World Cup – Aamir Khan (Lagaan defeats Rang De Basanti), part 2…

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8 GROUPS OF RANDOMLY CHOSEN FILMS THAT STAR AAMIR KHAN – 4 FILMS IN EACH GROUP
2 MATCHES EVERY OTHER DAY FROM EACH GROUP – votes equal points
BLOGGERS TO VOTE ON WHICH FILM WINS – only need the winning film and if you like a reason for victory. No essays! In The event of a tie score at the end of group stages – the head to head match will determine the victor. In the event of a tie head to head my vote will determine the victor.
TOP 2 FROM EACH GROUP TO GO THROUGH TO FINAL 16 – matches there on are randomly picked by me.

Final 16 and knockouts – in the event of a tie score the highest voted film overall will go through.

Honourable mentions to nothing really.

Here are the final group standings from this thread here

Group 1
Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 68
Ghajini 55
Mann 20
Baazi 4
Group 2
3 Idiots 59
Rangeela 56
Raakh 26
Holi 5
Group 3
Lagaan 68
Akele Hum Akele Tum 32
Dhobi Ghat 31
Dil 15
Group 4
Dil Chahta Hai 64
Talaash 53
Raja Hindustani 22
Afsana Pyar Ka 7
Group 5
Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 62
Mangal Pandey 45
Dhoom 3 21
Ishq 18
Group 6
Rang De Basanti 56
Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 53
PK 26
Ghulam 11
Group 7
Dangal 66
Earth 33
Hum Hain Rahi Pyar Ke 32
Fanaa 21
Group 8
Taare Zameen Par 48
Sarfarosh 46
Andaz Apna Apna 42
Secret Superstar 16

Round of 16 results

Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 19 Vs Talaash 8
Ghajini 8 Vs Sarfarosh 19
Earth 17 Vs Mangal Pandey 10
QayamatSe Qayamat Tak 25 Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum 2
Dangal 13 Vs 3 Idiots 14
Dil Chahta Hai 12 Vs Rang De Basanti 15
Lagaan 25 Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
Rangeela 9 Vs Taare Zameen Par 18

Quarter Finals results
Rang De Basanti 15 Vs Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 11
Lagaan 25 Vs Earth 1
Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 17 Vs Taare Zameen Par 9
Sarfarosh 10 Vs 3 Idiots 16

Semi Final results

Rang De Basanti 17 Vs 3 Idiots 9

Lagaan 22 Vs Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 4

Final result

Lagaan 20 Vs Rang De Basanti 6

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756 Responses to “World Cup – Aamir Khan (Lagaan defeats Rang De Basanti), part 2…”

  1. Round of 16 match ups…

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander Vs Talaash
    Ghajini Vs Sarfarosh
    Earth Vs Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum
    Dangal Vs 3 Idiots
    Dil Chahta Hai Vs Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
    Rangeela Vs Taare Zameen Par

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  2. My choices
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  3. Round of 16 :
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Rang De Basanti
    Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
    Taare Zameen Par

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  4. Talaash
    Ghajini (this gave me some trouble!)
    MP
    QSQT
    Dangal
    DCH
    Lagaan
    TZP

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  5. IdeaUnique Says:

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Ghajini
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Rangeela

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  6. Talaash
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    AHAT
    Dangal
    RDB
    DHKMN
    TZP

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  7. Lagaan & QSQT got favourable draws…. everything else might need some head scratching though I can see some troubles for JJWS with some guaranteed votes for Talaash via aamirsaurabh/Qalander/Saket.

    For them I share this song…

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  8. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Rangeela

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  9. Round of 16:

    Talaash
    Sarfarosh
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat
    Dangal
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Rangeela

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  10. JJWS
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    QSQT
    Dangal
    RDB
    Lagaan
    TZP

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  11. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Rangeela

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  12. The early vote suggests Talaash is in trouble. I wouldn’t want to see it eliminated this early (if it has to be) but looks like this is where things are heading.

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  13. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal (2-2 at the end of regulation, 3-3 at the end of extra time, each 4 out of 5 in penalty kicks. Dangal beats 3I in sudden death. What a match;) )
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  14. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  15. Commentary from the wise guys?

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  16. Talaash
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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    • Talaash noir element
      Sarfarosh style
      Earth negative role done well
      QSQT romance
      Dangal biopic well done
      DCH European and buddy film starting a trend and irritating boi.
      Lagaan Bhuvan’s spirit
      TZP Teacher student story enhanced by Darsheel’s acting.

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  17. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  18. 3 Idiots fans have vanished! The Hirani-Aamir combo has really struggled in this tournament.
    SP that penalty kick for Dangal #5, the referee has adjudged the player made a double motion and duped the goalkeeper into false motion hence must be retaken!

    Sanjana you can still change, such a travesty this match up!

    Induction motor scene

    Chaturs speech

    What is a machine?

    Watch scene

    The black and white roti scene

    Dhokra, gujju scene

    Countless others… the comedy constructed in this film was a rage when I watched it…

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    • But it is pitted against the heavy weight Dangal!

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      • I think Dangal is being overrated here. It’s a good movie for sure but 3 Idiots is just full of great writing throughout. It’s tone is consistent throughout, even dramatic or emotional scenes are done well. And besides AAA has gone already, the semi finals might be a social education at this rate… Dangal’s a biopic, material already there. 3 Idiots (unless Saket says it’s lifted from some movie in Guatemala) is pretty original stuff.

        I’m not liking this match up. Dangal is doing a sleeper hold on 3 Idiots and putting it to sleep and beating the crap out of it. Plus Sanjana, Dangal has a lot of violence, in public too…😀

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        • It is about aamir’s acting as the father captivated me. For me it is about his acting in Dangal than anything else.

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          • Ok – I don’t think you’ll change your mind here! Worth a shot!

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          • aamir’s acting that captivated me.
            And the strategically placed songs.
            His bout with his daughter.
            Overall tone of the film.
            And its China success also played some part.

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          • You tried to tempt me with six scenes! Against Dangal it could not work!

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          • I’ll pick on someone else.

            Satyam – you once said 3 Idiots to be the most entertaining movie of the previous decade. What’s changed? Dangal? And distinctly remember your Dangal review to say it’s being overrated to some extent!

            I need GF. I remember his review of 3 Idiots well – ‘and here is the movie of the year’… something like that.
            Sandhya might vote, but she might go Dangal…Master gave a negative review of Dangal as everyone was giving positive ones maybe he’ll vote 3 Idiots…
            I’ll scratch Abzee, he didn’t like it…

            I should get BOI to vote, they hailled it as an all-time blockbuster on Day 4 alone! This is one of the only times ever they rejoiced Aamir otherwise they don’t care LOL.

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          • BOI’s one vote for 3 Idiots in ‘real value’ is worth a 1,000 😀

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          • On Dangal here’s my original post. It is true that my 3I piece was a lot more complimentary but I somehow haven’t been very drawn to the film over time. It’s the sort of film one would enjoy any time one saw it. But I think I’m more likely to revisit Dangal. In any case skimming through both pieces just now I realize I should have given 3I more thought for this vote. I’m even a bit tempted to alter my vote. But it’s a tough call.

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          • Point 5) in your Dangal review sticks in my memory. And your last sentence in 3 Idiots review is something I remember. I too was not sure how 3 Idiots would age. On TV it doesn’t look as great as before. The YouTube clips sealed it for me. It’s a laugh riot throughout.

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          • Agree with both those points still. 3I is definitely a classic. I just don’t revisit it as a matter of personal taste. Having said that I don’t do this with Hirani in general for some odd reason. The first Munnabhai is still I think his best film. But as fluid narratives LRM and 3I are possibly even better. PK is definitely lesser in this regard, specially the second half (though the first one is probably his most interesting one since his first film).

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          • I haven’t revisit it either nor Dangal. Dangal’s a good sports movie but 3 Idiots is 3 Idiots (at this stage) – if it gets further which I doubt it will be little tougher for me against other films. This choice I found tough but overall a bit of a no brainer after some quick thoughts. DCH RDB that’s a tough one! That was one painful choice.

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          • I’d easily vote for Talaash over every other Aamir film. Until of course it got to Lagaan. this would be a tough one. My mind would be on the side of Lagaan and my heart with Talaash!

            Leaving this aside I should also say that I rarely revisit contemporary Hindi films.

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          • An Jo liked Dangal. Go through his review.

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          • I think LS too likes Dangal more!

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          • I have some problem with 3 Idiots due to that Balatkari scene. Though I laughed I felt squeamish about it.
            Even Dil had one such scene where aamir decides to teach a lesson to madhuri.
            Dangal’s patriarchy was acceptable as a biopic.

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          • You’re going to make me feel guilty about changing my vote for 3I! But your point is a very fair one. It’s a hilarious scene but it’s impossible to imagine that a similar scene could be written today in Hollywood. On Dil though that was par for the course for Indian cinema for the longest time. Lots of films had such moments. I still concede your point of course.

            On the patriarchy point though I’d just say that these things aren’t harmless. In other words if you have a patriarchal system in place certain things are more likely to follow. Dangal doesn’t have to deal with this issue but what would Aamir’s character have thought for example of his daughter’s potential love interests? In precisely that sort of setting a lot of horrific shame and honor episodes unfold all the time in India. Leaving this aside it is in some ways the story of the patriarch. He decides his daughter need to have this life, he’s proven right eventually when his daughter decides she needs to follow more ‘modern’ techniques, the daughter is constantly looking out for him (and his approval/help) even at the most crucial moment of her career. Now at a human level all this is perfectly reasonable and understandable. But a film always reveals its ideology through a story. The latter might be better or worse but it is never the only possible one relative to a subject.

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          • Glad you raised this sanjana — Dil’s scene is atrocious (I felt bad about it even as 12 year-old in the cinema); with 3I I laughed but intellectually that is hard to defend…

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          • And now with MeeToo in full force, I feel more vindicated. The other films may have misogynistic scenes but not to this extent as far as I know. The lesser evil is preferable.

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          • Would you have voted 3 Idiots before metoo?

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          • It depends on which film it is pitted against. Not on MeeToo only.

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          • There is good patriarchy where a father or brother are liberal enough to take care of their daughters by accepting their choices and at the same time protecting them. Patriarchy is not about honour killing only. I have seen mothers and mothers in law much more harsh and unforgiving. Even in a patriarchy they are able to pull strings.

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          • yes but when mothers are harsh it’s because they are really upholding the same patriarchal laws. Also the notion of a good or benevolent patriarchy is problematic in itself.

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    https://www.hindustantimes.com/tech/global-internet-shutdown-likely-over-next-48-hours/story-mKSZ0e07xjbcaXAyMijQNJ.html

    So Hurry Up!

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  20. Round of 16 votes

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  21. Edit: Dangal v 3 Idiots: 3 Idiots

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  22. Talaash
    Ghajini
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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    • As cinematic spectacles, Talaash & Rang De Basanti are light-years ahead of Aamir’s other films.

      That’s not to suggest that some of his other films are not more important than the above two or even more entertaining…they just don’t come close in terms of story-telling. And one can take my word for it, 50 years down the line, both these films will far outweigh the others in terms of lasting impact.

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        honestly Earth is – for me – even better than Talaash and RDB – but what an underrated film! i wish it was made in today’s times…..mktg genius aamir wud have taken care of actor aamir at BO

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        • There are better films than these two, story-wise, I don’t disagree. Some of his films deliver important messages as well (Secret Superstar, TZP, PK). But the real magic is in the story-telling — the use of cinematography, the editing, the choice of colors, the careful use of close-ups and other directorial flourishes that leave a longer lasting impact.

          There is a reason why cinema is called a visual medium. It’s not just about the story — it’s how you tell that story that’s more important.

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  23. Talaash
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Rangeela

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  24. aamirsaurabh Says:

    KNOCK OUTS

    Talaash
    Ghajini
    Earth
    Akele Hum Akele Tum
    Dangal Vs 3 Idiots-I need some time for this.I can’t decide right now.Too tough.It’s unfair to pit them at such an early stage.Wld give my vote around the end.
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  25. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander Vs Talaash
    JJWS

    Ghajini Vs Sarfarosh
    Sarfarosh

    Earth Vs Mangal Pandey
    Earth
    Had to choose the trauma of 1947’s independence over the first cry of independence in 1857.

    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum
    QSQT

    Dangal Vs 3 Idiots
    Dangal
    Toughest matchup of the tournament so far. But will go with the earthiness of Dangal over the saccharine sweetness of Hirani’s message.

    Dil Chahta Hai Vs Rang De Basanti
    Another tough one. No doubt RDB is visually significant, but the first movie to depict friendship/love in a setting familiar to millions of urbanites wins it.
    DCH

    Lagaan Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
    Lagaan

    Rangeela Vs Taare Zameen Par
    TZP

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  26. If we give credits to the directors also.
    JJWS Mansoor Khan
    Talaash Reema Kagti
    Ghajini Murugadoss
    Sarfarosh John Mathew Mathan
    Earth1947 Deepa Mehta
    QSQT Mansoor Khan
    AHAT Mansoor Khan
    Mangal Paney Ketan Mehta
    Dangal Nitesh Tewari
    3 Idiots Hirani
    DCH Farhan Akhtar
    RDB Rakeysh Omprakash Mehta
    Lagaan Ashutosh Gowariker
    DHKMN Mahesh Bhatt
    Rangeela RGV
    TZP Amole Gupte as creative director and Aamir Khan is the director

    Any mistakes?

    3 are by Mansoor Khan.

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  27. Ok Jay, my updated vote for the knockout stage (even if this will suggest another conspiracy!):

    Talaash
    Ghajini (this gave me some trouble!)
    MP
    QSQT
    3I
    RDB
    Lagaan
    TZP

    also changed my DCH vote. Gave it some thought earlier too but went with DCH. I have problems with RDB but perhaps still like it more at a personal level.

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    • Good to see you changing the films. I think I overdid it.
      I have decided to stick to first choices. No more wavering.

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    • What? Jay convinced you for match fixing 3I? Haha.

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      • No match fixing. It was open as daylight. In fact I tried to change Sanjana’s mind first and yours. It was fairly done & if Satyam picks Dangal again, no issues.

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        • I’m going to stick with 3I. But yeah I wasn’t completely certain about DCH initially, when I changed my vote on one I changed it on the other as well!

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        • There is politics in this harmless polling/worldcup comepetition 🙂

          I gave “my” opinion between two movies..now if my opinion liked by other people..I am not interested.

          BTW there should be winner..who gave maximum “right” choices..This will difficult to tabulate. Aamir pool will be poisoned but SRK is done and dusted.

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          • No politics, just lobbying and I’m guilty of it but I am not that precious about it. I’m accepting 3 Idiots is heading out. If I wanted to I could give easy routes to my favourite film but whatever happens will happen.

            Could you explain your second paragraph?

            3rd paragraph I was following this in SRK one but it’s pretty difficult. Bliss was pretty good until the final!

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        • Jay

          Dangal vs 3I is an unfortunate matchup, especially this early. My top 4 will be Lagaan, 3I, Dangal and QSQT.

          Could you care to explain how two Group leaders met in R16? Is it not 1 vs 2 matchups in this round? Error?

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  28. Amit Pandey Says:

    Round of 16 match ups…

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Ghajini
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  29. Around 20 or so votes in, so whats the tally at present?

    Lets hope the dumb films like 3i and dch gets dumped in this round.

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  30. Update
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 12 Vs Talaash 8
    Ghajini 6 Vs Sarfarosh 14
    Earth 12 Vs Mangal Pandey 8
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 18 Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum 2
    Dangal 12 Vs 3 Idiots 7 (one vote to come from aamirsaurabh)
    Dil Chahta Hai 9 Vs Rang De Basanti 11
    Lagaan 18 Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
    Rangeela 6 Vs Taare Zameen Par 14

    2 days of voting left… Lagaan, QSQT, Sarfarosh & TZP look safe to me. Other 4 match ups are closer with Dangal, Earth, JJWS & RDB currently occupying a QF spot.

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  31. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Rang De Basanti 11
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par 14

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  32. thecooldude Says:

    JJWS
    Ghajini
    Earth
    QSQT
    3 Idiots (damn this was tough!)
    DCH
    Lagaan
    TZP

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  33. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Mangal Pandey
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Dangal
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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    • Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander Vs Talaash
      JJWS

      Ghajini Vs Sarfarosh
      Sarfarosh

      Earth Vs Mangal Pandey
      Earth

      Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum
      QSQT

      Dangal Vs 3 Idiots
      Dangal

      Dil Chahta Hai Vs Rang De Basanti
      RDB

      Lagaan Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
      Lagaan

      Rangeela Vs Taare Zameen Par
      Rangeela

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  34. @Jayshah I have decided it’s 3Idiots.My vote is for 3Idiots against Dangal.

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  35. IdeaUnique Says:

    Jay, may be for Semi Final and Finals, u can have a new post

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    • Hardly much action in this thread, so doubt the need of another thread. Most active members here have already voted for this round. Cant expect much from srk fans as they are struggling with their menopause. Jay shud move on to quarters now.

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  36. RDB and Talaash are classy.

    Dangal and Lagaan massy in a classy way.

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  37. tonymontana Says:

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Dil Chahta Hai
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par

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  38. If we go by our votes instead of jay’s wife, the quarters matches are:

    Lagaan vs rdb
    Qsqt vs dangal
    Tzp vs earth
    Sarfarosh vs jjws

    Tzp is a sure-shot semi finalist. Rest will be interesting.

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  39. Changing Dangal -> 3I

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  40. If one wants credibility then one will be disappointed. If one wants one day matches where deliberate shocks are introduced to make the match more exciting then one should view this as game than anything else. I will use this as game and enjoy. There are still more to come.

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    • I don’t think anyone should take this seriously. Firstly no more than 30 people are voting, it hardly is trying to prove anything! People can use IMDb votes to get a better sense of ‘reality’ or box office collections or whatever. One’s own opinion is hardly going to waver too much. If Satyam or Bliss change back to Dangal I really won’t be throwing my toys out of the pram.

      It’s not even ODI, this is like T20 or sudden death 6 balls! No strings attached!

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  41. IdeaUnique Says:

    if Lagaan is not the winner – then i want to leave this planet 🙂 no movie can come closer to that masterpiece…..no Dangal, no TZP, no 3i, no PK….nothing – the sheer spirit behind that film-making-shooting against the commercial demands of popular cinema, sheer disciplinary way of shooting (6-8 months at a stretch in the desert with clock-wise daily-discipline), the music, the casting, the screenplay, the grand production-values, dialogues, background score….everything…everything…was so good that even aamir has not managed to meet those levels still with any other film…..

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    • IdeaUnique Says:

      it is like Sholay….even sippy himself can not / could not / and maybe will not be able to create the same magic again…..such movies come once in a while….Mughal-e-azam / Lagaan / Sholay….these are gems and will remain in top 5 of all time in Hindi cinema…

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      • Here most of the people want just entertainment and laughs. We cant expect them to choose Lagaan or even Dangal or even a TZP. So just grin and bear it.

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    • I already left this place when AAA was KO.
      It’s m ghost now hovering here for RDB and JJWS 🙂

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      • I think AAA doesn’t get it’s due. Such a fantastically written script. If Aamir did any sequel (I am not a fan of sequels) the only film he should from his filmography is AAA. That film has unfinished business IMO. And he should get Salman on board pronto before his career is finished! And Santoshi on it! It would be a rage. 102 NO worked so I have no doubts AAA would with older Aamir & Salman.

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  42. 13-12 Dangal leads 3 Idiots. A tie score Dangal wins…

    This match up deserves a tie IMO, I can live with that.

    It’s a favourite film contest; you can define favourite anyway you want.

    You could be picking a film based on it being the 1st you watched (I admit to that)
    Or a song and movie has special meaning to you (for me a film here is very good but won’t win for me but a song is the driving force till now)
    Or it’s incredibly repeat watchable
    Or technically it’s the best
    Or like Saket you love the visual aspect of art (in certain instances)
    Or whatever!

    There really isn’t a reason to justify it, it’s personal as a choice

    You can buy votes, market your film, do whatever! At the end no one is holding a gun to anyone’s head to pick or even vote!

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    • Agree : Film one likes and has deep powerful memories not gr8 cinema and rest everything is relative even what’s gr8 ?:)

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      • With SRK in the end that’s how it ended up for me in the final. I’ll have watched DDLJ 10 times Vs Swades once. I’ll have listened to it’s songs 1000 of times more. Every wedding I go to a DDLJ song will be there. I’m not saying it’s a technically better film or performance than Swades, just in my life I have way more time for DDLJ than Swades, it’s way more accessible for me. I’m basically just more likely to ‘want’ to watch it again.

        I don’t have to justify the above statement to anyone really.

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  43. Update (2)
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 17 Vs Talaash 8
    Ghajini 7 Vs Sarfarosh 18
    Earth 15 Vs Mangal Pandey 10
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 23 Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum 2
    Dangal 13 Vs 3 Idiots 12
    Dil Chahta Hai 11 Vs Rang De Basanti 14
    Lagaan 23 Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
    Rangeela 7 Vs Taare Zameen Par 18

    I’ll give it till Sunday 8pm GMT.

    JJWS, Sarfarosh, Earth, QSQT, Dangal, RDB, Lagaan, TZP heading through.
    2 matches can change, 3 Idiots needs a 2 vote swing to catch Dangal as a tie score won’t be enough.
    DCH needs to tie with RDB so 3 votes swing and it will go through…

    On paper these 2 were the matches of the Round of 16. 4 big films that could have won the entire thing were drawn against each other, all films post Lagaan. Earth has done very well till now. Can it continue to surprise?

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  44. tonymontana Says:

    Earth and MP hve to be the most overrated films in this blog. Nowhere else have I seen people place so much importance on these films. So much that they’ve easily edged out AAA which didnt even make it to the top 16!

    MP was interesting in patches but it totally went bonkers in its storytelling post interval. The last one hour of that film goes haywire like a Mohit Suri film. As far asEarth goes, I just find it pretentious just like most of Deepa Mehta’s works. Although I’d say It has one of Aamir’s wonderful performances

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  45. Jay :

    Kaun si movie pichhad rahi hain, main vote badal sakta hoon 😛 ?

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    • I think DCH deserves some love

      Be a man scene 😀

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      • Easily the best buddies movie! ZNMD not a patch on it!

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      • I love how Saif knows what will happen but is still convinced Priya will accept his apology based on Aamir’s insistence and it’s so obviously a trap. Akshaye playing the calm, sensible friend can’t do anything…

        Just the copout ending here ruins this film but it’s still better than YRF endings. And the visuals throughout are still very fresh.

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      • Sach main !!!

        DCH transformed Indian movies for ever. It is most consequential and has lasting impact how movies, dialogues, actors behaving normal ppl interacing on screen and not looking at cameras and theatrics.
        per RDB se memories hain 😛

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        • RDB is very much influenced from DCH. The buddy buddy love for sure. But this was such a tough choice I could flip a coin. RDB has that split track and obviously is very complicated too compared to DCH. And RDB music is way better. But I plugged for the original multiplex game changer here rather than the wave movement type film.

          Rang De Basanti

          I like how these silly boys are not interested but gradually transform through the process of history…

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  46. This is an brilliant video detailing the strengths of RDB. Some terrific comments about the cinematography here.

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  47. Another terrific analysis of Sairat. I know this is a thread about Aamir’s films but this is a great discussion on what it means to tell a story visually…

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    • What caught my attention was about Fair Use under copyright law. There is a big dispute going on between users and copyright holders.

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  48. Another great video on Film Criticism.

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  49. Round of 16

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander Vs Talaash
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander ( one of my Favourite Aamir movies, i have watched this so many times)

    Ghajini Vs Sarfarosh
    Ghajini

    Earth Vs Mangal Pandey
    Earth

    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum
    QSQT

    Dangal Vs 3 Idiots
    3 Idiots

    Dil Chahta Hai Vs Rang De Basanti
    DCH (Very tough, never have a movie left me thinking like RDB did, but i have enjoyed DCH more.)

    Lagaan Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
    Lagaan

    Rangeela Vs Taare Zameen Par
    Rangeela

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  50. Afsana Pyar Ka. 7 votes – is this good?

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  51. Update (3)
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 18 Vs Talaash 8
    Ghajini 8 Vs Sarfarosh 18
    Earth 16 Vs Mangal Pandey 10
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 24 Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum 2
    Dangal 13 Vs 3 Idiots 13
    Dil Chahta Hai 12 Vs Rang De Basanti 14

    Lagaan 24 Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
    Rangeela 8 Vs Taare Zameen Par 18

    2 absolute World Cup classics are going on. 3 Idiots (with some support from the federation’s motivational schemes) has equalised against Dangal. The match is now in injury time with Dangal still ahead on points.

    DCH is providing a mini comeback too. Still behind but needs 2 votes to overturn RDB.

    12 hours of injury time to go…

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  52. Let’s remind ourselves of the cracking opening scene from Dangal

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  53. Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    3 Idiots
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Rangeela

    I was bummed when PK went out so quickly; to me its between Lagaan and Rangeela for my fave…probably will go with Lagaan!

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  54. Update (4)
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 19 Vs Talaash 8
    Ghajini 8 Vs Sarfarosh 19
    Earth 17 Vs Mangal Pandey 10
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 25 Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum 2
    Dangal 13 Vs 3 Idiots 14
    Dil Chahta Hai 12 Vs Rang De Basanti 15
    Lagaan 25 Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
    Rangeela 9 Vs Taare Zameen Par 18

    2 hours left and 3 Idiots has taken a lead on Dangal…in the match of the tournament thus far!

    2 hours left – happy for any changes at this critical stage. Last minute substitutions to avoid heartbreak!!! Can Dangal deliver a decisive blow to 3 Idiots????

    QF draw to follow in 2 hours or so. As things stand, final 8 is;
    JJWS
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    QSQT
    3 Idiots
    RDB
    Lagaan
    TZP

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  55. Voting closed

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  56. Results of Round of 16
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander 19 Vs Talaash 8
    Ghajini 8 Vs Sarfarosh 19
    Earth 17 Vs Mangal Pandey 10
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 25 Vs Akele Hum Akele Tum 2
    Dangal 13 Vs 3 Idiots 14
    Dil Chahta Hai 12 Vs Rang De Basanti 15
    Lagaan 25 Vs Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin 2
    Rangeela 9 Vs Taare Zameen Par 18

    Final 8
    JJWS
    Sarfarosh
    Earth
    QSQT
    3 Idiots
    RDB
    Lagaan
    TZP

    Draw soon….

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  57. Quarter Finals – please vote by Tuesday 8pm GMT
    Rang De Basanti Vs Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Lagaan Vs Earth
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar Vs Taare Zameen Par
    Sarfarosh Vs 3 Idiots

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  58. My QF vote
    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par
    3 Idiots

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  59. QFs:

    QSQT
    Lagaan
    JJWS
    3I

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  60. Quarter Finals :
    Rang De Basanti
    Earth
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
    3 Idiots

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  61. Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par
    Sarfarosh

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  62. tonymontana Says:

    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par
    3 Idiots

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  63. QSQT
    Lagaan
    JJWS
    3 Idiots

    Dangal/DCH getting knocked off was sad. But this is the strength of the bench! I wonder which of the other Khan movies can even hold a candle to the last 16, much less the last 8?

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    • Salman will strike back when Jay does his WC. Then you can choose between Biwi No 1 and Judwaa… or Ready and Bodyguard.. and if there are enough Salman fans the sensible film he does once per decade will get eliminated in the very first round..

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    • Dangal and DCH would make my final 8 though not 100% sure on the former. DCH most definitely. I doubt I’d have any Salman film. Maybe a few SRK ones – but I guess Andaz Apna Apna might sneak in so Salman would get 1 in.

      Even though Aamir has some tough match ups, it’s not as difficult as the SRK tournament, quite similar…just feel a little more sorry here for a film getting knocked out whereas for SRK felt sorry for a film getting through!

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  64. Salman films are not that bad.
    HAHK
    MPK
    Khamoshi
    HDDCS
    Kick
    Dabangg
    Bajrangi
    TZH
    ETT
    Bodyguard
    AAA
    Patthar Ke Phool
    Saajan
    Love
    Karan Arjun
    Pyaar kiya to darna kya
    Jab pyaar kisise hota hai
    Hum Saath Saath Hai
    KKHH
    Sultan
    Wanted
    Ready
    No Entry

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    • You should do Salman films.

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      • I’ll do it eventually, motivation is down at moment! But it’s not horrific. I could watch 10 films here easily again.

        HAHK, MPK, HSSH, HDDCS, BB, Dabanngg, AAA, Wanted, Ready and Saajan. But hardly any of them for Salman specifically, that’s the problem!

        A film not listed is Partner too.

        I think this is my problem maybe. I can’t explain it. I just don’t like watching Salman or Akshay in general. But some movies they have done are watchable.

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        • Khamoshi also though he doesn’t of course have a lead part here. His early Love is pretty decent too. Think this too is a remake. His MSK with Akshay is fairly enjoyable for that terrain.

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    • This Salman looks competitive once you tone down your expectations of quality a couple of notches.

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  65. If you leave the very oldies, Mumtaaz, Sharmila, Hema Malini, Raakhee have much better filmographies than Madhuri and Sridevi.

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    • Madhuri was unlucky to be caught between two eras (the end of the 80s and the early 90s). She didn’t quite get the films worthy of her gifts (barring exceptions). The fact that she was still so loved or still had those iconic moments says something.

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  66. IdeaUnique Says:

    a true-blue aamir-hater this guy: https://twitter.com/GigastarAmir/

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  67. IdeaUnique Says:

    Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    Lagaan
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
    Sarfarosh

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  68. RDB
    Lagaan
    JJWS
    Sarfarosh

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  69. Are we allowing vote change after one hour?

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  70. thecooldude Says:

    QSQT
    Lagaan
    JJWS
    3 Idiots

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  71. QF

    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par
    3 Idiots

    All 4 are heavy weights.3Idiots bounced back and how.India’s biggest Global movie ever.

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  72. Jayshah what is the current score of QF?

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  73. IdeaUnique Says:

    while i am happy to see Earth in QF, Dangal deserved to be there more than TZP….that is a bloody 2000 cr film 🙂 and more influential than TZP…..Earth is a gem and very glad to see that here although it was less of a commercial success at that time….

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  74. Amit Pandey Says:

    QFs:

    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
    3 Idiots

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  75. Looks like 3 Idiots may face Lagaan in the finals and the former may win.

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  76. QF

    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
    3 Idiots

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  77. My favourite song from 3 Idiots.

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  78. Rang De Basanti Vs Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak
    QSQT

    Lagaan Vs Earth
    Lagaan

    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar Vs Taare Zameen Par
    JJWS

    Sarfarosh Vs 3 Idiots
    3 Idiots

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  79. I am slowly warming up to 3 Idiots. 3 Idiots more than that balatkari scene.

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  80. Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
    Sarfarosh

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  81. IdeaUnique Says:

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  82. Now dandiya season and navaratri.

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    • IdeaUnique Says:

      timeless classic – i mean see the combo – ARR / Aamir / Gauri / Javed Akhtar / Ashutosh – Radha/Krishna – and well…..the song is so beautifully interwoven in the film that u do not feel like taking ur eyes off…..

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  83. RDB
    Lagaan
    JJWS
    Sarfarosh

    I am devastated that Dangal is out. So a contra vote against 3I

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  84. Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
    Sarfarosh

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  85. Aamir learning that Ishaan likes art with the TZP title track in background…of course the scene that follows he takes the father to the sword…but I like this scene more.

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  86. As trust is about of a concern here. I request a volunteer to come forward to whom I can send a list of films ‘numbered’ and another who can choose sequences of numbers 1-16 or 1-8 or 1-4. We can avoid all the perceived unfairness that way.

    The group’s methods I have shown so not changing that!

    In effect I am empowering you to take the abuse!

    If the list is;

    1 A
    2 B
    3 C
    4 D

    And someone sends back 3214
    It means C Vs B and A Vs D. Hope that is not so difficult to understand!

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    • Sending email is dependent on reply. I propose following.
      1-32

      # Number of words in movies in ascending order. (3 idiots will be ahead of list in Andaaz Apna Apma… Dangal ahead of JJWS)
      # If it contains same number of words then give precedence to number followed by alphabet (3 idiots will be ahead of secret superstar in list…Dangal ahead of Talaash)
      Group them in 1-4, 5-8……
      Once they have performed..
      -> 1-16 seedings can be made based on votes..if votes are same then apply above rules.
      -> 1-8 reuse same seeding from 1-16 or reseed them based on votes in 1-16…
      -> and so on..

      ps – While we are tough on you but it is to make process consistent and fair 🙂

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      • The group method I like 😀 I will use that next.

        If you come up with non vote/non seeded way of knockouts I will consider it. I veto anything where a ‘perceieved’ superior film gets an ‘easier’ ride… this is like FA Cup. Manchester United can meet Liverpool in 3rd round or any round. If they’re lucky enough to avoid each other till final then great!

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        • It’s a good method. My group 7 here would have been Earth, Talaash, Andaz Apna Apna & Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander!

          Either way you cut Aamir’s groups you really end up with 1 really head scratching group.
          Group 5 is Mann, Dhoom 3, Afsana Pyar Ka & Hum Hain Rahi Pyar Ka!

          I veto immediately thid group method too 😀

          Ps. I counted blanks as characters here… otherwise adding up results it’s too manual. I have a life too 😂

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          • There is going to be one winner…
            You can not be fair in every possible way 🙂

            ps – Next I am going to ask for affirmative action on earlier movies..voters are too young or they have receded from memory!

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          • I am saying count the words no each letter. Otherwise I have to write some script.

            You took upon yourself to make your life tough..and we are not helping with our cribbing!

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      • Alphabet counting is kinda same as random number generation (not a knock on jay’s sweetheart by any means). I suggest to seed the round robins based on toral number of votes in imdb (not average ratings as thats subjective). Then do the seeding in knock outs as munna suggested.

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        • If someone sets up groups – go ahead, happy to expedite this process… offshore it…top 16 Madhuri / top 16 Sridevi movies as per IMDb # of votes…then I’ll figure out the rest. Otherwise I am spending a lot of time on IMDb – what a pointless waste of time! Marcus can do it!

          Personally think IMDb is unfair. It is much more likely to be used and abused by a certain demographic and is unfair to a 60 something old person who watched 60’s / 70’s films but cannot access internet for whatever reason.

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          • Put another way my father won’t know what IMDb is. So he won’t vote for Deewar. His opinion is ignored. But a fan of today might be more likely to know of Secret Superstar and say they vote 9. It totally contaminates the data.

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          • Simply put Sholay has 45,000 votes Vs 3 Idiots 283,000. It’s a bias tool period. VETO

            Let’s not get pedantic about this. Otherwise those who offer solutions will be delegated to deliver them! Munna, Marcus & SP so far 😂

            Just play and enjoy, change your vote etc.

            Don’t bring this unnecessary stress into your life! It will cause arguments at home 😀

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          • Look at the demographic of Sholay voters. One third are 18-29 years old, not even born when it came out. Only 2k out of 45k are 45+ so imagine who hasn’t voted simply because of India’s economic state and the number of people who are no more to even vote. IMDb is useful for similar period films not over a 40 year timeline comparison.

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    • I trust you. I was only trying to make 3I win a little difficult
      I actually do not mind Sarfarosh . It is frequently telecast on some channel or the other and repeat viewing is not too bad .I really like the guy who plays khabri
      On the other hand , with 3I I am unable to watch Kareena – I do not why I have acquired a recent distaste for her

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  87. Take a leaf out of Andaz Apna Apna fans. They took it on the chin that AAA didn’t make it out of groups! That’s the spirit!

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    • AAA fans trust U. 🙂

      AAA ka nam lia – “Aapka plan he galat tha. Aapko ladki ki kidnap karna tha aur baap se paise mangne the ”

      Sawal Ek, Jawab Do. aur phir lambi khamoshi

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  88. Some of the titles are funny.
    https://www.imdb.com/list/ls025761654/

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  89. Update (1)

    Rang De Basanti 11 Vs Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 9
    Lagaan 19 Vs Earth 1
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 14 Vs Taare Zameen Par 6
    Sarfarosh 8 Vs 3 Idiots 12

    Two close matches. 30 hours to go…

    Come on QSQT fans! What the hell is wrong with you! Ffs, ruining my day here! I know Marcus and Saket will go with RDB. Jeez this draw is awful, I feel for my Dangal friends now….the classic songs that will never die! This match up sucks. One film Aamir gets shot to death, other one he stabs himself! But remember Juhi! Don’t let this be the end of QSQT!

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    • This is not vote for Juhi!

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    • Looks like 3 Idiots, Lagaan and JJWS are making it to the finals.

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    • wow, didn’t expect QSQT to lose out..

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      • You are a romantic at heart!

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      • It’s a tragedy. No pun intended

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        • Vocalise your frustration QSQT fans…it might sway a vote or 2!

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          • RDB is a very well-made film, but QSQT is one of the great love stories in Hindi film history, a film that features not just memorable music and a great lead pair but also — and this is often neglected — a fine ensemble cast, with Dalip Tahl and Goga Kapoor simply fantastic. In fact, the film’s opening sequences, set in the past, are among the best sequences ever directed by Mansoor Khan, with a sense of impending doom and tragedy that represents the very best of masala cinema IMO.

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          • thecooldude Says:

            I have always said this….Qayamat se Qayamat tak, aside from a great film and everything, is perhaps the most unique title in the history of hindi cinema…..don’t know how these guys came up with it.

            Mansoor made 2 great movies and 2 mediocre ones but he should have continued with movies. He left way too early.

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          • Excellent point — oddly enough, when we speak of RDB and QSQT, we have two of the most wistful songs I can think of from the last few decades, Papa Kehte Hain and Roobaroo…

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          • The ebbs and flows in Tu Bin Bataye make it my favourite song from the album. It’s a rather quiet song by Rahman standards, with very little in terms of instrumentation, but it’s high on notes. A soothing, lilting composition which gathers steam slowly as it progresses, it’s good for listening when one is in a contemplative mood. It is one of my favourite ARR songs.

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          • Will also add this: Rakeysh Mehra has excellent, excellent taste in music. All of his films have fantastic music. Hell, he even created magic with Anu Malik in Aks.

            Both Bhaag Milkha Bhaag & Mirzya feature Shankar-Ehsan-Loy’s best work in years. Perhaps their best ever!

            Even with Rahaman, both RDB & Delhi 6 have to count among his greatest music albums.

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          • And Aloknath was also there as the benign grandfather! Whatever the allegations, he was good at certain kind of roles.

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          • Q:
            RDB has one of the greatest song of decade – Lata and Rehman’s Lukka chupi …….. IMHO.

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          • Rahman simply doesn’t sing enough.

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          • Off the top of head; Dil Se Re, Yeh Jo Des Hai Tera, Khalbali, Lukka Chuppi, Tere Bina, Jaage Hain, Khwaja, Rehna Tu…he sings so well. Needed to sing more.
            He should have sung Kaise Mujhe from Ghajini. His kind of song…

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          • of his Hindi stuff my favorite might be the Swades song.

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          • Yes, it is one of the very few songs that brings tears to my eyes on a regular basis — the strategic (ruthless?) use of a fading Lata’s voice for the old mother is a masterstroke.

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          • thecooldude Says:

            Rahman as a singer does have some great songs in hindi….Chale Chalo, Dil se re, Jai Ho, Khalbali…..the man should def sing more (but then again, he has pretty much stopped doing full on Hindi movies now)….Ruby Ruby was a reminder of how goes this guy still is…

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          • Rahman also sung Chale Chalo from Lagaan, I think.

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          • Agree with Bliss regarding Lukka Chuppi, though Lata is great in this songs AR Rahman elates the song to new levels.

            Kya Bataoon Maa Kahan Hoon Main
            Yahan Udney Ko Mere Khula Aasmaan Hai
            Tere Kisson Jaisa Bhola Salona
            Jahan Hain Yahan Sapno Vala
            Meri Patang Ho Befikar Udd Rahi Hai Maa
            Dor Koi Loote Nahin Beech Se Kaate Na

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          • he even sung title song for JTYJN

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        • yeah! I think one of the two greatest youth love stories of Hindi cinema (the other one being Bobby) is being eliminated..

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  90. thecooldude Says:

    Happy so far……Lagaan, JJWS, 3 Idiots……probably my 3 fav Aamir movies

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  91. Leo’s best film will be Titanic here?

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    • Hell no but QSQT is evergreen – it passes the test of time effortlessly. Absolute classic being knocked out here! Go and watch it Sanjana, there is no Farida Jalal either!

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      • I watched it many times! I like it. But changing the vote is difficult now. I would like to stick to first choice as a matter of principle.

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    • Tbh I have a huge weakness for Titanic. Obviously it’s no Departed or Wolf on Wall Street or whatever but it’s still quite a memorable film. The traditional WHMS or You’ve Got Mail type romances I never really liked…much prefer the British ones like Notting Hill or Love Actually!

      Soon the forum will be called loveshot 😀

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  92. Rdb
    Lagaan
    Tzp
    Sarfarosh

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    • For iconoclasts like me, RDB and Dangal will anyday trounce a Lagaan or 3I without any reservations. And if one is a traditional, then its quite ironical if he/she fancies to be an Aamir fan.

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      • Hardly iconoclastic to vote for the biggest grosser! Or for that matter RDB, itself an extremely successful film! I would have voted for Talaash over every other Aamir film. Would have had to think more about a Lagaan-Talash matchup but might still have gone with the latter as a personal favorite. QSQT-Talaash would have given me real trouble but here in an even more personal sense I would have gone for QSQT. QSQT over Lagaan too! So I guess I’m saying my top two Aamir films of all time (so far..) are QSQT & Talaash.

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        • Hmm, DDLJ for SRK, QSQT for Aamir. Maine Pyaar Kiya for Salman?

          For an angry man fan, seems you’re soft at heart? 🙂

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        • If you need to support a BO flop to be an iconoclast then Mela is your candidate! Talaash is not very Aamirish at its core, he probably felt the need to atone for 3i and did it. At the very core Aamir stands for an overtly emotional man who breaks the norms fuelled by his ‘emotions’. RDB does it violently, Dangal uses patriarchy to get it done. Lagaan is also similar but the villagers were forced to take up the challenge on brit terms. The day may come when indians can look beyond their colonial fascination of cricket, then this movie will hardly be the same.

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          • You don’t have to support a flop but you certainly need to do better than support a film that everyone else has also supported and pat yourself on the back then for being an ‘iconoclast’. That’s a contradiction in terms. What next? I’m an iconoclast because I like the Dark Knight?!

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          • What you support hardly matters without the reason (why) you support it. Hopefully the difference is not too subtle for you. Writing essays on ghosts of talaash or how memory loss in ghaijini is about forgetting great masala does not make them good films. Btw,Talaash did more than ok at BO, in case you think supporting it gives you a brownie point.

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      • You’re a tough person to please…

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  93. Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par
    3 Idiots

    (This I felt was easy compare to choices in Round of 16)

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  94. Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan
    Taare Zameen Par
    3 Idiots (Only because I care less about Sarfarosh compared to this one; basically, I’m in no hurry to watch either!)

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  95. RDB
    Lagaan
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar
    3 Idiots

    I’m not happy with this final four…my ideal final four would’ve been: AAA, PK, Lagaan and Rangeela. Lagaan is the clear fave…don’t see how it can lose from here on.

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  96. In view of the World Cup I am revisiting 1 film from each tournament. Today it’s the turn of Andaz Apna Apna. Dil Se done and time for something even more serious!

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  97. Quarter Finals:

    QSQT
    Lagaan
    JJWS
    Sarfarosh

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  98. IdeaUnique Says:

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  99. Update (2)

    Rang De Basanti 15 Vs Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 11
    Lagaan 25 Vs Earth 1
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 17 Vs Taare Zameen Par 9
    Sarfarosh 10 Vs 3 Idiots 16

    Some pretty decisive victories likely here. RDB Vs QSQT remains the closest match. 10 hours left…

    Lagaan has destroyed Earth in a walk over QF.
    Pehla Basha for TZP
    All Iz Well for 3 Idiots against Sarfarosh
    DJ and co are dancing on Raj and Reshmi’s grave…

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  100. One of the saddest endings in Bollywood films…

    Dying with laughter…

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  101. It looks like someone badly wants QSQT versus 3 Idiots. So that one of the favourite films win and the other favourite film will be a runner up!

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  102. Lagaan going to steamroll the competition.

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  103. tonymontana Says:

    Dangal is in no way in hell a better film than 3 idiots! the latter had a lot going for it. it was a wild joyride right from scene 1 till the time the credits started rolling. such films aren’t made regularly. it was insane the way the entire country went crazy over it, watching it again n again n again on a mass scale. and we were talking of a generation that has a hard time getting through a 3-minute youtube clip.

    Sorry to say, but Dangal is no patch on 3 idiots. the former is a sincere film at best which plays out exactly like a predictable sports drama. the birth of a star, the struggles faced, wins, rough patches and wins. add some father-daughter moments in between. it was all admirable to watch, but honestly there was nothing extraordinary about it.

    even the rural setup in dangal had a sweet-natured quality to it. this is what you’d get if Hirani started making biopics on wrestlers in Haryana! it didn’t really scratch the surface to go beyond the issues that we knew already on a basic level!

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    • Spot on Tony Montana

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    • I pick Dangal over 3 Idiots…I think Dangal lacked emotional connect like 3 idiots except may be during Naina song..Dangal was very well made..You can find multiple flaws in 3 idiots but the most you get in Dangal is caricaturist coach.

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      • Dangal over 3I is a completely reasonable choice. I could see this choice from either side.

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        • Shelf life is also important…Dangal is still very fresh in mind of many voters..

          I think we should have this exercise after 3-4 years and see how voting has changed (Assuming voters haven’t changed).

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          • Dangal is a much more important film. It skirts around the issue of gender inequality in India and almost takes the charge off such an explosive topic by wrapping it up in dollops of humour — but make no mistake, this film was much needed. Even with its heavy emotional charge, its pushing-the-buttons narrative, it’s a very welcome film.

            3 Idiots has nothing on Dangal. One is bound to get better mileage out of reading a Chetan Bhagat book in comparison.

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        • Quite a tough one that. Tbh Dangal wouldn’t make my final 8.

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  104. Basically those movies are which which started Lead actors’s stardom, type with which they will be associated in future

    SRK — DDLJ (Romantic)
    Aamir — Lagaan(Offbeat — mass + class movies)

    By This logic

    Salman — Dabangg
    Amitabh — Zanjeer / Deewar

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  105. For some of us who are very few or it is me only, a film is measured for many things and one of them is growth of a star or stagnation of a star.

    Has aamir stagnated at QSQT level that we should not look beyond and is his co star important in this poll??
    Is a film to be celebrated only for director’s vision like RDB?
    Is a film to be voted just because it reached some level at the Oscars like Lagaan?
    Is biggest grosser like Dangal should be the criterion?
    Is the most hilarious ones like AAA and 3 Idiots should get the vote?

    For SRK also this applies. His growth was witnessed in CDI, Swadesh, Raees, MNIK, Fan. He also tried experimentation but his image as a romantic star came in the way.

    Even if a star is good from the beginning, experimentation makes his outing much more interesting.

    A very good star actor can stagnate but his films should not stagnate at certain safe levels. Even if the films fail, the experimentation makes the star more interesting. Experimentation does not mean thoughtless selection of films.

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    • I’m glad you raised this. Since we are voting for films, and not just a single common factor (Aamir, in this case), I think your approach makes sense.

      Personally speaking, there are films like TZP and Dangal that always get me. I find them very emotional, even on repeat viewings (which is rare for me!) but these films essentially have a momentary impact. You watch the film and you move on with life. The catharsis over and with that any baggage of guilt I might have been carrying for some time.

      Since we are voting for films, I’d personally go for a film that provides a more immersive experience — something that gets into my nervous system and refuses to leave until I’ve discussed it, dissected it and read about it voraciously. That is a rare experience and can only come about when a film is truly well made (along with at least a good story). This also happens when the director respects the audience’s intelligence and resists spoon-feeding them. There is great fun in having those did you get that scene/reference/open-ending discussions with friends and fellow enthusiasts. That, I believe, is the true power of cinema.

      Judging by that criteria, only Rang De Basanti & Talaash fit the bill.

      And for Jay, who’s bemoaning QSQT’s exit — relax, this world cup is just like the IPL. Whichever team (film) wins, it belongs to India (Aamir) anyway!

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      • I’m only having a joke about it, venting peacefully. It’s not giving me sleepless nights! LOL!

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        • Admit it, Jay. You are stuck in a time warp!

          All your choices belong to the 90s 🙂

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          • It’s not even true. My semi final votes are both 00’s. QSQT was 80’s!

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          • Not falling for that!

            I think your vote for 3 Idiots is a vote against RDB 🙂

            Lagaan is from 2000, just one year after the 90s!

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          • I like all 4 semi finalists for different reasons.

            JJWS – my wife walked down to Pehla Nasha when we married. It’s also a song that has always calmed my son down from belly till now. The film is more than just a teenage fantasy. There is plenty of father son tension, brother brother tension. It’s got many different tracks.

            RDB – terrifically moving film. The best soundtrack left by far. What an ensemble cast! 10 years ago it might get my vote but not today.

            Lagaan – it would be quite remarkable to put up any defence to like this!

            3 Idiots – I don’t think there is a more entertaining film from the last decade, maybe LRM only pips it.

            And Lagaan is 2001. QSQT 88. Close enough to 90’s but not quite!

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          • “my wife walked down to Pehla Nasha when we married.”

            So it wasn’t the KKHH title song?

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          • That was back up. Even a backup groom was in place. And I was ready to dance to give her away!

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          • RDB is going to the final! My vote won’t change that!
            I don’t believe in tactical votes, only influencing others!

            I may watch RDB twice more in my life and ponder on many questions, all the technical camera work but I’ll probably watch 3 Idiots 20 more times and have a ball! I prefer the latter for now!

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          • Fair enough! Can’t argue with that…

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  106. Voting closed
    Quarter final results
    Rang De Basanti 15 Vs Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak 11
    Lagaan 25 Vs Earth 1
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 17 Vs Taare Zameen Par 9
    Sarfarosh 10 Vs 3 Idiots 16

    Semi Final draw – please vote by Thursday 8pm GMT

    Rang De Basanti Vs 3 Idiots
    Lagaan Vs Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar

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  107. My vote for semi finals
    3 Idiots
    Lagaan

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  108. Semis:

    3I
    Lagaan

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  109. Semi Final :

    Rang De Basanti
    Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar

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  110. In Semi final

    2 sports movie against each other
    2 Friendship based movie against each other

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    • More like teenage fantasy (JJWS) against revisionist fantasy (Lagaan)

      And nationalist rhetoric (RDB) pitted against propaganda masquerading as a film (3 Idiots)

      That is, if one is fond of needless reductionism.

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      • JJWS – A coming-of-age film loved by teens of early nineties.

        Lagaan – Its iconic status is an epitome of Indian obsession with a colonial game.

        RDB – Troublesome politics as labelled by advocates of indian democracy.

        3I – A bundle of ideological hypocrisy and contradictions in Hirani’s disney land.

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  111. Rang De Basanti

    Lagaan

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  112. AamirsFan Says:

    My vote:

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  113. thecooldude Says:

    3 Idiots
    Lagaan

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  114. thecooldude Says:

    Lagaan international trailer

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  115. I did watch Andaz Apna Apna yesterday. It’s going to win the Salman World Cup! What a laugh riot. I completely forgot how Juhi gets scared ala Darr early on when Amar is near her by the tree. Little things like this are funny throughout. But have to say isn’t Salman short changed in this film? Feels like Aamir gets more songs, more lines and more everything. Were the delays Salman’s fault?

    Anyway this is easily in my top 16 Aamir films. Easily in my top 2 Salman ones 😀

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    • Try to watch Jaane Bhi Do Yaaron. It’s a much better madcap comedy.

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    • tonymontana Says:

      Salman’s dumb act was the film’s highlight. found him better than Aamir’s oversmart avatar

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      • Salman’s dumb act is indeed funny here. Just saying it felt like he was short-changed compared to Aamir here…

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        • Both were good. One has to be dumber. And Salman remained so for a long time. And even in bajrangi he was dumb for a few scenes.
          Aamir was always the smart guy or oversmart from Rangeela, Dil, DCH, 3 Idiots to Toh from the trailers.
          He acted dumb in PK though.
          In AAA the dumber got the heiress as a sort of poetic justice.

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  116. Lagaan vs JJWS should really be the final. Anyhoo,

    RDB
    Lagaan

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  117. RDB
    JJWS

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  118. Lagaan leads 9-2
    Rang De Basanti leads 8-3

    Early on but looks like Rang De Basanti Vs Lagaan final is on the cards here! Let’s see what happens overnight…

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    • not surprised.. I think RDB is his most highly regarded movie with the multiplex audience other than lagaan. If you recall in those days it showed terrific trending.

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  119. Based on purely anecdotal evidence, JJWS is Aamir’s most well liked movie. I have seen the odd detractors even for Lagaan/RDB/TZP/DCH/AAA but yet to come across anyone disliking JJWS. It’s been more than 25 years but the film remains as fresh as ever. The cycle race during the climax is unforgettable. Too bad it ran into fricking Lagaan in the Semis 😦

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  120. RDB
    Lagaan

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  121. Semis:

    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan

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  122. Both RDB and Lagaan have Rehman’s Music. While JJWS has Jatin Lalit as MD and 3 Idiots has Shantanu Moitra as MD.

    My favourite song from JJWS

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  123. 3 Idiots for the sake of Jay who initiated this fun game.
    JJWS for that song alone. I know it has little chance.

    As Saket said whichever film wins, the winner here will be Aamir.

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  124. SFs

    3 Idiots
    Lagaan

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  125. No Brainer !

    3 Idiots

    Lagaan

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  126. tonymontana Says:

    3 idiots
    lagaan

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  127. SF
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    3I
    Lagaan

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  128. Toughest choice in the tournament between RDB and 3 Idiots.

    RDB
    Lagaan

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  129. Really tough. In line with my protest against 3I
    RDB
    Lagaan

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  130. tonymontana Says:

    as long as lagaan is in the final, im happy

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  131. aamirsaurabh Says:

    Semis

    RDB
    Lagaan

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  132. jayshah: what’s the score in semi finals?

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  133. RDB
    Lagaan

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  134. Update (2)
    Rang De Basanti 15 Vs 3 Idiots 8
    Lagaan 20 Vs Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 3

    Lagaan is heading into finals. RDB is pretty much confirmed. I may close voting tonight as these are significant leads here…means final will be over by Friday evening GMT instead of Sunday and I can take time off from World Cup’s…

    Latha, Sanjana you can reconsider heartbreak for Dangal and imagine how 3 Idiots fans feel… typically you shake hands with winner not stab them in the back! aamirsaurabh has deserted 3 Idiots when it mattered most! Qalander? What happened dude?

    RDB fans are dangerous fans! I’m not going out for walks in the morning with you lot around!

    Anyway form is temporary, class is permanent. Lagaan will take the sweetest revenge in the final 😀

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  135. SF Picks
    3 Idiots (Just to make it a close finale, i am OK with either)
    JJWS (Just on the account, that i have so many memories associated with this)

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  136. With Aamir, it become difficult from last 16 itself

    JJWS — One of my fav movie, very few movies in bollywood tell stories of brothers

    Talaash — As someone who lost a member in family, this movie
    shows the exact emotion what my mom went through.

    I voted for Lagaan, because it is very difficult to perfectly execute a movie this scale, and Lagaan is one such movie. Music, setup, actors(even british eactors were brilliant), screenplay .. everything is perfect

    If JJWS would’ve been against RDB, I may have for it.

    JJWS/RDB shows the fault which we have in our youth, while 3 idiots shows everything was perfect with Rancho.

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  137. This will be a dream final between Lagaan and RDB – both films represent strong anti-colonial sentiments. And this is right before ToH hoping to complete Aamir’s ‘Anti-colonial Superhit Trilogy’ (something MP was designed to do but failed).

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    • And for some context, Imdb has Lagaan at 8.1 (89K) and RDB at 8.2 (96K).

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      • Lagaan Oscar nomination Vs RDB bafta nomination…both have British female actresses lusting for Aamir’s character (Sue & Elizabeth)…both Rahman music…

        Epic final ahead… unless some vote changes happen… this is our final Bhuvan Vs DJ.

        Given the importance of decisions, very important you vote alphabetically 😀

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    • Jay’s Final is going to be like Nehru vs Bose … (with Gandhi watching out for whose back?)

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  138. The history of british oppression and the other oppressions are so distant that they look like fairy tales! Many did not participate in any freedom struggle as far as I know and they lived normal lives as we are leading now. Some of my distant relatives did participate but I dont have any details. We are south india based. I felt the freedom struggle mainly happened in north India and the south may also had its own stories. Even emergency did not affect many.

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  139. Amit Pandey Says:

    Semifinal:
    Rang De Basanti
    Lagaan

    PS: Felt really really bad and sad leaving JJWS out 😦 what a movie it was/is. It’s ill fate that it was opposite Lagaan which by far is superior to any movies listed in Aamir’s filmography and has such a tight beautifully woven story that you won’t feel bore at any moment. And Aamir had really put his heart out in this movie…

    saw 3 idiots more than RDB in theater at that time of their respective releases but now looking back i feel RDB script was close to perfect compare to 3I’s little gimmicky and aamir’s DJ was more likable and real compare to rancho..
    ps ps : sad for jjws missing out 😦 😦

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  140. Voting closed – executive decision…

    Rang De Basanti beats 3 Idiots 17-9
    Lagaan beats Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar 22-4

    Final starts NOW.

    LAGAAN VS RANG DE BASANTI
    Voting ends Friday 8pm GMT – earlier if either film has a significant lead. Typically maximum # of votes is hovering at 30! So this is it.

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  141. Final:

    Lagaan

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  142. My vote

    LAGAAN

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  143. Lagaan

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  144. Lagaan.

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  145. Amit Pandey Says:

    Final :
    Lagaan

    Chulhe se roti nikale ke liye, chimte ko apna mooh jalahe padi
    Joote ki talli kitni bhi moti ho … ghisat zaroor hai
    ap toh vaid ho. Peedha harte ho. Rogi ki naadi parakh karke uka ilaaj karte ho. Ka aapka sastra yehi kehta hai ki achoot ka ilaaj na kiya jaaye? Uka marne diya jaaye
    ap log mera saath de ya na de magar Kachra khelega!
    Bhuvan beta. Jo aakhen poori tarah se khul gayi hon unmein toh saram bhi nahi aa sakat.

    and many more……

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  146. aamirsaurabh Says:

    FINAL VOTE

    Rang De Basanti

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  147. Hard to choose but will go with Lagaan . I personally am not so much convinced about the love angle between the British actress and Bhuvan but barring that there is nothing in the movie to fault

    RDB is a much more fluid and balanced movie and I bought into the climax though it was troublesome.

    Lagaan changed a lot of things in the industry- sync sound, 1 schedule and many more. So for being a trendsetter Lagaan it is

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  148. FINAL VOTE :

    Rang De Basanti

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  149. Final:

    La…who am I kidding?

    Rang De Basanti

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  150. Lagaan 8-3 ahead currently…

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  151. Must say that I have quite enjoyed this. It may be the last time I participate in such an IPL-style World Cup.

    Looking back, I’ve pretty much outgrown most of Aamir’s earlier efforts like QSQT, JJWS etc. I’m (currently) a fan of cinema as a visual/aural medium, and also innovating story-telling, so most of the films in this particular competition don’t really cut it for me.

    But having said that, there’s an innate honestyabout some of Aamir’s films (Taare Zameen Par, for instance) that’s still quite captivating. TZP is one Aamir film I’ve seen more number of times compared to RDB & Talaash, combined. And it still gets me. Every single time. It’s not a particularly well made film. I can see the staging for what it is – a device to milk the maximum amount of empathy out of its audience, but because it’s an honest film, it still makes me shed a tear or two.

    I think that’s the best compliment I can give to Aamir – he’s at least very honest and sincere about what he does, even if the final product isn’t the most cutting edge, in terms of technology or cinematic achievement. He’s the only mainstream star whose films I end up watching on a regular basis – and it has everything to do with the trust that I place in his choice of scripts.

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    • Yes, it has been enjoyable. But take a break from such cups Jay, else this will become monotonous.

      DDLJ for Srk, Lagaan for Aamir. The winners have turned out so predictable and commonplace that its kinda lost its worth. Would have been interesting to do this more often if we had Swades and Rdb as winners …

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      • I don’t agree at all. There have been lots of surprises along the way. As for certain films winning and so on that’s true for sports as well. Most of the time things are very predictable, despite surprises at different points. My favorite Talaash got eliminated much earlier than I would have liked, QSQT also didn’t make the final. But it was still lots of fun.

        Finally it’s an insult to put Lagaan with DDLJ. The former is a far superior film in every sense imaginable. Just because it’s also popular doesn’t change this.

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      • I will pause and reflect. The way I see it, 1500 comments that may never have come at all. At a personal level I’d not have watched Dil Se or AAA again so for me I’ve had fun. Rest of you, who gives a crap LOL! Joking…but you either play or you don’t. Simple as!

        And RDB & Swades got to the final dude! Surely you’d pick a non finalist to make your point.

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    • I still get lump in throat when I hear Maa in TZP..In Dangal with Naina..Probably it has to do with how you relate with song..
      Recently I saw Hachi: A Dog’s Tale and cried a bucket.

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  152. RANG DE BASANTI

    Period.

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  153. Certainly enjoyed the journey. Final result is only a formality.
    Jay is superb with his commentary. Without that, the world cup would have been banal and dull.
    My regret is absence of Dangal in the finals. Lagaan is a second choice. I knew Talaash has no chance.
    There are too many good films to choose from. That posed a big problem while choosing one against the other.

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  154. tonymontana Says:

    I loved RDB. A pretty anazing film that I saw over 5 times in theater..

    But Lagaan is a cinematic experience that remains unparalleled for me. Never have I ever been so bowled over bu the sheer power of cinema. This is a triumph like no other, and my favourite Hindi film of all time, for I have never been so overwhelmed by any other film..

    My final vote: Lagaan, any time anyday

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  155. AamirsFan Says:

    Final Vote:

    Lagaan. This is an appropriate winner. This film helped changed Aamir’s career path and put him into a different stratosphere later on. Aamir jumped into an iconic status with the likes of RK, Dilip and Bachchan with this film.

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  156. thecooldude Says:

    Re Bhayya JEETAY Lagaan !

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  157. I’ve gently warmed towards Lagaan through the tournament. QSQT would have provided me a decision to ponder on but Lagaan is such a game changer. To reduce this to something like a fantasy or sports film is unfair. Don’t forget a fantastic soundtrack and just a stupendous script. The cricket match had anything and everything possible in it! It’s a clinic in filmmaking to integrate the cricket match into the story and for sure Aamir’s greatest moment. Everyone involved brought their A game.

    For a 3hr45min film that is predominantly very Bollywood to appease the Oscar jury was a huge feat IMO. From the onset my brain was with Lagaan and my heart with QSQT. These 2 will remain my favourite Aamir films for sure. Everything else is par or birdie, these 2 are hole in one’s.

    It ticks all the boxes as cinema goes! I watched it full house and every ball or run was cheered on the third day. It was thunderous applause throughout. Even the British were abused by the British!

    All of this post Mela!

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    • thecooldude Says:

      Lagaan for me still is the greatest cinema going experience….I remember a TV crew interviewed me at the interval and I gave a glowing review for the first half! and the cricket match! nothing else can be said about it…and to think that Aamir never made cricket part of his promotion…some people guessed that the movie would have cricket but no one had any idea that the cricket match would be almost 1/3 of the movie.

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    • It is a classic underdog story. They could have easily replaced cricket with Gilli-Danda and it would have still worked. Would not have resonated as much but you get the idea.

      The same underdog theme is there in JJWS as well. It’s a classic trope and has worked in movies across industries (Rocky, in Hollywood, for example).

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    • tonymontana Says:

      Lagaan when it released was unlike I anything I had ever seen. with it I realized the immense power cinema has on anyone’s senses.

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  158. thecooldude Says:

    I noticed that for both SRK and Aamir, Jay’s poster gave away the winner 🙂 so for Bachchan, how about you put the still from Ram Gopar Verma ki Aag!

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  159. I make it 10-4 to Lagaan as it’s not clear if thecooldude has voted.

    Theoretically it’s only 9-4 as Sanjana might change or 9-5 if she picks RDB.

    Officially 10-4 to Lagaan.

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  160. Lagaan off course! Twas the only movie I was certain of selecting if it progressed to the Big Dance.
    BOI may think of us as dimwits for selecting a movie that was just a BO hit, and not one of his ATBBs from 2008 onwards.
    But it was this very movie which won him boatloads of fans and a subsequent 2 decade superstardom.

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    • I started liking Aamir since Rangeela. Lagaan was just the icing on the cake.

      Anyone who had followed Aamir in the 90s knew he was charting his own course. His films, barring the ones with Darshan & Indra Kumar, were way better than the competition.

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      • His 90s career was a bit of a head-scratcher for me. Gems like QSQT, JJWS, Sarfarosh mixed with some avg love stories and some horrible crap. He was finding his way through the maze back then, and perhaps needed that mixed bag to arrive at the unique perspective which gave him the launching pad from Lagaan onwards.

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    • the thing about the box office that BOI don’t quite understand (or pretend not to, the same goes for many fans) is that two seemingly contradictory propositions are at once true:

      1)Cinema is the most commercial art-entertainment form imaginable. the box office is the bottom-line for everything.
      2)Cinema is never just about the box office.

      Let’s take the Aamir example again. Let’s assume a career where Mela is a big one and where he can somehow keep getting big ones doing films with the likes of Indra Kumar and Dharmesh Darshan. In this case he would be a very different sort of star. He wouldn’t really become the star he has been since Lagaan and DCH and so on. Much as the star who did Lagaan was in a much better place to reinvent himself than the star who did the even bigger (box office) Gadar.

      The box office is always essential but it doesn’t follow that the ‘greatest’ box office success possible is always better than a somewhat lesser one. Now of course there is always the Salman kind of star who might do utter junk and keep putting up big numbers. One can hardly argue against this. But this sort of paradigm is defeated very easily in a historic sense. Because the films that matter are the better ones. Even as classics the better films matter (DDLJ, not KKHH, despite this 20 year anniversary stunt Johar has pulled!). Of course you can have the phenomenon who’s the greatest box office force and also considered a great actor and therefore does a mix of both. But this is a very rare occurrence.

      But finally — and this is the most important point — cinema is defined, specially over the long term, at least as much by ‘prestige’ films that were often initial box office (and even critical) failures, as it is by ‘hits’. In fact the pendulum swings even more in the direction of the former over time. This isn’t just about ‘history’. Because in any ‘present’ of any film industry there are always enough people willing to take risks to make the kinds of movies they want to. It’s obviously always a struggle when the box office results are not there but there are people up for this task. In any case this isn’t an idea construct but a pragmatic one. This ‘is’ the history of cinema. The box office as the ultimate bottom-line but then also all the filmmakers for whom there are other goals greater than this reality. Many of them got destroyed in the process. It’s a brutal business. It’s not an easy choice to make in one’s lifetime but historical assessments are a different matter. We remember Kaagaz ke Phool. I doubt anyone most people could name (without googling it) the top hits of the 50s!

      And so back to these World Cups. Between SRK and Aamir we see by and large better stuff making it to the top relative to the arc of each actor’s career. This doesn’t mean a much loved classic cannot win but this doesn’t argue against anything. Cinema is also the history of its much loved perennial classics that are not necessarily its greatest films.

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  161. Final: Lagaan

    I love both RDB and Lagaan so personally would have been happy with either outcome. That said, I went with Lagaan because I think Aamir is more pivotal to Lagaan’s success than Rang De Basanti’s.

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  162. Lagaan. Final.

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  163. I have concern with RDB in the finals with Lagaan.
    In no way can RDB beat other better movies of Aamir in contentions earlier if the folks had seen the movies in theatre. I have seen all in theatres.

    I find most of us here watch movies on TV or laptops. There are certain cinemas which are neutral and can be equally enjoyed in any format. But there are those few gems which you have to watch it on big screen to see the magic. And here the movies like Dangal and 3 Idiots will probably score over and above RDB, which is an above average movie but not brilliant to come to top 2.

    Lagaan is the movie between the two for me.

    Suggestion –

    Next time please separate the votes in the categories –
    Watched in cinemas – full 1 point;
    watched elsewhere – 0.5 vote only

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  164. Rang De Basanti.

    I wasn’t a huge Aamir admirer till I saw this film. I never saw Lagaan in Theatre.

    It was after RDB, I saw Lagaan and DCH. I was blown away by the work.

    But the tipping point was and shall remain RDB. A fun frolic movie as per trailers, and then the movie takes you for a Rollercoaster of emotions and angst.

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  165. Lagaan leads 15-5…

    It’s fair to say Rang De Basanti has been the film of the tournament. It’s faced Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar, PK, Ghulam, Dil Chahta Hai, Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak, 3 Idiots and now Lagaan. It’s knocked out all those films except JJWS and now faces the colossal Lagaan. That Knockouts route is quite remarkable, DCH/QSQT/3 Idiots! It must be absolutely shattered here!

    Lagaan faced Akele Hum Akele Tum, Dhobi Ghat, Dil, Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin, Earth & Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar – on paper an easier route. Well rested, primed for the final. Unlike the film it’s making the final look a bit more straightforward at this stage.

    We still have some time for things to change…

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  166. My wishlist
    Bachchan
    Salman
    Akshay
    Ajay Devgn

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  167. tonymontana Says:

    When Lagaan released and once I finished seeing it, I remember being severely pissed by people who told me that Gadar was a much better film and Lagaan was not a patch on it. I didn’t even know where to begin. these were the people who were easily swayed by crap jingoistic cinema.

    and then there were idiots who told me that “I haven’t seen Lagaan properly, i just skipped to the end when the match began.” How do you argue with people like these?

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    • tonymontana Says:

      and that’s why I say: Lagaan was just not about the cricket match! First and foremost, it revolutionized Hindi cinema and changed the very nature of storytelling, while at the same time reinforcing its importance

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    • In my personal experience, the Gadar-Lagaan bias fell mostly on North-South lines. Most of my Northern friends loved Gadar, whereas most Southerners loved Lagaan (mainly bcoz they just cud not relate to the emotional undercurrent of Gadar).
      I have seen neither on the big screen, as I was posted in the boondocks for some projects back in 2001. Saw both on video, on horrible prints, and was blown away by both. Just two totally different raw emotions had been yanked out from deep within by these two movies.

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    • Wud add that if Jay ever decided to do a Sunny Deol tournament, Gadar may have a good shot at winning it all. Even though most of his work is from the 80s-90s, full of OTT shouting and action, and some ridiculous left-foot dance attempts!

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  168. Final:

    Lagaan

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  169. Final Vote:
    Lagaan
    Watched it in a single screen cinema in Mumbai, have not witnessed the audience reaction like in Lagaan ever for a movie before or after. The audience cheering every wicket taken and every run scored by Bhuvan’s team.
    We all knew Bhuvan was going to hit the six on the last ball, right through facing that ball, his whole life flashing in front of him was so brilliant. He hits it, the british fielder catches it and we are like wtf only to realize he has crossed the boundary line and then the Hum Jeet Gaye line. The whole theatre went wild.

    Though i like RDB, my vote goes to Lagaan.

    This from one of the reviews of the film by Pritish Nandy.
    “What makes a great movie? A great story? A powerful script? Brilliant performances? Imaginative direction? Remarkable cinematography? What about music? In India, music and choreography are also critical since we love watching song sequences. Drama? Emotions? Thrills? Production values? Heart-stopping, power-packed scenes? What happens when you have them all in one movie? Is it possible for anyone to make such a movie?

    If you had asked me this question last week, I would have said: Possible, yes, but unlikely.”

    “Today, that distinction has vanished, thank God! What you have now is not commercial cinema versus art cinema. It is good cinema versus bad cinema. And that is how it should be.”

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    • Lagaan doesn’t have a great story. Powerful script? yes.

      Brilliant performances? Hardly. Imaginative Direction? Nope.

      Music? Good, but not great.

      Drama/Emotions/Thrills? Yes, the stakes against the bully were built up nicely.

      Production Values? For its time, yes.

      Heart-stopping, power-packed scenes? Maybe…

      The hyperbole of that age isn’t really justified today…!

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    • If there is any film I could watch in India in the cinema it would be Lagaan (of those that I watched in cinema). No doubt about it.

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      • Yes, that is true. It’s quite an experience in the theaters. Hardly anyone can deny that.

        On a personal level though, things can be quite different.

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        • Having said that, even though the film followed a classic underdog template, the attempt to fit a cricket match into the mix was quite audacious for its time.

          There were hardly any good commercial films, in Hindi, that had sports as a backdrop (Hip Hip Hurray is the only one I can recall; not a commercial, mainstream film) and the ones that came out like Awwal Number were so bad that filmmakers would have thought ten times before even attempting one. So in that respect, Lagaan did break new ground.

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          • If you debate with yourself long enough you might change your mind! 😀

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          • I had tough time giving my choice. I probably have more connect with RDB but Lagaan canvas, execution, cricket match in 1893 just hit the ball out of ground.

            Everything working in a movie was like winning this:
            https://www.yahoo.com/gma/mega-millions-powerball-lotteries-now-1-billion-combined-165814961–abc-news-topstories.html

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          • No chance! 🙂

            It’s possible for me to acknowledge Lagaan’s strengths while I’m completely bowled over by the personal intimacy of a film like RDB.

            I’m actually surprised Rakeysh Mehra has made commercial hits in Bollywood. He makes very personal, deeply resonant films that tend to have a very unique voice. I’d never trade that for a commercial potboiler, no matter how well the latter’s been made.

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          • Anyway get set for martyrdom! There are 6 of you, I suppose it’s fitting given 6 went a away in RDB (5 at the end + Madhavan) and Bhuvan battered that 6!

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          • And match was almost half of the movie. Most Hollywood movies are that long.

            I saw it in Southern California area. We didn’t get ticket first day, next day we went early. I didn’t see the movie again till recently.

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          • This is one potential criticism of the film. It’s a bit of once in a lifetime watch. The impact on repeat watch isn’t the same – at least for me. And maybe RDB will stay the distance for 50 years, But I am no astrologer…and I will be lucky to see that day!

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          • I think it is difficult to please everyone. And Aamir wanted midway. He is more inclined towards commercial cinema as that will be watched by many. And not potboiler type but sensible story telling. Just because a film is liked by many it will not be fair to call it commercial potboiler. That I will associate with Sajid Khan, Rohit Shetty and their ilk.

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          • Commercial potboiler isn’t a pejorative term. There are many great films, across the globe, which can be identified as such.

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          • Lagaan is not exactly a commercial potboiler. Gadar easily overtook it. And for that matter even RDB had all the commercial elements like rousing music, herogiri, dramatic martyrdom, male bonding etc.

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          • RDB has commercial elements but it’s not structured like a commercial film. Far from it. Even the music, the song picturizations are unique, more inward-looking, to be precise.

            Don’t want to sound snobbish at all, but RDB is the work of an auteur, which may not mean much (or anything at all) to everyone, but it does mean quite a lot to me.

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          • IMO Songs in RDB were best utilized/integrated in movie…
            I was very disappointed with Mehra with D6 which again had very fine tracks..

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          • Someone did a paper on RDB!

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        • It is villagers’ earthy smartness versus cityfolks’ flashy smartness.
          RDB dazzled multiplex viewers.

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  170. Lagaan!

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  171. What is the score as of now?

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  172. Time to throw a spanner in the works. Call it a last ditch effort, if you please.

    Lagaan isn’t a unique film by any means. It has many plot similarities with Dilip Kumar’s Naya Daur, itself a ground-breaking film.

    People who have seen the latter will know what I’m talking about.

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  173. The original thing is Mahabharat where dice was used to get kingdoms and lose kingdoms. Pandavas were like Lagaan folks and the british were Kauravas. So Naya Daur was not a big deal.

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  174. We, who voted for Lagaan did not try to bring down RDB in any way. We are in awe of that film. But why RDB fans are trying to bring down Lagaan? Even in jest, it makes a sad statement. Lagaan has its points and some took the trouble of explaining it. Articulation could not have worked for a simple story like Lagaan. For the same reason Dangal is also liked. A direct story telling without resorting to any articulation and flourishes. These may not be auteur’s cup of tea. I enjoy both kinds of films. Lagaan, Dangal as well as RDB and Talaash. And respect all of them equally.

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    • Dont be sore losers! Have some sportsmanship!

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    • I’ve not tried to bring down Lagaan at all. Just offered a counterpoint to the claims calling it an epochal event in Hindi cinema. That is certainly not true.

      Even the Oscar nomination wasn’t a first. I don’t mind people voting for Lagaan but please don’t make it look like Hindi cinema was in the dark ages before this film burst on scene.

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      • Lagaan was s career turning point for aamir, not for cinema.

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        • Absolutely. It did redefine our expectations from commercial cinema, but let’s be honest, it didn’t have a long-lasting effect.

          One needs to just look around and see what we get these days in the name of entertainment.

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          • Technically itself rdb is superior, even if one does not support the politics. But i cant sit thru ddlj and it beat swades by a mile! Jay’s finals are traditional flop shows …

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          • And its only aamir film to play with a nonlinear narrative, isnt it?

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      • If someone calls it epochal event then that does not reflect general consensus. And everyone knows that it is only third Oscar nomination and why only first one should be applauded? Every Oscar nomination will be celebrated. What is wrong with being the third or fourth one?
        Who said that hindi cinema was in dark ages before Lagaan? Some only said that the experience was phenomenal because they did not watch anything like it before because they might not have been born or they might have been too small. Or they might not have been touched by some other film.
        Recent memory also plays a part in these assumptions.
        Most of the folks watch cinema for entertainment and they dont analyse deeply to make a perfect analysis. They have got a different take.

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      • DCH is more epochal in a sense and changed cinema.
        I haven’ said word on Lagaan coz I don’t believe in degrading one thing 2 show another in good light

        RDB stands on its own and it does MAJESTICALLY.

        I don’t get awards and nominations making movie great.

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      • I disagree..I think double strike of Lagaan, DCH showed that people can have realistic (in terms of dialogue and presentation) within confines of commercial cinema..RGV was making such movies but his scale was small and cast not A-Listers. 90s was atrocious for most part it didn’t add anything to cinema except going to foreign locations for shoot.

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  175. I change my vote to Rang De Basanti

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  176. tonymontana Says:

    Presenting the Naya Daur example to undermine the importance of Lagaan in cinema for changing viewpoints is giving oneself too much importance. I do not wished to bring much of comparison, as I have a weakness for both films. but ill just add my two cents for both films because some people have done the same.

    Lagaan is a classic definition of the the celebration of goodness over evil or wrongdoing, and it is suitably showy as Sholay, Mother India and Mughal E Azam. The result is overbearing and resulting in the quintessential Hindi film. It reinforces why we love cinema and go to the movies in the first place. Aamir has since dabbled in various genres and succeeded greatly, but he hasn’t been able to evoke the same magic like he did with Lagaan. never has audience been INVOLVED in a film ever since! Is it the sheer power of its storytelling and the subsequent build-ups. Is it the colourful and wild characterization that went into it? Is it Anil Mehta’s cinematography? Rahman’s music? Or the resources coming together and giving their absolute best, in a film that was, on paper, impossible to conceive? (For those who haven’t checked the making on Netflix, they’re missing out on a great documentary). Lagaan was an event. A film that reached dizzying heights of greatness despite goof-ups in the filmmaking process.

    Coming to RDB, I enjoyed the major part of it. Yes, u=including the climax. But I won’t deny that the politics has been problematic and acted as a catalyst to a social media generation that watches, disses, criticizes the system but then what does it do: splurge away resources impulsively! And when it decides it is time to take action, that is not out of love for the country, but as an act of revenge that has clouded logic and sense. And the film portrays them as modern-day versions of the great revolutionaries in an India that has quickly forgotten their sacrifice (if you’d call it so). even the aftermath is shown in a quick, wrapping-up way. show a few sad faces, protests at Jantar Mantar/India Gate and no explanation on the actual effect of this “act of violence”. Doesn’t that sum up the attitude of today’s generation on social media? Write some pseudo-intellectual rant, show your liberal support on some chain of events, and move on to the next thing without giving actual care about anything!

    RDB was the face of this social media generation and, in a way, celebrates it as rebellious! It is wild and well made and all that, but it is rather misguided and shallow in its approach.

    Lagaan might be inspired from Naya Daur, but does a rather good job at it, the end result being several notches higher than that film. Just like Mother India was a refined version of Aurat. Its greatness cannot be defined other than being experienced. Also, can the RDB fans also provide a link to the quaint film from which RDB was inspired, besides taking obvious buddy-film inspirations from DCH?

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    • This is a well thought out response, tonymontana. Really enjoyed reading it but I will have to disagree with some of your claims. You say that never has audience been INVOLVED in a film ever since!

      That’s a tall claim to make because Gadar made more than twice the money that Lagaan did, and for all practical purposes, I think the audience was probably more involved when Sunny Deol pulled out that infamous hand-pump from the ground. That’s audience participation for you, and frankly, at a personal level, which is what a cinematic experience is all about, these anecdotal stories don’t count for much. Any generation of movie watchers will have some such story to share. Personal involvement is a highly subjective thing and can’t be held as the criteria to anoint any film as great.

      Lagaan was an event. A film that reached dizzying heights of greatness despite goof-ups in the filmmaking process.

      This is another assertion. What do you mean by dizzying heights of greatness? Does the film alter any prevalent discourse on cinema? Does it have a great message that moves the audience beyond the obvious dose of entertainment that it provides? Does it offer an example of deep thinking by the filmmaker? Forget the style of delivery of the message because there isn’t one to begin with!

      Regarding RDB, the film actually delivers a message. It’s not the most clearly worded message, I agree, but it’s there nonetheless. It isn’t overly preachy, certainly not heavy-handed and rather ambiguous in nature. From what I can gather, the film argues that it takes a certain kind of madness to initiate a revolution. One has to be a bit crazy to resort to violence, which it implies is what the freedom fighters indulged in as well (they too did it because they were personally affected. Remember Jalian Wala Bagh?) but the fim argues, that’s not the only solution. In a clearly worded section, it asks the viewers to take a more refined route – become IAS officers, enter politics, do whatever you can to help clean up the system. Because, we, as a whole have created this system. The film asks the hypothetical question as to what Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Azad, Sukhdev, Rajguru and Ram Prasad Bismil would do in this modern era when the enemy is not an external entity but an entire nation’s apathy.

      Even if this isn’t the message that people get out of the movie, there is still something to chew upon and reflect. This isn’t an empty movie that was made for the sole purpose of minting money. It stimulates the audience’s thought process and does it in a refined, subversive way. The filmmaker’s choices, his method of delivery, accentuate his ideas without being overbearing or distracting for that matter. That, I believe, is where a film starts to aspire towards greatness.

      For a film to be truly great, it has to pass the test of time. It has to be universal enough to invoke the same passion, the same feelings for the coming generations. It has to be skillfully made to not lose its appeal over time, to appeal to different cultures and social mores prevalent in a different era and yet not lose its own identity. Now think about Pyaasa, think about Kaagaz Ke Phool. These are timeless classics. And based on their enhanced reputation over time, I’ve been keen to proclaim similar longevity for RDB (and also Talaash, which is more of a genre film but spectacularly made, and offers a great social commentary).

      Finally, to repeat myself, what we call “great” art is something that in addition to being beautiful, also has a message, a statement, a communication with the audience (a universality across time & cultures) and a reason for being. It is a fulfilling, enriching experience that enters one’s nervous system and refuses to leave. At the very least, it evokes a response that goes beyond yes, I was thoroughly entertained!

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      • Satyam ki aatma ghus gayi hai dono mei 🙂

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      • tonymontana Says:

        Thanks for taking time to read it all and your discourse, Saket. I’d like to reply with random thoughts but I’ll on the points one by one.

        Of course Gadar made more money, and so did many other films that time. Even K3G did later that year. And Im sure some of Salman’s fans will agree that Bodyguard was a great experience because some bhai fans danced every time he appeared on screen. Cheap thrills maybe? But whether we agree or not, that’s the state of cinema today. Audience participation is maximum when the hero flexes his muscles and beats up the baddies or mouthes a cheesy line. That’s Indian massy entertainment. But how many times have we recalled cheering for a group of puny sized villagers in a quaint village overburdened by taxes and oppressed by a ruling authority? Audience participation becomes all the more challenging when the film demands seriousness instead of timepass affair. I’ve recalled Chak De India and 3 idiots getting applause regularly along with RDB. But nothing as thunderous as Lagaan, and I’m not certainly counting for cheap entertainment..otherwise Mithun releases in shady B town theatres can be taken into consideration as well

        It’s one way for Lagaan to be looked upon as nothing beyond entertainment. One way to look at it is a guide on situational leadership, disaster management and also a motivational case study (it got into IIMs syllabus the year after it released), maybe a triumph of the will and a lesson in screenplay and character development (from a filmmaking point of view). Also an example of a modern-day western with its period backdrop, Captain Russell being the town bully and our hero the rebel who takes on the villain. Its themes can well be the subject of a major cinematic discourse and Hollywood’s fascination with it itself can be a point of great debate. I feel that much to its discredit, it hasn’t inspired great discussion on this forum and elsewhere, which it so greatly deserves when compared to masala works like Sholay (it has books depicting the making, production, development and so on) that are just empty, to put it mildly.

        On RDB, I don’t have much else to add, but the message you talk about comes at the cost of diluting the morality of the film. It just gets a little “strange” towards the end. and what is the ultimate message in question: love thy country? or sacrifice? paint me saffron? Quite convenient. RDB for all its merits gets too haphazard by the end, ( i didn’t mind it, though). I’d call Lagaan a less flawed and more complete work.

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        • I attempted to make sense out of ending or politics.

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        • have enjoyed your exchange with Saket on Lagaan/RDB. I can’t really get into a long comment at the moment except to say that I’d easily pick Lagaan over RDB as a complete achievement. It’s not even close to my mind. I also think it’s been underestimated in some ways (odd as this might sound). I certainly disagree with Saket in terms of its soundtrack or its cinematography and so on. It’s a very poetic, fable-like film which gets everything right, specially given the improbable nature of the subject. RDB meanwhile is a messy narrative as far as I’m concerned as well as politically muddled. But yes Mehra brings enormous strengths to the table here as a formal matter, visually and otherwise (it might be one of the best examples of a soundtrack narratively integrated into a film) and certainly there are a number of strong moments in the film. Having said that I do think you’re describing Lagaan’s response in very subjective terms. I don’t agree that no film has seen this kind of response since. But again, and even as someone who loves QSQT or Talaash, I don’t believe Aamir has ever been associated with a better overall film than Lagaan. And to repeat I am not really judging it by all the usual hype (Oscar et al).

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          • I think the Oscar nomination is quite important and impressive here. The last film before this was what late 80’s and nothing since has threatened. Aside from the rareness of the event, the fact that a 3hr30 min film, with very Bollywoodish roots based on village folk got to the final 5 is pretty impressive. It’s still displays the essence of Bollywood whilst appeasing the western critics.

            And Hollywood films are typically half this length with no songs. So for the kind of film it was to get that far it must have ticked many boxes for the jury members.

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        • It’s one way for Lagaan to be looked upon as nothing beyond entertainment. One way to look at it is a guide on situational leadership, disaster management and also a motivational case study (it got into IIMs syllabus the year after it released), maybe a triumph of the will and a lesson in screenplay and character development (from a filmmaking point of view). Also an example of a modern-day western with its period backdrop, Captain Russell being the town bully and our hero the rebel who takes on the villain. Its themes can well be the subject of a major cinematic discourse and Hollywood’s fascination with it itself can be a point of great debate.

          I’m afraid a lot of these meaningful readings do stretch one’s credulity a little. At best they are add-ons (disaster management? Situational leadership? As for IIMs, do think a certain Lalu Prasad Yadav also lectured there) to impart some meaning to an entertaining tale. It’s as if Lagaan can’t just be enjoyed for what it is – a thoroughly entertaining yarn. It needs that veneer of respectability by ascribing all sorts of arty-farty labels to it.

          On RDB, I don’t have much else to add, but the message you talk about comes at the cost of diluting the morality of the film. It just gets a little “strange” towards the end. and what is the ultimate message in question: love thy country? or sacrifice? paint me saffron? Quite convenient. RDB for all its merits gets too haphazard by the end, ( i didn’t mind it, though). I’d call Lagaan a less flawed and more complete work.

          What is the ultimate message in RDB? I can’t say for sure (my reading can’t be the ultimate one!), but I think people can come up with a variety of meanings for the film’s climax. And people usually do. I will agree that Lagaan is a less flawed film but that’s because it’s a less ambitious film…in every possible way! And trust me, I wouldn’t be arguing against Lagaan if it was one.

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          • “I will agree that Lagaan is a less flawed film but that’s because it’s a less ambitious film”

            But it doesn’t follow that an ambitious film ‘has to be’ a more flawed film. In other words, a richer film might be more interesting than the competition even with its flaws but this doesn’t make the flaws acceptable as a matter of course. Or differently still RDB to my mind does not constitute the level of achievement where its flaws would be excusable in this sense. There are certain kinds of films that create ‘deadlocks’ if you will, not because the director hasn’t done his job but that the thinking on something has been pushed into a direction where a convincing resolution simply isn’t possible or at least every difficult to conceive. The same happens in other art forms as well. I can think of several great novels that have this problem. The ending of War and Peace for example. Or the Crime and Punishment one that its writer revisited several times before coming up with the current one. But RDB isn’t that kind of film. It’s not really that profound a subject, it’s concerns are not deep enough in the same sense. I’d go further and say Talaash is a much deeper, more interesting film than RDB. Finally, and inasmuch as Lagaan is not a polemical film the way RDB is, I don’t see how this is a burden for its narrative. In much the same way that a great John Ford Western can be a fine film without having to be much more than it is.

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          • A quick example here. For me Deewar or Trishul or Kaala Pathar are phenomenal scripts. Deewar especially has some incredible subtexts to it. On the other hand, and precisely for this reason I consider the final moment of each film a sad cop-out. Understandable in a box office sense but nonetheless a letdown of the script. But RDB is not this level of achievement where one could forgive it so easily. Now how might a richer (on my terms) RDB (again I’m not debating box office potential here) be conceived? A film where precisely the somewhat nihilistic act of assassination leads to all its dark consequences and here the parallel with the freedom movement would be exactly this — that here too there were a number of nihilistic acts that seem meaningful in retrospect or because they were instantly mythologized in the larger contexts of the struggle. One could easily link Bhagat Singh (for example) to such a moment. For his politics (often repressed but which was radically left in some ways) or for his act. The film hints at some of this of course but takes everything back in the last 45 min or so. Again Deewar. The true heart of the critique here involves really the nation-state itself! From the saare jahan se achcha moment in the beginning to the impoverished teacher towards the end, these moments shame the viewer. Yes becoming a gangster is unethical or immoral but consider the lack of both on the part of the State itself! Or take Awara (even more daring than Trishul) where so much that is interrogated from paternity to class and so on but nothing is taken away by the end. It’s a dark ending, the only honest one for the film. Deewar is still sort of ok in this sense but not Trishul (otherwise my favorite film in the world) or Kaala Pathar. RDB I think is a very seductive film at many levels (I myself voted for it at a crucial point in Jay’s poll) but candidly its politics is really much ado about nothing. And even then its muddled.

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          • Finally, and inasmuch as Lagaan is not a polemical film the way RDB is, I don’t see how this is a burden for its narrative. In much the same way that a great John Ford Western can be a fine film without having to be much more than it is.

            I’ve made the same argument. Let’s enjoy Lagaan for what it is.

            And why should one only enjoy a perfect narrative? Why should one settle for a less flawed film? Why shouldn’t one applaud or invest in greater ambition? Especially if a tale, imbued with a certain amount of ambition, is narrated by a director like Mehra.

            But RDB isn’t that kind of film. It’s not really that profound a subject, it’s concerns are not deep enough in the same sense. I’d go further and say Talaash is a much deeper, more interesting film than RDB.

            It’s deeper than Lagaan. Its concerns are also higher than Lagaan‘s, which is the film it’s competing against. In this final. Hence the argument on thematic depth.

            Even otherwise, I don’t see how a film can be slighted for trying to rise above merely entertaining its audience, which by the way, I have no issues with. That’s perfectly fine, but people don’t flock to see a Guru Dutt classic for its entertainment quotient. Some people always want more from their cinema.

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          • ‘Some people always want more from their cinema.’

            Hence you have a vote and maybe your conclusion is that we are useless judges of cinema and you’re better!

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          • Huh? Did I say that?

            Why should anyone have an issue if I expect more from the films I tend to watch? No, really, why?

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          • No I don’t think you understood me. It was a joke. You haven’t said that I know. Sarcasm dude! Mine is pretty bad…I didn’t mean it like that.

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          • No worries! Phew…thought I had somehow said something too insensitive…which unfortunately, does happen much to my own discomfort.

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          • I’d just repeat a few things here.. I’m making the opposite point, that RDB is not a deeper film than Lagaan! But let’s leave this aside. I do think you’re being too reductive on Lagaan by thinking of it mere entertainment.

            On the ambition point I am all for more ambitious films. But then they must be judged by their ambition in both directions. In other words I am of course not saying that DDLJ is a better film than RDB because the former is not flawed for its subject while the latter is. What I am saying is that Lagaan is not DDLJ for that comparison to work. Nor is RDB Pyaasa for it to work in the other sense. I’d agree with the ambition point you’re making even if I prefer the word ‘interesting’. A lot of very interesting films are not really ‘ambitious’ efforts. And being flawed is not an automatic disqualification either. But its a question of ‘how’ a film is flawed. Dil Se passes the test for me (like most of late Ratnam over the past 20 years, Hindi and Tamil), RDB does not. Yes Mehra places the bar higher than is usually the case for major commercial films these days. But he must also be judged by those same standards. Otherwise I’d be happy to pick RDB over dozens of other commercial Hindi films from the same era. I prefer ‘flawed’ RDB to less-flawed Fanaa. But the Lagaan comparison isn’t one I can accept. Because I see Lagaan too as that deeper film which is more sly about its meaning(s) in some ways but a formidable achievement one way or the other. I don’t see it at all as just a superior entertainer. Not objecting to you wanting ‘more’ from your films otherwise.