J P Dutta’s Ghulami, Bachchan’s Signature

(I extract here an earlier exchange from naachgaana.com: LINK)

“Though I like Hathyar quite a bit the best Dutta by a long shot is Ghulami which to my mind is the greatest Hindi film since Trishul. Haven’t seen a film yet which surpasses Ghulami in this period. But Ghulami has been released on a rather inadequate DVD and hardly does justice to its widescreen compositions. This is a great film on every register imaginable. And some great performances from just about the whole cast. This is also my favorite Mithun role, as well as among my favorite Naseer/Smita roles. Additionally, it is a very prescient work in terms of understanding Indian caste politics. And finally it is much like Sholay (though even more powerfully in some ways) a very powerful representation of an anarchic India. And Dutta’s great achievement lies in fusing the realistic and the mythic. I think there is in fact even a case to be made that this is the greatest Hindi film since Sholay.”

“I always refer to Dutta’s closeups, his obsessive use of this feature, outdone only by RGV in his Sarkar films. But Dutta has something else also. His mangificent widescreen vistas that contrast with his claustrophobic closeups. Ghulami is the finest example of this but to a lesser extent Yateem and Batwara. When he went urban in Hathyar he didn’t have the same foil for his closeups though in a different sense his closeups here work well with the claustrophobic city space.”

“One wonders though if either film really represented the ‘truth’ of the Vijay character. I like Bachchan’s persona in Akayla (in the most inadequate of films!) but is this enervation a logical possibility in that history? Inquilaab also raises similar questions. Because it has the denouement of a ‘revolution’ but it’s unclear whether ‘Vijay’ would ever have had such a rush of blood (pun intended!). Or even if he would have consented to become a sacrificial lamb in the interests of serving the ‘people’.

This is in fact the great correction Rathnam performs on this history with Lallan Singh. The ‘Vijay’ history perhaps leads to an impasse. On the one hand all the de-stabilizing moves, on the other there is still enough ‘respect’ for the state and its traditions. The 80s ‘institutionalization’ where barring a few exceptions Bachchan became rather too ‘friendly’ and therefore more easily consumed is maybe in this sense only a symptom of that impasse as I see it. Inquilaab weirdly is truer to the ‘Vijay’ logic in the abstract even if it deviates from the specific history here. because any revolutionary move must minimally contain that ‘leap’ or that moment ‘without calculation’ or in more theoretical language must operate (an)economically.

Even with Khakee and Dev all these years later we still see the same constraints at work. In this sense the ‘vigilante’ element that has always been much more a part of Tamil commercial cinema in this genre is for its troubling nature more true to a certain logic of revolutionary violence. Let us not forget Andhaa Kanoon in this regard (made by a ‘Southerner’) and weirdly a film where Rajni becomes ‘Bachchan’ for a day (basically evading the law even as he wreaks vengeance) and Bachchan on the other hand potently undermines the foundations of the legal system by playing his double jeopardy game. Of course even Tamil cinema took the ‘Robin Hood’ element too far. The ‘hero’ who was willing to function as the ultimate outlaw to become the ultimate vigilante. This resembles a kind of compromise politics that in the final analysis does not disturb the state very much.

Lallan once again is a bit different.. that bridge scene at the end of Yuva (one of the great moments in Hindi cinema in my judgment and not one equaled in the Tamil version) is therefore crucial for its suggestion of an apocalyptic violence. But what Rathnam gives with one hand he takes away with the other. If Lallan represents subversion and revolutionary violence the other characters temper this with their heavy investment in ‘institutions’. Rathnam can only go so far. Lallan’s final scene is ambiguous as is the film’s but the fact that Rathnam finds it necessary to establish such a symmetry perhaps defeats things at the outset. What if the film had move entirely in Lallan’s sphere?

Consider how much more advanced Dutta’s Ghulami was in its anarchy. Here over the course of the narrative all kinds of political actors get defined by an opposition where one is either for the state and all its institutions of control and dominance and all its ruling classes or ‘against’ it. Hence the farmer and the military veteran and the small town policeman and so on all fall on one side.. The final moment is a very symbolic (and potent) ‘burning of the books’ moment which too as an image is eventually ‘freezed’ by the director and presented as a wager for the future..”



QALANDAR

Perhaps I am not following your reading of Ghulami; if I am, I think I disagree to an extent: “Ghulami” is standard nationalist inasmuch as it presents the (modernizing) state as opposed to the traditional feudal system — in fact it is from service under the state that the youthful rebellion of a Sumair Singh (Dharmendra) is transformed into the general concern with social judtice; the other hero (Jabber (Mithun)) is also a soldier, and does not feel beholden to any existing feudal hierarchy.

Without denying the above, it must be recognized that Ghulami is too capacious to be reductive to simply the reading offered above. For instance, Naseer’s character is also in the service of the state — and one might argue that here, “out there”, the state’s revolutionary promise has been compromised by the incestuous link between feudal privilege and power (caste and marriage ties bind Naseer and Smita Patil’s clan); thus, in order to preserve that revolutionary promise, the men once in uniform (Sumair & Jabber) themselves become rebels. We see here that both soldier and rebel are operating under the same sign, of the state’s emancipatory potential. It is true testament to Dutta’s epic sweep that he never seems to judge Naseer, there is no suggestion that the uniform is being perverted in this way (which is why one cannot be dogmatic about the reading I have offered) — the film is almost Homeric, in the sense that someone (I believe it was Coleridge, but I could be mistaken) said that Homer doesn’t judge, he simply shows. Ghulami doesn’t go the entire distance, but it goes quite a way: unlike with the usual villainous Thakur, the viewer doesn’t really hate Om Shivpuri; he isn’t a wicked man, he is simply a zamindar.

Satyam

“Excellent reading of Ghulami and not one I am opposed to except that I am unsure whether the film’s emancipatory politics can be defined only under the sign of the state. This is not to deny the obvious value of the trope you introduce in the first paragraph. But I was referencing a different kind of split where the rebellion against the existing order is what cuts across all the ‘old’ divides. In other words once the ‘rebellion’ begins can we meaningfully speak of an emancipatory potential of the ’state’? Isn’t the latter what has precisely ceased to function as the normative fiction? Don’t the ‘uniforms’ to the extent that the same are worn on both sides testify to this new ‘truth’? You’re quite right that Dutta does not ‘judge’. As he shouldn’t. Because the divide is not I think between two notions of the state but a quasi-Marxist debate about who has ‘power’ or who can change the essential configuration of the game. Which is why Dutta can fluidly pass from British era to the contemporary feudal one. I don’t think Dutta really prefers one alternative or another very much if it means accepting the same ‘oppressor’ logic. I agree with the characterization of this world as Homeric and I see this element as that which undercuts the otherwise radical moves of the film. Dutta nonetheless relies on some ancient, imagined sense of ‘order’ (and this is a complicated matrix in his film much as it is in Homer) but I don’t believe this framework is that of the ’state’.”

QALANDAR

On Ghulami, another interesting thing is Dutta’s representation of the power of books and the written word: it is the schoolmaster who first drives home to the boy Sumair Singh that he is transgressing the village’s social order. Later on, when we see the adult Sumair Singh we know he’s different because of the revolutionary books he is reading, and the fact that he hangs out at the library — the library is also the only place (especially once she leaves school) that Smita Patil is allowed, and that is where the two meet. And, most crucially (and as demonstrated so vividly in the film’s climax), the written ledgers are almost the source of the zamindars’ power over the peasants — when Sumair Singh burns those ledgers at film’s end, he destroys an entire world.

The broader point is metaphorical: in the final analysis, zamindari’s power perhaps rests on everyone subscribing to a worldview that privileges “destiny” — i.e. “it is written”; more specifically this attitude as applied to the political order. But that which is literally “written” — books, as imbibed by Patil and Sumair Singh — and the destruction of that which is literally written — the zamindars’ ledgers — both serve to show that nothing is “written” (in the sense of pre-ordained)…

Satyam

“Getting back to Ghulami the other example I neglected to bring up the other day when I was trying to make that point about a ‘revolution’ cutting across all the old divides is of course the Smita Patil/Naseer marriage. The politics of the situations cuts through this marriage as well, in other words the ‘(ex)timate’ takes place in the most ‘intimate’ of relationships (and social structures).”

55 Responses to “J P Dutta’s Ghulami, Bachchan’s Signature”

  1. Should confess havent seen Ghulami at all. All, I know is the famous song on bus top and Mithun saying Koi Shaq ? Will have to get a DVD and check this out.

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  2. I think this is probably Mithun’s best role along with Prem Pratigya. Incidentally he also made a very good pair with Madhuri in the latter.

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  3. Gulami is one film I decided to see only because I remember Satyam talking very highly of it. Also, I remember liking the songs and of course Mithun’s Koi shak.
    But I must say I couldn’t bear to watch the film beyond an hour. Firstly, weren’t all the actors too old for their roles? I could visit it again, but I also found it a bit gruesome for my tastes.

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  4. JasonF'nTodd Says:

    Dutta has been too much of a miss for me
    for every plus in a movie, he’d fuck it up too
    Kshatriya is one movie i remember loving but refuse to watch again just because i know ill probably hate it, cant find a dvd for hathyar.
    border – save suniel and akshaye, terrible just terrible
    refugee – terrible third act that finally redeems itself at the end song
    LoC – i got a soft spot for it, but dammit it was too long and there were too many fucking characters, had they just focussed on the big 4 (baba, ajay, saif, abhi) it woulda been much better
    Umrao Jaan – yeah i slept through it, not my cupa tea

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  5. I liked Refugee & LoC. LoC was tad long and agree the focus was mis-mashy. But the key storylines were gripping enough. Seen half off Umrao Jaan now, the second half and looked a good film overall. Rather slow though. Music in Border, Refugee, LoC and Umrao Jaan was nice.

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  6. Refugee was fine in the first half but went a little haywire in the second. I think there was a great opportunity lost here. LoC I have a great weakness for and this was very unfairly treated by the media. UJ held up well even when I revisited it on DVD. In terms of the music Refugee would have to be the pick here. But I’d still take 80s Dutta over his 90s and post-90s one. But yes his films are always slow paced. I think in this sense he’s very much (unfortunately for my tastes) on the wrong side of history.

    Jason: you do have a point on LoC. They didn’t need to cover every battalion out there! The joke here is that Dutta actually had to leave out some regiments. He wanted more!

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  7. UJ was actually quite good.
    J P Dutta is great at visuals. There was film whose name I am forgetting ( may be Hathyar ) starring Sanju and Bijlani amongst others that had some stunning visuals. His storytelling gets awkward at times.

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  8. I liked Batwara very much as well.. Yateem was probably better but those two war horses going at each other (Vinod and Dharam) offered great pleasure for the soul! Plus the two getting together at the end to spike Amrish Puri like a pig. LOL! But Hathyar is a good one though a kind of ‘anti-film’ for the genre with its slow pacing. I don’t see his pacing as a negative though. But yes he needs greater control over his narrative. By the way I forgot to mention that Ghulami starts with a fine Bachchan voice over. Always regretted that Bachchan didn’t do a film with Dutta.

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  9. Reaching back to this post here – I saw Ghulaami last night (finally) and I have to say this is a fine, fine film. Even if I don’t quite rank it as highly as you do, Satyam, I can see why there is so much affection for this. The narrative is taught, the technique is quite good (though not nearly as fluid as Sholay) and the acting almost uniformly excellent. Love the songs as well, especially the way Mere Peeko Pawan is used throughout.

    The “Koi Shaqs” and “Thank Yous” aside, both Mithun and Kulbushan are excellent. They are sidekicks without ever feeling like peripheral characters that one can simply write off. I’ve seen Mithun better elsewhere, but Kulbushan was very moving here and both characters are constructed very thoughtfully. And as repetitive and somewhat tiresome as their respective catch phrases are, those words are smartly used to embody certain interesting ideas. Respectively, they remind us that certainty, doubt and “variance” are key components to any revolutionary struggle.

    Dharmendra’s character (well played by the actor even if he doesn’t always feel “right” here) is, in light of the recent Soderbergh biopic that I loved, a kind of masala Che here! What Dutta smartly does for his lead is link his political anger and rebellion to a historical cinematic trope widely known and used in Hindi cinema and Indian political propaganda: that of the mother-as-motherland. (The linkage and political resonance is especially evident from the socialist text that Dharam’s character carries around, titled “Mother”). This “mother” trope is something Desai was wise to in AAA, and the reason the mother there is named Bharathi. Dutta here makes the denigration, disgrace and ultimate death of Dharam’s mother (and by extension, motherland) the ultimate call to his revolution. It’s a supremely intelligent use of this cinema’s political history.

    And the film makes a number of smart, complicated choices by not making the state an entirely culpable entity in all this, but one that is married to an institutional problem that can only be addressed and possibly corrected through social upheaval. This is most evident in Nasser’s character which has to be one of the actor’s very best. The introductory scene for his cop is an extraordinarily memorable one, as he is shown severing the head of a cow at a temple ceremony. The moment, in a film of lesser ambition, could have easily been a sublimely violent introduction to an unctuous villain. Instead, his character is later shown as subdued and even rational to an extent. One is led to believe that in a system less corrupted by wealth and power, his police officer could be a better man.

    I’ll have to see this film again, and look forward to doing so. It’s certainly one of the very best masala Westerns I’ve ever seen. The use of landscape is stunning, and so seductive for a viewer, who, like myself, loves this sort of desolate beauty when it’s captured just right.

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    • Fantastic that you finally saw it Goodfella! And not least because we get this marvelous extended comment from you.. I am in and out at this point but will get back to this later.. but even on a first read hard to disagree with anything..

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      • Thanks, and to be honest, I’ve been meaning to catch this for the longest, as you know. It’s just that with films like these, if Bachchan’s not in it, I have to work up the will a bit…a mistake here, and one I was glad to rectify.

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    • All of this is very insightful. I like Mithun more than you do here (it might just be my favorite Mithun outing) but I agree on the Dharmendra point. He’s effective but possibly too predictable in a role that required more edge. Again I love Naseer here though I like Smita even more. The che analogy is inspired!

      Once again you do a remarkable job of marrying concision to illuminating perspective.

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      • Thanks Satyam – that Smita is amazing goes without saying. I’ve never seen her make a false move on screen. I just thought Naseer’s character took such surprising and fulfilling turns…I respected Dutta’s choices immensely here.

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  10. Excellent comment here goodfella, very insightful — especially on the mother point. The whole scene where the boy-Dharam glowers at the Thakur as his mother has to put the slippers on her head compresses the emotional charge of a whole masala history in a couple of minutes…

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  11. Rajen: the deal is: will watch Jodha-Akbar when you check Ghulami out

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  12. Yeah, that scene and how it is replayed in the ending (though cheap vengeance is far from how Dutta ends things) was excellent. As melodramatic as it may have sounded, I wanted Dharam, in his final shot, to call out “maa” which in this context would have been both a call to the heavens, and a prayer for the earth.

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  13. omrocky786 Says:

    Re.-By the way I forgot to mention that Ghulami starts with a fine Bachchan voice over

    satyam, it ends with his voice as well !!

    great comments GF, satyam and Q
    Dharmendar looks Old though.Mithun in Dharmendar’s role and Nana Patekar in Mithun’s role would have been awesome.

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  14. omrocky786 Says:

    I have been trying to buy blue ray of Jodha akbar with no luck!!
    sems like it has been released only in france.

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  15. omrocky786 Says:

    What does this mean -Jeehale muskin main kun baranjis Behaal hijra bechaara dil hai ?????

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    • No idea! I start understanding this song from the second line!

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      • omrocky786 Says:

        RKS will be so proud of me !!

        http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/Amir_Khusrau

        Many words of this song are in Persian. The phrase “Zihaal-e-miskeen”
        comes from a poem of Amir Khusrau. This original poem of Amir Khusrau
        is a unique masterpiece. The beautiful thing about this poem is that
        it it written in Persian and Brij bhasha simultaneously. The first
        line is in Persian, second in Brij bhasha, third in persian, and so
        on…!! What an unbelievable talent. And here are first four lines of
        that poem.

        zihaal-e-miskeen mukon taghaful (Persian)
        doraaye nainaan banaye batyaan (Brij)

        ke taab-e-hijraah nadarum-e-jaan (Persian)
        na laihyo kaahe lagaye chatyaan (Brij)

        This showcases Hazrat Amir Khusrau’s mastery over the two languages and the
        role played by him in the genesis of Urdu.
        ENGLISH TRANSLATION
        Do not overlook my misery by blandishing your eyes,
        and weaving tales; My patience has over-brimmed,
        O sweetheart, why do you not take me to your bosom.
        Long like curls in the night of separation,
        short like life on the day of our union;
        My dear, how will I pass the dark dungeon night
        without your face before.
        Suddenly, using a thousand tricks, the enchanting eyes robbed me
        of my tranquil mind;
        Who would care to go and report this matter to my darling?
        Tossed and bewildered, like a flickering candle,
        I roam about in the fire of love;
        Sleepless eyes, restless body,
        neither comes she, nor any message.
        In honour of the day I meet my beloved
        who has lured me so long, O Khusrau;
        I shall keep my heart suppressed,
        if ever I get a chance to get to her trick.

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      • LOL. Same here.

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  16. I remember watching Ghulami years ago and enjoying the film. I remeber Dharm ji, Nasser, Mithun, Khulbushan, and the rest of the cast being very good. I certainly did not watch it with the keen eye that you guys did but will certainly revisit the film.
    I’m like you Satyam, and would have loved to see Amit ji in a Dutta film. I take it a step further and say that I would have loved to have seen Dharm ji and Amit ji together in a Dutta film, ala a Batwara. We know that these two have shared great chemistry as friends on screen it would be really interesting to see them as adversaries.

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    • Bachchan of course have an introductory voice over for Ghulami. But yeah would have loved to see him in the Dutta universe of the 80s. There was a project (I think it was called Bandhu) that eventually fell through the cracks.

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  17. I have always been a fan of JP Dutta. I always liked Yateem, Batwara, Ghulami. I havent seen Hathyar and cant find a DVD for it. Anyone know where I can get a DVD for Hathyar on-line?

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  18. masterpraz Says:

    Amazing review here…

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  19. Hi Satyam
    Ghulami is a “classic’ but sadly in India they do not restore nor try to save a film to DVD or BLU RAY. They do not care to even restore the sound effects to match modern technology available today. Why ?????
    Ghulami was made with a passion by director JP Dutta. Check out the fabulous ‘background’ score which takes the movie to different level. The dialogue, the screenplay and the cinematography was excellent ! But what is the use ? Will they ever take interest in haveing a proper DVD release? Will JP Dutta take interest ? I also liked his Hathyar…but sadly not available anywhere. Just waiting for the day when Indian production houses will seriously take interest in restoring old classics to DVD in all its glory.

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    • cannot agree more.. this film deserves a massive restoration.. unfortunately this will probably not happen in our lifetimes! The existing DVD on this is passable but it doesn’t begin to capture the film in its full glory. And you’re right on the rest too.

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  20. ghulami is the must watch movie. the character of smita patil and dharmendra is superb and reena roy also have shot but very powerful role and the story line is also nice

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    • I perfectly agree with Satyam, Ghulami is one of the finest films ever made and if i may quote only my opinion to which most may not agree “Ghulami is best piece of art ever produced on this earth which is much beyond the work of arts which are included and given local national, american academy , british golden globes.” I feel I may be wrong ,first it’s not meant for females..second it’s not meant for those who look for wholesome entertainment. I would say Sholay was good masala with average meaning and message whereas Ghulami shines at the top with a great meaning and message.I know people go for movies to get entertained just like they(including myself) go to restaurant to eat yummy paneer/chicken and not gheeya..but this is one movie which is perfectly made gheeya with a chicken/paneer like taste. I am big big big fan of Mr Dutta for making this piece of work..Guys this is not a movie ..this is a mindset ..everyone cannot receive everything hence it’s understandable that the movie didn’t appeal to few in this discussion.

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  21. i just came across this post and i couldnt resist myself from commenting here as i am a die hard fan of J P dutta movies from the 80s. the 80s is considered to be the dark period in hindi cinema due to which lot of movies didnt got the due credit. lot of songs which have been revived now lost their glory because of the inability of the movie to capture the box office. ghulami as per me is a masterpiece. amazing performances by all the actors. i love the rajasthan background in JP dutta’s movies. the background scores in his movies are so good. whenever i am in a nostalgice mood, i play the part of movies repeatedly where there is the signature background music which takes me to the era when i was a kid…never realized how good Dutta saab’s movie were when i was young but gradually i have realized their worth…i have now all his movies in my personal collection…it is very unfortunate that he directed only handful of movies. my favourites are ghulami, yateem, hathyaar and batwaara

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  22. Dear all, its nice to see that i am not alone in the list of die hard fans of the movies like ‘Ghulami’. Surprisingly i was lucky to see it in a theatre in my childhood (year 1986) & again in 2013 last month… in a c-grade theatre where most of the times bhojpuri films are run. I was very happy & surprised to see it back in theatre,, however the print was very scratched. Its also to mention that i talked to the theatre manager who told me that almost all prints are damaged of this film, & they could hardly get the print in just Rs. 5000/- from somewhere & its collection was more than any other new films…

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  23. i dont know why i always liked the films in celluloid prints instead of digital format….i also managed to see the projector & the reels of the film. Itwas handled very badly. It was very sad to see the great films in such condition. I am sure that it will not be possible to see these movies in theatres or may be in home theatres…

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  24. Didn’t know where to post this but I was revisiting LOC and Border during the last couple of days. Got them both on a single DVD and that was practically over 7 hours of cinema. I had watched both movies in theatre but got wanted to revisit them.

    Always been a huge JP Dutta fan. I loved Ghulami, Yateem, Batwara, Hathyar, Border and Refugee.

    LOC had a narrative problem with too many characters popping up with constant flashbacks and these characters were not developped enough and they ended up slowing down the rythm. Made it hard to connect at times. Loved ABJr’s “From Madhuri with love!”.towards the end.

    Found Kshatriya and Umrao Jaan as lesser works but they are still better than most other films that were being made at those respective times.

    Co-incidentally just as I finished watching the 2 movies I stumbled upon these headlines that J.P. Dutta is gearing up for his next movie. Wishing him all the best for his next venture. Bollywood really needs J.P. Dutta’s kind of cinema:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Sunny-Deol-teams-up-with-J-P-Dutta-for-Border-2/articleshow/21140683.cms

    After a gap of 16 years, director J P Dutta has decided to bring out the sequel of his hit war film ‘Border’ and actor Sunny Deol is returning for the second movie.

    “We are happy to announce that Sunny Deol will be part of s starcast. Other names are in the deliberation stage. However, for now Sunny has been roped in for a pivotal role, since he was an integral part of ‘ Border’,” a statement said.

    ‘Border’ a 1997 film was based on the real occurrences of the 1971 war.

    Though Sunny essayed the role of a Sikh commanding officer in ‘Border’, in the sequel, he would not play a Sikh, but would again be seen in a commanding officer’s role. The film will be an adaptation from real life events, the statement said.

    Details of the rest of the starcast are under wraps.

    ‘Border 2’ will go on floors by the end of October.

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  25. the signature music played in the background in hathyar,ghulami and main aazada hoon
    an anybody please help in getting that music
    been tryin to get it n looking for it from over a year now

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    • very hard to get background scores on any Indian movie..

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    • I had posted the Intro track of ghulami on YouTube … That is the signature track of jp dutta movies…in YouTube look for ghulami intro song and you will find it … Varun … I am a big fan of this movie myself so try to share anything unique I have

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  26. i’ve also found a link here from 2;36 to 4;10 u listen d tune http://youtu.be/YvD2rgy9vWk

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  27. Batwara is now available on Prime.

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  28. Here it is – the signatory theme: and also the way it is used – both the scenes talk of BHOOKH and that’s the umbilical cord that connects the both..

    MAH – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmAKwwmAx9c

    And as DHANANJAY pasted above..HATHYAR — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvD2rgy9vWk&feature=youtu.be

    This is a master-class performance, that is horribly under-rated, from Amit..Just, don’t make me start on that..I cannot stop once I start..

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  29. Dutta was one of the greatest filmmakers in bollywood history along with Ramesh Sippy, Guru Dutt, Bimal Roy, Mehboob Khan and Mani Rathnam.

    He made 4 Masterpieces in Ghulami, Hathyar, Yateem and Batwara. He would’ve had a 5th in Kshatriya, which was let down by corny London scenes and a terrible climax.

    His downfall began with the OTT Border and culminated in the ultimate insult in UJ.

    I wish he would return to his Ghulami and Hathyar type of films.
    I also think he’s films would’ve been much more appreciated if he had taken AB rather than Dharmendra. I do like Dharmendra, but felt he was too old for his roles. AB would’ve elevated to higher levels as he is a better actor.

    Maybe he should revive Sarhad, Bandhua and Choodiyan?

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    • “I also think he’s films would’ve been much more appreciated if he had taken AB rather than Dharmendra”

      It can also mean that the film may not have ended up being what it is. I think Dharmendra was a perfect fit for that role, actually all the actors fitted very well in that movie.

      Dharmendra is very underrated actor/star, mostly probably don’t know but he had some huge hits in his career.

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    • At the least, with themes that resonate and are very much prevalent even in contemporary times, gems such as Ghulami and Hathyar should be re-touched and re-released. JP Dutta is owed this bit of gratitude.
      Unlike commonly existing in the West, I doubt if universities in India maintain libraries of yesteryear films. This has resulted in generations upon generations of youth having been deprived of cinematic briliiance of old eras.

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      • Even the original Reels of many yesteryear films are destroyed or decaying in some old wearhouse. Most of the reels are not kept in appropiate climate controlled facility.

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      • * I doubt if universities in India maintain libraries of yesteryear films*

        I doubt if they are maintaining our books…let alone the movies…

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  30. ahmdahc Says:

    This movie is a masterpiece. It was way ahead of its time and Dharmendra’s best ever performances.
    Dutta’s movies mostly flopped as Indian audiences could only relate to run of the mill garbage that are dished out regularly.
    JP Dutta made 4 masterpieces in Ghulami, Yateem, Hatyhar and Batwara.
    Kshatriya could’ve been a masterpiece but was let down by corny UK scenes and a terrible climax. But still way better than most of the movies at that time.
    How I wish JP Dutta returns to this type of films.
    He lost his touch with the OTT Border and its been downhill since.
    Yet, he remains to me one of the greatest film makers in Hindi Cinema.

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    • I absolutely agree with your feedback on movies made by JP Dutta. whether its social issues like (feudal caste system) or portrayal of Rajasthan nobody could outbeat JP Dutta in those days. my opinion might sound biased to some people but i must admit i am a big fan of his movies, they are my nostalgia. at the same time i wont deny magic formula was lost somewhere (similar to what happened with Subhash Ghai). this was evident from Kshatriya where he tried incorporating everything in one movie, one part in Rajasthan and then unnecessarily moving to UK which was very absurd. too many stars in a movie hence nobody could get enough screen time. JP Dutta never believed in numbers hence he only has limited number of movies to his credit, apparently he made movies on topics he felt were right. Border was the last star to his credit (personally didnt enjoyed LOC). a person can be very honest to himself and might find himself a misfit in current times and i feel JP Dutta falls into this category. he just politely walked away in the background rather than chasing success and making movies which he wont believe in. Subhash Ghai couldnt replicate his success of 90s again and he is still trying.
      JP Dutta will always remain one of my favorite directors and his movies like Hathyar and Ghulami will always remain amongst my top favorite movies.

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