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Housefull 4 Comes Through Heavy Negativity
Thursday 07 November 2019 12.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Housefull 4 released on Diwali to good enough public reports for the comedy in the film but the industry and the trade especially had issues with the film which is fine but then the attempt was there to portray the film as a flop or disaster when majority of the audience had actually liked the film. Hardly any exhibitor would have had an issue for the film as it was collecting well enough all over, the problem was with these reviewer types who then also give the collections also.
These type of reviewers generally believe what they say about a particular film is how the audience at large will see it but the audience is a far better judge than these people. This has been happening for years as the trade type of reviewers try to match the collections to their reviews. A Sholay was called a flop for almost 2 months despite going house full at practically every show and if the greatest movie ever can be attempted to be called a flop then what is Housefull 4. That was over 40 years back but still things don’t change with the reviewers today trying to call the collections as per their reviews of the film. Yes you do look a fool when you say the film is bad and then have to give its good box office collections but its something you have accept fast as eventually you will get egg on your face as the film continues to sustain.
They were further aided by by certain people in the industry who talked about inflated collections. It may be bad practice but the fact today is that for the past few years 5-10% inflation has become the industry standard and it was done by most films prior to the release of Housefull 4 and the release after Housefull.4. The industry people who talked about inflation have probably inflated their collections even more than Housefull 4 at times which was actually on the lower side if talking about inflation compared to many other films.
The only difference for Housefull 4 was that it was called out for this as insanely crazy low numbers were being filtered here and there while most other films are left alone. Some of this was just to create a nuisance and then there would others in the industry who would jump on the bandwagon trying to spread negativity and kill it while it is in the dull period. But there is the audience out there and if they find something interesting in a film eventually they will make it work no matter what is being said and that is what happened with Housefull 4.
This sort of thing also happened with Race 3 last year which was not as bad as it was made out to be with the only problem being it did not sustain so despite numbers being decent, the perception was not there do to dropping collections. Then there was Saaho (Hindi) and that did not sustain too well also but it still did a huge number for a South film in Hindi but there the dull performance in South was bought in to downplay the strong Hindi performance simply because the collections did not match the reviews.
Housefull 2 saw negativity at a higher level than those two films and this was happening as the film was actually working on all levels be it collections or with the audience and that become an issue as it was called a disaster on release. Also then there were certain camps in the industry which gave fuel to the negativity. Rather than give up and accept the facts the negativity even went on while it was doing huge numbers on the weekdays.
These people need a mental check up if they think box office collections will go as per their reviews especially as if they had a clue about what works and what not like they think they would be not be reviewing films but be the top filmmakers in the country. Some will even pretend that they have huge respect in the industry but today even the public is hard to fool that way let alone the industry. In most of the industry which makes the bigger commercial films the word for a critic is not critic but another Hindi slang word beginning with C. Obviously nobody says in open public but it is actually a fact within the industry. Yes there is the other side of the industry who need these types to push their films and here the critics come in use for them though it hardly helps in the long run.
Coming back to Housefull 4 it was pointed out that the film had inflated collections which is the case for 99% of the films released but only 1% get pointed out. It was also pointed out if this is not done then it would be better for the industry and there could be a little case there. But the bigger picture is that it should have really been pointed out was why is there so much negativity out there when the audience is coming in and liking the film as this negativity hits the bottom line which is revenue, not only for Housefull 4 but other films as well. Sadly this will not happen as its not about the betterment of the industry but trying to kill a film when you see a opportunity. Housefull 4 came through with flying colours but next time another film may not as this is not the last time it will happen.
Many will get offended by this commentary because they have participated in the negativity during the pre-diwali weekend. So the C word would surely hurt them. But instead of learning, they are going to do more mud bath, and in the process dirtying themselves further.
The last para is towards Ronnie Screwvala. Ouch !!
Galat film pe haath daal diya Ronnie ne. I totally agree with BOI. Instead of highlighting the intense negativity which was unique, he chose to stoke the negativity by questioning the numbers which is more of a norm and hardly done for betterment of industry. 😀
I guess they’re the flag bearers of paan chewers & illiterates of the lowest common denominator, some of whom claim to be Sajid Khan fans on this forum & claim boi as their gospel.
Never witnessed BOI hyperbole for Sid Anand films, none of which are for single screen audiences anyways. Its more for the gutter level junk like Saaho, HF, Golmaal and more of Shetty/Sajid and Milap Zaveri brand of cinema. As for War, neither is it for single screens and nor is it at par with HF4, it way bigger than that.
Nice to see BOI objective and calm as always. But here’s the money line:
“Coming back to Housefull 4 it was pointed out that the film had inflated collections which is the case for 99% of the films released but only 1% get pointed out.”
What is this brouhaha about incorrect box-office figures doled out by the producers of Housefull 4?
– It’s much ado about something that’s been prevalent since years. Many producers do give out inflated box-office collections of their films but it is up to those reporting to correct them and put out the genuine figures. Frankly, not many so-called trade analysts and, of course, the self-styled trade analysts have the werewithal to get their hands on the genuine box-office collections and, therefore, either depend upon the producers for the same or randomly reduce the figures to appear unbiased. Both are dangerous moves. Film Information has a network of more than 200 representatives across India, to not just source the collections but also to verify those provided by the producers.
FI has been prevalent since 46 years now. No other trade journal has the authenticity that they do. If there is someone who ought to put out data for films of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s out for public knowledge its got to be FI and not some novice like Boi which chops & changes as per their convenience.
Box office is not a T20, it a game of test cricket. Daily reporting is for hyperbole and 2 minute noodle couch potatoes. Long term box office reporting is slow, tedious and a patient exercise that’s only been mastered by FI but unfortunately, the magazine’s never found its way beyond industry circles unless you’re willing to pay out of your pockets!
This article highlights the issues with Kadel and Jaiswals well. I said it last week, their numbers try to mirror their reviews all too often. I don’t understand why public trade analysts take their reviews so seriously when dealing with numbers. Box office is so simple, just report numbers without malice and mudsligging.
If they rate a movie 1* it doesn’t mean the numbers have to reflect the same.
Lovely to see sensitive use of words on such a reputed site.
But what else can you expect from a site that used the word “midget” during Zero reports and indulged in blatant homophobia when it came to Ek Ladki Ko Dekha To Aisa Laga
Midget
Homophobic
Some sick hatred for small movies
Hatred of ‘European cinema’
Targeting trade analysts with articles like this and clown ones
What’s not to admire? And the logic is – they are negative on movie so must be under reporting but hey if the site is positive on movie there numbers must be correct!
People associated with BOI – be proud of their accomplishments!
“Ulta chor kotwaal ko daate” . The box office website has lost its credibility after indulging in collection manipulation of a particular film. Now they are abusing critics & calling them C , it shows they are caught red handed & are completely exposed
Fact remains, be it the credible Boi (in Naveen’s definition, fan **Edited** of monumental giga star Akshay Kumar with zero highest annual weekends or top grossers) or the likes of Jaiswal or Kadel, they’re all a bunch of rogues with questionable credibility. Boi questions the authenticity of Trade guide and FI and calls their editors C’s and clowns when the fact remains, TG and FI have existed since the 70’s, a time when Boi’s editors might have been in their nappies. They have single handedly made a mockery of box office classifications and verdicts (Ram Jaane is a Hit, roflmao) & are a self proclaimed bunch of bull s’s with no verified data, authenticity and credibility apart from the somewhat accurate numbers they throw up on most occasions (just the numbers, not the verdicts. The lesser spoken of the commentary, the better).
That precisely I have commented; BOI was formed in 2003. All data used to be with FI and TG. And they use to give territory wise earning. No NETT was ever given (I have not seen anywhere, it is mostly rounded gross numbers). How come you have NETTs and on top of that footfalls for pre 2000 movies; only motive I can understand is they want to excite fanbases.
Footfalls can be calculated only when you know actual ATP; ATP can be calculated only when you have footfall in each of cinema and their grosses. Most of time they have NETT; they multiply with a constant to get Gross. Randomly guessed number is is used as ATP and you get footfall.
I’m still okay with random guesswork as long as you appreciate its an approximation instead of pretending to be accurate to the last possible decimal. HAHK footfalls could have been portrayed as 6-7 cr on their portal instead of displaying a figure like 7,39,50,000 or what not. Even as long back as 2006, a lot of the 70’s & 80’s data was manipulated to portray SRK ahead of Amitabh on most parameters and now on their current portal when they realize that AB might end up with 10 ATBB’s as per their current methodology, they refuse to put out pre 1994 data.
BOI own data on HAHK footfall was less than 5 crore (62 NETT) in old days; Now they have made it 7+ (69 crore NETT). What has changed in data to come to that?
It is suggesting they don’t have data. It is more of guess work or massaging of data. When you cannot calculate correctly pre-GST then how can you calculate for things before 2000. With GST, you can calculate Grosses easily. ATP would still be complex based on weighted mean (varying ticket price and occupancies across multiplex chains).
There are surely different level of boxoffice reporting. Here is my take –
1. Prediction – This is merely a guess. I usually like to read them but don’t consider them a serious affair, no matter from whom.
2. Daily reporting – Find BOI faster. Will shun BOI but at the moment BOI seems to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
3. Box office commentary – BOI is biased and selective. They can also be gutterish for few stars and lenient of few. Again this is hardly a point of reference for me.
4. Box office final collections – Most who give daily numbers (BOI and Taran) change when they get more data (in a week’s time or so from interiors/exhibitors/distributors, etc). Those who do not give daily numbers (Komal) don’t have to change. I will do not hold this much against BOI/Taran, though BOI changes more often as their data is their own and unlike producer’s it can change.
5. Box office classification – BOI is very inconsistent. Komal’s classification is not popular. Taran is the final word i guess.
I think only Jayshah got the messaging right. Others just indulged in mud bath, as i had predicted.
Barring Munna, who i admire for keeping his stand neutral no matter what (Kaise kar lete hain aap despite being an Aamir fan?), everyone else had jumped on the comments of KRK, Kadels of the world. Funny thing is the **Edited** – Shivaay, Tonymontana, Jugaado, Kunaal, etc are now dissociating themselves from the isolated critics.
Not liking a movie is another thing. That’s your personal choice. But bringing down a film is not. Ganda lagta hai.
Please quote even a single comment of mine on any of the forums where I refer to the pornographic equivalent of trade analysts like Kadel and Jaiswal. All through I have constantly maintained the only person I put my faith in is Komal Nahta due to his experience and “relatively” neutral & honest opinions.
Pls note how the tone and estimate changes with time.
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Shivaay Says:
“Even 150 would be a challenge.”
October 25, 2019 at 2:27 PM
“This is a poor opening. Seems like the negative word of mouth would disallow major escalations on the all important day 4 & 5.”
October 25, 2019 at 10:45 PM
“It is a poor performance bro. Although, we cannot deny that with the kind of reviews HF4 got, any collection at par with Race 3 would be a huge moral win considering what happened with TOH last Diwali.”
October 27, 2019 at 5:17 PM
“The only “moral victory” HF4 can now have is if it manages to outgross Race 3 with a 1.5/5 average rating to claim that its outgrossed Race 3 & Toh’s total despite carrying similar negativity in the trade circles (something that Saaho’s hindi version managed).”
October 28, 2019 at 8:06 AM
“175 would be a good result after all that negativity but if looked at from a stand alone, review independent point of view even 175 is a very underwhelming total for a film that not too long ago was being touted to be a genuine competitor to War as the highest annual grosser of 2019.”
October 28, 2019 at 2:12 PM
Still stand by that. If your fandom blinds you to the fact that 210 lifetime is a below par total for a film that carried pre release buzz of breaking the collections of the highest grosser of the year thus far but ends up 90 Cr short, its nothing short of below par. Agreed it might not have gone as disastrous as initially estimated and had succeeded the likes of Race 3 & Toh, it doesn’t mean you make it sound like a Bahubali. Not matching upto Golmaal 4’s adjusted collections despite having a bigger star in the lead and being a popular franchise in itself is nothing to be going bonkers over.
Here’s an interesting piece on Wikipedia. Raj Kapoor’s 1951 classic Awara sold over 100 million tickets in Soviet & China and with a global viewership of over 200 Million its regarded as one of the most watched Hindi films of all time (might have a toss up with Sholay) and is easily Hindi cinema’s most successful overseas venture till date. The viewership in China during its initial run was 40 million which is similar to Dangal’s viewership in the same market, with Dangal obviously not having the luxury of repeat runs. Not just Awara but many other films of Raj Kapoor like Sangam & Mera Naam Joker among others have said to shatter box office records in the Soviet.
Ayushmaan Khurana is building some kind of solid assurance now. He is now hitting every ball out of the park. Now his hits are not small. They are doing superb business and multiples of its cost.
Just take a look at the movies he has done so far. Don’t remember which actor/star had such a fantastic first 15 movie line up. And this coming from ‘outside’ is unprecedented as those from inside and support from family/connections like Hrithik/Ranbir too don’t have such impressive beginning.
” there are approximately 1,200 multiplexes (with multiple screens) all over India. In contrast, there are nearly 4,000 single screens that release Hindi films. “About 40% to 50% of them have traditional booking methods [of a ticket window],” says Kapoor. In the past, even multiplexes have refused to work with an analyst firm attempting to standardise practices. It results in the inability to track ticket sales invalidates an incomplete endeavour.”
All these articles have missed the bigger picture of the paid negativity to pull down the collections of HF4.
From Komal to BOI, everyone is saying that 90% producers inflate their figures. So that’s not the rallying point.
The rallying point around HF4 should have been that the random throwing of low numbers (by Amod Mehra, Kadel, Jaiswal, KRK, and 25 others blue ticked twitterati + plenty other like from Khan market gang acting as trade analyst like Sohail khan etc) to show bad collections of HF4. They all started giving their own numbers which were far far lower than those of Komal or BOI. This was unprecedented. BOI and Komal had the courage to call it out. Taran resorted to non confrontational route.
That being said however, Bollywood Hungama is neither run by Kadel, nor by Mehra. This is the first time EVER that Bhungama is at least 10-15% short of Boi numbers. Usually its the other way round and Hungama is at par with Koimoi even for unrealistically inflated numbers like we witnessed during K3 & Raees vs Kaabil clash. Komal & Boi being on the same page is more of a relief, however going forward if we witness a film that sees 10% difference between Hungama, Boi & Nahta’s numbers with Taran taking a backseat (like he always does since the K3 fiasco) it would be mayhem. Hungama in general is as credible a source as boi while Nahta is the industry’s poster boy among the trade.
Bollywood Hungama is not exactly a new source. In fact its been around since before BOI. Anyhow, since Nahta and Boi are on the same page we’l obviously go with them for now. Hungama’s results however have been shocking on this occasion.
I will also take exhibitors version next. They all have rallied behind HF4. Every single exhibitor from CEO of PVR, INOX, Cineplex to single screen owners of Bangalore, MP, UP, Maharastra, Rajasthan, Delhi came in support of the producers number. This support was unprecedented. They never did earlier but this time with HF4 they realised that things have been stretched too far when the reality is very good.
Unfortunately for some leftist reason, noone has written a proper article in mainstream media despite most credible names in the industry clearly asking for boycotting this paid negativity.
I mean look at this article by Hindu. What has it said which one doesn’t know. It is a complete piece of sham and nudges the paid negativity. Because the negativity questioned the numbers from credible sources to get away.
As BOI and Komal saif, HF4 survived but many films will not be able to do. Shocking!!
Don’t know about other films but if Nahta makes the circuit wise classifications of FI frm 1973-1999 out in the public domain, it would surely be hard for Boi & its cronies to survive who might wanna find excuses for branding their Khan’s as “Megastars” after witnessing what Amitabh & Dharmendra did during the 70’s.
Taran never gives year end final classifications barring the odd exception here and there. Nor are his classifications consistent with time. I remember him giving an All Time BB to Ready and Bodyguard at the time of release when those films were barely a Hit Plus.
Wasting time is attempting to explain logic to fans of a giga star who’d never give a historic opening or a historic lifetime grosser even if he acts in a Dhoom film. If u wanna call Ready an ATBB or Super 30 a Super Hit (mentioning HR’s film on purpose) or even a rank HIT like War a BB, good luck to you. You’d do well to go through those rediff archives to know what “real box office classification” looks like.
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Here are some vital and insightful articles from the Rediff archives that categorically give us an idea on how box office & trade reporting should be. Unfortunately, if the likes of Taran & Komal got back to reporting territory figures and circuit wise Share : Cost ratio, there would be internet trolls and fans queuing up to use all kinda of gutter language to defend their favorites.
I think its fair to say HF4 has done very well contrary to initial expectations. Its a clean hit…Infact a more cleaner hit than some of Akshays movies like Padman etc which were said to be hit. Collecting close to 200 cr is a very good after all that bad mouth. Congrats to Naveen who read the trend perfectly
That doesnt mean they didnt manipulate. There was more than usual manipulation on more than 4-5 days but i think the makers thought the movie will flop and wont get breakeven. Even without the manipulation the movie is a clean hit
Manipulation is manipulation whichever way it is done. It’s not justified by ifs like they wanted to achieve breakeven but it then outperformed. It’s like me stealing to feed my family but then winning the lottery! Me winning the lottery doesn’t justify the stealing.
Anyway 2 week HF4 numbers all over the place
Kadel and Jaiswals have lowest at 148Cr (clearly a joke and a coordinated number)
BH has 167Cr
BOI has 185Cr
Whichever number, the trend has been good, solid. Unlike Race 3, Tubelight or TOH that collapsed after 1 or 2 days. No doubt with Diwali weekdays in 1st week its 65% second week drop is overstated and would be stronger if it was a normal release.
Yes, HF4 is clean hit irrespective of any number you believe. Also, clubbing Race 3 with TOH or Tubelight is incorrect. Race 3 worked at some levels mostly in interiors and went just little less than HF4. Tubelight crashed and ended at 120, same with TOH whereas Race 3 ending up around 165-170 crores with not so huge opening doesn’t give same trend as other two.
Director Amar Kaushik tries to drive home the message about how our society mocks those who are different. The film tends to get preachy in the second half with the message about societal prejudices hammered down repeatedly. This takes away from the film’s fun quotient, but the story continues to engage the viewer, mostly due to Ayushmann’s stellar performance.
But overall, ‘Bala’ remains a light-hearted comedy with situations that are relatable. Just like the film’s message, ‘Bala’ is beautiful even with its flaws, and never fails to entertain.
Jale mein namak aur wo bhi neem chadha.
HF4 has become a nightmare now. From Day 2 hold to Day4 turnaround to now the Komal’s number…it is like one of those weeks when one can only say – hey shiva…utha le re baba.
Biggest blockbuster of the year with Titanic word of mouth would struggle to cross 200 Cr despite being part 4 of a franchise. O Shiva the lord of lords, what days have u bestowed upon this digital age of morons & fools indeed!
Housefull 4 maintained very well in the second weekend. Collections during the weekdays were quite good. Overall, the film’s performance in week 2 was good. The second weekend started with Rs. 8.05 crore on the first day. Collections increased to Rs. 10.10 crore on Saturday. The Sunday total was an excellent Rs. 13.12 crore. In this way, the film netted Rs. 31.27 crore in the second weekend. Collections on the weekdays were as follows: Monday – Rs. 5.45 crore, Tuesday – Rs. 4.75 crore, Wednesday – Rs. 3.80 crore, Thursday – Rs. 3.15 crore. By adding Rs. 17.15 crore to its kitty during the weekdays, the film took its total for 2nd week to Rs. 48.42 crore. Grand total for 2 weeks: Rs. 182.67 crore.
Yes I wasn’t sure of the 189Cr considering Komal Nahta lagged behind in 1st week vs BOI. Either way seems BOI and Komal are in similar range.
Film Information has 187 centres reported for HF4 in first week, a hypothetical 64% (86Cr) of ACTUAL collections against the estimated total of 134Cr. So they estimate 48Cr. If I had time, I’m sure these are more data points than TG.
This is pretty comprehensive but some error which is acceptable if giving a range.
I’m pretty sure based on this detail Kadel and Jaiswals are very likely to be wrong.
Only way is to find a non debatable movies collections as a start. I remember my first was Tara Rum Pum – no Saif fans so not controversial.
I would recommend URI or Kabir Singh and from there the next Taran Adarsh or Komal Nahta can fly better than Kadel and Jaiswals.
Bala Has A Pretty Good Start
Friday 08 November 2019 15.00 IST
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Bala opened well with occupancy of around 25-30% though it was lower than Dream Girl as mass centres were less. Dream Girl also did not open well outside multiplexes in A centres but that film had had better music which probably gave it a better start in mass centres.
Still the film may have a chance to be similar to the Dream Girl number or maybe even a little better as it shoudl do better in the evening than that film in the bigger multiplexes. If the film had better music it would have easily gone past the initial of Dream Girl. The film is very wide release for the content that is going to around 3000 screens but despite the wide release it will probably remain a multiplex film in the A centres. The top openings this year in terms of initial occupancy this year till date are as follows.
So a socially relevant Bala has opened better than Shaitan Kumar’s 2017 social drama Toilet (apt name for 99% of his films barring Neeraj Pandey productions and Jolly) which got a 20-25% opening. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised as pseudo nationalist Kumar has never opened well, nor has given a highest grosser in any format in any of the 28 years of his cinematic existence and nor is capable of breaking any records in the book barring quantity of films done thanks to his primarily B/C/D grade filmography till 2014.
#Bala Day-1 collection is heading towards ₹ 10 cr +, strong evening & night shows could breach it through ₹ 12 cr nett mark. SUPER HIT in making.. pic.twitter.com/4aWU0ULqb0
Assuming that Bala earns AT-LEAST Rs 120 crore, 5 Ayushmann’s films have contributed Rs 532 cr at the box-office in a span of 13 months (Oct 2018 till Nov 2019). This is just a humongous number, considering that the combined production budget of all films is less than Rs 175 cr.
No it does not make you #1. It might make you popular among the trade and distribution circuit but to attain super star status the only factors that count are how many memorable, historic and all time level blockbusters you can deliver as an actor, not one’s which become hits through limited footfalls and an even limited budget. Economic feasibility might be your’s and your gossip circle’s yardstick for declaring numero uno’s (as that’s the only way Akshay Kumar can be declared uno since he’s always been and still remains completely incapable of delivering a historic grosser or a record opener) but for the audiences a Jitendra can never get bigger than a Dilip Kumar even after delivering double the number of hits, nor can an Emraan Hashmi be the uno between 2008-11 despite delivering 50-60 Cr grossers for 10-15 Cr productions and nor is Aashiqui 2 a bigger hit than Dhoom 3 or Chennai Express in 2013.
No 1, No 2 etc are comparative. Simple.
Numbers are like race, it doesn’t matter if you beat a record or not. To be No 1, you just have to be ahead of No 2.
After doing some investigation work…the Sumit Kadel was actually blogging at SS till couple years back. He knew of Jugaado from NG. I guarantee BOI people have been here or are!
For me this site became a joke the day they declared MNIK and Ra.1 as hits way back in 2010-11. And once the new boi was launched in 2014 with films like Ram Jaane being declared hits, I knew it would be a laughing stock. They are shit scared of putting out 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s data on their portal as they’d lose classifications for Amitabh, Dharmendra and Dilip Kumar films from that era. Tbh, the now erstwhile ibosnetwork was a lot more accurate for the 70’s-90’s data.
More fun facts from BOI. Hit count for Ajay/Akki went up by 8-9 after their last update. Rangeela went from being a 10 Cr Semi-Hit to a 20 Cr Blockbuster!
Movies which were not Clean Hits but became Clean Hits after BOI Update –
As per them, their data was city centric. Though, based on mass arras, hit count has increased for everyone. Ajay/akki in 90s were more dependent on small cities and mass areas. So, probably they received or estimated or accepted some data from mass centers. Which increased verdict for all but more for largely mass dependent stars.
As for Rangeela, there were two kind of verdicts floating for this in 90s. Some sat semi hit and some say super hit, it all depends on which side you are looking at.
Though, adding up small centers data , it added up big.
By mass centers, i dont mean only small cities or villages. Even, big cities had many cinemas which run semi porn or even rangeela like films but their chances of reporting data were less or very delayed and more relying on distributors’ report after many months.
You really think they came across new data for these films more than 20 years after their release? Come on…these guys just pull numbers and verdicts outta their asses. With Film Information putting up reported and unreported numbers/estimates online without any hysterical commentary, it’s time BOI is dumped for good.
Till the time there is no alternative portal that puts out data, figures, share and verdicts for movies going as far back as the 90’s (preferably even before) BOI will continue to be treated as India’s version of boxofficemojo by the public and media alike. Unfortunate but true.
This data is more accurate than the current junk they have put up. If someone has access to FI magazine down the years and put out their data from the 70’s to the 00’s, BOI would become non existent.
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Bala Has Excellent Growth On Saturday
Sunday 10 November 2019 02.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala showed excellent gains on Saturday as it grossed around 15.50 crore nett taking the two day collections to around 25 crore nett plus. The growth is around 60% which should mean a good hold on Monday and a HIT film.
The growth is less than Dream Girl but that is probably because that film was very good in Delhi NCR and East Punjab and these circuits grow the most on Saturday. Also Dream Girl was low in Mumbai and collections doubled there on Saturday. Bala had a better start than Dream Girl in Mumbai by around 30%.
The trend is similar to Dream Girl but that will only be known on Monday as that is when the actual trend comes into play because Saturday growth is big now for most films. Dream Girl grossed 43.22 crore nett over the first weekend and that will probably be the target for Bala.
BOI numbers are again more than all other traders by 2.5 Cr
Hope likes of Ronnie, Kadel, will attack BOI same was as they did for HF4.
It is exactly this king of agenda that i am fighting. There is certain payment to deny few stars like Akshay his due. This has been happening since his last 2-3 superhits. Hit ko average kar to, superhit ko hit.
Nothing to lose sleep over. I want Bala to cross ₹ 150 Cr net. Its an outstanding movie, best of the year alongside Uri in my opinion. Yami Gautam deserves to be a top rung star after these 2 films while Ayushmann is surely making the most of his limited urban popularity and playing exceptionally well to his image of an unconventional hero.
Kadel, Jaiswal, Taran, Komal all tweeted 10.15Cr for Day 1.
BOI has 9.5-9.75Cr for Day 1.
Day 2 check on day 3 morning when officially announced as till now Saturday is just evening estimate. So ‘officially’ BOI has lowest day 1 number not opposite way round.
Essentially 10.15 is producer number or it is really the NETT, which I don’t think everyone can come to same number.
Either you know the number to last digit or it should be range.
I’m guessing each analyst has there own numbers and producer – based on mood they pick what suits them! This time it might be some are going with 10.15Cr deliberately too avoid being close to BOI, some liked movie so will go with producers etc. Naveen will go with BOI because he thinks it’s highest when it’s lowest!
Can you please follow Twitter properly?
Every source throws out estimate on day and gives actual number on morning of next day. Kadel gave 14-15Cr estimate and then came out with 15.73Cr today. This is not rocket science!
#Bala hits the ball out of the park on Day 2… Superb growth… Day 3 should help *weekend total* cross ₹ 40 cr mark… Will be Ayushmann’s third film to hit ₹ 40 cr+ in *opening weekend* [#BadhaaiHo, #DreamGirl]… Fri 10.15 cr, Sat 15.73 cr. Total: ₹ 25.88 cr. #India biz.
#Bala takes a massive jump on Saturday, Note Biz was slow from morning till 3pm due to Ayodhya Verdict… Uttar Pradesh collections were low, but still film managed to take huge jump.. total 2 days collection = 25.70 (aprx) #AyushmannKhurrana#yamigautam#BhumiPednekar
All are quoting Taran/Producer’s number.
BOI has its own number, which is slightly less.
So there is hardly an issue here with Bala.
The issue was with HF4.
For HF4, each source gave a new number other than Producer’s. From where they got, god knows. This hypocrisy is what is laughable.
We have established HF4 collections have different numbers.
Taran stopped reporting
BOI had a number
Komal did too
Addatoday followed Taran but had to stop and then used BOI or something else
Kadel and Jaiswal had same numbers
BH had a table
There is no hypocrisy. The bottom line is admitting to inflation doesn’t make it right. Accepting it is a cop out.
Bala everyone is same except BOI that is lowest.
For HF4 I’d say BH, Komal, BOI makes sense. For Bala it’s too early but BOI is outlier already. I’d pick producer.
Kadel conveniently changed his number once Taran gave his. Any way he doesn’t matter. Just pointing out that he did not do the same with HF4 and that’s an outlier.
Every producers hype their number a bit 10-15%. This has been told by Komal and BOI.We all know this now.
So if from producer’s numbers, BOI has it less by 10-15% less by BOI it is ok as long as their narrative is in line.
For HF4, MM, War, and several other movies, BOI has their number less by 10-15%. So that’s consistency.
He has used his discretion maybe for HF4 to point out inflation and been over dramatic about it. So yes he doesn’t matter for HF4. He showed his bias. So I ignore his HF4 numbers same for Jaiswal. This game IS NOT about picking the same source but about ascertaining the most accurate numbers. I don’t think that is rocket science either as BOI or any source has at some point cocked up so striking them off register for one or two errors you’ll end up with no options!
Not just this day, every single day. Even the Diwali day. HF4 footfalls is only around 12000.
Not saying they have fudged every single day but can anyone give me a decent explanation of this outlier. Common sense stuff like wider release and bigger in mass centres dont explain this
Housefull 4 Third Saturday Business
Sunday 10 November 2019 12.15 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Housefull 4 showed growth of 40% on Saturday and it should have been more but the film was hit by the Ayodhya ruling as those mass centres are among its better collecting areas. Also the likes of Mumbai, Pune and Bangalore which grow a lot on Saturday did not grow as they should as these are areas where the film is weakest. Still it is solid growth as it collects 2.75 crore nett and takes its total to over 189 crore nett.
Housefull 4 should become the highest Akshay Kumar NETT grosser either by the end of business today or sometime tomorrow.. The collections of Housefull 4 till date are as follows.
Bala First Saturday Business
Sunday 10 November 2019 12.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala had excellent collections of 15 crore nett on day two with growth of nearly 60%. The collections are a little lower than earlier estimates as some cities were closed in UP, Rajasthan and MP due to the Ayodhya decision. It took the biggest hit in Bhopal which was practically all shut on Saturday.
Still the growth is very good and and it has 24.50 crore nett total in two days and should emerge a HIT as long as Monday holds. The collections are a little lower than Dream Girl but its really about what happens from monday onward when comparing the two films. The best growth for the film came in Bangalore and Pune where collections almost doubled while the film could have probably done better in East and East Punjab especially the latter as its a multiplex circuit.
The collections of Bala for the first two days are as follows.
BOI total is 189. Will just about cross 200 as per BOI & FI. Above average for a 150 cr+ production. Well short of the gross figure & footfalls of Golmaal 4.
Just finished watching Bala. OUTSTANDING! A must watch for everyone, stunning performances, brisk screenplay & memorable dialogues. A very relevant message as well. All about accepting yourself, however you are. 4/5 👌
There might be traces of similarity but its not exactly a remake. Its got its own parallel story with a perfect Kanpur setting and more than just a balding guy’s challenges.
Consistently decent films over the last 3 years have surely made him a bankable star, however that being said I feel his popularity among his core fan base of class B/C centers during 2007-12 has gone down as he’s mostly done urban appeasing films of late (barring the Housefull franchise). I guess too many junk masala comedies in 2009-11 period resulted in declining popularity among the masses due to which he had to change track and focus on the A & A1 centers (which he’s managed quite well since Baby). But since majority of the B/C center audiences (which once patronized his films like Welcome & RR) are no longer interested in his films, even universal entertainers of his like Kesari, Jolly LLB 2 & Housefull 3/4 end up collecting mainly among the urban centers due to which his films are unable to get into the record breaking/huge grossing zone that Salman & Aamir have dominated over the last 11 years & which Ranbir & Ranveer discovered with Sanju & Padmaavat while Hrithik rediscovered with War after over a decade.
Bala’s ticket at a Bangalore multiplex mentions ₹ 305 net for a ₹ 360 ticket with ₹ 55 contributing towards CGST & SGST. Applying the same yardstick to HF4, it if collects ₹ 205 Cr net (same as G4) its lifetime gross should be around ₹ 242 Cr which is 22 Cr short of G4’s lifetime of 264 Cr gross after 2 years of release. The year’s highest grosser WAR would have a gross of ₹ 360 Cr in the Hindi version which is still ₹ 70 Cr short of last year’s highest grosser Sanju’s gross number of ₹ 430 Cr.
August 2019-May 2020, 5 films in 10 months. November 2020-Jan 2021, 3 films in 3 months! This guy’s gone nuts. I guess he wants to break AB’s record of number of films acted in before he turns 60.
They dont make anyone berozgaar. On the contrary, they are strong bearer of berozgaar for half of the industry surely.
But, if u think aamir/stk are the industry, then no one can employ them but themselves.
Also, star kids like hrithik, ranbeer etc are to be blamed alongwith their egos and laziness, they want biggest projects and if they cant recover biggest projects, they can come together. Also, they behave like very choosy but i can barely find any memorable films of them. Multi starrer era is gone, unfortunately likes of hrithik can pair up only if they are given prominent roles. Also, they lack discipline.
“Also, they lack discipline.” ~ and u know them personally or track their lifestyle to say that? Everyone has different ways of functioning, i’m sure u function in ways different from your colleagues too. Doesn’t make someone lazy or active. Also, why so serious?
If a particular artist, be it Ranbir, HR or Aamir refuse to sign more than one film in 2 years, does not imply they’re being lazy. They might have other avenues in life to focus on than just sticking to one. You or me are no one to decide. My comment was made on a lighter note, certainly not with the intention of degrading any particular artist or his work.
No don’t think so: That was a detective movie – a fantastic movie: I wrote something about it here — can’t find it now. This appears to be a spy movie.
On Bell Bottom & a heart-felt capturing of the essence of ‘retro’
Spoiler Alert
Bell Bottom is one hilariously enjoyable film that captures the small-town details of the ’80s. It’s the story of constable trying to get a name for himself; more importantly, that he’s fit for the big boots of a detective rather than the stymied shoes of a police constable: The path to that? As a kid, you just read detective novels and watch Kannada movies like Dr. Rajkumar’s Goadalli CID 99 and learn from them. The have allanswers, according to Diwakar. His father thinks it’s insane that his son has these fantastic brain-waves of turning a detective with such magnificent tools as study materials and keeps advising him to at least prove himself a constable. He solves a case—his first case— regarding a woman’s husband’s death, which in reality, is a hilarity the way it is solved. [But remember, this is the early ’80s, and this is a small town near Teerthahalli, and the police station is an organized mess scrambled with old papers and tied-up files; so the fact the Diwakar took the pains to go the library and uses the science of maggots in solving, and, more importantly, explaining how he solved the case is admirable to his juniors and his senior inspector, while being comical to the audience.] Having solved the case, he now gets a pat on his back— the senior inspector says he has ‘head-office’ – just remember the ‘meta’ here; here the inspector talks of capability, on the other hand, it actually represents the bureaucracy of the ’80s in India, where, whether you work in a bank or the post-office, ‘head-office’, meant promotion— and is assigned a bigger case; of finding out the master-minds and actors behind the looting of confiscated moolah and stored safely in the local police stations. How he goes about it, and how he catches the culprits forms the rest of the story, inter-laced with damn interesting and quirky characters, some terrific lines, some with more so double-entendre smacked lines between the father-son duo of Achyut Kumar and Rishabh Shetty’s Diwakar.
What boggles the audience is the amount of research and detailing that’s gone into re-creating the small-town milieu, late ’70s and early ’80s dependent retro-setting: Whether it’s the auto-rickshaw having Dr. Rajkumar’s movies’ posters at the back of an auto-rickshaw; or a character drinking Napoleon brandy; or the innumerable posters of Kannada cinemas of the ’70s and ’80s, or the Doordarshan music playing in the background while a guy goes to the terrace to experimentally shift the antenna in the right direction—this is done with respect, not like in the seeking-nirvana-by-scuba-diving in Spain crap—; whether it’s the fine placement of a Nirma washing-powder packet; whether it’s changing radio-stations on a transistor; whether it’s Diwakar trying to fix a cassette-tape using a pencil; whether it is Don’s song playing in a bar; whether it’s the heroine Haripriya’s Kusuma driving a luna, the film is filled with such metas justifying the retro-setting. Come to think of it, allthat Diwakar asks his seniors the resources to solve this case is a – Jawa motorcycle!! It’s a way for him to ‘speedily’ reach places—Kusuma has a luna; he needs a better vehicle! [He does his own research in a library; asks nothing from the police department on that front, a terrific dichotomy if you think of it.]
Out of the quirky characters, the one that is a hoot is ‘Sagni’ [meaning cow-dung in Kannada] who keeps mouthing lines of famous Kannada poets/philosophers/humorists from Karnataka like D. R. Bendra, Kuvempu, and Beechi. And then you have, well, almost everyone! Right from the father, to the 3 senior cops, to Yograj Bhatt’s toddy-drinking erst-while criminal. [When the cop asks for his help/experience to rob a police station, his expression when he asks one of his five wives to remind him of the English word that ends in ‘ball’ – impossible – is one to die for.]
But the way director Jayatheertha visually slithers the movie using techniques like flash-backs and red-herring in front of our eyes is highly commendable. There is such minute but fantastic flourishes; in a scene when the superior is praising Diwakar while both are smoking, the senior puffs and breathes out the smoke on Diwakar’s face; Diwakar takes the same cigarette, smokes, but puffs and breathes out the smoke out onto the ground, essentially capturing the undeniable hierarchy levels! There is praise, but the hierarchy still needs to be maintained! This movie is a consummate union of screen-play and direction. Of course, there’s no denying that having a cultural/colloquial understanding of the Karnatak state and its various dialects and its cultural variations, one would enjoy the movie more. Having watched this movie in DC, with sub-titles, I was pleasantly surprised to see better quality of sub-titles, unlike the pathetic sub-titles that Tamil movies provide.
Finally, as Diwakar, Rishabh Shetty simply owns the film. He brightens the screen as a simpleton trying to solve problems like Nasiruddin Hodja, wears trench-coat and hat like Inspector Clouseau, and doesn’t forget to occasionally switch from cigarettes to pipes as an ode to Sherlock Holmes. This is a great performance, and he gives it all.
It’s been a long, long, long, time since I enjoyed a retro movie from India since Once Upon a Time in Mumbai and Special 26 in Hindi.
Top 5 star in Hindi Cinema: Ayushmaan makes an entry
No 1: Akshay Kumar. He is on a roll. He is outsmarting, outthinking and outnumbering his competition. Over 550 Cr in 2019 and 700 Cr in last 12 months. One Blockbuster (Mission Mangal), Two Superhits (2point0 [Hindi], Housefull 4) One Hit (Kesari) and this is after series of clean hits from 2016.
Superhit 2016: Airlift, Housefull3, Rustom
Superhit 2017: Jolly LLB2, Toilet Ek Prem Katha
HIT 2018: Padman, 2point0, Gold
Superhit 2019: Kesari, Mission Mangal, HF4
No 2: Salman Khan – Bharat is a hit in 2019. He is fighting it back with his Eid announcement. His best days were from 2010-2016. Since then he is not able to match his best performance. Tubelight (2016 Eid), Race3 (2017 Eid) were average. Tiger Zinda Hai (2017, Christmas) was blockbuster. Enough to be at No 2 but not enough when the competition is bombarding HITs/Super Hits quarter after quarter.
No 3 Hrithik Roshan – Super30 is a hit and War a blockbuster. A good year after almost a decade. However this position might be short lived as Roshan has no movies in the horizon and competition from Ayushmaan and Ranveer is blazingly hot.
No 4 Ranveer Singh – Padmaavat, Simmba and Gully Boys has seen him to be at No 3 earlier. One more movie in 2019 would have surely helped Ranveer. However he will naturally climb up if competition fails to run. All eyes on ’83.
No 5 Ayushmaan Khurana – He edges past Ranbir, Tiger and Shahid with his fantastic array of hits/superhits. He is the star to watch out. His growth as actor and star has been the most amazing thing since last 2-3 years. Bala is a HIT. If it does 150 Cr+ then he will climb above Ranveer and become No 4.
Blockbuster 2018- Andhadhun, Badhaai Ho
Superhit 2019- Article 15, Dream Girl, Bala
Padman, Gold = Hit? Kesari, HF4 = Super Hit? Roflmao! Your classifications are even worse than BOI’s spoon feeding. I guess you have terms like “All time historic blockbuster of magnanimous proportions” for BB2 and “All time legendary blockbuster” for Dangal if Kesari and HF4 is what u call a Super Hit!
There are surely different level of boxoffice reporting. Here is my take –
1. Prediction – This is merely a guess. I usually like to read them but don’t consider them a serious affair, no matter from whom.
2. Daily reporting – Find BOI faster. Will shun BOI but at the moment BOI seems to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
3. Box office commentary – BOI is biased and selective. They can also be gutterish for few stars and lenient of few. Again this is hardly a point of reference for me.
4. Box office final collections – Most who give daily numbers (BOI and Taran) change when they get more data (in a week’s time or so from interiors/exhibitors/distributors, etc). Those who do not give daily numbers (Komal) don’t have to change. I will do not hold this much against BOI/Taran, though BOI changes more often as their data is their own and unlike producer’s it can change.
5. Box office classification – BOI is very inconsistent. Komal’s classification is not popular. Taran is the final word i guess and i stick to this.
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Here I have not given classification for individual films.
Just group it year wise and classified the year on an average for an easy interpretation of year on year impact.
I guess if Tubelight is average (this is the movie when SKF returned a huge sum of money to distributors?), then Salman has never had a flop ever? In this world even I have a blockbuster!
Very convenient and an equal exercise in pointlessness too. I’m sure Aamir & Srk are having sleepless nights after reading your comment & HR would sign 3 films immediately to be in your good books 😉
And their only interest in life lies in pleasing their rabid online fans (tbh the genuine fans of good cinema, urban or massy don’t bother with obsessive fanhood) which neither them nor anyone else has any obligation towards.
I really don’t care – deep down we all know the truth. Rest is all Hitler style propaganda.
Irony is this. You treat BOI as gospel. You celebrate 200cr of producer, have your own verdicts/top star list which is different to BOI! So it’s all much ado about nothing.
If the Distributor’s cost is X
Then a movie is a HIT if nett collection = 2X
Superhit if nett > 2.5X or a huge grosser
Blockbuster if nett > 3X or a huge grosser
HF4 is bought for 150 cr global by fox star. So it needs 425 cr to be a superhit by your own confession. Your entire comment falls flat on its face. Good luck!
180-200 Cr Nett was needed just for break-even according to Nahta. It will barely cross 200 Cr as per FI. It will be Overflow at best in the annual classification.
Distribution rights of #Housefull4 were sold at very High price to Fox Star Studio.
In India, It needed approximate ₹180cr to ₹200cr Nett collections just for Break-even. #KomalNahta#BOI
Its a commission earner. Nowhere close to overflow. Even if 80-90 cr is the all India cost, a 205 lifetime leads to a share of barely 100 cr which puts it in the 0-25% range. Coverage or commission. Fox star still needs solid overseas share & high satellite recovery to make commission on their 150 cr though.
BOI’s criteria as per their older version (new version mentions no criteria) was a combination of Cost : Nett ratio on the one hand & all India footfalls on the other. On paper this criteria seems fair enough (flawed nevertheless but nothing is perfect) but the extent to which BOI manipulates its own criteria is appalling. By this criteria, Ra.1 would be a Flop in the Cost:Share ratio & a Semi Hit as per footfalls, implying a final verdict of Average. Nowhere near being a Hit as Boi declared. By the same yardstick, HF4 with a cost of ₹ 150 Cr and a net of ₹ 210 Cr (40% multiple) would be Average and assuming the footfall have indeed crossed 1.5 Cr (based on 2018’s ATP and 6% inflation) the film is a Semi Hit at best. Even War when applied against the same criteria is a Hit, not a Blockbuster the way Boi declared (their obvious fetish for massy masala films prevents them from declaring Piku or Badla as Super Hits by their own yardstick).
I did say Overflow “at best” though which can’t be ruled out since Nahta uncle been lenient on certain big films over the last few years (like Ra1 being a Commission Earner to Overflow despite some of the distributors losing money).
Bala Has A Very Good Weekend
Monday 11 November 2019 12.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala scored a very good weekend of 42 crore nett with a solid weekend trend. The film started with pretty good collections and made very good gains on Saturday and Sunday especially on the former. The obvious comparison is Dream Girl and the collections are a little lower than that film but the real race between these two films is from Monday onward..
Bala has scored better numbers than Dream Girl at most of the bigger multiplexes but collections in mass centres and single screens were better for Dream Girl. That is not to say that Dream Girl did well in mass and singles, just it was a little better than Bala though in Gujarat the business of Bala was better. The main difference between Bala and Dream Girl is the business in North and Rajasthan where Dream Girl was better, the rest sees Bala a little ahead or both in the same range. Dream Girl collected 7.20 crore nett on monday and that is probably the target for Bala. The collections of Bala for the first weekend are as follows.
BOI: Housefull 4 had a decent third weekend of 9.50 crore nett which is a drop of 70% from the last weekend but it was mainly because of a huge reduction in screens. The total of the film is now 194 crore nett which makes it the highest grossing Akshay Kumar film in terms of NETT gross.
BOI and Producer’s total is almost same. Mere 2 Cr difference. Very good.
#Bala is rocking… Packs a fantastic total in its opening weekend… Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities – which were decent/good – join the party on Day 3… Mon biz crucial, will give an idea of its lifetime biz… Fri 10.15 cr, Sat 15.73 cr, Sun 18.07 cr. Total: ₹ 43.95 cr. #India biz.
2Cr on 44Cr is still 5% but main thing is Komal/Taran/BH/ plus addatoday/Kadel/Jaiswal all have 1 number and BOI has the lower outlier. I think with Bala its explanatory what’s happening. Instead of numbers everywhere like HF4 everyone has temporarily joined forces to be different to BOI. Like I said better to have most accuracy than a single source.
Yes, if BOI is shunned and we all agree for one source that’s the best.
But we should not make an exception for any movie if few people start calling Producers number to be fudged. Such things can be genuine and can also be paid negativity. Noone know which of the two. So if we stick to one source, we do it come what may.
I don’t agree in principle that one source satisfies everything! I’m not choosing my life partner here! LOL! I am also not divorcing BOI! I am claiming I have a brain to lay judgement on what looks and feels like the most sensible number. Not going with 1 source when I know each is flawed in different ways.
EXACTLY !!! This is what i have been doing for all movies, irrespective of the stars.
I am again resharing what source i pick based on what i have experienced over last 10-15 years of boxoffice tracking.
There are surely different level of boxoffice reporting. Here is my take –
1. Prediction – This is merely a guess. I usually like to read them but don’t consider them a serious affair, no matter from whom.
2. Daily reporting – Find BOI faster. Will shun BOI but at the moment BOI seems to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
3. Box office commentary – BOI is biased and selective. They can also be gutterish for few stars and lenient of few. Again this is hardly a point of reference for me.
4. Box office final collections – Most who give daily numbers (BOI and Taran) change when they get more data (in a week’s time or so from interiors/exhibitors/distributors, etc). Those who do not give daily numbers (Komal) don’t have to change. I will do not hold this much against BOI/Taran, though BOI changes more often as their data is their own and unlike producer’s it can change.
5. Box office classification – BOI is very inconsistent. Komal’s classification is not popular. Taran is the final word i guess and i stick to this.
Watched Hobbs&Shaw over the weekend; is it just me or War is far superior than Hobbs&shaw in every department? Yes, even the action scenes in War are far superior with much smaller budget. The more I see some of the hollywood movies, the more appreciation i’m having for War. I know it’s in style here for most to dish bollywood movies but i truly think that War is a game changer where it actually look and feels like a polished hollywood movie. Let’s appreciate it and get behind future outings that are well made instead of dragging it down just cause it doesn’t have your fav star in it.
Also watched Chichore. What a fine film. enjoyed it more than 3 idiots which also had similar setting. Chichore is more believable and looked authentic instead of smartalec displayed in 3 idiots. surprised Aamir didn’t do this film. At minimum he could have been a line producer in it and even do sushant role. with aamir in it, coming after Dangal, this movie would have probably done 200 core easily. Sushant actually looked like aamir in beard, and that was a horrible makeup on sushant. why was he made to look like real old when everyone else looked appropiate?
“with aamir in it, coming after Dangal, this movie would have probably done 200 core easily” ~ Dangal did 375 in 2016 and if this with Aamir sold the same number of tickets, it would have crossed 500 cr nett.
The worst part of Chichore is its title. Nowhere the word is even mentioned as joke or the story is about being Chichore. LOSERS would have been apt title!
Best thing about Chichore was that there was no ‘real’ central character. This really elevated the movie and makes it believable and authentic.
I also think producers made more money than they would have with Aamir Khan who would have siphoned off 60-70% ( as actor) and 50% (as producer) of the profit for an extra collection of 100-150 Cr or so.
Aamir is also not as experimental to come in a non-central character (unless protagonist is a child and hence not a threat).
Overall NGE made crores from the profit and more than War and did not dilute the theme by keeping Chichore a non-star centric. This is not easy.
While Joker has always been a memorable character for every artist whose portrayed one on screen, be it Jack Nicholson, the late Heath Legder, Joaquin Phoenix or even our very own late Raj Kapoor saab but none made it as memorable than our ROI profit star Shaitan Kumar when he did a movie named Joker with Shirish Kunder in 2012.
Jared leto is the one who is getting lot of bricks. Akshays version no one gives a damn apart from maybe Naveen, not even a Canadian actor based in Mumbai.
You are like the Bobby Deol of this group. No one really cares about what you express. The only time anyone bothers to comment on your content is when they want to say how lame it really is.
Bala Is A Huge Hit – Housefull 4 Super Strong
Monday 11 November 2019 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala is set to emerge a huge HIT as it collects 7.75-8 crore nett on Monday which will be a drop of just 15% from Friday. The five day business of the film is around 50 crore.
Housefull 4 is super strong and is practically in the range of its Friday collection of 2 crore nett. The drop will be hardly 5-10%. It should now cross the 200 crore nett mark by the end of the week.
#Bala crosses ₹ 50 cr… Remarkable hold on Day 4… Trends better than Ayushmann’s last hit #DreamGirl [Day 4: ₹ 7.43 cr]… Holiday on Day 5 [#GuruNanakJayanti] should only boost biz… Fri 10.15 cr, Sat 15.73 cr, Sun 18.07 cr, Mon 8.26 cr. Total: ₹ 52.21 cr. #India biz.
Looks like this will end at 210 Cr Nett All India. Bigger than Golmaal again but only by a whisker in nett collections and nowhere close to Gross.
If only HF4 had not got the negative campaign, what difference it would have made?
#Update: Kriti Sanon paired opposite Akshay Kumar in #BachchanPandey… Filming begins Feb 2020… Directed by Farhad Samji… Produced by Sajid Nadiadwala… #Christmas2020 release.
I doubt Salman and Aamir will do this. Wishful thinking. Seems out of courtesy RKS will ask. This is tailor made for Ranbir and Ranveer. Or Ayushman and someone else.
Shivaay – “While Joker has always been a memorable character for every artist whose portrayed one on screen, be it Jack Nicholson, the late Heath Legder, Joaquin Phoenix or even our very own late Raj Kapoor saab but none made it as memorable than our ROI profit star Shaitan Kumar when he did a movie named Joker with Shirish Kunder in 2012.”
😀 😀 😀
Dear Shivaay – You look quite ill informed otherwise you would never have said that.
Joker was a project gone wrong midway. It was supposed to be India’s first big 3D movie which couldn’t happen (Akshay finally aced it in 2point0). Script was changed midway by Shirish without informing the cast. Shirish played foul and Akshay dissociated himself immediately. Any other star would have quit the movie then and there.
However Akshay, being a producer’s star, completed the shooting and allowed the film to release. He however did not promote which irked director-wife.
Akshay’s fans quietly skipped this.
It is quite below the belt if you have spoken despite knowing this fact.
“Akshay finally aced it in 2point0” ~ in a rabid pile of junk that made Ra.1 seem watchable. Even Rajni & Shankar fans feel embarrassed after watching this but of course for the Baba Elichi fans of Shaitan Kumar from class C & D centers 2.0 is a Dark Knight reincarnate.
Wild & baseless accusations should not be paid heed to, esp when made by bygones. You can question his stardom but so far no one has even questioned Akshay’s integrity or discipline in any manner. We all know how the Tanushree/Nana Patekar fiasco ended up.
If there is any stupid blown up issue for #Metoo, its the Tanushree/Nana Patekar one. Totally pointless and unworthy of the movement. Tanu would have never gained anything whereas Nana on the other hand lost all movies and sitting at home.
Haven’t spoken to Nana in decades. Is he really losing movies/lost or replaced because of metoo??? Wasn’t aware of this since I thought he was always more interested in farming and was quite pre-occupied with that near Pune…
BOI: Housefull 4 had a solid jump on Tuesday due to Guru Nanak Jayanti. The film collected around 2.50 crore nett taking the collections to 197 crore nett plus. The film will close the third week at 200 crore nett or at least very close.
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If we just go by trending, then this has done better than Golmaal Again already. HF4 Nett is likely to be 210 Cr – 215 Cr.
BOI probably at 205 Cr. But media will take the higher value as per the norm.
“If we just go by trending, then this has done better than Golmaal Again already.” Because circus Kumar can never give a decent initial even for a comedy masala franchise releasing on Diwali & has to rely on trending to get a semi success (whether its Airlift or HF4 his films follow the same trajectory) and have his fans celebrate a film that records 50 Lakh lower footfalls than Golmaal 4.
Bala And Housefull 4 Are Hit On Wednesday
Thursday 14 November 2019 02.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala was hit with a big drop on Wednesday after the partial holiday as it went down 45% to collect 4.75-5 crore nett. It is still a good collection for a Wednesday but the first week will now be less than Dream Girl. Bala has a six day total of around 64.50 crore nett and the first week is looking at a total of 69 crore nett.
The film is on course to become a HIT but it will be the second Friday which will confirm it. The film cant afford to have this sort of drop on Friday now as that would take it to low levels. It will have competition for Marjaavan but that might not be too good at the bigger multiplexes and there is a chance that Bala could lead in these on Friday.
Housefull 4 also seen a big drop as it came down 50% from Tuesday to collect 1.25 crore nett to take its total to 199 crore nett. It will become the second comedy film is history to collect 200 crore nett at the box office and both of the biggest comedy grossers will be Diwali releases as Golmaal Again came on Diwali 2017.
– Pati Patni aur Wo with Bhumi and Ananya
– Imtiaz ali’s Aaj Kal with Sara
– Bhool Bhulaiya 2 with Kiara and Tabu
– Dostana 2
4 potential hits/superhits
The film will star Bhumi Pednekar and R Madhavan in the lead roles. Director G Ashok, who originally helmed Bhaagamathie will direct the Hindi remake as well. Akshay will do a small cameo and shoot for 7-8 days.
SATYAMSHOT 
November 7, 2019 at 4:11 AM
Housefull 4 Comes Through Heavy Negativity
Thursday 07 November 2019 12.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Housefull 4 released on Diwali to good enough public reports for the comedy in the film but the industry and the trade especially had issues with the film which is fine but then the attempt was there to portray the film as a flop or disaster when majority of the audience had actually liked the film. Hardly any exhibitor would have had an issue for the film as it was collecting well enough all over, the problem was with these reviewer types who then also give the collections also.
These type of reviewers generally believe what they say about a particular film is how the audience at large will see it but the audience is a far better judge than these people. This has been happening for years as the trade type of reviewers try to match the collections to their reviews. A Sholay was called a flop for almost 2 months despite going house full at practically every show and if the greatest movie ever can be attempted to be called a flop then what is Housefull 4. That was over 40 years back but still things don’t change with the reviewers today trying to call the collections as per their reviews of the film. Yes you do look a fool when you say the film is bad and then have to give its good box office collections but its something you have accept fast as eventually you will get egg on your face as the film continues to sustain.
They were further aided by by certain people in the industry who talked about inflated collections. It may be bad practice but the fact today is that for the past few years 5-10% inflation has become the industry standard and it was done by most films prior to the release of Housefull 4 and the release after Housefull.4. The industry people who talked about inflation have probably inflated their collections even more than Housefull 4 at times which was actually on the lower side if talking about inflation compared to many other films.
The only difference for Housefull 4 was that it was called out for this as insanely crazy low numbers were being filtered here and there while most other films are left alone. Some of this was just to create a nuisance and then there would others in the industry who would jump on the bandwagon trying to spread negativity and kill it while it is in the dull period. But there is the audience out there and if they find something interesting in a film eventually they will make it work no matter what is being said and that is what happened with Housefull 4.
This sort of thing also happened with Race 3 last year which was not as bad as it was made out to be with the only problem being it did not sustain so despite numbers being decent, the perception was not there do to dropping collections. Then there was Saaho (Hindi) and that did not sustain too well also but it still did a huge number for a South film in Hindi but there the dull performance in South was bought in to downplay the strong Hindi performance simply because the collections did not match the reviews.
Housefull 2 saw negativity at a higher level than those two films and this was happening as the film was actually working on all levels be it collections or with the audience and that become an issue as it was called a disaster on release. Also then there were certain camps in the industry which gave fuel to the negativity. Rather than give up and accept the facts the negativity even went on while it was doing huge numbers on the weekdays.
These people need a mental check up if they think box office collections will go as per their reviews especially as if they had a clue about what works and what not like they think they would be not be reviewing films but be the top filmmakers in the country. Some will even pretend that they have huge respect in the industry but today even the public is hard to fool that way let alone the industry. In most of the industry which makes the bigger commercial films the word for a critic is not critic but another Hindi slang word beginning with C. Obviously nobody says in open public but it is actually a fact within the industry. Yes there is the other side of the industry who need these types to push their films and here the critics come in use for them though it hardly helps in the long run.
Coming back to Housefull 4 it was pointed out that the film had inflated collections which is the case for 99% of the films released but only 1% get pointed out. It was also pointed out if this is not done then it would be better for the industry and there could be a little case there. But the bigger picture is that it should have really been pointed out was why is there so much negativity out there when the audience is coming in and liking the film as this negativity hits the bottom line which is revenue, not only for Housefull 4 but other films as well. Sadly this will not happen as its not about the betterment of the industry but trying to kill a film when you see a opportunity. Housefull 4 came through with flying colours but next time another film may not as this is not the last time it will happen.
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November 7, 2019 at 4:20 AM
This is brilliant analysis by BOI.
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November 7, 2019 at 4:28 AM
Many will get offended by this commentary because they have participated in the negativity during the pre-diwali weekend. So the C word would surely hurt them. But instead of learning, they are going to do more mud bath, and in the process dirtying themselves further.
The last para is towards Ronnie Screwvala. Ouch !!
Galat film pe haath daal diya Ronnie ne. I totally agree with BOI. Instead of highlighting the intense negativity which was unique, he chose to stoke the negativity by questioning the numbers which is more of a norm and hardly done for betterment of industry. 😀
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November 7, 2019 at 5:04 AM
I don’t think Ronnie is target, more likely Kadel as he shamed BOI specifically in a tweet indirectly.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:02 AM
ROFLMAO it completely highlights there interests. Although some of this article makes sense like equating HF4 with Sholay 🤐
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November 7, 2019 at 5:22 AM
Why do these people justify every single screen success with a defensive article? The commentary is as usual juvenile and reeks of insecurity.
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November 7, 2019 at 10:04 AM
I guess they’re the flag bearers of paan chewers & illiterates of the lowest common denominator, some of whom claim to be Sajid Khan fans on this forum & claim boi as their gospel.
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November 7, 2019 at 3:08 PM
Agree. But you missed to add Siddharth Anand along with Sajid Khan. Ohh wait. that’s not part of your agenda as War is a monument, isn’t it?
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November 7, 2019 at 3:58 PM
Never witnessed BOI hyperbole for Sid Anand films, none of which are for single screen audiences anyways. Its more for the gutter level junk like Saaho, HF, Golmaal and more of Shetty/Sajid and Milap Zaveri brand of cinema. As for War, neither is it for single screens and nor is it at par with HF4, it way bigger than that.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:25 PM
No one is above or below.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:37 AM
Nice to see BOI objective and calm as always. But here’s the money line:
“Coming back to Housefull 4 it was pointed out that the film had inflated collections which is the case for 99% of the films released but only 1% get pointed out.”
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November 7, 2019 at 5:43 AM
It takes BOI and HF4 for Satyam to return! Akshay’s definitely a megastar! 😛
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November 7, 2019 at 10:00 AM
Gigastar the word. Mega’s for the small timers 👏
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November 7, 2019 at 7:21 PM
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November 7, 2019 at 10:56 AM
lol!
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November 7, 2019 at 5:44 AM
Lol. They’re admitting to it. What if I cheated? I wasn’t the only one to do so!
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November 7, 2019 at 12:59 PM
Komal..
https://filminformation.com/you-asked-it/what-is-this-brouhaha-about-incorrect-box-office-figures-doled-out-by-the-producers-of-housefull-4/
What is this brouhaha about incorrect box-office figures doled out by the producers of Housefull 4?
– It’s much ado about something that’s been prevalent since years. Many producers do give out inflated box-office collections of their films but it is up to those reporting to correct them and put out the genuine figures. Frankly, not many so-called trade analysts and, of course, the self-styled trade analysts have the werewithal to get their hands on the genuine box-office collections and, therefore, either depend upon the producers for the same or randomly reduce the figures to appear unbiased. Both are dangerous moves. Film Information has a network of more than 200 representatives across India, to not just source the collections but also to verify those provided by the producers.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:04 PM
As i was always saying, one needs to have the infrastructure to claim some authority on the numbers.
Till then all extrapolating on excels and giving the numbers can chill.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:31 PM
FI has been prevalent since 46 years now. No other trade journal has the authenticity that they do. If there is someone who ought to put out data for films of the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s out for public knowledge its got to be FI and not some novice like Boi which chops & changes as per their convenience.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:47 PM
If they do daily reporting then pls share me their link.
Will shun BOI as at the moment BOI seem to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
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November 7, 2019 at 4:01 PM
Box office is not a T20, it a game of test cricket. Daily reporting is for hyperbole and 2 minute noodle couch potatoes. Long term box office reporting is slow, tedious and a patient exercise that’s only been mastered by FI but unfortunately, the magazine’s never found its way beyond industry circles unless you’re willing to pay out of your pockets!
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November 7, 2019 at 5:42 PM
“Daily reporting is for hyperbole”
Sorry, you are not living in real world then. Daily reporting is the most important and tracked after report by public and media.
When the fans throw around KRK and Kadel, it is upto Taran/Komal/BOI to keep the records straight.
Komal doesn’t, while BOI/Taran does.
Apart from these 3, nothing else matters.
And BOI is fastest among the three.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:41 AM
This article highlights the issues with Kadel and Jaiswals well. I said it last week, their numbers try to mirror their reviews all too often. I don’t understand why public trade analysts take their reviews so seriously when dealing with numbers. Box office is so simple, just report numbers without malice and mudsligging.
If they rate a movie 1* it doesn’t mean the numbers have to reflect the same.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:53 AM
“.. need a mental check up”
Lovely to see sensitive use of words on such a reputed site.
But what else can you expect from a site that used the word “midget” during Zero reports and indulged in blatant homophobia when it came to Ek Ladki Ko Dekha To Aisa Laga
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November 7, 2019 at 6:29 AM
Midget
Homophobic
Some sick hatred for small movies
Hatred of ‘European cinema’
Targeting trade analysts with articles like this and clown ones
What’s not to admire? And the logic is – they are negative on movie so must be under reporting but hey if the site is positive on movie there numbers must be correct!
People associated with BOI – be proud of their accomplishments!
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November 7, 2019 at 7:51 AM
Not to forget equating Aamir’s popularity in China to his far east Asian looks. Lol
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November 7, 2019 at 2:05 PM
The entire BOI commentary for Aamir has been shameful and gutterish.
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November 7, 2019 at 7:11 AM
https://twitter.com/SumitkadeI/status/1192358512145223681?s=2
The kids respond
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November 7, 2019 at 7:57 AM
Fact remains, be it the credible Boi (in Naveen’s definition, fan **Edited** of monumental giga star Akshay Kumar with zero highest annual weekends or top grossers) or the likes of Jaiswal or Kadel, they’re all a bunch of rogues with questionable credibility. Boi questions the authenticity of Trade guide and FI and calls their editors C’s and clowns when the fact remains, TG and FI have existed since the 70’s, a time when Boi’s editors might have been in their nappies. They have single handedly made a mockery of box office classifications and verdicts (Ram Jaane is a Hit, roflmao) & are a self proclaimed bunch of bull s’s with no verified data, authenticity and credibility apart from the somewhat accurate numbers they throw up on most occasions (just the numbers, not the verdicts. The lesser spoken of the commentary, the better).
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November 7, 2019 at 11:36 AM
That precisely I have commented; BOI was formed in 2003. All data used to be with FI and TG. And they use to give territory wise earning. No NETT was ever given (I have not seen anywhere, it is mostly rounded gross numbers). How come you have NETTs and on top of that footfalls for pre 2000 movies; only motive I can understand is they want to excite fanbases.
Footfalls can be calculated only when you know actual ATP; ATP can be calculated only when you have footfall in each of cinema and their grosses. Most of time they have NETT; they multiply with a constant to get Gross. Randomly guessed number is is used as ATP and you get footfall.
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November 7, 2019 at 11:54 AM
I’m still okay with random guesswork as long as you appreciate its an approximation instead of pretending to be accurate to the last possible decimal. HAHK footfalls could have been portrayed as 6-7 cr on their portal instead of displaying a figure like 7,39,50,000 or what not. Even as long back as 2006, a lot of the 70’s & 80’s data was manipulated to portray SRK ahead of Amitabh on most parameters and now on their current portal when they realize that AB might end up with 10 ATBB’s as per their current methodology, they refuse to put out pre 1994 data.
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November 7, 2019 at 12:41 PM
BOI own data on HAHK footfall was less than 5 crore (62 NETT) in old days; Now they have made it 7+ (69 crore NETT). What has changed in data to come to that?
It is suggesting they don’t have data. It is more of guess work or massaging of data. When you cannot calculate correctly pre-GST then how can you calculate for things before 2000. With GST, you can calculate Grosses easily. ATP would still be complex based on weighted mean (varying ticket price and occupancies across multiplex chains).
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November 7, 2019 at 3:22 PM
Munna,
There are surely different level of boxoffice reporting. Here is my take –
1. Prediction – This is merely a guess. I usually like to read them but don’t consider them a serious affair, no matter from whom.
2. Daily reporting – Find BOI faster. Will shun BOI but at the moment BOI seems to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
3. Box office commentary – BOI is biased and selective. They can also be gutterish for few stars and lenient of few. Again this is hardly a point of reference for me.
4. Box office final collections – Most who give daily numbers (BOI and Taran) change when they get more data (in a week’s time or so from interiors/exhibitors/distributors, etc). Those who do not give daily numbers (Komal) don’t have to change. I will do not hold this much against BOI/Taran, though BOI changes more often as their data is their own and unlike producer’s it can change.
5. Box office classification – BOI is very inconsistent. Komal’s classification is not popular. Taran is the final word i guess.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:44 PM
@Jayshah, @Krish @Rahul , Others – will also like to know your opinion on this.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:45 PM
I think only Jayshah got the messaging right. Others just indulged in mud bath, as i had predicted.
Barring Munna, who i admire for keeping his stand neutral no matter what (Kaise kar lete hain aap despite being an Aamir fan?), everyone else had jumped on the comments of KRK, Kadels of the world. Funny thing is the **Edited** – Shivaay, Tonymontana, Jugaado, Kunaal, etc are now dissociating themselves from the isolated critics.
Not liking a movie is another thing. That’s your personal choice. But bringing down a film is not. Ganda lagta hai.
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November 7, 2019 at 4:05 PM
Please quote even a single comment of mine on any of the forums where I refer to the pornographic equivalent of trade analysts like Kadel and Jaiswal. All through I have constantly maintained the only person I put my faith in is Komal Nahta due to his experience and “relatively” neutral & honest opinions.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:14 PM
Here is from the record: https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2019/10/23/housefull-4-saand-ki-aankh-minor-releases-the-rest-of-the-box-office/
Pls note how the tone and estimate changes with time.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shivaay Says:
“Even 150 would be a challenge.”
October 25, 2019 at 2:27 PM
“This is a poor opening. Seems like the negative word of mouth would disallow major escalations on the all important day 4 & 5.”
October 25, 2019 at 10:45 PM
“It is a poor performance bro. Although, we cannot deny that with the kind of reviews HF4 got, any collection at par with Race 3 would be a huge moral win considering what happened with TOH last Diwali.”
October 27, 2019 at 5:17 PM
“The only “moral victory” HF4 can now have is if it manages to outgross Race 3 with a 1.5/5 average rating to claim that its outgrossed Race 3 & Toh’s total despite carrying similar negativity in the trade circles (something that Saaho’s hindi version managed).”
October 28, 2019 at 8:06 AM
“175 would be a good result after all that negativity but if looked at from a stand alone, review independent point of view even 175 is a very underwhelming total for a film that not too long ago was being touted to be a genuine competitor to War as the highest annual grosser of 2019.”
October 28, 2019 at 2:12 PM
There are more…
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November 7, 2019 at 7:10 PM
Still stand by that. If your fandom blinds you to the fact that 210 lifetime is a below par total for a film that carried pre release buzz of breaking the collections of the highest grosser of the year thus far but ends up 90 Cr short, its nothing short of below par. Agreed it might not have gone as disastrous as initially estimated and had succeeded the likes of Race 3 & Toh, it doesn’t mean you make it sound like a Bahubali. Not matching upto Golmaal 4’s adjusted collections despite having a bigger star in the lead and being a popular franchise in itself is nothing to be going bonkers over.
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November 7, 2019 at 7:37 PM
You asked that’s why I shared. Glad that you accepted now.
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November 7, 2019 at 7:38 PM
Not liking a movie is another thing. That’s your personal choice. But bringing down a film is not. Ganda lagta hai.
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November 7, 2019 at 12:16 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awaara
Here’s an interesting piece on Wikipedia. Raj Kapoor’s 1951 classic Awara sold over 100 million tickets in Soviet & China and with a global viewership of over 200 Million its regarded as one of the most watched Hindi films of all time (might have a toss up with Sholay) and is easily Hindi cinema’s most successful overseas venture till date. The viewership in China during its initial run was 40 million which is similar to Dangal’s viewership in the same market, with Dangal obviously not having the luxury of repeat runs. Not just Awara but many other films of Raj Kapoor like Sangam & Mera Naam Joker among others have said to shatter box office records in the Soviet.
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November 7, 2019 at 12:18 PM
Bala all set to be another Ayushman hit?!
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November 7, 2019 at 2:49 PM
Absolutely and its crazy to even think. This guy is now winning hearts.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:18 PM
3.5 * rating
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November 7, 2019 at 2:20 PM
I really like the consolidated reviews in addatoday. They provide you with average critics rating and average public rating.
Here many more reviews are here. Another winner by Ayushmaan. He is next superstar now.
https://www.addatoday.com/2019/11/bala-movie-review-critics.html
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November 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM
thereviewmonk.com has more of these consolidated reviews, up to 25 of them at times.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:50 PM
Yes…had almost forgotten to check them.
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November 7, 2019 at 2:23 PM
Bala review from our very own Satyam –
https://twitter.com/AsliShiva/status/1192456267937320960
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November 7, 2019 at 2:35 PM
Ayushmaan Khurana is building some kind of solid assurance now. He is now hitting every ball out of the park. Now his hits are not small. They are doing superb business and multiples of its cost.
Just take a look at the movies he has done so far. Don’t remember which actor/star had such a fantastic first 15 movie line up. And this coming from ‘outside’ is unprecedented as those from inside and support from family/connections like Hrithik/Ranbir too don’t have such impressive beginning.
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November 7, 2019 at 4:55 PM
https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/movies/festivity-and-fudged-figures/article29912230.ece
” there are approximately 1,200 multiplexes (with multiple screens) all over India. In contrast, there are nearly 4,000 single screens that release Hindi films. “About 40% to 50% of them have traditional booking methods [of a ticket window],” says Kapoor. In the past, even multiplexes have refused to work with an analyst firm attempting to standardise practices. It results in the inability to track ticket sales invalidates an incomplete endeavour.”
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November 7, 2019 at 5:36 PM
BIG PICTURE IS MISSED
All these articles have missed the bigger picture of the paid negativity to pull down the collections of HF4.
From Komal to BOI, everyone is saying that 90% producers inflate their figures. So that’s not the rallying point.
The rallying point around HF4 should have been that the random throwing of low numbers (by Amod Mehra, Kadel, Jaiswal, KRK, and 25 others blue ticked twitterati + plenty other like from Khan market gang acting as trade analyst like Sohail khan etc) to show bad collections of HF4. They all started giving their own numbers which were far far lower than those of Komal or BOI. This was unprecedented. BOI and Komal had the courage to call it out. Taran resorted to non confrontational route.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:43 PM
That being said however, Bollywood Hungama is neither run by Kadel, nor by Mehra. This is the first time EVER that Bhungama is at least 10-15% short of Boi numbers. Usually its the other way round and Hungama is at par with Koimoi even for unrealistically inflated numbers like we witnessed during K3 & Raees vs Kaabil clash. Komal & Boi being on the same page is more of a relief, however going forward if we witness a film that sees 10% difference between Hungama, Boi & Nahta’s numbers with Taran taking a backseat (like he always does since the K3 fiasco) it would be mayhem. Hungama in general is as credible a source as boi while Nahta is the industry’s poster boy among the trade.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:15 PM
Whenever someone tries to cheat, they look for a new source and tries to build a story around it.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:25 PM
Bollywood Hungama is not exactly a new source. In fact its been around since before BOI. Anyhow, since Nahta and Boi are on the same page we’l obviously go with them for now. Hungama’s results however have been shocking on this occasion.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:40 PM
Taran use to write for IndiaFM (TG numbers..which Jay use to do his calculations); after BH takeover, I think he is independent.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:53 PM
I will also take exhibitors version next. They all have rallied behind HF4. Every single exhibitor from CEO of PVR, INOX, Cineplex to single screen owners of Bangalore, MP, UP, Maharastra, Rajasthan, Delhi came in support of the producers number. This support was unprecedented. They never did earlier but this time with HF4 they realised that things have been stretched too far when the reality is very good.
Unfortunately for some leftist reason, noone has written a proper article in mainstream media despite most credible names in the industry clearly asking for boycotting this paid negativity.
I mean look at this article by Hindu. What has it said which one doesn’t know. It is a complete piece of sham and nudges the paid negativity. Because the negativity questioned the numbers from credible sources to get away.
As BOI and Komal saif, HF4 survived but many films will not be able to do. Shocking!!
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November 7, 2019 at 6:28 PM
Don’t know about other films but if Nahta makes the circuit wise classifications of FI frm 1973-1999 out in the public domain, it would surely be hard for Boi & its cronies to survive who might wanna find excuses for branding their Khan’s as “Megastars” after witnessing what Amitabh & Dharmendra did during the 70’s.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:54 PM
For final classification, BOI / Komal is not popular. It is Taran’s classification that gets accepted.
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November 7, 2019 at 7:13 PM
Taran never gives year end final classifications barring the odd exception here and there. Nor are his classifications consistent with time. I remember him giving an All Time BB to Ready and Bodyguard at the time of release when those films were barely a Hit Plus.
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November 7, 2019 at 7:44 PM
He gives for every movie after its boxoffice run is complete.
Am i wasting time here?
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November 7, 2019 at 8:04 PM
Wasting time is attempting to explain logic to fans of a giga star who’d never give a historic opening or a historic lifetime grosser even if he acts in a Dhoom film. If u wanna call Ready an ATBB or Super 30 a Super Hit (mentioning HR’s film on purpose) or even a rank HIT like War a BB, good luck to you. You’d do well to go through those rediff archives to know what “real box office classification” looks like.
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November 7, 2019 at 5:56 PM
Oye Tri – the best jodi of the decade. Namaste London reloaded.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:03 PM
https://www.rediff.com/entertai/1998/feb/02hit.htm
https://www.rediff.com/movies/1999/jan/08hit.htm
https://www.rediff.com/movies/2000/jan/03box.htm
Here are some vital and insightful articles from the Rediff archives that categorically give us an idea on how box office & trade reporting should be. Unfortunately, if the likes of Taran & Komal got back to reporting territory figures and circuit wise Share : Cost ratio, there would be internet trolls and fans queuing up to use all kinda of gutter language to defend their favorites.
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November 7, 2019 at 6:44 PM
Komal site but written by someone else..
https://filminformation.com/featured/housefull-4-illusory-success-6-november-2019/
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November 7, 2019 at 7:18 PM
How can a success be called bad for the industry. Defies logic.
Here is the real narrative.
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November 7, 2019 at 7:31 PM
Wake me up when BOI writes such an article…I think I may just be having the greatest and longest sleep ever when it happens!
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November 7, 2019 at 7:47 PM
This will wake you up. 🙂
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November 7, 2019 at 10:29 PM
I think its fair to say HF4 has done very well contrary to initial expectations. Its a clean hit…Infact a more cleaner hit than some of Akshays movies like Padman etc which were said to be hit. Collecting close to 200 cr is a very good after all that bad mouth. Congrats to Naveen who read the trend perfectly
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November 7, 2019 at 10:41 PM
That doesnt mean they didnt manipulate. There was more than usual manipulation on more than 4-5 days but i think the makers thought the movie will flop and wont get breakeven. Even without the manipulation the movie is a clean hit
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November 8, 2019 at 4:41 AM
Manipulation is manipulation whichever way it is done. It’s not justified by ifs like they wanted to achieve breakeven but it then outperformed. It’s like me stealing to feed my family but then winning the lottery! Me winning the lottery doesn’t justify the stealing.
Anyway 2 week HF4 numbers all over the place
Kadel and Jaiswals have lowest at 148Cr (clearly a joke and a coordinated number)
BH has 167Cr
BOI has 185Cr
No idea what Komal and producer has!
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November 8, 2019 at 5:46 AM
I agree , i am not defending the manipulation. The movie would have been a hit even without it.
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November 8, 2019 at 10:59 AM
Whichever number, the trend has been good, solid. Unlike Race 3, Tubelight or TOH that collapsed after 1 or 2 days. No doubt with Diwali weekdays in 1st week its 65% second week drop is overstated and would be stronger if it was a normal release.
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November 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM
Yes, HF4 is clean hit irrespective of any number you believe. Also, clubbing Race 3 with TOH or Tubelight is incorrect. Race 3 worked at some levels mostly in interiors and went just little less than HF4. Tubelight crashed and ended at 120, same with TOH whereas Race 3 ending up around 165-170 crores with not so huge opening doesn’t give same trend as other two.
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November 8, 2019 at 11:13 AM
Yes correct
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November 7, 2019 at 7:34 PM
The ever reliable TOI Review: 4/5
Director Amar Kaushik tries to drive home the message about how our society mocks those who are different. The film tends to get preachy in the second half with the message about societal prejudices hammered down repeatedly. This takes away from the film’s fun quotient, but the story continues to engage the viewer, mostly due to Ayushmann’s stellar performance.
But overall, ‘Bala’ remains a light-hearted comedy with situations that are relatable. Just like the film’s message, ‘Bala’ is beautiful even with its flaws, and never fails to entertain.
Blockbuster Unloading !!!
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November 7, 2019 at 7:49 PM
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November 7, 2019 at 10:26 PM
Asuran, Jallikattu and EE. MAA. Yau. All three on prime now.
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November 8, 2019 at 7:38 AM
HF4 After 2 weeks
BOI – 185 cr
Komal nahta – 189 cr.
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November 8, 2019 at 8:50 AM
Jale mein namak aur wo bhi neem chadha.
HF4 has become a nightmare now. From Day 2 hold to Day4 turnaround to now the Komal’s number…it is like one of those weeks when one can only say – hey shiva…utha le re baba.
Jai Jai Bala o bala o bala !!
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November 8, 2019 at 10:13 AM
Ha ha ha…..
the Lal S Chadhhis are in a twist …
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November 8, 2019 at 11:36 AM
Rajen Sir ki kami poori kar rahen hain!?
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November 8, 2019 at 11:58 AM
There is only one Rajen , hum toh praja hain …..
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November 8, 2019 at 1:33 PM
Rajen is a moron (hopefully he is reading) and responds 🙏
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November 8, 2019 at 1:45 PM
Scatological humor is needed to bring him out of his exile 🙂
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November 8, 2019 at 9:39 AM
Biggest blockbuster of the year with Titanic word of mouth would struggle to cross 200 Cr despite being part 4 of a franchise. O Shiva the lord of lords, what days have u bestowed upon this digital age of morons & fools indeed!
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November 8, 2019 at 11:33 AM
Housefull 4 maintained very well in the second weekend. Collections during the weekdays were quite good. Overall, the film’s performance in week 2 was good. The second weekend started with Rs. 8.05 crore on the first day. Collections increased to Rs. 10.10 crore on Saturday. The Sunday total was an excellent Rs. 13.12 crore. In this way, the film netted Rs. 31.27 crore in the second weekend. Collections on the weekdays were as follows: Monday – Rs. 5.45 crore, Tuesday – Rs. 4.75 crore, Wednesday – Rs. 3.80 crore, Thursday – Rs. 3.15 crore. By adding Rs. 17.15 crore to its kitty during the weekdays, the film took its total for 2nd week to Rs. 48.42 crore. Grand total for 2 weeks: Rs. 182.67 crore.
https://filminformation.com/category/box-office/
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November 8, 2019 at 11:50 AM
Yes I wasn’t sure of the 189Cr considering Komal Nahta lagged behind in 1st week vs BOI. Either way seems BOI and Komal are in similar range.
Film Information has 187 centres reported for HF4 in first week, a hypothetical 64% (86Cr) of ACTUAL collections against the estimated total of 134Cr. So they estimate 48Cr. If I had time, I’m sure these are more data points than TG.
This is pretty comprehensive but some error which is acceptable if giving a range.
I’m pretty sure based on this detail Kadel and Jaiswals are very likely to be wrong.
Only way is to find a non debatable movies collections as a start. I remember my first was Tara Rum Pum – no Saif fans so not controversial.
I would recommend URI or Kabir Singh and from there the next Taran Adarsh or Komal Nahta can fly better than Kadel and Jaiswals.
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November 8, 2019 at 1:05 PM
I started putting data in xls and got tired after 100… 🙂
I guess once you start things would be easy. If you want that partial data, let me know.
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November 8, 2019 at 1:14 PM
Send it please – you know my email address.
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November 8, 2019 at 12:09 PM
Are Kabir Singh weekly collections available? I can only see stupid graphs
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November 8, 2019 at 1:11 PM
I thought of using War as screen count was similar…There is not much data for Kabir Singh first week
https://filminformation.com/category/box-office/page/13/
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November 8, 2019 at 9:11 AM
Bala Has A Pretty Good Start
Friday 08 November 2019 15.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
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Bala opened well with occupancy of around 25-30% though it was lower than Dream Girl as mass centres were less. Dream Girl also did not open well outside multiplexes in A centres but that film had had better music which probably gave it a better start in mass centres.
Still the film may have a chance to be similar to the Dream Girl number or maybe even a little better as it shoudl do better in the evening than that film in the bigger multiplexes. If the film had better music it would have easily gone past the initial of Dream Girl. The film is very wide release for the content that is going to around 3000 screens but despite the wide release it will probably remain a multiplex film in the A centres. The top openings this year in terms of initial occupancy this year till date are as follows.
1. War – 70%
2. Bharat – 60%
3. Saaho (Hindi) – 55%
4. Mission Mangal – 52.5%
5. Kabir Singh – 42.5%
6. Housefull – 35%
7. Gully Boy – 32.5%
8. Kalank – 30%
9. Total Dhamaal – 30%
10. Batla House – 30%
11. Dream Girl – 30%
12. Kesari – 27.5%
13. Student Of The Year 2 – 27.5%
14. Bala – 27.5%
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November 8, 2019 at 9:41 AM
40Cr weekend on cards minimum. Can Ayushman Khurrana finally get a 20Cr day on Sunday?
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November 8, 2019 at 9:51 AM
So a socially relevant Bala has opened better than Shaitan Kumar’s 2017 social drama Toilet (apt name for 99% of his films barring Neeraj Pandey productions and Jolly) which got a 20-25% opening. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised as pseudo nationalist Kumar has never opened well, nor has given a highest grosser in any format in any of the 28 years of his cinematic existence and nor is capable of breaking any records in the book barring quantity of films done thanks to his primarily B/C/D grade filmography till 2014.
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November 8, 2019 at 7:25 PM
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November 9, 2019 at 2:36 AM
Still unable to cross G4 gross despite all the hyperbole by ***Edited** kumar fans 🤣
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November 9, 2019 at 5:20 AM
that’s why Khaleel was such a dsaster in the first two matches.
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November 8, 2019 at 1:49 PM
Out of the three wise men, two are not very high on Bala.
Let’s see .
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November 8, 2019 at 1:56 PM
Also no one can predict how the Ayodhya verdict will affect the weekend collection in Hindi land .
# Jai Shree Ram !!
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November 8, 2019 at 2:26 PM
Nahta & Taran are positive. Its a safe project economically i guess.
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November 8, 2019 at 2:15 PM
Meanwhile Humara Tara crossing the Border again :
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November 8, 2019 at 3:04 PM
Ayodhya verdict tomorrow. Hopefully people will remain peaceful after the verdict.
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November 8, 2019 at 7:29 PM
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November 8, 2019 at 7:32 PM
Assuming that Bala earns AT-LEAST Rs 120 crore, 5 Ayushmann’s films have contributed Rs 532 cr at the box-office in a span of 13 months (Oct 2018 till Nov 2019). This is just a humongous number, considering that the combined production budget of all films is less than Rs 175 cr.
This style of work is what makes you No 1.
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November 8, 2019 at 10:05 PM
He’s still a kid but definitely making superb choices in scripts. His inspiration is of course the other initialed A.K that you posted yesterday.
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November 8, 2019 at 10:08 PM
https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/features/ayushmann-khurrana-praises-aamir-khan-reveals-choice-films-similar-megastar/
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November 9, 2019 at 10:08 AM
No it does not make you #1. It might make you popular among the trade and distribution circuit but to attain super star status the only factors that count are how many memorable, historic and all time level blockbusters you can deliver as an actor, not one’s which become hits through limited footfalls and an even limited budget. Economic feasibility might be your’s and your gossip circle’s yardstick for declaring numero uno’s (as that’s the only way Akshay Kumar can be declared uno since he’s always been and still remains completely incapable of delivering a historic grosser or a record opener) but for the audiences a Jitendra can never get bigger than a Dilip Kumar even after delivering double the number of hits, nor can an Emraan Hashmi be the uno between 2008-11 despite delivering 50-60 Cr grossers for 10-15 Cr productions and nor is Aashiqui 2 a bigger hit than Dhoom 3 or Chennai Express in 2013.
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November 9, 2019 at 3:59 PM
No 1, No 2 etc are comparative. Simple.
Numbers are like race, it doesn’t matter if you beat a record or not. You just have to be ahead of No 1.
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November 9, 2019 at 4:00 PM
Correction-
No 1, No 2 etc are comparative. Simple.
Numbers are like race, it doesn’t matter if you beat a record or not. To be No 1, you just have to be ahead of No 2.
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November 8, 2019 at 7:42 PM
Does any one knows when this was announced?
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November 8, 2019 at 11:00 PM
Appears a dull affair
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November 8, 2019 at 8:16 PM
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November 8, 2019 at 10:56 PM
So hilarious, is that you impersonating Akshay?
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November 9, 2019 at 4:18 PM
Haha.
Yes, it can be me…you never know.
Like you found Sumit Kadel among us … am sure there are many 🙂
Can you confirm if KRK is coming here too? He has been arguing with me a lot in the name of Om Namah …. 😀
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November 8, 2019 at 10:51 PM
After doing some investigation work…the Sumit Kadel was actually blogging at SS till couple years back. He knew of Jugaado from NG. I guarantee BOI people have been here or are!
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November 9, 2019 at 12:23 AM
who? I don’t know any Sumit Kadel personally
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November 9, 2019 at 5:33 AM
read some gems in notes…
http://web.archive.org/web/20040115134437/http://boxofficeindia.com/trade%20info.htm
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November 9, 2019 at 5:50 AM
Cover your ass notes.
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November 9, 2019 at 6:12 AM
This is 2003 snapshot of their website; They were acknowledging they were using FI as source.
Here they are using FI terminology and distributor share..
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202014811/http://boxofficeindia.com/bighits.htm
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November 9, 2019 at 8:47 AM
BOI on how MHN and KHNH were not hits. These days they call Yes Boss and Ram Jaane hits 😉
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November 9, 2019 at 10:16 AM
For me this site became a joke the day they declared MNIK and Ra.1 as hits way back in 2010-11. And once the new boi was launched in 2014 with films like Ram Jaane being declared hits, I knew it would be a laughing stock. They are shit scared of putting out 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s data on their portal as they’d lose classifications for Amitabh, Dharmendra and Dilip Kumar films from that era. Tbh, the now erstwhile ibosnetwork was a lot more accurate for the 70’s-90’s data.
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November 9, 2019 at 7:55 AM
Happy with SC verdict.
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November 10, 2019 at 1:44 PM
Yes. Time to move on.
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November 10, 2019 at 2:16 PM
This should have been resolved long time..
Having said that with more “knowledge” this is byproduct:
https://hackspirit.com/new-study-reveals-worlds-fastest-growing-religion-not-christianity-islam/
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November 9, 2019 at 8:58 AM
More fun facts from BOI. Hit count for Ajay/Akki went up by 8-9 after their last update. Rangeela went from being a 10 Cr Semi-Hit to a 20 Cr Blockbuster!
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November 9, 2019 at 9:54 AM
As per them, their data was city centric. Though, based on mass arras, hit count has increased for everyone. Ajay/akki in 90s were more dependent on small cities and mass areas. So, probably they received or estimated or accepted some data from mass centers. Which increased verdict for all but more for largely mass dependent stars.
As for Rangeela, there were two kind of verdicts floating for this in 90s. Some sat semi hit and some say super hit, it all depends on which side you are looking at.
Though, adding up small centers data , it added up big.
By mass centers, i dont mean only small cities or villages. Even, big cities had many cinemas which run semi porn or even rangeela like films but their chances of reporting data were less or very delayed and more relying on distributors’ report after many months.
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November 9, 2019 at 10:31 AM
You really think they came across new data for these films more than 20 years after their release? Come on…these guys just pull numbers and verdicts outta their asses. With Film Information putting up reported and unreported numbers/estimates online without any hysterical commentary, it’s time BOI is dumped for good.
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November 9, 2019 at 2:02 PM
Till the time there is no alternative portal that puts out data, figures, share and verdicts for movies going as far back as the 90’s (preferably even before) BOI will continue to be treated as India’s version of boxofficemojo by the public and media alike. Unfortunate but true.
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November 9, 2019 at 10:20 AM
This data is more accurate than the current junk they have put up. If someone has access to FI magazine down the years and put out their data from the 70’s to the 00’s, BOI would become non existent.
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November 9, 2019 at 4:42 PM
Ladte raho bhaiyon BOI ko lekar.
Wahan Ram Mandir bhi ban gaya.
https://twitter.com/dhaval241086/status/1193212996845092864
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November 9, 2019 at 4:48 PM
And this is EPIC.
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November 9, 2019 at 5:05 PM
Yup indeed. Hope this becomes a world heritage site in Ayodhya in days to come. Jai Shri Ram!
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November 10, 2019 at 3:35 PM
Could anybody please provide the link to this debate? It was nauseating to listen to NDTV and Republic TV debates…
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November 10, 2019 at 4:51 PM
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November 10, 2019 at 1:47 AM
should we have SC verdicts on box office classifications?
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November 9, 2019 at 4:01 PM
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November 9, 2019 at 4:02 PM
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November 9, 2019 at 4:11 PM
After the Teri Mitti…this is another addictive song.
Like at first hear. 🙌
फिलहाल तो यूं है कि कुछ कर नहीं सकते
तेरे बिन ही मरना होगा साथ मर नहीं सकते
सूखे से पत्ते हैं एक टहनी पर लगे किस्मत तो देखो कि झड़ नहीं सकते
फिलहाल तो यूं है कि कुछ कर नहीं सकते।
🌹💞
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November 9, 2019 at 8:52 PM
Bhau…aisa fan ho juska star usko tarsaaye nahin.
Glad that such fans are now reducing. Join the World.
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November 9, 2019 at 8:42 PM
Bala Has Excellent Growth On Saturday
Sunday 10 November 2019 02.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala showed excellent gains on Saturday as it grossed around 15.50 crore nett taking the two day collections to around 25 crore nett plus. The growth is around 60% which should mean a good hold on Monday and a HIT film.
The growth is less than Dream Girl but that is probably because that film was very good in Delhi NCR and East Punjab and these circuits grow the most on Saturday. Also Dream Girl was low in Mumbai and collections doubled there on Saturday. Bala had a better start than Dream Girl in Mumbai by around 30%.
The trend is similar to Dream Girl but that will only be known on Monday as that is when the actual trend comes into play because Saturday growth is big now for most films. Dream Girl grossed 43.22 crore nett over the first weekend and that will probably be the target for Bala.
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November 9, 2019 at 8:48 PM
BOI numbers are again more than all other traders by 2.5 Cr
Hope likes of Ronnie, Kadel, will attack BOI same was as they did for HF4.
It is exactly this king of agenda that i am fighting. There is certain payment to deny few stars like Akshay his due. This has been happening since his last 2-3 superhits. Hit ko average kar to, superhit ko hit.
Haar jaaoge!!
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November 9, 2019 at 8:50 PM
BTW, i will take this number as fine. Won’t lose my sleep over this like Shivaay.
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November 10, 2019 at 1:28 AM
Refer Day 2 of all sources.
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November 10, 2019 at 2:20 PM
Nothing to lose sleep over. I want Bala to cross ₹ 150 Cr net. Its an outstanding movie, best of the year alongside Uri in my opinion. Yami Gautam deserves to be a top rung star after these 2 films while Ayushmann is surely making the most of his limited urban popularity and playing exceptionally well to his image of an unconventional hero.
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November 9, 2019 at 9:33 PM
Kadel, Jaiswal, Taran, Komal all tweeted 10.15Cr for Day 1.
BOI has 9.5-9.75Cr for Day 1.
Day 2 check on day 3 morning when officially announced as till now Saturday is just evening estimate. So ‘officially’ BOI has lowest day 1 number not opposite way round.
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November 9, 2019 at 9:42 PM
https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movie/bala/box-office/#bh-movie-box-office
Joginder article
https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/box-office-special-features/bala-box-office-collections-day-1-bala-yet-another-major-opener-ayushmann-khurranna-bhumi-pednekar-yami-gautam-dinesh-vijan-amar-kaushik/
Everyone is saying same on Bala except BOI.
https://www.addatoday.com/2019/11/bala-first-day-box-office-collection.html?m=1
Addatoday
6 sources @ 10.15Cr.
BOI lowest @ less than 10Cr.
It’s pointless discussing Saturday numbers on Saturday evening as it’s only estimate. I will bet all 6 will be in line for Day 2. BOI let’s see.
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November 9, 2019 at 9:59 PM
Essentially 10.15 is producer number or it is really the NETT, which I don’t think everyone can come to same number.
Either you know the number to last digit or it should be range.
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November 10, 2019 at 12:43 AM
I’m guessing each analyst has there own numbers and producer – based on mood they pick what suits them! This time it might be some are going with 10.15Cr deliberately too avoid being close to BOI, some liked movie so will go with producers etc. Naveen will go with BOI because he thinks it’s highest when it’s lowest!
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November 10, 2019 at 1:26 AM
I was talking about day 2 number, and you picked day 1. LOL.
Kadel had said 14-15 Cr.
BOI day 2 is among the highest.
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November 10, 2019 at 2:25 AM
Can you please follow Twitter properly?
Every source throws out estimate on day and gives actual number on morning of next day. Kadel gave 14-15Cr estimate and then came out with 15.73Cr today. This is not rocket science!
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November 10, 2019 at 12:44 AM
40 cr+ weekend for Bala. Checking this one out soon.
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November 10, 2019 at 1:30 AM
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November 10, 2019 at 1:38 AM
Bala Day 2 is at 15.75 Cr.
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November 10, 2019 at 1:45 AM
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November 10, 2019 at 1:52 AM
https://www.addatoday.com/2019/11/bala-second-day-box-office-collection.html?m=1
https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/box-office-special-features/box-office-bala-quite-well-saturday-set-weekend-rs-45-crores/
https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movie/bala/box-office/
5 sources at 15.73Cr
BOI is 15Cr
Now BOI day 1 is 9.5Cr in today report. You can see the outlier…
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November 10, 2019 at 2:56 AM
Jayshah,
All are quoting Taran/Producer’s number.
BOI has its own number, which is slightly less.
So there is hardly an issue here with Bala.
The issue was with HF4.
For HF4, each source gave a new number other than Producer’s. From where they got, god knows. This hypocrisy is what is laughable.
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November 10, 2019 at 3:08 AM
We have established HF4 collections have different numbers.
Taran stopped reporting
BOI had a number
Komal did too
Addatoday followed Taran but had to stop and then used BOI or something else
Kadel and Jaiswal had same numbers
BH had a table
There is no hypocrisy. The bottom line is admitting to inflation doesn’t make it right. Accepting it is a cop out.
Bala everyone is same except BOI that is lowest.
For HF4 I’d say BH, Komal, BOI makes sense. For Bala it’s too early but BOI is outlier already. I’d pick producer.
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November 10, 2019 at 3:00 AM
Kadel conveniently changed his number once Taran gave his. Any way he doesn’t matter. Just pointing out that he did not do the same with HF4 and that’s an outlier.
Every producers hype their number a bit 10-15%. This has been told by Komal and BOI.We all know this now.
So if from producer’s numbers, BOI has it less by 10-15% less by BOI it is ok as long as their narrative is in line.
For HF4, MM, War, and several other movies, BOI has their number less by 10-15%. So that’s consistency.
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November 10, 2019 at 3:14 AM
He has used his discretion maybe for HF4 to point out inflation and been over dramatic about it. So yes he doesn’t matter for HF4. He showed his bias. So I ignore his HF4 numbers same for Jaiswal. This game IS NOT about picking the same source but about ascertaining the most accurate numbers. I don’t think that is rocket science either as BOI or any source has at some point cocked up so striking them off register for one or two errors you’ll end up with no options!
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November 10, 2019 at 10:46 PM
I am still unable to get my head around this
Noida Day 1 footfalls Bala – 8500
Total 10 cr
Noida Day 1 footfalls HF4 – 5000
Total 19cr.
Not just this day, every single day. Even the Diwali day. HF4 footfalls is only around 12000.
Not saying they have fudged every single day but can anyone give me a decent explanation of this outlier. Common sense stuff like wider release and bigger in mass centres dont explain this
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November 10, 2019 at 2:24 AM
https://www.filmcompanion.in/amitabh-bachchan/50-years-of-amitabh-bachchan-50-best-scenes.html
Doesn’t include what is arguably his most iconic scene but still…
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November 10, 2019 at 2:44 PM
Which one you referring to?
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November 10, 2019 at 9:20 PM
This one.
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November 10, 2019 at 3:06 AM
Housefull 4 Third Saturday Business
Sunday 10 November 2019 12.15 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Housefull 4 showed growth of 40% on Saturday and it should have been more but the film was hit by the Ayodhya ruling as those mass centres are among its better collecting areas. Also the likes of Mumbai, Pune and Bangalore which grow a lot on Saturday did not grow as they should as these are areas where the film is weakest. Still it is solid growth as it collects 2.75 crore nett and takes its total to over 189 crore nett.
Housefull 4 should become the highest Akshay Kumar NETT grosser either by the end of business today or sometime tomorrow.. The collections of Housefull 4 till date are as follows.
Week One – 1,35,86,00,000
Friday – 8,00,00,000 apprx
Saturday – 10,00,00,000 apprx
Sunday – 13,00,00,000 apprx
Monday – 5,50,00,000 apprx
Tuesday – 4,75,00,000 apprx
Wednesday – 4,00,00,000 apprx
Thursday – 3,50,00,000 apprx
Second Week – 48,75,00,000 apprx
Friday – 2,00,00,000 apprx
Saturday – 2,75,00,000 apprx
TOTAL – 1,89,36,00,000 apprx
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November 10, 2019 at 3:08 AM
Bala First Saturday Business
Sunday 10 November 2019 12.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala had excellent collections of 15 crore nett on day two with growth of nearly 60%. The collections are a little lower than earlier estimates as some cities were closed in UP, Rajasthan and MP due to the Ayodhya decision. It took the biggest hit in Bhopal which was practically all shut on Saturday.
Still the growth is very good and and it has 24.50 crore nett total in two days and should emerge a HIT as long as Monday holds. The collections are a little lower than Dream Girl but its really about what happens from monday onward when comparing the two films. The best growth for the film came in Bangalore and Pune where collections almost doubled while the film could have probably done better in East and East Punjab especially the latter as its a multiplex circuit.
The collections of Bala for the first two days are as follows.
Friday – 9,50,00,000 apprx
Saturday – 15,00,00,000 apprx
TOTAL – 24,50,00,000 apprx
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November 10, 2019 at 3:12 AM
Today Both the Bala has show superb jump.
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November 10, 2019 at 5:23 AM
BOI total is 189. Will just about cross 200 as per BOI & FI. Above average for a 150 cr+ production. Well short of the gross figure & footfalls of Golmaal 4.
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November 10, 2019 at 5:09 AM
Just finished watching Bala. OUTSTANDING! A must watch for everyone, stunning performances, brisk screenplay & memorable dialogues. A very relevant message as well. All about accepting yourself, however you are. 4/5 👌
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November 10, 2019 at 10:22 AM
Thanks for the feed-back Shivaay: Will watch it based on your feed-back:
Hopefully, it is not a re-make of this:
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November 10, 2019 at 12:06 PM
There might be traces of similarity but its not exactly a remake. Its got its own parallel story with a perfect Kanpur setting and more than just a balding guy’s challenges.
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November 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM
Ujda chaman is official remake of this kannada movie. Bala is original.
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November 10, 2019 at 3:59 PM
Fantastic.
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November 10, 2019 at 6:48 AM
Akshay is on a roll. Looking at 2.0, MM and HF4 business, his cap has now increased to 190-200 cr nett from is previous 130-140 cr range.
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November 10, 2019 at 10:17 AM
Always glad if things work out for this disciplined guy…
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November 10, 2019 at 2:32 PM
Consistently decent films over the last 3 years have surely made him a bankable star, however that being said I feel his popularity among his core fan base of class B/C centers during 2007-12 has gone down as he’s mostly done urban appeasing films of late (barring the Housefull franchise). I guess too many junk masala comedies in 2009-11 period resulted in declining popularity among the masses due to which he had to change track and focus on the A & A1 centers (which he’s managed quite well since Baby). But since majority of the B/C center audiences (which once patronized his films like Welcome & RR) are no longer interested in his films, even universal entertainers of his like Kesari, Jolly LLB 2 & Housefull 3/4 end up collecting mainly among the urban centers due to which his films are unable to get into the record breaking/huge grossing zone that Salman & Aamir have dominated over the last 11 years & which Ranbir & Ranveer discovered with Sanju & Padmaavat while Hrithik rediscovered with War after over a decade.
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November 10, 2019 at 2:36 PM
Bala’s ticket at a Bangalore multiplex mentions ₹ 305 net for a ₹ 360 ticket with ₹ 55 contributing towards CGST & SGST. Applying the same yardstick to HF4, it if collects ₹ 205 Cr net (same as G4) its lifetime gross should be around ₹ 242 Cr which is 22 Cr short of G4’s lifetime of 264 Cr gross after 2 years of release. The year’s highest grosser WAR would have a gross of ₹ 360 Cr in the Hindi version which is still ₹ 70 Cr short of last year’s highest grosser Sanju’s gross number of ₹ 430 Cr.
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November 10, 2019 at 4:00 PM
A spy thriller like Baby…Bring it on. Excellent choice once again by Akshay.
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November 10, 2019 at 4:02 PM
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November 10, 2019 at 4:22 PM
August 2019-May 2020, 5 films in 10 months. November 2020-Jan 2021, 3 films in 3 months! This guy’s gone nuts. I guess he wants to break AB’s record of number of films acted in before he turns 60.
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November 10, 2019 at 4:11 PM
I think both the AK’s have decided to make the rest of the industry completely berozgaar irrespective of their box office records 😛
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November 10, 2019 at 5:39 PM
They dont make anyone berozgaar. On the contrary, they are strong bearer of berozgaar for half of the industry surely.
But, if u think aamir/stk are the industry, then no one can employ them but themselves.
Also, star kids like hrithik, ranbeer etc are to be blamed alongwith their egos and laziness, they want biggest projects and if they cant recover biggest projects, they can come together. Also, they behave like very choosy but i can barely find any memorable films of them. Multi starrer era is gone, unfortunately likes of hrithik can pair up only if they are given prominent roles. Also, they lack discipline.
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November 10, 2019 at 5:40 PM
I mean * they are strong bearer of roozgaar for half of the industry surely.
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November 10, 2019 at 7:08 PM
“Also, they lack discipline.” ~ and u know them personally or track their lifestyle to say that? Everyone has different ways of functioning, i’m sure u function in ways different from your colleagues too. Doesn’t make someone lazy or active. Also, why so serious?
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November 10, 2019 at 7:27 PM
If a particular artist, be it Ranbir, HR or Aamir refuse to sign more than one film in 2 years, does not imply they’re being lazy. They might have other avenues in life to focus on than just sticking to one. You or me are no one to decide. My comment was made on a lighter note, certainly not with the intention of degrading any particular artist or his work.
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November 10, 2019 at 4:17 PM
Is this the remake of the Kannada film Bell Bottom?
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November 10, 2019 at 5:22 PM
No don’t think so: That was a detective movie – a fantastic movie: I wrote something about it here — can’t find it now. This appears to be a spy movie.
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November 10, 2019 at 5:59 PM
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November 10, 2019 at 6:03 PM
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November 10, 2019 at 6:19 PM
Here it is…
On Bell Bottom & a heart-felt capturing of the essence of ‘retro’
Spoiler Alert
Bell Bottom is one hilariously enjoyable film that captures the small-town details of the ’80s. It’s the story of constable trying to get a name for himself; more importantly, that he’s fit for the big boots of a detective rather than the stymied shoes of a police constable: The path to that? As a kid, you just read detective novels and watch Kannada movies like Dr. Rajkumar’s Goadalli CID 99 and learn from them. The have all answers, according to Diwakar. His father thinks it’s insane that his son has these fantastic brain-waves of turning a detective with such magnificent tools as study materials and keeps advising him to at least prove himself a constable. He solves a case—his first case— regarding a woman’s husband’s death, which in reality, is a hilarity the way it is solved. [But remember, this is the early ’80s, and this is a small town near Teerthahalli, and the police station is an organized mess scrambled with old papers and tied-up files; so the fact the Diwakar took the pains to go the library and uses the science of maggots in solving, and, more importantly, explaining how he solved the case is admirable to his juniors and his senior inspector, while being comical to the audience.] Having solved the case, he now gets a pat on his back— the senior inspector says he has ‘head-office’ – just remember the ‘meta’ here; here the inspector talks of capability, on the other hand, it actually represents the bureaucracy of the ’80s in India, where, whether you work in a bank or the post-office, ‘head-office’, meant promotion— and is assigned a bigger case; of finding out the master-minds and actors behind the looting of confiscated moolah and stored safely in the local police stations. How he goes about it, and how he catches the culprits forms the rest of the story, inter-laced with damn interesting and quirky characters, some terrific lines, some with more so double-entendre smacked lines between the father-son duo of Achyut Kumar and Rishabh Shetty’s Diwakar.
What boggles the audience is the amount of research and detailing that’s gone into re-creating the small-town milieu, late ’70s and early ’80s dependent retro-setting: Whether it’s the auto-rickshaw having Dr. Rajkumar’s movies’ posters at the back of an auto-rickshaw; or a character drinking Napoleon brandy; or the innumerable posters of Kannada cinemas of the ’70s and ’80s, or the Doordarshan music playing in the background while a guy goes to the terrace to experimentally shift the antenna in the right direction—this is done with respect, not like in the seeking-nirvana-by-scuba-diving in Spain crap—; whether it’s the fine placement of a Nirma washing-powder packet; whether it’s changing radio-stations on a transistor; whether it’s Diwakar trying to fix a cassette-tape using a pencil; whether it is Don’s song playing in a bar; whether it’s the heroine Haripriya’s Kusuma driving a luna, the film is filled with such metas justifying the retro-setting. Come to think of it, all that Diwakar asks his seniors the resources to solve this case is a – Jawa motorcycle!! It’s a way for him to ‘speedily’ reach places—Kusuma has a luna; he needs a better vehicle! [He does his own research in a library; asks nothing from the police department on that front, a terrific dichotomy if you think of it.]
Out of the quirky characters, the one that is a hoot is ‘Sagni’ [meaning cow-dung in Kannada] who keeps mouthing lines of famous Kannada poets/philosophers/humorists from Karnataka like D. R. Bendra, Kuvempu, and Beechi. And then you have, well, almost everyone! Right from the father, to the 3 senior cops, to Yograj Bhatt’s toddy-drinking erst-while criminal. [When the cop asks for his help/experience to rob a police station, his expression when he asks one of his five wives to remind him of the English word that ends in ‘ball’ – impossible – is one to die for.]
But the way director Jayatheertha visually slithers the movie using techniques like flash-backs and red-herring in front of our eyes is highly commendable. There is such minute but fantastic flourishes; in a scene when the superior is praising Diwakar while both are smoking, the senior puffs and breathes out the smoke on Diwakar’s face; Diwakar takes the same cigarette, smokes, but puffs and breathes out the smoke out onto the ground, essentially capturing the undeniable hierarchy levels! There is praise, but the hierarchy still needs to be maintained! This movie is a consummate union of screen-play and direction. Of course, there’s no denying that having a cultural/colloquial understanding of the Karnatak state and its various dialects and its cultural variations, one would enjoy the movie more. Having watched this movie in DC, with sub-titles, I was pleasantly surprised to see better quality of sub-titles, unlike the pathetic sub-titles that Tamil movies provide.
Finally, as Diwakar, Rishabh Shetty simply owns the film. He brightens the screen as a simpleton trying to solve problems like Nasiruddin Hodja, wears trench-coat and hat like Inspector Clouseau, and doesn’t forget to occasionally switch from cigarettes to pipes as an ode to Sherlock Holmes. This is a great performance, and he gives it all.
It’s been a long, long, long, time since I enjoyed a retro movie from India since Once Upon a Time in Mumbai and Special 26 in Hindi.
The sound-track is to kill for, especially the folk song Aadhi Jyothi Banyo
Truly impressive and unmissable.
P.S.:
I wouldn’t want to reveal that the central ‘mechanics of the story is tied to a Hindi film of an age-less superstar: Guess you can figure it out.
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November 10, 2019 at 6:49 PM
Top 5 star in Hindi Cinema: Ayushmaan makes an entry
No 1: Akshay Kumar. He is on a roll. He is outsmarting, outthinking and outnumbering his competition. Over 550 Cr in 2019 and 700 Cr in last 12 months. One Blockbuster (Mission Mangal), Two Superhits (2point0 [Hindi], Housefull 4) One Hit (Kesari) and this is after series of clean hits from 2016.
Superhit 2016: Airlift, Housefull3, Rustom
Superhit 2017: Jolly LLB2, Toilet Ek Prem Katha
HIT 2018: Padman, 2point0, Gold
Superhit 2019: Kesari, Mission Mangal, HF4
No 2: Salman Khan – Bharat is a hit in 2019. He is fighting it back with his Eid announcement. His best days were from 2010-2016. Since then he is not able to match his best performance. Tubelight (2016 Eid), Race3 (2017 Eid) were average. Tiger Zinda Hai (2017, Christmas) was blockbuster. Enough to be at No 2 but not enough when the competition is bombarding HITs/Super Hits quarter after quarter.
No 3 Hrithik Roshan – Super30 is a hit and War a blockbuster. A good year after almost a decade. However this position might be short lived as Roshan has no movies in the horizon and competition from Ayushmaan and Ranveer is blazingly hot.
No 4 Ranveer Singh – Padmaavat, Simmba and Gully Boys has seen him to be at No 3 earlier. One more movie in 2019 would have surely helped Ranveer. However he will naturally climb up if competition fails to run. All eyes on ’83.
No 5 Ayushmaan Khurana – He edges past Ranbir, Tiger and Shahid with his fantastic array of hits/superhits. He is the star to watch out. His growth as actor and star has been the most amazing thing since last 2-3 years. Bala is a HIT. If it does 150 Cr+ then he will climb above Ranveer and become No 4.
Blockbuster 2018- Andhadhun, Badhaai Ho
Superhit 2019- Article 15, Dream Girl, Bala
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November 10, 2019 at 7:11 PM
Padman, Gold = Hit? Kesari, HF4 = Super Hit? Roflmao! Your classifications are even worse than BOI’s spoon feeding. I guess you have terms like “All time historic blockbuster of magnanimous proportions” for BB2 and “All time legendary blockbuster” for Dangal if Kesari and HF4 is what u call a Super Hit!
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November 11, 2019 at 1:05 AM
** Please read point No 5 **
There are surely different level of boxoffice reporting. Here is my take –
1. Prediction – This is merely a guess. I usually like to read them but don’t consider them a serious affair, no matter from whom.
2. Daily reporting – Find BOI faster. Will shun BOI but at the moment BOI seems to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
3. Box office commentary – BOI is biased and selective. They can also be gutterish for few stars and lenient of few. Again this is hardly a point of reference for me.
4. Box office final collections – Most who give daily numbers (BOI and Taran) change when they get more data (in a week’s time or so from interiors/exhibitors/distributors, etc). Those who do not give daily numbers (Komal) don’t have to change. I will do not hold this much against BOI/Taran, though BOI changes more often as their data is their own and unlike producer’s it can change.
5. Box office classification – BOI is very inconsistent. Komal’s classification is not popular. Taran is the final word i guess and i stick to this.
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Here I have not given classification for individual films.
Just group it year wise and classified the year on an average for an easy interpretation of year on year impact.
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November 11, 2019 at 1:09 AM
I guess if Tubelight is average (this is the movie when SKF returned a huge sum of money to distributors?), then Salman has never had a flop ever? In this world even I have a blockbuster!
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November 11, 2019 at 1:13 AM
Very convenient and an equal exercise in pointlessness too. I’m sure Aamir & Srk are having sleepless nights after reading your comment & HR would sign 3 films immediately to be in your good books 😉
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November 11, 2019 at 2:41 AM
Either they should sign more films which does well or hope others’ movies flops.
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November 11, 2019 at 2:42 AM
This is needed if their fans want them to be No 1.
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November 11, 2019 at 3:06 AM
And their only interest in life lies in pleasing their rabid online fans (tbh the genuine fans of good cinema, urban or massy don’t bother with obsessive fanhood) which neither them nor anyone else has any obligation towards.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:28 AM
Except Salman, most stars are not bothered about No 1.
However, 99% fans of stars are bothered about No 1.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:44 AM
I really don’t care – deep down we all know the truth. Rest is all Hitler style propaganda.
Irony is this. You treat BOI as gospel. You celebrate 200cr of producer, have your own verdicts/top star list which is different to BOI! So it’s all much ado about nothing.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:46 AM
Look I do it irrespective of stars and for all movies.
My take on BOI /Taran/komal is shared. I am taking what i feel is best.
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November 10, 2019 at 10:05 PM
Article15 was Not superhit, but barely average.
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November 11, 2019 at 1:08 AM
This is what is being followed by most :
If the Distributor’s cost is X
Then a movie is a HIT if nett collection = 2X
Superhit if nett > 2.5X or a huge grosser
Blockbuster if nett > 3X or a huge grosser
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November 11, 2019 at 1:16 AM
HF4 is bought for 150 cr global by fox star. So it needs 425 cr to be a superhit by your own confession. Your entire comment falls flat on its face. Good luck!
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November 11, 2019 at 1:18 AM
Distributors cost is 80-90 Cr.
So 180 Cr was needed.
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November 11, 2019 at 1:58 AM
180-200 Cr Nett was needed just for break-even according to Nahta. It will barely cross 200 Cr as per FI. It will be Overflow at best in the annual classification.
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November 11, 2019 at 2:39 AM
Nahta’s classification criteria is different.
What i mentioned is what i see acceptable to trade verdicts now and the same being reported everywhere.
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November 11, 2019 at 3:02 AM
Its a commission earner. Nowhere close to overflow. Even if 80-90 cr is the all India cost, a 205 lifetime leads to a share of barely 100 cr which puts it in the 0-25% range. Coverage or commission. Fox star still needs solid overseas share & high satellite recovery to make commission on their 150 cr though.
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November 11, 2019 at 3:29 AM
Hmm. Have BOI mentioned anywhere that they are using the above criteria?
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November 11, 2019 at 3:42 AM
BOI’s criteria as per their older version (new version mentions no criteria) was a combination of Cost : Nett ratio on the one hand & all India footfalls on the other. On paper this criteria seems fair enough (flawed nevertheless but nothing is perfect) but the extent to which BOI manipulates its own criteria is appalling. By this criteria, Ra.1 would be a Flop in the Cost:Share ratio & a Semi Hit as per footfalls, implying a final verdict of Average. Nowhere near being a Hit as Boi declared. By the same yardstick, HF4 with a cost of ₹ 150 Cr and a net of ₹ 210 Cr (40% multiple) would be Average and assuming the footfall have indeed crossed 1.5 Cr (based on 2018’s ATP and 6% inflation) the film is a Semi Hit at best. Even War when applied against the same criteria is a Hit, not a Blockbuster the way Boi declared (their obvious fetish for massy masala films prevents them from declaring Piku or Badla as Super Hits by their own yardstick).
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November 11, 2019 at 4:04 AM
I did say Overflow “at best” though which can’t be ruled out since Nahta uncle been lenient on certain big films over the last few years (like Ra1 being a Commission Earner to Overflow despite some of the distributors losing money).
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November 11, 2019 at 5:14 AM
Ra.1 producers definitely filled the coffers of the entire trade & media alike to circulate weird stories like UK subsidy & commission earner in certain circuits.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.koimoi.com/box-office/salman-khan-s-bodyguard-biggest-hit-83-percent-bollywood-films-flopped-in-2011/amp/
Ironically Nahta himself mentions Ra.1 is losing in some circuits yet gave it a commission to overflow!
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November 11, 2019 at 4:17 AM
Bala Has A Very Good Weekend
Monday 11 November 2019 12.00 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala scored a very good weekend of 42 crore nett with a solid weekend trend. The film started with pretty good collections and made very good gains on Saturday and Sunday especially on the former. The obvious comparison is Dream Girl and the collections are a little lower than that film but the real race between these two films is from Monday onward..
Bala has scored better numbers than Dream Girl at most of the bigger multiplexes but collections in mass centres and single screens were better for Dream Girl. That is not to say that Dream Girl did well in mass and singles, just it was a little better than Bala though in Gujarat the business of Bala was better. The main difference between Bala and Dream Girl is the business in North and Rajasthan where Dream Girl was better, the rest sees Bala a little ahead or both in the same range. Dream Girl collected 7.20 crore nett on monday and that is probably the target for Bala. The collections of Bala for the first weekend are as follows.
Friday – 9,50,00,000 apprx
Saturday – 15,00,00,000 apprx
Sunday – 17,50,00,000 apprx
TOTAL – 42,00,00,000 apprx
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November 11, 2019 at 4:18 AM
BOI: Housefull 4 had a decent third weekend of 9.50 crore nett which is a drop of 70% from the last weekend but it was mainly because of a huge reduction in screens. The total of the film is now 194 crore nett which makes it the highest grossing Akshay Kumar film in terms of NETT gross.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:23 AM
HF4 producer’s total is at 199Cr. Today it will cross 200 Cr. Hey by the time you read, it is crossing from 199.9 to 200Cr. Congrats!!
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November 11, 2019 at 4:34 AM
BOI and Producer’s total is almost same. Mere 2 Cr difference. Very good.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:40 AM
2Cr on 44Cr is still 5% but main thing is Komal/Taran/BH/ plus addatoday/Kadel/Jaiswal all have 1 number and BOI has the lower outlier. I think with Bala its explanatory what’s happening. Instead of numbers everywhere like HF4 everyone has temporarily joined forces to be different to BOI. Like I said better to have most accuracy than a single source.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:44 AM
Yes, if BOI is shunned and we all agree for one source that’s the best.
But we should not make an exception for any movie if few people start calling Producers number to be fudged. Such things can be genuine and can also be paid negativity. Noone know which of the two. So if we stick to one source, we do it come what may.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:54 AM
I don’t agree in principle that one source satisfies everything! I’m not choosing my life partner here! LOL! I am also not divorcing BOI! I am claiming I have a brain to lay judgement on what looks and feels like the most sensible number. Not going with 1 source when I know each is flawed in different ways.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:56 AM
EXACTLY !!! This is what i have been doing for all movies, irrespective of the stars.
I am again resharing what source i pick based on what i have experienced over last 10-15 years of boxoffice tracking.
There are surely different level of boxoffice reporting. Here is my take –
1. Prediction – This is merely a guess. I usually like to read them but don’t consider them a serious affair, no matter from whom.
2. Daily reporting – Find BOI faster. Will shun BOI but at the moment BOI seems to be most reliable (despite its inconsistencies) for daily reportings.
3. Box office commentary – BOI is biased and selective. They can also be gutterish for few stars and lenient of few. Again this is hardly a point of reference for me.
4. Box office final collections – Most who give daily numbers (BOI and Taran) change when they get more data (in a week’s time or so from interiors/exhibitors/distributors, etc). Those who do not give daily numbers (Komal) don’t have to change. I will do not hold this much against BOI/Taran, though BOI changes more often as their data is their own and unlike producer’s it can change.
5. Box office classification – BOI is very inconsistent. Komal’s classification is not popular. Taran is the final word i guess and i stick to this.
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November 11, 2019 at 5:31 AM
If u pick on Taran’s word for classifications then please accept that Ready & Bodyguard are ATBB’s and have the same verdict as 3 Idiots & Dangal 😛
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November 11, 2019 at 7:11 AM
Watched Hobbs&Shaw over the weekend; is it just me or War is far superior than Hobbs&shaw in every department? Yes, even the action scenes in War are far superior with much smaller budget. The more I see some of the hollywood movies, the more appreciation i’m having for War. I know it’s in style here for most to dish bollywood movies but i truly think that War is a game changer where it actually look and feels like a polished hollywood movie. Let’s appreciate it and get behind future outings that are well made instead of dragging it down just cause it doesn’t have your fav star in it.
Also watched Chichore. What a fine film. enjoyed it more than 3 idiots which also had similar setting. Chichore is more believable and looked authentic instead of smartalec displayed in 3 idiots. surprised Aamir didn’t do this film. At minimum he could have been a line producer in it and even do sushant role. with aamir in it, coming after Dangal, this movie would have probably done 200 core easily. Sushant actually looked like aamir in beard, and that was a horrible makeup on sushant. why was he made to look like real old when everyone else looked appropiate?
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November 11, 2019 at 12:22 PM
“with aamir in it, coming after Dangal, this movie would have probably done 200 core easily” ~ Dangal did 375 in 2016 and if this with Aamir sold the same number of tickets, it would have crossed 500 cr nett.
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November 11, 2019 at 1:36 PM
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November 11, 2019 at 1:56 PM
The worst part of Chichore is its title. Nowhere the word is even mentioned as joke or the story is about being Chichore. LOSERS would have been apt title!
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November 11, 2019 at 5:43 PM
Best thing about Chichore was that there was no ‘real’ central character. This really elevated the movie and makes it believable and authentic.
I also think producers made more money than they would have with Aamir Khan who would have siphoned off 60-70% ( as actor) and 50% (as producer) of the profit for an extra collection of 100-150 Cr or so.
Aamir is also not as experimental to come in a non-central character (unless protagonist is a child and hence not a threat).
Overall NGE made crores from the profit and more than War and did not dilute the theme by keeping Chichore a non-star centric. This is not easy.
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November 11, 2019 at 12:17 PM
https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/hollywood/story/joaquin-phonix-s-joker-earns-953-million-to-become-most-profitable-comic-film-ever-1617319-2019-11-09
While Joker has always been a memorable character for every artist whose portrayed one on screen, be it Jack Nicholson, the late Heath Legder, Joaquin Phoenix or even our very own late Raj Kapoor saab but none made it as memorable than our ROI profit star Shaitan Kumar when he did a movie named Joker with Shirish Kunder in 2012.
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November 12, 2019 at 8:46 AM
Jared leto is the one who is getting lot of bricks. Akshays version no one gives a damn apart from maybe Naveen, not even a Canadian actor based in Mumbai.
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November 12, 2019 at 5:11 PM
You are like the Bobby Deol of this group. No one really cares about what you express. The only time anyone bothers to comment on your content is when they want to say how lame it really is.
Story of Jeevcy since NG!
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November 12, 2019 at 5:48 PM
That is a personal comment…BTW You are welcome over here and interact with him 🙂
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November 14, 2019 at 1:09 AM
oh, looks like somebody’s got their knickers in a knot. Due to severe beating on NG at the hands of the Bobby Deol of the group. Don’t cry.
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November 11, 2019 at 4:13 PM
Bala Is A Huge Hit – Housefull 4 Super Strong
Monday 11 November 2019 23.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala is set to emerge a huge HIT as it collects 7.75-8 crore nett on Monday which will be a drop of just 15% from Friday. The five day business of the film is around 50 crore.
Housefull 4 is super strong and is practically in the range of its Friday collection of 2 crore nett. The drop will be hardly 5-10%. It should now cross the 200 crore nett mark by the end of the week.
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November 12, 2019 at 1:54 AM
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November 12, 2019 at 4:18 PM
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November 12, 2019 at 9:11 PM
Looks like this will end at 210 Cr Nett All India. Bigger than Golmaal again but only by a whisker in nett collections and nowhere close to Gross.
If only HF4 had not got the negative campaign, what difference it would have made?
https://www.instagram.com/kritisanon/?utm_source=ig_embed
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November 12, 2019 at 9:14 PM
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November 12, 2019 at 5:47 AM
https://in.style.yahoo.com/akshay-kumar-rohit-shetty-major-072112995.html
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November 12, 2019 at 5:50 AM
There is a video of Shetty and Kumar mocking this fake news.
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November 12, 2019 at 8:53 AM
https://in.style.yahoo.com/rajkumar-santoshi-confirms-andaz-apna-083409810.html
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November 12, 2019 at 8:54 AM
https://in.style.yahoo.com/rajkumar-santoshi-confirms-andaz-apna-083409810.html
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November 12, 2019 at 9:12 AM
I doubt Salman and Aamir will do this. Wishful thinking. Seems out of courtesy RKS will ask. This is tailor made for Ranbir and Ranveer. Or Ayushman and someone else.
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November 12, 2019 at 6:13 PM
#PhirSeGalatBola
Shivaay – “While Joker has always been a memorable character for every artist whose portrayed one on screen, be it Jack Nicholson, the late Heath Legder, Joaquin Phoenix or even our very own late Raj Kapoor saab but none made it as memorable than our ROI profit star Shaitan Kumar when he did a movie named Joker with Shirish Kunder in 2012.”
😀 😀 😀
Dear Shivaay – You look quite ill informed otherwise you would never have said that.
Joker was a project gone wrong midway. It was supposed to be India’s first big 3D movie which couldn’t happen (Akshay finally aced it in 2point0). Script was changed midway by Shirish without informing the cast. Shirish played foul and Akshay dissociated himself immediately. Any other star would have quit the movie then and there.
However Akshay, being a producer’s star, completed the shooting and allowed the film to release. He however did not promote which irked director-wife.
Akshay’s fans quietly skipped this.
It is quite below the belt if you have spoken despite knowing this fact.
#Naveen_Ko_Thanks_Nahin_Honesty_Chahiye
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November 12, 2019 at 6:16 PM
What led to fallout between Akshay Kumar and Shirish Kunder?
By – Mumbai Mirror
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/What-led-to-fallout-between-Akshay-Kumar-and-Shirish-Kunder/articleshow/16047231.cms
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November 13, 2019 at 11:39 AM
Blah Blah blah blah…
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November 13, 2019 at 11:44 AM
“Akshay finally aced it in 2point0” ~ in a rabid pile of junk that made Ra.1 seem watchable. Even Rajni & Shankar fans feel embarrassed after watching this but of course for the Baba Elichi fans of Shaitan Kumar from class C & D centers 2.0 is a Dark Knight reincarnate.
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November 14, 2019 at 11:19 PM
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November 12, 2019 at 6:42 PM
Wow!! Wish it was done in 90s with Madhuri Dixit.
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November 13, 2019 at 4:31 AM
Will he show her touring Europe and then experiencing an existential crisis?
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November 13, 2019 at 5:40 AM
Don’t know whether anyone has checked this out, but Koppikar is talking about a certain “early morning superstar” here
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November 13, 2019 at 6:43 AM
Akshay Kumar?
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November 13, 2019 at 8:05 AM
Appears so
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November 13, 2019 at 11:56 AM
Wild & baseless accusations should not be paid heed to, esp when made by bygones. You can question his stardom but so far no one has even questioned Akshay’s integrity or discipline in any manner. We all know how the Tanushree/Nana Patekar fiasco ended up.
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November 14, 2019 at 1:22 PM
If there is any stupid blown up issue for #Metoo, its the Tanushree/Nana Patekar one. Totally pointless and unworthy of the movement. Tanu would have never gained anything whereas Nana on the other hand lost all movies and sitting at home.
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November 14, 2019 at 6:00 PM
Haven’t spoken to Nana in decades. Is he really losing movies/lost or replaced because of metoo??? Wasn’t aware of this since I thought he was always more interested in farming and was quite pre-occupied with that near Pune…
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November 13, 2019 at 7:12 AM
BOI: Housefull 4 had a solid jump on Tuesday due to Guru Nanak Jayanti. The film collected around 2.50 crore nett taking the collections to 197 crore nett plus. The film will close the third week at 200 crore nett or at least very close.
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If we just go by trending, then this has done better than Golmaal Again already. HF4 Nett is likely to be 210 Cr – 215 Cr.
BOI probably at 205 Cr. But media will take the higher value as per the norm.
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November 13, 2019 at 7:36 AM
It’s done better in a world of no inflation, no GST or entertainment tax. In such a world HF4 has done more business than Sholay and HAHK combined!
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November 13, 2019 at 7:39 AM
Kadel has also tweeted something similar. Great minds. 😀
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November 13, 2019 at 7:46 AM
Where?
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November 13, 2019 at 11:48 AM
“If we just go by trending, then this has done better than Golmaal Again already.” Because circus Kumar can never give a decent initial even for a comedy masala franchise releasing on Diwali & has to rely on trending to get a semi success (whether its Airlift or HF4 his films follow the same trajectory) and have his fans celebrate a film that records 50 Lakh lower footfalls than Golmaal 4.
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November 13, 2019 at 9:38 PM
Haha too much fun.
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November 13, 2019 at 9:37 PM
Bala And Housefull 4 Are Hit On Wednesday
Thursday 14 November 2019 02.30 IST
Box Office India Trade Network
Bala was hit with a big drop on Wednesday after the partial holiday as it went down 45% to collect 4.75-5 crore nett. It is still a good collection for a Wednesday but the first week will now be less than Dream Girl. Bala has a six day total of around 64.50 crore nett and the first week is looking at a total of 69 crore nett.
The film is on course to become a HIT but it will be the second Friday which will confirm it. The film cant afford to have this sort of drop on Friday now as that would take it to low levels. It will have competition for Marjaavan but that might not be too good at the bigger multiplexes and there is a chance that Bala could lead in these on Friday.
Housefull 4 also seen a big drop as it came down 50% from Tuesday to collect 1.25 crore nett to take its total to 199 crore nett. It will become the second comedy film is history to collect 200 crore nett at the box office and both of the biggest comedy grossers will be Diwali releases as Golmaal Again came on Diwali 2017.
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November 14, 2019 at 4:04 AM
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November 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM
Uri below Kesari and Gully Boy/S30 below that celluloid Isro meet Barjatya trash called Mission Mangal! Utter nonsense, **Edited**.
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November 14, 2019 at 4:20 AM
Aaryan Karthik to rule 2020?
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November 14, 2019 at 4:23 AM
– Pati Patni aur Wo with Bhumi and Ananya
– Imtiaz ali’s Aaj Kal with Sara
– Bhool Bhulaiya 2 with Kiara and Tabu
– Dostana 2
4 potential hits/superhits
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November 14, 2019 at 1:43 PM
Has good female opposites here.
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November 14, 2019 at 9:15 PM
Pehle sirf khiladi tha,
Ab pura khel hoon!!
One man industry now.
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November 14, 2019 at 9:16 PM
The film will star Bhumi Pednekar and R Madhavan in the lead roles. Director G Ashok, who originally helmed Bhaagamathie will direct the Hindi remake as well. Akshay will do a small cameo and shoot for 7-8 days.
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