan 58m58 minutes ago
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I just Watched #Raees n definitely it’s a very good film for single screen audience and average for multiplexes. It’s much better than #Fan!
Failed in Sultan, Dangal and hopefully in Raees case to.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:31 AM
3 stars from Saibal and Namrata Joshi
http://movies.ndtv.com/movie-reviews/raees-movie-review-shah-rukh-khan-is-on-top-of-his-game-nawazuddin-siddiqui-snaps-at-his-heels-3004?pfrom=home-topstory
http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/Raees-daring-identity-politics-help-a-complicated-portrayal/article17092178.ece1
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January 25, 2017 at 4:17 AM
So bottomline is that Kaabil is not as good as Bajirao Mastani and Raees is not as bad as Dilwale. So Raees will don better B/C it is single screen and Mumbai/Gujrat friendly.
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January 25, 2017 at 5:00 AM
Kaabil can tank I feel. I don’t think audiences are liking it as much as the ‘initial’ critics did. The critics who reviewed it today have thrashed it.
5 days 65 crs is my prediction for Kaabil. It needs 90 to be a hit.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:03 AM
cannot beleive the quote I am getting ,guys its too early to say which films is going to tank,dilwale was way ahead of baji rao but later proved that bajirao was a winner…relax dudes….wait few days yet,,,its only srk fans claiming that raees is doing well…
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January 25, 2017 at 6:07 AM
I have Raees > 100 CR by end Sunday and Kaabil < 50 CR by end Sunday. Either way Roshan's have been screwed big time.
And considering the opening, SRK could have challenged Sultan – it may have been a more interesting dual as fan following for both are loyal.
I agree SRK needs to sort out his choices as he can still open big. Deliberately having clashes is not a good strategy for a start.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:16 AM
Less than 50 in 5 days is Mohenjo Daro territory…I expect this to be slightly better…
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January 25, 2017 at 6:17 AM
never quite bought the Kaabil reviews and can’t say I’m surprised that some of the real ‘views’ are coming out now.. but yeah not even getting a half-decent initial is a blow here because if it doesn’t sustain it’s going to be a very low total in the end.
agreed on Raees.. if you’re relying on the big opening numbers you should at least maximize these.
of course SRK being wise about his scripts or some of this other stuff is an illusion in any case. If he had that sense/ability he’d have done it a long time ago. Since VZ in ’04 he’s had the top grosser of the year just once (OSO – 2007). He’s crossed 200 just once with CE, that too by not a whole lot. Otherwise you have a lot of good or big initials with the films more or less fizzling out. That’s still better than most others out there (clearly no one’s doing better than this at the moment). But it’s a very far cry from Salman or Aamir. He just doesn’t have the script sense for it, irrespective of the subject. Anyway let’s see how well or not Raees does.
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January 25, 2017 at 6:34 AM
Agreed on every point. You have clearly summarised it.
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January 25, 2017 at 11:50 AM
evenif SRK did Sultaan or Dangal – it cud have done less than 200 cr
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January 25, 2017 at 4:26 AM
Opening Show Figures – Raees v Kaabil
Wednesday 25 January 2016 13.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raees took a huge lead against Kaabil in the morning shows across the country with collections more than double in many cities. The gap was bigger in the single screens where Raees took one of the best openings for a Shahrukh Khan starrer in recent times. Raees is looking at huge numbers in Gujrat, Nizam / Andhra and West Bengal. The collections in East Punjab and Delhi city were not as good as the rest of the country probably because its a Gujarat based film. Kaabil has a lot of work to do the opening is on th lines of films like Shivaay and Mohenjo Daro which also clashed with other films and came off second best. But here Kaabil is likley to lose by much wider numbers than those films. The plus is that it is a big holiday tomorrow and that should give a lift in the evening. Below are the admit figures of first shows with the cinema counts taken from each centre listed next to the city..
Mumbai (45 Cinemas)
Raees – 7,521 admits
Kaabil – 2,543 admits
Delhi (25 cinemas)
Raees – 3,531 admits
Kaabil – 1,520 admits
Kolkata (15 cinemas)
Raees – 3,006 admits
Kaabil – 678 admits
Chandigarh (8 Cinemas)
Raees – 1,123 admits
Kaabil – 456 admits
Jaipur (10 cinemas)
Raees – 1,647 admits
Kaabil – 738 admits
TOTAL (103 cinemas)
Raaes – 16,828 admits
Kaabil – 5,935 admits
http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2654
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January 25, 2017 at 4:31 AM
Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection Update
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Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection Update:
Shahrukh Khan starrer Raees is one of the most awaited films in recent times. The film had been in the making for a long time but it still has excellent buzz and hype. 2017 has been started on a dull note with three box office flops but Raees is expected to end the dull phase. Check out Raees collection update for the 1st day.
Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection Update
Raees Morning Shows Report:
The overall occupancy in the morning shows was around 60% in most of the circuits which is an extraordinary start. The Mumbai and Gujarat circuit has opened extremely well and has housefull shows at many places. It has started like a riot in West Bengal and especially in Kolkata where it practically opened to packed houses. That is incredible as the genre is not state friendly but still it has opened to an extraordinary response only due to the presence of Shahrukh Khan.
Central India is also doing good with more than 50% occupancy in the morning shows. The traditional Hindi markets in North India are decent but they are lagging behind other circuits. They need to improve in the evening. More data will be updated later.
Raees Day 1 Box Office Collection
In terms of occupancy, Raees has recorded one of the biggest openings. It is even better than Aamir Khan starrer Dangal which was released last December. The film is expected to show big gains as the day will progress. There will be holiday advantage coming into the picture in the evening which will boost Raees collection big time. You expected housefull shows in the evening and night.
As far the clash with Kaabil is concerned, Raees 1st day collection will have a big lead. That was evident yesterday also when SRK starrer had an excellent advance whereas Kaabil was only decent. Unless there is any turnaround in the evening, Raees will have around 9-10 crore lead today over Kaabil.
2:00 PM Update:
Raees is rocking big time on the opening day. The single screens are almost housefull in most parts of the country due to the genre but even multiplexes are excellent due to the presence of Shahrukh Khan. After an excellent start, it is showing further gains. The opening is even better than Dangal which was a solo release and here Raees had a clash with a big film. In fact at some places, the opening is even better than Sultan which was a holiday release.
Raees 1st Day Box Office Collection Early Trends:
As per the early trends, Raees 1st day collection should be over 20 crore. The final collection will depend on how it performs in the later half of the day.
http://www.bollyarena.net/raees-day
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January 25, 2017 at 11:52 AM
it shd be 20 + 25 + 20 + 25 + 25 and then tank big time
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January 25, 2017 at 11:58 AM
If Sunday is same as Republic Day then no way it will tank…We will know the fate based on Fridays collections. Friday will be less than today surely but shouldn’t be more than 10 percent less.
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January 25, 2017 at 12:22 PM
ha,ha.. ” tank big time “..probably kaabil have chance to catch Raees..maybe it will be in lacs rather then in cr…who knows….
not watching either of them until both cools down…I will watch first which is still trying to chase Dangal then I will watch the other which has totally sunk…yes like ” Titanic “…
evening shows updates: Raees going house full
kaabil running in 80% occupancy…
kaabil has picked up since morning but Raees is unstoppable..
Kaabil running like calm then storm
Raees is running like storm then calm..by monday both will running on empty…” both Tanked “…
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January 25, 2017 at 4:44 AM
Raees opening proves one thing very clearly that SRK is not done & dusted yet!! His star power is intact & content is what is letting him down. If & a big if at that is he gets his script sense right, he is still in the game with Aamir & Salman. He and his directors need to understand this fact at the earliest as he is not in his prime both age wise & box office standing!! But one silver lining this opening has given to SRK & his fans that he is still a force to reckon with!!
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January 25, 2017 at 5:52 AM
myselfamir,this was expected,it is just that the initial is not the problem,its the aftermath of releasing the film,dilwale and fan also took huge initail but fizzeled out,its a same scenario with raees..willl it last…we shall see and even it last it will be just another dilwale…and not fan…nothing else…
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January 25, 2017 at 6:32 AM
Rajender Singh Jyala, VP-Programming and distribution AT INOX told BollywoodLife that Kaabil will positively OVERTAKE Raees. He said, “Raees had opened to almost full houses. Kaabil is shooting up now, it did not open to great numbers, but it is fighting back now. It opened with an occupancy of 40 per cent in the morning shows, but it has picked up since then. So Raees had upper hand according to the morning shows, but by the evening, Kaabil will catch up mostly.” Now, we have told you that Raees has earned Rs 12.5 crore through advance bookings and Kaabil is at Rs 3 crore. But will this change? Will Kaabil overthrow Raees at Box Office? Looks like Rakesh Roshan is very keen to. ALSO READ:Raees vs Kaabil WAR begins: Is Hrithik Roshan’s remark on Shah Rukh Khan’s film a jibe or well intentioned?
Speaking to the same entertainment website he dissed SRK for booking 55 per cent screens while leaving only 45 per cent screens to Kaabil and said, “Everything is getting dirty and unethical. No professionalism, no friendship, it’s (Bollywood) not a close knit family at all. It was in my time. Jeetendra, me and Rishi Kapoor are best of friends even today. That was the industry we were working in. Now just shaking hands that also we don’t know what they mean. Putting up a smile and kissing each other’s cheeks in front of the media. That’s not friendship.” Incidentally, Hrithik Roshan took to Twitter to wish Raees well and SRK replied with same warmth. This is a bit confusing for us, no?
http://www.india.com/showbiz/raees-vs-kaabil-bo-update-hrithik-roshans-revenge-drama-is-all-set-to-beat-shah-rukh-khans-film-1782415/
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January 25, 2017 at 8:21 AM
http://www.india-forums.com/bollywood/hot-n-happening/74276-pictures-from-shah-rukh-khan-tragic-baroda-promotions-stampede.htm
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January 25, 2017 at 8:31 AM
Day 33 (Tue) – 1.01 Cr. Day 32 (Mon) – 0.94 Cr.
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/box-office-special-features/box-office-worldwide-collections-day-wise-breakup-dangal/
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January 25, 2017 at 11:01 AM
Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees promises big but its potential doesn’t get fully unleashed due to its flawed story. After getting a good start, it fails to maintain its momentum, eventually causing a dissatisfying experience.
http://bollywoodfolks.com/raees-review/
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January 25, 2017 at 12:09 PM
I saw the film. It was good overall. The beginning was good . and the end was awesome, really haunting and makes one emotional.
In between there was some good fight and chase scenes, and two finishing off rivals, classy.
And like mentioned before here somewhere, there seems to have some re shots or rewriting involved and some rather sugary buidling of a model city etc..which doesn’t gel well. It does get in the way a bit of the smooth sailing of the story and shows up as the main flow.
Inspite of that, it has the potential to do well. My rating 3.5
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January 25, 2017 at 2:03 PM
flaw*
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January 25, 2017 at 12:23 PM
That’s it then….
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January 25, 2017 at 12:23 PM
Here..i am talking about Raees. I missed mentioning that! 😛
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January 25, 2017 at 12:37 PM
Komal Nahta – @KomalNahta
Raees vs Kaabil (till 8 pm) Grosses at Inox Rs. 3.97 crore v/s 1.34 crore; PVR Rs. 4.50 crore v/s 1.80 crore; total Rs. 8.47 cr v/s 3.14 cr
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January 25, 2017 at 12:48 PM
Split!
M Night Shyamalan surprises pleasantly with this one.
one of those thrillers that will demand repeat watches because of its fantastic execution and James McAvoy’s award worthy performance.
Must watch!
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January 25, 2017 at 12:51 PM
Have heard good things!
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January 25, 2017 at 1:10 PM
Initial is very important these days and when we look at how much Kaabil is lagging behind on its opening shows and most probably its opening day, then it is going to be hard to catch up.
The only way for Kaabil to catch up is if it is a much superior movie than Raees. The reviews till here are slightly more favorable for Kaabil but it does not look like there is that huge leap in terms of quality, like there was, for instance, between BM and Dilwale.
Raees’ initial owes as much to SRK’s stardom as to the impact of its trailer. I have seen a lot of persons who don’t really like SRK at all but going for Raees first. They liked the trailer. It is the kind of masala stuff that he has refrained from doing since his DDLJ days. And that was the main complaint from that part of the audience. From the guy who did Raju BGG, Baazigar and Ram Jaane, he simply stopped doing anything for that audience and got too much in the multi-plex/NRI kind of deals with Yash Raj and Kjo.
Salman understood the issue and went back to his roots with Wanted and Dabangg. SRK has probably left it too late but better late than never.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:17 PM
Oh Hrithik. As if having a mutated crocodile in potentially one of the worst films in recent years (Mohenjo Daro, in case you were wondering) wasn’t enough, you go that extra mile and subject us to this humdrum of a film. Sure. It’s called Kaabil but the only ability it has is to subject its poor, unsuspecting audience to a migraine with the sheer banality of it all. And with Sanjay Gupta at the helm of these rather tired affairs, it seems like it’s a case of the blind leading the blind. Literally.
Read more at http://www.bollybrit.com/reviews-blog/movie-review-kaabil#xjPGFqGDLidgyY8s.99
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January 25, 2017 at 8:24 PM
finally the right assessment – Sanjay G has never made a meaningful film – it is always the show and vanity affair and OTT stuff – i am happy that he has not changed and that means even HR will not be able to save it – a poor weapon to fight SRK
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January 25, 2017 at 1:28 PM
Great response by SRK to the communal bigot Rana Ayyub !!
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/shah-rukh-khan-golden-globe-awards-journalism-why-no-indian-meryl-streep-4490028/lite/
You may write a piece from the point of view that I am doing three back-to-back Muslim characters. With due respect to my professionalism as an actor, I did not even know what my name was in Karan Johar’s Ae Dil Hai Mushkil. I just went for two hours, did some shots and had fun with my friends, Karan, Ranbir (Kapoor) and Aishwarya (Rai Bachchan). I wrapped up around 2 am and partied till 6 am before flying back to Lisbon.
Don’t create a point of view. These are films which were postponed for two years. I would still like to believe that in this day and age, an artist is there to put across entertainment in the best way he or she thinks is possible. We don’t hold the audience responsible or at gun-point that they have to like every movie and point of view.
So, why is it that somewhere down the line, in this race of being the first ones to inform or to be the first ones with a certain point of view, media uses other people? Have the dignity to ask: “Are you with me?” We can both talk about it… Or, are you always going to utilise snippets, bytes, pieces and words to somehow bolster your point of view?
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January 25, 2017 at 3:49 PM
“I just went for two hours, did some shots and had fun with my friends, Karan, Ranbir (Kapoor) and Aishwarya (Rai Bachchan). I wrapped up around 2 am and partied till 6 am before flying back to Lisbon.”
That seems to be the problem with SRK. “Had fun with friends and partied till 6 am” He thinks movie making and acting as part of picnic.
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January 26, 2017 at 5:15 AM
c,mon..that was a 2 minute special appearance!
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January 26, 2017 at 9:59 AM
A tight slap by SRK to Rana Ayyub, Barkha and Anurag Kashyap !!
Sachmuch Desh badal raha hai !!
just for this piece I will watch Raees (on DVD ) now, as opposed to not watching it al all.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:48 PM
Rahul Dravid Turns Down Honorary Degree From Bangalore University
Bangalore University stated in a press release on Thursday that Rahul Dravid ‘has in all humility declined to accept’ the honorary doctorate degree
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January 25, 2017 at 1:50 PM
Indian batting great Rahul Dravid has turned down an honorary doctorate degree offered to him by the Bangalore University, saying he would instead like to earn the degree through academic research in the field of sports.
Dravid grew up in Bangalore and completed his education in the city. The University had wanted to honour Dravid with the degree during its 52nd Annual Convocation Ceremony on January 27, before the former India captain declined.
Bangalore University stated in a press release on Thursday that Dravid had ‘in all humility declined to accept the Hon. Degree’.
“He has conveyed that he would try to earn a Doctorate Degree by accomplishing some form of academic research in the field of sport rather than receiving an Honorary Degree,” it stated.
Rahul Dravid, who had retired from international cricket in 2012, has been mentoring young Indian players in recent times through his roles as coach of the India ‘A’ and U-19 teams.
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/rahil-dravid-turns-down-honorary-doctorate-from-bangalore-university-1652786?pfrom=home-lateststories
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January 25, 2017 at 1:49 PM
Early estimates..
Kaabil – 8 crs
Raees – 22 crs…
Kaabil has just not got off at all….its best chance was Mumbai but Gujrat is all for Raees and Kaabil hasn’t been able to do anything.
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January 25, 2017 at 1:53 PM
I repeat Kaabil won’t go past 50 CR on Sunday, Raees will double that figure.
Roshan’s deserve a beating for lying with K3 numbers. Cheaters never prosper.
Now Salman and SRK can dethrone Aamir with 4 hands, 4 legs, 2 hearts and 1 brain!
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January 25, 2017 at 1:58 PM
You are underestimating Papa Roshans Calculator…
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January 25, 2017 at 2:34 PM
Well that is true. But if it’s wildly out you know again they are cheats…Of course Kaabil has made less than Dear Zindagi on more screens, go figure. Hrithik has washed his career down the toilet since 2006.
SRK prevails but is one mean, cruel guy. Detest him even more now. Ran from Salman and ran back to him to get his 300 CR film. If you can’t beat em, join em. Now I predict TL has a shot at Dangal. But it’s a lose-lose shot.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:05 PM
“Of course Kaabil has made less than Dear Zindagi on more screens, go figure.”
this highlights the film’s opening in the starkest way. No excuse for such a number, with or without competition.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:14 PM
Hrithik has declined massively. He’s lost his pan India presence. Beyond good looks, dancing and his father’s fortunate films that appealed to his strengths, he’s only really got 2-3 other films in a 15 year career. He can barely open a film.
On another note I’m glad Big B did not support his co-stars in 70’s as Rishi Kapoor book states. If praise is like today’s stars, it’s highly superficial and fake.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:53 PM
This is very low number indeed for Kaabil. Public wom is difficult to tell at this point for both movies as they have been mostly watched by fans. But Kaabil really needs huge jump today.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:19 PM
I don’t think Kaabil is that great a film in the first place – it must be having many OTT situations and too much emotions – no real stuff there – so out of both bad films – the less bad looks Raees as it might be high on entertainment for masses….
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January 25, 2017 at 8:21 PM
Rape and darker revenge is not something wants to see often – Aamir (and original Ghajini-maker) was smart enough not to have it in Ghajini – where Asin simply gets killed and no rape-stuff. I think in a country where daily so many rapes are reported – ppl may not be too inclined to see a rape-revenge-dark drama where a blind protagonist behaves like know-it-all…
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January 25, 2017 at 2:11 PM
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2655
Raees Crushes Kaabil On Day One
The Raees and Kaabil clash has turned out to be a very one sided affair on day one with Raees crushing the competition and taking a huge lead. Its unlikely that two major films released on the same day have seen such a big difference in collections on day one. The early estimates are around 21 crore nett for Raees and 7.50 crore nett for Kaabil. The star power of Shahrukh Khan has gunned down the star power of Hrithik Roshan. The latter also came out second best with the clash on Independence Day week as Mohenjo Daro grossed 8.80 crore nett on day one and the competition which was Akshay Kumar’s Rustom grossed 13.92 crore nett. Still there the gap was reasonable but here its looking at a difference of over 13 crore nett just on one day.
Kaabil has performed below the mark all over with some circuits being practically being wiped out due to Raees. The film was never that hot but still a Mohenjo Daro type of number should have come at least as Hrithik Roshan is still one of the top stars. The film needs to pick up big time and that is just to avoid becoming a disaster as it needs double digit numbers for all the days remaining in its extended weekend just to stay afloat.
Raees has scored very well all over especially in Muslim dominated areas,the only area which probably should have done better is Delhi city and East Punjab. The film is not really for these markets and it is because of Shahrukh Khan that the film has at least good collections in Delhi and East Punjab even though they are not as good as the rest of the country. The scored very well in Gujarat, West Bengal and South India. There is a big holiday tomorrow for Republic Day and it should improve further but it will be the Friday-Sunday business that will determine how big the five day weekend turns out to be.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:15 PM
The only good this does is to prevent filmy folks run to pimps like krk to deride others. This kind of thrashing serves well as a forewarning to Dutt biopic. I was thinking VVC/Hirani will take a call after Tubelight run and checking its box office turn and content but this clash will make them think twice or be ready get slaughtered at the ticket windows, not just with the initials but overall as Salman has zoned out towards milky way galaxy. Plus Ranbir is still to develop his fan base even after being in industry for 10 years now.
Keeping above in mind Raees/Kaabil clash outcome will be a documented forewarning.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:23 PM
Hirani won’t care. If it’s ready TZP got unlucky. If it’s not he won’t release. His history suggests he wants to make the right film. He is well intentioned. And BM dominated Dilwale, so Xmas is far more sensible for clashes. I doubt Hirani even cares if TZH is released. He’s chasing excellence remember not success.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:36 PM
Well if you read the newspapers, he is already offering excuses for Christmas release being ” auspicious ” for him……now as per Lage Raho Munna Bhai, I thought he was for anything but ‘auspicious’ & ‘superstitious’. Greenback makes the world go around …may be its pink now since the currency has changed!
Hirani and Aamir time the filming keeping release in mind.
Yes they will be able to build the chatter around clash and get people interested and then at the end of the day blame poor run to clash like what RR will do now though I like both Roshans and feel bad here.
Anyway it’s all still far off and discussion can take place when we get to it if we are still hanging around.
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January 25, 2017 at 2:51 PM
I’m not so naive to believe TZH will murder Dutt film on Day 1. But I’m not that naive to write off a guy who has probably claim to 4 of the best 20 films in last 15 years.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:04 PM
You have a point but all I will say is that Hirani is departing from his feel good social expositions. This is a ‘new’ genre and attempt and his actors may not connect. I for one thought with ADHM, KJO was going to take a shot at 200 cr Diwali patakha. It had everything the chartbuster songs, dances, moments, drama , cast & comedy…..but lacked ‘stars’ to carry it off.
Please don’t compare Sanjay Dutt with a Ranbir because at one time after Bachchan he was the only worthy successor to superstardom but for his personal turbulences and turmoils….
Yes Hirani has already asserted to make Dutt biopic humorous / lighter fun movie but Dutt life has been too dark and core audience may get put off by a complete lie….so it may work on one level but miss the boat on another !
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January 25, 2017 at 8:17 PM
but of-course he would love to avoid clash with Sallu – because Sallu is still a formidable force at the BO atleast for first week – he will sweep away all the audiences so RH without an Aamir is likely to tumble – Raju Hirani’s name as Producer in Sala Khadoos did no good to the film’s disastrous run……
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January 25, 2017 at 2:17 PM
Bobby Deol On Lost Stardom, Plans Of Reviving It, And How Imtiaz Ali Seemingly Screwed Him Over
http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2017/01/25/bobby-deol-on-lost-stardom-plans-of-reviving-it-and-how-appare/
Do you like the current crop of actors?
Alia Bhatt is amazing. So are the rest of them. But I still feel there’s something missing in them. I wanted to watch Alia’s Highway but I couldn’t get myself to.
Why?
I was to do it. I was also to do Jab We Met. Back then, it was titled Geet. I had seen Socha Na Tha and instantly reached out to Imtiaz saying that he’s an incredible storyteller with a terrific future. I told him that I wanted to work with him and he had the script of (what is now) Jab We Met ready. He was looking for financiers.
There was a studio called Shri Ashtavinayak who wanted to sign me. I told them that let’s sign Imtiaz. He has a script ready. And let’s talk to Kareena Kapoor (Bobby had worked with Bebo in Ajnabee). The producers were like, oh no, that guy will make an expensive film. Kareena, on the other hand, didn’t even want to meet Imtiaz. I took them to Preity (his close friend and Soldier co-star). She agreed but said she can do it only after 6 months. So we were stuck.
Days passed. And suddenly I read that Ashtavinayak has signed Imtiaz for Jab We Met and Kareena is doing the film! And she had gotten her then boyfriend, Shahid Kapoor to act opposite her. I was like, wow. Quite an industry. We were also to do Highway together but he again did his own thing. But I have no hard feelings against him. He is a great director and doing so well. We’re still friends. But I always tell him: ‘Imtiaz, I won’t watch any of your films until you make one with me. That’ll be your best film.”
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January 25, 2017 at 3:30 PM
I am disappointed on Hrithik’s failure, now he is down to the level of the also rans, he made stupid decisions after another and has lost the single screen roots that he got due to D2 and KNPH etc. Well as far as SRK is concerned, he is in the game big time. A 150 Cr number for Raees will mean SRK will gain the momentum for his Imitiaz Ali starrer and back that up with his special appearance in TL, this will be his master plan to gear up for his Christmas release with Anand L Rai, for which he would be focused on 300 cr + Number.
Somehow i dont get this rhetoric of Muslim Dominated Areas? Anyways SRK bouncing back is good.
Then i think Aamir is missing this spotlight like Salman and SRK but then i see the Mega Blockbuster and Critical Appreciation of the movies is with him. Thats his strength and he will continue to go after it.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:55 PM
We should wait till Saturday numbers for both movies to see where they are heading. SRK movies opens big (even Fan) then starts to fizzle out due to quality/wom.
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January 25, 2017 at 3:57 PM
#Kaabil Republic day advance is Amazing , thrice better then day-1 . Expect 14-15 crs collection tomorrow. @iHrithik @RakeshRoshan_N
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January 25, 2017 at 4:40 PM
Wouldn’t ‘thrice better’ mean 24-25 CR based on the 8.5 CR day 1?
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January 25, 2017 at 5:11 PM
He is only referring to “advance booking” of Kaabil for day 1 to republic day(2nd day) booking, I think.
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January 25, 2017 at 5:19 PM
Yes lets not take that as actual 3 times multiplier from day 1.
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January 25, 2017 at 5:19 PM
An absorbing conversation from the best male performers of 2016 with Rajeev Masand:
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January 26, 2017 at 7:18 AM
Sardar jee is so grounded and endearing !!
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January 25, 2017 at 5:21 PM
As per the trade estimates, Raees 1st day box office collection will be in the range of 21.50 crores. The film has fared very well in the late night shows.
https://www.bollyarena.net/raees-1st-day-box-office-collection/
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January 25, 2017 at 5:30 PM
Harsha Bhogle unplugged: Candid truths on BCCI sack, Big B, insecurity in cricket
By Akshay Sawai, ET Bureau | Updated: 23 Jan, 2017, 16:29 hrs IST
Nearly a year since Harsha Bhogle’s controversial ouster from the commentary box, he is in his unpretentious South Mumbai office, in jeans and black sneakers, humming `Chhoti si asha’. But there is another piece of music we discuss -`Mai pal do pal ka shaayar hoon’.
In his tribute to MS Dhoni on cricbuzz.com, Bhogle revealed that `Mai pal do pal’ was the former Indian captain’s favourite song. It’s all transitory, the song says. It is also the right philosophy, perhaps, for Bhogle to embrace as he deals with his professional setback.
“I do think I take that approach [now]. Initially, I took it very badly, I’ll be honest,” Bhogle says, a window to his right, and behind him a `Friends of Australia’ poster. He speaks softly but is engaged in the conversation, which is evident from the varying pitch of his seasoned voice. Candid statements are likely to be made in a flat tone.Emotional ones are delivered almost in a hoarse whisper, supported by gesticulation and a narrowing of eyes.
“No one told me what the matter [the reason for his sacking] was,” he says. “If someone had said `You’re not good enough’, that would’ve been fine. Some big players have been told that.Suppose I was told I violated a broadcasting ethic, even that would have been fine. But nobody could look me in the face and tell me, `This is the reason’. Eventually, I said if that’s what it is, that’s what it is. It’s been the biggest learning experience of my career.Offers started coming right away. Everyone thinks doors are shut, which is true… (pause)…but windows are open.”
Bhogle’s video blogs on Cricbuzz have received over 50 million views. And with his wife Anita, who runs a corporate speaking program, he has done 47 events since April 2016.
The Bachchan factor
An irony is brought to Bhogle’s notice.
`Mai pal do pal’ was filmed on Amitabh Bachchan, the man whose tweet about a telecast last year reportedly led to the commentator’s exit. Bachchan felt the commentators should have spoken more about Indian players. It was an oblique reference to Bhogle. Dhoni shared Bachchan’s tweet and fanned the flames.
“We are different people in different situations,” Bhogle says about the tweet. “I actually wrote to Mr Bachchan. I sent him a DM [Direct Message], saying how for the past 40 years I have admired him.
Amitabh Bachchan’s tweet about a telecast reportedly led to Bhogle’s exit.
When I was in college in Hyderabad, and if his film was releasing on Friday, a friend of mine would bunk class on Monday to get tick ets for the Saturday show.I also admired him for the dignity with which he carried himself. And I said in the message to him that given a chance, I will be happy to come and explain things to him.” Bhogle says Bachchan sent him a delayed but long reply. He does not reveal what the message said. “It was polite,” Bhogle says.
Bhogle, however, maintains it is worrisome that there is growing acceptance that broadcasters should align themselves on one side. “What I did explain [to Bachchan] was that on the Hindi telecast, we were very India-centric, though not biased, because the telecast was going only to this market. But we couldn’t do that with the English telecast, as it was going to various countries. In the past, Indian listeners would get angry when foreign commentators did not speak enough about the Indian team. We cannot be like that to the others.”
Advice to Dravid
“I can feel insecure at times,” Bhogle says. This is surprising given his popularity and body of work. Somewhere, success must have changed him. Not much, he says. He credits Anita for keeping him grounded. “My wife will not let that happen,” he says.
And it is for that reason he once told Rahul Dravid something.
“I remember telling Rahul many years ago, `Rahul, do any thing, don’t marry a fan’,” Bhogle says. “You must have someone who’ll tell you when you are do ing something wrong. That you were arrogant that day. You were insensitive that day. But if you mar ry a fan, who’s going to tell you that?
And I worry about some of our younger players because one of the problems with making money very early is everyone wants a piece of you. It happens a lot to our movie stars.”
The golden generation
Bhogle’s reply when asked who his friends in Indian cricket comes in an instant, “I don’t know. Sometimes it’s good not to have too many.” And then with some pain he says, “But I do miss the generation that’s gone. Sachin [Tendulkar], Rahul [Dravid], Anil [Kumble], Sourav [Ganguly], Srinath, [VVS] Laxman… It was a beautiful generation, where I never had to worry about what I’m saying. When Sachin was struggling, I once said, `Here’s an emperor walking the streets like a common man’. I did not hear back from anyone that, `Sachin did not like that’.
I could be completely frank, to the extent that Sourav on air asked me my opinion on something. I declined and told Sourav that he was the one who had played at the highest level. And he said, `How many World Cups have you covered? Go ahead, I want to know what you think’.”
The young don’t care about reputations
Not every player-turned-commentator has been gracious to Bhogle as Ganguly. Few viewers care about the position of the elbow yada-yada-yada, and yet ex-players make a big deal about their credentials over those who have not played professional cricket. “The image created in our cricket is if you haven’t played, you can’t live,” Bhogle says. “It stems from insecurity and arrogance. How many trucks did Ratan Tata drive? Does it mean he can’t run his company? It’s a very narrow way of looking at things.”
The only way for non-players to become commentators in this era, Bhogle says, is if TV bosses accept that the telecast is going to a wide audience. And you need people who relate to the wider audience, not a niche one. “The new generation of Indians is intolerant of reputations,” Bhogle says.”They’ll say `so what if you have played 50 Tests. Are you telling me a good story?
http://m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/harsha-bhogle-unplugged-candid-truths-on-bcci-sack-big-b-insecurity-in-cricket/articleshow/56724924.cms
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January 25, 2017 at 7:35 PM
Back from RAEES!! Well, this is one of the wholesome films from SRK in ages. The film starts well with Raees childhood who gets his mother’s sayings and then start to live by them in his life. The whole graph from child to adult by working under someone and then trying to open his own business by using his brains is done very well. Then slowly becoming a thorn to other goons, he slowly and steadily kills his competetion to become the ultimate king of illegal liquor smuggling. Once he comes he has all police, politicians under his thump except a no-nonsense honest cop in Majumdar played by Nawazuddin.
The first half is pretty much very smooth sailing and no hurdles. The 2nd half time shifts as Raees plans to move into construction by building a colony for their area people. Here he is caught between politicians trick and sent to jail. To come out if jail, he runs elections and become victorious. Soon the colony plan gets stopped and then he ends up doing something unknowingly which forms the basis for climax and end. The 2nd half could have been something else but it has been integrated well but still it just makes the movie heavy and not repeat watchable to an extent.
SRK is in terrific form and its a full display of emotions without hardly any disinterested/loose scenes. Even though it is not full realistic movie but SRK has been in total sync with the character and never stepped out to display his regular mannerisms. Nawaz performed simply great and is actually scene stealer at places (with smart dialogues to his aid) and rises above role’s potential. Mahira Khan looked better than promos and did fine job as its more of supporting role to Raees’s character and not of real lead role. From the rest of the cast Zeeshan Ayub did good and all smaller actors like Atul Kulkarni, Narendra Jha, Jaideep Ahlawat etc had good characters to play around.
Music is fine with couple of great tracks including Laila song. The songs could have been major hindrance(still is to a minor extent) but has been integrated very well and there’s story montages in all songs and none of them are item or added songs such can be skipped.
The main strength of the movie is performances by SRK and Nawaz and their dialogues. Both of their looks are great with SRK pathanis and sweater look for cop. Action sequences are fine. Sets and all settings of 70’s, 80’s are done well and it is good visual to see old phones and not mobile phones on screen.
The proceedings and violence and heavy base might keep away women audience and that will limit the business. The movie is also little heavy to have easy multiple watches on big screen. That could also limit the final total. 10 mins trimming in 2nd half could help. Still as my expectation said earlier, this movie might end up doing 160 to 180 crores which would be good success considering the subject material and presentation. Unless the audience really takes on the movie and crosses 200cr which I can’t predict now and would be huge hit.
Overall, movie is RECOMMENDED!!
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January 25, 2017 at 7:35 PM
Kaabil Review tomorrow!
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January 25, 2017 at 7:55 PM
Great to see you! Ad thanks for the review. Seems like a definite one time watch.
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January 25, 2017 at 8:33 PM
Thanks Sandyi. I forgot to mention but Rahul Dholakia has good eye for detail and setting up the whole gone by era is itself an achievement. Besides having great dialogues there is constant use of intelligent signs and not spoon-feeding masses type of tone consistently. This movie could have turned out badly in the hands of an average director.
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January 25, 2017 at 9:37 PM
I thot Mahira Khan was clever casting. She had the authentic looks to be the character easily and acted well as a wife who stood with him always. No high points, but stable throughout.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:45 AM
Yes Mahira was fine and looked lot better than the couple of scenes in promos. I know the folks who are disliking or hating her is not for her looks or acting but for something else.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:00 PM
Master, after long time? Was everything OK?
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January 26, 2017 at 5:07 AM
Reason of his absence is obvious to everyone.Dangal decimating records left,right and centre,now that dangal has finished it’s run,he is present.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:42 PM
Was wondering where were you…anyways good to hear this.
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January 25, 2017 at 10:50 PM
Thanks Krish/Mac21. Everything ‘outside’ this blog was okay! 🙂
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January 26, 2017 at 1:01 AM
Nice to see you back & hoping to watch it soon!
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January 25, 2017 at 11:16 PM
Raees starts like a riot today..80 plus percentage start..hard to predict a total for today so early as single screens are driving it in a big way
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January 26, 2017 at 5:56 AM
looks like kaabil is roaring today,
KRKVerified account @kamaalrkhan 1h1 hour ago
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Today #Kaabil is rocking in single screens. Single screen shows are almost full, while yesterday’s occupancy was 20-25% only.
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HrithikRoshan’s #Kaabil showing very good jump today . At some places the jump was very big . @ihrithik @yamigautam @filmkraftfilms
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#Kaabil Wed ₹ 10.43 cr… Biz should escalate today [Thu; Republic Day].
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January 26, 2017 at 6:07 AM
Raees showing 15-20% jump & kaabil 100%+ growth..!
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January 26, 2017 at 12:17 AM
I might sound crazy but if Delhi and east Punjab jumps huge then raees has an outside chance of touching 30 cr on 3400 screens. And we could have the biggest single day going past 40 cr of Dangal. Still a big if as of now though..
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January 26, 2017 at 12:29 AM
Yes for now there is certainly a chance for 30 crores collection. Even if it falls at 28, it can still beat Dangal’s 40cr with Kaabil getting at least 13 crores.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:41 AM
Master, how you liked the ending?
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January 26, 2017 at 12:43 AM
I liked the ending.. it makes perfect sense. I don’t think there could have been another ending for this movie.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:59 AM
Yes. True. truly realistic. I would rate it up there in endings and a high point for the film..if not the highest.
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January 26, 2017 at 5:01 AM
MASTER Dangal was 41cr+.
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January 26, 2017 at 1:13 AM
Roshan’s calculator has detected bigger upticks so it’s double digits for first day! Psychologically it’s better to be out for 10 then 8.
How dishonest can a guy be? 10.4 CR. At what point does the calculations take over Raees???
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January 26, 2017 at 3:46 AM
These collections include the Tamil and Telegu versions. I don’t know how much they’ve reported for the Hindi version on its own. But it doesn’t seem they are being too dishonest as far as the first day is concerned.
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January 26, 2017 at 4:12 AM
Including regional language it is not more than 8
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January 26, 2017 at 8:23 AM
There is no way dubbed version can do 2 cr in s day. Dangal did 12 to 13 cr in 5 weeks
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January 26, 2017 at 5:49 AM
yeah the numbers for Raees seem to be the same all round.. while with Kaabil there’s already an important differential!
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January 26, 2017 at 2:01 AM
Raees seems to have bumper opening again with 80% morning occupancy. Kaabil too seems to have taken huge jump with 60-65%. Lets see how close it gets by end of the day/evening shows. As per the industry tweets.
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January 26, 2017 at 3:20 AM
Tennis no longer just a young person’s sport. William’s sisters into final, both 35+ years old. Quite remarkable!
Greatness on court soon!
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January 26, 2017 at 4:30 AM
First set goes to Fed
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January 26, 2017 at 8:36 AM
We are stuck in a 10 year time warp.
– SRK is a big star again
– Williams sisters in a final
– Nadal vs. Federer is a possibility
– Aamir is still not a star
– American share market hitting record levels
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January 26, 2017 at 8:41 AM
jay bhai baaki sab to theek hai par
Aamir is still not a star kaha se ho gaya
only one word ‘Dangal’.
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January 26, 2017 at 8:48 AM
and a moron occupies the whitehouse and will probably (make that def) start an unnecessary war.
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January 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM
Yes of course, but democracy allows for morons. You made your bed now lie in it
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January 26, 2017 at 8:53 AM
Jay,
I know I am a big fan of tennis but roid era. Nadal, Djokovic, Stan, Serena etc all dopers. Perhaps Fed too but his style of play does not give that impression. Especially he gets tired in long matches. Look up for “curious case of Nadal”
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January 26, 2017 at 3:27 AM
Watched Kaabil, good watch but thats it. Nothing much to rave about. I found the treatment too simplistic . The main protagonist didn’t have to struggle much in this revenge saga, it should have been more dramatic. Performances wise it’s Hrithik film and he is terrific, didnt like Yami Gautam much.
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January 26, 2017 at 4:43 AM
I think evening shows of both movies will be impacted due to cricket match somewhat
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January 26, 2017 at 4:43 AM
Dangal did more biz on tuesday than on monday.when did this last happened.
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January 26, 2017 at 4:44 AM
Producer’s no. for Kaabil wed is 10.43 cr.calculator is on.
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January 26, 2017 at 5:45 AM
Kaabil Has Low Day One
Thursday 26 January 2017 11.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Kaabil had a low start on day one and could not really pick up the pace and collected just 7.75-8 crore nett on day one. Krrish in 2006 had collected 6 crore nett on just 900 screens which this film on almost three times the screens and almost 11 years later hardly does much better. Kites in 2010 managed to open to 10 crore nett plus on 1600 screens. It sort of puts into perspective the initial of the film. The film did have a issue on release as a multiplex chain dropped its shows on day of release to favour Raees. But even here that multiplex chain had little choice as it had only opened advances a day earlier and seeing the difference in advances they would be losing business if they did not give Raees more screenings. Also it hardly makes any difference as if you can’t collect on an X amount of shows you are hardly likely to do better if you have more shows, in fact its the opposite the occupancy will drop further..
The collections were not even able to match Mohenjo Daro which was Hrithik Roshan’s last release and also clashed with another film Rustom but maybe it has to be taken into account that Raees is a bigger film than Rustom. This is something the makers should also have seen and released Kaabil a couple of weeks earlier. The film has not collected well anywhere but places like West Bengal, Bihar and Gujarat are even worse. The hope is probably that its a big national holiday for Republic Day and there is huge spare capacity for the film so the potential is there for big jump in business. The bigger problem is that if the huge jump does somehow come is that it will have to hold at those levels on Friday and over the weekend.
The film was also released in Tamil and telugu which grossed around 25 lakhs nett.
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January 26, 2017 at 5:46 AM
Raees Has Strong First Day
Thursday 26 January 2017 11.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raees did very well on day one as it grossed 20.25-20.50 crore nett on day one. The film easily beat the competition of Kaabil as it put up far higher numbers. The business of the film is similar to Dilwale released in 2015 but on the face of it that was a bigger film for an initial although eventually the content was not accepted in India. The film scored very strongly in Mumbai, South and West Bengal while CP Berar was also strong. The other markets were decent to good with the under performance coming in East Punjab. Delhi city was also lower but the whole DUP circuit recovered somewhat with the business of UP. The film having a Gujarat base and flavor probably affected the collections up North. South India should also not being these numbers for a mass film like this but the Shahrukh Khan factor worked there big time.
Despite a big first day the film and Kaabil not being much of a factor on day one it would still probably have done 4-5 crore nett more if it was a solo release. It managed to get 3400 screens which is good for a clash but the fact is you get less of those peak time screenings with a clash and even if the other film is not really collecting you can’t afford to have less peak time shows as that is when collections are best.
There is a big national holiday and collections will jump in most places though places which are strong like South and West Bengal may not show huge growth as they are already high. North India will show good growth but the Friday business in north is more crucial as if the film sustains there then it will definitely emerge a winner. The opening day number is the fourth highest ever for a Shahrukh Khan starrer after Happy New Year, Chennai Express and Dilwale.
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January 26, 2017 at 6:32 AM
rohit jaiswal @rohitjswl01 2h2 hours ago
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#Raees 26-27 cr today… @iamsrk… #Kaabil 16-17cr today… @iHrithik…
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January 26, 2017 at 7:04 AM
Don’t know what has happened to srk but he is even sharing screenshots of advance booking
iamsrk @ DM FAV RT ? 3 hours ago
Koi bola Delhi ka dhanda behtar ho sakta hai. Aaj dikha doh. https://twitter.com/harish_srkian/status/824536722046382080
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January 26, 2017 at 8:05 AM
Who is this person who is getting embarrassed by what SRK is tweeting? 😀
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January 26, 2017 at 9:53 AM
LOL at even newcomers don’t do that ….
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January 26, 2017 at 10:05 AM
at this rate when Raees will do 100 cr – he will be declared poor man’s aamir and Raees will be declared as 300 cr hit – BOI ki daring or SRK ka dimaag 😉
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January 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM
He is just retweeting and responding to his fan club (SRKCHENNAI)…Pretty standard practice down south where actors speak with their fan clubs..
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January 26, 2017 at 7:05 AM
Wishing everyone at SS a very Happy Republic Day !!
https://twitter.com/BurjKhalifa/status/824533066790109185
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February 1, 2017 at 2:43 PM
Wishing everyone ( specially members from Didi’s Bengal) a very happy Basant Panchami !!!
Naman Saraswati Maa !!
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January 26, 2017 at 8:00 AM
That’s beautiful ! Burj Khalifa, world’s tallest looking fantastic in
India colours. Fountains were playing Vande Mataram & Jai Ho.
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January 26, 2017 at 10:08 AM
Happy Republic Day.
Bharat Maata ki JAI
Rula diya Salman ne aaj
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January 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM
Happy Republic Day Di… Aaj to gazab ho gaya jo STAR ne aap ko rula diya, hume to lagta thaa ye kaam sirf aur sirf MB hi kar sakte hain 😉
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January 26, 2017 at 9:38 AM
The screen count was 50-50 today and Raees will touch 26 crs and Kaabil will touch 14 crs. All the Roshan crying for 40% 1st day actually helped them get better shows at least on important day.
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January 26, 2017 at 9:49 AM
I think it will be more like raees around 23 crs and kaabil around 17 if we go by all the posts above.
I wonder if both or one will tank starting tomorrow
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January 26, 2017 at 11:43 AM
Kaabil hasn’t done much in non metros even today. All those talk is only about big cities. I will go with masters numbers..
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January 26, 2017 at 10:19 AM
Watched Raees, a one time watch. Liked the first half, was entertaining despite routine stuff, but the film loses momentum in the second half.Its overly stretched and plays on your nerves many a times. Didnt like the ending too. Performances wise SRK is first rate, Nawaz is good but I dont think he overshadows SRK at any point. Mahira Khan has nothing much too.
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January 26, 2017 at 10:36 AM
Honestly to say, it is SRK’s Agneepath. Even though not iconic as Amitabh’s one, it had same dark done to it especially in 2nd half. Agneepath also flopped during its time due to its dark tone. Now a days public is little more aware so will give it a chance and might turn out to be hit(needs 150 crs to be Hit).
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January 26, 2017 at 11:59 AM
I think film faltered a bit due to bad editing in second half. A better second half would have it a very good watch.
SRK was terrific, won’t agree with anyone who says otherwise. Dont know why some are saying that Nawazuddin overshadowed him.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:06 PM
In praising Nawaz, people are going overboard. He was very good but Raees belongs to SRK completely!
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January 26, 2017 at 12:08 PM
Also, I don’t think its editing issue. The sequences were sharp but it was heavy and little dark and that lost the momentum. I don’t think it can be blamed on editing though. Though seeing the drop, they should have edited 10 mins out as I said in my review.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:41 PM
I saw Mayank Shekhar saying on a comparison between two films that Raees had too much material, that it should have been longer!
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January 26, 2017 at 12:50 PM
It is another way of getting back at SRK and his fans! 😛
Nawazudheen was adequate, cold, clever and indifferent. There wasnt a fight, even a chase scene between him and Raees, to really involve him in action. Maybe it is somewhat due to the reputation also, that him just being there means terrific acting..a parallel cinema kind of track..
I liked the sidekick role actor, named Sadiq in the movie, more. And I am thankful, the cliche of the sidekick dying somewhere towards the end was avoided in the movie!
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January 26, 2017 at 12:21 PM
Agreepath required multiplex era to work .. audience in 1990 (Majority was lower working class) was not smart enough to get the voice change over by Amitabh, they thought it is some sound issue. At that time 60-70% cinemas were talkies with Dabba sound .. Agneepath required technologically advanced theater for experience. Still movie got around 3 Crore audience in long run which was not bad .. but bachchan standard for event movies was much higher. Coolie drew more than 8 Crore footfalls .. which was highest of 80’s decade.
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January 26, 2017 at 3:17 PM
I doubt it had anything to do with multiplex and audience taste.It was a bakwas movie and badly directed. Mukul Anand was selling him all the baloney and Khuda Gawah was another ott idiocy making him be different. There were two major flaws in this movie which turned off the ‘movie paying audience’ and one was Bachchan’s experimentation with his voice trying to do a hoarse Marlon Brando (Godfather) or a Al Pacino (Scarface) and then there was all the hamminess throughout the movie……playacting to be precise.
A major part of all the parody we get on comedy nights etc these days with ‘hainnn’ and ‘aayee saala’ and ‘apun ko’ etc may have originated during this stage of his career. Suddenly the all appealing ‘apun saala’ , ‘ kai ko’ and ‘phodh dalegaa’ of Amar Akbar Anthony became a sore visual in the later part his innings…. Look at the scene in the link below and compare this to what he was doing in Don, Deewar and Trishul or even with the famous drunkard scene of AAA…….actors degenerate with time.
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January 27, 2017 at 12:16 AM
This ridiculousness has gone on for too long. I stay away from commenting on such comments but there’s some straw that breaks the camel’s back.
**It was a bakwas movie and badly directed. Mukul Anand was selling him all the baloney and Khuda Gawah was another ott idiocy making him be different. **
Any hardly-dying or a driving-hard-drunk fan of Salman Khan ‘Bhai’ has NO business talking of ‘acting’ credentials of other actors. Period. As Amitabh says in PINK, actor-manual number 1 – Fans of an ‘actor’ who has not evolved beyond a freaking 2-note expressions since 1989 hardly has any business even using words like ‘hamminess’ associated to an actor like Dhawan let alone Amitabh Bachchan. This is literally like Suresh Kalmadi commenting on the honesty of an Anna Hazare or a ‘Bhai’ commenting on the driving capabilities of a Schumacher.
AGNEEPATH is a ‘bad’ film!!! What the hell? It was the 1990s. In 1989, you had the seminal PARINDA and in ’88, you had NAYAKAN. Mukul Anand made a film that was a technological re-working of DEEWAR – a very, very promising director. The intent was that. There was an evolving ‘technology’ in the mood.
Yes, no doubt it was heavily lifted from SCARFACE and DEEWAR but the brilliant honesty with which Mukul shot the film was outstanding. Consider the scene where Amitabh talks of the ‘dishonesty’ of a phone conversation; or his confrontation with Deepak Shirke and the slimy mud fight: This is histrionics of the highest order – a fantastic depiction IN LINE with the pitch the movie aimed for: Not for some stupid reason has Amitabh’s act become a cult-classic on which the mathematically-challenged Roshan’s son piggy-rode on AGNEEPATH and made a PAANIPATH of a film with his shedding bucket of tears whether there was a scheduled power-shut down in his chawl or whether Chopra decided to have a lunatic birthday song.
I mean, I should really not take this comment seriously but for a Salman Khan fan to comment on Amitabh is the height of whatever you want to call it — an actor who Satyjajit Ray WISHED would have worked with but had to be content with having a voice-over in SHATRANJ KE KHILADI: An actor whom Desai would scold when Amitabh wound up on his shoot after working with Mukherjee that one is out of Hrishikesh’s shoot and now is in MANMOHAN’s world – and it would take all of 5 minutes for this actor to straddle the world of Desai and Hrishikesh or Sippy or chatterjee’s films.
This actor’s ‘hamminess’ is talked about by a fan of an actor who has carried the same expressions as tweeted by his father right from his birth!!
Go figure..
As ‘Bhai’ himself says: When we made PHIR MILENGE – a meaningful film – SAALA EK KUTTA BHI NAHI AAYA DEKHNE KO — this is Salman the ‘actor’ trying to ‘act’ sitting on a wheel-chair…yes, here, he himself is handling the wheel-chair..
Satyam, I know we all don’t like CIGAETTE SMOKING IS INJURIOUS TO HEALTH at the corner of the screens but I think you should start implementing it on certain comments..
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January 27, 2017 at 8:47 AM
Yes please start blocking and banning comments the minute inadequacies of the so called ‘Devta of acting’ and ‘God of cricket’ are sighted. So much for representative and impartial commenting…… Please don’t bully and indulge in ‘thought control’ just because it differs from your point of view at ‘any given time’. I say ‘any given time’ because choices / thoughts / likings change and we are public and we decide what is good and bad if anyone is putting himself up there in the public arena. Something I may have revered earlier may be a target of my antipathy because I am the master of my own choices at any given time.
Members here abuse, ridicule and deride Salman so many times and do I get riled up? I just offer an alternative side of Salman which many miss here which is why he is where he is outside this blog. And what is this about a Salman fan not fit to talk about ‘acting’ baloney? Just few weeks back I listed all the great hindi movies I loved in the last decade and except BB where the fuck is there any mention of Salman movies there. So being a fan of a particular star I cannot enjoy and comment on movie of anyone else because you ‘own’ that actor?
I accept I am not a good writer but with my limited vocabulary I just offered a point of view on Agneepath which I had disliked just the way I hated SRK’s Don. I hated Mukul Anand (god rest his soul in peace) because he tried to film scene in hollywood style with bull shit lighting and angles and failed. As regular viewer / audience I was disturbed I could not make a shit out there and saw a great actor getting butchered on screen. Thats why I offered a link with that evidence. I could freakin spam the shit out of this blog with hundreds of such hammy links but I don’t do that.
Well if it pleases you I can stop commenting if my commenting is hurting your feelings. But my two cents to people here please counter comment on the content without getting personal as no celebrity is our mai baap and even if we praise them repetitively or criticize them like a broken record. Questioning people intellect, or how dumb they are to think like this or that, a person needs to be from Bihar if he/she does not enjoy a multiplex movie etc…. I will suggest tone it down if you don’t wish to be insulted yourself. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.
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January 27, 2017 at 10:58 AM
An Jo you can continue with your thought process. My comment was just my frustrations with Bollywood faltering whenever they have attempted a Indian Pacino / Godfather. BV was hidden behind that Mumbai Fables novel shit but all along it was Kashyap trying to do a Pacino of Scarface with Ranbir. These movies cannot be generated at anybody’s whims and the process is time consuming. There is a story behind Marlon Brando preparation and how he stuffed his cheeks with cotton wool to get those famous jowls of Vito Corleone and to date remains a fascinating character on screen. That is the dedication and preparation required which unfortunately barring Aamir none posses in Hindi cinema at the moment or even before.
I have already said SRK keepings falling flat in that genre with Raam Jaane, Duplicate, Don and then there was Dilwale lately. I have not seen Raees but will check it out this weekend. Aamir knows his limitations so never experimented with that genre and in fact backed out from even a Darr with negative shades something which was so well flushed out and made SRK the superstar we know.
Surprisingly Devgn has been the best gangsta for me in Hindi movies whether it was playing a Dawood Ibrahim in Company or Othello take in Omkara. He even did well as Haji Mastan with Once Upon a Time in Mumbai. The best gangster Indian movie for me is still Satya and loved that ‘quiet’ Chakravarty guy. I have fondness for gangsters when they are quiet and talk less rather doing chapad chapad like a cheapster. Bachchan in original Don was thoroughly enjoyable for those very reasons. Even Dilip Kumar was fantastic in Vidhaata. Yes Salman too in tapori gangster mode in Wanted worked for me though it had a twist in the end.
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January 29, 2017 at 12:47 AM
**Please don’t bully and indulge in ‘thought control’ just because it differs from your point of view at ‘any given time’. I say ‘any given time’ because choices / thoughts / likings change and we are public and we decide what is good and bad if anyone is putting himself up there in the public arena. **
Livewire, please don’t turn this around and try to lay a guilt trip. This is NOT about whether one likes anyone or dislikes. This is about ‘consistency’ in one’s thought-process. If one is so interested in dissecting ‘minute’ inadequacies of Amitabh as an actor, it wouldn’t be a stretch to expect that one dissects one’s idol with the same scissor.
Honestly, the only question I have for yo is:
1) How-ever many bums on the seat Salman might bring in, is he on par, or, a ‘better’ star-actor than Amitabh?
If your answer to the above question is YES, then there is nothing left to be discussed.
If no, then just for your information, here’s what PETER NAPSTAD — you know, those folks who are used to stuff like
Stalinslavsky’s method acting — wrote on Amitabh in Agneepath –
“But Amitabh is great. Granted, Amitabh is nearing fifty at this point and perhaps not the best choice for yet another “angry young man” performance, but he nails it anyway. He had been in politics — had been encouraged by his friend, then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, and was elected in 1984. But he gave up his seat in parliament before his term was up, having been implicated in one of the biggest scandals of Gandhi’s government, in which it was claimed that the Swedish Bofors field gun company paid huge bribes to Congress politicians and officials in order to win a big $1.3 billion contract to supply weapons to the Indian Army. Bachchan stepped down, and fought implications of his involvement in the conspiracy in court and in the media. At the same time he vowed to never enter government again. And suddenly, there is AGNEEPATH. He had walked the path of fire, he was ridiculed by the people, but he was still standing. And not only that, he is just about unstoppable. There are a couple TERMINATOR-like moments that are just fabulous. Sure, you can put a few bullets in Vijay, but so what? As he tells his opponents early on in the film, as he lays his gun on the table, “Bullets will not decide who wins this contest. Fate will decide it.”” [http://www.illuminatedlantern.com/cinema/review/archives/agneepath.php]
And here’s Rangan, who, clearly states that this isn’t one of his favorite Amitabh’s performances, but still conveys how it was important that Amitabh performed the way he performed –
” At no point in Agneepath was I able to buy Hrithik Roshan as a gangster. The Bachchan performance in the earlier film is not one of my favourites – but even amidst the very showy (and distracting) histrionics, we were never allowed to lose sight of the anger within the character. And without that anger, there is no fire – no matter how many times you recite Agneepath.”
As I mentioned in one of my comments on DANGAL, ‘showiness’, at some stage or other of an actor’s life, comes into picture [Kamal Haasan in MAHANADI]. But bare-bones are revealed when one is thrown out of one’s comfort zone or lethargy – Kamal Hassan’s performance post-superstardom on the heels of Mohanlal’s DRISHYAM – blew me out of my mind and is a case in PAPANASAM is a case in point. That is the ‘true’ strength of a star-actor: Because the innate talent is never lost; it is just invested away in a locker to bring it back when a film ‘demand’s it; and the success of a star-actor is when he or she is able to ‘command’ such talent at his or her will.
Could you please provide us folks any evidence of such ‘evolution’ or ‘devolution’ in the career of Salman Khan as an ‘actor’?
When Nawaz says that ‘Bhai’ won’t give a ‘second’ take you dismiss it off as the result of Salman’s ‘prodigious’ talent, and then, in the same breath, you question Amitabh’s ‘haminess’ in AGNEEPATH?? You talk of Brando stuffing cotton balls in his jowls, but then talk of ‘connection’ to the audience that Salman has as the MOST important thing ever!!
I, for one, have never said that Amitabh cannot be bad in a film. He was at his WORST in SHOOTOUT AT LOKHANDWALA.It was as though he was ‘doing’ a job there. It had indifference written all over it. But Amitabh’s performance in AGNEEPATH or KHUDA GAWAH can hardly be considered ‘hammy.’
And your comparison of Amitabh’s performance in DON to his performance in AGNEEPATH is totally, completely wrong. They are TOTALLY 2 different worlds, with only the word DON uniting them..
PS: It would be encouraging for you to read the way Amitabh portrayed his role in DEEWAR in his posts..here..
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January 29, 2017 at 12:49 AM
And a point to remember, these responses of mine have come after your UMPTEEN attempts at trying to bring ‘attention’ to Amitabh’s ‘haminess’. After restraining myself for long, I had to write on the double standards; and this will be the final outing.
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January 29, 2017 at 12:53 PM
The answer to your question is a big NO. Have I ever mentioned anywhere that Salman is better star-actor than a Bachchan or even comparable? In fact may be not even 10% when Bachchan is in top form. Since you brought it up and on an aside why can’t we at the same time admit that Salman phenomenon is much more intelligent than you and many here credit him for being accomplished, savvier with required skill set for his profession and is not all dhinka chika bhaandgiri. He is no Rajesh Khanna who went phuss like a fad after couple of years. Ideally he should have been out of circulation by late 90s if his antics were just a passing fancy. There is more depth to him then this blog credits him. (Anyways that is for another time to discuss)
My comment was about a movie I was frustrated with and wished to like and do well …..may be the way I root for some of the other stars now. All these Agneepath, Hum and Khuda Gawah (don’t remember the box office) did not turn out to be a craze like a Namak Halal, Naseeb or even a Khuddar. Few of them were outright hilarious in a bad way like those Ganga Jamuna Saraswati , Toofan , Jaadugar , Insaaniyat. For purists even a Shahenshah never realized its full potential and the same paan chewing adorable Vijay of Don was out of place in Shahenshah in that police officer part and cringe worthy to watch. My comment was also hinting at cronyism when at various stages of stardom people (newbie directors /producers) come and sell ideas to the falling hero,, massage their egos and few of them are outright hacks and I thought Mukul Anand though not a hack was highly overrated and overestimated. Sadly due to his untimely death we would never know in absolute terms.
Secondly don’t ever mention actors don’t ham. It happens even in Hollywood with a Cruise and Affleck and when you watch some of the mid 90s Deniro and Al Pacino they have been accused of playacting. Also it’s a fact actors degenerate and become a parody of them with time. Bachchan deterioration had started with Sharaabi (a movie I liked but never loved) and there were borderline hammy scene which seemed like a marvel in a Namak Halal but out of place in these new movies. I don’t remember bachchan filmography properly but from late 80s to 2000 he was atrocious and embarrassing for a good part as an actor. This is a fact you cannot deny as an honest observer…. ……rest there is no debate. Media narratives as Satyam very recently pointed out are driven with time and era for example suddenly salman replaces a srk in these narratives.
Good actors pick themselves and make that correction with time like Deniro or Pacino have done with Meet The Focker and Joy lately…..and Bachchan comes in the same category of greats and finally grounding himself to top form with Pink and a Piku with audience appreciation visible in box office terms after all those years of wilderness and empty theater where sadly not many kuttas visited otherwise Buddha Hoga Tera Baap would be a box-office marvel.
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January 26, 2017 at 12:23 PM
Raees has screenplay issue, it was way too routine and boring at places. But still execution and performance manage to bring some entertainment.
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January 26, 2017 at 10:30 AM
In her comeback appearance in Tamil filmdom after a decade, actress Kajol will be seen playing a sophisticated businesswoman in Dhanush’s upcoming Tamil action-drama “VIP 2”, a source has revealed.
“She plays a suave businesswoman, and there will be different shades to her character. She has already joined the sets and has already shot for a week,” a source from the film’s unit told IANS.
The film is the sequel to “Vela Illa Pattathari”, and it’s being directed by Soundarya Rajinikanth.
Asked if the rumours about Kajol playing the antagonist are true, the source said: “Her character is such that she will lock horns with Dhanush, but that doesn’t qualify to make her the antagonist.
“Audiences are in for a surprise when they watch the film.”
The film will be predominantly shot in Pune, apart from a few places in southern India.
Dhanush’s Wunderbar Films is bankrolling the project.
http://www.india-forums.com/bollywood/hot-n-happening/74327-kajol-character-in-vip-2-revealed.htm
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January 26, 2017 at 10:42 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/raees-shines-at-the-overseas-box-office-day-1-business/
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January 26, 2017 at 10:43 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/kaabils-overseas-business-is-so-far-dull-box-office/
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January 26, 2017 at 12:48 PM
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January 26, 2017 at 4:25 PM
This was a great watch MYAamir,
I wonder if and when Bachchan will respond..lol
P.S.- the Amazon price for the book has gone up from $23 to $29.99.
I should have pre ordered it,
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January 27, 2017 at 10:26 PM
Thanks Rocky Dada 😁
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January 26, 2017 at 12:53 PM
Raees Beats Dangal in UK – Scores In US / Canada
January 26, 2017
BoxofficeIndia
Raees had a strong start in United Kingdom as it grossed £126,000 on its first day which was a working day. The film beat Dangal which released a day earlier as that film grossed £121,000 and also on 152 sites. Raees opened on just 90 sites on Wednesday.
In US / Canada it also took a huge start for a midweek release. The opening day on a non Friday release is only behind Sultan and Prem Ratan Dhan Payo. It also managed to beat Dangal here. The film was released by Zee Studios in the big Overseas markets of US / Canada and United Kingdom. Below are the figures for releases in US / Canada for films which released midweek.The number of sites is in brackets.
Raees (2017) – $375,000 apprx (275)
Dangal – $328,227 (331)
Dear Zindagi (2016) – $1,87,615 (145)
Sultan (2016) – $502,742 (261)
Prem Ratan Dhan Payo (2015) – 387,431 (284)
Bang Bang (2014) – $170,528 (271)
Chennai Express ((2013) – $196,016 (144)
Jab Tak Hai Jaan (2012) – $319,256 (161)
Ek Tha Tiger (2012) – $209,007 (120)
Agneepath (2012) – $72,632 (132)
Bodyguard (2011) – $192,622 (86)
3 Idiots (2009) – $180,514 (119)
Ghajini (2008) – $163,942 (83)
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January 26, 2017 at 2:00 PM
Comparing Raees full day release to Dangal’s 7pm release on Wed (1st day) seriously ? and some folks here think they have nothing against Aamir
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January 26, 2017 at 2:07 PM
Here is the break up for Dangal http://boxoffice.143cinema.com/daily_collection.php?mn=Dangal&mid=985 2nd day Thursday was the full fledged release , Wednesday was just the paid previews .
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January 26, 2017 at 2:17 PM
Like I said BOI is a SRK PR site. Dangal’s figures are like for 1-2 rounds of show nothing more in US.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:25 PM
Raees had a strong start in United Kingdom as it grossed £126,000 on its first day which was a working day. The film beat Dangal which released a day earlier as that film grossed £121,000 and also on 152 sites. Raees opened on just 90 sites on Wednesday
and not just in US
taran_adarsh @ DM FAV RT ? 08:32
#Dangal takes a SUPERB start in key intl markets…
UAE-GCC: Thu AED 2.5 million [₹ 4.62 cr]
UK: Thu previews £ 118,487 [₹ 98.67 lacs]
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January 26, 2017 at 2:48 PM
Well we will know with Raees how much pro SRK BOI really are……but the real proof will be in their numbers, not words.
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January 26, 2017 at 4:27 PM
Numbers drive words, you’re being naive with BOI as usual.
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January 26, 2017 at 4:36 PM
These days, it’s easy to check the numbers because BOI is not the only doing it. Also, everyone pretty much reports the same numbers now so if BOI somehow ups the number for Raees, everyone will know. This has nothing to do with being naive about BOI. I have always said the same thing…look at their numbers, not their words. I go there for numbers. If it’s opinions I want then there are far better places to go.
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January 26, 2017 at 5:47 PM
thecooldude, you’re not understanding my point. Eg BOI theoretically has stated fact on Us numbers at face value. The narrative laid to bear is optically Raees has opened bigger than Dangal…That’s the headline act and story. The devil is always in the detail, eg Dangal did not release full day so the numbers are factually correct like you keep saying but they are comparing apples to oranges as usual. A casual viewer would be manipulated, that is what this site is doing. It props up figures for SRK figures on opening…I know this as NG had all the figures. You compare now those same numbers are adjusted.
Numbers are declared on release to serve a propaganda story, without anyone knowing … Months or years later they are changed. One glaring example is OSO. At the time of release it’s total collection were well over 80 CR on BOI like 85 CR if memory serves me right, now they are 78 CR. It’s a few CR – minor stuff but still peddling lies.
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January 26, 2017 at 4:48 PM
Also, do checkout how BOI treated HNY when it came out. When every BO pundit gave it a 44 CR opening (I think it was 42 hindi and 2 regional) which were the producers using the Roshan Sr. calculator, BOI stuck with their number (forgot if it was 37 or 38). This is what I mean. They NEVER take producers numbers and there so called SRK bias was not really evident that day.
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January 26, 2017 at 6:03 PM
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/movie.php?movieid=2344
Look now it’s 36 CR. They started 36-38 CR then went up to 38-40 CR
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=783
Then link above estimated 40 CR.
They play this game all too often …Hype up at beginning. Declare he’s biggest. Few months later reduce numbers, only 1/1000 people care about latter but 999/1000 read the first thing.
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January 26, 2017 at 9:35 PM
Boi are bluffmasters and if they can trick an intelligent person like Master, they can trick anyone.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:28 PM
I mentioned it that time also. I was off and I watched Dangal morning 11am show on Wednesday. So, whole preview talk is BS. Maybe it didn’t rlease in some states. Either ways it was still holiday period in US whereas Raees is pure work week in US. I know regular desi theatres anyways have shows from 4pm as not many come but other cinemas like AMC and others start morning.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:34 PM
Sorry got confused. I saw 7pm show on Wed. But Thu was full release..
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January 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM
Lol thats exactly what i said
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January 26, 2017 at 2:36 PM
Dangal was a 7 PM release EVERYWHERE on that Wednesday in US AND it was not a holiday period. It was a working day.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM
I said ‘period’ and not official holiday. All the schools and colleges are holidays and many parents take off to spend time with kids.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:43 PM
Actually schools don’t start the holidays until the christmas week so the public schools and most of the colleges WERE NOT closed on that wednesday (or that thursday, or friday). First days off for public school was monday december 26
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January 26, 2017 at 2:46 PM
BOI is making a false comparison..period. Dangal was a 7 PM release that wednesday and Raees was a full blown release yesterday and Raees won by only $47000.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:51 PM
Lets end this futile debate. Not sure which state you have where they holidays after Christmas.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:53 PM
Here you go….check out december.
http://schools.nyc.gov/Calendar/default.htm?mo=10&yr=2016
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January 26, 2017 at 1:20 PM
Early estimates
Raees – 26 to 27 crs
Kaabil – 15 to 16 crs
Don’t be surprised if Roshans give a figure over 20 crs..
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January 26, 2017 at 1:25 PM
#RoshanCalculator has different conversion. Indian Rupee 1 = 1.5 Roshan Rupee.
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January 26, 2017 at 1:29 PM
But one thing looks confirmed. Highest single day for Bollywood.
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January 26, 2017 at 1:40 PM
Looks almost certain as even if its a few lakhs short, Papa Roshan’s calculator will take it ahead…
And now this is the only holiday these two films will see in their run. So much fight and bad blood for 6-7 crs extra…
The loser here is Raees. Even if kaabil had released solo, I don’t think it would have done more than 20 crs more than what it would otherwise do in its run. But Raees was a movie which needed a solo run as it had potential. Even without a holiday it would have opened big due to its super trailor and massy feel and that was proved by yesterdays opening. IMO just the first 2 days would be nearing 70crs when now it is sitting with 46 crs..Over its entire run, it might end up losing a sizeable amount.
I do get that it is not tremendously liked but the movie seems on a surer footing than a Dilwale or a Happy New Year…It might end up crossing Dilwale (already it is 6 crs ahead over first 2 days) but i don’t know if it can get to 180 to 190 cr range of HNY. Without a clash that would have been a cakewalk and maybe even 250 crs was possible…
Such a disastrous decision – all for a single holiday, so much bad blood, so much loss in collection – I don’t know what it all achieved except a few inflated egos. They say common sense is not so common, and we see examples of that so clearly..
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January 26, 2017 at 1:50 PM
Agree totally. Clashing is a bad decision and I kept saying it can’t cross 200 in a non festive period. It is almost impossible unless you have 3I or Dangal type of WOM. I also kept saying at best it’ll be best above average WOM as its that type of movie which can’t gather 100% wom. Besides the subject matter keeping families and women away. Almost all my points are correct.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM
If it can get to 100 cr in 5 days (which it should) it can get to 200 crs…But nothing beyond as even with a better than good WOM, Jolly LLB will take over lot of screens…
20 + 26 + 18 + 20 + 24 will take it to 108 crs…Then if it can be around 11 to 12 cr on MOnday, then it can get pretty close to crossing 200 crs..
Dilwale was around 10 cr on its first Monday which was its 4th day though…This can be close to 11 to 12 crs considering it has more support from smaller centres and better feedback..
But you do have a point on the genre of the movie…I haven’t seen it but if it is more on the lines of Agneepath, there can be a limiting factor in that kind of masala..
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January 26, 2017 at 1:59 PM
I agree, the clash has been particularly unfavourable for Raees, because it was the film with all the craze. Even if it did not have long legs, it could have maximised its business in one or two weeks and reached a much bigger total. And of course, if it had long legs, it could have had a short at some of the records. If Kaabil is not decimated, and continues to keep up with Raees albeit at a much lower end, it does mean loss of screens and serious revenue for the film with the better potential. I think Raees should have released in the OK Jaanu week – would have maximised business. Also, Rakesh Roshan is no pushover. if SRK is cunning, RR is a fiercely protective father who will use his influence and long years in the business to do anything to prop up Hrithik’s film.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:08 PM
I think they decided long back to give more gap from Dangal and opted for last week in Jan. 2 weeks after Dangal would bring lot of unnecessary comparisions and to think of Dangal did 100 crs in just week 2. I think Jan last week was fine with audience getting a break and then coming back to movies. Just there shouldn’t have been a clash.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:13 PM
This whole “I need a holiday to get to the highest total” is the biggest myth around…One of these days Aamir should release a movie on a non holiday month and debunk it. All a movie needs is 3 weeks of open run…It doesn’t need a single holiday and if content is there it can get to the biggest totals. Dangal was somewhat an example as though it didn’t have a holiday it still was the holiday season. Till now no movie has gone past 200 releasing in the non holiday period. I think YJHD was the highest…But that’s more due to the lack of content…
IMO Raees should have released in the week when Baar Baar Dekho released. It was another Excel movie which pretty much didn’t need that period for release. And Yes even a early Jan release would have been fine for it. All in all , irrespective of the films fate, a big lost opportunity for SRK as he has already lost 70 odd crs off the final total with this clash…
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January 26, 2017 at 2:27 PM
Dangal released in the festive period but didn’t get a single holiday, so did lose out on 15-20 crores easily. Would have otherwise been a sure shot 400 crore. But yes, point is a film can still do very well without a holiday, as long it gets most of the screens to itself, and can maximize its potential.
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January 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM
Still not sure how is the wom on Raees. But going by the audience feedback so far it looks decent entertainer for aam junta and much better than his movies like hny, dilwale, ce etc.
With solo release it could have targeted around 250crrs+
Now it will be doing what? Around 150-160crrs?
SRK is called business minded but I am not sure or he can calculate the gain/loss in clash during holiday or solo release during non holiday.
Kaabil also looks like heading for 110crrs or so which could have done around 150crrs without clash.
Raees wins the clash but seems to be bigger loser in the overall picture.
RR announced date first so SRK should not have clashed. Or if not for RR’s ego they could have averted as HR career also took hit with MJD. But well.
It will be interesting to see how TZH performs (although Hiranl’s product could be blockbuster or could be big dud as I am still not confident/like the idea of movie on Dutt. Many people are already not happy thinking that Hirani will glorify him)
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January 26, 2017 at 1:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=VCm5k2baexM
amazing stuff …hritik fans
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January 26, 2017 at 1:52 PM
Is there any scene/reference of any absr old movies in raees?? Many twitter comments have mentioned that.is it??
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January 26, 2017 at 2:03 PM
There’s a scene where someone is watching Kaala Pathar and the scene is used matching Raees story at that moment.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:40 PM
Oh okok.thnx master..
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January 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM
Raees and Sadiq mete out punishment to a mill owner who is watching the iconic Amitabh Bachchan movie Kaala Patthar at a drive-in. The mill owner learns the hard way that the Angry Young Man on the screen is not merely a piece of fiction. Raees has loud echoes of Salim-Javed’s scripts for Bachchan in the 1970s, and the drive-in sequence is a clever retro tribute to the power of the past to ricochet through the actual and cinematic present.
https://scroll.in/article/827408/film-review-many-hits-in-raees-among-them-shah-rukh-and-nawazuddin-but-also-some-blanks
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January 26, 2017 at 2:41 PM
Which film is family friendly with less violence and gore?
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January 26, 2017 at 2:51 PM
I have no doubt that Raees will win some small battle with Dangal here or there (UK, Gulf perhaps and markets like Gujraat) but let’s be real folks. Unless friday – sunday is something amazing, it may not even become SRK’s biggest grosser ever. Dangal is not just on a different planet…it’s a different freaking galaxy.
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January 26, 2017 at 3:20 PM
What’s with Gujarat? Dangal did roaring business everywhere but relatively underperformed in Gujarat. Is this because of the panga Aamir took with the State and Modi in 2006 vis a vis Narmada Andolan. I just didn’t see any reason why collections should have been on the lower end here when it terrific everywhere else?
For, Raees, it is the other way round. East Punjab is weak and Gujarat is excellent.
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January 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM
I don’t think its the NBA panga that affected it. I believe both 3I and PK did great over there. Not really sure if the Punjab setting does not work in Gujraat (or vise versa in Raees’ case)
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January 26, 2017 at 3:31 PM
Maybe cause of Haryani language/feel or settings since it was shot in Punjab , could be the only reason can’t think of anything else .
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January 26, 2017 at 5:21 PM
Sandy – maybe yes – he made some very foolish statements reg Narmada Andolan without understanding the other side – so yeah ppl of Gujarat have not entirely forgiven him but I thin 3I / D3 / PK did reasonable business…..as Raees Director is Gujju and the story is based in Gujarat – initial few days will be good but then it may tank as families will keep away
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January 26, 2017 at 5:26 PM
I’m not sure Raees will tank. I’m wrong on Kaabil it will net > 50 CR now over this 5 day period with or without the calculator…But Raees seems to have steam beyond this weekend. Kaabil I’m not so sure. Having seen neither I’m sure I’ll end up wrong as I usually am.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:08 AM
yeah but if it does more than 200 cr nett in India – it would be a good comeback for SRK – 250/300 is out of question here
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January 27, 2017 at 4:13 AM
This is pure “fictional stuff” being peddled around as all Aamir films after Fanaa did fantastic business in Gujarat as people don’t hold grudges against a movie as Dangal is testimony to Aamir’s intolerance remarks not affecting the business prospects of a movie!! But MOVIE should be good is the prerequisite to success, all else is just to offer lame excuses for the failure!! Raees didn’t open as good in Delhi/Punjab territory as most Shahrukh films tend to but it’s not due to his intolerance remarks but because the setting & premise of the film didn’t excite as much as say a CE or HNY. So it is outright naive to attribute Aamir’s NBA remarks in April 2006 to the comparative underperformance of Dangal or any of his movies!! If that were to be true, PK, Dhoom 3, 3 idiots would not have been able to set all time circuit records in Mumbai territory!!
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January 27, 2017 at 5:29 AM
Agree Gujurat is an anomaly, but if the intolerance comments couldn’t hinder Dangal I doubt 10 year old comments will be living memory. Just an oddity. Not much more than that.
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January 26, 2017 at 2:55 PM
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/box-office-special-features/box-office-raees-vs-dangal-grossed-north-america-box-office-day-1/
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January 26, 2017 at 3:22 PM
Aamir Khan is now God in USA. I don’t see how ANYONE catches him here (until he decides to retire)
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January 26, 2017 at 5:05 PM
Many box office myths have been blown away in last couple of months;
– Dangal laid to bear that Aamir does not need D3/YRF or Hirani to deliver. He can do so even when a competitor tries to steal his thunder
– form is temporary, class is permanent. Dangal lost screens in W4, yes it was a crap film but follow the week drops. W2 around 40%. W3 around 60%. W4 70% ( competition ). W5 it’s going to drop 40-45%. It recovers a bit. The game changing week is week 2. 30 years ago you needed a film to hold the attention span for many weeks to rack up big totals. 10 years ago a few weeks. Now it’s 2 weeks or possibly 3 weeks. Only Aamir has delivered consistently on this. D3 failed, Ghajini, 3Idiots, PK and Dangal didn’t.
– holidays, Dangal’s two big holidays fell on Sunday, despite this it still destroyed all records. It still does the odd exceptional thing like W5 Friday > W4 Thursday or W5 Tuesday > W5 Monday. Very rare but such films can do it
– SRK has proven despite competition a film with big star buzz on lower screens can collect huge. You don’t need holidays, just a strong product
-also that theory that CE lost out due to OUATIM is disproved by Raees and Kaabil. The former proves given whatever screen count you can optimize capacity. The latter proves that if given MORE screen count you just lower your occupancy. Ultimately it’s about how hot your film is or the buzz or the WOM.
In short less is more sometimes. Over exposed or too much can kill the brand. If I were Bollywood I’m 100% sure making 50% less films a year, giving more room in the calendar & working like a dog on scripts (like Aamir, Hirani and co) will make more money overall & produce better content. Churning 300+ films is too many. Holidays should 100% be occupied by those brands/banners who delivered,. It should be meritocracy e.g. Ranbir deserved a big holiday release post YJHD, Ranveer got Xmas post Ram Leela etc. Till Aamir, Salman or SRK fail 2-3 times in a row the calendar won’t shift. I’d also given the fact that Raees has done ridiculous business on just over 3000 screens, start to cap releases in screen count. No need to grow so fast just chasing opening day/weekend records.
One spends months to years to make 1 film and look for 2-3 day holiday windfall is dumb business. Apple, Pharmaceuticals, car manufacturers, technology companies would laugh at this model. No longetivity is built in. It’s a shorters stock market. In that market, all creativity and creative juices are lost.
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January 26, 2017 at 8:53 PM
SRKs insecurities lie in his choice of films.
What couldve been a gritty subject with great execution was I believe ruined by his intereference in an effort to make the film more massy and universally relatable.
The result: a mess. na idhar ki na udhar ki. Its high time he puts his ego in check and puts his trust in directors who know what theyre doing.
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January 26, 2017 at 9:27 PM
Back from Kaabil. If Raees was example of 70’s & 80’s movie era then Kaabil also is from the same era but the difference is Raees reminds of good part of that time whereas Kaabil reminds of the bad part.
The movie starts well albeit slowly and then proceeds to the main crux of the film where the leading lady gets abused. The next 15 mins are the only highlight of the movie. The emotions are genuine and Hrithik’s performance in the police station is exemplary. The stage is set for riveting 2nd half but alas the director has taken leaf from bad commercial films. Even Papa Roshan’s Khoon Bhari Maang in 80’s was more riveting than this 2016 venture.
The plot is pretty simple and then the revenge is much more predictable and it has loopholes of football stadium sizes. There’s not an iota of suspense, intrigue in the killings done by the lead character. It is so ridiculous but only reason it doesn’t stop being completely laughable is the sincerity of Hrithik who’s giving it all he has(even though its the same expressions from his Papa’s franchise movies). There’s literally a scene where he pretends to be a kid’s father to the school principal and he has to play a parsi guy and he just speaks like Rohit from Koi Mil Gaya.. for him there’s no difference in Parsi guy or mentally challenged kid.
The main flaw of the movie is that in potraying a blind person as normal they ended up making him superman. Firstly its huge task for even a regular person to take revenge against local MLA and his brother and then the hero is blind. He just hops into supermarket with a trolley and goes into each alley personally and select exactly the stuff he needs from the knives, attacking weapons, rope. He’s doing everything as a normal person and even the revenge murders are done so openly without any idea of faking or hiding it. His only way to save himself.. ‘Hey am blind, no one can prove me in court’. It’s basically they just kept blind line for the end but the whole revenge drama is written as normal as for a regular hero. He has no limits.. he calls villains to meet him in the weirdest locations and he’s there waiting in dark hiding under the hoodie.
Performance wise Hrithik is exceptional in few of the scenes but he just appears sincere in the rest of the movie and not really nailed the role. The movie doesn’t demand that kind of acting display to win an award. Yami is alright and hardly makes an impact. Ronit and Rohit roy are bad caricature villains and even the talented Girish Kulkarni(of Dangal Coach fame) is just 1 note actor in this movie. Narendra Jha is alright and is better than the other supporting actors.
Songs are not much except Urvashi’s remix song right after interval.
The only positive of the movie is that its popcorn stuff and very light so it’s an easy watch. Some of the sequences and the foundation of revenge are well done and I think only basis of that scenes and Hrithik’s sincerity will help the movie to reach to a respectable total. Rest, there’s nothing much to like. I’m shocked how any real critic can give this movie 4 stars out of 5. That is just not possible.
Overall movie is below average and hardly makes an impact. Hrithik does make a small impact and movie is recommended only if you like Hrithik. If you don’t like him to an extent, there’s nothing else to watch here. In comparison, it is almost equal or just better than Shivaay. I know that movie had its own takers, so there will be so takers for Kaabil too.
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January 26, 2017 at 10:10 PM
For me the problem was the overly simplistic treatment in 2nd half. The man didn’t had to struggle much for his revenge, it all became too easy for him. It should had more substance . The planning and execution of the revenge was banal and doesn’t arise the curiosity and you dont marvel the way it is carried out.
Loopholes? Could you please point out some in Spoilers Alert.
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January 26, 2017 at 11:16 PM
Without revealing much its got to do with the murders.Even 30 yaers back Andha Kanoon had better murders without proof.Just killing someone and then dropping a handkerchief with villain’s initials on then is so B-grade. Also he’s blind and wouldn’t know the kerchief had villain’s initials. Like that I found many..but I don’t like to review in detail in my reviews.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:06 AM
ha ha ignore that Master – ur review was fine and u liked it – it is nice. SRK atleast is trying to go out of his romantic image although it is too late – but still with Hello Zindagi and now this – he knows that he will not be back in the same league as aamir/sallu and yet he has to go down (inevitable) gracefully so Raees is good that way from BO perspective – and it looks like a good masala entertainer and not even SRK is calling it a masterpiece – so I think ur reivew was fair enough
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January 27, 2017 at 2:15 AM
I think the embroidery work can be touched and felt and figuring out initials is not that difficult.
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January 26, 2017 at 9:44 PM
Not sure if I know who this “Master” guy is from before, but he sure is biased like hell.
After watching Raees, talking as if it is a master piece. Come on Bro.
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January 26, 2017 at 11:01 PM
Do you even more the meaning of biased? Go to school and learn it. Masterpiece? Where?
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January 27, 2017 at 12:34 PM
Ravi exactly the same point as urs,this master seems to be a diehard SRK fan showering praises on a hardcore masala film hailing it as some sort of a classic,also he was missing the time when dangal decimated all the records.he was trying to find even minor faults in dangal but raees for him is a classic.
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January 26, 2017 at 9:45 PM
Any other Pseudonyms that I should know Master by?
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January 26, 2017 at 10:35 PM
Z
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January 27, 2017 at 12:52 PM
@an jo….you for got krish aswell
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January 26, 2017 at 10:41 PM
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January 27, 2017 at 12:22 AM
Arre yaar SRK, galti kar di..jao thoda acting Salman se seekh lo..but not driving..Amitabh ke acting mein kya rakha ‘hain’!!!
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January 26, 2017 at 10:55 PM
Looks like Roshan calculator has thrown the number 18.67 crs
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January 26, 2017 at 11:17 PM
As expected. Lol.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:31 AM
If only the device could calculate the interest on my bank balance!
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January 27, 2017 at 12:54 PM
krish, maybe you need boi to give turbo boost numbers
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January 27, 2017 at 1:36 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/hrithik-roshans-kaabil-to-be-screened-in-pakistan/
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January 27, 2017 at 1:45 AM
Raees Does Very Well On Day Two
Friday 27 January 2017 11.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
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Raees did very well on its second day as it grossed 26 crore nett plus making it the highest collections ever on Republic Day beating the figures of Jai Ho in 2014. More importantly the numbers have come with a clash and it is the highest ever collection that any film has collected on any single day when it has clashed with another major release. The growth from the previous day is 30% which is good as the opening was strong. The two day total for the film is 46.50 crore nett and business is strong all over barring Delhi city and East Punjab. The film is very strong in Mumbai, South and West Bengal. The first two day business of Raees is as follows.
Friday – 20,25,00,000
Saturday – 26,25,00,000
TOTAL – 46,50,00,000 apprx
The business on Friday is most important as this will be the normal level of the film. There will be a drop in business but it all depends how much the fall is and can the film put itself into places to record 20 crore nett plus totals on Saturday and Sunday. This will take the film to a 100 crore nett plus extended weekend which would mean a very good weekend.
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January 27, 2017 at 5:42 AM
http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2663
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January 27, 2017 at 1:46 AM
Dangal Records Second Highest Fifth Week Of All Time
Friday 27 January 2017 12.00 IST
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Dangal (Hindi) had another great week as it recorded the second highest fifth week of all time with collections of 8.50 crore nett. The highest fifth week of all time is another Aamir Khan starrer 3 Idiots at 9.83 crore nett. The collections are much higher than the fifth week collections of the likes of PK (4.17 crore nett)) and Bajrangi Bhaijaan (3.55 crore nett). The film has grossed 371 crore nett in five weeks and may add another 1 or 2 crore nett for a lifetime total of 372-373 crore nett. The distributor share of the film will be around 184 crore. The business of Dangal (Hindi) till date is as follows.
First Week – 1,92,38,00,000
Second Week – 1,11,56,00,000
Third Week – 44,02,00,000
Fourth Week – 14,61,00,000
Fifth Week – 8,50,00,000 apprx
GRAND TOTAL – 3,71,07,00,000 apprx
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January 27, 2017 at 1:49 AM
Raees’ Day 1 Overseas Box Office Collections | Updated USA & UK
By Koimoi.com Team -January 27, 2017
Raees taken a brilliant start at the box office. The film currently stands with a collection of 46.72 crores at the domestic box office.
Considering his huge star power and his appeal in the overseas markets, Shah Rukh is all set to work his magic at the overseas box office.
The film has collected 1.08 crores in UK. In USA too the film opened huge with a collection of approx 2.55 crores.
As expected, it has a great start in Gulf where Shah Rukh has a huge fan following. It collected 3.41 crores there.
Australia too showed a decent response with 0.92 crores coming in. The total overseas collections for Raees on its first day was 7.96 crores.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:49 AM
While BOI has Kaabil Thu at 16 cr, Roshan’s calculator has it at 18.67 cr
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January 27, 2017 at 1:52 AM
Koimoi
Unlike Fan which started cracking on the first day itself, only to see further decline on the second day, Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees has actually gone further up on Thursday. After bringing in 20.42 crore on Wednesday, the film saw as good as 26.30 crore added to its total, which now stands at 46.72 crore. Of course the big Republic Day holiday has helped its cause tremendously. Still, on the flip side the film already had such high numbers on Wednesday that even if the numbers were to remain stable on the second day, it would still have been a positive sign for it.
Today, the film will see a dip in numbers and that is expected since this is a working day. Still, even a 15 crore number would be good though indications so far are that the hold would be even better, especially since people would come to theaters in big number for evening and night shows the weekend beginning.
Shah Rukh Khan has a lot to cheer about with these collections since he has managed to score so huge despite the presence of Kaabil in over 2000 screens. As a matter of fact on Thursday the Hrithik Roshan starrer scored quite huge and was clearly attracting a huge count of footfalls. Still, this Rahul Dholakia film has not just maintained very good numbers but also got added momentum going for it.
The film is on its way to be a clean Hit and it has to be seen how much further does it go from here.
Note: All collections as per production and distribution sources
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January 27, 2017 at 2:06 AM
Good news for Hrithik and SRK fans.
Today is the most crucial Day 3, Almost like Monday litmus test.
Kaabil has opened to 25% (same as day 1) while Raees has opened to 30% (half of day 1).
This means Kaabil has picked up due to positive WoM.
This also means that Raees also enjoys positive WoM.
Friday – Kaabil is likely to get 7 Cr and Raees 13 Cr
Saturday and Sunday will be bountiful for both the movies. Kaabil will emerge a success now while Raees will be a sure fire HIT.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:25 AM
13 would be a poor result…Anything between 15 to 17 is good. Anything above that will be excellent
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January 27, 2017 at 3:10 AM
Yes. These will be poor numbers.For both. Kaabil seems to have started catching up but will take few more days. The difference today morning show seems to be around 10%.
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January 27, 2017 at 4:12 AM
This seems like the Agneepath syndrome, a curve ball, Monday is the real trend not Friday.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:13 AM
Both films looks to be down by around 50%. Friday doesn’t look good.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:18 AM
I disagree that the results are not good. Remember that the big weekend is yet to come.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:17 AM
2.0 teaser to be out on Tamil New Year, Rajinikanth-Akshay Kumar film near completion
The shooting for Rajinikanth-Akshay Kumar film, 2.0, is on its final leg.
The latest buzz in the industry is that the teaser of 2.0, starring superstar Rajinikanth and Bollywood Khiladi Akshay Kumar, will be released on April 14, which marks the beginning of Tamil New Year. Director Shankar and editor Antony have already started the work on preparing the teaser of one of the most highly anticipated films in the country that is at par with Baahubali: The Conclusion.
The shooting for one of the most expensive sci-fi movies in Asia is on its final leg. The film crew will resume their last schedule in Chennai on January 30 and have plans to wrap up the shoot by March after which the post-production work will begin. Since the film is said to be heavy on special effects, the post-production process is expected to go on for seven months. Usually, films are shot using 2D cameras and converted into 3D in the studios. But, the filmmakers have used 3D cameras for 2.0, which is a first in India. The makers have also planned to facilitate theatres across the country to upgrade themselves to 3D technology.
The film is being made at a whopping budget of more than Rs 350 crore and is simultaneously produced in Tamil, Telugu and Hindi. The film is a sequel to the 2010 blockbuster Enthiran, which is said to be Shankar’s most ambitious project so far.
The film has been making waves ever since it was announced. Enthiran 2.0 also marks the acting debut of Akshay in the south. He is playing an evil and an eccentric scientist in the film. It also stars Amy Jackson, Sudhanshu Pandey and Adil Hussain in important roles. The film, which is bankrolled by Lyca Productions, is slated for a Diwali release this year
http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/tamil/2-0-teaser-to-be-out-on-tamil-new-year-rajinikanth-akshay-kumar-film-near-completion-4493832/
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January 27, 2017 at 2:28 AM
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January 27, 2017 at 2:37 AM
Last line is quite funny.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:48 AM
Looks like a battle between a poor man’s Agneepath and a poor man’s Aakhree Raasta (who’s already been in a poor man’s Agneepath!).
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January 27, 2017 at 2:54 AM
One of my friends who saw this gave a similar feedback – It is not too massy he said…
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January 27, 2017 at 2:44 AM
Rakesh Roshan threatens to quit filmmaking
Producer-director Rakesh Roshan is very angry. In an exclusive tete-a-tete he has threatened to quit the film industry. Says the hurt and angry filmmaker, “After 50 years in the film industry I find myself deeply isolated and unable to play the games that are being played. My son Hrithik and I are very simple people. We love the cinema. And we are part of it not to make big profits but because we enjoy being a part of the entertainment industry. Unfortunately the kind of politics that goes on here is beyond our understanding or tolerance.”
There is a valid reason for Rakesh Roshan’s ire. Exhibitors across India have failed to give his new film Kaabil the number of theatres they promised. “We were assured the distribution of theatres and screens between the two films this week (Kaabil and Raees) would be equal. The ratio of screens promised was 50: 50. To our shock on the morning of release we discovered that we had been given only 40 percent of the screens.”
The betrayal has broken Rakesh Roshan’s spirits. “I belong to the old school of filmmaking where even official contracts were waved away. Word given to one another was enough. Here, the exhibitors and distributors are going back on their words so brazenly, under what pressures…I don’t know. I am very hurt. If this kind of unethical practices continue I will have to quit filmmaking. I am not equipped to handle back-stabbing on this level.”
He is not willing to play the blame game. “I am not pointing fingers at any other film. But for the sake of the survival of the film business we need to get more professional. I don’t know what kind of pressures made the exhibitors betray Kaabil. But in future if exhibitors continue to succumb to such pressures many of us would have to shut shop. On the other hand if exhibitors and distributors agree to give an equal number of screens to two or more films released on the same day there will be no confusion during release.”
Much hope was raised by the corporatization of the Indian film industry. But Rakesh Roshan says all these hopes were dashed to the ground. “We thought the corporate production houses would take our film industry ahead by ten years. But we’ve actually regressed by twenty years. If we continue to function in this dog-eat-dog way I’ll have to quit. I’ve made films about the underdog hero. Because when I came into the industry I had no one to support me. I struggled my way to filmmaking. Today I feel I am fighting forces that I cannot fight. I don’t understand them.”
– See more at: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/rakesh-roshan-threatens-quit-filmmaking/#sthash.yR1OJmWb.dpuf
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January 27, 2017 at 2:53 AM
Good..no more Krish series then….
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January 27, 2017 at 3:31 AM
Rakesh Roshan, who i admire and respect as filmmaker a lot, is being quite childish and naive here. I am sure his Krish 4 would have fetched more screen if that were to clash with Raees.
Instead of threatening to quite, he should launch his next immediately with Hrithik as hero and himself as director. That would be the movie which would require a guts to clash.
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January 27, 2017 at 3:44 AM
He should take someone as hero and allow his son to select good movies instead of good money. This love for son is limiting his ability to experiment and innovate. Or he should do a project with a heroine as lead as he did in Khoon Bhari Maang.
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January 27, 2017 at 5:13 AM
I agree..as much as he made his son a star with a dream debut and made him the first the first superhero and all..he is also responsible for the state Hrithik is in today..somewhat of a child man, a persona he seems to be carrying from the koi mil gaya series. yesterday, the interview he gave with his father about not getting 50% share of screens was so weird. It was like him literally crying and saying…my papa is the best, I love my papa more now etc etc. I have a feeling the wife also let him as a result of this overpowering papa presence!
Cmon hrithik..get out of there at once…be independent..choose some random, casual films..find which way you want to go..soon! Since he is already 42!
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January 27, 2017 at 7:23 AM
I don’t think Rakesh Roshan is trying give a masterpiece or even a decent film 🙂 it is all neat business – Hero / Music Director – sab Ghar ka apart from production – sell the movie in cool 100 cr to distributors + 50-100 cr from various rights – production and mktg around 30-40 cr – pocket 100-150 cr profit and sleep peacefully and make rants against SRK and everything under the sky 🙂
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January 27, 2017 at 3:48 AM
Aamir Khan starrer Dangal continued to add more moolah to its kitty in the fifth week. The film made a decent collection of 9.10 crores in the week. It now stands with a collection of 384.10 crores at the domestic box office.
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January 27, 2017 at 3:50 AM
Republic Day Collections Of Films (2011 to 2017): Raees Grabs The Top Spot, Kaabil Scores 5th Best
http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/republic-day-collections-of-films-2011-to-2017-raees-grabs-the-top-spot-kaabil-scores-5th-best/
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January 27, 2017 at 5:27 AM
After Dangal, Aamir’s records:
Top 3 in China – Aamir
Top 3 in Aus – Aamir
Top in UK – Aamir
Top 2 in India- Aamir.
Top 2 North America- Aamir.
Top 2 WW- Aamir.
Top 2 in Aus- Aamir.
Top 3 Overseas- Aamir
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January 27, 2017 at 5:30 AM
Typo as after Dangal Aus has all 3 Aamir movies as highest grossers.
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January 27, 2017 at 5:39 AM
taran adarsh
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#Dangal [Week 5] Fri 1.19 cr, Sat 2.10 cr, Sun 2.83 cr, Mon 94 lacs, Tue 1.01 cr, Wed 24 lacs, Thu 54 lacs. Total: ₹ 383.88 cr. India biz.
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January 27, 2017 at 6:06 AM
BOI is a good 14 Cr behind at 371 nett.
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January 27, 2017 at 6:17 AM
Yes Aamir Khan productions have their own calculator. Except this one is including regional collections for dubbed releases, whereas BOI is functional only on Hindi.
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January 27, 2017 at 6:50 AM
” Yes Aamir Khan productions have their own calculator.” lol
with srk films their calculator runs on turbo boost
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January 27, 2017 at 5:45 AM
I must confess that i’m very impressed with Raj’s objectivity as despite being a huge Shahrukh fan, he doesn’t fawn over Shahrukh in case he finds his movies or performances below par, he calls a spade a spade which is a rarity esp. as regards to normal Shahrukh fans who just can’t accept their idol’s frailty or foible at all. We don’t need to go too far to experience this as we have some here as well 😉
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January 27, 2017 at 5:57 AM
Well, great to see that you see some things beyond Aamir! 😛
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January 27, 2017 at 6:04 AM
Vijjie – This has to be the smartest reply. 😛
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January 27, 2017 at 7:05 AM
I thought he miswrote Akshay as Aamir 😉
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January 27, 2017 at 7:35 AM
Thanks! 😀
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January 27, 2017 at 7:17 AM
Yes I do, but for SRK fans like you, it might seem an impossible task as their life revolves around planet SRK 😆😆
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January 27, 2017 at 6:01 AM
Dimitrov – seen very little till now, looks like a Federer incarnation. If Nadal wins, he’ll be favourite in final as he beat Dimitrov. But it’s a real 50-50 match right now.
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January 27, 2017 at 6:37 AM
Nadal 2-1. Never been a big fan but for sheer tenacity and determination, he is unmatched. Only really Agassi at his sheer best or Hewitt chase and defend like this.
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January 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM
Dimitrov is known as baby Fed in the circuit
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January 27, 2017 at 7:41 AM
2-2, Federer will be smiling with extra day recovery on these 2.
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January 27, 2017 at 8:27 AM
Don’t think it matters. Nadal will beat Federer even if he plays for a few more hours in the SF. Federer has mind issues with Nadal…This baby Fed plays same as Fed but no mind issues. I hope Nadal loses in SF so that Fed can win…
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January 27, 2017 at 8:34 AM
I agree on the psychological edge Nadal has.. the match is quite an epic at the moment..
Would be quite incredible though to see these two in the final along with the Williams sisters.
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January 27, 2017 at 8:46 AM
Epic final. I hope Federer can do it. It’s not clay so he has a chance.
It is the dream nostalgic tournament. No one can bet on or against any 4 finalists. They are all significant in their own right.
The longer the men’s final goes, the more one favours Nadal. Federer will for sure need to be 1-0 or 2-1 up at least. As mentally he could struggle, but 6 months out he’ll roll the dice and have a chance.
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January 27, 2017 at 10:01 AM
Federer should have the advantage on this court except that for a number of years now Nadal has not lost to Federer in any sort of Grand Slam event. Of course it’s been a few years now since they’ve faced each other but Nadal was beating him everywhere they met. In fact if I’m not mistaken Nadal has never lost a Grand Slam match to Federer since that epic 2008 Wimbledon final.
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January 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM
9-2 in favour of Nadal in slams, only losses for Nadal are on grass I think. So Federer will need to something he’s failed to do so far.
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January 27, 2017 at 9:31 AM
Always want the senior to prevail! 😛
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January 27, 2017 at 9:53 AM
And Nadal is a known juicer in the circuit. There is a reason he doesn’t get tired grinding after grinding . Remember one AO he beat David Ferrer(Another doper) in the semi in 5 sets but next day fresh as a daisy and beat Fed in 5. Doping era in tennis.
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January 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM
One thing in Federers favor is Nadal is not the same bull as what he was few years back. He has dropped a notch below for sure. The draw was kind to him as Joker lost early. That might be Federers best bet vs Nadal…While Federer also is coming back from injury his body has never taken the toll Nadals has and hence the layoff is more detrimental to Nadal than Federer. But of course its all in the mind for Federer ..
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January 27, 2017 at 10:44 AM
Federer is past prime. That’s the astonishing thing, he is 5 years older than the other big 3. Yet he is still competitive. 6 months off injured and into a GS final is quite stunning. He might lose but I still rank him above all his peers. He’s Tendulkar like very natural and calm or Messi. 5 years is a lot for tennis players, but he and the Williams sisters have broken norms. Sampras did too winning a slam at 32. Nadals like Ronaldo. Physical and works hard. A beast in a different way, but lacks the finesse of Federer. Federer is the people’s champion.
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January 27, 2017 at 12:59 PM
Absolutely…at age of 35, the other three will be into golf not tennis…Federer is peerless…
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January 27, 2017 at 1:35 PM
I don’t like Nadal and specially now when he have became even a bigger pusher. But still he is a bull and have more stamina than anyone else may be except Djoker. He will push push push and grind grind grind and Federer will get furious and spray unforced errors all over the court. I will be shocked if Federer wins against this pusher. Again death of natural, attacking and aggressive tennis against grinding. Pity.
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January 27, 2017 at 7:52 AM
Missed opportunity?!!
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January 27, 2017 at 7:58 AM
This is for Vijjie by the same Amod Mehra 😉
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January 27, 2017 at 8:04 AM
Had Dangal released on 16 instead of 23 & sunday would not fallen on Christmas & new year, It would have collected 425+!!!!!!!!!!!! But alas missed opportunity by Aamir & company 😉
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January 27, 2017 at 8:26 AM
cmon..don’t go on proving that Aamir fans are worse than SRK fans in this obsessive disorder!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:41 AM
I don’t need to prove anything as your comments are reflection of your mindset regarding Aamir fans!! But neurotic disorder isn’t one of the issues for sure!!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:57 AM
J/k yaar…don’t be so serious! like your idol! 😛
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January 27, 2017 at 10:13 AM
Hona padta hai tabhi to Dangal ban paati hai 😆
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January 27, 2017 at 7:59 AM
Shocking !!!
Sanjay Leela Bhansali Slapped, His Hair Pulled By Protesters On Padmavati Sets In Rajasthan
JAIPUR: Filmmaker Sanjay Leela Bhansali was attacked and the sets of his film “Padmavati” at a fort in Jaipur were vandalized by protesters who alleged that the film shows a much-celebrated Rajput queen in poor light.
Mr Bhansali is slapped, beaten and his hair is pulled by members of the Rajput Karni Sena, who stormed the shoot at Jaigarh Fort.
They shouted protests and alleged that the film has love scenes between Queen Padmini and ruler Alauddin Khilji, played by actors Deepika Padukone and Ranveer Singh.
The Karni Sena says Padmini was a proud queen known for taking her own life rather than submit to Alauddin Khilji, the emperor who attacked the Chittorgarh Fort.
Padmini committed “Jauhar” or immolated herself with scores of other women as Alauddin Khilji waited to conquer the fort and claim her.
The Rajput Karni Sena has demanded that Mr Bhansali delete such scenes in the film if any.
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sanjay-leela-bhansali-slapped-on-padmavati-sets-in-rajasthan-1653338?pfrom=home-lateststories
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January 27, 2017 at 8:39 AM
Is this about the Rajput queen who did a mass Sati’ with the other women in the fort to not to be captured by the Mughals?
If so, there is no way he can show love scenes between those two!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:06 AM
Maybe dream sequences to please the fans. Khilji romancing his obesession in his dreams!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:24 AM
Bhansali has said Deeoika and Ranveer don’t even have single scene together as both Khilji and Padmavati never meet. That’s the whole point and uniqueness of this movie. Why would he add dream sequence?
These protesters will beat anyways knowing there is no scene and then say..see coz we kicked him he removed scenes to boost their ego and power infront of others.
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January 27, 2017 at 9:34 AM
There shud be one beautiful scene..of Khilji seeing Padmini through the mirror.
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January 27, 2017 at 9:29 AM
haha ok..like paro and chandramukhi dancing..kashibhai and mastani dancing..
Will we have Ranveer and Shahid dancing this time?
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January 27, 2017 at 11:21 AM
Naveen: this is hardly “shocking”: something always happens whenever a historical is involved. Nothing could be more expected than this!
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January 27, 2017 at 8:00 AM
The gap between #Raees and #Kaabil has reduced quite considerably, morning and noon today. For a working Friday, both films performing well.
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January 27, 2017 at 9:23 AM
raees first 2 days in North America http://boxoffice.143cinema.com/daily_collection.php?mn=Raees&mid=1006
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January 27, 2017 at 10:07 AM
Let’s Talk About ‘Kaabil’ and Its Troubling Depiction of Rape
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January 27, 2017 at 10:17 AM
Sanjay Leela Bhansali slapped, assaulted by protesters on Padmavati sets in Jaipur,
In a video that’s gone viral a defenceless Sanjay Leela Bhansali was seen getting slapped and assaulted by an angry mob on the sets of Padmavati
WRITTEN BY SONUP SAHADEVAN | MUMBAI |
Updated: January 27, 2017 8:05 Pm
Sanjay Leela Bhansali was slapped and assaulted on Friday by members of Karni Sena who staged an angry protest at Jaigarh fort in Jaipur where Bhansali was shooting for Padmavati. In a video that has gone viral, protestors are seen running amok, damaging cameras and other shooting equipment while raising slogans and spewing abuses in Hindi.
Protesters entered in large numbers and started getting violent before the crew of Padmavati could even blink. The mob soon surrounded Bhansali who was seated in front of a monitor. Even as his team tried to shield him and take him to safety, the mob unleashed its fury on the defenceless director and slapped and assaulted him as can been seen in the video.
The protesters then turned their ire towards the costly film equipment and smashed to the ground almost everything that they could lay their hands on. The film stars Deepika Padukone, Ranveer Singh and Shahid Kapoor.
This is the same body which earlier protested against Ashutosh Gowariker’s Jodhaa Akbar. It has raised objections against Padmavati saying that the film incorrectly portrays Rani Padmini.
Thankfully, police was called in who soon escorted Bhansali to safety and arrested the troublemakers. The shooting of the film has been temporarily halted.
http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/sanjay-leela-bhansali-slapped-assaulted-by-protesters-on-padmavati-sets-in-jaipur-watch-video-4494681/
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January 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM
…and then people wonder why “we” can’t make better films. The level of intolerance is so high that we prefer, first, fairy stories and mythologicals; and second, only OUR AUTHORIZED fairy stories and mythologicals, with barely any patience for anything else. [I say this as someone who was quite irritated at SLB’s Bajirao Mastani, both because of some blatantly communal representations (the worst example was the sequence in Nasir Jung’s tent) and, more subtly, because of de-politicization of women in Baajirao’s household); but certainly the man has to have the right to make the film he wants to make!]
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January 27, 2017 at 9:34 PM
what a country we have become! yaar kuch bhi bolo to now u have to think 100 times ke kahin se koi fanatic protest na kar de – is this democracy?
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January 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM
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January 27, 2017 at 10:31 AM
Kaabil witnesses massive jump on day two and scores 18.67 crore… Two days total 29.1 cr.
we getting same senario as dilwale vs bajirao except raees is slightly better then dilwale but far better then Fan,this clash could have avoided and done excellent business but both srk and rakesh roshan both being stubborn…thats what I called uncivilised,both films do good business and neither of them will tank…
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January 27, 2017 at 10:33 AM
Blackbuck died of natural causes, Salman claims in Jodhpur court
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/blackbuck-died-of-natural-causes-salman-claims-in-jodhpur-court/articleshow/56806133.cms
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January 27, 2017 at 10:36 AM
from animals to humans everyone dies of ‘natural causes’ around him. It’s like those guys who run into trouble with the Mafia and then have these casual accidents that kill them! My favorites are the ones where the guys are just walking somewhere and they trip suddenly and die. Some unluckily fall into canals.
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January 27, 2017 at 10:49 AM
No one killed Blackbuck!
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January 27, 2017 at 10:53 AM
It committed suicide whilst watching Salman trying to act to shoot it.
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January 27, 2017 at 11:46 AM
lol! line of the day!
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January 27, 2017 at 11:28 AM
I think the black buck died while fighting this case in court.
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January 27, 2017 at 11:22 AM
As per early raees today is 12.5-13 cr.
FY reference dangal day 4 mon was 23 cr.
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January 27, 2017 at 11:24 AM
Amitabh Bachchan Verified account
@SrBachchan
I am not believing this .. but am extremely humbled, to see my reference in name and film, in both the recent releases – RAEES and KAABIL
Arth Vaishnav EF
@ArthVaishnav
@SrBachchan watching Kaabil, watched Raees…
During both movies, the loudest cheers were reserved for Mr.Amitabh Bachchan!!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:31 PM
ha ha ha – both the movies had Big B as a part in one or other way – and the comment says it all 🙂 picutres me to koi dum nahin hei – chalo bachchan to he 🙂
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January 27, 2017 at 12:00 PM
Biased media
When Dangal released there were so many articles that Dangal falls short of Sultan opening.
None so for Raees
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January 27, 2017 at 12:29 PM
The Vigil Idiot Reviews “Raees”, Another Reminder That SRK Films Are Way Fucking Dumber Than He Is
It’s time for Shah Rukh Khan to admit that his fans deserve much better than all the garbage he’s made us watch recently.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/sahilrizwan/dumbass-ka-dimaag-tatti-ki-daring?utm_term=.vqaqwQ8Y9#.rkkgLRrDJ
Shah Rukh Khan’s new release stars him “in and as Raees” – his latest attempt at the sort of masala star vehicle that even the other two Khans have moved on from lately. While we’re told that Raees the gangster is daring and smart, his decisions are as bad as the ones taken by the actor bringing him to life.
In the past five years, SRK’s filmography has read Jab Tak Hai Jaan, Chennai Express, Happy New Year, Dilwale, and Fan. While only a couple of these can be considered Khan-level financial hits, almost all have been panned by critics. Meanwhile, in the same period, Aamir and Salman have delivered the six highest-grossing Bollywood films of all time between them. Salman has actually managed to do it with a few decent reviews too.
Raees was actually meant to release alongside Sultan last year, but was postponed to avoid a clash. It’s a good thing too, because it might have made a painful truth much more obvious – Salman Khan is actually doing smarter and better films than Shah Rukh now (Tauba tauba. *Bathes in holy water to cleanse myself for putting this thought out into the universe).
Anyway, presenting the nonsense that is Raees:
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January 27, 2017 at 1:24 PM
This is effin hilarious! The VI guy is a genius!
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January 27, 2017 at 1:03 PM
Kaabil seems to have caught up quite a bit today…Most metros the movie is just slightly behind Raees. All small centres, single screens, Muslim centres, it is nowhere close…Kaabil should be around 9 crs, Raees around 13 crs…But the WOM of raees is not as bad as Dilwale (infact in massy areas it is very good) and the WOM of kaabil is not as good as BM..So the gap will be there over the weekend and into the next week…Credit where its due, Papa Roshan still has a decent pulse of the audience. But he still will be needing his calculator for the next few days…
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January 27, 2017 at 1:11 PM
HrithikRoshan’s #Kaabil gaining momentum at the boxoffice . It doing very good today in multiplexes .
I dont think papa roshan needs to worry,wom is solid and you can see collection as how it has improved,other released same time is struggling to mach 1st & 2nd collection..
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January 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM
#Kaabil going neck and neck with #Raees up in the North now. On occupancy, Kaabil sneaking past Raees in NCR.
roshans are ” Rising “
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January 27, 2017 at 1:27 PM
Raees Stays Afloat – Kaabil Struggles
Friday 27 January 2016 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
It was the crucial third day for both the Republic Day week releases and Raees has managed to stay afloat but just while Kaabil is now struggling in a poor position. It was a working day after a holiday so the drop was always going to come but the hope would have been a lesser drop especially Kaabil. Raaes is looking at business of around 13-13.50 crore nett which is around 50% drop while Kaabil is looking at around 7-7.5 crore nett which is a little more than 50%. The only precedence for this is Agneepath in 2012 which released on Thusday which was the holiday and saw a 50% drop on the next day which was a Friday like it is for Kaabil and Raees but it went up again over the weekend to do well.
Raees should have had a bit higher number which then would have enabled it to add around 40 crore nett over the weekend but that now looks a big ask. Still it has grossed around 60 crore nett over the first three days and with the weekend to come it is in a good position and it will be Monday which will decide if the film becomes a HIT or not. The film had a noticeable drop at mass centres which were very good yesterday due to the national holiday. The holds at multiplexes were better.
Kaabil looks in trouble at the box office as collections are now even lower than day one which itself was weak. The huge jump on Republic Day was a huge surprise as the reports were not suggesting that sort of jump. It did look like what happened with Shivaay which flattered on holidays but came down on other days but you can never be sure but with this Friday collection it has come down to its real level and its an uphill battle from here on. The three day collections of the film are around 31 crore nett which is 50% of Raees and it needs a mini miracle to survive and there are no holidays going forward.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:30 PM
Its very hard to predict Kaabils number for everyone as there are 2 sets of numbers floating. One is Papa Roshans and one is the number based on occupancies..I wont be surprised if Papa gives a number higher than Wednesday just to prove his point…
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January 27, 2017 at 1:38 PM
Papa Roshan will have it over 10 CR. Also, I don’t believe it’s hard to predict the numbers at all. You will see two sets of numbers…the lower one is the right one.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:48 PM
Unless a miracle happens, Jr. Roshan has now delivered back to back duds! Krrish 4 announcement is imminent!
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January 27, 2017 at 4:24 PM
I think this is poor numbers for both. Raees looks like heading for what around 140-150crrs at best? While Kaabil looks to do around 100crrs.
Aur clash karo for holidays.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:34 PM
Where is all this info from?
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January 27, 2017 at 1:36 PM
So I was asking about the ‘Roshans are rising’ comment.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:45 PM
This is shameful and Bollywood should get balls and not let this pass. Bhansali is not a newbie like Kashyap and these other two minute fame folks but keeps to himself and is a veteran of industry and a maverick filmmaker.
Feel sad to see him in this video being helpless and protecting himself and I believe his clothes were torn too.
This sort of thing keeps reminding me Munna with his expert comment on how Indians behave when alone and when in a group and mob.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:49 PM
really shameful , this is no way to show protest.
Marana hee hai toh Kashyap, Mihir Sharma, Sid Vardrajan, Somen Misra jaisey sick logo ko maro.
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January 27, 2017 at 3:17 PM
Are you surprised?
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January 27, 2017 at 1:46 PM
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@iHrithik take a legal action against http://Boxofficeindia.com trade network.
Else WORST FANS SRKIANS wouldn’t let u stay with peace.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:53 PM
Experts spreading bad wom deliberately. To counter them, RR has to exaggerate figures. This game will go on. Let us see how it ends.
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January 27, 2017 at 1:49 PM
we always knew BOI are srk biased site…srk collections are always on turbo boost…such a pathetic site…talking of papa roshan,what about this site …” just takes the biscuit “
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January 27, 2017 at 1:51 PM
so what is the real Raees collection?
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January 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM
Really, can you provide couple movie examples where let’s say something like for CE, everybody has around 225 crore and BOI has it at 275 crore, or something like that.
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January 27, 2017 at 7:10 PM
BOI had CE at 208 cr. You are mistaking gross and nett probably
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January 28, 2017 at 7:36 AM
okay, but looking for example where BOI has SRK movie total much higher “turbo boost” than other sites. Any examples???
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January 28, 2017 at 7:43 AM
BOI is more or less honest with collns,even if they give wrong collns initially,they correct it afterwards.but the same can’t be said for their verdicts though my problem also exists with their adjusted nett collns.
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January 28, 2017 at 8:36 AM
“BOI is more or less honest with collns”
Agree, I mean they’re probably honest as any other site. my question was around how some keeps on stating that BOI is SRK PR machine, I think it’s the opposite. I don’t think anyone can show any example of where BOI has SRK movie collection higher than any other site.
As far as kaabil collections are concerned, it’s just not adding up or making any sense. The occupancy % is lower than Raees and with less screen count then Raees yet Friday collection is only about 3.5 crs behind?
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January 28, 2017 at 11:33 AM
It’s like saying Ronaldo is best ever, by comparing his tally of goals this year to his tally 10 years ago at Manchester united. The way to look at this is not SRK in isolation. You have to compare his BOI collections with other sites but also other star’s films with other sites.
Anyway barring acooldude it’s obvious which set of fans have nothing against BOI, case closed.
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January 27, 2017 at 2:00 PM
Hrithik Roshan, Yami Gautam’s Kaabil is managing a steady pace at the box office despite stiff competition from Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees. The Sanjay Gupta-directed vengeance drama opened its innings on Wednesday with Rs 10.43 crore but saw a massive rise in occupancy on Thursday, which was a holiday on account of Republic Day. With the film earning Rs 18.67 crore on day two, the film has Rs 29.10 crore in its kitty till now.
While Friday’s business of Kaabil is not expected to be as high as Thursday on account of it being a working day, theatres reported good occupancy in the morning shows. The film will again increase its earnings during the upcoming weekend.
http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/kaabil-box-office-collection-day-3-hrithik-roshan-4494735/
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January 27, 2017 at 2:23 PM
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January 27, 2017 at 2:29 PM
Like SRK claimed in an interview, he does look bloody good in a Pathani suit, but that’s about it, as the kohl laden eyes, the glasses and the extra swagger in his step don’t quite take away from the fact that we are seeing Shahrukh Khan on screen and not Raees. The charisma, the dimpled smiles, the intensity, yes they may salvage parts of the film, but it also makes you wish that he’d played an out and out grey character, rather than a character with grey shades that ends up with a pathetic attempt at whitewashing towards the end.
The rest of the cast do their job extremely well, Nawazuddin Siddiqui putting in yet another brilliant turn as the honest to a fault policeman, who refuses to turn cynical in spite of bearing witness to the rot in the system. Mahira Khan makes a fine debut, and absolutely lights up the screen in spite of an underwritten role. It is however extremely frustrating to see genuine talents like Narendra Jha (who is also in the other big release of the week), Mohammed Zeeshan Ayyub, Sheeba Chaddha and Loveleen Mishra wasted in such inconsequential roles with almost nothing to do except stay true to stereotypes.
For the average Shahrukh Khan fan, Raees achieves what it set out to be, a homage to the secular appeal of its star, but for a more discerning viewer, it ends up being so average, it’s almost boring.
https://madaboutmoviez.com/2017/01/25/raees-movie-review-once-upon-a-late-latif/
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January 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM
There is absolutely no doubt that BOI is pro-SRK. Ra1 is a hit for them. So is MNIK in India. Devdas had an original nett collection of 38cr according to BOI in 2002, now declared as 41cr without inflation by them!! I don’t know how in the world Devdas added 13cr of collections (i.e. over 30% of its original collections) after its run in theatres had ended. And the other night they were comparing Dangal’s night shows collection in the US to Raees’ full opening collections there, just to provide the impression that SRK is killing it in the US market.
Maybe Papa Roshan is inflating the figures of Kaabil but there also is the fact that no one else in the trade is reported as low figures for Kaabil as BOI is reporting for it. Could it be BOI’s bias for SRK or could it be that BOI are the only ones to speak the truth. Indian BO reporting is such a mess that no one seems to know the true answer, really.
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January 27, 2017 at 3:30 PM
BOI also reported the lowest collections for Krrish 3…don’t recall any clashes with SRK movie at that time. As for Devdas, BOI was not even around in 2002 so how do you know what was reported? As for these stupid HIT, SUPER HIT and ALL TIME BLOCKBUSTER tags…I mean really, who gives a sh#t?
Man…I do want BOI to start paying me something because it seems like I am the only one who defends them here 🙂
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January 28, 2017 at 3:20 AM
BOI was around in 2002-2003. It reported a 28.4 nett gross for Devdas at that time. They were quoted as saying it was a ‘media hit’ rather than a ‘trade hit’.
They were already very critical of hits like DCH at that time. They were also very critical of RGV. They seemed to be in hero-worshiping mode of Sunny Deol. What is most bizarre is that they had projected Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Saathiyon to be the future biggest blocbuster back then, despite Bachan being in there!
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January 27, 2017 at 3:33 PM
BUT…BUT I think there is something wrong with the Devdas number. I don’t see how it could have made 41 CR after opening week of 11 CR. I have always judged BOI on movies released in the last 8 or 9 years (not sure what year they started). Some of their numbers for earlier films don’t seem right.
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January 28, 2017 at 5:02 AM
During 2010,when they revised their look,tthey had Gadar adjusted total gross at 286 cr(not nett),while 3Idiots had 269 cr(unadjusted as 3Idiots just ended it’s run).very little difference i remember it thoroughly.i don’t know what happened after that.they keep on revising collns of 90’s megablockbusters and gadar that they just become unreachable for current movies.They are having 3I adjusted nett as 294 cr.this is absolutely ridiculous,no sane person can ever agree.3I adjusted nett wld be min. 400cr.
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January 27, 2017 at 8:27 PM
Add KANK to the list as despite made at around budget of 50 Crores, it is a clean hit?? Their verdicts are brazen & an assault on common sense!! Yet sensible person like thecooldude keeps defending the indefencible for reasons best known to him only!!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:12 PM
If this is the case and then lets spot them cheating with Raees! How about a bet…you wouldn’t be able to because BOI numbers will be lowest.
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January 28, 2017 at 6:13 AM
KANK is now a semihit as per BOI.Devdas shld also be revised,it is not more than an average.
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January 27, 2017 at 3:20 PM
Typo Correction: It was 28.4cr for Devdas according to BOI in 2002.
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January 27, 2017 at 3:37 PM
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2664
Raees Stays Afloat – Kaabil Struggles
It was the crucial third day for both the Republic Day week releases and Raees has managed to stay afloat but just while Kaabil is now struggling in a poor position. It was a working day after a holiday so the drop was always going to come but the hope would have been a lesser drop especially Kaabil. Raaes is looking at business of around 13-13.50 crore nett which is around 50% drop while Kaabil is looking at around 7-7.5 crore nett which is a little more than 50%. The only precedence for this is Agneepath in 2012 which released on Thusday which was the holiday and saw a 50% drop on the next day which was a Friday like it is for Kaabil and Raees but it went up again over the weekend to do well.
Raees should have had a bit higher number which then would have enabled it to add around 40 crore nett over the weekend but that now looks a big ask. Still it has grossed around 60 crore nett over the first three days and with the weekend to come it is in a good position and it will be Monday which will decide if the film becomes a HIT or not. The film had a noticeable drop at mass centres which were very good yesterday due to the national holiday. The holds at multiplexes were better.
Kaabil looks in trouble at the box office as collections are now even lower than day one which itself was weak. The huge jump on Republic Day was a huge surprise as the reports were not suggesting that sort of jump. It did look like what happened with Shivaay which flattered on holidays but came down on other days but you can never be sure but with this Friday collection it has come down to its real level and its an uphill battle from here on. The three day collections of the film are around 31 crore nett which is 50% of Raees and it needs a mini miracle to survive and there are no holidays going forward.
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January 27, 2017 at 8:37 PM
Nothing can be said until Monday. Kaabil needs 110 crores and Raees 150 crores to be HIT. Long way ahead!
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January 27, 2017 at 9:30 PM
I think Raees will definitely do 150 crore plus. Agneepath felt by 50% but emerged a solid hit. A drop of 50 % is manageable if you have such huge starts. I expect Monday to be in the range of 8-9 crore and film can sustain at that level upto second weekend. So it should get to 150-160 , which is a pretty good number considering clash . Film would have done 200+ in case of solo release.
Kaabil is a goner now. Wont do 100 crore. There was only one way for it to surpass Raees, it need to had outstanding word of mouth. An average to good word of mouth doesn’t help much when you are clashing with a big commercial film. It is a content driven film so opening was never on cards even in case of solo release.
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January 28, 2017 at 1:41 AM
Raees will end up around 160 crs…Kaabil will struggle to reach 100crs..They needed 150 and 110 for hit status….But i don’t think they had made the movies to get hit status..They were looking for larger numbers….
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January 28, 2017 at 1:55 AM
As I said before release.. if Raees had solo, it had chance for 225 cr but in clash, it will be around 160. I don’t think it had potential to do more irrespective of people’s complaints. The subject matter and treatment doesn’t give an easy movie watching experience to watch multiple times.
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January 28, 2017 at 2:31 AM
Raees screwed Raees by choosing clash, in process Raees screwed Kaabil. I agree that Raees had more potential but it’s chosen it’s bed it must lie in it. Psychologically this is a much bigger blow to Roshan’s as they desperately needed a result here, but media narrative will be much more about how SRK>HR. All this for that one day of box office Bonanza. It could be said Kaabil was timid anyway and is only getting to where it is now due to a clash and what extra attention that gives. Kaabil would never have opened big but solo probably would do 10-20% better but Raees much bigger %’s.
Raees opening was up there with most big film opening’s, republic day solo could have been riot. Maybe they believed Roshan’s would back down upon clash, especially considering how fragile Hrithik’s career is right now but Bollywood is full of huge ego’s, so I doubt it would happen.
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January 28, 2017 at 3:06 AM
Commercially both will be success but not sure what they achieved with the clash. How good 140-150crr will do for SRK?
And how good 90-100crrs will do for HR? Except that may be few headlines that SRK won the clash. But later on only final total matters. Same happened with ADHM and Shivaay.
Fools. May be these results will open their eyes that it’s better to release solo during non holiday rather than clashing on holidays.
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January 28, 2017 at 6:07 AM
” fools ” they are like two peas in a ” pod “..
I agree with rajroshan,kaabil was only capable of 100cr max,with solo release it would have done another 10cr,Raees is a biggest loser here..srk has this agenda of clashing and beating the opponent..as jayshah said above its raees knocked raees out..
mind you Raees is beating kaabil handsomely in overseas..srk brand is showing again..might beat dangal in overseas aswell..
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January 28, 2017 at 6:28 AM
vijay,dangal did close to 30m$ in overseas,how wld raees get close to that i don’t know bcoz dangal did 12.5m$ in NA alone and SRK highest grosser in NA is CE with just 5.5m$.even in gulf where dangal underperformed did 8.4-8.5m$(don’t what is final fig,started slow in gulf but trended very well),even UK is close to 2.5m pounds,was also record breaking in Aus.Dangal overperformed in overseas considering it’s genre only due to 1 name and the name we all know.
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January 28, 2017 at 6:49 AM
aamirsaurab,
Raees will do more in overseas then domestic,kaabil is really very poor, maybe Raees will reach Dangal target in coming weeks…srk brand is enough to create havoc , I am not sure in usa or other overseas screening but in uk..
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clearly raees is killing kaabil in uk
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January 28, 2017 at 7:00 AM
To add one more thing vijay,china release of dangal is also expected in mid 17 which can add 8m-10m$ minimum to the total.remember aamir is like 1-10 in china and for that matter even in japan.many sallu fans jump that BB and sultan didn’t released in china which led to a much lesser overseas collns for both compared to PK but they wldn’t even had done 1m$ over there.HNY didn’t even do 0.5m$ over there.reason is there is no indian diaspora in china.immense popularity of aamir is mainly due to 3I which connected with chinese audience in a huge huge way. not many are aware 3I was nominated in japanese academy awards in foreign language category.there were various articles on aamir’s popularity in china,one hailing him as the next big foreign star(excluding hollywood ofcoure).i m attaching that Article.WHOLE BOLLYWOOD COMMANDS LESSER POPULARITY THAN AAMIR IN CHINA.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/05/27/could-bollywoods-aamir-khan-be-chinas-next-big-movie-star/#6840b3f23cf3
on a lighter note satyam bhai,i hope u r happy with these long comments of mine.
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January 28, 2017 at 7:13 AM
Vijay UK market is dead and very small compared to US,there is no significant increase from many years,it might outgross in UK,but still US difference wld be much bigger for both films,(in favour of dangal) also aus.honestly i don’t see how raees wld do more than 25m$ in overseas.u can see the UK highest grosser is 2.75mpounds(3.45M$),while dangal did 2.5mpounds(3.1M$) in UK.let’s say raees do a record breaking biz of 3mpounds in UK(3.75M$),even then difference in UK collns wld be hardly 3.75-3.1=0.65m$,while if with raees SRK also stretches himself to the fullest and do let’s say even 7m$(though looks very togh),diff in NA collns wld be 5.5m$.so combined diff wld be min.5.5-0.65=4.85m$ in favour of dangal.plus australia for dangal was out of world and that wld add 1m$ more in favour of dangal.i hope u wld have got it now.
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January 28, 2017 at 7:54 AM
aamirshaurab,
I am talking about the clash of Raees vs Kaabil in overseas..kaabil is much done & dusted by monday,other hand Raees will continue in coming weeks,maybe dangal is out of reach but surely BB sultan it will beat those,Dangal was one of those film that it will have have repeats flogging in where as Raees is mostly one time see,so is kaabil..we will see in coming weeks but I still say Raees is very comfortable in overseas but domestic is not much difference any difference.
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#Raees – OVERSEAS – Wed to Fri: $ 5.6 million [₹ 38.14 cr]. Extended weekend [Wed to Sun] expected to be approx $ 9 million range. MASSIVE
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#Kaabil Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr. Total: ₹ 38.87 cr. India biz… Biz should witness growth on Sat and Sun.
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#Raees Wed 20.42 cr, Thu 26.30 cr, Fri 13.11 cr. Total: ₹ 59.83 cr. India biz… All set for a big Sat and Sun
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January 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM
vijay if my memory serves me right dangal 4 day weekend was abt 9m$,while for raees 5 day ext.weekend wld be 9m$.so,u can see the diff there only plus dangal had almost 5 open weeks as OK jaanu hardly matters for overseas,while for raees it wld be only just more than 2 open weeks.dangal did abt 16m$ in week1 in overseas and from there it stretched to almost 30m$ tells us something abt dangal trending.sultan had similar week1 but finished at 24m$.
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January 27, 2017 at 10:30 PM
What SRK’s Raees needs is 10 days of Double digit buisness. Though it is tough.This way it will reach nearer 150 before second weekend. Then weeknd buisness will do rest. Working day (Monday to friday can do Double digit buisness because Single screen and Mass centres are driving this film).
21+26+13+18+22+10+10+10+10+10 = 150
PS- This is the best case scenario.
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January 28, 2017 at 8:14 AM
double digit mon to thur is not happening. I’ll be shocked if it’s over 6 crs daily mon to thur.
Kaabil may over take the daily collection if multiplex is as strong as being report by some sites.
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January 28, 2017 at 8:16 AM
yes 13 cr fri is clear indication that mon wld be hardly 8-9cr and then god knows plus delhi/up is not performing which is most important from trending pt of view.
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January 27, 2017 at 11:20 PM
Play it again RAFA….(Courtesy- Casablanca..Play it again Sam)..
Was planning to watch Raees on Saunday evening. But preponed it. Now will watch Raees today. On Sunday evening will cheer for RAFA. I hope it will be a 5 set epic. Grand Slam no 15. He has 2 wimbldon, 2 US Open and Hopefully 2 Aus Open. Already he is king of clay.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:48 AM
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/raees-kaabil-box-office-collection-shah-rukh-khan-hrithik-roshan/1/868406.html
What?!!
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January 28, 2017 at 1:02 AM
LOL. The collections of Kaabil has became a joke. Even regular Taran Adarsh is not tweeting Kaabil’s fake collections and appears to be mad about it. He’s just tweeting Raees collections. So much blatant lies all over.
See the clear sarcasm in their reporting as well. (whole parivar) :).
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January 28, 2017 at 1:02 AM
http://i.imgur.com/JIDk6Mn.png?1
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January 28, 2017 at 1:39 AM
That’s the first time Taran has genuine sarcasm, hilarious! He’s absolved himself of responsibilities, just pushed onto Roshan’s.
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January 28, 2017 at 3:25 AM
people need to get a reality check. Taran has very much tweeted about kaabil and expects it to grow big over weekend
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#Kaabil Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr. Total: ₹ 38.87 cr. India biz… Biz should witness growth on Sat and Sun.
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January 28, 2017 at 2:37 AM
KAABIL grabs Raees by its collar on Day 3
Kaabil has been closing in on its gap with Raees which released on 60% screens ever since the release. The first day started with a near 10 cr gap and its the third day today and kaabil has already grabbed raees’s throat and has send shivers down the spine of the Raees team. The saturday and sunday numbers are expected to be quite similar for both with kaabil having a clear chance to outdo Raees on either saturday or sunday. Here is the trend
DAY 1 2 3
KAABIL 10.43 18.67 9.77
RAEES 20.42 26.30 13.11
GAP 9.99 7.63 3.34
It must be noted that kaabil budget is almost 50% of Raees but looking at the positive trend of kaabil over raees, there is a good chance that it will overtake raees in a matter of days.
Prediction:
#Kaabil weekend expected to cross 60 cr. Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr, Sat 11 cr, Sun 15 cr. First week in 85cr+
#Raees Wed 20.42 cr, Thu 26.30 cr, Fri 13.11 cr, Sat 14 cr, Sun, 17 cr, First week in 90cr+
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January 28, 2017 at 2:41 AM
Hi Rakesh ji, how ru?
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January 28, 2017 at 3:19 AM
very relaxed. just checked on bookmyshow the user ratings as well. now going for afternoon sleep
Kaabil – 84%
Raees – 77%
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January 28, 2017 at 3:18 AM
How will it outdo Raees even when your weekend predictions are opposite?
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January 28, 2017 at 3:20 AM
“outdo” Raees on a day to day basis. The gap has closed in dramatically in just 3 days. Raees is having a free fall and kaabil is holding well. The morning shows today started higher than wed and fri according to addatoday.com
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January 28, 2017 at 3:26 AM
Out do is different to closing gap. Former means takeover, latter means catching up but still behind.
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January 28, 2017 at 3:36 AM
http://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/raees-vs-kaabil-srk-hrithiks-films-have-opened-a-pandoras-box-of-bollywood-clashes-3223330.html
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January 28, 2017 at 3:22 AM
Numbers don’t add up for Kaabil. It is totaling to approx. 65 cr. Raees weekend number add to 90 cr in your comment above. Comparing week to weekend?
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January 28, 2017 at 8:39 AM
Yes, it does add up. you have to use Roshan Calculator 🙂
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January 28, 2017 at 9:15 AM
yes there is a typo about raees. weekend for kaabil adds to 65 cr
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January 28, 2017 at 5:25 AM
The news report from Pakistan that two of their TV/film actors Adnan Siddiqui and Sajal Ali would be coming to India shortly to shoot for the new Sridevi starrer Mom was met by disbelief shock and dismay by the film industry.
Just months ago in keeping with the deteriorating relations between India and Pakistan, a blanket ban had been imposed on all Pakistani arises entry into India eventuating in protests against the presence of Fawad Khan in Karan Johar’s Ae Dil Hai Mushkil and Mahira Khan in Raees. The objections were waived aside under the assurance that no more Pakistani artistes will be entertained by the entertainment industry in India until relations between the two countries improve.
Now the jubilant reports from Pakistan of two artistes joining the cast and crew of producer Boney Kapoor’s Mom has caused some serious embarrassment in political circles.
Commenting on the development the BJP’s spokesperson Shaina NC said, “First of all, this report has not been confirmed by Mr Boney Kapoor. We do hope it’s not true. Secondly the entry in India of Pakistani artistes is at the moment nearly impossible as no visas are being granted to Pakistanis except for emergencies. In case it is true we would like to gently point out the insensitivity of considering Pakistani artistes for Bollywood at a time when relations between the two countries have hit rock bottom.”
Shaina asks the entire entertainment industry to desist from delving into derived. “Why so we need to get talent from Pakistan when we have so much talent in India? There are so many hopeful aspirants hovering in Bollywood waiting for a chance. Why deprive them of their jobs? I think a producer of Boney Kapoor’s experience and maturity should realize this is not the right time to cast Pakistani artistes.”
Reacting to the reports of the Pakistani artistes being brought in for shooting in India, Boney Kapoor said, “Whatever we shot with the Pakistani artists was before the unofficial ban. There is no question of bringing them into India now. We are shooting the remaining portion of the film in Thailand.”
– See more at: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/boney-kapoor-clarifies-stance-employing-pakistani-artists-film-mom/#sthash.0nZJjaVq.dpuf
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January 28, 2017 at 6:30 AM
Seems a rumour on whatsapp about a dream sequence between the female lead and Khilji that triggered this assault.
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January 28, 2017 at 7:45 AM
It doesn’t take much to brainwash tolerant people of India. I’ve witnessed it many times.
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January 28, 2017 at 6:38 AM
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/British-actor-John-Hurt-star-of-The-Elephant-Man-is-no-more/article17107595.ece?homepage=true
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January 28, 2017 at 8:18 AM
For the non fan of SRK who has seen Raees, is it worth spending $14?
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January 28, 2017 at 8:53 AM
23 titles, AMAZING…
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/serena-williams-tops-sister-venus-at-australian-open-to-win-record-breaking-23rd-grand-slam-title-100104976.html
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January 28, 2017 at 9:36 AM
yes and now either Nadal will cross Sampras’s 14 or federer will have 18.
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January 28, 2017 at 9:57 AM
Would love to see Fed get this but I think Nad is too much in his head.
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January 28, 2017 at 10:37 AM
yes I’m also backing federer here. never been a Nadal fan anyway.
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January 28, 2017 at 9:07 AM
https://thereel.scroll.in/827905/sanjay-leela-bhansalis-upcoming-historical-movie-padmavati-is-all-set-for-a-trial-by-fire
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January 28, 2017 at 9:11 AM
Next Bhansali can try remaking Chaudvin ka Chand with Deepika doing Waheeda’s role.
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January 28, 2017 at 9:56 AM
http://www.india-forums.com/bollywood/hot-n-happening/74420-javed-akhtar-to-give-parle-g-a-new-campaign.htm
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January 28, 2017 at 11:33 AM
Kaabil is really good. Except for the initial bits (only for a few minutes) and the untimely Sara Zamana remix song the rest of the movie is extremely enjoyable. Very well made revenge story. Should trend really good.
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January 28, 2017 at 11:43 AM
Raees is doing very well today…could cross 17 crs…sunday advance is already very good and almost certainly will cross 20..Is there any point in me talking about Kaabil…numbers are anyways going to inflated…
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January 28, 2017 at 11:56 AM
How good are the advances? Was just going through BMS , seems to be just OK.In comparison Dangal was a riot on BMS for 10 days.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:08 PM
Dangal is not a very good comparison…That’s on another scale…The advance is better than Saturdays and 20+ should be possible…
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January 28, 2017 at 12:37 PM
rohit jaiswal @rohitjswl01 · 4m4 minutes ago
Majority of Multiplex shows are on FAST FILLING mode for #Raees tommrw.. 1 thing is Confirmed… 21-22cr is Definitely onn… @iamsrk
Almost 900 Single scrns thruout India is now HOUSEFULL for tommrw MAT & EVE shows.. #Raees @iamsrk @rahuldholakia
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January 28, 2017 at 12:42 PM
As I said the families affecting lot. All my friends has kids and they can’t go to this movie as they don’t have anyone to baby sit and then whole family’s idea to go to movies changes. Only few guys go to movies without their families/kids here. If it was a family friendly film, more people would at least go out to check it out.
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January 28, 2017 at 11:59 AM
Raees has done just 1m$ in first 3 days in NA.this is worse than i expected,it wld hardly do abt 2.25m$ in NA in extended weekend and then abt 4m$ after week1. 7m$ is max. i m seeing in NA.dangal has done abt 12.5m$ there just now.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:08 PM
shocking raees is struggling there..
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January 28, 2017 at 12:04 PM
kaabil is stiff competion on 4th day,
earlier boi were declaring that kaabil is struggling
Kaabil 3rd Day Collection – Rs. 9.77 cr
kaabil 4th day collection – Rs. 12 cr (early estimates)
Kabil 4 days BO collection – Rs. 50 cr (to be updated)
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January 28, 2017 at 12:08 PM
vijay,38 cr is producer’s no. which is not true,it has done 31-32 cr till yesterday.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:16 PM
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh 11h11 hours ago
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#Kaabil Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr. Total: ₹ 38.87 cr. India biz… Biz should witness growth on Sat and Sun.
I do not think that taran is lying
todays is 12cr approx
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January 28, 2017 at 12:20 PM
vijay,taran doesn’t gather data,he just quotes producer’s figure.if producer wld say 100cr till yesterday,he wld quote that.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:27 PM
There is also a lot of fuss about manipulation in Kaabil collection. As a result, the trade has been divided into two groups. Our stance on the issue is quite clear that if there will be more than 20% in trade and official figures over the weekend, we will opt for the former. It has been done for films like Mastizaade, Sanam Re etc. However, this does not apply to those films that we have not tracked. Though we are working to make the earlier data more accurate by collaborating with Box Office India. The more about this issue will be explained on Monday.
Kaabil 4th Day Collection (Saturday)
11.5-12 Crore
No
Collection
Day 1
10.43
Day 2
18.67
Day 3
9.77
Day 4
11.5-12
Total
49.87 Cr
https://www.bollyarena.net/kaabil-4th-day-box-office-collection/
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January 28, 2017 at 12:14 PM
Folks, Papa Roshans collections are easily higher than trade figures by 2.5 crs daily…So the stiff competition is actually dependent on what collections you are following. At least 2 more sites are refusing to take Papa Roshans calculators. They are quoting it but not sugar coating it like how KRK is doing..
Check this link of bollyarena.net
https://www.bollyarena.net/kaabil-4th-day-box-office-collection/
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The trade is pretty much laughing at Papa Roshan now…Boxofficecapsule is another site who is quoting Papa’s collection but refusing to sugar coat it like how some links above are saying “Kaabil will take Raees by the collar” and what not..
Its simple…Roshans are liars…Nothing more to add here..
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January 28, 2017 at 12:18 PM
” Its simple…Roshans are liars…Nothing more to add here..”
just like boi is for srk films turbo boost as usual..not 2.5cr but 4,5 cr for srk films…
no difference from papa roshan to boi…both inflating for both films then
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January 28, 2017 at 12:34 PM
The numbers for raees are not inflated…Whoever is saying this has no clue whatsoever. Anyways is there even any alternative number for Raees apart from official numbers? Then whats the debate here? BOIs numbers for SRK movies have usually been lower than official figures. JTHJ was a good 20 crs lower. HNY also in 20 crs lower. CE is around 20 crs lower. BOIs commentary and rating are suspect but their numbers are always within the acceptable range for most movies…infact almost always lower than official…
The issue of Roshans is not the same as for other movies. Roshans invariably have been quoting 30 to 40 percent above actuals. People really don’t have an issue if the collections are +/- 10%…That much in an unstructured BO like India is par for course. But the Roshans are cheats…That’s not the same as other movies variance…
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January 28, 2017 at 3:11 PM
Krish I have a query regarding 1st day collection of HNY cited by producers which was 44.9 Crores, 2 years have passed since then yet no other movie has come close to that No. despite bigger releases in terms of more screens than HNY have been coming regularly?? So how do you explain such massive discrepancy for a single day collection which if compared with BOI No. is almost 8.5 Crores more & that too for a single day!! Is this not cheating?? And most of Shahrukh movies intially also have an inflated total which BOI adjusts after months & years, be it OSO, CE, HNY, RNBDJ & many more!! So it’s not as if Shahrukh is “Doodh ka dhula” but he is like ” Hamam me sab nange” . Difference is of magnitude as Roshans make a mockery of themselves in this game by inflating the No. to an insane level where they are exposed by overdoing it!!
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January 29, 2017 at 10:21 AM
And HNY was pulled up for that….I do remember articles telling about discrepancy…In the end the discrepancy was around 20 crs…Considering the first day was 7 crs higher later obviously they had the sense not to inflate it…Official number was 204 and BOI had it at 180 i think…There was a Tamil and regional version which added to BOIs numbers……After that I think Red chillies have stuck to their numbers and even if it were low like Fan they havent tried to inflate it…
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January 28, 2017 at 12:26 PM
My god,bollyarena is clearly speaking abt manipulation and they r collobrating with BOI.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:14 PM
Finally there is an update on dangal overseas.last updste was 29.43m$ till sunday.
29.69m$ till friday.it means it added 0.26m$ in last 5 days.just go for 30m$ dangal.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:06 PM
Raees vs Kaabil: SRK, Hrithik’s films have opened a Pandora’s Box of Bollywood clashes
http://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/raees-vs-kaabil-srk-hrithiks-films-have-opened-a-pandoras-box-of-bollywood-clashes-3223330.html
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January 28, 2017 at 12:38 PM
Raees has Good Saturday – Kaabil Grows Well
Saturday 28 January 2017 23.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raaes has had a good Saturday with business going to around 16 crore nett while Kaabil is on the lower side at 11 crore nett but has managed to grow well on Saturday at around 45%. It probably needed to grow a bit more at around 50-60% but its still reasonable growth. The film seems to be doing better on the non working days with collections going low on working days. Now it is about Sunday and if it can do a repeat of the Sunday growth it could be in a position to have a chance of holiding over the weekdays. The four day business of the film is 42 crore nett which is low but reasonable considering it started with only 8 crore entt on day one.The film jumped well at multiplexes on Saturday especially in North India.
Raees has put up a good number on Saturday of 16 crore nett and had growth of around 20-25%. It was less than Kaabil bt that is expected as collections were nearly double on Friday. The film has now collected 75.5 crore nett in four days which is a good total with Sunday to come which could push towards the 20 crore nett mark though there is a cricket match which could hit collections on Sunday. Raees is doing good business all over barring Delhi /UP and East Punjab where it is average. It has a healthy lead of 33 crore nett against its rival Kaabil and as yet Kaabil has not started making any inroads in the gap.
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January 28, 2017 at 12:40 PM
Acc to BOI, in 4 days..
Raees – 75.5 crs
Kaabil – 42 crs
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January 28, 2017 at 1:25 PM
Raees par the course. Par on golf course.
Kaabil is below par. Bogey on golf course.
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January 28, 2017 at 1:44 PM
well-stated..
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January 28, 2017 at 2:39 PM
Kaabil started off being 38% of Raees collections using BOI figures and on Saturday is 68%-
So,it is certainly narrowing the gap and is doing better than people were giving it credit for.
In golf parlance, it was 10 shots behind in round one
In second round it is 7 shots behind
Unless, Raees triple bogeys or Kaabil gets a hole in one,it is never going to catch up. But, looks like it will not be a crushing defeat:-)
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January 28, 2017 at 4:33 PM
That is true, it’s no Mohenjo-Daro, but Hrithik needed something more than not having a crushing defeat.
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January 28, 2017 at 5:32 PM
But why they have to talk about a cricket match here. I mean it’s not like a world cup is going on. It’s not even IPL.
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January 28, 2017 at 4:30 PM
http://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/dangal-s-fatima-sana-shaikh-had-lost-her-confidence-as-an-actor-before-the-film/story-q9evFrJKV9ROVKZEqRHsnK.html
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January 28, 2017 at 9:46 PM
Back from Rees.
1st half 4 out of 5
2nd half 2.5 out of 5
Will add more info tomorrow.
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January 29, 2017 at 12:04 AM
Good. Expected rating.
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January 29, 2017 at 1:16 AM
I wish I cud know the reason for botching up the second half..it cud have been so much better.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:44 AM
1st half, good as any films in a decade. The setting, fast moving of the story and this brought back the glory days where audience is given view into lead actor right from the childhood days and develop the story around it. SRK intro was awesome. humor was in right dose and it was a believable setting and story. Me being a Gujarati muslim, I could relate to so many things in the movie that some others might miss.
2nd half, gets very serious and seems like RGV film. The whole movie setting is primarely muslim life/culture (which I think will tank the movie starting monday), it’s a heavy/violent film. The film has a lot of Gujarati word which most will get but some may not.
It’s weird I thought the movie seems like it ended 10 minutes early but on whole the movie could easily be trimmed 10 to 15 minutes and not lose anything. The ending seems abrupt but I got the main point about “Agar main nahi aata to aap mere log ko chod dete kya” (I think it meant for the whole muslim community, not his family).
Film has many great dialogues. “Basti/Maholla bachate bachate, pura saher jala diya” was great.
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January 29, 2017 at 9:07 AM
So you think the muslim culture is dragging it down? But That wasnt the complaint about it so far..
I cant remember it as so violent also..I loved the Anti-booze rally scene..very sharply done. Maybe not a very healthy image, but SRK in slo-mo with that burning bottle in hand was like superb!
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January 29, 2017 at 9:46 AM
There were a lot of old style hero moment in this film.
Yes, I think muslim culture will brig it down after weekend. Nobody is going to say in review that muslim culture is down side of the film. but in a country where 75% of people are non-muslim. I mean the muslim things like muharram, the way it was shown, we have not seen it in big Bollywood films. Think of fight with cutoff goat head, when have we seen that? I think I would be put off by that whole meat market portion if you’re a pure vegetarian, no?
Perhaps I’m not explaining myself clearly but I think the muslim angle will cut into business after weekend. IF it doesn’t than people have truly liked the film. I think people already have otherwise the movie would have started tanking from day 2 since there was another option.
By the way, the clash has hurt both films since both films are decent where if it had came solo, it would have surely added anywhere from 25 to 50 crore to grand total. Papa would not have needed the Roshan calculator than 🙂
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January 29, 2017 at 10:02 AM
Well, imo, half the support Hrithik is getting for this film is of anti-srk, anti-raees momentum..otherwise I don’t think Kaabil will have too many takers. Sometimes clash is a good thing too, in some situations, for some films.
I am not a vegetarian, but the meat market portion was a bit to the extreme.. At the end of the fight SRK goes sprawling down between all that and it was like yuck!!!!!
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January 29, 2017 at 12:18 AM
Raaes has had a good Saturday with business going to around 16 crore nett while Kaabil is on the lower side at 11 crore nett but has managed to grow well on Saturday at around 45%. It probably needed to grow a bit more at around 50-60% but its still reasonable growth. The film seems to be doing better on the non working days with collections going low on working days. Now it is about Sunday and if it can do a repeat of the Sunday growth it could be in a position to have a chance of holiding over the weekdays. The four day business of the film is 42 crore nett which is low but reasonable considering it started with only 8 crore entt on day one.The film jumped well at multiplexes on Saturday especially in North India.
Raees has put up a good number on Saturday of 16 crore nett and had growth of around 20-25%. It was less than Kaabil bt that is expected as collections were nearly double on Friday. The film has now collected 75.5 crore nett in four days which is a good total with Sunday to come which could push towards the 20 crore nett mark though there is a cricket match which could hit collections on Sunday. Raees is doing good business all over barring Delhi /UP and East Punjab where it is average. It has a healthy lead of 33 crore nett against its rival Kaabil and as yet Kaabil has not started making any inroads in the gap.
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2669
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January 29, 2017 at 1:59 AM
BOI is giving higher numbers for Raees. Their biases towards SRK is pretty apparent.
Saturday official numbers for Raees is 15.61 cr as per Taran’s tweet.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:55 AM
May be Raees makers are giving geniune nos.. So many distributers have been tweeting nos these days and those are matching with BOI..
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January 29, 2017 at 9:02 AM
BOI said around 16 crore which is very close to 15.61. How do you explain the 2 to 3 crores difference for kaabil?
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January 29, 2017 at 12:31 AM
KRK BOX OFFICE @KRKBoxOffice 11h11 hours ago
Today #Raees collected approx 15Cr n #Kaabil collected approx 9Cr from 40% screens share in India.
Doomsday is near. KRK gave kabil’s no les then BOI.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:09 AM
Kaabil joins esteem club of Krrish 3, Bang Bang and Shivaay.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:16 AM
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January 29, 2017 at 2:17 AM
Another exhibitor from Bengal sumit kadel boycotts Kaabil.
I boycott #kaabil , i will not tweet about this movie anymore. I dont support manipulation. Best of luck to the whole team .
11:10 PM – 28 Jan 2017 from Kolkata, India
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January 29, 2017 at 2:29 AM
Don’t know how low these Roshans fall? Hrithik is so talented that they don’t need this silly manipulation for every movie of his. Even with this manipulation will barely touch 100cr and they are already throwing success parties. Good help them!!
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January 29, 2017 at 2:33 AM
Sabjay Gupta took minutes to block this exhibitor once he exposed them!!
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January 29, 2017 at 3:08 AM
I will confess I accept the wide view that HR is a big star but talent I don’t know. I watched KNPH only based on the hype from media. Barring Ek Pal La Jeena, dancing & good looks I didn’t see a talented actor. I only saw a new poster boy. He quickly changed my thoughts as Fiza, Mission Kashmir he had a sense of vulnerability which I don’t know was a young nervous actor or genuine acting. KMG was a good moment and 2006 a great ‘star’ year but he has not improved as an actor at all.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:20 AM
Agreed completely with Jay Shah here though after a long time..lol
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January 29, 2017 at 10:06 AM
He was quite effective in JA as well.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:50 AM
These sumet kadel and the ilk are mere phonies on twitter trying to get some publicity. This is the new trend on twitter where any Tom, Dick and harry declares himself as a “trade analyst” and pretends how he will not post “manipulated figures” to get his 2 mins of fame.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:58 AM
So who are you..which figures you are posting?
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January 29, 2017 at 4:05 AM
I am posting the official figures posted by Bollywoodhungama
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January 29, 2017 at 4:06 AM
Bollywood Hungama @Bollyhungama 2h2 hours ago
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#BoxOffice @iHrithik ‘s #Kaabil collects Rs. 13.54cr on Day4. Wed 10.43cr, Thu (Republic Day) 18.67cr Fri 9.77cr
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January 29, 2017 at 4:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Bollyhungama/status/825603638412275712
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January 29, 2017 at 4:14 AM
Saturday 13.54 and 11.54 ..both?
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January 29, 2017 at 4:16 AM
Lol.. 13.54 is Roshan number, 11.54 is real number.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:34 AM
Sunday 29 January 2017 11.30 IST
Boxofficeindia
Kaabil (Hindi) grew well on Saturday as collections improved around 40% from the day before which is good growth but still overall collections remain on the lower side. The film grossed 10.75 crore nett on Saturday taking its four day total to 41.75 crore nett. If the film had grown another 15-20% it would be in a better position as now it has to repeat the sort of growth it had on Saturday on Sunday again. The weekday business will be cruccial for the film and the holds will have to be very strong which may allow it to challenge Raees in the second week The four three day business of Kaabil (Hindi) is as follows..
Wednesday – 8,00,00,000
Thursday – 15,50,00,000
Friday – 7,50,00,000
Saturday – 10,75,00,000
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January 29, 2017 at 3:35 AM
Boxofficeindia
Raees had good collections on Saturday as it collected around 15.50 crore nett taling its four day total to a healthy 75 crore nett. The film jumped around 20% from the previous day which had seen a big fall as it came after the big national holiday. Sunday should see a jump although there is the cricket match which may affect the collections. Then it will be down to the crucial Monday and weekday business which will determine whether film can become a hit or not. Raees has beaten the competition of Kaabil as it leads by over 30 crore nett in just four days and that its near impossible for Kaabil to get that back but its still open to question whether Raees will sustain after the weekend. The first four day business of Raees is as follows.
Wednesday – 20,25,00,000
Thursday – 26,25,00,000
Friday – 13,00,00,000
Saturday – 15,50,00,000
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January 29, 2017 at 3:39 AM
Raees Grosses Over 145 Crores At The Worldwide Box Office
By Koimoi.com Team -January 29, 2017
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Shah Rukh Khan’s Raees is witnessing an exceptional run not only in India but also in overseas market.
Till now, this action crime thriller has grossed 107.56 crores (nett. 76.83 crores) at the domestic box office and 38 crores in the international markets.
Raees now stands with a global total of 145.56 crores at the box office.
The film will soon enter the elite club of 100 crore at the domestic market.
Produced under the banners of Red Chillies Productions and Excel Entertainment, the film stars Mahira Khan and Nawazuddin Siddiqui in key roles.
Note: The worldwide total was miscalculated last evening. We apologise for the mistake.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:46 AM
The tenth season of Bigg Boss has not been very fruitful for the makers — as per BARC ratings, the show has not made it to the top five most-watched Hindi entertainment shows even once. And desperate times seem to have forced Bigg Boss into desperate measures. From allowing rude and violent contestants (Swami Om and Priyanka Jagga) to stay in the show to arranging a real marriage (Monalisa and Vikrant) inside the house, the makers tried everything in the book (and more) to grab eyeballs. Sadly, they stooped too low in the process and yet, failed to get the much-coveted ratings.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/bigg-boss-10-when-the-show-failed-to-impress-despite-stooping-low/story-dC4kG9FqhQrk81sb7dgSbJ.html
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January 29, 2017 at 3:47 AM
KAABIL GETS FRIGHTENINGLY CLOSE TO RAEES ON DAY 4
Kaabil is now shying with the Raees figures on a dialy basis with the gap now frighteningly close to just above 2 crores. It must be noted that Raees released on 60% screens while Kaabil got just 40%. The first day started with a near 10 cr gap but has been declining sharply. The word of mouth has clearly gone in favour of Kaabil and it will be interesting to see if Kaabil can eventually outdo Raees in the lifetime.
DAY 1 2 3 4
KAABIL 10.43 18.67 9.77 13.54
RAEES 20.42 26.30 13.11 15.61
GAP 9.99 7.63 3.34 2.07
PREDICTION:
#KAABIL weekend expected to cross 65 crores. Wed 10.43 cr, Thu 18.67 cr, Fri 9.77 cr Sat 13.54 cr, Sun 16 cr. First week in 85 cr+
#Raees Weekend expected to cross 90 crores. Wed 20.42 cr, Thu 26.30 cr, Fri 13.11 cr, Sat 15.61 cr, Sun : 18 cr. First week in 110cr+
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January 29, 2017 at 4:14 AM
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January 29, 2017 at 7:35 AM
It’s GS 18 for Federer as he defeats Nadal in 5 setter, pleasntly surprising given mental edge Nadal has been having over him for past few years in slam finals! Yet a spectacular win defeating his bete noire especially keeping his age in mind!!
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January 29, 2017 at 7:37 AM
yes he’s finally done it..
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January 29, 2017 at 7:38 AM
Thank you Federer. Now retire. You are the best. Nothing to prove.
6 months out, beaten top 5 players, your biggest rival. Nothing emotionally can beat this.
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January 29, 2017 at 7:48 AM
I agree completely, there couldn’t possibly be a better time for him to retire (I’d say he already took too long). Hope he doesn’t keep deluding himself that this is repeatable.
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January 29, 2017 at 7:50 AM
French he can’t win. Wimbledon is only one. Pointless holding out for more. He can only be driven by the love of playing now. He doesn’t want to be the great player who loses in firstrounds.
It’s the greatest way to leave especially 6 months out, it shows how naturally gifted he is. He’s not a beast or physical player. But naturally gifted. I hope he retires.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:02 AM
He should take a break from the French and just take a shot at Wimbledon, i.e. if he really wants to go on and decide finally then.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:11 AM
Yes true. Is he on 7 Wimbledon titles? I think so, it’s tied with sampras. By then he can only get worse, others will improve. I think Federer is like Tendulkar, he had records in mind but his thirst for playing is #1.
This is a competitive era. Multiple GS winners. Federer, Nadal, Novak, Murray, Stan. Tennis will be dull in 5 years time unless some new guys really start impressing quickly.
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January 29, 2017 at 9:49 AM
Yes he and Sampras have 7 each..
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January 29, 2017 at 8:04 AM
some interesting stats HERE
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January 29, 2017 at 8:25 AM
I say go out on high and it can’t get any better than this. Very happy for him winning this one.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:30 AM
Too good to be true…Cried for a good minute after he won…Greatest of all time
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January 29, 2017 at 8:51 AM
Not sure if anybody follows Girls College Basketball but UCONN is on 95 win streak. Amazing.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:10 AM
Worth getting up at 3.30 in am. I think he wants to keep going but as a fan, I too want him to go out on top.
Always hard for the top players to let go but celebrate this moment as it was ultra special and a very gracious speech as well.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:38 AM
agreed…
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January 29, 2017 at 7:47 AM
Great Sunday! So much suspense and now so much relief ! The King returned though for a brief while. Dreading to hear that Fedex lost once more.
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January 29, 2017 at 7:52 AM
Unbelievable. After 4th set I had almost given hope of Fed winning. Was getting more disappointed as this version of Nadal is very much defeatable. But glad that Fed won and hold the nerve to lift the trophy.
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January 29, 2017 at 7:37 AM
I see a lot of people here unnecessarily repetitive with their comments or putting up too many silly things.. such stuff will either be deleted or the person will go into moderation. I’ve already done this in a couple of places.
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January 29, 2017 at 9:23 AM
Raees is at 6.7m$ till yesterday in overseas 4 days.dangal did abt 9m$ in 4 day weekend.many were shouting from rooftop abt raees overseas though gulf is extraordinary at abt 3m$.
https://twitter.com/taran_adarsh?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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January 29, 2017 at 9:50 AM
aamirsaurabh, Raees is not a Christmas/New Year 10 day holiday period release.
What raees is doing is not bad at all keeping in mind release date, there is a compitition in form of kaabil and it’s not family friendly film at all. Let’s not keep trying to compare it to dangal. Raees won’t get to 50% dangal.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:00 AM
@Z,i agree with u though Gulf is compensating somebit due to total muslim setting which even u r suggesting through things as muharram and meat market etc.i can tell u with certainty it cld be hinderance for pure hindu vegetarians as i m myself a pure vegetarian and i cld never enjoy all these things.but this holds totally in favour in a circuit like Gulf.hope collns in ind shows this from yesterday onwards.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:49 AM
The Case Against the Roshans
Yet another HR release and yet another set of widely discrepant figures about and a fresh crop of allegations and insults hurled at the Roshans.
Till so far,I have bought into the largely prevalent belief here that the Roshans and the dad in particular is feeding false figures without caring much to look at the evidence.
It just struck me that there is indeed a possibility that the truth could be different or somewhere in between.
The main thrust of this vilification of the Roshans is the discrepancy between producer totals and BOI numbers. There are some sites which quote similar numbers as BOI which are possibly related sites or using their numbers.
It is impossible to know the truth since there are no other independent verifiable agencies for box office data.
I am still not convinced that senior Roshan is telling the truth and am best a reluctant convert but I would like to hear from some here who have trade connections what they think or know.
I don’t want to hear that the truth is somewhere in between unless you can tell me if it is closer to BOI or producer totals.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:56 AM
@rajen.Taran adarsh has also taken a dig at roshans abt fake collns,also 1 exhibitor has also boycotted kabil,there r more such instances.there is never a smoke without fire.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:12 AM
Another win for Sindhu in Syed Modi Grand Prix held at Lucknow as she defeated her opponent easily & won her maiden Syed Modi Grand Prix Gold title in Lucknow on Sunday with a straight-game victory over Indonesia’s Gregoria Mariska. Sindhu won the women’s singles summit clash 21-13, 21-14. Great to see Indian players excelling in different sports and maintaining their level at the top consistently, earlier it was Sania & Saina (still dominating) now Sindhu, K. Srikanth in badminton, Harikrishna in chess, Phogat sisters & Sakshi Malik in Wrestling, Deepa Karmakar in gymastics, entire kabaddi team & some other talented young players in other sports making India proud. Hope to see more players emerging out in different sports at the international level making India proud at such events.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:24 AM
This is from Indicine Q&A section which is related to inflating the collections of movie by the producers:
Q. Are the makers of Kaabil manipulating the collections because there seems to be a lot of difference in trade and producer figure?
A. A couple of things here. One, the ‘manipulation’ that we talk about, should not be a comparison between figures released from one source in the trade to the official figures released by the producers. ‘Manipulation’ can happen from both sides. Two, it is impossible for any one apart from the producers to track box office collections. For example, how will anyone know how much a film has collected at a single-screen, which sells paper tickets? So every figure that’s put out is an estimate with upto 10% error margin (could be more sometimes). Also, some producers include collections from Nepal in their figures, the trade source might not include. Producers also include collections from Telugu and Tamil version into their figures, some trade sources don’t.
We are very clear about one thing and that is, there needs to be uniformity. The outrage cannot be selective or for just one film. If we question Kaabil, we have to also question Shivaay, Krrish 3, the first day and lifetime of Happy New Year, the collections of a film like Baby and even the smallest of films.
Inflating box office figures is a sign of weakness and desperation to prove yourself to be bigger than you actually are. The biggest of stars don’t need to inflate. Their box office pull is good enough to see them through to the biggest of numbers. More on this some other time in a separate article.
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/askindicine-qna-6pm/#comments
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January 29, 2017 at 10:57 AM
Good points there.
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January 29, 2017 at 12:13 PM
Good answer by Indicine
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January 29, 2017 at 1:14 PM
All this talk of Producer’s number includes Tamil/Telugu is pure hogwash. Telugu/Tamil is doing no business and are disaster to the core, forget difference for 2-3 crs per day!
Indicine is just going by Producer’s number for daily Kaabil business. Then they try to support it by this way. Not gonna work.
I think no one’s targeting only Kaabil. Samething happened all over during Krrish 3, Bang Bang and Shivaay. Upto 10% is understandable to an extent but not more than that.
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January 29, 2017 at 1:35 PM
It’s also clear indicine, addatoday etc revised comments on Kaabil post producers totals. Through Wednesday it was poor start and average. But when producers totals came that they support they had to slyly amend comments to reflect a late night surge in collections. They all justified this to get from there tracking 8 CR to final 10+ CR. They are now questioning their own logic of using producer totals. I have a tiny bit more sympathy for trade on this score.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:38 PM
HNY first day was by far the biggest hogwash as it “exceeded” all decency & inflated the figure by more than 30% & that too for a single day!! But you would cherrypick Shivaay, Krrish 3, Bang Bang but keep mum on CE’s difference of 20 Crores!! This selective outrage is more harmful as one keeps one’s eyes wide open only when it doesn’t involve one’s favourite which makes the issue fester as positions keep interchanging in this game of manipulation!! Hindi film industry should have an independent tracking system which should be free of any duress or influence, until this happens, such incidents would keep recurring with different names involved!!
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January 29, 2017 at 11:05 AM
New York: An Indian-American woman, who along with her husband had been the inspiration behind Shahrukh Khan’s film Swades, was stopped and asked by police if she was in the US “illegally”, an incident which comes amid rising fears over President Donald Trump’s immigration policies. Ms Pillalamarri, has lived in Bel Air for more than 30 years and is a US citizen.
Aravinda Pillalamarri, 47 was walking in her Bel Air neighbourhood in Maryland on the morning of December 21, a routine with her, when she said she was stopped by a Bel Air Police Department officer, The Baltimore Sun reported.
http://m.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/indian-american-woman-stopped-questioned-about-immigration-status-1653675?pfrom=home-diaspora
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January 29, 2017 at 11:15 AM
Saw that. Really sad.
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January 29, 2017 at 11:16 AM
Aziz Ansari captured it well when he talked about lower case kkk and I think it is rampant. Racial discomfort ( hate to call it racism ) is still rampant and sadly they just feel more emboldened now.
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January 29, 2017 at 11:22 AM
Someone must have complained against her as it usually happens. There are thousands of Indians who walk and jog and they are not interrogated.
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January 29, 2017 at 11:16 AM
Christ, what a fantastic no-ball that was by Mishra!!
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January 29, 2017 at 11:19 AM
Looking tricky!
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January 29, 2017 at 11:57 AM
Whatever the result, low scoring matches with bowlers dominating are so thrilling to watch!!!!
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January 29, 2017 at 12:01 PM
Great win!!
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January 29, 2017 at 12:31 PM
The decision makers don’t realise this at all. The greatest ODI I have watched without India involved is the Australia vs. South Africa semi final in 1999 in England. Only a 225 odd chase it was epic. Of course the repeat match of 430 odd chases was great too. But bowling will fast become the third discipline in cricket behind fielding. Sure not many ‘great’ bowlers exist, but what’s the incentive? To get hit for 4 instead of 6?
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January 29, 2017 at 12:01 PM
ind won.wow unbelievable.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:05 PM
I am responding here to Z’s comment about Raees being affected by ‘Muslim’ cultural practices and so on but also responding to some other things more generally. I’ve argued about this before as well but I find this line of thought extremely troubling. First off I am full aware of how much religious polarization there is in India. I can also understand why a Gujarati Muslim would experience this polarization to a much greater degree. But it’s simply false to attribute this sort of reason to Raees. Why?
1)Let’s look at SRK’s entire history since KANK. The film of his that does well in this entire period is actually the exception to the rule. In any genre. The rule here is that most of his films open well or even great but they all fizzle out. Some trend better than others but the overwhelming majority either fails or underperforms greatly. Irrespective of genre and at every end of the production spectrum. With or without competition, irrespective of release date. I don’t even have to get into the examples. They’re blatantly obvious. Clearly he’s retained his initial as a star but he doesn’t seem to be able to translate this into anything more permanent. but he’s also not at the Salman level of stardom where anything barely half-decent gets to a minimal gross. You combine all of this and he needs really a very good film to get even relatively decent trending. Or else something with a hot director like Shetty and a top actress like Deepika. How many of these films underperformed of failed because of ‘Muslimness’?
2)Z himself admits that the second half is like an RGV film. How many of RGV’s films are great grossers or even strong trenders?
3)You don’t need ‘special’ explanations when there are obvious ones related to the narratives, when there are longer histories and so on. Raees is in keep with what has been par for the course for SRK for more than a decade.
4)I’ll go even further. Even audiences that are polarized by Hindu-Muslim issues or what have you generally tend to leave this sort of stuff behind when they’re watching a movie. If that weren’t the case why would Raees be getting a good initial? Doesn’t the trailer make it rather obvious that he’s a Muslim gangster? The audience saying ‘we’ll tolerate ‘Muslimness’ upto a point and not beyond this’ again is rather hard to believe. That kind of person will simply not show up for such a film. But if such an attitude is so widespread the initial becomes a bit of a mystery!
5)All of this is connected of course to a larger level of ‘fantasy’ involving those who are partisans of SRK one way or the other. All partisans resort to these explanations when it comes to their favorites. There is a huge gap between saying SRK is a big opener still, at least on his day, and that he can get the biggest grossers imaginable. The first part of this statement is self-evident whereas there is no evidence for the second bit. There is currently a gap of 100 crores between SRK’s biggest grosser (CE) and Salman’s biggest. I don’t need to get into the gaps with Aamir’s films. And this has been true at every level since Ghajini. At every point Aamir has been way ahead and then Salman after Dabangg. Is SRK potentially always in a position to get to those totals given some of his openings? yes. But then why doesn’t he? Much as Salman never seems to close the gap with Aamir despite his much greater stardom at the moment relative to SRK. When some here argue that ‘content’ lets SRK down this too is part of the same fantasy. A star is not just his initial but the entire set of his decisions. When enough films disappoint the audience the initial/gross are affected. The WOM doesn’t mean as much. Secondly the ‘content’ argument is a very flimsy one in any case. Most stars at any level would do quite well if the ‘content’ of their films were better! Ranbir had big failures after YJHD because of ‘content’. One could go down the list this way. Whether a star is bigger or smaller than another ‘content’ is always important. Yes stars at their absolute peak can sometimes still do well in nothing films. Salman is at that level. SRK isn’t. Of course SRK was never that kind of star even at his peak. But the gap between the initial and the ‘content’ if you will is structural, not coincidental. I could develop this point more too. The common assumption to all of these fantasies is that SRK is somehow just like Salman or Aamir but he’s choosing the wrong films. He must be incredibly stupid if he’s been choosing the wrong stuff for a dozen years! There are deeper structural reasons for his problems. Could he be in a much better position in terms of his grosses? Sure! But that’s never going to happen except on an exceptional day. the fans surely know this more than anyone else. How many films, big or small, have they waited for thinking ‘hey this is finally the one’?!
6)Z might sincerely believe the religious stuff but I think there’s a simpler explanation possible. As a fan one quite possibly overrates what is an enjoyable enough but not a particularly special film. To then get huge numbers with this kind of film you need to be in Salman’s position. Raees might be way better than Dilwale or HNY or whatever (just the trailer was enough to convince one of this!) but this doesn’t otherwise make it a fantastic film. If one keeps starting with false assumptions one has to keep indulging in fantasies to account for why a certain result doesn’t come about. Notice how BOI keep highlighting ‘SRK’s star power’. There is something called protesting too much! If he were all that they wouldn’t need to say it so many times! Yes he is still an important star, just not the star he once was. And again one can dismiss everything I’m saying here but the history over the last 12 years is plain enough. One can keep making excuses for every release but it adds up eventually. there is a pattern!
the Muslim thing troubles me because there’s simply no need to go that far.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:20 PM
Not sure what this has to do with star power. I think SRK has proved his star power by getting the opening his movies does.
My comment/feeback was simply on muslim angle, it doesn’t matter if it has SRK, salman, Abhi or chunky pandey in it.
In my house, it we’re watching TV and something with pig comes on, we change the channel so my point was on that line that if I’m pure vegetarian, I wouldn’t want to see all that meat and fight sequence with chopped off goat being used as a weapon. And then muharaam and all other scenes.
It was just a thought running thru my mind while watching the movie that I thought there was too much muslimness in the movie.
I keep using desai films examples, in AAA, Rishi was muslim as well as few others but they were just presented as ordinary people with muslim names. In Raees, it’s different or maybe it’s not different but india of today is not what india was in Desai days. And I think that fact made me think that the movie will tank after the initial run. RaOne started tanking from like day 1 cause the movie was very bad. Raees is decent enough where it does keep people engaged and people are liking it somewhat.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:38 PM
Ra One did put up some big numbers in the initial period. Leaving that aside though I agree on the Desai point you’re making. I’ve always found the ‘ghettoization’ problematic in today’s cinema. Desai did it in some ways too but in his films the majority was as ghettoized as the minority. But the real point to be made is that Desai made compelling films. The films today are mostly not as a compelling.
On SRK the problem is ‘star power’ is a rather amorphous term. No one is denying he is a big star. But of what magnitude? If he had as much ‘star power’ as Salman Raees would sail to 200 without a problem. A terrible Barjatya film that flopped got to 200. Most of the Salman films that have done well are pretty terrible too, Raees is probably better than most of them. So SRK actually hasn’t ‘proved’ what you think he has proven. And it’s important precisely in this context. When a producer or a distributor bets on a film he’s of course looking at the opening (this indicates basic safety for a film) but he’s also looking at that final number. His understanding of ‘stardom’ don’t end with the initial when one guy does 300 and another doesn’t even get to 200. If you account for this difference in stardom then whatever total Raees gets to (assuming it doesn’t tank from Mon) will seem good enough whereas if you think that with every big film he’s in a position to get to 250 or more then you’ll need other explanations.
I’ll say this also, I didn’t mention this in the longer comment just now. A star who is as tied to genre as SRK is will always find reinvention difficult. Because his real base likes films that have reached their expiry date in genre terms and with newer films, that might be in different genres but comparable in quality, there are just not as many takers. What this means is that because he has a certain base with the audience he will get his initial but it is much more likely to translate into disappointment than not and even the film that does well will be capped off in certain ways. Barring exceptional days like CE (this is just an ordinary day for Salman). This is true for all stars who are deeply connected to a genre. Salman is more successful than ever before because he was never that deeply connected to genre before this. Started off in love stories but those fizzled out fairly quickly, then he did Dhawan, then some other stuff, he was all over the place and for many years was even off the radar. Had he been as associated with romantic cinema as SRK was he couldn’t have been where he is currently. Now SRK because of his continuing stardom could potentially have the biggest numbers if he had perhaps Aamir-like judgment. But that’s already asking for the highly improbable. How many have Aamir’s judgment? The Salman model is much more common. You’re a huge star, you get the right films but then half-decent stuff (at least by his low standards) also works. Again assuming Raees does 150 or more why is this a problematic gross if one wasn’t expecting more? Yes it could do 200 even with competition. Bajirao did 170-180 with competition. So 200 shouldn’t be too much of an ask. But clearly it seems to be this for SRK. You could keep saying he’s proved his star power and it’s about content or this film or that film and these gaps with the two above him just keep growing wider. Fair enough, anyone below him isn’t even in his position. We’ve just seen how Kaabil has opened. Ranbir barely touched 100 with Johar just recently. But the ‘content’ argument holds for everyone. Clearly ADHM wasn’t YJHD.
On the Muslim angle once more I’m simply not convinced. SRK could have been a Hindu gangster in exactly this film (making all the appropriate changes). Would it have worked more?! I used to have arguments with folks when Raavan was about to release. They were people on the Right who felt that in today’s India messing about with the Ramayana would cost the film. I didn’t buy that before or after release. I liked the film a lot but the reason it didn’t work isn’t exactly a mystery to me and it has nothing to do with Raavan being center-stage. The audience just doesn’t care about this stuff inside a theater.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:50 PM
Don’t want to get into this debate.. but Satyam, I was trying to find the link of movie review which I saw few days back which had the headline: “Raees is not for vegetarians!!” It is a common reaction for the meat fight in the movie!
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January 29, 2017 at 2:59 PM
maybe SRK can play a vegetarian in his next and try getting to 300 that way..
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January 29, 2017 at 4:18 PM
Satyam Federer win is showing in your comments 😉 Incisive like Federer’s volleys & forehands!! May the impact of his victory on you stay for long for fans like me to keep devouring & relishing your insightful commentary which has become very sparse lately.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:43 PM
Okay..so the content is not the problem. Not even the clash the problem. Only SRK is the reason.
Then let us counter analyse..If Aamir was in the same movie, same scenario, wud it have worked? Got to three hundred?
What about if Salman was there?
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January 29, 2017 at 3:50 PM
It’s not about Aamir or Salman getting 300 or not in Raees.. it’s about SRK getting 300 in some subject he chooses. It clearly has been an aim of his for very long to get to some of the biggest benchmarks. On the rest yeah unlike Master I don’t buy this whole spiel of ‘I made it to only get 150’. Yeah Johar was also modest enough to only dream of a 100 with ADHM. Fans have a thousand explanations. reality though is a tough customer.
Incidentally I’m not attacking Raees or SRK at all.. but yes I am grilling the fans. And again I don’t like religious explanations in these matters.
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January 29, 2017 at 4:18 PM
Don’t worry everyone. SRK has his 300 CR signed, sealed and delivered with Tubelight. And without investing much into the project!
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January 29, 2017 at 4:51 PM
What I find funny in these debates is (not Raees but films like Sultan and BB and Dilwale);
– pre release predictions are big
– person X or Y watches the film. Predicts similar. Likes film.
– film never gets to target predictions
– person X or Y not at all ‘shamed’ by predictions. But actually still rejoices! In other words 350 CR for Sultan or BB is same as 300 CR, the level of success is deemed the same even though that level of success is very different.
– for Dangal, predictions of 150-200 CR plus Lagaan 2 status was perfectly fine.
– post film, it’s good film, not Lagaan. 270-280 CR max.
– bang 385 CR.
– nothing said, absence or petulance arrives
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January 29, 2017 at 3:56 PM
“On the rest yeah unlike Master I don’t buy this whole spiel of ‘I made it to only get 150’. ”
So, tell me. What do you think Aamir thought when he made Talaash after 200 crs 3 Idiots? What was he expecting?
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January 29, 2017 at 5:21 PM
Master I actually expected Talaash to post big numbers. In my book it’s a faltered box office result whatever trade declared it. Audience didn’t like it overall. But I back this statement up with another. It did as much as it could. Simply put, relative to Aamir’s own standard it didn’t fair as well as expected. Comparing to other stars it did well. D3 I’ve said many a time was pretty average, despite doing record business. It’s a forgotten film. I won’t ‘soften’ my stance just for favouritism. A lot of that happened with Sultan. Who cares if it didn’t break records. Why predict it and then be happy with it not! That boasting element is not needed. A secure film fan, enjoys the film. Ends it there, moment numbers are thrown about one exposes the kitchen sink treatment.
I think you came back here with an odd comment as if things ‘outside’ of blog were fine. Clearly Dangal ruffelled your feathers!
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January 29, 2017 at 6:15 PM
It’s laughable to think that one finds the Raees gross of 150 (if that is the case) perfect without any questions asked while one also questions Talaash. Or people say that Kaabil needs to get to 90 to be a hit. yeah maybe Talaash was budgeted like Bahubali and needed a lot more. I do agree with what you’re saying. It was certainly subpar in box office terms for Aamir though he got it a higher number than anyone else could have. More importantly those who are satisfied with mediocre or worse grosses for their favorite stars in the most commercial films have no right to question Talaash on any grounds.
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January 29, 2017 at 4:01 PM
Satyam is clearly wrong here. Dilwale was his big ticket project to cross 250 crs if released solo on Christmas. Both Fan and Raees were sort of experiments by admitted SRK himself. I don’t think he had over 200 cr in his mind at all. That 200 from Raees was lost when it released in clashed. I think SRK very clearly was aware of the fact of losing business. They thought maybe it can touch 175 crs in clash now and fine with it.
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January 29, 2017 at 6:05 PM
Isn’t there something between 150 and 300? You always set up this straw man argument with the highest possible number. And yeah Raees is an ‘experiment’. Why be so modest? Just call it an art film. It’s the biggest ever grossing art film.
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January 29, 2017 at 4:03 PM
“It clearly has been an aim of his for very long to get to some of the biggest benchmarks. ”
Yes Dilwale could have been that one. Nothing else. Don’t think he signed Rahul Dholakia’s film to touch 300 cr or FAN or Dear Zindagi. I don’t think he signed Imtiaz Ali’s to do 300 crs as well. You certainly need to come out of this incorrect assumption.
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January 29, 2017 at 4:04 PM
But if still, if the star power argument has to stick you have to prove the other two in better positions in star power relative to SRK, will need to get this numbers in whatever vehicle they choose, isn’t it?
I am not talking about Ranbir at all..I am just considering those two who got ahead of SRK..How will they fare with their greater star power?
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January 29, 2017 at 6:12 PM
“But if still, if the star power argument has to stick you have to prove the other two in better positions in star power relative to SRK, will need to get this numbers in whatever vehicle they choose, isn’t it?”
Actually I find this proposition absurd. It’s like saying if Bachchan is a big star he should prove it by also doing as well as Aamir in QSQT! Or if SRK is a big star he should do as well as Hrithik in Krrish. Leo should outdo Vin Diesel in Fast and Furious or do his own Mad Max or whatever! This stuff is so patently silly, only politeness prevents me from characterizing it the way it really should be. Stars have to do well or not relative to their own choices, they don’t have to start proving it on other people’s turf. But if you want a thought experiment, yeah there’s no way that SRK gets to 300 in Sultan. Salman couldn’t cross PK with a universally liked bajrangi (live wire is still finding explanations for this as we speak..). Let’s deal with these thought experiments first. As for Raees Aamir would first of all have the good sense to not do it. Maybe SRK should learn something from Aamir here and select the right “content”!
Anyway I’m probably wasting my time even arguing all of this but once in a while I get in the mood!
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January 29, 2017 at 5:04 PM
Aap devil ke peeche, devil aapke peeche — too much fun!”
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January 29, 2017 at 7:01 PM
As usual you are moving from the topic. I brought Talaash to prove another point. You can’t know the reason behind the movies, the worst you can’t for SRK movies 200%.
Aamir said he expected Talaash to do max 70 crores and budget according to it and became co-producer. Now industry might be disappointed that it did only 93 crores but he was super happy as it did 25 crores over his estimation.
So, now you tell me.. did you know Aamir made Talaash expecting 70 crores? If he can be happy at 93, then why do you think you know SRK made Raees to crack 300 crores. Why can’t it be possible that SRK just liked the role so much and he accepted back in 2013. I don’t think they had even 300 crore idea that time. I think everyone knows its a delayed project.
” And yeah Raees is an ‘experiment’. Why be so modest? Just call it an art film. It’s the biggest ever grossing art film.”
Yeah Rahul Dholakia is definitely an art film maker and all his movies till now didn’t make 10 crores Nett together. You talking all nonsense without even seeing the movie. The ‘voice’ of the director is certainly arty and is not commercial. That itself limits the movie’s audience. I’m sure 100% you are that much intelligent to figure out that but you will not accept it on here.
Rahul Dholakia didn’t make an art movie this time and he did try to make an commercial movie and expand his audience. That doesn’t mean he has attempted a Dhoom 3 or Dilwale here. His commercial film is still not as commercial as other movies.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:25 PM
By that token any gross is fine. Raees could do 60 and that would still be great! The recent film Ranbir did with Imtiaz Ali wouldn’t have done Rs 5 otherwise. Hey that’s great too. Half the flops or under performers are quite ok judged by this yardstick.
On the rest Aamir might say he expected 70, doesn’t mean I have to accept everything he’s saying at face value! I’m sure he budgeted the film accordingly (of course one wonders why it isn’t then called a clean hit for the same reasons that Kaabil apparently can be at 90). His films are budgeted smartly even when they make 300. Aamir also said just recently on Nahata’s show that he never thinks about the gross and so on. That simply isn’t true. I love Bachchan but I don’t believe most of the things he says. There’s a difference between loving a star’s work and believing everything he or she says.
I’ll say this finally. If Aamir were happy with the Talaash result or consider it just fine he wouldn’t be where he is. For that matter if SRK thought like some of his fans do he also wouldn’t be where he is. I’ve seen him look really pleased and more publicly available just twice following a film’s release in the last dozen years. Once after OSO, once after CE. All those other ‘hits’ that fans see and BOI (or whoever) sees are clearly not enough to convince SRK! A guy as ambitious as him doesn’t just act in a full blown masala deal just to get 150 on the board. Gimme a break! Offbeat director or not, Raees is not made like that sort of film. Of course the idea that a film can do 150-160 but absolutely cannot do 200 unless there’s no competition is itself a contradictory statement. Because if a film is that hard to digest how is it getting to 200 even without competition (there is no scenario in which a DZ gets to 150-200, nor a Piku, nor any such film)? And with competition why can’t it do what Bajirao did also with competition (Kaabil is hardly getting anywhere close to the Dilwale number!). Your claims are completely contradictory.
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January 29, 2017 at 7:12 PM
“I think you came back here with an odd comment as if things ‘outside’ of blog were fine. Clearly Dangal ruffelled your feathers!”
Jayshah, I’m not that dumb to leave the blog seeing Dangal’s business. I left the blog on Dec 24(which was 2nd day in India). It has nothing to do with that movie. Regarding Dangal, it was pretty clear by Mon/Tue that it will break PK. Simple as that. My prediction was 300 after watching the movie and it was fine and I don’t think anyone expected 380. Simple. I didn’t love the 2nd part and based on that I predicted as still 1st half is enough to cross 300 crores.
I think enough has been said about my absence and Dangal timing. But I think Satyam(& some folks) clearly knows why I left and actually I had no intention to get back on here. Just while driving back from Raees.. I was thinking about the movie and came back and typed the review. That’s all. It was very impromptu comeback and I don’t think or plan such trivial things in my life.
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January 29, 2017 at 8:27 PM
For the record I certainly don’t know why you left. I have seen these disappearances many times as a historic matter. Each time when the folks come back they always have a ‘good reason’ and each time they’re shocked that anyone would think otherwise. A SRK fan never disappears when a SRK film releases, the same for others perhaps but in any case there’s a formula here. In any case hope you’ll stick around.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:51 PM
“Actually I find this proposition absurd. It’s like saying if Bachchan is a big star he should prove it by also doing as well as Aamir in QSQT! Or if SRK is a big star he should do as well as Hrithik in Krrish. Leo should outdo Vin Diesel in Fast and Furious or do his own Mad Max or whatever! This stuff is so patently silly, only politeness prevents me from characterizing it the way it really should be. Stars have to do well or not relative to their own choices, they don’t have to start proving it on other people’s turf…”
That is your argument only..you want SRK to do 300 in whichever film he makes irrespective of the content. If you can excuse Talaash for Aamir and Jai ho for Salman and still call them huge, SRK shud also get some exemptions. Fan and Raees were no way big money expected films but you still are expecting it! HNY or Diiwale was, but can you call them both out and out SRK vehicles? In HNY, he was just like a bystander in most of the film and Dilwale, Varun dhawan-Kriti track just kept testing one’s patience. Still they were big ticket releases and one can blame SRK or picking trashy content for whatever compulsions and that’s why, everybody including his fans want him to have a change over, change track, do some better content oriented films and make sure that you keep on it until you get it right. And it does seem that now there is a conscious effort to do that in the current crop of films. And we are hopeful, not of crores, that may also come when other things get right, but to go on the right track. This is a natural progression for him. He has been a romantic hero for longest time and now, even the years put on makes it impossible to go on in that direction. he did enough of that in his peak years and unlike the other two, he didnt have to re invent pretty early in life to stay in competition. Now over 51, SRK shud do and he is trying to change over a new leaf, and we give him credit when he is doing that. In that way a HNY or a Dilwale was great, seems he has said however small way, a bye bye to that stuff.
And now Raees is a defining moment..becos the original hero who started doing hatke stuff, when he was quite young has turned to that once again. The complaint was that whenever he tried to change tracks nobody showed up or appreciated. Here both has happened, the film is nearing 100 over an extended weekend, and that too with a very populist kind of revenge drama by a major star as competition. And everybody is loving SRK in this avatar..It was a worry how will the looks be handled when age catches on, but seems he looks better in this avatar with a hint or beard and even a moustache! It is true for this film as well as the look he is carrying in Imtiaz Ali’s film. All who loved Raees has made a comment on the way he looks the part and it is doubly satisfying as it is with not much time spent on growing beard or changing shape!
And Satyam, you gave away the argument in your statement itself that Aamir won’t do a Raees and instead pick some good content? Then, what is the good content…safe content? Toh daring kahan hai bhai..?
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January 29, 2017 at 2:31 PM
Raees Good Weekend – Kaabil Finds It Tough
Sunday 29 January 2017 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raaes is looking at Sunday collections of 17-17.50 crore nett which will take it to 92 crore nett plus over the five days. It has done good business over the first five days but the trend is average with growth on Sunday being limited though the match was there which may have hit it for around 5%. But even if allowing for that it would not be big Sunday growth. It will be all on the weekday business and the crucial Monday for the film. The good weekend ensures a successful film but its the next 7-10 days which will tell if the film can be a hit. A good performance in North India multiplexes would have taken it to over 100 crore nett in its extended weekend and that is where the shortfall has come as it has done average business there.
Kaabil has found it tough to stand up to Raees and although there have been a couple of decent days on Thursday and Saturday generally the film is below the mark. The business on Sunday will be around 12-12.50 crore nett which is low number for a Sunday. The five day business of the film will be around 54 crore nett which is not good and it needs one big hold on Monday for a decent lifetime total. The cricket match would have also affected Kaabil also but not enough that it would have been a good Sunday if there was no match. The performance of the film is lacklustre all over India with only Mumbai which can be called average but this circuit finds it hard to hold on Monday as releases are wide here even in a clash.
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2672
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January 29, 2017 at 2:34 PM
Sunday numbers are disappointing for both movies as per BOI. 17-17.5crrs for Raees and 12-12.5 crrs for Kaabil
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January 29, 2017 at 2:46 PM
One thing for sure. No way is Kaabil catching up Raees in totals. It’s too far ahead. Forget Indore barometer. Any calculator won’t work.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:48 PM
Kaabil don’t need to catch up to Raees. Kaabil needs 110crs and Raees needs 150crs.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:49 PM
yeah one needs to get to Jai Ho’s number to be a ‘hit’, the other needs to get to Bang Bang’s (or slightly more) number to be a ‘hit’. ‘Nuff said.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:52 PM
It is according to the distributor price. Not sure what’s your issue is. What is the Bang Bang comparison which was HW remake with Raees ?
Some folks have this dishonest way of classifying everything as flop unless its not 300 crores. (To think of I think even Sultan didn’t get enough praise for its 300 crs)
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January 29, 2017 at 2:59 PM
“Some folks have this dishonest way of classifying everything as flop unless its not 300 crores. (To think of I think even Sultan didn’t get enough praise for its 300 crs)”
must be the same folks who are forever debating big day 1 or day 2 numbers..
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January 29, 2017 at 3:03 PM
“must be the same folks who are forever debating big day 1 or day 2 numbers..”
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January 29, 2017 at 3:11 PM
well some folks seem to be very interested in big day 1 or day 2 numbers or ‘records’ in this sense but play this morality card when they can’t get to the biggest totals (‘hey why are you obsessed with 300’?). Positions must be taken in good faith.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:14 PM
If you thought Raees to do 300 crs, you are living in fool’s paradise. Even during trailers and even after watching.. I stuck to 160 crs. According to distributors it is 150 to be clean Hit.
Not every subject is blockbuster material. No one is really disliking the movie but feeling it ‘heavy’ which I already predicted before its release.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:17 PM
I never expected 300. But you are as usual choosing to miss the point. If SRK did Raees just to do 150 or so I think you don’t know much about him. In any case my point here isn’t just about Raees.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:16 PM
I always think that you never read my posts and respond to someone’e else opinions to my reply. This is not the first time.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:46 PM
No I am responding exactly to your comments..
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January 29, 2017 at 3:22 PM
“If SRK did Raees just to do 150 or so I think you don’t know much about him”
Lol. It was more hard hitting than the current versions with not many songs either. That could have done just over 100 cr in its lifetime. Yes if it had solo Eid release they had hopes but once it got delayed all that records washed away espcially coming with a clash. Now, don’t say me SRK expect 300 crs even in clash now in January month. Yes without clash, it would have done 200+ crores in festive release. But once it released on clash, it lost 50 crs easily and no way going past 160.
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January 29, 2017 at 2:49 PM
lol, true. Kaabil unless it stays really stable at the lower end is just going to be a flop. In any reasonable sense of the word. Raees will look respectable in comparison. But it’s still likely to only end up in Bang Bang terrain. Again unless it too shows surprising strength at the lower end.
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January 29, 2017 at 3:44 PM
SRK knows he is well behind Aamir/Salman. Still he won’t be happy with 150crrs. If so he should have released it solo during non holiday without clash and would have got the same/better numbers. There wouldn’t have been so much issue with Roshans also and Kaabil could have done around 140crrs.
Rather SRK even after the clash would have thought of getting 200crrs or so due to holiday. If really not then this entire clash was futile which should have been avoided.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:14 AM
As a minimal Raees should be getting to 200 crs as I think that would have been the minimum SRK wanted with a clash. 150 cr will give it a clean hit status but I don’t think that was why they made the film in the first place. It is surely not going to get to 200…
But again, I have never been more happier in SRK’s choice of movies than his last 3 movies – Fan, DZ and Raees…Ironically one flopped, one he was supporting and the other one will just be par on the golf course..
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January 30, 2017 at 12:37 AM
Krish, I kept repeating the same thing. I’m yet to see any review which hated Raees even here or in general. The only reason it will not do 200 cr is that it has enough reasons mainly being dark time and not family friendly. If you leave out kids and women, how do you think it’ll do 200 cr in clash in Jan month? I kept repeating how in the world can it touch 200cr? The reviews have been above average as expected and yet it won’t. Gangsters movies are never must watch however good the reviews are. That is simple truth.
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January 30, 2017 at 6:09 AM
again completely contradictory things..
1)Should have done 200, would have without a clash.
2)Can’t do 200 because it isn’t family friendly
3)SRK made the film to do 150.
4)The Muslim angle limits business.
5)Gangster films don’t do that much.
6)How much did Dholakia gross before this?
I’ll repeat this.. SRK should play a Hindu vegetarian in his next film and I’m sure it will break records…
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January 30, 2017 at 1:29 AM
Master, I get what you are saying but those are all thoughts in hindsight. We as a viewer can afford that but the makers who knew the material cannot give that as a reason. SRK knew he needed a hit..he knew his material was dark but he still wanted a clash. Roshans didn’t make the clash, SRK chose to clash. So i cannot give him any benefit of doubt there. A solo release would have taken him over 200 crs and a big hit status. The subject material was a risk , maybe, but a solo release and close to 200 cr would have made it an all round success for him. He wouldn’t have reached close to Salman and Aamirs totals but one can discount that seeing the genre once the movie crosses a minimum bar taking the star power into equation. IMO that minimum bar was close to 200 crs for this movie…
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January 30, 2017 at 2:40 AM
It’s all hindsight. That’s obvious. With hindsight, Dangal will gross around 385 CR.
I don’t buy into bullcrap that Raees is made for 150 CR. What the shrewdest business man around has become charitable all of a sudden.
On his choices yes he should avoid Chopjar. And Fan, Dear Zindagi and Raees is probably good start in this shift. Dear Zindagi I’ve only seen and this avatar of being the voice of the voiceless, like wisdom like figure suits SRK. Fan from what I know is a SRK fans film, so I’m hardly going to like it. Raees is up my street but I’m not sure I’ll get to watch it now.
Btw this bar setting of films that once it passes X it’s fine is silly. 300 is par score in cricket. If you’re 20-3 after 5 overs or 60-0 after 5 overs, the bar shifts. Raees had a choice of a batting wicket, but it’s chosen a spinning one. It’s started like a rocket and was pretty much 60-0 after 5 overs. It should be going big whatever! Nothings deterred anyone from rocket launch opening and neither is anyone reporting bad reports.
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January 30, 2017 at 2:03 AM
Aside, i feel SRK has a very good chance to go past 200 in Imtiaz’s next. I doubt Imtiaz will make a sub standard product. It might not be for all audience but atleast it would be a strong multiplex product. And then you have a holiday on both 14th and 15th and somewhere that week there is also Raksha Bandhan…Its a wonderful week to be honest….Will take a very poor movie to screw that up
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January 29, 2017 at 3:10 PM
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January 29, 2017 at 4:31 PM
What an awesome moment on TV after the Salman-SRK camaraderie. The ever generous and lavish Salman. Both looked amazing and feel a bit sad HR never realized his full potential until now but there is still time for him and hope he does more movies and has fun on screen like Salman.
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January 29, 2017 at 4:33 PM
Having watched the highlights of Australian open, I think Federer played street smart tennis in the sets he lost. Previously he could have lost those horribly, but he ensured he served first in set 3 and 5. Set 5 that plan went wrong, but watching it I’m surprised how Nadal didn’t go in for the kill. Federer obviously stepped it up but he’s not known for big comebacks. To roll off 5 games in a row was very surprising. He played amazing for sure, but a Nadal of 2008-10 would have won from that position. I did say on Friday he needed to be 1-0 or 2-1 ahead to win. Federer is gutsy but not as gutsy as Novak or Rafa. He needs a cushion for sure. I can see both playing now.
Nadal on this form is firm favourite for French. I’d bet on Murray for Wimbledon as he’s won 2 + Olympics there in last 3 years. If Novak hits form he’ll win US. Big 4 to split the Big 4 events. I’ll be wrong I’m sure.
Federer did surprise me in 5th set. He rolled back the years at points. The match did ooze the feeling of a couple of players past their prime playing one last big match. It wasn’t a classic like previous, as usually the quality of 5th would be in all sets.
Still epic in its own way.
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January 29, 2017 at 9:53 PM
If honesty it the best policy then dishonesty is fun.Esp here. When SRK was making HNY and Dilwale, people were saying he should forget Box office and must work out of his comfort zone now when he is working on out of his comfort zone people are saying he is not challanging Salman and Aamir. Yes Fan and Raees are not masterpieces but still they were not run of the mill stories. And what is this fixation about Talaash. Nobody said at that time that it must do around 3 idiot. But it came after 3 years of 3 idiot. Aamir’s popularity is alltime high. It did around 48 or 50 cr weekend and the 90 or 03 cr lifetime means not doubled even weekend. So people say it underperformed. What is wrong in it ? For me if Raees does 150 or above it is good considering all thing and below that is underperformence.
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January 29, 2017 at 10:43 PM
actually no one is saying any such thing. At least the serious folks over here aren’t. No one is attacking SRK for Raees or Fan. But if the fans persist in coming up with questionable claims they must expect debate. This has nothing to do with SRK’s choices. I’ve said from the very beginning that the Raees theatrical trailer was great, that it would easily be better than 99% of Salman’s movies in this period. I still maintain all of this irrespective of how much the film does. But again the argument is with the fans. Today my specific criticism was about the introduction of religion into the box office fate of Raees. I’m sure Z believes this sincerely but I just reject this argument for all the reasons I’ve pointed out today. Again this too has nothing to do with Raees or SRK.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:14 AM
But I think you should at least watch the film once before commenting on the “religious” aspect. I actually agree with people who are saying that the Muslim-ness may keep audiences away. I saw the film and
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There are very off putting scenes in the film (maybe I’m not aware enough so it stuck out for me). For example, his entry scene is him during Moharram, beating himself bloody for 1-2 minutes. Then there is the meat fighting scene which was innovative, but also made my stomach uneasy, because it was just men beating each other with raw meat. Followed by SRK’s character literally starting a communal riot in his neighborhood. Probably the most intense scene of the movie. And finally the film’s climax involves Raees accidentally supplying terrorists bombs for the 1993 Mumbai Bombings.
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I agree that no one really has any idea about these scenes before watching the film, but in terms of repeat viewings, this can be very off putting to the average person. Maybe your opinion of the general public is too optimistic (and I hope that these things one day do not affect one’s reactions), but the people I went with were like this was “too Mullah” for me, and these are the people I consider liberal! Of course this isn’t the only reason for Raees’ limited Box Office, I agree with everything that has been said about SRK not being in the same galaxy as Salman/Aamir etc but in my small sample size of 11 people in Chicago, 6 people complained about the character being too “Kora Mushulman” (too religiously Muslim in Bengali).
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January 30, 2017 at 12:19 AM
To add to this, I don’t think it’s because SRK played a Muslim character specifically. Aamir and Salman played Muslims recently in Dhoom 3 and Sultan but in those films being Muslim really had no relevance to any scene. It had the same relevance that Hinduism had to for example a Ready or Bodyguard (just for the aesthetic and songs). But this is not the case with Raees. The significance of Raees being Muslim here is probably similar to the significance of Salman being Hindu in Bajrangi Bhaijaan.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:30 AM
Raj, I said the same thing above. Without watching Satyam is playing blind game and trying to debate a lost cause. We don’t know the significant impact but to deny there is no impact is blindfolded talk.
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January 30, 2017 at 6:18 AM
The problem is that rather than establishing something by way of evidence you’re working backwards from a ‘result’ and hence grabbing every explanation available. Good reviews don’t translate into 200 crores! It depends on the kind of film. But if you’re saying this for Raees don’t also keep saying that it would do 200 in x or y scenario. What about all his other big films that failed or underperformed? How much did the Don sequel do as a Christmas release? More or less what the original did with competition (if you account for all factors). How much did JTHJ did? Ra One? Dilwale? Should I go on? And how many times have I heard the 200 refrain? Even HNY with extremely suspect producer numbers gets close to it. So Ranveer Singh in a Bhansali historical is a safer genre than Raees? Enough to do 170-180 with competition? Just because a SRK film is liked more than others, better-reviewed than others it absolutely WILL get to 200 crores. When has this proposition been proven? When he doesn’t you either say the film wasn’t good (of course usually not before release!) or that the film is good but the subject cannot do 200. As opposed to other stars I suppose who become superstars doing films with poor content! In any case why not just accept SRK isn’t in the big gross game anymore and stop making these predictions for him. Alright accepted.. he’s doing films to gross 100 or 150 or whatever. He’s made a responsible decision not to go upto 200, let alone 300! This should end the debate.
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January 30, 2017 at 6:23 AM
It’s not exactly rocket science to try and figure out the content of a commercial Hindi film. I am fully aware of how much certain films can or cannot do. Some of us have said this for years about many films. You look at tamasha and it’s obvious it can’t gross like LAK. The difference is some of you say this stuff very selectively when it comes to SRK. No other actor gets this benefit. If the content of Tamasha or BV or Besharam were different Ranbir might be a superstar by now. If post-Guru the content of JBJ or D6 or Raavan (or whatever) were different Abhishek would never be in any trouble. One could go on. Didn’t see people agreeing with me very much when I brought up the content issue on talaash. But then I also see people finding Raees perfect as a film or thinking Fan is very good while discovering all sorts of problems in Dangal!
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January 30, 2017 at 2:05 AM
@Master I only just read what you stated a couple of comments ago…agree with your comments above
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January 29, 2017 at 9:59 PM
This is nice small piece from Shekhar Gupta on ills of social media and twitter storm engulfing our daily lives. I am now slowly but surely regretting being part of this current generation as past now seems rosy and god knows what the future holds in the long run as societies get torn apart in this world of excessive communication. Long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead……
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Of the tweeple, by the tweeple, for the tweeple
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“…..Between Washington, Mexico, Chennai and New Delhi, you have enough recent evidence to arrive at some conclusions. One, that social media has now graduated from being just a medium of communication, debate and abuse, to an instrument of governance, mass politics and diplomacy. Second, it follows that it takes away from governance the luxury of patience and from diplomacy the power of discrete back-channels and behind-the-scenes negotiations, and accountability from mass politics. Who would you have held responsible if protests in Tamil Nadu really got out of hand? Who is responsible for the human and political detritus of a failed revolution like Arab Spring? How do we deal with a world where the biggest superpower’s president behaves like an old tribal chief or monarch making a declaration of war by sending back the decapitated head of a neighbour’s envoy. Or, where the world’s largest e-commerce giant is hit in the middle of the night in public by the top-ranked officials of the government of its fastest growing overseas market. Welcome to the perilous new world of governance social media………”
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January 29, 2017 at 11:14 PM
No…Z has a point. Though i agree Religion of the Raees is not the main determaintel factor for Buisness of film but still it is a factor however small it it. In a time of Modi bhakts there is a Undercurrent about Khans and among Khans it is SRK who wears his religion on his sleeve most and some unfortunate statement and incident which fulled bhaks ire. It is snow ball effect which translate to common people from bhakts. So it is deadly combo. Undercurrent against SRK + Raees is a Muslim Don. So it is a factor for buisness. One more thing Hrithik was the original Hindu Hero against Khans. in 2000 when Kaho na oyar hai released. RSS’s mouthpiece Panchjanya wrote a article that finally a Hindu hero arrived who will give fight to Khans. Is it just a coincidence that Akshay Kumer is gaining foothold in Modi Govt ? It is a sad reality that religion is playing a role in bollywood however small it may be.
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January 29, 2017 at 11:49 PM
Okay, I am guilty of writing my other reply before reading this part of the topic..This thread has become so large It is dificult to find who has written what..where.
When I saw the film, I was also not concerned about the muslim angle, but now after seeing so many comments on various articles on the net, one very disturbing thing is that there is a clear divide between Raees support and Kaabil support.Now this is about the people who care to go to any site and put down their views on it, but still those comments do make an effect on many more thousand who read it. I hate to admit such stuff or I hate such stuff myself, but these days there is always a counter argument if you ask some1 to say secular. I have seen so many ppl commenting on the media against glorification of a bootlegger, that too a muslim..and go for Kaabil. Even a BJP MP was very openly doing it and he even went on to the extent of comparing SRK to Dawwod Ibrahim! In a nation where this is the ruling party, there is bound to be some takers for that also!
And I notice you keep quoting Bajiro Mastani as a film which did 190 against Dilwale..here also this factor worked to some extent. Bhansali made a slightly better film, but the bigger boost he got was he made it about a Hindu king who has a muslim admirer/wife and it competed against SRK;s film in the intolerant comment climate! Don’t ignore these factors altogether.. SRK is a favourite target of the ruling party. And he hasnt gone out of his way to make peace with them also. Now, BJP is a little on the backfoot because of the demonetisation and all, otherwise the negativity wud have been bigger. Ajay Devgan is another person who used his identity clearly in this regard against a film which had a Pakistani actor in it. Raees ticks that column also, with Mahira Khan in the cast.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:04 AM
Great thoughts but both Bob and Vijjie. Satyam has commenting with eyes closed. Under Z’s comment I posted that I read a review saying Raees is not for vegetarians and he laughed it off. I don’t think many folks in this site itself didn’t want Raees for obvious reasons( Srk, Paki actress, Muslim culture, glorifying gangster etc) and yet they expect in real world people won’t have such biases. As i said convenience talk with closed eyes.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:54 AM
“In a time of Modi bhakts there is a Undercurrent about Khans and among Khans it is SRK who wears his religion on his sleeve most”
It was Rana Ayyuub who on NDTV column pointed that SRK is playing the Muslim identity card since last few years. I never realised it. However if he is playing he must have thought pros and cons.
If he is not playing then he is playing into the hands of Muslim fundamentalists as much as Hindu. So this would even out as they represent < 0.5% of the population.
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January 30, 2017 at 3:18 AM
I don’t think he is wearing his muslim identity on his sleeves. You must have read his reply to Rana Ayyub also.
But it is another matter that this is an out and out muslim character. And in that way releasing it on Eid wud have been really milking the Muslim angle. so instead of releasing it then, they may have avoided it intentionally.
I dont think that SRK has any intention of limiting his appeal to muslims only after so many years of pan india appeal. He is not that foolish.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:53 AM
In any case if Raees has around 100-110 cr weekend – it can at the most add 40-80 cr nett before coming to an end? – so anywhere between 150-200 cr nett is a good comeback by SRK – he knows it well that he can no longer go into aamir/sallu’s 250-300-350 territory any more and should be happy with this. It is good that atleast he has tried to come out of his image in DZ/Fan/Raees – although it is too late in the day but I will take it and wont much bother about him being in AK/SK league – let him be content with Akki now as he is surely going down the road – but kudos he is trying a lot of different genres….
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January 30, 2017 at 12:56 AM
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0451321/ – it says that he is going to play Sahir Ludhiyanvi and in Imtiyaz Ali’s next also – it is a different genre – very good SRK
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January 30, 2017 at 1:19 AM
There is an attempt by few to undermine the success of Raees. This is the sort of hidden agenda that i have been talking for.
The logic given is hardly sane but still one keep writing and writing.
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January 30, 2017 at 2:29 AM
A lot that Master has said is quite sensible.
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January 30, 2017 at 2:38 AM
Both Raees and Kaabil has opened at 20-25% today, which is 40% lower than Friday.
This means Raees is set to nett 7 Cr and Kaabil 5.5 Cr today. Both are expect to hold on at this level till the next weekend comes, where business is likely to jump by 40-50%. Raees will cross 100 Cr today.
Raees is looking to wrap at around Rs 145 Cr and Kaabil at Rs 85 Cr. The clash has impacted the movies in a big way.
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January 30, 2017 at 2:19 AM
Eid would have been perfect for Raees with its ambience.
SRK fans are blaming Roshans. But why not blame Salman or Aamir for reserving Eid and Christmas?
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January 30, 2017 at 2:27 AM
I haven’t seen Raees but whatever I’ve read and trailer so far, this was an EID release. Either bromance or chickening out caused the move. But I’d bet big that SRK’s marketing + media support is big enough to give Sultan a pretty good fight. But maybe a third reason is reshoots were forced, only an insider would know.
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January 30, 2017 at 2:51 AM
Don’t think any SRK fans are blaming Roshans. It’s the other way round. SRK fans are happy to have won the clash by a margin.
I 100% agree with both of you that Eid would have been the prefect date for Raees. Somehow the producers did not plan the release well. Raees seems to be losing 30-40 Cr easily. However that’s life because of every hero starts the clash story then many a hits would have become super hits.
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January 30, 2017 at 3:59 AM
But then are not Roshans aggrieved by the unexpected clash that too by a superstar?
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January 30, 2017 at 12:54 PM
Unexpected clash? Did the announcement happened without their notice? Even before official announcement they had spoken to Rakesh Roshan. It wasn’t backstabbing as some dumb folks claim on here. Why would they meet then?
http://www.spotboye.com/bollywood/news/srk-s-midnight-visit-to-rakesh-roshan-s-house-to-avert-the-raees-kaabil-clash/578da5ea0e7e2a694be3e27e
First SRK went and went to meet Rakesh Roshan/Hrithik Roshan in July 2016 along with Ritiesh and Farhan Akhtar. Then he left 3 months to Europe shoot for Imtiaz Ali. He came back and again went and met Rakesh Rohan. Then tried to move the date and then had not much choice and then went ahead and get over with this delayed project.
SRK said even before meet that he’s sure Rakesh ji will help him out as Kaabil shoot has not even started by May and yet they didn’t wanted to change the dates. Then Papa Roshan played a cheap game of announcing Krrish 4 with SRK-ALR Christmas 2018 and then a week later backing out saying.. I didn’t know he announced first so am backing out. Hope SRK does the same. LMAO.
Firstly this is not like other clashes.. SRK met twice with the producers officially and its not like clashing without giving them chance to move. Kaabil shooting didn’t even start and yet they don’t want to help out a 95% completed and delayed movie.
Rakesh Roshan said ” I don’t care who is coming with us, Kaabil will release on Jan 26, 2017. If they want to come its their choice”
Then when the dates gets nearer, they keep crying… OMG why are they clashing and killing our movie. Its not that they didn’t had a choice and all clash was done suddenly in last 1 month.
Also, Sanjana since you are Aamir fan. Let me remind me that in 2008 Aamir khan clashed purposely last minute with 1 year back announced huge movie in Love Story 2050 with his Jaane Tu Ya jaane na and killed Harman Baweja’s film. When asked he said ” They had a choice to move too, if they were scared, they should have moved. I thought thats the best date for release irrespective of their film coming’ This was done 2 months before release and Baweja had no way to move out of the clash.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:42 PM
@”Let me remind me that in 2008 Aamir khan clashed purposely last minute with 1 year back announced huge movie in Love Story 2050 with his Jaane Tu Ya jaane na and killed Harman Baweja’s film. When asked he said ” They had a choice to move too, if they were scared, they should have moved. I thought thats the best date for release irrespective of their film coming’ This was done 2 months before release and Baweja had no way to move out of the clash”.
OMG ! I did not know this !!!!!
Mr. Holy cow of this blog, Aamir played nasty with BV too. After announcing PK for June first week release date, one fine day developed cold feet and shifted to Christmas which was already taken by BV and eventually making they shift.
Sorry folks I cannot do it (Double-entendre) in June, I need Christmas to do my ‘thingy’:-) 🙂
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January 30, 2017 at 1:58 PM
True Aamir was wrong to not allow Love 2050 or BV a clean release just to bomb in the process and inadvertently not have a SH and ATBB in process. And SRK is clean to battle SLB twice, once to trounce 2 newcomers in a film that could have at least played safe and the other time well stop SLB giving 200+ CR big hit. Third time trounce a director who gave him one huge BB and a fellow friend who treats him like a senior and in dire need for a hit and ‘could’ have got it on solo.
Yes it’s all the same in la la land.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:52 PM
“. After announcing PK for June first week release date, one fine day developed cold feet and shifted to Christmas”
I read recently some comment here that Hirani times his films perfectly for Christmas release. Funny to say the least. PK was supposed to release in Christmas 2013 but got delayed and they announced Jun 1, 2014. Later Hirani said Aamir suggested to release during Chrismas as people tend to watch more movies during holidays and they waited doing nothing to release during Chrismas 2014. It is not about movies getting completed exactly that time.
“According to the filmmaker, the festive season was also the reason to shift the release date to Christmas as more people would be able to watch the film. “It is festive and holiday times and more people tend to watch films during this period. Moreover every filmmaker wants more people to watch his film. So keeping the festive season in mind, we are releasing the film on Christmas” said the National Award winning filmmaker.”
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January 30, 2017 at 2:01 PM
Jayshah.. don’t talk dumb. Saawariya clashed with OSO, what is SRK supposed to do? Run away from Saawariya if they want to clash?
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January 30, 2017 at 2:18 PM
Yes I didn’t know. So he’s fine. Though I’m sure he marketed without dirty tactics 😀😀😀
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January 30, 2017 at 2:33 PM
The simple difference between this clash and other clashes is that SRK personally went to Roshans twice to avoid the clash. Kaabil had enough time to change it to April end and still gaining higher ground by showing generosity and helping another star. Raees had no way to push more ahead than Jan.
Papa Roshan talks about friendships and all but when given easy opportunity to move away. It wasn’t even an ego issue. SRK himself moved away from Salman Khan even though he had announced first. Hrithik didn’t even needed to do that.. they could have used it as they helped out SRK. All Kaabil needed was a solo week even Feb or April would have been fine.
You want a 95% movie already delayed for 2 years to move ahead instead of your own movie which you didn’t even start shooting? Is that the friendship Roshans are talking about? Not sure, what is there to support here?
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January 30, 2017 at 2:38 PM
Clash cannot happen just 1 way. Once Raees is confirmed for Jan, Kaabil team had 2 options
– To clash with Raees and share screens
OR
– To move to different date.
They preferred to clash with Raees instead. I don’t think they were forced to clash on gunpoint.
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January 30, 2017 at 4:44 PM
Swap Raees and Kaabil round, comments are same. EID was never conclusive that Raees would release. Whoever came first should stick to it. Backing down shows your weakness. SRK basically admitted he’s not on Salman’s planet! Roshan’s and Bhansali’s did opposite. They stood up. SLB won, Kaabil lost. Also KEY is SRK still lost something too. He’s pissed off two directors who have supported his career for one holiday, for like 10 CR of business!
If you booked the date it’s yours. Most wedding halls and dates are booked before anything is done. The decent thing is to try to avert clash. Not just for your own film, for the industry, for friends etc. RR stayed true to his word, his film released on time. Sure they may have rushed it.
Even Dutt film has been earmarked for ages 2017 Xmas. It should not back down. Let TZH lose 1500 screens. Economically one can be sure Hirani will budget well. Content he is good. If one’s secure with your film, clashes are not big deals. It doesn’t take much for audience to come out to watch good films.
This clash was a big deal as both stars searching for hit. The Aamir example, fine, he shouldn’t do it. Love 2050 and BV would bomb on any day anyway. Aamir is secure in knowing his product can take a hit but still economically do well. With or without Love 2050 and BV, JTYJN and PK would be big hits. He knew and oozes confidence with Lagaan and TZP in clashes, he is secure when he knows he’s made a good film.
Can’t say same for Raees and Kaabil. Script sense not there historically with either star or box office pedigree not there with either director. Why introduce an extra anomaly of a clash to further relegate your situation.
The difference is always in the results. Both Raees and Kaabil on solo could be financially lucrative for an industry starved of commercial successes but together they could end up cancelling each other out. Together they’ll do less than 250 CR, maybe less. What they do together is optimally what Raees could do on own.
Simply you can count on one hand who can survive a clash with high rate of success. SRK and HR are not on that list, not proved it. Former by virtue of avoiding Salman/Sultan showed his hand (he chickened out, that’s reality but good business sense. Irony is Raees probably could make more last year even clashing with Sultan then now! Perception wise JTHJ faltered as did Dilwale. You’d think the brain would be programmed to avoid unnecessary panga’s), latter by losing to Rustom and likely again with Raees and just general fall in career. RR too is to blame, all parties are for a variety of reasons.
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January 30, 2017 at 5:12 PM
hard to disagree with anything here..
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January 30, 2017 at 4:01 AM
Here Akhtar and srk are to be blamed for not taking on Sultan but taking on Kabil. Inspite of Hritik being friendly with both. It is like backstabbing.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:57 PM
Backstabbing? LMAO. Reminds me of Ajay Devgn. He kept saying that Karan Johar’s ADHM kept releasing on his Diwali date with Shivaay and he annoucned it first. How conveninely he forgot that when Yashji’s JTHJ was announced for Diwali 2012 he came out of now-where with his Son of Sardaar.
Folks cry only when they lose. Simple as that. Everyone has choice to move out.. just coz you announce first does not mean you can’t move out(even when requested or not).
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January 30, 2017 at 2:48 AM
https://www.bollyarena.net/raees-monday-box-office-collection-update/#comment-60268
Monday is very slow.mini crash for raees.
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January 30, 2017 at 5:07 AM
Rajen – Indicine are voicing your opinion. That trade maybe ‘under reporting’ Kaabil and producers are ‘over reporting’ it. So possibly truth is in between. Kudos for going with your gut! 54 CR is approx trade, 67 CR is producer. Either way it’s poor stuff from both sides if this is happening. X files comes to mind – ‘trust no one’ and ‘the truth is out there’
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January 30, 2017 at 11:26 AM
Speak to the exhibitors and you will know the real story…There is only one party wrongly reporting here…
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January 30, 2017 at 12:29 PM
Everyone has an opinion. Even the Queen will too. No one produces centre collections now. So pointless to take any sides. Better to throw accusations IMO. More fun.
BOI as exposed as any party. Indicine etc. Just support producers as they use their numbers.
All guilty. Trust no one.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:10 PM
Have sex with or without a condom – still sex
Killed by stranglation or bullet – still dead
Score a hundred with singles or boundaries/sixes – still a hundred
Only difference is how not the outcome. A spade is a spade. Call it out once in a while.
I say this with looking at 3 years worth of centre collections comparing with BOI, I’m sure I messed up at times but I’m sure I figured out a fair bit too in the process. I’m not going to be squeaky clean or claim to be, I just offered another service with the means provided.
If one accepts 10% here or there, one is accepting mediocracy and settling for something second best. And standards can easily be lowered further to satisfy ones story.
I’m open that BOI could be ‘spot on’ but prove it. The basis is it’s the best of the worst. Probably how Nazi Germany felt when it elected Hitler!
It really is a time warp. Feels like 2006-7 and debating Guru producer totals vs BOI.
I must have been in a coma for 10 years.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:58 PM
One of these days the exhibitors should put out their ‘real story’. Something verifiable. Of course I’m not defending the stupidity of Rakesh Roshan here but the other side is hardly a model of virtue. It always comes down to ‘who do you believe?’ when simple, verifiable numbers would make such a question irrelevant. In the absence of such verifiable information we can make our best educated guesses looking at everything that’s out there but that hardly means a set of completely reliable numbers. So yes Rakesh Roshan has becoming a laughing stock in this matter but sources like Taran or Komal or BOI or whoever should be as well for similar reasons. Or put differently even if some numbers might be more plausible than others in terms of being ‘verifiable’ (or not) they’re all on the same side. The whole ‘I got the number from the distributor or exhibitor when he came home for tea’ doesn’t fly with me.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:56 AM
Sumit Kadel, Rohit Jaiswal are all exhibitors…They have already put out the story…Sumit Kadels DP itself is sarcastically called ‘40%’ screens…Komal Nahta also is now quoting 57 crs for 5 days…
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January 30, 2017 at 4:17 AM
https://thereel.scroll.in/827964/the-last-picture-shows-the-slow-death-of-single-screen-cinemas-in-delhi
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January 30, 2017 at 4:45 AM
Directors view: Worth reading..
Also check out the comments below that..
‘Raees is a good guy who does bad things’
http://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/%E2%80%98Raees-is-a-good-guy-who-does-bad-things%E2%80%99/article17109609.ece
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January 30, 2017 at 5:29 AM
Dangal’ box-office collection: Aamir Khan’s film is going steady post the release of ‘Kaabil and ‘Raees’ – The Times of India 1.19 cr weekend
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/box-office/dangal-box-office-collection-aamir-khans-film-is-going-steady-post-the-release-of-kaabil-and-raees/articleshow/56870416.cms
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January 30, 2017 at 5:59 AM
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh
#Dangal [Week 6] Fri 28 lacs, Sat 41 lacs, Sun 50 lacs. Weekend 6: ₹ 1.19 cr. Total: ₹ 385.06 cr. India biz. ATBB.
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January 30, 2017 at 6:16 AM
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January 30, 2017 at 6:31 AM
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/sanjay-leela-bhansali-has-assured-us-on-padmavati-claims-rajput-group-10-points-1654061?pfrom=home-topstories
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January 30, 2017 at 6:44 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/dev-patel-expresses-his-views-on-donald-trumps-muslim-ban-announcement/
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January 30, 2017 at 7:55 AM
Dangal still taking giant strides towards 30m$ overseas mark.till yesterday at 29.83m$,US/Canada is at 12.31m$,Gulf is 8.67m$,absolute out of world trending in gulf beats sultan there,is at no.2 in all time list in gulf after BB.dangal did 0.14m$ in sat+sun in overseas,just 0.17m$ away from 30m$ now.
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January 30, 2017 at 8:15 AM
Akshay Kumar in Aap ki Adalat. Really enjoyable.
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January 30, 2017 at 8:40 AM
Bollyarena take on kaabil collns.
https://www.bollyarena.net/is-kaabil-box-office-collection-manipulated/
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January 30, 2017 at 8:43 AM
https://thereel.scroll.in/828031/amitabh-bachchan-starrer-deewar-was-remade-in-telugu-tamil-malayalam-and-cantonese
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January 30, 2017 at 8:48 AM
Rakesh Roshan is enjoying the success of Kaabil every hour
Kaabil is doing very well in theatres and has managed to keep the numbers coming in with good momentum despite just 40% screens at its disposal. While the Sanjay Gupta directed film has come close to the Rs. 70 crore mark already, it seemed obvious that a success party was in the offering from Roshans.
When questioned, this is what producer Rakesh Roshan said with a smile, “Well, we are actually celebrating every day and every hour right from the time the first promo was unveiled to this very point. We are doing very well with just 40% screens. We are a small film with a big heart and this is reflecting in the way audiences are responding to it as well. They have filled this heart with a lot of love.”
The Hrithik Roshan and Yami Gautam film was running to packed houses on Sunday and with theatres opening to good footfalls again today, a very good number is on the anvil.
– See more at: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/features/rakesh-roshan-enjoying-success-kaabil-every-hour/#sthash.Ns4Mr2GM.dpuf
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January 30, 2017 at 10:16 AM
that’s proof of existence of a parallel universe…
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January 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM
Who was saying they were back stabbed and crying? They are enjoying every hour of it!
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January 30, 2017 at 5:22 PM
As you seem to be revelling in the “gigantic success” of ” Art house” movie named Raees, which has Sunny Leone dance number to up the “art quotient” of the movie by few notches!! And never mind if it was ready to clash with Sultan, but its “arthouse theme” forced the makers to shift its release date to a very auspicious period of republic day!! If Raees is arthouse cinema, then Swades & Paheli must have been the flagbearers of arthouse movement in India since their release?? Don, Don 2, MNIK, Ra-1, JTHJ, HNY, Dil Wale et al have been just risky propositions all along to steer hindi film industry out of mediocrity & with Fan & Raees Shahrukh Khan has taken it to another level altogether which could make the parallel art cinema makers of 70 & 80 proud of these audacious choices, long live Shahrukh “art” Khan & his brand of artsy cinema.
Never mind the hypocrisy & duplicity of the fans as when it’s Shahrukh is doing, it becomes risky & bold, but if others are doing it, it’s just the routine stuff!! When Aamir was doing Ghulam, Sarfarosh, Earth, DCH, Lagaan, MP, RDB, TZP, Talaash, Dangal, they were all fully commercial movies full of masala!! But with Raees, suddenly “artsy” term gets introduced to this blog with emphasis on director’s pedigree as an artsy director, but Nitesh Tiwari’s history is never talked about ever as a children’s & small budget film director (on top of that he had directed 1 & 1/2 films as Chillar Party was co directed with Vikas Bahal of Queen fame. But for Raees zillion of excuses are already ready even before the end of its first extended weekend, God knows how long will it take Shahrukh to work in a “full commercial movie” as Imtiaz Ali is too niche & very arty director, so to expect a fully commercial movie from him is asking too much from him & as we know through SRK fans, he is going through an “artsy phase” to revive parallel cinema along with likes of Anurag, Zoya, Dibakar & last but most significantly Dholakia!! Long live the art movement of Shahrukh & his fans, my sincere wishes for the success in their noble endeavour 👍👍👍👍
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January 30, 2017 at 8:48 AM
Kaabil has probably done around 60 cr in 5 days extended week (taking average of BOI’s 54 cr and Roshan’s 67 cr). 12 cr or so per day average over a long weekend is a poor show. Not sure how some sites are quoting it as good.
90+ cr of Raees is 18 cr per day average, which is decent. Raees may reach 150-160 cr by the end of its run, which is marginally better than what each Akshay film did last year. SRK has really lost his halo and is in Akshay’s range these days (star power wise).
Dangal in the meantime is still adding to its total and crossed 385 cr in India and 200 cr overseas. Amazing!
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January 30, 2017 at 9:02 AM
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/box-office-kaabil-raees-fare-below-average/20170130.htm
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January 30, 2017 at 10:41 AM
Loll … look at Befikre’s “What works” … 🙂
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January 30, 2017 at 10:45 AM
yakuza bhai waiting for 9 out of 13 top grossers post.
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January 30, 2017 at 10:48 AM
Ok .. I will email that to Satyam, he can post here.
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January 30, 2017 at 10:52 AM
Thanks yakuza bhai,that post wld show sheer doominance of AB at his prime which would even put Salman fans like livewire to shame.
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January 30, 2017 at 10:55 AM
yakuza bhai,always wondered abt ur ID pic.is this ur real pic or what.i think same pic was in ur bollybusiness profile as well.
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January 30, 2017 at 10:47 AM
And rightly said .. SRK won the perception game, but movie is not doing any great at box office individually .. that’s a different thing if 130 is now a hit bar for king.
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January 30, 2017 at 11:01 AM
Well said Yakuza….Public sab jaanti hai ..
Rakesh Roshan’s interview with Komal was so honest, he said that Yahan par toh who log ( SRK, Farhan and Ritesh), Haan- Haan kar key chaley gaye, lekin baad mein mukar gaye !!
saaley back stabbers !!
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January 30, 2017 at 11:15 AM
…and to backstab someone who gave you three movies, someone who you considered as your friend…uff! too low !! below the belt !!
Naa..it ain’t daring SRK, it’s called ghatiya kameenapan !!
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January 30, 2017 at 1:00 PM
yes but the other guys aren’t paragons of ethical behavior either. So Johar might have been very sincere with SRK, has he been the same with others? I think not. The same holds for others too. No one is an angel in this business. It’s then a question of power and what you can get away with. Here too a lot of this is dictated by market forces. the bigger star and/or the bigger film will just get the better screens for the most part. Just as bigger stars suddenly get the big release dates, hardly have competition and so on. Rakesh Roshan is pretending to be a nice guy who’s somehow getting cheated by others. This is a bit of a joke. he certainly is a nice guy but he hasn’t been above unethical behavior (consider how he’s been cooking the numbers) and much more than him his son (for all the Zen pretense) is assuredly not a model of ethical behavior. I know of many examples here.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:22 PM
Agree, also -Hritik has no back bone and Rakesh Roshan has no clout left .
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January 30, 2017 at 9:02 AM
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/rishi-kapoor-i-dont-like-any-of-ranbirs-films/20170130.htm
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January 30, 2017 at 9:44 AM
he’s wrong on Chhalia.. the film certainly did fairly well. Wasn’t a big hit or anything but his characterization here is absurd.
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January 30, 2017 at 10:48 AM
Totally wrong on Challia.
It didn’t do big business but it surly wasn’t a washout like Saawariya.
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January 30, 2017 at 9:04 AM
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/maybe-i-dont-deserve-awards/20170130.htm
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January 30, 2017 at 9:59 AM
Federer explicitly told the press today that he wants to continue for another couple of years, as he is still enjoying the game (barring any injury which may keep him out).
In the last 5 years, he had reached Slam finals 3 times (defeated by Novak in all 3). Apart from that, he had reached 5 Slam semi-finals in this period.
With the new found confidence and attacking gameplay, he may have an outside chance of winning another title in the next 2 years, before finally bowing out. Not sure if it can happen, but Wimbledon is his best chance.
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January 30, 2017 at 11:14 AM
After reading articles on Bolly Arena and Indicine. I will take the middle ground in terms of collections of Kaabil to be at 56 crores. Which is an okay result if you consider MJ for Hrithik. But yes SRK has won the Perception and the Trade Commentary game. Kaabil overall could have moved and done 100 crore with more aggressive promotion. Thats the difference between a Massy film and a Thriller type film. I saw Kaabil yesterday and overall the audience liked it but i would still say it missed somewhat of the elements that would have got it into the Ghajini league. I feel Kaabil will end up with 85-90 Cr total.
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January 30, 2017 at 12:06 PM
Latest TA to reject Papa Roshans Number – Komal Nahata
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January 30, 2017 at 1:38 PM
Yeah.. Komal came around. Even another exhibitor Raj Bhansal. He is friendly with Papa Roshan and yet he posted this below.
@tajbansal9
– Day5 Sunday India @iamsrk #Raees collects ₹17 Cr.
– Day5 Sunday India @iHrithik #Kaabil collects ₹13 Cr.
– Official collections by the producers for Day5 Sunday of #Kaabil with 40% Screens are ₹15.5 Cr. 🙂
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January 30, 2017 at 1:15 PM
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January 30, 2017 at 1:22 PM
Good. As I said always just comparing every release film with the biggest hit is becoming pointless debate all over. Even if you compare all top star movies as Super hero movies of Hollywood but every super hero movie you won’t end up comparing with Avatar or latest Star Wars movie. That’s the pinnacle of achievement and not every film is made to do that.
I agree that Dilwale is huge dissapoinment in regards to its collections and similarly Happy New Year could have done 30 crores more. That’s about it and before that CE did over expectations. Fan is clear flop and SRK’s team will be happy if Raees is fine to be tagged as ‘Hit’ after FAN.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:39 PM
All stars suffered whilst been compared to SRK and only he and sex sells. His fans loved it. I doubt many cried fowl play back then. All the overseas figures of dominance were regularly splattered. Always compared to Big B. Now the audacity not to take what one dished out regularly. Twice popped at SLB, latter gave him a lesson. Now after Roshan’s. Who are pretty low anyway. It’s a bit of a mid life superstar crisis.
As you said folks cry when they lose. In this case they even throw parties! I bet a lot SRK feels like throwing a party covers the inner pain, but Tubelight he can split the costs 10-90 of another party.
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January 30, 2017 at 3:00 PM
Came on the screen when the other two contemporaries were already stars. Took the alternate hero path to the top. And then all stars suffered whilst been compared to SRK and only he and sex sells.(This line is fine!). Bachchan fans hated when he was called his successor. The rein started waning after two decades. The other two who changed routes to reinvent, got back to have their revenge at about the same time. So are doing the smaller flies who got fried at the sidelines. At 25 years the tracks are changing again..watch out! This story may have a repeat!
Heros are not those who cry, they try, once more.. and tube lights are out of fashion now. LEDs are in. They burn brighter and for a longer time!
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January 30, 2017 at 3:28 PM
I’m happy either way as long as it is achieved with good films and none of this 149 CR means one thing and 150 CR means something else. A genuine hit doesn’t need to worry about trivial finishing lines.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:12 AM
You really seem to have your knife into him.
Don’t forget that when SRK was a star he was pretty young. The other two seem to have come into their own rather late in life at a mature stage.
Big difference between stardom and darling of fans in mid 20s and in mid 40s or even now early 50s.
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January 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM
I’m not sure on Bollywood’s history, but most stars probably matured younger than these 2.
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January 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM
Jai Ho !!
Suriya’s Singam 3 collects Rs 100 cr before release, confirms producer
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/singam-3-collects-100-crore-suriya-shruti-anushka-hari/1/869830.html
According to Indiaglitz, producer Gnanavel Raja has confirmed that the film has raked in Rs 100 crore through its distribution and satellite rights. He also went on the record saying that Suriya is only next to superstar Rajinikanth when it comes to pre-release business.
It must be noted that Suriya’s films have done exceptionally well in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana.
Directed by Hari, Singam 3 is Suriya’s fifth successful collaboration with the director. The film will see Suriya as a fierce police officer Duraisingam.
Also starring Anushka Shetty, Shruti Haasan and Thakur Anoop Singh, the film has music by Harris Jayaraj
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January 30, 2017 at 2:02 PM
Khullam Khulla – Rishi Kapoor Uncensored
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January 30, 2017 at 2:11 PM
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January 30, 2017 at 4:19 PM
Was at airport; thought about picking it then realized probably all juicy stuff is out.
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January 30, 2017 at 5:13 PM
why didn’t you pick up Karan Johar’s book instead?
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January 30, 2017 at 5:19 PM
No interest in Karan’s book for now. Karan’s will be full on gossip and recent stuff whereas Rishi Kapoor’s is one of the books to be owned by movie lovers of the era gone by especially knowing his frank nature. I own Dev Anand’s too and good read.
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January 30, 2017 at 5:20 PM
I was being sarcastic!
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January 30, 2017 at 5:27 PM
Well, it can be true as well as I’m sure many of them would think I would buy Karan’s book over Rishi Kapoor.
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January 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM
yes I know. I’d be surprised if his sales weren’t greater than Rishi Kapoor’s.
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January 30, 2017 at 6:17 PM
I have stopped buying books, DVDs/Blu ray. They always end up collecting dust. I was more curious after my interaction with Rocky, so went and checked.
I don’t even remember last book read apart from the course material ones. My attention span is just webpage.
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January 31, 2017 at 1:33 AM
Instead of spending 599 on the book, I will wait for Ranbir to star in the biopic adapted from this book.
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January 30, 2017 at 2:06 PM
Looks like BOI will give 4.5-5crrs to Kaabil today and 7crrs to Raees going by the reports of bolyarena, jaiswal etc. Combined business may barely crack 12crrs.
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January 30, 2017 at 7:02 PM
number seems high for both, I thought at least raees would be around 5 crs
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January 30, 2017 at 9:54 PM
How come when I say something about clash, I am accused of being aamir’s fan? What is the connection? I did not criticise Raees and initially I felt happy that it has received good reviews and good numbers. But no more. Now I feel happy that it is struggling.
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January 30, 2017 at 11:01 PM
Sanjana – why don’t you for a change switch to a different star?
Aamir fans are in abundance in this forum and rarity outside. You be his fan outside as he needs many more and be someone neutral here. My two cents because you asked.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:43 AM
I wish Akshay to at least have some fans either online or outside as he scarcely has any in either of the avenues & his highest grosser is testimony to lack of this as going by your logic Aamir despite being fanless has been on a record breaking spree which i guess is entirely due to the sole contribution of members of this blog! But one thing I fear very much to just imagine the collections of Aamir’s movies after having fans when “fanless” Aamir is wrecking so much havoc! And look world’s biggest superstar is struggling to reach 200 Crore barrier & other one despite starring in content movies is lagging behind “the fanless Aamir”! Aamir with fans would cause people to commit suicide after looking at his records so I want to let Aamir remain where he is than the catastrophic ramifications in the aftermath of his fan following!
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January 31, 2017 at 1:31 AM
Myselfaamir – sorry if i ignited your passion. My comments was more toungue in cheek in reply to the innocent Sanjana. So pls dont take it verbatim.
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January 31, 2017 at 3:51 PM
I just stated the”facts” but seems I have ruffled many nerves!
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January 30, 2017 at 11:01 PM
And the Muslim angle & some very uneasy stuff like fight in the meat market being made to attribute film’s underperformance as if “Muslims” constitute a very miniscule percentage of Indian population ( Muslims population is about 18 Crores & 14.5% of Indian total population). So even if we go by a very narrow estimate of only 5% Muslims watching Raees in theatres, it’d be at around 1 Crore and add 1 Crore non Muslims to it which would take the aggregate to almost around 2 Crores FF which, in the worst case scenario, should be collecting in the vicinity of 175 Crores & more! And here we are taking Master’s & Z’s assumption to be true but is audience in India do behave the way while deciding to watch the movie as suggested by them?? In current times India has large population of non-vegetarians which is not averse to watching kind of scenes Z is referring to as very queasy & uncomfortable, yet numbers are suggesting otherwise! As we have witnessed with Dangal that a specific region ( Delhi/East Punjab) outperforms if a movie is set in that region, so why can’t Gujarat do the same for Raees as Raees is set in Gujarat by contributing at the least as much as Delhi/East Punjab have to immense success of Dangal?? Piku is another example which did exceptionally well in West Bengal due to its backdrop & characters being Bengali. And it is after a very long time when movie starring one of the Khans is wearing its “Muslimness (religion)” on its sleeve, so if movie is true to at least in its religious coding, I find no reeson why it should not be a success among Muslims at the very least?? But all this bullshit is just to find alibis for movie’s underperformance as if someone put a gun on Shahrukh’s head to budget Raees at 90+ Crores & that too knowing Dholakia’s “artsy” credentials & subject being very niche! Shahrukh is reckoned to be “marketing wizard” in media so where has his common sense gone when he keeps on squandering such huge budgets on niche subjects such as Fan & Raees being the latest instances of his miscalculation! If he delivers a blockbuster, his fans tend to make him hog all the credit for its success, but for a failure they are ready with zillions of excuses ranging from sheer bad luck to clash to niche subject & even directors inefficiency but Shahrukh! If DDLJ, KKHH, DTPH, KA, Mohabbaten, K3G, KHNH, VZ, KANK, OSO, RNBDJ, MNIK, DON, DON 2, HNY, CE, Dil Wale have one thing common is that most of them have huge star cast & big directors besides Shahrukh in making these movies an extravagant affairs but for partisans one & only Shahrukh is responsible in making them what they are! This myopic & convenient media narrative has been the USP of Shahrukh the superstar all through these years but of late cracks have begun to appear in his image partly due to other two Khans superior box office performances & easy accessibility of collection data to those who are interested in it to ascertain the real standing of stars than the media made! I shudder to imagine what if Shahrukh were to be in position of either Aamir or Salman, the cacophony & ruckus for him would be “unfathomable” describing his success & adjectives would fall short to explain the “phenomenon” named Shahrukh! Wishing all the very best to Shahrukh & his tireless zealot fanatics that time will come when they do not have to resort to past to describe him!
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January 30, 2017 at 11:06 PM
Main thing is SRK looks best when he plays Raj or Rahul, goes to church instead of temple and likes someone’s wife instead of his own. Other names don’t suit him as much on screen.
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January 31, 2017 at 10:09 AM
@Naveen “Sanjana – why don’t you for a change switch to a different star? Aamir fans are in abundance in this forum and rarity outside. You be his fan outside as he needs many more and be someone neutral here. My two cents because you asked.”
🙂 🙂 Naveen this to me is the comment of this month ending day !
Myselfaamir got rattled and started to give you these robotic territories / figures/ numbers. Someone must explain to her / him now with time this 380 cr figs of Dangal with 2 years of filming, test screening with a team of trainers coming across very calculated, plotted with a synthetic & unnatural feel to it unlike say a 320 of Bajrangi which seems natural, free flowing mitti ki khushbu kind of real thing. Frankly it’s been a month and Dangal is so out of the system which is not the case with other Aamir movies say a RDB or DCH. BB on other hand seems fresh like a dew and every screening on TV is engaging and lovable no matter which point one picks.
In film analogy, you must have seen Rocky-4 there is Drago who is carefully fitted and trained where even his punching power are measured via computers, receives injections. Now compare that to free flowing Rocky Balboa of Bajrangi who lifts and throws heavy logs, chops down trees, pulls an overloaded snow sleigh , jogs through heavy snow under treacherous icy conditions, and climbs the largest icy mountain……….hearts on fire !
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January 31, 2017 at 10:22 AM
ya the world agrees with this livewire by giving Aamir 5 ATHG and ATBB in his last 6 films.i guess why didn’t all these things happened when sallu came back after almost 2 years with jai ho.i guess this long period should also have had helped jai ho.if aamir is breaking records after records with rarity of fans,i don’t know what wld happen the day he gets some fans.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:35 PM
Aamir films discussed only for the crores it made! That must be the ultimate nightmare for Aamnir khan!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:44 PM
Raees underperformance is showing in your typing 😉
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January 31, 2017 at 11:12 AM
Empty vessels make more noise. Like Sultan and BB!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:38 PM
You live in your own concocted “Salman bubble” with your own invented alternate reality suited to your whims & fancies, you have my sympathy & well wishes as it’s very hard to come out of this neurotic state wherein you just can’t “accept or admit” anyone trouncing your favourite & that too on a consistent basis! It must be so nerve-wracking for fan like you but you should prepare yourself to live with this harsh & grim reality as future might exacerbate your woes further!
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January 31, 2017 at 12:55 AM
Kaabil Has A Poor Monday
Tuesday 31 January 2016 11.15 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Kaabil (Hindi) had a poor Monday as it grossed 4 crore nett and took its six day total to 58 crore nett. The drop from Friday is 45% and better than the normal 50% but that is because collections on Friday itself were poor. Its the same story across the country with Punjab in the North doing just 35 lakhs nett, West Bengal in east doing just 25 lakhs nett and Gujarat in the West collecting only 40 lakhs nett. South India is even worse. The film had a chance on Monday as the collections of Raees also had a drop so this basically the acid test for the film but to be at around 4 crore nett on Monday does not give it a chance to have good final final or cut into the lead of Raees. The six day business of Kaabil (Hindi) is as follows.
Wednesday – 8,00,00,000
Thursday – 15,50,00,000
Friday – 7,50,00,000
Saturday – 10,75,00,000
Sunday – 12,25,00,000
Monday – 4,00,00,000 apprx
TOTAL – 58,00,00,000
The extended first week of nine days looks to be heading for around the 67-69 crore nett mark and even though there is no release in the second week its not really going to benefit much as the second week business will not be good. The film flattered on the big national holiday and on Saturday a little but eventually the reports and limited public appreciation was likely to tell on collections and that is what has happened on Monday.
http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2676
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January 31, 2017 at 1:37 AM
BOI is under reporting as collections are more in 6 Cr nett range for Kaabil. All to prove initial narration.
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January 31, 2017 at 2:09 AM
Raees Drops On First Monday
Tuesday 31 January 2016 12.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Raees had a drop in collections on Monday as it grossed 6 crore nett to take its total to 98.25 crore nett. The drop is 55% from Friday which is on the higher side and the film really needed to clock up a 7 crore nett plus Monday. It has won the clash with Kaabil as that film is unlikely to reach the five day weekend total of Raees but that is not really the objective for the film. The fact that the film was best in where Shahrukh Khan films outperform rather than where mass films do best was a problem over the five days and on Monday the better circuits came down also as these mass types don’t sustain there. The reports in the multiplexes especially North were not there and that told on Monday as the holds in single screens were much better. The weekend ensures its a safe film but that will be about it. The first six day business of Raees is as follows.
Wednesday – 20,25,00,000
Thursday – 26,25,00,000
Friday – 13,00,00,000
Saturday – 15,50,00,000
Sunday – 17,25,00,000
Monday – 6,00,00,000
TOTAL – 98,25,00,000
The extended first week of the film is set to be around 112-113 crore nett but the Monday drop makes it tough in the second week even though no major releases. The second week will also be close in terms of the clash with Kaabil but the lead is already too big for that film to making any big inroads into it.
http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2677
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January 31, 2017 at 2:13 AM
Really poor numbers for both. 10crrs combined for the day. Kaabil will struggle to get to 85-90crrs while Raees 135-140crrs.
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January 31, 2017 at 6:01 AM
I can understand kaabil to do about 85cr apprx but Raees is big let down, i was surely convinced that atleast it will do 200cr..
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January 31, 2017 at 4:40 AM
This is a bad news now. I hope BOI has not been taken over by Roshans.
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January 31, 2017 at 6:02 AM
” I hope BOI has not been taken over by Roshans.”
quote of the day ..lol
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January 31, 2017 at 6:00 AM
Kaabil seems like a total flop. Raees is way better in terms of the total of course but is unlikely to get anywhere close to 150 unless it shows some strength in the second weekend. Even playing the budget game (Krish suggested 90 for Kaabil and 150 for Raees) doesn’t look like either film is going to reach that target though one or the other might come closer. As things are going I think a Dilwale/Bang Bang total is most likely for Raees whereas Kaabil won’t even get to ZNMD’s 90. Overall don’t think there’s any way to classify each film other than as a flop (if this trend lasts for each). I would say SRK has won this round and has the much more respectable total but this late in the day with Salman and Aamir being where they are I don’t think this was really his goal.
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January 31, 2017 at 6:22 AM
” SRK has won this round and has the much more respectable total but this late in the day with Salman and Aamir being where they are I don’t think this was really his goal ”
srk has comes to term that to beat sallu or amir is not clash with them but rather join them..tubelight is a classic example and promoting raees with salman is another clue..I think srk is been smart here,he is trying hard but to beat salman is one thing but to beat amir is impossible..
2017
Jolly LLB 2…febuary
Rangoon …febuary
Sarkar 3…march
Baahubali 2 ..april
Tubelight…june
The Ring…august
Padmavati …november
Tiger Zinda Hai..december…xmas
eid and xmas is already 300cr booked for salman khan.
august is srk Ring which is a chance for 300cr there…if its any good content otherwise guaranteed 150cr as initial star power..
akki jolly llb2 is a certain 100cr ..
surprize no thug of hindostan or secret superstar…
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January 31, 2017 at 7:27 AM
@ vijay: If Dutt is clashing and entertaining like other hirani movies I don’t think TZH can do 300crrs. Also Srk movie with Imtiaz for 300crrs? I doubt it can do even 200crrs let alone 300crr as Imtiaz’s movies are not that big at bo.
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January 31, 2017 at 7:57 AM
He does joke about his not so successful films. One might say thats his way of overcoming it. Even so its not a bad way. He accepts it is a good step forward and doesn’t give excuses.
He said his films haven’t been no. 1 or blockbusters for a long time when someone in the crowd said this for his film Raees which he had gone there to promote.
But I have heard praise for his work and looks in Raees from almost everyone. No one criticised it. So am not sure what is the reason for its not working.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:09 AM
I think too much gore, perhaps. Maybe it is about meat thing. As a vegetarian, chicken scene in Dangal did not go well with me. Forget that, even too much blood and violence as depicted in Anurag Kashyap’s films, in typical hollywood movies are a turn off for me.
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January 31, 2017 at 1:45 AM
Haven’t written at all in a long time..but some interesting commentary here…regarding folks staying away because of the ‘Muslim’ angle…
This doesn’t have to do with MUSLIM angle…this has to do with ‘rawness.’ What Muslim angle are we talking about? Let’s make SRK a Maratha [don’t mean to be condescending here but Raj Thackeray enjoys his whiskey everyday and his chicken kababs] who uses a goat and f!@ks around in a meat-market as an action sequence..I would be EQUALLY put off as a weak-hearted, non-meat eating person.
This DOESN’T have to do with Muslim angle: Muslim angle, and vegetarianism are MUTUALLY exclusive. There might be Muslims who might be offended with this. And there might be Hindus who could care less about this. I would turn my face away from this sort of mucky action sequence..not because one is a Hindu or a vegetarian Hindu, but because, psychologically, I am not used to this stuff!!
I am a ghaas-poos guy but DIDN’T hesitate to watch the North Korean resident Kayasth Brahman Kashyap’s GANGS OF WASSEYPUR! I closed my eyes when it came to butcher-shop chopping sequences but that’s me! Why the hell would anyone — I am talking of adults here; not kids — boycott or not watch a good piece of film-making just because of 10 minutes of extreme violence when the rest of the film is really thrilling?
I stay away from Korean films; I would love to but don’t have the guts to watch OLDBOY; I just cannot handle that kind of gory stuff. I watch CRIME PATROL sincerely but close my eyes and ears when it comes to stabbing; it DOESN’t have anything to do with religion.
So I don’t buy this MUSLIM angle stuff, though I do agree that if it is a very, very, dark film, yes, obviously kids and maybe some women-folk could stay away.
That way, when Amitabh played a Muslim in COOLIE, it would be a big flop! Oh wait, Modi was still serving tea at that time, it was still ‘secularism’ ruling the roost, Amitabh was out of Breach Candy, and of course, people were ‘wiser’!!
Brahmins in West Bengal eat Hilsa fish as their daily diet, and Konkanastha Brahmins in Mangalore enjoy their breakfast by chopping fish..go figure..
I am of course, boycotting RAEES since I don’t want even a single cent to go to SRK and his family: After all, I have a reputation to live upto, that of an intolerant, internet Hindu!!!!
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January 31, 2017 at 2:21 AM
How did X Files fascinate you?
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January 31, 2017 at 2:54 AM
Ahh! that chemistry, physical or meta-physical, is one for the centuries!!! Of course, the ploy was in making both of them extremely good-looking physically… but, boy, what a chemistry!!
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January 31, 2017 at 6:23 AM
Gillian Anderson back then was simply sizzling. You didn’t find it gruesome at any point???
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February 1, 2017 at 2:08 AM
Jay I didn’t find it gruesome per se; but some characters were of-course off-putting: However, the fascinating part for me was the held-back physical but extremely pressed mental relations between the 2 characters. That to me has always been the series’ strength. I have NEVER seen such kind of ‘separated’ but yet ‘united’ chemistry between 2 extremely physically beautiful bet mentally unlike folks…Everything else, took a back-seat for me..
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February 1, 2017 at 2:20 AM
The relationship aspects were sublime. One had to wait a hefty 6-7 series for a romantic angle to happen. I love the polarizes relationship but still working together. It’s TV gold for me. I recently revisited it all again this time with my wife. She loved it.
One day I’ll watch it again.
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January 31, 2017 at 5:07 AM
Haven’t seen the film. But what’s this about a goat in the meat market and people actually feeling offended when there is such extreme violence on screen and in real life involving people?
If it came from animal lovers like I know who think animals are better than people then I’d understand, but……..
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January 31, 2017 at 6:03 AM
The second half is supposed to be more grim and violent. This is the kind of thing that often doesn’t work with a larger audience. However it doesn’t work whether the characters are Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists and irrespective of their choice of meat or vegetable! Now one sequence or another might not be for the squeamish but this sort of thing doesn’t bring a whole film down if people otherwise love everything about it. But if it’s part of the overall tone of the film at that point it’s a different matter. In any case this is the subject SRK chose.
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January 31, 2017 at 7:31 AM
Oldgol, when I made this comment, my thought was strictly around if you’re a vegetarian (not animal lover, there’s a difference) like many hindus are, you probably don’t like seeing meat getting chopped, fight sequence with chopped off head goat, etc…
I also provide my household example that we being muslim if a pig comes on TV, we switch the channel.
This is not about somebody being offended or it was too violent but more about one not wanting to watch something based on their religious belief, this was my point. Not just meat market fight sequence but there were few other things which I thought was problematic or raises a question.
not sure what point satyam is trying to make but not everything can be agenda driven.
Once again, there’s a difference between the type of muslimness shown in Raees. somebody above made a dumb comment that coolie should have flopped since Amitabh was muslim. Go watch coolie and raees to see the difference.
By the way, the meat market fight sequence is probably the best fight sequence in recent Bollywood history.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:54 AM
With all due respect and with reference to the pig thing you’ve brought up it depresses me. This has nothing to do with Raees. It’s a symptom of the times we live. Hindus, Muslims, everyone. From cow obsessions to pig obsessions. This also has nothing to do with ‘belief’ because not everything can or should be justified in the name of ‘belief’. To be clear I’m not disputing anyone’s right to believe in anything or hold certain things sacred or whatever. My argument is never against religious belief. It is about the employment of religious belief to justify just anything. Don’t take this the wrong way. Not insulting you or your family. This is the sort of debate I have with friends and family, Hindus and Muslims alike. In each case I always say I’m not against any sort of religious belief. But to not watch a pig on TV is I think taking things too far. But this also connects to the Raees point you’re making. it’s because we’ve become so claustrophobic in matters of belief, so uncompromising that we live in the environment we do, and globally. Sticking to India though this is how anything and everything is justified and questioning any such belief invites this indignant reaction – don’t question my personal beliefs, you have no right. Meanwhile we keep ghettoizing ourselves. Think of it this way (by the way since you yourself brought up this anecdote on a public forum you’ve opened it up for discussion) — if you can’t even watch a pig on TV (there’s no religious stricture for this sort of thing, nothing even remotely close.. not being allowed to consume pigs is a bit different from not even wishing to look at them) consider how ‘reasonable’ suddenly all those Hindutva extremists seem. They can’t bear to see anyone consume not just beef but any meat belonging to the larger bovine family. Yes it’s about the political uses of these things. In a lot of cases the outrage is invented and fed to people who willingly comply. But it’s part and parcel of the anecdote you’re mentioning. Again not questioning your beliefs here but at the same time debates on things cannot stop with terms like ‘family’ and ‘country’ or what have you. I’ve made this point in several contexts. I don’t find many beliefs ok just because my family practices them. They of course have a right to believe whatever they want but not every belief is ethically justifiable in the same way and not every belief can even be justified using the umbrella of whatever religion one follows. If one does not accept this then one is also granting whatever belief the violent extremist has. Now of course one could argue that ‘we are not killing others because of our beliefs whereas the violent extremist is’. that’s true but notice how the logic relied on is a similar one in each case. as long as it’s a belief that receives its completely justification in one’s personal practice or as a wholly private matter and as long as such a belief needs no greater ethical justification the door is automatically opened for others who in the same ‘private’ sense might believe that killing others is ok to advance their beliefs. In each case the belief will have been non-debatable. I won’t extend this whole discussion here except to say that in the context of Raees whether it’s your pig anecdote or people being offended by the sequences in the film (I’ll go along with your claim for the moment though I still completely reject the idea that the film is making whatever it is because of this reason and otherwise could have made a lot more) this is the kind of ghettoized reality we’re all part of. Raees as a film is a symptom of this much as most films these days are (i.e. those that represent such characters). This is precisely what Desai didn’t do. In AAA yes there are minority stereotypes and there is here too a certain ghettoization on display but what moderates it greatly is the film’s own stance. Desai loves the minorities more than his majorities or in his sequence majority belief is just another fetishized set of practices. The ‘proof’ of this is Suhaag. Here you see his one film that is more or less about ‘Hindus’ and also deals with Hindu religiosity at certain levels and it’s his darkest film. It’s not a happy film like AAA or Naseeb, the two films that sandwich it. Parvarish too is somewhat darker. As for Coolie notice how he extends Deewar in certain ways. The very fact that you think Raees is harder for audiences to swallow than Coolie reveals the difference in the age we live in compared to that earlier one. So let’s try this thought experiment. In Deewar you have a guy who has a quarrel with god, refuses to enter the temple but then is quite happy to accept the talismanic qualities of the ‘786’ once this is explained to him. But it goes beyond personal belief. The ‘786’ actually keeps protecting him throughout the film and it is only when he loses it that he dies. This is the film’s objective reality. Can you imagine someone trying that today? Or Coolie. Here you have the Deewar coolie actually becoming a full-blown Muslim. Consider the climactic sequence. The god of Indian cinema writing with his blood the ultimate ‘confession’ of Muslim faith. The potency of these moments is impossible to overstate. Again think about how this would play today in terms of inviting protests and what not. A lot of these films have become classics and so we don’t realize how radical their subtexts are. Even in Coolie though the ghettoization seems darker when it’s not about Bachchan. He transcends many of these things and I won’t get into that discussion here. But my larger point is that Desai always tried to create a more universal cinema using his privileged Nehruvian paradigm. Today we have the ghettoization as an end in itself. Whether Raees or its box office were impacted to any great degree by those moments or not what is more significant is that you think this might be the case. And this is symptomatic of the times. Again I’m not trying to insult you or question your beliefs or anything. At the same time I can’t say that when I make an argument in good faith I am particularly bothered whether anyone is offended/insulted or not. Be they Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, nationalists of various stripes, ethnic chauvinists or whatever. The world would be a little better if we managed to be a little more relaxed about these things and in general have a better sense of humor in matters of faith. I respect all forms of belief in the sense that I don’t privilege one over the other in any sense whatsoever. My problems begin where I start seeing the human toll of some of these beliefs. Not just people killing others but also creating a discourse that relies more and more on exclusivity. I don’t just reject these things because I might have a different view, I reject these in the name of precisely those belief systems. To use a shorthand ‘Hinduism’ (let’s indulge in this British term for a moment.. too late to change it anyway) must be defended from Hindutva, Islam must be defended from all these Islamisms, so on and so forth. Ultimately AAA must be defended from Raees! They are completely different ‘animals’!
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January 31, 2017 at 9:10 AM
Bravo!
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January 31, 2017 at 9:33 AM
Why we need all these ‘isms’ anyway..it is not essential to living! and then we take that onto even enjoying an art form!
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January 31, 2017 at 9:46 AM
I don’t know if Z was referring to Pig solely on the basis of religious belief and may be tying this up to a gut wrenching gruesome sight. Raw meat or dripping blood can easily induce vomit in matter of minutes among many. Of course foreign shores are a different thing altogether but looking at the state of pigs in India and how they are seen only close to excrement and dropping not to forget pigs fascination with filthy naala & galee I wouldn’t be surprised if that sight alone can turn many to pure vegetarian. These things are all subjective and much to do with their own upbringing and environment.
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January 31, 2017 at 10:18 AM
No he was saying it explicitly in a religious context. As for the rest that actually makes my point. There are lots of gruesome scenes involving humans (killings, torture, bodies etc) that many people cannot stomach. Maybe a lot of people have this issue with Raees. But that’s not a ‘Muslim’ issue. I’m sure there are some vegetarians turned off by these scenes but it’s easier to accept the much simpler claim here — there isn’t a big market for RGV’s films (the dark, violent ones). Even on his best day this market was limited. the same for any director who does something similar. Forget the violence, the market for dark films is limited to begin with. Any number of examples could be given. So even when they do well they do so at a limited level. When all of this is staring one in the face there’s no reason to introduce the Muslim angle. It’s not as if the films of RGV or Vishal Bhardwaj or films like DMD or Talaash or Khakee or whatever.. are otherwise big hits. With or without violence. Now if those kinds of films were very successful I could consider this angle but they aren’t. In a similar sense if SRK had a better track record for the last dozen years I would also consider this. But he doesn’t. Most of his films behave exactly like Raees irrespective of competition or release date or genre. So again there’s no reason to reject the most obvious explanation and go in for the less likely one. This idea that Raees in the first half is a perfect film on its way to 225 crores or whatever is itself a myth though one that is invoked each time a SRK film releases. I’m sure Raees is otherwise fine as a film but the idea that it’s super in the first half is frankly something I’m quite skeptical about. For more than one reason.
anyway I’m saying this as a more general matter and for the benefit of others reading. Not that you’re ‘mr reasonable’ when it comes to most of these debates!
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January 31, 2017 at 11:19 AM
@”anyway I’m saying this as a more general matter and for the benefit of others reading. Not that you’re ‘mr reasonable’ when it comes to most of these debates!”
You are touching a raw nerve mister ! For all u know that might be the only voice of reason out here. A couple of days back I had pasted lyrics of Pink Floyd classic on turning this blog in some sort of rigid schooling and thought control of the members.
On Raees and Kaabil, after having watched the movies I never thought Raees would go past 120cr & Kaabil past 90 cr. In hindsight, SRK played his card well going in for a clash here because the initial 5-day weekend will constitute a bulk of the earnings for both. If I remember correctly , while filming Dilwale, srk got very excited when someone asked him about this movie and how the subject matter was up his alley and he is going to make this character memorable. Even then this was supposed to be a small in between movie among his upcoming biggies.
I will agree with you that box-office reach of these gangster movies is very limited and I was a bit surprised when they announced an Eid release for this one. Even a classic like Company & Satya were hardly box-office earners due to limited reach of these movies with no support from friends and family. Somewhere they added dances & marriage and out of place romance with a Pak actress for overseas earnings to compensate for the shortfalls just in case.
This is the reason I talk about srk state of mind and zoning when he is doing a movie. A clear mind would cut frills and have a very clean cut story based movie like say a Black Friday and it will still work and get his applauds in this age of social media and TV channels which can then catch up because audience is always yearning for a good story. Salman cannot do a Raees and his zoning requires all the jazz attached to him at the moment and that is why he reworked on Kashyap’s Dabangg to make it work for him.
Btw Bharadwaj Rangan in his Raees thread talks about why an Aamir cannot do a Bajrangi Bhaijaan….something you were not agreeing with me. There is a nice exchange on how a srk , aamir and salman cannot interchange their roles very easily… something about intelligence, class / mass and audience perceptions.
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January 31, 2017 at 11:38 AM
“For all u know that might be the only voice of reason out here.”
Yup.. just like you have been on all the Salman gross predictions…
by the way your support of SRK’s 120 much more than Aamir’s 380 is all very touching but I hope you won’t get SRK when Tubelight releases. We’ll have to give him at least a 100 on the gross..
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January 31, 2017 at 1:54 PM
Satyam what a comment. You are a religion in itself. I could get into it more but will only dilute the quality.
You are of course mean and direct but that comes with territory of the surrounding of the blog.
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January 31, 2017 at 3:11 PM
That’s extraordinarily generous Jay.. thank you..
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February 1, 2017 at 5:24 PM
Bravo….Golf Clap !!!!
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January 31, 2017 at 6:11 PM
Z:
Don’t know why you are being dumb by not taking my name – I was the one who compared this to COOLIE.
You can’t just pull that one sentence and take it out of context. When I took the example, I only meant the entire ‘milieu’ of the film – not specific scenes per se.
I am in fact agreeing with you that if the film is very dark in its content and tone, of course folks might not be very thrilled to watch it. It doesn’t have to be a ‘Muslim’ gangster for the majority of the public to stay away from this.
I haven’t watched it and obviously can’t comment more on it. I was only talking about the ‘Muslimness’ you keep raising.
Anyway, Satyam and others have commented more and better than me. So no point in extending.
FYI, I have watched COOLIE.
1. SRK’s movies never interest me unless they are really helmed by folks like Mani or Amin.
2. SRK might play Shivaji in a movie who takes on the Mughals but I would still not watch it because of issues I have with SRK. That’s just my personal decision.
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January 31, 2017 at 3:32 AM
http://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/raees-vs-kaabil-box-office-collection-with-lesser-screens-srks-film-races-ahead-in-tamil-nadu-3239696.html
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January 31, 2017 at 3:42 AM
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/features/dropped-rajput-name-make-stance-slb-issue-clear-sushant-singh/
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January 31, 2017 at 7:45 AM
ha – this link says he dropped Ram-Leela for Paani!!
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January 31, 2017 at 8:11 AM
Haha. He must be regretting. That too with DP.
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January 31, 2017 at 6:09 AM
I think Indicine had predicted last week that Raees’ final will be around 140cr. It does seem that it will end around the 135-140cr range.
It is not a bad result for SRK. It is going to be a hit and it has beaten Kaabil comfortably. He has probably showed he can still deliver a very good openings and kill off decent opposition.
However, the gap between him and the top 2 remains huge.
And Raees’ performance seems more in the range of Akshay Kumar starrers. The difference is that the latter delivers 3 or 4 of them every year, holidays or no holidays, competition or no competition and for half of the budget. Raees took over 2 years in the making and the result does look underwhelming.
HR probably needs to re-invent himself. He has nothing coming up in the near future. I don’t think he has signed anything recently. The earlier he comes up with another movie to get over recent set-bakcs, the better.
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January 31, 2017 at 6:12 AM
Producer figure for both Raees and Kaabil is 6 cr on dreaded Monday (Kaabil figures are obviously inflated).
But the point is, that both movies have tanked on Monday (if Friday figures were not sufficient indicators). With this kind of trending, both films will turn out to be flops or below average fares.
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January 31, 2017 at 6:14 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/akshay-kumars-jolly-llb-2-based-real-life-cases/
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January 31, 2017 at 6:31 AM
Have been offered awards in exchange of half performance fees: Akshay Kumar
http://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/have-been-offered-awards-in-exchange-of-half-performance-fees-akshay-kumar/story-NRXikVZvFUDiStfilcba8L.html
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January 31, 2017 at 6:34 AM
“Since childhood, I have the habit of sleeping on time and waking up early and this is how it has been. Sometimes it so happens that my fellow actors are coming back from a party when I am going to the gym in the morning and we wave at each other,” said Akshay when probed.
While, Akshay’s career has seen super hit films such as Hera Pheri, Khiladi series, Bhool Bhulaiya, Airlift and Rustom, there was a time when he experienced 16 flop films.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:23 AM
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January 31, 2017 at 10:03 AM
Raees has dropped on Monday by around 55%. The film has grossed around 6.20 crore which has taken its total close to 100 crore.
Such kind of drop was expected on Monday due to the higher extended weekend. However it should have held better. Raees was doing its business mainly in Mumbai circuit which tends to drop more on weekdays. Instead it is traditional North Indian markets which hold better after the weekend. But Raees was average there in the weekend so it was expected.
On Monday, Raees has dropped badly in North India as the occupancy has fallen to very low levels. The same trend continues on Tuesday also with even higher drops. It is unlikely to collect much in the second week in the region.
https://www.bollyarena.net/raees-monday-box-office-collection/
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January 31, 2017 at 10:16 AM
Why is BOI not giving update abt dangal FF.I think it cld cross border FF of 3.70 cr.if it wld have been a sallu film,it wld have updated FF twice a week.
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January 31, 2017 at 10:39 AM
Oldgold:”But I have heard praise for his work and looks in Raees from almost everyone. No one criticised it. So am not sure what is the reason for its not working.”
As I said in my review(I write it before reading any spoilers or reviews and usually 1st show) that the 2nd half is very serious tone and its not a true commercial movie as shown from trailer. The movie itself is well made but the tone doesn’t warrant repeat value and is too heavy to watch. Besides raw gruesome violence will keep away women and family audience. All my friends with kids here didn’t go for the reason they can’t take kids and everyone has to drop. Only few guys go out leaving families/kids.
As I said I would have been truly disappointed without watching the movie but once I watched the movie and liked it to an extent I have no issues with the business as I saw it all coming. It is very difficult for such a movie to be big grosser irrespective of any star in it. I think folks who have not seen also can figure out that it has lot better WOM than say a HNY or Dilwale and yet it won’t do huge business as its not that kind of movie.
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January 31, 2017 at 10:46 AM
I don’t have an issue with the first part of your claim, that it has raw or gruesome violence. But my problem still is that such benefit of doubt isn’t given to other actors when they do similar films. So one can’t change the rules for some actors. Finally notice the contradiction in your position on WOM. You’re saying it has very good WOM but nonetheless it won’t do well enough because many people won’t like the second half. Well if they don’t then WOM isn’t that good! Better quality films still don’t have great WOM in many cases. It would be one thing if the film started at 10 crores and then went on to a 100. There I’d say that there was a certain market for it which is proved by the trending but that it isn’t a film for everyone. But when a film opens much bigger than this and drops so much on Mon and doesn’t grow very much on Sun (BOI’s claim by the way) then it clearly hasn’t been liked enough. Now it could be that most of the people who showed up expected a much lighter film than it is. But that still means WOM is not great. You can’t have it every which way. People don’t say ‘this is a great film but it’s so heavy and dark I’ll tell everyone to stay away from it’! Once again my argument isn’t with Raees. SRK fans though are another matter altogether (even if these days many other star fans also behave in the same way).
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January 31, 2017 at 10:50 AM
No contradiction. Read my posts.. I say folks (women, kids) are not even going to watch it after reading about the violence doesn’t matter even if the movie is good. Also I said, 2nd half is heavy for repeat watch even for people who liked it.
So, you expect me to come here and support movies like Shivaay to prove that am unbiased in your eyes? LMAO!! Hilarious!
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January 31, 2017 at 11:46 AM
Krish said on day 1 or 2 and despite the much better numbers for Raees that WOM wasn’t very good here. Now I understand neither you nor he were running scientific samples but I think he’s been more correct than you on this. Now you were saying after watching the film that it would do 150-160 but that without competition it would have been 225. Given the two films are combining for 10-12 crores on Mon you of course cannot stick to the competition argument. So now it’s all about the content. Now you say you saw exactly this gross coming. there’s no fall on Mon, no problems whatsoever. Just that every single male has seen it in the first three days and chaps with families aren’t showing up anyway. I have some advice here. Perhaps SRK should seek Aamir’s help and ask him to persuade some of his Ghajini family crowd to show up here. Just a suggestion. On the rest I have simple proposition combining all the points you and others have made here. If SRK acts in a family (hey but which family? Maybe if he plays a Gujarati or a Marathi, North Indians won’t come and vice versa… ) film, and plays a vegetarian in it, if he releases it without competition and doesn’t have this for another 4 weeks he’ll maybe do 300. Or else he can be modest like Johar and refuse to have grossers greater than 100 crores. Those films will be certified hits the moment they cross 70 or 80. So don’t worry there’s still a path forward here. let’s have a truce on this.
I must actually apologize to everyone for even many of my comments on this subject. It’s become totally stale at this point.
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January 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM
Not at all. Very interesting comments.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM
Ofcourse my points and expectations were before the Monday collections. The Monday’s drop has been more than expectation and that seals the deal and might not touch 150 crore. I was responding to OldGold’s comment that people are not really disliking it as much. Same here, Not many of them I know hated the movie but are not saying its great either. Its not a recommendable movie. Either ways.. if the movie ends lower then it is what it is. I don’t think anyone will find ways to support it. No one did for Fan for 85 crores but you found folks supporting Shivaay with 85 crores having huge support for no reason.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:43 PM
I don’t recall ever supporting Shivaay.. I questioned ADHM more because some like yourself were also supporting it more. Both results were completely subpar. Shivaay probably lost a lot more money. On fan that was a poor result too much as even DZ recently was a relatively poor result. Why? Because you can’t open much bigger than Piku or Pink or whatever and then get to the same number. Pink too didn’t trend like Piku but DZ didn’t even trend like Pink. Fan was a much more commercial deal anyway. SRK still has an initial going so many of these numbers look more respectable than they actually are. Because every film of his one way or the other seems to start tanking after the weekend. You can’t just look at 85 crores or whatever in isolation. Getting back to Shivaay given everything I’m not sure that ADHM’s 100 or so is a much better result than Shivaay’s 85. That doesn’t mean I’m supporting Shivaay. Much as DZ is still a better result than Fan.
On the rest there are many movies people don’t hate but don’t like either. I can point out many examples. But clearly WOM one way or the other isn’t good enough. Put differently ‘ok’ might be good enough to drag people to the theaters for Salman but not for SRK. I think Dilwale too recently showed this. Everything you’re saying about WOM here applies to many other films as well.
for the record neither the Kaabil nor the Raees box office result is particularly surprising to me. With the former I always expected a flop. With the latter the first theatrical trailer was promising. Then again SRK’s films for many years now have mostly been worse than the trailers. And it shows in the box office response.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:16 PM
Ghajini and this is different..
Ghajini is a love story basically..and any amount of violence for a revenge of a loved one can be excused.
In Raees, honestly i didn’t expect some of the scenes that were in it, especially one where they were stopping a daru bandi procession and creating a riot situation, and a mainstream hero doing it! And this violence was not for something good, but for an illegal thing like liquor in a dry state. Then it goes on to showing some1 who was accused of assisting terrorism was actually innocent in that matter. For somebody like SRK, who is targeted in the recent times for his religious identity it was definitely a gamble to do this. Then of course, it was his choice, maybe he wanted to take up that challenge or maybe purely that he signed it before the climate changed.
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January 31, 2017 at 2:36 PM
Satyam you are on a roll! Keep’em coming as it’s been long time going through “dry days” with your prolonged absence!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:11 PM
another example of star power.. the moment there’s a SRK film my comments multiply!
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January 31, 2017 at 10:48 AM
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January 31, 2017 at 11:23 AM
These bollyarena, indicine etc. Are big jokes . Trade sites have mushroomed over the past few years due to huge yearning of people for boxoffice figures.
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February 1, 2017 at 1:45 PM
https://www.bollyarena.net/is-kaabil-box-office-collection-manipulated/
“You all know that we follow Box Office India, but in the case of Kaabil, they have gone wrong.”
Bollyarena are saying they follow BOI 🙂
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January 31, 2017 at 10:54 AM
Funny that such excuses did not deter Ghajini. It was a pretty violent movie on all counts, yet became ATBB.
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January 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM
Funny that people don’t watch it and yet comment so confidently!!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:01 PM
Funnier is the fact that people vanish when their favourite’s bete noire began smashing records right, left & centre, much to their chagrin & reappear from nowhere just around the corner of their favourite’s release time & start throwing excuses for its underperformance as they are prepared with their excuses in advance! But one thing I must laud Shahrukh fans for is their undying optimism of his resurrection despite repeated failures one after the other & that I mean in the real sense not tongue in cheeck.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:21 PM
I think we should not take absenteeism during some releases too seriously. It can be coincidental.
Also when your favorite wins/succeeds, you read every single news out there. When they lose, you just ignore news.
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January 31, 2017 at 9:46 PM
You know, aamir makes a boring topic for conversation. Now, take that positively, maybe ‘too much perfection’ is boring!
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January 31, 2017 at 11:19 AM
There can be no justification for below par performance of Raees. Violence, a serious second are absurd excuses. I have seen the film didn’t find these aspects deterrent, the second half is sluggish and that pulls the whole movie down. A 6 crore Monday film doesn’t have favourable WOM , and a large number of audiences haven’t liked the film. If these excuses can justify then under performance then one can explain poor performance of any movie. Its a clear fact and those who have seen it very well know that it was a cent percent commercial where these so called commercial aspects were exaggerated to make it more appealing to the masses. The film was made to mint loads of money, it wasnt an art venture and if it has failed to do that it means the purpose of the makers have been defeated.
The underperformance has been a bit shadowed by poor performance of Kaabil, but that not something which will relieve SRK, people may blame Kaabil for its underperformance but the way it has dropped result would have been near same with a solo release.
Comparisons are inevitable , people may say that SRK, AAMIR and Salman,but the clear fact is that SRK hasn’t given a single big hit except CE in the last 8 years, and both Aamir and Salman have taken big strides during the same period, the underperformance of SRK get more accentuated by consistent big hits of other 2 khans
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January 31, 2017 at 11:54 AM
Like I said when the movies released, SRK’s ranking would not improve with Raees. He is pretty much stuck at a very distant 3rd position. Hrithik was 4th but after another poor performance, Akshay has moved up. I am not sure what Hrithik wants to do next. He has really taken a beating with his last two films and I don’t see how his next one is not a Krrish movie. As for SRK, he wouldn’t improve that ranking with Imtiaz Ali’s next. He needs an event movie with some holidays thrown in so the Christmas 2018 movie with Anand Rai might be the one. He seems a bit annoyed when asked about Dangal and Sultan’s 300 CR numbers but he also should understand that those questions will continue to come up unless he has that giant no doubt hit under his belt because as of now, the 3 khan kingdom is now down to 2.
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January 31, 2017 at 12:45 PM
maybe srk needs yashraj banner quick and fast,I mean yash chopra was his savior and he is gone,aditya not keen on him and neither kjo,who is left maybe another go with rohit shetty,one thing is for sure the dominance once srk had is truely gone,overseas still worships him but dometic he is ” distant 3rd ”
film initial he still is king but content wise he is a gooner…
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January 31, 2017 at 12:47 PM
Those guys are making some terrible films all on their own. I wouldn’t advise SRK that sort of path! Shetty is a different matter.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:24 PM
Chopra just made Befikre. Sometimes change in sensibilities make the directors older. For example Yash Chopra survived for long time. Subhash Ghai once was biggest film maker; where is he now?
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January 31, 2017 at 11:58 AM
Rocky, I know you can’t wait to book your copy..
https://shop.scroll.in/book/828170/heres-the-cover-of-arundhati-roys-new-novel
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January 31, 2017 at 12:49 PM
Is this fiction or non-fiction? It’s difficult to separate the two in her case most of the times…
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January 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM
fiction.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:26 PM
haha… in hard cover!
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February 1, 2017 at 2:41 PM
Ha … will buy Kjo over this !!
I did buy the Tom Friedman’s book- Thank you for being late ..could not finish it as got busy . It’s a good topic and a good/ easy read though !!
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January 31, 2017 at 12:43 PM
800 comments!
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January 31, 2017 at 12:47 PM
yes, should start another thread. I started this earlier than usual last week, hence all these comments. will do so latest by tomorrow.
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January 31, 2017 at 10:47 PM
“I started this earlier than usual last week, hence all these comments.”
Still it is just 1 week now which is usual time for any boxoffice thread. The comments are really more this time around.
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January 31, 2017 at 2:06 PM
803 Comments. Thread is an All time Blockbuster.
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January 31, 2017 at 2:10 PM
All to do with SRK star power on blogs and content. Not the cinema figures!
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January 31, 2017 at 2:46 PM
Both movies didn’t worked big time at box office but this thread is all time blockbuster. Is this the highest number of comments in any thread?
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January 31, 2017 at 3:00 PM
second probably to the Abhi Aish wedding album!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:14 PM
ha, blog wasn’t around then! But yeah those were the good old days.. all the Guru debates etc!
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January 31, 2017 at 3:13 PM
yes I’ll have to start a new thread soon.. don’t want to become Yashraj with DDLJ and the 1000 weeks!
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January 31, 2017 at 10:53 PM
If you wait exactly till Thu evening to end this week, it’ll surely get to 1000 comments. If you want to cut it short, you can! 🙂
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January 31, 2017 at 11:14 PM
I began the thread last Tue..
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January 31, 2017 at 11:30 PM
Yeah.. I know that.. thats why above I said.. its just 1 week still the comments are more. You can start the new thread of just do it on Thu night.
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January 31, 2017 at 5:33 PM
Kaabil producers have reported 10+ cr for wednesday(first day) and 6+ cr for monday. How is that possible? weekday tickets are slashed to 40%, that means according to producers the occupancy is same for wednesday and monday. This guy Rakesh Roshan is not even smart in cheating. We need a centralized box office reporting system.
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January 31, 2017 at 5:33 PM
this is why he is Sachin Tendulkar:
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/how-chennai-waiter-helped-sachin-tendulkar-improve-his-technique-1654675?pfrom=home-topstories
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January 31, 2017 at 7:54 PM
It seems to me the neutral audience has abandoned SRK and are unwilling to come to see his film unless the reports are outstanding. The general refrain seems to be’TV pe baad mein dekh lenge.’ I think this disillusionment with his films has been happening gradually. Otherwise, what can be the reason his films do not pick after a great initial, while Salman posts such massive numbers with worse films? Aamir made a disastrous film like Dhoom 3 run. SRK has been trying everything to make his presence felt at the BO. HNY and Dilwale were clearly targeted for BO results. He did the more niche stuff in DZ and Fan. Raees is somewhere in between. But the film is still very much in the commercial format, and should have performed well. If you consider, even Dangal has a realistic template and is not explicitly massy at all – as no Aamir movie really is.
I think it then goes down to star power and content. On content, I feel people have not been able to connect with Raees -the character. He’s just not compelling enough in any way. Many actors have played gangsters before but their characters are consistent and well-rounded. Think Pankaj Kapur in Maqbool and Bajpai in Satya. Or Aamir in Earth. They are enigmatic, they do outright evil things, but their bad deeds are offset by an endearing weakness for someone, inspite of the power at their disposal. One was expecting to get that emotion tapped in Raees, but as I said in the review, one just doesn’t a grip on this lead character. The best of films are imperfect and falter esp in the second half, but if a character grows on the audience, and they find something compelling about the person, the film is almost always a hit.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:31 AM
Agree with all except putting Aamir in Earth in the same breath as Pankaj in Maqbool and Manoj in Satya to push a little agenda.
Aamir was the only reason Earth tanked. He was evil i agree but was not charming enough. For me he was too banal and said.
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February 1, 2017 at 1:47 PM
You are also pushing an agenda!
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February 1, 2017 at 2:39 PM
Simply put, I don’t think anyone really remembers Aamir’s Earth performance. This is the new internet thing.. in real life.. no one even remembers that movie or have seen it.
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February 1, 2017 at 3:59 PM
Bit over the top. It’s probably the other way round. I.e. Earth only has recall value because of Aamir’s presence. “Ice candy” performance term was coined and I’m sure some purists would regard it highly as one of his best acting performances & quite chilling.
And yes it’s a true artsy type film, so usually not many takers. Bit like Hey Ram.
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February 1, 2017 at 4:20 PM
““Ice candy” performance term was coined”
LMAO. They didn’t coined that term. The character is named as ‘Ice Candy Man’ in the novel. He’s known by that name. They didn’t create that new term for just the performance.
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February 1, 2017 at 4:26 PM
LMAO…You seem to know a lot about a film and the novel that no one remembers or has seen!
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February 1, 2017 at 5:23 PM
This has got to be the comment of the day !!!
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February 1, 2017 at 6:57 PM
It is very simple. You and I are not the regular audience. We are movie fanatics. For one, I can list our films of Dev Anand, Raj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar on my finger tips but that does not mean that every remember all those movies. Similarly.. to say audience loved Aamir’s performance is assumption statement when the movie is huge disaster( I saw the movie 1st day and it had 8 folks in the hall) and there has never any mention of it even now except Aamir’s performance in elite circles. Regular going movie public won’t even remember that movie or performance. How is that going to be a yardstick for a character where audience really cared?
If you still don’t get my point, you can ignore. No one is questioning Aamir’s performance here but that is for critical acclaim, its not the one where audience loved and rooted and understood him. Its not the case, simple as that.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:01 PM
Unlike Salman and Aamir, I think SRK ‘s looks have deteriorated rapidly. Also, the genre he was strongest is – romance – is not as much in demand, at least not in the same template of a DDLJ and KJO films. Even Johar has been forced to ‘evolve.’ SRK is new to this game which Aamir has perfected since many years. Salman Khan’s success is the mystery here.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM
Salman always had single screen audience. I think with Dabangg multiplex audience also started liking him; and since then he has been on roll. His movies always have good audience friendly songs aligned with his persona. I think with Bajrangi and Sultan, he kind of moved away from Ready and Bodyguard kind of movies and will help in retain the audience trust for longer time.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:40 PM
also if u closely observe – both Sallu/Aamir stay away from extreme crime scenes like rape and gory violence(ok here sallu indulges) – so the movies are more family-friendly….Aamir goes one step further and announces that the film is not meant for children or is for a niche audience (aka Delhi Belly or Dhobi Ghaat)
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January 31, 2017 at 9:55 PM
Above is very true.
In addition Salman’s single best move to increase audience base and change people’s perception of him has been hosting TV shows. Both Dus Ka Dum & now hosting continuous 7th season of Bigg Boss has increased the likability factor many folds. His sparkling character is visible on a one on one basis without media interference/bent. He started to connect with family audience due to clean harmless repartee, spontaneous jokes, impulsive one-liners and his style statement has added to his value. His dressing style on the show is impeccable there and people imitate everything that Salman Khan does. All his hard work and respect for audience is right there for everyone to see – totally unfiltered.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:32 AM
I like what he does in bigg boss..that is the best part of the show.
And you are right, these shows has helped to change the perception about Salman.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:33 AM
Agree more with Livewire and Munna’s assessment here.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:48 AM
And Salman has made peace with the ruling party. All his court cases got thrown out..even the one for manslaughter.. while the ‘anti national’ campaign against SRK is still going on!
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January 31, 2017 at 8:29 PM
The problem with SRK is If i take example of my office.
SRK – Most of the people Hate (not dislike) him. There is none who likes him. Not even Females.
Salman – Most of the people like him. There are few people who dislike him. He is truely Muqadar ka Siqandar.
Aamir – There are few fanatic fan of him but most people respects him. That is why neutral fans go to his movies.
PS – I work with a news channal so it is not a survey from which we could guess common peoples prefrences but still this is reality.
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January 31, 2017 at 8:38 PM
I don’t agree with your SRK characterization at all.. not being as attracted to a star as one might have been once is different from ‘hating’ him. If everyone ‘hated’ him many of his initials are a mystery.
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January 31, 2017 at 9:01 PM
Bob..do you know why they hate him?
Did they like him before and changed recently?
People who hate SRK has been there from long ago, but there used to be those who love him too, in any group. If all of them are on the opposite side, wud like to know why.
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February 1, 2017 at 11:28 AM
Hate is such a strong word and I doubt people reserve such a strong emotion for a movie star. It’s more like change in tastes / preference or better choices available….. However politics surrounding a movie star has now become important to get ‘universal’ acceptance or just make the product first rate….something not to be missed.
May be it’s the business like way of looking at things or sudden jump in wealth or simply a case of midlife crisis where depression, remorse, anxiety has taken over but, I am not convinced with srk state of mind and his choice of films or more importantly ‘the way he does them’ after signing them. We don’t even know if he wants to be in the game the way Akshay, Aamir or Salman are……may be he has lost the drive or just plain superiority complex of having ‘been there and done that’. If one goes by his attitude and famous quotes he had literally put aamir out of circulation in 90s with a famous quote while entering hindi movies – “I’ll destroy Aamir Khan. I’ll take over Aamir. Main jab filmon mein aoonga na, baja doonga sabki”! (Courtesy biography ‘Shah Rukh Can’).
Last but not the least and something which he accepts in all interviews these days that he just got lucky and never deserved all what he achieved and wishes to enjoy whatever he’s been blessed with…. but knowing his aspirational nature it’s hard to accept that esp when he is watching akshay, salman, aamir and even ajay putting in so much heart and getting where they are.
I would still go with – mid-life crisis forcing his psychological upheavals.
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February 1, 2017 at 11:37 AM
http://www.bollywood.com/book-review-shah-rukh-can
Book Review: Shah Rukh Can
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January 31, 2017 at 9:32 PM
Did anyone noticed 2017’s lineup ?? Very limited releases and very few seems notable …. is it because of shutdown of studios ??
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January 31, 2017 at 10:05 PM
I think that is true Yakuza. You hardly hear of Vikas Behl, Motwane and all the kashyap gang now. With studio support all of them had a great opportunity to shoot down the star system of bollywood but the content was so weak and they took the audience for granted by ignoring Indianess in movies and jumping directly to foreign hackneyed plots abd become Woody Allens of India.
I think Shoojit Sarkar with Pink & Piku has showed a way forward so lets see how it goes…..
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January 31, 2017 at 11:02 PM
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January 31, 2017 at 11:05 PM
He’s not some small time distributor but very old and 3rd generation distributor and Multiplex owner. He talks to all stars often. He’s good relations with Roshans and he also turned his back on Kaabil’s collections.
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February 1, 2017 at 7:13 AM
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After flop result of #Raees, SRK has gone out of 3 Khans league n joined Ajay, Akshay, Ranbir, Hrithik n Ranveer singh. Fair enough!
I would put akshay in 3rd position and srk in 4th…or 5th…
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February 1, 2017 at 8:58 AM
Vijay,if u remember our overseas debate of raees,i guess i m revising my prediction from 25 to 17-18 m$ now for raees.it is now falling flat in overseas.it has done only 9.5m$ in 7 days.
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February 1, 2017 at 10:37 AM
yes do remember that, i just never thought that is will tank in overseas,my friends have already watched it…nothing good to say about it..
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January 31, 2017 at 11:09 PM
I read somewhere that SRK pissed off Bhansali with Dilwale but you’ll be surprised to see SRK in Bhansali’s next after Padmavati. Personally I don’t know if its worth to star in Bhansali movies(not a huge fan) but there is 90% of possibility of SRK-Bhansali working together in 2018.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:26 AM
That was given in IMDB list and the heroine is supposed to be Priyanka Chopra. Looks doubtful.
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January 31, 2017 at 11:45 PM
Another reason for the not-so-great collections of both the movies. This has been mentioned a lot in magazines but I didn’t see this on this thread. Ticket rates – In Bombay, for a blockbuster movie – on a “holiday weekend”, ticket rates are 400-600 in areas like South Bombay and Versova. And about 250-350 in other suburbs in national player multiplexes. If a a family of four goes for a movie – with tickets, concessions, parking and travel it is easily an expense of anywhere between 1500-2500 depending on where you see the movie. Now why would anyone want to watch a movie carrying “average” or “ok” reports at those rates? I saw Raees at PVR Andheri on Tuesday after the rates had dropped + Tuesday being Savers Day – even cheaper tickets (110 bucks) and it was completely packed. In fact both the movies were packed in all shows post 630 pm.
But again with normal weekday rates of 180-250, I don’t think they will hold. Add to that – piracy, 1 in 3 people are watching these movies on their mobile phones on the Metro, train etc. No one feels like spending so much on average movies.
People are happy to spend big money once in a while for supposed big movies but once the word of mouth is out, the collections will definitely fall. If the reports are good – like Dangal, people are happy to spend.
Would also like to add that while Raees had a much bigger star and it did give the perception of an “event” film, Kaabil gave the perception of a medium kind of movie. Hence opened lesser to but is carrying marginally better reports so probably holding at lower numbers.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:18 AM
Satyam u may want to have a separate post for budget? today is the big day for India – as budget goes live at 11 am
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February 1, 2017 at 12:24 AM
Kaabil has roughly 70 cr in 7 days (taking average of BOI and producer totals), which is quite poor. It is unlikely to touch 100 cr, but it is also not a washout like Mohenjodaro.
Raees on the other hand has 105 cr in 7 days, and has tanked in the week days. This may not even touch 150 cr by the end of its run.
Both movies are like below average fares and will end their run in 2 weeks. After that Jolly LLB 2 will take over. The second long trailer looks good and hopefully this will also do 100 cr like Airlift, Housefull 2 and Rustom last year.
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February 1, 2017 at 1:02 AM
Raees First Tuesday Business
Wednesday 01 February 2017 11.00 IST
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Raees was low on Tuesday with collections around 5.25 crore nett which takes it first week (seven days) total to 103.50 crore nett. The first week total is good at 103.50 crore nett but the problem is it is not sustaining too well. The extended nine day week will be around 112 crore nett but the second week collections will not be good. Its another Shahrukh Khan film pulling through on star pull with the film itself not being able to hold. Dilwale had a similar fate and although that film could not find appreciattion anywhere this has been liked in some muslim areas but Dilwale had the Christmas period so final business will probably come out to be very similar. The daily first seven day business of Raees is as follows.
Wednesday – 20,25,00,000
Thursday – 26,25,00,000
Friday – 13,00,00,000
Saturday – 15,50,00,000
Sunday – 17,25,00,000
Monday – 6,00,00,000
Tuesday – 5,25,00,000
TOTAL – 103,50,00,000
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February 1, 2017 at 1:03 AM
Kaabil First Tuesday Business
Wednesday 01 February 2017 11.30 IST
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Kaabil (Hindi) continued with low business on Tuesday with a 10% drop from Monday but that is irrelevant at such low levels. The film has grossed a little 61.50 crore nett in its first week (7 days) and will head to around 68 crore nett in its extended nine day first week. The performance of the film is very similar to Shivaay which was involved in the Diwali clash with Ae Dil Hai Mushkil. Shivaay had a higher budget but Kaabil was sold at higher prices than Shivaay to distributors in most circuits of India. If the film had released a couple of weeks earlier and not clashed with Raaes and taken a decent initial it may have covered in most of the circuits but even then eventually its unlikely it would have become a grosser as the appreciation is not there. The first week daily business of Kaabil (Hindi) is as follows.
Wednesday – 8,00,00,000
Thursday – 15,50,00,000
Friday – 7,50,00,000
Saturday – 10,75,00,000
Sunday – 12,25,00,000
Monday – 4,00,00,000
Tuesday – 3,50,00,000
TOTAL – 61,50,00,000
The only thing to be seen now for Kaabil is whether it can start to get better collections than Raees at some point after the first week. It has no chance of catching it as the lead is too big but it may be able to cut the first week lead by a few crore before the end of the run.
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February 1, 2017 at 1:07 AM
http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/hrithik-roshans-kaabil-holds-on-during-weekdays-at-the-box-office/
Kaabil is continuing to hold on during the weekdays. On Tuesday, the film collected 6.10 crore at the Box Office, hence bringing its total to 79.60 crore.
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February 1, 2017 at 1:08 AM
Raees Official Figures: Wed 20.42, Thu 26.30, Fri 13.11, Sat 15.61, Sun 17.80, Mon 8.25, Tue 7.52. Grand Total 109.01 cr.
Raees official figures…Monday and Tuesday are Papa Roshanesque!!!
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February 1, 2017 at 1:11 AM
2 production houses can play the game…HUmare paas bhi calculator hai…What crap…
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February 1, 2017 at 1:18 AM
The total manipulation would be around 1.5 crs on Monday and around 1 on Tuesday…I guess still not at Papa Roshan level
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February 1, 2017 at 1:23 AM
Monday was 6 cr so that would be 2.25 cr on Monday and another 2.25 cr on Tuesday . The difference between BOI and producers are around 5.50 cr .
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February 1, 2017 at 1:26 AM
That was yesterday https://twitter.com/indicine/status/826375034033758209
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February 1, 2017 at 1:28 AM
Monday would be around 6.75…BOI might correct it…But that much difference BOI usually has…even Sundays figure of BOI were around 75 lacs lower….
Today WB will do 1.1 cr for Raees…Its a holiday there and all shows are running close to full…So Wednesday drop might be minimal
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February 1, 2017 at 1:48 AM
No,krish ,manipulation is abt 2.5 cr for mon and 2.25 cr for tuesday.certainly at Roshan’s level.
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February 1, 2017 at 11:54 AM
The problem is that if Raees post BOI collections then everywhere it will look that Kaabil has overtaken Raees as they have higher than 6 daily. Everyone knows still Raees is higher than Kaabil even though it is less difference.
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February 1, 2017 at 12:01 PM
Papa Roshan has gone extra step ahead. He’s sponsoring Bollywood Hungama to show Kaabil Collections as ‘pinned tweet’ 🙂
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February 1, 2017 at 1:09 AM
This action crime thriller raked in 7.52 crores yesterday and now stands with the grand total of 109.01 crores.
http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/srks-raees-enters-100-crore-club-in-7-days-at-the-box-office/
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February 1, 2017 at 1:42 AM
3 sites who usually take producers as gospels have opened up this week in Kaabil. They track their own numbers (exercise caution) and have following
Indicine – yet to post their estimate but have stated it’s in between trade and producers
Addatoday – 73.25 CR for first 7 days vs. 61.5 (BOI) and 79.5 CR (producer)
Bollywood arena – 60.25 CR for first 5 days vs. 54 CR (BOI) vs. 67.46 CR (producer)
Now whatever methods these sites use is as debatable as BOI. They should be ashamed that they’ve conveniently modified their commentary to suit producers but at same time not had guts to come out before on manipulation. BOI as usual should not be excused as they are equally exposed as are producers.
There are probably other figures too. Choose what you want to believe but no point saying one is more truthful or correct than another.
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February 1, 2017 at 3:32 AM
I find it more ironic that likes of TA and KN, have stopped tweets on both films post the extended weekend, unless I have missed their tweets. Even a delayed tweet is a sign of what’s going on.
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February 1, 2017 at 4:47 AM
According to producer total, Raees crossed 100 cr on Monday itself. Bollywood Hungama ran a report on that, but Taran Adarsh did not tweet!
In fact he has stopped tweeting Kaabil numbers for a few days, and now no more Raees number from him.
Most likely that Raees crossed 100 cr by Tuesday, but again there is not much media coverage on this. I guess everyone is sceptical of these numbers now.
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February 1, 2017 at 10:31 AM
The tweets are there guys…Bollywood hungama, Tarans site is tweeting it under their account. You can check it. Kaabils official collection for Tuesday is higher than MOnday by few thousands… 🙂 It is almost showing Dangal like trending 🙂
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February 1, 2017 at 11:43 AM
Yes, like Dangal. But if Papa Roshan saying Kaabil craze reminded him of Kaho Na Pyaar hai craze, this trending is nothing. Lol
http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/love-kaabil-like-kaho-naa-pyaar-hain-says-rakesh-roshan/
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February 1, 2017 at 1:54 AM
Bollywood box office numbers are not gospel truths. Its best to look at the lowest and highest estimates/figures and take the average as approx figure.
Seldom does a movie come where all sources are on the same page. We saw that with Dangal. For the rest, its all ego messaging from producers and biases from other trade sites.
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February 1, 2017 at 2:22 AM
Agree Marcus, keeping an open mind is important. That includes me for BOI too.
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February 1, 2017 at 2:08 AM
marcus wasn’t 3I 202cr nett universal,also ghajini 115cr,also for PK,The same with talaash.guess what is the common factor.
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February 1, 2017 at 3:16 AM
Must agree that there has been no BO ‘fixing’ controversy as far as Aamir movies are concerned, be it Ghajini, 3 Idiots, Talaash, Dhoom 3 or PK.
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February 1, 2017 at 3:22 AM
Watched RAEES…without monetary loss;..have to say..politely disagree with Z and Master’s take as to the supposed ‘rejection’ of this movie based on the religious angle..would love to write something on it..but right now Am-exit is on my mind and am packing stuff…if time permits, will write something on it,,,
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February 1, 2017 at 2:28 PM
Did you even read my review? Here it is: https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/raees-kaabil-the-rest-of-the-box-office/#comment-347456
You are behaving dumber recently. No one is saying movie has been rejected on the religious angle, certainly not me. I kept saying violence will keep away women and kids(SRK’s major audience).
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February 1, 2017 at 3:49 PM
Don’t get personal and insulting.
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February 1, 2017 at 3:52 PM
I do apologize mixing up yours and Z comment but no need to get personal.
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February 1, 2017 at 4:21 PM
Sorry as well from my side. I’m really getting pissed off with some of the other comments and it came in the flow. People are accusing many things easily when I’m not in the picture.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:29 PM
How was the print quality AnJo ?
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February 1, 2017 at 4:01 AM
Akshay Kumar positions himself as a new patriotic star after Manoj Kumar
BySubhash K. Jha
When told about Akshay Kumar taking over the role of ‘Bharat’ that Manoj Kumar played to exceptional success in Upkar, Purab Aur Pachchim, Kranti and Roti Kapada Aur Makaan, Manoj says, “I am glad I am compared with someone as handsome and talented as Akshay. I never intended to be a director in the first place. I became one by default when during Shaheed I had to direct the film unofficially. Then Lal Bahadur Shastri raised the slogan of Jai Jawan Jai Kisan. That’s how I made Upkar.”
Speaking of his patriotic zeal Manoj Kumar says, “I give credit for my success to my parents. My father was a poet philosopher. I came to Mumbai with two targets. One was to be a hero, the other was to make 3 lakh rupees,1 lakh each for my two parents and 1 lakh for my siblings. When I had left home in Delhi in 1956 to come to Mumbai to become a hero my father gave me a letter. In that letter he said, ‘My blood can never commit blunders, only mistakes’. I made mistakes in my career. But not blunders.”
– See more at: http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/features/akshay-kumar-positions-new-patriotic-star-manoj-kumar/#sthash.CYScABxm.dpuf
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February 1, 2017 at 4:16 AM
12.5K Rs.tax relief for salaried ppl like us earning above Rs.5 Lacs pa.though what is the least slab 2.5 or 3 to 5 Lacs is unclear.wld have more relief if it is 3 lacs.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:10 AM
0-2.5 lacs No Tax
2.5 – 5 lacs: 5% tax
5-10 lacs: 20% tax
10 lacs+ : 30%
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February 1, 2017 at 5:16 AM
Naveen,it’s 3-5 Lacs-No tax.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:39 AM
It is no tax upto an annual income of Rs.3 lacs.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:41 AM
http://www.forumkeralam.com/forum/showthread.php/46163-DANGAL-Second-movie-to-cross-WW-collection-of-100-millions-dollars%21/page184?s=87bf4704914acb9d30ea7687410ce8d8
Dangal is at no.10 in all time list of non english WW grossers,PK is at no.9.only 2 indian movies there.Great.
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February 1, 2017 at 7:18 AM
What a BB budget 🙂 Stockmkt on fire 🙂 hope film industry feels the heat of upbeat mood……
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February 1, 2017 at 7:32 AM
No..when I say people hate SRK I mean it. Is it just coincidence that his fall started from 2008. The same year he bought KKR. Before that he was just an actor but after 2008 he is an actor cum business men. Films for him is just projects. The so many controversies. Us airport. Shirish kunder, wankhede, Pak flood relief, batting for Pak player in IPL, intolerance, his on and of Muslim victim card I can go on and on. People are fed of him. And unfortunately for him this is the same period where Aamir and Salman came with good films. Aamir did some social service like for something about drought hit areas, Satyamev jayte and many thing. Salman with his being human NGO but SRK has nothing visible in this front. Because of this while other two Khan’s got respect and audience SRK looses them.
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February 1, 2017 at 7:41 AM
One CE like hit, all these things do not matter. I like him even if he is competitor for aamir.
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February 1, 2017 at 9:07 AM
Sanjana didn’t CE happened in 2013.but what happened even after that.nothing i guess if u r achieving potential in 1 out of 5 films,u r not going to be even recognised for that 1 film,also CE itself was a crap,while ur competitors r achieving their potential in 4 out of 5 or 5 out of 5,even that 1 under performer wouldn’t be recognised.
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February 1, 2017 at 9:26 AM
A person may not get big hits but that is not the issue here. Some feel srk is disliked but it is not so.
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February 1, 2017 at 10:12 AM
😀
Anyways none of this is going to pull him down.. let IPL come, he will be there cheering, Let the Ring release come, he will be there promoting. He has some interesting projects lined up.. And still he can get as big as an initial as anybody out there. Fans haven’t gone anywhere..let him get the film right, the rest of them also will follow!
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February 1, 2017 at 8:02 AM
I doubt if the general audience care so much as to hate any star.
Its just that SRK has now a series of underwhelming films which have been underperforming at BO (if one considers the level at which Aamir and Salman are playing the game).
He was ok till RNBDJ, but since then it has been a landslide of disappointments one way or the other – MNIK, Ra One, Don 2, JYHJ, HNY, Dilwale, Fan, DZ and now Raees.
Only CE had worked really well for him, but that is just one film out of his last ten projects!
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February 1, 2017 at 9:44 AM
at this time last wednesday,the place was ” buzzing ” over-hype with both Raees & Kaabil,we were getting all sorts of numbers & calculations form both parties…within a week both films are making as much as possible…while there is any juice left…people are still in ” Dangal Fever “..
I bet this coming friday dangal collection will beat with these new releases…
If that happens can you imagine srk & papa roshans faces,thinking where we went wrong,next thing both will be ringing amir khan for next film clashing and dates confirming…amir will will put the receiver down..lol
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February 1, 2017 at 10:00 AM
i guess BOI is continuing to underestimate dangal.they said might add 1-2 cr after week5 but dangal did 1.19 cr in sixth weekend and would add abt 0.80 cr in weekdays atleast.so it’s 2 cr in week 6 itself.i guess it cld do 375 cr nett in hindi versions alone.very tough for any movie for atleast 3-4 years.
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February 1, 2017 at 10:12 AM
what Aamir has Dangal with something unprecedented – playing a 60 yrs old hero – he can still give a 385 cr hit – so from 10 yrs now – SRK/Sallu wud surely have retired or gone down but Aamir with script-sense and image might be still around playing lead roles???
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February 1, 2017 at 11:20 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/i-didnt-understand-dear-zindagi-shah-rukh-khan/articleshow/56915764.cms
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February 1, 2017 at 2:45 PM
Kabil ho ya Raees- Sab zor sey bolo Har Har Har Har Har !!!
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February 1, 2017 at 2:46 PM
Shivay the true winner at the SS …
( SS boley toh – Single Screen )
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February 1, 2017 at 2:57 PM
Aside- This Kabil Vs Raees debate reminds me of the rivalry between Prakash Mehra and Manmohan Desai, where – Desai famously remarked-( Bachchan was simultaneously shooting for Sharabi and Mard )
Ek Sharabi -Sharabi bana raha hai and ek Mard- Mard bana raha hai !!!
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February 1, 2017 at 5:24 PM
ha ha – ironically Sharabi turned out to be a much better film than Mard which gave lot of Dard in “head” 😉 Inteha ho gayi…..Big B at his Sharabi-best…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uourFnscU6Q
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February 1, 2017 at 5:31 PM
agree..
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February 1, 2017 at 4:58 PM
I just unapproved some comments. Lets talk about the movies not people.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:03 PM
Fair enough. Damn my first unapproved comment, like 11 years of blogging. Rambling on about numbers etc and Sunny Leone screw’s me.
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February 1, 2017 at 5:19 PM
Munna you should atleast warn people who are using such filthy language as it’s very vital to address the issue rather than just deleting or unapproving the comments. Look at the language Master used with An Jo as well under the guise of irritation & what not, but this excuse should not let the issue unaddressed & be brushed under the carpet! Rules & decency at all cost should be adhered to regardless of who is making them under what circumstances (excuses)!
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February 1, 2017 at 5:29 PM
Master language was not right but I think there was no point in asking people why they were absent. Your conjecture may be true but still it is a personal comment to some degree.
Between Anjo and Master, they settled their matter. I hope it stays that way.
A blog is better served with diverse views. Of course that doesn’t include trivial and abusive comments.
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February 1, 2017 at 6:18 PM
So under this pretext Master can abuse me openly?? Did I say anything derogatory or was there an iota of foul language in my comment to get that kind of abusive response?? I am feeling very bad as this is not the right way to go about it! Let the person who began all this make accountable for his filthy comments rather than just pooh-poohing the issue. At the very least don’t make it look like me as a culprit in all this as your stand makes me feel as if I’m guilty! Be fair & act in a non-partisan manner is the least I expect from you as the administrator. I hope you would act in good faith as Satyam puts good faith in his comments 😉
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February 1, 2017 at 6:31 PM
I have already said Master comment was not right but your follow up comment was equally not right. Both have been unapproved.
I hope you understand, Admins cannot be here 24×7 that as soon as there is an abusive comment, it is deleted. Of course, if abusive comments become pattern, any comments from concerned blogger are put in moderation before it is approved.
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February 1, 2017 at 6:45 PM
So, you commenting always about my absence is fine? Is it anything related to movies? Isn’t that personal? So, if I happen to like SRK does it automatically make an Aamir or Salman hater? what does that prove about you?
I’m just glad you saw my comment and I didn’t get to see your nonsensical reply. Either ways, I learnt last month that this blog is not fair and I’m not expecting it to be fair either. I have been very good for years and there’s hardly any protection when others have openly abused me. I don’t care for your stupid replies and kiddish fight. A person naming himself Aamir is accusing others being fans. LMAO..
Even lets assume there is a die-hard SRK fan and he will visit this blog only on his releases. So, how is that wrong? Why would anyone take out of their busy lives to come and post on other star movies as well? How dare you comment on that too?
Everyone is very clearly aware whole of 2016(and prior films) I have watches every big release of the week and posted my thoughts all through the year. Starting from movies like Wazir, Airlift to big films to small films to even disasters like Mohenjodaro, Mirzya, Akira, Befikre I have watched on big screen and gave my thoughts. Those are my reviews and people have problem with them. No one has anything to say and especially call me names for that. I try to give thoughts before reading reviews and I might be wrong many times. Go and read all boxoffice threads to see my comments. I don’t run away just coz one movie is doing good. I didn’t when Sultan was doing great nor when PK, Dhoom 3 was. I saw Sultan and said, it will do 300 cr and then saw Dangal and said it will do 300 cr and not sure if it’ll cross BB and PK. So, if it crosses that movies, I will leave blog? LMAO.. Does it even makes sense? Also, you are accusing me of being a fan? What movies do you even watch and give your thoughts except Aamir films? *Edited – Munna*
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February 1, 2017 at 8:36 PM
Munna this is making no sense as I had to write what i did after you or Satyam did nothing against the person who began it all as that comment had been there for a long time. After no action from your side, I deliberately responded in the same language & here you just noticed it in a flash & deleted it without any warning to the person who initiated it all!! Is this how you be transparent & fair by making me feel guilty & equating my response with someone who began it all without any provocation! And worse part of all this is the person who did this is feeling so emboldended by your leniency that he is busy justifying the indefensible & commenting as if what he wrote was right & correct & behaving more brashly in his justification. Be fair without taking sides as I was not the 1st person to point out about his absence right after the release of Dangal & sudden popping up around Raees release, Jai Shah had earlier commented about the same & my comment was just about that but it had no foul language. So did I commit a crime by pointing out his absence which gave him the liberty to abuse me?? I’m done with blog as this is not the right way to sort out issues by being a passive intervener despite my repeated attempts to make you understand the gravity of the issue!
It’s my last post regarding the issue & I wish to see this space prosper as I have been here since the inception of this blog & very emotionally attached as I have got to learn inmensely from the members of this blog especially Satyam. But I can’t let my self-respect down by clinging on to something where there is no distinction made between right & wrong & both are treated exactly the same way!! So all the very best to SS & its members.
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February 2, 2017 at 2:04 AM
I don’t think you should leave. I saw your comments and I responded to it and mine got binned too. It’s no big deal.
I did start the holiday thing but did not question his absence but more what he said on his return as to things ‘outside’ the blog were fine, to me that insinuating something as there was deliberately ‘outside’. Possibly and true to an extent the blog was too chatty and maybe Aamir fans took over. The only ones that exist, spare us our brief moments of glory and finger pointing.
Absence is part of life. It’s allowed. Except for Satyam LOL
I left the blog late 2015, no one noticed but I did inform the few I know personally as to what my absence was for. And I’m sure they’d agree it was 100% legit. I’m not suggesting we have a roll call or register… This is not school … Most of us work, holiday & have family lives.
And Master does watch every film, he deserves kudos for that and such members keep the blog ‘live’ and ‘current’.
I take things personally with a few members, but reality is in real life whatever I say here is mostly bullcrap anyway, I would shake their hands in real life and have a coffee.
Even this Naveen fella who is recruiting Akshay Kumar fans. Bicharo as we’d say in Gujarati. In response to his quite funny comments for Aamir and SRK fans I have a simple response, Akshay Kumar united fans in….
Canada!!!
Also his work is improving so are his collections and maybe one year in a decade he’ll make 385 CR not out.
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February 2, 2017 at 2:17 AM
Also people with nice names should never be allowed to leave. Sanjana, Sandy/Sandhya!!!!!! No!!!!! Those are nice baby girl names.
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February 2, 2017 at 2:41 AM
Another point. The handle name – who cares! As long as it’s not insulting or moderator type language. What is so offensive about myselfaamir? Seriously? Have some tolerance!
Also on absence, people calling out absence ( this is someone who did it to me in 2016 ). If you call out absence based on me being absent whilst no Aamir release etc. Don’t be absent yourself while your favourite does not have release too. Don’t be a hypocrite – it was not Master.
Master – what are you Master off? Certainly can’t be predictions!
Munna you are moderating fine IMO, I was saddened my first Sunny Leone comment was too naughty but happy my second Sunny Leone comment hit the spot.
Also I’m leaving if everyone else does too.
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February 2, 2017 at 5:55 AM
As Munna stated earlier we hadn’t seen the relevant comments.. on the rest though hope you’ll continue to be around.. I admire the masala sentiment of the last paragraph but hey this isn’t that big a deal!
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February 1, 2017 at 9:16 PM
Myselfaamir I don’t know if it’s DP or your mellow tone of commenting, but I am never perturbed even when you get tough on me while commenting because – Ammijaan kehti theen jiska imaan dharam clean ho uskee baat ka bura nahin maana karte …so I am bit confused what transpired here in the last few hours.
I hope justice is done to aggrieved parties ASAP. For the sake of clarity all those unapproved comments be made public so members can judge and take a position.
Both parties just remember a quote of Mahatma – Weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
On the rest lets make it filmy 🙂 🙂
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February 1, 2017 at 5:34 PM
Pencho Munna..
Yahan itney saarey Kabil log are trying to make this thread 1,000 jitna Raees , and you are going on a delete rampage !! LOL!!
Aside- Panjabi Pita- My son just uttered half a word..
what was it ?
bhehaan…..
lol
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February 1, 2017 at 6:22 PM
lol…was on India trip for couple of weeks including a day each in Varanasi and Delhi.
There was no excitement about both the movies. There was more Akhilesh-Congress chatter than any thing.
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February 1, 2017 at 6:24 PM
did you get a chance to meet our mutual friend ??
any single screen movie watch ??
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February 1, 2017 at 6:39 PM
There was not enough time in Varanasi.
No interest in any of these movies.
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February 1, 2017 at 6:22 PM
Rahul Dholakia: From Making Indies To Mainstream Hits
http://www.filmcompanion.in/article/interview-rahul-dholakia-from-making-indies-to-mainstream-hits?utm_content=buffer91562&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
There are no scenes that were nasty that we have removed, but we added more Robin Hood-ness. I showed it to my cousins and they asked how does he win the election? You have to show something good that he does or else how will people support him. We had a scene of Raees sponsoring a health camp in the name of his mother and that led to two others scenes. I thought the second one was brilliant. We had to remove it because the film was getting too long. In the second half we added the ladies sewing because we had to justify the fact that they came out to support him during the yatra. The Api Duniya part was always there. I remember Paresh Rawal had told me that his nemesis should be because of his own greed or his own desire to do something.
For example, I wanted to shoot in the interiors of Gujarat but they told me very clearly that you can’t shoot with Shah Rukh on the streets. I said why not, I’ve shot Naseer (Naseeruddin Shah) on the streets and they were like, “This is SRK!” Also because Excel is a big production house, they have certain ways of doing things – so the unit also becomes bigger.
The only thing which became a little more was that we needed to have songs so we tried to fit it into the narrative.
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February 1, 2017 at 9:02 PM
Wonder how Master’s abrasive comments are treated with kidgloves while myselfaamir is getting to bear the brunt for some harmless tit for tat. So srk fans can get away with murder while aamir’s fans have to keep quiet as the former have all the rights to be personal, abrasive and rude.
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February 1, 2017 at 9:05 PM
Let SRK fans rule and I am also saying bye .
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February 1, 2017 at 10:34 PM
Come back soon. Aamir’s next is secret superstar later this year. If time permits Pls do watch Jolly LLB2 and Toilet : Ek Prem Katha which will cheer Aamirsfan, Master and you.
That’s why I like Akshay films. His film unites everyone.
Rest all the stars movies lead to lion fights.
Reason – Live and Let live by Akshay and his fans.
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February 1, 2017 at 11:11 PM
I don’t think Master has said something wrong here. Why to create unnecessary drama?
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February 1, 2017 at 9:27 PM
wow ab ‘aap’ bhi ? aap toh aisey na theyy……
aisa kaunsa gunaah kar diya hai kambakhht srk fans ne
ek forgiveness quote aap ke liye bhi 🙂 🙂 – Always forgive your enemies – nothing annoys them so much.
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February 1, 2017 at 10:45 PM
Satyam – You blog seems to be going NG way.
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