On Rangan and Ratnam’s Conversations…

At the heart of Baradwaj Rangan’s first and very special book is a calm but tightly focused tug of war that, at its core, wonderfully dramatizes what is possibly the most important conflict within mainstream film studies and film writing in India. Put plainly, I’m talking about the debate between those who take an analytical approach to the movies, and those who resist the very same as a purposeless, overly “intellectual” pursuit. Whatever side of the fence one falls on, it’s hard to conceive of a more appropriate pairing to take on this dialogue. In one corner we have Rangan who, over the past decade or so, has established himself as the finest, most consistently insightful writer on film in India. Facing him as both a subject and a kind of sparring partner is Mani Ratnam, the director who has for more than two decades offered Indian cinema some of its most memorable treasures and transformed its landscape with the force of his influence. As evidenced in some of the exchanges here, (to make no mention of his work itself) Ratnam is a great believer in the ability of mainstream cinema to be something that’s both artful and entertaining.

Despite this belief, the director doesn’t fully cross over to the other side, where his films are examined with an eye for symmetry—for resonating themes and dovetailing ideas that, over the course of a career might help to explain and understand an important artist and in turn accurately place him in various historical and cultural contexts. Rangan to his credit doesn’t entirely let Ratnam off the hook. There’s a sense in these pages that the writer is aiming to hold the filmmaker accountable for what he’s done to shape the course of Indian cinema and to take an active part in examining his work both by sifting through the minutiae within individual films and by stepping back to look at his body of work as a whole. If Ratnam resists these attempts to varying degrees, I think it’s because of something he quite interestingly hints at throughout the book—that he’s not a director who, during the course of a film’s production, can “see” the entire film in his head. He can’t envision the final product when he’s in the middle of a shoot and more often than not during these conversations, he’s prone to offering more in-depth and meaningful thought with respect to individual scenes, moments and people than he is with respect to the broad strokes of a given film and how it might be connected to the films that came before or after it. This is not to say that these insights don’t exist, quite the opposite. Rangan clearly reads between the lines of Ratnam’s responses, and steers the conversations appropriately. One of the book’s great charms is what happens when the conversations derail—straying from the focus of a given chapter to address future Ratnam films or those from out of the past. It is in fact these “timeline fractures” in an otherwise linear set of exchanges that shed light on what is possibly the book’s greatest insight on Ratnam.

With the exception of Dil Se, Ratnam’s own films in a post-Iruvar age, (as the director himself posits, I believe that this masterwork is not only his greatest film, but also the point of no return for his career—a moment where a set of interests, both aesthetic and otherwise, crystallized) have consistently been structured in ways that avoid a typical unraveling of linear time. Ellipses have existed in Ratnam’s films before Iruvar, of course, and both men point this out with films like Nayagan and Mouna Ragam offered up as examples. But Iruvar, with its condensed narrative, its interest in memory and the mutability of politics, history and relationships, remains Ratnam’s most singular and defining effort—like almost no single Ratnam film that came before it, even if it is marked by the influence of multiple older Ratnam works. And the Ratnam films since Iruvar have all, in one way or another—whether it’s in Yuva’s broken timeline, Alaipaayuthey and Kananthil’s fragmented personal histories, Guru’s decades-spanning plot or Raavan’s lack of exposition—owed a debt to that 1997 feature. As an artist, Ratnam’s concerns since the release of his most important work—and as sporadically evidenced in works before it—have clearly centered on the messiness of personal and political histories. “Messiness” borne not only out of the intrinsic dramatic conflicts within these histories but from Ratnam’s efforts to reconfigure how they play out. Ratnam doesn’t like to spoon-feed his audience as he himself admits to Rangan, and his vision might support that idea above all else. His films tell us that time and people don’t operate in convenient ways—that pasts and presents often collide in order to shape futures. At their best and most engaging junctures, these conversations capture this idea rather remarkably.

One can take issue with Rangan not hammering away at his subject with a little more force at certain points (I don’t) but my central criticism of this book is an unfair one. Like Rangan, readers such as myself feel quite possessive of Ratnam and, as is wont for those of us who see him as a visionary, I had hoped the chapters would go on longer when discussing subjects that I had a serious personal interest in. I wanted to hear Ratnam on Karthik and Mohanlal, Ratnam on his contemporaries in Indian cinema, Ratnam on the Hindi films that shaped his film memory. I wanted a longer book! At one point, during the chapter on Iruvar, Ratnam discusses unused scenes shot for the film and Rangan asks him if he’ll ever release these on DVD. Ratnam replies that they don’t exist—that all the footage is gone. It’s a very brief exchange and they move on quickly, but I found this to be heartbreaking. Not simply because of the place I accord Iruvar but because the idea that film memory can be discarded in this way, especially with regard to certain films and filmmakers, is rather troubling–even if it’s typical for Indian cinema and ultimately works to exacerbate the greater institutional problems with film studies and writing that books like this resist admirably. Rangan and Ratnam’s most important achievement in giving us these memorable conversations, then, might well be the vital act of film preservation that they represent. And if there are questions that remain unanswered in these pages, perhaps the lesson is that Rangan’s book should be treated the same as Ratnam’s films—with a close, thoughtful reading that allows for and even appreciates ellipses.

31 Responses to “On Rangan and Ratnam’s Conversations…”

  1. He doesn’t rate Karthik or Mohanlal on level of Kamal, deal with it..

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  2. wonderfully heartfelt piece GF and it matches in some ways the intimacy of Rangan’s intro. This is the best read I’ve come across on the book because your discussion here really gets to the heart of what the exchanges are about. Particularly like the last two paragraphs. You should reference it on Rangan’s blog as well. The post where he’s collecting all the reviews.

    Weirdly didn’t see this post all day yesterday.. was just going through comments in the dashboard and missed it completely.

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  3. It takes more than common sense to differentiate my ‘criticism’ of Rangan from default negativity
    What others see as wanton wit, interesting and funny allegories in rangans columns are also indicative of Rangan trying to keep himself ‘entertained’ and preventing a breakdown situation
    After all if u leave a professional career to become a ‘reviewer’, one has to justify the ‘follow the dreams’ dictum!
    At no stage was rangan compared to nahata/ adarsh–the only ones who saw that associations were the cromagnons ( who apparently were probably more reflexive /reckless than Neanderthals) 🙂
    Rangan remains the premier film reviewer in India currently
    It was just a suggestion for his to use this undeniable skills more ‘selectively’ and apply them to films that deserve them…

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  4. excellent review of ”Conversations with Mani Ratnam”

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  5. http://dilse46.tripod.com/mani.htm Mani Ratnam speaks about Mohanlal of Iruvar

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  6. Tehelka :

    BARADWAJ RANGAN is far and away the most intelligent writer we have in India when it comes to cinema. That alone should be a damn good reason to buy this book, and possibly to buy multiple copies and cover them in brown paper, since all of us have friends who are thieves.

    The most interesting thing about this book, for me, is the gentle contest for authorship that lies at its heart. In his opening comments, Rangan talks of how he gave up his original intention — “a mass of analysis and deconstruction” modelled on Donald Spoto’s book-length study of Hitchcock — to choose its present form, a set of freeflowing exchanges in the same mode as Hitchcock/Truffaut and Michael Ondaatje’s conversations with the film editor Walter Murch. Mani Ratnam apparently listened to the Spoto idea and then made the suggestion: “You like cinema, I like cinema. Let’s talk and see what happens.”

    The contest, however, continues, and the first section makes for fascinating reading thus. Rangan’s initial questions seem headed in the direction of enacting a mystery, toward setting Ratnam up as ‘auteur’. Ratnam sets about stymieing this with disarming modesty. He refuses to participate in a great-man narrative, and instead looks back in wry amusement at the manner in which he plunged into filmmaking, at what he calls his bookish knowledge, and offers us the distinctly unheroic memory “I wanted to run”, after his first taste of shooting a film. He chooses to talk of how lucky he was to have gifted collaborators such as the editor Lenin, Ilayaraaja, Balu Mahendra as cinematographer, Thota Tharani as art director and a host of others in later years. In other sections that span the years between Mouna Raagam and Raavan, Ratnam continually deflects the notion of the director as a great mind, and turns to talking of filmmaking as a process; that it may reside as much in collaborative problem-solving as it might in grand design.

    The contest is productive, nevertheless. Ratnam opens up to talk expansively about how these films came to be made, and Rangan stays on the ball, and prods and pokes his subject when he senses that further revelations may be nigh. These interactions can turn snappish now and then — Ratnam seems to disapprove strongly of any attempt at reading the subtext in his films and his dismissal of these attempts usually features the word ‘intellectualise’, but Rangan, to his credit, gives as good as he gets. The tension that this contest provides makes this as much Mani Ratnam’s book as it is Rangan’s.

    There are just one or two things to cavil at. Rangan has written an extremely insightful introduction to the book; Ratnam, he says, pioneered the Madras Movie, a genre characterised by a sassy demotic, by the unrepentant celebration of desire. These analyses are bang on. Mani Ratnam’s early films do indeed amount to a sort of secession within Tamizh cinema; from the idea that desire was pathology, from earlier uses of cinema, from the notions of propriety that cinema was meant to uphold, from the idea that Tamizhness was always elsewhere, in some authentic village, or past, or that it must necessarily be restored by the ranting of ideologues

    For more

    http://tehelka.com/story_main54.asp?filename=hub241112book.asp

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  7. Abhishek Bachchan ‏@juniorbachchan
    Watching GURU last night made it a bit more relevant as I’ve just finished reading ‘conversations with Mani Ratnam’ by Mr. Baradwaj Rangan.

    Abhishek Bachchan ‏@juniorbachchan
    If you enjoy Cinema, then you must try and get a copy of this book. A great insight into the mind of (someone I consider) a cinematic genius

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  8. Bachchan1 to 10 Says:

    Pre-ordered this today, Can’t wait to get my hands on it.

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  9. Tuesday, December 4, 2012The End is Always the Beginning!

    The end is always the beginning! When you fail, love that moment. Because it teaches you how to face Life! Failure always prepares us for trying better the next time!

    The reason why all of us struggle with coping with failure is because we think we are in control. We feel we have put in the best effort. And so, we believe, we must pull off every plan that we embark on. In a way it is our ego, of us knowing what the outcome will be, that makes our failures unbearable.

    On the other hand, failure can be a great motivator if we shed our ego. When we understand that what’s within our control are only the motive, the means and the effort. Beyond that we don’t have any control and therefore no right to the outcome. When this thinking is firmly established in our sub-conscious, we will treat failure as a teacher. And worship failure than abhor or loathe it!

    Yesterday I had the opportunity to meet and converse with one of India’s finest film makers, Mani Ratnam. A good friend, and one of India’s finest cinema critics, Baradwaj Rangan’s new book ‘Conversations with Mani Ratnam’ was launched by Penguin yesterday. And I caught up with Mani on the sidelines of the event. Everyone around there at the event was keen to talk of and toast to Mani’s fine body of work, and his most successful films. I wanted to learn from him how he dealt with failure.

    Me: “Mani, the director, as the captain, the leader, often takes some momentous decisions. They work out well sometimes. And they backfire sometimes. In recent times, your decision to cast Abhishek Bachchan as ‘Raavan’ in the Hindi version of the Tamizh film ‘Raavanan’ (Actor Vikram plays the title role in the Tamizh version!) completely backfired. How do you deal with a situation when you realize you have perhaps blundered with such an important decision?”

    Mani: “Failure at and with something is not the end of the road. I still feel both choices__Vikram in Tamizh and Abhishek in Hindi__were right ones. And both actors delivered masterfully. They have very distinctive styles of delivery. One is intense and the other is expressive. As his director, I believe Abhishek gave me what I wanted. He gave me a stellar performance in that role. The audience rejected it though. And I accept that verdict. Did I fail? Commercially perhaps. But creatively, I learned more than what others may even understand. And that’s the only way to look at things when they don’t work out the way you planned them to be.”

    That’s a great quality. A mark of a winner. To be himself in the face of both success and failure. When you fail, despite your best planning and efforts, it only reinforces that the Master Plan has no flaws. So, that moment of failure does not call for grief. It calls for exultation, celebration. Because you have just discovered something that has the potential to break your ego __ which is that YOU are NOT in control of any of the outcomes of your efforts! And why would anyone not want their ego bubble bursted? Because only in the absence of the ego does bliss arrive and thrive! When the ego dies, a new awakening, a new YOU is born!

    http://avisviswanathan.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-end-is-always-beginning.html

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    • yes even in the book this is one of those rare moments where he really addresses a lead performance.

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      • Bachchan1 to 10 Says:

        Hope he is going in details in all of Jrs outings with him. Speically Yuva. For me, Yuva is my fav Jr. Performance, No doubt there are many others that followed and like most of them, But Yuva stands out, It was almost a Zanjeer/Deewar moment for me, Just came out and told everyone, what he is ALL about. Even at one of the award ceremonies, Sajid Khan (dont really take that guy seriiously at all, but had a valid point). If you are gettting the Best “Supporting” actor, I wonder who was the main lead ? lol.

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  10. outlook review:

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?283228

    have to track down this Rajni bio as well!

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  11. Rajinikanth – The Definitive Biography
    By Devansh Patel, Dec 11, 2012 – 12:45 IST

    Rajinikanth Charles Dickens once said, “Whether I shall turn out to be a hero of my own life, or whether that station will be held by anybody else, these pages must show”. But in an ironical world, I guess the saying aptly applies to the Indian cinema’s great – Rajinikanth and of course, Naman. Yes, these pages will be shown in the next twenty four hours by one of the finest writers of our country, Naman Ramachandran. The author of the highly acclaimed ‘Lights Camera Masala’ has penned his next book or as I’d put it – ‘the mother of all books’ – Rajinikanth – The Definitive Biography. The book recounts Rajini’s career in meticulous detail, tracing his incredible cinematic journey from his very first film Apoorva Ragangal in 1975 to memorable foray into Bollywood like Andhaa Kanoon and Hum, from landmark films like Billa, Thalapathi and Annamalai to the mega successes of Baasha, Muthu, Podayappa, Sivaji and Enthiran. The book also provides rare insight into Rajini’s personal life. But all this is just the tip of the iceberg. The best way to get the detailing out is to sit one day on a fine wintery evening with Naman and all you need to place in front of him is his Famous Grouse and the deliciously hot ‘Puri Bhaaji’, and the story continues…

    In your second book, you chose to write about our cinematic God, Rajinikanth. It can’t get bigger than this, can it?
    No it can’t. It was a happy circumstance. I was in Singapore having coffee with a lady who now happens to be my agent. We shared one thing in common, and that was Bangalore. So we both started talking about Bangalore’s most famous son – Rajinikanth. He was born and bred in Bangalore and was there till the age of twenty three. I was thinking about writing something on the similar subject. My agent was also of the opinion that there aren’t many books that are written on Thalaivar. I sent a proposal letter to her in the next twenty four hours and within the next one week there was a bidding war. Finally Penguin won it and two years down the line here I am launching the book tomorrow in Chennai.

    And you’ve chosen a spectacular date to launch the book too – 12.12.12.
    Yes, it was deliberate because this date will never be repeated. Tomorrow is Rajinikanth’s birthday and there’s this speculation that the world is going to end in a few days. Well, this won’t happen now because Rajinikanth will save the day (laughs).

    Naman Ramachandran, Rajinikanth What intrigues you about this great man?
    I had the pleasure of meeting him in London during his short visit for his film Kochadaiyaan. I think his extreme simplicity is the most appealing. In an age when people try to conceal their age and lack of hair by wearing wigs and makeup, Rajinikanth makes sure what you see is what you get off-screen. Onscreen, he is playing his persona but he is very clear that you have to separate the actor and the person who you are.

    Subconsciously, are you thinking this can be the highest selling biography of any Indian celebrity?
    I don’t think of numbers and sales. I thought of the book as an honest portrait of a man whose life needed to be chronicled. There’s almost nothing out there. After that if people buy the book, I am happy. I wanted to present the facts to the people out there. I think this is my service to this larger than life industry.

    How is this book going to be different from the most striking and creatively packed ‘Lights Camera Masala’?
    This one is a straight forward biography but what is different is that there are number of facts about Rajinikanth that most people don’t know about. Without giving anything away, it tells you about some key moments in his life. There is also a lot written about his early films. People think that Rajinikanth is all about style but they don’t know that he is a trained and an award winning actor. Especially outside South India, that’s what the perception is. Buy the book tomorrow and you’ll get to know much more.

    What about his Bollywood journey?
    He did a lot of films in the 1980’s but I have covered the ‘HUM’ chapter pretty well in the book. I spoke to Anurag Kashyap who spoke about his favorite Rajinikanth movie that’s Jeet Hamari. Anurag smuggled a VCR into his hostel in Gwalior and that’s how he saw Rajinikanth for the first time. When Deepa Sahi met Rajinikanth during the shooting of Hum she wasn’t aware that he was a superstar down South.

    Rajinikanth And what about the cover of the book? Your previous book had a very distinct cover.
    We didn’t want to use any random picture of Rajinikanth from the archives and put it up as the cover. What I did was I worked with the in-house designer of Penguin. He asked me, “What’s Rajinikanth to people?” One of his most famous songs in Tamil goes – ‘My Heart is Gold’. So we took off from that theme and we did a sketch of him in Gold and when you’ll see the book, it is embossed in Gold. It stands out from the cover. This is a Limited Edition cover.

    Will Rajinikanth be launching the book tomorrow?
    No. But I am in Chennai as we speak and will be launching the book at the Landmark City Centre, Chennai. But more importantly, I will be gifting him the copy. After he reads it, we will do a big event if he agrees. I have got my first copy and it feels like a blessing straight from Rajinikanth.

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  12. They’re making us double dip!

    The paperback…

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