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What a trailer! Riteish is the surprise packet. Tiger is going to maximise his gain from War.
The scale is looking biger than War which is no mean achievement. Actually to give equal.footage to Hrithik, Tiger was made.to go.slow.
No such drawbacks here and Tiger is looking phenomenal and Baaghi 3 is looking like a Rambo level in trailer.
Equal footage to Hrithik in War? Lol, you sound more ridiculous with each post. Tiger himself has confessed on more than 2 occasions that his inspiration, guru and model has been HR himself. War was a one man dominated show. The entry scene itself was enough proof. Baaghi 3 is retrograde trash that makes TZH seem refined and Spielberg like. Live with it!
The history remembers those who are still relevant.
Like the less relevant fathers are now becoming more relevant because of their kids popularity. The older trash of few stars are still get talked about in better light now because those stars are still around, etc.
If Tiger keeps doing movies like this, he would even get away with media calling War his own success. This would be unfair to Hrithik but that’s how it is.
“If Tiger keeps doing movies like this, he would even get away with media calling War his own success.” – as much as you desperately want that to happen, it ain’t anywhere close. Tiger was a supporting actor in War while the lead had the media branding him as a national crush, most handsome man & what not. If War 2 is ever made, Tiger would not even be part of it. Tiger’s only achievement in War is he didn’t make a complete fool of himself like AB did in Dhoom 2, thanks to his agility & stunts (although in the dance number he surely seemed a junior artist) Someone needs to use brains before their fingers & that’s definitely not me!
Indian masses like action with dhishoom dhishoom, not bang bang with guns and bombs. anyways, makers have ensured lot of dhishoom dhishoom gadar style where sunny paaji creates havoc in pakistan.
Whack, smack, attack bullshit. The scene saying ‘This March’ and followed by shot of Tiger running is actually of me running as far away from any theatre showing Baaghi 3
In the 80s, you had Van Damme, Stallone, Segal, etc. That’s the market that Tiger is going for now – not a bad idea, but these are very disposable films at best. However, good action scripts are hard to find even in Hollywood, so you can’t blame the guy.
Tiger’s ridiculously athletic and more could be done with his physical skills. These films are so bad. Just make something like Taken or Bond with him. This physical action is really wasted, Bollywood has no clue how to make such a movie interesting.
There aren’t enough makers to even use HR’s stardom, popularity & body language effectively beyond silly films like Dhoom 2 & Bang Bang and slightly better War (even this went haywire), effectively using someone like Tiger whose pretty much cardboard beyond his action & dance skills is a far shot.
Van Damme, Stallone, Segal, etc. all wooden actors. Comparing that generation to some awesome action thrillers like MI series, Taken, Bourne series, Bond or any number of Denzel Washington films since noughties- the quality is up. Bollywood’s bar is too low but you’re right you need the right directors not likes of who we have. I would not mind copying a good film like Taken scene for scene instead the shit Bollywood regularly dishes out by trying to be original.
What pisses me off more is likes of Kadel and Jaiswals going orgasmic over these trailers. Nothing will get better till people actually want better movies. Tiger is not a good actor but at least do something interesting with your skills.
These movies make Don series (the Farhan ones) seem like masterpieces.
I have seen many of the Segal,Van Damme movies and they have decent story line and good screenplay. I don’t find that even in very good rated Hindi movies (all genres). I can deal with wooden acting in action movies but you need something which is tolerable for screenplay.
Yes. I missed that 80s phase by in large, came in at end with Die Hard but again a great repeatable watch. I don’t think it’s much after 30 freaking years of Stallone etc that Bollywood can’t get 1 film right here. Even now Stallone is in better films like Escape Plan.
“effectively using someone like Tiger whose pretty much cardboard beyond his action & dance skills is a far shot.”
Lol, you sound more ridiculous with each post. The jealousy factor is on its prime. Hrithik cannot do the stunts and is less athletic. Hrithik in Baaghi series would make it a snoozefest. You need a fast, athletic, agile, no nonsense person like Tiger.
Well good that he’s not done any of this B grade masala junk for front benchers anyways, something that Rowdy Rathore like you fans might seem to relish. As for Tiger being a fan of HR, not my problem if you haven’t him mention the same publicly on multiple occasions.
Its neither jealousy (I have nothing to lose even if Tiger becomes India’s Jackie Chan) nor corrosive fanaticism like your’s. Its plain fact check. Its not my problem if the audience hoots & roots only for 1 performer out of the 2 in an actioner like War. Not my problem if the director & producer considered Tiger to be a disposable asset for the War franchise and certainly not my problem if the film became the highest grosser despite the absence of 1 market & stiff challenge in the A1 centers from an Oscar nominated Hollywood blockbuster. Its plain fact check. I’ll be more than happy for Tiger to delivers hits but the Baaghi films are nothing more than retrograde single screen appeasing mindless masala junk that someone of Tiger’s skills can do without unless he’s finding nothing else to work on.
TigerShroff is the best Action hero from all next Superstar League…
🤜#Baaghi series become Super Hit due to his Action only.
👉No Big Director, Other next Superstar League Actors like Hrithik need big director or big film 4 giving blockbuster, This is main difference
Extremely wonderful rationality. So Tiger’s>HR by your logic now? Anyone else? Varun? Sid? Would love to see Tiger give his wooden expressions & lizard agility in films like Super 30, Znmd, JA & KMG 👏
I think we are giving Hollywood too much credit…the first Taken was fun, but still a very standard script. The sequels are absolutely horrible. Fast and Furious movies (except Fast 5 which is awesome) are no better than this Baaghi stuff.
As for Bond, Casino Royale is the only ‘great’ Bond film made in recent times….Spectre was just terrible, and Skyfall, although beautifully shot, often made no sense, and had huge plot holes (even for a Bond film) that critics just ignored.
I do like the Denzel ‘Equalizer’ movies a lot, but again the scripts are nothing great.
The reason why this trailer is getting overwhelming response is because we do not have anyone who can do action like Tiger, and there is surely a fanbase/market for this.
Vidyut, who can do similar action, never got the support he deserved which just goes on to show that despite talent unless you are Shroff/Roshan you will not get that big entry. Yes that big entry is important and Vidyut is losing his best years because of lack of that BIG entry.
Hrithik is basically now only relying on this genre if we see his last 3-4 choices and probably the next ones. He is less athletic than Tiger/Vidyut and cannot do similar stunts but he more than makes it up with his ‘better’ acting and dance. But he does so few films his talent is on show piece most of the time.
Apart from these three, Salman has tried this genre in Tiger Zinda Hai and has been most successful. But again his physicality doesn’t allow him to do those stunts.
Going to the past:
I know many would not get impressed but action stunts are still the biggest draw in India. I remember Dharmendra/Amitabh having a separate fan base just because they used to do stunts themselves. Their action sequences usually were the best when it came. Public notices these things.
In 90’s Akshay/Sunil/Ajay did some pretty amazing stunts and one still remembers those. But they never got the directors/story tellers. Hence one doesn’t remember those movies but certainly the action clips still goes round in social media for action starved audience.
Same is happening now. We need action directors/ story tellers and a bit more budget to not get the feel of “seen this before in a hollywood film”.
My full marks to Tiger for doing something which others cannot.
Also in hard core actioners, one requires the star to not show emotions. The no expression/ wooden face makes the audience in theatre believe that they mean real business. The emotional bit has to run in undercurrent which is why a strong story teller/director is needed in this genre.
The wooden expression is actually the reason why Arnold or Syl got so successful. But they got amazing directors/story in their movie which when combined with their no nonsense look, the entire unbelievable action became just more believable. They came across as believable when they will get up after getting knocked down with zero expression.
At least respect your own fantasy star Akshay Kumar’s Baby, perhaps the best action thriller from Hindi cinema since Jewel Thief! Didn’t see any wooden expressionless mummies in there & nor was it a brain numbing third class retrograde junk like Bodyguard, Rowdy Rathore or the Baaghi & Commando films.
Actually I am one of the few who feel nepotism oy takes you so far. Look at Anil’s (a much bigger star than Jackie right now) son – he thinks he is Naseerudin Shah from his first movie and his career is going nowhere. And there are many more examples.
Vidyut’s looks are a bit old imo. Tiger looks way more boyish and connects with the younger crowd. He is also an excellent dancer which also works to his favour.
Does he have a long career? Probably not – people will get tired of this stuff after a while unless he starts selecting better scripts.
Sure after all talent does matter. But a 3-4 years onboarding which includes doing several roles / petty films is needed for new comer before they get a film which is usually the film a Shroff/Roshan stars with.
Of course if you are talented then you take off either ways. No one could have stopped Tiger or Hrithik even if they had started ordinary. But yes instant stardom is unlikely.
On Anil’s son..i think Anil should have worked upon his son’s launch. Ditto for Amitabh. If the fathers don’t work on their kid’s launch they don’t prosper. One failure and their is little chance.
Not correct for Salim Khan otherwise MPK would have been Salman’s first movie. Salim even shown his disappointment after biwi ho tu aisi premier.
Include Sunil Dutt, Feroze khan, Vinod Khanna in list of supporting fathers
Salim Khan was instrumental in getting Salman the role in.MPK. In one of his interviews he said that he was not happy with Salman’s debut as a cameo. So he called all his friends and well wishers including Barjatyas. Luckily Barjatyas were then looking for a new star cast to launch the career of their youngest son Sooraj Barjatya. Salman bagged the role as Salim’s Saab call got him to audition.
Salman Also landed in several movies thanks to his father.
At several stage in his life, Salim Khan has come as advisor and guide proving himself to be a major reason for Salman’s success.
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye…Naveen…
Whatever next? It seems any superstar except Akshay Kumar has some timbuktu reasons for his/her success yet you fell in love with Akshay Kumar for honourable reasons! Please confirm whether you are sober when writing such nonsense. It could be true that Salman got his break due to his superstar writer dad, very likely, likewise Hrithik/Aamir due to father/uncle or whatever but they are where they are now after some 20 or 30+ years…the ship has sailed, the cows are home…history lesson most of us know.
On 16th Jan 2020
No 1 Akshay Kumar – Had a historic 2019 after a fabulous 2016-2018. All eyes on his next.
No 2 Salman Khan – His films are still getting bumper openings. He just need to get that one superhit.
No 3 Hrithik Roshan – Had a career changing year in 2019. From No where in 2018 to Top 3 by end of 2019. Needs to do a quickie and get a release in 2020.
No 4 Ajay Devgn – Superhit success of Tanhaji + fantastic run since last few years
No 5 Ranveer Singh – He has slipped two positions since last 6 months due to zero release and competition doing better.
No 6 – Ayushmann Khurana – The hit machine. He is all set to enter top 5 in 2020 if all goes as good as 2018-19 for him. He is now a star.
No 7 Tiger Shroff – His lineup in 2019 includes Baaghi 3 which can be his War of 2020.
No 8 Aamir Khan – The Santa will return this Christmas. Enough of 300 Cr targets.
No 9 Ranbir Kapoor – No one now remembers when Sanju released. He is in hibernation. Potentially a huge star like Aamir Khan.
No 10
John Abraham – He is steady. Needs some miracle to enter Top 5 Varun Dhawan – Kalank tanked. Can he rise with next week’s release?
Now
NO 1 AKSHAYKUMAR
NO 2 AJAY DEVGN
NO 3 SALMAN KHAN
NO 4 HRITHIK ROSHAN
NO 5 AAYUSHMANN KHURANA
NO 6 RANVEER SINGH
NO 7 TIGER SHROFF
NO 8 SHAHID KAPUR
NO 9 RANBIR KAPOOR / AAMIR KHAN
NO 10 AARYAN KARTHIK
Your rankings change literally for every star daily (with no notable event in between) now EXCEPT Sir/Prince/King/PM/Lord Akshay Kumar! At least keep track of your own nonsense!
I can’t keep up nor can you. What we know is no matter what you will keep Akshay Kumar as #1 and I said the very day you started ranking some 3 years back your end game was for Akshay Kumar to get to 1. So it’s a waste of everyone’s time if all you intend to do is twist everything to suit this end goal. WE GET IT!
“people will get tired of this stuff after a while ”
IMO, As long as he is the only one doing (which i think is likely to happen), he will keep getting success. When it gets crowded, other stars come in doing this genre, he has to move on.
John actually is trying to enter this genre. Sid Malhotra too. Not sure if they can succeed like Tiger jiske naam mein hi action hai.
“Hrithik is basically now only relying on this genre if we see his last 3-4 choices and probably the next ones.” – yes Super 30 was a mindless actioner for the front benchers. Talk about sounding drunk or ridiculous!
Super30 is an outlier and Hrithik really laboured here. Dont think this is his comfortable genre.
Super 30 might remain the only different and successful movie in Hrithik’s career. He did get a decent opening though and at par with what AAyushmann usually gets on a non holiday release and similar budget movie. Aayushmaan of course have given several hits and has 100% track record whereas Hrithik has less than 25% in movies of similar budget and genre.
HR has delivered bigger blockbusters in the action genre with Krrish, Krrish 3, Dhoom 2, KNPH & War than what Tiger or even Akshay ever has in his entire career. End of the story!
Anyway there is no competition between Hrithik and Akshay now. No point in discussing as there are two more stars doing better than Hrithik – Ajay and Salman thought Salman has some danger if Hrithik comes with a movie soon enough and continues from where he ended 2019.
Yes completely agreed, HR has never tried his hands at comedy while Akshay has a lot of forgettable puny hits in the slapstick trash genre like Phir Hera Pheri, Welcome & the Housefull films, none of which created or broke records despite being franchise films.
“Anyway there is no competition between Hrithik and Akshay now. No point in discussing as there are two more stars doing better than Hrithik” – Just like megastar Kartik Aryan is doing better than small time star of Ghayal, Border & Gadar Sunny Deol. HR has given enough hits & records to last him a lifetime. Neither does he seem to be interested in any rat race (the days of fudging madness are a distant past) & nor should you be obsessed with ratings & rankings. Just sit back, relax & enjoy films as a movie fan. That’s what counts most.
ALERT : If Baaghi 3 is superhit then Tiger will move ahead of Hrithik Roshan in the current star ranking.
Aayushmaan is also set to overtake Hrithik. Consistency powers over hughlight performance.
Hrithik is currently no 4 after Akshay, Ajay Devgn and Salman Khan. Tiger is no 7.
NO 1 AKSHAYKUMAR
NO 2 AJAY DEVGN
NO 3 SALMAN KHAN
NO 4 HRITHIK ROSHAN
NO 5 AAYUSHMANN KHURANA
NO 6 RANVEER SINGH
NO 7 TIGER SHROFF
NO 8 SHAHID KAPUR
NO 9 RANBIR KAPOOR / AAMIR KHAN
NO 10 AARYAN KARTHIK
Jayshah -” Ajay is 2 now from 4
Salman 3 from 2…etc”
Of course because Tanhaji is a Blockbuster. So he moves up. I mean only in a stale fanatic mind will ranking remain same despite other stars doing better.
I mean if Ajay was No 4 on 16 Jan (Tanhaji just looking to be a superhit) how can he become No 2 on 8 Feb (when it is a bonafine bloclbuster) is your logic then I must say you have lost it.
Why is Ajay then not No 1?
Because Ajay’s De De Pyaar de underperformed and in the same genre Akshay gave a superhit in Good Newwz. And Ajay was not the top 3 star of 2019 whereas Akshay was No 1 star by a distance.
Ranveer from 5 to 6? Did his 83 posters not take your fancy?
Shahid swoops into 8 to displace Aamir? Maybe you got pissed at BP moving dates so Aamir moved down and you saw Kabir Singh again so Shahid got a blockbuster and moved in?
Karthik’s Love Aaj Kal trailer drops and he displaces John at 10?
This is not diatribe- it’s an AUDIT of your nonsense of sham list!
Jayshah- “Your rankings change literally for every star daily (with no notable event in between) now EXCEPT Sir/Prince/King/PM/Lord Akshay Kumar! At least keep track of your own nonsense!”
Ok so the real cause of frustration is this. Reminds me of the real.reason why folks at Shaleen Bagh are protesting.
Sometimes I feel that being hypocrite is better. Don’t reveal.your liking and keep calling others a fanatic while being the biggest at that. But that would be others not me. Using my forthcoming opinion to shoot the ranking will flop like Panga.
Since I started the ranking in 2014, Akshay has features outside top 3 for.long, entered top.bandNo3 in 2018, Became No 1 in late 2018. Then I thought he would be there for few months but he has doing better than others. So.see little reason to get him out.
Naveen’s love and biased views on Akshay is not really appreciated by the members here. If it weren’t for Naveen, Akshay would have been more appreciated by me, Marcus, Jay Shah, Shivaay on this forum, I think.
I don’t understand why we deny the goodness of liking a star? Let’s not undermine it and also over estimate to the extent that we change our person choices to all others stars.
Yup. Baby & Airlift were 2 of my favorite movies of the last decade after Dangal, Kahaani, Tumbbad & Bahubali 1. In fact Akshay’s quite a favorite of mine alongside Aamir, HR & Ajay. Which is no ways implies that fanaticism takes over rationality & logic.
“Super 30 might remain the only different and successful movie in Hrithik’s career.” – Yes. Koi Mil Gaya, Jodha Akbar & Znmd were box office disasters. Or were you not born back then? Seems like it from your juvenile talk when you rate Khurana, a guy with zero 1 cr+ footfall films higher than a superstar with 4 highest annual grossers, 6 films with 2 cr+ footfalls & 4 record openings solely because the superstar in question “chooses” not to sign too many films (since he’s already a millionaire!) & prioritizes personal health & family over professional work. I may as well rate Anupam Kher, Paresh Rawal & Alok Nath Hindi cinema’s biggest superstars based on number of movies & hit count.
Super 30 is the only middle class drama he did. I think i meant more in that context.
I forgot JA. Films like Jodha Akbar are easy to forget now after Baahubali which demonstrated the strength of JA. I remember you or someone similar to your ideology used to argue in Naachgaana that JA is a difficult genre and that it would be difficult to reach that scale of success. Of course others forget. I remember to hound.
You mentioned “different”. Knph, Kmg, JA, Znmd & S30 are different as chalk & cheese, all of which are successful at various levels with some of them even being record/highest annual grossers. The only “similar” one’s are D2, Bang Bang & War & the 2 Krrish films within which once again 3 are record openers and/or highest annual grossers.
Akshay’s so called Super Hit & his biggest since 2012, HF4 is at par with HR’s Agneepath if adjusted for inflation. Agneepath is not even among HR’s top 5 among his 22 odd films. Fact check!
As 4 people are wrongly framing me to advocate only Akshay then i should put the record straight.
They are mostly right. I do but rarely at the cost of other stars. Not an approach followed by any of the four. These four try to upgrade their star at the cost of others/their films. I usually do not do. Sometimes i do to give a tit for tat. I like doing tit for tat. Makes the forum interesting otherwise it will just be theoretical site.
I have been advocating Hrithik and Aamir Khan more than anyone else in this forum. On Aamir, Yes collectively Jayshah + Marcus + Tonymontata + Aamirfans + 6,7 wise chosen members, they appear jointly doing it. But individually i still like Aamir more than each.
On Hrithik, I think Shivaay does more. I am sometimes a bit harsh on him. Because while i think Aamir is 5-6 more movies, and one cannot do much on Hrithik i want him to do 30 more movies. And looking at the impossibility, my frustration ends up in replying to Shivaay in the same language. He is KRKish for me. Difficult to ignore. However i know if we meet, we will become good friends.
Many a times I wonder if you are actually an Akshay hater disguised as a fan. So you can derive pleasure from the Akshay bashing by others. Either ways, you are asking for it.
Artists do not choose or act on your whims & fancies mate. You gotta make the most of whatever you get & watch. Better to cherish what comes your way, be it Dangal, War, Kesari or Tanhaji than hope & get pissed off when expectations aren’t met & indulge in unwarranted bias & fanaticism.
I repeat, i do not make endless rants or spammy comments for 1 artist, even if there’s a partial bias towards HR, Ajay or Aamir in a lot of my comments. And nor do i believe in temporary, weekly ratings as imo stardom is a long term process that takes years to establish & decades to sustain & can only be estimated by all time records, initials & inflation adjusted all time collections as a true yardstick.
Tiger doesn’t seem to have improved at all in acting department since his debut. He is so bland even in dialogue deliveries. Let’s see till when he can survive with such acting and jumping abilities.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:29 AM
What a trailer! Riteish is the surprise packet. Tiger is going to maximise his gain from War.
The scale is looking biger than War which is no mean achievement. Actually to give equal.footage to Hrithik, Tiger was made.to go.slow.
No such drawbacks here and Tiger is looking phenomenal and Baaghi 3 is looking like a Rambo level in trailer.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:31 AM
A War like release date (Luckiest release) would have taken Baaghi3 to 350 cr. Now a 250 cr+ is certain.
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February 6, 2020 at 3:01 PM
Equal footage to Hrithik in War? Lol, you sound more ridiculous with each post. Tiger himself has confessed on more than 2 occasions that his inspiration, guru and model has been HR himself. War was a one man dominated show. The entry scene itself was enough proof. Baaghi 3 is retrograde trash that makes TZH seem refined and Spielberg like. Live with it!
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February 6, 2020 at 6:02 PM
And you sound desperate to me all the time. 😀
Why not take a deep breath everytime and make your brains work before making your fingers do.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:07 PM
There is an irony with history.
The history remembers those who are still relevant.
Like the less relevant fathers are now becoming more relevant because of their kids popularity. The older trash of few stars are still get talked about in better light now because those stars are still around, etc.
If Tiger keeps doing movies like this, he would even get away with media calling War his own success. This would be unfair to Hrithik but that’s how it is.
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February 7, 2020 at 1:45 AM
“If Tiger keeps doing movies like this, he would even get away with media calling War his own success.” – as much as you desperately want that to happen, it ain’t anywhere close. Tiger was a supporting actor in War while the lead had the media branding him as a national crush, most handsome man & what not. If War 2 is ever made, Tiger would not even be part of it. Tiger’s only achievement in War is he didn’t make a complete fool of himself like AB did in Dhoom 2, thanks to his agility & stunts (although in the dance number he surely seemed a junior artist) Someone needs to use brains before their fingers & that’s definitely not me!
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February 6, 2020 at 6:55 AM
This looks like a B-grade Stallone film. But indian masses can take this to 200 cr.
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February 6, 2020 at 9:15 AM
Indian masses like action with dhishoom dhishoom, not bang bang with guns and bombs. anyways, makers have ensured lot of dhishoom dhishoom gadar style where sunny paaji creates havoc in pakistan.
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February 6, 2020 at 3:03 PM
We witnessed the fate of Dabangg 3 recently. I doubt this will do much more. Tiger’s repetitive because perhaps this is the only avatar he knows.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:07 PM
“I doubt this will do much more” Lol, you sound more ridiculous with each post.
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February 6, 2020 at 7:56 AM
Whack, smack, attack bullshit. The scene saying ‘This March’ and followed by shot of Tiger running is actually of me running as far away from any theatre showing Baaghi 3
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February 6, 2020 at 3:40 PM
In the 80s, you had Van Damme, Stallone, Segal, etc. That’s the market that Tiger is going for now – not a bad idea, but these are very disposable films at best. However, good action scripts are hard to find even in Hollywood, so you can’t blame the guy.
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February 6, 2020 at 3:57 PM
Tiger’s ridiculously athletic and more could be done with his physical skills. These films are so bad. Just make something like Taken or Bond with him. This physical action is really wasted, Bollywood has no clue how to make such a movie interesting.
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February 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM
There aren’t enough makers to even use HR’s stardom, popularity & body language effectively beyond silly films like Dhoom 2 & Bang Bang and slightly better War (even this went haywire), effectively using someone like Tiger whose pretty much cardboard beyond his action & dance skills is a far shot.
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February 6, 2020 at 4:14 PM
Van Damme, Stallone, Segal, etc. all wooden actors. Comparing that generation to some awesome action thrillers like MI series, Taken, Bourne series, Bond or any number of Denzel Washington films since noughties- the quality is up. Bollywood’s bar is too low but you’re right you need the right directors not likes of who we have. I would not mind copying a good film like Taken scene for scene instead the shit Bollywood regularly dishes out by trying to be original.
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February 6, 2020 at 4:21 PM
What pisses me off more is likes of Kadel and Jaiswals going orgasmic over these trailers. Nothing will get better till people actually want better movies. Tiger is not a good actor but at least do something interesting with your skills.
These movies make Don series (the Farhan ones) seem like masterpieces.
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February 6, 2020 at 4:49 PM
I have seen many of the Segal,Van Damme movies and they have decent story line and good screenplay. I don’t find that even in very good rated Hindi movies (all genres). I can deal with wooden acting in action movies but you need something which is tolerable for screenplay.
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February 6, 2020 at 4:57 PM
Yes. I missed that 80s phase by in large, came in at end with Die Hard but again a great repeatable watch. I don’t think it’s much after 30 freaking years of Stallone etc that Bollywood can’t get 1 film right here. Even now Stallone is in better films like Escape Plan.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:11 PM
“These movies make Don series (the Farhan ones) seem like masterpieces.”
you are then not made for actioners. 😀
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February 6, 2020 at 6:10 PM
“effectively using someone like Tiger whose pretty much cardboard beyond his action & dance skills is a far shot.”
Lol, you sound more ridiculous with each post. The jealousy factor is on its prime. Hrithik cannot do the stunts and is less athletic. Hrithik in Baaghi series would make it a snoozefest. You need a fast, athletic, agile, no nonsense person like Tiger.
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February 7, 2020 at 1:17 AM
Well good that he’s not done any of this B grade masala junk for front benchers anyways, something that Rowdy Rathore like you fans might seem to relish. As for Tiger being a fan of HR, not my problem if you haven’t him mention the same publicly on multiple occasions.
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February 7, 2020 at 4:56 AM
Its neither jealousy (I have nothing to lose even if Tiger becomes India’s Jackie Chan) nor corrosive fanaticism like your’s. Its plain fact check. Its not my problem if the audience hoots & roots only for 1 performer out of the 2 in an actioner like War. Not my problem if the director & producer considered Tiger to be a disposable asset for the War franchise and certainly not my problem if the film became the highest grosser despite the absence of 1 market & stiff challenge in the A1 centers from an Oscar nominated Hollywood blockbuster. Its plain fact check. I’ll be more than happy for Tiger to delivers hits but the Baaghi films are nothing more than retrograde single screen appeasing mindless masala junk that someone of Tiger’s skills can do without unless he’s finding nothing else to work on.
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February 7, 2020 at 7:10 PM
TigerShroff is the best Action hero from all next Superstar League…
🤜#Baaghi series become Super Hit due to his Action only.
👉No Big Director, Other next Superstar League Actors like Hrithik need big director or big film 4 giving blockbuster, This is main difference
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February 7, 2020 at 7:25 PM
Extremely wonderful rationality. So Tiger’s>HR by your logic now? Anyone else? Varun? Sid? Would love to see Tiger give his wooden expressions & lizard agility in films like Super 30, Znmd, JA & KMG 👏
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February 6, 2020 at 5:16 PM
I think we are giving Hollywood too much credit…the first Taken was fun, but still a very standard script. The sequels are absolutely horrible. Fast and Furious movies (except Fast 5 which is awesome) are no better than this Baaghi stuff.
As for Bond, Casino Royale is the only ‘great’ Bond film made in recent times….Spectre was just terrible, and Skyfall, although beautifully shot, often made no sense, and had huge plot holes (even for a Bond film) that critics just ignored.
I do like the Denzel ‘Equalizer’ movies a lot, but again the scripts are nothing great.
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February 6, 2020 at 5:51 PM
Even Hollywood has not been able to carve another Rocky, Die Hard or Rambo or Terminator 2 till date. Those are all time classic.
Similarly, the Jackie Chan/BruceLee/ Jet Li era is also unrepeatable in Chinese movie.
Much has to do with SFX now becoming bigger than the stars.
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February 6, 2020 at 5:46 PM
The reason why this trailer is getting overwhelming response is because we do not have anyone who can do action like Tiger, and there is surely a fanbase/market for this.
Vidyut, who can do similar action, never got the support he deserved which just goes on to show that despite talent unless you are Shroff/Roshan you will not get that big entry. Yes that big entry is important and Vidyut is losing his best years because of lack of that BIG entry.
Hrithik is basically now only relying on this genre if we see his last 3-4 choices and probably the next ones. He is less athletic than Tiger/Vidyut and cannot do similar stunts but he more than makes it up with his ‘better’ acting and dance. But he does so few films his talent is on show piece most of the time.
Apart from these three, Salman has tried this genre in Tiger Zinda Hai and has been most successful. But again his physicality doesn’t allow him to do those stunts.
Going to the past:
I know many would not get impressed but action stunts are still the biggest draw in India. I remember Dharmendra/Amitabh having a separate fan base just because they used to do stunts themselves. Their action sequences usually were the best when it came. Public notices these things.
In 90’s Akshay/Sunil/Ajay did some pretty amazing stunts and one still remembers those. But they never got the directors/story tellers. Hence one doesn’t remember those movies but certainly the action clips still goes round in social media for action starved audience.
Same is happening now. We need action directors/ story tellers and a bit more budget to not get the feel of “seen this before in a hollywood film”.
My full marks to Tiger for doing something which others cannot.
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February 6, 2020 at 5:58 PM
Also in hard core actioners, one requires the star to not show emotions. The no expression/ wooden face makes the audience in theatre believe that they mean real business. The emotional bit has to run in undercurrent which is why a strong story teller/director is needed in this genre.
The wooden expression is actually the reason why Arnold or Syl got so successful. But they got amazing directors/story in their movie which when combined with their no nonsense look, the entire unbelievable action became just more believable. They came across as believable when they will get up after getting knocked down with zero expression.
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February 7, 2020 at 7:29 PM
At least respect your own fantasy star Akshay Kumar’s Baby, perhaps the best action thriller from Hindi cinema since Jewel Thief! Didn’t see any wooden expressionless mummies in there & nor was it a brain numbing third class retrograde junk like Bodyguard, Rowdy Rathore or the Baaghi & Commando films.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:17 PM
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February 6, 2020 at 10:00 PM
Very well articulated by Wise man. He has been on the dot everytime. Seems like the person with ears close to the reality.
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February 6, 2020 at 6:25 PM
Actually I am one of the few who feel nepotism oy takes you so far. Look at Anil’s (a much bigger star than Jackie right now) son – he thinks he is Naseerudin Shah from his first movie and his career is going nowhere. And there are many more examples.
Vidyut’s looks are a bit old imo. Tiger looks way more boyish and connects with the younger crowd. He is also an excellent dancer which also works to his favour.
Does he have a long career? Probably not – people will get tired of this stuff after a while unless he starts selecting better scripts.
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February 6, 2020 at 9:01 PM
Sure after all talent does matter. But a 3-4 years onboarding which includes doing several roles / petty films is needed for new comer before they get a film which is usually the film a Shroff/Roshan stars with.
Of course if you are talented then you take off either ways. No one could have stopped Tiger or Hrithik even if they had started ordinary. But yes instant stardom is unlikely.
On Anil’s son..i think Anil should have worked upon his son’s launch. Ditto for Amitabh. If the fathers don’t work on their kid’s launch they don’t prosper. One failure and their is little chance.
Fathers who really worked for their kid’s sons-
Dharmendra
Naasir Hussain
Salim Khan
Rakesh Roshan
Rajendra Kumar
Raj Kapoor
Jackie Shroff
Vashu Bhagnani
Sunil Dutt
Father who did not do much early on and could have done much more-
Amitabh Bachchan
Anil Kapoor
Rishi Kapoor
Shakti Kapoor
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February 6, 2020 at 9:51 PM
Correction – Fathers who really worked on their kid’s *launch*
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February 6, 2020 at 10:40 PM
Naasir Hussain??
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February 7, 2020 at 1:05 AM
Not correct for Salim Khan otherwise MPK would have been Salman’s first movie. Salim even shown his disappointment after biwi ho tu aisi premier.
Include Sunil Dutt, Feroze khan, Vinod Khanna in list of supporting fathers
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February 7, 2020 at 7:53 PM
Salim Khan was instrumental in getting Salman the role in.MPK. In one of his interviews he said that he was not happy with Salman’s debut as a cameo. So he called all his friends and well wishers including Barjatyas. Luckily Barjatyas were then looking for a new star cast to launch the career of their youngest son Sooraj Barjatya. Salman bagged the role as Salim’s Saab call got him to audition.
Salman Also landed in several movies thanks to his father.
At several stage in his life, Salim Khan has come as advisor and guide proving himself to be a major reason for Salman’s success.
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February 7, 2020 at 9:53 PM
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye…Naveen…
Whatever next? It seems any superstar except Akshay Kumar has some timbuktu reasons for his/her success yet you fell in love with Akshay Kumar for honourable reasons! Please confirm whether you are sober when writing such nonsense. It could be true that Salman got his break due to his superstar writer dad, very likely, likewise Hrithik/Aamir due to father/uncle or whatever but they are where they are now after some 20 or 30+ years…the ship has sailed, the cows are home…history lesson most of us know.
On 16th Jan 2020
No 1 Akshay Kumar – Had a historic 2019 after a fabulous 2016-2018. All eyes on his next.
No 2 Salman Khan – His films are still getting bumper openings. He just need to get that one superhit.
No 3 Hrithik Roshan – Had a career changing year in 2019. From No where in 2018 to Top 3 by end of 2019. Needs to do a quickie and get a release in 2020.
No 4 Ajay Devgn – Superhit success of Tanhaji + fantastic run since last few years
No 5 Ranveer Singh – He has slipped two positions since last 6 months due to zero release and competition doing better.
No 6 – Ayushmann Khurana – The hit machine. He is all set to enter top 5 in 2020 if all goes as good as 2018-19 for him. He is now a star.
No 7 Tiger Shroff – His lineup in 2019 includes Baaghi 3 which can be his War of 2020.
No 8 Aamir Khan – The Santa will return this Christmas. Enough of 300 Cr targets.
No 9 Ranbir Kapoor – No one now remembers when Sanju released. He is in hibernation. Potentially a huge star like Aamir Khan.
No 10
John Abraham – He is steady. Needs some miracle to enter Top 5 Varun Dhawan – Kalank tanked. Can he rise with next week’s release?
Now
NO 1 AKSHAYKUMAR
NO 2 AJAY DEVGN
NO 3 SALMAN KHAN
NO 4 HRITHIK ROSHAN
NO 5 AAYUSHMANN KHURANA
NO 6 RANVEER SINGH
NO 7 TIGER SHROFF
NO 8 SHAHID KAPUR
NO 9 RANBIR KAPOOR / AAMIR KHAN
NO 10 AARYAN KARTHIK
Your rankings change literally for every star daily (with no notable event in between) now EXCEPT Sir/Prince/King/PM/Lord Akshay Kumar! At least keep track of your own nonsense!
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February 7, 2020 at 10:00 PM
Ajay is 2 now from 4
Salman 3 from 2…etc
I can’t keep up nor can you. What we know is no matter what you will keep Akshay Kumar as #1 and I said the very day you started ranking some 3 years back your end game was for Akshay Kumar to get to 1. So it’s a waste of everyone’s time if all you intend to do is twist everything to suit this end goal. WE GET IT!
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February 7, 2020 at 9:42 PM
Because of Anand Girdhar, we are subjected to Salman Khan..had he taken him for his Badnaam …Bollywood would have been much different 🙂
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February 7, 2020 at 10:46 PM
Jayshah – pls read my response to baseless diatribe below.
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February 6, 2020 at 10:23 PM
“people will get tired of this stuff after a while ”
IMO, As long as he is the only one doing (which i think is likely to happen), he will keep getting success. When it gets crowded, other stars come in doing this genre, he has to move on.
John actually is trying to enter this genre. Sid Malhotra too. Not sure if they can succeed like Tiger jiske naam mein hi action hai.
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February 7, 2020 at 1:19 AM
“Hrithik is basically now only relying on this genre if we see his last 3-4 choices and probably the next ones.” – yes Super 30 was a mindless actioner for the front benchers. Talk about sounding drunk or ridiculous!
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February 7, 2020 at 7:41 PM
Super30 is an outlier and Hrithik really laboured here. Dont think this is his comfortable genre.
Super 30 might remain the only different and successful movie in Hrithik’s career. He did get a decent opening though and at par with what AAyushmann usually gets on a non holiday release and similar budget movie. Aayushmaan of course have given several hits and has 100% track record whereas Hrithik has less than 25% in movies of similar budget and genre.
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February 8, 2020 at 6:18 AM
HR has delivered bigger blockbusters in the action genre with Krrish, Krrish 3, Dhoom 2, KNPH & War than what Tiger or even Akshay ever has in his entire career. End of the story!
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February 8, 2020 at 8:15 AM
Can’t disagree here. Akshay has give more hits in comedy genre while Hrithik has given zero. Will you agree here?
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February 8, 2020 at 8:15 AM
Also Akshay’s hits is balanced across genres.
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February 8, 2020 at 8:32 AM
Anyway there is no competition between Hrithik and Akshay now. No point in discussing as there are two more stars doing better than Hrithik – Ajay and Salman thought Salman has some danger if Hrithik comes with a movie soon enough and continues from where he ended 2019.
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February 8, 2020 at 9:00 AM
Yes completely agreed, HR has never tried his hands at comedy while Akshay has a lot of forgettable puny hits in the slapstick trash genre like Phir Hera Pheri, Welcome & the Housefull films, none of which created or broke records despite being franchise films.
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February 8, 2020 at 9:14 AM
“Anyway there is no competition between Hrithik and Akshay now. No point in discussing as there are two more stars doing better than Hrithik” – Just like megastar Kartik Aryan is doing better than small time star of Ghayal, Border & Gadar Sunny Deol. HR has given enough hits & records to last him a lifetime. Neither does he seem to be interested in any rat race (the days of fudging madness are a distant past) & nor should you be obsessed with ratings & rankings. Just sit back, relax & enjoy films as a movie fan. That’s what counts most.
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February 7, 2020 at 7:35 PM
ALERT : If Baaghi 3 is superhit then Tiger will move ahead of Hrithik Roshan in the current star ranking.
Aayushmaan is also set to overtake Hrithik. Consistency powers over hughlight performance.
Hrithik is currently no 4 after Akshay, Ajay Devgn and Salman Khan. Tiger is no 7.
NO 1 AKSHAYKUMAR
NO 2 AJAY DEVGN
NO 3 SALMAN KHAN
NO 4 HRITHIK ROSHAN
NO 5 AAYUSHMANN KHURANA
NO 6 RANVEER SINGH
NO 7 TIGER SHROFF
NO 8 SHAHID KAPUR
NO 9 RANBIR KAPOOR / AAMIR KHAN
NO 10 AARYAN KARTHIK
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February 7, 2020 at 10:31 PM
Jayshah -” Ajay is 2 now from 4
Salman 3 from 2…etc”
Of course because Tanhaji is a Blockbuster. So he moves up. I mean only in a stale fanatic mind will ranking remain same despite other stars doing better.
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February 7, 2020 at 10:44 PM
I mean if Ajay was No 4 on 16 Jan (Tanhaji just looking to be a superhit) how can he become No 2 on 8 Feb (when it is a bonafine bloclbuster) is your logic then I must say you have lost it.
Why is Ajay then not No 1?
Because Ajay’s De De Pyaar de underperformed and in the same genre Akshay gave a superhit in Good Newwz. And Ajay was not the top 3 star of 2019 whereas Akshay was No 1 star by a distance.
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February 8, 2020 at 2:00 AM
Did you see etc?
Look at all other names….everyone changed except Akshay at 1 and Tiger at 7. LOL.
What movie did Ayushman Khurrana have in last 3 weeks to move from 6 to 5? ROFLMAO.
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February 8, 2020 at 2:21 AM
Ranveer from 5 to 6? Did his 83 posters not take your fancy?
Shahid swoops into 8 to displace Aamir? Maybe you got pissed at BP moving dates so Aamir moved down and you saw Kabir Singh again so Shahid got a blockbuster and moved in?
Karthik’s Love Aaj Kal trailer drops and he displaces John at 10?
This is not diatribe- it’s an AUDIT of your nonsense of sham list!
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February 8, 2020 at 8:28 AM
Ranveer – Aayushmaan swap is minor and both could have been placed in same.rank last time as well.as this time
Not having Shahid Kapoor in Top 10 was a mistake and whe pointed has been corrected.
Karthik’s last hit got into top 10 ahead of John.
This Feb ranking corrects all minor mistakes of Jan because those were done on the move.
Your diatribe still remain and real because the main headlines of my ranking still remain the same and truthful.
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February 8, 2020 at 8:42 AM
Details matter. If you’re only interested in top 5, leave it to that.
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February 7, 2020 at 10:39 PM
Jayshah- “Your rankings change literally for every star daily (with no notable event in between) now EXCEPT Sir/Prince/King/PM/Lord Akshay Kumar! At least keep track of your own nonsense!”
Ok so the real cause of frustration is this. Reminds me of the real.reason why folks at Shaleen Bagh are protesting.
Sometimes I feel that being hypocrite is better. Don’t reveal.your liking and keep calling others a fanatic while being the biggest at that. But that would be others not me. Using my forthcoming opinion to shoot the ranking will flop like Panga.
Since I started the ranking in 2014, Akshay has features outside top 3 for.long, entered top.bandNo3 in 2018, Became No 1 in late 2018. Then I thought he would be there for few months but he has doing better than others. So.see little reason to get him out.
When will Akshay lose his No.1?
When any other star outperform him. Simple.
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February 8, 2020 at 2:12 AM
Naveen’s love and biased views on Akshay is not really appreciated by the members here. If it weren’t for Naveen, Akshay would have been more appreciated by me, Marcus, Jay Shah, Shivaay on this forum, I think.
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February 8, 2020 at 5:50 AM
Agreed. I dont dislike Akshay as such, but Naveen’s comments make Akshay seem unbearable, more than even a Salman.
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February 8, 2020 at 8:13 AM
I don’t understand why we deny the goodness of liking a star? Let’s not undermine it and also over estimate to the extent that we change our person choices to all others stars.
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February 8, 2020 at 7:34 AM
Yup. Baby & Airlift were 2 of my favorite movies of the last decade after Dangal, Kahaani, Tumbbad & Bahubali 1. In fact Akshay’s quite a favorite of mine alongside Aamir, HR & Ajay. Which is no ways implies that fanaticism takes over rationality & logic.
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February 8, 2020 at 6:58 AM
“Super 30 might remain the only different and successful movie in Hrithik’s career.” – Yes. Koi Mil Gaya, Jodha Akbar & Znmd were box office disasters. Or were you not born back then? Seems like it from your juvenile talk when you rate Khurana, a guy with zero 1 cr+ footfall films higher than a superstar with 4 highest annual grossers, 6 films with 2 cr+ footfalls & 4 record openings solely because the superstar in question “chooses” not to sign too many films (since he’s already a millionaire!) & prioritizes personal health & family over professional work. I may as well rate Anupam Kher, Paresh Rawal & Alok Nath Hindi cinema’s biggest superstars based on number of movies & hit count.
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February 8, 2020 at 9:58 PM
Super 30 is the only middle class drama he did. I think i meant more in that context.
I forgot JA. Films like Jodha Akbar are easy to forget now after Baahubali which demonstrated the strength of JA. I remember you or someone similar to your ideology used to argue in Naachgaana that JA is a difficult genre and that it would be difficult to reach that scale of success. Of course others forget. I remember to hound.
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February 9, 2020 at 8:32 AM
You mentioned “different”. Knph, Kmg, JA, Znmd & S30 are different as chalk & cheese, all of which are successful at various levels with some of them even being record/highest annual grossers. The only “similar” one’s are D2, Bang Bang & War & the 2 Krrish films within which once again 3 are record openers and/or highest annual grossers.
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February 9, 2020 at 8:37 AM
Akshay’s so called Super Hit & his biggest since 2012, HF4 is at par with HR’s Agneepath if adjusted for inflation. Agneepath is not even among HR’s top 5 among his 22 odd films. Fact check!
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February 8, 2020 at 10:06 PM
As 4 people are wrongly framing me to advocate only Akshay then i should put the record straight.
They are mostly right. I do but rarely at the cost of other stars. Not an approach followed by any of the four. These four try to upgrade their star at the cost of others/their films. I usually do not do. Sometimes i do to give a tit for tat. I like doing tit for tat. Makes the forum interesting otherwise it will just be theoretical site.
I have been advocating Hrithik and Aamir Khan more than anyone else in this forum. On Aamir, Yes collectively Jayshah + Marcus + Tonymontata + Aamirfans + 6,7 wise chosen members, they appear jointly doing it. But individually i still like Aamir more than each.
On Hrithik, I think Shivaay does more. I am sometimes a bit harsh on him. Because while i think Aamir is 5-6 more movies, and one cannot do much on Hrithik i want him to do 30 more movies. And looking at the impossibility, my frustration ends up in replying to Shivaay in the same language. He is KRKish for me. Difficult to ignore. However i know if we meet, we will become good friends.
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February 9, 2020 at 1:36 AM
Many a times I wonder if you are actually an Akshay hater disguised as a fan. So you can derive pleasure from the Akshay bashing by others. Either ways, you are asking for it.
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February 9, 2020 at 5:38 AM
Relax. Enjoy the new Akshay phase. If not crying is not the best option.
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February 9, 2020 at 4:47 AM
Artists do not choose or act on your whims & fancies mate. You gotta make the most of whatever you get & watch. Better to cherish what comes your way, be it Dangal, War, Kesari or Tanhaji than hope & get pissed off when expectations aren’t met & indulge in unwarranted bias & fanaticism.
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February 9, 2020 at 5:37 AM
Charity starts from home. Change within bhai.
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February 9, 2020 at 8:21 AM
I repeat, i do not make endless rants or spammy comments for 1 artist, even if there’s a partial bias towards HR, Ajay or Aamir in a lot of my comments. And nor do i believe in temporary, weekly ratings as imo stardom is a long term process that takes years to establish & decades to sustain & can only be estimated by all time records, initials & inflation adjusted all time collections as a true yardstick.
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February 9, 2020 at 6:50 AM
Tiger doesn’t seem to have improved at all in acting department since his debut. He is so bland even in dialogue deliveries. Let’s see till when he can survive with such acting and jumping abilities.
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February 9, 2020 at 8:20 AM
Only a silly fanatic will indulge in hyperboles constantly and expose his darling celebrity to constant bashing.
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February 12, 2020 at 5:29 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/BollywoodGandu/status/1227491942805561344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-8739082772008397064.ampproject.net%2F2001281851410%2Fframe.html
The day when ultra legend acrobat Shroff’s dead as corpse expressions make even Zayed Khan seem like a hyper legend 🙏
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February 12, 2020 at 7:37 AM
Nothing new in Dus Bahaane song except for Tiger’s dance.
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February 20, 2020 at 9:00 AM
imagine Jackie Shroff and Shakti Kapoor dancing together
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February 27, 2020 at 8:39 AM
rip off?
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March 1, 2020 at 8:37 PM
Hey Satyam. Please send me a quick email when you have a moment – old colleague A.Shah aka Masterpraz here. I’m available on **Edited**
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March 2, 2020 at 1:19 AM
I have sent email to Satyam with your email. He has been infrequent to the blog.
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