Krish on Amitabh Bachchan


As a kid who grew in the 80s, all i can say that Amitabh is the greatest superstar there has ever been. My first movie of his in theatre was the 5th or 6th rerun of Mr Natwarlal in Anand theatre Thane and that was sometime in 1984 or 1985 when the movie actually came in 1979 and i saw that in a packed house then. Unfortunately the electricity went and we had to come back home sadly 😦

Probably it is during release of Shahenshah when i probably got real taste of his craze as i was slightly older around 12 years. The school that whole week was all about that Mukhtar Singh dialogue etc…
I probably must have seen all his movies of 1970 and 1980s in the 1980s even though the movies were not running and it was hard to see those movies as one needs to rent the video casette etc. The pains we used to go to rent out his older movies like Majboor or Great Gambler and see it is also in some form a tribute to his stardom as it was actually a cumbersome exercise which we were willing to undertake. Movies like Raste ke Pathhar, bAnde Haath etc which didnt do well when released and of which the video casette were not available for anyone to see were considered as some sort of iconic movies purely because they were not seen by anyone. One guy who had seen Parwana was literally a hero as he was only one who had seen it 🙂 Movies where he died in the end were movies which we avoided as no one can come around to see that and left a lump in the throat. And then there was that one scene in each of his movies which was talked about so much it is fresh in memory even today
Kaalia – The Jail scene
natwarlal – The song he sung
Hum – the cockroach scene
MKS – his death scene
Yarana – The dance with lights
Faraar – because it was a negative role
Chupke Chupke – The biology scene
Khoon Pasina/Ram Balram- the fight with tiger (Literally everyone were queueing to see this trash because he fought with a tiger :))
I can go on and recount that 1 scene or dialogue of his every movie which people were thrilled or curious about. Literally all this is nothing but superstardom. Its not just the day 1 footfalls but what stays with you about even some of his trashy movies that defines his superstardom.

Defining AB on basis on ATBB or lack of one – to be honest i was not even aware of all of this as personally i always think every movie of his was a BB then, is a pointless and also a faulty exercise as Marcus said very well earlier.
SRK in isolation is a big superstar and can stand on his own merits and even more so now after Pathaan. AB does not need to figure in this discourse at all

128 Responses to “Krish on Amitabh Bachchan”

  1. Great thoughts Krish and completely agree. I don’t know how and why we’re discussing Amitabh after Pathaan and very easily all SRK fans are blamed. I’ve mentioned multiple times that Amitabh is another level as I mentioned that Baahubali 2 is another level compared to Pathaan.

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  2. Krish, not my birthday but a great present nonetheless. Grateful.

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  3. Excellent write up Krish. Getting even flops like Great Gambler & Bande Haath to have re runs for almost half a decade while having a black market worth Rs 100 back in 1988 is nothing short of insanity! The only living actor who could command territory rights of the biggest business circuit like Bombay is another level of craze.

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    • The verdict of Great Gambler is contentious. TG has it as a flop but BOI 2003 archives has it as recovery.

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      • Vijay Shivaay Says:

        Yes I guess so. It was a loss maker in its initial run & perhaps recovered via re-runs. Same was the case with Shaan which was deemed a Flop in its first month of release but eventually turned our a mini Hit with almost half a decade of re-runs, despite being the most expensive Indian film of its times.

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        • Yeah, I would say in the final tally both Great Gambler and Shaan gets the verdict of Average at BO.

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    • Here is a stat on Flops:

      During the golden run of 14 years from 1975 to 1988, AB delivered 55 films out of which only 4 films were outright flops! Success Ratio was 93%.

      These flops were –

      Zameer (1975)
      Faraar (1975)
      Alaap (1977)
      Imaan Dharam (1977)

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  4. tonymontana Says:

    Nice write-up Krish

    Can we also have a separate thread on Sunil’s opinion on Akshay? I think he may have something substantial to contribute.

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    • He’s trolling around and he knows that. No one considers Akshay a superstar of the 90s especially when he himself claims to have given 14 consecutive flops at his prime. And charging a 100 Cr per film in the 90s 😜

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  5. Thanks guys….

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  6. So apparently all of you missed my question.

    Question was not related to bachchan stardom, did I question that anywhere???

    Question was pretty simple, when was bachchan last ATBB or in old time terminology, blockbuster, super duper hits, what every you want to use.

    When was the last one?

    I thought this was as simple as asking when did a particular batsman scored a century. should be pretty easy to answer.

    But bachchan fans wants to add all other commentary as if i was questioning bachchan stardom.

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  7. Akshay is the first actor to get 100 crore per film.That is not in the 90s.In the 1990s he was a superstar after Mohra.

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  8. What is atbb according to you?If all time highest grosser is atbb then shahrukh doesn’t have atbb until pathan.

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    • A film with at least 4 (if not 5) Cr footfalls.

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      • DDLJ is the only real ATBB for SRK. The rest are Super Dupers or Super BBs (as boi now calls them). For Aamir its RH, Dangal and Salman its HAHK and MPK. HRs biggest is Super BB KNPH, Ranbir has Sanju while Akshay and Ajay have no Super Duper Hits. AB had AAA, MKS and Coolie with over 5 Cr footfalls, Deewaar, Trishul, Naseeb, Laawaris with over 4 Cr and Zanjeer, Namak Halaal and Mard with over 3 Cr FFs (the last 3 being Super BBs and the first 7 being ATBBs).

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    • you can review all of my posts where i have repeatedly argued that i don’t really care much about the highest grosser because not every single film will out gross another.

      For me, Bachchan in Don, Lawaaris, Suhaag, MKS, coolie and whole bunch of other is bigger triumph then Sholay because all of those other films i mentioned, bachchan was the film.

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      • You r seriously contradicting yourself man. Make up your mind. First of all, the job of an analyst is to ask the RIGHT questions. How does AB’s ATBB date correspond to what he is today? There’re something called ‘qualifiers’ that BAs have to stick to. You have to run a SWOT analysis. Even a freaking Salesforce dashboard has ‘filters’ and ‘formulas’ layered all around it so that one can understand the ‘trend’ and ‘context.’ Is your question right, in terms of the resources available to the Khans right now, at this moment or even since 2015, and what was to Bachchan in 1995 onwards till Mohabatein? Think of these things, and you will understand the different factors that go in along with Quikbooks. SRK could have stopped acting after 2013 and nothing would have affected his finances; he has smart set of people who advise him how to diversify his portfolio. AB had bankers banging on his door for possession. In such a case, should AB carefully ‘chaff’ out his directors/writers and produce quality films or just earn money?

        Think of these things, and you will have the answers; and you will realize how wrong you are going along with this stupid obsession of Americans with statistics, ‘only.’

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    • RNBDJ, CE, Pathaan….so far i think

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      • Vijay Shivaay Says:

        The first stood for a month and the second for 4 months. At least they were legit unlike Pathaan which is only NETT.

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  9. That question for z.Is there any rule that defines atbb?These things are invented by khan fans.

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    • i guess you missed the part where i said

      “or in old time terminology, blockbuster, super duper hits, what every you want to use”

      in here lies the problem, nobody wants to answer directly without giving unnecessary commentary and that is proving me right each time…

      Go pick up any film magazine from late 70s or early 80s where biggest hit films are talked about and you’ll always find films like Ratan, Kismat, MEA, Sholay, AAA and if magazine from after 1985, you’ll see Ram Teri Ganga Maili in that list too (there was another film too which i can’t recall).

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      • Vijay Shivaay Says:

        MKS is a bigger blockbuster than Amar Akbar Anthony. And NO magazine would ever not mention the sheer insanity that preceded the release of Coolie (a super duper hit in itself) and Shehenshah’s release of course.

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  10. So, let’s see if this help.

    If I ask when was Sachin Tendulkar last century?

    The answer would be, December 2012.

    Simple as that…

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  11. Vijay Shivaay Says:

    Amitabh Bachchan :

    *ALL TIME : Sholay, Amar Akbar Anthony, Muqaddar ka Sikandar.
    *SUPER DUPER : Zanjeer, Deewaar, Trishul, Naseeb, Laawaris, Coolie, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham

    Salman Khan :

    *ALL TIME : Maine Pyaar Kiya, Hum Aapke Hain Koun
    *SUPER DUPER : Karan Arjun, Bajrangi Bhaijaan, Sultan, Tiger Zinda Hai.

    Shahrukh Khan :

    *ALL TIME : Dilwale Dulhaniyan..
    *SUPER DUPER : Karan Arjun, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham, Chennai Express, Pathaan.

    Aamir :

    *ALL TIME : Raja Hindustani, Dangal
    *SUPER DUPER : 3 Idiots, Dhoom 3, PK

    Hrithik :

    *SUPER DUPER : Kaho Naa Pyaar Hai, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham

    None for Ajay, Akshay and Saif from that era.

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    • tonymontana Says:

      Dhoom 2, Krish and War should be counted for Hritik under Super duper hits

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      • Vijay Shivaay Says:

        No idea.. ambiguous, War isn’t as big a hit as Pathaan and nor is Dhoom 2 in the same range as Dhoom 3. These are just estimates ofc.. impossible to zero in on exacts through decades.

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      • Vijay Shivaay Says:

        Nahta’s classifying itself was far more rigid till the early 2000s than today. Pardes was only an overflow while its a clean Hit by today’s terms. Mard & Naseeb were classified an A1 Hit despite 3 Cr+ footfalls due to record selling prices (Desai-AB combo) and AB retaining the entire Bombay circuit rights as his acting fee. Both those have would be higher than Pathaan & KGF2 adjusted for inflation.

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        • Manoj kumar padhy Says:

          It’s to realise the black ticket price of A B , Naseeb ticket price Rs 4 or 5 and black ticket sold for rs 300 , the ticket price black exceeds today’s average ticket price of rs 150 or 200 , I had bought it to watch and so do many like me , black ticket during AB days was another business , many made a life from it , Amitabh , no one comes close to him

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  12. Bob Cristo Says:

    Disclaimer before i comment on this Topic. For me

    1- Amitabh is Greatest allround actor for me (Be it Bollywood or Hollywood)..And when i say allround it means he can do serious, funny and romantic role effortlessly. There were/are some who can do one thing better like Sanjeev Kumar in serious acting (Watch Trishul) but Amitabh is All in one

    2- The Kind of Superstardom Amitabh created is unparalleld. Only Rajesh Khanna before him did that but for a brief period.

    After Saying this here i would admit that Z also has a point. Now i will write in Hindi because i can express better in Hindi.

    Z ने 2 बातें कहीं हैं…

    पहली- अमिताभ की कोई सोलो हीरो वाली ATBB नहीं है…और ये एक फैक्ट है…शोले के वक्त धर्मेंद्र भी बहुत बड़े एक्टर थे और संजीव कुमार भी…हेमा मालिनी भी 1972 में HGOTY सीता और गीता दे चुकीं थीं..यानी हेमा मालिनी की भी अपनी फॉलोइंग थी..मुकद्दर का सिकंदर में विनोद खन्ना थे जो विलेन और हीरो दोनों ही रोल में हिट हो चुके थे…अमजद खान का भी गब्बर सिंह के बाद अपना क्रेज़ था…अमर अकबर एंथोनी में भी विनोद खन्ना और ऋषि कपूर थे (बॉबी की सुपरस्टार)

    दूसरी- 1985 में आई मर्द के बाद अमिताभ की कोई फिल्म ऐसी नहीं आई…जिसने बॉक्स ऑफिस पर आग लगा दी हो…तकनीकी तौर पर इसमें भी कुछ गलत नहीं है..अमिताभ के फैन ऐसा शो करते हैं कि 1975 से 1990 के बीच अमिताभ के अलावा बॉलीवुड में और कोई हीरो नहीं था..अमिताभ ही नंबर 1 से 10 तक थे…लेकिन क्या वाकई ऐसा था..चलिए डेटा देखते हैं..

    1975- शोले
    1975- हेराफेरी
    1977- अमर अकबर एंथनी
    1978- मुकद्दर का सिकंदर
    1979- सुहाग
    1980- कुर्बानी
    1981- क्रांति
    1982- विधाता
    1983- कुली
    1984- तोहफा
    1985- कुली
    1986- कर्मा
    1987- मिस्टर इंडिया
    1988- तेज़ाब
    1989- मैने प्यार किया
    1990- दिल

    16 साल में 7 HGOTY…किसी भी लिहाज से ये उपलब्धि कम नहीं है..लेकिन इन 7 फिल्मों में से शोले, मुकद्दर का सिकंदर और अमर अकबर एंथनी का कितना क्रेडिट अमिताभ को दिया जाए और कितना क्रेडिट बांटा जाए..ये बहस का विषय है…चलिए 60% क्रेडिट अमिताभ को दे देते हैं..लेकिन याद रखिए इसी दौर में विनोद खन्ना भी (कुर्बानी) HGOTY दे रहे थे और दिलीप कुमार भी (क्रांति और विधाता लगातार 2 साल )..अनिल कपूर (मिस्टर इंडिया और तेजाब लगातार 2 साल)…

    चलिए इस डेटा का और पोस्टमॉर्टम करते थे..अमिताभ ने इस दौरान HGOTY ही नहीं बल्कि और भी हिट दीं..जो टॉप हिट फिल्मों के हिसाब से टॉप-5 में रहीं..लेकिन यही काम बाकी एक्टर्स ने भी किया…तो ये कहना ठीक नहीं होगा कि अमिताभ ही नंबर 1 से नंबर 10 तक थे..

    अब आते हैं Z के मुख्य मुद्दे पर कि अमिताभ ने 45 की उम्र के बाद क्या किया…अमिताभ की मर्द आई थी 1985 में..यानी तब वो 43 साल के थे..इसके बाद अमिताभ ने HGOTY नहीं दी…This is Cold and Hard Fact…वहीं सलमान और आमिर ने 45 साल के आसपास और उसके बाद HGOTY की झड़ी लगा दी..शाहरुख खान जरूर पिछड़ गए थे..उन्होंने 45 साल के बाद कोई HGOTY नहीं दी…अब उम्मीद है कि पठान उनकी HGOTY हो सकती है..

    Z बार-बार ये कह रहा है कि वो अमिताभ के सुपरस्टारडम और क्रेज़ पर सवाल नहीं उठा रहा..बात फैक्ट की है..इसे इस तरह भी समझ सकते हैं..मैसी पिछले 25 साल के सबसे बेहतरीन फुटबॉलर हैं और फुटबॉल इतिहास के सबसे महान खिलाड़ियों में से एक..लेकिन 2022 से पहले उन्होंने वर्ल्ड कप नहीं जीता था..ऐसे में अगर कोई ये सवाल पूछे कि मैसी ने वर्ल्ड कप जीता क्या ? तो ये मैसी की महानता पर सवाल उठाना नहीं है..ये फैक्ट था कि उन्होंने 2022 से पहले वर्ल्ड कप नहीं जीता..इसी तरह क्रिस्टियानो रोनाल्डो भी ऑल टाइम बेस्ट प्लेयर हैं..लेकिन ये एक फैक्ट है कि रोनाल्डो ने वर्ल्ड कप नहीं जीता…वर्ल्ड कप नहीं जीतने से रोनाल्डो की महानता कम नहीं होती..लेकिन ये फैक्ट तो है कि उनके पास वर्ल्ड कप नहीं है

    इतना लंबा कमेंट पढ़ने के लिए शुक्रिया

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  13. I’m thinking to write a post which shows Amitabh as mortal and I might get stoned for it. Today looks difficult but maybe later tonight. Let’s see if I’ll end up writing it.

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    • Vijay Shivaay Says:

      His disastrous business decisions and some poor film choices, especially post 1995 is good enough proof of his mortality. These posts have been in response to 2 individuals who both begin with the alphabet Z repeatedly questioning his superstardom and his impact on Indian cinema, some even going to the extent of claiming he’s not been a box office force since 1984 or that the likes of Vinod Khanna & Shashi Kapoor had equivalent prowess! Blatant lies..

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      • ” Z repeatedly questioning his superstardom and his impact on Indian cinema”

        Blatant LIE, but expected from bachchan fanatics.

        I have repeatedly said in all my posts that the question is not about bachchcan superstardom. The question was what was bachchan last ATBB (bolockbuster, superduper hits or what ever term you want to use).

        How can one even have a decent debate with someone who comes up with blatant lie like that. Show me one post where i questioned bachchan superstardom, please…

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        • ‘bolockbuster’ – perfect.. incomprehensible bollocks as expected. You’ve asked this a dozen times despite my responses as well as Marcus’ to the same. Yet you’re still to answer me when was the last time any Bollywood actor retained territory rights of the entire Bombay circuit for over a decade or when was the last time anyone from “world cinema” delivered 3 solo hits in his 70s (not counting 102 NO). There’s nothing called a Bachchan fanatic. **edited** that’s galvanized almost every user on this forum (including erstwhile critics like Marcus who were happy to troll AB till a few months ago) to come out and set the record straight. I’m sure they’d do the same if some scumbags tomorrow come out and start degrading Dilip Kumar or Raj Kapoor or Dharmendra as well. But since unlike Bachchan since none of them are active any longer, the probability of such idiocy is a lot lesser with these folks.

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  14. What a nice write-up on Amitiji. This is series of tributes to Amitji is like a celebration of the Legend. Made my friday and weekend!

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  15. What we call ‘blockbusters’ in today’s terms is perhaps ‘superhits’ and ‘super duper hits’ as per FI/TG. Now v limited data on FI/TG verdicts of seventies/eighties films are available today. There is BOI archives of 2003, but those verdicts dont neccessarily match the verdicts of TG or FI. So its v difficult to come up with an accurate list of verdicts for AB’s films unless one is open to interpretations.

    But AB in his prime delivered at least twice the number of blockbusters that SRK has delivered till now. So at what age his last blockbuster was delivered, is a redundant question.

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    • Talking about Mard, FI has it as ‘Hit’ and BOI’s 2003 archives has it as ‘Superhit’. TG verdict is not available but likely to be ‘Superhit’ or ‘Super Duper Hit’. Blockbuster term was not used then. So if we strictly go by FI, Coolie may be AB’s last blockbuster at 1983 at the age of 41.

      Anyways, these statistical discrepancies do not matter. What AB achieved in first 2 decades of his career (70s & 80s) at BO is far from being achieved by SRK after his 3 decades of being around as lead. SRK getting a blockbuster at 57 doesnt change that.

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    • 7 Historic blockbusters (over a crore per territory) and 9 Super Hit/Blockbusters between 73-84. Trade Guide verdicts are good enough proof.

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      • Problem with these verdicts is that they maybe ‘derived’ from TG, but not exactly TG verdicts. TG verdicts came in 6-7 categories, not so braodly as Average, Hit, Superhit and Super Duper Hits.

        And these dont neccesarily match with BOI archives.

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  16. BOI of today is a joke. But apart from the above scans, the following link is also of some value as far as AB films’ verdicts are concerned:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20030801213418/http://boxofficeindia.com/amitabh.htm

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  17. Anyways, we talk of the AB of 70s and 80s a lot. But he also had an enviable track record from 2000 onwards with 26 successful films over little more than 2 decades last:

    1. Mohabbatein (2000) – BLOCKBUSTER
    2. Ek Rishtaa (2000) – HIT
    3. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham (2001) – SUPERHIT
    4. Aankhen (2002) – AVERAGE
    5. Kaante (2002) – SEMI-HIT
    6. Baghbaan (2003) – SEMI-HIT
    7. Khakee (2004) – AVERAGE
    8. Black (2005) – AVERAGE
    9. Waqt (2005) – HIT
    10. Bunty Aur Babli (2005) – SUPERHIT
    11. Sarkar (2005) – HIT
    12. Viruddh (2005) – AVERAGE
    13. Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna (2006) – SEMI-HIT
    14. Cheeni Kum (2007) – SEMI-HIT
    15. Shootout At Lokhandwala (2007) – HIT
    16. Bhootnath (2008) – AVERAGE
    17. Sarkar Raj (2008) – AVERAGE
    18. Paa (2009) – SEMI-HIT
    19. Bhoothnath Returns (2014) – AVERAGE
    20. Piku (2015) – HIT
    21. Wazir (2016) – AVERAGE
    22. Pink (2016) – HIT
    23. 102 Not Out (2018) – SEMI-HIT
    24. Badla (2019) – SUPERHIT
    25. Brahmastra (2022) – SEMI-HIT
    26. Uunchai (2022) – AVERAGE

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    • Baghban is a clean Hit I think. Ek Rishta & Kaante were Average.

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    • So since AB turned 58 in 2000 he has delivered:

      4 Superhits/Blockbusters
      5 Hits
      8 Semi-Hits
      9 Averages

      Lets see what SRK delivers from 2024.

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      • LOL, Funny to slot superhit/blockbuster together to make it look good. By year 2000 there was clear distinction between blockbuster and superhit.

        1 blockbuster thanks to SRK, 2 superhit thanks to SRK 🙂

        Anupam Kher probably has few blockbusters too including TKF, no?

        One thing i can assure you is that SRK won’t be in a movie at age 58 where he will be playing second fiddle to some younger actor like Ranbir…

        Would you agree to that or are we going to be complete dishonest?

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        • He can dance around the streets/trees naked to show his 10 packs (with his arms and the other thing stretched out) or romance his own daughter in his home productions for all i care. Let him match these records and then we will talk.

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        • But K3Gs “climax” had both father & son patching up. And screen time was exactly the same (count the number of minutes the next time you watch the film). And… HR was a bigger draw than SRK for a year post KNPH (when K3G was signed). So your “second fiddle” theory is trash.

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        • Mohabbatein, K3G, Ek Rishta, Baghban, Sarkar, Waqt was “exactly” was Dilip saab did in Kranti, Vidhataa and Saudagar as well. Play a “senior statesman” equivalent to his age. And that’s what “icons” do.. move with the times and act their age. By the way, Anupam Kher seems to be your new loverboy (despite your claims of TKF collections being fake), yet you still didn’t answer me which actor as yet has delivered 3 Hits and 5 successes as a “lead” in his 70s (since Brahmastra might be second fiddle for you since you expect Dumbledore to be a Potter).

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        • Even his biggest flops Mrityudayta, Lal Baadshah and Sooryavansham have higher footfalls than Fan, JHMS & Zero 😜

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        • Vijay Shivaay Says:

          “By year 2000 there was clear distinction between blockbuster and superhit.” – WRONG. The term Blockbuster was introduced by BOI as late as 2005. Check their archives. Even they started in 2003 with terms like Super Hit & Super Duper. And there was seldom any difference between the 2 for yesteryear films since every verdict was based on territory wise acquisition prices (heck films did not even release on the same date in every circuit till the mid 80s). Being someone whose lived through the 70s, I expected you to know better.

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  18. @Marcus, you inspired me to do little research too.

    So since 2000, 63 films of which 42 are down right Flop to complete Disaster…
    If you want, you can take couple movies and call them average but trade has them as flop.
    Not sure how you got unchaai as an average in your list.

    The early 2000 was better because there was still some juice left and big producer/director give him a solid role as a 2nd lead like Mohabataain, K3G and get Blockbuster/superhit out of it, or sign him as lead with solid role.
    I think then he made a decision to do films where he would be the focus and that’s when flop started happening. Yeah, you may get average/hit once in a while but for most part it’s flop/disaster.

    The 2020s:
    6 Total Release:
    5 Flop (most of them are disaster)
    83% Flop

    Uunchai Flop
    Goodbye Flop
    Runway 34 Flop
    Jhund Flop
    Chehre Flop

    The 2010s:
    19 Total Release:
    14 Flop
    73% Flop

    Syeraa Narasimha Reddy Flop
    Thugs Of Hindostan Flop
    Sarkar 3 Flop
    TE3N Flop
    Wazir Flop
    Shamitabh Flop
    Sholay 3D Flop
    Mahabharat Flop
    Satyagraha Flop
    Department Flop
    Aarakshan Flop
    Bbuddah…Hoga Terra Baap Flop
    Teen Patti Flop
    Rann Flop

    The 2000s:
    38 Total Release
    23 Flops
    60% Flop

    Aladin Flop
    The Last Lear Flop
    God Tussi Great Ho Flop
    Sarkar Raj Flop
    Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag Flop
    Nishabd Flop
    Eklavya – The Royal Guard Flop
    Baabul Flop
    Darna Zaroori Hai Flop
    Family – Ties of Blood Flop
    Ek Ajnabee Flop
    Viruddh Flop
    Ab Tumhare Hawale Watan Sathiyo Flop
    Hum Kaun Hai Flop
    Kyun! Ho Gaya Na Flop
    Dev Flop
    Rudraksh Flop
    Aetbaar Flop
    Boom Flop
    Armaan Flop
    Kaante Flop
    Hum Kisi Se Kum Nahin Flop
    Aks Flop

    So since 2000:
    67% complete Flop to Disaster.
    4% blockbuster/Superhit (3 out of 4 thanks to SRK)

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  19. @ BobCristo

    I think you understood me perfectly. I think others understood me perfectly too but they were just afraid that answering my simple straight question would make them lose their argument hence they all decided to write a long posts justifying bachchan stardom and box office power prior to 1985.

    But my question/point was NEVER about bachchan super stardom or his box office power prior to 4 decades ago. I said it over and over again that question is not about bachchan super stardom. The question was simply when was bachchan last ATBB (I even said that you can use blockbuster, super duper hit, superhit, what ever term that was used for that specific era). Yet, no one could answer it without adding 1000 word commentary cause they themselves know that bachchan hasn’t delivered anything super big for about 4 decades now and specifically last 2.5 decades.

    That’s a FACT, that’s not me making up numbers on my own.

    AGAIN, the question/point is not about bachchan super stardom, it was specific to box office past 4 decades…

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    • FACT : No Indian actor is yet to deliver 3 SOLO hits in his 70s yet. Which makes him the first among equals and the first in line, just like he was the FIRST to deliver SOLO successes im his 60s. Your imbecile questions and logics might dictate how Rohit Sharma having 3 ODI double hundreds has bigger achievements than Sachin who has just 1 (he too was the first), unfortunately no one is foolish enough to buy your rubbish. Even cynics like BOI have him among the all time top 3 and their archives (from FI) had his “market value” at numero uno among distribution circles for 16 consecutive years, a feat unmatched. Unfortunately you belong to a specie of fans who’re unable to fathom the fact that SRK is second to Salman Khan in the domestic markets right through the late 90s and then again in the 2010s. As well as the fact that both Sunny Deol and HR displaced SRK a few times between 97 and 03 (again proved by BOIs original archives which they’ve cunningly removed now to paint a false picture without realizing there’s something called “web archives” that’s gonna strip their lies naked). Fyi even 42 flops among 63 films (you’ve conveniently named a few Below avg affairs as flops) is a record that the likes of Akshay and Ajay have carried all through their careers. And you’re yet to answer me on when was the last time a Bollywood superstar could “afford” to retain territory rights of an entire circuit (commanded by insane popularity since that circuit was none other than Bombay) or when in history would any actor manage to sign over 60 films after the age of 60 (insane demand needed for such a feat, your loverboy Sholay lead has been hitting the bottle since 60).

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    • You first answer me when was the last time any mainstream actor gave 3 SOLO hits in his 70s (even if someone does via steroids later on, he’d never be the first among equals like AB). Kaalia’s dialogue of trend setters and line beginners wasn’t for nothing. Records are meant to be broken with time, its the trendsetters who matter most (unless you’re a rogue who believes Rohit’s achievement of 3 ODI 200s makes him superior to Sachin’s 1). 15 years of #1 among distribution circles is record yet to be matched as well by the way (proved by boi archives from legit sources like FI, the fools didn’t realize archives saves everything even if you con and manipulate). You first answer me whether SRKs even ever had the domestic popularity and craze of a Salman (barring 2001-07). A lot of Pathaan’s success is attributed to Tiger’s cameo and the fact that its part of the same universe (Salman being the first among equals in this case with unmatched popularity among B/C circuits).

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      • Aman Basha Says:

        Mammootty is 72 and in 2022, had Bheeshma Parvam, Rorschach, CBI5, Nanpakal Nerathu Mayakkam, one was a blockbuster, the second was a superhit and the third a hit.
        He’s doing leading roles with no multi-starrers in the above. Let’s not exaggerate.

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        • 72 now.. still almost a decade younger than AB, a generation that took full advantage of CGI induced gimmickery starting from Rajni’s Endiran @60. A world of difference between 72 and 81 if you consider India’s techno/IT boom post 2000. And that’s regional cinema btw. That too of one of India’s smallest commercial industries where Pink level footfalls would give you a bonfide blockbuster while Uunchai collections would give you a HIT. Nor is Mamooty the first among equals if he’s doing it now.

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    • Regarding your 4 decades goof up, 4 decades ago from today was 1983 when almost the entire nation went into mourning, praying for the legend’s speedy recovery from the freak accident. Anyone even questioning ABs megastardom during the 80s is only making a parody of himself. His last legit “All Time” was Coolie with over 4 Cr admits, last legit “solo BB” was Mard with over 3 Cr admits (some sources estimate 4+ via inflation backtracking) and last legit “solo Super Hit” was Shehanshah with over 2 Cr admits (frenzy of 20k+ folks outside Shiela theatre notwithstanding, I can personally vouch for the pre release craze for Shehanshah and Hum). His record from 1973-88 is something most superstars would fail to achieve in a 4 decade career despite CGI & fitness assistance of today. Even by your analogy, 21 successful films post 2000 (you have conveniently manipulated a few Below Avgs to flops) is the kind of record held by current stars like Ajay D and Akshay.

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      • And Khuda Gawah was his last ‘Hit’ in 1992. It is categorized as Overflow/Commission by TG/FI. But heck, srk films with such verdicts are paraded as ‘Hits’ by the fanatics. So why not Khuda Gawah too?

        Personally, i would classify Khuda Gawah as ‘Semi-Hit’.

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        • “Personally, i would classify Khuda Gawah as ‘Semi-Hit’.”

          So what is the last clean solo hit according to you?

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        • Aaj Ka Arjun.

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        • Let me spell out the right question that can be asked if one wants to compare:

          When did Bachchan get his last opening day record in his prime?

          The answer is Khud Gawah in 1992 at the age of 50. And in the previous 2 years Hum (a multistarer) and Aaj Ka Arjun did the same.

          Aaj Ka Arjun was a Superhit, Hum was a Hit, Khuda Gawah was a Semi-Hit. The movies may not have been his biggest hits, but he himself was still big enough to set the opening day records. That proves his dominance.

          Even in the late nineties multistarers like BMCM and HKK were setting the opening day records. It was not surprising he featured prominently in K3G which again set the opening record. Even in 2018 he played his part in TOH’s opening record.

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        • And AB still had 9 successes in the nineties despite his break:

          1. Agneepath (1990) – AVERAGE
          2. Aaj Ka Arjun (1990) – SUPERHIT
          3. Hum (1991) – HIT
          4. Khuda Gawah (1992) – SEMI-HIT
          5. Insaaniyat (1994) – AVERAGE
          6. Major Saab (1998) – SEMI-HIT
          7. Bade Miyan Chote Miyan (1998) – HIT
          8. Hindustan Ki Kasam (1999) – AVERAGE
          9. Kohraam (1999) – AVERAGE

          5 out of these 9 releases had set the opening day records!

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        • You call the record initial Hindustan Ki Kasam with a Devgn who was hardly delivering Avg grossers from the mid 90s onwards a multistarrer 🤣
          Even Ajay Devgn who publicly acknowledged ABs influence on him would laugh at this.

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        • It was for the sake of one who will be barking the ‘solo’ card again.

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        • For some, genuine parallel leads like Mohabbatein, K3G, BMCM and Kaante are supporting roles while legitimate well cut out solo leads like Aankhen, Ek Rishta, Sarkar and Khakee (where far younger stars like Akshay, Ajay and AB Jr were playing supporting roles) are multistarrers. All a matter of convenience.

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  20. @Z – I dont go by srk fansite called BOI which is synonymous to ‘trade’ for silly srk fans. BOI downgrades and upgrades the verdicts and collections of movies based on stars they prefer and whom they dislike. It takes blind fanatics like yourself to not see through the obvious. And Bachchan isnt their fav.

    I go by FI/TG verdicts and my own inference in recent times. So here is the list of successes for AB again (as you have proved again and again that you are a broken record who just doesnt get it):

    1. Mohabbatein (2000) – BLOCKBUSTER
    2. Ek Rishtaa (2000) – SEMI-HIT
    3. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham (2001) – SUPERHIT
    4. Aankhen (2002) – AVERAGE
    5. Kaante (2002) – SEMI-HIT
    6. Baghbaan (2003) – SEMI-HIT
    7. Khakee (2004) – AVERAGE
    8. Black (2005) – AVERAGE
    9. Waqt (2005) – HIT
    10. Bunty Aur Babli (2005) – SUPERHIT
    11. Sarkar (2005) – HIT
    12. Viruddh (2005) – AVERAGE
    13. Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna (2006) – SEMI-HIT
    14. Cheeni Kum (2007) – SEMI-HIT
    15. Shootout At Lokhandwala (2007) – HIT
    16. Bhootnath (2008) – AVERAGE
    17. Sarkar Raj (2008) – AVERAGE
    18. Paa (2009) – SEMI-HIT
    19. Bhoothnath Returns (2014) – AVERAGE
    20. Piku (2015) – HIT
    21. Wazir (2016) – AVERAGE
    22. Pink (2016) – HIT
    23. 102 Not Out (2018) – SEMI-HIT
    24. Badla (2019) – SUPERHIT
    25. Brahmastra (2022) – SEMI-HIT
    26. Uunchai (2022) – AVERAGE

    And here is the summary of his Success:

    4 Superhits/Blockbusters
    5 Hits
    8 Semi-Hits (These are actually Hits by common parlance).
    9 Averages

    Let SRK deliver this amount of success after he turns 58, and then we will talk.

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    • What I provided was from Bollywood Hungama, not BOI…

      Mohabataain, thanks to SRK (adi/SRK had bigger hit in DDLJ without Bachchan).
      K3G, thanks to SRK (KJo/SRK had bigger hit in KKHH without Bachchan).

      I can guarantee you SRK won’t be relying on another actor and play 2nd fiddle at age 58 to get a blockbuster/superhit like mohabataain/k3g.
      Same goes for aamir, salman, Hr. I don’t see them playing 2nd fiddle anytime soon.
      Some with no knowledge of cinema will make silly arguments about screen time but take suhaag for example, sashi was there from beginning to end yet there’s no doubt about that movie revolves around Bachchan.
      War had HR and Tiger but one can easily make out who the Lead Hero is of the film…

      I hope srk/aamir/salman/Hr will retire with some grace and dignity instead of delivering over 40 Flop/Disaster films post age 58…

      This is where Dilip Kumar was king where he played a lead actor till the last film and walked away instead of delivering over 40 Flops/Disasters…

      Can Bachchan deliver another hit post age 80, of course, There’s a saying in USA lottery ads, “you can’t win, if you don’t play”.
      So if Bachchan plays 10 times, it’s possible he will win 1 time just like he did in his last 10 films where brhahmastra is hit (again playing a role which would have been played by some side actors in past)

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      • BH copies everything from BOI, no its not a independent source. And who the heck even cares of BH (except for looking up producer totals)?

        You are a bigger fool than what you have proved so far, if you think Bachchan had no part to play in the success of Mohabbatein/K3G/Brahmastra.

        As for you barking on the flops, it doesnt matter. For someone who had built that astounding legacy over the seventies and eighties, even 50 flops in later years do not matter. Sick people like you need an excuse in the name of ‘analysis’ to list and bark on the flops. 26 successes in 23 years as I said – Let SRK deliver this after he turns 58 and we can talk. And he can dance around naked in the streets and around the trees with his arms and other thing stretched out, romancing his own daughter in his own home productions for all i care.

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      • Karan Johar himself acknowledged ABs significance in K3G. Some buddhijeevis seem to know more than makers of their own films..
        https://www.outlookindia.com/art-entertainment/karan-johar-says-k3g-title-track-fulfilled-his-dream-of-working-with-lata-mangeshkar-amitabh-bachchan-news-257747
        Even HR was the reigning #1 when K3G was conceptualized, post KNPHs success and MKs historic initial.

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      • “This is where Dilip Kumar was king where he played a lead actor till the last film and walked away instead of delivering over 40 Flops/Disasters…” – I’d rather have him give 40 flops like Jhund & Runway than even sign a B grade film like Qila. Production houses and casting directors know their economics far better than you for them to be signing him in tentpoles like Brahmastra 2 and Project K till date. And yes WAR was a genuine parallel lead to begin with, only that HR outshone (like AB did in AAA). If your fantasies are willing to believe SRKs hamming act outstone ABs stoic in Mohabbatein & K3G, good for you.

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      • “I can guarantee you SRK won’t be relying on another actor and play 2nd fiddle at age 58 to get a blockbuster/superhit like mohabataain/k3g.
        Same goes for aamir, salman, Hr. I don’t see them playing 2nd fiddle anytime soon.” – since they all have already done so at their prime in films like Hey Ram, Hum Tumhare Hai Sanam, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham and Baghban.

        1. Answer me now when was the last actor in the pre AB era or from ABs era delivering hits and super hits in their 60s and 70s.
        2. By your analogy of longevity = magnitude of stardom, Kriti Sanon >> Madhuri & Shraddha Kapoor >> Sridevi. And of course Tom Cruise >>>> Robert De Niro, technological advances per generation be damned! *slow claps*

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  21. Aman Basha Says:

    People, please calm down, Z also thinks AR Rahman is a bad composer and Nadeem Shravan, Anand Milind are better than him. The man’s constant is his bad taste.
    Comparison between stars of different generations is rather unfair in the first place. And wasn’t Aaj Ka Arjun a huge hit when Amitabh was 50, even Hum is a big hit.
    Z can claim he’s raising an innocent question but it’s a wrong question, don’t even know why people are bothering to respond and fight so much.
    There is also no bigger Bachchan fan than SRK, just see the Romantics for proof.

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    • LOL, when did i say anadmiliand is better than Rehman? Show me please?

      I did say Nadeem-Shravan had more hits then Rehman. If you want to argue that, go ahead but you’ll have hard time providing me wrong on this one.

      People like you just are complete dishonest and make up stuff that i didn’t even say.

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      • Aman Basha Says:

        Because Anand Milind, thieves as they are, gave better music than Nadeem Shravan with QSQT which I don’t think Nadeem Shravan ever topped.
        And the problem is you’re someone who thinks the world revolves around North India, Rahman was dishing out hits in multiple languages across the globe, and transformed Indian music today. But for you what matters is Nadeem Shravan gave more hits than ARR. Which itself is debatable, are you going by albums sold, success of films or only Hindi?

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        • Only Hindi.. since Pathaan > BB2 based on NETT alone when even GROSS figures of BB2 unadjusted are still higher than Pathaan by 60 Crs.

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        • this is becoming laughable.

          We’re talking about hindi films so yes, hindi song album.

          i’m not from north india so i don’t think world revolves around north india, again you keep assuming things and putting words into my mouth. I’m from Gujarat which isn’t exactly in north india.

          Anyways, keep going with your assumption and then presenting it as i’ve said it when in fact, there’s nothing you can prove which suggest i’ve said whatever you’re saying i did.

          Just couple posts in this threads proves you make up stuff and present it like i said it.

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        • In hindi (i know nothing about south film industry and I don’t come here claiming i know anything about it), Nadeem-Shravaan gave more hit than Rehman. If you’re going to aruge about that then you really don’t know hindi film industry/ hindi belt at all.

          I’m not talking about quality of the music, just saying hit hindi movie album, NS trumps rehman.

          Now, you can turn this into anything you want, add/assume everything i didn’t say to make your self look good.

          If i come to you saying change my car front left tire, you guys will end up changing all 4 tires, engine, transmission, all 4 doors, etc… based on assumption 😉

          Aashiqi songs became so popular that they made a movie afterward.

          Aashiqi, Saajan, Phool Aur Kaante, Dil hai Ke Manta Nahin, Pardes, sadak, deewana, raja hindustani, raaz, dhadkan, jaan tere naam, damini, dilwale, raja, sirf tum, Dhadkan, etc… All musical hits…

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        • “this is becoming laughable.” – already was ever since you’ve been repeatedly asking the same obnoxious question like a 🦜 despite being answered half a dozen times. Correction to my above comment btw.. the last major solo Super hit with 2 cr+ footfalls was Aaj ka Arjun and not Shehenshah. Hum had 2+ admits as well but was only a Hit due to huge acquisition costs (fancy the distributors paying a premium for the Mukul-AB combo despite Agneepath’s below average run. Its what you call organic Megastardom!)

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        • I call 40 Flops/Disasters just in past 23 years pretty ORGANIC too… 😉

          Like I said, i hope the likes of SRK/HR/Salman/Devgun/Aamir retires with grace and dignity before delivering more then 40 FLOPS/DISASTERS in span of 23 years…

          But I do understand why bachchan is doing it. The fear of losing it all like he did after his company went bankrupt, would make one keep working and earning as much as you can. specially since abhishek career didn’t go anywhere.

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        • Vijay Shivaay Says:

          40 flops and 23 successes is the kind of record your so called “superstars” like Akshay, Ajay, Govinda and Sunny Deol have had all their careers. Funny that you’re willing to look down upon this phase despite AB being well past his prime. Don’t worry about his family worth 1000s of Crs with below the belt remarks. I can understand you perhaps cannot understand the real meaning of “dedication towards your professional craft” and “workoholism”. At least Bachchan Jr would never spend a day in his life with the agony of being labelled a drug peddler whose done time in prison. Too much on screen baa baaing & meh-ing about his minority identity by daddy dearest and poor Suhana might end up in Priya Dutt’s predicament of having to clear her bro’s name for the rest of her life 🤣

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  22. tonymontana Says:

    Seems the blog has moved on from Pathaan’s collections to ganging up on Z because he is not on the same page as others.

    Relax, he has an opinion. There are bigger things in life and in movies to discuss. Funny we have been stuck on AB’s stardom and what his movies made for the past 34 days.

    That AB is the greatest has been established; why aren’t we moving on?

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  23. Aman Basha Says:

    Actually Z, you wanted to look at success percentage of Amitabh’s post 2000s career, so let’s look at Nadeem Shravan’s total list of albums, they’ve done more than a 100 out of which only 19 were big musical hits.
    AR Rahman has done 41 Hindi albums, there’s Rangeela, Dil Se, Taal, Lagaan, Saathiya, Swades, Rang De Basanti, Guru, Jodha Akbar, JTYJN, Delhi-6, Ghajini, Rockstar, Raanjhnaa, Tamasha and just in the past few years popular albums like Highway, Dil Bechara and Atrangi Re. I’m not even including his dubbed Hindi successes like Roja, Bombay, Gentleman, Thiruda Thiruda, Jeans, Hindustani etc.
    Either way, ARR>Nadeem Shravan. There’s a reason why Subhash Ghai, though Pardes was a very good album, went for ARR for everything after Taal.

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    • your definition of successful album is different from mine i guess.

      What’s popular about atrangi re, highway, dil bechara as a WHOLE album?

      Swades?

      All of NS hit albums were musical hits, not one or two songs, just about the WHOLE album…(Again, not saying anything about quality of music which i think is pretty bad but i’m also realist where i will acknowledge someones success without trying to degrade them)

      Aashiqi, Saajan, Phool Aur Kaante, Dil hai Ke Manta Nahin, Pardes, sadak, deewana, raja hindustani, raaz, dhadkan, jaan tere naam, damini, dilwale, raja, sirf tum, Dhadkan, etc…

      In each one of these movies, music played a huge part in it’s success.

      For Rehman, in Rangeela and Taal , music played a huge part, specially taal.

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      • Aman Basha Says:

        In any movie, music plays a role in success through different forms. Nadeem Shravan didn’t score for the directors who chose ARR (because ARR was insanely talented) so their music stood out while ARR scored for movies that overall were very strong, but film’s content can be bettered by music, even background score (which NS never did and ARR does even today btw). So success of films on music can’t be quantified, is Amar Prem a hit only because of RDB’s score? Does that make the score any less great or less sucessful?
        So, if you’re going by success rate of the film or the album, clearly ARR is better. But even in NS’s repertoire, do you remember Kora Kagaz Ud Gaya from Damini? Would anyone call Damini’s music a great album or great success? Similarly, Raja has 12 songs out of which only 4 are the biggies. Swades has 7 songs out of which 3 are the biggies.
        Atrangi Re is a great album which is also a big success with every song well received and good views.
        This argument would work better from SEL or Jatin Lalit or even Pritam IMO.

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  24. This is excellent fan made-cut and treat to all Agneepath fans..Great persona Amitji had in this movie..nobody can match this screen presence

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    • This is an OUTSTANDING tribute. His silences roar a 1000 decibel than his words, and that too, in a film as physical and verbose as one can get.

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    • My only wish from this movie was to hear Amitabh’s original voice for the movie which was released for 1-2 days and received lot of flak that he had instantly re-dub the movie and then re-add the prints. It was too late and the film flopped anyway. That voice is nowhere to be seen in satellite versions. The later voice was huge hit on video and then later on TV and gave it the cult status and even National Award next year.

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    • Original Agneepath was an Avg/Below Avg fare, not a flop by any means. It was the 4th highest grosser of 1990 with over 15 million admits. The flop theory was propagated by Johar’s PR pre release of the 2012 version to milk the cow and extract the profits. BOI later on terming the OG as a ‘snoozefest’ only confirms the obvious. All the trade archives I have my hands on termed Agneepath as classification B.

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      • Trade classifications are just that but theatrically its a flop and rejected movie. All movies with good openings will end up being below average or Average. If you go trade wise and check even Mangal Pandey or Tees Maar Khan will be average but I don’t think folks who were during it’s release will call them as Average but rather flops. Below Average is kinder classification of a flop. But you can call it Average, doesn’t make a difference.

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        • Heck people call Ra.One as flop as well when it did 115 crores Nett in 2011.

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        • Good for you if you believe Agneepath to be a ‘rejected’ film despite being one of ABs biggest cults over the years. We do not have legit data on 1990 box office numbers to know the trending so I’ll leave it at that. Neither Mangal Pandey nor Ra.1 and definitely not TMK have gained any level of status or following amongst their fanbase the way Agneepath has among AB fans over the years.

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        • Hera Pheri is universally liked film,and is above average..Tmk is semi hit.Komal Nahata’s verdicts for some films are not believable.

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      • I kind of agree that Below Average fares usually have the common perception of Flops. FI for example lists Below Average films with the Flops in ‘The Rest’ category. In that way, Agneepath was Below Average with a public perception of a flop movie. But it has indeed gained cult status among fans, so its different.

        Examples of Ra.One and Mangal Pandey are not apt here. Trade classification of Ra.One was commission earner to overflow, while Mangal Pandey was average to commission earner. None of these two were Below Average fares. Both took great openings but did not trend well, so common perception is that the movies did not work. But both did relatively better than Agneepath.

        TMK was indeed a Below Average film like Agneepath. But it is not a cult film.

        One needs to take care of subtleties before commenting like one is an expert.

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        • Every actor’s dedicated fanbase has its own set of Below Avg/Flops which have attained cult status among the respective fan group. Swades for SRK fans, Andaz Apna Apna for Aamir fans, Lakshya for HR fans, Hera Pheri for Akshay, Bhagat Singh for Ajay fans, Tamasha for Ranbir fans are just a few more examples of die hard fan based cults. Box office classifications and results are the only aspect that’s not based on perception and is by & large independent of fan favoritism (from legit sources, not fan sites like BOI). If an Avg/Below avg film is being passed off as a flop by media built perception its only unfortunate. There’s no rational way in which Agneepath deserves the same verdict as a Swades or Legend of Bhagat Singh especially when you look at its collections.

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        • Just now u passed off Andaz Apna Apna as Below Average. If you actually check it is Commission Earner by FI and thus Above Average. This is even worse than Master calling Agneepath a Flop.

          Anyways, people talk loosely without checking facts – THAT is a fact. There is no point in taking offense. The public perception dictates the conversation.

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        • Was only an example of a cult. Mentioned Hera pheri as well. Very well aware neither AAA nor HP are flops.

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        • It’s the perception which rides everything. Agneepath, AAA, Swades all didn’t work at the boxoffice. They can be various degress of their business and recover from below Average to Average but that doesn’t change the fact all of them failed at boxoffice. I know what I’m talking about and using trade classifications doesn’t change the fact. Even Tees Maar Khan is classified as Semi-Hit as BOI and no one would call it as any kind of success from the producers or directors. I already said that Agneepath gained cult status later on satellite and video tapes but it was out in cinemas pretty quickly and was considered too dark for Amitabh bachchan film and not for families.

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        • All the more amusing why Aamir himself defends AAA as a flop in almost all interviews when he can actually put the record straight.

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        • Even Salman Khan once asked AAA being cult hit, he said – what’s the point when released, producer (Vinay Sinha) of AAA suffered most and was never able to make another movie after this one.

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        • It was a loss maker for the producer, not the distributors. Trade dynamics were a different ball game pre satellite era. FI classifies based on distributor share alone.

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        • Either ways cult status is obviously pointless & has no value for a Salman Khan. Even his die hard fans are aware of the preposterous nature of his films. His fanbase itself is a cult 😜

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        • @Master – You obviously have no clue of what you are talking about, as you are clubbing everything from overflows, commission earners, averages and below averages into one ridiculous bracket that these films did not work. As for BOI’s silly verdicts, you can for once shove it onto srk’s arse. Thats what they are worth.

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        • I dont know who the producer is, but Rajkumar Santoshi insists in all his interviews that AAA did moderately well.

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        • Hera Pheri was a notch below AAA at BO. It did well only in a couple of circuits and was overall Coverage/Average as per FI. Swades was an outright flop.

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        • Lol @Marcus. Reading some trade magazines will not make you an expert. Everyone has access to those from years but that’s again just someone’s classification. In reality there is no official classification for movies. It’s either the movie’s made money or they didn’t. I think I mentioned earlier the issue in such classification but don’t want to get into your fantasy posts about the boxoffice. Without any real 1st hand knowledge and reading some magazines after decades and saying AAA was average is funny. As I said, go ahead and continue doing it. I wasn’t even getting into this discussion and my comment about Agneepath was more about his original voice which you guys are not even aware but stuck on calling it flop. Carry on.

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  25. “All the more amusing why Aamir himself defends AAA as a flop in almost all interviews when he can actually put the record straight.”

    Not true. I have heard him saying AAA did not do well, but never said it was a flop. Can u provide a link plz?

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  26. So all these following movies can be called as the same at BO???? What kind of logic is this? Its sheer lack of BO knowledge.

    Ra.One – Semi-Hit/Overflow

    Andaz Apna Apna – Above Average/Commission Earner

    Mangal Pandey – Average/Coverage
    Hera Pheri – Average/Coverage

    Tees Maar Khan – Below Average
    Lahshya – Below Average
    Agneepath – Below Average

    Swades – Flop

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    • If AAA is above average then it would have been termed Hit in those times not flop. It was released badly without much promotion and just vanishes but turned out to be huge hit in video and satellite.

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      • Komal Nahata but I dont need his opinion as well on this one. It didn’t work anywhere all over India except some in Mumbai.

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        • Just go and find folks who watched it big screen, you will find hard time to find them. It came and went without any awareness. Being Above Average is joke of all times. The problem is this folks think this is against Aamir and if I say about Agneepath, they think I’m deciding Amitabh. Can’t fight these assumptions.

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      • Why would an Above Average film be called a Hit in those times? What new stupidity is this?

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    • Again a lot of bullshit and a half-baked story to support one’s moronic stance. Yes, AAA had release issues. It did not have much of promotion, it had a sandwiched release and even the prints arrived late. So in the opening week it took a drubbing.

      But thats half the story. It hung around and did moderately well in its entire run. It was hardly a hit, but recovered its investment and some more. You want proof?

      1. Rajkumar Santoshi, the director himself, ascertained AAA was average at box office in his interviews this year when Godse was releasing.

      2. IF it was a washout from day one, then how come Nahta is saying that it did well in some cities in his interview? Isnt that contradictory? Most Aamir films in nineties used to work only in cities and not uniformly across circuits. That does not mean the movie was a flop. If thats your logic then everything from Aamir in the nineties is a flop.

      3. The movie made 5-6 cr nett collections during its release. That amount was not insignificant in those times and a washout film would NEVER had collected that much.

      Anyways, its futile to argue **edited**. It doesnt matter.

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  27. Found Aamir’s interview just now and without even reading the points are same as I mentioned. Bad release and no awareness and flopped right away without even chance for public to like or dislike. It doesn’t matter what a magazine calls it now.

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    https://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/andaz-apna-apna-didn-t-get-a-fair-chance-aamir-khan/story-Qf5eCpovjACIPEXAJN9k1L.html

    Unfortunately, back then, the film didn’t perform very well at the box office. At the time, little did the makers know that the film would earn one of the largest cult followings Bollywood has ever witnessed.

    With only a few weeks left for the film to turn 20 years old (in April), we talk to Aamir, or Amar, like the film’s fans know him, about why the movie didn’t fare well, and whether it would stand a better chance in theatres today.

    Did you ever analyse why AAA didn’t do well commercially?
    Actually, I loved the film. I thought it was fantastic. When it didn’t do well in theatres, I was like, ‘

    Kya hua yaar?
    What went wrong?’ But one of the obvious things that went wrong was that no one knew when it released. It was that big a disaster. It was a washout (smiles).

    Kisi ne dekhi hi nahi film
    (no one watched it).

    So, there was no publicity around it at the time?
    The distributors weren’t sure whether they were going to get the delivery of the film. In the market, the release date had been announced, but they weren’t sure whether it would release. So the distributors didn’t take the delivery of the prints. They were like, ‘But what if we don’t get it.’ They felt if they put up the posters (and the film doesn’t release), the public would kill them. So no one started the publicity. Finally, the delivery was done on Monday. On Tuesday, in some territories, the film was publicised for only three days.

    Weren’t people excited to see Salman and you together?
    There were a lot of people waiting for the film. Not just today, our combination was strong even at that time. I was coming after Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak (1988) and Dil (1990), and Salman was coming after a bunch of successful films, including Maine Pyaar Kiya (1989). So it was a big star cast even for that time.

    What made it a cult film?
    I don’t think it got a fair chance (back then). It’s only later that people discovered it on TV and realised that it’s very good. It became a cult film on home entertainment.

    Do you think it would do well if it releases today?
    Now everyone has seen it (smiles). I don’t know whether they will come to the theatres to watch something they can watch for free on TV.

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    • Back to your high headed and filthy uncle Sam ways of attempting to equate a celebrated 15m+ footfall high grossing underperformer like Agneepath with a rank por grosser like AAA. All this after repeated rubbish posts praising the so called success of a junk film like Ra.1 which performed exactly the same as the so called flop Agneepath in statistical terms. And obviously your laughable comment (in sync with the sensibilities of your American desi dolts) about Don’s cult status when factually even the sequel of the stammering con artists’ Don hardly performed beyond 3-4 major cities in its main domestic market and was yawned upon by SRKs gang of cults themselves. **edited** how a 2 bit cross dressing criminal like Kjo is Hindi cinema’s messiah or some media shy nepotist bimbo has pulled off the greatest franchise on the planet with some imbecile spy universe (the plots for which have the iq of a 10 year old, perhaps CIAs collective acumen in itself).

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      • And just in case you choose to have blinkers, every damn AB fan is well aware of Agneepath’s dubbing issues and how the original reels had his audience vandalizing theaters due to its unacceptance. It was a shrill chalkish version of his voice as confirmed by exhibitors of the era. In no way does that imply that the film bombed or that the updated re-dubbed prints didn’t find an audience.

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  28. tonymontana Says:

    Andaz Apna Apna is one of my most favourite films ever. Lost count of how many times I’ve seen it.

    Aamir’s street smart know it all and Salman’s dumb act was utilised very well.

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