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Like I said, I liked and enjoyed TOH very much and the people with me too. Maybe because I don’t know and expect all the hero stories in Hindi movies and I’m not Indian. I will see the film again soon.
I can perhaps understand what u said better than u expect me too. :p
Watch while its still in theaters! I will too … and i think this may work to some extent in china as an indianized version of a disney adventure film. They dont know nor care much abt masala. We will see …
And watch out for the MB series. Aamir is all about concept films. And this Indian epic is really the best epic story out there in ages and arguably better than its international counterparts. Its a shame that we lament so much at a missed opportunity of a great masala outing, but not that interested when a guy like Aamir takes on the challenge to bring MB to life, that too in a platform like Netflix. Instead we will talk nonsense in that thread too.
I know the Ramayana (and now I understand the Indians’ love for great heroes), but MB was too big for me so far. Should Aamir confirm I will read it. But he can only make it international, as different movies like SeSu (socially relevant and content driven) and now TOH (pure entertainment) have proven. Indians in general appreciate his work too little in my opinion. He should be active exclusively in own productions and become clearly more international. There will be extremely much negativity in India against an MB of him and these forces are very strong, so I am against an MB. Imagine only the slightest incorrectness, committed by a Muslim! It is extrem explosive material and telling new stories would be less problematic (I prefer it). But internationally MB can do a lot for Indian cinema and Indian culture – but that’s another thing.
For me, Aamir’s biggest weakness is not TOH. It is his sentimentality and love for Indian cinema and his homeland. He could go anywhere with his talents and liberal mind.
If he made a film on MB, the release would have been politically stalled with controversies of some sort or other. Digital platform is vastly different. No one can stop anyone to watch whatever we like in our cellphones, laptops, PC or TV.
Aside, Ramayana is a kiddo in front of MB. And you have at least 2 years from now to read it.
The possibility to see it doesn’t exclude controversy.
Ramayana is enough for me for now. It taught me a lot but I read MB only when Aamir makes MB. It’s gigantic and very difficult to keep track of if you haven’t sucked these stories in with your mother’s milk. I have tried it, believe me.
When I was a small kid, someone gave me a comic-book version of MB. You can imagine was a greatly abridged version it was, but i literally grew up with it. It was only much later i read an unabridged translation. That MB comic (in lines of Amar Chitra Katha series in terms of story-telling and graphics) later translated into an obsession with graphic novels, specially the time-frame when i was abroad.
Comic would be good for the beginning! Maybe a simple version first.
I mean it a little different. I already have problems with all the names. So many deities, famous names, festivals, rites. I did not grow up with it and have to read many things to be able to continue. I lack the whole environment, the basics. Everything is so big, the pictures are powerful and huge. Nothing here is just a little like MB. I was now in London in the biggest Hindu temples and knew there only half of the deities and names! Still much to do.
I learned English in 2 years (there was no subject in school here) and work on Hindi – just for the movies, subtitles, interviews. Sankskrit by far exceeds my possibilities, but it’s a brilliant idea! Maybe after Hindi. ((-:
The Amar Chitra Katha series on Mahabharat is quite excellent. It’s a 3 volume box set (around 40 comics) and when I read it, I couldn’t get enough of it.
Here’s an alternate version of the Mahabharat — as told from Bhim’s eyes with all the post-modern trappings:
#BadhaaiHo sprints again, catching speed over the weekend [on limited screens + shows]… Earlier, it was expected to fold up under ₹ 115 cr, but should now comfortably touch ₹ 125 cr [+/-]… [Week 4] Fri 1.45 cr, Sat 2.05 cr, Sun 2.45 cr. Total: ₹ 115.55 cr. India biz.
caught badhai ho recently. its one time watch movie.. dint find any thing spectacular about the movie.. it was witty with good performance by side characters… it actually surprised me that andhadhun n badhai ho working that big at Bo.. i guess many r silect fans of delhi wala launda ayushmaan..
LOL you nailed it.. This is the main problem I have with our reviewers. Over-praising or under-praising, both are not good. Folks want to play the ‘good, intelligent’ guy, by saying that smaller films need to be appreciated, blah blah. Nothing like that: I had issues with STREE, and BH. BH is good – but nothing that warrants a trip to the theater. Not every film is a JAANE BHI DO YAARO. I am really flummoxed at the hyper-praise these got and that these even made 100 crores. These are, as we used to have in olden days of Doordarshan, tele-films, that’s all.
I might have laughed for 3 minutes at the max in STREE, and people were writing as though it’s a laugh-riot. [I haven’t seen ANDHA DHUN as yet].
Yes agree with Badhai Ho. Its good light hearted film but strictly 1 time watch(esp 2nd half) and don’t know how it became blockbuster! Maybe families loved it very much!
We Are Venom. And the rest of us are worried. At least, that’s what some fans have felt concerning the success Venom has been receiving. If you haven’t been keeping up with the news, Venom is killing it in the box office. China is apparently eating this film up like candy, while Venom has also surpassed Justice League at the worldwide box office. Currently at the 670+ million range, it’s easily safe to say Spidey’s big bad is a hit.
Good news is Tencent Pictures will work with Warner Bros. on the local distribution of Aquaman. Tencent Pictures just did the great job on Sony's Venom, which debuted with $100M-plus. #Aquaman
Star Wars 9: The Truth Behind Lucasfilm’s “Course Correction”
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Star Wars: Episode IX is said to be a “course correction” movie for Lucasfilm, but it’s not in the way some fans might think. The galaxy far, far away experienced its fair share of ups and downs in the past year. The Last Jedi, while a critical and commercial success, proved to be extremely polarizing within the fan base. And this summer’s Solo: A Star Wars Story infamously became the franchise’s first box office failure, throwing Lucasfilm’s future plans into a state of flux. In the wake of Solo underperforming, anthologies about other classic characters (like Boba Fett) are on hold as the studio focuses on other projects.
Through all of this, Episode IX remains on course for its December 2019 premiere, beginning production back in August under the direction of J.J. Abrams. With the Force Awakens helmsman returning to finish what he started, many are curious to see how he’ll conclude the story – especially after The Last Jedi threw numerous curve balls at the audience. Reports indicating Episode IX is seen as a course correction for the property conjure up images of Return of the Jedi 2.0 – a safe, fan-service film designed to be a crowdpleaser. However, a close analysis of the situation reveals something else.
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When critics slam two of my favourite people @aamir_khan and @SrBachchan new Film #ThugsOfHindostan my daughter says the true picture… Two pages from her #HolidayDaily Chooo chweet she is, this is for you #Victor and #YRFFilms @yrf”
I mentioned previously about my 12yr old niece crying after the last scene before interval, when BigB goes on his suicide mission. It reminded me of all the stories I had heard of kids crying when Jai dies in Sholay. Further, she was thrilled when he re-appears all shackled, and she was even tapping away to the beats of Manzoor-e-Khuda after that.
IMO, the emotional connect, especially with young girls, was established in the first few minutes of the movie, with Khudabaksh saving a young Zafira from getting killed by Clive.
All throughout the show, the biggest laughter could be heard from kids, who found all the Aamir tomfoolery funnier than the reaction to the same from most adult folks.
Looks like those who appreciated the movie, be it kids, or select BigB fans, are too few to make any noticeable difference to the BO of this fast sinking ship.
China’s like a newborn baby. You don’t feed it spicy chicken curry! It needs what it needs which till date is selective bias of Indian cinema! Throwing it the most humiliating moment of Aamir’s career is like giving the baby a scissors to play with. It might be fun to watch for a moment as the baby might cut its hair or some papers but it might poke itself in the eye and cause permanent damage!
This is not some kind of casino where China is a side bet or hedge bet for Aamir. D3 didn’t work, nor Bahubali. Aamir’s stardom isn’t taking this to safety in India. Most evidence points to more bad news. Secret Superstar worked because it followed the Dangal arc.
#boycotttohreleaseinchina
Aside hypothetically I would love to see it release in China just to identify what kind of stardom Aamir has there. But that’s just an academic exercise like when I give my toddler scissors or knives under strict supervision to see what things he would do to make me laugh! 😀
Why are you assuming chinese audience will share the same perspective of indian audience? What seems like a botched up masala effort or a POTC copy to the general indian audience is actually an indian version of Disney film to non-indians. Its not unfamiliar territory to them.
E-stars did not pay 20m $ without watching the film.
Even B-grade hollywood action flicks mint a lot of money in china than they do domestically. Skyscraper made 100m and Rampage did 155m this year in china.
Bahubali has been a big failure in China. They are so well fed on great visuals that the Indian version of POTC won’t interest them at all unless it has a great story they can identify with. Any surprise why Hindi Medium, Hitchki, SS did so well there?
Baahubali is a traditional costume drama and understanding its nuances will be difficult. While TOH is contemporary and like hollywood. As Marcus said hollywood underwhelming films do well in China routinely. And they love aamir more than us.
TOH is vastly different from BB2. Want real proof? FilmyGeek genuinely meant it when he said he found TOH flat. He wont say the same about BB2. Go figure what that actually means!
You are too pessimistic about this!
No risks, no gains.
TOH is not such a bad film as made out to be. Good story and good actors.
Just wait and watch. Indian audience are fickle. And there is this troll factor and critics’ anger. And whatsapp poison.
I’ll be the first to congratulate if it does well. Being proven wrong is fine with me. I don’t value my opinion that highly, if Marcus and Sanjana are fine then fine!
Marcus you having seen this what do you think China can achieve?
At the most what will happen? Nothing that will take away our lives and property. It is just a film. If people have so much fears, man would never tried to fly a plane.
Who is afraid of failure?
Not afraid. Fine line between bravery and stupidity. Let’s say I believe more in %’s than in chance. Overall whatever it makes in China won’t cover the blood spillage from India and ROW. With Dangal whatever it made just made the story more extraordinary.
Here the added value comes with much greater risk. And I’m thinking more about the entire Indian films here than just 1 Aamir film. You can still gauge what Chinese think about it today. I’m sure their equivalents of IMDb would have ratings as the film would have been pirated already.
If Indian films depend on aamir so much it is their fault. Why cant they go there and promote like Rani did?
Why should aamir sacrifice for those who always want him go down and down?
Jayshah I m attaching the Douban’s link.No rating as yet but it doesnt looks too bad.Out of 16 comments only 2 right now are negetive rest of comments r good to extraordinary.
What a philosphical comment by Sanjana.Absolutely spot on.It has got nothing to lose.Even TC had Mummy released there.His stardom didnt diminished after Mummy.
If they sensibly edit out a few things, it just might work in China. The visuals are good, battle-scenes are good, its the lack of a thread tying everything that mostly hurt the desi-sensibilities.
They can smartly edit it to greatly accentuate the colonial-hatred, the revenge-by-Zafira (ie the Dangal girl) angle, remove the excessive Firangi philandering, especially remove the un-necessary flirting with his Dangal screen-daughter, edit out Vashmalle, perhaps even shorten Suraiya, etc.
No, they may actually release a 2 hr edited version of this. May do the trick, who knows?
The cinematography and the swashbuckling bits are quite good … Aamir is lovable and laughable by hollywood standards at least if not by desi masala standards!
I request munna and satyam to make a separate thread for Master, Indian John, Bob Cristo, Bharath and other troll army who come here to troll only. Let them vent all their frustrations there.
They will make this thread 400 and again you have to close this permanently.
LOL Sanjana you made my day here. But we have to take this bitter pill. It’s not nice to be a sore loser. Take the loss with pride.
You just said who is afraid of failure! Facing failure or adversity is the biggest and best challenge for any human being. Tough love is good. If it’s done with good intentions.
Nothing to crib about, every dog has its day! Master and co are cheering as they’ve waited for years for this Diwali gift. Let it be.
Every thread cannot become troll thread. There is a limit.
We have in Indian forums, frustration threads where one can frustrate as much as one wants.
Do we want endless sumit khadels and rohit jaiswals here?
We are also criticising. Not praising endlessly.
Even I know a bunch of newbies arrived for specific special once in a generation event. It’s their party! We are providing the ladoos (a joke from TOH). We are serving them now. They deserve it. They’ve watched Tubelight, Ra.1, HNY, Race 3 etc on their journeys.
I don’t think we should stand up. We should rub their feet and get them merry. Join in and be humble in defeat.
don’t think the chinese will be impressed by Indians’ cinematography and visuals! they can watch all that through stuff like Venom and Avengers, which they are so well fed-on!
Indian cinema works there only well it is backed by a good grounded story that can identify with. the academic culture, lower-middle class responsibilities and challenges etc are subjects they love watching. it’s the small relatable Indian films that have done well there. hindi medium, SS, Hichki etc.
I felt cinematography is top-notch here! They have created a true fairy-land with forts and jungles and all that is supposedly exotic to foreign eyes about India. The Rajasthan bits just seals it.
I criticised the vfx shown in trailer, but didnt mind it during theater watching (cant say that about BB2). Yfx team surely did some work here after the trailer backlash.
We dont make much stuff like ‘flat’ masala, nor release it in China (specially with Aamir in a meaty role). So how do you know that the chinese wud mind a hollywoodized-bollywood film with indian setting?
BB2 was masala in its usual steroid mode. I always said it wont work in China (when it collected 1100 cr nett in India).
Aamir fans are bleeding to death and we are going on an adventure trip to China! With one arm and one leg and no transport. Barefoot with no food & water! We are going for our burial in foreign lands!
Jokes aside I wish it all the best in China if it goes. It only changes the narrative if it does more than Dangal for me. $50-100mm is not going to change anything, that’s just greed or covering our bleeding with some plasters or tissue paper!
The pendulum swings if it can do super blockbuster business in China. It’s done pittance in every market so far. Is China some land so vastly different to any other country ever?
I’ll wait to hear aamirsaurabh’s thoughts, our resident Chinese expert before losing more hair here!
No, i dont think it can get anywhere near Dangal. 100m or SS like 118m would be a great result and the best case scenario IMO. We will know in january …
Dangal seems next to impossible but it can surely make around 50-60M$ unless negetivity is on par with India’s.100M$ I believe looks far fetched but it is possible with a good release period and an OK response.
China in some cases behave different than ROW.Few movies which have bombed everywhere else have worked in China eg-Warcraft,XXX,Pacific Rim and there r movies which have worked everywhere else but not in China like Black Panther.
If Zero will ends up highest grosser of the year we are doomed for life!
If you thought an Aamir Bachchan failure would be good for national baby blooming in India, a SRK success will be babies galore next year. India will be full of newborn shahrukh’s and gauri’s.
If Munna has any FI data it will be better. Occupancy rates can be higher on Saturday and Sunday purely as a consequence of reduced shows. Raw collections would be best bet to resolve this. There were many reports of cancelled shows. Badhaai Ho collections have gone up a lot too.
I really haven’t followed each detail of what you and Marcus are attempting to show or the counter from Master/Krish.
It’s a damn shame Taran doesn’t give out centre collections because at least you can do some basic comparisons.
There is data out there actually if you look.for.it…I think I did tell the estimate for each day based on limited data before boi did..I got day 1 wrong but got other days reasonably correct..i dont mean to boast but what I am saying is if a novice like me can do it Jay you can rock the party…
You should follow bollytrick…the guy now has a solid database of footfalls over last 2 years and also gives total estimates for the day..the representation from west is missing but overall a budding jayshah in the making
He said once he has access to the theatre data.i think he has access to 6 noida multiplexes and some multiplexes from other regions…representation from Mumbai was restricted..i didnt probe further..
So I had a quick look. Just at Race 3 numbers and I can easily find a few inconsistencies.
Till 7 PM (1st day) the footfalls are 8577 but the overall footfalls for the day are shown to be 13741.
Between 7 PM and the end of the day, 5164 tickets were sold — in 6 multiplexes. That’s close to a 100% occupancy for a wildly derided film. Does that even make sense? On the 2nd day, between 7PM and EOD it’s 5800 tickets sold!
The second day occupancy for Race 3 in Noida is higher than ToH’s first day!
Did all the muslims congregate in Noida to celebrate Eid by watching Bhai’s magnum opus?
And then it gets funnier. On Sunday the footfalls for Noida are lower by 8% but the All India total is higher by 1 Crore.
I call this complete BS. It’s just a bunch of fans supporting their own agenda.
Noida is one centre. Taran Adarsh had at least 20 every week. This type of stuff is even worse than 10 years ago. AI, data tools have taken over manufacturing industries and Indians are at the epicenter of data yet they can’t get basic theatrical business done.
Krish – thanks for the shout out. It has reminded me of yesteryear. But I think there is something deeply corrupted at the centre of this industry. While the world moves on, this industry goes back a few decades. It can only mean the people that matter want it this way. You’ve got scores of what I call pocket mining going on. Offshoot data centres when before you had Taran Adarsh giving out all data. People have created an industry out of this with little aim for accuracy or transparency, just to feed agendas. I was very sad when Taran Adarsh gave up giving out numbers. I enjoyed doing box office columns out of a box from a foreign country! That last sentence says a lot – that anyone can set this up and it’s very easy to rip apart as Saket has just done. Even my stuff was easy to blow potholes into but my aim was for transparency, accuracy was accounted via a range. Nothing more. Plus I have an opposing outlook on how a film is judged. For example if TOH found a way to 200Cr it would be breakeven potentially but I’d call it a flop. I’ve gone through trending many times so not again.
I can’t find any of my columns online anymore, what a shame.
Occupancy and selective multiplex screens is just very basic data. That you are accurate on this is good going. Defining accurate is the key though.
Saket the race3 producer Total of day 3 was indeed inflated..I think this was called out by many when it released..the second way of race 3 was a big national holiday..that can explain why it was more busy in the night..race 3 was running 194 shows due to shorter length whereas toh was running 177 shows due to longer length..one of reason toh day 1 was under scanner was precisely due to the fact that multiplex footfall was similar to many other movies like sanju etc but still total was way higher..race 3 I know is a supremely poor movie but it did run riot on day 2 for whatever reason..well raone did same on day 2 because it was diwali so it’s not an unheard phenomenon of a derided movie to run riot on day 2 just because it’s a big holiday..
Its unfortunate taran stopped his centre wise data surely..we all lose out on your analysis too..I think the only site which used to give centre wise data till recently was boxofficeindia.co.in..not BOI but the other one
There is always film information if it still exists.
And whatever I was doing was very simple and easy.
Today one should be capable of doing a lot more with that data. Even the most simplest of tools like Excel has moved on leaps and bounds. All these qlikview, teradata and god knows what else is out there. I was doing 7 year old maths and spitting out columns. Now you could probably write some code to do the numbers and writing! What took me 2-3 hours is a 10 mins job today.
I meant to say due to day 2 being holiday day 1 night shows were more busy than the rest of the day..these are also high end multiplexes which will not be front loaded during the day
Saket ome correction that number of show in day I.mentioned was for tzh not race 3 but toh had lesser shows due to longer running time than many other movies
Jay – BO in india is screwed up bigtime. Data is closely guarded to make any detailed analysis impossible. Everyone uses the lack of transparency for their own gains. For toh, i think yrf may have over-reported day one by around 2-3 cr to touch 50 cr mark for media publicity. At the same time the daywise fall is also being over-reported to somehow account for the negativity, part of which may be a paid propaganda campaign from rival camps. The extent of nonsense is quite alarming. Specially when u compare all this with china’s bo tracking mechanisms.
This implies both Taran and BOI stopped using YRF figures from day 2 onwards and are corroborating with others? That sounds very farfetched to me.
For me;
Day 1 – YRF, BOI and Taran all had same numbers. BOI used producers (for whatever copout reason, Taran always does)
Day 1 overnight and day 2. Trade uproar that numbers are fake. YRF asked to correct
Day 2 onwards – occupancy data won’t corroborate with official collections as official collections are being deflated to compensate and correct Day 1 inflated numbers. So these bollytricky, addatoday are useless as there occupancy %’s will predict a higher number but YRF are handcuffed to correct there inflated Day 1.
I’ve written before how during Kaabil/Raees clash that both cheated.
But also Hrithik Roshan films are being reduced *more* by BOI. Addatoday, Bollywoodarena & indicine at the time all had there own set of trade data that suggested this. They suggested that Filmkraft overreported but their own collections were still tracking above BOI which suggested that their own numbers were ‘middleground’ the average of the deflated BOI one and inflated Filmkraft one.
Further I’ve always said Hrithik, Akshay’s, Devgnn’s films are underreported by BOI compared to producer totals. The ‘margin’ that Master & Krish claim exists say 5% is much more wider for these actors than Salman, Aamir & SRK.
Anyone just look at producer (Taran’s tweets) Vs BOI for quick and dirty comparison. I’m talking say last 5 years or more. Maybe recently it’s been better. That I’m not vocal all the time is because I will bore the living daylights out of the blog with all my observations. And the Kaabil one was very official by those sites – they ran with their own numbers on that basis. As it was ‘moral’. For me moral is stick to your own numbers always or just go with producer. This cherry picking BOI did this time and smaller satellite sites do – I ask why? Are they paid to use producer numbers? Or do they not even trust their own data? It’s a freaking mess.
Dont yrf has provided official figures after day 2. Boi and taran are all in auto-correction mode since then. So there is a gap with occupancy data (whats out there).
All the figures used are given by yrf..taran has no other source in any case..the same number you will find in every source..whether inflated or not the numbers are from.yrf..they havent stopped sending the numbers.. the numbers are sent by SMS around noon to every trade outlet and analyst…that’s why the number quoted by everyone right from.girish to taran to addatoday and indicine earlier used to match to.last decimal..this is pretty standard trade practice..and yrf send numbers for.every movie of theirs whether it does.well.or.not….the numbers will stop coming once they trickle Down..
My last comment on numbers..Jay this is in response to your day1 day 2 post..why do you think yrf deflated their numbers on day 2 to autocorrect..there is nothing to support this argument..addatoday day 2 number estimate was 28 to 29..bollytrick was 26..every trade analyst and the distributors data was varying from 22 to 27.. yrf went with 28..similar thing happened on day 3…when we can go with bollytrick or addatoday footfall or occupancy data to float a theory of deflation one must also see the final estimate they arrive at..all 4 days final estimate of sources have been consistently lesser than yrf actual.. so I dont buy this deflation at all..yrf are sending numbers even for telugu and Tamil versions daily…again I dont think yrf has inflated day 2 day 3 day 4 purely bcos I arrived at those numbers myself even before boi gave their estimates..it wasn’t too hard to get that..yes the margin of error will be there..day 1 number could be inflated but that doesnt mean they have deflated later
The simple argument is how did BOI get from 32-34 Cr to 28 Cr in the space of hours? If you can do this simple analysis, ask yourself why you need BOI?
Besides it’s a theory and I haven’t checked the occupancies. I was only saying to Saket and Marcus that if occupancies are more stable than producer numbers are suggesting it could be because of corrections. You are countering this by saying occupancies actually validate the producer numbers from day 2.
You are saying the opposite to Saket/Marcus. I’m blindly just theorising what ‘could’ be happening to Saket/Marcus.
Yeah fair enough..all I was saying if you take footfall or occupancy from a site and these are mostly just samples from few theatre better to use their totals itself…
on boi I dont know how they arrived at 34 when at same time everyone had it much lesser…every single trade analyst was saying 22 to 28 range..i thought they will correct it and they did it..it was gross overestimation..or an attempt at inflation..whatever it is glad they corrected it…anyways as you said no more flogging a dead horse..let’s wait for 2.0..
Nothing succeeds like success. And nothing fails like failure. TOH is a monumental disaster at the domestic BO & even a 160 cr lifetime number is doubtful now. Have said this before, AK has enough acumen & resources to make films on his own as per his vision or work with better film makers than the likes of Viktor & Aditya Chopra.
Sarkar reaches 200Cr+ Gross(incl dub) in kollywood
200 Cr + South Indian Films till now
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“I request munna and satyam to make a separate thread for Master, Indian John, Bob Cristo, Bharath and other troll army who come here to troll only.”
So Bhakts of Aamir want separate thread for us. From where you get this hypocrisy ? You,the chamcha ‘s of Aamir’s are doing it day in and day out since a decade.Trolling every single actor and worshiping Aamir.Now after a long time you are getting a taste of ur own medicine so much pain in the a$$. This is the beauty of karma. What goes around comes around. You,Aamirians, think it is ur birth right to make fun of other and your god should left untouched. Ha.ha.ha. it doesn’t go like this. Karma haunts you. Cry baby cry. Is it our fault that your god did a crap film. Don’t get angry with us. It is a public forum. If you want to worship Aamir make a private blog, clan or sect, and do his aarti there 24×7. If you can’t face the heat just stay out of the kitchen.
Bobby, but this is indeed a private blog!
Hum sab mahmaan hain yahaan.
Satyam ki izzat-afzayi ka lutf le rahe hain.
Savdhaan, kaheen Shivam ki teesri aankh ka prakop na lage, saara Sundaram nasht ho jayega.
Toh is a colossal flop. Fine! However, celebrating its failure will not make sallu or srk’s films any better than what they are. Its that simple. You bakwaas stars are not getting any better by your gleeful celebrations. Aamir will remain a league apart.
Marcus it’s karma just like how you like to troll srk and his fans for failures in some of your posts just be ready for you to be trolled the same way now, what goes around comes around, nothing personal
I guess going forward there should be a separate thread for aamir fans too where they can go and trash all other stars and their movies like they normally do (go to any thread for reference), just to be fair to aamir fans. Why should only non-amir fans have this special separate thread?
Myselfaamir has said it best, some of this is aamir fans own doing. you can’t keep throwing sh!t all over at everyone else and not expect it to comeback to you at some point.
As far as trolling is concerned, once again, i challange everyone here to go to any thread and see who does most of the trolling/spamming. Stop pretending like aamir fans are holy, honest, noble, etc… they’re in fact usually just the opposite. (at least most of them, well a lot on this site are not even aamir fans. they’re just hiding behind aamir and using aamir success to degrade other stars)
I usually come here and generally make comments about old movies and masala movies topic so if there was a thread just for that, I wouldn’t mind it and i would just live there.
Nor do we live in glass houses like these trolls. Its their silly imagination that they can break anything with their stones. But its not the other way round …
When i have the ability to build my house i can build another if one catches fire. Street-dwellers can cheer the fire but cant build a house of their own. Its not about lack of money, just lack of ability. Get it, mr grand old man of ss?
“When i have the ability to build my house i can build another if one catches fire.”
Sure, but for now you’re in mamas basement 🙂
I see the teenage trolling comments are kicking i so i’m glad i’m getting to your nerve which is very easy to do. others have complained about your abusive comments as well but i guess you can’t accept much from someone living in mamas basement. 🙂
So the very few big budget Bollywood hits this year – Sanju, Baaghi 2 and Padmaavat – have been lead by the new generation of actors while the real super hits have been small films like Raazi, Badhai Ho, Andhadhun and Stree. Similarly, the new audience in China also seems to prefer strong human interest stories like Dangal, Hitchki and Secret Superstar. Interesting times ahead for Bollywood and I’m glad to see the tide tilting in the favour of well made cinema instead of big name-backed rubbish.
I hope the tacky, gimmicky looking Zero also tanks so that the A-listers are finally forced to concentrate on scripts and good direction and not just rely on casting the increasingly haggard Khans as romantic heroes opposite glamorous, gorgeous actresses.
The advent of streaming services is a big game changer for the Indian multiplex audience that Bollywood increasingly relies on. Earlier, I would go to the cinema to see Indian films more frequently since quality content was so hard to find in India and the theatres rarely screen good films from other countries (even with Hollywood, only the blandest blockbusters come to our multiplexes). But now, we have turned one room at home into a small screening room of sorts and prefer to watch films, documentaries and TV shows from around the world on Netflix and Amazon Prime without heading to the theatre for sub-par big budget Bollywood films.
Having said, there will always a thirst for films that showcase relatable experiences and aspirational dreams that are culturally unique to us. That’s why South Indian films seem to be far more profitable these days. Many of the recent hits like Sarkar and NOTA, for instance, tap into the deep-seated angst of the Tamil Nadu population about the political paralysis and hopelessness that has set in after Jayalalithaa’s death.
I feel that even if Bollywood has moved away from mass-oriented content it can still greatly increase its appeal by making cinema that caters to the rapidly growing millennial and middle class audiences.
For instance, Veere Di Wedding could have been a much bigger breakout hit amongst women (akin to Bridesmaids in the USA) if it had been about a group of more relatable upper-middle class girlfriends and if it had satirised patriarchal Indian middle class morality/ hypocrisy instead of being a film about four obscenely rich women who live obnoxiously spoilt lives and move in a very rarefied social circle that is free of the taboos that stifle most young Indian women. So many of my female friends really want to see films with contemporary, millennial Indian heroines who are more relatable, flawed and real than the Suriayyas or Simrans of Bollywood but Veere simply didn’t provide that.
A video of a tigress chasing a tourist vehicle in the buffer zone of Tadoba-Andhari Tiger Reserve( TATR) has gone viral on social media. pic.twitter.com/GZ2DYARy73
To NyKavi mahoday and all now ToH is done and dusted this is my last comment on ToH
जो आज साहिब-ए-मसनद हैं वो कल नहीं होंगे
किराएदार हैं जाती मकान थोड़ी है
तुमसे पहले जो यहां तख्तानाशी था
उसे भी अपने ख़ुदा होने का इतना ही यकीं था।
Courtesy – Rahat indori
So pls all of you Aamir fans remember it don’t make fun of every actor. Don’t look down everyone. I am repeating it again atleast admit it. It is Akshay kumar who made and is making most sensible and diverse film. Just look Aamir’s fan reaction on Akshay. Give respect to others also. Sayonara as of now. Will meet on 2.0 thread.
I’m a naysayer on this. I think this is the way things work nowadays. News travels in an instant. The Twitter feed for TOH was negative from the first show. I don’t rule out ‘some’ insincere views. But the critics of India even if they rated this with 4 stars – I doubt it would help too much. If anything it might piss off the audience more. 2/5 is about fair IMHO. The Twitter stuff or WhatsApp stuff is more likely to change opinions. AnJo’s explained that so well. It’s easy to abuse a film behind a phone or laptop. But your credibility is on the line in person.
I haven’t recommended this film to anyone. My only request was to Satyam to watch it AFTER AnJo, Rocky and NyKavi reviews. Because if this film has deeper meaning for a generation of Bachchan fans I don’t want to be the one that said it’s not worth it.
Just yesterday my sister said reviews from India are that TOH is rubbish. She said what do they know it’s an Aamir film. This is Aamir’s status IMO, expectations are very high. She’ll not like the film I’m sure.
Him writing that Twitter letter before release is a good sign. Felt like he knew this would flop so that is good that he can still determine this. And it felt like he was thanking VKA and Aditya for last time knowing deep down he’s not going down this road again with them – a definite IMO.
It is a sick joke as far as animals are concerned. Already there is so much violence against animals. In Hyderabad some morons burnt alive four puppies in front of their mother. Sometime back an educated person threw a dog from a high rise.
And another moron stuck a sutli bomb in the mouth of a 3 year old girl and it exploded.
cant help but laugh at some of the SRK fans here who are on a loop saying this is karma, as if to underline this point again and again
Like seriously? Ohh dear..
Let’s see how much Zero grosses! I might have a hunch it might end below TOH’s final total.
Just see z’s response. To him temporary shelter in mama’s basement is more embarrassing than living permanently in gutters! The mentality speaks for itself …
lol, let me know when you’re out of mamas basement and become something in life.
God has given me a lot in life, perhaps more than I need. So whatever you say makes no difference.
I guess you’re such a rude miserable child that you can’t even understand what you write. People who are living in gutter is not because they want to, life didn’t give them the oppurtunity hence they’re there. Don’t ever talk down to or bad about those people. God works in mysterious ways.
If Zero ends up a lower grosser than TOH then the SRK – Aamir contest will be like this adult-toddler contest. The adult bowls an underarm to the toddler to let him hit the winning shot for once but the toddler still misses it completely.
ROFL, I know many who did. I did try to copy SRK hairstyle many a time unsuccessfully, but the closest I ever got to emulating a star was keeping the DCH goatee!
Always thought the best SRK fan by a distant mile is Henry. A model gentleman. There was a chap on NG who I liked to hate (like love hate relationship), Sameer.
I would love to watch Suhaag, Don, Naseeb, Muqdaar Ka Sikandar and many others in theatre with Satyam.
I wish they would bring old movies to screen on USA. Maybe just couple shows for the weekend. I think many people would have a blast watching these movies.
Yes watching on the big-screen the old ones would be fun for sure. But I don’t think they would even have proper prints for these films: So not sure how it would work. [Except maybe some Indian groups could hire a hall and project it from DVDs.? ] Plus who would come to watch old Hindi movies in theaters?
When it comes to Hollywood movies, I know here in DC — maybe everywhere I think– CINEMARK EGYPTIAN has a few shows reserved for classics. I have watched a couple of Hitchcock’s and James Stewart’s movies in this series. Needless to say, the shows had only 5-6 folks.
Here it is; a classic example of how it’s different strokes for different folks – and also to think about what this could mean with a release in China…
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If Thugs is diverting, it’s largely because writer-director Vijay Krishna Acharya is far more interested in the pirate life than those Disney knockabouts. We get tactical sea battles, plenty of cove action, swordfights choreographed like dance numbers, even a fiery 19th-century South Asian equivalent of a Norse burial. This is a film with money to burn, and it unabashedly torches each rupee before your eyes. Granted, it gets less irreverent as it goes on, and in terms of historical accuracy, it can be placed alongside those bank holiday staples Titanic and Muppet Treasure Island. Yet it has that rare and unmistakable look of an event movie that was huge fun to assemble. Whether you’re watching in Hindi, Tamil or Telugu – or reliant on English subtitles – much of that enjoyment does translate.
Evidencing a formidable vitality that belies his age, 76-year-old Amitabh Bachchan (with, no doubt, some assistance from stunt doubles) cuts a bold yet dignified swath through the proceedings, providing just enough gravitas and moral authority to help anchor “Thugs of Hindostan” in something resembling seriousness whenever it threatens to spin entirely out of control.
Acharya pushes it up to 11 throughout extended clashes on land and sea, in burning buildings and royal palaces. (Yes, it’s worth the ticket mark-up to see all the action on an IMAX screen.) Rest assured, he sporadically falls back on the visual cliché of slo-mo photography as embellishment for mano-a-mano clashes and army-versus-army smackdowns. But “Thugs of Hindostan” seldom slows down for very long. Although it clocks in 164 minutes, it feels much brisker than that. Much brisker, really, than some of the movies that inspired Acharya before he set sail with this one.
Thugs Of Hindostan has taken a huge hit on Monday with collections of 5-5.25 crore nett.
The writing was on the wall with what happened on Saturday and Sunday with a clash being inevitable and that is what has happened.
This takes the business of the film to around 122.50 crore nett in five days and the first week will be looking at a total of 135 crore nett. The downfall is all over as even UP and Gujarat fall heavily on Monday despite the latter being on the last day of its Diwali holiday.
The film will continue to suffer over the next few days and also in the second week when business could be next to nothing and it could stay below the 150 crore nett mark which actually should have been covered in the extended weekend even if the film was just decent. Its a huge setback to the industry as its the big ones that have to score big to have a big year.
Finally.. I’m done for now. To be honest, I knew that TOH was gonna flop right after Thu morning show (which is Wed night in US) but I didn’t care to post. Then there was 1st day and all negativity on social media. I saw the reviews and memes and everything still ignored. Then Thursday night I saw some reviews on SS and then reading them. Then got up Friday morning and all the discussion about collection manipulation and how some Aamir fans making fun of others saying they don’t understand boxoffice or anything about WOM and so on. Then I started posting on the forum on my Friday late morning/noon.
So, its basically 2 days completed in India and all the WOM was out and it was gone case but how some people were behaving on here, it was stupid and silly. So, when I started posting that’s being referred as trolling and what others were doing before that is not? Lol. If I had to troll and burn Aamir fans for the film’s flopping I would have started posting the negative reviews and memes from Wed night itself. Isn’t it? Even later what I posted are about the collection but not directly reviews (except Rangan’s).
Also, I don’t think people realize that all the comments would have not crossed so much if everyone accepted that its misfire. But they kept debating so much and others responding the comments grew. If there was no resistance, it would have done in a day and I don’t think I would have even posted on here. So, once all the claims are proven wrong as there was no stable collections and it turned out to be huge disaster, then next target is to blame Srk/Salman fans. I think without blaming anyone you can’t accept the defeat.
Either ways, this topic is done. See you guys soon; maybe during 2.0 or Zero or maybe not! 🙂
So the Master and his army quits … Kurukshetra ran for 18 days. These guyz cant even sustain 4 days. Anyways, here is their ‘skore’-card (its actually flooding india as a result of it!).
I have assumed the same ticket price as I didn’t have price info, and this assumption isn’t a bad one — at least for the Metros, where things are relatively the same.
Unless you know the exact # of shows and the exact # of tickets sold and the price for each one of those tickets, you’ll never get a good total.
Badhai Ho can be 100% occupancy but if the # of shows is just 500 and TOH can be 50% but if the number of shows is 5,000; TOH will have more collection eventhou it’s at 50%.
Badhai Ho and TOH can both have 500 shows and both be at 100%, but based on the ticket price, one can be higher than the other.
And so on, there are so many variables.
Unless your Excel has # of tickets sold and a price sold at, you can’t come to any type of conclusion.
Question for you Z. I don’t think anyone has this. So how does BOI or anyone for that matter arrive at a figure?
So yes with all the information you said you need it’s very easy. But it’s clearly not available.
This is really the next best option.
That Sunday is sliding in each major city and prices are static, late night Sunday shows relative to Saturday will be less – most of this suggests Sunday can’t be higher than Saturday.
I have the exact number of shows and the % occupancy, which amounts to # of tickets sold. This data is quite comprehensive.
I have also used data only from the big Metros where the price differential is going to be minimal, if any. This is not a bad assumption to make.
I don’t mind adding another column for the ticket price as well, provided I know what the average ticket rates in all the major metros are. If someone can provide me with that data, I’ll be more than happy.
And based on the data for ToH, it’s first day comes out at around 48.84 Crores. This includes a 10% price inflation and a 28 crore 1st day total for Race 3.
In other words, if Race 3’s 1st day total is 28 crores then ToH can’t be less than 48 crores!
Day 3 seems very dubious. Collections go up despite lower footfalls.
Is there a way to throw in some smaller centres with minimal effort? Or some strong Salman centric centres (is it Rajasthan where he’s quite strong?).
He’s probably one star where you need to present beyond the multiplexes to represent this no?
No doubting the data at all, I’m sure it’s correct.
Hyderabad is the strongest. Nothing else comes close and that didn’t move that much, if at all.
For same # of shows, percentage occupancy in Hyderabad dropped from 84 to 74.4 in night shows (7 PM to 11 PM;From Sat to Sun).
It was up slightly from 75 to 77.5 in afternoon shows and went down from 79 to 78 in morning shows.
And this is his strongest centre. All the others went down much more from Saturday to Sunday. Delhi went from 56 to 43; Bombay from 58.5 to 42 during night shows.
There’s no way the collections went up from Saturday to Sunday.
Yes. For Sunday to be above Saturday what increase in price is needed?
You have a 2% approximate decrease in FF from sat to sun and 3% increase in collections – this can only come from a price increase right. Which is simply unlikely.
So basically in the context of your model, Race 3 Sunday is only legitimate if it’s ticket prices go to near TOH level over a one day swing. Yay that’s never going to happen.
The gap can only be mass centres where Salman is big. With declining WOM, declining FF’s in multiplexes, little to no chance of increase in ticket prices over one day – the only factor that changes the result is the mass centres.
Jay – We possibly can have someone subscribe Film information with one of our Indian commentators; they can scan the weekly collection page and send it to you?
ps – But it may be stale in sense that now figures comes daily; it will only validate weekly totals.
Besides TOH has also been playing in IMAX & 2D4DX format with exorbitant prices in the metros ranging from INR 600 to 2000, which could also be a factor in the overall collections.
I vaguely remember having this.discussoon as trade analyst were all accusing race 3 of inflation and I remember there was some discussion similar to what we did for toh now
I also think boi numbers of race 3 for first weekend were 6 cr less than producer so boi were.not going with producer number and they had accounted for the fall on Sunday probably..I think their number was 100 and producers were at 106
Another point I always say is never break too much sweat if manipulation is less than an agreeable percentage..I am sure race 3 could have dropped on day 3 by 10 percent but 10 percent of the total on day 3 is like 3 cr..so its not a major number in any case..in final analysis race 3 no of boi were 10 to 15 cr less than producers..the only thing I debated on race 3 here was that the fibal total is around 155 to 160 and not 130 cr as against the producer no of 170 plus..saket your analysis is spot on with whatever data you have
Rare Failure for Aamir Khan after MP since 2005. I guess he missed on the script and put too much trust onto VKA. This wasnt Dhoom Franchise to save itself. I havent seen the movie so will know more once i watch this weekend.
I know TOH debacle is a pain in the $$$ for Aamir and his fans. But you don’t blame it on whoever comments here as trolls. That shows your state of mind which is pathetic. You have to blame Aamir for doing a crap of a movie and dumping it on audience. I commented when Salman and Sharukh were in gutter when they did crappy movies. Aamir fans must accept the reality and move on. I can only pity your state of mind and wish for your speedy recovery.
As for as commenting goes, I have the privilege to comment on movies of importance and that makes a difference. I don’t have much time as others to comment everyday on every subject.
Watched a 9pm show of Thugs in Chicago on Saturday. It was at one of the bigger screens in the AMC theater, but there were hardly 25 people in the theater, which was shocking! They showed the Zero trailer before the movie, and it received a very positive response – cheers and whistles from the small audience, and the right reactions at the right scenes
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Went with a group of 5, and we all had seen the terrible reviews it had gotten, so maybe our expectations were lower. But after watching it, we all agreed that it didn’t deserve such a beating. I can totally understand bad reviews, but these reviews seem cruel.
The story was decent – pretty basic stuff. The twists were good but then became pretty predictable. The British villains did a good job, however there was some unintentional comedy because they spoke to each other in Hindi! It made no sense. It wasn’t consistent either. Big B was as always such a screen presences, and Aamir did a fun job. Really enjoyed the scenes between the two of them, however it would have been more enjoyable if Aamir had done this in the early 2000’s like SRK did (from an age perspective). He was extremely entertaining. But he was like a 75% anti-hero, who wasn’t redeemed until into the second half. Perhaps this is a reason people didn’t like the movie. Also, he had a couple of borderline creepy scenes with Fatima, where he’s trying to flirt with her. Not needed!
Also, the film had NOTHING to do with thugs at all. There are some thugs shown in the first 15 minutes and I thought that was a very interesting build up, but then that ended fast. Also, the Patriotism scenes didn’t come early enough – not until the second half, so when it does, it doesn’t have the same impact. None of the characters are fully developed besides Aamir’s. There were some Baahubali influences for sure, such as the forest scenes and really Bachchan’s character. He was essentially a Kattapa like figure. The problem here is though that it isn’t shown/explained why Big B is so attached to Fatima’s character. Imagine a whole movie on Kattapa protecting Baahubali’s son, without ever showing the relationship between Kattapa and Father Baahubali.
The female characters are CRIMINALLY underdeveloped. It was almost insulting at how little screen time Katrina had. I actually counted – she had 18 minutes, 40 seconds of screen time. 1 scene leading up to a song in the first half, and in the second – another scene leading up to a song plus a final scene. Fatima and Big B don’t really get any dialogues until the after the first hour. Fatima also did poorly in her dialogue scenes.
Songs were 2/3. Surraiya was good but Aamir was sort of a disaster in it. Vashmalle was amazing. The third song was not memorable. People in the audience were laughing at Katrina wearing shorts. Action was surprisingly really good! Lots of hand to hand /weapon fight scenes, and they were well executed. VFX was also very nice on the big screen. There were only 2-3 scenes where the VFX looked poor. The ships really looked amazing, I was a fan. But honestly, there was too much action. They could have cut an action set piece and had some emotional scenes instead.
VAK has improved since Dhoom 3 for sure. This was way better. It could have been 30 min shorter, or they could have spent those 30 minutes developing the characters more. You really don’t feel anything for the characters…none of them.
The movie ends with a hint at a sequel. Obviously there won’t be one, but the one line summary they give of the potential sequel is better than the entire scene. Now THAT should have been the plot of this movie! SPOILER- Aamir and co are on their way to Britain to loot the British! I would love to see that.
Pretty much spot on review. The one flaw I forgot to mention you have. The British speaking Hindi to each other when no Indians are around! It doesn’t make any sense!
SPOILER!
Amitabh is attached to Fatima’s character because the girl was given his protection after birth. Since she lost her family, he raised her, he became a kind of father substitute.
I think the criticism here is easy. This is obvious in a very obvious way but there is hardly much background here in terms of build up. I will use a film I hate to describe this. In K3G, SRK and Jaya share a warm embrace song at the beginning. There on there are many simple scenes like Shava Shava, SRK leaving home, scenes where SRK has his mother’s picture. Everything is build around this trope so that the moment they meet in the mall the scene either hits you (or like a small select few like me it makes you cringe) but the point is the storyline arc is developed so much that the moment will provide the audience with a reunion moment of emotional investment.
TOH kind of does this very flimsy like where Bachchan just dies and suddenly returns. It’s meant to obviously be a surprise but the emotional punch is very weak. This is a stepfather daughter revenge saga without a huge development on their own arc!
Thugs of Hindostan gets a minimum guarantee of Rs. 110 cr. for the Chinese market!
Aamir Khan is a big name when it comes to the audience across the border in China. An example of his stardom there is the fact that each of his releases be it 3 Idiots, PK, Dangal, and Secret Superstar that have gone on to establish benchmarks at the China box office. This being said, Aamir Khan seems to have developed a connect with the audience in China, who in turn have taken an ardent liking to the actor’s cinematic outing. Now, keeping this in mind it comes as no surprise that the makers of Thugs of Hindostan would eventually look at releasing the period epic in the country. However, we hear that Yash Raj Films have decided to go a step further and ensure a wide if not wider than the domestic release of the film in China. But the interesting part is the fact that the film, even before it hits screens in China has earned its makers a whopping Rs. 110 cr. there.
For those still wondering how Thugs of Hindostan will feature at the China box office, one need not look further than Aamir Khan’s earlier releases in this territory. For instance, the actor’s previous releases include Dangal that raked in a staggering USD 196.89 million [Rs. 1437.30 cr], while his other release Secret Superstar that saw its domestic collections stagnate at Rs. 63.40 cr; drew in a massive USD 118.24 million [Rs. 863.15 cr] in China and PK that collected USD 116.60 million [Rs. 851.18 cr]. Besides these films there is also Aamir’s other release 3 Idiots that incidentally played a crucial role in opening up the Chinese market for Bollywood films, especially since it was the first Indian film to hit screens in China.
SRK on Thugs!!
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It’s been a unique year at the movies with seemingly small films like Stree and Badhaai Ho hitting Rs 100 crore and a star project like Thugs of Hindostan struggling to stay afloat. Do you always have a box-office target in mind with every film of yours?
Shah Rukh: Not in hundreds, but in thousands! (Laughs) Main dhai sau, teen sau crore mein believe nahi karta… ab toh seedha thousand crore!
Jokes apart, I would like to say something. It’s a little personal and I don’t know whether it’s right to say it or not. This is something that’s saddened me and so I want to share it. When it happened to me personally, I wasn’t so sad, but this time I am. There are people who have given excellence to cinema for years. A film can be good, a film can be bad; none of us can ever claim ki maine duniya ki sabsi achchi film banayi hain. Mr Bachchan and Aamir have been people who have constantly contributed to the excellence of cinema. The greatest contribution to Hindi cinema in the last 10 years has been from Aamir, and with Amitji, it’s been even longer. Now if a film of theirs (Thugs of Hindostan) doesn’t reach the level that you expected it to, does it take away from what they have done for cinema?
I think some people have been a little too harsh. It’s heartbreaking. It doesn’t mean that their spirit is broken, they are all amazing artistes who will bounce back. But one needs to be a little less harsh. I think Stree was fabulous and we need to make 20,000 films like that. But I also think that Thugs of Hindostan is fantastic. Sometimes we do go wrong, but Aamir has never done a film in which he hasn’t put in his best… I’ve known him for 20 years. And if there’s anyone who can put in even more effort than Aamir — which Aamir will also agree — it’s Amitji… and at this age! So they’ve come in with good hearts and great talent and tried to make a film which tries to open up a new genre.
I may be speaking out of turn, but just like we have embraced Stree, we need to give some leeway to films like Thugs… that attempt something different. An adventure film has not been made in India in decades… probably Parasmani (1963) in black and white was the last one. Thugs… has tried to introduce this genre and kabhi kabhi upar neeche ho sakta hai. But the fact remains that in our cinema, we haven’t made an Indiana Jones and screw the comparison yaar, humne Pirates of the Caribbean bhi nahin banayi. So props to them for the attempt.
I have faced this with Ra.One… woh galat bann gaya, but at least mera effort tha to introduce superheroes into our cinema. Effort can’t be derided like this. If it was my film, it would seem like I was taking it personally, but yes, I am taking this personally.
I let people down with Jab Harry Met Sejal, which was an utter flop. But I didn’t want to let anyone down; I just liked the fact that koi story nahin thi, sirf ek ring ke chakkar mein the two people (SRK’s Harry and Anushka Sharma’s Sejal) kheechey chale jaate hain… it was very organic, slice-of-life thi. The other day I met a director who mentioned the term ‘slice-of-life’ and I said, ‘nahin, poora pumpkin do mujhe iss baar’ (laughs).
What I am saying is that we need to give everything a chance. If Zero works, it will give people encouragement to make films that are even bigger in scale and story. And if we keep doing it, then maybe one day we will be able to make a good Mahabharat too. Nahin toh sirf bahaar waale hi hamari stories banate rahenge. Aur hum dekh ke sochte rahenge ki humne Gandhi kyun nahin banayi?
Good one! This is exactly my feeling. I was planning on writing the same things but couldn’t find the time. He literally snatched the words out of my mouth..my key-board I guess. The way the reviews were being written, the way a 76 year old actor’s iconic show is being used to create memes, the way the 2 actors are being made fun of, it is heart-breaking, and he’s used the right word.
People can say it’s a bad movie, the worst, whatever, and move on: Repeatedly saying the same thing again again, going through a loop, it’s a pretty insensitive public out there. People who haven’t watched the film saying it’s the worst. Gloating. I don’t know.
In general, social media brings out the WORST in a person. Pathetic. What to expect? The founder of the most popular social media tool himself had the ‘vision’ of creating the tool not for any greater good or advancement of society, but just to join a club in the University so that he could sound cool and get a chance to get laid!!
I don’t know whether SRK is genuine here because his past history when he comes out with such statements have not been entirely honest. Is he feeling the heat now what with him being the last Khan on to be measured this year? Only he knows.
AnJo I’ve been meaning to say I share your general distain for social media.
Look at #metoo, it’s practically dead now. Because people chose Twitter instead of national daily newspaper or better still lawyers. I take Twitter as seriously as finding a life partner on Tinder! 😀 But then trollers find ways to make things happen at marginal levels.
Whether SRK is genuine or not…the word heartbreaking is very apt here. I’m not so emotionally invested in stars as it may seem but this is one instance where the general sentiment has been very unfair and unfortunate.
I hope China provides a better response rather than a bitter one.
Twitter can be blamed to teach something to most of the folks – a new word ‘trolls’ without understanding the meaning. They use it anywhere when they don’t agree with someone. Lol.
I’ve scratched my head so many times on a Saturday morning years ago, banging my head as to why no one believes what a bargain basement box office site BOI is. I’m 100% with you. It is logical what you are doing.
I’m not sure if prices drop by 20% though. I thought maybe 10%, people in India will be able to confirm.
But I feel your disgust. In fact for once I’m glad it’s not me. When the penny drops on someone like Krish my job is done as I am sure his interests in box office are serious and he can devote time to improving it.
That’s good work saket..I dont mean to nitpick but will mention couple of things..
the producer total for race 3 is around 175cr..addatoday has it at 173cr..not sure why BH is carrying BOI numbers..
secondly you can reduce 10 to 15 percent for ticket prices..but it is also possible that being a Salman movie the occupancies in smaller centre are higher than the centers you have used as the eid festivities affect smaller centre of up etc for 3 to 5 days.
.the boi number for day 4 to 6 is 14, 9.5 and 8…yours is 12.9, 9.9, 7.93 before price correction and would be 11.7, 9 and 7.25 after percent ticket cost reduction of 10 percent…its not too far off from boi to reduce the final total to reduce 35cr from 175cr and arrive at 140cr.
.I assume day 1 and day 2 collections seem ok..day 3 inflated by 3cr, day 4 to day 6 inflated by another 5 cr at max..week 2 of race 3 anyways added only 24cr and week 3 sanju released and movie added another 1cr..the producer number of 173 to 175cr is no doubt inflated maybe by around 10 to 15cr max…boi number is around 8 to 9 cr less than producer..I can live with tha level of dishonesty….i will move to eventually a better site to follow if there is anyone out there other than BOI..till then…
Krish – just set up your own thing and give us a share of your profits in the future. This is a clear cut way to make yourself rich and famous in a very honest way. Don’t follow the BOI route. You only have Taran Adarsh and Komal Nahta ahead of you – that’s like Race 3 and TOH giving competition to Dangal. You’ll be a star.
Now that I have the excel sheet setup, I can certainly give some numbers for the 1st week after comparing them to RACE 3 or Sanju. It’s going to be fun!
Haha..you are the one made for this..you can make boi go out of business if you enter the field..🙂
Aside, I think we should encourage this bolytrick guy..seems a guy who is interested only in bo reporting no snide comments etc..hope he expands his thing
This is some aspirational stuff you can get your head round. Of course this is the next stage after nailing facts of actuals, but once you get there you can start to become a forecasting wizard. Plenty more papers like this on the internet.
If you don’t I suspect Saket will be loaded in a few years time. And he can diversify into sports too. Total killing.
It’s really weird. Yesterday I was searching for a column I would have written on NG but couldn’t find one. But stumbled on a comment from Jeeves on bollybusiness or something like that where he linked my Dostana numbers (from NG) to counter some under reporting elsewhere! I didn’t realise my columns were being used like this. Bloody hell didn’t realise these columns went beyond NG. And then Shetty on Facebook reminded his group, of Saturday mornings and this box office column and how he liked it. Then Himesh Makand and I shared a small exchange.
Taran Adarsh really screwed me over! Even Sandhya editing my newspaper columns as my English was rushed and lazy. Very happy to see and remember such things.
Of course the opposite side of Naveen, Z and co always on my back really annoyed me.
You’ll be hounded for sure. Every time you are 1rupee below BOI for any star film you’ll have to stand up and take your medicine. But no one will have any real substance in their counter –
Naysayer – BOI is better
You – why?
Naysayer – because it is
Your method is irrefutable right now as BOI hasn’t got a method for Naysayers to counter with. I’m 100% behind you.
@Saket – this proves my point that ‘anyone’ can do this. Obviously your not just anyone but the fact that 2 people from distant countries can do some number crunching and provide genuine back up to numbers, some transparency etc is point proven. Whether your number is right or wrong is academic at this point, it’s no less worthy than the BOI ones. In fact it’s more worthy as you have provided your own logic. And the only counter is changing some of your assumptions but the underlying method is irrefutable.
Sure, it was just a suggestion in case. The analytics involved in indian cricket is pretty mature at this point due to the money involved. And it really adds value to everyone involved.
But Bollywood is all about hoarding raw data. Thats the way that industry likes to be.
Anyway if I reach my 50’s and have spare time and interest in this I’ll do it for sure. So before I get there I want someone to build something that I can take 3rd mover advantage from 😀
By the way every time I open this thread, this hideous Aamir Khan picture is in my face. Surely a still of Firangi and Azaad circling each other is better! Even Katrina!
3 more days and then we can replace it with ayushman khurana pic from BHB as that will be the only movie around.. that’s me genuinely trolling for once 😝
140Cr for TOH. BH will be taking over by Thursday or Friday on daily collections. This is the enormity of embarrassment. A 3 week old film will be taking over TOH. I would never have put a penny on that whatever the odds! This is the extent of which some social media impact has taken place. After first day predictions for lifetime was 200Cr or even more. Now it’s well below 150Cr. You can basically guess a lot of business has been lost this way. Not that 200Cr was any level of respectability in first place.
Anyway TOH still has its potential wildcard of China.
Yeah it’s quite a shock honestly..the year was a good one for trade till now..this makes it a bad year now..even the most pessimistic person wouldn’t have expected this to finish 20cr more than stree…in 4 days 2 years of effort and expectations have gone in smoke..whether it does anything in China doesnt change anything in India..if anything the distributors will actually end up feeling movie was made for China and feel cheated ..
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It can do 100m in China (not that it will) and it won’t change the verdict and perception of the film. What’s the point in scoring overseas when domestically its a disaster.
China is nothing more than a bonus. Obviously India matters most. It’s been annihilated there and rest of world is awful. But no one could have predicted this. Even Bobby Sidhu is off by some 40Cr. The level of damage here can in part be explained by a rather extreme reaction. There is simply no way the film is this bad.
It’s a 2/5 film and this should be doing 200Cr IMO but the audience have spoken loud and clear. Nothing will be spared not even a YRF Bachchan Aamir combo.
Anything AnJo or Saket are saying with an alternative motive here is being perpetuated further. I’m not suggesting a hate mob but just social media has had some impact here. Realistically everyone’s predictions from Day 1 have been downed dramatically. From 400, 300 to reasonable ones in 200 mark are squashed below Bobby Sidhu to around 140Cr.
Now the race is – not Race 3 but Akshay’s highest grosser!
One thing I forgot to add: Its not possible that movie makes 1st day record and then getting removed from theaters from 4-5th day and mostly by end of 1st week. Its rarity in Indian box office or anywhere.
Now what is this I’m reading. Instead of accepting the historic clash and disaster result of TOH the numbers of other films are being questioned. We all know Krishh3, HNY, Race 3 and Padman etc were inflated as are all films but TOH didn’t even do 50 on its first day and its probably not even hit 100 in the first 3 days.
TOH is an even bigger disaster than Bombay Velvet.
Caught #TOH today. It is one time watchable. I don’t know what is the fuzz about people spreading so much negativity and foul mouthing the movie. Yes it is an opportunity lost to be ATBB but it’s genuinely not that bad as it had been said about.
The premise was good, a lot could have been done but nevertheless it was entertaining(could have edited the movie at least by 15 mins).
Aamir acted well and his character was fully developed and looked lively on screen. Problem was with other characters roles which were not fully developed that includes Ab sr’s too. AB sr looked majestic in screen. What an aura he has and carries. Wow. All scenes between him and Aamir together were gems and paisa vasool. Yes fatima was a miscast here. Her face looked bloated and dialogue delivery was below par. Plot twists were predictable but in line of masala movies. Though found amusing that same English men were there in fort for another 11 years, they never moved anywhere, never got army support from other British rule places. Also not a single scene of people helplessness or slavery from the atrocities of british men. They were living the 11 years just like that and woke up only in the last scenes. And the most ridiculous part was Britishers celebrating dusshera!!!. I mean why?. They could have chosen some other event to justify their involvement in the celebration with cities people.
1st half is good (found little unconvincing that firangi got too close to azaad too early),
2nd half is ok (apart from scenes from azaad left over gang taking shelter at suriayya’s place till revealing of Azaad was bad).
Found vfx ok, dint find it hampering the overall feel or look of the movie.
Last lines… Movie does not deserve so much of hatred and ridiculing. I mean it is not that bad as being projected. There are many bad movies compare to it which has churned money. But yes it is strictly one time watchable movie. It is a giant opportunity lost because of bad direction.
Highlight : All scenes between Ab sr & Aamir.
Ratings:2.5/5
Amit, the issue is what your last line is “Ratings:2.5/5”
2.5 would be okay for other actors but for aamir film, people expect more. And then on top of it audience have to pay lot more to see it, they will be pi$$ed if expectations are not met.
And when film does bad all over the world, then we have to accept that it’s a bad film.
Only saving grace for TOH is that there was no competition, let’s say something like Padmaavat had released along with it, TOH would have wrapped up in 125 crore at the most.
This is a historic failure of movie . Amir may go down as actor who has given biggest blockbuster and biggest flop ever. Toh has many advantages like comming in Diwali holiday period , no competition for 3 weeks still such failure is amazing .This flop again proves no superstar is above good scripts and younger generations actor like ranbhir, ranveer and Varun Dhawan are ready to compete khans and Kumar .
A thought crossed my mind while driving to work- henceforth no superstar will agree to having Zeeshan Ayyub play the hero’s best friend character . LOL !!!
Sorry, if this already been observed by people here or elsewhere .
#Tubelight, TOH !!
Something I have missed on China is it is not driven by the Indian diaspora like all the other market – a fundamental flaw in my argument against releasing this there. But I’m not holding my breath for a big success here. Low expectations and hopefully a surprise.
[I did not see Thugs because of things that I heard from friends and elsewhere. Consider it my ‘protest vote’. Mostly against Yashraj. I’ve heard great things about you here though and I might possibly check it out for this reason. But overall I am so upset at this opportunity being wasted (even if I was never expecting the sky from Yashraj) that it’s difficult for me to show up for this. It’s one thing to make a different or alternative or risky film and then face such a response. In those cases I usually blame the audience. But in a very mainstream commercial enterprise there’s simply no excuse for not getting the script right. And it doesn’t take very much. I even had bookings for Sat but I went so far as to cancel them. I’m not otherwise persuaded by audience reactions if I truly believe in the film. And some friends I heard from are let’s say a lot more tolerant than myself when it comes to absorbing ‘Bollywood’ (which is to say the contemporary Hindi industry). Judging from the overall response though I might not be the only ‘angry’ person in this sense. Even accepting the obvious there is something a bit puzzling about the intensity of the response. In a way I am now more intrigued than I might have been initially!]
Jayshah if u remember only two reviews on douban and look what I found.Both these accounts seems to be of Indian and specifically seems SRK fans.
3 useful SRK… seen 2018-11-09
The rotten film, IMDB is now 3.8. The part of the song and dance made me very disappointed, and it was too embarrassing. Android
2 useful super Indian fans have seen 2018-11-09
Super bad film, it is a waste of time. Amir Khan continues to film and sell poor and backward movies in India, and I believe that he will return soon.
Is ‘Aamir’ so hard to spell? Considering you’ve just typed ‘a’ and don’t have to move on the keyboard anywhere else for the next letter which is also an ‘a’. Is it some way of insulting him?
I’m going to start dropping a letter from everyone’s name here now.
Ocky – oye oye Ocky
Satam – nearly Satan
Mit – nearly tit
Sanjan – nearly a boy
Blis – no change
A Jo – grammatically correct
– ‘Z’ is just blank now
rish – the alter ego of a superhero
Aster & Arcus – sequel to Karan Arjun
Saet – wannabe Spanish car
Raul – one of my favourite footballers
Navee – nearly a girl
I see incorrect spelling with Aamir a lot but one of the prime reasons could be that “Amir” is also proper name which is as popular as Aamir throughout India. It really is not an incomplete as you put for other names here.
Boxer everyone in Britain knows but come on basic decency to spell a name right. Even AFTER it’s been pointed out. And these are so called Bollywood fans who will have seen ‘Aamir’ zillions of times. Amir Khan is a very popular British and Olympic boxer. No one I’ve seen write his name has spelt it incorrectly.
Seems some form of deliberate insult, I remember Tango (Abid) on NG use to do this whenever he spoke ill of Aamir.
Jayshah comments were in Mandarin.I translated through Google option and pasted it here.I think from douban whenever u translate Amir appears not Aamir.Also Mandarin is a symbolic language and there is never a word to word (exact) translation.
Take a look at the below – This is from MANK, a gentleman, a great lover of movies, and an absolutely neutral person who comments on BR blog, and writes terrific comments, especially on Malayalam movies…
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I will write a detailed note on the film later, but either i saw a very different film than the others or i have completely lost it. I cant believe this is the film that everyone is bashing left right and center. i find it even more unbelievable that Brangan, who was perhaps the only reviewer to champion masala movies like Apne or Veer or the work that went into Drona or hell even Joker – and rightfully so- would dismiss this film with such disdain. As just one among the 7 people who liked Tashan and one among a million who disdained Dhoom3, i would say i found TOH to be a very enjoyable and entertaining masala film that pays tribute to the legacy of masala cinema , its greatest star Amitabh Bachchan and its most successful modern exponent Aamir Khan. This is no way a lazy cash grab like Race3 where Aamir dialed it in, there is a lot of his convictions a lot of thought go into this film that is mounted on such a lavish scale.. The film has its flaws, no question about it, could this have been better ?, Absolutely!. there are issues in terms of tone, casting, staging etc. but this is no way an embarrassment for Amitabh or Aamir and i am glad that they chose to come together for this one. As a fan of masala films, Of Amitabh Bachchan and Aamir Khan , i dont regret watching this at all
MANK is usually a very good reader of movies..I am usually not much of a movie watcher..but I am intrigued to check this out atleast when it comes to Amazon
I’m happy! Thanks for the post. Someone else who saw another movie! That’s how we felt. In my company I had people who love international cinema and see a lot of films. They liked TOH very much and still talk about it after 2 days. They don’t understand the sabotage and the ratings of the film. Also the people in the hall were enthusiastic like us.
An Jo, I had read Tigmanshu Dhulia’s interview (or heard him say t his), where he says “audience film ko sungh leti hai” (audience have a way to know about the movie)…before it even releases. Through trailers. Songs. I predicted a flop before the release based on my own instinct as audience. It has nothing to do with Aamir or Bachchan, both of whom I am fan of (bachchan yes. aamir not at that same level). The british in the movie as villain just created the pepto bismal moment for me and deal breaker for me. If only YRF had run the script by me, I would have asked them to make worthy villains, change story or time period to have something else as the villain. The film is only as good as its villains. The other points that are not as major: I didn’t like bachchan doing sword fights-dance and such in the sneak peak. Somehow it didn’t go with his physicality and age. I wanted to hide under the table. His voice was amazing but rest was like grandpaa doing sword fight or dancing. He should play aging don like Marlon Brando in Godfather or Pankaj Kapoor in Maqbool…A sarkar done under able hands of director like Neeraj Pandey or someone skillful. Somehow he is not able to pull it off like Rajnikant who is in similar age category. Katrina looked too lame–been there, done that, type dance moves, trying so hard. Aamir looked thakela and his bowing down to british, bowing down to Bahchan looked very fake and unreal in the sneak peak. And the less said about the boats t he better it is, compare the VFX to Kedarnath trailer which are so much better. If you gotta do masala and masala at big scale, you have to take the leaf out of Bahubali. It was same old. same old Mahabharata story, but it all felt so good and entertaining and refreshing. Just see the first time Prabhas meets Tamannah. very utterly sexy and convincing Tamannah with full on objectification but in a very convincing way. All the small characters from Kattapa, to villains to smaller sub-plots. Anushka sweety with sword fights, amazing and convincing.
For YRF: if you want to make a movie at this big scale, nepotism or couchism should be out. You should cast people on merit and merit alone. Maybe Adi Chopra got ton of free money to invest into a movie from venture capitalists, dunno but right now he must be losing all his hair from the stress of this debacle. At least he should have invested in a better editor for this movie!! Now please don’t hate me too much for this “analysis” and rambling thoughts.
Rajamouli ke baap ne likkha, Rajamouli ne direct kiya, Prabas ne execute kiya! In that order. But the movie is made on editing table. If the movie is awesome and editor screws up or if the movie is terrible but editor makes enough cuts to make it all look still good. I feel editor is like clothing designer. Some genius designer can make clothing look fab on a fat girl. Some bad designer can make clothing look terrible on size zero model. But then I could be wrong. But this is my thinking. I think all great directors (think of Hirani in India or Hrishikesh M.) are great editors. So Hirani’s three idiots was not working and Hirani narrowed it down to 1st half where Chatur reactions were absent or reactions to Chatur where absent. So he then went ahead and strategically placed Chatur or Aamir reactions and suddenly the film worked in that it enabled the idea of what director was trying to say to audience. For Meghana Gulzar’s Raazi, Mahesh Bhatt sat with her in editing room. Thats why Raazi looks so much better in the end as a product than what it really is. He enhanced the soppy paced, crying drama into somewhat of a interest holding thriller.
BTW, this is what the audience was saying at the intermission of ToH. Take it easy. lol
It’s amazing how many hindi songs are copied, especially from the pakistani songs. there are few videos on youtube on it. Some even have the exact lyrics.
Drop it An Jo. Its a different matter that most Aamir fans have rejected TOH themselves because it is a tribute to masala and they have made it loud and clear that Dangal is the standard with which he will be judged (first SS and now TOH). No complains from my side!
The irony is on the trolls who fancy themselves as masala fans and are trolling an honest (but not a great) tribute to masala.
QSQT has been a thorn for both masala lovers of eighties and ddlj-lovers of nineties (some here are both!!). Its an ideological pesticide, so not so trivial for them. Childhood memories are just nostalgia, but ideological differences will always expose who you really are, and TOH trolling is just proving these points.
Haha, can’t believe folks here are so twisted and twisting my comments. QSQT songs are copied doesn’t make it a comment against Aamir. Q2Q (which we fondly call it) is one of my all time fav movies ever and there is lot of reasons for me to love that movie which I can’t share on public channel as there is family/cousins connection to the film makers!
Marcus: I have been the utmost patient here and I will leave it at that..any 2nd grade kid can detect the ‘flow’ here. Anyway forget it; don’t want to abuse someone else’s blog and mis-use that hospitality. People know who’s who and who’s what..just as Aamirsaurabh was told not to clog the threads with Aamir’s movie collections in China by the hour…and thankfully he stopped it..
Yes I’m sorry too. I use the dashboard (www.satyamshot.wordpress.com/wp-admin) to respond so very rarely check which thread the comments originate from. Hence I’m in the wrong thread too.
@ Z – check the web-site that I posted – they have tracked it all the way even to the likes of Shankar Jaikishan – though of course, there’s more integrity with the old-time musicians than the newer ones since they were much more grounded in classical music and gharanas; here’s another one – though I have to say, the plagiarized one is truly melodious and one for the ages..and the original
Why only songs? Most of Aamir’s successful scripts in nineties were plagiarised versions of Hollywood films. Its common knowledge, but some of us still like those films. Its ok imo, Firangi has done a lot of stuff in his 30 years so far.
In some pop-philosophy thrown in TOH, he did what it took to be ‘alive’ given his circumstances. To which Khudabaksh says that everyone gets a chance to redeem himself … and Firangi responds well when the time comes. Remember Lagaan, RDB, DCH, Dangal, PK to name a few?
Not just Aamir, the Hollywood influence dates back to Raj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand’s days. Chori Chori was an adaptation of It Happened One Night, which was also the inspiration behind DHKMN.
Even the great Guru Dutt was inspired by film-noir. The great visuals in Pyaasa owe something to German Expressionism, which re-defined Hollywood in the times of Citizen Kane.
And to be honest, inspiration is always fine. It’s when one crosses the boundaries and becomes a chor. it becomes a problem.
You don’t know me so I can’t say trust me, but I can tell you with all honesty that i’m not here to put down any stars or movies. I keep saying this, just go thru any old threads for reference and make an educated decision yourself. Marcus does nothing but create negative environment on this blog. Only reason he gets away is because he is an aamir fan. Imagine if he was trashing aamir/bachchan all the time on this blog??? He is usually trashing srk and that makes many on this blog happy, and lets not pretend like it doesn’t.
Anyway, to restate the qsqt song, i was shocked because i didn’t think i’ve seen it pointed out anywhere before that it was a copy. Take songs from Dil, it was already in paper from day one that couple songs are copied so no surprise.
I will go thru the link you’ve provided to see what else is there. Any song that jumped out at you, i sense that you didn’t think it was copied?
By the way, ehtics/creativity aside, I don’t have an issue with copying as long as it’s done well.
I dont care about the originality.
Songs of QAQT, Aashiqui etc are evergreens, though kids are taking time to adapt to 80s and 90s hits but i think they would eventually.
“Buddha Hoga Tera Baap” is not trending well despite being vintage stuff … 2 days gone and this thread has not yet crossed 400 comments!
Even the ‘retired hurt’ drama has fallen flat.
Meanwhile Satyam is waiting for 18 days to pass and has taken his commentary to bachan’s blog instead (note the spelling, correlate it with how to fly to moon and feel happy).
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#Zero has been sold to powerful distributors at every circuit & their distribution is extremely strong. Semi-Clash between #zero & #Simmba could take a bad turn in coming days. Hope things get sorted out for good.
Here’s something for those who are interested…could the TOH disaster be avoided?…
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SOME filmmakers say it is invaluable in helping them gauge an audience’s response. Others say it threatens their integrity. But nearly everyone concedes that movie testing has become a studio addiction not to be kicked any time soon.
Playing a film to a sample audience before it opens is not new: Frank Capra, Alfred Hitchcock and other greats liked to have their films shown to preview audiences to discern where the laughs or gasps did or didn’t come, when there was too much coughing, when the restrooms became too crowded for comfort. But those screenings were spontaneous, casual affairs — often the studio simply slipped the film into a theater unannounced, and there was nothing scientific about the process.
But not all. ”It’s a very arduous process that most directors find difficult and simplistic,” Mr. Pressman said. Andrew Bergman, the director of ”Honeymoon in Vegas” and other comedies, loathes the process and says that all the information he got from testing his recent ”Isn’t She Great” was that audiences didn’t want to watch Bette Midler die. Oliver Stone does not usually test his movies, but he made an exception for ”Natural Born Killers,” he said, ”because I had to know if it was too way out there.” On his most recent film, ”Any Given Sunday,” his contract with Warner Brothers stipulated that if he went over budget, he had to test. He did, so he did.
”I ended up cutting about 15 minutes after the test,” Mr. Stone said, ”and I liked feeling the heat of the audience. I don’t mind testing, per se, but it’s part of this becoming such a product-oriented business. It can ruin the integrity of the film, and the director becomes another cog in the machine.”
The best-known nontester is the best-known director. ”Steven Spielberg doesn’t do it,” Ms. Press of DreamWorks said. ”Why not? Because he doesn’t need to. He just doesn’t like the process and doesn’t think it can tell him anything he doesn’t know.”
Not sure, An Jo, if this could have prevented anything. From my personal work experience I have found it more effective and prescriptive to adapt to constant customer feedback and changing focus/requirements, when working in RAD iterations (only possible in small scale modularized prototyping projects with a small specialised team), than when working in an Agile environment across verticals in a big project with many teams involved. Both requires different management skills too at different levels with lot of inter-dependencies. So what works for Aamir in his usual AKP productions, may not have yielded proportional results in the biggest bollywood production with a budget of 200 cr under YRF banner.
In another perspective, its a dual tribute to both masala and jack sparrow – which made in jarring to some extent, more alien in my books to a surprised audience.
Its the same case with Aamir’s career and the most consistent line of criticism for him.
If you revisit the film, once Khdabaksh dies (apparently) and passes the amulet to Firangi, he is just using his duplicity to help out in the cause. Its a devious Machiavellian way to get to the target. He just appears to be helping the brits.
Bingo – this is how simple this film was. Second half – could have had flashbacks of Big B if they wanted him in narrative. But once ‘dead’ he should never have returned. And Firangi should have been a Thug in second half, a bygone era thugish Sanjay Singhania. Not a tattoo lunatic but just some very revengeful version of Azaad.
If you liked RR, then maybe you can give this a chance. Its similar fun (characterization wise) in a more expensive production with somewhat muted masala elements.
And I will add this bit. Both of Aamir’s characters in SS and TOH are similar in the fact that both come across ‘non-hero’ like (even repulsive to some extent by traition) but actually helps out in the cause more than anyone else. So in that way SS and TOH form a ‘couple’. This maybe one focal reason why both films have been rejected in India. We perhaps cant consume such characters in a mass scale commercial entertainer. Or maybe all the message-oriented films have made it impossible for him to be acceptable in a non-straight role in India?
SS did fine in China. Lets see what TOH does in Jan.
I don’t believe Marcus is at 3 (Munna can help to run a sql and get the figures). He has taken leaves and is in supersonic mode since few days. You might be close second along with Saket.
Akshay Kumar now has a very large production team – 50+ employees in charge of just overlooking the execution of his projects. Currently 4 are in floor and one ready to be announced in 2 months.
This is not a big production from what i gather.
More like story around the indomitable spirit of women team members in the Mars Mission, showing their struggles and spirited efforts in the Mars Mission.
honestly Akshay’s patriotism is getting a bit on my nerves. this is not cinema but unnecessary pandering to the government.
btw is it just me or I thought the central idea behind Gold reeks of tastelessness. Opening in 1936 when Germany is on the brink of killings on a grand scale, and we have a movie whose objective is to appease the ego of pseudo patriots who are happy to see India win a gold on its own, because this is what matters to us!
No 1: Aamir Khan – He consolidates his No 1 position with a rock solid record opening of ToH. The debacle of ToH has made the Halo around him disappear. I wish he could do a quickie but looks like he has a BIG plan for 2020.
No 2: Salman Khan – After two flops and one hit in last two years, Salman came down to No 2 after Eid this year. His next Eid release will be dangerously placed.
No 3: Ranbir Kapoor – One Sanju and he changed the rankings. Next year Is Bhramastra Part 1. A christmas release.
No 4: Akshay Kumar – He has not given a flop since some time. This could be his saving grace among the top stars. He needs to deliver a biggie now to return to top 3. All eyes on 2point0.
No 5: Ranveer Singh / Ajay Devgn – Ranveer has a Biggie coming Simbaa. Ajay needed a release this year to remain in top 5 by end of this year,
The halo is blown open and the opportunity for redemption is far away. There is no #1. It’s a vacant spot right now. Everyone is fighting for it. Salman/Aamir together. Rest are far behind. Akshay can make a dash for it, even SRK.
The year right now belongs to the small content films. Barring Sanju and Padmaavat, the biggies have failed. 2.0 and Zero IMO will do well. Ranveer Singh might have a breakout year if Simbaa is huge as he already has Padmaavat. Ranbir’s Bhramastra sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I have little hope for this genre unless Rajamoulli starts a masala school for Bollywood directors. VKA can be his first student.
Tamil + Telugu numbers are just guess work. They can’t be real numbers. 1.5, 1, 0.75, 0.5, 0.4 is just some numbers thrown to show the decline. If a movie makes 75 lakhs on Sunday, it can’t make 50 lakhs on Monday. That’s extraordinary trending. I understand these are low levels and there’s not much to fall but instead of spending time to figure out the real gross they just put apprx gross on their own. I just don’t see 50 lakhs collection worth in dubbed languages on Monday for a rejected movie.
You also have to remember that in the past few years, Hollywood films are taking big bites out of our box office, especially these big-budget flicks like The Jungle Book, Jurassic World series and Avengers Infinity War. Why, Avengers Infinity War, released earlier this year, broke into the Rs 200 crore club, something Race 3 and in high probability, Thugs of Hindostan, couldn’t do. So the audiences are really getting their fill of visual spectacles from the ones coming from the West. What they look into our cinema is good storytelling and great entertainment factors. Brilliant VFX should only be enhancer, not the driving force. And certainly not have a hero in a movie that is clearly inspired from Hollywood film!
While I was writing this piece, another Aamir Khan movie, Dangal, kept coming in my mind. Made on a fraction of the budget of TOH, we all know that it is now the highest grossing Indian movie worldwide. Thus, proving my point of the article. Fingers crossed that Aamir Khan has better luck with his rumoured 7-part Mahabharat series. We are rooting for you!
Both releases this week Pihu and Bhaiyaaji superhit will be releasing bigger than initially planned and will have a great chance to put some numbers…pihu might surprise…
Been really busy after watching. Will jot down few comments . Simply put – Aamir rocks and movie sucks! The movie should have been named ‘Adventures of Firangi Mallah’ with few twist to the current story. Few portions are very well directed but the 2 biggest flaws of the movie are no emotional depth, connectivity and TOO loud background music ruining everything. Even though Aamir is the only good part of the movie(baring him in Suraiyya song which was unwatchable), his presence actually ruined the script. It became too much about Aamir and less about the story it was supposed to tell. Aamir’s character just overshadows the script and that is never a good thing. Like, Prabhas was not number 1 star prior to Baahubali but SS Rajamouli still took him and made the most expensive budgeted movie without worrying about the returns. You can’t take megastar like Chiranjeevi and try to make Baahubali, he’ll simply overshadow the script. So, basically Aamir’s character is great but simply in the wrong movie. There are way too many flaws which I think everyone already pointed but I would like add that editing is not bad at all. I don’t think you would want an epic movie to be around 2 hours, there is not many useless scenes especially on script or paper. The execution was the culprit with no attachment. Apart from Aamir.. no other actor was even given a well defined character. I mean you don’t need to go back in 70’s to get basics right.. even recently Baahubali made sure that all characters are well written. You can’t just flush out 1 character and expect movie to do wonders at boxoffice. If anyone watches just 5 mins of movie and watch the Manzoor-e-Khuda song and you’ll figure out that this movie will flop. That is one of the cringing songs out there.
All the antics done by Aamir’s character are good to watch but it hardly adds anything to the story. Its like the ball is already in the air and Aamir is running very hard to make as many runs possible and in twice the speed. But dude, if that ball is caught, your running is gonna be waste and not useful for the team. Samething happened. All his side antics and flipping will go waste if the movie’s main story doesn’t work.
Overall not the worst movie ever made but if people don’t like it completely, it’ll flop and nothing could have saved it. Just wasted one of Aamir’s good characters in this movie.
Btw, I went with few folks and couple of them called it worst movie of their lives and I’ve been debating with them to say its not that bad. It might be hard for people on here to believe that, Lol.
Worst movie ever? I’ve seen plenty of worse films in cinema and most tend to be with Salman. Hello Brother, Chal Mere Bhai, Dulhan Hum Le Jayenge, geez that list could go on.
I feel sorry for TOH in this sense. The very extreme reactions are or can only be linked by very gargantuan expectations. It’s just not that bad a film, maybe more boring than bad.
Thanks for pointing out the BGM. I was a fan of it in trailer but here practically every seen has some background to it which really is not required and stank the film up everywhere. And don’t get me started on that song. Suraiyya is good for Katrina but the other one is a real wtf moment.
I’m not a fan of Baahubali at all. I can’t come to terms with its excessive melodrama. But at least it’s tonally consistent. It’s not a loud joke played out at the audience’s expense.
Bahubali is unbelievably excessive melodrama but it’s so good! The historinics are everything those Indian TV serial promise to be but aren’t. I still haven’t sat through one episode of a TV serial. Bahubali I’ve seen twice now (both) and could easily watch again.
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I thought the home secretary character in Bodyguard was inspired by May? The lead actor is in contention to play the next Bond!
Anyways, caught up with it recently and liked it quite a lot. The opening episode was absolutely dynamite. Pun intended!
But, and a big but at that, it’s not a patch on Sherlock. How I wish Mike Gatiss comes out with a new season for fans like me. It’s probably my second favorite series from Britain after Wolf Hall.
The thing is, I’m a big Sherlock Holmes fan. Have read all the books, some graphic novels and was quite a fan of the Granada series featuring Jeremy Brett. Hell, I even watched Robert Downey Jr. play a bizarro Holmes in the Hollywood adaptation.
And I had my apprehensions about this series as well. I wasn’t a fan of the first episode. I thought they were trying to be too clever — Holmes with his sarcastic wit and Watson, the broken-from-inside war veteran. But I was wrong. Very wrong.
This series isn’t about Holmes, the detective at all. He solves crimes, while referencing all of Conan Doyle’s classic stories (even falls in love with Irene Adler aka The Woman) but this isn’t a detective series at all. It’s a full-blown psycho-analytical study of Sherlock Holmes, the character. As seen through his relationship with Watson, his brother Mycroft (Gatiss himself) and Moriarty. It has some wonderful imagery, literally getting inside Holmes’ head at multiple times — capturing his fears, his frailty and his deepest emotions. Some of the sequences are deeply hypnotic and they have nothing to do with solving crimes.
It greatly helps that both Martin Freeman (Watson) and Cumberbatch (Holmes) have completely nailed their parts. Nothing less to be expected from British actors anyway!
Literally everything from murder to Gothic ghosts to a psychotic arch-nemesis called Moriarty. Wouldn’t want to give away everything but the final few seasons where people were pissed off with all the psycho-analysis are my favorite ones.
What people don’t realize is that each episode is building up towards its grand finale. A completely absurd plot perhaps but freaking emotional.
This is masala done right. With Lassi to boot. No wonder I want more!
Certain iconic shows have never interested me. Sherlock, Doctor Who or Star Trek. Probably many others. Just haven’t been struck by them. I’ll give it a go for sure. I’m quite new to the TV series addiction. Cherry picking what I watch, needs to be mutually convenient for the wife too.
And she’s got atrocious taste. Stuff like Geordie Shore what not. So X Files was the first ice breaker.
Right now I’m head stuck into The Haunting of Hill House. Watching an episode a night. An absolute clinic in atmospheric, personal turmoil. It’s not horror or scary horror just very chilling and emotionally charged.
A shout out to Sherlock. Huge fan here. I didn’t like Dr Watson’s wife angle too much in the series but everything else works wonderfully in the mordern context, while retaining the essence of Sherlock. Cumberbitches are delighted to see him in this avatar (The most glorious and elusive society for the appreciation of the high cheekboned, blue eyed sexbomb that is Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch)
I was very agnostic at first as I think change is something to embrace but here I think the entire premise of the referendum was false. Naysayers didn’t understand what they were voting themselves out of. So today I would vote to stay in as I did last time.
SATYAMSHOT 
November 12, 2018 at 1:04 AM
Occupancy data suggests 10% decline on sunday from sat. So day 4 cant be below 21cr!
Now lets have 400 comments on this…
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November 12, 2018 at 1:49 AM
Holy shit …. no replies yet ???!!!
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November 12, 2018 at 2:08 AM
Marcus, BO speaks for himself possibly…. ( – ;
Like I said, I liked and enjoyed TOH very much and the people with me too. Maybe because I don’t know and expect all the hero stories in Hindi movies and I’m not Indian. I will see the film again soon.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:15 AM
I can perhaps understand what u said better than u expect me too. :p
Watch while its still in theaters! I will too … and i think this may work to some extent in china as an indianized version of a disney adventure film. They dont know nor care much abt masala. We will see …
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November 12, 2018 at 2:33 AM
Even I feel this will work greatly in China. There is so much of aamir and in a funny avatar. They can cut off some portions and make it more crisp.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:25 AM
Weibo had a very good reaction to the trailer (exactly opposite to yt). Film will work in China I think.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:35 AM
And watch out for the MB series. Aamir is all about concept films. And this Indian epic is really the best epic story out there in ages and arguably better than its international counterparts. Its a shame that we lament so much at a missed opportunity of a great masala outing, but not that interested when a guy like Aamir takes on the challenge to bring MB to life, that too in a platform like Netflix. Instead we will talk nonsense in that thread too.
Read MB if possible in the meantime …
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November 12, 2018 at 4:18 AM
I know the Ramayana (and now I understand the Indians’ love for great heroes), but MB was too big for me so far. Should Aamir confirm I will read it. But he can only make it international, as different movies like SeSu (socially relevant and content driven) and now TOH (pure entertainment) have proven. Indians in general appreciate his work too little in my opinion. He should be active exclusively in own productions and become clearly more international. There will be extremely much negativity in India against an MB of him and these forces are very strong, so I am against an MB. Imagine only the slightest incorrectness, committed by a Muslim! It is extrem explosive material and telling new stories would be less problematic (I prefer it). But internationally MB can do a lot for Indian cinema and Indian culture – but that’s another thing.
For me, Aamir’s biggest weakness is not TOH. It is his sentimentality and love for Indian cinema and his homeland. He could go anywhere with his talents and liberal mind.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:29 AM
If he made a film on MB, the release would have been politically stalled with controversies of some sort or other. Digital platform is vastly different. No one can stop anyone to watch whatever we like in our cellphones, laptops, PC or TV.
Aside, Ramayana is a kiddo in front of MB. And you have at least 2 years from now to read it.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:45 AM
The possibility to see it doesn’t exclude controversy.
Ramayana is enough for me for now. It taught me a lot but I read MB only when Aamir makes MB. It’s gigantic and very difficult to keep track of if you haven’t sucked these stories in with your mother’s milk. I have tried it, believe me.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:47 AM
I am not talking about a short version. If so, then the full length.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:48 AM
OK! You got time till the official announcement. How about learning Sanskrit in that time-frame? 😛
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November 12, 2018 at 4:59 AM
When I was a small kid, someone gave me a comic-book version of MB. You can imagine was a greatly abridged version it was, but i literally grew up with it. It was only much later i read an unabridged translation. That MB comic (in lines of Amar Chitra Katha series in terms of story-telling and graphics) later translated into an obsession with graphic novels, specially the time-frame when i was abroad.
So go for it dude, u wont regret the time spent!
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November 12, 2018 at 5:21 AM
Sure!
Comic would be good for the beginning! Maybe a simple version first.
I mean it a little different. I already have problems with all the names. So many deities, famous names, festivals, rites. I did not grow up with it and have to read many things to be able to continue. I lack the whole environment, the basics. Everything is so big, the pictures are powerful and huge. Nothing here is just a little like MB. I was now in London in the biggest Hindu temples and knew there only half of the deities and names! Still much to do.
I learned English in 2 years (there was no subject in school here) and work on Hindi – just for the movies, subtitles, interviews. Sankskrit by far exceeds my possibilities, but it’s a brilliant idea! Maybe after Hindi. ((-:
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November 12, 2018 at 5:27 AM
Try this, if they can ship it to your place:
The comic book i had maybe different … i lost my marbles long back. 😛
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November 12, 2018 at 6:27 AM
The Amar Chitra Katha series on Mahabharat is quite excellent. It’s a 3 volume box set (around 40 comics) and when I read it, I couldn’t get enough of it.
Here’s an alternate version of the Mahabharat — as told from Bhim’s eyes with all the post-modern trappings:
This too is a fantastic read.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:35 AM
So sorry for you….but: wow! That could be the solution for me. Thank you very much. Very interesting and with pictures its easier.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:46 AM
You are always welcome.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:58 AM
Thank you so much.
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November 12, 2018 at 6:11 AM
Tom – Try this adaptation too, this is pretty easy on the eyes.
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November 12, 2018 at 6:14 AM
And in case you are interested in production design and concept art aspects of film-making then this is quite interesting …
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November 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
Great! I will see it.
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November 12, 2018 at 1:50 AM
Lets have 1500 comments on this too?
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November 12, 2018 at 2:36 AM
caught badhai ho recently. its one time watch movie.. dint find any thing spectacular about the movie.. it was witty with good performance by side characters… it actually surprised me that andhadhun n badhai ho working that big at Bo.. i guess many r silect fans of delhi wala launda ayushmaan..
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November 12, 2018 at 11:41 AM
LOL you nailed it.. This is the main problem I have with our reviewers. Over-praising or under-praising, both are not good. Folks want to play the ‘good, intelligent’ guy, by saying that smaller films need to be appreciated, blah blah. Nothing like that: I had issues with STREE, and BH. BH is good – but nothing that warrants a trip to the theater. Not every film is a JAANE BHI DO YAARO. I am really flummoxed at the hyper-praise these got and that these even made 100 crores. These are, as we used to have in olden days of Doordarshan, tele-films, that’s all.
I might have laughed for 3 minutes at the max in STREE, and people were writing as though it’s a laugh-riot. [I haven’t seen ANDHA DHUN as yet].
I loved PATAAKHA though.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:51 AM
Yes agree with Badhai Ho. Its good light hearted film but strictly 1 time watch(esp 2nd half) and don’t know how it became blockbuster! Maybe families loved it very much!
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November 12, 2018 at 2:50 AM
Rumored Avatar sequel titles have created a lot of noise recently. Some updates on the 4 avatar films:
https://screenrant.com/avatar-2-2020-trailer-release-date-news/
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November 12, 2018 at 3:05 AM
Venom’s doing great in China …
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We Are Venom. And the rest of us are worried. At least, that’s what some fans have felt concerning the success Venom has been receiving. If you haven’t been keeping up with the news, Venom is killing it in the box office. China is apparently eating this film up like candy, while Venom has also surpassed Justice League at the worldwide box office. Currently at the 670+ million range, it’s easily safe to say Spidey’s big bad is a hit.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/venom/editorial-should-we-be-worried-about-the-success-venom-is-getting-a164675
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November 12, 2018 at 3:07 AM
Avengers 4 trailer not coming soon.
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However, Joe Russo has implied we won’t be seeing the first trailer for the next movie until the New Year.
In an Instagram Q&A, he dropped a strong hint that anyone expecting it in the next few weeks will be left disappointed.
“You may or may not see it before the calendar turns to 2019,” he teased.
In the same Q&A, Russo revealed the current running time for the as-yet-untitled epic.
It seems like fans may need to bring a cushion: as Avengers 4 could be the longest Marvel movie ever.
“The running time on Avengers 4 is currently sitting right at three hours, so we’ll see if that holds,” Russo said.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1043534/Avengers-4-trailer-release-date-clue-2019-Joe-Russo
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November 12, 2018 at 3:08 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 3:17 AM
Star Wars 9: The Truth Behind Lucasfilm’s “Course Correction”
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Star Wars: Episode IX is said to be a “course correction” movie for Lucasfilm, but it’s not in the way some fans might think. The galaxy far, far away experienced its fair share of ups and downs in the past year. The Last Jedi, while a critical and commercial success, proved to be extremely polarizing within the fan base. And this summer’s Solo: A Star Wars Story infamously became the franchise’s first box office failure, throwing Lucasfilm’s future plans into a state of flux. In the wake of Solo underperforming, anthologies about other classic characters (like Boba Fett) are on hold as the studio focuses on other projects.
Through all of this, Episode IX remains on course for its December 2019 premiere, beginning production back in August under the direction of J.J. Abrams. With the Force Awakens helmsman returning to finish what he started, many are curious to see how he’ll conclude the story – especially after The Last Jedi threw numerous curve balls at the audience. Reports indicating Episode IX is seen as a course correction for the property conjure up images of Return of the Jedi 2.0 – a safe, fan-service film designed to be a crowdpleaser. However, a close analysis of the situation reveals something else.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-course-correction-truth/
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November 12, 2018 at 3:36 AM
https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/thugs-of-hindostan-review-1203025257/
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/09/thugs-of-hindostan-review-bollywood-big-budget-swashbuckler-disney-pirates
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November 12, 2018 at 3:50 AM
Yes, China audience will probably feel the same about this one with their alien chinese eyes. Thanks for sharing, sums up what I felt about the movie.
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November 12, 2018 at 3:39 AM
From previous thread:
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When critics slam two of my favourite people @aamir_khan and @SrBachchan new Film #ThugsOfHindostan my daughter says the true picture… Two pages from her #HolidayDaily Chooo chweet she is, this is for you #Victor and #YRFFilms @yrf”
I mentioned previously about my 12yr old niece crying after the last scene before interval, when BigB goes on his suicide mission. It reminded me of all the stories I had heard of kids crying when Jai dies in Sholay. Further, she was thrilled when he re-appears all shackled, and she was even tapping away to the beats of Manzoor-e-Khuda after that.
IMO, the emotional connect, especially with young girls, was established in the first few minutes of the movie, with Khudabaksh saving a young Zafira from getting killed by Clive.
All throughout the show, the biggest laughter could be heard from kids, who found all the Aamir tomfoolery funnier than the reaction to the same from most adult folks.
Looks like those who appreciated the movie, be it kids, or select BigB fans, are too few to make any noticeable difference to the BO of this fast sinking ship.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:02 AM
China’s like a newborn baby. You don’t feed it spicy chicken curry! It needs what it needs which till date is selective bias of Indian cinema! Throwing it the most humiliating moment of Aamir’s career is like giving the baby a scissors to play with. It might be fun to watch for a moment as the baby might cut its hair or some papers but it might poke itself in the eye and cause permanent damage!
This is not some kind of casino where China is a side bet or hedge bet for Aamir. D3 didn’t work, nor Bahubali. Aamir’s stardom isn’t taking this to safety in India. Most evidence points to more bad news. Secret Superstar worked because it followed the Dangal arc.
#boycotttohreleaseinchina
Aside hypothetically I would love to see it release in China just to identify what kind of stardom Aamir has there. But that’s just an academic exercise like when I give my toddler scissors or knives under strict supervision to see what things he would do to make me laugh! 😀
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November 12, 2018 at 4:13 AM
Why are you assuming chinese audience will share the same perspective of indian audience? What seems like a botched up masala effort or a POTC copy to the general indian audience is actually an indian version of Disney film to non-indians. Its not unfamiliar territory to them.
E-stars did not pay 20m $ without watching the film.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:20 AM
Even B-grade hollywood action flicks mint a lot of money in china than they do domestically. Skyscraper made 100m and Rampage did 155m this year in china.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:25 AM
Bahubali has been a big failure in China. They are so well fed on great visuals that the Indian version of POTC won’t interest them at all unless it has a great story they can identify with. Any surprise why Hindi Medium, Hitchki, SS did so well there?
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November 12, 2018 at 4:30 AM
Baahubali is a traditional costume drama and understanding its nuances will be difficult. While TOH is contemporary and like hollywood. As Marcus said hollywood underwhelming films do well in China routinely. And they love aamir more than us.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:53 AM
Oh yes. The comparisons of the trailer reactions to yt and Weibo are like day and night!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:31 AM
TOH is vastly different from BB2. Want real proof? FilmyGeek genuinely meant it when he said he found TOH flat. He wont say the same about BB2. Go figure what that actually means!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:14 AM
You are too pessimistic about this!
No risks, no gains.
TOH is not such a bad film as made out to be. Good story and good actors.
Just wait and watch. Indian audience are fickle. And there is this troll factor and critics’ anger. And whatsapp poison.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:18 AM
I’ll be the first to congratulate if it does well. Being proven wrong is fine with me. I don’t value my opinion that highly, if Marcus and Sanjana are fine then fine!
Marcus you having seen this what do you think China can achieve?
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November 12, 2018 at 4:22 AM
I would expect anything between 50-100m. Cant be precise, hoping for a middling result. 20m is not that bad a buy-out price IMO.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:09 PM
40-80M$ is my range for TOH in China.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:17 AM
At the most what will happen? Nothing that will take away our lives and property. It is just a film. If people have so much fears, man would never tried to fly a plane.
Who is afraid of failure?
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November 12, 2018 at 4:20 AM
This is how we Indians play safe. Forcing our kids to take up science when their hearts lie in arts.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:27 AM
Not afraid. Fine line between bravery and stupidity. Let’s say I believe more in %’s than in chance. Overall whatever it makes in China won’t cover the blood spillage from India and ROW. With Dangal whatever it made just made the story more extraordinary.
Here the added value comes with much greater risk. And I’m thinking more about the entire Indian films here than just 1 Aamir film. You can still gauge what Chinese think about it today. I’m sure their equivalents of IMDb would have ratings as the film would have been pirated already.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:32 AM
If Indian films depend on aamir so much it is their fault. Why cant they go there and promote like Rani did?
Why should aamir sacrifice for those who always want him go down and down?
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November 12, 2018 at 12:16 PM
Jayshah I m attaching the Douban’s link.No rating as yet but it doesnt looks too bad.Out of 16 comments only 2 right now are negetive rest of comments r good to extraordinary.
https://movie.douban.com/subject/27019982/
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November 12, 2018 at 12:18 PM
Ok fair enough. I’m wrong as of now. And very happy to hear this.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:11 PM
What a philosphical comment by Sanjana.Absolutely spot on.It has got nothing to lose.Even TC had Mummy released there.His stardom didnt diminished after Mummy.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:18 AM
If they sensibly edit out a few things, it just might work in China. The visuals are good, battle-scenes are good, its the lack of a thread tying everything that mostly hurt the desi-sensibilities.
They can smartly edit it to greatly accentuate the colonial-hatred, the revenge-by-Zafira (ie the Dangal girl) angle, remove the excessive Firangi philandering, especially remove the un-necessary flirting with his Dangal screen-daughter, edit out Vashmalle, perhaps even shorten Suraiya, etc.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:20 AM
Hahahaha by the time you edited like this you’ve sent them an empty film tape!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:24 AM
No, they may actually release a 2 hr edited version of this. May do the trick, who knows?
The cinematography and the swashbuckling bits are quite good … Aamir is lovable and laughable by hollywood standards at least if not by desi masala standards!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:09 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 4:25 AM
I request munna and satyam to make a separate thread for Master, Indian John, Bob Cristo, Bharath and other troll army who come here to troll only. Let them vent all their frustrations there.
They will make this thread 400 and again you have to close this permanently.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:32 AM
Surely!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:33 AM
LOL Sanjana you made my day here. But we have to take this bitter pill. It’s not nice to be a sore loser. Take the loss with pride.
You just said who is afraid of failure! Facing failure or adversity is the biggest and best challenge for any human being. Tough love is good. If it’s done with good intentions.
Nothing to crib about, every dog has its day! Master and co are cheering as they’ve waited for years for this Diwali gift. Let it be.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:39 AM
Every thread cannot become troll thread. There is a limit.
We have in Indian forums, frustration threads where one can frustrate as much as one wants.
Do we want endless sumit khadels and rohit jaiswals here?
We are also criticising. Not praising endlessly.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:51 AM
Even I know a bunch of newbies arrived for specific special once in a generation event. It’s their party! We are providing the ladoos (a joke from TOH). We are serving them now. They deserve it. They’ve watched Tubelight, Ra.1, HNY, Race 3 etc on their journeys.
I don’t think we should stand up. We should rub their feet and get them merry. Join in and be humble in defeat.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:19 PM
Sanjana LOLL.We are Jack of all trades but Master of none.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:28 AM
don’t think the chinese will be impressed by Indians’ cinematography and visuals! they can watch all that through stuff like Venom and Avengers, which they are so well fed-on!
Indian cinema works there only well it is backed by a good grounded story that can identify with. the academic culture, lower-middle class responsibilities and challenges etc are subjects they love watching. it’s the small relatable Indian films that have done well there. hindi medium, SS, Hichki etc.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:36 AM
The proof is in the pudding. Let it release and see the results. You are underestimating aamir’s influence in China. It is like Salman’s in India.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:39 AM
I felt cinematography is top-notch here! They have created a true fairy-land with forts and jungles and all that is supposedly exotic to foreign eyes about India. The Rajasthan bits just seals it.
I criticised the vfx shown in trailer, but didnt mind it during theater watching (cant say that about BB2). Yfx team surely did some work here after the trailer backlash.
We dont make much stuff like ‘flat’ masala, nor release it in China (specially with Aamir in a meaty role). So how do you know that the chinese wud mind a hollywoodized-bollywood film with indian setting?
BB2 was masala in its usual steroid mode. I always said it wont work in China (when it collected 1100 cr nett in India).
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November 12, 2018 at 4:43 AM
I’m with Tony Montana here! Sanity please!
Aamir fans are bleeding to death and we are going on an adventure trip to China! With one arm and one leg and no transport. Barefoot with no food & water! We are going for our burial in foreign lands!
Jokes aside I wish it all the best in China if it goes. It only changes the narrative if it does more than Dangal for me. $50-100mm is not going to change anything, that’s just greed or covering our bleeding with some plasters or tissue paper!
The pendulum swings if it can do super blockbuster business in China. It’s done pittance in every market so far. Is China some land so vastly different to any other country ever?
I’ll wait to hear aamirsaurabh’s thoughts, our resident Chinese expert before losing more hair here!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:46 AM
No, i dont think it can get anywhere near Dangal. 100m or SS like 118m would be a great result and the best case scenario IMO. We will know in january …
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November 12, 2018 at 4:47 AM
It will make more than 100 million and if it does not, I will start a personal blog on wordpress as a punishment!
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November 12, 2018 at 4:50 AM
I will be ur right-hand man in that adventure!
Jokes apart, i will be happy to take 75m in China! If it does 100m I will alone troll with blog more than what the army did here. Hehe …
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November 12, 2018 at 4:53 AM
Okay I can live with that. I hope you’re a billionaire! 😂
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November 12, 2018 at 12:23 PM
Dangal seems next to impossible but it can surely make around 50-60M$ unless negetivity is on par with India’s.100M$ I believe looks far fetched but it is possible with a good release period and an OK response.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:32 PM
China in some cases behave different than ROW.Few movies which have bombed everywhere else have worked in China eg-Warcraft,XXX,Pacific Rim and there r movies which have worked everywhere else but not in China like Black Panther.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:58 AM
https://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/reports-simmba-release-date-postponed-ranveer-singh-to-leave-free-space-for-shah-rukh-khans-zero
Was mentioning about this today morning..koimoi also carrying it now
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November 12, 2018 at 5:17 AM
If Zero will ends up highest grosser of the year we are doomed for life!
If you thought an Aamir Bachchan failure would be good for national baby blooming in India, a SRK success will be babies galore next year. India will be full of newborn shahrukh’s and gauri’s.
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November 12, 2018 at 6:27 AM
Simmba movement is not confirmed..its just trade talk..need to wait for the trailor to know the date
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November 12, 2018 at 5:13 AM
https://t.co/7mNP6lktBX?amp=1
Kedarnath trailor
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November 12, 2018 at 5:57 AM
TOH collects in the same range as JHMS on Sunday. Who would’ve guessed that? Damn.
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November 12, 2018 at 6:31 AM
I set a goal of 5Cr today – come on TOH you can do it! Maybe we can throw a party and pretend this is Week 4 of its run tomorrow.
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November 12, 2018 at 6:40 AM
Looks like 7 to 8 cr to me..
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November 12, 2018 at 6:50 AM
I’m with Marcus on the numbers. Nothing adds up if one looks at raw data.
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November 12, 2018 at 7:07 AM
If Munna has any FI data it will be better. Occupancy rates can be higher on Saturday and Sunday purely as a consequence of reduced shows. Raw collections would be best bet to resolve this. There were many reports of cancelled shows. Badhaai Ho collections have gone up a lot too.
I really haven’t followed each detail of what you and Marcus are attempting to show or the counter from Master/Krish.
It’s a damn shame Taran doesn’t give out centre collections because at least you can do some basic comparisons.
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November 12, 2018 at 7:15 AM
Today lower rates have come to play.also 15 percent show reduction..anyways time to bring on 2.0
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November 12, 2018 at 7:25 AM
There is data out there actually if you look.for.it…I think I did tell the estimate for each day based on limited data before boi did..I got day 1 wrong but got other days reasonably correct..i dont mean to boast but what I am saying is if a novice like me can do it Jay you can rock the party…
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November 12, 2018 at 7:41 AM
You should follow bollytrick…the guy now has a solid database of footfalls over last 2 years and also gives total estimates for the day..the representation from west is missing but overall a budding jayshah in the making
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November 12, 2018 at 7:43 AM
But where does he/she get the data from? What’s the source?
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November 12, 2018 at 7:53 AM
He said once he has access to the theatre data.i think he has access to 6 noida multiplexes and some multiplexes from other regions…representation from Mumbai was restricted..i didnt probe further..
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November 12, 2018 at 8:27 AM
So I had a quick look. Just at Race 3 numbers and I can easily find a few inconsistencies.
Till 7 PM (1st day) the footfalls are 8577 but the overall footfalls for the day are shown to be 13741.
Between 7 PM and the end of the day, 5164 tickets were sold — in 6 multiplexes. That’s close to a 100% occupancy for a wildly derided film. Does that even make sense? On the 2nd day, between 7PM and EOD it’s 5800 tickets sold!
The second day occupancy for Race 3 in Noida is higher than ToH’s first day!
Did all the muslims congregate in Noida to celebrate Eid by watching Bhai’s magnum opus?
And then it gets funnier. On Sunday the footfalls for Noida are lower by 8% but the All India total is higher by 1 Crore.
I call this complete BS. It’s just a bunch of fans supporting their own agenda.
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November 12, 2018 at 9:06 AM
Noida is one centre. Taran Adarsh had at least 20 every week. This type of stuff is even worse than 10 years ago. AI, data tools have taken over manufacturing industries and Indians are at the epicenter of data yet they can’t get basic theatrical business done.
Krish – thanks for the shout out. It has reminded me of yesteryear. But I think there is something deeply corrupted at the centre of this industry. While the world moves on, this industry goes back a few decades. It can only mean the people that matter want it this way. You’ve got scores of what I call pocket mining going on. Offshoot data centres when before you had Taran Adarsh giving out all data. People have created an industry out of this with little aim for accuracy or transparency, just to feed agendas. I was very sad when Taran Adarsh gave up giving out numbers. I enjoyed doing box office columns out of a box from a foreign country! That last sentence says a lot – that anyone can set this up and it’s very easy to rip apart as Saket has just done. Even my stuff was easy to blow potholes into but my aim was for transparency, accuracy was accounted via a range. Nothing more. Plus I have an opposing outlook on how a film is judged. For example if TOH found a way to 200Cr it would be breakeven potentially but I’d call it a flop. I’ve gone through trending many times so not again.
I can’t find any of my columns online anymore, what a shame.
Occupancy and selective multiplex screens is just very basic data. That you are accurate on this is good going. Defining accurate is the key though.
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November 12, 2018 at 9:32 AM
Saket the race3 producer Total of day 3 was indeed inflated..I think this was called out by many when it released..the second way of race 3 was a big national holiday..that can explain why it was more busy in the night..race 3 was running 194 shows due to shorter length whereas toh was running 177 shows due to longer length..one of reason toh day 1 was under scanner was precisely due to the fact that multiplex footfall was similar to many other movies like sanju etc but still total was way higher..race 3 I know is a supremely poor movie but it did run riot on day 2 for whatever reason..well raone did same on day 2 because it was diwali so it’s not an unheard phenomenon of a derided movie to run riot on day 2 just because it’s a big holiday..
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November 12, 2018 at 9:35 AM
Its unfortunate taran stopped his centre wise data surely..we all lose out on your analysis too..I think the only site which used to give centre wise data till recently was boxofficeindia.co.in..not BOI but the other one
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November 12, 2018 at 9:43 AM
There is always film information if it still exists.
And whatever I was doing was very simple and easy.
Today one should be capable of doing a lot more with that data. Even the most simplest of tools like Excel has moved on leaps and bounds. All these qlikview, teradata and god knows what else is out there. I was doing 7 year old maths and spitting out columns. Now you could probably write some code to do the numbers and writing! What took me 2-3 hours is a 10 mins job today.
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November 12, 2018 at 9:38 AM
I meant to say due to day 2 being holiday day 1 night shows were more busy than the rest of the day..these are also high end multiplexes which will not be front loaded during the day
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November 12, 2018 at 9:43 AM
Saket ome correction that number of show in day I.mentioned was for tzh not race 3 but toh had lesser shows due to longer running time than many other movies
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November 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM
Jay – BO in india is screwed up bigtime. Data is closely guarded to make any detailed analysis impossible. Everyone uses the lack of transparency for their own gains. For toh, i think yrf may have over-reported day one by around 2-3 cr to touch 50 cr mark for media publicity. At the same time the daywise fall is also being over-reported to somehow account for the negativity, part of which may be a paid propaganda campaign from rival camps. The extent of nonsense is quite alarming. Specially when u compare all this with china’s bo tracking mechanisms.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:17 AM
This implies both Taran and BOI stopped using YRF figures from day 2 onwards and are corroborating with others? That sounds very farfetched to me.
For me;
Day 1 – YRF, BOI and Taran all had same numbers. BOI used producers (for whatever copout reason, Taran always does)
Day 1 overnight and day 2. Trade uproar that numbers are fake. YRF asked to correct
Day 2 onwards – occupancy data won’t corroborate with official collections as official collections are being deflated to compensate and correct Day 1 inflated numbers. So these bollytricky, addatoday are useless as there occupancy %’s will predict a higher number but YRF are handcuffed to correct there inflated Day 1.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM
I’ve written before how during Kaabil/Raees clash that both cheated.
But also Hrithik Roshan films are being reduced *more* by BOI. Addatoday, Bollywoodarena & indicine at the time all had there own set of trade data that suggested this. They suggested that Filmkraft overreported but their own collections were still tracking above BOI which suggested that their own numbers were ‘middleground’ the average of the deflated BOI one and inflated Filmkraft one.
Further I’ve always said Hrithik, Akshay’s, Devgnn’s films are underreported by BOI compared to producer totals. The ‘margin’ that Master & Krish claim exists say 5% is much more wider for these actors than Salman, Aamir & SRK.
Anyone just look at producer (Taran’s tweets) Vs BOI for quick and dirty comparison. I’m talking say last 5 years or more. Maybe recently it’s been better. That I’m not vocal all the time is because I will bore the living daylights out of the blog with all my observations. And the Kaabil one was very official by those sites – they ran with their own numbers on that basis. As it was ‘moral’. For me moral is stick to your own numbers always or just go with producer. This cherry picking BOI did this time and smaller satellite sites do – I ask why? Are they paid to use producer numbers? Or do they not even trust their own data? It’s a freaking mess.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:37 AM
Dont yrf has provided official figures after day 2. Boi and taran are all in auto-correction mode since then. So there is a gap with occupancy data (whats out there).
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November 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM
All the figures used are given by yrf..taran has no other source in any case..the same number you will find in every source..whether inflated or not the numbers are from.yrf..they havent stopped sending the numbers.. the numbers are sent by SMS around noon to every trade outlet and analyst…that’s why the number quoted by everyone right from.girish to taran to addatoday and indicine earlier used to match to.last decimal..this is pretty standard trade practice..and yrf send numbers for.every movie of theirs whether it does.well.or.not….the numbers will stop coming once they trickle Down..
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November 12, 2018 at 10:49 AM
My last comment on numbers..Jay this is in response to your day1 day 2 post..why do you think yrf deflated their numbers on day 2 to autocorrect..there is nothing to support this argument..addatoday day 2 number estimate was 28 to 29..bollytrick was 26..every trade analyst and the distributors data was varying from 22 to 27.. yrf went with 28..similar thing happened on day 3…when we can go with bollytrick or addatoday footfall or occupancy data to float a theory of deflation one must also see the final estimate they arrive at..all 4 days final estimate of sources have been consistently lesser than yrf actual.. so I dont buy this deflation at all..yrf are sending numbers even for telugu and Tamil versions daily…again I dont think yrf has inflated day 2 day 3 day 4 purely bcos I arrived at those numbers myself even before boi gave their estimates..it wasn’t too hard to get that..yes the margin of error will be there..day 1 number could be inflated but that doesnt mean they have deflated later
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November 12, 2018 at 11:11 AM
The simple argument is how did BOI get from 32-34 Cr to 28 Cr in the space of hours? If you can do this simple analysis, ask yourself why you need BOI?
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November 12, 2018 at 11:20 AM
Besides it’s a theory and I haven’t checked the occupancies. I was only saying to Saket and Marcus that if occupancies are more stable than producer numbers are suggesting it could be because of corrections. You are countering this by saying occupancies actually validate the producer numbers from day 2.
You are saying the opposite to Saket/Marcus. I’m blindly just theorising what ‘could’ be happening to Saket/Marcus.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:53 AM
And that will be final comment on toh numbers ..I dont have anything more to say.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:30 AM
Yeah fair enough..all I was saying if you take footfall or occupancy from a site and these are mostly just samples from few theatre better to use their totals itself…
on boi I dont know how they arrived at 34 when at same time everyone had it much lesser…every single trade analyst was saying 22 to 28 range..i thought they will correct it and they did it..it was gross overestimation..or an attempt at inflation..whatever it is glad they corrected it…anyways as you said no more flogging a dead horse..let’s wait for 2.0..
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November 12, 2018 at 7:14 AM
Nothing succeeds like success. And nothing fails like failure. TOH is a monumental disaster at the domestic BO & even a 160 cr lifetime number is doubtful now. Have said this before, AK has enough acumen & resources to make films on his own as per his vision or work with better film makers than the likes of Viktor & Aditya Chopra.
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November 12, 2018 at 8:13 AM
Sarkar reaches 200Cr+ Gross(incl dub) in kollywood
200 Cr + South Indian Films till now
Endhiran, I, bahubali, bahubali2, kabali, mersal, rangasthalam and now sarkar
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November 12, 2018 at 8:15 AM
Needs 240cr gross worldwide to be a clean hit..a cakewalk now..
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November 12, 2018 at 8:23 AM
Amul Vikas Mohan
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Please don’t believe in baseless hearsay… #Simmba is releasing on schedule across the world on December 28th 2018 with no change in plans. #RohitShetty has confirmed the same to me just moments ago.
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#SaraAliKhan
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November 12, 2018 at 9:04 AM
“I request munna and satyam to make a separate thread for Master, Indian John, Bob Cristo, Bharath and other troll army who come here to troll only.”
So Bhakts of Aamir want separate thread for us. From where you get this hypocrisy ? You,the chamcha ‘s of Aamir’s are doing it day in and day out since a decade.Trolling every single actor and worshiping Aamir.Now after a long time you are getting a taste of ur own medicine so much pain in the a$$. This is the beauty of karma. What goes around comes around. You,Aamirians, think it is ur birth right to make fun of other and your god should left untouched. Ha.ha.ha. it doesn’t go like this. Karma haunts you. Cry baby cry. Is it our fault that your god did a crap film. Don’t get angry with us. It is a public forum. If you want to worship Aamir make a private blog, clan or sect, and do his aarti there 24×7. If you can’t face the heat just stay out of the kitchen.
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November 12, 2018 at 9:14 AM
Fully agree with this comment
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November 12, 2018 at 10:15 AM
Another new one!
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November 12, 2018 at 9:41 AM
Bobby, but this is indeed a private blog!
Hum sab mahmaan hain yahaan.
Satyam ki izzat-afzayi ka lutf le rahe hain.
Savdhaan, kaheen Shivam ki teesri aankh ka prakop na lage, saara Sundaram nasht ho jayega.
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November 12, 2018 at 9:41 AM
Toh is a colossal flop. Fine! However, celebrating its failure will not make sallu or srk’s films any better than what they are. Its that simple. You bakwaas stars are not getting any better by your gleeful celebrations. Aamir will remain a league apart.
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November 12, 2018 at 9:48 AM
Lmao Aamir just gave the biggest disaster all you fans need to understand aamir ain’t no god, be humble and move on things happen
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November 12, 2018 at 9:50 AM
Irony is we have all moved on. So has Aamir with MB. Its the trolls who cant move on. Look at your own comments …
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November 12, 2018 at 10:10 AM
Marcus it’s karma just like how you like to troll srk and his fans for failures in some of your posts just be ready for you to be trolled the same way now, what goes around comes around, nothing personal
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November 12, 2018 at 10:12 AM
Btw I respect aamir and I know he will bounce back, just need to go back to what he knows best, stay away from YRF
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November 12, 2018 at 10:18 AM
It will be an honour for you people to have a dedicated thread!
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November 12, 2018 at 9:59 AM
Toh has crashed today will be collecting between 6-7 crore as per addatoday
https://www.addatoday.com/2018/11/thugs-of-hindostan-5th-day-monday.html?m=1
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November 12, 2018 at 10:14 AM
I guess going forward there should be a separate thread for aamir fans too where they can go and trash all other stars and their movies like they normally do (go to any thread for reference), just to be fair to aamir fans. Why should only non-amir fans have this special separate thread?
Myselfaamir has said it best, some of this is aamir fans own doing. you can’t keep throwing sh!t all over at everyone else and not expect it to comeback to you at some point.
As far as trolling is concerned, once again, i challange everyone here to go to any thread and see who does most of the trolling/spamming. Stop pretending like aamir fans are holy, honest, noble, etc… they’re in fact usually just the opposite. (at least most of them, well a lot on this site are not even aamir fans. they’re just hiding behind aamir and using aamir success to degrade other stars)
I usually come here and generally make comments about old movies and masala movies topic so if there was a thread just for that, I wouldn’t mind it and i would just live there.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:16 AM
And by the way, no one needs to worry about aamir. He is a smart man and will bounce back from TOH debacle in no time.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:22 AM
Nor do we live in glass houses like these trolls. Its their silly imagination that they can break anything with their stones. But its not the other way round …
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November 12, 2018 at 10:27 AM
When i have the ability to build my house i can build another if one catches fire. Street-dwellers can cheer the fire but cant build a house of their own. Its not about lack of money, just lack of ability. Get it, mr grand old man of ss?
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November 12, 2018 at 11:12 AM
“When i have the ability to build my house i can build another if one catches fire.”
Sure, but for now you’re in mamas basement 🙂
I see the teenage trolling comments are kicking i so i’m glad i’m getting to your nerve which is very easy to do. others have complained about your abusive comments as well but i guess you can’t accept much from someone living in mamas basement. 🙂
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November 12, 2018 at 11:17 AM
“Sure, but for now you’re in mamas basement 🙂”
Ouch!!
There’s an offer for Zandu balm going 1 + 1 free!! Someone should grab it soon!
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November 12, 2018 at 11:27 AM
You went from predicting 500 cr for TOH to now saying 100m in China. Dude do write a comedy movie for the next Amir film. I can see it doing wonders.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:35 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 10:36 AM
So the very few big budget Bollywood hits this year – Sanju, Baaghi 2 and Padmaavat – have been lead by the new generation of actors while the real super hits have been small films like Raazi, Badhai Ho, Andhadhun and Stree. Similarly, the new audience in China also seems to prefer strong human interest stories like Dangal, Hitchki and Secret Superstar. Interesting times ahead for Bollywood and I’m glad to see the tide tilting in the favour of well made cinema instead of big name-backed rubbish.
I hope the tacky, gimmicky looking Zero also tanks so that the A-listers are finally forced to concentrate on scripts and good direction and not just rely on casting the increasingly haggard Khans as romantic heroes opposite glamorous, gorgeous actresses.
The advent of streaming services is a big game changer for the Indian multiplex audience that Bollywood increasingly relies on. Earlier, I would go to the cinema to see Indian films more frequently since quality content was so hard to find in India and the theatres rarely screen good films from other countries (even with Hollywood, only the blandest blockbusters come to our multiplexes). But now, we have turned one room at home into a small screening room of sorts and prefer to watch films, documentaries and TV shows from around the world on Netflix and Amazon Prime without heading to the theatre for sub-par big budget Bollywood films.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM
Having said, there will always a thirst for films that showcase relatable experiences and aspirational dreams that are culturally unique to us. That’s why South Indian films seem to be far more profitable these days. Many of the recent hits like Sarkar and NOTA, for instance, tap into the deep-seated angst of the Tamil Nadu population about the political paralysis and hopelessness that has set in after Jayalalithaa’s death.
I feel that even if Bollywood has moved away from mass-oriented content it can still greatly increase its appeal by making cinema that caters to the rapidly growing millennial and middle class audiences.
For instance, Veere Di Wedding could have been a much bigger breakout hit amongst women (akin to Bridesmaids in the USA) if it had been about a group of more relatable upper-middle class girlfriends and if it had satirised patriarchal Indian middle class morality/ hypocrisy instead of being a film about four obscenely rich women who live obnoxiously spoilt lives and move in a very rarefied social circle that is free of the taboos that stifle most young Indian women. So many of my female friends really want to see films with contemporary, millennial Indian heroines who are more relatable, flawed and real than the Suriayyas or Simrans of Bollywood but Veere simply didn’t provide that.
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November 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 10:45 AM
To NyKavi mahoday and all now ToH is done and dusted this is my last comment on ToH
जो आज साहिब-ए-मसनद हैं वो कल नहीं होंगे
किराएदार हैं जाती मकान थोड़ी है
तुमसे पहले जो यहां तख्तानाशी था
उसे भी अपने ख़ुदा होने का इतना ही यकीं था।
Courtesy – Rahat indori
So pls all of you Aamir fans remember it don’t make fun of every actor. Don’t look down everyone. I am repeating it again atleast admit it. It is Akshay kumar who made and is making most sensible and diverse film. Just look Aamir’s fan reaction on Akshay. Give respect to others also. Sayonara as of now. Will meet on 2.0 thread.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:04 AM
To be honest, I kind of feared this
Conspiracy behind the TOH hate campaign
https://www.gyandarbar.com/details-conspiracy-running-behind-hate-campaign-thugs-hindostan.html
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November 12, 2018 at 11:25 AM
Honestly, Amir fans are funnier than TOH. The film is a DISASTER in every country release except China lol.
Every big film which flops is mauled by the majority especially social media. Just take the L and move on.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM
I’m a naysayer on this. I think this is the way things work nowadays. News travels in an instant. The Twitter feed for TOH was negative from the first show. I don’t rule out ‘some’ insincere views. But the critics of India even if they rated this with 4 stars – I doubt it would help too much. If anything it might piss off the audience more. 2/5 is about fair IMHO. The Twitter stuff or WhatsApp stuff is more likely to change opinions. AnJo’s explained that so well. It’s easy to abuse a film behind a phone or laptop. But your credibility is on the line in person.
I haven’t recommended this film to anyone. My only request was to Satyam to watch it AFTER AnJo, Rocky and NyKavi reviews. Because if this film has deeper meaning for a generation of Bachchan fans I don’t want to be the one that said it’s not worth it.
Just yesterday my sister said reviews from India are that TOH is rubbish. She said what do they know it’s an Aamir film. This is Aamir’s status IMO, expectations are very high. She’ll not like the film I’m sure.
Him writing that Twitter letter before release is a good sign. Felt like he knew this would flop so that is good that he can still determine this. And it felt like he was thanking VKA and Aditya for last time knowing deep down he’s not going down this road again with them – a definite IMO.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:10 AM
There’s no reason to comment anymore. This I don’t wanna do. The horse is dead!
https://imgur.com/gallery/WTDnnwE
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November 12, 2018 at 11:11 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 11:55 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM
pic look sick master. request you to plz remove it.. animal torture wali feeling aarahi hai🙏
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November 12, 2018 at 12:14 PM
Master completely lost it!
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November 12, 2018 at 12:35 PM
That’s a saying Amit. Not to beat dead horse. That gif of that quote, it’s not real horse. So relax.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:42 PM
Flog a dead horse. And beat a dog when it’s down…
I got the joke and agree
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November 12, 2018 at 12:50 PM
It is a sick joke as far as animals are concerned. Already there is so much violence against animals. In Hyderabad some morons burnt alive four puppies in front of their mother. Sometime back an educated person threw a dog from a high rise.
And another moron stuck a sutli bomb in the mouth of a 3 year old girl and it exploded.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:13 AM
This is true. TOH is a dead horse.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM
Who selected that dirty Aamir posted for this thread in British attire with that smile?
This should have been the poster for this thread!
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November 12, 2018 at 12:10 PM
srk fan eating TOH banana
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November 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM
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November 12, 2018 at 11:49 AM
cant help but laugh at some of the SRK fans here who are on a loop saying this is karma, as if to underline this point again and again
Like seriously? Ohh dear..
Let’s see how much Zero grosses! I might have a hunch it might end below TOH’s final total.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:55 AM
It could very well fall way below TOH total collection, but we all thought that anyway before TOH released, no?
I wouldn’t be surprised the way this year has been going.
Althou, Zero is the first SRK movie trailer in a long time.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:03 PM
The more pertanant question is where have they been hiding for so long?
Anyway I’m glad they are back. It proves a lot that they are back NOW of all times and not a MONTH AGO when we were discussing SRK films!
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November 12, 2018 at 12:28 PM
Just see z’s response. To him temporary shelter in mama’s basement is more embarrassing than living permanently in gutters! The mentality speaks for itself …
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November 12, 2018 at 12:31 PM
In fact thats how defends his inability of building his own house. Pathetic is the word. Disgusting is another.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:54 PM
lol, let me know when you’re out of mamas basement and become something in life.
God has given me a lot in life, perhaps more than I need. So whatever you say makes no difference.
I guess you’re such a rude miserable child that you can’t even understand what you write. People who are living in gutter is not because they want to, life didn’t give them the oppurtunity hence they’re there. Don’t ever talk down to or bad about those people. God works in mysterious ways.
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November 12, 2018 at 12:44 PM
so what are the Monday nos?
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November 12, 2018 at 12:50 PM
If Zero ends up a lower grosser than TOH then the SRK – Aamir contest will be like this adult-toddler contest. The adult bowls an underarm to the toddler to let him hit the winning shot for once but the toddler still misses it completely.
beware srk fans! karma works both ways. 😛
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November 12, 2018 at 12:56 PM
Oh man, even aamir fans are talking about “karma” now. The power of TOH debacle 🙂
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November 12, 2018 at 12:58 PM
I think tony is neutral. Fan of good cinema.
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November 12, 2018 at 1:56 PM
Precisely!
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November 12, 2018 at 2:08 PM
Z not everyone here is an Aamir fan. Tony Montana bought the glasses and sweater of Raj Aryan back in 2000 after Mohabbatein 👍
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November 12, 2018 at 10:39 PM
ROFL, I know many who did. I did try to copy SRK hairstyle many a time unsuccessfully, but the closest I ever got to emulating a star was keeping the DCH goatee!
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November 12, 2018 at 2:14 PM
Always thought the best SRK fan by a distant mile is Henry. A model gentleman. There was a chap on NG who I liked to hate (like love hate relationship), Sameer.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:58 PM
How I wish I can mix that 2 words in a sentence ‘best’ ‘Aamir fan’ but alas that doesn’t exist!
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November 12, 2018 at 3:02 PM
That’s the great thing about a SRK fan – not knowing the difference between 2 and 3.
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November 12, 2018 at 3:08 PM
Yeah my English is not as good as my chinese (mandarin).
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November 12, 2018 at 1:08 PM
Qalandar and Satyam have been unusually silent.
As a fan of Thanos, I find that upsetting.
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November 12, 2018 at 1:53 PM
haven’t seen Thugs, nothing to say! I did put up a couple of long comments on Aamir yesterday.
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November 12, 2018 at 3:29 PM
**haven’t seen Thugs, nothing to say! **
I think you want to have double the fun and are planning to watch it with Master and Z…
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November 12, 2018 at 4:27 PM
I would love to watch Suhaag, Don, Naseeb, Muqdaar Ka Sikandar and many others in theatre with Satyam.
I wish they would bring old movies to screen on USA. Maybe just couple shows for the weekend. I think many people would have a blast watching these movies.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:37 PM
Yes watching on the big-screen the old ones would be fun for sure. But I don’t think they would even have proper prints for these films: So not sure how it would work. [Except maybe some Indian groups could hire a hall and project it from DVDs.? ] Plus who would come to watch old Hindi movies in theaters?
When it comes to Hollywood movies, I know here in DC — maybe everywhere I think– CINEMARK EGYPTIAN has a few shows reserved for classics. I have watched a couple of Hitchcock’s and James Stewart’s movies in this series. Needless to say, the shows had only 5-6 folks.
https://www.cinemark.com/cinemark-classic-series
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November 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
Here it is; a classic example of how it’s different strokes for different folks – and also to think about what this could mean with a release in China…
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If Thugs is diverting, it’s largely because writer-director Vijay Krishna Acharya is far more interested in the pirate life than those Disney knockabouts. We get tactical sea battles, plenty of cove action, swordfights choreographed like dance numbers, even a fiery 19th-century South Asian equivalent of a Norse burial. This is a film with money to burn, and it unabashedly torches each rupee before your eyes. Granted, it gets less irreverent as it goes on, and in terms of historical accuracy, it can be placed alongside those bank holiday staples Titanic and Muppet Treasure Island. Yet it has that rare and unmistakable look of an event movie that was huge fun to assemble. Whether you’re watching in Hindi, Tamil or Telugu – or reliant on English subtitles – much of that enjoyment does translate.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/09/thugs-of-hindostan-review-bollywood-big-budget-swashbuckler-disney-pirates
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November 12, 2018 at 1:23 PM
And this is VARIETY…
Evidencing a formidable vitality that belies his age, 76-year-old Amitabh Bachchan (with, no doubt, some assistance from stunt doubles) cuts a bold yet dignified swath through the proceedings, providing just enough gravitas and moral authority to help anchor “Thugs of Hindostan” in something resembling seriousness whenever it threatens to spin entirely out of control.
Acharya pushes it up to 11 throughout extended clashes on land and sea, in burning buildings and royal palaces. (Yes, it’s worth the ticket mark-up to see all the action on an IMAX screen.) Rest assured, he sporadically falls back on the visual cliché of slo-mo photography as embellishment for mano-a-mano clashes and army-versus-army smackdowns. But “Thugs of Hindostan” seldom slows down for very long. Although it clocks in 164 minutes, it feels much brisker than that. Much brisker, really, than some of the movies that inspired Acharya before he set sail with this one.
https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/thugs-of-hindostan-review-1203025257/
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November 12, 2018 at 1:35 PM
This was a little the case with Mangal Pandey too. International reviews being better than Indian ones.
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November 12, 2018 at 1:50 PM
great read, thanks for posting..
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November 12, 2018 at 2:05 PM
It’ll be funny if Zero does less then TOH? then it would be that the much trashed movie Race would be better then TOH which would be better than Zero
Race > TOH > Zero
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November 12, 2018 at 2:23 PM
http://m.tmz.com/#!2018/11/12/stan-lee-dead-dies-marvel-comics/
Stan Lee dies
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November 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM
This guy’s legacy is huge. RIP to one of the most creative people ever!
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November 12, 2018 at 2:44 PM
WOW, RIP and thank you for giving us super heroes.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:56 PM
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November 12, 2018 at 3:33 PM
Huge news!
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November 12, 2018 at 10:42 PM
this is huge! He deserves a biopic as much if not more than anyone else
RIP
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November 12, 2018 at 2:46 PM
Thugs Of Hindostan has taken a huge hit on Monday with collections of 5-5.25 crore nett.
The writing was on the wall with what happened on Saturday and Sunday with a clash being inevitable and that is what has happened.
This takes the business of the film to around 122.50 crore nett in five days and the first week will be looking at a total of 135 crore nett. The downfall is all over as even UP and Gujarat fall heavily on Monday despite the latter being on the last day of its Diwali holiday.
The film will continue to suffer over the next few days and also in the second week when business could be next to nothing and it could stay below the 150 crore nett mark which actually should have been covered in the extended weekend even if the film was just decent. Its a huge setback to the industry as its the big ones that have to score big to have a big year.
https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=4432
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November 12, 2018 at 2:52 PM
Amazing, this is a 90% fall from the first day collection.
Imagine if there was a competition too.
I think it will still collect okay at lower end since there’s really nothing coming out this Friday or the Friday after it.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:53 PM
Badhaai Ho will take over before end of this week.
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November 12, 2018 at 2:57 PM
No, people are busy on weekdays. WOM has changed now and let weekend come and there will be jump and it can still chase 400 crores.
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November 12, 2018 at 3:27 PM
Finally.. I’m done for now. To be honest, I knew that TOH was gonna flop right after Thu morning show (which is Wed night in US) but I didn’t care to post. Then there was 1st day and all negativity on social media. I saw the reviews and memes and everything still ignored. Then Thursday night I saw some reviews on SS and then reading them. Then got up Friday morning and all the discussion about collection manipulation and how some Aamir fans making fun of others saying they don’t understand boxoffice or anything about WOM and so on. Then I started posting on the forum on my Friday late morning/noon.
So, its basically 2 days completed in India and all the WOM was out and it was gone case but how some people were behaving on here, it was stupid and silly. So, when I started posting that’s being referred as trolling and what others were doing before that is not? Lol. If I had to troll and burn Aamir fans for the film’s flopping I would have started posting the negative reviews and memes from Wed night itself. Isn’t it? Even later what I posted are about the collection but not directly reviews (except Rangan’s).
Also, I don’t think people realize that all the comments would have not crossed so much if everyone accepted that its misfire. But they kept debating so much and others responding the comments grew. If there was no resistance, it would have done in a day and I don’t think I would have even posted on here. So, once all the claims are proven wrong as there was no stable collections and it turned out to be huge disaster, then next target is to blame Srk/Salman fans. I think without blaming anyone you can’t accept the defeat.
Either ways, this topic is done. See you guys soon; maybe during 2.0 or Zero or maybe not! 🙂
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November 12, 2018 at 3:54 PM
Come back soon.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:00 PM
With more gifs.
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November 12, 2018 at 7:44 PM
So the Master and his army quits … Kurukshetra ran for 18 days. These guyz cant even sustain 4 days. Anyways, here is their ‘skore’-card (its actually flooding india as a result of it!).
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November 12, 2018 at 4:02 PM
Exposing the lies of Race 3 Box Office. This is for Krish and anyone else who’s a BOI fan.
All data has been collected from @BoxotopView, for all the major metros: Delhi-NCR, Bombay, Pune, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Kolkata & Ahmedabad
Day 1 Total (%occupancy X #of Shows) = 1360.39
Day 2 Total (%occupancy X #of Shows) = 1650.69 (21.33% increase from Day 1)
Day 3 Total (%occupancy X #of Shows) = 1609.82 (18.33% increase from Day 1)
Numbers quoted by Producers & BOI:
28 Crore (Day 1)
37 Crore (Day 2; 32% increase)
38 Crore (Day 3; 35.7% increase)
I have an excel sheet with all the data, in case anyone is interested.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:04 PM
I have assumed the same ticket price as I didn’t have price info, and this assumption isn’t a bad one — at least for the Metros, where things are relatively the same.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM
Unless you know the exact # of shows and the exact # of tickets sold and the price for each one of those tickets, you’ll never get a good total.
Badhai Ho can be 100% occupancy but if the # of shows is just 500 and TOH can be 50% but if the number of shows is 5,000; TOH will have more collection eventhou it’s at 50%.
Badhai Ho and TOH can both have 500 shows and both be at 100%, but based on the ticket price, one can be higher than the other.
And so on, there are so many variables.
Unless your Excel has # of tickets sold and a price sold at, you can’t come to any type of conclusion.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:57 PM
Question for you Z. I don’t think anyone has this. So how does BOI or anyone for that matter arrive at a figure?
So yes with all the information you said you need it’s very easy. But it’s clearly not available.
This is really the next best option.
That Sunday is sliding in each major city and prices are static, late night Sunday shows relative to Saturday will be less – most of this suggests Sunday can’t be higher than Saturday.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:59 PM
I have the exact number of shows and the % occupancy, which amounts to # of tickets sold. This data is quite comprehensive.
I have also used data only from the big Metros where the price differential is going to be minimal, if any. This is not a bad assumption to make.
I don’t mind adding another column for the ticket price as well, provided I know what the average ticket rates in all the major metros are. If someone can provide me with that data, I’ll be more than happy.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:31 PM
And based on the data for ToH, it’s first day comes out at around 48.84 Crores. This includes a 10% price inflation and a 28 crore 1st day total for Race 3.
In other words, if Race 3’s 1st day total is 28 crores then ToH can’t be less than 48 crores!
So another myth busted.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:42 PM
The producer day 1 for Race 3 is 28.5 Cr.
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movie/race-3/box-office/
Which I guess pushes TOH at 50Cr.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:38 PM
Day 3 seems very dubious. Collections go up despite lower footfalls.
Is there a way to throw in some smaller centres with minimal effort? Or some strong Salman centric centres (is it Rajasthan where he’s quite strong?).
He’s probably one star where you need to present beyond the multiplexes to represent this no?
No doubting the data at all, I’m sure it’s correct.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:45 PM
Hyderabad is the strongest. Nothing else comes close and that didn’t move that much, if at all.
For same # of shows, percentage occupancy in Hyderabad dropped from 84 to 74.4 in night shows (7 PM to 11 PM;From Sat to Sun).
It was up slightly from 75 to 77.5 in afternoon shows and went down from 79 to 78 in morning shows.
And this is his strongest centre. All the others went down much more from Saturday to Sunday. Delhi went from 56 to 43; Bombay from 58.5 to 42 during night shows.
There’s no way the collections went up from Saturday to Sunday.
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November 12, 2018 at 4:59 PM
What ticket price increase is needed to make the numbers match BOI? @Saket
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November 12, 2018 at 5:01 PM
ticket price increase for which film? Race 3?
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November 12, 2018 at 5:02 PM
Yes. For Sunday to be above Saturday what increase in price is needed?
You have a 2% approximate decrease in FF from sat to sun and 3% increase in collections – this can only come from a price increase right. Which is simply unlikely.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:09 PM
8.4% increase from Saturday’s ticket prices.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:18 PM
So basically in the context of your model, Race 3 Sunday is only legitimate if it’s ticket prices go to near TOH level over a one day swing. Yay that’s never going to happen.
The gap can only be mass centres where Salman is big. With declining WOM, declining FF’s in multiplexes, little to no chance of increase in ticket prices over one day – the only factor that changes the result is the mass centres.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:35 PM
Yes but the mass centers also have lower ticket prices — a factor of 2x or 3x lower.
It would require a very significant upswing to change Sunday’s collections.
There is data for Tier 1/2 cities as well. I will crunch those numbers tomorrow.
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November 12, 2018 at 5:39 PM
Jay – We possibly can have someone subscribe Film information with one of our Indian commentators; they can scan the weekly collection page and send it to you?
ps – But it may be stale in sense that now figures comes daily; it will only validate weekly totals.
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November 12, 2018 at 6:02 PM
Besides TOH has also been playing in IMAX & 2D4DX format with exorbitant prices in the metros ranging from INR 600 to 2000, which could also be a factor in the overall collections.
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November 12, 2018 at 8:03 PM
That race 3 day 3 is inflated I think we all agreed when race 3 released itself..maybe saket missed that whole thread of race 3..
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November 12, 2018 at 8:15 PM
I vaguely remember having this.discussoon as trade analyst were all accusing race 3 of inflation and I remember there was some discussion similar to what we did for toh now
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November 12, 2018 at 9:33 PM
I also think boi numbers of race 3 for first weekend were 6 cr less than producer so boi were.not going with producer number and they had accounted for the fall on Sunday probably..I think their number was 100 and producers were at 106
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November 12, 2018 at 10:12 PM
Another point I always say is never break too much sweat if manipulation is less than an agreeable percentage..I am sure race 3 could have dropped on day 3 by 10 percent but 10 percent of the total on day 3 is like 3 cr..so its not a major number in any case..in final analysis race 3 no of boi were 10 to 15 cr less than producers..the only thing I debated on race 3 here was that the fibal total is around 155 to 160 and not 130 cr as against the producer no of 170 plus..saket your analysis is spot on with whatever data you have
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November 12, 2018 at 5:58 PM
SMH… what a disastrous turn of events for ToH. Lifetime going to be less than what generally was expected from extended weekend.
Here I was worrying that 2.0 might eat into ToH’s fourth week business…. this might not even be in theater beyond week 3.
China – Save us!
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November 12, 2018 at 7:48 PM
Its folding up at 150 cr or less. Wont run beyond this week …
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November 12, 2018 at 10:46 PM
Ironical considering Yash Raj came up with that detailed note for exhibitors asking them to raise prices. it has come back to them and how!
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November 12, 2018 at 10:47 PM
not such a good Diwali for Delhiites like me. Pollution on roads, TOH in theatres
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November 12, 2018 at 10:48 PM
Rare Failure for Aamir Khan after MP since 2005. I guess he missed on the script and put too much trust onto VKA. This wasnt Dhoom Franchise to save itself. I havent seen the movie so will know more once i watch this weekend.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:42 PM
I know TOH debacle is a pain in the $$$ for Aamir and his fans. But you don’t blame it on whoever comments here as trolls. That shows your state of mind which is pathetic. You have to blame Aamir for doing a crap of a movie and dumping it on audience. I commented when Salman and Sharukh were in gutter when they did crappy movies. Aamir fans must accept the reality and move on. I can only pity your state of mind and wish for your speedy recovery.
As for as commenting goes, I have the privilege to comment on movies of importance and that makes a difference. I don’t have much time as others to comment everyday on every subject.
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November 12, 2018 at 11:44 PM
Watched a 9pm show of Thugs in Chicago on Saturday. It was at one of the bigger screens in the AMC theater, but there were hardly 25 people in the theater, which was shocking! They showed the Zero trailer before the movie, and it received a very positive response – cheers and whistles from the small audience, and the right reactions at the right scenes
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. Went with a group of 5, and we all had seen the terrible reviews it had gotten, so maybe our expectations were lower. But after watching it, we all agreed that it didn’t deserve such a beating. I can totally understand bad reviews, but these reviews seem cruel.
***Mild Spoilers***
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The story was decent – pretty basic stuff. The twists were good but then became pretty predictable. The British villains did a good job, however there was some unintentional comedy because they spoke to each other in Hindi! It made no sense. It wasn’t consistent either. Big B was as always such a screen presences, and Aamir did a fun job. Really enjoyed the scenes between the two of them, however it would have been more enjoyable if Aamir had done this in the early 2000’s like SRK did (from an age perspective). He was extremely entertaining. But he was like a 75% anti-hero, who wasn’t redeemed until into the second half. Perhaps this is a reason people didn’t like the movie. Also, he had a couple of borderline creepy scenes with Fatima, where he’s trying to flirt with her. Not needed!
Also, the film had NOTHING to do with thugs at all. There are some thugs shown in the first 15 minutes and I thought that was a very interesting build up, but then that ended fast. Also, the Patriotism scenes didn’t come early enough – not until the second half, so when it does, it doesn’t have the same impact. None of the characters are fully developed besides Aamir’s. There were some Baahubali influences for sure, such as the forest scenes and really Bachchan’s character. He was essentially a Kattapa like figure. The problem here is though that it isn’t shown/explained why Big B is so attached to Fatima’s character. Imagine a whole movie on Kattapa protecting Baahubali’s son, without ever showing the relationship between Kattapa and Father Baahubali.
The female characters are CRIMINALLY underdeveloped. It was almost insulting at how little screen time Katrina had. I actually counted – she had 18 minutes, 40 seconds of screen time. 1 scene leading up to a song in the first half, and in the second – another scene leading up to a song plus a final scene. Fatima and Big B don’t really get any dialogues until the after the first hour. Fatima also did poorly in her dialogue scenes.
Songs were 2/3. Surraiya was good but Aamir was sort of a disaster in it. Vashmalle was amazing. The third song was not memorable. People in the audience were laughing at Katrina wearing shorts. Action was surprisingly really good! Lots of hand to hand /weapon fight scenes, and they were well executed. VFX was also very nice on the big screen. There were only 2-3 scenes where the VFX looked poor. The ships really looked amazing, I was a fan. But honestly, there was too much action. They could have cut an action set piece and had some emotional scenes instead.
VAK has improved since Dhoom 3 for sure. This was way better. It could have been 30 min shorter, or they could have spent those 30 minutes developing the characters more. You really don’t feel anything for the characters…none of them.
The movie ends with a hint at a sequel. Obviously there won’t be one, but the one line summary they give of the potential sequel is better than the entire scene. Now THAT should have been the plot of this movie! SPOILER- Aamir and co are on their way to Britain to loot the British! I would love to see that.
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November 13, 2018 at 1:03 AM
Pretty much spot on review. The one flaw I forgot to mention you have. The British speaking Hindi to each other when no Indians are around! It doesn’t make any sense!
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November 13, 2018 at 1:08 AM
Thanks! And yeah lol, at least for the overseas print they could have kept those lines in English!
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November 13, 2018 at 2:20 AM
SPOILER!
Amitabh is attached to Fatima’s character because the girl was given his protection after birth. Since she lost her family, he raised her, he became a kind of father substitute.
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November 13, 2018 at 2:46 AM
I think the criticism here is easy. This is obvious in a very obvious way but there is hardly much background here in terms of build up. I will use a film I hate to describe this. In K3G, SRK and Jaya share a warm embrace song at the beginning. There on there are many simple scenes like Shava Shava, SRK leaving home, scenes where SRK has his mother’s picture. Everything is build around this trope so that the moment they meet in the mall the scene either hits you (or like a small select few like me it makes you cringe) but the point is the storyline arc is developed so much that the moment will provide the audience with a reunion moment of emotional investment.
TOH kind of does this very flimsy like where Bachchan just dies and suddenly returns. It’s meant to obviously be a surprise but the emotional punch is very weak. This is a stepfather daughter revenge saga without a huge development on their own arc!
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November 13, 2018 at 12:08 AM
4,5/5 stars
https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/movie-review-thugs-of-hindostan-is-a-perfect-confluence-of-two-bollywood?fbclid=IwAR0MNEsBH6_xtzy-Qe7T5O1qo5P-0VHGK7OCfq55jLOcc3Xngk6Eb7bP-BM
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November 13, 2018 at 1:25 AM
if this’s been posted before, please delete…
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Thugs of Hindostan gets a minimum guarantee of Rs. 110 cr. for the Chinese market!
Aamir Khan is a big name when it comes to the audience across the border in China. An example of his stardom there is the fact that each of his releases be it 3 Idiots, PK, Dangal, and Secret Superstar that have gone on to establish benchmarks at the China box office. This being said, Aamir Khan seems to have developed a connect with the audience in China, who in turn have taken an ardent liking to the actor’s cinematic outing. Now, keeping this in mind it comes as no surprise that the makers of Thugs of Hindostan would eventually look at releasing the period epic in the country. However, we hear that Yash Raj Films have decided to go a step further and ensure a wide if not wider than the domestic release of the film in China. But the interesting part is the fact that the film, even before it hits screens in China has earned its makers a whopping Rs. 110 cr. there.
For those still wondering how Thugs of Hindostan will feature at the China box office, one need not look further than Aamir Khan’s earlier releases in this territory. For instance, the actor’s previous releases include Dangal that raked in a staggering USD 196.89 million [Rs. 1437.30 cr], while his other release Secret Superstar that saw its domestic collections stagnate at Rs. 63.40 cr; drew in a massive USD 118.24 million [Rs. 863.15 cr] in China and PK that collected USD 116.60 million [Rs. 851.18 cr]. Besides these films there is also Aamir’s other release 3 Idiots that incidentally played a crucial role in opening up the Chinese market for Bollywood films, especially since it was the first Indian film to hit screens in China.
–BH
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November 13, 2018 at 2:32 AM
SRK on Thugs!!
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It’s been a unique year at the movies with seemingly small films like Stree and Badhaai Ho hitting Rs 100 crore and a star project like Thugs of Hindostan struggling to stay afloat. Do you always have a box-office target in mind with every film of yours?
Shah Rukh: Not in hundreds, but in thousands! (Laughs) Main dhai sau, teen sau crore mein believe nahi karta… ab toh seedha thousand crore!
Jokes apart, I would like to say something. It’s a little personal and I don’t know whether it’s right to say it or not. This is something that’s saddened me and so I want to share it. When it happened to me personally, I wasn’t so sad, but this time I am. There are people who have given excellence to cinema for years. A film can be good, a film can be bad; none of us can ever claim ki maine duniya ki sabsi achchi film banayi hain. Mr Bachchan and Aamir have been people who have constantly contributed to the excellence of cinema. The greatest contribution to Hindi cinema in the last 10 years has been from Aamir, and with Amitji, it’s been even longer. Now if a film of theirs (Thugs of Hindostan) doesn’t reach the level that you expected it to, does it take away from what they have done for cinema?
I think some people have been a little too harsh. It’s heartbreaking. It doesn’t mean that their spirit is broken, they are all amazing artistes who will bounce back. But one needs to be a little less harsh. I think Stree was fabulous and we need to make 20,000 films like that. But I also think that Thugs of Hindostan is fantastic. Sometimes we do go wrong, but Aamir has never done a film in which he hasn’t put in his best… I’ve known him for 20 years. And if there’s anyone who can put in even more effort than Aamir — which Aamir will also agree — it’s Amitji… and at this age! So they’ve come in with good hearts and great talent and tried to make a film which tries to open up a new genre.
I may be speaking out of turn, but just like we have embraced Stree, we need to give some leeway to films like Thugs… that attempt something different. An adventure film has not been made in India in decades… probably Parasmani (1963) in black and white was the last one. Thugs… has tried to introduce this genre and kabhi kabhi upar neeche ho sakta hai. But the fact remains that in our cinema, we haven’t made an Indiana Jones and screw the comparison yaar, humne Pirates of the Caribbean bhi nahin banayi. So props to them for the attempt.
I have faced this with Ra.One… woh galat bann gaya, but at least mera effort tha to introduce superheroes into our cinema. Effort can’t be derided like this. If it was my film, it would seem like I was taking it personally, but yes, I am taking this personally.
I let people down with Jab Harry Met Sejal, which was an utter flop. But I didn’t want to let anyone down; I just liked the fact that koi story nahin thi, sirf ek ring ke chakkar mein the two people (SRK’s Harry and Anushka Sharma’s Sejal) kheechey chale jaate hain… it was very organic, slice-of-life thi. The other day I met a director who mentioned the term ‘slice-of-life’ and I said, ‘nahin, poora pumpkin do mujhe iss baar’ (laughs).
What I am saying is that we need to give everything a chance. If Zero works, it will give people encouragement to make films that are even bigger in scale and story. And if we keep doing it, then maybe one day we will be able to make a good Mahabharat too. Nahin toh sirf bahaar waale hi hamari stories banate rahenge. Aur hum dekh ke sochte rahenge ki humne Gandhi kyun nahin banayi?
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November 13, 2018 at 3:16 AM
Hopefully every newbie troller will go after SRK now too as what he has said is not to different to most sane people here.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:50 AM
Good one! This is exactly my feeling. I was planning on writing the same things but couldn’t find the time. He literally snatched the words out of my mouth..my key-board I guess. The way the reviews were being written, the way a 76 year old actor’s iconic show is being used to create memes, the way the 2 actors are being made fun of, it is heart-breaking, and he’s used the right word.
People can say it’s a bad movie, the worst, whatever, and move on: Repeatedly saying the same thing again again, going through a loop, it’s a pretty insensitive public out there. People who haven’t watched the film saying it’s the worst. Gloating. I don’t know.
In general, social media brings out the WORST in a person. Pathetic. What to expect? The founder of the most popular social media tool himself had the ‘vision’ of creating the tool not for any greater good or advancement of society, but just to join a club in the University so that he could sound cool and get a chance to get laid!!
I don’t know whether SRK is genuine here because his past history when he comes out with such statements have not been entirely honest. Is he feeling the heat now what with him being the last Khan on to be measured this year? Only he knows.
I hope he is sincere here…
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November 13, 2018 at 3:56 AM
AnJo I’ve been meaning to say I share your general distain for social media.
Look at #metoo, it’s practically dead now. Because people chose Twitter instead of national daily newspaper or better still lawyers. I take Twitter as seriously as finding a life partner on Tinder! 😀 But then trollers find ways to make things happen at marginal levels.
Whether SRK is genuine or not…the word heartbreaking is very apt here. I’m not so emotionally invested in stars as it may seem but this is one instance where the general sentiment has been very unfair and unfortunate.
I hope China provides a better response rather than a bitter one.
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November 13, 2018 at 9:15 AM
Twitter can be blamed to teach something to most of the folks – a new word ‘trolls’ without understanding the meaning. They use it anywhere when they don’t agree with someone. Lol.
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November 13, 2018 at 9:18 AM
If you’re denying this – I wish you an extended vacation for your recovery
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trolling
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November 13, 2018 at 9:25 AM
Also I’m not calling you one if that’s why you are so upset. Just some of the newbies and a bunch of people on Twitter.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:16 AM
The first Kannada movie in Hindi, Telgu, and Tamil on Kolar Gold Fields…
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November 13, 2018 at 3:36 AM
Hindi….
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November 13, 2018 at 4:20 AM
Looks like a stylized rehash of Agneepath.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:37 AM
The bigger fraud, it turns out, for RACE 3 was committed over the weekdays.
Day 4 Total (%occupancy X #of Shows) = 614.62
Day 5 Total (%occupancy X #of Shows) = 472.43
Day 6 Total (%occupancy X #of Shows) = 378.44
If we assume the first day figure of 28.5 Crores is correct and we compare these numbers to the 1st day, we get
Day 4 Total = (614.62/1360.39) X 28.5 = 12.9 Crores (Producer Total = 14.24 Crores)
Day 5 Total = (472.43/1360.39) X 28.5 = 9.9 Crores (Producer Total = 10 Crores)
Day 6 Total = (378.44/1360.39) X 28.5 = 7.93 Crores (Producer Total = 7.5 Crores)
Aren’t ticket prices down on weekdays by 20%? If that is the case, Days 4-6 will be: 10.3, 7.9 & 6.3 Crores respectively!
There’s no way RACE 3 did more than 140 Crores at the Box Office. The numbers simply don’t add up.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:39 AM
The final nett figure on both Bollywood Hungama and BOI is 166.4 Crores!
This is complete bull, as I have just proved.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:51 AM
Saket – it winds you up no?
I’ve scratched my head so many times on a Saturday morning years ago, banging my head as to why no one believes what a bargain basement box office site BOI is. I’m 100% with you. It is logical what you are doing.
I’m not sure if prices drop by 20% though. I thought maybe 10%, people in India will be able to confirm.
But I feel your disgust. In fact for once I’m glad it’s not me. When the penny drops on someone like Krish my job is done as I am sure his interests in box office are serious and he can devote time to improving it.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:30 AM
That’s good work saket..I dont mean to nitpick but will mention couple of things..
the producer total for race 3 is around 175cr..addatoday has it at 173cr..not sure why BH is carrying BOI numbers..
secondly you can reduce 10 to 15 percent for ticket prices..but it is also possible that being a Salman movie the occupancies in smaller centre are higher than the centers you have used as the eid festivities affect smaller centre of up etc for 3 to 5 days.
.the boi number for day 4 to 6 is 14, 9.5 and 8…yours is 12.9, 9.9, 7.93 before price correction and would be 11.7, 9 and 7.25 after percent ticket cost reduction of 10 percent…its not too far off from boi to reduce the final total to reduce 35cr from 175cr and arrive at 140cr.
.I assume day 1 and day 2 collections seem ok..day 3 inflated by 3cr, day 4 to day 6 inflated by another 5 cr at max..week 2 of race 3 anyways added only 24cr and week 3 sanju released and movie added another 1cr..the producer number of 173 to 175cr is no doubt inflated maybe by around 10 to 15cr max…boi number is around 8 to 9 cr less than producer..I can live with tha level of dishonesty….i will move to eventually a better site to follow if there is anyone out there other than BOI..till then…
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November 13, 2018 at 4:39 AM
Krish – just set up your own thing and give us a share of your profits in the future. This is a clear cut way to make yourself rich and famous in a very honest way. Don’t follow the BOI route. You only have Taran Adarsh and Komal Nahta ahead of you – that’s like Race 3 and TOH giving competition to Dangal. You’ll be a star.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:43 AM
Saket and I can be silent partners to bounce some ideas of.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:56 AM
Now that I have the excel sheet setup, I can certainly give some numbers for the 1st week after comparing them to RACE 3 or Sanju. It’s going to be fun!
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November 13, 2018 at 4:59 AM
Once it’s set up it’s very repetitive but fun. Have a ball and share some results. Krish is on the brink I feel here.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:45 AM
Haha..you are the one made for this..you can make boi go out of business if you enter the field..🙂
Aside, I think we should encourage this bolytrick guy..seems a guy who is interested only in bo reporting no snide comments etc..hope he expands his thing
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November 13, 2018 at 4:56 AM
Unfortunately I’ve swapped excel spreadsheets for nappies.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.85.679%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&ved=2ahUKEwjRgprji9HeAhVM26QKHbNBArkQFjABegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw1M1EAZiS5kG3LIT1e5ByhA
This is some aspirational stuff you can get your head round. Of course this is the next stage after nailing facts of actuals, but once you get there you can start to become a forecasting wizard. Plenty more papers like this on the internet.
If you don’t I suspect Saket will be loaded in a few years time. And he can diversify into sports too. Total killing.
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November 13, 2018 at 5:16 AM
It’s really weird. Yesterday I was searching for a column I would have written on NG but couldn’t find one. But stumbled on a comment from Jeeves on bollybusiness or something like that where he linked my Dostana numbers (from NG) to counter some under reporting elsewhere! I didn’t realise my columns were being used like this. Bloody hell didn’t realise these columns went beyond NG. And then Shetty on Facebook reminded his group, of Saturday mornings and this box office column and how he liked it. Then Himesh Makand and I shared a small exchange.
Taran Adarsh really screwed me over! Even Sandhya editing my newspaper columns as my English was rushed and lazy. Very happy to see and remember such things.
Of course the opposite side of Naveen, Z and co always on my back really annoyed me.
Good luck Saket! 😀
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November 13, 2018 at 5:36 AM
LOL! I was just about to say I’d be hounded by all sorts of fans from now on.
Blame it on Master — he was the one who suggested that novices can’t analyze the Box Office!
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November 13, 2018 at 5:44 AM
You’ll be hounded for sure. Every time you are 1rupee below BOI for any star film you’ll have to stand up and take your medicine. But no one will have any real substance in their counter –
Naysayer – BOI is better
You – why?
Naysayer – because it is
Your method is irrefutable right now as BOI hasn’t got a method for Naysayers to counter with. I’m 100% behind you.
http://www.saketboxofficeindia.com – live the dream 😀
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November 13, 2018 at 5:50 AM
Guys like Master will motivate you. For every Master there will be countless others who value it.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:53 AM
I have data for smaller centres as well. I will crunch those numbers later but I don’t see any visible change from the metros.
Hyderabad and Ahmedabad are both very strong centres for Salman and by day 4/5, both were down in terms of occupancy.
The numbers for RACE 3 are inflated at BOI — at least by 10% and worst case, by 20%.
I don’t even care about producer numbers. Those are even more bogus compared to BOI.
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November 13, 2018 at 5:01 AM
Saket That would be awesome..expecting to see your first week numbers for 2.0 🙂
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November 13, 2018 at 5:30 AM
Does NG exist yet?..what happ to rajen and others who used to frequent it?
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November 13, 2018 at 5:37 AM
NG is closed from what I know. Munna probably knows more. SS was the killer.
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November 13, 2018 at 11:56 AM
It is dead but I think domain is still valid.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:35 AM
@Saket – this proves my point that ‘anyone’ can do this. Obviously your not just anyone but the fact that 2 people from distant countries can do some number crunching and provide genuine back up to numbers, some transparency etc is point proven. Whether your number is right or wrong is academic at this point, it’s no less worthy than the BOI ones. In fact it’s more worthy as you have provided your own logic. And the only counter is changing some of your assumptions but the underlying method is irrefutable.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:39 AM
Agree..key thing is access to data and lot of data…
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November 13, 2018 at 5:15 AM
Saket – Take a subscription to comscore if you really have time and energy for this.
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November 13, 2018 at 5:35 AM
This can only be a hobby, Marcus. I’m more interested in Sports data and analysis but the same techniques can be applied to the Box Office as well.
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November 13, 2018 at 5:49 AM
Sure, it was just a suggestion in case. The analytics involved in indian cricket is pretty mature at this point due to the money involved. And it really adds value to everyone involved.
But Bollywood is all about hoarding raw data. Thats the way that industry likes to be.
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November 13, 2018 at 5:58 AM
Anyway if I reach my 50’s and have spare time and interest in this I’ll do it for sure. So before I get there I want someone to build something that I can take 3rd mover advantage from 😀
By the way every time I open this thread, this hideous Aamir Khan picture is in my face. Surely a still of Firangi and Azaad circling each other is better! Even Katrina!
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November 13, 2018 at 6:01 AM
That pic is specifically for the trolls …
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November 13, 2018 at 6:02 AM
Yeah that pic is even scarier than the crash of TOH
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November 13, 2018 at 6:05 AM
3 more days and then we can replace it with ayushman khurana pic from BHB as that will be the only movie around.. that’s me genuinely trolling for once 😝
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November 13, 2018 at 6:18 AM
140Cr for TOH. BH will be taking over by Thursday or Friday on daily collections. This is the enormity of embarrassment. A 3 week old film will be taking over TOH. I would never have put a penny on that whatever the odds! This is the extent of which some social media impact has taken place. After first day predictions for lifetime was 200Cr or even more. Now it’s well below 150Cr. You can basically guess a lot of business has been lost this way. Not that 200Cr was any level of respectability in first place.
Anyway TOH still has its potential wildcard of China.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:29 AM
Yeah it’s quite a shock honestly..the year was a good one for trade till now..this makes it a bad year now..even the most pessimistic person wouldn’t have expected this to finish 20cr more than stree…in 4 days 2 years of effort and expectations have gone in smoke..whether it does anything in China doesnt change anything in India..if anything the distributors will actually end up feeling movie was made for China and feel cheated ..
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November 13, 2018 at 6:31 AM
It can do 100m in China (not that it will) and it won’t change the verdict and perception of the film. What’s the point in scoring overseas when domestically its a disaster.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:48 AM
China is nothing more than a bonus. Obviously India matters most. It’s been annihilated there and rest of world is awful. But no one could have predicted this. Even Bobby Sidhu is off by some 40Cr. The level of damage here can in part be explained by a rather extreme reaction. There is simply no way the film is this bad.
It’s a 2/5 film and this should be doing 200Cr IMO but the audience have spoken loud and clear. Nothing will be spared not even a YRF Bachchan Aamir combo.
Anything AnJo or Saket are saying with an alternative motive here is being perpetuated further. I’m not suggesting a hate mob but just social media has had some impact here. Realistically everyone’s predictions from Day 1 have been downed dramatically. From 400, 300 to reasonable ones in 200 mark are squashed below Bobby Sidhu to around 140Cr.
Now the race is – not Race 3 but Akshay’s highest grosser!
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November 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM
One thing I forgot to add: Its not possible that movie makes 1st day record and then getting removed from theaters from 4-5th day and mostly by end of 1st week. Its rarity in Indian box office or anywhere.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:04 AM
Now what is this I’m reading. Instead of accepting the historic clash and disaster result of TOH the numbers of other films are being questioned. We all know Krishh3, HNY, Race 3 and Padman etc were inflated as are all films but TOH didn’t even do 50 on its first day and its probably not even hit 100 in the first 3 days.
TOH is an even bigger disaster than Bombay Velvet.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:05 AM
https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=4433
Not even in the top 10
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November 13, 2018 at 6:07 AM
https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=4435
Can’t even match a 3 year old PRDP.
And here TOH is from YRF, 2 years gap for Amir, Katrina Kaif, Big B and the most expensive tickets of all time not to forget the most no of screens.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:39 AM
Most astonishing is performance in USA/Canada, this is the best market for Aamir khan regardless of his movies.
Still just $1.185 mn in weekend and $1.45 mn over 4-day extended weekend.
14 N Thugs of Hindustan Yash $1,185,386 – 377 – $3,144 $1,449,848 – 1
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/
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November 13, 2018 at 7:00 AM
Caught #TOH today. It is one time watchable. I don’t know what is the fuzz about people spreading so much negativity and foul mouthing the movie. Yes it is an opportunity lost to be ATBB but it’s genuinely not that bad as it had been said about.
The premise was good, a lot could have been done but nevertheless it was entertaining(could have edited the movie at least by 15 mins).
Aamir acted well and his character was fully developed and looked lively on screen. Problem was with other characters roles which were not fully developed that includes Ab sr’s too. AB sr looked majestic in screen. What an aura he has and carries. Wow. All scenes between him and Aamir together were gems and paisa vasool. Yes fatima was a miscast here. Her face looked bloated and dialogue delivery was below par. Plot twists were predictable but in line of masala movies. Though found amusing that same English men were there in fort for another 11 years, they never moved anywhere, never got army support from other British rule places. Also not a single scene of people helplessness or slavery from the atrocities of british men. They were living the 11 years just like that and woke up only in the last scenes. And the most ridiculous part was Britishers celebrating dusshera!!!. I mean why?. They could have chosen some other event to justify their involvement in the celebration with cities people.
1st half is good (found little unconvincing that firangi got too close to azaad too early),
2nd half is ok (apart from scenes from azaad left over gang taking shelter at suriayya’s place till revealing of Azaad was bad).
Found vfx ok, dint find it hampering the overall feel or look of the movie.
Last lines… Movie does not deserve so much of hatred and ridiculing. I mean it is not that bad as being projected. There are many bad movies compare to it which has churned money. But yes it is strictly one time watchable movie. It is a giant opportunity lost because of bad direction.
Highlight : All scenes between Ab sr & Aamir.
Ratings:2.5/5
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November 13, 2018 at 7:22 AM
Its still gonna mint 140cr at the box office. Thats around 60cr more than it deserves.
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November 13, 2018 at 8:19 AM
Amit, the issue is what your last line is “Ratings:2.5/5”
2.5 would be okay for other actors but for aamir film, people expect more. And then on top of it audience have to pay lot more to see it, they will be pi$$ed if expectations are not met.
And when film does bad all over the world, then we have to accept that it’s a bad film.
Only saving grace for TOH is that there was no competition, let’s say something like Padmaavat had released along with it, TOH would have wrapped up in 125 crore at the most.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:55 AM
Z, have you watched the film?
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November 13, 2018 at 10:03 AM
This is a historic failure of movie . Amir may go down as actor who has given biggest blockbuster and biggest flop ever. Toh has many advantages like comming in Diwali holiday period , no competition for 3 weeks still such failure is amazing .This flop again proves no superstar is above good scripts and younger generations actor like ranbhir, ranveer and Varun Dhawan are ready to compete khans and Kumar .
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November 13, 2018 at 10:22 AM
A thought crossed my mind while driving to work- henceforth no superstar will agree to having Zeeshan Ayyub play the hero’s best friend character . LOL !!!
Sorry, if this already been observed by people here or elsewhere .
#Tubelight, TOH !!
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November 13, 2018 at 10:26 AM
I personally like his performances a lot barring in Tubelight. He was superb in Ranajhna and in TOH.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:31 AM
His screen name in Zero is Guddu, which was another SRK dud .
#just saying
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November 13, 2018 at 10:26 AM
He’s in Zero according to Wikipedia.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM
Are you fucking serious , gai bhains paani mein !!
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November 13, 2018 at 10:30 AM
And according to Wikipedia he is SRK’s best friend.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:32 AM
His screen name in Zero is Guddu, which was another SRK dud .
#just saying
wish there was a cut/ paste function here .
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November 13, 2018 at 10:41 AM
Jayshah Mingry has got something for u.TOH in China.She is hopeful for TOH in China.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:53 AM
Something I have missed on China is it is not driven by the Indian diaspora like all the other market – a fundamental flaw in my argument against releasing this there. But I’m not holding my breath for a big success here. Low expectations and hopefully a surprise.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:44 AM
part of a comment on Bachchan’s blog:
[I did not see Thugs because of things that I heard from friends and elsewhere. Consider it my ‘protest vote’. Mostly against Yashraj. I’ve heard great things about you here though and I might possibly check it out for this reason. But overall I am so upset at this opportunity being wasted (even if I was never expecting the sky from Yashraj) that it’s difficult for me to show up for this. It’s one thing to make a different or alternative or risky film and then face such a response. In those cases I usually blame the audience. But in a very mainstream commercial enterprise there’s simply no excuse for not getting the script right. And it doesn’t take very much. I even had bookings for Sat but I went so far as to cancel them. I’m not otherwise persuaded by audience reactions if I truly believe in the film. And some friends I heard from are let’s say a lot more tolerant than myself when it comes to absorbing ‘Bollywood’ (which is to say the contemporary Hindi industry). Judging from the overall response though I might not be the only ‘angry’ person in this sense. Even accepting the obvious there is something a bit puzzling about the intensity of the response. In a way I am now more intrigued than I might have been initially!]
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November 13, 2018 at 11:05 AM
Satyam your so mean LOL
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November 13, 2018 at 12:38 PM
“your mean” rong englishwa, ahai
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November 13, 2018 at 1:27 PM
Damn that is my phone on autopilot. I usually get your and you’re right and correct others. Very disappointed in myself here.
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November 13, 2018 at 11:11 AM
Satyam, I don’t know what you are waiting for. This film is not going to stay in the theaters like the British did for 300 years….
And Q has disappeared like one of the extras from Clive’s army in TOH…He is not even making a Suraiyya like appearance…
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November 13, 2018 at 11:28 AM
Satyam and Qalander are waiting for week 2 to help TOH trend better
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November 13, 2018 at 1:04 PM
lol!
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November 13, 2018 at 1:04 PM
LOL, true. But the problem is it’s been somewhat busy for me after the weekend. Will try to catch it if I can later this week.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:54 AM
Jayshah if u remember only two reviews on douban and look what I found.Both these accounts seems to be of Indian and specifically seems SRK fans.
3 useful SRK… seen 2018-11-09
The rotten film, IMDB is now 3.8. The part of the song and dance made me very disappointed, and it was too embarrassing. Android
2 useful super Indian fans have seen 2018-11-09
Super bad film, it is a waste of time. Amir Khan continues to film and sell poor and backward movies in India, and I believe that he will return soon.
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November 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM
Is ‘Aamir’ so hard to spell? Considering you’ve just typed ‘a’ and don’t have to move on the keyboard anywhere else for the next letter which is also an ‘a’. Is it some way of insulting him?
I’m going to start dropping a letter from everyone’s name here now.
Ocky – oye oye Ocky
Satam – nearly Satan
Mit – nearly tit
Sanjan – nearly a boy
Blis – no change
A Jo – grammatically correct
– ‘Z’ is just blank now
rish – the alter ego of a superhero
Aster & Arcus – sequel to Karan Arjun
Saet – wannabe Spanish car
Raul – one of my favourite footballers
Navee – nearly a girl
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November 13, 2018 at 12:47 PM
LMAO on “Z” ….
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November 13, 2018 at 1:05 PM
I see incorrect spelling with Aamir a lot but one of the prime reasons could be that “Amir” is also proper name which is as popular as Aamir throughout India. It really is not an incomplete as you put for other names here.
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November 13, 2018 at 1:06 PM
Just for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Khan_(boxer)
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November 13, 2018 at 1:25 PM
Boxer everyone in Britain knows but come on basic decency to spell a name right. Even AFTER it’s been pointed out. And these are so called Bollywood fans who will have seen ‘Aamir’ zillions of times. Amir Khan is a very popular British and Olympic boxer. No one I’ve seen write his name has spelt it incorrectly.
Seems some form of deliberate insult, I remember Tango (Abid) on NG use to do this whenever he spoke ill of Aamir.
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November 13, 2018 at 1:29 PM
“Boxer everyone in Britain knows but come on basic decency to spell a name right”
That I agree Jaysah.
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November 13, 2018 at 2:19 PM
LOL, just saw this. trust me, it’s not to inslut aamir is sometimes i type it as amir. Actually I see “Bachchan” misspelled more.
TOH debacle is really taking amir fans to another level, oops i mean aamir (now, this was deliberate)
Jokes aside, it’s really just fingers moving faster than the brain on the keyboard. Nothing else.
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November 13, 2018 at 2:24 PM
Z, your name is the smartest one here. No chance of misspelling and if missing out a letter then it got to be blank like this . Lol
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November 13, 2018 at 2:51 PM
It was the review posted by aamirsaurabh from China, that I said it for.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:17 AM
Jayshah comments were in Mandarin.I translated through Google option and pasted it here.I think from douban whenever u translate Amir appears not Aamir.Also Mandarin is a symbolic language and there is never a word to word (exact) translation.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:32 AM
Never get into details, just ignore. Trolls never get the lexicon, forget semantics!
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November 14, 2018 at 3:32 AM
Dont mean Jay here.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:56 AM
I meant abt only two bad user reviews.Other user reviews are positive.
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November 13, 2018 at 1:17 PM
“Both these accounts seems to be of Indian and specifically seems SRK fans.”
Damn, you caught me!!
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November 13, 2018 at 10:58 AM
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November 13, 2018 at 11:53 AM
Good trailer
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November 13, 2018 at 11:32 AM
Jayshah/Satyam/Rocky/Nykavi/Saket:
Take a look at the below – This is from MANK, a gentleman, a great lover of movies, and an absolutely neutral person who comments on BR blog, and writes terrific comments, especially on Malayalam movies…
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I will write a detailed note on the film later, but either i saw a very different film than the others or i have completely lost it. I cant believe this is the film that everyone is bashing left right and center. i find it even more unbelievable that Brangan, who was perhaps the only reviewer to champion masala movies like Apne or Veer or the work that went into Drona or hell even Joker – and rightfully so- would dismiss this film with such disdain. As just one among the 7 people who liked Tashan and one among a million who disdained Dhoom3, i would say i found TOH to be a very enjoyable and entertaining masala film that pays tribute to the legacy of masala cinema , its greatest star Amitabh Bachchan and its most successful modern exponent Aamir Khan. This is no way a lazy cash grab like Race3 where Aamir dialed it in, there is a lot of his convictions a lot of thought go into this film that is mounted on such a lavish scale.. The film has its flaws, no question about it, could this have been better ?, Absolutely!. there are issues in terms of tone, casting, staging etc. but this is no way an embarrassment for Amitabh or Aamir and i am glad that they chose to come together for this one. As a fan of masala films, Of Amitabh Bachchan and Aamir Khan , i dont regret watching this at all
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November 13, 2018 at 11:36 AM
I had just read this on BR’s blog… hahahaha my first ever full blown review on NG was Apne. I’m surprised Rangan didn’t have a single good word here.
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November 13, 2018 at 11:39 AM
MANK is usually a very good reader of movies..I am usually not much of a movie watcher..but I am intrigued to check this out atleast when it comes to Amazon
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November 13, 2018 at 11:59 AM
I’m happy! Thanks for the post. Someone else who saw another movie! That’s how we felt. In my company I had people who love international cinema and see a lot of films. They liked TOH very much and still talk about it after 2 days. They don’t understand the sabotage and the ratings of the film. Also the people in the hall were enthusiastic like us.
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November 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM
Can someone share a link to this blog, please? Thank you.
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November 13, 2018 at 12:25 PM
https://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com
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November 13, 2018 at 1:14 PM
Thank you!
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November 13, 2018 at 12:49 PM
Yes I did read that and am glad that he liked the movie.
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November 13, 2018 at 1:14 PM
An Jo, I had read Tigmanshu Dhulia’s interview (or heard him say t his), where he says “audience film ko sungh leti hai” (audience have a way to know about the movie)…before it even releases. Through trailers. Songs. I predicted a flop before the release based on my own instinct as audience. It has nothing to do with Aamir or Bachchan, both of whom I am fan of (bachchan yes. aamir not at that same level). The british in the movie as villain just created the pepto bismal moment for me and deal breaker for me. If only YRF had run the script by me, I would have asked them to make worthy villains, change story or time period to have something else as the villain. The film is only as good as its villains. The other points that are not as major: I didn’t like bachchan doing sword fights-dance and such in the sneak peak. Somehow it didn’t go with his physicality and age. I wanted to hide under the table. His voice was amazing but rest was like grandpaa doing sword fight or dancing. He should play aging don like Marlon Brando in Godfather or Pankaj Kapoor in Maqbool…A sarkar done under able hands of director like Neeraj Pandey or someone skillful. Somehow he is not able to pull it off like Rajnikant who is in similar age category. Katrina looked too lame–been there, done that, type dance moves, trying so hard. Aamir looked thakela and his bowing down to british, bowing down to Bahchan looked very fake and unreal in the sneak peak. And the less said about the boats t he better it is, compare the VFX to Kedarnath trailer which are so much better. If you gotta do masala and masala at big scale, you have to take the leaf out of Bahubali. It was same old. same old Mahabharata story, but it all felt so good and entertaining and refreshing. Just see the first time Prabhas meets Tamannah. very utterly sexy and convincing Tamannah with full on objectification but in a very convincing way. All the small characters from Kattapa, to villains to smaller sub-plots. Anushka sweety with sword fights, amazing and convincing.
For YRF: if you want to make a movie at this big scale, nepotism or couchism should be out. You should cast people on merit and merit alone. Maybe Adi Chopra got ton of free money to invest into a movie from venture capitalists, dunno but right now he must be losing all his hair from the stress of this debacle. At least he should have invested in a better editor for this movie!! Now please don’t hate me too much for this “analysis” and rambling thoughts.
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November 13, 2018 at 1:32 PM
The analysis of Bahubali is spot on. That movie got it all right.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:02 PM
and Bahubali is still more of a Rajamouli-film than a Prabhas-film! the difference lies there…..director….
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November 13, 2018 at 3:12 PM
Rajamouli ke baap ne likkha, Rajamouli ne direct kiya, Prabas ne execute kiya! In that order. But the movie is made on editing table. If the movie is awesome and editor screws up or if the movie is terrible but editor makes enough cuts to make it all look still good. I feel editor is like clothing designer. Some genius designer can make clothing look fab on a fat girl. Some bad designer can make clothing look terrible on size zero model. But then I could be wrong. But this is my thinking. I think all great directors (think of Hirani in India or Hrishikesh M.) are great editors. So Hirani’s three idiots was not working and Hirani narrowed it down to 1st half where Chatur reactions were absent or reactions to Chatur where absent. So he then went ahead and strategically placed Chatur or Aamir reactions and suddenly the film worked in that it enabled the idea of what director was trying to say to audience. For Meghana Gulzar’s Raazi, Mahesh Bhatt sat with her in editing room. Thats why Raazi looks so much better in the end as a product than what it really is. He enhanced the soppy paced, crying drama into somewhat of a interest holding thriller.
BTW, this is what the audience was saying at the intermission of ToH. Take it easy. lol
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November 13, 2018 at 5:27 PM
Makes sense. I mean, BR had a few good things to say about Drona! In his review of ToH, he just butchered the film.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:01 PM
I love this song, they don’t make um like this anymore.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:10 PM
They didn’t make it even that time also. Almost whole album is lifted and copied. Just ruined the childhood when I came across this decade back.
The Shadows- return to the Alamo.
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November 13, 2018 at 3:41 PM
Are you effin kidding me??? WTF
Is this real?
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November 13, 2018 at 3:46 PM
Yes, this was released in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasty_(The_Shadows_album)
The score is Return to the Alamo.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:00 PM
It’s amazing how many hindi songs are copied, especially from the pakistani songs. there are few videos on youtube on it. Some even have the exact lyrics.
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November 13, 2018 at 4:01 PM
Yes Nadeem Shravan’s majority and Aashiqui lot are from Pakistan.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:31 PM
**Are you effin kidding me??? WTF
Is this real?**
LOL. Really Z? It took Aamir’s QSQT for you to realize that Hindi film songs are plagiarized? Wow!
Here you go…pick who you choose..don’t worry; you will find everyone..Get ready to get your ‘childhood’ ruined too..
http://www.itwofs.com/hindi-am.html
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November 13, 2018 at 7:20 PM
Drop it An Jo. Its a different matter that most Aamir fans have rejected TOH themselves because it is a tribute to masala and they have made it loud and clear that Dangal is the standard with which he will be judged (first SS and now TOH). No complains from my side!
The irony is on the trolls who fancy themselves as masala fans and are trolling an honest (but not a great) tribute to masala.
QSQT has been a thorn for both masala lovers of eighties and ddlj-lovers of nineties (some here are both!!). Its an ideological pesticide, so not so trivial for them. Childhood memories are just nostalgia, but ideological differences will always expose who you really are, and TOH trolling is just proving these points.
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November 13, 2018 at 7:21 PM
no, it didn’t take Aamir film to realize that some hind songs are copied. I just didn’t think this song was copied.
not sure why you’re making this about aamir.
one of my all time favorite song is from guide, din dhal jaye.
if someone points out that it’s copied, I will be shocked.
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November 13, 2018 at 10:45 PM
Haha, can’t believe folks here are so twisted and twisting my comments. QSQT songs are copied doesn’t make it a comment against Aamir. Q2Q (which we fondly call it) is one of my all time fav movies ever and there is lot of reasons for me to love that movie which I can’t share on public channel as there is family/cousins connection to the film makers!
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November 14, 2018 at 1:27 AM
Marcus: I have been the utmost patient here and I will leave it at that..any 2nd grade kid can detect the ‘flow’ here. Anyway forget it; don’t want to abuse someone else’s blog and mis-use that hospitality. People know who’s who and who’s what..just as Aamirsaurabh was told not to clog the threads with Aamir’s movie collections in China by the hour…and thankfully he stopped it..
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November 14, 2018 at 1:35 AM
Yes I’m sorry too. I use the dashboard (www.satyamshot.wordpress.com/wp-admin) to respond so very rarely check which thread the comments originate from. Hence I’m in the wrong thread too.
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November 14, 2018 at 1:49 AM
@ Z – check the web-site that I posted – they have tracked it all the way even to the likes of Shankar Jaikishan – though of course, there’s more integrity with the old-time musicians than the newer ones since they were much more grounded in classical music and gharanas; here’s another one – though I have to say, the plagiarized one is truly melodious and one for the ages..and the original
Timberlake and Mulligan sing this one in Coen Brothers’ INSIDE LLEWYN DAVIS
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November 14, 2018 at 2:50 AM
No wonder I pretty much hated the music from the 90s. Awful list composers – Nadeem-Shravan, Anu Malik….ugh!
Even after plagiarizing, these guys were just plain bad. I can’t recall a single song without feeling the urge to throw something, somewhere.
I guess that’s also an example of the power of music, albeit in the wrong sense.
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November 14, 2018 at 2:56 AM
Why only songs? Most of Aamir’s successful scripts in nineties were plagiarised versions of Hollywood films. Its common knowledge, but some of us still like those films. Its ok imo, Firangi has done a lot of stuff in his 30 years so far.
In some pop-philosophy thrown in TOH, he did what it took to be ‘alive’ given his circumstances. To which Khudabaksh says that everyone gets a chance to redeem himself … and Firangi responds well when the time comes. Remember Lagaan, RDB, DCH, Dangal, PK to name a few?
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November 14, 2018 at 3:05 AM
Not just Aamir, the Hollywood influence dates back to Raj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand’s days. Chori Chori was an adaptation of It Happened One Night, which was also the inspiration behind DHKMN.
Even the great Guru Dutt was inspired by film-noir. The great visuals in Pyaasa owe something to German Expressionism, which re-defined Hollywood in the times of Citizen Kane.
And to be honest, inspiration is always fine. It’s when one crosses the boundaries and becomes a chor. it becomes a problem.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:05 AM
RD copied almost everything for Mehbooba
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November 14, 2018 at 8:25 AM
An Jo, please don’t become like Marcus.
You don’t know me so I can’t say trust me, but I can tell you with all honesty that i’m not here to put down any stars or movies. I keep saying this, just go thru any old threads for reference and make an educated decision yourself. Marcus does nothing but create negative environment on this blog. Only reason he gets away is because he is an aamir fan. Imagine if he was trashing aamir/bachchan all the time on this blog??? He is usually trashing srk and that makes many on this blog happy, and lets not pretend like it doesn’t.
Anyway, to restate the qsqt song, i was shocked because i didn’t think i’ve seen it pointed out anywhere before that it was a copy. Take songs from Dil, it was already in paper from day one that couple songs are copied so no surprise.
I will go thru the link you’ve provided to see what else is there. Any song that jumped out at you, i sense that you didn’t think it was copied?
By the way, ehtics/creativity aside, I don’t have an issue with copying as long as it’s done well.
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November 14, 2018 at 8:27 AM
Like Z I only learned QSQT songs were copied via Qalander at some point over last decade. But it will not stop me from loving those songs.
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November 14, 2018 at 8:31 AM
Man, a lot of songs copied.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:38 AM
I dont care about the originality.
Songs of QAQT, Aashiqui etc are evergreens, though kids are taking time to adapt to 80s and 90s hits but i think they would eventually.
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November 13, 2018 at 5:33 PM
“Buddha Hoga Tera Baap” is not trending well despite being vintage stuff … 2 days gone and this thread has not yet crossed 400 comments!
Even the ‘retired hurt’ drama has fallen flat.
Meanwhile Satyam is waiting for 18 days to pass and has taken his commentary to bachan’s blog instead (note the spelling, correlate it with how to fly to moon and feel happy).
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November 13, 2018 at 6:02 PM
It looks like Srk and Karan Johar are going at it due to screens. Let’s see what kind of friendship they really have, this will be interesting!!
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November 13, 2018 at 6:04 PM
Sumit kadel
Sumit kadel
@SumitkadeI
#Zero has been sold to powerful distributors at every circuit & their distribution is extremely strong. Semi-Clash between #zero & #Simmba could take a bad turn in coming days. Hope things get sorted out for good.
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November 13, 2018 at 6:17 PM
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November 14, 2018 at 1:36 AM
@ Marcus
Some of the one liners are wonderful. That particular one is probably the best.
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November 14, 2018 at 2:22 AM
Here’s something for those who are interested…could the TOH disaster be avoided?…
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SOME filmmakers say it is invaluable in helping them gauge an audience’s response. Others say it threatens their integrity. But nearly everyone concedes that movie testing has become a studio addiction not to be kicked any time soon.
Playing a film to a sample audience before it opens is not new: Frank Capra, Alfred Hitchcock and other greats liked to have their films shown to preview audiences to discern where the laughs or gasps did or didn’t come, when there was too much coughing, when the restrooms became too crowded for comfort. But those screenings were spontaneous, casual affairs — often the studio simply slipped the film into a theater unannounced, and there was nothing scientific about the process.
But not all. ”It’s a very arduous process that most directors find difficult and simplistic,” Mr. Pressman said. Andrew Bergman, the director of ”Honeymoon in Vegas” and other comedies, loathes the process and says that all the information he got from testing his recent ”Isn’t She Great” was that audiences didn’t want to watch Bette Midler die. Oliver Stone does not usually test his movies, but he made an exception for ”Natural Born Killers,” he said, ”because I had to know if it was too way out there.” On his most recent film, ”Any Given Sunday,” his contract with Warner Brothers stipulated that if he went over budget, he had to test. He did, so he did.
”I ended up cutting about 15 minutes after the test,” Mr. Stone said, ”and I liked feeling the heat of the audience. I don’t mind testing, per se, but it’s part of this becoming such a product-oriented business. It can ruin the integrity of the film, and the director becomes another cog in the machine.”
The best-known nontester is the best-known director. ”Steven Spielberg doesn’t do it,” Ms. Press of DreamWorks said. ”Why not? Because he doesn’t need to. He just doesn’t like the process and doesn’t think it can tell him anything he doesn’t know.”
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November 14, 2018 at 2:49 AM
Not sure, An Jo, if this could have prevented anything. From my personal work experience I have found it more effective and prescriptive to adapt to constant customer feedback and changing focus/requirements, when working in RAD iterations (only possible in small scale modularized prototyping projects with a small specialised team), than when working in an Agile environment across verticals in a big project with many teams involved. Both requires different management skills too at different levels with lot of inter-dependencies. So what works for Aamir in his usual AKP productions, may not have yielded proportional results in the biggest bollywood production with a budget of 200 cr under YRF banner.
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November 14, 2018 at 2:42 AM
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November 14, 2018 at 3:33 AM
Excitement unlimited.
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November 14, 2018 at 2:57 AM
If we think logically then it’s pretty obvious what should have happened in ToH.
Khudabaksh needed to die — for real. And he needed a proper (grand) exit that ought to have left its mark.
Firangi would then take over his mantle — leave all the buffoonery behind, along with the duplicitous behavior and lead the revolution against Clive.
That’s what makes sense in a masala universe. Otherwise you’re just watching another David Dhawan tribute to masala.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:01 AM
In another perspective, its a dual tribute to both masala and jack sparrow – which made in jarring to some extent, more alien in my books to a surprised audience.
Its the same case with Aamir’s career and the most consistent line of criticism for him.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:05 AM
If you revisit the film, once Khdabaksh dies (apparently) and passes the amulet to Firangi, he is just using his duplicity to help out in the cause. Its a devious Machiavellian way to get to the target. He just appears to be helping the brits.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:08 AM
At least for me, thats the highlight of the film!
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November 14, 2018 at 3:41 AM
Bingo – this is how simple this film was. Second half – could have had flashbacks of Big B if they wanted him in narrative. But once ‘dead’ he should never have returned. And Firangi should have been a Thug in second half, a bygone era thugish Sanjay Singhania. Not a tattoo lunatic but just some very revengeful version of Azaad.
Hahahaha on David Dhawan.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:53 AM
More like Rowdy Rathore types in second half?
Smart and serious?
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November 14, 2018 at 3:56 AM
If you liked RR, then maybe you can give this a chance. Its similar fun (characterization wise) in a more expensive production with somewhat muted masala elements.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:42 AM
And I will add this bit. Both of Aamir’s characters in SS and TOH are similar in the fact that both come across ‘non-hero’ like (even repulsive to some extent by traition) but actually helps out in the cause more than anyone else. So in that way SS and TOH form a ‘couple’. This maybe one focal reason why both films have been rejected in India. We perhaps cant consume such characters in a mass scale commercial entertainer. Or maybe all the message-oriented films have made it impossible for him to be acceptable in a non-straight role in India?
SS did fine in China. Lets see what TOH does in Jan.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:42 AM
Trending of Satyamshot thread-
ToH BO 1- ToH was getting 400 Cr, Marcus and Sanjana contributed 60% of the comments
ToH BO2 = ToH was getting to 200 Cr, Marcus and Master contributed to 60% of comments
ToH BO 3 – ToH was getting to below 200 Cr, Master Contributed to 60 % of the comments
ToH BO 4 (this one) – ToH was getting below 150 Cr, Saket contributed to 60 % of the comments dissecting the dead body of ToH and Race3.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:48 AM
Not true. Of the last 1000 comments on blog.
Jayshah – 160 (16%)
Master – 117 (12%)
Marcus – 113 (11%)
Krish, Sanjana, Saket & you are yet to hit 💯
Let’s just say I’ve smashed it recently…
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November 14, 2018 at 3:52 AM
I don’t believe Marcus is at 3 (Munna can help to run a sql and get the figures). He has taken leaves and is in supersonic mode since few days. You might be close second along with Saket.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:54 AM
‘supersonic’? Maybe because I am looking forward to watching 2.0 in 14 days … in 3D.
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November 14, 2018 at 3:56 AM
It is finally releasing? 😛
No news except few tweets from the fans?
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November 14, 2018 at 4:04 AM
Every big production is shaken after TOH debacle. They will keep it low i guess, hype wise.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:08 AM
These are official blog stats – not some hocus-pocus BOI data
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November 14, 2018 at 3:45 AM
Another Independence Day Hit booked by Akshay Kumar in 2019.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:04 AM
Akshay Kumar now has a very large production team – 50+ employees in charge of just overlooking the execution of his projects. Currently 4 are in floor and one ready to be announced in 2 months.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:28 AM
Whats the budget of mission mangal? I think doing 2.0 has given him the confidence to take this on.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:32 AM
This is not a big production from what i gather.
More like story around the indomitable spirit of women team members in the Mars Mission, showing their struggles and spirited efforts in the Mars Mission.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:46 AM
Even if a clever script with minimal space scenes, you still need some budget to get the vfx right. Anyways, i guess we will get more details slowly.
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November 14, 2018 at 10:38 AM
honestly Akshay’s patriotism is getting a bit on my nerves. this is not cinema but unnecessary pandering to the government.
btw is it just me or I thought the central idea behind Gold reeks of tastelessness. Opening in 1936 when Germany is on the brink of killings on a grand scale, and we have a movie whose objective is to appease the ego of pseudo patriots who are happy to see India win a gold on its own, because this is what matters to us!
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November 14, 2018 at 4:02 AM
Another Unique box office record by Aamir Khan in Hindi Films:
Highest HOLIDAY opening – #ThugsOfHindostan
Highest NON HOLIDAY opening – #Dhoom3
Highest Lifetime – #Dangal
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November 14, 2018 at 4:14 AM
Star Ranking Male:
No 1: Aamir Khan – He consolidates his No 1 position with a rock solid record opening of ToH. The debacle of ToH has made the Halo around him disappear. I wish he could do a quickie but looks like he has a BIG plan for 2020.
No 2: Salman Khan – After two flops and one hit in last two years, Salman came down to No 2 after Eid this year. His next Eid release will be dangerously placed.
No 3: Ranbir Kapoor – One Sanju and he changed the rankings. Next year Is Bhramastra Part 1. A christmas release.
No 4: Akshay Kumar – He has not given a flop since some time. This could be his saving grace among the top stars. He needs to deliver a biggie now to return to top 3. All eyes on 2point0.
No 5: Ranveer Singh / Ajay Devgn – Ranveer has a Biggie coming Simbaa. Ajay needed a release this year to remain in top 5 by end of this year,
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November 14, 2018 at 4:32 AM
The halo is blown open and the opportunity for redemption is far away. There is no #1. It’s a vacant spot right now. Everyone is fighting for it. Salman/Aamir together. Rest are far behind. Akshay can make a dash for it, even SRK.
The year right now belongs to the small content films. Barring Sanju and Padmaavat, the biggies have failed. 2.0 and Zero IMO will do well. Ranveer Singh might have a breakout year if Simbaa is huge as he already has Padmaavat. Ranbir’s Bhramastra sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. I have little hope for this genre unless Rajamoulli starts a masala school for Bollywood directors. VKA can be his first student.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:50 AM
Just take Aamir out (he himself wont be signing a ‘film’ for sometime). Ranveer is best positioned now.
2.0 will do usual range for Akshay i think (~125 cr nett in hindi), which is good enough.
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November 14, 2018 at 4:37 AM
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November 14, 2018 at 5:15 AM
Tamil + Telugu has surely got affected by Vijay’s Sarkar who is now No 1 star in Tamil Nadu, followed by Ajith.
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November 14, 2018 at 1:41 PM
Tamil + Telugu numbers are just guess work. They can’t be real numbers. 1.5, 1, 0.75, 0.5, 0.4 is just some numbers thrown to show the decline. If a movie makes 75 lakhs on Sunday, it can’t make 50 lakhs on Monday. That’s extraordinary trending. I understand these are low levels and there’s not much to fall but instead of spending time to figure out the real gross they just put apprx gross on their own. I just don’t see 50 lakhs collection worth in dubbed languages on Monday for a rejected movie.
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November 14, 2018 at 1:43 PM
“I just don’t see 50 lakhs collection worth in dubbed languages on Monday for a rejected movie when Diwali next day was 1.5 crores. “
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November 14, 2018 at 4:57 AM
And I agree with this guy’s sentiments:
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You also have to remember that in the past few years, Hollywood films are taking big bites out of our box office, especially these big-budget flicks like The Jungle Book, Jurassic World series and Avengers Infinity War. Why, Avengers Infinity War, released earlier this year, broke into the Rs 200 crore club, something Race 3 and in high probability, Thugs of Hindostan, couldn’t do. So the audiences are really getting their fill of visual spectacles from the ones coming from the West. What they look into our cinema is good storytelling and great entertainment factors. Brilliant VFX should only be enhancer, not the driving force. And certainly not have a hero in a movie that is clearly inspired from Hollywood film!
While I was writing this piece, another Aamir Khan movie, Dangal, kept coming in my mind. Made on a fraction of the budget of TOH, we all know that it is now the highest grossing Indian movie worldwide. Thus, proving my point of the article. Fingers crossed that Aamir Khan has better luck with his rumoured 7-part Mahabharat series. We are rooting for you!
https://www.latestly.com/entertainment/bollywood/opinion-why-aamir-khans-thugs-of-hindostan-failed-when-ss-rajamoulis-baahubali-2-turned-out-to-be-all-time-blockbuster-486744.html
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November 14, 2018 at 5:13 AM
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November 14, 2018 at 8:14 AM
Another drop, 4.25 crore on Tuesday.
https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=4436
I think on Friday, Badhai Ho may collect more than TOH.
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November 14, 2018 at 11:44 PM
Both releases this week Pihu and Bhaiyaaji superhit will be releasing bigger than initially planned and will have a great chance to put some numbers…pihu might surprise…
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November 14, 2018 at 12:31 PM
Arshad Warsi: Munna Bhai will roll out by end of 2019
https://m.mid-day.com/articles/arshad-warsi-munna-bhai-will-roll-out-by-end-of-2019/19971190
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November 14, 2018 at 9:53 PM
On the way to Thugs night show!!
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November 15, 2018 at 3:58 AM
Did you make it out to share your thoughts?
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November 15, 2018 at 6:58 AM
please share your review.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:10 PM
Been really busy after watching. Will jot down few comments . Simply put – Aamir rocks and movie sucks! The movie should have been named ‘Adventures of Firangi Mallah’ with few twist to the current story. Few portions are very well directed but the 2 biggest flaws of the movie are no emotional depth, connectivity and TOO loud background music ruining everything. Even though Aamir is the only good part of the movie(baring him in Suraiyya song which was unwatchable), his presence actually ruined the script. It became too much about Aamir and less about the story it was supposed to tell. Aamir’s character just overshadows the script and that is never a good thing. Like, Prabhas was not number 1 star prior to Baahubali but SS Rajamouli still took him and made the most expensive budgeted movie without worrying about the returns. You can’t take megastar like Chiranjeevi and try to make Baahubali, he’ll simply overshadow the script. So, basically Aamir’s character is great but simply in the wrong movie. There are way too many flaws which I think everyone already pointed but I would like add that editing is not bad at all. I don’t think you would want an epic movie to be around 2 hours, there is not many useless scenes especially on script or paper. The execution was the culprit with no attachment. Apart from Aamir.. no other actor was even given a well defined character. I mean you don’t need to go back in 70’s to get basics right.. even recently Baahubali made sure that all characters are well written. You can’t just flush out 1 character and expect movie to do wonders at boxoffice. If anyone watches just 5 mins of movie and watch the Manzoor-e-Khuda song and you’ll figure out that this movie will flop. That is one of the cringing songs out there.
All the antics done by Aamir’s character are good to watch but it hardly adds anything to the story. Its like the ball is already in the air and Aamir is running very hard to make as many runs possible and in twice the speed. But dude, if that ball is caught, your running is gonna be waste and not useful for the team. Samething happened. All his side antics and flipping will go waste if the movie’s main story doesn’t work.
Overall not the worst movie ever made but if people don’t like it completely, it’ll flop and nothing could have saved it. Just wasted one of Aamir’s good characters in this movie.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:13 PM
Btw, I went with few folks and couple of them called it worst movie of their lives and I’ve been debating with them to say its not that bad. It might be hard for people on here to believe that, Lol.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:15 PM
They might not have seen HNY.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:52 PM
Worst movie ever? I’ve seen plenty of worse films in cinema and most tend to be with Salman. Hello Brother, Chal Mere Bhai, Dulhan Hum Le Jayenge, geez that list could go on.
I feel sorry for TOH in this sense. The very extreme reactions are or can only be linked by very gargantuan expectations. It’s just not that bad a film, maybe more boring than bad.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:19 PM
Thanks for pointing out the BGM. I was a fan of it in trailer but here practically every seen has some background to it which really is not required and stank the film up everywhere. And don’t get me started on that song. Suraiyya is good for Katrina but the other one is a real wtf moment.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:49 PM
I’m not a fan of Baahubali at all. I can’t come to terms with its excessive melodrama. But at least it’s tonally consistent. It’s not a loud joke played out at the audience’s expense.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:57 PM
Bahubali is unbelievably excessive melodrama but it’s so good! The historinics are everything those Indian TV serial promise to be but aren’t. I still haven’t sat through one episode of a TV serial. Bahubali I’ve seen twice now (both) and could easily watch again.
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November 15, 2018 at 2:07 AM
https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=4439
Surprising to see BOI saying 30cr opening for robot is possible
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November 15, 2018 at 8:15 AM
Pihu Movie Review: Pihu Myra Vishwakarma Will Steal The Heart Through Your Mouth!
https://www.koimoi.com/reviews/pihu-movie-review-pihu-myra-vishwakarma-will-steal-the-heart-through-your-mouth/
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November 15, 2018 at 10:01 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha ……….
https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/1062948913991311360
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November 15, 2018 at 12:00 PM
Here is the article:
https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/thugs-on-the-silver-screen-critics-5446892/
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November 15, 2018 at 11:11 AM
Hollywood’s Biggest Risks: 20 Daring Studio Films From the Last 15 Years.
Hollywood studios have become so dependent on comic book films and mind-numbing tentpoles over the last decade that any time a major studio release breaks the mold it’s something of a miracle. Many of these bold titles released just before 2008 are the last of their kind (here’s looking at you, “Children of Men”), while those released this decade are a silver lining in a crowded field of uninspired blockbusters. Click through the gallery for 20 studio releases over the last 15 years that prove Hollywood hasn’t completely lost its groove just yet.
https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/20-most-daring-hollywood-studio-movies/#!3/arrival-film-2016-2/
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November 15, 2018 at 12:00 PM
One record TOH will probably legitimately hold for a very long time tomorrow is the biggest ever loss of screens on one single day ever!
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November 15, 2018 at 2:17 PM
Proves the saying “the bigger they are, the harder they fall”…
Didn’t YRF bought the right of Zero for India or Foreign?
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November 15, 2018 at 12:32 PM
Quite a day for UK politics. I thought May was just about to resign but she hasn’t. Brexit is basically brexshit at this stage.
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November 15, 2018 at 1:12 PM
yes incredible news cycle at your end!
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November 15, 2018 at 1:21 PM
Even Geoffrey Boycott got a shout out from the PM.
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November 15, 2018 at 1:24 PM
didn’t see that!
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November 15, 2018 at 3:21 PM
I thought the home secretary character in Bodyguard was inspired by May? The lead actor is in contention to play the next Bond!
Anyways, caught up with it recently and liked it quite a lot. The opening episode was absolutely dynamite. Pun intended!
But, and a big but at that, it’s not a patch on Sherlock. How I wish Mike Gatiss comes out with a new season for fans like me. It’s probably my second favorite series from Britain after Wolf Hall.
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November 15, 2018 at 3:23 PM
The Game, Only Fools & Horses & The Inbetweeners follow very closely.
Quite liked Gunpowder as well.
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November 15, 2018 at 3:28 PM
Only Fools and Horses is immortal. My favourite TV show ever! Nothing is a patch on it.
Bodyguard I liked a lot but I feel it was a less toned down but grittier version of Homeland.
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November 15, 2018 at 3:32 PM
You should definitely watch Sherlock. It’s crazy but I can’t get enough of it.
I wasn’t aware that its rating on IMDb is 9.2! It’s at the very top in terms of ratings. I’m actually quite stunned.
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November 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM
The thing is, I’m a big Sherlock Holmes fan. Have read all the books, some graphic novels and was quite a fan of the Granada series featuring Jeremy Brett. Hell, I even watched Robert Downey Jr. play a bizarro Holmes in the Hollywood adaptation.
And I had my apprehensions about this series as well. I wasn’t a fan of the first episode. I thought they were trying to be too clever — Holmes with his sarcastic wit and Watson, the broken-from-inside war veteran. But I was wrong. Very wrong.
This series isn’t about Holmes, the detective at all. He solves crimes, while referencing all of Conan Doyle’s classic stories (even falls in love with Irene Adler aka The Woman) but this isn’t a detective series at all. It’s a full-blown psycho-analytical study of Sherlock Holmes, the character. As seen through his relationship with Watson, his brother Mycroft (Gatiss himself) and Moriarty. It has some wonderful imagery, literally getting inside Holmes’ head at multiple times — capturing his fears, his frailty and his deepest emotions. Some of the sequences are deeply hypnotic and they have nothing to do with solving crimes.
It greatly helps that both Martin Freeman (Watson) and Cumberbatch (Holmes) have completely nailed their parts. Nothing less to be expected from British actors anyway!
A masterpiece, in every sense of the word.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:03 PM
Can’t say Sherlock Holmes has ever interested me in any format. What kind of cases is he solving?
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November 15, 2018 at 4:11 PM
Literally everything from murder to Gothic ghosts to a psychotic arch-nemesis called Moriarty. Wouldn’t want to give away everything but the final few seasons where people were pissed off with all the psycho-analysis are my favorite ones.
What people don’t realize is that each episode is building up towards its grand finale. A completely absurd plot perhaps but freaking emotional.
This is masala done right. With Lassi to boot. No wonder I want more!
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November 15, 2018 at 4:21 PM
Interesting. It’s sounds like a bit of X Files so I might check it out. Without Gillian Anderson it’s going to have to be epic to keep me interested.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:25 PM
Each episode is like a film. Most of them are 90 mins long.
I’m stunned you’ve not seen a single episode yet! This is the series that launched both Cumberbatch and Freeman’s Hollywood careers.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:33 PM
Certain iconic shows have never interested me. Sherlock, Doctor Who or Star Trek. Probably many others. Just haven’t been struck by them. I’ll give it a go for sure. I’m quite new to the TV series addiction. Cherry picking what I watch, needs to be mutually convenient for the wife too.
And she’s got atrocious taste. Stuff like Geordie Shore what not. So X Files was the first ice breaker.
90 minutes is a bit too long.
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November 15, 2018 at 4:36 PM
This is masala, Jay. It’s got something for everyone. Everyone!
Well, not song and dance for a Desi audience. If it has another season, it just might have that too…
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November 15, 2018 at 3:52 PM
Right now I’m head stuck into The Haunting of Hill House. Watching an episode a night. An absolute clinic in atmospheric, personal turmoil. It’s not horror or scary horror just very chilling and emotionally charged.
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November 15, 2018 at 6:49 PM
A shout out to Sherlock. Huge fan here. I didn’t like Dr Watson’s wife angle too much in the series but everything else works wonderfully in the mordern context, while retaining the essence of Sherlock. Cumberbitches are delighted to see him in this avatar (The most glorious and elusive society for the appreciation of the high cheekboned, blue eyed sexbomb that is Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch)
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November 15, 2018 at 2:22 PM
What’s your take on Brexit?
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November 15, 2018 at 3:26 PM
I was very agnostic at first as I think change is something to embrace but here I think the entire premise of the referendum was false. Naysayers didn’t understand what they were voting themselves out of. So today I would vote to stay in as I did last time.
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November 15, 2018 at 3:26 PM
What’s your take on Brexit?
The ‘take’ is that both UK and EU want to only take — they don’t want to ‘give.’
Hence the exit.
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