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Chennai Box Office – Mar 5 to 7
Wednesday, 10 March , 2010, 15:43
Gautham Vasudeva Menon’s Vinnaithandi Varuvaaya is a hit. The film is doing very well in Chennai, where it is miles ahead of its competitors and is the clear number one, second week in the running.
At number two is Aval Peyar Tamilarasi, which opened to rave reviews. In third position is Thambikku Intha Ooru, which is a mass entertainer.
In fourth place is Tamil Padam, which can be termed as the sleeper super hit of the year.
In fifth position is Theeratha Vilayattu Pillai, which is holding on purely on the strength of Sun Pictures’ fantastic marketing
I would love to see Sunny gets success. He doesn’t come across as manipulative and copy cat. I was wondering when he is going to launch his son Rockey.
So far Right ya Wrong is getting pretty good reviews. I dont expect the film to be a hit, but its nice to see Sunny doing something good instead of the silly stuff we’ve seen him in over the last decade plus.
Pro SRK??? Did you also notice that the net figures for the movie came DOWN from 2002 to 2003? All this ‘hit’ ‘superhit’ tag is subjective. Also, both PDBHH and Asoka are outright flops. Why didn’t they change that??? Who could have stopped them from making both ‘below average’?
Flops ko Below Average status does no good. But Average ko Hit status bloats SRK ego … All movies Devdas, KHNH, KKHH, DDLJ, VZ, MHN have been upped a lievel or two !!
Satyam, don’t know where to put this piece, but here goes. BOI has been very slyly upping SRK movie status over the years. The truth has been exposed thanks to webarchive.org. Here are the links for all fake verdicts that I could get from BOI.
B.O. update: New releases open to poor response
– By Taran Adarsh, March 13, 2010 – 10:03 IST
The new releases – RIGHT YAAA WRONG, HIDE & SEEK and NA GHAR KE NA GHAAT KE – opened to poor houses on Friday. The opening was shockingly poor at several parts of the country, although the feedback to RIGHT YAAA WRONG and HIDE & SEEK specifically has been good. The business during evening shows was affected largely due to the IPL inaugural match. Let’s hope things improve on Saturday and Sunday.
Another instance of personal abuse from [edited] (Satyam, goes to prove your generalization). This after vowing one day before not to talk to me, Rajeev, who pretends to be fair and unbiased resorts to hurling personal abuses.
You be the judge whether these personal abuses are justified or not. IMHO, another embarassment for SRK fanatics !!!!
[Context… DDLJ did not do well in Bihar and did only 75 lacs business]
[edited]
Jeevcy, I see your point completely but I don’t think it’s constructive to have such negative discussions from elsewhere reproduced here, especially when the folks in question are the same. I also don’t think we’re getting anywhere with this — Satyam
Satyam, above chat proves how spot on you were with your assessment. Hats off to you, mate !!!
Satyam Says:
March 9, 2010 at 9:33 AM
I can generalize because in my experience this has been true 99.9% of the time. I do not exaggerate in the slightest. It’s not about Bachchan v SRK here. With no other star have I seen this. yes every star has obsessive fans but they’re a part of the mix not the whole itself. By the way it’s not just online. It’s been remarkable to me over the years to discover people I run into elsewhere (not online) also come up with more or less the same arguments for SRK. The thing in a nutshell is this: if you say something about SRK most of his fans TAKE IT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK. Similarly if you criticize his films on any grounds whatsoever his fans will do anything to try and change as they say the basic fact pattern!
I was following Box Office India since around 2002. They had Devdas at around 28.6 cr during the year when it released. They rated it as above average. There was the Questions and Answers section already back then and they replied to someone who was asking about Devdas’ box office status. They were quoted as saying that it was a media-hit rather than a trade-hit. Box office-wise it wasn’t a hit due to the huge selling price, they said. They also went on to explain what was a trade hit compared to a media hit.
In reply to another question they also compared Devdas to Deol’s The Hero (which made 25cr compared to Devdas’ 28.6cr according to them). They said both movies were losers for the producers but small earners for distributors.
I have observed that BOI have gradually adopted a more pro-SRK in the following years. You will be surprised to learn that they had forcasted that Bachan starrer ATHWS would be the movie to break Gadar’s record back then. But then maybe they were trying to be more generous to Bobby Deol and Anil Sharma.
However, Devdas to me is above average rather than anything else. A section of the media hail it as a block-buster these days. BOI made the right point back then. It is a media-hit rather than a trade hit. The producer was quoted as saying the movie cost him 50 cr, but it ended up only making slighly more than half its budget in its run in India.
“All clearly izz not well in B town. The beginning of the year might have carried forward the glow of 3 Idiots but since then there’s been very little to cheer about. Yes, My Name Is Khan managed to create a flutter at the box office, but it didn’t even come close to smashing it.”
Sorry to be off topic, but I have a question about Malayalam box office. Does anyone, like GF, for instance, know how a film called “Bodyguard” did? It was released last year, I believe. Some people call it a superhit, and others, who say they saw it, claim it’s a piece of trash. Of course the two statements are not necessarily mutually exclusive … 🙂 But I’d like to get some objective data, if possible, rather than people’s subjective opinions. I’d appreciate any help people here can give.
Haven’t seen it, so I can’t speak to its quality, and unfortunately objective or consistent sources for box office data don’t really exist online. I’d heard that it did well from folks who have seen it in Kerala, but again don’t have a real read on it. Sorry to not be more helpful!
This is a Dileep film and he’s a star that’s hard for me to stomach in this kind of action-oriented role, so I can’t imagine I’d respond well to it. But on a quick search online it seems that it’s being remade in several languages (maybe with Salman in Hindi – also the remake factor might indicate a genuine box-office victory for the original) which might rectify that kind of casting issue…
Haven’t seen it either, but I believe it was just about average at the box office. Given that it was quite widely hyped as the return of Nayanthara to Malayalam and the first Siddique directed movie in quite a while, that was considered a disappointment.
Thanks, GF and Chipguy, for your responses. Yes, there are rumors that it is being remade in Hindi with Salman, which prompted my interest. The newspaper article refers to it as a “superhit” in Malayalam, while some members of one Salman fan group are deriding it as a terrible movie and one that flopped in Malayalam. I was just trying to determine if their calling it a flop was merely reflective of their dislike for the film, or if it had any rational basis. One Malayalam film site I found listed it as among the top five films of the year. I would hardly expect anyone to be interested in remaking a flop, so it probably did all right.
The story itself doesn’t sound very exciting, and the trailer for it that I saw on youtube looked very uneven. I did think, however, from that trailer, that it seemed more like a comedy than an actual action film. I share your lack of enthusiasm for Dileep, GF. 🙂 There were some rumors, after the release of Wanted, that Prabhudeva would direct Salman in a romantic comedy next, and that the heroine would be Nayantara. I wonder if this was the film those rumors were referring to.
Anyway, thanks again for your help. The bottom line seems to be that this film doesn’t deserve so much time to be spent discussing it. 🙂
Re: “One Malayalam film site I found listed it as among the top five films of the year. I would hardly expect anyone to be interested in remaking a flop…”
Don’t be too sure! Priyadarshan is a shining exception to this.
On “Bodyguard”: I never knew Nayanthara is “from” the Malayalee film industry. Has she been in any good films, or was her image there also more in the vamp/item woman vein?
Nayanthara’s debut was in Sathyan Anthikkad’s “Manasinakkare” opposite Jayaram. She played a very rooted, tyoical village girl quite excellently. Her other roles in Malayalam. opposite Mammootty in Raapakal for instance, were very similar and she was considered quite a good actress. She completely changed her image to get into Tamil- and never looked back, at least till Bodyguard.
In the US Alice in Wonderland does 62m over the second weekend for a total gross of 208m.
Avatar is still amazingly stable. After dropping a huge number of screens (to make way for Alice) it’s still only dropped 18%. It’s gone upto 730 m though with 6m this weekend it might not go upto 800m, which till Alice’s release seemed very likely.
Green Zone opened at 14.5m.
Shutter Island meanwhile is also very stable. It’s gone up to 108m. With one more strong weekend it could equal the 130m or so the Departed made. I think it’s more creditable for the former than the latter despite the gap between the two releases because Departed was a far easier subject to digest for greater cross-sections of the audience and it certainly had more stars!
MNIK’s run with 57k (5th weekend) is basically done. It will just about touch the 4m mark. Here’s a quick comparison incidentally. In 2004 VZ did about 3m. In it’s 5th weekend the film did 91k. KANK in ’06 did 28k over the same weekend though the one just prior to this was a long Labor day weekend and the film was quite strong at that point. KANK did 3.2m overall but trended somewhat better than MNIK.
In ’06 RDB did 127k over its fifth weekend despite having a total of just 2.2m (though this was a great number for a non-SRK film at the time). Guru did 60k in early ’07 the same weekend to get to a total of 2.1m. These are random examples but there are many others that could be provided. I am not even getting into some bigger grossers. The point though is that MNIK leaving aside the massive weekend did a relatively quick slide even in the US. And I am not even getting into screen count issues here!
this includes India as part of the ‘foreign total’ because the other countries just amount to roughly 7m.
And this is as of Mar 14. we’re looking at 160 crores. The Indian number is roughly 24m which translates into 109 crores which is obviously the gross figure for India and which is still the exaggerated one provided by Fox as we’ve seen all along.
The gross international figures are US$ 16.33 million, which, according to Fox, makes MY NAME IS KHAN the highest grossing Bollywood film in the overseas markets. Some of the key territories contributing are:-
North America – US$ 3.92 million
UK – GBP 2.55 million – highest-ever for Bollywood film
Middle East – US$ 3.7 million – highest-ever for Bollywood film
Australia and New Zealand – US$ 1.07 million
Also, Pakistan, Indonesia and Singapore have cumulatively given approx. US$ 1.7 million. The break-up is as follows:- Pakistan US$ 550k, Indonesia US$ 750k, Singapore – US$ 404k [highest-ever for Bollywood film].
73.50cr and Flop. Is that good or bad. How does it work? Is Flop better than a HIT ?
Last heard Papa made 33cr and KI did 45cr. One superhit and one Hit. Now Tees maar khan sold for 55cr, Don2 sold for 105cr and Kites for 120cr. It is so difficult to compare one film with other; though for their magnitude they should be freely comparable.. baaaah!
what happens if mnik producers return 30cr from the 100cr back to distributors. will the flop/hit be renegotiated on a 70cr base?
.srk is lucky to have this kinda star power where even worst of his films make so much money.
and where did u read about don2.i am very sure about reliance picking this up bcoz i have someone related to me working ther as regional manager.
but 105 crores???
It’s all a bit benial to collect revenue $ vs. cost etc like you say IMO. Exactly, if 30Cr was returned do we re-negotiate the classification? My point would be we don’t. Audience has spoken. Proof is in the pudding. The film opened to big first week and since then the film has trended pretty poorly. If the film can open big, it can trend well. Ghajini, 3 Idiots, OSO, D2, Krrish showed this. MNIK has not. Enough evidence to suggest on the whole the audience have found it to be an underperformer and underwhelming film experience. End off. Same with KANK, same with MP. History will see them as failed experiences, never mind what classifications BOI cook up for it!
Fox, SRK and Karan can count how much money they have made. More important is whether there reputations have gone UP or DOWN after MNIK. That stock position is surely lower then before the film released.
The point about MNIK is its 1) Cost is huge 2) Fox are involved 3) Brings together SRK, Kajol and Karan
No one spends huge amounts of money to make a loss. And anyone spending huge amounts of money should inadvertedly translate into a movie with high expectations. Fox’s involvement increases the market capacity abroad and brings plenty of media attention. Point 3) is simple, after the run of KKHH, DDLJ, K3G and mid 90’s films, the linkage and expectation is big.
Genre – well its not an offbeat film. It’s grim at times, but it has a first half which is about courtship and light hearted moments. On balance its a triumphant story too. And there is romance.
It had all the ingredients to be a super grosser. Simple economics suggests this. The money poured in suggests the makers, the financers believed the story could be huge.
So it should be treated as big film, mounted on an ambitious back-drop and should be judged accordingly. This is not quite RNBDJ, which was smaller in size. This is more the OSO deal but with a less audience friendly subject BUT still gives the staple SRK/Kajol love story romance in a different avatar.
So yes 73Cr [or whatever the figure is] in India is underwhelming. Considering LAK, Wanted, APKGK make 60Cr+. And lets not forget who knows what MNIK would have made without all the pre-release controversy which gave it every single damn headline in news possible. It was everywhere.
Overseas one can call it a success. The point here is despite decent trending, its still set records.
The fact is SRK is a bigger star overseas then he is in India. His films do proportionality more and better business overseas vs. India then other stars. But I think now, in India his films do not match up to the power that Aamir and Hrithik can create. They are officially to me bigger stars then SRK in India. At least Aamir is by a long shot.
“73.50cr and Flop. Is that good or bad. How does it work? Is Flop better than a HIT ?”
Ravi,
1). If fox has bought the rights in 100 cr then for them 73.50 cr NETT in India would mean around 45 cr….and if worldwide the film has done 50 cr then for Fox, it would mean around 30 cr – so 45 + 30 = 75 cr on investment of 100 cr + 10-15 cr marketing – which is FLOP for fox
2). For SRK/Kjo – the film would have made huge profits on table for rights sold to FOX + DVD + Satelite + audiot etc. – so for them it is a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER
FOX could end up on either side. If on a 100 cr investment, you end up making 2-3 cr profits, you ain’t gonna be thrilled. Also, if they make a 2-3 cr loss, they are not gonna have sleepless nights about it. But, the profits (if any) are marginal and in hindsight, this was not a good investment for FOX. They could have invested the 100 cr somewhere else and easily got much better returns.
SRK fans excuses for SRK film flops. These excuses have also become repetitive as SRK movies.
Each of SRK flops have been given some or the other excuse. Here are the examples
1. MNIK -> “Hey, movie was a hit and very loved by the audience. Also, ATBB overseas.” It is a different story that they wont agree that distributor did not make anything from this movie for his near 100 cr investment.
2. DMG -> “Not SRK movie. Move on!” It was promoted as one with him having a 60 min role and featuring in 3 songs anf 17 scenes. No, Fardeen was the Dulha. So what if people brought and sold this money on SRK’s name.
3. Billu -> “Again, not SRK movie!” But dude, SRK produced and marketed the movie on his name. No, they will still not agree.
4. YLKJ -> “SRK had dumped this movie”. So others should move on
5. Paheli -> “Experimentation movie!” Hence failure is not due to SRK
6. Asoka -> “Experimentation factor again.”
7. Swades -> “Experimentation factor again.”
8. Devdas -> “No, BOI has it as hit.” It is a different thing this was considered above average after it’s run, but BOI scam has made it certain SRK fans can argue
9. KHNH -> same excuse as Devdas
10. Hey Ram -> same excuse as Billu. Not SRK movie excuse
11. PBDHH -> Same excuse as Paheli. Experimentation movie
12. One 2 ka Four -> No one talks about this movie, so don’t know what excuse SRK fans have this time.
13. KANK -> Same excuse as MNIK. Is a hit, BOI says so.
14. Josh -> Same excuse as Devdas. Average movie pumped to Semi Hit by BOI.
Which one is it going to be for Ra.1? Or is it going to be a brand new excuse?
Wonder why Aamir. Hrithik, Akki, Salman fans don’t come up with the same list of excuses.
thats right jeevcy the amount of time you spend on srk but evertime you say the more truth comes out and thats a bugging thing for srk fans hence
hide the truth….keep on digging jeevcy…
now how does all these semi hits and average tag matter..
i think total amount a film makes at the box office should be considered.devdas was the highest grooser that year.thats it..no one lost money in it..
and DMG and hey ram are srk movies…even the most die hard fans did not care to check out DMG.
i know for most of you its good to see a longer list of srks failure.
btw jeevcy u forgot to include bhoothnath and luck by chance.
i didnt see LBC, but i believe his role was small, else we would have to include Kaal, Shakti, Krazzy 4, I see you and many more. 2 min roles should not be considered. Else credit for OSO and HB success need to be shared by Akki and SRK.
Atithi Tum Kab Jaoge? Remains Rock Steady On Second Monday
Tuesday 16th March 2010 17.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Atithi Tum Kab Jaoge? remained rock steady on its second Monday with around 80 lakhs nett business which is just 20% drop from its second Friday business of 1 crore nett.
The film is trending well after an ordinary start and will emerge an earner. The second week business looks to heading for the 7.50 crore nett region which will take its two week business to 23.25 crore nett.
Then in the weeks after the film could pick up anything from 5-8 crore nett depending on how it sustains and the amount of screen space it gets over the next few weeks.
Chennai Box Office (Mar 12 to 14)
Tuesday, 16 March , 2010, 16:05
VTV survives the IPL scare! Gautham Vasudev Menon’s Vinnaithaandi Varuvaayaa has survived the IPL opening weekend and netted nearly Rs 53 lakhs in its third weekend. In 17 days, VTV has taken a distributors’ share of around Rs 1.60 crore from Chennai city.
In second place is James Cameron’s Avatar, which has made a strong comeback as Sathyam Cinemas has increased its shows.
At number three is the rock steady Tamil Padam. In fourth place is Maathi Yosi, which had created a buzz thanks to its posters, but was unable to capitalise on it.
SATYAMSHOT 
March 12, 2010 at 2:03 AM
taran’s Right ya wrong review:
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movies/review/13717/index.html
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March 12, 2010 at 2:14 AM
Chennai Box Office – Mar 5 to 7
Wednesday, 10 March , 2010, 15:43
Gautham Vasudeva Menon’s Vinnaithandi Varuvaaya is a hit. The film is doing very well in Chennai, where it is miles ahead of its competitors and is the clear number one, second week in the running.
At number two is Aval Peyar Tamilarasi, which opened to rave reviews. In third position is Thambikku Intha Ooru, which is a mass entertainer.
In fourth place is Tamil Padam, which can be termed as the sleeper super hit of the year.
In fifth position is Theeratha Vilayattu Pillai, which is holding on purely on the strength of Sun Pictures’ fantastic marketing
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14934679&cid=13525926
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March 12, 2010 at 9:00 AM
I would love to see Sunny gets success. He doesn’t come across as manipulative and copy cat. I was wondering when he is going to launch his son Rockey.
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March 12, 2010 at 9:18 AM
Top 5: ‘Atithi’ leads, ‘Road, Movie’ extremely poor
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March 12, 2010 at 11:23 AM
So far Right ya Wrong is getting pretty good reviews. I dont expect the film to be a hit, but its nice to see Sunny doing something good instead of the silly stuff we’ve seen him in over the last decade plus.
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March 12, 2010 at 12:29 PM
HA HA HA .. CHECK RELAITY OF BOI :
2002
http://web.archive.org/web/20041211195242/boxofficeindia.com/2002.htm
2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202020335/boxofficeindia.com/shahrukh.htm
see how slowly Devdas went from above average to semihit and now a Hit.
ANY MORE DOUBTS THAT THIS IS A PRO SRK SITE
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March 12, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Pro SRK??? Did you also notice that the net figures for the movie came DOWN from 2002 to 2003? All this ‘hit’ ‘superhit’ tag is subjective. Also, both PDBHH and Asoka are outright flops. Why didn’t they change that??? Who could have stopped them from making both ‘below average’?
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March 13, 2010 at 12:33 AM
Flops ko Below Average status does no good. But Average ko Hit status bloats SRK ego … All movies Devdas, KHNH, KKHH, DDLJ, VZ, MHN have been upped a lievel or two !!
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March 13, 2010 at 12:16 AM
Satyam, don’t know where to put this piece, but here goes. BOI has been very slyly upping SRK movie status over the years. The truth has been exposed thanks to webarchive.org. Here are the links for all fake verdicts that I could get from BOI.
1. KKHH
BOI has it as ATBB today with 50 crore collections. In 2003, it had it as Super Duper Hit with 41 cr collections.
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202020335/boxofficeindia.com/shahrukh.htm
2. DDLJ
DDLJ flopped in Bihar with 0.75 cr collections as compared to HAHK (1.75 cr) and Raja Hindustani (3 cr). How can it be an ATBB?
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060414105525/http://www.boxofficeindia.com/
3. Devdas
BOI has been upiing Devdas from Above Average to Semi Hit to Hit
2002 – Devdas Above Average
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041211195242/boxofficeindia.com/2002.htm
2003 – Devdas Semi Hit
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202020335/boxofficeindia.com/shahrukh.htm
2010 – Devdas Hit on BOI
4. Kal Ho Na Ho
2004 – KHNK – Above Average on BOI
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040202023308/boxofficeindia.com/khnhtrack.htm
2010 – KHNH – Hit on BOI
5. Main Hoon Naa
2004 – Semi Hit
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040828125441/http://www.boxofficeindia.com/
2010 – Hit as per BOI
6. Veer Zara
2005 – Hit
Proof:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050123083930/http://boxofficeindia.com/
2010 – Superhit on BOI
Many such other instances of upping SRK movies exist.
While Aamir movies RDB has been changed from Superhit to Hit and TZP from BB to Super Hit.
Can you make a main thread of this post to have further discussion as this topic needs that attention?
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March 13, 2010 at 1:00 AM
Josh has also been upped from Above Average to Semi Hit
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202020335/boxofficeindia.com/shahrukh.htm
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March 13, 2010 at 12:45 AM
B.O. update: New releases open to poor response
– By Taran Adarsh, March 13, 2010 – 10:03 IST
The new releases – RIGHT YAAA WRONG, HIDE & SEEK and NA GHAR KE NA GHAAT KE – opened to poor houses on Friday. The opening was shockingly poor at several parts of the country, although the feedback to RIGHT YAAA WRONG and HIDE & SEEK specifically has been good. The business during evening shows was affected largely due to the IPL inaugural match. Let’s hope things improve on Saturday and Sunday.
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March 13, 2010 at 1:06 AM
Right Yaa Wrong Opens To Dull Response
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/boxdetail.php?page=shownews&articleid=1582&nCat=box_office_report
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March 13, 2010 at 2:52 AM
Another instance of personal abuse from [edited] (Satyam, goes to prove your generalization). This after vowing one day before not to talk to me, Rajeev, who pretends to be fair and unbiased resorts to hurling personal abuses.
You be the judge whether these personal abuses are justified or not. IMHO, another embarassment for SRK fanatics !!!!
[Context… DDLJ did not do well in Bihar and did only 75 lacs business]
[edited]
Jeevcy, I see your point completely but I don’t think it’s constructive to have such negative discussions from elsewhere reproduced here, especially when the folks in question are the same. I also don’t think we’re getting anywhere with this — Satyam
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March 13, 2010 at 3:07 AM
Satyam, above chat proves how spot on you were with your assessment. Hats off to you, mate !!!
Satyam Says:
March 9, 2010 at 9:33 AM
I can generalize because in my experience this has been true 99.9% of the time. I do not exaggerate in the slightest. It’s not about Bachchan v SRK here. With no other star have I seen this. yes every star has obsessive fans but they’re a part of the mix not the whole itself. By the way it’s not just online. It’s been remarkable to me over the years to discover people I run into elsewhere (not online) also come up with more or less the same arguments for SRK. The thing in a nutshell is this: if you say something about SRK most of his fans TAKE IT AS A PERSONAL ATTACK. Similarly if you criticize his films on any grounds whatsoever his fans will do anything to try and change as they say the basic fact pattern!
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March 13, 2010 at 4:51 AM
I was following Box Office India since around 2002. They had Devdas at around 28.6 cr during the year when it released. They rated it as above average. There was the Questions and Answers section already back then and they replied to someone who was asking about Devdas’ box office status. They were quoted as saying that it was a media-hit rather than a trade-hit. Box office-wise it wasn’t a hit due to the huge selling price, they said. They also went on to explain what was a trade hit compared to a media hit.
In reply to another question they also compared Devdas to Deol’s The Hero (which made 25cr compared to Devdas’ 28.6cr according to them). They said both movies were losers for the producers but small earners for distributors.
I have observed that BOI have gradually adopted a more pro-SRK in the following years. You will be surprised to learn that they had forcasted that Bachan starrer ATHWS would be the movie to break Gadar’s record back then. But then maybe they were trying to be more generous to Bobby Deol and Anil Sharma.
However, Devdas to me is above average rather than anything else. A section of the media hail it as a block-buster these days. BOI made the right point back then. It is a media-hit rather than a trade hit. The producer was quoted as saying the movie cost him 50 cr, but it ended up only making slighly more than half its budget in its run in India.
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March 13, 2010 at 5:01 AM
Same thing with MHN changed from Semi Hit to Hit
Same thing with Veer Zaara changed from Hit to Superhit
Same thing with Josh changed from Abv Average to Semi Hit
Same thing with KKKG changed from Hit to Superhit/BB
Same thing with KANK. Given a Hit tag when it was not a Trade Hit.
Same thing with KKHH. Never was a ATBB, but BOI a few years down the line provided that status. Till 2003, BOI had it as Super Duper Hit
DDLJ as well, was not a universal hit, but was given an ATBB tag by BOI.
When SRK movies are changing, why isnt the same yardstick applied to other actors?
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March 13, 2010 at 5:03 AM
Maybe in a few years, BOI will fakely change MNIK to All Time Blockbuster and 3 idiots to Super Hit. Who knows?
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March 13, 2010 at 5:24 AM
http://www.boxofficeindia.co.in/boxoffice_collection2.php
Atithi Tum Kab Jaoge? … 17,87,83,485
Road, Movie … 1,23,14,716
Karthik Calling Karthik … 2,57,08,566
My Name Is Khan … 1,16,23,210
Rokkk … 83,16,978
3 Idiots … 28,09,840
Teen Patti … 17,24,150
Ishqiya … 3,53,694
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March 13, 2010 at 11:53 AM
Jeevcy,
Thats a smart piece of work. If there ever was any doubt this nails it.
Hope, those wearing BOI chaddis take notice.
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March 13, 2010 at 6:20 PM
With few 3 Idiots, Bollywood wiser, thinner
“All clearly izz not well in B town. The beginning of the year might have carried forward the glow of 3 Idiots but since then there’s been very little to cheer about. Yes, My Name Is Khan managed to create a flutter at the box office, but it didn’t even come close to smashing it.”
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March 15, 2010 at 3:22 AM
Sorry to be off topic, but I have a question about Malayalam box office. Does anyone, like GF, for instance, know how a film called “Bodyguard” did? It was released last year, I believe. Some people call it a superhit, and others, who say they saw it, claim it’s a piece of trash. Of course the two statements are not necessarily mutually exclusive … 🙂 But I’d like to get some objective data, if possible, rather than people’s subjective opinions. I’d appreciate any help people here can give.
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March 15, 2010 at 8:43 AM
Haven’t seen it, so I can’t speak to its quality, and unfortunately objective or consistent sources for box office data don’t really exist online. I’d heard that it did well from folks who have seen it in Kerala, but again don’t have a real read on it. Sorry to not be more helpful!
This is a Dileep film and he’s a star that’s hard for me to stomach in this kind of action-oriented role, so I can’t imagine I’d respond well to it. But on a quick search online it seems that it’s being remade in several languages (maybe with Salman in Hindi – also the remake factor might indicate a genuine box-office victory for the original) which might rectify that kind of casting issue…
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March 15, 2010 at 8:57 AM
Haven’t seen it either, but I believe it was just about average at the box office. Given that it was quite widely hyped as the return of Nayanthara to Malayalam and the first Siddique directed movie in quite a while, that was considered a disappointment.
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March 16, 2010 at 2:51 AM
Thanks, GF and Chipguy, for your responses. Yes, there are rumors that it is being remade in Hindi with Salman, which prompted my interest. The newspaper article refers to it as a “superhit” in Malayalam, while some members of one Salman fan group are deriding it as a terrible movie and one that flopped in Malayalam. I was just trying to determine if their calling it a flop was merely reflective of their dislike for the film, or if it had any rational basis. One Malayalam film site I found listed it as among the top five films of the year. I would hardly expect anyone to be interested in remaking a flop, so it probably did all right.
The story itself doesn’t sound very exciting, and the trailer for it that I saw on youtube looked very uneven. I did think, however, from that trailer, that it seemed more like a comedy than an actual action film. I share your lack of enthusiasm for Dileep, GF. 🙂 There were some rumors, after the release of Wanted, that Prabhudeva would direct Salman in a romantic comedy next, and that the heroine would be Nayantara. I wonder if this was the film those rumors were referring to.
Anyway, thanks again for your help. The bottom line seems to be that this film doesn’t deserve so much time to be spent discussing it. 🙂
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March 16, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Re: “One Malayalam film site I found listed it as among the top five films of the year. I would hardly expect anyone to be interested in remaking a flop…”
Don’t be too sure! Priyadarshan is a shining exception to this.
On “Bodyguard”: I never knew Nayanthara is “from” the Malayalee film industry. Has she been in any good films, or was her image there also more in the vamp/item woman vein?
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March 16, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Nayanthara’s debut was in Sathyan Anthikkad’s “Manasinakkare” opposite Jayaram. She played a very rooted, tyoical village girl quite excellently. Her other roles in Malayalam. opposite Mammootty in Raapakal for instance, were very similar and she was considered quite a good actress. She completely changed her image to get into Tamil- and never looked back, at least till Bodyguard.
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March 16, 2010 at 4:39 PM
Wow, never knew that. I think she’s hot btw, she was smoking up the screen in that bikini scene from Ajith’s BILLA…
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March 16, 2010 at 6:22 PM
Couple of Nayanthara songs from her debut so you can see her pre-bikini avtaar. Pretty good Illayaraja soundtrack as well.
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March 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM
In the US Alice in Wonderland does 62m over the second weekend for a total gross of 208m.
Avatar is still amazingly stable. After dropping a huge number of screens (to make way for Alice) it’s still only dropped 18%. It’s gone upto 730 m though with 6m this weekend it might not go upto 800m, which till Alice’s release seemed very likely.
Green Zone opened at 14.5m.
Shutter Island meanwhile is also very stable. It’s gone up to 108m. With one more strong weekend it could equal the 130m or so the Departed made. I think it’s more creditable for the former than the latter despite the gap between the two releases because Departed was a far easier subject to digest for greater cross-sections of the audience and it certainly had more stars!
MNIK’s run with 57k (5th weekend) is basically done. It will just about touch the 4m mark. Here’s a quick comparison incidentally. In 2004 VZ did about 3m. In it’s 5th weekend the film did 91k. KANK in ’06 did 28k over the same weekend though the one just prior to this was a long Labor day weekend and the film was quite strong at that point. KANK did 3.2m overall but trended somewhat better than MNIK.
In ’06 RDB did 127k over its fifth weekend despite having a total of just 2.2m (though this was a great number for a non-SRK film at the time). Guru did 60k in early ’07 the same weekend to get to a total of 2.1m. These are random examples but there are many others that could be provided. I am not even getting into some bigger grossers. The point though is that MNIK leaving aside the massive weekend did a relatively quick slide even in the US. And I am not even getting into screen count issues here!
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March 15, 2010 at 6:37 PM
Munna:
MNIK global total:
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=mynameiskhan.htm
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March 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM
this includes India as part of the ‘foreign total’ because the other countries just amount to roughly 7m.
And this is as of Mar 14. we’re looking at 160 crores. The Indian number is roughly 24m which translates into 109 crores which is obviously the gross figure for India and which is still the exaggerated one provided by Fox as we’ve seen all along.
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March 15, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Midweek B.O.: ‘Atithi’ dominates, new releases lackluster!
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March 16, 2010 at 11:37 PM
Latest update: ‘M.N.I.K.’ India, international numbers
The weekly nett figures of MY NAME IS KHAN in India till week 5 are as follows:-
Week 1 – Rs. 48.45 crores
Week 2 – Rs. 17.06 crores
Week 3 – Rs. 5.92 crores
Week 4 – Rs. 1.65 crores
Week 5 – Rs. 42 lakhs [only weekend figures]
Total nett – Rs. 73.50 crores
The gross international figures are US$ 16.33 million, which, according to Fox, makes MY NAME IS KHAN the highest grossing Bollywood film in the overseas markets. Some of the key territories contributing are:-
North America – US$ 3.92 million
UK – GBP 2.55 million – highest-ever for Bollywood film
Middle East – US$ 3.7 million – highest-ever for Bollywood film
Australia and New Zealand – US$ 1.07 million
Also, Pakistan, Indonesia and Singapore have cumulatively given approx. US$ 1.7 million. The break-up is as follows:- Pakistan US$ 550k, Indonesia US$ 750k, Singapore – US$ 404k [highest-ever for Bollywood film].
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March 18, 2010 at 6:33 AM
73.50cr and Flop. Is that good or bad. How does it work? Is Flop better than a HIT ?
Last heard Papa made 33cr and KI did 45cr. One superhit and one Hit. Now Tees maar khan sold for 55cr, Don2 sold for 105cr and Kites for 120cr. It is so difficult to compare one film with other; though for their magnitude they should be freely comparable.. baaaah!
what happens if mnik producers return 30cr from the 100cr back to distributors. will the flop/hit be renegotiated on a 70cr base?
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March 18, 2010 at 6:48 AM
.srk is lucky to have this kinda star power where even worst of his films make so much money.
and where did u read about don2.i am very sure about reliance picking this up bcoz i have someone related to me working ther as regional manager.
but 105 crores???
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March 18, 2010 at 6:51 AM
It’s all a bit benial to collect revenue $ vs. cost etc like you say IMO. Exactly, if 30Cr was returned do we re-negotiate the classification? My point would be we don’t. Audience has spoken. Proof is in the pudding. The film opened to big first week and since then the film has trended pretty poorly. If the film can open big, it can trend well. Ghajini, 3 Idiots, OSO, D2, Krrish showed this. MNIK has not. Enough evidence to suggest on the whole the audience have found it to be an underperformer and underwhelming film experience. End off. Same with KANK, same with MP. History will see them as failed experiences, never mind what classifications BOI cook up for it!
Fox, SRK and Karan can count how much money they have made. More important is whether there reputations have gone UP or DOWN after MNIK. That stock position is surely lower then before the film released.
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March 18, 2010 at 6:52 AM
ravi btw its not 73.5..its around 60 crores nett….iss site pe ibos ka raj hai……
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March 18, 2010 at 7:07 AM
The point about MNIK is its 1) Cost is huge 2) Fox are involved 3) Brings together SRK, Kajol and Karan
No one spends huge amounts of money to make a loss. And anyone spending huge amounts of money should inadvertedly translate into a movie with high expectations. Fox’s involvement increases the market capacity abroad and brings plenty of media attention. Point 3) is simple, after the run of KKHH, DDLJ, K3G and mid 90’s films, the linkage and expectation is big.
Genre – well its not an offbeat film. It’s grim at times, but it has a first half which is about courtship and light hearted moments. On balance its a triumphant story too. And there is romance.
It had all the ingredients to be a super grosser. Simple economics suggests this. The money poured in suggests the makers, the financers believed the story could be huge.
So it should be treated as big film, mounted on an ambitious back-drop and should be judged accordingly. This is not quite RNBDJ, which was smaller in size. This is more the OSO deal but with a less audience friendly subject BUT still gives the staple SRK/Kajol love story romance in a different avatar.
So yes 73Cr [or whatever the figure is] in India is underwhelming. Considering LAK, Wanted, APKGK make 60Cr+. And lets not forget who knows what MNIK would have made without all the pre-release controversy which gave it every single damn headline in news possible. It was everywhere.
Overseas one can call it a success. The point here is despite decent trending, its still set records.
The fact is SRK is a bigger star overseas then he is in India. His films do proportionality more and better business overseas vs. India then other stars. But I think now, in India his films do not match up to the power that Aamir and Hrithik can create. They are officially to me bigger stars then SRK in India. At least Aamir is by a long shot.
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March 18, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Hey Jay, I am missing your Film Information updates. Why did you stop it?
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March 18, 2010 at 7:17 AM
“73.50cr and Flop. Is that good or bad. How does it work? Is Flop better than a HIT ?”
Ravi,
1). If fox has bought the rights in 100 cr then for them 73.50 cr NETT in India would mean around 45 cr….and if worldwide the film has done 50 cr then for Fox, it would mean around 30 cr – so 45 + 30 = 75 cr on investment of 100 cr + 10-15 cr marketing – which is FLOP for fox
2). For SRK/Kjo – the film would have made huge profits on table for rights sold to FOX + DVD + Satelite + audiot etc. – so for them it is a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER
3). For Exhibitors – might be an average earner
4). For audience – 🙂
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March 18, 2010 at 7:29 AM
There is no way a DS of 45 cr on 74 cr of MNIK nett is possible. Also, the overseas should be way above 50 cr. I think 65 cr.
DS in India -> 37.5 cr
DS overseas -> 33 cr or so (45% DS is used for ROW, while 55% for US)
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March 18, 2010 at 7:31 AM
Also, the 100 cr tag for FOX includes P&P, I think.
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March 18, 2010 at 9:59 AM
FOX will loose or make some money here?
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March 18, 2010 at 10:20 AM
FOX could end up on either side. If on a 100 cr investment, you end up making 2-3 cr profits, you ain’t gonna be thrilled. Also, if they make a 2-3 cr loss, they are not gonna have sleepless nights about it. But, the profits (if any) are marginal and in hindsight, this was not a good investment for FOX. They could have invested the 100 cr somewhere else and easily got much better returns.
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March 18, 2010 at 10:23 AM
… the above posts considers the revenue from all channels like Satellite rights etc. Purely on theatrical business, they are at a huge red.
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March 17, 2010 at 2:38 PM
Munna:
The Sunny/Ghai feud:
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/features/2010/03/17/6044/index.html
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March 18, 2010 at 7:23 AM
SRK fans excuses for SRK film flops. These excuses have also become repetitive as SRK movies.
Each of SRK flops have been given some or the other excuse. Here are the examples
1. MNIK -> “Hey, movie was a hit and very loved by the audience. Also, ATBB overseas.” It is a different story that they wont agree that distributor did not make anything from this movie for his near 100 cr investment.
2. DMG -> “Not SRK movie. Move on!” It was promoted as one with him having a 60 min role and featuring in 3 songs anf 17 scenes. No, Fardeen was the Dulha. So what if people brought and sold this money on SRK’s name.
3. Billu -> “Again, not SRK movie!” But dude, SRK produced and marketed the movie on his name. No, they will still not agree.
4. YLKJ -> “SRK had dumped this movie”. So others should move on
5. Paheli -> “Experimentation movie!” Hence failure is not due to SRK
6. Asoka -> “Experimentation factor again.”
7. Swades -> “Experimentation factor again.”
8. Devdas -> “No, BOI has it as hit.” It is a different thing this was considered above average after it’s run, but BOI scam has made it certain SRK fans can argue
9. KHNH -> same excuse as Devdas
10. Hey Ram -> same excuse as Billu. Not SRK movie excuse
11. PBDHH -> Same excuse as Paheli. Experimentation movie
12. One 2 ka Four -> No one talks about this movie, so don’t know what excuse SRK fans have this time.
13. KANK -> Same excuse as MNIK. Is a hit, BOI says so.
14. Josh -> Same excuse as Devdas. Average movie pumped to Semi Hit by BOI.
Which one is it going to be for Ra.1? Or is it going to be a brand new excuse?
Wonder why Aamir. Hrithik, Akki, Salman fans don’t come up with the same list of excuses.
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March 18, 2010 at 7:54 AM
i think u love srk….the amount of time u watse on him,itna toh gauri bhi nai karti hogi….
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March 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM
the standard with SRK is usually Johar, not Gauri!
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March 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM
thats right jeevcy the amount of time you spend on srk but evertime you say the more truth comes out and thats a bugging thing for srk fans hence
hide the truth….keep on digging jeevcy…
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March 18, 2010 at 12:25 PM
now how does all these semi hits and average tag matter..
i think total amount a film makes at the box office should be considered.devdas was the highest grooser that year.thats it..no one lost money in it..
and DMG and hey ram are srk movies…even the most die hard fans did not care to check out DMG.
i know for most of you its good to see a longer list of srks failure.
btw jeevcy u forgot to include bhoothnath and luck by chance.
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March 18, 2010 at 12:34 PM
i didnt see LBC, but i believe his role was small, else we would have to include Kaal, Shakti, Krazzy 4, I see you and many more. 2 min roles should not be considered. Else credit for OSO and HB success need to be shared by Akki and SRK.
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March 18, 2010 at 12:40 PM
After DMG disaster and MNIK underperformance, SRK hoping that KKR gives him first success of the year 2010!!!
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March 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM
Atithi Tum Kab Jaoge? Remains Rock Steady On Second Monday
Tuesday 16th March 2010 17.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Atithi Tum Kab Jaoge? remained rock steady on its second Monday with around 80 lakhs nett business which is just 20% drop from its second Friday business of 1 crore nett.
The film is trending well after an ordinary start and will emerge an earner. The second week business looks to heading for the 7.50 crore nett region which will take its two week business to 23.25 crore nett.
Then in the weeks after the film could pick up anything from 5-8 crore nett depending on how it sustains and the amount of screen space it gets over the next few weeks.
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March 18, 2010 at 8:49 AM
Chennai Box Office (Mar 12 to 14)
Tuesday, 16 March , 2010, 16:05
VTV survives the IPL scare! Gautham Vasudev Menon’s Vinnaithaandi Varuvaayaa has survived the IPL opening weekend and netted nearly Rs 53 lakhs in its third weekend. In 17 days, VTV has taken a distributors’ share of around Rs 1.60 crore from Chennai city.
In second place is James Cameron’s Avatar, which has made a strong comeback as Sathyam Cinemas has increased its shows.
At number three is the rock steady Tamil Padam. In fourth place is Maathi Yosi, which had created a buzz thanks to its posters, but was unable to capitalise on it.
In fifth place is Theeratha Vilayattu Pillai.
http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14935372&cid=13525926
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March 18, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Chalo, Jeevcy yaar. Lets give the MNIK business a rest. Beet gayee so baat gayee.
ATKJ looks like an earner.
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