Shahrukh, Madhuri, Karishma on Filmfare (Nov ’97)
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SATYAMSHOT
February 21, 2012 at 8:09 AM
Karishma in a campaign for a Pakistan brand:
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February 21, 2012 at 8:11 AM
she’s trying to get back into movies too. Think she was also in satte Pe Satta at some point before the project was put on the back-burner.
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February 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM
Karisma is starring in a film “Dangerous Ishq” which is to be released this year. Apparently it’s a multigenerational romance, featuring her in both historical and contemporary eras. Haven’t you seen the stills from it?
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February 21, 2012 at 8:19 AM
DTPH remains one of my favorite Shah Rukh films!
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February 21, 2012 at 8:26 AM
with Madhuri in it I too can never be too harsh on it!
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February 21, 2012 at 9:30 AM
Both Madhuri and SRK acted well, and I liked the music and choreography, but I also consider it the silliest of all of his Chopra/Johar films.
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February 21, 2012 at 9:44 AM
So you are MD fan! I think she never really acted in lot of movies that could have showcased her acting abilities (I think she is a fine actress) like VB. VB is watershed event in BW history.
On a side note: How are you feeling now?
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February 21, 2012 at 10:48 AM
feeling better. thanks.
on Madhuri if one isn’t a fan one is flawed in some way!
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February 21, 2012 at 11:33 AM
You should force yourself to sleep more…I think you have same sleeping patterns as bigb.
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February 21, 2012 at 11:31 AM
Re: VB is watershed event in BW history.
I feel like shedding buckets of tears/water at that claim. Yes, VB is much better than a lot of stars at present but she has to show a consistent pattern and attract projects that provide her that oppurtunity. TDP was ok but not a Raging Bull moment as caimed by some. Sometimes, I think some female film goers show a sense of insecurity in acnowledging the more attractive actresses and prefer safer choices like Balan. I see a pattern where females are more likely to dismiss Katrina as a bimbo who cant act to save her life.
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February 21, 2012 at 11:40 AM
“I feel like shedding buckets of tears/water at that claim”
Ro ley..kisi nay roka nahi hai aapko. lol.
Well, she is one of those rare person in history of indian cinema who can run movie on their shoulder (I guess Jaya Bachchan was one another person but I don’t remember her being solo in most movies) and the men in the movie are just supporting her role/character!!
Forget whether TDP was awesome movie or not. Lets say it was pathetic/bad/sadela movie. Aside from that fact, it was watershed moment in history of indian cinema that a FEMALE lead led to 100 crore hit..that characters like Naseer were just supporting her main role!!!
You have to be a complete blind (if not an idiot) to recognise THAT!
Now movie makers (and honourable movie makers) are writing roles FOR HER. How many times that happens in hindi cinema. Last time such event took place was for bigb in the industry and he is a man.
So yes, I think her career,growth, movie choices, talent…all that is of immense importance. Books will be written; PHDs will happens..people will write thesis on this VB phenomenon. The girl is unstoppable!
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February 21, 2012 at 11:45 AM
Madhuri,Sridevi both had similar and more BO power.
It is creditable that she has a big hit ( not a 100 crore) in TDP but I would think twice before attributing it to her acting prowess. And one swallow does not a summer make. Let us see if going ahead she delivers similar BO successes. I think it is unfortunate whe have laden her with these unreasonable expectations. She is more than a competent actress and a welcome screen presence. I liked her more in Paa.
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February 21, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Ishkiya, TDP, Kahaani…..SOLO (=female lead) movies…men/male characters not needed in HINDI cinema. To me THAT is really-really big. She has created a niche for herself…being motu/desi-ghati looks, non-dancer…all the ingredients of successful hindi film actress completely missing in her!!!
MD/Sridevi/JayaB: They were all commercially successful/good actresses. There was even a movie of MD which was beta or something and they said it should have been named “beti” because MD rocked the movie. But still….I don’t recall any of these trio being in a hindi movie where they were SOLO (forget hit or flop).
VB is giving SOLO hits and she is young. I am sure she will continue to act in such movies even after Kahaani. But even if there are no movies after Kahaani, she is still a water shed moment in hindi cinema history, IMHO.
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February 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM
If facts dont inconvinience you, let me point some out.
TDP was NOT a 100 crore film
Ishqiya was not a hit
Kahaani is yet to be released.
Plus, you are being unkind in saying she is big or has ghati looks.She looks pleasant and likeable. There have been actresses before who have attracted strong roles and Madhuri/Sridevi have given big hits with weak male leads. I do agree her choices are more bold and I give her credit for that.Somehow, there is a tendency to accord something that happens when we are paying attention more credit than it deserves.
I like VB a lot but I wont make these tall claims. I am more than prepared to revisit the issue in a couple of years tho. I say more power to her but not because of TDP but because she has the courage to make bold choices.
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February 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM
“But still….I don’t recall any of these trio being in a hindi movie where they were SOLO (forget hit or flop).”
???
Sridevi’s chandni is a superior product on any day – the kind of acting she has done it there – it is just wonderful. She has done nagina, chaalbaaz……
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February 21, 2012 at 1:31 PM
“Sridevi’s chandni is a superior product on any day ”
Well…Sri didn’t/doesn’t speak hindi properly. I don’t think she is all that gr8 actress. She was alright in Sadma but I think making faces at camera in general, is not acting..I don’t think Sri was ever a SOLO actress material due to language barrier. Madhuri’s forte is dance and she is superb at it. As far as roles/acting, I think she was really good in Mrityudand and lajja (in one particular scene) but then these were not SOLO outings of her. Come to think of it, we did have Rekha in Utsav, umroajaan, khoobsurat and maybe she came close to being a solo bw actress who can deliver movie on her shoulders.
There are lot of good/gr8 actresses.
There are lot of them who r commerical success.
But there aren’t many/any who are have worked in heroine oriented-solo outings.
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February 21, 2012 at 2:00 PM
yeah I’ve never been a Sridevi fan but she did have screen presence.
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February 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM
I am not that familiar with Sridevi career but Madhuri gave bunch of flops in between Betas and Rajas..Madhuri did good number of movies compared to Vidya. So in that sense Vidya work looks more focussed. But in totality Indian audience don’t care for women oriented movies.
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February 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM
after the ’83-’85 period (roughly) when Sridevi got a lot of success doing a number of ‘Southern’ films (remakes or otherwise) with Jeetendra and prospered in many of them her truly big moment came in ’86 with Nagina and then she followed it up with Mr India in ’87 (dubbed ‘Miss India’). And of course she was doing all the usual masala fare anyway (a high vol in this entire period) of which the big one was of course Karma (’86). Then there was a bit of a lull in ’88 after which she moved onto the ‘final’ stage of her career with Chandni in the last quarter of ’89 which really gave her real prestige for the first time. Ironically this was also the beginning of the end for her in an odd sense. She had plenty of very important projects after this but never quite that big box office bang (incidentally Chaalbaaz which did ok also released in ’89). From a couple of high profile projects with Vinod Khanna to Khuda Gawah later on and of course most significantly Lamhe in between (which was a total failure) and lesser masala projects nothing was really that big. Roop ki Rani Choron ka Raja was her last gasp in this sense.
But even around the time of Chandni’s release the more important deal was Madhuri’s rise (Tezaab at the end of ’88, Ram Lakhan in early ’89 and then Parinda and Tridev later in the same year) but Sridevi had good ‘assets’ in the media and even 2-3 years after this phase when it was quite clearly Madhuri was easily the top star the media never quite said this, making it at best a contest between the two. Madhuri too had high volume and during that period industry standards were just so poor in every sense that she too did a lot of poor fare (though she was herself never quite the best judge in these matters). However she had key hits every year from Kishen Kanhaiya to Beta to Dil to 100 Days to Saajan and of course the Sailaab-like dance moments in unsuccessful films. eventually there was Khalnayak in ’93 and then the greatest bang of them all in HAHK, easily her greatest triumph and easily her own ‘Miss India’ moment. But much like with Chandni this too turned into her last hurrah. She had a Raja later but she seemed off-peak and here I must say that post-peak she was far worse as managing her career and even her physicality than Sridevi. I think Madhuri could have done far better than she did. Even when DTPH came along she had done really nothing worthwhile for a few years and this film’s success itself meant nothing for her career. She did other totally forgettable stuff.
But I do agree completely with you that Madhuri’s films are not heroine-centric for the most part. she ends up stealing the show in many of them, the rare Beta was more her film than her male co-star’s but nonetheless with the exception of Raja all those films had major stars in them. And you’re again right that by and large the heroine-centric film without major male leads that does well is the exception that proves the rule.
Also TDP (and not to take credit away from Balan) relies on a certain sensationalism (the whole Silk smitha salacious stuff and so on) and so this isn’t just ‘any’ film where the audiences come in. There are some frills attached to it. I would be surprised if even a very good film in Kahani did half of what TDP did. And the best example here is Ishqiya which did somewhat ok (it was certainly stable with its core audience) depending on the standards one uses but the gross here was 20 crores. Hardly a big success of an sort!
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February 21, 2012 at 1:12 PM
Thank you for that long analysis Satyam on various careers of actresses like Sri vs MD.
Now lets say, for sake of arguements, Ishkiya, TDP and Kahaani are super-flop movies. My arguements was that to have a heroine centric movies in Hindi cinema (or for that matter even in HW…where Jodi Foster tries occasionally) is monumental. That movie maker(s) like sarkar and Ghost want her and in fact SHE is the one who is prompting movie makers to make movies (instead of other way round) is a big turning point in BW.
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February 21, 2012 at 1:54 PM
why should I say that when it’s not true. what Balan has achieved with Ishqiya, Paa, TDP is very creditable. She might achieve more to. I would love for her to. Because I like her and for larger reasons. I think the only argument some of us have is that you tend to get a bit hyperbolic about her success. That’s all. No one’s denying her real achievements but the laws of physics haven’t suddenly changed in this industry either. It can happen as a one-off from time to time but by and large heroine-oriented films with no male leads just have a rough time at the box office. And note how even with Balan the film usually has to be a quirky sort of deal. Paa isn’t an ordinary film, Ishqiya was somewhat different too and there aren’t too many other Silk Smitha-like figures to make films out of! It’s not as if major films are being made with her. She’s either there in smaller, offbeat or different fare or in larger affairs with proper male leads. But this already ‘limits’ the set of possibilities for her. which is why for example I wish Zoya Akhtar had done an all-female version of DCH in ZNMD. With three major actresses think it would have worked. And it might have really set some new trends into motion. And again with respect to Jaya Bachchan yes she did very well in the 70s but the Guddi kind of film was an exception in her career. Almost everywhere else there were proper male leads. Some we wouldn’t think of as such anymore but were upcoming stars then.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM
“I think making faces at camera in general, is not acting”…..
i am totally speechless here…..:-) sri made faces at camera…..???
i opt out of this discussion 🙂
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February 23, 2012 at 3:05 AM
Good comment Satyam. One thing I would like to point out that, Madhuri and Sridevi were congruent to trend (look, demeanour) in their time, but Vidya is unlike top heroines of this time (Katrinas, Deepikas, Sonams, Katrinas).
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February 23, 2012 at 8:17 AM
that’s very true..
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February 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Re: Books will be written; PHDs will happens..people will write thesis on this VB phenomenon. The girl is unstoppable!
I dont agree but like the spirit and the enthusiasm.
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February 21, 2012 at 2:07 PM
” But in totality Indian audience don’t care for women oriented movies.”
Give audience a good movie..good scripts/stories…thats all (we-the audience) care for. I think it is *different* thinking that is hard to do (by film makers). We desis (in particular) have heard mentality. If a particular formula works(ed) then we will continue to see same over and over and over…again.
They should try new scripts/ideas. Make ZNMD a 3 female lead movie. I feel no one takes a chance or enough risk. Show beautiful, sexy female(s) in every frame…why wouldn’t you like it 😉
In that light, TDP took a risk; some will say calculated risk; but it was risk neverthless. I don’t think it was titillating stuff that sold the movie per se. If so, we would have Rakhi Sawant in lead roles in every movie. But then we can argue on this till cows come home. So I will let it rest here.
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February 21, 2012 at 2:28 PM
I hate this mentality that somehow women are ‘insecure’ if they do not like a sexy actress. So any man who thinks that John Abraham or Arjun Rampal cannot act is also ‘insecure’? Men who do not like Hrithik- who is by any account more talented than Katrina- are insecure? So men only like Aamir and SRK because they are average looking and they can identify with them?
I like both Deepika and Chitrangadha who in my opinion are way more gorgeous than Katrina. I call her a bimbo because- I think that she is a bimbo! I do not see why women should appreciate her- her whole appeal is centred around roles where she plays cutesy-duty or item numbers- what is a woman supposed to find appealing about that?
But to compare any of these women to Vidya Balan is a joke. As an actress she is on a whole different level. Which is the reason why I prefer her and Rani over any of today’s actresses. And anyway what are women supposed to feel insecure about? Almost every Bollywood actress is either a beauty queen or a model- obviously they are incredibly beautiful- that is their job! It’s not like they move in the same circle as us or are in anyway ‘competition’ for us to feel intimidated/ insecure because of them.
And- intelligent and beautiful women like Lara Dutta or Nandita Das are more likely to make a woman insecure than somebody like Katrina who is easily dismissible because of her lack of talent or intellect and her recent outings such as Chikni Chameli which have really degraded her in my eyes.
BTW- Rajen this is not targeted at you in specific- I’m always mystified by this general idea that women are somehow jealous of Katrina because I frankly find nothing about her life to be envious in the least- a filmography composed mostly of decorative roles and relationships with men such as Salman Khan who are hardly known for being good boyfriends. It’s not even like she has an enviable sense of style and a covettable wardrobe like Sonam or that she has dated men like John and Rana the way Bipasha has. Women do not like her because everything she does is targeted towards appealing to men. It’s that simple.
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February 21, 2012 at 2:29 PM
*cutesy-ditzy
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February 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM
great comment here Ami. will say on your last paragraph that in my experience most women do like Katrina.
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February 23, 2012 at 3:56 AM
very true 🙂
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February 21, 2012 at 2:41 PM
an earlier comment on Katrina (I know Rajen disagrees with my essential characterization on this):
“I’ve always found Katrina insipid. The ‘craze’ for her mystifies me greatly though I suspect it is because in this age of more ‘emphatic’ female stars if not more ‘aggressive’ ones her somewhat ‘shy’ persona is welcomed by many. To put it bluntly Katrina is not likely to give anyone a castration complex! But even otherwise she seems rather more demure than say Priyanka or Kareena. Ironically is is the latter sort of actress that represents a more liberated model. The multiplex audiences though seem to like greater ‘docility’. Katrina has a certain diffidence to her persona which as far as I can tell is what her appeal is all about.”
“what I meant was that she has a certain diffidence to her persona and even when she plays somewhat bold types this quality comes through. On the other hand even when not necessarily playing such characters Priyanka and Kareena come across as ‘aggressive’. It’s the difference between Madhuri and Sridevi doing the very same sort of suggestive dance. On Kangana you’re quite right but even here I’d say that this kind of assertive film is allowed admission by being so stereotypically over the top. All of this is still a step forward from the 90s.”
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February 21, 2012 at 2:59 PM
“in this age of more ‘emphatic’ female stars if not more ‘aggressive’ ones her somewhat ‘shy’ persona is welcomed by many. To put it bluntly Katrina is not likely to give anyone a castration complex!”
Dude you are over-analysing this one. Any nagu-pungu girl will be liked by men! Look at kareena’s dance in agent vinod..she is showing her cleavage for the first time. The top comes little lower and bottom goes a little higher and so goes the popularrity of the actress. Did you see early MD movie with Jackie…it was a rain dance…you could practically see her ni..les!!! The only other actress who did similar water fall scene is in Raj Kapur movie by Mandakini.
And therefore, someone who comes up without doing these tactics AND gets SOLO films is so big in BW!! And those solo movies where no one lost money (since you all are cringing at the word hit and VB in the same sentence).
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February 23, 2012 at 3:38 AM
Ami–very perceptive comment. agree with you, every word.
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February 23, 2012 at 3:59 AM
Good comment Ami..I agree with sentiments (small disagreements here and there).
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February 21, 2012 at 2:36 PM
“I say more power to her but not because of TDP but because she has the courage to make bold choices.”
Ami, what do you make of above statement(?!?!)
lolz
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February 21, 2012 at 2:40 PM
“And anyway what are women supposed to feel insecure about? Almost every Bollywood actress is either a beauty queen or a model- obviously they are incredibly beautiful- that is their job!”
Ami..winning a beauty contest doesn’t make you obviously beautiful/pretty/camera friendly and actress. That is the problem. They all are good to be models but only a few can really act. Also to become actress (even in hollywood) there is a need of godfather and/or certain couches that one may not be ready/willing to sleep on 😉 So lot of *regular* pretty folks don’t even participate in this “race” or ambition.
In fact, in real life, I have have seen far-far-far more beautiful (desi) girls. Once I had a household help…SO pretty!!! In fact some phoren tourist friend too fell in love with her!
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February 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM
“In fact, in real life, I have have seen far-far-far more beautiful (desi) girls. Once I had a household help…SO pretty!!! In fact some phoren tourist friend too fell in love”
Haha
That’s a good story idea-more details ?
Not sure if u know Di , but I’m planning to make a small amateur film as a hobby!
This will have multiple short vignette /episodes!!!
Keep jotting down a good idea when I find one
This seems a bit interesting bit lacks the ‘edgy’ element
Perhaps better suited for the yrf/kjo domain
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February 21, 2012 at 2:47 PM
An interesting discussion here
And good to see folks ‘debating’ sensibly
Am a bit stuck up with some work to participate
But satyam:
One has to ‘hand it’ to the females here
Whenever they have ‘stepped the gas’, the quality of the discourse has gone up
Hail ‘woman power’
Ps-expectedly my ‘take’ on the likes of katrina and the ‘girl next door’ nargis (lol) differs slightly 😉
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February 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM
Lexy…y so busy-busy-di.
lol
what is karan to satyam, rajen is to girl-commentators.
Haha!
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February 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM
agreed.. which is why I always want more women to participate.
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February 21, 2012 at 3:04 PM
Good Satyam
U do the verbals discussions and I will take the ‘physical’ route
🙂
Hahaha
Was just joking folks
(already running..)
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February 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM
“Sometimes, I think some female film goers show a sense of insecurity in acnowledging the more attractive actresses and prefer safer choices like Balan. I see a pattern where females are more likely to dismiss Katrina as a bimbo who cant act to save her life”
Ahhhhh….the controversial statement….that I completely missed (since I don’t read all of the comments most of the time 😉
Only people who suffer from inferiority complex (deeply rooted one) in their subconscious mind where white skin=beauty, would call that fat collagen lipped bimbo with zero talent, pretty. Yikes.
Vidhya is desi beauty. To me, she is very beautiful, albeit not having the typical assymetrical body that most plastic bw actresses have these days that men adore possibly.
In my mind, Rekha, VB are quintessential desi beauties. Long hair that is naturally black (no dyes like Ashwarya to lolo uses to color their hair blond or red or whatever non-black dye), with flowers in them, nice kanjivaram saris with gold jewellery. Love the get up compare to say Ameesha who goes around without clothes even in marraige/sangeet ceremonies. 😉
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February 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM
Why is Karisma the one getting all the movie offers and not Madhuri? She is doing Dangerous Ishq, the Satta Ke Patta remake and a dance in Rowdy Rathod. Meanwhile poor Madhuri is stuck judging some stupid reality show. Karisma is such an irritant and Madhuri is divine. I will never understand these filmmakers.
I was watching the Filmfare awards and Madhuri broke into an impromptu dance onstage for a minute or so- not being hyperbolic when I say that it totally eclipsed all of the elaborate, rehearsed, choreographed dance performances by Genelia, Deepika, Priyanka and Kareena.
Her grace and charm are really incomparable- especially with the current actresses. The most blasphemous thing I have heard recently was comparing Katrina’s Chikni Chameli to Madhuri’s dancing-with Katrina it is completely to the editor’s credit if she looks even slightly graceful- her live performances are always terrible.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:15 PM
“Mahuri broke into an impromptu dance ”
For a moment there, I was about to hide under the dinning table..I thought she will go full frontal chest shake of dhak-dhak in front of her husband!! Thank god..she didn’t and was quite graceful.
I think she might pack her bags and leave if nothing comes up soon enough. At least she tried. it is hard to let go of name and fame (also money)
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February 21, 2012 at 6:19 PM
“For a moment there, I was about to hide under the dinning table..I thought she will go full frontal chest shake of dhak-dhak in front of her husband!! Thank god..she didn’t and was quite graceful.”
Hahahaha
Di -u made me lol
When I thought of u hiding under the table
Anyhow -tell me about your horse riding pleez
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February 21, 2012 at 7:18 PM
@Ami
Karisma isn’t getting too many offers or even 1/10th of the media attention that MD is getting. And whatever she is getting is due to the fact that she looks fitter and comparatively younger (or less older) than MD. She may not have MD’s talent or grace, but she does have a following of her own and is very fit and good looking for her age. Some years ago when she danced to Bebo’s song and her own older songs on Nach Baliye, she got great reactions from viewers. Even on forums dedicated to that show, people raved about how young and energetic she looked.
It is showbiz and looks are more important than anything else. Lolo even Sridevi look much fitter than MD. Though Sridevi’s age sometimes shows on her face or reflects in her voice, Lolo surprisingly looks quite young for her age.
Anyway, she still gets lot less attention, publicity and uplifting from media compared to MD.
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February 21, 2012 at 7:22 PM
Err…we must be looking at two different women- because I thought that Madhuri looked drop-dead gorgeous at the Filmfares 🙂
But yes- Lolo is very pretty as well.
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February 21, 2012 at 2:56 PM
“Love the get up compare to say Ameesha who goes around without clothes even in marraige/sangeet ceremonies. ”
Di -u r in top form today, it seems
U r bak
Btw amisha wasn’t bad in her day
Ps-just saw an Ayesha takia song by chance( since haven’t seen any film of hers )
Noticed something …
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February 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM
“Noticed something …”
Yhea..those are after surgery ones.
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February 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM
Is it augmentation or reduction surgery? Lol
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February 21, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Comparing karisma/ kareena to madhuri is sacrilege 🙂
Heck, even comparing them to katrina is not appropriate
Actually I agree to all this about katrina
And infact didn’t even find her attractive
Till her ZNMD role
Well, there was an ‘understated restraint’ in that performance-may elaborate on those late
For eg Had it been kareena, she wouldve ripped apart loads of subtle moments
Then saw new York and mere bro
Actually katrina is a very disciplined hard workig sensible person who has very shrewdly worked around her grossly obvious monumental shortcOmings and charged a shrewd path to where she is now
Dhoom 3 and yrf film and ek tha tiger after chikni and mere bro
Ps-don’t find her supremely/mindnumbingly attractive though
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February 21, 2012 at 3:08 PM
For ZNMD- I think credit has to be given to Zoya. She has a way of ‘presenting’ heroines that makes them seem very attractive- noticed the same thing with Ishaa Sharvani in Luck By Chance. And I didn’t mind Katrina in ZNMD at all either. Stil prefer Kareena to her- any day.
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February 21, 2012 at 3:27 PM
“still – prefer Kareena to her- any day.”
Amy- the reason is that u are a gal
And kareena is well, err a guy
I’m waiting for the day, the ‘truth’ reveals itself
I suspect saif hasn’t got the chance to sample the ‘truth’ yet
Hoping he doesn’t kill himself
Also watched a bit of JwM yesterday
Shahid kapoor is a really nice goodlooking guy
Why on earth, can kareena leave him for saif uncle–
Can one of the girls shed light on this
Although these things are beyond reason but still …
Will be nice to hear the female/kareena fan perspectove
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February 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Shahid is cute but he also seems like a very unintelligent, boring person. I love watching him onscreen- especially when he is dancing- but his interviews put me to sleep and his tweets are so relentlessly stupid.
Saif OTOH- seems quite intelligent. Watching Kareena on Koffee With Karan I got the feeling that she herself is not a very interesting or well-informed person at all so it fascinates her that Saif is a well-read, suave guy.
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February 21, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Doesn’t the ‘age gap’ bother u here Amy
😉
The other day saw saif takin his grown up kids for shopping with his (boy) girl friend
Ok this is fine here in the west but must be a bit strange in India
And u r rite about saif being more well read and suave bout kareena
But ANyOne would be more well read than kareena
And being ‘well read’ is hardly what matters to kareena
And dont even think saif can be well ‘endowed’
Hahaha even he has a ex she male past who had to take testosterone injections to grow a beard lol
So gals :pray solve this mystery of this ‘pairing’
It’s no secret what said thinks he will get from this
Bu what bout dumbo kareena
C’mon – a new topic… 😉
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February 21, 2012 at 4:01 PM
” interviews put me to sleep and his tweets are so relentlessly stupid.”
I kinda like Shahid a lot. On KwK, he mentioned that while he wants to watch foreign movies, KK goes bored. So KK might have found him to be too intelligent for her. And his (SK) career was not happening. Somewhere KK had mentioned that her mother had wanted Saif to be with one of her two daughters (but he was already taken then). So when bebo got a chance…and then he is worth 300 crores..that must have caused her to fall in love more strongly with a father of 2 with disgustingly, gigantic nose…yikes. I think in real life KK is a bimbo while Katrina in real life might be bit smarter in terms of engineering her career…though I can never respect a woman who goes back to a man she dumped because he was ruining her BW career!!
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February 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM
LOL! the age gap bothers me when it is a persistent trend of actresses being paired opposite much older actors onscreen. If a woman decides- out of her own accord- that she wants to be in a relationship with an older man- who am I to judge/ criticize her?
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February 21, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Imagine karisma/kareena In the now ‘legendary’ ‘biking to kiss’ scene in ZNMD
‘hritik’ should’ve run away seeing them coming!!!
Having said all that -had to agree with Di/Amy -think what we are seeig with vidya balan, is sowmthig different & welcum
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February 21, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Kareena somehow seems to me like a sexual pervert of sorts
Not sure why and nothing wrong with being one
But am not able to pinpoint my extreme antipathy to her 🙂
Maybe someone can suggest…
Even deepika seems a class act compared to her
And mind u, this doesn’t have anything to do with acting
I maintain-
Kareena on her day can outact and outperform any one
But she fails to irritate me without fail
Yesterday tried to watch JwM
Agree she did a gr8 ‘job’ there but somehow I feel I’m watching a guy trying to put on some ‘accessories’@ select locations and trying to be a gal
🙂
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February 21, 2012 at 3:52 PM
“put on some ‘accessories’@ select locations and trying to be a gal ”
I feel the same way about NF. Thats what size zero does to you. Thats why they have to resort to plastic (surgery) implants because when you lose it from everywhere, it includes losing from there as well.
As far as Shahid and Kareena: I agree. I feel karishma dumping junior was also a very bad move. Thats why you shouldn’t let money make moves for you. Though we will never know the truth (who dumped whom).
Compare to lolo, bebo is better actor I think. NF’s screeches in rockstar reminded me of lolo. hahaha
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February 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Time 4 a stint in the gym steam room now
See u in a bit
Folks-u may carry on your ‘cerebral’ discussions on vb till then
Ps-i note that ms Karen kumari has been quite today
Shouldn’t have been so severe on her yesterday-just one rude post from me and she is quiet..
Think she is ‘hurt’-sort of missig her -innit folks? 🙂
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February 21, 2012 at 4:09 PM
And by this ‘standard’ of going with girlfriend for shopping with teenage kids in tow–Srk uncle is a ‘saint’
Cmon Srk fans like oldgold -a cue for u to jump in lol
For his whole youth poor Srk was ‘saddled with’ kjo and Arjun and the lies
Finally he had an ‘affair’ 2 show ie Priyanka
And that too seems to be on its way to being nipped in the bid
Heck even Srk fans like oldgold don’t support him in this inspite f him having ‘religious sanction’
What double standards Don’t employed vis a vis saif and poor Srk
Nhs speak up for Srk here 🙂 being an unbiased surveyor of truth
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February 21, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Vidya Balan is the better actress around. But I would not try to boast of her box-office success – thats a very uncertain terrain for her. She acted strongly in movies like Ishiqiya, Paa, No One Killed Jessica – but these movies did not do much at the box office – all were recovery affairs for distributors. But yes she did garner a lot of critical acclaim for her work.
On Dirty Picture, the sex angled helped a lot in its box-office. Lets not forget Bipasha’s Jism or Neha Dhupia/Mallika Sherawat’s skin show were hits too – there is a market for sex oriented soft-porn movies in the single screens and TDP used that to fullest with good publicity and having Hashmi in it helped (even if he didnt have much to do).
If we are concerned about box-office appeal, then there is only one actress among the current crop – Katrina. She can single handedly guarantee some profits be it NY or MBKD or whatever she does. Its the Indian fetish for white-skin working best to her advantage. Her recent lineup of films with all A-listers (Aamir, SRK, Salman) in the upcoming YRF movies will further her amazing success rate.
Well, she deserves to be paired with these big stars more than Kareena does at least.
Priyanka is also quite charming and recently on a high after Don 2 and Agneepath. Sadly for her, most of her women-centric movies didnt do well be it SKM or WIUR. Kaminey and Fashion were again only recovery at box-office.
Overall, Indian audience really does not care much about female centric movies or good acting capabilities of the female leads.
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February 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM
“But I would not try to boast of her box-office success – thats a very uncertain terrain for her.”
I see lot of sexism in male commentators here…had it been Abhishek Bachchan, everyone would have been applauding ,hi-fying and raising toast to the success!!!
Katrina has no talent beyond chiknichameli or shila ki jawaani or jalebi bai. Once she is certain age, she will be discarded and new some chammak challo will take her place.
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February 21, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Lets talk more when Kahaani gets TDP like collections …
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February 21, 2012 at 5:39 PM
Kahaani is a totally off-beat film. How can it possibly make as much as a mass-oriented movie like TDP? That is like comparing Dhobi Ghat and Ghajini.
“Overall, Indian audience really does not care much about female centric movies or good acting capabilities of the female leads.”
So why celebrate Katrina’s success then? You yourself admit that she’s really got the white skin fetish going for her- hardly a commendable thing to be banking on.
This is precisely why Vidya needs to be celebrated- she has reached the position that she has reached through a good script sense and enormous acting capabilities- despite the Indian audience not valuing either talent or solo movies as far as the ladies are concerned. So that is something exceptional.
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February 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM
Ami..lot of sexist bias here.
They all say VB is great…but wait…wait till she is more successful. Well the rocket ship already landed in moon.
But I guess our desis (men in particular) will have this complex about desi accent (therefore likes of NF will be celebrated) or desi bodies i n desi clothes (therefore Katrina or other nagu-pungus will be celerated) or desi skin tones (so Kareena/karishma/NF/Katrinas will rule)…bottomline is we are very hugely complexed nation. Look..there ain’t so much of difference bet. NF or a Katrina Or a Kareena. They are same pill in different bottle.
AND STILL, someone like VB comes along and rocks the boat. So it is indeed watershed event in indian cinema anyway you look at it. TDF success or Acting or her looks or her dressing or her body. The entire package is just mind boggling.
Don’t you think?!
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February 21, 2012 at 6:03 PM
Bored: my point is that: her starring in Kahaani. As a female lead. No side hero in sight. Her husband is completely missing, in whose search she goes. Pregnant (so physically not attactive to most men). That itself is quite an event..this woman centric movie. Don’t you think?
Y R y’all so obssessed with BO. I mean this movie will do alright on BO too because it ain’t a 100 crore budget movie. The point is that Ghosh WANTED her and made a film for her! That is something worth noting (when bangla intellectuals want to make hindi movies on VB).
I for one look forward to something hat-k…tired of all candy floss or all kinds of trashy hindi movies off late.
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February 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM
@Di -u are a star 🙂
“Any nagu-pungu girl will be liked by men! Look at kareena’s dance in agent vinod..she is showing her cleavage for the first time. The top comes little lower and bottom goes a little higher and so goes the popularrity of the actress. “-well with kareena, even the ‘cleavage’ doesn’t work IMO
“did you see early MD movie with Jackie…it was a rain dance…you could practically see her ni..les!!! “–oh well, haha- didnt know that
Di -can we have the links anyone…
“The only other actress who did similar water fall scene is in Raj Kapur movie by Mandakini.”
Ok mandakini was another Kareena category for me
Totally unappealing even under the waterfall
Don’t care a damn for that scene
And yes—
That breast feeding scene was one perverted sicko
C’mon atleast keep feeding moms out of this-raj kaput
Even ‘sleaze’ has ethics 🙂
What say folks
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February 21, 2012 at 5:12 PM
And some fashion news
Lol @ ‘ the little black dress’
Btw amy is also a fan of the ‘little black dress’ 😉
Sent from my iPad
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February 21, 2012 at 5:33 PM
This is who she reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxPHJ36u0w
Same tall, gangly appearance- same cartoonishly jerky hand movements.
Just trying to wind Alex up. 😛
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February 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM
She reminds me of a horse I once owned!
But wait…no.
The horse was adorable.
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February 21, 2012 at 5:40 PM
” jerky hand movements-Just trying to wind Alex up”
Oops Amy -what r u trying to do with me
😉
Atleast not in public !!!
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February 21, 2012 at 5:43 PM
You’re sick! 😦 I was talking about the way Nargis gesticulates when she talks.
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February 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Ami…not in public, girl
😉
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February 21, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Oh god, Dimps! Why’re you acting like Alex now as well? 🙂
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February 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM
Hahaha
Sorry-didnt mean to reveal it to everyone
Just a slip
Time to hide from Amy for a bit
Know she will beat me
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February 21, 2012 at 6:05 PM
Some good points,Ami but I am distracted by Di’s shifting arguments
that are all over the place. No one is denying TDP was a success and that VB has made some bold choices. Her career trajectory is in the right direction and I wish she scales greater height. I am just not ready to give her the ‘watershed’ moment yet. I have said the same before but Di seems to have missed it in her frenzy to throw out all kind if wild and flailing allegations. It is just a little premature to say VB is rewriting hisrtory and Ph.Ds are being written about her success.
As for Katrina, I do think that she makes women folks uncomfortable. If it is not insecurity may be it is something else. Of her films atleast Rajneeti,APKGK and ZNMD were hardly bimbo roles and while she doesnt exactly set the screen on fire by her histirionics, she is bevoming an adequate actress. As to why she appeals to men- it is not just her ‘white’ skin or her demure personality. Tho if one liked her for those reasons, it is nothing to be ashaamed about. Men find her pretty- period.
I cannot fathom the argument here -‘Women do not like her because everything she does is targeted towards appealing to men’ That is what womankind has been doing since the days of Adam and Eve.Nothing wrong with that. And, same goes for men. May be not everything but a major share.
Am not sure why Junior B got dragged into this discussion. That is another wild charge as the men on this side of argument are hardly all AB Junior fans. This is hardly a male vs female argument. It was about VB against Madhuri or Sridevi. But, am realising that Di is a wild shooter.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:17 PM
OK..I am a wild shooter while you make statements like ““I say more power to her but not because of TDP but because she has the courage to make bold choices.”
HaHa
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February 21, 2012 at 6:25 PM
Am not sure what your objection to that statement is?
In case you are misunderstanding it, what it means is- good going for her and hopefully should get even better. But, not based on her performance in The Dirty picture alone but her boldness in making choices that not many female actresses have the courage to make. And, that would include Ishkiyan and Khahani and similar films. It is actually an unabashed compliment to VB. And, not a left handed one.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:27 PM
And, by bold I mean – unconventional and commercially risky.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:28 PM
‘As for Katrina, I do think that she makes women folks uncomfortable.’
I know 🙂 It is not just you- it seems to be a popular perception. Hence my impassioned rant/ comment against it. 😛 Honestly speaking- she doesn’t make me uncomfortable in the least- I do think that she is one of the least interesting, enviable actresses out there- and do not see why women would think otherwise and feel insecure.
‘That is what womankind has been doing since the days of Adam and Eve.Nothing wrong with that.’
Nothing wrong with it at all. 🙂 I am not saying that women HATE her- just that we do not especially like her- because she does not make the slightest effort to appeal to us! And no that is not the only kind of appeal an actress can have- where she is attractive to men, that is. Plenty of actresses- maybe not in Bollywood but in general- appeal primarily to women or appeal to men on a non-sex-object level.
Sarah Jessica Parker and Kristen Stewart are best known for their movies targeted at women- and they are amongst the highest paid actresses in Hollywood today. Actresses like Meryl Streep and Helena Bonham Carter are universally acclaimed for their talent- even if they are not sexy or attractive to men in the least. And then there are actresses like Kristen Wiig, Julia Robert and Zooey Deschanel- who are girl-next-door pretty and whom women love and aspire to be like just as much as men like them.
In Bollywood the appeal of almost all actresses- save for a Sonam Kapoor or a Sonakshi- is similar to the appeal of a Megan Fox- which is very limiting. So even if Vidya is only so popular because she is an intelligent, talented woman and for the first other women are able to relate to a Bollywood actress and see her as an aspirational figure- that is in no way less respectable than the popularity that Katrina has attained- mainly as a sex object.
But I agree that people might be overstating Vidya’s accomplishments a lot just because she is such a breathe of fresh air in terms of how she is shaping her career. But they always do this- a similar thing happened with Ranbir after Rockstar released, for instance. She certainly has a long way to go to prove herself as a box office force or a game changer.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:34 PM
But I also agree with Di- just the fact that an unconventional looking actress with no beauty pageant title, no godfather, no filmi family- could have been so universally celebrated post-TDP is a big achievement.
She might or might not be able to follow TDP up at the BO- but no one can take her moment away from her- and she had quite a moment post-TDP.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM
Let us not get carried away. VB is pretty even if in a different way. Hardly unconvenional looks. And, she is really not overweight tho she did put on weight for TDP. And, there are plenty of Indian males who like a little bit of meat on the women( I apologise if it sounds crude and feel like objectification of women). TDP was a smartly packaged movie. To Vidya’s credit her presence gave it a validity that a Rakhi Saawant couldnt have and that is a part of smart packaging. She performed well but it was hardly a performance for the ages. In the end, she and the movie succeeded only because htey ended up appealing to the baser instincts. So, I find it a litte bit of a hollow victory. TDP was not great cinema, IMO. Women and VB can do far better. It is a beginning but I would wish we reserve celebrations for more solid victories.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:50 PM
‘pretty even if in a different way’
That is what I meant by unconventional looking – as in unconvetionally good-looking. I am in no way trying to suggest that she is ugly or obese. I think she is very pretty- but in a girl-next-door way- not a supermodel way. But even to accept an unconventionally good-looking woman is a big victory today when 90% of the actresses are either Kingfisher girls or former Miss Indias.
TDP was not great cinema- agreed- the movie itself is enormously overrated.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:36 PM
LOL! Meryl Streep is as far as you can get from Katrina. But, she is hardly a Megan Fox. Some of this has to do the demographics of BO appeal. Unfortunately, in India women are not that powerful demographic group. The conventional wisdom has been dramatic films succeed only if htey can make women cry! Women as a demographic havent demanded films aimed at capturing their imagination. Tho, hopefully that shall change. As several have said a road trip movie for women can be a good beginning. Tho there are far more serious women centric subjects waiting to be explored.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM
BTW- I am not trying to say that men need to be ashamed of liking Katrina or anything. I do not like her but I can see why she appeals to men- and not just Indian men- but men in general. It only becomes problematic when the audience in this country ONLY wants to watch actresses like Katrina- and watch them mainly in decorative roles.
I do however think it is pretty sad if certain men only like her for her fair skin and ‘Gori’ness- that just speaks about their own colonial inferiority complex.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:49 PM
I personally prefer dusky damsels but this fascination for fairness is deeply ingrained and whiie it may have its roots in colonialism there are several other forces feeding it. One of the most laughable things is the -Fair and lovely cream!
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February 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM
Agree Di – VB is bringing a welcome change-if she can sustain it
Ps -“a horse I once owned!
But wait…no.-The horse was adorable.”
So are u into horse riding-plz tell more bout this ‘hobby’
Sounds quite sporty, eh
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February 21, 2012 at 6:19 PM
A horse is strong, stable, intelligent beast. What more would a woman want 😉
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February 21, 2012 at 6:57 PM
May be a strong,stable,intelligent man h**g like a horse!
Sorry couldnt resist.
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February 21, 2012 at 6:22 PM
” A horse is strong, stable, intelligent beast. What more would a woman want ”
An applause Di
I’m proud of u
U have won a prize
Ok, what prize do u want? 🙂
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February 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM
Anyhow folks-plz carry on this wonderful debate on VB
I’m taking Di along to give her a ‘prize’ for all this wonderful insight and info 😉
Good nite folks
Ps-Satyam: tsk tsk: which was this madhiuri-jackie movie Di mentioned…
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February 21, 2012 at 6:47 PM
And while passing-
A travel brochure by kalki
Have never liked her looks
But found her roles both in dev d and znmd interestingly and differently handled-wanna watch girl in yellow boots
Know another person from auroville-an interesting place –
And yes…lotsa horses there
If there is one thing that describes Kalki it is ‘endearing’. What contributes to her being endearing is her honesty, freshness, child-woman expressions and a very natural and spontaneous way of being ‘different’. Yes, she makes no effort to be unconventional. She quite simply is. Kalki made an impressive debut in the cult film ‘Dev D’ with Abhay Deol and then went on to act in a series of films, including in experimental formats. She was last seen in ‘Zindagi na milegi doobara’. She spent her childhood in Pondicherry. Born to French parents, who decided to make Auroville their home, she owes her eclectic persona to the many influences that she has been exposed to. At heart a very simple and free spirited girl, most people who know her, say that it is difficult not to like her and want to know more of her. We attempt to unravel some of her travel choices and are anything but disappointed.
You are known to be highly individualistic and even edgy in your style of dressing, choice of movies and lifestyle decisions. Does that apply to your travel preferences too? Tell us what travel means to you and how you generally make your travel plans.
Travel to me means discovering new people, new food, new culture, new music and new films. I make my travel plans based on recommendations and feedback from close friends or through someone I know well, living in a country I haven’t been to. This way I get a better chance to see the real stuff, check out local hideouts, must-visits and must-do’s and go beyond the guidebook or the Internet. Travel for me is a very personal experience and is all discovery than about luxury.
As a child what are your memories of travel and any lasting memories / impressions?
I remember going to Himachal Pradesh when I was six years old and seeing snow for the first time. I was very disappointed because I thought that the snow was cotton and when I touched it, it was cold and wet! I also remember going to France for the first time to visit my grandparents when I was nine and eating blueberry pie that stained my lips and fingers. It was quite a delicious experience and had a fairy tale quality to it. Such images stuck in the mind.
Places that have left a deep impact on you, that touched your core and why.
I have spent some wonderful time as a teenager in Panchmarhi, in Madhya Pradesh. Its a quiet hill station near the Satpura Sanctuary and going there I could understand what it meant to enjoy and relish the simpler things in life. It made me value nature and also, I could see how we humans were relentlessly destroying it for future generations. Another place which never ceases to fascinate me is London where I went to the University for higher studies. It is a tough and lonely city to live in but it teaches you to be independent, to figure things out for yourself and to find new and practical ways of dealing with life.
Well known places that you visited but felt disappointed with.
Thailand was a big disappointment. This was a trip me and my mother went on when I was 14 years of age and we were both shocked by the highly touristic vibe that engulfs you and is so much in your face, where there is little that is natural and spontaneous and more that is touristy and artificial.
While on vacation, what do you like to do?
I like to discover the small dingy addas where the locals eat. I also love to explore in the wild, wander off and find an abandoned lagoon or a mountain top with no one around. Also, I avoid carrying a watch or phone and refrain from checking mail and staying in touch with folks back home. I make that effort, mostly successfully, to actually switch off and disconnect.
Your recent holiday.
Anurag and I went to Turkey for our honeymoon. We spent a few days in Istanbul and ended up discovering a gorgeous terrain in Cirale and Olympus, on the Mediterranean coast.
Places you wish to visit.
Undoubtedly, South America, Peru and Bolivia. I would also like to throw in Japan, New Zealand and North Africa.
In India, what are the destinations that to be further developed. How do you rate the Indian tourism have potential industry and what can we do to get better
Places that should be better kept and more accessible to tourists and history lovers would have to be Hampi, Rameshwaram, forest reserves such as the Satpura Sanctuary in Madhya Pradesh, Madhumalai in Tamil Nadu, every hill station across India, all of Kashmir and Assam. The list is long and I can’t think of all the places but its hard not to notice and feel about how inspite of having a very rich culture, we do not nurture it well enough. People come here despite the difficulties of visas, transport bookings and lack of information and get disappointed by our complete apathy. Often travellers lament that the Indian Tourism Board and the state governments lack in hospitality. Thankfully, many say that the locals more than make up with their enthusiasm, hospitality and fascination towards the foreigners.
Budget vacations – have you ever done them and any advice on what to take into account, how to save money and get a good experience too
Yes, I have travelled budget many times. Well first of all travel within India can be really cheap and there are some beautiful places to visit up north. I would say the best thing to do is rely on a local contact in a country. The more you travel, the more people you meet from different places and the more contacts you have all over the world, or get on forums online and speak to people who’ve been to those places and get first hand feedback would add to the novelty and freshness of your travel experience. And if you are travelling alone, couch surfing is a great way to save money. Ii don’t trust books like the Lonely Planet, because they have always proved disappointing in the past, at least to me.
For the eccentric, non conformist traveller, which are the best places to go to worldwide and why?
Well that really depends on what one is looking for. Those who love the wilderness would be happy in Canada, Alaska and New Zealand. For cosmopolitan diversity, you cannot beat New York. For history and culture, there is Turkey, Lebanon, South America, India and Laos. Actually there are so many places to visit and savour.
Since you were born in pondicherry tell us about that place and what do you recommend.
Pondy is a fairly quiet town and can’t be compared with Goa (which people often do). There is so much to do. It has some good French cuisine like Satsanga; the Sunday market on Nehru street is superb for bargain factory export clothes; you can go to Second River where you catch a ten-minute boat ride to a fairly quiet beach; and finally in Auroville, you can eat and buy some great organic food, besides soaking in the ashram experience. It has a repeat value and more often than not, you want to extend your stay here. It has that kind of lingering effect on you.
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