A thought on Bollywood’s #MeToo Moment…


As these sexual harassment scandals (and worse) related to the Indian entertainment industry keep cascading, and even as I am certainly glad that so many people are being named and shamed (and really ought to face criminal prosecution in many cases), I think equally that all these stories do contribute to a pornographic spectacle, which ‘we’ (those nice people on the other side of the screen who always behave ethically in every circumstance..) are quite happy to consume on a daily basis. It would be monstrous to defend that which can only be condemned, that which ought to disgust all of us. But one doesn’t need to sympathize with such people to also accept that this is a culture. Of course many of the pieces accompanying every latest revelation accept as much. Nonetheless the sensationalism of each such story suggests the opposite logic — of the exception. Whether there are 10 stories or a 100 the illusion is created that the rest are perhaps ok as no one has shamed them. A certain luck of the draw then…

Now one could hardly insist that every ‘victim’ speak out against every harasser or attacker or rapist, these are undoubtedly personal decisions that must be respected absolutely. But there is an asymmetry at work here. On the one hand a culture (not that the entertainment industry is the only such but it is one of the very worst in this regard, anywhere in the world) where certain pressures are near universal, where certain kinds of behavior are a ‘given’, even become a norm. On the other the ‘some bad apples’ notion, which is more or less the space all these stories operate in. Even the ‘victims’ who do speak out, courageously or otherwise (for one must try and escape such platitudes..), often do so selectively. They too in many instances do not name and shame everyone with whom they’ve had terrible experiences. One of course cannot argue with people who make these difficult choices but one certainly can reflect on whether such individual decisions (justifiably) merely tease the ‘ogre’ without really disturbing its sleep.

I raise some of these questions not because I wish to interrogate the ‘victims’ (even if this word too makes me a bit uncomfortable for certain reasons that I won’t get into here). Quite the opposite. I wish to interrogate the ‘audience’, the consumers of these daily ‘shockers’, the sanctimonious, naive ‘we’ who never really expected any of this and now with each new story are constantly putting up a new celebrity on the stake (who stayed silent? who did not do anything? etc). ‘We’ who either always act responsibly and morally in our lives and who are always willing to pay a price to uphold such rectitude. The events recounted in the public testimonies speak for themselves (there are some ‘victims’ on the other side as well but the power pendulum always claims ‘innocents’ every which way it swings..) but they are also offered before a court of public opinion and it is necessary not to take the jury-and-judge at face value.

In such a culture (that of ‘Bollywood’ for example) no matter who you are you can’t survive if you have a ‘zero tolerance’ policy. It would be quite impossible to operate in a movie industry with the principle that one would never ever work with anyone who did such reprehensible things in any sense whatsoever. ‘We’ insist on such denunciations but ‘we’ never follow through on the same logic for ourselves. Most of the time we’ve not been tested. Would we resign from our positions if we felt that our bosses were doing such things? I very much doubt it. Even if we were willing to what if we felt that most bosses were that way? Would we leave that line of work altogether? Again it’s very easy to jump on one particular case and take one side or the other but it’s harder to make that larger systemic argument. Ultimately aren’t we also implicated as the audience? Do we stop watching the films of particular actors/directors or whoever when we hear about their stories? In a movie industry you have to make a 100 compromises every single day. There are people who don’t do these sorts of things personally but still work with others who do. How would they last otherwise? Let’s take a poll — how many people are willing to stop watching films if people connected with them indulge in such behavior? Think we all know the answer. And here it’s not adequate to say that we don’t know for a fact what happened in other cases. We don’t of course but unless we’re naive or worse we all know (or ought to know) that the level of sexual exploitation (not just of women) is always at stunningly high levels. And it’s also quite often of the most degrading kind. It’s simply institutionalized in many ways, a fact of life. And things are complicated. The worst kinds of human beings sometimes produce the best artistic works. It’s a paradox of life. But if one is going to feel that strongly about this one should minimally start boycotting the films! This might be a good place to start before we start putting other celebrities on the stake for having remained silent. Or we might want to dust up all the mirrors in our house where evidently we did not see the faces of those who kept showing up for stars who for instance run over people on the sidewalk and are treated as conquering heroes when they pay no real legal price.

It is easy to keep pretending, to keep getting upset at each new sordid episode. One certainly should be. But what of the rest? How would people in the film media survive if they refused to engage with movie industry figures on a daily basis? But they too express shock and sadness later. When the story breaks. One’s heart goes out even moreso to those actors who’ve just discovered some of these awful truths after years spent in the industry. We are all part of this malaise. Those who act monstrously in positions of power.. the record speaks for itself. They don’t deserve the slightest sympathy. And again it is ‘good’ that they are identified. But who really has the right to condemn those who keep operating in such an environment? From the film media to the audience everyone seems compromised. Don’t even many of the ‘victims’ operate in the same ether with many others who do similar things to other people? Don’t the ‘victims’ too remain silent? Even after they’ve attained positions of relative influence where they are less vulnerable?

There is perhaps nothing ‘to do’ here. Those who are identified in certain ways and end up with their careers destroyed, who might even face legal action, undoubtedly deserve it. It is also impossible to police an entire system where such behavior is all too acceptable and even expected. Wherever power is distributed so asymmetrically massive exploitation follows as a matter of course (though we would do well to remember this in other areas of national life as well.. and not only on gender-related issues). And the exploitation has at its service various mutations. When people are powerless before you or at least far less so you can take advantage of them in different ways. You have very many options. Very often you have the complete cooperation of the victim. All of this bears thinking about even if one cannot effectively legislate against it.

I never really buy the innocence of the audience. Much as I don’t subscribe to the innocence of the voter. There are always other people watching bad films, there are always other people choosing bad leaders (or good leaders ‘disappoint’ us after getting elected). ‘We’ remain innocent, naive, unknowing. But we are always very spirited when it comes to enjoying the sordid details of each new harassment story, we are always happy to drag people to the stake, we insist on the most comprehensive denunciations, we refuse to tolerate silence as a response, we too exploit our power (the public figure depends on us one way or the other and can scarcely respond in kind). But we never judge ourselves to be responsible for anything. Why are we watching the films? Why are we supporting the same people in all sorts of ways? Why do our livelihoods depend on writing about them, interviewing them, socializing with them? These are not ‘other’ standards we have to live up to. These are our own. This is not simply a tale of cinema. What of our silence everywhere else in life? We see so much every day, live with it every day, make our peace with it every day, without saying anything… without even registering it beyond a point…

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561 Responses to “A thought on Bollywood’s #MeToo Moment…”

  1. This is a great note.

    Some introspection for sure. At the same time I doubt mass boycott will ever happen. If anything the best note I’ve seen from the film fraternity is Hrithik Roshan’s.

    And beyond anything, innocent till proven guilty counts to some degree though in some of these cases it’s pretty obvious there is a victim.

    I certainly won’t look at Alok Nath in the same way…his ‘a family that eats together stays together’ dialogue always stuck in my mind. Now that’s been replaced by this.

    Generally I trust my own judgement & instinct on people; I have a very close friend whom I will stay friends with even though he is a male chauvinistic pig for my own reasons. He hasnt physically hurt anyone but my doubts via his comments on WhatsApp are always there. I stay wary or cautious, I’ve seen his anger vented at me. Completely boycotting him is an option but it’s not so severe that I couldn’t help in changing certain habits, showing him a different path. A divorced guy, parents left him, drunk, completely anger prone & very male dominant. Will curse when he see’s BBC full of sports articles related to women. He has real anger management issues. Him and his parents pushed his brother into studying so much that the guy tried killing himself. I stand by my friend more because of past fun in university then his moral intentions. Besides he’s so far away he won’t impact my life. Every time he says something stupid I will try to make him see sense. There is only so much one can do if someone is unwilling to change.

    These people who are being named and shamed, those that are guilty need to be caught and dealt with so that it doesn’t happen again.

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  2. Thought provoking thoughts!
    These things are happening all the while. This time it caught the attention because it coincided with the global movement. I did not expect that others will also start coming with their stories in swift succession as if in a choreographed version. Even tanushree would not have expected this development. Most of us who are expressing outrage do also try to be upright in our lives as far as possible. We cant help it if we have to mingle with many who are not on the same wavelength. But we can choose with whom we can bond and with whom to keep some distance. As for celebrities not coming forth, that is also because they are celebrities and media wants to know what their reactions are. They get unimaginable love and adoration and they have to put up with sniggers too. It is all part of the game.
    This too will pass leaving some scars.

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    • I have the very same sense on Hollywood as well. Again great that many people were named. Clearly someone like Weinstein is a total monster. But once more the industry is full of people like him. The problem with such scandals is that people consume it and move on. This doesn’t mean Weinstein shouldn’t have received all the attention he did. But overall in the industry things go on as before. Yes it’s good that to a certain extent many people in positions of power will think a bit more about certain things. I am still supporting all of this. My only point is that we should try and understand the whole issue in less limited ways.

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    • The other thing I’d say here is: how could it be that normal, ordinary, ‘upright’ people suddenly go into movies (or politics or sports or whatever) and become those other kinds of people who then do such things? The only difference is power. Most ordinary people, even those who’ve done extremely well for themselves in non-public walks of life, are still not dealing with the same kind of power and influence (when they do, for example in the corporate world, the same problems follow). And we’ve seen all the examples not just from Hollywood but also from top photographers in the fashion industry to chefs to people leading Philharmonic orchestras to sports coaches and so on. Wherever the power equation is that lopsided certain excesses follow.

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      • A morally upright person will hesitate to enter the industry because he is also aware of its reputation. When he enters due to artistic reasons he or she usually takes some precautions to maintain a certain integrity. But fame and power are such intoxicants that he or she starts to make compromises. This happens in the corporate world as well. It is not all black and white. Some grey areas. It is foolishness to expect celebrities to be perfect beings who should not commit any mistake. This is a delusional world where everyone is corrupt or wrong while self is pure and that impression is created when we start pointing fingers at others. We find excuses for ouselves and for those who are dear to us. Why dont we give the same benefit to others? Some of us do so and some of us see the other side too. But we have our own prejudices and opinions which prevents us to be too careful while pointing fingers or criticising or questioning. We cant be non committal too because we are participating in all sorts of debates.
        It is a bit complex.
        We always have second opinions too when we see the entire picture impassionately which we could not do so when we did react first. We immediately jump. And it is not entirely our fault. The shock value of a news does that to us.

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    • the other important point to be made here is that female emancipation (or even other kinds of social emancipation), with or without globalization, has been accompanied by a disturbing spike in violence against women, even in the West. If anyone has seen or read the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo the author’s self-professed aim in this work (and the trilogy) was to highlight precisely this point. In the original the books have titles like ‘the men who hate women’ and so on. The Trump moment (and similar right-wing ones elsewhere in the world) crystallize this. You have in essence a reaction against women or blacks or what have you, or really the more recently empowered segments of society. The ‘crowd’ that supports such politics is also very happy with this aspect of things. This is why certain kinds of language, attitudes, actions that would hurt other politicians never hurt people like Trump or Berlusconi (even getting caught with a teenager didn’t bother his voters). It’s not that their supporters overlook this, they’re supporting them precisely for this reason. Much as they also like all the race-baiting, the immigrant-baiting and so on. Again perfectly ordinary people who are a huge group of voters. What would they do in positions of power?

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  3. thecooldude Says:

    The only way to fix this issue going forward is for the victims to start naming names right away. I know it’s easier said that done but I don’t see how someone is suppose to defend himself \ herself from an allegation that happened 5 years, 10 years ago, 30 years ago. I believe most of these people who went against guys like Harvey Weinstein or Donald Trump but remember this, once you make an allegation the whole innocent until proven guilty goes out the window. The one being accused may not go to jail but his or her professional life is pretty much over (unless you are Trump!)

    Let’s start with basic in movie industry! If you are going to meet a producer or a director then it’s best to have someone with you…otherwise don’t go! Will you loose work because of this? May be but what’s more important to you? Similarly, a casting director or a producer needs to have people present (or cameras) when meeting an actor or actress or anyone for that matter.

    I really don’t see any other way to deal with something as serious as sexual harassment. This will not bring it down to zero but it will def make an impact. Again, the most important thing is to a) not put yourself in a position where another person has a chance and b) have the courage to bring the issue to someone’s attention as soon as possible.

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    • But here I’m sympathetic. Suppose you want to be an actress and you know most people in the industry are like that. It’s not about losing one film or the other. It’s about what one perceives to be the entire system. You learn this very soon even if you have illusions. You then either stick around and learn to compromise and hope these compromises won’t be too tough (though of course this is often a slippery slope) or you might have to exit that line of work altogether. But that’s a rather stark, and deeply unfair choice.

      The other thing here is that it’s not always about harassment in some obvious way. Certain things are just ‘expected’ in that environment. If you’re working with a star in a movie and he asks you out most actresses much lower down the food chain will not be in a position to refuse. The star might not say anything remotely threatening, might act in a perfectly decent manner, but for the woman in question it gets dicey. She doesn’t know how it will be perceived if she turns him down or how it will hurt her career. Plus there’s often an old boy’s network in these situation where word gets passed around that someone ‘doesn’t want to play’. So even in this mildest of situations the unequal power equation is still a factor. By the way in Hollywood and in many other industries too that are rapidly becoming Hollywoodized a lot of this stuff is believe it or not even legally written into contracts using all kinds of language.

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    • I completely agree with this even though it’s unfair to some extent. Taking precautions & building these into your habits is important. For both male and female. Heck I have to calendarize all the important milestones in my life like anniversaries otherwise I’ll never see light again!

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    • “not put yourself in a position where another person has a chance” I think this is a very tricky or dicey suggestion to make and one that opens a pandora’s box of other issues. This kind of argument should be abolished altogether because it leads to the judgement that a rape victim was simply asking for it, for putting themselves in a position where another person has a chance.

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  4. It popped up on m tl

    “All men are wolves ; gentlemen are patient wolves.”

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  5. I feel there’s a lot of confusion around #MeToo and that it has come to India far too prematurely. I believe it will do more harm than good for the feminist cause and alienate most people. When violent gang rapists of children still garner political support and marital rape is still legal and defended by leading female ministers, what hope can there be for a widespread movement that condemns instances of workplace harassment? I don’t think it’s going to become the powerful cultural force it has become abroad, leading to the prosecutions of major celebrities like Bill Cosby and Weinstein. I certainly can’t imagine Salman being sentenced, for example.

    Here’s my experience on why #MeToo is important for Indian women, for whatever it’s worth. I generally feel out of place at most professional events I attend since I’m one of the very few young(ish) women heading a company in the traditional industry that I work in. Given the conservative Indian social environment, it is hard for me to network and mingle with male executives which is unfortunate because these are social skills that are pretty essential for the success of any entrepreneur. For instance, I was at an industry conference organised by a large company in my field where the facilitator politely but firmly barred me from attending the networking event because it was ‘a men’s drinks party’.

    I’ve had various people advice me to never go to a government office without a chaperone as it invites trouble and not to talk on the phone to my lawyers/ accountants at night even when we’re in the middle of an intense deal and so on (and on and on). As an Indian woman, I face countless restrictions that make my business life difficult only because of the general lack of consequences that men face for their misconduct. This is very much the social reality of India outside of the very small bubble of MNCs, tech startups and media companies in Mumbai/ Delhi/ Bangalore (and perhaps even within that bubble, albeit to a lesser degree).

    Another time, I was at a conference where the chief guest was one of India’s most famous financiers. I was hopeful of a more open environment since this was in a big city and there were people from many industries in attendance and not just from the more traditional sector of the economy that I work in. Alas, the chief guest was very boorish, constantly comparing women to the stock market using crude, overtly sexual analogies. The sexual, physically judgemental tone of his speech at this event and the enthusiastic laughter from the mostly male audience that greeted his sexist jokes made me feel incredibly awkward and self conscious. I was once again unable to network in a confident way and create helpful connections in the industry.

    I would be very hesitant to speak out on social media against a powerful man in my industry because I don’t have the wherewithal to deal with the bad blood it will create, the professional and personal consequences I could face and the character assassination that will undoubtedly follow. And I feel this from a position of relative financial and professional privilege so I can only imagine how afraid less fortunate women are and how rare a false accusation is. When powerful men can get away with appropriating billions of dollars of national resources and destroying our natural environment, for example, what chance do you think there is for them to be arrested for assaulting a female labourer, a junior artist/ dancer, or an upcoming journalist much less be jailed for a vague false accusation?

    I used to work at an investment bank in another country and although it was a male-dominated ‘boys club’ sort of environment, if a high-profile financier made such inappropriate comments the media attention and reprimands that followed would have been swift and certain. Over the past decade there has been a lot of soul searching abroad and dramatic reformation in terms of what is considered acceptable and what is sexist, particularly at the workplace. But here in India it is still possible for major public figures (from this stockbroker to Salman) to get away with everything from blatantly sexist comments to outright assault and I really hope it begins to change.

    The same goes for university campuses. I am thinking of all the sexual harassmentI workshops and the helplines/ tribunals/ sexual safety and health officers that were present on the campuses I studied in abroad and how the Indian colleges that my friends studied at instead dealt with the issue by locking women in their hostels with absurdly early curfews and restrictive rules. For instance, the conduct of officials in BHU last year regarding sexual harassment on campus truly staggers belief.

    It’s time we started holding the perpetrators who make workplaces/ educational institutions/ public spaces so unsafe for Indian women accountable instead of restricting and shaming women who venture into these spaces expecting to enjoy the basic human rights of dignity and safety. I don’t think it needs to result in rape being trivialised or sexual harassment being punished with the same severity as rape. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that sexist behaviour in the workplace/ at universities and rape are both wrong, but on totally different scales and in very different ways?

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    • Thanks for this excellent, important comment Vee. wish there were such pieces in the media instead of the superficial stuff we usually see. Here I’d add something a bit provocatively as well. Much as with gay rights the whole #metoo movement in India has an element of faddishness to it. Of course it is good on balance that this has happened, for many of the reasons you’ve mentioned. At the same time, also for some of the reasons you’ve pointed out, gender issues in India run much deeper and with far more profound consequences for many women. This just in the metropolitan centers let alone elsewhere. Similarly with gay rights I’m all for it but if you asked me to list the top 20 Indian problems in this context I doubt gay rights would make it. Not because the latter isn’t serious enough but that those others are even more so. There’s a certain colonization of the imagination on display when even when dealing with these otherwise important issues we follow Western templates or those that have already become ‘cool’ in this sense. I wouldn’t mind all this as much if I felt that several problems along the same lines were drawing proportionate attention. But this never really happens. If I’m going to be totally blunt about it gay rights or #metoo while undoubtedly deserving of attention are also boutique human rights for ‘New Indians’. Again I don’t want to be misunderstood. It’s still good that they’re getting this attention. But it is questionable whether a society that does not have a greater and overall commitment to rights of all kinds can really advance even specific ones this way. At least outside the confines of multiplex India. This isn’t ‘nothing’ for sure but it is too little. Finally, all this doesn’t mean that there are no struggles left to be fought in the West. The #metoo movement originated in the latter for a reason.

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      • Ravish Kumar on #metoo:

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      • I’d add that one REASON for taking up these (in themselves worthy) causes is that in the class/caste/political debates of the day, they are seen as apolitical, at least where urban middle classes and elites are concerned (not that there isn’t tons of homophobia, but to admit to it is seen as a sign of backwardness). It’s like the AnnaHazare movement: hey who wouldn’t be against corruption? But where causes like treatment of Dalits, minorities, adivasis are concerned, no one (pro- or anti-) can really delude themselves (although many try!) that something political is involved (now, to treat certain questions of basic justice as political is itself kinda atrocious, but it is what it is); and frankly many urban Indians don’t like to do politics EXCEPT by covert means (“development”, “anti-corruption”)… [Simultaneously it also gives many in urban India a chance to look down at some imagines other who is “backward” and votes mindlessly on grounds of caste, religion etc.]

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      • reproduced a modified version of the above comment elsewhere and added the following:

        Yes people should ‘see’ and respond to issues of sexual harassment (and worse) but I think it goes without saying that ‘we’ have developed ‘not seeing’ into an art form. Not ‘seeing’ anything around us…or pretending not to ‘see’.. which is even worse.. Violence of all kinds is also enabled by ignorance, willful or otherwise..

        Yes women are harassed/attacked because they are women, the same for gays.. but one could also say this for all kinds of lower castes, religious minorities, ethnicities, one could say it for people who are very poor.. the most vulnerable are always exploited most..

        We cannot be the greatest champions of justice in one area (though of course I’d want all the harassment of women to stop right now even if nothing else on that list happened) if we are so blind in every other sense.. this is not just about principle.. it is a pragmatic claim..

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    • Great comment Vee. I agree 100 percent.

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    • Moving, thoughtful comment here Vee, much to ponder…

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  6. https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/have-heard-alok-nath-gets-crazy-when-he-drinks-says-vinta-nandas-tara-actor-deven-bhojani-1929611?pfrom=home-lateststories

    “About Alok ji, I haven’t worked with him often. But yes, I have heard about it vaguely that he is a nice person during the day but after evening, when he drinks, he gets crazy. He abuses, he gets into fights and does all sorts of things that a normal Alok ji would never even think of. So this is the image, these are the stories I have heard. I don’t know how much truth lies in these stories,” Deven Bhojani added. Mr Nath has made his name by playing the ‘sanskaari bapuji’ in many of Barjatya family dramas and other TV shows.

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  7. When we asked that why A-listers are not opening up, Imran concluded saying, “I know why people are not coming out. Even now, I am not naming because the names are too big and no one will trust me without evidence. I cannot imagine how it will be for all those women who have been a victim.”

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/imran-khan-on-me-too-movement-bollywood-vikas-bahl-5394015/

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    • This whole thing only works in a system where ‘talking’ and ‘speaking up’ is encouraged. In India it’s the opposite, people go after you if you do so. Imran Khan will get mauled for this as he’s let it happen…just like practically everyone in the industry. It’s obvious it’s part of the job description even from this interview. Everyone is staying quiet for personal reasons.

      Who is showing courage here? The victim for sure. But I’ll be damned for keep on saying this – fight for it in court even if it takes 10 years it will be much more use than this way.

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  8. Who is who.

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  9. Vikas Bahl threatens to file defamation case against Anurag Kashyap and Vikramaditya Motwane
    Vikas Bahl has accused Anurag Kashyap and Vikramaditya Motwane of maligning his image by giving statements against him on social media. In the notices, he has asked for an “unconditional apology and to withdraw messages from social media”.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/vikas-bahl-legal-notice-anurag-kashyap-vikramaditya-motwane-5394942/

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  10. Anurag Kashyap Steps Down As MAMI’s Board Member, Lets His Heart Out Through A Series Of Tweets!
    Anurag Kashyap took to his twitter to share multiple tweets keeping his side of the story.

    https://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/anurag-kashyap-steps-down-as-mamis-board-member-lets-his-heart-out-through-a-series-of-tweets/

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  11. http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/exclusive-vikas-bahls-name-deleted-credits-hrithik-roshan-starrer-super-30/

    “There is too much stake, too many careers including Hrithik Roshan. Phantom and Reliance Entertainment are the joint producers, so Phantom alone cannot take a call. Super 30 is not just about Vikas Bahl. They can’t demolish a dream just because one of the components has gone bad. They will instead amputate the bad part. Yes, they are going to delete his name from the credits of Super 30.”

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    • You cannot take away the name of person who has contributed. You have to do shooting from scratch. Inspite of allegations, I think it is unfair to Vikas that his name is removed, if his work persists in movie.

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      • agree. It is a bit complicated. Can they do it for Queen? Can they take away his awards?

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      • agree.. and it’s silly too.. he might be a monster but he’s still directed the film! I guess the problem they’re facing is that it’s already a smaller less commercial subject, they now don’t want previews with Vikar Bahl blaring on them! A tough situation but I still don’t support scratching his name off.

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        • Agreed — this kind of airbrushing of history leaves me queasy.

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          • This is reality. In the West, Nike have $1bn at stake with Ronaldo. In India, not getting credit for Hrithik film is like a blessing in disguise. Jokes aside money and reputation is on the line. The collateral damage attached to be seen or heard with a sexual harasser is huge. This is a huge problem with every allegation whether true or false. Having credits taken away is the least of his worries.

            10% off Juventus stock value was probably €100mm? But him signing doubled the stock value. The collateral damage is huge for companies that associate with the accused. Not just financial risk but reputational risk. This is only the beginning. And Vikas is yet to be convicted…or Ronaldo. People get scared and I think this was bound to happen. Right or wrong? I don’t think anyone cares right now.

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          • Re: “In India, not getting credit for Hrithik film is like a blessing in disguise.”

            Might be the best cheap shot in Satyamshot history!

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          • Say they take bahl’s name out of credits, so who gets director’s credit? Hritik? Maybe the reason behind his public post.

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          • SUPER 30
            directed by PHANTOM

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          • Reminds me of the old Stalinist maneuver: when someone fell from favor (and was shot!) they would go back and even change old official photos to make the guy “disappear”! In less drastic ways we have the re-writing of textbooks in our era when giants of the national movement are reduced to footnotes, and much less important people (e.g. the cult of Bose indulged in by both the CPIM and the BJP, to take two examples from opposite ends of the political spectrum) getting the lion’s share (note: I do not comment on the man per se, merely on the nature of the achievment). In the context of #MeToo, this is NOT a road that progressives should be going down — it is not a progressive road.

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      • “You cannot take away the name of person who has contributed.”

        Why not? This will not be the first time. I’ve seen it happening multiple times. For example Jung movie, there was huge fight between Producer (Satish Tandon) and director (Sanjay Gupta). Producer released the movie without any director name.

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        • You are right. As long as someone will not take that place in the credits.

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          • No massive issue with credit taken away. It’s not like his manhood is being stripped away. He’s got bigger problems or should have if guilty. Happens in sports all the time, people are stripped of achievements if found guilty in certain circumstances.

            If he’s walking free right now, without punishment this is one way of hurting him. Of course if he’s guilty.

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  12. Throwing the baby with the bath water!

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  13. On the ‘fad’ point. Let’s make it blunt…this movement is mainly for the elite and Bollywood celebrities have statuses far more closer to their counterparts in Hollywood both financially and status wise. The poorer classes and middle classes where these pathetic acts are more likely to be happening have less visibility or power or funds or clout in India Vis a vis their Western counterparts, their voices will never be heard.

    The elite of Bollywood is far more in tune with the West than the masses in India. Average Joe Blogs may as well forget about a #metoo movement, the next meal is more important. In the UK, the equivalent person can rely on social services and welfare to help this and more % of people have avenues accessible to speak up via. A Billion plus people – this movement is chaos but I guess you have to start somewhere.

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  14. https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/sandhya-mridul-alok-nath-harassment-5395426/

    But this is not where it all ended. Alok Nath continued making incessant calls to Sandhya and after returning to Bombay told people that she was a difficult and an arrogant person to work with. Sandhya, last seen in TV show P.O.W. Bandi Yuddh Ke, further wrote, “Mr Alok Nath I will never forgive you for what you did with Vinta. I stand by you Vinta. What I went through is nothing compared to you. I’m so sorry. More power to you. Your time’s up sir.”

    The Saathiya actor also admired Tanushree Dutta for starting the MeToo movement and expressed her happiness over women getting a platform to share their stories. She wrote, “We have a voice finally. I stand with Tanushree, Vinta and every woman who has been through this and will follow suit and break her silence.” Sandhya also urged women to not be ashamed, scared and not to bury their stories.

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    • Out of topic, Sandhya Mridual is one my fav actors, not in terms of talent, but just to watch on screen. Very nicely written and on path to end Alok Nath’s career.

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    • “But until I don’t feel safe and secure, I won’t point fingers. They know exactly who they are and what they have done. What I will say for now is that they better stop their discriminating ways because there’s definitely a wave of change coming and their status won’t be enough to protect them from Karma,” she added.

      Citing an incident, Amyra said: “I have had an actor squeeze himself up against me during a shot in a song and whisper in my ear that he was so glad that I was in the film with him. When I threw him off me and refused to speak to him again, he made my experience miserable.

      “My director told me to suck it up and honestly couldn’t care less. I was constantly called early to set, made to wait for hours and hours for my shot. I was made to shoot 18 hours a day, I slept for 4-5 hours if I was lucky.”

      The actress, who started her career at the age of 16 as a model, says ultimately she was made to apologise to the actor.

      “To top it all, I was made to apologise to the actor for my difficult behaviour (as I kept ignoring him) by the producer,” she said.

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  16. Why I again think Tanushree is wrong about Nana, watch this video. Nana is such crude and asocial person that anyone directly coming from glamour and fashion world will be taken aback. I don’t think Tanushree can comprehend Nana’s complex character on a day or two. She is surely misunderstood. What all she’s saying is true about so many folks in industry and she just picked wrong person here. Even Ganesh Acharya makes sense but she’s stuck on Nana. She’s talking about him in various interviews like cheapster who got scared and called MNS goons and now hiding behind lawyers. that is so wrong IMO. She’s just calling on the wrong tree!

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    • Re: “I don’t think Tanushree can comprehend Nana’s complex character on a day or two.”

      Dude, no offense, but isn’t it a bit presumptuous to say that we fans can understand someone’s complex character (when we don’t know the individual personally) but someone who has spent a fair amount of time actually working with that person doesn’t understand his complex personality?

      [I say this as someone who has grave reservations about Tanushree’s criticisms of the likes of Twinkle Khanna or Priyanka C on this issue.]

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      • “but someone who has spent a fair amount of time actually working with that person doesn’t understand his complex personality?”

        Are you following the case? Do you know how long she shot with Nana? Just few hours. All Tanushree did for that movie was shoot 2 days. First day was all by herself (when she thought she was doing solo dance) and 2nd day Nana joined and he rehearsed few steps and 3rd day morning she alleged Nana touched her and she went and locked herself in the vanity van and all that ruckus happened.

        So, even if Nana touched her inappropriately in rehearsal, will that 1 action will create a monster? Can that not be accident without Nana ever realizing that he touched her? Even normal stars will look odd if you meet them first time. Even Salman khan is rude and all that but as you know him, you get used to his personality. I don’t believe Tanushree really got Nana’s personality in those few hours of shoot.

        Btw, I’m not following anyone based on any generic articles and I follow actors/stars very deeply and I can easily make out that Nana is not that kind of person to touched some girl infront of 100 people and think he enjoyed his day and go back home happy. That’s not his motivation in life or work. Simple as that.

        I’m very sure on Vikas Bahl and Alok Nath but not on this Nana issue.

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      • Subhash Ghai’s Devaa with Bachchan also should have been made, but it isn’t a loss on the magnitude of Bandhua.

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  17. It is more about sending goons and intimidating tactics.
    And if tanu is new then it is all the makes sense that she reacted that way to that touching.
    Why cant he understand that as an experienced actor?

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    • all the more makes sense.

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    • ” Why cant he understand that as an experienced actor?”

      Probably that Nana never realized he touched it.

      You are stuck on goons.. that’s different issue and should not be combined IMO. The producers tried to intimidate her to complete the shoot as she wasted 2 days of expense down the drain. If you back down after shooting and you need to be replaced, it cost lot of money for a small budgeted movie. That is not sexual harassment and different issue. Obviously its wrong that they tried to intimidate her but do you think they are so civilized that they will go to producers association and file a paper complaint after weeks when lakhs are going down the drain infront of their eyes.

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      • We are going in circles. Let us agree to disagree on some points. My own take is that tanu being a Miss world should not have accepted such B grade films. Item dancing girls galore and they found one immediately! Tanu is not such a big star that they will lose lakhs.
        I think Mallika Sarabhai also did not pursue film career for these reasons. She was asked to do certain dance moves with which she was not comfortable.

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  18. Bollywood celebrities Alok Nath, Nana Patekar and Vikas Bahl will face a boycott from more than five lakh members of the Federation of Western Cine India Employees (FWCIE) if they don’t respond to the film body’s show-cause notice within 10 days of their release, the organisation today said.

    FWICE chief advisor Ashoke Pandit and other core members made the announcement at a press conference held at the Film Federation office.

    After Patekar and Bahl, Nath is the latest celebrity to have been sent the show-cause notice following multiple allegations against him, including of sexual assault and harassment.

    “We want to create a fear psychosis so that no one even dares to think about misusing his or her power. At the same time, we want to listen to the other party as well. So, we will give them time to respond. If they fail to respond, our workers will not work with them,” Pandit told mediapersons.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/nana-patekar-vikas-bahl-alok-nath-fwcie-show-cause-notice-5395653/

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  19. 🙂 🙂

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  20. Vir Saghvi next?

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  21. Nana Patekar is an industry veteran and a living legend of Indian cinema. To imagine him indulging in molestation and eve teasing is highly improbable, especially since thus far he’s had a more or less clean image barring the hot headedness and short temper (which might well have been misinterpreted by Miss Dutta). That being said however, we must wait for the eventual outcome before passing judgement or taking sides in this particular case. I cannot help but smell political vendetta in this scenario, especially Nana being the outspoken activist he is.

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  22. IdeaUnique Says:

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      they have decided to step away from a film…..which film they are talking about? is it Mogul? or which one???

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      • Mogul Shubash Kapoor. Marcus posted something earlier on this.

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        • IdeaUnique Says:

          oh ok – so i m sure including me, many are relieved that aamir is not doing that film – as it never carried any good vibes from the outset….also Osho will be a tricky subject now….

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        • Honestly, even as a concept (referring to Moghul), I feel once one is done with the brilliant Nadeem-Shravan take-down in Akele Hum Akele Tum, not much else I am interested in where the likes of Gulshan Kumar are concerned. i.e. the moral and creative bankruptcy of the industry was well-captured there (not to mention there is some equally telling irony here: Akele Hum Akele Tum was itself a rip-off, and most of all the music for that film was by Anu Malik, who, like Nadeem-Shravan, ripped off very many Pakistani and Western songs, and himself epitomizes smug self-satisfaction and mediocrity) — the whole “chehra gulaaabi” sequence was just superb; Inamdar was such a good actor.

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          • Yes, that is very much true. I had next to zero interest in 90s music even then. Apart from a splendid 1942: A Love Story, I would not revisit most of the songs. Apart from Rahman, of course.

            The tide has turned for me, music wise, this last decade, ever since the talented Mr. Trivedi came on scene. I do now realize why people compare him with Rahman, even though they are quite different in terms of their overall musical structure. They both make complex harmonies and rely on heavy instrumentation (Rahman relies more on classical ragas in his compositions and his beats are overwhelming most of the times) separating them from musicians who rely on composing simple melodies.

            Simple melodies worked for the older generation of music directors as they are easy to track and record (by the mind) and even easier to hum (there is quite a bit of resistance to Rahman’s music by people who love melodies). Simplicity is literally the biggest virtue here. When it becomes more complex, in terms of instrumentation, it starts to alienate the traditional music fans. But for those who are attuned to to different sounds, it becomes a more rewarding experience. I would also like to add that Amit Trivedi was a lot more experimental (in terms of synthesis) during the Dev D days than he is now, which is both good and bad. It has made his music much more accessible while losing some of its initial edge. His initial fans are probably not that happy but since I became a late convert, I am more than fine with this change.

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          • This year, he has had the smash hit Aaj Se Teri from Pad Man, a nice traditional melody.

            Two songs from Bhavesh Joshi (Tafreeh & Qasam Kha Li) which are both brilliant compositiongs, the entire (well, almost) soundtrack of Manmarziyan and also Andhadhun. The last one has some very fine piano chords interspersed with his traditional instrumentation. Naina Da Kya Kasoor is such a soothing song!

            Bragging rights to anyone who can answer which old Hindi song does Naina Da Kya Kasoor resemble! Let’s see who’s the real Hindi music fan out here 🙂

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          • This conversation doesn’t belong here. Didn’t notice before I hit the reply button.

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          • Can you please put above comments in relevant thread so that they can be deleted here?

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  23. FB link no getting posted ?

    aamir put FB statement on some movie, Mogul? walking out.

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  24. MOGHUL NOT HAPPENING WITH AAMIR.

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    • RESPECT ✊!

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      • How to get out of movie and earn respect in process.
        🙂

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        • Its all about timing, aamir is learning from kangana.

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          • It certainly shows the effects of the recent controversies. The Subhash Kapoor case was brought up more than 4 years back. Since then he has worked with Akshay Kumar and was about to start working with Aamir Khan.

            The fact is that neither of these top stars would have had any problem working with Subhash Kapoor until the recent controversies and start of the Me Too movement.

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          • Anyone can throw an allegation around. It’s only when it’s formalised that people will start to stop working or consider options.

            Nike haven’t ended their contract with Ronaldo based on allegations. In fact he’ll get a lot of benefit of doubt till later on. He’s saying the documents are fabricated hence fighting back. So until he gets to court and if the tables turn against him then only Nike etc would do something.

            I actually feel more sorry for Hrithik here. Aamir’s decision was expected (I certainly did), with Hrithik he’s in a totally prickly spot. I believe Super 30 film shooting is over. So he’s invested massively into the film, he can’t boycott it now. And his career is not going well either. He needs to look after his health etc. His decisions have to take into consideration his own state to some degree. Aamir’s flying so leaving a film before it’s started is a no brainer.

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          • Yet to see a big guy getting named and shamed. Its always easy for employees to go after front-line managers and let the big shots revel in peace. Saves everone a lot of ‘trouble’. So much for this ‘movement’.

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          • The biggest obvious name is Salman Khan.

            Naming and shaming him will end the movement… he’ll get sympathy.

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          • Ha! Isnt he a sanskari celibate who does only charity in his loads of free time?

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  25. I hope Aamir does something completely different from Osho and Gulshan Kumar biopics.

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  26. So, looks like Alok Nath turned out to be the Harvey Weinstein of Bollywood. We have 4th person complaining about Alok Nath. Same with Vikas Bahl. On the other hand, Nana should not be even in same discussion(in various news channels) as his allegation is not serious enough and there is not a 2nd person coming forward complaining about him being womanizer.

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  27. IdeaUnique Says:

    Meanwhile, US stock mkt crashed – SP down by 2.25 % !!! bloodbath

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  28. Jitendra’s cousin sister had come out few months ago that he had raped her while she visited his sets or he took her to sets back in the day. The story was quickly muzzled. She should come back out now….

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  29. At the end of it there will not be anyone left. Everyone is either actual perpetrator or enabler by keeping quiet. I think the latter is also equally culpable. They are ok with it quoting excuses. Now the filmfare and other awards should have another category for these 2 also.
    Do we have to throw out the baby with the bathwater? Yes, if it becomes too toxic like smoking.

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  30. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/metoo-campaign-filmmaker-accuses-suhel-seth-of-sexual-assault-5396544/

    Celebrity consultant Suhel Seth is the latest name on the growing list of men who stand accused of sexual harassment by women in the #MeToo movement sweeping Indian media, film and entertainment. At least four women, including one who said she was a minor at the time of the alleged incident, have accused Seth, 55, of sexual harassment — two of them have made specific allegations of sexual assault.

    On Wednesday afternoon, filmmaker Natashja Rathore, 27, posted screenshots of a WhatsApp message she sent to Seth this week recounting an alleged incident that took place “some time last year at his condo in Gurgaon”.

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  31. Donald Trump mocks rules of #MeToo movement
    “There’s an expression, but under the rules of #MeToo, I am not allowed to use that expression anymore. I can’t do it,” Trump said at a mid-term election rally in Pennsylvania, and then he pointed at the phrase “the girl that got away”.

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  32. FIR filed against Nana Patekar in sexual harassment case on Wednesday in Mumbai

    MUMBAI: A case was registered against Bollywood actor Nana Patekar, late on Wednesday night, over allegations of sexual harassment made by Tanushree Dutta, his costar in a 2008 film. Ms Dutta filed the First Information Report (FIR) against Mr Patekar at Mumbai’s Oshiwara Police Station.
    Besides Mr Patekar, FIRs have also been lodged against director Rakesh Sarang, producer Sami Siddiqui and choreographer Ganesh Acharya, who were part of the 2008 film.

    “We have registered a case against Mr Patekar and others under section 354 (Assault or criminal force to woman with intent to outrage her modesty) and 509 (Word, gesture or act intended to insult the modesty of a woman) of IPC,” Additional Commissioner of Police, Manoj Kumar Sharma told news agency PTI.

    “As of now no arrests have been made and we are investigating the case and inquiries are on,” said Mr Sharma.

    Ms Dutta’s lawyer Nitin Satpute accompanied her to the police station, where she recorded her statement. “The statement of Tanushree Dutta has been recorded in English so that she can understand the language. They were writing the statement in Marathi. However, we requested them to write it in English so that what happened 10 years ago would not happen again.” Mr Satpute told news agency ANI.

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/metoo-movement-tanushree-dutta-files-firs-against-nana-patekar-and-3-others-over-sexual-harassment-1930189?pfrom=home-topstories

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  33. It seems that the film industry has got together and decided on whom to make a scapegoat to protect thier own interests. As someone said, will they have the guts to ban Salman or Sanjay Dutt? Will Colors remove Salman from Big Boss?
    Both have been convicted and of crimes which are equally heinous.
    It is disingenous of everyone now to take the high moral ground . Alok Nath, Vikas Bahl, Subhash Kapoor are all small fry and hence dispensable??
    No wonder they all went into a huddle and were figuring out the way forward which is to sacrifice small fry to protect larger ones
    Hirani must be thanking his stars that Sanju released few months ago

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    • Aloknath, Vikas Behl, Subhash Kapoor are not exactly small fry.

      Do you want that these should not be named just because big fish have not been named? Have they not made women’s lives miserable? A catch is a catch. A person who takes 10k as bribe is punished and he cannot quote Vijay Mallya or Nirav Modi and escape. Atleast the lower levels will be cleaned to some extent. Otherwise spotboys will also start harassing women.

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    • What sexual harassment has Sanju been accused of? He is a womanizer, and as far as we can tell many women over the years (such as Madhuri Dixit) were quite happy to be in relationships with him (she, understandably, dumped him the moment he got into trouble with the law, and famously never visited him in jail), but where is the harassment? I do not think — unless there is more information — we can target Sanju under the guise of #MeToo just because his life does not conform to how we think it ought to have been led.

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      • Agree. Was going to say the same earlier but forgot, as I was thinking did I miss something on Dutt. He is just sleeping around with anything that moves and that choice is also that of the woman in question. It takes 2 to tango!

        Ps. I know plenty of women like this too, not forced into it but perfectly fine with it to play the field so to speak.

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        • We should not reinforce sexism in the guise of “standing up for women”: Madhuri had well-publicized affairs with Subhash Ghai, Anil Kapoor, Sanjay Dutt — but somehow Sanjay Dutt is the monster here? No question, Sanjay Dutt benefits from the structure of male privilege that every other male actor of some power and fame benefits from in the industry, but her role is not that of the powerless victim ( I feel that should be acknowledged, even as one acknowledges that she wasn’t — perhaps vis-a-vis Ghai — operating from the same position of power as a guy like Ghai was). Stated differently, as a culture we have to be able to stand up for women without reflexively standing up for a narrow view of bourgeois values, and while acknowledging the unequal playing field….

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          • The only note of caution I’d introduce here is that there might be some grey area in some of these situations. The one with Ghai for example. Now it’s of course true that Madhuri always spoke about Ghai with affection, the same was more or less true for Anil Kapoor or Dutt (though she was the most reserved in this case). I’d also disagree these were well-publicized affairs in the sense that there was never an admission on Madhuri’s part. Somehow the Dutt one always seemed somewhat genuine (again Madhuri was most reticent in this case whereas with the other two she’d say they were friends or mentors or whatever). The Anil Kapoor one on the other hand seemed like the usual hazards of the business. The same moreso with Ghai. The point I’m trying to make is that this might be more about Madhuri always being ‘sunny’ about everything. She might still have liked Ghai but that’s a somewhat different discussion. I don’t of course disagree with the point you’re making. And I especially agree on Dutt (at least based on what we know).

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          • Yes, and my point about the unequal terrain was intended to get at the very point you are making. I guess I am trying to steer between the (unthinking, dimwitted) liberal valorization of “free choice”, and the idea that “women are victims who merely offer sex to predatory men”, perhaps not very successfully. It is difficult to walk that line amidst these charged public debates, fueled by sweeping statements…

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          • Some of this is in dangerous territory. This is not a battle of the sexes. It’s about ridding gender inequality period.

            Some things I’ve felt agnostic too – equal pay in tennis for example. I lean much more towards not having equal pay here for so many reasons but it’s trivial really whether a winner gets £1mm or £1.2mm.

            How much does life change with £200k more? When you already have millions! And men play 5 sets, alternate days. Women 3 sets, alternate days. Recovery time less for men, chances of injury more. But overall I’m agnostic to it. It’s a silly debate in the grander scheme of world problems. The boardroom needs fixing. CEO’s of public companies get paid way too much. This is a real problem. The inequality in pay for women Vs men is unfair. Men have always got paid more unfairly.

            These sexual abuse/rape cases are awful. The perpetrators need to be convicted and watch videos on how to treat people in general as punishment in jail.

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          • Is this some joke?

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          • It is a joke, in the sense that THIS GUY means it.

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          • This is silly obviously. Honestly speaking, more women need to be involved in these decisions. You cannot have a rotten apple running an educational institution after all this noise. This is a poor example of leadership.

            I’ve no knowledge of Indian political landscape, I frankly don’t care who is in charge. But whomever makes such decisions is not seeing the forest from the trees. Why attract unnecessary attention to an already sensitive topic in the country.

            He might have the credentials but it’s critical you set a certain tone at these times.

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          • Let’s just say when it comes to our politicians (across political parties) and women, I am reminded of Sadashiv Amrapurkar in Aakhree Raasta — if you don’t know what I am talking about Jay, consider yourself lucky.

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          • I think I am pretty lucky with Theresa May, Cameron, Boris, Blair or whoever. They are not that bad or that good. Basic common sense is there.

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          • Boris?! Really?!

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          • Honestly I don’t think he is that bad, a buffoon yes but not Trump like – he would be sensible not irresponsible.

            I guess my political stance is always, whoever is in charge it’s not going to make a huge difference to me or my inner circle. And history will dictate no country was ever 100% happy ever! We will always complain about something or have something to complain about.

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          • He was shockingly irresponsible and cynical on Brexit — plugging an exit that he himself doesn’t really believe in just so he could try and become PM. Not to mention other gaffes and even racist comments galore all over the place. He’s scum IMO. Now whether or not he is as bad as Trump is a different question, but that’s not a great yardstick…

            LOL, now back to the main topic!

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          • Even Brexit I am agnostic too. I voted to stay in but out is not awful. There are pros and cons for both. Longer term all that matters is pulling in one direction together. If he was PM it would be ok IMO as Britain would set him straight or he would be outted quickly. Trump – well who knows, would it surprise me if he’s voted back in? Hell no! Likely probably not I guess. Put in this way British people would not put up with the antics of someone like Trump for too long – he’ll be given the boot pretty quickly IMO.

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    • Sounds like a HR policy notice. LOL

      Have heard of first hand accounts of female employee in indian office of a leading tech giant of silicon valley getting sexually harassed by her big boss and was then forced to resign as enforced by HR (citing some other trivial issues), while big boss was unscathed. Now imagine the culture in smaller offices in India … and thats just corporate india, glamor world is a lot worse.

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    • Are the laws separated for women and men?

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      • I dont know much about law. Rooney can help. And also Preet Singh. I am just the messenger.

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      • I don’t think Tanushree has any prosecutable case. Everything was happening in front of many people. No one has come forward to suggest any in appropriate behavior had happened. Only collaboration has been that she was upset and her vehicle was attacked.
        She filed a case to fend off legal notice Nana has sent.

        Having said that she did a service by opening can of worms..

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  34. Tendering an apology does not undo the act of harassment. An apology may be treated as an admission on part of the accused. The victim can still press charges, and it does not dilute the case.

    https://yourstory.com/2018/10/rutuja-veera-lawyers-meetooindia-moment/

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    • Oh shit! Aamir may not have opted out of mogul without all this noise, but i guess no one has accused him of this! Aamir scores 1-0 on Bachchan regarding this. Not a small feat by any means.

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      • Iss hamaam main sab nange hain.

        “this allegation has been around for at least 4 years. there is a viral video. google. didn’t stop either akshay kumar or aamir khan from working with Subhash kapoor. but with #metoo the price to pay especially for someone woke like Aamir is too high.”

        Image counts.

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    • When I clicked on the Marya Shakil tweet I got an error message — anyone have a screenshot?

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  36. In light of recent developments, when there were talks that Vikas Bahl license might be revoked, Kangana was questioned about the latest development by a leading news channel. That’s when she went on to say, “Whatever is happening with Vikas Bahl is absolutely correct. There are many people like Vikas Bahl he is not the only one. We still have a lot of work to do it so we should not start the celebrations as yet. We have a long way to go. We have to make this place [world] absolutely safe for woman. There are men who make false promises of love and marriage to a girl to get them in to a relationship that is also a type of harassment. There are married men keep their wives as trophies and keep young girls as their mistresses like Hrithik [Roshan]. They lure young beautiful girls with the promise of marriage and later try to prove them mad. Nobody should work with such people. They should be boycotted.”

    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/married-men-keep-young-girls-mistresses-like-hrithik-kangana-ranaut-reinitiates-attack-hrithik-roshan/

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    • Bringing HR here is going overboard and personal animosity

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      • Agree, she’s a loose cannon. And completely dilutes what she’s attempting here.

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      • Have you read Tisca Chopra’s account of HR’s father? It is on youtube. KR may have been ‘compromised’ by father and she may be taking revenge on the son. Or could be over-imagination at work….somehow I thought of HR as innocent when that whole thing unfolded.

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        • There was no reason for him to get offended for “silly ex” comment if there was nothing. He upped the anted by replying and sending legal notice.

          Kangana may have been imagining but it was convenient of Hrithik to get hold of Kangana explcit emails to supposedely imposter; which imposter turned into Hrithik.

          Things didn’t add up..

          But this outburst is unnecessary and not related. If there was anything both parties were consensual..at worst Kangana could be called harasser when Hrithik withdrew from relationship.

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          • This has actually been one of Hrithik’s problems — he takes himself so seriously one could be forgiven for thinking we weren’t talking about the guy who did Koi Mil Gaya and Krrish….and Kites and Krrish 3… and Mohenjodaro.

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    • While there is little doubt that HR has long been the subject of unsavory rumors in Bombay, Kangana needs to draw a distinction between womanizing and harassment/exploitation: the #MeToo movement is undermined if we try and insist that any departure from bourgeois “family values” is criminal. To boycott people who have affairs is absurd — you can condemn people as sexist or misogynistic but to urge boycotts based on this is not in going to lead to greater justice, simply greater hypocrisy.

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      • She’s also implying it’s ok for Hrithik to leave his wife for her (i.e. that’s what she wanted). And because it didn’t happen it’s wrong now. If she was married I doubt she would accept adultery in this way.

        She is a mess.

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        • It is also sexist to “infantilize” women and take away their agency by insisting that the only “role” they can play is as innocent naif seduced by older man on promises of marriage — that is the plot of some famous 18th and 19th century novels I guess, but it is NOT a feminist narrative: rather, it is a storyline that peddles patriarchy, sexism under the garb of “family values”. Feminism is about ensuring that structural inequities get fixed and that everyone has opportunities, and about interrogating the terrain on which choice operates — but it is NOT about protecting people from the consequences of their choices.

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          • this is an important point, specially as conservative ‘family values’ are often smuggled into the discussion this way. For example the whole ‘women already know what the industry is like, if they still choose to pursue this career they know what they’re in for’. The amusing thing is that a version of the same argument was also made decades ago in the West and then of course other societies later on when women first started joining the work force in significant numbers. And of course we know how much sexual harassment they too had to face because men believed all the ‘nice women’ stayed at home. The fact that a woman who wants to become an actress has to contend with this kind of stuff is deeply unfortunate and it should force all of us to rethink how things might be different for this problem not to be as common as it is. I can also understand how one would probably advise a loved one to stay away from certain fields for this very reason. But I find it impossible to make this argument intellectually. That a woman cannot choose a certain career because the men will come and get her!

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      • agreed completely..

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  37. The 27 year old actress does not want anything to do with Bollywood after suffering 7 years of sexual harassment from seniors, veterans, colleagues in the industry.

    Here’s her Official Press Statement:

    As I gear up to lodge a police complaint against Shiney (Ahuja) and his wife Anupam, I have another big announcement to make.

    https://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4684452

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    • “Sexual Harassment from Amitabh Bachchan: Recently, at the launch of the first look of Tinu Verma’s film This Weekend, Mr Amitabh Bachchan was the chief guest.

      Like everybody else, even I bent down to touch his feet to seek his blessings. Amitabh placed his hand on my butt and felt it up.

      I was too stunned to say anything to anyone. He should show some respect. After all, he is a 70 year old man, my grandfather’s age. I felt like slapping him the moment he placed his hand on my butt. ”

      I want to slap this female for saying this lies. Amitabh doing this on stage infront of 100 people and media and cameras and video? Lies ki bhi hadd hoti hai!

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  38. In full public view. Watch at 14.20 look at what he does

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    • He= Suhel Seth

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    • Did the female complain after this incident?

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      • During my student days in india i have seen and heard enuf anecdotes of professors in reputed universities manhandling female students who wud smile thru it to get recommendation letters so that they cud apply abroad for higher studies. And thats just academia!

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        • I had a friend at a reputed engineering college who asked her professor for a reccomendation and was told to come to his quarters (he lived alone on campus) at 9PM that night to discuss it! She declined and he refused to provide a recommendation. This same college has a 7 PM curfew for its female students after which they aren’t allowed to leave campus. I’m sure a much more effective safety measure would be to stop their professors on campus from harassing them instead of treating them like prisoners and restricting them from leaving campus.

          Another friend is currently doing her postgraduate specialisation in medicine and the doctor she is working under bombards her with romantic/ suggestive messages and she pretends to be too naive to understand what he’s implying to avoid dealing with the awkwardness of the situation. She really dreads her night shifts working with him. If this is the fate of intelligent, relatively privileged, urban young women at leading medical and engineering colleges, I can only imagine how deeply entrenched and dark the reality of harassment at educational institutions is.

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    • Reminds me of the sick pastor and Ariana Grande. He later apologized for this.

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  39. #MeToo movement: MJ Akbar should speak up, says Smriti Irani; urges people to not judge survivors
    Akbar is the first political public figure to feature in the growing list of men — so far largely from the media, film and entertainment — named in India’s own #MeToo movement that is gathering momentum since it broke on social media last week.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/metoo-campaign-smriti-irani-m-j-akbar-bjp-sexual-harassment-5397705/

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  40. It is raining accusations. Some are frivolous.

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  41. Incidentally today the LOL moment came from Schwarzenegger:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/11/entertainment/arnold-schwarzenegger-me-too/index.html

    yeah he “crossed the line” a bit. Poor guy..

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  42. Mumbai Police to summon Daisy Shah in Tanushree Dutta-Nana P ..
    timesofindia.indiatimes.com

    Will she say none of your business to the police? And police must be thinking about this dialogue!

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  43. When I was speaking about Salman or Dutt, it was not about the womanising but the basic premise of being charged with a crime.
    Is running down poor innocent people in a drunken stupor any less than say sexually assaulting someone? Or being convicted for association with gangsters and terrorists?

    If people can be shunted out of films for sexual assault( Which they should be) , then why not for other crimes as well? Salman has a history of assaulting his girl friends. But they paid the price

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    • Dutt’s done his time… unless I’m mistaken…

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      • Then the industry should have waited for the law to take its course. Why shunt them out now?

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        • I have said this to some degree all along. Convict and punish. Naming and shaming is not enough. It’s like taking a hoover and doing it over the floor without moving the sofa, bed out and not doing dusting.

          If you’re going to clean up the mess do it properly.

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    • Which is why I felt it was a bit disingenous for the industry to take a moral ground reg Vikas Bahl or Subash Kapoor . Of course more skeletons are tumbling out and it looks to me that half the industry is about to be unemployed!

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    • “Is running down poor innocent people in a drunken stupor any less than say sexually assaulting someone? ”

      So, from when is an accident a criminal crime? Accidents do happen even if your drunk or not. If you read news, you can see daily 10 accidents with people dying. That’s not criminal activity. Get out of the hatred please!

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    • I was wondering when Ghai, RGV etc would be in the news…

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      • I was sure Ghai’s name will come out. He was famous even in 80’s for this allegation. RGV on the other hand is different. I don’t think he will ‘force’ women or rape but he has innumerable consensual relationships with women and he’s with women 24/7. He’s not social in that sense but he’s not the one who will use women by hoping to giving them break. Its easy to target RGV and even 1 girl opens then media will lap it up and run the shows on his name!

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        • Dude, there have long been sordid rumors swirling around RGV, with both Sanju and Aamir reportedly quite unhappy with him and refusing to work with him for some of this sort of thing. Now, I have no idea if these rumors are true but the RUMORS are not new.

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        • again some names become more famous than others but the difference is usually one of degree not in kind. When you have that much power over the actresses you’re casting you don’t have to be a miserable human being to do certain things. Even a ‘gentlemanly’ attitude will guarantee certain results! We again fall into the trap of assuming that certain people because they behave a certain way or what have you are more likely to do certain things than others. Did Alok Nath look the part? There are many ‘nice’ guys in the industry (i.e. who don’t seem like they could be doing such stuff) who are mostly doing the very same things. Again the Hollywood example is instructive. You had some very respected actors like Dustin Hoffman who were also part of these scandals. The problem again is this is the general culture of a film industry. It happens all the time. the same in any entertainment industry. There is a certain ‘anything goes’ attitude. Again it’s good that many of these stories are coming to light but this whole ‘we didn’t know such freaks existed’ attitude is a bit bizarre too. There are exceptions everywhere but this is the general culture.

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        • I’m not saying RGV is nice or so but he’s very unconventional. He is with women all the time but he’s not Sajid Khan type of person IMO.

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    • Mahima Chaudhary challenged Ghai’s control in the 1990’s by taking him to court for not abiding by his contract. Her contract said 3 films with Ghai and that she wasn’t allowed to sign any other film until the contract was up. He didnt sign her for Taal, so Mahima felt she had been made a mockery of. I’ve always thought that there was another subtext in this spat, that reporters couldn’t be open about. The controversy affected her career to a certain extent, some producers shied away from signing her.

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  44. Himani Shivpuri: Alok Nath’s behaviour an open secret in industry
    Himani Shivpuri, who has worked with Alok Nath in many films and TV shows, said she was shocked to read Vinta Nanda’s Facebook post, accusing the Hum Aapke Hai Kaun actor of rape.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/himani-shivpuri-alok-nath-me-too-movement-5398008/

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  45. IdeaUnique Says:

    Now that Sajid Khan’s name has come up in the #MeToo movement, will Akshay Kumar show the courage and distance himself from upcoming Houseful series? Just asking!!!

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  46. Stars knew underbelly of BW and who’s who and still kept silence and did work together. Or they just got conscience now?
    It’s now cost they can’t afford and image when names are out.
    they represent height of hypocrisy, intellectual corruption and spineless character. All became ‘woke’ now.
    Aamir was knowing abt Subhas?

    And same stars go on rooftops 2 preach us and show placards -India is ashamed etc.

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    • I agree — but would also say that the audience is just as hypocritical (how did all of us THINK the rape scenes in Hindi films or the item numbers or the bedroom scenes or the dresses chosen for new actresses, were staged or filmed? i.e. how did we think the nitty gritty of that worked, what are people told, who else is on set, do they snigger and make cat-calls, etc etc.? Just staying with what is visible on camera, the answer is obvious. So it isn’t even about what we are learning now, it’s about what we surely knew all along). This is the very audience and society of which the stars, targets of harrassment and violence, and perpetrators are all drawn from.

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      • our comments crossed.. was saying the same things..

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      • For us, audience it is grey area of may be or may be not, a hearsay.
        Stars saw it happening, were agencies and willing participants.
        the kept silence.
        Ok. No issue.
        But don’t pontificate, give moral lectures and most importantly, don’t show shock, surprise and disassociation.

        I agree some blame our way when u see ppl flocking 2 movies of those stars.

        We are all hypocrites, degree varies.

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      • Q:
        Now take example of MJ :

        MJ Akbar has thrived for 40 years as a superstar journalist/editor despite everyone apparently knowing his reputation. More than politicians, it is the media which needs to seriously introspect here. The owners and the editors and Journos who enabled him and looked away.
        And same editors and celebrity journos become lawyers, audience, jury, and judge and moral and intellectual guru’s.
        Where are those journos. who show up with placards and ‘India is ashamed’ hashtags now?

        Another ex: Shivam Vij is writing piece supporting #Metoo and same fellow was fired coz he was sending sexual msgs 2 one female and stopped when Delhi police warned him…

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        • Do you have any evidence on Shivam Vij? Second, we’ll have to see what the details are — I can’t compare in isolation things like that with stuff like Kathua (even as a relatively jaded person who does not think that I am innocent, I did feel ashamed of myself as a human being when I read about that), or even what MJ Akbar seems to be guilty of. Some sense of proportion has to be kept — if x journalist has groped someone does that mean he can never express outrage at someone for Kathua or Nandigram or whatever? I don’t accept that.

          PS — I do agree that very many of these media folks should be ashamed. Just be aware that we hold them to a higher standard; in politics and the film industry, a lot of this behavior might not even rate. And let’s not forget the corporate world, where India is definitely behind countries in the West where investigation and redress of this sort of thing is concerned (despite some excellent laws on the books).

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        • yes Bliss but what do you think of a government supporting such politicians in multiple cases where such things have happened…

          https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/govt-won-t-drop-rape-accused-minister-nihalchand/story-SWgWTRVpUNuw9znQYR8GaN.html

          and if you follow all the details it’s an extremely sordid story. More recently:

          https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/ganganagar-mp-nihal-chand-rape-case-2896233/

          and there are very many such cases of politicians being supported with such records or worse at every level. Not that only one party if guilty of it but let’s not forget some of these examples!

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          • @S:
            I said here, “iss hamaam main sab nange hain” BW is one eample. Politics and corporate world another and much more brutal and horrible.

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    • this is one of the points I’m making in the piece. This is not a surprise to anyone working in the industry or associated with it at any level. Now that the stories are coming out some are pretending otherwise. But again the audience isn’t that innocent too. How many fans did Salman lose when he ran people over? Not just this people were supporting him like a hero. Leave this aside. How many people would not show up for Thugs if they learnt the director or the producer were doing similar things? The audience consumes all the stuff that is made. The fact that everyone from Alok Nath to Ghai gets implicated shows how universal the problem. And yes important actors/directors still rarely get named (even in Hollywood). Much as top actresses rarely come out with such revelations. People are afraid for genuine reasons. You don’t want to destroy your career. Of course not everyone behaves repulsively to the same degree but that’s a low standard. I can’t say I behaved like a gentleman once I coerce a woman to do certain things with me! In any case this whole ‘who knew?!’ attitude is more than a little irritating. But yeah coming from the industry folks it’s truly hypocritical.

      One must go further.. if the sexual politics is terrible within the industry this also gets reflected in the kinds of movies that are made and that again the audience loves. Why are there so many nude women in world cinema? Why are there so many titillating item numbers in Indian cinema (and worse)? Why do most actresses get simply ornamental roles in commercial films where they just have to look good and show up for the songs? One could go on. A certain view of women is reflected in these films as well.

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  47. Terrible story!

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  49. Why did she put up with him for such a long time? She looks like an educated and intelligent woman.

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  50. Let’s be honest, we all get ‘offended’ selectively. Salman fans refuse to believe anything about him. We’ve had some of those discussions on this very blog. The same for fans of other stars. The same happens with our political choices. From corruption to sexual assault to murder to pogroms, it’s all bad as long as the other side is doing it. Otherwise we’re ok with it or we have many excuses to avoid the obvious. We can blame industry figures all we like but most days we’re not looking into the mirror ourselves. Not really looking. You don’t have to personally do things, if you support certain kinds of public figures you’re supporting all their behavior too.

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  51. Do we have to blame srk for being friendly with Sajid? Do we have to blame Akshay for doing film with Sajid? Do we have to blame Aamir for agreeing to do film with Subhash Kapoor knowing his history? Bachchan also worked with people who were not saints.
    But as Satyam says that we have not stopped discussing their films and enjoying their films. Are we not hypocrites, intellectually corrupt and ugly characters? Sajid and Aloknath types have Jekyll and Hyde traits. They show the better side of them for others. Split personality.
    At the end of it they are used to girls hanging to them for careers and treat them like trash.
    These things have come out into the open from the shadows.
    We suspected that many things were wrong but now we come to know about grisly details.
    And they say that lotus blooms in murky waters.Thus we have great actors, great cinema from that cesspool.

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    • one of the problems unfortunately is that the very same human can be both. A miserable human being and a producer of great art or entertainment. Vikas Bahl is the classic example. he is who he is but he also made a film that everyone loves, not least from a feminist angle — Queen.

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  52. The list doesn’t end there. Gursimran Khamba and Utsav Chakraborty of the popular comedy collective All India Bakchod (AIB) have both been accused of inappropriate behaviour by women who have known them personally. So has comedian Kanan Gill and Varun Grover. Singer Kailash Kher has been accused of misbehaviour by fellow musician Sona Mohapatra and other women singers who say he touched them inappropriately during recordings or meetings. Singer Abhijeet Bhattacharya joins him as another accused. Tamil lyricist Vairamuthu, Malayalam actor Mukesh and composer Gopi Sundar, too, have been accused of sexual harassment. It’s obvious that a long-held silence is being broken on various forms of sexual misbehaviour that appear to have been the norm in the film industry.
    http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/cover-story/the-female-lead

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    • “Veteran film journalist Indu Mirani, who has observed Hindi cinema culture up close for decades, believes that patriarchy is entrenched in the industry. Film sets would be intimidating, and female actors labelled ‘outdoor artists’ were passed along from man to man in the course of a shoot, she says. “Neither female actors nor women journalists were safe around a film set. “

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    • “The movement is not without its flaws. Though it seems to have empowered women to share their stories, it also has made many men who may be innocent susceptible to blame. Social media doesn’t screen statements and that has proven to be dangerous. Women from the industry themselves have been requesting their friends and colleagues to tweet responsibly so that reputations are not ruined for no valid reason.”

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    • Varun Grover’s response in particular seems quite strong and credible: this is an anonymous allegation and he has forcefully asked for further details and issued a detailed statement. Obviously I have no first-hand knowledge but I am inclined to believe him unless and until there is more information.

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      • In particular, note that Grover has been saying for days that the journalist who is passing on these anonymous allegations needs to do some fact checking before spreading on social media (eg did the complainant attend the university she claims this happened at, etc). Simply repeating anonymous allegations isn’t on. Contrast with the painstaking journalism of Ronan Farrow on this issue. To date no one has corroborated these allegations against Varun Grover, nor even put a name to the allegations, so am inclined to believe him.

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        • It’s going to be tough with so many allegations to decipher truth from fiction. Women who have said anything have little to gain by lying. I can think of better ways to get attention than making up such stories. It’s possible things happened but got misunderstood but even here one’s got to think a woman sitting on this incident for a number of years & coming out now – it must have some teeth to it and left a scar of sorts. Rape allegations seem cut and dry. Alok Nath for sure with so many women coming forward is done for. Vikas too.

          I’m surprised the sports industry hasn’t come out with anything. Given Simone Biles case in US gymnastics is huge news and obviously Ronaldo being front page stuff.

          India needs 1 case to go big and a massive scalp and it will change many things.

          Tanushree has given people an opportunity to speak; someone needs to take the next courageous step of going all out in court. Then people will feel law can help them.

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  53. Forced to do leading lady roles at 13, Rekha has talked of being dragged from one studio to another. “Bombay was like a jungle, and I had walked in unarmed,” she told Simi Garewal in 2004, adding that “guys did try and take advantage of my vulnerability”

    http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/cover-story/the-price-of-fame

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    • she was terribly abused. men to men to men. Shobha De wrote a novel on it too. For one traumatised like this, she appears to have healthy attitude and positivity. Bravo Rekha Madam. We love you!

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    • they’re all horrifying stories to be honest. From East to West. Absolutely hair-raising stuff goes on as a matter of course. On Amazon Prime there’s a worthwhile show called The Last Tycoon (off Fitzgerald’s last uncompleted Hollywood novel). In one of the scenes a top actress who’s seen it all says she arrived in the industry as a teenager to become a singer and she was under 15 then and ‘they put everything in my mouth except the words of the song’. Hollywood is still terrible but it was even worse in the ‘classic’ age. The idea that there’s a casting couch where women have to sleep with a director to get a part and it’s then all ok is actually the most ‘romantic’ view of these things. It’s far far worse. In Cine Blitz once (or maybe it was Star & Style) there used to mention some of these stories without naming anyone. It was again pretty revolting stuff. The idea that there can be such a gap between this dream world that movies represent and the extremely sordid reality behind the scenes is hard to imagine to most people and then digest even if one knows enough.

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      • Yes, actually there used to be a lot more clarity around this back in the old days of the trashy film magazines. They would keep writing about this — today there is a far greater willful blindness in the bourgeoisie about what is entailed. I remember one piece that I read about thirty years ago, referring to a filmi family where the brothers would set up fake auditions for non-existent films and roles so they could exploit women.

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  54. Tanushree Dutta sexual harassment case: Nana Patekar may escape stricter provisions of amended law

    A senior police officer said that since the FIR is recorded based on the law in place at the time of the alleged incident in 2008, the sections invoked in the FIR are 354 and 509, which are bailable.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/tanushree-dutta-sexual-harassment-case-nana-patekar-fir-5398224/

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  55. Where’s the party tonight?? At HOUSEFULL 4 location.

    Producer: Sajid Nadiadwala (also of Super 30)
    Actors: Akshay and Nana Patekar
    Director: Sajid Khan

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    • This guy is such an idiot – I could see him breaking down in court like this scene

      Although instead of holding it together like Nicholson, I’m pretty sure he’ll cry like a big baby and beg for forgiveness…But he has this smugness about him that he DESERVES this from women for whatever reason. This sense of entitlement and power.

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      • Somewhat tangentially, using a Nicholson clip is kinda ironic, given his own rather sordid past (long been at the center of allegations that he has hired prostitutes and beaten them up on multiple occasions. Of course, given we are talking about prostitutes the system allows a certain impunity — hence the abiding relevance of Talaash, a rare enough statement from any commercial film industry; props to Reema Kagti, Excel, Aamir, Rani and Kareena for being associated with this superb film).

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    • People should forget about Housefull and remind themselves of Heyy Babby because that film was atrocious with scantily clad women everywhere under Sajid’s direction…

      Look no further than the title song…

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  56. Re: Audience complicity, we’ve just had a vote on SRK’s films and DDLJ won the final round. If that film doesn’t justify male creepiness (see scene below) then I don’t know shit from Shinola.

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    • He’s flirting and gets a kick in the crotch for measure…

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    • Check the speed of train on Kajol side and Shahrukh side

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    • #metoo is not really about onscreen for me. Sure I can think of countless things that can be toned down. But it’s really about offscreen. Even RDB, the way DJ seranades Sue…it’s pretty harmless. The bar has to be rapists, sexual abuse, mental abuse and stuff like that. A film is a film and can generally display what it likes with some exceptions & people have the choice to avoid it outright by reading reviews, not going based on trailer or shutting their eyes when it happens in the cinema – in real life unfortunate victims don’t have this choice.

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      • On screen behavior influences off-screen behavior too. It’s not that simple.

        If this is harmless flirting then men will try to get into a female’s personal space, just like in this particular scene. This isn’t tolerated in real life, why should it be given a free pass in reel life?

        DDLJ isn’t the only film in this regard. Anything that’s passed off as flirting in cinema but in reality is transgressing the norms of decent behavior, needs to be called out.

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        • Watch the scene from start to finish. This is better than that Suhel Seth slapping butt video. Simran is sorting out her bag and Raj gets her bra. She immediately takes it off him. She sits away to read her book. He moves in closer with his shades on starts flirting. She’s fobbing him off and then she reads the book in such a way to block his face. Then the ‘sexier’ woman arrives and this ‘flirts’ attention goes there. Remember Raj at this point is just that, a big flirt a bit of a player. By the end when Simran leaves she pushes the suitcase against him or the door to display further grievance in the situation. Beyond pulling a knife on him or beating him up she is doing everything possible to avoid him.

          Back to film you loved recently, Manmarziyaan – Rumi is the free girl of today. She can literally ‘do’ whomever she wants and does. She plays Vicky and Robbie totally! Does it set the tone for decent ‘behaviour’ in the context you are laying out for DDLJ here? On this film I have no issue with her personally, shit happens and she changes her mind etc. But on reel it’s hardly something I’d teach my daughter if I had one! Where do you draw the line between real and reel?

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          • Btw no way in hell am I a huge fan of DDLJ. I’m guessing even people who voted for it, were ‘forced’ by history or whatever. If it were up to me CDI or Baazigar would win. The latter does nothing for #metoo as we’ll be lobbing women off balconies based on that movie if we take reel literally.

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          • He moves in closer with his shades on starts flirting

            He’s shown sneaking up to her in an empty compartment. It’s too close for anyone’s comfort, I’d presume.

            Simran leaves she pushes the suitcase against him or the door to display further grievance in the situation. Beyond pulling a knife on him or beating him up she is doing everything possible to avoid him

            That’s dangerously close to being termed as harassment. After #metoo, I’m sure this will be considered harassment.

            She plays Vicky and Robbie totally!

            That’s a wrong reading of the film. Or a very superficial one. But I’ll say this for sure, Rumi’s actions in the film are far more believable than Kajol falling for a guy who acts like a prick. The latter is definitely an example of the patriarchal mindset that is the cause of the current movement.

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          • People fall for pricks all the time! The bad boy Vs the good boy, the former gets plenty. I’m not saying Rumi is more or less believable, I’m saying her actions are not one’s I would teach my daughter! I would rather hope my daughter elbows someone in the crotch and avoids like Simran – gives it back basically then secretly sleep around and cheat on her husband!

            And a son well he should be more like Robbie not Raj.

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          • Rumi does cheat on her husband — once. But she isn’t overjoyed by the thought.

            She was shown trying to move on. In a moment of weakness, her physical impulses took over. And she pretty much hates herself for that. That, I think, is credible. It can happen.

            Whether I’d teach my daughter something similar is a moot question. I really wonder, in this age and time, whether children can be ‘taught’ something by force. It certainly didn’t work for me!

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          • It can happen. But more often than not it will end a relationship. Are you now saying it’s ok to cheat (or credible) if you show some effort to move on and remorse after cheating? I don’t get it. Her actions on the whole are not praiseworthy but it’s reel and aside from this debate I can live with it.

            I certainly wouldn’t present the film to my daughter and say Rumi is your inspiration – be like her. Certainly some of the attitude is fine, the independence and making your own choices and mistakes etc. But I wouldn’t attest to dealing with relationships like this.

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          • But you’re right I have no hope on this matter. Moulding a child is like a sponge. You gathered all the water and something comes along and squeezes it out.

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          • Yes, I agree, more often than not, it will end a relationship. I’m not saying it’s OK to cheat — I’m saying it’s credible because Rumi hadn’t completely gotten over DJ Sandz. She had a no-holds-barred affair with him and after a very recently arranged marriage, it’s possible for her to have some leftover feelings for the guy. Even if she was moving away from him. That there was a temporary loss of judgment on her part is still relatable. Not justified, but relatable. Kajol falling head over heels in love with a guy who’s a pesky jerk at best, or a creep at worst, is not.

            That’s why Manmarziyan is such a great film. It makes the audience uneasy — it asks us to root for Rumi, who’s shown to be far from perfect. It dares us to leave our preconceived notions about love and marriage behind and accept some people as they are. Independent and flawed; conflicted and confused; externally strong and sometimes, emotionally weak.

            Only the very best films can give rise to such conflicts. The more conventional ones are far too easy to digest, but in reality only offer a false sense of security and a misguided notion of love, friendship etc.

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          • Raj is not like that all the way through DDLJ. He matures a bit – that one scene is not the ‘essence’ of Raj at all. To me I’m just calling a spade a spade on Rumi, rather I wouldn’t expect myself to be in a relationship if I did what she did. She’s quite lucky in that context, she walks away with the man in the end. Whatever her prior history with Vicky – like I said I can relate to it with the same level of tolerance with which I watch that DDLJ scene but if I apply the criteria you have for DDLJ in that one scene I can’t justify Rumi. Also Simran doesn’t fall for ‘that’ Raj. That ‘Raj’ is just obnoxious at that point. He matures, they spend a holiday together, they change and then they fall in love.

            No one remains the same always. Just like I found Dil Se a boring piece of cinema in 98, I enjoyed it recently, so that Raj grows up a bit.

            Ps. I didn’t route for Rumi here at all, yes she’s played perfectly well. Only the more calculated reliable Abhishek is the morally correct character here. Rumi IMO is a mess. Bed hopping initially she’s very abrupt in her desire for marriage and leaves Vicky with little time to get his house in order and she gets married and then cheats (fine it’s with all that old feelings but it wouldn’t be accepted). It’s all very rash and instinctive and quite selfish for her own happiness.

            DDLJ is totally conventional and Manmarziyaan more complex. Both work IMO. Morally Simran should marry Robbie. At least my moral compass says that. Raj is ok, he’s a jerk heck even I was at one point probably. The idea we all should be morally guided when we hit say 18 is impractical and unlikely. We all need to fall or fail to learn. Even Rahul in KKHH is a doofus. Soon as he see’s legs in Rani he goes for her. He laughs at his best friend when she tries to immitate Rani. He learns eventually through loss I guess.

            I guess I am conventional in my choices generally. Hence why I prefer HDDCS. No one cheats here and there is nothing overtly complicated, Aishwarya just realised in the nick of time that she loves Devgnn more than Salman and actually no longer loves Salman. Devgnn had to bide his time, Salman misses out. Aishwarya walks away with the good guy who is reliable and stuck by her despite her loving someone else. Maybe it’s all superficial but that’s Bollywood. I just prefer that overall love triangle dynamic. Even KKHH no one really gets stung by cheating. I can relate to Rumi or her male equivalent but I’d never say it’s acceptable behaviour. That being reality is a different matter.

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          • You (nor the other members on SS) don’t want me to start on DDLJ! LOL

            Don’t think Raj, the character, matures at all. He’s still the impish alpha-male wanting to have his way with everyone. He’s the kind of guy who’d hit on PYTs in his 40s or 50s.

            Rumi IMO is a mess. Bed hopping initially she’s very abrupt in her desire for marriage and leaves Vicky with little time to get his house in order and she gets married and then cheats (fine it’s with all that old feelings but it wouldn’t be accepted). It’s all very rash and instinctive and quite selfish for her own happiness.

            Don’t agree with the bed hopping bit. She’s shown making love to her lover (initially), one whom she hopes to marry, eventually.

            Yes, she’s shown to be rash, impulsive and vindictive as well. In short, a real human being. A fleshed out character, in a romantic film, for a change.

            I also disagree with the charge that Rumi doesn’t need to be shown drinking, smoking to appear liberated. I agree, only partially. Smoking and drinking is not a sign of liberation but why do people get upset when a woman is shown doing the same? Do people even question when a male character is shown drinking or smoking?

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          • I did mean bed hopping with the same man. Not different men, should have clarified.

            I haven’t said anything about drinking or smoking.

            Anyway we going round in circles and I don’t want to be seen as defending SRK and DDLJ for too long. I give up now! Before the cavalry arrives (Satyam & Qalander).

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          • Yes, I know, you never questioned her drinking or smoking scenes.

            I was making a larger point. Quite a lot of women were against those scenes.

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        • One of the most disgusting examples — and one I’ve been citing for years on naachgaana.com and this blog — is KKHH, in particular the basketball game where, as part of SRK’s demonstration that women aren’t as good as men at basketball, he basically un-hitches her sari pallu. This is sick stuff, deeply disgusting. And, it was so even in 1998 — of course Karan Johar has always had a rather crude sensibility (certainly the films he has directed include sequences where he goes out of his way to have racist sequences, misogynist stuff, etc. Not every director from his generation was doing this).

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  57. Ekta Kapoor drops Subhash Kapoor: After reports of another #MeToo incident, the filmmaker loses out on Kapoor’s web series
    ByBollywood Hungama News NetworkOct 12, 2018 – 10:20 am IST

    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/ekta-kapoor-drops-subhash-kapoor-reports-another-metoo-incident-filmmaker-loses-kapoors-web-series/

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  58. Delivering A significant order amidst the #MeToo campaign, the Delhi High Court Thursday restrained a woman journalist who had accused senior employees of a web portal of sexual harassment last year from describing the alleged incident on social media or any other public platform. In an interim order passed in open court, a bench of Chief Justice Rajendra Menon and Justice V K Rao directed the woman and those facing the allegations to refrain from making comments on the issue or disclosing the identities of those involved in the case on all media platforms.

    The court had first passed an order in this case on November 7, 2017, directing the suppression of the petitioner’s identity and that of the others involved. But in a fresh plea, the employees claimed that the woman had taken to Twitter and Facebook, in the wake of the #MeToo movement, to describe the alleged incident and name those allegedly involved. They contended that the woman had violated the court’s earlier order.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/metoo-delhi-hc-in-sexual-harassment-case-dont-reveal-details-5398238/

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  59. I think they dissolved Phantom to save it from the backlash but it seems to have backfired.
    Sacred Games 2 is kept on hold(which is a pity as I enjoyed part 1) and the whispers on Bombay Velvet budget being spent unwisely is gathering strength. More trouble ahead

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    • Good. Especially Sajid proved to be such creep if the allegations are true. Respect for Akshay Kumar. Just like aamir he must have heard about these things and now both have decided to do something.

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      • Bipasha Basu refused to promote Humshakals after her shooting experience. It certainly wasn’t anything to do with the dire script.

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        • He is Farhan akhtar’s cousin.

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          • What should Farhan do about it? They have never proclaimed closeness publcially. I have a few relatives with pretty repugnant gender views (albeit nothing criminal) but that doesn’t mean it reflects on me personally! At the same time I would be uncomfortable calling them out publically for pretty obvious reasons, although I certainly do debate them privately and politely. And I suspect it would be the same for most of us.

            I suppose you can call Farhan a hypocrite for outing Nana and Vikas but not his own kin but let’s not lose focus on the real criminal here (Sajjid!) and unnecessarily implicate Farhan, Zoya, Javed, Honey et al.

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          • Yeah I am inclined to agree with Vee — I am not responsible for the fact that my cousins have very different views on politics/gender roles/life than I do. Certainly there is no reason to believe that Farhan Akhtar has ever condoned this sort of thing — in fact he was among the first B’wood male celebrities to take a stand on this. The idea that someone who has affairs is the same as a harasser and a repulsive degrader of women as Sajid seems to have been, is utterly unacceptable to me. Swati mentioned that affairs aren’t necessarily on “equal” terrain in the industry, but a presumption of coercion or compromise is not tenable IMO (heck, even in non-filmi life would that standard be met every time? Think about the majority of arranged marriages in modern families/settings — it’s often not completely equal, but if some were to assume that arranged marriage MEANS “the woman has been forced into it” that would be most absurd). The bourgeois ethos of monogamy (itself often honored in the breach, especially if the one doing the breaching is male) cannot be the frontier of our moral imagination — there are other ways to be.

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          • This is an extremely important comment, specially as it pertains to ‘arranged marriages’ where, and to put it bluntly, the expectation of sex on night 1 is often not negotiable. And often beyond as well. Just because one has married someone doesn’t mean these ‘property rights’ follow. But this is the way it has been traditionally understood in every culture.

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          • PS — I am perfectly happy to interrogate the entire structure of male privilege (indeed this is necessary, and one should always be aware of it!), but to interrogate it under the rubric of #MeToo is not appropriate. It’s like saying those of us who have benefited from a structure of class and caste privilege in India (very many of us, including on this blog I would guess) are the same as those upper-caste men who rape Dalit girls — the two cannot be thought under the same “sign”. [Certainly the former is important — one reason I always roll my eyes when very many desis I know oppose quotas and affirmative action on the grounds of “merit”, when one’s merit is the product of very specific processes and institutionalization of privilege and the access afforded by that privilege, generation after generation — but they aren’t the same thing. So too with this current moment: India and the world are long overdue for questioning male privilege, but that isn’t the same as harassment/violence/humiliation (although unchecked privilege can lead to that sort of mindset, sure).

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          • I think you are drawing conclusions hastily.
            My comment meant that how poles apart are they.

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          • Sorry, I misunderstood you. I’ve seen far more comments on twitter attacking Farhan, Sanam etc than the actual criminals so I thought this was in the same vein.

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          • My simple voice here says that an enabler as some have called it is not to blame. If the victim confides in someone and wants support in going public or law than that ‘enabler’ I think should help. Otherwise it’s very tricky.

            I’ve seen this in my extended family. Everyone knows one uncle is a wife beater & child abuser. But in our extended family the wife (my aunt) hasn’t suggested to step in or go for divorce or anything. She’s riden it through. He’s changed over time. Now he’s into religion heavily, somewhat mended his ways. But now the 3 kids are messed up. Fight between each other. We could all be enablers here technically.

            It’s very tricky to know what to do unless you are really close to that person and that person wants justice with your support. I would think people would help if asked to here. There is no way my father would sit by and let his sister get beats if she said please help. But if she doesn’t, our minds can’t really muddle up into someone else’s family life – it can impact the marriage & kids.

            A professional industry needs a small group of people who are invested in ethics where such incidents can be raised and action taken informally or formally depending on the victim’s wants. The stars who are quiet are not the criminals here.

            I could go on with personal stories here but I’ll stop.

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          • Koi poles apart nahi. They are all the same. Just degree is different. He also left his wife for younger woman and has affairs. And one never knows the power equation in these bollywood “affairs”. They are all like Anuraag kashyap. Muh mein Ram, bagal mai churi. I don’t trust any of them. Especially the “honest” ones! It is just an image like alok nath had. 😦

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  60. Sajid Khan steps down as director of Housefull 4 amid sexual harassment allegations
    Sajid Khan, who has been accused of harassment by three women, has stepped down from his directorial position of Housefull 4. Akshay Kumar had already requested the producers of the film to cancel all shoots until further investigation.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/sajid-khan-quits-housefull-4-akshay-kumar-me-too-5398847/

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  61. #MeToo Updates: Nana Patekar May Just Be Arrested; Tanushree Dutta Provided With Police Security
    The FIR in the 10-year old case was lodged under Sections 353 and 503 of the Indian Penal Code on Wednesday night.
    By Koimoi.com Team -October 12, 2018

    Director Luv Ranjan Allegedly Crosses All Lines, Asks Actress If She Masturbates In The Audition!
    It didn’t end here as director further asked if she was virgin and ever used condoms to which the actress was literally shocked.
    By Koimoi.com Team -October 12, 2018

    Chinmayi Sripaada Shares A Post Accusing Sri Lankan Cricketer Malinga Of Sexual Assault!
    Sripaada, 34, shared a post on Twitter to narrate the alleged incident.
    By Koimoi.com Team -October 12, 2018

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  62. Regarding Sajjid Khan and Luv Rangan, is anyone surprised? Their movies reek of misogyny and it’s frightening to think that sexual criminals like them are given the power of directing Bollywood blockbusters where they influence millions of impressionable young men to look at and treat women in the same inhumane manner. The film industry’s atttitude towards women needs an urgent reform both on and offscreen for precisely this reason: it influences so many people beyond just the ones involved in cinema and creates acceptable standards of behaviour for society. I really hope the #MeToo movement sustains and doesn’t get diluted or fizzle out but I have my doubts, especially now as many powerful men are getting implicated.

    Behaviour like Saloni’s description of Sajjid absolutely terrify and bewilder me; what do men like him get out of this kind of sick humiliation and what drives them to it? It is so much more than sexual abuse alone and seems to be more a combination of megalomania, unchecked entitlement and hatred of an entire gender and I just don’t understand what satisfaction anyone could derive from this.

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    • They get that arrogance because aspiring actresses go to them. And some like these take advantage and start humiliating them. By the time girls realise what is happening they are too deep in the muck. They are at the mercy of these psychos and someday day they cant take it anymore and then decide to leave.

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    • Terrific comment, Vee…

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    • Did you see Luv Ranjan’s second movie? I do not remember the title, but it was quite feminist. Not defending Ranjan. Just saying. The plot of how the husband is forcing himself on the wife (marital rape) and how in the end the woman fights back. It was quite a good movie though it flopped. His other ‘misogynous’ movies successed but the one that was feminist failed at BO.
      Kya karna?

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    • Re: “Behaviour like Saloni’s description of Sajjid absolutely terrify and bewilder me; what do men like him get out of this kind of sick humiliation and what drives them to it? It is so much more than sexual abuse alone and seems to be more a combination of megalomania, unchecked entitlement and hatred of an entire gender and I just don’t understand what satisfaction anyone could derive from this.”

      Right, but there also is no dividing line between sexual abuse and those other things. As the prevalence of oodles of pornography in these “genres” — turning on humiliation, debasement, etc. — attests, for a number of people humiliation and degradation might be an essential component of their sex drives.

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  63. 4 Retired Judges To Hold Public Hearings On #MeToo Cases: Maneka Gandhi
    A series of accounts from women, accusing public figures of sexual assault, harassment and misconduct, have emerged in India triggering an uprising called the #MeToo movement.
    All India | Written by Divyanshu Dutta Roy | Updated: October 12, 2018 16:03 IST

    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/four-retired-judges-will-hold-public-hearings-on-metoo-cases-says-minister-maneka-gandhi-news-agency-1931057?pfrom=home-topscroll

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    • You kidding me sister? You had no idea? These people are stupid if they believe the common person believes this.

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      • They had to issue these statements to fend off criticism on SM platforms.

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      • Having idea about it and then knowing explicit details is different. I don’t think one would know another person’s sexual fantasies and that side unless you are spouse. Siblings can’t know that detail. They can figure out he’s always chasing women but what kind of talk he does, no one can unless you are victim.

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        • I think she’s saying she had no idea…a lot of ifs but I guess she can’t say anything more. Hasn’t she defended him before?

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      • thecooldude Says:

        What else do you expect a sister to say in Public? Even if she knew, she aint gonna lambast him publicly.

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  64. Sajid Khan cracked lewd jokes openly, was rude to women: Bipasha Basu
    Bollywood actor Bipasha Basu reveals it was filmmaker Sajid Khan’s indecent behaviour which made her disassociate herself from Humshakals.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/sajid-khan-bipasha-basu-me-too-movement-5399463/

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  65. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/ajay-devgn-im-disturbed-by-all-the-happenings-with-regards-to-metoo/articleshow/66182779.cms

    And also soumik sen is facing allegations about sexual misconduct.

    She narrated her experience to singer Chinmayi Sripaada, who has been sharing stories of sexual harassment of women from all over the country on her Twitter account. The actress said that she was 21 when she was starting out, and Soumik reached out to her on Facebook, asking if she would like to be a part of his next film.

    When she saw that he had directed Gulaab Gang, she was “automatically hopeful” and shared her number with him. “He praised my voice and hoped I looked as ‘sexy’. Then he asked me if I was straight or had a lesbian encounter because the character was required to be a lesbian,” she wrote, adding that she answered all his “uncomfortable questions” because she was keen on doing the film.

    IndiaToday.in
    New Delhi
    October 12, 2018UPDATED: October 12, 2018 17:12 IST

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  66. thecooldude Says:

    Waiting for the big one…..so far all accused are relatively small time …I am sure someone REALLY big will be named soon. That will really SHAKE the industry big time.

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  67. In the space of a couple of weeks, Bollywood is decimated. Nothing from the south industry?

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  68. responding to this Jay & Saket exchange here..

    On DDLJ I’ve spent too long arguing against this whole brand of cinema to rake it all up again. I’ll just say this however — the biggest problem for me with this film has always been its ‘morality’. For a film that insists on family values and truth it depends too much on a guy ingratiating himself with a family by cheating them at every point to get what he wants. It’s again not the plot I object to but the absurdity that Raj in this very half constantly insists talks about ‘truth’ and doing things ‘the right way’. Running away with the girl is a far more honest choice (let alone with the consent of the mother-in-law-to be) than what he does. And his morality is really the film’s morality. This is what the audience ‘believes’.

    Let’s juxtapose this with Manmarziyaan. The girl clearly cheats on her husband in a moment of weakness. But she is a far more moral person than Raj (or most of his audience!). She is willing to cheat her family for her love interest, she is willing to run away with him even though he seems to offer no real future, she agrees to marry only because she’s been let down by him once too often. The marriage cannot of course act like a switch and turn off everything in her mind. She has her moment of weakness but she does regret it. Traditionally other love triangles, specially HDDCS, avoid this problem by having the older love exit the stage altogether. The woman then gets enough time to outgrow the older relationship and start adapting to the new guy in her life. But it doesn’t usually pan out this way in life. People, rather inconveniently, don’t disappear. On the whole Rumi I think acts quite morally. But even if one disagrees with this it’s interesting that no one has a similar problem with DDLJ (on the point I referred to).

    Now I’m not as harsh on DDLJ as Saket is. I accept everything about the narcissistic hero at the center of the film (this was the SRK persona that multiplex New India always loved). He doesn’t exactly mature over the film’s narrative but he does change a bit. The problem is this change is for the worse! In the first half he’s irresponsible and narcissistic but perhaps relatively harmless. In the second though he’s more committed and a total cheat (I don’t want to make this too long or I’d say this is a kind of allegory on right-wing politics where again the problem isn’t that it might be unpleasant or extreme but precisely that it cheats). Nonetheless it’s a fluid narrative and it’s not as if there aren’t other films or heroes who are not comparably problematic elsewhere. I find it perfectly understandable that DDLJ should be unacceptable to someone, just not sure whether this can be the ultimate test case for such an ideological litmus test. Take Baazigar. A film which I find abhorrent at a certain level. The premise here is that to take the revenge owed to a mother one can actually murder an innocent girl and that this is somehow ‘understandable’ (the film stages things this way and it cannot work for an audience without accepting this idea at some unconscious level at the very least). The original B grade Hollywood film that inspired this film didn’t quite have this tone to it. There is a lot that is ideologically deeply objectionable (depending on where one is coming from) but that doesn’t necessarily cancel out the film’s other strengths. So KKHH I find even more problematic at certain levels but it’s also simply poorer than DDLJ as a narrative. The extreme example here would be the cinematically important works of Leni Riefenstahl that are also ad campaigns for Nazism! Or D W Griffith’s seminal Birth of a Nation where the Ku Klux Klan is represented in heroic terms (incidentally Spike Lee’s current film makes wonderful use of this imagery). So even as I have always objected to DDLJ on various grounds I have also always found it very enjoyable.

    Back to Manmarziyaan. Here I’m not sure why the woman cheating her husband should be the end of the world. I know of course that no one wants a spouse to do this even if it is always far more ‘understandable’ when the man cheats! Notice how in the traditional triangle (including HDDCS which did of course take things further in certain ways) the woman’s sexuality is always suspended between the desires of the two male alternatives. It is not that after marriage the woman just realizes she has to be true to her marriage and forget her initial lover. It is also that she leaves her sexuality behind and becomes part of this more ‘spiritual’ union. None of these triangles contemplate what might happen if the woman were allowed to retain her sexuality or agency in this sense. Presumably more MM-like episodes after marriage? My suggestion here is it happens a lot more in life, and in every culture, than one thinks. Movies often present ideological ideals. The woman completely constrained by the sacred thread, the sacred vows and so on. Life sadly is not so simple. Now of course on the other side I don’t find MM’s ending entirely convincing. An open-ended ‘resolution’ would have worked far better with the Linklater-like logic of the final scene. Not just this, it would have better served the film’s overall logic. I think a Rumi/Vicky marriage would have been a disaster but I don’t find it easy to contemplate a Rumi/Robbie one either. In that marriage she would probably keep having slip-ups with Vicky. I suppose just as well that he’s truly out of the way and packed off to Australia by the end!

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    • As an aside I should also add that some of these discussions sometimes create the mistaken impression that one simply likes or dislikes a film in the easy sense. I often have problems with even some of the films I admire and adore. A ‘debate’ does not mean that one is trying to arrive at a final resolution. At least I don’t have that aim. If anything I prefer constantly revisiting things with fresh eyes (to the extent possible). Sometimes I am more critical of films that I like than those I don’t. There are no final judgments on films. On Manmarziyaan for example I have a positive piece but the last paragraph possibly deconstructs the entire film! I can see both perspectives here. That it is a feminist effort or that it doesn’t go far enough. A similar debate with respect to certainly two of its three leads (I happen to thing, contrary to many of the critics, that Abhishek’s character has the most grey of the three). This doesn’t mean all films are made equal. The richer film can be debated on more grounds than the poorer one. Similarly there can be a cultural criticism that uses certain films as ‘symptoms’ without considering those films otherwise valuable in any sense.

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      • I have more problems with RDB than DCH and yet picked this finally in the vote. Certainly have more issues with DDLJ than Swades and picked the former. I could keep multiplying these examples. And clearly it’s not just the obvious thing. I am not always picking movies that I’m ideologically more sympathetic to. With DDLJ/Swades though I’d say that they’re in a loose sense on the same side of the ideological divide. Dil Se emphatically isn’t. And here what I initially did not appreciate as much is that Ratnam uses precisely the Raj/Rahul character and places him in the Dil Se world. In this sense no other star would have been as suited for this film. The character’s narcissism, his cluelessness etc are also that of his audience (at least in the major metropolitan centers). Even today this is true. And again Raavan is profoundly connected with Dil Se. Both films are a bit of a shock much more to their Hindi audiences than their Tamil ones. Because the commercial traditions have evolved quite differently in the two industries over the last 25 years or so.

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    • Terrific note, Satyam. Absolutely brilliant analysis.

      Where I differ with you on MM is the ending. By the end, for better or worse, Rumi is completely besotted by Robbie. There is no scope for a late dalliance with Vicky or anyone else. She was moving in this direction anyway. Robbie’s sudden decision to break up seemed to have intensified her resolve. And Rumi is the most strong-headed character in the film.

      There is no other alternative explanation. And I actually prefer it this way!

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      • thanks much Saket.. though that really is too kind! On the rest though I certainly see your point. It’s a very fair reading of the ending.

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      • However note what happens if one accepts your version. Rumi is clearly more toned down towards the latter stages of the film. The ‘journey’ here is entirely hers. Both male characters retain their essential ‘nature’ if you will. The ‘hyper’ female however has to be domesticated just a bit. It’s certainly hard to imagine her operating with those energy levels in daily life with Robbie! What truly defines Rumi is what will have to be compromised in such a marriage. Now one can argue that there is something stereotypical about presenting more liberated women as so hyper in the first place but given that these are the terms of the debate (if you will) why does a failed romance cancel all of this out? We are not poles apart from HDDCS on this point. The bubbly, vivacious Ash character who’s dull and morose in the second half. In other words, if there a possibility for a woman to retain her core or her essential nature after surviving great disappointment? The reason I cannot as easily contemplate a happy marriage for Rumi-Robbie is because I think (or perhaps hope!) that Rumi’s spirit will eventually get the better of her. But if I go with your reading it would have to be tamed more than a little bit. And again Linklater is a useful reference here. For the logic of the initial two films to work it must be the case that the institutionalization of romance in marriage always entails a loss of sorts. There is no resolution for such a problem which is why the third film must also be open-ended; this despite the fact that they’ve been together for so long.

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        • And again Linklater is a useful reference here. For the logic of the initial two films to work it must be the case that the institutionalization of romance in marriage always entails a loss of sorts.

          Precisely. Rumi was independent, free-spirited and full of verve when she’s with Vicky. There is no reason to assume that she would be any different even after marriage with Robbie. A toned down perhaps but a guy like Robbie allows her the space to be herself even with the constraints of marriage. I think that’s the reason why she’s besotted with him in the end.

          With Vicky, she has her freedom, but she also has the additional headache of mothering a man-child.

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        • RE: “…Now one can argue that there is something stereotypical about presenting more liberated women as so hyper in the first place but given that these are the terms of the debate (if you will) why does a failed romance cancel all of this out? We are not poles apart from HDDCS on this point. The bubbly, vivacious Ash character who’s dull and morose in the second half. In other words, if there a possibility for a woman to retain her core or her essential nature after surviving great disappointment?”

          This is an excellent point — and it’s highly problematic because it frames the “essence” of the woman (i.e. her essential personality) as primarily in relation to a man (the man she has lost, the man she is with).

          In general this has been a superb discussion from all of you, thanks!

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    • A bloke will try to win over the family by hook or crook (to be with someone he loves even if it means another guy misses out) – impressing the parents without them knowing who he is, is possible (as a friend my gf can introduce me and I could put on the good boy act, mum/dad jays my best friend bla bla bla, he’s so cool. When he leaves, slip the question did you like jay?) than accept a cheating wife back after he openly gives her the choice to pick the other guy. But in the world Kashyap creates I find it fine with how the film unfolds. It’s a 1 in 100 scenario.

      The other point is Robbie rats her out, she doesn’t confess to her cheating first. So I don’t agree she does everything ‘openly’, she cheats secretly and her mind is full of guilt afterwards, but not enough to confess. Does she confess if not caught? That’s a moral point. My point is it’s not particularly moral. She’s cheated and got caught. Without being caught she might hate herself for cheating or carry on because she can get away with it.

      My DDLJ comments in general are towards the video of Raj hitting on Simran and her reaction. She reacts enough to let him know she’s not interested. Does a girl fall for a Raj like that – maybe only in YRF and maybe only in Kashyap land does man accept back a wife that cheated on her with the same guy he knows of and has given her opportunities to go back to. And maybe only in Kjo land does a groom hand over his wife at his wedding to another guy and dance about it!

      It’s all films, anything goes!

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      • Good point on the cheating in MM. what would she have done otherwise ? It’s a crucial question. Having said that there are questions of honesty that are perhaps not covered by this sort of (bourgeois) framing . Which is why Robbie isn’t as offended by the cheating and much more so by the question she cannot answer. Put differently if one can ‘possess’ a woman’s body through marriage and can also be sure that she isn’t giving her body to anyone else perhaps that’s one definition of honesty. But what if she’s secretly in love with someone else and continues to be so? Most people wouldn’t define this as cheating but if a woman doesn’t tell her husband this is she necessarily more honest than in that other scenario? The debate might then actually just be about the woman’s body .

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      • Yes, in films everything and anything goes. But there is a subtlety involved.

        Each movie has a universe, with its own set of rules. We don’t know black holes from black panther but we accept the Interstellar universe.

        Similarly in MM, people have actually objected to Robbie only speaking Hindi. Not Punjabi. Maybe he’s Sardar who only speaks Punjabi, I don’t counter that logic.

        One otherwise good critique of MM pointed out that Rumi has no friends. I have no issues with it. She’s the kind of person who could live all by herself. Again I don’t question the logic of the movie-verse, if you will.

        But if there are inconsistencies in a movie-verse, they create a problem. Raj’s character is shown to be a real jerk, initially at least, who doesn’t think twice before hurting/insulting people. For him to actually grow a spine and not elope in the end is entirely opposite to what has transpired in the beginning. That’s where most people begin to roll their eyes.

        In MM, it’s quite clearly shown that she cheats Robbie once. That’s it. The second time she meets Vicky she’s clearly heard saying Baat karne ke liye bulaya hai tou baat kar na. She has only gone there to talk. But yes, she is caught by Robbie. And she clarifies in the end that she couldn’t speak the truth (that when she makes love to Robbie, she doesn’t think of Vicky anymore) because Vicky wouldn’t let her go. Robbie is a guy who isn’t too worried about infidelity as such — he definitely is, to some extent, but he’s more concerned that she still thinks of Vicky when Rumi’s with her. That’s what hurts him the most.

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        • Fittingly in keeping with Rumi’s character I think she should confess in a huge argument that she slept with Vicky. It’s her character, she wouldn’t give a crap only after that she will start to care…

          Let’s leave DDLJ alone. It’s not a serious film to carve out character definitions! It’s a romantic comedy period. That it won is just the luck of the draw! You will win that debate hands down! I have no motivation to be DDLJ’s torch bearer in the absence of SRK fans! I give in…

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  69. Big B too.This proves that this has nothing to do with upbringing.My God.

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    • I don’t buy it at all.. it would take something pretty substantial to change my mind. I’m referring specifically to sexual harassment (which is different from some other stuff that goes on). Certain things don’t ring true as a psychological matter. Of course I do agree that ‘upbringing’ has nothing to do with it but that’s a bourgeois fiction anyway.

      In a similar sense I believe Varun Grover (and Kashyap, his handling of the Vikas Bahl thing might have been questionable but I don’t think he was nodding and winking at it as some have suggested). Of course I cannot know for sure on any of these matters but I’m also wary of the lynch mob mentality on social media. Sometimes when you have power you behead everyone in sight!

      But again I’d just say what I have in my comment. Glad all this stuff is coming out (irrespective of whoever it is if they are truly responsible for these things) but there is something pornographic about ten new stories every day. There is something titillating about many of the accounts (the same is true for all these things in Hollywood and in other fields in the West). And connected to this is the fact that every new story is just more ‘sensation’ and it doesn’t really matter how much is true or not etc. A certain mob logic takes over where people are just looking for the next head, often the biggest one. Finally I am always sympathetic to anyone who’s had to go through any such thing but precisely because I refuse to see people ‘only’ as ‘victims’ that I also believe they are capable of let’s say not being completely honest in their ‘reporting’. Not everyone of course but one might ‘expose’ one harasser and not another (how does one choose?) and so on. Also sexual harassment let alone anything worse is a serious problem, it shouldn’t for example be collapsed into all kinds of flirtatious behavior and the like.

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      • Already said above. I think this needs to stop. World will not change by bringing out past skeletons. Girls should just make sure you don’t let this happen anymore. What’s the point in bringing decade old issues and ruin Bollywood for everyone?

        Women needs to realize to speak when it happens and at least needs to courage after this #Metoo movement. Let it begin a new beginning from now and instead of opening old issues.

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        • to be honest I don’t have a problem with people being shamed if they’ve really done those things. Whoever they are. And yes there is an uncontrolled quality to social media where anyone can say anything and everything and then disappear. But when the pendulum swings there are always excesses on the other side as well.

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        • You can’t just sweep stuff under the carpet because it will ruin an industry. If it’s a systemic problem it needs dealing with. The idea that we just reset the clock is ludicrous.

          It’s silly how things are coming out but unfortunately it’s the only way the process has been set up.

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          • I don’t agree. Times change and people become more aware and society evolves. If anyone is doing this basically this weekend with any women at workplace even after this Metoo wave, that is more punishment worthy than someone who did it 30 years back. I know its weird to hear but that’s what I believe. You really can’t judge previous actions with today’s rules and awareness. If so all of last century will look uncivilized. That’s the evolution of society and human life.

            For example, in India people used to make fun of handicap person till 70s, 80s and even who are dwarf and abnormal. Then slow and steady society evolved and rules set in place and now people don’t laugh seeing a dwarf right away. It takes years but change will come. Now you can’t go back in history and punish who all laughed at handicap ppl 70’s coz the times were different.

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          • But almost all of this stuff is happening right now! It’s certainly true that standards change on many things but being insensitive is a bit different than sexually exploiting or assaulting people.

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          • Let me say this in the nicest way possible. How would you feel if this was someone very close to you? You’ve got to personalize this to understand it. Who gives a monkeys about Bollywood if it’s built around this! It’s a big fat joke!

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          • And if it’s legally prosecutable from X years ago then it’s legal to do it (that tells if it was bad now it was bad then). You’re talking about a bad culture here that existed and turning a blind eye to it without learning anything from it. I guarantee you this stuff will go on as long as people think they can get way with it. If you’re not firm, that’s opportunity enough.

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          • The issue is that there is clear difference between rape and give and take. Take for Vinta Nanda’s example. She was top producer in 1994 with her show Tara reining the ratings all over. She had 4 other shows. She says that Alok Nath assaulted her after mixing but she don’t remember him directly for the 1st assault. It is fine. Accepted. Then for 2nd time, she went to his house coz he was the lead actor and for her to get that project, she went to his house and let him violate her as she needed the money. Now, is that rape? Technically it is not. She is doing basically give and take. If being so successful, she is succumbing to an actor to get a project, what you expect stragglers to do who don’t even have a month’s salary? She did that got that TV show and now she’s complaining on him. What is the logic here? That she had to compromise to get the show? Read the issue clearly once again. This was the choice folks did to move ahead in career that time. Now, how can anyone complain now after her career is done?

            I totally empathize with Vinta Nanda and her post is heart breaking. But just playing a devil’s advocate that people have compromised to get ahead in career and if they complain now its really pointless.

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          • I don’t know the details of the case you’re referring to. I haven’t been all that interested to get into the weeds with each new allegation. However, most of this stuff is not voluntary and not transactional in any simple or easy sense. This is the point people often miss. If it were that transactional it would be one thing but here almost all the power lies on one side of the equation. Women are extremely vulnerable. Which is why even the transactional aspect works better when women are in relatively better positions (they’ve made it as actresses or whatever). When you’re nobody it’s not really a transaction because people can promise anything and not come through. Similarly the worst kind of exploitation also occurs through a kind of slippery slope. You compromise once then again and so on. Also remember women have their own vulnerabilities in these situations even otherwise. They don’t all come from privileged backgrounds. They’ve often struggled or broken a number of societal norms just to get to even the initial point. It’s not always easy to turn back. Even if a woman is doing it because she wants to achieve something in the industry it doesn’t mean she deserves to be treated this way. ‘Give and take’ is too callous a way of describing this whole situation (sorry to be blunt about it). Women are passed around as a matter of course, they’re humiliated in all sorts of ways, they’re assaulted, raped, etc etc. This is serious stuff. It isn’t just lewdness or people passing comments or something (though that would be bad enough). Whatever their reasons for putting up with it I can’t judge them and say ‘you hung around so don’t complain’! And again this doesn’t mean that everyone who’s named is equally guilty or even guilty at all, we’ve already discussed that here. But the stuff that has happened and still happens is too serious. Once more all these stories are from the recent past, not from a hundred years ago. even the latter wouldn’t make it right.

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          • Just reverse the situation. Do men do this i.e. are their any men coming out with these stories? One gender is being treated differently to another, how is that difficult to understand? Fine it’s cultural or whatever – that is not a defence. 99% of the time the female is telling the story, is that not evidence enough of foul play?

            I haven’t got into each separate story – my comments are at a general level. Case by case everything will be different, that’s reality.

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          • Master (to be honest anyone with a pulse should watch it) watch this video – it is American focused and came out few days back…it is reality. I also believe a lot of stupid stuff will be made up but with some rigour some of it can be ‘managed’ out.

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    • This lady Sapna looks like a loose canon… fromer bigg boss inmate… Just look at her instagram pictures in front of BibB’s wax statue

      https://www.instagram.com/sapnamotibhavnani/

      I doubt there will be any such story coming out on BigB… Salman Khan on the other hand a known predator and should be outed.. Blind items regarding him is already out on pinkvilla today

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  70. This Sapna Bhavnani whoever, one Pooja Mishra somebody ranting away into a camera…how justified are these tweets and messages from these social media banshees? I have never liked twitter, even though I occasionally take a dip in its murky waters. I go there looking for some sensible talk that still survives. These days the place is full of these mob lynchers, waiting to bring down men who in their opinion deserve public shaming.

    This MeToo activity is fine in limited controlled doses. People who abuse their position, who make life miserable for working girls, such harassers need to be called out. But the whole business seems to be spinning out of control, beyond what is proper.

    Amitabh at 75 — does he need the sort of shaming being threatened.? Can’t one just let him be? After all, there has been enough gossipy insinuations through the years.Yet I am positive he would not have caused distress to a career girl’s prospects, in the manner of the despicable MJAkbar or the sleazy Sajid Khan.

    What is going to be achieved by making wild accusations on twitter against big names that keep the film industry going? Films are an eeconomic activity that keep many home fires burning. Some twitter trash are calling for an economic boycott of Bollywood. How irresponsible and selfish do you have to be to make such a call. And it is not as if South film industries are any holier. But except for veteran lyricist Vairamuthu, none have been called out for sexual harassment.

    Let people decide for themselves if they wish to watch a film.

    Ditto with non- film boycott.

    Will any of these highly opinionated shriekers on twitter bother to boycott a Hollywood film because Harvey Weinstein was its producer some years back?

    A friend on fb, another female like me, is also upset at the lynch mob mentality of the MeToo accuserati strutting around, threatening to selectively kill careers and economic futures.

    We are living in truly terrible times. Mind you I am glad that workplace harassment may reduce thanks to this activity. But it is not right to threaten ruin on somebody who may have provided you with decades of entertainment.

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    • Metoo is pure chaos. I’ve got some pretty firm views on it and are very similar to yours. Twitter is not the place for this. And the way this Big B tweet is set up, it’s like a teaser to a trailer! If you have something to say, just say it! If it’s true then so be it. It will be most unfortunate and disgusting but leaving it on a cliffhanger is so insensitive IMO.

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  73. I haven’t spoken about this movement much as I didn’t want to sound overly sanctimonious but one day I just went on Twitter and read through the entire #metoo hashtag. I was horrified beyond words to read stories coming from ordinary women. Not celebrity scandals or horror stories in journalism, but voices from the common folk in India. To think that for every female who’s sharing her story on Twitter, there are literally thousands in India who don’t even have access to social media is just mind-numbing.

    And if we go further back in time, there must be millions/billions of females who have been exploited by a patriarchal society like India’s. Our patriarchal setup, that we have enabled over centuries. The whole thought is just sickening. I can only offer my complete support to the current outpouring of emotions. It’s been long, long overdue. Across religion, across caste, creed and social ladders, the one thread that is common is female exploitation. There is just no excuse for this. Let the cleansing continue. We need this for a better today and a better, equitable future, tomorrow.

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    • Sacred Games has a fantastic instance of an actress who plays a Goddess on TV, felling demons with her power, being exploited at night by the show’s Producer. That’s precisely how we treat our women.

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    • I agree with a great deal here. The only thing I’d say is that the Hollywood stories are exactly the same sort. There really is no difference. But where you’re right is that this age old patriarchal system still survives and even more awfully outside the movie industry. In other words there might be a kind of parity among different movie industries around the world, irrespective of cultural differences, in the ways in which women are treated. But what happens in India elsewhere (though there are many places like it) is not as common. Gayatri Spivak after the Delhi rape case said that ‘we have a rape culture in India’ and she meant this in the deepest institutional sense. She of course caused offense when she said this. Again it’s not the only such country by any means. And of course when women are also poor and/or lower caste then it’s another terrifying reality altogether.

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      • Rape culture in india, are you referring to Muslims because they were invaders to India? because that is below belt and uncalled for. The hindu or muslims of India or indian culture in general doesn’t stand for rape. Even as heinous crime of nirbhaya rape case, where accused were from slums of Delhi, the mother of one of the rapist was so ashamed of herself and that this son was born of her. If it was part of “indian culture”, she would havev said “good job son, today I am proud of you”. Show me one Indian mother, across all religions and states who will stand by their sons who rape? I challenge you.
        And this is from slums where education and culture are supposed to be low. It is possibly the only culture in the world, where female-or mother is worshipped instead of just the ‘holy father in heaven’ that Spivak is familiar with. Even though indian muslims have problem bowing down to the ‘mother’ or bharat mata ki jai issues, that your comment referrs to, there is lot dilution of typical islam in India. So yhea I did not expect you to have made this Hrithik Roshan type comment on this subject. Spivak or foreigner element will run down India, everytime there is a crime. Drugs are Indian culture (after all they drink bhang). It is as juvenile a statement as that!!!
        Rape is not a culture issue, it is a man issue. Men will and men in power will, do bad things to one who is powerless. It could be a powerless woman or a child or a man.
        IF you give a woman this power, then ask YRF casting agent. She will also use that power. In ways that is inappropriate.

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        • As an aside, Muslims who have issues with “Bharat as mother” is NOT because of any issue with mother, it is because of orthodox Islam’s position on idolatry. Off topic, but worth clarifying — ie it has nothing to do with FEMALES, but even “Bharat my father” with a male deity would present same issue.

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          • I do agree that rape culture is not the property of any one culture: India’s long tradition of caste-based rapes clearly owes nothing to any Islamic invasion, and predominantly Muslim- and Christian societies’ issues with patriarchy are also well known (and then there is the overlay of entirely secular forms of oppression at the intersection of class and gender, such as the European feudal “droit de seigneur” concept where the feudal lord theoretically had first right to women; none too dissimilar sorts of practices are seen in the sub-continent as well, although not in the more tribal — as opposed to agricultural — communities, such as many advisasis, Pathans, etc., which tend to be more egalitarian than their more “settled” counterparts). What is clear is that the struggle against oppression of women has to be waged on “local” as well as “Global” terrain, because it will and must look different every time. For instance the notion that one can humiliate a community by raping “their women” is something that would have been well understood in the US 150 years ago, in Sicily 50 years ago, in India and Pakistan very much so today, etc.

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          • And I just came across this…wt:
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            If you breastfeed your sons, you are training them to be rapists when they grow up. You’re basically teaching them that they can touch a woman’s body whenever they want.

            If you oppose rape, stop breastfeeding boys!

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          • Dumbest tweet ever this…

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        • Swati, with all due respect this too is a classic symptom of Indian culture (it doesn’t only happen in India of course) — the complete inability to take criticism constructively and to become defensive in a very knee-jerk way (and blame the ‘foreigners’ for good measure). Your angry (and frankly paranoid) response depends on a very poor reading of my comment. Nonetheless I’ll try to explain it this way…

          If I say there is a culture of sexual exploitation or sexual harassment or sexual assault in Bollywood (or Hollywood or whatever) this doesn’t mean that Sajid Khan’s mom advised him to do this when she was raising him! It simply means that such a culture is not only tolerated but fostered in the industry. It is about power (have only said this a dozen times in previous comments) which is why people often start doing this things after acquiring power or getting somewhere in the industry and have otherwise been pretty normal people in their ordinary lives. But the gender imbalance holds elsewhere in the larger society as well and whenever power is similarly asymmetrical it is manifested in the same sort of way (in politics or with powerful men in just about any field…).

          Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak incidentally isn’t a foreigner. She teaches in the US but she’s been doing fieldwork in the villages of Bengal for 35 years or so in addition to various other annual commitments in India for many years. It’s not a bad strategy in life to sometimes know what one is talking about. Then one can get angry (or not). The ‘rape culture’ reference on her part is about a larger societal structure that legitimizes the forcible possession of women’s bodies using various excuses. In other words ‘rape’ isn’t just the obvious situation we see in the movies. It can occur elsewhere too where it is not defined as such, where it is legitimized in various ways. All the revenge rapes sanctioned by various village panchayats (all over the subcontinent, not only in India), all the forced marriages that are the result of nothing more lofty than sexual desire, all the young teenagers who are married to older men (historically this was a much esteemed institution), all the rapes that occur everywhere in India in all kinds of situations that make India by some statistical measures one of the world’s leaders in such incidents, all the sexual harassment on public forms of transport, one could go on and on. Not all the sexual assault in these categories is defined as such, it is often explained away in other ways.

          In Dostana (Bachchan Sr’s film, not Jr’s) there is a moment when Zeenat Man provocatively dressed shows up at the police station with her ‘eve-teaser’. The police inspector (Bachchan) locks up the latter but then also offers insulting advice to the woman for dressing up that way in the first place. He says that ‘aise kapde pehan kar aap baher niklengi to gundon ki seetiyan nai to kya mandir ki ghantiyan bajengi?’ Growing up I used to find this scene very humorous. Today I understand it for the sexist farce it is. This too is a cultural symptom. People believe these things (again not only in India) — that women who dress in certain ways are more likely to get assaulted or raped (actually there is no statistical evidence to support such a claim).

          Again back to Spivak’s comment. Sexual assault can be sanctioned in all sorts of ways by a society. We’ve just concluded the terrible Kavanaugh hearings in the US (for the Supreme Ct). These were once again an example of how even the #metoo age things are so difficult for women (and so easy for men to get away with). One can rest assured that India wouldn’t suddenly be better in its treatment of women than the US or UK or whatever when in every other such question of social justice it’s much worse (religion, caste, ethnicity etc).

          Finally to say something is part of a culture doesn’t mean it’s ‘natural’ in any sense. Everything has a history. The caste system is ancient but nonetheless began at some point. It’s not natural in some deeper sense. The same holds true for every other kind of attitude.

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    • The saddest irony of the #metoo movement globally is that the only guy who openly admitted he liked doing these things to women and was recorded doing so nonetheless managed to win and election. And of course Kavanugh just made it to the Supreme Ct despite everything. This in America. The more things change…

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      • Yes, an irony, a sad one.

        What’s even more sad is that about 60 million people just in USA are perfectly okay with it including many hindu gujjus in Tri-State area (I’m sure it’s same thru out USA). Why, because Trump displays hate for muslims. So just for this one reason, 7 khoon maaf. And it’s same for many of the 60 million people in USA.

        I hope they lose house and everything Nov 6th.

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    • Very good read

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  74. Big B, Salman and SRK wont be able to escape this it seems. Maybe just a matter of time now.

    Aamir has changed ways since Kiran came in his life, so he is perhaps safe unless Fatima changes her mind and decides to switch careers at this point.

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  75. Those who think bollywood audience is naive or were unaware of all this for all these years must be overgrown children here!

    All this noise is just tamasha for them (like bollywood masala films or salman khan). As for the industry, this twitter noise has created a PR war that is being used to shift some power dynamics.

    Lage Raho!

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  76. About Parveen Amitabh incident … Can someone show any single story/article where Parveen accused him about sexual harassment ?? Yes she said that he is Gangster and trying to Kidnap and Kill her in some island … But when she imposed any molestation charges ?? https://www.filmibeat.com/bollywood/features/2017/parveen-babi-claimed-amitabh-bachchan-tried-to-kidnap-kill-her/articlecontent-pf199757-257951.html

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    • And this is what Parveen said about Amitabh in 1983 interview …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s06546jOA4E

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      • Who is talking about Parveen babi and where? I don’t know why you responding with Parveen babi incident during the metoo allegations.

        Already Sapna and 1 author and 1 journalist have commented about Big B. This is very sad to even read. Amitabh is almost the peak actor in India if he ever gets labelled. There’s another one.. who is the peak character about this metoo movement in India. It is Mahatma Gandhi who used teen girls in his ashram and exploited them (without having sex but sleeping naked with him). I don’t think that will ever happen.

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      • Master, many folks on twitter taking this opportunity and labelling him as Parveen Babi molester … I know only those who hate AB will do all this, and any defense will not serve any purpose, as that will be easily ignored.

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  77. Sapna was in bigboss if I am not mistaken. She fought with Salman and he did not like it.

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    • Yes same Sapna. She tweets so much negative about Salman. Even that episode she fought with him and wanted to walk out of the show but all that was deleted. She hates Salman to the core as he abused women. Now, she’s calling out Amitabh openly too.

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      • Sapna was seen as a contestant on Bigg Boss 6, of which Salman was the host. On being asked about her Bigg Boss 6 experience Sapna said, “You have a male chauvinistic f***ing pig as a host of this f***ing show, that insults people, so people watch the show, and people worship him on the show because people want a job in one of his stupid f***-all movies where he dances like a monkey – that’s Bigg Boss in a nutshell.”

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        • Haha! Sapna is outrageous!

          Meanwhile I got this information while googling.

          Susheela Kamath (spelt as Sushila Kamat, ) was never Jaya Bhaduri’s secretary, though she was instrumental in getting Jaya into the film industry. Jaya was new to the industry and Sushila was a veteran and assisted Hrishikesh Mukherjee and financed almost all the movies. Sushila had 2 Mercedes Benz then in 1960-70s and used to take around Jaya to the producers. People thought her to be Jayas secretary, which she did not mind and later even admitted to it. She was a Scholar in Physics and Maths, and a gold medalist. She was a professor in Aden, Yemen in 60s-70s. She was instrumental in Bhupender Singh taking up singing who had come to become a hero. She gave Nana Patekar his 1st break as a hero in a Marathi movie against then top heroine Ranjana Deshmukh in 1980. She was self-made, strong lady who lived her life to the fullest in her own terms.

          https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0436451/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia

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  78. aamirsaurabh Says:

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    • This is an old case and should not even part of Metoo. This was clear assault and victim complained right away to cops next day. He was arrested and released on bail. Metoo cases is about women who are scared to open up their harassment and been hiding coz of fear. Those who complaint same day and case has been filed, how is that even part of this movement?

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      • “Those who complaint same day and case has been filed, how is that even part of this movement?”

        It’s not but aamir [edited] fans like aamirsaurabh, marcus has their agenda. just go thru any posts and read their comments.

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  79. Reality shows for very small girls where parents push their girls to do jhatkas and matkas like madhuri dixit and Sridevi to filmy numbers. Even small boys do it in their own way. And the dance shows where couples participate they encourage them to get closer and closer and whistle. More whistles if they almost do it publicly. Famous dance directors are judges. The craze starts here. And many talentless girls and some talented ones already know what the bargain is and offer themselves to whoever promises them roles or small parts. This fact encourages predators and they get used to these overtures.
    The big heroines want to work with the big banners and big directors and there are more of them. Means supply is more than demand. Some bold ones go ahead and compromise to get that coveted role or coveted banner.
    Does these things justify these animalistic behaviour patterns from the predators?

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    • Do these things justify these animalistic or sadistic behaviour patterns from the predators?

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      • Sanjana I m not able to reply directly against ur question where u r asking are predaters justified after mentioning abt TV dance shows.

        Nothing justifies this wrong.NOTHING.It though is very very sad thinking what kind of Crap these TV shows are all abt even though i dont watch TV much but i m very much aware of all this.I believe moral and ethical stand is required not only in harassment but in some other things as well like corruption.

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        • I work at Hindalco(Aditya Birla Group flagship company) and 80%(cld be even more) staff working along with me are corrupt.My immideate boss from 2013-17 was someone as corrupt as it gets in a private organisation.Everyone in Chain was doing wrong doings either through contract bills or earning through vested intrests from material vendors.I till few months back was a material planner and I cld have earned Lacs of INR as everyone around me was doing but I just cld not even think of doing all this.Then I realised to what extent corruption is there in DNA of most Indians.I m not saying all but a lot a lot of them are corrupt.Population and corruption are two biggest problems holding growth of our country.

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          • Population can be an asset but in your story it’s awful and the pits if most people are like this. Corruption can only get fixed top down IMO. The common person is not in a position of strength to affect more than X people. But some people at the top can really reach out and change things.

            I have to say I’ve worked with many Indians via offshore scenarios. Only once did I encounter a very bad situation. A woman came to London for work training and decided to steal in broad daylight a phone. She was caught by a fellow offshore colleague, he gave her one chance by telling her what he saw. He was deeply suspicious. He decided to leave his wallet in his hotel room and recorded to see what would happen. She stole it. He then raised it – sacked on the spot. Good on him. Sometimes I never understand someone who is corrupt or steals. ‘If’ I was that person I would not think to steal a phone (something so trivial to lose a job over and potentially future employability). It’s pretty stupid. In general whomever I have worked with is very hardworking and frankly under utilised and generally disposable but given a real chance a great asset. But I guess offshore institutions employ individuals of very high calibre and morals but I can’t answer that unless I work in India one day.

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          • That girl who stole maybe a klepto. they just cant control this urge and they try to steal in big shopping malls too but CCTVs are a big deterrent for them. Corruption is different.

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          • Corruption is different but works on the same premise of hiding things, deceitfulness, cheating etc. It just hurts a wider base of people.

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          • Jayshah in India situation is dynamically opposite.It’s all abt self satisfaction.If a person earning 25 Lacs PA living in a remote place with everything cheap is not satisfied then u can imagine.I m talking abt ex immideate boss.I went into a mental depression coz of him.It’s not only him most around me are like that but he is at an altogether another level.

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          • Depressing stuff. One other guy did my head in. Came over for 2 months, did no work hardly and employed me as his tourist guide planner for weekends. Every Friday I’m mapping out his train routes etc. Explaining the London underground network is difficult but this bozzo was pretty thick and needed it explained many times over. He wanted me to come along – I seriously can’t be around bozzo’s like that for too long before I want to knock myself out!

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          • I really don’t think without a strong middle class countries can move on, I doubt there is any economic theory behind what I just said but that middle populas has to be strong and very large % wise to make things work. India just has that classic pyramid where the bottom is extremely fat and the top very thin and the Inbetweener is neither here nor there.

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          • This corruption you talk about AS, wasn’t always like this. Also another annoying thing is the attitude towards work. It is pathetic. Everyone from a teeny-tiny clerk to top manager in a bank or institution, acts as if they are doing you a favor!! The HR back office is outsourced to our office, india and people do processing of disability leave etc but do it as if they are doing a great favour while the person working has submitted all paper work such as doctor notes, forms and is part of their benefit package. This is just one example. To me this “corruption” is more annoying t han actual bribes even. There should be healthy attitude towards doing ones duties.

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        • It begins with the movies. If one isn’t inclined to take a moral or ethical stand on movies, then what chance does he/she have to take a stand on other issues?

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          • @ Saket do you really give that much importance to movies? It really starts in the home surely.

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          • Everything we do, every choice we make, is a reflection of our moral/ethical inner self. It’s true that our family upbringing shapes our personality in a big way but one can outgrow that, provided one is willing.

            The whole idea of outgrowing early influences is dependent on what experiences we subject ourselves to. And movies, across genres, across countries, across time, is a great way of openings one’s mind to different thoughts and ideas. Once that happens, it’s relatively easy to develop one’s own sense of morality and ethics. Independently, that is. It’s also a rather fun way of developing one’s inner consciousness and looking at different points of view. So yeah, watching great cinema is a precursor to some heavy moral lifting. At least I think so!

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          • The other thing is, if one is so casual about a simple thing as watching movies that he/she will watch any garbage film that comes out in the name of entertainment, then what chance do such people have when it comes to taking an ethical/educated stand? I’d argue, hardly any!

            If one acts like a zombie about simple things in life, then he/she is likely to be a zombie otherwise too! That’s my theory anyway.

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  80. Those in glass houses should not throw stones. We should resist the temptation of hinting at actors and directors who are not named or shamed. Tomorrow some lady may throw the same allegation on our favourites. It is an uncertain world.

    And I will not rule out the possibility of some of these accusers turning around and saying that their publicists or friends made them do so. After getting hush money. Some may actually use this opportunity to make some quick good money. Already some have started giving character certificates to some of the accused.

    These are rich and powerful people and they wont keep quiet. And some of them have underworld connections too. If money does not work they will use other tactics.

    I am being cynical here.

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  81. IdeaUnique Says:

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    Meanwhile, Shobhaa De is all over the place with her tweets and blogs and what not!

    https://twitter.com/DeShobhaa?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    • She is enjoying. She knows many secrets.

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        ha! Malya’s cruise-parties were witnesses to a regular guest – Ms. De! and despite knowing the local-debonair-does-what there, she was very happy to be a party to that….surely she knows a lot 😉 guilty pleasure? 🙂

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        • Reading her tweets and blogs is my guilty pleasure! I am bored of her trollers who age shame her and call her a porn writer repeatedly.

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  83. Amid the gathering storm, Bollywood’s reaction to the allegations has bordered on the dismissive. While a few actresses have stood up for Dutta, most others have maintained a stoic silence. The silent brigade incl­udes the biggest name of them all, Amitabh Bachchan, who had moved the nation to tears as a lawyer in the 2016 movie Pink, arguing in court that a woman’s “no means no”. The cine artistes’ association expressed regret for not helping Dutta earlier. But then, Bollywood is guilty of making stalking glamorous and the Shahrukhs and Salmans have inspired millions of Indians not to take no for an answer and go after the women they fancy. (Star Hush Inc.)

    https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/metoo-men-should-realise-no-means-no/300763

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  84. Another journalist comes out against Chetan Bhagat. This time it’s really serious — calls him a serial offender.

    #MeToo: Author Ira Trivedi Calls Out Chetan Bhagat, Suhel Seth

    When I heard the accounts from those who came out privately, it seemed to me that the same story – the same behaviour and the familiar sense of entitlement — repeated itself, every time: Chetan Bhagat comes across a young woman, up-and-coming in her profession. The woman is friendly with him because he is, after all, Chetan Bhagat. Much like one of his novels, Chetan sets the scene through phone-flirting and then when – and if – he meets her in person alone, he makes his move, whether she likes it or not, whether it is appropriate or not, whether it hurts her, his family or not.

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  85. IdeaUnique Says:

    the stunning wifey comes to the rescue of T-series baron….Divya is one of the most stunning celebrity-wives and Bhushan is very lucky to have her….remember her with Big B’s film Ab tumhare hawale….and suddenly she chose the marriage life and she has lived very gracefully so far….i wish bhushan comes out clean….the man is straight forward until someone comes up with a genuine faux-pas…..the claim against him is anonymous at the moment…

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    • Some of these reactions are now bordering on hysterical — I honestly don’t see what is so offensive in Farhan’s remarks on Sajid Khan; how is it NOT supporting the victims?! A bunch of folks are getting a chance to feel virtuous at very low “cost” here!

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  87. Addressing it as hypocrisy, Aditi took to Twitter and wrote, “Slow clap for the dizzying heights of hypocrisy… People who are clearly guilty of major harassment giving gyaan on the #MeTooIndia movement…”
    AND
    Height of hypocrisy: Women who know that their husbands have sexually abused so many women are so shamelessly giving gyaan on #MeToo!!! It would help if they can keep their husbands under check

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  88. aamirsaurabh Says:

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  90. Vinod Dua !!!

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  91. #MeToo: Women Directors Vow Not To Work With Proven Offenders
    Konkona Sensharma, Nandita Das, Meghna Gulzar and other filmmakers have pledged their support to India’s #MeToo movement
    Entertainment | Press Trust of India | Updated: October 14, 2018 14:05 IST

    https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/metoo-women-directors-vow-not-to-work-with-proven-offenders-1931879?pfrom=home-lateststories

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  92. IdeaUnique Says:

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/metoo-mj-akbar-issues-statement-says-allegations-false-and-fabricated/articleshow/66204026.cms

    the question is – does Indian law back such accusation by women after considerable amount of time has passed? Rooney and other law-friends here can shed some more light…..otherwise, this whole #metoo can be misused also by women seeking free publicity? anyway, it has opened a debate nation-wide

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  93. The Delhi Commission for Women (DCW) has launched a separate email address to report cases of sexual harassment under the #MeToo movement. The DCW has set up a separate email id for reporting the complaints at metoodcw@gmail.com. One can also call 181 for any assistance regarding the same, the DCW said in a statement.

    The commission has also appealed to the women of the #MeToo campaign to report the incidents of sexual crimes to the police and women commissions, it said. “This reporting will pave the path for putting these sexual predators behind bars, something that should have been done long ago,” it added.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/delhi-commission-for-women-launches-separate-email-id-to-report-cases-of-sexual-harassment-under-metoo-5401554/

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  94. MJ Akbar does not resign. Vairamuthu is adamant and Subhash Ghai is acting the benevolent grandfather. The whole movement has taken a u turn.

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    • that’s the way it’s been in the US too. All the big stories, eventually these died down. Unfortunately the authentic and the fake (on every subject) are equally part of the news cycle (this is the reason Trump works in such a system.. he keeps putting out fiction.. the boundary between the real and the invented completely disappears). And people move on. From plane crashes and hurricanes to political scandals and tales of sexual harassment (and worse).. the story eventually gets stale. Such is the world we live in. And things go on as before. Again it’s good all of these stories have surfaced, certainly many men will now think twice about things. But by and large, for the vast majority of men who have done these things, there were no consequences (some nervous moments perhaps!). And for the vast majority this will be an ongoing thing as well. Again power when it’s so asymmetric is not shamed so easily much less defeated. Still we must try where we can to bring these things to the surface. My only point was that the reality turns out to be ultimately more disheartening, every which way. Incidentally when some of these stories surfaced in France there the sense was that people weren’t even taking it seriously!

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      • True. Reality is so disheartening. It really pains to see genuine offenders get away. I will hold the media rsponsible for this – for turning it into a circus. If atleast workplace environment is strengthened , then some good would have come of it.

        Women really seem to have only two choices – give in or quit.
        Sad

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  95. 456 responses or comments and still counting!

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  96. Extreme !!!

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  97. Shobhaa De Retweeted
    Mihira Sood
    Mihira Sood
    @mihira_sood
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    Oct 9
    When is the #metoo storm going to hit Bollywood A listers? The husbands of celeb feminists, the bad boys who never grow into being humans, the grandfatherly pillars of the industry who pimp out actresses to their friends?

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      ha ha….Chetan may not be a saing….but Ira also does not come across as a “poor me” kind of woman….some of these women are street-smart and knows that “being woman” will immediately grant them a million eyeballs and well…..this country never lacks showering sympathy….@Latha – ur above comment – fully agree- but who is going to decide whether a woman is genuinely harassed in the past or is just acting out some kind of jealousy or vengeance or just “behti ganga me haath dholo” kind of soda-bottle rush??? who is going to decide that? and it is easy to target celebrities….and they have a right to defend themselves….it is not as easy as it may sound in this age of “get me on front page and i will sell my soul….” ha!

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        Chetan Bhagat

        Verified account

        @chetan_bhagat
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        Shame on media like @outlookindia who carried a fake charges story without even checking with me. They could have easily checked on YouTube that I launched her book in 2015/16. Who calls their harasser as chief guest for their book launch? Video here:

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  99. Vicky Kaushal’s father Sham Kaushal ACCUSED of showing a porn clip & making advances to a woman
    ByBollywood Hungama News NetworkOct 15, 2018 – 9:17 am IST

    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/vicky-kaushals-father-sham-kaushal-accused-showing-porn-clip-making-advances-woman/

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  100. Now to the worst of allegation (video) post about the Metoo. It’s so ridiculous that its almost funny to read this!

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    In a series of videos posted on Instagram, Pooja alleged that Salman, Arbaaz and Sohail raped her in an unconscious state on multiple occasions.

    She even said that the superstar and Shatrughan Sinha hacked her phone and laptop to steal her creative ideas. She further claimed that they used black magic on her by which she is being haunted by ghosts for many years.

    She alleged that all her creative ideas have been stolen by Salman and Shatrughan to lift up Sonakshi Sinha and Malaika Arora’s career. Pooja alleged that Salman along with his brothers raped her in her hotel room in Delhi during Sultan shooting.

    She even lashed out at Salim Khan saying that he did not stop him despite knowing all the alleged wrongs he did to her.

    https://www.ibtimes.co.in/metoo-pooja-mishra-accuses-salman-khan-his-brothers-raping-her-claims-shatrughan-sinha-used-783001

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  101. We can go back to the times when men used to do women’s roles.
    And women can do men’s roles.

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    • I have so far stayed away from this thread & this US imported topic. JUST. NOT. INTERESTED. IN. THIS . DISGUSTING. NOISE, and joke of a serious problem and trivialization happening on this front.

      But can somebody please ask this glorified 2nd rate soft-porn writer to SHUT UP and go back to what she’s at best, milking the high-society Bombay life with whom she was figuratively, if not literally, in bed? She milked the ‘very’ things that she’s shrieking about sitting on her high moral horse now when she made a bloody career out of it. Does she think all are kids here who will listen to her barking on twitter? Stars sleeping around with starlets? Business-men utilizing their status to force interns or new employees to satiate their sexual fetishes. From where did she get all the sh!@e that she wrote in her so-called ‘books?’

      This ‘Maharani of Muck’ should try to read her books once again and see how she got to where she’s in her ‘high’ profile life.

      This is her statement on Mayawati: Women empowerment my foot.

      https://www.indiatimes.com/culture/who-we-are/14-lines-that-could-only-have-been-written-by-shobhaa-de-246030.html

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      • An Jo. you are going to hurt Sanjana’s feelings now. Reading de is guilty pleasure for her.

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        • I never tried to read her books. I just read her blogs and her tweets. I enjoy reading them. There is a lot of truth in them. She has guts. And she can face trolls on a daily basis. Sometimes she goes OTT but its ok. She is one gutsy maharashtrian lady. And I know many dislike her but it does not make much difference for me. Her zest for good life also is part of her personality. But her instant judgments I dont buy easily.

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          • I dont know what is the problem with US import ideas when every second Indian is trying to go to america and settle there forever. Just see the anger from Indians against the new citizenship and visa rules.

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        ha ha ha AJ – I luv it – yeah Ms. De is one of the biggest jokes which has happened to so called “Literary” world of India and she insults everyone, makes fun of everone, badmouths about everyone and ….well! u have written enuf….do not feel like adding anything more – maybe she is badly missing those “Malya parties” and is frustrated? 🙂

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        • That is her usp. Politically incorrect, provocative and snarky.
          I will rather read Shobhaa de than Arundhati Roy.
          As for Mallya parties, she did not know that he was cheating the banks. And how many of us know what our friends and relatives are upto? Their secret lives and hobbies.

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          • IdeaUnique Says:

            attending Malya parties was not about banks! and De certainly knew what Malya was doing with women – didn’t she????? oh, come-on now…. 🙂

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      how they twist the info……the lawyer firm has total no. of 97 lawyers (employees) and only 6 of them will represent here – but what the media and Ms. De shows us????

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  104. Actor Dia Mirza has said that she was aware of director Sajid Khan’s “ridiculous and sexist” behaviour but had no idea he could stoop to this level. Sajid is among the Bollywood personalities who were named by women as part of the MeToo campaign. While his sister Farah Khan and cousin Farhan Akhtar denied being aware of his behaviour, Dia, who had done a cameo in Sajid’s directorial Heyy Baby, has acknowledged that she was aware of his obnoxious behaviour.

    Speaking to India Today, she said: “I was deeply disturbed. I agree that Sajid was obnoxious, extremely sexist and ridiculous. Even for me, the details of these accounts are beyond shocking. I have personally always have had a radar for such people. I have never invested in a relationship with such people even in the workplace.”

    She said that these incidents showed how deep patriarchy ran in society and Bollywood and added that in the coming weeks many more names will tumble out. Many others are silent, she said, because of the relationship they share with such people.

    She added how she had, in the past, brushed aside such behaviour. “We often brush off certain kind of behaviour. But I wouldn’t have imagined that Sajid could be capable of doing this to a woman. I completely understand the shock people are feeling right now, but it would be unfair to say that the names that are coming out is shocking.”

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/sajid-khan-s-behaviour-was-obnxious-and-sexist-says-dia-mirza/story-Ajq1RoQRTkRcpyCvkx2ARO.html

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  105. #MeToo: Yash Raj Films terminates services of Ashish Patil after allegations
    ByBollywood Hungama News NetworkOct 16, 2018 – 11:16 am IST
    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/metoo-yash-raj-films-terminates-services-ashish-patil-allegations/

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  106. This is becoming silly now:

    From Hindustan Times:

    Actor Kangana Ranaut has launched a fresh attack on Hrithik Roshan, saying that no one should work with him in the industry. In an interview to Zee News, Kangana said Hrithik deserves to be punished in the wake of the #MeToo movement.

    Reacting to disgraced director Vikas Bahl’s Phantom Film’s being dissolved, Kangana said, “Whatever is happening with Vikas Bahl is absolutely correct. Our industry still has a lot of people who don’t behave well with women. They assault them, they harass them, they should also be punished.” She then made a reference to Hrithik. “People who keep their wives as trophies and keep young girls as their mistresses should also be punished… I am referring to Hrithik Roshan people should not work with him as well.”

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    • These things should not make this movement bad. The movement has no control over all individuals and their actions.

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        ha! and what about women who stay in live-in (in her own words as “mistresses” ) with ppl like Aditya Panscholi, Adhyayan Suman and god-knows-who else? KR is a jerk and does not what comes out of her mouth…if she was a mistress to HR, she knew that he was a married man! then???

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  107. Aamir Khan set a great example by backing out of biopic, Mogul, when the allegations of sexual harassment against the director Subhash Kapoor came to light. The actor is influenced by movement to such an extent that, he is planning to showcase the issue in next season of Satyamev Jayate.

    As per the reports in DNA, the sources revealed that the next season of Satyamev Jayate, which is slated to air in January 2019, will open with the episode on #MeToo Movement. Sources further added, “With several women opening up about sexual harassment at workplaces and otherwise, Aamir wants to throw light on their problems and the issue of their safety. He has told his team to start doing research on it. He will invite the #MeToo survivors to share their horrifying experiences. He will also get some of the alleged accused on the show to present their point of view”.

    https://www.koimoi.com/television/aamir-khan-to-opt-for-satyamev-jayate-no-movie-release-in-2019/

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  108. https://www.ndtv.com/cities/on-video-karnataka-woman-beats-bank-officer-over-sex-for-loan-demand-1932867?pfrom=home-topstories

    Looks like misuse has started.
    Men, when you are dealing with women, have some lady or ladies with you and also working cctv cameras!

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  109. Another fallout

    Accused of molesting girl, SAI Kabbadi coach commits suicide
    The alleged molestation incident occurred in the girls’ dressing room of the centre on October 9. SAI authorities were informed after the victim told her parents about it.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/india/accused-of-molesting-girl-sai-kabbadi-coach-commits-suicide-5404643/

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  110. Jatin das : father of Nandita das

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  111. http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/metoo-movement-shakes-yet-another-bollywood-foundation-kwan-manager-anirban-blah-termed-sexual-predator/

    Kwan is a big name in the industry who handles work of many superstars including actress Deepika Padukone. The manager of Kwan Anirban Blah is however being accused of preying on many aspiring actresses and even some from the industry. Under the anonymity clause, four different survivors spoken about how Blah has harassed them or made verbal distasteful comments.

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  112. Anna Burns has become the first Northern Irish author to win the Man Booker prize, taking the £50,000 award for Milkman, her timely, Troubles-set novel about a young woman being sexually harassed by a powerful man.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/oct/16/anna-burns-wins-man-booker-prize-for-incredibly-original-milkman

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  114. Nicole Kidman has avoided talking about her 11-year marriage to Tom Cruise. Seventeen years after the couple split, we still don’t know exactly what caused their breakup.

    But in a recent interview, Kidman opened up about one aspect of their relationship that she hasn’t discussed before – how being married to a powerful man protected her from experiencing the kind of sexual abuse that more and more women in Hollywood are speaking up about.

    “I got married very young, but it definitely wasn’t power for me – it was protection,” the 51-year-old actress said to New York Magazine’s the Cut in an interview published Monday. “I married for love, but being married to an extremely powerful man kept me from being sexually harassed.”

    https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/nicole-kidman-says-that-being-married-to-tom-cruise-was-protection-from-sexual-harassment-1933331?pfrom=home

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  115. ‘Raudram’ enables location-based alerts, recording of audio and video footage
    Launching an app aimed at ensuring safety of women in the city on Tuesday, Makkal Needhi Maiam (MNM) founder Kamal Haasan said he was marching towards the people and was least bothered by the verbal attacks launched by Dravidian parties against him.

    https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/kamal-launches-womens-safety-app/article25242759.ece?homepage=true

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  116. Union Minister MJ Akbar Resigns Over #Metoo Allegations
    All India | NDTV News Desk | Updated: October 17, 2018 17:07 IST

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