Jab Tak Hai Jaan Trailers (updated)
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SATYAMSHOT 
August 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM
I was anticipating a more *DHAMAKEDAAR* trailer, but, itβs only a small 30 second teaser of the ACTUAL FILM. Regardless, the first teaser looks decent as a first teaser!
Rahman’s music is really engaging.
Also, a couple of the shots, I find really good. One being the chopper shot with the motorcycle. Secondly, the one where they’re walking with their hands around each other and the camera just lifts up smoothly.
But, as far as thinking like an average film goer, I’d say it’s not a bad teaser!
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August 15, 2012 at 1:33 AM
the first minute here is pretty good..
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August 15, 2012 at 1:39 AM
Always nice to be reminded of what Yash Chopra did back in the day… one can forget it with what he and his banner have become synonymous with of late!
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August 15, 2012 at 4:45 AM
They got the proportion right: 1:10 of what he did back in the day, and 0:30 of this upcoming tourist brochure for London. [Where’s Alex when you need him?]
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August 15, 2012 at 7:38 AM
Well, YR films seem to be indulging in brochure making – chacago brochure for D3, and a whole lot of brochures for ETT.
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August 15, 2012 at 3:38 PM
When will they show the Khyber pass brochures : miss Khyber pass π
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August 15, 2012 at 1:41 AM
what do you think of the actual teaser?
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August 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM
YR + SRK + ARR + GULZAR = SRK’s biggest hit – can’t be ruled out here. This is a lethal combo and add to it Katrina’s goodluck charm – this is gonna huge, very huge
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August 16, 2012 at 9:43 PM
Biggest Hit or Biggest gross??
It will definitely cross the gross collection of Ra one…but to become the biggest grosser it will have to be a ATBB…
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August 19, 2012 at 4:55 AM
honestly, despite being a non-srk fan – i think this will pause a serious threat to 3i’s 200 cr nett – this is a extremely deadly combo and SRK, YRF will pull out all stops for the marketing. hmmm. i can’t stop thinking about the combo YRF+SRK+Gulzar+ARR+Katrina with her goodluck charm at the BO+ YR as the director also………..
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August 15, 2012 at 1:38 AM
They are yet to decide the title…lol…We can call it Anamika..
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August 15, 2012 at 1:43 AM
LOL, they decided on Veer Zaara’s name pretty close to the release…the title doesn’t really matter … even if they release it “Untitled”, I’m pretty sure at least 90% of SRK fans will definitely go see it…and on top of that, 90% of SRK h8rs will go see it. So it seems like a pretty bankable film so far! π
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August 15, 2012 at 1:49 AM
“and on top of that, 90% of SRK h8rs will go see it.”
Don’t tell me that…if 90% of SRK haters will see this movie then it will easily cross 400 Crores only in India π
Anyway i am disappointed bcoz the title was expected to be announced with the teaser…This is a must watch for me…Yashji’s last film..
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August 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM
“if 90% of SRK haters will see this movie then it will easily cross 400 Crores only in India” … hahaha, that’s a good one!!!
the promo and title were never to be released with ETT. YRF just didn’t deny that until after ETT released lol. little extra bucks…
http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/1550658/SRK-Katrina's-film-promo-not-with-ETT
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August 15, 2012 at 2:23 AM
too bad that only 5% of that 400 crore will be from h8rs though.
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August 15, 2012 at 7:44 AM
Arsh, only 8% of 400cr will come true…srk films are just 80-100cr mark,yash raj will spend 30-40cr on this project..if it was salman starre then 100cr would not be a gamble.
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August 15, 2012 at 2:48 PM
You’re making an uneducated assumption. And I’m sorry, but, I could easily say (very ignorantly) that Salman’s films have been complete shit since Dabangg. BUT, that wouldn’t mean that his next films be shit as well! Sorry, but, just watch it before you make an assumption like that π
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August 15, 2012 at 7:42 AM
Bhalo ,
400cr will never achive in a million miles,although it is possible to go to a super shinning star “sirus” and come back,that is aciveable but srk film to do 400cr ..lol..dream on
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August 15, 2012 at 6:47 PM
salman films have been shit since dabaang,Arsh planet have you been living mate,it is salman who is out shadowed srk since 2008,srk recent disaster does not need reminder,maybe have just returned from planet cryton then let it be remind that sallu has been a craze so wakie wakie dear arsh.
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August 15, 2012 at 8:19 PM
mohan bhai…that was clearly a hyperbolic statement. AND, you stated the ROOT PROBLEM RIGHT THERE!!!
“salman films have been shit since [Dabangg]”…YET, these newer films earned MORE than Dabangg (which in itself was an average film)…same with SRK’s RA.One! These dumb films earn more money than the good movies!!! That’s the really pathetic part about Bollywood right…it’s the audience; yes, myself included! And that is exactly why Bollywood’s losing its youth audience to Hollywood.
I replied to one of your recent comments about the two stars’ starpower…which I honestly don’t even care about π
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August 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM
@Vijay…
Did you even read my comment properly or have you understood the context???
The 400 crore comment was with certain terms and condition..so read carefully…
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August 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM
The certificate for the trailer just called it “A Yash Chopra Romance” . Yash Chopras early work spliced with his later works … doesnt exactly indicate progress over time.
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August 15, 2012 at 2:28 AM
Loved the Kaala Pathar shot of Bachcan attacking Shatru.
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August 15, 2012 at 4:26 AM
Teaser looking extremely good
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August 15, 2012 at 5:33 AM
I liked the nostalgic feel of it all..
Plus I think the music is gonna be really something to look forward to
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August 15, 2012 at 5:37 AM
you’re right…A.R. Rahman + Yash Chopra’s taste in music should provide wonders! π
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August 15, 2012 at 5:34 AM
WOW!!
i know i am watching it this diwali… π
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August 15, 2012 at 5:37 AM
OT,
A daring cinematographer Ashok Mehta just Passed away …
RIP !!!
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August 15, 2012 at 5:46 AM
Some brilliant pics of AM ..
http://amitashar.com/71078/625207/personal/guiding-light-genius-ashok-mehta
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August 15, 2012 at 5:56 AM
Wow…have I seen Spielberg or for that matter any legendary director go all out to show off their filmography credentials on a trailer of their own movie…amazing legends we have here…even the legends of our so called sport
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August 15, 2012 at 6:07 AM
its all about showmanship here. I think even Aamir did that on the first teaser of Delhi Belly
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August 15, 2012 at 8:10 AM
SRK-Katrina’s film promo not with ETT
By Bollywood Hungama News Network ,Aug 15, 2012 – 10:40 hrs IST
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Contrary to rumours making the rounds, Shah Rukh Khan’s next will not be showcased with Salman Khan’s Ek Tha Tiger.
“This isn’t a decision that has been taken overnight, it was always the plan”, informs our well placed source, “Neither is there any promo being attached nor would the film’s title be revealed.”
This would indeed be heart breaking for those who were expecting that the lid would be finally off the suspense surrounding the film. It also raises question around the rumours making rounds for last few days.
“Well, there is a promo being attached but it is more as a homage showreel of Yashji’s achievements over the decades and the various films that have been made”, adds an insider.
The only incentive would be a very brief glimpse of the Shah Rukh starrer that would be included in the showreel.
“That doesn’t even qualify as a teaser, leave aside the promo. For that you would have to wait for a few more days”, our source adds.
Guess the wait only gets longer.
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August 15, 2012 at 8:14 AM
https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/yash-chopra-untitled-film-teaser/#comment-178140
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August 15, 2012 at 8:21 AM
Beyond the montage of past achievements, the teaser is amazingly bland. So generic in fact, I don’t think it is actually “untitled” as such – because why kid themselves? Something as on the nose as “A Yash Chopra Romance” is exactly appropriate.
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August 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM
The best parts –
Yash Chopra’s past (esp AB Sr’s movies)
The better parts –
A.R. Rahman; Gulzar
The good parts –
Katrina Kaif (beauty); Anushka Sharma (beauty + 80% talent); a visa-hassle free visit to London for the audience
The worst parts (fear?)
Yash Chopra’s future; SRK carrying a violin and the film
The most unintelligent part –
Nov 13 – This ‘Anamika’ releases
Nov 30 – TALASH releases!!!
God help the ‘release’ strategists…
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August 15, 2012 at 1:24 PM
LOL !!!
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August 15, 2012 at 1:40 PM
No name still?…let me suggest a few: old man’s guitar; old man with the guitar; old man with a guitar; old man with guitar, old man and his guitar; old man, two girls and his guitar; old man with a guitar and two girls; old man with a guitar, and two girls….damn the possibilities are endless!
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August 15, 2012 at 1:57 PM
What abt …
daayein Ek baayein ek beech main Guitar ( DEBKBMG)
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August 15, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Great minute and then downhill…….
Another title – Old man, his two daughters and a guitar.
or Main,meri betiyaan aur meri guitar.
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August 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM
Buddha Hoga Tera Pati
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August 15, 2012 at 2:34 PM
LOL, good one!
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August 15, 2012 at 2:48 PM
-will catch this promo later today…
But Lol @ all the fun about the ‘old man’ and his ‘daughters’
But lets analyse this —
One has a certain khan cavorting across with a younger katrina being a tiger!
Another is gearing up to woo katrina followed by an even younger anushka in hiranis film!!
In the meanwhile a rowdy kumar dances around with an even younger (though heavier) sonakshi.. With not much ‘protest’…
But here comes a ‘teaser’ of the third khan with the same..
And suddenly the ‘old man’ jokes abound.
Incidentally what makes this ‘contrast’ in the repsonse here even more interesting is thag all three khans are nearly the same age & the kumar isn’t much younger !!
π
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August 15, 2012 at 3:50 PM
This doesn’t require explanation especially since your comment is more targeted against the predictability of certain responses here. Which is of course quite predictable on your part. But in any case, and for the record, every single one of these guys seems out of place when cast against certain actresses. This has forever been the case in Indian cinema. But to state the painfully obvious, there are some contexts/genres where this mismatch becomes more glaring than others, and a Yashraj-type romance is foremost among them. SRK has been in the romance game for longer than anyone else – it’s the genre that defines his icon. But it’s also a genre that can be the most merciless when it comes to one’s age. Especially when one is essentially doing what one has done since 1995. The Yashraj montage with DTPH doesn’t help matters – after all you don’t quite look the same prancing around with a pair of young women on your arm nearly two decades later!
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August 15, 2012 at 4:06 PM
These days Alex is ‘rebelling’, he’s ‘crusading’ against the ‘injustices’, he’s ‘standing’ for the little guys….he’ll take NO MORE!!! π
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August 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM
Haha
Those (like me) who indulge in ‘excesses’ and ‘injustices’ of variois sorts π
don’t need to ‘rebel’ against any similar ‘injustices’ lol
Btw that was a good point, gf about the ‘romance genre’
Yes there is a difference indeed but not enough to justify this obvious starkly gross difference in reflex responses..
Ps: doesn’t really matter if a late forty ish khan ‘makes out’ with a nubile anushka : whateva the ‘pretext’ or ‘setting’-romance or action or ‘thriller’
Ask the poor nubile girl : the ‘end result'( for her) is the same !! π
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August 16, 2012 at 6:33 PM
1. In a Yash Chopra’s new film’s short teaser thread, someone points out SRK is looking old for the part- Alex will say why only point SRK out when most of the BW actors over 40 are doing the same, points out he’s ‘open’, checks himself out in the mirror and smiles.
2. Other posters agree indeed many of his contemporaries do the same- Alex will say why are people picking on the present generation BW actors when historically as well things were the same, points out he’s ‘open’, checks himself out in the mirror and smiles.
3. Once again other posters agree this has always been the norm in BW- Alex will say why this bias against BW when these things happen in HW as well, points out he’s ‘open’, checks himself out in the mirror and smiles.
4. Again other posters agree these things happen in HW as well- Alex will say why are people bringing all the past and present actors from BW and HW in a Yash Chopra’s new film’s short teaser thread, points out he’s ‘open’ and these days his mission is to fight ‘injustice’, checks himself out in the mirror, and laughs out loud!!! :)……just kidding buddy; keep on being ‘open’ and keep fighting against all the ‘injustices’ in SS with a mirror and a smile! You are the true Dark Knight and you’ve risen…LOL
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August 16, 2012 at 6:41 PM
Thanx matrix
For those kind words and wonderfully constructed infact rhyming take …not only do I check myself but like a true voyeur do check others as well…
Though not sure if from what I see I should start calling Matrix —
‘matrix uncle’ as well π
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August 16, 2012 at 6:46 PM
‘matrix uncle’…well if you’re prepubescent:)
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August 16, 2012 at 6:50 PM
Yes I am matrix uncle π
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August 16, 2012 at 6:58 PM
then you’ve been a naughty boy fantasizing about Nargis aunt and watching those ‘dirty’ French movies…..someone needs to take that remote away from you and supervise your time on the net…LOL
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August 16, 2012 at 7:01 PM
given your activity here maybe it’s time to call the child protection services….haha
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August 16, 2012 at 7:02 PM
Yes I love ‘aunties’like nargis fakhri and the french ones as well..
Also I ‘learn’ a lot from such ‘aunties’ in those movies and also those in blogs etc..
Any problems π
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August 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM
Yes we should save matrix uncles son from getting spoilt by me — hahaha
Anyhow /…
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August 15, 2012 at 2:55 PM
LOL I thought log sudhar jayenge but nah. This blog seems like it’ll always remain a SRK hate blog. All the budha jokes are uncalled for. Salman romances Katrina…”oh no biggie”…BUT, dare not SRK try to do so. I mean, I can take a joke, but, when you’re being a flat out douchebag is where my problem is! So next time, try to be a bit more objective! π
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August 15, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Arsh, U r right on all stars… They are all approaching 50 and wooing Kat in their upcoming movies… this ‘Budha Upmaa’ fits on all khans .. Salman, srk and aamir … All are Botox Version now
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August 15, 2012 at 3:17 PM
From all the articles that I’ve read, Shahrukh looks his age. no botox.
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August 15, 2012 at 3:20 PM
The only organ not ‘botoxed’ nowadays of these guys is/-are the one(s) where ‘tone’ is crucial
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August 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM
yeah, but, there have been articles about Salman and Aamir getting botox, but, nothing about Shahrukh. One of the articles really confidently says that Shahrukh didn’t resort to botox. I’ll link you l8r. It said something about that the side effects might’ve been the reason why shahrukh didn’t opt for botox.
and i’m just chilling here, because the movie is REALLY dragging!
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August 15, 2012 at 5:14 PM
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shah-rukh-khan-looks-his-age-at-forty-five/1/155122.html/
Here’s the article I was talking about π
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August 15, 2012 at 3:09 PM
There u are Arsh ..haha
Somehow I don’t mind (infact relish!) picking out such ‘discrepancies’
Whether it be anurag kashyap yesterday
Or Srk today
Or someone else tomorrow !!!
If one reads the above examples I gave about te three khans, even the girl they are paired with is the SAME (forget similar age!!)
As so is the age of the three khans!!!
Bu hey: watch the ‘pattern’ of the responses, the moment the first ‘glimpse’ or teaser comes out!!!
π
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August 15, 2012 at 3:18 PM
Oh yes, that comment escaped my eyes somehow lol.
You are very right. You know it would be the same if I started bitching about the other actors. But, i think I’m a mature enough 17 y-old! So, I’ll pass on that!
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August 15, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Interestingly Faasle, Vijay and other terrible flops are never on Yash’s video resume!
Hardly anything in there – although such guitar players are dime-a-dozen on the tube stations…
One curious thing’s that YRF might net 500 crores from the three Khans…
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August 15, 2012 at 4:56 PM
even Mashaal didn’t do much. In fairness though no one advertises their failures.
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August 15, 2012 at 5:10 PM
Mashaal’s there, though. Parampara’s another one…
Yash’s quite alright at romance. I have said it before – Kala Pathar, Trishul, Deewar were ‘written’ so well that anyone could’ve directed them.
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August 15, 2012 at 8:34 PM
I never ‘got’ Silsila though.
Interestingly, Sridevi is shown the most in the trailor.
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August 15, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Given yash chopras ‘length of career’ and the ‘eras’ he has passed and survived, the number of his failures are creditably quite low…
One may have problems with the genre and his ‘style’ of movie making, but cannot dispute this fact..
Can anyone please remind the year of his first movie .and first hit…That will give a certain perspective
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August 15, 2012 at 5:10 PM
Think it was DHOOL KA PHOOL – somewhere around ’59 or ’60.
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August 15, 2012 at 5:22 PM
Thanx
A hit in 1959 and another (likely) hit in 2013 !!!
A mind boggling 54 goddamm years !!!
Are there (m)any such similar examples from India or even Hollywood –plz remind …
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August 15, 2012 at 5:34 PM
I believe Scorcesse is there…he started around 1960, I think! He directed short films, so, I dunno if that accounts for actual for ya lol
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August 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Scorceses first film was around 1967, I think, and maybe his first hit was even later than that…but not sure of the dates
Anyhow: his next seems to be on Sinatra
And judarjin maybe cast
http://www.enstarz.com/articles/5308/20120814/new-frank-sinatra-movie-in-works-by-martin-scorsese-getting-closer-to-filming.htm
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August 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM
Scorcesse’s first film was a short film. But, I guess that doesn’t really count as a film? LOL … Yeah, also heard he’s making a film on Sinatra…hopefully it’s good!
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August 15, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Another suggestion given the situation: No Title For Oldman!
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August 15, 2012 at 5:29 PM
Va te faire foutre, trouduc et brΓ»le en enfer! Connard! Lache-moi la grappe!!
ζι ζ»θ ’ go niang yang de!!!
well, you can try to break the code…but that’s my msg to you!!! RESPECTFULLY!!! π
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August 15, 2012 at 5:42 PM
dude don’t get your panties in a bunch.
This time I’m not coming down to personal abuse, but be WARNED!!!
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August 15, 2012 at 6:15 PM
LOL I’m just kidding man. But, seriously, though, that joke is getting old! Sorry π
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August 15, 2012 at 7:02 PM
Arsh,
if ek tha tiger clicks and does do a bussiness above 100cr then it is fair to say that srk position will finally be below sallu,wheather srk fans agree or not it is a down fall for supremo srk .lets face a super-hero @ 5ft 5inch cannot be digested by public at this day & age,even spiderman or batman are above six footer..I hope Ra one -2 will finally shelved..good thinking by srk.
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August 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM
oh you’re completely correct man. Salman’s star power in India is larger than Shahrukh’s. However, if we’re speaking overall, then, not yet. He might be able to get there soon, but, he’s not quite there yet. Shahrukh’s movies always start off at top 10 of UK’s movie charts! USA, Canada…he’s got a huge following. Sorry, but, where I live, SRK’s Don 2 was a highly awaited movie, while there really is no hype for ETT. BUT, in NO WAY am I gonna deny that Salman’s star power is higher in India than that of SRK.
As per superheroes, that was not the point of the movie lol. The whole point was to bring never-before used technology to India, which he did very successfully. So NOW, it’s up to the filmmakers to try and utilize the technology along with good storytelling (which RA.One wasn’t…but, I’m sure if SRK makes RA.One – 2, he wouldn’t make the same mistake)!
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August 15, 2012 at 6:00 PM
Cool it arsh and matrix
Btw that was a colourful comment for matrix …
It’s not worth fighting for SRK and yash chopra folks–if it was Katrina or something, would have still understood …
Chill π
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August 15, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Arsh and matrix fighting over SRK and yash chopra…
What days have come !! Hahaha
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August 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM
Nope Alex not fighting! That was just arsh getting hysterical because I implied his ‘precious’ SRK is old.
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August 15, 2012 at 7:35 PM
I am hardly a SRK admirer but must say these age-insensitive jokes (be they by anyone) are really unnecessary.
The film is a team-work; why pick on just SRK? Everybody is working within a system. This age-difference has existed since the days of Dilip-Saira; Amitabh-Manisha and now 3Khans – all
Yash Chopra and the team knew very well SRK’s age before conceiving the product. If they are hell-bent on making SRK do the same stuff all over again, the issue is with them. And then with the public that STILL will make the movie a hit – paving way for many such sanitized 21st century LOLITAS…
Frankly, what is the problem if there is age difference? Philosophically, who are we to stop 50 year old people from loving 25 year old people? That should not be an issue. The issue is only when a person with a sagging-jowl tries to pass off as a college student….and that, again, goes back to the conceptualization.
The root cause should be attacked – not the symptoms…
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August 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM
I dont believe in political correctness like An Jo or shameless pandering like Alex I find the guitar strumming, trying to be oh-so-cool persona of SRK cringeworthy. The whole set up sounds stale and laughable. Aamir as a college student was far more believable and enduring. The problem with SRK is he looks his age and there doesnt seem amything new. Salman,Aamir,Akshay are able to pass off as younge.
A 50 year old is certainly allowed to romance a 25 year old. But, if he tries to pass off as a 25 year old and look laughable in the process, is certainly going to invite ridicule. To cal this age insensitivity is missing the point.
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August 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM
LOL, not for a second did I believe that Aamir looked like a college student! That was not Aamir’s problem…it was just a horrible job by the make up artist!
Salman’s skin is really starting to become more and more dry and it’s highly noticeable in ETT.
Shahrukh’s age is also really starting to show, of course, but, when you’re not judging the other stars, stop judging him! π
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August 16, 2012 at 12:35 AM
Where in this teaser do you find SRK cringeworthily old? He is hardly there for 4-5 seconds; and in those seconds, he does not look old at all – whether it is photo-shopping or trick cinematography or whatever; but in THIS teaser, he does not look old. It is the mental make-up we have that SRK is 47 that is making everybody come up with the ‘old’ age statements. Everybody knows his age at the back of his or her mind – and these statements are a result of that. You were okay with Aamir Khan passing of as a 19 year old student but not with SRK? As per your rationale, you are judging based on how the actor successfully hides his age and looks, right? Then SRK in this teaser should pass of quite healthily.
Why did the great Hirani want AK in 3 idiots? Why couldn’t he go for an actor that is ‘truly’ young? For all VVC’s big-mouth talk of making ‘sincere’ films & not believing in ‘stars’, he lapped on to the idea of a huge initial what with Hirani’s MBBS legacy and AK’s Ghajini success. So even people that claim are ‘different’ are still on the same bandwagon. And YRF is also on that bandwagon. So to make fun of SRK for his age is really trying to cut off the nose to prevent a running one. Every major star including Ajay Devgan, Akshay, the 4 Khans are hopping along with heroines in their 20s.
The whole issue boils down to the fact that ‘casting’ is not at all a concern in our films. In Hollywood, you would NEVER see Robert Downey Jr – however brilliant an actor he maybe – playing Lincoln; and you would NEVER see Daniel Day-Lewis playing Chaplin. When was the last time you saw Tom Cruise play a love-lorn guy? The closest was in Jerry Maguire way back in 1996. Since then, even though he has beenlooking smashingly good, he has stuck to thrillers, dramas, period films, and pure actioners.
The rot, then, is in the system. Aamir Khan is as much guilty of this as is SRK. Performance is another issue – and not a parameter here. In that sense, Anurag Kashyap is the only person who has managed to make GOW without a major star; however, let me also add that paradoxically, it is/was quite an easy decision to do that owing to the subject matter! Star-actors in the movie would actually have been rendered redundant!!
But by going ahead with Ranbir in BV, he has definitely shaken my belief. I can only wait and watch whether the decision was perfect or a sign of weakness…
I am not trying to be politically correct my friend – I am just an equal opportunity offender…
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August 16, 2012 at 1:21 AM
I don’t think SRK is looking significantly older than most of his contemporaries, and I wouldn’t really call him out for this. As a general matter though, I do feel that slimmer people tend to have more lined faces as they age, and SRK probably suffers on that count more than Salman, who has a “broader” face. Second, for better or worse, in the action genre people tend to mind these things less than in the love story genre. That’s not a point of principle, simply an observation.
I remember people always making fun of South Indian movies based on a stereotype that they featured aging heroes with nymphets, but Bollywood is no better (leaving aside SRK, Aamir, Salman, Akshay, let’s not forget the even older likes of Anil Kapoor and Sanjay Dutt.
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August 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM
Some more suggestion for the title..
Lal Badshah returns, Phir se Nishabd, Chandravansham…
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August 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM
Well, let’s give some titles from the other end too, eh?
“King of Romance”, “Return of the King”, “Ek Hai Tiger” (that one was uncalled for, but, i just couldn’t resist), “All-Time Blockbuster”, “Super Rocking Khan”…any more???
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August 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM
I remember watching parts of Rascals where it was disgusting to see a 50 yea old Dutt and 45 year olf Devgun lusting for the early in her 20s Kangana. and it was supposed to be ‘comic’. Appeared rather disturbing!
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August 16, 2012 at 7:01 AM
You are so right Tony. While I am a HUGE fan of Devgn and esp Dutt, they both deserved a dressing down in public for Rascals- it was an atrocious film. Btw GoW theatre se utarne waali aur abhi bhi aap ka review nahi pahucha. Jaldi karo sir. Also have not been able to see any of the new releases (apart from Total Recall) like GoW 2, Ett etc- so do tell us ur views on the film
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August 17, 2012 at 2:30 AM
i will for sure saurabh.. shortly
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August 16, 2012 at 7:38 AM
The winner here is the music
And the girls look nice
SRK is trying to look 25 still……
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August 16, 2012 at 3:21 PM
I’m feeling…*facepalm* moment!
anyways, anybody else seen “The Dictator” yet???
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August 16, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Yup…saw it the first week of release in US…it is abound with many ingenious scenes like searching for a cell-phone in a pregnant woman’s vag!@@ or eating from the armpits; if you wish to get a political/moral lesson through many such scenes, go for it…
But I admit it is quite enjoyable with 1.5 glasses of beer or with a woman that loves such ‘gross-out’ scenes!!
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August 16, 2012 at 4:09 PM
I agree…it’s probably one of the grossest films I’ve ever seen. I loved that scene when they’re in the helicopter talking about his new “Porche 911” and seeing the fireworks over the statue of liberty.
It’s one of the few good slapstick comedies!
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August 17, 2012 at 2:25 AM
IMO “There is Something About Mary” remains not only the finest gross-out comedy but also ‘one of’ the finest comedies of the last 2 decades
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August 17, 2012 at 2:50 AM
Check Hot tub time machine π
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August 16, 2012 at 5:40 PM
Srk-yrf teaser–the Prelude
Finally : just checked out the ‘teaser’ of this one
Oh, the inertia -to check even a teaser-one feels lazy lol
Anyhow — seemed a sober teaser
And agree with Ann jo that SRK doesn’t look as old as being ripped apart for –infact couldn’t even make out (unlike some others) if he was looking old or young …
Some ‘conventional’ London scenery …
But
As usual what caught my attention was the budding music score
I have heard only once and was only for a couple of seconds
But I thought I heard a bit of rabbi shergill
Maybe mistaken but if so–will be a treat
Again rehman scores by tying up with some genuine talent
Like rabbis music sense…
may be speaking soon but can see rehman taking him …
An intro to rabbi – a Sufi-esque take
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August 16, 2012 at 5:51 PM
Rahman-rabbi combo!!
Well, not sure if this is even supposed to be out and yashraj has been oversecretive about stuff –but just checked this promo and think its rabbi in the vocals
Even the guitar chords of this ‘theme music’ has an unmistakable ‘rabbi tinge’-Rahman has been magnanimous while collaborating…
Anyhow : a treat in store for me since it will be a guitar heavy sufiesque laden music–after rockstar !!!
If true–
U will know who caught it first lol
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August 16, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Alex- the music here seems to be a treat. Really liked what I heard in the few seconds. Hadn’t known about Rabbi, thanks for the youtube link.
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August 16, 2012 at 6:05 PM
Thanx matrix
Well, it’s just a sec of vocals and a few guitar strains
But I suspect it’s rabbi –just by the guitar chords used here and a certain vocal loop at the end…
Anyhow–
Folks check out some lyrics of bulla ke that I got translated just now from the net to understand better
Also for sufi lovers like anjali …
English translation of lyrics—
“Not a believer inside the mosque, am I
Nor a pagan disciple of false rites
Not the pure amongst the impure
Neither Moses, nor the Pharoh
Not in the holy Vedas, am I
Nor in opium, neither in wine
Not in the drunkard`s craze
Niether awake, nor in a sleeping daze
In happiness nor in sorrow, am I
Neither clean, nor a filthy mire
Not from water, nor from earth
Neither fire, nor from air, is my birth
Not an Arab, nor Lahori
Neither Hindi, nor Nagauri
Hindu, Turk (Muslim), nor Peshawari
Nor do I live in Nadaun
Secrets of religion, I have not known
From Adam and Eve, I am not born
I am not the name I assume
Not in stillness, nor on the move
I am the first, I am the last”
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August 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM
What a coincidence–SRK indeed talking about Bollywood or Business —in this interview published today AM —http://goo.gl/6B13L
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August 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM
interesting read. Thanks for sharing!!!
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August 17, 2012 at 11:28 PM
Satyam Ji,
Waiting for watch magic of Yash Raj….with SRK, AR.Rahman , Gulzar Ji, Awesome …..
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August 18, 2012 at 4:47 AM
So a secondary source tells me that the movie’s script is really average. I hope the ‘inside source’ just has a bad taste in the movies that he chooses to be related to. And seemingly, he does. So, not sure if this is reliable or not.
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September 20, 2012 at 4:27 AM
Total rubbish. Stale as yesterday’s bread. Another Teri Meri Kahani in the offing, albeit with a better initial.
I mean the whole thing look so phony and contrived! Every single frame has ‘ Expiry Day: Yesterday’ written all over it!
And that cringe-worthy poetry, whoever wrote it, is such a lame attempt at reprising Silsila’s ‘ Main Aur Meri Tanhai’
But I can’t even pity Shahrukh. If he is bent upon promoting the mediocrity of a writer like Aditya Chopra, he deserves what is coming.
I mean the whole thing look so phony and contrived! Every single frame has ‘ Expiry Day: Yesterday’ written all over it!
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September 20, 2012 at 5:00 AM
LOL ..
It seems Time has stopped for Yrf… just little bit jiggle here and there, chiffon saree with mini mini shorts, 2 flowers embracing with 2 bodies now… main aur meri tanhai with silly silly pathetic poem and narration…
Old habits Die hard – this trailer is example of that as far as Yrf is concerned
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September 20, 2012 at 7:08 AM
Excellent point Bliss- making his heroines wear shorts and filming intimate scenes alone is not enough to make the stale YRF recipe interesting again. This entire film looks dreadfully anachronistic.
And the forced sexiness looks es[ecially contrived amidst all of the typical YRF trademarks like the sweeping shots of mansions/fields and the saccharine poetry- I mean, WTF is that scene with Katrina and SRK in the telephone booth?
This film looks like it is going to be an absolutely terrible combination of sappy-meets-sleazy.
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September 20, 2012 at 7:42 AM
Ami, I agree with everything apart from this being sleazy. From the trailer, it seems that lovemaking scenes have been aesthetically shot. But in anycase if u found this sleazy, then it’s not the 1st time Yash Chopra has done this- in his Farha and Rohan Kapoor starrer Faasle there was a very famous lovemaking scene. Also if i remember in Darr there is a scene in a hotel room where Juhi seduces Sunny
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September 20, 2012 at 8:17 AM
agreed.. sleazy it isn’t.
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September 20, 2012 at 8:26 AM
I didn’t mean that this film looks sleazy in the same way as a Bhatt production- I meant that it’s sleazy in the sense that the brand of ‘sexiness’ in the film doesn’t work at all for me- it’s so obvious that the heroine’s costumes and the intimate scenes are inserted here only to make the film (and the hero!) look ‘fresh’, modern and cool. And it’s not just the intimacy aspect that fails- even the scenes with Anushka blowing a dandelion and Katrina teasing SRK and pulling his cheeks completely fail to conjure up the intended picture of carefree/ playful young love.
On a side note- if YRF is trying to create a classic, tasteful romance the least they can do is to hire a stylist who will make the actresses look elegantly alluring. I haven’t seen Barfi yet- but I think that whoever styled Illeana did a fantastic job in that respect. On the other hand, that outfit where Katrina pairs a cropped leather jacket with a cropped top, a short skirt and boots is easily the tackiest example of layering that I have ever seen!
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September 20, 2012 at 7:34 AM
Rather uninspiring trailer though I will say it would have been better with someone other than Katrina. She drags it down even further. Also I think the corny lines spoil it. The score is the best part here not surprisingly. One can’t even say that the trailer is business as usual for Yashraj and stale in this sense. The bigger issue here is it’s rather flat.
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September 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM
Rather boring trailer that becomes appalling at the end when it attempts (and miserably fails) to have SRK recreate Bachchan’s iconic intro moment from Trishul! Yikes.
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September 20, 2012 at 8:17 AM
yes that was horrifying!
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September 20, 2012 at 9:47 AM
For one who hasn’t watched Trishul, a video link to this ref apprec…Will have to see this..
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September 20, 2012 at 10:08 AM
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September 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM
Great observation GF. And one can see the relevance of Trishul and Bachchan when this scene is played in GoW-1
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September 20, 2012 at 10:43 AM
Yes. And the Shahid Khan segment channels the spirit of this moment exquisitely well. It’s by far the best thing in the entire film to my mind. Satyam once said that Gulaal lost a good bit of its energy once Abhimanyu Singh was dispatched. I’d say the same for this actor in GOW, and unfortunately this happens fairly early on in the movie!
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September 20, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Agreed.think Shahid Khan’s character, by dying ,became a sort of ‘mythical figure’ whose shadow keeps lurking over the rest of the film (on the other hand excellent as Bajpai was, his demise had no such effect for me)- actually this figure provided the much needed gravity and juice to the film which sometimes felt bogged down due to Kashyap’s over-insistence on getting the lingo and ambience right- his death pushed the film in a masala/Leone like world which isn’t tied down by stuff as boring as realism
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September 20, 2012 at 8:41 AM
JTHJ -trailer -1st impressions
Had a quick look- and some of the posts here by the usual suspects could have been written down even before reading them! π
Again-will differ as usual!
Had mixed feelings-
It is predictable, cliched and expected with no ‘novelty’!
But the other question is– what WERE sane individuals expecting from this team in this subject and cast?
It’s like me going onto the threads of SOTY, SOS and YPD– ridiculing them (which I do actually) but the point is that this is expected of them!
One doesn’t need to prove ones own ‘higher taste’ to prove this.
I will discount cute Amy from this since she has some genuine points here esp on styling and if I remember correctly, Amy employed the same standards onto talash and criticised it!
But what will one say to those who saw Aamirs ‘making out with prostitute Kareena’ , growling over a junior, dashing around in police uniform in moustache and rani ‘drowning’ with a kid and declared it to a ‘non mainstream offbeat stuff’ (agree that the treatment is slightly different though!)
So let’s not get carried away folks!
Ps: unlike others-I liked the introduction of ‘shorts’–in keeping with the times
Also the ‘telephone booth shenanigans’ arent bad!
When relatively free–this spoof should be a good one π
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September 20, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Even on stale terrain a better trailer than this could have been made. In fact this whole line of argument is suspect ‘hey what did you expect’?! It’s not as if some of us saw a Houseful trailer and thought it was bad. There this sort of question would apply. But not here. And taking your logic they could have made anything quite literally and you’d say ‘what did you expect?’! And note the contradiction in your claim. According to you Yashraj are so low that one shouldn’t expect anything. This is more or less your defense of the trailer!
Leaving aside whether one is a fan of SRK or Aamir, love stories or thriller, anyone who doesn’t think the Talaash trailer was miles ahead of this one needs their head examined. One can still be a fan of love stories and so on and still prefer to watch the Yashraj. But in any objective sense there’s not even a comparison between the two.
And once again I was expecting a stale trailer from Yashraj but they’ve come up with something pretty flat which is surprising.
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September 20, 2012 at 8:53 AM
I wasn’t impressed with the Talaash trailer- but I have to agree with Satyam here that it was miles ahead of this tripe.
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September 20, 2012 at 8:57 AM
Satyam– theres only a limit to what one can do in Bollywood romantic films of this genre ESP when one goes into high budget terrain!
When the stakes and production values go above a certain level, as a producer u just cannot take certain risks knowingly!
In my upcoming spoof on tnis I shall take u through this step by step in since I declare u the producer (Also so u will see these points fist hand then!)
U change things here — u get the bo verdicts of kank, nishabd and lamhe!
There is apparently still a market for such stuff –but even I’m curious to see how much it has changed.
This film should be test case to answer this question!
Talash maybe a different genre and as i said- the talaash promo was much better than this one (& one that I personally liked a lot!)
But it wasn’t the ‘cutting edge non mainstream serious off beat’ label or any of that permutation that some are marketing it to be –that’s the point!
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September 20, 2012 at 9:01 AM
And again Satyam-
U are imposing your own tastes onto the many young girls and aunties who have grown up on this staple diet and think still relish this fare!
While u and me may not find this v palatable, who are me/u to decide for them?
This assumption of ones own intelligence and superior taste is a good thing but it shouldn’t be used to label mass-trends and tastes with this finality ! π
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September 20, 2012 at 9:14 AM
Once again you’ve entered the ‘I’m debating with myself’ zone!
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September 20, 2012 at 9:19 AM
Ha Satyam — when in risk of ‘losing’ -u have started this ‘debating with myself’ quip –hahaha
All I’m pointing out here is that there’s a difference criticising stuff here and actually producing a big budget film like this (& it’s the producer who has to take the final call about decisions)
Anyhow -I will take u thru this while exercise step by step (as a producer) thru my upcoming spoof –watch the space π
Ps::
All eyes now on rahmans music –my most awaited Bollywood album (after rockstar!)
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September 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Actually I have already ‘lost’ to this imaginary ‘Satyam’ you’ve created! Every time I start saying something this other guy pops us! It’s hard to keep up with a figment of someone else’s imagination!
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September 20, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Lol @ these ‘imaginary’ figures that pop up π
Btw the presence of me and Satyam here remind me of a very interesting chanacter indeed!
A unique one in Bollywood
Michael barbosa– dum maaro dum!
Nobody has seen us or met us –or know us!!
But we are there π
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September 20, 2012 at 9:17 AM
I actually didn’t say anything of the sort nor the other stuff you’re attributing to me but your imaginary ‘Satyam’ has I’m sure said all of this. Perhaps you could take the debate with ‘him’ elsewhere since he’s not on this blog to respond to your comments..
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September 20, 2012 at 9:27 AM
Lol@ ‘imaginary Satyam’
Btw Kat and anushka are looking good here ( def better than Kareena in talaash!!)
And it seems more Bollywood films are being shot in london than the rest of the world all put together!! π
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September 20, 2012 at 10:22 AM
“This assumption of ones own intelligence and superior taste is a good thing but it shouldnβt be used to label mass-trends and tastes with this finality ”
Who has done this? Where has anyone even said something that could remotely be construed this way? And before you answer, no, your imagination doesn’t count.
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September 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM
good to know you think this is in the same category as soty & ypd, great ‘defense’ there. stupid of people to point out how cheesy & tacky it looks, even with the staleness. we should just keep the standards low for srk and high for aamir. no need to state the obvious, even though you yourself admit to doing it on other threads. maybe satyam should go on those threads and ‘defend’ those poor underdogs being ridiculed by you.
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September 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM
Haha anya –pray be ‘gentle’ with me …
Am v tired –wondering -more coffee or sleep–any ideas π
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September 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM
sleep works better, even a nap
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September 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM
Ok boss -Will do as u say – thanx π
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September 20, 2012 at 8:46 AM
Contd from above–
wanted to do this survey–
Am noting this increasing real trend of females sauntering in casually in stuff which is little more than glorified minis/shorts or other ‘respectable but revealing’ stuff -even to semi formal settings.
While I personally have no problems (at all!) but–
How many feel that females coming in shorts/minis to semi-formal work should be ‘restrained’–is it a ‘distraction’ or breaks ‘decorum’ or should be allowed in the name of ‘freedom'(& entertainment)?
Ps: back2work
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September 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM
Also just noticed–
That shot which looked like SRK is ‘groping’ katrinas things n that short (yellow) skirt–
One now sees the true picture in the trailer–
In the strong wind– the nice guy SRK is actually helping Katrina to keep her skirt down (& avoid upskirt pics)
This ‘deep’ scene is a sure shot in my spoof !
π
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September 20, 2012 at 11:00 AM
SRK gropes Katrina’s assets, kyunki Anushka ke paas woh hai hi nahi. Budha haath kaise seykega?
Maybe YRF wants to accentuate the difference in their assets by constantly dressing up Anushka in teeny-weeny shorts vs Katrina in freely-flowing skirts. Bony vs Fleshy ka illustration to bhai ko Yashji se hi seekhey!
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September 20, 2012 at 11:03 AM
correction: “Bony vs Fleshy assets ka illustration to koi Yashji se hi seekhey!”
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September 20, 2012 at 11:06 AM
“Maybe YRF wants to accentuate the difference in their assets by constantly dressing up Anushka in teeny-weeny shorts vs Katrina in freely-flowing skirts. Bony vs Fleshy ka illustration to bhai ko Yashji se hi seekhey!”
Wow nykavi
What a comment!! Rofl
‘fleshy vs bony’
Ps: btw that should help me in casting for the spoof π
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September 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Actually I had to come back to pat the back of nykavi!!
NOW I know why yash has cast katrina and anushka —Hmmm…
Ps: now will have to look for similar body structures on the blog for authenticity of the spoof π
Oops –run….
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September 20, 2012 at 9:42 AM
This trailer is okishhh but i’d still watch this over trashy SOS
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September 20, 2012 at 10:08 AM
Guaranteed Blockbuster.
Tum Likh ke le lo,
Main Keh ke de raha hoon.
YRF-SRK back in full force. It may be cliched, stale, etc. etc. But this is what aam junta wants. Two beautiful heroines frolicking with SRK. He may look buddha, but that does not matter. It did not matter for Sallu in ETT, did it? Some new background scenery, wide open beautiful backgrounds, that will surely drag viewers to theatres. Release on 3500 screens. 120cr minm guaranteed first 8 days.
YRF has another 170+ cr grosser on the cards. May even touch ETT total.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM
“But this is what aam junta wants.”
at least the very ‘aam junta’ that frequents multiplexes!
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September 20, 2012 at 2:08 PM
except for ARR – i really don’t look forward to this one – YR’s touch somehow is not coming across. The whole thing doesn’t pack a punch.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM
Btw, whats with SRK walking through bombs in the end…YRF couldnt resist rehashing another of BigB’s iconic moments, from Trishul.
What say Satyam?
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September 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM
yes true.. and it’s disturbing!
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September 20, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Yup, so iconic that even Kashyap copy-pasted it in GOW1. The cow’s teat keeps getting milked by all the minnows.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:36 AM
“The cowβs teat keeps getting milked by all the minnows.”
Hahahaha ROFL π
That was the comment of the day, folks…
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September 20, 2012 at 10:45 AM
Re : The cowβs teat keeps getting milked by all the minnows.
LOL !
But this is milked by old original Milkman π
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September 20, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Yes–the ‘old original milkman’ has a birth right patent on this.
Ps: theres too much ‘milking’ going on in this thread–
Not sure if the heroines of this film will like it π
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September 20, 2012 at 11:41 AM
LOL !!!
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September 20, 2012 at 10:18 AM
^ think that’s an ace honest and telling comment from nykavi!
Things are different while typing on Internet and while financing a big film…
while having another look–certain things have irked me more now like –expected something more from yash chopra coming back after ages etc –but I guess it’s the ‘financial tightrope’ thats making aditya chopra tweaking things …
Ps–
So now the stage is set
Salman has already delivered a 200 crore-ish grosser
No excuses of genre/treatment bull crap!!
SRK -yashraj have come up with this ‘safe’ deal ( admittedly SRK at his lowest ever phase but won’t give him that leeway in this genre)
And aamir with his prestige and trending and a gap of three years etc
Let the best man win!!!
Head to head –comparison of grosses –will be fun π
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September 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM
U cud compare Sallu to SRK in the grossers war. I believe Aamir already nailed it 3 yrs ago. Imagine if 3I had opened on 3500 screens, and trended mightily like it did. Minm 260-270 crs in today’s money. Sallu-SRK have yet to achieve that 3I moment in the new millennium.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Yes aamir nailed it!!
But that as three years ago!
People have to prove themselves over n over again
Sme like akshay face the music thrice a year!
Let aamir prove the ‘obvious’ after a grace of three years!!
My best wishes to aamir and the other two π
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September 20, 2012 at 10:52 AM
I might be one of those contributing to the crores solely because of a Rahman soundtrack! I’ve always felt this was their best move. The rest of the audiences they’d get anyway. But with Rahman on board you also potentially have the otherwise ‘sick-and-tired-of-Yashraj’ crowd.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:59 AM
Yes –that’s an ace move
And from someone (me) who has never liked any SRK-yrf film on th big screen–I’m now looking forward to hearing Rahmans music on the big screen( with katrina and anushka )!
Ps: SRK looks a bit ‘underconfident’ here but on this terrain one can still not count him out !
Ps2: one way or the other–
Most who are criticising it here will be watching it on the big screen!
The ‘official reasons’ will differ!
The friendly neighbourhood SRK fan-gal is already in…
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September 20, 2012 at 11:02 AM
That reminds me Satyam
I’ve lost another hour–shucks….
Where’s the damn coffee……
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September 20, 2012 at 1:26 PM
He looks more constrained than he was in RA.One and Don 2 … me likey constrained!
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September 20, 2012 at 1:27 PM
yes SRK looks fine in the trailer. Not sure though if the same will be true when there closeups. Because he has been showing his age for a while.
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September 20, 2012 at 11:11 AM
ARR means I’ll be getting the CD — but that ain’t enough to pull me to the theater…
At 2:30, this trailer was so boring I found myself forwarding through it…
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September 20, 2012 at 10:30 AM
So opening the final chapter in this box office battle (for this year)–
Why these are being compared head to head –has been mentioned ad nauseum already ( refer previous posts)
For eg if aamir ‘supporters’ can make the excuse if genre/treatment–he also carries the benefit of three year gap/ cop thriller format!
If SRK can say –‘ this is my worst phase’-he has the advantage of this genre
Salman has already batted and hit a double century…
So
No excuses
No genre/ no treatment
No bull crap!!
Pure unadulterated box office cash (moolah!)
By hook or by crook
ETT vs JTJH vs talaash—head to head!!
May the best man win.
Predictions folks…
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September 20, 2012 at 10:34 AM
“No bull crap!!”
I guess this means you’ll stop commenting on these issues?
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September 22, 2012 at 7:21 AM
lol
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September 20, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Fair Game AA……
my guess is -it is going to be- SOS/ ETT/JTHJ / Talaash………
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September 21, 2012 at 3:09 AM
– three years gap ?
– cop thriller format ?
How does those become advantages.
Assuming for a moment 3 years gap is an advantage, i failed to recollect a single blockbuster in that format, if u can enlighten, i am sure to look into “layers” of that opinion of urs buddy.
1) ETT :- Home territory.
2) JTHJ : – Home territory but releases against SOS (thus a handicap factor)
3) Taalash:- ejusdem generis fails to exist here.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:37 AM
^ But who made u the judge of that , gf π
That’s your assumption..
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September 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Along the expected lines.
Not neccessarily bad but par for the course for a YRF-SRK film.
Seems to be shot very well.
SRK looks good as said before in the stuble. Girls look good both of them). Am not sure if it was neccessary to have thosescenes of Anushka in those shorts.
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September 20, 2012 at 11:33 AM
“..Am not sure if it was neccessary to have thosescenes of Anushka in those shorts…”
Kyunki pant mein chotta sa pichwada chup jaata hai. Log yeh na samjhein ki Anushka ke paas kuch hai hi nahi, is liye chaddi pehnani padi, to kuch dikh to sakey.
SRK ki to nikal padi. Ek taraf tanker hips, doosri taraf flagpole. The protagonist has a wide varying taste.
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September 20, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Kaviji, you never disappoint. Too funny.
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September 20, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Mmk, so, I’m kinda disappointed!
Shahrukh looks good, as usual and the cinematography is brilliant, but, other than that…’WTF WAS THAT!?!?”
Other than that, the two shots that I liked were the bike shots with EXOTIC scenery and the scene where Shahrukh jumps to save Anushka. The ending one w/ SRK walking away from the bombs was pretty nice! I dunno…I was expecting much more from this!!!
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September 20, 2012 at 12:17 PM
BUT, it still looks better than the movies releasing around that time. The trailer is MILES ahead of the SoS trailer and after watching the Talaash trailer a few times, that also seems to be an unexpectedly boring and flawed trailer. So, I’d put this ahead of that.
Romance genre’s main strengths need to be the hero, how well it’s shot and the songs and I think those are covered very well in this movie.
Talaash will be the only movie giving competition to this film, but, so far JTHJ > Talaash (from the two big trailers).
SoS, from the trailers, seems like it’s gonna drown just like Rascals did!
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September 20, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Arsh, I think you had the right instinct with your initial comment! Anyway your comment is a better barometer here than the rest of us because you’re a true-blue SRK fan and if you had that sort of reaction to the trailer it means something.
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September 20, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Satyam,
+1.
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September 20, 2012 at 12:37 PM
HomeRun…. problem is 40% of the people will still watch it…don’t care about the 47% so the job is to convetrt the 13% to watch it….LOL !!
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September 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM
of course i’m watching it…i rarely watch movies in theatres anymore! plus a (at least) seemingly alright romantic movie…that’s a refresher from all the action Bollywood’s been producing lately! And holy smack son…a romantic movie is actually a REFRESHER now!!! godddaaaaaamnnnnn!
Who cares about the others…the main point is with you only…you watching it or not…I couldn’t care less if I go into the theatre and it was COMPLETELY empty (or half full in case of RA.One) and I wouldn’t care more if it was jam-packed (like it was for Don 2)! sooo…who cares about others??? others can go screw emselves. I don’t care about others! hehe
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September 20, 2012 at 12:50 PM
sahee hai….
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September 20, 2012 at 1:15 PM
LOL!!!
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September 20, 2012 at 12:39 PM
LOL … lemme clear one thing ‘my bwoi’…I judge a trailer as a trailer, not as SRK’s trailer or Salman’s trailer or Aamir’s trailer or whoever else’s trailer…it’s a movie trailer.
This always happens though…here if I comment something bad about some other actor’s movie’s trailer, it seems like I’m doing it because I’m a fan. And if I comment bad about SRK’s movie’s trailer, it seems like it’s ‘worth more’ cuz I’m a Shahrukh fan! I say s’thing nice about SRK’s movie, then lemme quote here: “Of course being an SRK fan you have to be 100% sure that Talaash βwill NOT deliverβ.” wut does being an srk fan have anything to do with it??? I don’t even know… π same with SRK fan pages…if I say something nice about the teaser of Talaash, I’m not a fan then apparently. If I say something nice about SRK film’s trailers, everyone just says, “You said it brother!” I dunno … it’s weird that people think that way. SO PEOPLES, LET’S GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY PLEEEEEAASSEEEEE!!!! π
Anyway, I’m still expecting this to be a decent romance movie…if not a Veer Zaara, then at least a Dil Toh Pagal Hai.
fyi, there’s something revealed about the plot…apparently, at some point in the movie SRK loses his memory and another point, he works as a waiter in London!!! :O :O :O I like the memory part…intriguing! π
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September 22, 2012 at 7:26 AM
Arsh
agree with all your comments
Talaash ‘teaser’ was the best of the lot…….the trailer was boring and maybe a bit jaded because the movie has been held been held back twice – a lesson for Aamir hopefully – your an actor first mate!
JTHJ teaser/trailer is nice but way too long! If they shortened it to half the length it would have had more impact.
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September 20, 2012 at 1:04 PM
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/jab-tak-hai-jaan-track-similar-to-motorcycle-diaries/293486-8-66.html
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September 20, 2012 at 1:25 PM
this is ‘similar’ the way tons of scores are similar. Don’t see any too deep link here though the opening of the trailer looked out of a road film! Rahman might well have thought of such a cue in this sense. But again the Motorcycle diaries strain is hardly the most distinctive one either.
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September 20, 2012 at 1:07 PM
SPOILER …maybe
Rajeev Masand β@RajeevMasand
2 things abt Jab Tak Hai Jaan u prob didnt know: at some point in the film, SRK loses his memory. At some point, he’s a waiter in London.
uhhh… so SRK/Aditya Chopra avenge Ghajini by going Ghajini
The trailer is a little underwhelming, and too bad they chose to go with poetry instead of rahman…but it also means the next trailer featuring the songs is guaranteed to be better
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September 20, 2012 at 1:16 PM
so he’s an army guy, there’s an explosion, he loses his memory, they probably think he’s dead, he ends up in London, falls for another girl, eventually the past comes back. Note how Yash Chopra both in VZ and presumably here also seems to be falling victim to a certain impulse which truthfully was there even in Kabhi Kabhie (no matter how different that film might have been from these contemporary efforts_ — much as I said about Jha in Aarakhshan elsewhere he too asserts the ‘legendary’ quality of the love story and the ‘epic’ scale and ‘timelessness’ of the romance without ever showing us how and why it is this! Because otherwise the characters are busy inhabiting the same old Yashraj universe. In Kabhi Kabhie similarly the script did not quite match the poetry. Bachchan irons over this in his usual way and of course the Kapoors are charming here, the women are fine, Waheeda has a great performance.. all in all the actors deliver but the story doesn’t. Still that was a mature film. In these latter day efforts you have the same old teenybopper stuff masquerading as ‘epic love story’. And of course this infantile audience doesn’t mind it either. Having said all this I do expect a better film than VZ which was tiresome and the truly awful RNBDJ (which a lot of women liked and some men like Rocky did too by pretending they were into it for their spouses!).
Incidentally I heard the score a couple of times more. It’s easily the best thing about the trailer.
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September 20, 2012 at 7:48 PM
“so heβs an army guy, thereβs an explosion, he loses his memory, they probably think heβs dead, he ends up in London, falls for another girl, eventually the past comes back”
is it 1962 already? oh, its london, not kashmir, so i guess it’s 2012. and i don’t expect it to be any better than vz or rnbdj, probably even worse.
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September 20, 2012 at 10:04 PM
“Incidentally I heard the score a couple of times more. Itβs easily the best thing about the trailer.” – eventually that might be the savior for this film satyam which otherwise looks insipid from the trailer. I would very unhappy if I don’t see YR of Chandni and Lamhe here…don’t feel like blaming SRK because this is the only genre which has worked for him bigtime….there is no question of discussing abt. his script-sense etc. (how pathetic it is we know from his own productions) – and with YR, he never discusses the script – it is known. So die-hard SRK fans will lap it up, ARR fans will be forced to watch it, Gulzar’s charm still remains intact – so that is one more reason to go watch and at the end of the day: Indian audience have very little choice for a good or entertaining cinema – so they are now in a habit of lapping up most big budget films starring any of the 3 khans…..so this will do 100 cr+ no doubts – but will YR ever make any film after this???
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September 20, 2012 at 2:25 PM
yash raj should have used the popular track song of any of their movie and surely they have to changed this title( “jab tak hai jaan” main naachungi ) as it will surely create lot of spoof
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September 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Satyam: Yes, contrary to what many have commented the score is wonderful.
But how can I venture to go into a theater, if that godawful poetry remains in the film.? Aditya might be a cynical egotist, but how could Yashji allow anyone to mkae a travesty of his wonderful . ” Main aur Meri Tanhai’?
Forget the bad imagery, even the lines are in metre and a wrong word is used just for the sake of rhyming , just because Aditya’s vocabulary is limited to perhaps jujst 100 words or so.
” ..nahin bhoolounga mein and …nahin maf karoongan mein”
And what is ‘ tera haath se mera hath chodna’? Shouldn’t it be ‘ chhutna’?
Juts because Aditya cant find another word to rhyme with ‘ modna”?
Pathetic!
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September 20, 2012 at 3:15 PM
I think this poetry goes with the visuals and even speaks to those who dont know hindi , for ex the part which goes “choti choti teri” anyone can understand that the word following it means pants.
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September 20, 2012 at 3:25 PM
irony is here they don’t have someone like lata mangeshkar to salvage that which may be negeted somehow by rahman’s factor somewhat which one hopes so for film’s sake
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September 20, 2012 at 4:40 PM
My only Problem with YashRaj (post Lamhe) and Srk Romance is – they only believe in one kind of romance-the one where the ‘sighs’ are quite audible and the ‘head turns’ quite sharp. In a way I feel Ekta Kapoor’s plethora of Saas-bahu soaps were just a derivative of these.
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September 20, 2012 at 7:42 PM
most apt description of yrf romances i have ever come across. yrf is to romance what ekta is to soaps.
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September 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM
SRK From the eyes of his european fans-1st hand account!
Have never really liked srks choice of films or acting (mostly) but have always admired his undeniable success !
On this highly anti SRK forum, one can note how a pic or a trailer of SRK film gets put up– about 200 posts in less than a day–more than any other actors thread!
Even though most are negative–it does tell a story…
Ps– an SRK fan European friend /colleague is keen in this latest movie expectedly!!!
I asked –why SRK?
What’s so great? U don’t even know the language well!!
She tells me-his eyes /face speak everything I need to know.
And provided to me this link–
In the attempt to educate her–Hope at this late stage in srks career–I dont get ‘converted’ π
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September 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM
in japan, they think gov arnie is the best thing since sliced bread, justin bieber is most loved in 12-yr-old-girl-omg-la-la-land. i am sure their eyes speak to these people. your point being?
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September 20, 2012 at 11:12 PM
uff … yeh attitude!!! π
Arnie’s cool…aasta la vista, baby!
I don’t get all the hate with bieber…i mean honestly, I don’t like his singing, but, wut he’s achieved…wow, a round of applause from me for that!
SRK carries an inspirational story with him. A man that rose from the dust. I’m actually reading a couple of books from University Library and they are amazing reads. Getting even more immersed into Shahrukh. It’s a life that anyone would die to live…(figure that paradox out!)
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September 21, 2012 at 5:46 PM
^Btw the above SRK facial clip is also for SRK fan Oldgold–hope she enjoys it π
@ arsh-I’ve also heard of those SRK books from his fan!
Why don’t u write a brief summary and put it up here for us-also will work for your school ‘project’ etc…& i will forward it to his die hard fan..
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September 22, 2012 at 2:30 AM
sorry man, can’t post a ‘summary’ … doesn’t do the book even close to justice lol.
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September 22, 2012 at 3:21 AM
Cmon Arsh- dont be lazy and don’t worry about ‘justice to the book’ etc
Plz educate me n Anya on Srk …
Ok -i will ‘award!!’ u with a date with kareena kapoor (!!) for that effort π
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September 22, 2012 at 5:45 AM
Sorry yaar, both books are like 200 pgs…I can’t summarize 200 pages in a summary on a blog lolz.
“…a date with kareena kapoor…” … I got better things to do.
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September 21, 2012 at 8:22 PM
i was just responding to aa’s comment. those 2 may be ridiculed by some, but they have their share of followers too. so having fans outside the country in today’s fast shrinking world is hardly unheard of. yes, it’s pretty cool that he came from outside the industry and rose to stardom. so did a lot of film industry people in 50’s, 60’s, 70’s etc. under much worse circumstances. sunil dutt was a refugee, dharmendra, dev, dilip all from small towns, villages etc. hardly unprecedented. and shahrukh wasn’t homeless. he came from a decent, educated family in delhi, worked in tv, made connections and then starred in films. good for him! even that story template has a precedent in the form of amitabh bachchan who rose to dizzying heights; if anything, his story is more interesting. but inspirational? mandela and hawking and suu kyi are inspiring. when did a second rate bw actor (not specifically srk, i mean any) become something to aspire to? so i find this fetishization of srk’s success a little disturbing. i feel it has more to do with his bungalow, and cars, and gifted house in dubai. in other words, all those aspiring actors out there who think if a not-so-good-looking, not-so-talented actor like him can make it big, maybe i can too. so we as the average joe are just projecting our own materialistic desires and hunger for success, whether deserved or not, onto him. nothing wrong with that actually, as long as we admit it to ourselves. but presenting it as a “oh no, look how he fought horrible adversities and achieved something impossible” is kind of disingenuous.
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September 22, 2012 at 2:37 AM
Antya…I couldn’t give less of a shit about what you think lol. If you don’t agree with me, I don’t care what you think…you can give your points and I’ll take a look at them and if I agree with something, I’ll point that out, but, as a whole, I really do not care (don’t take it offensively…i’m like that with everything, not only the SRK matter). I don’t mean any disrespect to you, but, I just highly disagree. π
And please, you must read a couple of his biographical books and they’ll give every single detail as to how this man is unique and how his story is unique. So, please don’t just look at the outer layer, take a look inside as well. The books give some great insight. I have read a book about Nelson Mandela…he’s inspirational, in a different manner. One person can’t inspire you from every aspect, however, some people can inspire you from ‘many’ aspects, and that’s the deal here. Same with Chris Gardener…it’s different though. You see wut I’m sayin?
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September 22, 2012 at 3:13 AM
Cool it folks and chill..
Btw I feel that Anya makes some v good points on ‘movie fan-dom’ in general-well said π
One doesn’t need to be so ‘worshipping’ of ‘movie stars’ imo–but that’s personal and that’s why I’m not a fan of anyone (the way some here are)
Anyhow We can’t stop people making temples for their stars etc haHaha
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September 22, 2012 at 5:43 AM
LOL no of course, why would someone worship anyone??? That’s just weird lol. But, when someone’s undermining a person’s achievement, that is when I have a problem. I’m sorry, but, 99% of the people can’t do what they want to do. And Shahrukh wanted the fame and wanted billions of people to know him and he did it DAMN WELL! And honestly, that deserves respect. He worked his ass off to get where he is and to undermine his success by saying that it’s not the same kind of inspiration that one gets from someone like Mandela is wrong.
I don’t find anything wrong with being a fan. I’m a fan of many people for their professional careers…for example, SRK, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Amy Hennig, Christopher Nolan, Nolan North … all of these people I have professional respect for, however, there’s a personal element attached with my respect for SRK. Something quite close to me and when someone tries to attack that personal element, it bothers me.
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September 22, 2012 at 5:51 AM
Hmm arsh –I do get your point & respect it ..
Btw u are a nice guy and u dont need to get ‘rude’ to anya to get you’re point …ok?
Anyhow she is under my ‘protection’ now π
Ps: now I’m getting curious about those SRK books uve been reading–do consider writing something about it for us..
I know it’s difficult to summarise but do a quick random writeup –also I can forward it to some SRK fan as well
Ps: I thought a Kareena date would tempt u!!
How about sonakshi sinha –(note I’m choosing the ones that I don’t fancy lol)
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September 22, 2012 at 10:14 AM
oh wow! when did i undermine anybody’s success? i guess that’s why i can never be a ‘fandom’ person. to get so riled up about a comment made by a random person about a celebrity requires a special type of investment in a public persona and frankly i don’t have the time or the energy to respond so vehemently to a non-insulting comment and putting lots of lol’s and smileys to prove how much i don’t care. my comment was not even so much about srk but our fetishization of others’ material success and what it says about us. i was really having a serious discussion. but you are obviously not interested in that, you didn’t respond to any of the points but just told me to ‘educate’ myself about how srk is great. reading books about srk? no thanks! as you so eloquently put – i don’t give a shit. don’t worry, you won’t be hearing from me again.
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September 22, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Cmon Anya –cool down –Arsh is just a kid–he doesn’t mean it that way lol
Let’s go for a ‘ride’ π
@ Arsh –mate I can get where u r coming from–but u seem to be getting too ‘attached’ to Srk and even a hint can get u combative–
Just read your interaction with mksRooney and many others …( even much more than oldgold lol)
As Anya said — there’s no need to be so ‘sensitive’ about these things–
Not saying I’m helping u in ‘character building’ or anything –just my friendly suggestion..since i like u as a guy—
u can ignore some comments if that helps π
Ps–@ Anya-get ‘tough’ gal–an odd comment shouldn’t matter …
“Cmon Anya –cool down –Arsh is just a kid–he doesn’t mean it that way lol
Let’s go for a ‘ride’ π
@ Arsh –mate I can get where u r coming from–but u seem to be getting too ‘attached’ to Srk and even a hint can get u combative–
Just read your interaction with mks Rooney and others …
As Anya said — there’s no need to be so ‘sensitive’ about these things–
Not saying I’m helping u in ‘character building’ or anything –just my friendly suggestion..since i like u as a guy—
u can ignore some comments if that helps π
Ps–@ Anya —
U are right about ‘fetishisation of others material success’
Btw U are a ‘spice gal’–liked your attitude n style n spunk! π
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September 22, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Aargh ‘duplication’ when typing from iPhones —
Read @ your own peril, folks!!
Btw I should now start charging folks for this ‘entertainment’…
Ps: someone (who apparently follows this blog) asked me if I and satyam are ‘hand in glove’ !(how did she know?)
He ‘tries to stop’ and I ‘create controversy’ π
Ps: anyhow it is good for increasing ‘views’ and increases TRPs …
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September 22, 2012 at 7:03 PM
No, as I said I lol, I don’t mean to be rude to her. I just don’t care for her opinion π and I’m pretty sure she doesn’t care for mine and I don’t care about that either, about which she probably doesn’t care either (cyclical things are awesome). Yes Alex, I am personally attached to SRK’s personality as I watched a few of Shahrukh’s interviews and the ideas that he said there saved me from making a self-harmful mistake (to say the least lol) and going back to some of those interviews keeps me going in life. So, in a way, it is an essential part of my life.
This might seem like a kid’s opinion, but honestly, I am understanding. I understand the other person’s opinion, but, if the other person’s opinion is uninformed and just spewing with hatred, should I respect that person’s opinion? I do not. I don’t dislike the person at all, but, I just stop caring for the person’s opinion.
LOL this is kinda pissing me off a little…I’ll be back after a few days π
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September 22, 2012 at 7:12 PM
Oh what timing– arsh !!
Am busy in an ‘audition’ with anya….
If she gets pissed off–we will lose a heroine!
So relax n chill mate π
Good nite!!
Ps: apparently the YouTube hits of this promo has crossed in 2 days what ETT achieved in much longer or something like that..enjoy
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September 23, 2012 at 2:07 AM
that rags to ricjes story as part of pr exercise has been milked for to long( especially when the guy had a restaurent in daryaganj and two houses in delhi including one in posh hauz khas during that period)…its time to move to something new especially when a certain ranbir kapoor is capturing the romance/lover boy angle with much ease and better performances in that genre of targetted crowd
his other collegue who was part of barry john set up manoj vajpayee was what i call a real rags to rich story and ironically his acting talent only went up and not stagnated with time
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September 22, 2012 at 8:06 PM
before i go, i’m sorry Anya. I could have composed my wording a little bit better. I do not agree with your point of the “…materialistic desires and hunger for success…”. And I’m sorry for ‘losing my temper’ and talking seemingly rudely, but, I don’t mean that in a rude manner. That’s my bad, but, please don’t insult my intelligence by using the wording like “fetishization” of materialistic things to sum up someone’s life.
So, I’m sorry…I would luv to hear from you again β₯. I’ll try to keep my temper intact next time π . I’ll take your leave now. bye!
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September 20, 2012 at 8:39 PM
“your point being?”
That u r v cute, Anya π
Ps: are u a good amateur actress btw (for a spoof on the Srk film I’m making)
Haha
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September 20, 2012 at 8:43 PM
i am too straightforward to be a good ‘actor’, nice try though. plus i could never associate myself with something so ridiculous π
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September 20, 2012 at 8:47 PM
Don’t worry – I also teach ‘acting’ ha
Btw this choice of actors is only finalised after my ‘auditions’!
And it’s forcible π
Ps: who are your current favorite Bollywood heroines currently-just by the way…(saying ‘none’ is not an option)
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September 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM
End of the day Film’s quality will matter..
Anyway…Awesome/Phadu Trailer…I would say 2nd best after Don 2…but this film will have wider appeal than Don 2…
This will be the biggest SRK grosser….Biggest hit for Yashji and SRK…It will definitely break Ra One’s record of a single day collection that is 22 crore despite SOS…Biggest first week for SRK..
YRF should plan something special for Overseas market..it has the potential to break MNIK record overseas…it can cross 100 Cr in both the markets..
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September 20, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Hmm -u have a point- bhaloo!
Let’s see what happens …
I don’t make spoofs on unprofitable films-cocktail did well-now this one should!
Ps: the Rahman songs havent kicked in yet – should only get better
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September 20, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Passable Trailer – was reminded a lot of the entire romantic track of Gautham Menon’s Vaaranam Aayiram. Maybe they have stretched that (Surya, Sameera Reddy, Divya track) into an entire movie here……
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September 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM
Its a yawn worthy trailer, the only thing that remains is the music… which builds on.
The most pathetic part is though i dont remember big b scene from trishul, the CGI work in the ending scene is poorly done, looks B Grade.
On the positives : The youth, energy and passion of the heroines and the music remains.
Is that enuf for me to check in cinemas? NOPE.
Compare to this MNIK trailer was epic or even say OSO.
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September 21, 2012 at 1:31 AM
I don’t believe it’s CGI at the end, I think they actually may have done those explosions, but, even if they didn’t, they actually look well done, the fire in the last explosion isn’t sequenced well though.
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September 21, 2012 at 2:23 AM
@arsh:
well i felt it was CGI, and no i didnt felt it was well done.. but that’s me..
between i was thinking is a beard allowed in army? (assuminghe is in army at first place)
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September 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM
The only thing I didn’t feel was done well is the fire of the last explosion. It wasn’t synched well with the explosion. That’s all. The explosions seemed very well done, with extremely close attention being paid to even the debris that’s flying [assuming it’s CGI].
LOL did you not see Sunny Deol in Border? hahaha [but that was a good movie though]. And yes, a beard is allowed in the army.
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September 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM
cool bro
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September 22, 2012 at 5:53 AM
wow…another great feat though…the trailer is # 1 in “Popular videos around the Web”
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September 22, 2012 at 7:34 PM
I am very certain Gulzar hasnt written that poetry..
certainly not someone who has given us:
Gulposh kabhi itraaye kahin
mehke to nazar aa jaye kahin
taaweez bana ke pehu use
aayat ki tarah mil jaaye kahin..
now compare this to:
tera haath se haath chodna
tera saayon ka rukh modna
tera palat ke phir na dekhna
nahi maaf karunga mai
jab tak hai jaan
it’s even awkward to let these awful lines share space with the former..
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September 23, 2012 at 2:20 AM
Tony Montana: As I have pointed earlier. there are are grammatical errors, the lines don’t rhyme properly and are not in meter.
One acnnot say ‘ tera haath se haath chodna” . It has to be either ‘ tera haath se haath chhutna’ or ‘ tera haath chhodna”.
THen ‘ … nahin bhoolonga mein’ and ‘ …nahin maaf karoonga main’ have different number of syllables and don’t even rhyme properly.
‘ nahin maaf karoonga mein’ is areal lame line anyway.
And what is this ‘ tera saayonka’? How many shadows does a person have? it is ‘ Mera Saaya’ and nort ‘ Mera Saayon’ right?
I can take any bet this is not written by Gulzar. He has not turned senile yet.
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September 23, 2012 at 3:26 AM
towards bottom..
http://www.yashrajfilms.com/Movies/MovieIndividual.aspx?MovieID=7ad18bc3-20ab-4159-be21-a88eeb0de670
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September 23, 2012 at 4:38 AM
I’m not expressing my opinion of the poem – just an understanding of the lines.
>β tera haath se haath chhodnaβ.
In this case the complete phrase “haath se haath chhodna’ is a noun. It is better understood in English where the gerund represents the verb. *your leaving of the hand*
It’s like tera + any gerund (tera jaana, tera muskurana, instead of teri muskurahat)
So, your problem here is your insistence on using a verb. This use of gerund is common in poetry.
This song has some examples
>tera saayon
It’s the same problem as the previous one, also the plural seems to confuse you.
If you take the complete line it makes sense.
“tera saayon ka rukh modna”
tera + saayon ka rukh modna
More than one shadow perhaps denotes that her turning away from him (to go away?) puts their *shadows* facing in opposite directions.
>THen β β¦ nahin bhoolonga meinβ and β β¦nahin maaf karoonga mainβ have different number of syllables and donβt even rhyme properly.
Not getting into details of haiku, alternative rhyming etc here, but he seemed to have taken a 1st line =4th line syllable way
7-8-9-7
Yes, sounds more like a lyrical/serious limmerick
@Tonymontana
In these days of Hinglish to mostly English, an attempt at writing poetry in an easyily understandable hindi is laudable.
Leave alone Gulzar’s urdu, even passable hindi becomes difficult to understand for many – as my earlier part of this comment indicates. π
Urdu in poetry DOES make a poem sound superior (even if it isn’t) – so lets not fall into this trap.
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September 23, 2012 at 4:54 AM
Another tera + song
Now between tera + milna one can add other words like;
tera + bar bar mujhse milna
just like tera + haath se haath chhodna
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September 23, 2012 at 5:01 AM
Another one;
tera + muskurana
tera + aake chale jaana
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September 23, 2012 at 5:08 AM
Before anyone comes up with;
it should be haath se haath chhudana – then it’s the same as teri muskurahat, and tera muskurana.
or ghar chhodna.
The difference being the ‘forcible’ chhudana (passive form) and the active form of ‘chhodna’ which sounds ‘not forced’.
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September 23, 2012 at 2:37 AM
It is written by Aditya Chopra. Btw apparently poster of JTHJ has been copied from that of a French film “Forces Speciales” http://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/discussion/jab-tak-hain-jaan-poster-lifted&sa=U&ei=46xeUOfpIori2QWPzIHYCg&ved=0CBUQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNF1aAf-FuCyJmDGLop1vn5C50trVQ
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September 23, 2012 at 5:25 AM
The mutual admiration club π
Karan Johar: Jab Tak Hai Jaan will be spectacular
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/karan-johar-jab-tak-hai-jaan-will-be-spectacular-tv/20120921.htm
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September 23, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Oldgold: It is not about forcible and notforced. It si about , you cannot say’ Tera haat se haath chhodna’.
If you want to say ‘chhodna’, you can say ‘ Maine tera haath chhod diya’, you cannot say ‘ maine tera haathse haath chhod diya’.
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September 23, 2012 at 9:13 AM
OLdgold:
” your leaving of the hand’ can translate to ‘ tera haath chhodna’ , which would be correct in terms of usage.
If you take the complete line it makes sense.
βtera saayon ka rukh modnaβ
tera + saayon ka rukh modna
More than one shadow perhaps denotes that her turning away from him (to go away?) puts their *shadows* facing in opposite directions.’
Very lame and illogical explanation. If there are two of the , as indeed there are, there are two shadows. But only one of them is turning away, right? ( ‘ her turning away from him ‘ to go away’ as you say.
So even if the two shadows are facing in opposite direction, only one of them is turning its ‘ rukh’.
No, any w y you look at it it is a poor attempt at poetry.
And none of the clips you have posted has the usage ‘ tera haathse haath chhodna’.
I can challenge you to find any in the whole annals of Hindi / Urdu poetry / lyrics.
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September 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM
I don’t have the time nor the inclination to get into an argument with you. At first I had thought perhaps the words are confusing you, which can happen to anyone, but I think you ‘want’0 it to be wrong LOL
I’ve spoken hindi all my life and the poem may have struck me as nothing great, but not grammatically wrong.
Haath se haath chhodna only indicates that it is the haath that has been disengaged from another haath.
It could have been Tera haath se baal chhodna, tera haath se baahn chhodna……
If one can say ‘haath mein haath’ why not ‘haath se haath’?
I was just forestalling any argument about chhudana and chhodna where the former is used as ‘pulling away’ and the second as ‘disengaging’.
It turned out to be a leading statement, so I won’t say anything more about it.
‘sayon ka rukh badalna’ is perhaps one line which I find quite poetic in the whole piece.
It could even mean ‘total change in everything’ brought about, thus the plural.
But admirers of genres like GOW and that Deepika/Diana/Saif film couldn’t possibly see anything in this except silliness – which is the norm here for such things, anyway.
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September 23, 2012 at 11:01 AM
Here is answer to your challenge about haath se haath.
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September 23, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Here’s another one, though I already know what your response will be.
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September 23, 2012 at 11:23 AM
I found someone’s urdu poetry without spending much time and with little inclination;
It talks about haath se haath chhudaney lage ho- (though it is spelt as churane)
Here it’s the ‘pulling away’ variety, the other can be substituted
with your + …ing
http://www.ranjish.com/four-lines-poetry/hath-se-hath-churaney-lage-ho.html
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September 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM
@ Oldgold: haha u seem to be in form –spare poor utkal uncle π
I’m not good @ lyrics but u have explained (& taught) well to those (like me) not v good in the language.
Also good point that Urdu poetry sounds better than Hindi usually!
Btw u must be aware that u have been short listed for one of the roles in the SRK film spoof–u should thank me there lol
Ps: u have also been now forcibly given the job of Hindi lyrics ….
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September 23, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Cant believe you guys are having this argument over a few sentences. Poetry is supposed to be abstract.
Chchodne Chchudaane mein kya fark hai bhai? Aaj ke zamaaney mein jab maashooq haath chchudai to aashiq ko chchodna hi padta hai. Mohabbat mein koi bandish nahin. Agar sachi ho to chidiya khud ud ke vaapis aa jaati hai.
Btw, these two words sound very bad when written in English. ChCh or Ch mein zyaada fark nahi hai…
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September 23, 2012 at 11:47 AM
Yes nykavi –agree
Also as far as my relatively little info in this goes–‘chodna’ and ‘chut na’ etc–makes some obscene meaning without ‘h’ etc
So folks–beware–this sort of (indirect) obscenity will not be tolerated in the name of lyrics!!!!
This is a ‘family’ film and a family blog!!
Correct me if I’m wrong Oldgold ….
π
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September 23, 2012 at 12:10 PM
OLdgold, you still don’t get it. I have always maintained. ‘ haath se haath mila sakte ho, Haath se haath chhuda sakte ho’ lekin’ haath se haath chhod nahin sakte ho’
So when you quote an Urdu poem that says ‘ haath se haath chhudaney lage ho’ I have no problem with it. I had already said in my earlier post that ‘ haath se hath chhuda sakte ho’ or ‘ haath chhod sakte ho’. So what is new that you are pointing out?
My challenge still remains. So me one piece of work that has ‘ Haath se haath chhodna’
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September 23, 2012 at 12:33 PM
>OLdgold, you still donβt get it.
If I get what you are saying, we’ll both be wrong.
LOL – using the infinitive to confuse (you or me, I’m not sure)
I’ll try one last time.
***IT IS NOT BEING USED AS A VERB***
You understand the difference between a verb and a noun?
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September 23, 2012 at 12:32 PM
@ utkal uncle —
An Srk fan (who knows zilch English) said that for the first time, she had understood bits of Hindi poetry!
To help further–Srk ‘spoonfed’ those like her with English translations.
Yes-the quality of this writing may have been better
But aditya chopra isn’t exactly a fool not using gulzars implied poetry here since that’s not the point really..
How many Bollywood romances have crossed 100 crores till now?
Barring. South masala remakes or aamirs ghajini /3i or houseful type deals !
For this movie–100cr is the bare minimum !
It’s about ‘including’ audiences
Me and satyam (in our spoofs) are not fools to not use more complex stuff here ! π
If that’s the requirement –one can go to poetic semInars or the smaller films for that poetic appreciation
Here it is ‘designer simulated poetry’ @ work that all can grasp .
Ie the ‘ball game’ is different –(though could have been better even then!)
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September 23, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Oldgold, of course it is being used as a noun and not a verb, but the right noun would be ‘ chhudana’ or ‘ chhutna’ not ‘ chhodna’. All three are are nouns. That’s not the issue. The question is which one. Got it?
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September 23, 2012 at 1:38 PM
No, chhodna is also a verb, the infinitive.
All verbs ending in ‘na’ are infinitives, like peena, khelna, karna…chhodna…chhudana,
It’s the **combination** with “Tera” that makes it a noun.
I gave so many examples…but you are still stuck.
tera ghar.., tera mahal…, tera ravaiyya…, teri cycle…, AND, tera chhodana.
I’m so happy I don’t have to be a teacher of a student like you.
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September 23, 2012 at 12:45 PM
AA, the question is not about accessible poetry. I have no problem with . Miin to Bhelpuri kha rahaa thaa.. tujhko miirchi lagi to mein kya karoon.’ ‘Hum tum ek kamrein mein band ho’ is also accessible and beautiful. You don’t have to use wrong grammar and wrong physics ( tera saayon’) to be accessible. It just shows what a sub-standard mind Aditya Chopra has got.
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September 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Yeah the quality of this poetry could’ve been better– infact much better..
But after seeing certain cases who understood this for the first time–
It doesn’t matter in the scheme of things here
Plus
When the game gets bigger, the ‘focus’ changes…
To cash / moolah
Ps: satyam : thanx for booking me into swanky hotels in all 4 locations — don’t worry — will accommodate the rest of the leading cast with me–
We will try to recover in the first week,ok ? π
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September 23, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Typo above -“knows zilch Hindi ”
To add —
@ Anya –your ‘audition’ was ace! Boss –u taught me a few things lol
Also –the perfume u were wearing was addictive ..
@ Amy –u are also the ‘stylist’ since u seem to be good in that ( along with your actress role)–provided u are ‘fair’ to other gals as well π
I Normally don’t need a stylist …but wont mind help here …
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September 23, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Oldgold, there is nothing wrong with tera chhodna, I have already given example of how it would be alright to say ‘ tera haath chhodna’ . What is wrong with is ‘ tera haath se haath chhodna’ . Get it?
That is why I am challenging you to show me one usage with that combination : tera haath se haath chhodna.
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September 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM
As I said, I’m a hindi speaker and I know the usage very well. Why should I have to depend on any other source.
Am I forming my English sentence correctly or not? Same way I know how to construct hindi sentences, and I say this is OK.
saying haath se haath chhodna – Disengaging the hand from hand!
It’s quite possible that;
-if you are a hindi speaker then this is not said in your region
-if you aren’t a hindi speaker..then why argue?
We’ve been having a discussion about the English sentence;
” I lost my way” – it seems according to some Americans this is just not said.
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September 23, 2012 at 2:50 PM
completely agree. One just cannot translate a language into the other using the former’s grammar and expect it to make the exact or correct meaning in the latter. Its a 50-50 chance.
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September 23, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Jahan se mei aata hoon..”Haanth chhodna” matlab pitaayi karna hotaa hai π
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September 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM
Aur Jahan se mei aata hoon.. Waha issko ‘ Baal ki Khaal nikalna’ Kehte hain π
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September 23, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Behti ganga mei “haanth dho” lena chahyeh π
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September 23, 2012 at 10:42 PM
“Haanth chhodnaβ matlab pitaayi karna hotaa hai- exactly. aur yeh muhavre ki tarah Lucknow-Kanpur-Unnao jaise kshetro mein prachlit hai
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September 23, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Oldgold: And what about ‘ tera saayon’ ? Or do we have a supernatural chudail of a heroine who casts multiple shadows on the ground? With Aditya Chopra anything is possible.
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September 23, 2012 at 1:53 PM
^@Utkal uncle–Oldgold hasn’t held your hand –a question of ‘haath chhodna’ doesn’t arise–relax π
I think u are dying for a role –dont worry–I will do something for u —but it won’t have any scenes with any of the gals!!!
Also for poetry –one can go to gulzars home productions or a smaller film /serial etc!
Here we are in Alex/ Satyam productions! (ASP) !!
We don’t deal with anything less than 100 crores hahaha
What say Satyam lol
Anyhow we are ‘using’ every team member to the max!
Ps–@ anya –u are also my ‘personal physician & mental coach’ to keep me ‘fit’ & help me ‘focus’ π
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September 23, 2012 at 3:22 PM
Oldgold, by your token some street side yokel from London should write better English that Amitabh Ghosh or Salman Rushdie, which obviously is not the case. It is a question of who knows the language better. As I have said try showing me one piece of work where ‘ haath se haath chhodna’ is used.
I mean if someone says . ‘ I will sent you home’, it is plain wriong even if the speaker is from heart of London.
Even Aditya Chpra may claim to be a Hindi speaker, but his Hindi is pathetic. So I am not really impressed by anyone’s claim of being a Hindi speaker, unless he or she can prove that he or she knows the language and its syntax well.
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September 23, 2012 at 6:22 PM
> unless he or she can prove that he or she knows the language and its syntax well.
In other words *you* know them well to understand the proof – while my knowledge is that of a street side yokel.
What arrogance!!!
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September 23, 2012 at 9:12 PM
*sigh* People who don’t agree with your opinion on cinema are ‘lids who think they know cinema’, people who don’t agree with your Hindi grammar need to ‘prove that he or she knows the language and its syntax well’ in order to gain the privilege of being taken seriously by you (or else they will be dismissed as a mere ‘street yokel’)- don’t you think that you are becoming a bit dogmatic?
And a mere ‘street yokel’ from London might not be able to match Rushdie/ Ghosh’s literary efforts- but if, say, you had somebody who grew up in East London or Liverpool they will have a more accurate grasp of the colloquial accent/ syntax- and what seems right to them might not seem right to Rushdie.
“You donβt have to use wrong grammar and wrong physics ( tera saayonβ) to be accessible.”
Yes- but you also do not have to use the RIGHT grammar in order to write a literary masterpiece. There are plenty of internationally acclaimed, award winning writers who use grammatically incorrect, regional variations of English- Junot Diaz’s Spanglish, for instance and there countless other examples.
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September 23, 2012 at 9:22 PM
And for someone who seems to be so rigidly judgmental about grammatic rules- it is ironic that much of your writing could be considered incorrect if interpreted using the same didactic standards that you use to judge other’s use of ‘proper syntax’.
For instance in this very comment you have mangled the idiomatic phrase ‘by the same token’ and instead typed ‘by your token’- now I could use this little niggle in ‘proper syntax’ to dismiss you as someone who cannot speak English properly- but I will not do so because it’s obvious that you are an eloquent writer and you have written some wonderful comments and any minor grammatical errors that you make (like ALL of us do!) do not in anyway take away from that.
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September 23, 2012 at 10:13 PM
BTW- I’m not trying to pick on your grammar- my own use of punctuation whilst commenting on this blog is absolutely abysmal, and my comments are full of typos that I am too lazy to correct- so criticizing someone else’s language would be very hypocritical of me. I only pointed it out to illustrate that even someone like you, who is clearly a skilled writer, does take creative liberties with the language.
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September 24, 2012 at 3:40 AM
Ami, i would reply to ur comment in detail later (have to rush to the hospital rt. now for a class) but let me assure u for now that comment of mine was bereft of any malice or bias against u and i don’t get any fun in singling u out- trust me i have the highest of regards for u and ur views and my comment was made with utmost sincerety(though u can choose not to believe me). Anyway hope the piece on Barfi will arrive as promised(while i continue to give u a hard time regarding the Ishaqzaade one)
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September 23, 2012 at 10:35 PM
Sadly, u too seemed to have decided to join this ‘Let’s Mock Utkal’ club Ami (and i thought u are above all these childish games). And i know that u might dismiss my arguements too by talking abt ‘poetic license’ etc but as a Hindi speaker who hails from the centre of the Hindi belt, I have never heard ‘chhodna’ being used like that (never even in a poem or a song). And the point is that not only it is grammatically incorrent but it also does not provide any kind of literary heft to the poem.
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September 24, 2012 at 2:08 AM
Saurabh- I did say that Utkal is a good writer- and that I was only pointing out the little error he made to underline how inconsequential this sort of mistake is. But I also think that his recent comments are quite presumptuously dismissive of anybody whose arguments he disagrees with and I don’t think that pointing this out constitutes a ‘childish game’ in any way.
Why donβt you have a problem when Utkal says that most Indian bloggers are lids who wrongly think that they know cinema or when he says that incorrect use of grammar indicates that people have ‘sub-standard minds’ and need to prove themselves? How is anything that I have said any worse that such intellectual snobbery? OG also says that she finds his comments arrogant, why didn’t you say anything about that?
No offence- I’m sure that your defense of Utkal’s comments is well intentioned but I do find it unfair. I’m not annoyed or anything- but I know that you are usually quite impartial- and I am unable to understand why you have a problem with my comments but not his.
I’m not a very fluent Hindi speaker so I’m not going to debate whether this particular usage is correct or not- my problem was with Utkal’s dismissive tone and his insistence that flawless grammar is central to the literary merit of a work.
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September 24, 2012 at 3:01 AM
A person who criticises and applauds need not be himself or herself an expert or flawless.
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September 24, 2012 at 4:11 AM
Saurabh-I didn’t think that you said it with malice- I know that you’re usually impartial and speak in defence of various people on the blog- I was just curious as to why you found my comments more objectionable than Utkal’s.
Sanjana- It’s true that you don’t need to be skilled in something in order to crique it- but when a person insists that being grammatically incorrect indicates a sub-standard mind and that others will have to prove their knowledge of proper syntax to him – it then behoves himto not commit any language errors himself!
BTW- I know I sound like I am hounding Utkal here but that is not what I am trying to do- I disagree with many of his more hyperbolic statements but he does often come up with very informative, passionate comments and I’ve generally found his behaviour on the blog to be gentlemanly- which is why the tone of his recent comments suprises me so much.
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September 24, 2012 at 5:30 AM
I agree that substandard bit is cruel.
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September 24, 2012 at 5:51 AM
@ Sanjana–hmm…Good to see u again becoming active voluntarily around the exact time of this film and it’s spoof π
It probably shows your interest and keen-ness which is welcome. Feel u are a balanced calm & unbiased person.
Think its good to take u currently as assistant director (to me).
Also in our experience, the heroines are fragile (physically & emotionally) ie high maintenance! & may get ‘ill’ etc
So we may call upon u to do other roles as well, if needed π
Ps: note that only competent/suitable folks are approached and those who suit a particular job description.
Those who are either ‘too intelligent’ or ‘above these things’ or ‘auteurs’ are not welcome and may not care to read these forthcoming periodic sidelights/snippets…..
Ps2: Satyam : mate, we will save publicity costs and this blog will be our mouthpiece for all gossip /announcements ….(see– I’m already saving u money lol)
To repeat–Satyam is more than just signing cheques (& counting cash gross). He is intimately involved with me (back door) in certain planning haha
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September 24, 2012 at 6:03 AM
And thanks for that assistant directorship. I noticed some change in your name. This shorter version is rather cute.
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September 24, 2012 at 6:19 AM
“And thanks for that assistant directorship.”
No problems — u will be quite useful & handy (to me)
“I noticed some change in your name. This shorter version is rather cute””–hmmm thanx Sanjana– u r doing your job well!
Ok, u can also ‘shadow’ me to learn the ‘job’ π
Ps: think u r based in India (bombay)?-there’s a schedule in India — u will also be helpful there…cheers
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September 23, 2012 at 4:17 PM
π
http://twitpic.com/axpojy
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September 23, 2012 at 4:26 PM
I think oldisgold is right when she meant tera haath se haath chodna is meant as a verb..
but even utkal is right. think he as no issues with the grammar but with the choice of words being used..
“Tera haath se haath chudana” / “Tera haath chodna” sounds better than “tera haath se haath chodna”, which sounds slightly awkward, even though grammatically correct
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September 23, 2012 at 4:36 PM
“Chudana” sounds more like you are reminiscing about past and you have good memory of the incident. “Chodna” sounds more like you are bitter about the incident.
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September 23, 2012 at 4:42 PM
aah yes.. perspective and oxymora are an important part of grammar too..
which makes language all the more confusing
think both OG and utkal are right
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September 24, 2012 at 5:38 AM
Hindi is a tricky language.That is why DMK vehemently opposed its imposition and saved dravidians from arguing about chudana and chodna.
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September 23, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Btw lyrics of another song that I adore — from Jhankaar Beats.
it does have similar sounding lyrics to that JTHJ poetry:
Tera Muskurana Phir Has Ke Paas Aana
Mujhe Apna na Batana Phir Pal Mein Gum Ho Jana
Ehsaas Hai Abhi Us Pehli Baar Ka
Kaisa Yeh Nasha Hai Tere Pyaar Ka
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September 23, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Ami: Yes- but you also do not have to use the RIGHT grammar in order to write a literary masterpiece.
Oh, yes, you do.
There are deliberate breaking of rules of grammar and coinage of new words in literature.every day. Shakespeare has done it. Joyce has done it. But there is a difference between someone who knows the rules and breaks it and someone who does it out of ignorance. It takes someone who knows to differentiate between the two. Many people ignorant of modern art look at a painting of Picasso and say my 7 year old daughter can paint this. No, she can’t. Picasso could draw perfectly realistic human face or body if he wanted to.
Bob Marley can say. No woman, no cry’. Mick Jagger can sing, ” I can’t get no satisfaction’. Gulzar can say, ‘ paani, gila gila paani.” But they know what they are doing and why.
If the poem is in the language of a mistake-prone yokel, there has to be a consistency in the kind of mistakes, making it obvious that the mistakes are deliberate. But you cannot have a poem in the form of a high-sounding classical poem and make some basic mistakes of usage.
Ami again: “..but if, say, you had somebody who grew up in East London or Liverpool they will have a more accurate grasp of the colloquial accent/ syntax- ”
Yes, but this poem is not written in a Liverpool dialect but the Queen’s English.
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September 24, 2012 at 2:58 AM
Just to be clear- I am not saying that this poem is a literary masterpiece- itβs quite clearly not. What I was objecting to was your attitude of intellectual snobbery. I was responding to your earlier comment:
βYou donβt have to use wrong grammar and wrong physics ( tera saayonβ) to be accessible. It just shows what a sub-standard mind Aditya Chopra has got.β
I was simply disputing this, since some great authors and poets have written with a blatant disregard for grammar, so it doesnβt mean you can condemn people as ‘sub-standard mindsβ and βmistake-prone yokelsβ simply because their language is not flawless.
Aditya Chopra created an enduring, iconic classic with DDLJ. Itβs not βhigh cultureβ by any means- but that doesnβt take away from his achievement. He has always spoken in a language of cloying sentimentalism and that is the same tone that he employs in this poem- any pretenses at being classical are purely at the surface so heβs not attempting to write in the Hindi equivalent of Queenβs English as you claim.
Heβs not trying to write in the Queenβs English and failing out of ignorance- he is creating a world that is pure Scouser/ Cockney with a superficial dusting of the Queenβs English on top- and this is something that anybody who understands the mechanizations and pretenses of the Indian film audience should be able to see (to rephrase your own comment on how it takes someone who knows to differentiate between the deliberate rule-breakers and the ignorant). I highly doubt that he is so unbelievably ignorant and deluded that he actually thinks that this poem is a marvellous literary effort.
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September 23, 2012 at 10:16 PM
And what about ‘ tera saayon’ ?
What is the defense for that by the people in the forum?
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September 23, 2012 at 11:57 PM
Since the disputed dialogs have been uttered by SRK, Is it possible that he just used his own words while delivering them?
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September 24, 2012 at 6:12 AM
Thanx Satyam for sanctioning this (I’m also adding in some ‘funds’)!
We aim to start ‘virtual’ shooting around this weekend –till then need to wrap up some work -hope I can slog nonstop etc
@ utkal uncle–as u know–
I love your posts and enjoy them. Infact support u usually as in the case of anurag kashyap. But in my case, though there is no ‘mock utkal’ deal, it’s not an unconditional support either lol
In this scenario, as explained above–the poetry could have been much better but doesnt really matter big time beyond the point.
The concerns/ purview of aditya chopra/Satyam (who u have some problems with!) are different from anurag kashyap who deals in 10-20 crore films and is happy if it crosses30 cr odd —
One needs to look beyond ‘chodna’ etc for such projects !
Ps: even on language grounds–To be fair—in this case — u have been ‘owned’ by Oldgold (Hindi perspective) & by Amy (in the English perspective) –with due respects.
But I look forward to your input/views & find them interesting & fun.
Anyhow –I do sense that u are keen for a role –will keep a lookout-depends on the promos etc which probably kick off this weekend lol
Ps2: your insistence on ‘deep lyrics’ in this setup reminds me of some gals who don’t mind eating junk food/chips in McDonalds
/burger king, but insist on (only) diet cock (I meant coke) !
That reminds me Satyam: the heroines are demanding only ‘organic’ food & are on ‘healthy’ diets –that expense is fair, I think!
As for me–I don’t need it –I can manage by my ‘workouts’ haha
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September 24, 2012 at 7:24 AM
[This comment was in moderation as different screenname]
AA, even you haven’t still come out with any explanation for ‘ tera saayon’. Nor has anyone else.
And my objection is to those who say ‘ tera haathse haath chhodna’ is a correct usage. So me one example of previous usage is my challenge to them
If you accept that it is wrong, but Aditya is using it , then it is another matter. It goes into the area of poetic quality, which is subjective. And I will give my opinion that it is abominably bad.
As per Aditya’s iconic classic DDLJ, I will say it is no such thing. In due course of time it will be known as the contrived mediocrity that all his films are. Let’s not forget he is the man behind such unmitigated crapfest as ‘ Mohabbatein’ and ‘ Rab Ne Ban Di Jodi’. Almost any film of Imtiaz Ali is a better love story than the best of Aditya Chopra.
The measure an artiste is how he treats the smallest aspect of his creation. Classics are born out of that kind of passion.
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September 24, 2012 at 7:48 AM
Was just sent these figures –I thought the first promo was average but the figures on YouTube etc are awesome —(though these are v early days!) Haha-check this comparison–stupid but grossly high for JTJH !!–though not definitive but an indicator of interest ..
jthj after 9 hours youtube 10,668 likes, 915 dislikes
ett after 150+ days (10th may) days 13,034 likes, 2,862 dislikes
sos after 60+ days (19 july) days 6,678 likes, 1,729 dislikes
The mammoth star power of Shahrukh Khan is explicable by the euphoria that his latest release has generated. The trailer of Yash Chopraβs βJab Tak Hai Jaanβ hit the web on September 20 and garnered over four hundred thousand views and 15 thousand likes on YouTube.
http://www.examiner.com/article/shahrukh-s-jab-tak-hai-jaan-trailer-creates-euphoria-fans-react-on-twitter
Ps: seems aditya chopra (Satyam) won’t lose money here (@ the least) lol
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September 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM
If youtube was the barometer of box office success then SRK would be a superstar. Unfortunately it is not. Don2 and Ra.One too had lots of views, so do many other films. Does not mean the film will be a success.
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September 24, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Ami: β β¦any pretenses at being classical are purely at the surface.β I totally agree . I am not looking for depth. I know what is at the core is nothing morethan cloying sentimentality. I also have no problem with that.
It is the finish of the β surfaceβ that I am talking bout. And it IS very badly finished.
β ..he is creating a world that is pure Scouser / cockney..β., you say. Not true. He is not espousing the feelings that are at heart street-smart Bombaiya or rustic Bhojpuri. He is dishing at Malabar Hill romantic clichΓ©s crouched in Classical Urdu. He is okay with the Malabar hill candy-floss romanticism, ( It does not touch me, neither does it bother me.) it is the Classical Urdu that he flounders in. He is saying β Tumhari aankhoki namkeen mastiyanβ , he is not saying:
βvoh saamne chamaktii hai saa.ns hii aTaktii hai
aur yeh zabaan jaatii hai phisalβ or β Kya karoon aake miaen Khandalaβ or β Apun bola tu meri Lailaβ
That is the Cockney you are talking about…and beautiful cockney too that people like Mehboob have conjured there.
Incidentally, be it Cockney or Queenβs English there are certain common grammatical features.
Aditya has simply goofed up, because he does not aim at high standards.
You say DDLJ is an iconic classic. I say, hardly. It is a pretentious mediocrity that will show up in time. And let us not forget he is the man behind such unmitigated crapfest as β Mohabbateinβ and β Rab Ne Banadi Jodi.
Achieving excellence was never his credo, and the carelessness with which he composes verse is symptomatic of that.
Just think with a cool head about the lines I have referred to. You will see the truth of what I
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September 24, 2012 at 3:05 PM
“He is not espousing the feelings that are at heart street-smart Bombaiya or rustic Bhojpuri. He is dishing at Malabar Hill romantic clichΓ©s crouched in Classical Urdu. He is okay with the Malabar hill candy-floss romanticism.”
This is what I meant when I said it’s pure Cockney/ Scouser with a thin facade of the Queen’s English- the street-smart Bombaiya is equivalent to the street smart East Londoner, the rustic Bhojpuri to the Scouser and the the Malabar Hill candfloss folk are the anti-intellectual Chelsea socialites, maybe? π It’s a pretty convulted comparison but I only brought it up to dispute your London street yokel vs. Rushdie point.
“You say DDLJ is an iconic classic. I say, hardly. It is a pretentious mediocrity that will show up in time.”
Whether you appreciate DDLJ or not is your personal opinion- but there is no denying that it is an enormously widely loved film and was extremely influential in 90s Bollywood- and you have to give Aditya Chopra credit for that.
And I am a big fan of Vikram Seth- so thank you for the link and explanation below. π
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September 24, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Oh sorry- I misread your statement- I will admit that you have a point about him not catering to the street-smart Bombaiya or the rustic Bhojpuri- that was my mistake.
But my other point still stands- it is probably the Malabar Hill elite who have the weakest knowledge of Hindi- and he is merely speaking their language and catering to them! Again- I do not think that this is a result of his ignorance. Pop culture the world over uses slang, colloquialism and grammatical error in order to endear itself to it’s audience. While I agree wth you that this is not the ONLY way to make work accessible to the general audience- it is ONE of the ways to do so.
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September 24, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Ami, i thought i was too harsh on u in my earlier comment so my apologies to u. U have always been sweet to me so i should have probably taken care of the tone in my statements. And yes, i do think that some of Utkal’s comments (which u pointed out) were not very appropriate. And i could go on and explain as to why I objected to ur comments but i guess it would be besides the pointed now (let’s leave it for some other day). Anyway hope u would forget abt whatever I said π
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September 25, 2012 at 7:56 AM
There’s absolutely no need to apologize Saurabh- I’m not offended in the least. π
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September 25, 2012 at 8:37 AM
Thanks for that reassurance Ami π (compared to some of our lengthy heated exchanges in the past, this one was pretty short). But i would suggest u to read his comments one more time- ‘chhodna’ used that way may not exactly be grammatically incorrect (in its syntax) but it is a sort of ‘misfit’ in the sentence and makes it sound a bit nonsensical. And i have never seen it is being used this way either in chaste Hindi or Hindustani or the colloquial dialects like Awadhi, bhojpuri,maithili,bundelkhandi etc
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September 25, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Ami and Saurabh, while I enjoy reading the comments of you people and consider both of you as astute fellows I am slightly saddened to see that both of you have formed a mutual admiration club. And this has started to affect the originality of your thoughts. That’s why AA and Antya are like a breath of fresh air. They follow the beat of their own drummer
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September 25, 2012 at 7:21 PM
Haha! We argue with each other all the time! I don’t think that we have a ‘mutual admiration club’. π
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September 25, 2012 at 8:02 PM
“Thatβs why AA and Antya are like a breath of fresh air. They follow the beat of their own drummer”
Thanx for that ashi & I will convey the compliment to anya as well– hiya anya –gimme a high 5 !!–we have ‘fans’ π
Ashi–If u are new here—welcome and plz comment more.
Tell us about your tastes and favourites …
As for your other point–don’t think there’s much problem there…
I would like to defend here on his behalf …
Saurabh (minor) is a harmless keen boy who keeps this blog active and comes up with v frequent updates/links for us–I’m not being cynical but it keeps the blog active…
I think he looks upto and tries to emulate folks here like Satyam, gf, Amy– due to his excessive praising, he has been called a ‘sycophant’ (wrongly imo) by many!!
Nowadays he also tries to counter question people but then also apologises v soon( as seen in the above interaction) –but all this is harmless and not with bad intention.
We all do this sort of stuff (including me) but he does this more frequently and so comes into the notice of folks –many like me dont mind it …
Anyhow ashi —-nice to see u comment (if u don’t comment here already in another name) π
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September 26, 2012 at 7:09 AM
I have to disagree with you Alex-
I’m sure that Saurabh respects Satyam and GF’s knowledge/ writing skills (much like everyone else does) but he hardly ‘looks upto and emulates’ me! We spend far more time arguing and debating than we do agreeing/ praising each other. It’s pretty suprising that this arguement even ended this quickly because we usually get into pretty long-winded debates! π
And I certainly do not think that he is a sycophant- he’s encouraging of everybody on the blog but he does disagree with people quite often as well.
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September 26, 2012 at 7:30 AM
Haha Amy —
If u read I said that I ‘disagree* with minor being called a ‘sycophant’ !!
He has been called that by different people wrongly …
I think as a ‘reaction’, he sometimes feel the need to ‘disagree’ (maybe im wrong) —he doesn’t need to IMO
Anyhow–let’s stop putting him on the spot…I’ve seen minors ‘birth’ here lol
Ps: I’m curious as to where is ‘ashi’ though after those comments π
Hiya ashi ….
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September 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Ami and Alex,thanks much.Alex has always been kind to me and Ami is a sweetheart.But really Ami is right- While I do look upto Satyam,GF and Ami,I’m not sure why Alex thinks that I try to ’emulate’ them(and that i try to ‘impress’ people with my writing as he had once mentioned before- i am not good enough to impress anyone man)- The former 2 are titans and Ami, if she continues in this vein, has a good chance of joining their ranks-so i am sane enough to know the enormous gulf in their knowledge and mine
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September 26, 2012 at 1:55 PM
And my tastes are too different from Ami for me to try and emulate her- I’m the ‘masala henchman’ to Ami’s ‘Victorian Lady’- but yes, i do look upto her- she is a friendly (though a bit feisty and pugnacious at times) and intelligent laidy- the very reason i debate so much with her is bcos of her intellectual honesty which is disarming. Actually, like Ami,most of my ‘friends’ (if i may use the term) & debating partners are the ones who do not always share my views but share my way of thinking and mindset
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September 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM
For an insight into the true craft of poetry at the hihest level, you should take a look at what Vikram seth has just done for absolut.
Meter, rhyme, elegance, imagery, depth, playfulness… it’s all there.
I especially like the play on ‘ piya sa’ meaning ‘ kind of intoxicated’ as well as ‘ like the beloved.’
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/books/Vikram-Seth-paints-a-suitable-bottle/articleshow/16514658.cms
The green painting
Hindi/Devanagari – Pyasa Pyala – Shringar rasa
The emerald cup, the music high above,
The dreaming earth, all thirst for hidden love.
The vertical lines, Seth says, “continue into the lines of the musical staff. The ‘pyasa pyala’ itself can be faintly made out in the top left corner.” The words ‘piya-sa’ in the lower left corner of the painting could mean ‘kind of intoxicated’, Seth says, referring to the ‘sleeping’ bottle. Or it could be “‘like the beloved’, referring to the mysterious bottle standing to the side of the solid couple.”
The red painting
Chinese – Jiu – Vir rasa
The character embraces what is his.
The character embraces what it is.
Jiu, the Chinese character for wine, is bold, almost flamboyant. The seven smaller characters of the colophon, with Seth’s seal below, mean ‘Vikram Seth wrote this in Delhi’.
The blue painting
Urdu/Nastaleeq – Na Main Na Mai – Shanta rasa
In blue and gold I watch the evening sky
Darken, till neither it
remains nor I.
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September 24, 2012 at 11:00 PM
Let me make a last ditch attempt to try and explain what is wrong with β tera haathse haath chhodnaβ and β tera saayon ka rukh modnaβ.
Firstly, it is not that Aditya does not know what si wrong here. It is just that with his limited abilities, he cannot think of anything better or different to complete his rhyming scheme, and let these remain.
Now as to what is wrong. Some of the explanation is in English because it is pain to type and read Hindi words in Roman script.
As I said before,
Chhodnaβ needs an object. Tum kisi cheez ko chhod sakte ho, kisii chhez se nahin.
Tum ghar chhod sakte ho. Naukri chhod sakte ho. Haath chhod sakte ho.
You are the subject. What you leave is the object. The object can be qualified. For example, Tum koi company ka naukri chhod sakte ho. β company ka naukriβ is the object here. But tum company βseβ naukri nahin chhod sakte ho. Campany se istipha de sakte ho.
The β seβ is the problem here.
Haath se haath chhut sakt a hai. Haath se haath chhudaaya ja sakta hai. Lekin tum haath se haath chhod nahin sakte ho.
Letβs construct the actual scenario. The boy and the girl are holding hands. The girl disentangles her hands, turns and goes away. The boy looks on. The girl does not turn back to takea look at him.
So what happened. Ladki ne apna haath chhuda ke cali gayee.
Ya ladki ne ladke ka haath chhod diya.
Or, ladke ka haath se ladki ka haath chhut gaya. The implication here being is that the act was not totally a willful action. It happened. Or at least you want to see it that way and don’t want to put the blame on her. Any which way.
But you just cannot say, β Ladki ne ladke ka haath se haath chhod diya.β
You cannot leave an object βfromβ the same object.
Imagine someone saying , β Maine ghar se ghar chhod diya!β
That is a simply an absurd, logically untenable construction. Be it Cockney or Queenβs English. Be it Bombaiya or chaste Urdu.
Actually while going through the poem again to see if I could find something in Adityaβs defense, I found the translation done by Shahrukh as well. Quite certainly Shahrukh was privy to what Aditya wanted to convey before he undertook to translate the poem and went public with it.
This is how he translates those two lines:
β Your hand slipping from mine
Your shadow turning its gazeβ
If I have to reverse translate this keeping the key words of Adityaβs original poem in place, it would read ( the bracketed word is implied) :
β Tera haath ( mera) haath se chhutna
Tera saaya ka rukh modnaβ
Please note, the shadow is singular. There are no shadows. And of course the lines donβt rhyme, and that was Adityaβs problem. He could construct the first line differently so that it ended with ‘ chhodna’ while remaining correct in syntax. But he wasn’t up to it. Why bother, when 90% of the target audience won’t even notice? Why bother with perfection?
I rest my case.
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September 25, 2012 at 12:14 AM
“Tera saaya ka rukh modna”
Or Tere Saaye ka rukh modna???
I think everything else is fine with Adi’s poem…
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September 25, 2012 at 9:31 AM
@Bhalo_Manush
“Tera Sayon ka rukh modna”
*Here* the connection is between Tera and rukh Modna, and not with sayon.
Now why the plural was used is another matter.
Not knowing the context it’s difficult to say. It could be the shadows of past incidents, or shadows of time … there can be any number of possibilities.
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September 25, 2012 at 8:49 PM
“Now why the plural was used is another matter.
Not knowing the context itβs difficult to say”
I agree…It might have been used in certain context…i will wait till the movie releases…
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September 25, 2012 at 5:29 PM
But why is everyone attributing this song to Aditya in the first place? The song has been penned by the great wordsmith Gulzar from what I gather from the net,isn’t it?
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September 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM
Oh Priyanka —
Why didn’t u tell this earlier that it was gulzar?
Anyhow, it’s given utkal uncle some chance to interact with Oldgold and Amy —not bad…
Btw whats the ‘push’ before Priyanka
Joking –Welcome …
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September 25, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Satyam Ji,
Nice to watch ” Jab Tak Hai Jaan” promo, I like the poem.
Thank you.
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September 25, 2012 at 8:03 AM
@ Amy –u handled folks well there, overall π
Lol @ the cockney/scouser comparison …
“I rest my case.”– haha think utkal uncle –u were ‘forced’ to do that by Amy & Oldgold…
These elements /talents will be ‘used up’ and appropriate songs/scenes will be allotted to those actresses whose online behaviour / ‘personality’ is most apt and commensurate to carry it off!!
Sanjana (assistant director)–u keep noting these things .. π
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September 25, 2012 at 8:11 AM
@ utkal uncle– plz don’t let this ‘setback’ discourage u –I love your posts–keep em coming …
In films like this –‘pure art’ takes a back seat—commerce comes in (& should come in). For pure art—there are art galleries, poetic seminars, small films and tv serials ….
Also —
I’ve noticed that while interacting with gals like Oldgold, Amy and ‘anjali’–u login with your Facebook profile
Plz keep it up –since that enables them to view your handsome visage —they are gushing about u ..
Anyhow I think u and ‘anjali’ have started this new healthy transparent trend of logging in thru Facebook profiles etc and showing your photos
Well done and hope others can follow it
That reminds me–there was another commenter Sonia something (don’t remember full name) who used to post brilliant reviews from her Facebook –hope to hear more thoughts from her….
@ jayshah— YouTube hits are obviously only indicators of initial interest . It’s just that in JTJH it’s not marginal but extremely high compared to even recent ones like ETT…
Obviously the content has to be good and liked –this only indicates the ‘opening figures’ but that’s a part of the game also …
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September 25, 2012 at 8:29 AM
AA: Where is the setback? Even Bhalo Manush has admitted that ‘ Tera sayoon’ is wrong. And neither you nor Ami nor anyone else has come out with anything inits defense. And by ‘ I rset my cae’, I mean there is simply no argument possible, because even Sharukh from Aditya’s inner circle has translated the line as : Your hand slipping from mine” which obviously is ‘ chhutna’ rather than ‘ chhodna’.
Actually, I use these posts to gauge if there is an interesting view point somewhere rather than to prove my point, of which I am quite certain, based how solid they are with their logical premises.
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September 25, 2012 at 8:41 AM
> Even Bhalo Manush has admitted that β Tera sayoonβ is wrong
LOL!! How easily agreement is accepted. Hahahaha!
Bhalo Manush’s sentence is another expression, and is of course correct, just like all the expressions trotted out by you.
It depends on what one wants to say.
They just have another meaning…. but the meaning accepted by this yokel is unacceptable ….. ONLY because you said it was wrong FIRST… and now how can you accept it’s being right LOL!!
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September 25, 2012 at 8:41 AM
Relax utkal uncle π
Bhaaloo is not an expert either…Lol
In this scenario–the usage may/may not be faulty but the basic point is that it doesn’t matter in this setting/scale that much..
The ‘game’ here is predominantly about moolah /cash.
Art takes a back seat here.
Not supporting adityas wrong usage here but–
Have u ever made a movie where the livelihoods of a few thousands depends entirely on the returns?
Will discuss this in detail later maybe during the spoofs once the trailers/promos are out–
Did u notice how even in the first promo–
There is also an attempt to ‘include’ single screen viewers who lately had deserted kjo in kank/mnik?
The trishul ending etc
The same lyrics u are finding faults in are being praised by some Europeans/non Hindi speakers who are finding them easy and SRK is translating it into English to ‘spoonfeed’
It’s all a ‘balancing tightrope’–
In other words–real maturity also means ability to bring ones level ‘down’ when needed & not staying enclosed in a ‘intellectual ghetto’!
This is not to support folks like chopra in these efforts but to explain why the likes of kashyap can’t/won’t go beyond 30-49 crores and why sometimes, it is necessary to ‘unlearn’ things and let your guard down π
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September 25, 2012 at 9:18 AM
AA: How does it matter if Kashyap does not go beyond 30 crores? ( Of course he will. He may even touch 100 cr with Bombay Velvet. Barfi is doing it. And 3 idiots did 200 cr, not by choosing a name like ‘ Jab Tak Hai Jaan’ to please single scree audiences as some one has suggested. He used a song like ‘ Give me some sunshine, give me some arin’. No cynical attempt at wooing the single screen audiences again. For that matter even Ghajini didnt dumb itself down to reach out to mass audiences. Ra One did and yiu know what were the consequences. Aditya aur Karan ka dosti ne use nikmaa jkar diya, varna woh bhi tha actor kaam ka) Wes Anderson’s films don’t cross 100 million. Neither does films of Terence Mallick. Or David Fincher. Woody Allens’ films don’t cross 300 million. Neither do Tarantino’s . Or Linklater’s. But these are the makers who interest me. s does Spielberg or Shyamalan or Cameron. It’s not how much a film makes, but how.
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September 25, 2012 at 9:27 AM
“But these are the makers who interest me”
Me as well.
But this film’s real target audience is not u (or me as such)
The target is those who made ddlj, DTPH, KKHH big successes –rightly or wrongly …
It’s about ‘targeting’ —
The right approach is /should be —make an excellent product that YOU like –but not every maker has that conviction and guts–
And with the financial stake involved nowadays–not everyone has the guts to take that risk –anyhow u are involving ‘guts’ of lots in that risk automatically
Got to Work now–Will catch up later…
Will await your ‘ranking’ in the box office thread π
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September 25, 2012 at 9:35 AM
>But this filmβs real target audience is not u (or me as such)
The target is those who made ddlj, DTPH, KKHH big successes
You mean, like me. Come on, say it. Hahahaha!!
Glad to see you allying yourself with the superior intelligent club. LOL
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September 25, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Boss, are you Street from NG? Just wondering.
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September 25, 2012 at 4:50 PM
LOL!! No, I’m from the side of the street.
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September 25, 2012 at 9:43 AM
Hahaha well spotted
I can modify my ‘tastes’ where needed ..
.I don’t get stuck in ‘intellectual ghettos’ but enjoy /frolick in the harem of life !!!
(wow –what a quotation !!) –will keep this n record for further use
Where I get to frolick with nice actresses(like u& others) in picturesque locations and get paid well–I don’t mind that either π
Ps: OG –u ‘are’ intelligent–don’t worry lol
Let’s work now..
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September 25, 2012 at 4:52 PM
>I can modify my βtastesβ where needed .. I donβt get stuck in βintellectual ghettosβ ….
Oh! Great. Thank you for your condescension.
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September 26, 2012 at 7:35 AM
Some shooting locations revealed….Need 2 start work ..
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/bollywood/news/a407676/jab-tak-hai-jaan-london-film-locations-revealed.html
Folks like Sanjana, yokel, Amy, anya will be borrowed for shooting reccees/ rehearsals intermittently π
Further shootings after further promos…
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October 1, 2012 at 3:35 AM
Satyam,
Here’s JTHJ’s first song – Challa. Am already liking it:
[Added to post]
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October 1, 2012 at 4:30 AM
The song is lovely- but to call the video stale would be an enormous understatement.
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October 1, 2012 at 5:23 AM
Good song…hope the film is worthwhile as well. I’ve never felt so disinterested in BW- so much so that I’m hoping a YRF romantic with SRK in the lead with Katrina and Anushka will at least go some way toward restoring my faith in it.
The grotesque reality where the BO has become the alpha and omega of a film’s worth is really pitiful. Earlier at least there used to be some sort of distinction, now there isn’t even that pretension- it’s all about 100 cr/200 cr total or opening weekend or whatever. When someone like Salman Khan with his worthless flicks is the reigning deity, it’s time to question that religion!
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October 1, 2012 at 5:48 AM
The worthless getting success started long back. One cant decide what is worthy and what is not worthy. Entertainment is what matters. Cinema is mainly about entertainment. The appeal of the likes of Salman Khan and Rajnikant is due to the fan worship to some extent. And even non -fans try to watch the movie due to all that buzz. Its a win win situation. In this context Barfi’s success is heartwarming but then it is a well made movie with some novelty factor.
Are Yash Chopra’s movies anyway better than Salman’s movies? Thats why even Chopra camp took Salman in ETT.
The people who are making differences without worrying about BO have also an audience and their low budget films gives them a breather in this cutthroat 100 crore mania.
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October 1, 2012 at 7:17 AM
Indeed Sanjana, worthless films getting success isn’t a recent phenomenon. IMO what’s recent is that the industry doesn’t even put up a facade that quality matters, it’s all about crores these days- a sort of monomania.
Are Yash Chopra’s movies better than Salman’s? Well I’ll answer this question in a roundabout way. Chopra has at least an incentive to make JTHJ to the best of his abilities. With someone like Salman I get the feeling there is a negative incentive to make ‘good’ films- it’s just a one man circus. His stardom seems to hinge on doing ‘bad’ films- he gets celebrated because he somehow manages to make blockbusters out of what most people agree are ‘worthless’ films.
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October 1, 2012 at 6:28 AM
Nice Song, but it reminds of Rabbi’s old famous song ‘Bulla ki jaana main kaun”, same touch in singing and lyrics… rest picturisation is out of sync…
I expected something extraordinary from Rahman, may be they have released pure punjabi song to cater to NI audience and Sos factor…
waiting for rest of songs now π¦
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October 1, 2012 at 6:32 AM
Still, its far far better than ‘chinta ta’ and ‘dhinchak dhink chak’ songs even though later ones also has dedicated audience π
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October 1, 2012 at 6:34 AM
Like the song a lot. The video is par for the course. There is an unintended irony here. The whole film is being advertised as Yash Chopra’s last and so on but there is also a ‘bathed in nostalgia’ element here when it comes to SRK himself. In a strange sense it almost comes across as the swan song to his own iconic (genre) history. And this is ‘odd’ even in terms of sequencing. Because one saw for so long the SRK who attempted reinvention with Don and Ra One, the one Johar tried to unsuccessfully ‘upgrade’ in KANK and MNIK, the one Aditya Chopra tried to make more ‘rooted’ in RNBDJ. But here it’s back to square one. This kind of deal might have been better some years back inasmuch as it seems to turn the page on a history. But after doing that other stuff in between this ‘return to roots’ has a kind of ‘wistfulness’ about it.
Which incidentally is the ‘note’ SRK was hitting even in that long conversation with Yash Chopra where the latter looked less like the retiree than SRK! Why? Because as Yash Chopra was going through the highlights of his career it was hard not to detect that twinge of envy (or more than this) in SRK. As I’ve always said SRK for all his narcissism has nonetheless been a much smarter guy than his fans and he’s known how to read the tea-leaves. He knows that iconic as his peak period has been, the most so among his generation of stars, and even a bit beyond, he has not been a ‘defining’ the star the way he once might have thought ‘drunk’ in the success of those post-KKHH events and suchlike where he really ran award shows as a private party. He has not had the films and the lines and the moments that will echo through film history. He just doesn’t have a body of work that will mean very much. At best he might have a shelf of ‘classics’ that audiences revisit. Even this isn’t a guarantee. But this is not that bad a fate unless of course one had greater ambitions which SRK decidedly did. At this point it’s not about comparing oneself to the hallmarks of the historical record but also realizing that the game even against one’s peers has not necessarily been won, Aamir being the obvious specter here.
SRK knows all of this. For all his investment in selling the media story he has not been delusional. For any truly ambitious star SRK’s record wouldn’t be enough. Not even close. And SRK has been an ambitious man.
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October 1, 2012 at 6:54 AM
SRK seems self-parodic in this video — reminds me of the late (but not the VERY late) Dev Anand.
Is this Trafalgar Square?
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October 1, 2012 at 7:25 AM
See my response to Satyam. It only seems self-parodic to you because you never cared for the original incarnation, I suspect. For those who loved it, and have been wanting it back, this is perfect.
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October 1, 2012 at 8:48 AM
There is an expiry date on everything.. you have incidentally defined my ‘nostalgia’ point in different language!
By the way I enjoyed very many of the SRK movies in the 90s. I always say this and I mean it completely seriously but I have never come across a SRK fan on a blog nor do I think I will who has seen more SRK films more times in the theater than I have!
There is a sad but surprising for many truth about time.. you can’t go back… it will never be the 90s again. we are 17 years away from DDLJ, 14 from KKHH. Doesn’t mean you cannot still sell a package and jack up the numbers and so on. But to quote a certain Vijay in Agneepath the past won’t return if you start walking backwards! And again it seems to me you’re not disagreeing with my original comment very much. If this film is a museum for those who loved SRK’s iconic history well that’s precisely what I’m saying! Because by engaging in such an exercise SRK highlights a certain narrative that is not entirely intentional (I think), specially given his other reinvention efforts. It would be one thing if he had done this some years ago and then done Don and so on. This is happening a bit in reverse and it carries the sense of a larger failure of reinvention. What does the audience think? ‘yeah the Don, Ra One stuff didn’t cut it so he’s back to basics’! Even if the film is a big success even the lovers of the film won’t believe this charts a path forward for him. Which too has been my point for a number of years. It’s not the failures but the successes that have failed to mean very much.
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October 1, 2012 at 9:06 AM
The time for re-invention was the early 00βs. The perfect time. As the timing would have broken SRKβs image at the height of his popularity and when his competition was most vulnerable. Aamir was in a hiatus. Salman delivering duds. Hrithik after a promising start struggling with poor choices. SRK had the audiences at his mercy. The opportunity was there to stamp his authority.
Now itβs too late. In fact his best bet now is this type of terrain. Tried and tested, add a Katrina for a βnewβ factor and the back to basics at least guarantees a very good box office start. The reality is you only return to this terrain to get the box office results. There is nothing βcreativelyβ that can enhance SRKβs career here because he and his audiences have seen it all before. And the biggest thing is his competition is ahead of him and has been for a few years. Not catching up now, just trying to keep up.
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October 1, 2012 at 7:36 AM
Yes
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October 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM
it looks bizarre singing a hindi song to those foreigners……they must be thinking – what an asshole? :-=
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October 1, 2012 at 7:23 AM
You speak from your own narrow perspective, Satyam. All these thoughts about SRK trying to “reinvent” himself and how this film is a failure as it goes back to square one are only your personal opinions, not revealed truths. So there’s no point to stating your opinions as though they are verified facts.
I think this film is for those who fell in love with SRK during DDLJ and want to see that “magic” again. Hence the invoking of the iconic gestures and locales from those types of films (I’m including the later SRK romances with both YRF and Dharma which were very successful.) For such people, I think this song and picturization just fill the bill, even SRK’s acting does. People want to see Raj again, and he has given it to them.
SRK used to say in his older interviews that, since he’s not very good looking, he has to “act handsome and sexy.” I think he succeeded in that very well in the early 2000’s. Here he’s also “acting young”, and succeeding in that, too.
For me personally, I think it’s a pity that Yash and Aditya Chopra seem so afraid/unimaginative to break out of that DDLJ mold (much as Karan Johar insists on invoking KKHH each time). They’ve got a more than capable actor, with plenty of charisma, why not give him a different role that could become a new icon? So I blame the makers far more than SRK here.
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October 1, 2012 at 8:00 AM
As Yash said, SRK wont question their judgment. And the Chopras are too happy that a pliable superstar is there for them to indulge in that so called nostalgia.
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October 1, 2012 at 8:01 AM
“For me personally, I think itβs a pity that Yash and Aditya Chopra seem so afraid/unimaginative to break out of that DDLJ mold (much as Karan Johar insists on invoking KKHH each time). Theyβve got a more than capable actor, with plenty of charisma, why not give him a different role that could become a new icon? So I blame the makers far more than SRK here.”
Blame them both. SRK does not have to do the film if it does not fit in with becoming a “new icon” theory. The problem as an entertainer SRK has here is his obligation or his “need” to continue to do films for those who have supported him without looking at the scripts. It’s clearly a nice gesture and of course a “nice thing to do” but ultimately and creatively its quite foolish.
Clearly SRK owes some of his stardom to Chopra’s/Johar’s but they too have made an awful lot of moolah off SRK’s attachment. I guess its a win win for them but really with SRK’s clout in the past he could have scripted a much better path to success.
This constant “aping” of DDLJ is nauseating. The film is some 17 years old now! It’s magic was and is still visible at most weddings! To re-create, to create or invent something similar is impossible. History does not repeat itself that way. For one, its been tried by SRK himself. DTPH, KKHH, K3G, V-Z, Mohabbatein etc are incarnations of the same vice. But none matched DDLJ.
For all the attempts, by the same folk, maybe evolving SRK into something more real on screen, instead of the foolhardy fantasy of a 20 something year old is a better option. Aditya had a decent idea in half of RNBDJ. Or even someone like Aziz Mirza had a better attempt in Chalte Chalte where at least you had a deglamorised version of a marital split then the one you get in KANK.
Ranbir would have been better suited here. In fact would have made a lot more sense.
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October 1, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Not surprised Yash Chopra didn’t take a younger star. He’s had many strengths as a director but he’s for decades been behind the curve when it comes to understanding where a star is in his career. Put differently he’s still interested in somewhat off-peak stars (even if they are great stars) when the ‘market’ clearly signals in other directions. But I do agree that SRK could certainly have insisted on a strong script here and something more different on this terrain. Even if it’s hard to come up with a radically different script at least the visuals shouldn’t seem as ‘been there done that’ as they do here. In one sense though it’s not surprising. SRK has always claimed not to have been a fan of the love stories. He even said he never believed in DDLJ. He went along for the ride for the obvious box office reasons but I doubt he’s ever changed his mind about them. If you have overall less respect for a genre you’re not likely to think too much of distinctions within the genre. It’s like those who don’t like masala think all masala films are the same. The big missed opportunity on this score was VZ. They could have done something special with a cross-border love story.
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October 1, 2012 at 1:20 PM
“But I do agree that SRK could certainly have insisted on a strong script here and something more different on this terrain”
when it comes to YR – no star, not even big b demands for a script – only aamir does it. The rest feel so much grateful (indebted) to YR that they don’t bother about the script etc. Aamir stands apart here as he can not only ask the script but push the production by 1 yr (D3) without loosing the film….
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October 1, 2012 at 1:36 PM
SRK could certainly have insisted on the right script. He even has a profit-sharing arrangement with Yashraj these days. And it’s not just him. While Aamir is in a different league with all of this stuff Yashraj aren’t going to walk away from major stars everytime a script is asked for!
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October 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM
RajuJanak :
“when it comes to YR β no star, not even big b demands for a script β only aamir does it. The rest feel so much grateful (indebted) to YR that they donβt bother about the script etc. Aamir stands apart here as he can not only ask the script but push the production by 1 yr (D3) without loosing the filmβ¦.”
Ye Maara π
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October 1, 2012 at 9:54 PM
“Yashraj arenβt going to walk away from major stars everytime a script is asked for!” – so far they have done it with only aamir – lets c – whether they do it with anyone in future. At present, no other actor has balls to ask for a script from YR. π
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October 2, 2012 at 7:38 AM
actually I know for a fact about actors who’ve refused them films, forget asking for a script! Also remember that a lot of the other stars don’t ask for scripts in many other instances as well. The thing is Aamir’s position is what it is but this doesn’t mean that he’s even getting the cereal choices from Yashraj no one else is getting! It’s true that SRK has never refused Yashraj but my point is that he’d certainly get a script if he wanted one.
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October 2, 2012 at 7:51 AM
judging by his choices throughout his career, I don’t think he asks anyone for a script
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October 2, 2012 at 8:20 AM
I don’t know if you want to believe Mid-Day (I generally don’t), but this article claims Salman insisted on getting a bound script for ETT: http://www.mid-day.com/entertainment/2012/oct/021012-Salman-gets-new-security-for-YRF.htm
Anyway, what’s the big deal about not giving bound scripts? Isn’t that supposed to be the mark of professionalism, which YRF is aspiring for?
Also, as Satyam said, it’s a well known fact that both Aamir and Salman (to name two stars) have refused YRF’s film offers in the past.
Though I don’t care for their “candy floss” romances, I do appreciate the fact that YRF/Aditya have given a chance for many new and different directors — Kabir Khan, and the director of Ishaqezaade (sp?), to give two examples. I think they have a more diverse set of directors than Dharma at this point.
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October 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM
Trying to evolve the SRK loverboy fantasy into a more realistic and deglamourized idea of romance is a fantastic idea- I think that YRF should have made a more mature, gritty romance starring SRK and Vidya- combined with an A.R.R/ Gulzar soundtrack it would have been a big hit and would have allowed SRK to slip back into romantic hero mode without regressing in this manner.
I loved Chalte Chalte BTW- I think that SRK actually had better romantic chemistry with Rani than with Kajol/ Madhuri/ Preity.
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October 1, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Didn’t like Chalte Chalte at all. It wasn’t the worst film around but was an incredibly lame film (I hate it even more since I was forced to watch this on my bday). Loved the songs though esp Abhijeet’s title track (sad version). On that note the same director made a much better Raju Ban Gaya Gentleman with SRK and Juhi and also Yes Boss and PBDHH where he repeated the same pairing. I like Srk and Rani’s pairing but my fav is the one with Kajol followed by Madhuri
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October 1, 2012 at 12:29 PM
I think framed differently, Rani’s rather excellent at creating chemistry with her male co-stars and certainly more so than most other among her peers. Madhuri is an exception. She was simply the best at this.
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October 1, 2012 at 8:39 AM
“You speak from your own narrow perspective, Satyam. All these thoughts about SRK trying to βreinventβ himself and how this film is a failure as it goes back to square one are only your personal opinions, not revealed truths. So thereβs no point to stating your opinions as though they are verified facts.”
Don’t think I ever said otherwise! It’s always opinion isn’t it? But your insistence that my opinion not come across as ‘fact’ says more than you intend! But in any case it’s plainly my ‘reading’ of what SRK is about. No one is forced to sign onto it. And I do apologize for not being able to compete with the broader horizons of others..
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October 1, 2012 at 10:08 AM
These days there seems to be more criticism on blog commentary than films!
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October 2, 2012 at 8:13 AM
@Satyam — Your comments did come off to me as statements of fact rather than opinion, hence my reaction.
@GF — if one is having a dialog on a blog, how can that be done without “commenting” about others’ comments? Much as you two have done about mine now?
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October 2, 2012 at 8:14 AM
Sorry, I should have said “criticizing” rather than “commenting” on others’ comments.
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October 1, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Agree on the song. Lovely sound, but one hopes it’s not going to be one easy-listening number after another. The Rahman that experiments these days strikes me as the most interesting.
On the trailer I’m not surprised by what I’m seeing. This is exactly what SRK fans want, and he’s giving it to them. For the rest of us this is a bit grating for obvious reasons.
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October 2, 2012 at 5:16 PM
I’m not impressed by this song at all. But seeing as both you and Satyam seem to like it so much, and seeing as it’s Rahman + Gulzar, I’ll give it a few more listens. My initial impression finds it very mediocre.
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October 3, 2012 at 12:46 PM
That’s fair Salim. And to be honest I probably like it a lot less than Satyam, but I do like it. On the first few listens I found it to be a bit too reminiscent of any other YR soundtrack in recent years but Rahman has a tendency to grow on repeated listens.. My greater concern with this soundtrack is that it will be very homogeneous and disposable. Though Rahman is rarely if ever disposable in the way a lot of the typical YR composers are.
Incidentally while I find the song pleasant enough, the actual video is quite mediocre and might do more damage to one’s “hearing” the song than might have otherwise been the case with a more interesting visual.
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October 5, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Yep, the video is painful. Especially because I still love DDLJ and hate how this is very tragically and unsuccesfully attempting to recreate that.
I’ve liked all the soundtracks a lot in Yash Chopra’s movies (the ones he directed I mean), including the later ones by Shiv Hari and then also DTH and VZ, but then being a Lata bhakt, it is only natural that I would lap these up π
P.S The song is starting to grow on me a little, but I’m not sure if it’s in a good way (I mean even Sheila Ki Jawani was catchy!)
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October 3, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Re : Iβll give it a few more listens.
That’s the crux. One doesn’t give such listens to other MD and song writer.. If one hears a song again and again, one is bound to like it, common experience or Sometimes one goes by the Name, Oh hoo so and so and it has to be great…. On this blog here, we knew how other members will react and opine about stars, MD’s we like and dislike … Its not a rocket science but simple what they say pAttern thinking …
ps : Its nice song but Bulla ki jaana is far far better than challa.
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October 5, 2012 at 9:06 PM
Fair point – if this song was from anyone else I would probably label it as ‘trash’ and never listen to it again. But because a lot of us hold Rahman in such high esteem, we feel he does deserve not to be treated the same as everyone else, and that his music should at least be assessed with more effort than usual.
But I don’t agree that Rahman’s songs just grow on you because you listen to them repeatedly. Sheila and Munni were ‘catchy’ but I wouldn’t return to them now. Whereas once I’m hooked on a Rahman song, I value it more and more with time.
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October 1, 2012 at 8:11 AM
Seen the new trailer
this film is gonna be a smash hit
SRK looking fab
story looks awful but hey its YRF and people love SRK in this sort of setup esp. after rubbish like Ra1 & Don2 etc
This winter will definately be interesting now
Picturisation is fantastic with SRK looking v.fresh and young.
This will easily cross 100cr imo but will struggle on trending because the story looks weak
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October 1, 2012 at 9:17 AM
Last Yash Chopra film with SRK plus Katrina plus ARR plus Gulzar. This should actually be aiming to cross ETT/3I. So if it does not manage at least 170cr, it will be a terrible disappointment.
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October 1, 2012 at 9:38 AM
agreed.. but here’s a comment from yesterday:
[Just realized this but the Yash Chopra film has more competition than Son of Sardar. I donβt expect too much from the latter for reasons Iβve pointed out before but nonetheless itβs competition and itβs the remake of a superhit so it might surprise me but beyond this Aamirβs film releases just took weeks later. what this means is that Jab Tak Haiβ¦ has to start out huge, hit it out of the park essentially, and then sustain very well in week 2 at which point the competition in week 3 will hurt it but wonβt be a killer. In other words this will have to trend well. SRK needs an OSO deal here. Of course he also needs Son of Sardar to not do much. Once again the Rahman here is key. A big soundtrack could really drive up the numbers here and thereβs no reason to believe Rahman wonβt come up with one. But the film nonetheless has competition in more ways than one.]
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October 1, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Jo dikhta hain wohi biktaa hain π
Yrf has done eveything possible ki ‘Dekhe’ and now audience has to buy it …
yeh sab numbers ka khel hain… aur har ek numbers k peeche dhood raha hain…
If it was intelligent and mature than it wont be aspiring for 170+ crs and same sort of discussion happened over ‘Talaash’ also, where 100 cr was set to be target…
BW movies seem to be following ‘ Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle’ π
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October 1, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Fell in love with the song in its second hearing. Was a little apprehensive about what Rahman will do in Yashraj film. But my fears were unfounded. Love the song as much as I hate the poem. A younger guy like Ranbir or Ranveer would have added to the energy of the song. But Shahrukh is okay.
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October 1, 2012 at 10:03 AM
The picturization is pretty ordinary though. Someone like Homi Adjania or Anurag Kashyap could have done wonders with it.
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October 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Well, the song seals it. I officially have no interest in this movie now.
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October 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM
What about unofficially π ???
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October 1, 2012 at 1:28 PM
Challa full song:
Uploaded by YRF
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October 1, 2012 at 1:38 PM
thanks! Have heard it a couple of times already!
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October 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM
Oye hoi, AR likes the Traveling Wilburys? That bit at the start sounds ‘inspired’ from ‘Tweeter and the Monkey Man’!
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October 1, 2012 at 3:39 PM
Not just the start,,the whole song has the same underlying melody..Wow.. Inspiration at its best π
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October 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM
does anyone know when the soundtrack is supposed to release?
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October 1, 2012 at 5:06 PM
Think music releases second week of oct
Just checked the song once—this is likely to ‘grow’ with time and with the movie viewing…
Vocals, lyrics n music are expectedly good ..
The picturisation could have been much better –but there again, I think, the design is to keep it simple n accessible.
Apparently some (esp old timers) may find the jump cuts and over eager editing too gimmicky–this does it away and keeps it basal.
Also the premise is that nostalgia, srk and the song will be enuf.
Ps: srk does seem to be in his third gear here…
The problem isn’t his age etc but confidence and hunger. But knowing him– he will make up in crucial junctures here
Ps2:
All this talk about career advice to srk seems interesting. And those stars who spent majority of their careers trying to catch up srk and have finally attained ‘parity’ after couple of decades (!) –suddenly are his role models hahah
One may or may not like srk–and I’m not exactly a fan but as an observer–there hasn’t really a bigger success since bachchan (barring maybe aamir with some disclaimers!)
Even on an anti srk forum like this–every random link on his film generates more comments (even if negative) than the rest of threads (including the rest of khans and non khans put together).
Was busy –just checked this song now-but within a few hours –this has generated enuf frenzy…
THAT also says something π
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October 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM
First Thoughts on Challa β Jab Tak Hai Jaan
http://networkedblogs.com/CT0Hf
First of all, the voice is just so not right. Rabbi is a brilliant singer, but is just not right for SRK. You know who suits well for SRK β Udit, Sonu, Abhijeet, Sanu, Shankar, even Shafqat. But NOT Rabbi. Also, the song sounds like a derivative from the singerβs own Bulla Ki Jaana. It probably has to do with Rabbiβs instantly recognizable voice, and this does all the harm.
Secondly, SRK is getting old, and throughout the video, he does seem out of his age, to be playing a busker, (fake) strumming his guitar around Trafalgar Square and South Bank. I just didnβt buy it. As much he looks aged, he seems like he overdosed on Prozac. Heβs too jubilant to be roaming around a busy Trafalgar Square, Canary Wharf, train stations across London and what not! Oh, and heβs happy washing cars, passing fish baskets to fish mongers and earning his βmehnat ki kamaiβ. Is that the message behind the song?
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October 1, 2012 at 10:44 PM
“Secondly, SRK is getting old, and throughout the video, he does seem out of his age, ”
This applies to all 3 khans, Devgan and Akshay. None of them look convincing anymore in any bwood formulaic song-dance routine. Yet they continue to get the biggest projects and prance around with ever younger heroines. Yeh Bwood ka dastoor hai. A hero does not wither until he reaches 50 at the least.
When all these 5 guys hit 50 almost simultaneously, apart from Hrithik and Ranbir, there really wont be anyone else to shoulder the burden which will be left behind.
No wonder the likes of Ranveer and Shahid are sitting smug, waiting for these oldies to become goldies. After which they can get to ride the 15-20 yr boom wave until they themselves turn 50.
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October 1, 2012 at 10:56 PM
Its akin to the 87-93 period when Amitabh, Dharam, Jeetu, Shatru, Shashi, Vinod, Mithun, Rishi et al hung up their hero-boots in quick succession. Only, at that time, there were already 3 established stars in Sunny/Anil/Sanju and 5-6 budding stars in the Khans/Akshay/Ajay/Sunil etc. Somehow, this time around, bwood may have a dearth of male heroes.
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October 1, 2012 at 11:32 PM
It will be a good thing if BW faces dearth of male heroes. It will put an end to 100 crore nonsense and heroines and scripts will get their due. But then these oldies wont give up so easily or those dependent on them.
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October 2, 2012 at 9:32 AM
I love the song.. have heard it about 7-8 times since yesterday..
I do share GF’s concern that this might be a series of relatively breezy numbers but it’s hard to get too adventurous with Yashraj (!) and secondly even Rahman’s breezy is way ahead of everyone else. In any case I find this song addictive.
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October 1, 2012 at 10:55 PM
AA: I never thought this was an anti-SRK forum. Why do you say so? In fact I never felt this is an anti-anyone forum. I am sure if tomorrow SRK does something worthwhile, let’s say a kind of film that gets a rating above 8 on IMDB, I am sure you will read a lot of positive comments about it. I think what most people in this forum share is a llve for good cinema, though, quite naturally, each has his or her own notion about what is good cinema. Honestly, I don’t see anyone coming here to rant against any actor for the sake of it.
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October 2, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Utkal uncle– u r talking to the convenor of the anti Srk-ism..
Lately I’ve realised though that extreme non-objective derision and antagonism isn’t worth it — in life π
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October 2, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Sanjana, talking of heroines coming to their own, two films that are giving me good vibrations : English Vinglish and Aiyyaa
Firstly because they seem to be created around genuine ideas at the core rather than films concocted to conquer the box office. The director, in each case, is making the film because he or she has story to tell.
Second, they have two very talented actresses playing two real characters rather than predictable stereotypes ( a la Heroine in Kareena Kapoor) It is a very wise decision, especially for Sridevi, who is showing her acting chops rather than trying to reprise her old charisma like Madhuri tried in Aaja Nachle. Precisely why Iliked Vidya so much in The Dirty Pictureβnot to foget both rani and Vidya in No One Killed Jessica.
Thirdly, both these films seem to have been written with a lot of detailing, with attention to the narrative, to the supporting characters, to the writing, composition and placement of songs.
Fourth, a kind of personal reason, they both have music by Amit Trivedi.
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Looking forward to both of them.
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October 2, 2012 at 12:49 AM
I agree. Hope they succeed.
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October 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM
This is slightly OT, but since we’re talking of heroine centric movies, one thing I’ve wanted to say ever since “Heroine” released is: Why are the stakes so much higher for “heroine centric” films in terms of demanding that they have no male lead star of note? In other words, why must Kareena carry the entire film on her own without any salable heroes and be expected to make a 100cr film to prove her worth at the box office? For all the talk of “flowerpot” roles for heroines, even in the “male dominated” films they do contribute substantially. Two recent films of Salman’s — since he’s the one accused most of giving no chance to heroines — both show the importance of having the right heroine. In both Bodyguard and ETT, the presence of a popular (box office wise) heroine helped increase the film’s overall box office collections. Even while everyone is going gaga over Barfi cracking 100 cr, why forget that it had a very popular and salable heroine in Priyanka, even if Ileana is new to Bollywood? Similarly, would either Ra.One or Don 2 have done as well as they did without Kareena and Priyanka? You can probably make a case that the heroine (or rather, lead female actress, since the role was hardly that of a “heroine” in the traditional sense) in 3 Idiots was not that important, and the film would have done just as well with any other actress in the role, though even here I would maintain that Kareena brought some audience in.
This seems to me to be a new trend. After all, isn’t “Seeta aur Geeta” considered to be a heroine-centric film, and an iconic one at that? And yet it had two of the biggest male stars of the time as co-stars. That only added to the film as a whole, without taking away from Hema Malini’s importance to the film. Why are today’s heroines being handicapped in a major way by the demand that they have no recognizable or salable heroes in their films? If such a demand is made, the collections of such films cannot then be compared with those of hero-centric films with salable heroines to dismiss the former as unworkable. The true comparison should be to films with a focus on the heroine, but also with strong heroes present, or else to films with heroes but no heroines at all. I’d like to see how well those work at the box office!
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October 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM
A thought provoking comment. Lots of valid points.
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October 2, 2012 at 1:46 PM
” If such a demand is made, the collections of such films cannot then be compared with those of hero-centric films with salable heroines to dismiss the former as unworkable. The true comparison should be to films with a focus on the heroine, ”
The comparison is being made with Kahaani and DP, and not with male-centric 100cr grossers. IMO, no producer in bwood would actually believe that a heroine-centric project could even cross 50crs, all the production dynamics are geared based on that outcome. But it seems Bhandarkar overspent on Heroine and is now repenting. Kahaani and DP certainly did not have successful male co-stars. Maybe Hashmi pulled in some in DP. But Kahaani was a total Vidya show all the way. Kareena with Heroine and Priyanka with SKM could not even crack 40crs, where Vidya had 2 70cr grossers.
When it comes to commercial success, undoubtedly, Hema/Sridevi/Madhuri were in a totally different league. None of the present heroines have achieved the ROI which those 3 did. They were real audience pullers. The present gen has a long way to go to match those results.
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October 3, 2012 at 5:35 AM
Important thing imo:
Vidya is like aamir in reading scripts imo, she knows what will work. also she worked with directors who are yet to make their mark (milan lutharia had only one hit OUtTIM )
While Kareena and Priyanka fail to share the same script reading.
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October 3, 2012 at 5:45 AM
Agree Rooney–
But tweaked around–one can also say that vidya NEEDS that script sense more than pc , Kareena
Could vidya have done roles like don2, don, ap, or Kareenas crapfest roles.
Similarly as much as I love n admire aamir and his famed script sense, even he has some ‘reasons’ he does v v few films and is v careful with his scripts.
Ie what would aamir have done with bodyguard, reddy, even ETT, forget stuff like raavan …
So beneath all these ‘choices’, sometimes there are ‘compulsions’ as well (though this does not mean to take away for their brilliant choices)
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October 2, 2012 at 1:31 PM
Utkal dada, I wonder if the movies give good vibrations to Sridevi and Rani as well. They may surely need some.
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October 2, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Haha
Ya surely they need some ‘vibrations’
Saw some aiyyah stills– is rani playing a nymph there ?
One still was grotesque –from black to this …
Btw
What the hell is aditya chopra doing with Rani–curious … Lol
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October 2, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Been v busy but nice to see sm coming back to form —
Some nice points there gal…
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October 2, 2012 at 2:56 PM
Just heard the song properly in its entirety for the first time —
It’s actually addictive n grows
Anyhow, after some ‘gruelling’ (audition/acting sessions) –am giving pass marx to the likes of yokel, Anya and Amy as well–they will soon get their scenes /songs after this solo song … π
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October 2, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Some inside gossip folks–
We all know that Katrina Kaif, Anushka Sharma and Shahrukh Khan are working together in Yash Chopra’s Jab Tak hai Jaan. But Anushka Sharma is very upset that Yash Raj Films did not actively involve her in the promotions of the film. When Katrina Kaif came to know about this she called Anushka Sharma at 3 am.
According to Bollywood Life, “Katrina Kaif didn’t want to be portrayed as the villain! So Katrina decided to pick up the phone and set the record straight. Anushka Sharma who sleeps quite early at night, was shocked to hear her phone ring at an odd hour. She was even more stunned when she saw it was Katrina on the line. Kat asked Anushka if she was upset with her.”
“She also cleared the air, saying that she hadn’t meddled in the promotional and marketing strategy for the film.Β AnushkaΒ was quite receptive and heard Kat out. The discussion went on and on, and the two girls spoke for close to two hours. Finally, the two decided not to pay any attention to all the idle talk and stories about their rivalry.”
βOn the flip side, Kareena Kapoorβs Heroine that was made for approximately ` 24 cr with an additional P & A cost hasnβt given its investors any reason to rejoice.β
Hmm I hope Kareena bids adieu to films now.
Itβs time for Kareena to hang her boots !
Anyhowβthe link
Why katrina called anushka at 3am?
http://entertainment.oneindia.in/bollywood/gupshup/2012/jab-tak-hai-jaan-katrina-called-anushka-sharma-3-am-099579.html
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October 3, 2012 at 2:29 AM
This story has been denied by Anushka more than a week ago.
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October 3, 2012 at 4:28 AM
“This story has been denied by Anushka more than a week ago.”
@sm -these ‘ denials’ are normal . But I was there when these calls happened at 3 am!! Haha
For that inside info– one needs to join our spoof …
Sanjana— what say assist dir— should we take sm also? π
To me– she seems shy n hesitant—one needs to be open n outgoing for these roles
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October 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Oh my god–
some one sent me this line–gross !!
This line deserves a full film
“The hardest part about walking away from you is knowing that you won’t run after me.” π
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October 3, 2012 at 6:23 AM
@sanjana (asstt director)–your ‘silence’ at the casting of sm & others will be taken as –u want to do those roles yourselves π
Anyhow–time to shoot the first song spoof –let’s hit the streets and become streetsideyokels ….
Since I’m doing the acting honours, sanjana –u have to wield the camera here …
Incidentally the rest of the heroines are ‘living their roles’ to lend authenticity & insight –and hence, no wonder–not able to blog—
now THATS what we call ‘dedication’ π
So lets start the fun …
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October 3, 2012 at 6:43 AM
@AA
there was no reply button available hence here:
Well Aamir has done Raja Hindustani π (it was hit movie if my memory i correct)
Well Aamir has done Dil, fanaa etc so i wont buy the arguement he cant do Body guard ETT etc… Btw those film which u say are around salman’s image. Every Actor has his image where he works aamir has none, he has done Street Romeo, Ghulam, Taxi Driver, to subtle and highly intelligent movie.
I wanted to enter the discussion about after Big B there is SRK, but didnt as i find such discussion cliched and too regular, but just to drop my words i will say as person of this generation Aamir belongs to class of his own, in which i did say Big B will fail to enter and belong, forget SRK. ( one can elaborate with precedents and examples, but i like to keep it precise, and i hope u get where i am coming from )
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Vidya (after all it was abt her)
Could Vidya have done Don or Don 2 ? what was there to be done? both are movies with disaster script, and i dont even find roma character enchanting π as i will tell u seriously vidya wouldnt have done Don 2 (as PC the dumb actor) accepted a role to love the guy and not killed Don, who killed his own brother in first part. Without any remorse.. and ulta she falls for him and has sympathy for him!!
Agneepath : havent seen cant comment.
Kareena’s crapfest : I dont know which are u speaking of.
But i will conclude every actor has some selling point or image thing. Whether that is good or bad, that is the point, If doing a role by priyanka where by one has sympathy for killer of ones own honest brother (patriot police cop that was his brother) well than indeed Vidya cant do that role my friend π
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October 3, 2012 at 7:19 AM
Ha rooney–I have been making the exact points that u outline (for ages) –But it’s more about the ‘scratch the surface’ deal here–so lets take these points one by one–
Firstly , im not anti aamir or anti vidya at all but this is an analytical dissection of the routes to their successes
Also Aamirs success has been much more in magnitude to vidyas so not entirely comparable!
I have myself loved n admired Aamirs range and choices & agree that even bachchan now doesn’t compare in those respects.
Same for vidya ESP in kahaani, dp etc
But the point was different ( & wasn’t to belittle their achievements)-
Both of these (more so vidya ) haven’t been the ‘natural successes’!
aamir has (to his credit) charted ( or had to take) an independent route–not the way folks like Salman has been with his easy effortless appeal (with his fans like sm) forget srk who defined an era (like it or not during his ddlj/kjo days)!
There are some ‘rules/fine print’ in aamirs modus operandi–he does v few films,takes ages to do them, works on the script hard n tight –which in itself is creditable but a ‘different’ somewhat painstaking process. One can keep arguing the egg n chicken argument here –but an aamir doing number /type of films like askhay /Salman would have been quite different –yes-this ‘discretion’ should not be taken against aamir though…
As for vidya —
“what was there to be done?” It’s easy to say that but for a conventional heroine–don’t folks expect em to do a Sheila, Chickni chameli, deepika cocktail job, halkat etc ? Yes –they love it !
(whether one denies or not) -and vidya simply can’t really crack that –though it shouldn’t be the be-all of someone’s capability but unfortunately is an Imp facet of the job requirement
-and this in addition to the requirement for good emoting, histrionics etc–that’s why madhuri was the last such female star ..
So vidyas has been a ‘special’ case wherein certain ‘clauses’ have need removed –or let’s say, she has forced (to her credit) those clauses to be taken off to enable and expedite her success.
To add, aamlrs success has obviously been more ‘complete’ and ‘wholesome’ than vidyas –& though I myself admire and celebrate their successes, the ‘uniqueness’ and the ‘independent path’ both had to chart (more so vidya) does need to be kept in mind when comparing in a ‘like for like’ scenario π
Ps: also if barfi has made 100 crores with a deaf mute hero, an autistic heroine–is talaash more ‘auteuristic’ than that???
—why the hell were aamir fans scared of even 80-90 crores target for talash for their script adept star coming after a three years break with two established heroines (one in a lapworthy prostitute role)& the other ‘drowning with a kid’ aimed at the tear ducts in a moustachioed cop thriller film ????
Why? The answer is Aamirs films tagline
“The answer lies within!!” π
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October 3, 2012 at 8:09 AM
sorry cant go in details (havent read ur stuff) would do so in later… dont have stomach for epic debates sorry!
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October 3, 2012 at 8:42 AM
btw did Barfii cross 100 cr? sorry wasnt aware of it, that’s incredible for Ranbir… and ya i can get ur logic, its sound, if barfi can why cant talash.
Agree there.
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October 3, 2012 at 12:59 PM
^^ good to see u agree now and change your position now Rooney!
It takes maturity to acknowledge it
Hope some others also do that ..
Also –if barfi with deaf n mutes has done 100, what should a cop thriller with prostitute and drowning kid do ?!
And with the apparent ‘biggest star’
That’s why I had said 175 or atleast 150..
So now things have finally become clear to those who were either defensive or insecure !!
π
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October 3, 2012 at 1:22 PM
Barfi success sealed debate in your favour. π
If people still raise genre question then what genre barfi Is???
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October 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Hahaha bliss —
The verdict was given and sealed earlier also .
As per barfi genre -you are right !
Barfi genre /style / lead actors disability is far less accessible than talaash
It’s only that now barfi 100 crores has not left some with a leg to stand on!!
(won’t use the ‘slap on the face’ analogy of utkal uncle since that is unpleasant)
There have been debates and debates
But in not many debates (if any) has the verify been so clear and the defeated so silent and nakedly exposed
Hahahahaha–this will become a pathbreaking seminal case called erstwhile the ”talaash debate’
Spin masters and insecure/over defensive /agendic ‘fans’ will think twice before indulging in their tactics
Hip hip hurray π
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October 3, 2012 at 11:29 PM
Agreeing on the logic is different from agreeing on the debate. π
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October 4, 2012 at 2:51 AM
Haha there’s nothing left to agree or disagree anymore lol
The naked truth is out
ETT 200 & barfi/talaash debates will be pathbreaking here from now on–u openly admit or not lol
Thats why satyam is still ‘hiding’ –cum out satyam –we have got nice n trendy clothes for u
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October 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM
As an Aamir fan, would like to comment on Ranbir. I think he’s mixing the best of SRK-Aamir by doing 2 films a year and ensuring like Aamir that they are top quality films . When the Khans hang up their boots he’s in pole position to take over. He’s getting the awards ala SRK and the BO success is happening, slowly but surely.
Hrithik is the biggest loser here imo because he also took the Aamir route but restricted himself to 1 film a year – not enough in your early years, especially if they are not mainstream. (Kites/Guzaarish).
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October 4, 2012 at 12:30 AM
Hritik largely depended on his father to push him while ranbeer was and is quite independent. Hrithik is naive while ranbeer is streetsmart. Hrithik is director driven while ranbeer can innovate.
Aamir combines Hrithik’s sincerity with his own marketing abilities.
Hritik is too good for BW while ranbeer just is made for it. Aamir is in a different league with his passion spanning beyond acting.
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October 4, 2012 at 2:44 AM
An astute and insightful comment Sanjana–
Agree mostly
Good that After Becoming my assist director, u are learning a lot hahaha
Btw let’s continue with shooting my solo song -u hold the camera–btw noted that u can do the heroine job also if/when required π
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October 3, 2012 at 7:44 AM
Not v long ago–many an aamir fans (no need to name em) underwent all forms of denials, deftness mechanisms, even ‘convulsions’ at the thought of a 100 crores target for talaash ??
Needless to say —I stuck to 175, minimum 150 for a decent success –can be seen in the archives but think Oldgold (streetsideyokel) and even some genuine aamir fans like idea, prateek admitted that 100 was too low a target!!
So what do the 80-90 crore target films say now–
Revise the target?
Admit they were being over defensive for their star?
Are they insecure fans?
Or let’s say –are they even genuine fans of aamir Khan–worth the salt –equating the poor guy to Raaz 3 and now below ranbir !!
Won’t say it’s a ‘slap on their faces’ ( as utkal uncle loves to say in each post lol) but
This surely is a big day of soul searching for them—
Have noticed that the blog has been quiet n dead for a few days–time for some mischief
As mentioned above–
‘The answers lie within’ –BUT we now want them !!! π
Gimme a high 5 street yokel (if u r thru living your JTHJ role lol)
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October 3, 2012 at 8:09 AM
Both Rooney and AA are right in their own way.
Aamir’s fans are scared? Thats news. When ETT, BG have become blockbusters defining latest audience preferences, Aamir’s fans maybe somewhat nervous. But there is this thing. If Kahaani and Barfi and even OMG gets such mega receptions, an Aamir’s film has nothing to fear.
As for easy success of SRK and Salman, it is more to do with audience preferences than any intrinsic worth of those actors.
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October 3, 2012 at 8:36 AM
“Aamirβs fans are scared? Thats news”
Yes that was news to me as well..
Maybe u weren’t around Sanjana, but down aamir fans insisted that giving talaash a target of over 80 crores is not fair given genre
I insisted 15o-175 amongst some others-u need to refer to talaash thread if interested in the background !
Well, barfi with an even more unconventional vibe, disabled stars and lesser star–has crossed 100 !!
This is not to belittle those fans –just points to their over defensiveness, insecurity and lack of conviction in their own star and position!
@ rooney –hahaha its only fitting that u r not for any more ‘debate’
The debate and verdict was sealed sometime back–it’s just the confirmation and proof noW tricking in π
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October 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM
IMO, i still have doubt for thriller’s potential. Though i get ur logic, one needs to go by history of thrillers and their precedent.
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October 3, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Even after barfis box office >100 with ranbir -u e worried with aamir thriller with rani/kareena ??
C’mon man –u may revise your target now ? π
Don’t worry –these things happen to all of us ..
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October 3, 2012 at 11:13 AM
@AA
normally i dont have targets, not a boxoffice person. I demand a good movie, simple.
Worrying would kiddish word, rather i will say it would be surprising and staggering if a thriller/suspense did so. But as i said i know where u are coming from.
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October 3, 2012 at 9:51 AM
Nice to listen & watch JTHJ song promo “Challa ki labh da phire..
Challa ki labh da phire..” by Rabbi , Truly Awesome.
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October 5, 2012 at 9:45 AM
Jab Tak Hai Jaan: Is ‘Challa’ song inspired from ‘Save Tonight’?
Although world renowned musician and singer AR Rahman is known for his original composition, but this time his originality is under a cloud.
Swedish musician Eagle-Eye Cherry’s popular song, ‘Save Tonight’ from his album ‘Desireless’ is identical to Rahman’s ‘Challa’ song from his latest movie Jab Tak Hai Jaan, especially the opening notes of guitar.
‘Save Tonight’ is one of the best known songs of Cherry and has gained popularity worldwide. The song is considered Cherry’s signature song.
On the other hand, ‘Challa’ song is sung by sufi singer Rabbi Shergill, who has first time lent his voice to Shah Rukh Khan for this Yash Chopra’s film. Though Rabbi has sung the song in his own style yet his pitch and tone will also remind you of Cherry’s singing.
Listen to Eagle-Eye Cherry’s song ‘Save Tonight’ I Listen to Jab Tak Hai Jaan’s song ‘Challa’
AR Rahman and Gulzar have teamed up for this Yash Chopra’s last directorial. The song ‘Challa’ has already become a viral on the YouTube like the movie’s trailer.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan is scheduled to release this Diwali on 13th November, 2012.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Jab-Tak-Hai-Jaan-Is-Challa-song-inspired-from-Save-Tonight/articleshow/16682832.cms
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October 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM
Whatever! There seems to be a new source for his ‘inspiration’ every other day!
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October 6, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Who should don the white sari in a trademark song–Kat or anushka?
Ok, I need to now ‘lighten’ the mood between Amy n sanjana…
Cheer up sanjana–what’s your take between Kat n anushka & sari!
As the assist director, u have a say …
Then we will see who will— in the spoof …..
Link—
Beautiful actresses flaunting chiffon saris have always been synonymous with veteran filmmaker Yash Chopra’s projects. But with two leading ladies – Katrina Kaif and Anushka Sharma – in his new directorial venture, the big question is, who will drape the six-yard wonder?
In the past, the evergreen Rekha adorned a white sari during a scene in Mr Chopra’s 1981 film Silsila, while Sridevi wore it in Chandni.
A source from the set of Yash Chopra’s yet untitled, Shah Rukh Khan-starrer reveals that the filmmaker has not decided as of now as to who will wear the popular attire – Katrina Kaif or Anushka Sharma.
However, both the ladies, are excited for it. If the reports are to be believed, Katrina Kaif plays Shah Rukh’s ladylove, while Anushka’s character is more of a tomboy in the film.
“Katrina will be seen wearing a lot of saris in the film. But that doesn’t mean that Anushka wouldn’t,” said a source close to the venture.
“One of them will surely get to wear the white sari. But right now it is undecided,” added the source.
The movie, set to release on November 13, has so far been shot in London, Ladakh and Kashmir.
http://www.samachar.com/Katrina-or-Anushka-who-will-wear-the-Yash-Raj-white-chiffon-sari-mjgjKieeifa.html
Ps: Oldgold /yokel has been missing from the shoot lately –she may lose sme key scenes /songs π
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October 6, 2012 at 12:36 PM
[off-topic] Though I am expecting a magical flute piece in atleast one of the songs of Jab Tak Hai Jaan
The Magic Flute – A.R.Rahman – 17 Flute pieces from AR’s background scores
http://www.backgroundscore.com/2012/10/the-magic-flute-arrahman-quiz.html
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October 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM
The songs are out. And as one would have expected they are good but I though lyrics were somewhat disappointing on first few listenings.
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October 9, 2012 at 8:51 AM
[added to post]
the new song saans
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October 9, 2012 at 9:04 AM
http://almostareview.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/jthj/
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October 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM
Very Mediocre Song π¦
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October 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM
And the picturization is terrible. Katrina looks awkward and all I can focus on are the big noses in the closeups.
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October 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM
yes will agree the video is the worst thing here. Katrina just doesn’t work in this kind of setup at all. leaving this aside they’ve made London look a lot more ‘precious’ than even in their peak films with SRK. There it was more of a consumerist jaunt. Here it the Yash Chopra who normally makes a fetish out of Switzerland doing the same with London.
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October 9, 2012 at 9:33 AM
This is a much more traditional sort of song. Nothing special here. But I think the lyrics are pretty bad, the whole ‘saans’ refrain.
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October 9, 2012 at 9:45 AM
What’s traditional about it, satyam? More like repetitious.
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October 9, 2012 at 10:04 AM
many ‘traditional’ songs are like that. Even sometimes ‘good’ ones follow a very symmetric pattern largely subordinating the music to the lyrics. But even if one doesn’t want to go back that far consider the more or less nursery jingles that most of the Yashraj/Johar films have had, in the 90s and beyond (certainly on the SRK soundtracks).
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October 9, 2012 at 10:06 AM
Yes, a nursery jingle it is π
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October 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM
the SRK base shouldn’t have a problem then..!
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October 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM
No, this yokel has no problems, but I’m worried about all you intelligent folks and your ARR π
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October 9, 2012 at 9:43 AM
Run of the mill – everything – song, picturization, clothes, acting.
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October 9, 2012 at 10:02 AM
Katrina runs, runs out of breath, sings about Saans. Challa is the best of the songs , others not so much.
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October 9, 2012 at 10:15 AM
Good song, but Mohit Chauhan’s voice doesnt suit SRK
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October 9, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Sonu would have been better choice.
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October 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Man Rahman really phoned that one in…
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October 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Based on the early reactions to the album and the YRF factor, I was expecting a dud. But the soundtrack is quite good. My picks are Jiya Re, Challa, and Heer.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Rahman hardly disappoints to the extent of becoming a “typical” musical composer. I’m sure there will be some decent stuff here even if the visuals will not do it justice!
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October 9, 2012 at 11:15 AM
yes I very much expect a good or better soundtrack here. Liked the first song a lot, don’t mind this one either even if it’s hardly stirring by Rahman’s standards.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:19 AM
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October 9, 2012 at 11:29 AM
I liked the first song a lot but having heard snippets of the other four songs I must say I am underwhelmed. I never judge Rahman too early so I will obviously wait to hear this a few times on CD but it isn’t quite promising as much as I expected at this point and not least because one suspects he’s been asked by Yashraj to stay ‘traditional’ in certain ways. Never a good idea to do this when you have Rahman on board. You can’t trade on his strengths this way. Still I’ll listen to it properly but I liked Rockstar a lot recently and I’d be surprised if this came up to that level. And again I think the songs don’t offer enough ‘surprises’ but also aren’t complete winners on that traditional terrain the way the Ghajini song (Guzaarish) was (in fact that whole soundtrack is rather underrated) and in a different way the Challa song here is. To be clear I was never anticipating a Ratnam or Mehra kind of very interesting soundtrack here but an excellent one for the terrain and can’t say I’ve heard that so far.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:32 AM
It’s not a Rockstar at all, not even close. But within the given template, ARR has tried to do something of his own here.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Agreed.But do listen to the instrumental track here. Actually the Rahman soundtrack I am really looking forward to is Raanjhana (Sonam and Dhanush starrer directed by the Tanu Weds Manu guy) which arrives next year- this one is set in Benaras so expect some folksy tunes here which are one of Rahman’s major strengths. Btw how did u find The Master. Also did u finally get around to watching GoW? And any plans to check out Eega. I liked it a lot (saw it with subs).The Hindi version releases day after tomorrow
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October 9, 2012 at 11:53 AM
Eaga is unique. And the villain scores.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:54 AM
On a related note, Ratnam-ARR combo’s Kadhal is slated for release later this month.
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October 9, 2012 at 12:13 PM
now that should be an exceptional soundtrack.. can’t wait.. to put it lightly!
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October 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM
@ Satyam:
What does Kadhal mean in Tamil? I am guessing LOVE?? Looks like a very jaded title…maybe not as cliched and horrific as JAB TAK HAIN JAAN sounds in the Hindi milieu..
is Ratnam just producing it or directing? Any idea about the star-cast? And the problem is I think, in the US (different for DC area i hope) non-Hindi films are not released with sub-titles..so for poor non-Tamilian folks like us…have to wait for pira!@# copies with poor, in-house subtitles!
http://www.prakhyat.com/2012/02/mani-ratnams-kadhal-first-look_08.html
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October 10, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Kadhal is love but his film is actually titled Kadal which is ‘sea’. It’s a coastal love story. It stars Karthik’s son and Radha’s daughter.
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October 10, 2012 at 11:58 AM
It will be released with subs in at least some of the theaters. Big Cinemas for example often have them. I’ve seen a few in the US with subs.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:02 PM
Definitely making a trip for this one if it’s not playing in NYC…
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October 9, 2012 at 10:47 PM
and arr continues his spate of underwhelming tracks. this will be one of those scores people will be tricked into thinking it is better than it is due to marketing hype but nobody will care about 6 months from now. the chopras have managed to pull down arr to their own mediocre level. but can’t blame them either. arr hasn’t been doing anything interesting for a while now.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:30 PM
True and not true. They booked Rehman when he was at his creative low. For the YRF kind of movies Jatin Lalit, vishal Bharadwaj, Udit Narayan or Sonu Nigam suit. YRF and ARR are a mismatch. Can anyone inagine DDLJ without those Jatin Lalit songs or DTPH without Uttam Singh’s numbers?
If you want novelty go for ARR. If you want syrupy melody dont.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Not a fan of Ghajini, but that one track Kaise mujey is better than all the songs here.
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October 9, 2012 at 11:49 AM
yes that was a wonderful track. But also Behka was reminiscent of some of Rahman’s Tamil stuff from the 90s. The more routine dance numbers with the two female leads were par for the course for Rahman but still very energetic and enjoyable. Here the same ‘Northern’ genre stuff doesn’t do much. And it’s not about using a very rich soundtrack (even if it’s not one of my favorites) like Taal as the model. I’d say so far it sounds significantly inferior to Pukar or Thakshak.
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October 9, 2012 at 12:00 PM
The new Mani Ratnam movie’s Rahman album might be out this month . Should be 2 contrasting albums in a month from Rahman
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October 9, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Hmmm havent heard the music yet
Usually hear out Rahman stuff properly –will do later …(Preferably with a guitar lol) & opine …
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October 9, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Ok heard the song saaans for the first time briefly–will take a few listens to register –maybe later
@Sanjana ( assistant director)–after that superb hilarious post of yours–u have to suggest who to take for katrinas job in this song in the spoof…don’t worry–there will be a song /scenes for everyone in the upcoming scenes
nominees for this song — anya,Oldgold, Amy
Staying quiet is not an option–it will mean u want to do it yourselves π
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October 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM
@ sanjana –we are waiting for your choice
Or else will have to take things in my own hands…lol
Ps: like katrinas ‘dress’ here & she runs quite fast,,,
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October 9, 2012 at 10:27 PM
AA for you…….
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October 10, 2012 at 1:01 AM
is this the title track?
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October 10, 2012 at 1:04 AM
“it isnβt quite promising as much as I expected at this point and not least because one suspects heβs been asked by Yashraj to stay βtraditionalβ in certain ways. Never a good idea to do this when you have Rahman on board.”
once again agree with Satyam bhai. i’ll be much more harsh though. this is a crap soundtrack overall. he should’ve went with Pritam or someone who fit the YashRaj style of music. Rahman and YashRaj don’t mesh together as stated above by other members of this blog.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:17 AM
IMO recent Rahmans soundtracks (hindi only) that are far superior:
1. Rockstar
2. Yuvvraaj
3. Raavan
4. Blue
5. Delhi-6
6. Ghajini
7. JTYJN
8. J-A
9. Guru
10. RDB
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October 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Yup, every single one of those is better, many are excellent
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October 10, 2012 at 1:15 AM
With Rahman it is a hit or miss on several occasions, and that is perfectly understandable in a creative field. Like Jhootha Hi Sai – that is the worst soundtrack I have ever heard. This Kat-Srk song is quite poor on first hearing at least. And Shreya has never strained her voice so much
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October 10, 2012 at 1:19 AM
yes jhootha hi sahi remains rahman’s worst soundtrack, IMO, which is why i didn’t list it above in my list. JTHJ is probably second worst…in recent times.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:27 AM
Rahman is either effortlessly superb or then the strain shows. Esp when the project is too hyped and one assumes the music will be the least of the film’s worries. Now Ghajini music wasnt bad but on hindsight it wasnt great either. I wsnt a fan of Rockstar music either but i know enough people liked it so i will put it down to my poor taste.
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October 10, 2012 at 10:20 AM
We can deal with the poor taste if it means you’ll be more active on the blog, Sandy. Good to see you here after some time.
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October 10, 2012 at 3:06 PM
yes GF, I do intend commenting more often. Didnt get the chance to see a single film last year so have been completely out of the loop.
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October 10, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Good to see you at SS Sandy…….
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October 10, 2012 at 1:34 AM
I wasn’t frankly a fan of Yuvraaj music. But all the rest you list are unforgetable.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:37 AM
oh sorry, won’t count Blue either but I missed the criteria you placed them under
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October 10, 2012 at 2:59 AM
Sandyi- u make some good points
As for rockstar -loved the music
Yet to hear this album out yet …
Ps: nice name n gravatar
My hunch is that the ‘i’ in your name is ‘iyer’–right ?
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October 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Great to see you on the blog Sandy.. hope all’s well…
I did like the Yuvraaj soundtrack though I was in the minority..
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October 10, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Me too, esp Man Mohini and Tu Hi Toh Meri Dost Hai.
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October 10, 2012 at 2:34 AM
Haven’t yet heard this album yet -interesting to read the reactions though
Btw jhootha hai Sahi was a good album as well IMO
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October 10, 2012 at 8:48 AM
The Saans song sounds very ordinary. Kind of generic melody, with no individuality. I like the title song the best so far.
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October 10, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Why is she running across London in her underwear?
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October 10, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Is she really? Godammit!! missed it…i got to put on my microscopic vision now….
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October 10, 2012 at 11:37 AM
That’s what Londerners do apparantly. I need to get out more !
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October 10, 2012 at 10:44 AM
music’s really disappointing on first listen
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October 10, 2012 at 11:10 AM
OK … I heard the album twice…and it is disappointing by ARR standards… YRF have succesfully managed to dilute ARR..
So as of now, SUBHASH GHAI remains the only HIndi director who succesfully experimented with ARR to bring out terrific north indian milieu to his music..
The Punjabisation project by YRF and ARR has failed….except for CHALLA…
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October 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Very pedestrian effort by ARR standards. Except Challa, no tune that catches you by the collar and forces a re-listen. Challa too has a strange overhang of Rabbi’s “Bulla Ki Jaana”. Was ARR trying to jepardize Yash Uncle’s swansong?
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October 10, 2012 at 12:19 PM
Dsiappointing album from ARR.There were three reasons to watch this movie -ARR,Katrina and Anushka. Now there are only two ( or four,depending on your POV).
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October 10, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Two and a Half, if you mean Katrina and Anushka.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM
I will concede to your ‘professional’ opinion,Kaviji.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Dhai Akshar Prem Ke.
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October 10, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Dedfootay SRK ke achey naseeb mein Dhai heroines hi likhi hain.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Heard the songs yesterday. I don’t think it is particularly bad album. What struck me more is the wrong choice of singers here. Thought Heera and Saans were OK…also each song is quite lengthy for a hindi song.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:19 PM
“Yash Uncle” has more than enough people in front of the camera to jeopardize his swansong.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM
The owner always bets on the winning horse. Doesn’t matter if both owner and horse have together entered old age.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:32 PM
That’s not a bad analogy. At the very least it’s probably true that Yashraj has an owner/pet relationship with SRK.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM
“βYash Uncleβ has more than enough people in front of the camera to jeopardize his swansong.”
“Thatβs not a bad analogy. At the very least itβs probably true that Yashraj has an owner/pet relationship with SRK.”
ROFL! You’re on a roll GF! π
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October 10, 2012 at 1:54 PM
So that makes Adi the jockey?
KJo probably holds fort over the fodder in the barn.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM
I’m not too impresed so far, but will see how I feel after a few days.
I think it’s interesting that everyone is blaming YRF for the music not being amazing, saying that they must have restricted Rahman. I actually think Chopra has inspired most MD’s to come up with great music for his movies.
Rahman lately for me hasn’t been consistently amazing.
People have been speaking pretty condescendingly about the music of VZ and Chopra’s 90’s movies, but personally I liked each of those albums and they were hugely popular with the public too.
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October 10, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Fair points Salim. My own sense from Rahman’s relationship with his directors is that the directors who offer something in their narrative or their vision that truly inspires him often end up getting the best (or at least most interesting) music out of him. This has been the constant in much of Rahman’s stronger works in the later years. He’s of course given good music to total turkeys but I think in the past decade or so it’s been the opposite. I tend to think that with most MDs, not just Rahman, the movies often (not always) get the music they deserve…
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October 10, 2012 at 1:40 PM
to add to to this if it’s a by the numbers soundtrack he tends to be fine in Tamil but gets flat in Hindi. So I can’t really think of too many mediocre soundtracks of his (by his lofty standards) in Tamil that I don’t enjoy but in Hindi this is almost never the case, has never been the case.
To further amplify something you’ve said there might be very commercial directors like Ghai (who was incidentally praised by Rahman for his understanding of music) who’re willing to give their film over to Rahman’s music and shape the texture and tone accordingly who can then still get something valuable out of him even when the film is run-of-the-mill. So Murugadoss just wanted 5 numbers for Ghajini and probably wasn’t bothered about what those numbers were and Rahman produced a strong ‘middling’ album. On the other hand Yash Chopra probably wanted Rahman to match his kind of ‘feel’ which is rather hard to do if you’re Rahman. You can’t quite reduce yourself to DTPH or VZ level or whatever (on the latter Yash Chopra pilfered old tunes from Madan Mohan but they all sounded much more tired in the redoing.. the double disc here featured snippets of the studio originals and they were better in every single instance) because even though some of that stuff might be enjoyable it is so in a nursery jingle way.
Finally Rahman has just been more interested in the international scene for some years (unfortunately as far as I’m concerned) and so he tends to avoid a lot of projects in India. He always shows for people he’s had a long association with and he’s interested in someone new like Imtiaz Ali who again gives over the film to him. But otherwise he probably just signs onto something like Jab Tak Hai Jaan without any great commitment.
Otherwise the guy who’s done Rockstar, Enthiran, Vinaithaandi…., Raavan, among others over the last couple of years or so is very much on his A game irrespective of what one prefers. And here the Ranjha song from Raavan is a classic example of how he produced a superb number doing something fairly traditional (Ghajini’s Guzaarish is an even better one). So it can be done Punjabi accents et al.. but on this soundtrack it just doesn’t sound like he was very motivated. To repeat what I said the other day there’s a gulf between Rockstar and this. a massive one. Among his major Hindi soundtracks I never much cared for JA but it was way better than this one.
Don’t want to sound completely definitive either but though it can sometimes take some listens to start liking a Rahman this doesn’t sound like the kind of ‘interesting’ soundtrack where one would change one’s opinion completely.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Rahman might yet make me eat my words. Just heard Ishq shava once again and didn’t mind it! Didn’t think the saans song was too bad yesterday either though again the lyrics are poor.
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October 10, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Well said. It’s certainly true that his Tamil works these days are by and large more consistently interesting/stronger than the Hindi works. I actually think Enthiran (even with some of Shankar’s obsession with corny English lyrics) is his most underrated work in the past decade.
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October 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM
Enthiran was vintage Rahman!
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October 10, 2012 at 12:48 PM
I am in love with the title song. The rest might also grow on me. I usually give Rahman albums some time before forming an opinion.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:13 PM
do you mean the actual title song or challa? I liked the latter a lot.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:28 PM
I was talking about the actual title song.
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October 10, 2012 at 1:43 PM
I just heard the complete thing. You’re quite right. It’s definitely the best one on the soundtrack other than Challa and possibly the only moment on the soundtrack where some of Rahman’s signature ‘effects’ are on display.
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October 10, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Wow – I missed this one earlier – and I love it :=) Def the best on the album.
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October 10, 2012 at 2:03 PM
Hmm- usually hear a rahman album properly when in mood / with guitar et al.
have heard only Chhalla and saans once
Unfortunately can’t be hearing/enjoying music as of now lol
On my ‘pending to do’ list as of now..
Ps: have seen these pics of jthj of Srk with Kat n anushka though just now …
To give her credt, both Kat n anushka appear to be trying to emote – a big achievement ESP for Kat π
Srk obviously in on auto pilot in this sort of space ..
Ps2: satyam what’s your verdict …On the music –since unlike the cocktail genre, u know your Rahman well lol
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October 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM
scroll up for my opinion on the soundtrack.. just put up a longer paragraph..
On not knowing the Cocktail genre true but I guess that’s one of the issues with growing up..
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October 10, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Cant /wont comment on rahmans music yet -since thats an area of interest, will write in detail later
Just heard parts of Chhalla and saans once just now
Will say only this thing–
In a way-this is ‘testing time’ for both Srk and yash/aditya really
I hope yash uncle & aditya have got something special in the script.
This film will now need perhaps the performance of a lifetime from Srk -one of his best innings yet …
-I won’t count him out though
If anyone can do it (even at this age/space) in this setting,
It is Srk !
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October 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM
I have mostly enjoyed Yahraj/ SRK combo movies except Veer – zara , but this movie looks so stale…IMO it will go RA1 way..huge opening with steep decline in the following week….
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October 10, 2012 at 3:02 PM
I’d say it gets a big though not sensational opening. And it then stays more stable. Because even if WOM is relatively poor on such a genre it’s unlikely to collapse as much (unless it’s KANK). Assuming of course a decent effort at the very least. But yeah the staleness factor is huge here. I doubt it can trend as well as RNBDJ (another film that started good enough but not great and then trended well) unless they have a really good narrative in place. of course the film faces two other problems. There’s competition with SOS (which itself doesn’t look too promising to me.. admittedly a Telugu superhit but something about Devgan’s Sardar look doesn’t work and Dutt looks frightening.. still I haven’t seen the original and could be wrong about all this) and then two weeks later Talaash releases. So JTHJ has to be really strong in the first two weeks.
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October 10, 2012 at 3:16 PM
Heer – 3/5
Challa – 3.5/5
Title song – 3/5
Ishq Shava – 2/5
Saans – 3/5
Probably a decent soundtrack compared to most albums today but on the Rahmanator one of his disappointing ones. Challa is the best one for me in the album, title song and saans may grow as the former has a nice middle section. Ishq Shava sounds like a dud to me and Heer is a nice enough song. Not a bad album just would have thought for a “romantic” film there is no Tere Bina, or Ishq Bina or even close in this album. Or jashe ne behara or Kaise mujhe. The exclamation mark Rahman song is missing.
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October 10, 2012 at 3:20 PM
very fair estimation of the album and specially agree with your writeup here..
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October 10, 2012 at 11:20 PM
look at all the excuses from srk fans, to try to lower the bar. romance is not in, masala is in, script has to be good etc. etc. come on! have some faith. this has all the advantages. srk coming in his strength genre after years. in marketing genius producer adi’s film. in yash chopra’s last movie which they are making a big deal of. with katrina and anushka, the most successful current female star and the new ‘in’ young female star. with arr music. srk is playing guitar, wearing army uniform, sporting chak de stubble and spreading his arms in london and punjab! (?). with all this, it will only be considered a success if it does 225 cr. anything less is a failure! but don’t worry, i am sure srk can do it. don’t be so insecure.
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October 10, 2012 at 11:21 PM
this was for aa.
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October 10, 2012 at 11:33 PM
Hahaha Anya
Using my teachings against me lol
“with katrina and anushka, the most successful current female star and the new βinβ young female star.”
So ok–
Decided
Picturisation of ‘saanson’ song in my spoof as katrina
This was for Anya π
Put on your running shows and yellow dress Anya haha
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October 10, 2012 at 11:41 PM
Typo-running shoes
As mentioned, casting of each song /key scenes will he decided separately
Only the picturisation of ‘saans’ is out till now.
Which needs lot of running skills and looking food in a yellow dress…plus she is being learning from me
The smart Anya will be doing ‘saans’ in the spoof 3 π
Oops:Back to work now
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October 10, 2012 at 11:32 PM
I xpect 300 crores. 100 crore for SRK’s presence.
75 crore for Katrina.
25 crore for anushka.
75 for the banner and Rehman.
25 crore for the festive factor.
If it crosses 300 crores, it is delicious.
If it falls below, then it is a disappointment.
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October 10, 2012 at 6:52 PM
Rahman falters @ the final frontier -‘north’ ?-initial impression
The ‘?’ Is bcos I’ve heard parts only once and knowing rehman tunes can grow & he makes u backtrack later lol
Infact when his tunes do not do much in the first listens, it can be ominous and these sometimes really grow more later!
Rahman has done “north’ Indian stuff v well in the past as well but this is a different ball game
With the chopras, he is as far in the Indian scene from his innate style, as can be possibly.
Also for the first time, I sense a ‘subservience’ in arr wherein he is willing to negate/throttle his own style to please or conform to a makers vision
That this style is neither his natural style nor sensitivity wise is obvious.
Subhash ghai ( taal) and Imtiaz Ali (rockstar) had an adept musical sense and could actually ‘guide” him in the right direction, still leaving him ‘incharge’
Rahman does start out well here in his quest for the ‘north’ by employing some grossly emphatically ‘ north flavoured singer’ who by their own vocals could take care of any weakness of this aspect –
Case study 1
Rabbi here fulfils the role daler mehndi performed in rang de basanti
But while in the latter, only one such song had this ‘requirement’, here all of them had to be ‘yash-ised’–thus ‘exposing’ Rahman a bit more
Case study2
A much more Bollywood music literate ghai guided him and facilitated two v good albums musicall -taal , yuvraaj
But musically, yash isn’t ghai
As of now-chhalla, title song, heer..sounded good
Most of these and the other songs should get better with repeat listenings –
Ps: Rahman seems to have left a lot for srk,Kat/anushka , and the chopras to salvage …
Though the latter are capable of recovering from this …
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October 10, 2012 at 11:37 PM
alex adams you are getting too cozy with your leading lady in the Saans song..
chakkar kya hai?
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October 10, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Tony haha -As for ‘saans’ -one should ask Anya
Why she is running in like that and ‘grabbing’ me π
Joking -that’s jus part of the original song -what can we do–have to ‘copy’ as in a spoof lol
Sanjana –be ready With the camera for all key shots lol
Ps: wonder when the other song picturisation will be out …
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October 11, 2012 at 12:05 AM
might be in ladakh
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October 11, 2012 at 12:13 AM
ladakh too? so another 25 cr then? 250 cr it is. that’s the new target.
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October 11, 2012 at 12:42 AM
I’m enjoying ‘saans’ picturisation (with Anya )
What fun –my job is to just sit back and …
π
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October 11, 2012 at 8:38 AM
Wow what brilliant work by Anya & Sanjana
Guess we 3 can take a ‘break’ for a bit now π
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October 11, 2012 at 9:10 PM
Anyhow –enough of ‘breaks’…this track ‘saans’ is somewhat ‘growing on’ me now (no wonder)…
Back to action /camera … Sanjana
Now that Anya has slimmed down after all that running / grabbing –we’re onto the ‘telephone booth’ now π
Cya soon folks…
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October 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM
it must be fun inside your head! or terrifying! either ways, good luck, sounds like you’ll need it. besides medications, of course.
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October 11, 2012 at 11:29 PM
lol
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October 12, 2012 at 11:04 AM
That perfume was quite handy in the ‘phone booth’ !!
Think it was YSL.. π
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October 14, 2012 at 5:25 AM
Alex I think u should give the JTHJ SRK a break and go for Leo in Django Unchained. he’s badass and like you – one wisecrack after the other
btw he also steals people’s wives π
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October 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM
“go for Leo in Django Unchained. heβs badass and like you β one wisecrack after the other–btw he also steals peopleβs wives ”
Haha thanks tony
I’m currently busy with work and also Part-time have ‘my hands full’ with jthj song picturisations…
But yeah–Leo in django interests me somewhat after a long hile -also as u mentioned there are some key points of resonance there -/-will aim to fit it in… π
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October 14, 2012 at 4:32 AM
http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/yash-chopra-admitted-to-hospital/20121014.htm
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October 15, 2012 at 4:32 PM
Came across this–
Srk & Katrina releasing the music on Skype !!
Srk obviously uncut, unrehearsed…
Ps: anya & sanjana still deep asleep …after hectic work lol
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October 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM
Anyone. Knows who is the surprise factor for this one? HR or JRAB?
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October 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM
didn’t know there was a surprise factor here..
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