The Hrithik/Abhishek ‘Couple’

(updated here because of traffic!)


It might seem at times that one is forever reading too much into ‘the movies’ (!) but people react unconsciously to what they see if not wholly consciously. Movies in any case contain ‘meaning’ in code and not just in obvious ways. A movie like Krrish makes perfect sense in a post-90s India. You have the ‘global’ Indian who can save the world! And the character is played by an actor who certainly feeds into this structure of new found nationalism! In other words, Hritik Roshan is the hero every Indian can be proud of. He’s good looking, tall, fair etc! Bachchan himself fed off a similar structure when he re-invented himself. Again here was an actor who could be offered as a response to the De Niros and the Pacinos in terms of his physicality, his talents, and his sophistication!

With Abhishek on the other hand there is always a ‘return of the repressed’ sense. Even with all his popularity there is far more ambivalence than would be the case for any other actor in his position. Because on the one hand people like him but on the other hand they are disturbed by the fact that he also represents the continuation of the Bachchan monopoly, a strange sort of return to the past.

If Hrithik is the new, Abhishek is new as recycled ‘old’. On the plus side he seems to suggest more stability and ‘permanence’, on the debit side he is ’sensed’ as the one who impedes the new whether by way of Hrithik or otherwise. But this is also a stumbling block for Hrithik who is not enough of a brand-name for a genealogy obsessed culture. He is the ‘entrepreneur’ more or less but Abhishek represents lineage and history. This incidentally plays out in terms of physicality as well to the extent that Abhishek represents the other to the Hrithik ‘aspirational’ model.

In a related way one could say that Amitabh now needs Abhishek even more than Abhishek needs him. Because the more successful the latter gets the more enriched and extended the former’s legacy becomes! To paraphrase Emerson Amitabh Bachchan is the horizon beyond which we still do not see. Abhishek extends that horizon for a generation.

To get back to the initial point though the Abhishek/Hrithik couple is to be taken very seriously because it reflects a kind of split in a wider cultural sense. The ‘new’ India that loves the entrepreneur, the ‘self-made’ individual, in a way this is the importing of the ‘American’ myth (itself not surprising inasmuch as this goes hand in hand with an American corporate ethos that is increasingly ‘definitional’ in India). Now Hrithik of course does boast of a lineage and it could even be argued that being Rakesh Roshan’s son has helped him in more tangible ways (not just in terms of the perfect launch but also later on when his career was in ‘crisis’) but juxtaposed with other far more illustrious names (not just Bachchan but Dharmendra, the Kapoors and so forth) he is able to evade that ‘burden’. In a sense he has it both ways. He reaps the advantages of a significant film connection but can always appear ‘under-privileged’ when juxtaposed with Abhishek. Here again the latter enables the ‘story’ of the former. And again one could flip this around. The same ‘new’ India is also (and still) quite beholden to notions of bloodline, tradition, class and so forth. All of which are perfectly encapsulated by Abhishek. Similarly inasmuch as Hrithik best typifies a contemporary ideal of the ‘gym body’, the ‘achiever’ etc he enables the total other in Abhishek.

Another crucial point here is that both stars aim for box office success and both also aim to be ‘good actors’. Once again it is Hrithik who is the bona fide box office force and universally accepted as such even as he sees diminishing returns on his ‘prestige’ as actor, this despite attempts at the ‘serious’. Jodha-Akbar for example does not really advance the idea of Hrithik as ‘serious actor’. Meanwhile Abhishek is patchy at the box office by any measure but keeps increasing his acting credentials. Again each completes the other. There is a structural analogy here with the earlier split I highlighted. Abhishek’s perceived easygoing attitude is considered to be the ultimate index of his class (‘India’s first family’ as it is often dubbed). He does not have to ‘work for a living’ to rely on certain bourgeois categories. Hrithik on the other hands models his career on the hardworking guy who puts in his very best every single day in terms of sheer physical effort. The former is really what the latter aspires to be. The bourgeois classes try to get more and more ‘upscale’ but can never quite reach ‘class’ defined in the truest sense (this not just in India but every other society as well). Resentment is built into this structure. We resent most what we would like to become but cannot. At the same time we also keep chasing this idea. This entire paradigm enables Hrithik’s greater magnitude as ‘star’ but equally enables Abhishek’s greater prestige as ‘actor’. Incidentally this too reflects a post-Aamir ethos among multiplex audiences where the increasing reliance on a Hollywood model ensures that ‘prestige’ can make up the box office deficit to a great degree (note how Abhishek suffered a setback with JBJ after Guru but doesn’t really seem to be in a worse position today despite having three under-performers or flops in Sarkar Raaj, Drona, D6.. Dostana being the one silver lining and one where the cultural impact it’s made exceeds the pure gross).

The final point to be made here is that unlike Shahrukh both Hrithik and Abhishek can never represent the completely ‘normal’ or ‘mundane’. The argument seems rather obvious for Abhishek but Hrithik himself to the extent that he represents an ‘ideal’ has to appear ‘extraordinary’ in his films (one could neatly correlate his box office success with the latter; whenever Hrithik is ‘ordinary’ his box office suffers). One can see this in the films. Hrithik tries to outdo his previous stunts and dances each time while Abhishek does ‘weirder’ stints as an actor. So if Hrithik is doing salsa and jumping around on trucks in Kites Abhishek is playing father to his father who in turn has a ‘strange’ condition. Not that each does sometimes tread on the terrain of the other for better or worse.

[As an aside I should add that Aishwarya Rai ‘Bachchan’ occupies a rather interesting space here. She also satisfies ‘Hrithik cravings’ for the same audience and of course she arrived before Hrithik. At the same time she becomes a ‘Bachchan’ and hence marries these two paradigms. There is then the D2-like tussle with the husband on one side and the ‘imagined’ transgression on the other. There is a bit of a moral to this ‘story’ and it is a somewhat sobering one. I will end on this cryptic note…]

[Another aside: the SRK/Aamir split is also loosely similar in that it pits the ‘star’ against the ‘star-actor’ but is also unlike Hrithik/Abhishek in that it is a tussle between two ‘entrepreneurial’ models. Aamir turned out to be on the right side of history here even as SRK has been more ‘definitional’ in terms of ‘new India’ and diaspora audiences. Hrithik has more or less followed the SRK model with a strength genre and the ‘different’ attempted as a way of padding the resume while Abhishek has followed the Aamir one where the box office is risked to achieve a ‘prestige’ brand-name. The stakes are higher of course for Abhishek because he carries a unique historical burden called ‘Bachchan’!]

109 Responses to “The Hrithik/Abhishek ‘Couple’”

  1. This ‘couple’ does not interest me only in the pure ‘movie’ sense but as hopefully this piece makes clear for larger cultural reasons. I think this ‘pair’ offers an insight into aspects of the contemporary Indian mindset.

    I should add here that one often sees partisans on either side who give particular attention to the other. At the same time one also notices many who like ‘both’, sometimes one more than the other. So it’s on the one hand an either/or equation but also the both/and one.

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    • Re: “At the same time one also notices many who like ‘both’, sometimes one more than the other. So it’s on the one hand an either/or equation but also the both/and one.”

      Correct: just as with Superman and Batman, people often have preferences — but the Justice League is unimaginable without either of them. I think this “couple” you are analyzing also maps onto a Superman/Batman, or sun/moon dichotomy, with Hrithik the former, and Abhishek the latter…

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      • Quite right Qalandar and I’ve always found your Superman/Batman analogy very telling in this regard. There is also a Zizekian model here where when one thinks of one terms one is immediately reminded of the other. His rather humorous example here is Tolstoy/Dostoyevsky (God forgive me for mentioning those two with Hrithik/Abhishek!) where if you say ‘Tolstoy’ the question instantly arises, ‘where’s Dostoyevsky?’! In other words a couple in a structural sense.

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  2. I already typed two comments & deleted thm as I m speechless about this analysis …(positively ofcourse)

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  3. very deep and insightful analysis satyam.

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  4. I agree, very insightful.

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  5. i must say the writer has wasted his precious time in writing this article.Its a ridiculous analysis.Abhishek is a flop actor and he can never be successful.He is getting films only because of his legendary father and his superstar wife.
    Abhishek can never be compared in any respect with a superstar like HRITHIK.What Hrithik has done and achieved in his career,abhishek hasn’t achieved even 0.00001 percent of that and he can never achieve.Abhishek is a black spot on bollywood while HRITHIK is the brightness of bollywood.The future of bollywood is bright because of a star and actor like Hrithik. Abhishek is good for nothing.So please Mr.writer next time first think practically and then write. Hrithik is an angel for our film industry while abhishek is a demon.Dont insult the great actors like hrithik,amir and shahrukh by comparing them with a good for nothing and the worst abhishek.

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  6. jayshah Says:

    The batman/superman analogy is apt. Are SRK/Aamir like Xavier/Magneto then?!?!?!?

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    • Ha! I’ll leave Qalandar to respond to that one!

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    • Aamir is cerebral enough to be a Xavier, wouldn’t want to go quite so far as to call SRK Magneto! I suppose though there is something to be said about his going over to the ‘dark side’ (Yashraj!) after a promising start.

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      • jayshah Says:

        Well it is a game of power between Xavier/Magneto hence the analogy. I still feel YR missed a trick with D2 – instead of a “Hrithik” show they really should have had an equal billing stand off type film. And Aish being the pivotal link between both of them.

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  7. Most excellent analysis satyam. I indeed agree with many of your points that you have put across vastly well. I’m also in agreement with Qalandar’s Superman/ Batman analogies. Its fits and is vastly apt for both Abhishek and HR persona’s, acting styles, and careers thus far.

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  8. Very interesting analysis, Satyam. This is the essence of what I like about your writing. And also, as Tyler says, congratulations on drawing your first troll. 🙂

    I have read your earlier analysis on SRK personifying a whole cultural shift that was taking place in India, and found that very astute. I think you once wrote a similar one on Aamir. Now I have a couple of requests for you. Though I know that you personally can’t stand Salman, I think that will not stand in the way of your doing an objective analysis on his position and impact on the industry. I wish you would do a comparative analysis on these three in terms of what they meant to the industry and to the general culture at large. For instance, what are the cultural implicagtions of the huge box office returns of HAHK vs. DDLJ? And incidentally, HAHK was the Hindi film that first broke into the UK top ten earners. Why is this fact so often ignored? I mention this because there is a tendency to give SRK/YRF the entire credit for opening the overseas market, but actually it had been done before. The reason why I am requesting you to do this cultural analysis is that I find the current positioning of these three very interesting. In my own mind they play out this way: SRK as the aspirational middle class embodiment, as you have described so eloquently and persuasively in your earlier piece; Aamir as the wannabe international filmmaker/star, with Lagaan and RDB, and Salman as the increasingly marginalized representative of “Indian” values. If you examine their filmographies, I think you will find ample support for these representations, though less so for SRK until he teamed up with YRF/Dharma. I would find it interesting to see your views on this question.

    My second request is for you to do a similar analysis for the top heroines of the immediate past and present. Sridevi and Madhuri both had their heyday in one of the worst periods of Hindi cinema, but they still managed to carve out a space for themselves as heroines, even in a very male centric period. But now the heroine is almost irrelevant to most films, and one is pretty much interchangeable with another. The exception is Aishwarya, who I think is trying for the kind of position that Sridevi had in terms of importance to the film, and succeeding much more in recent years than in her previous career. So, how would you position/characterise Sridevi, Madhuri, and Aishwarya? And how would you characterize the rest of the current day heroines?

    I hope you will grant my requests.

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  9. Even if i agree with some points, i find the constant victimization of Abhi irritating.
    But the Superman – Batman analogy is correct : superman has no fashion sense, and Batman is HOT as hell (silly girls talk 🙂 )

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    • Oops1: The thing is we don’t live in the age of Superman so we find him too clean cut for our tastes. Batman represents far more of the gray and it is but natural that he would appeal more to our sensibilities. In India though it’s interesting. The real Batman age was of course the era of Abhishek’s father! The current Indian dispensation is not ready to embrace Batman on that kind of regular basis. India being poised to be perhaps a world power or at least having such ambitions and all the ‘optimism’ that goes along with this finds the Superman model quite compelling.

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  10. I have a different take on the career graphs and persona’s of Hrithik and Abhishek. The fundamental point of difference between the two, was Hrithik’s dream debut KNPH and its astounding success. Releasing on the same day as Srk’s PBDHH and Aamir’s Mela. After a long domination by the Khans which incidentally still is going strong, Hrithik came across as a breath of fresh air. Tall, handsome, with great dancing skills the movie captured the collective imagination of the nation.( the movie’s story was stupid, but the screenplay and music pretty good).

    In comparision, Abhishek had a lacklustre debut with Refugee where his character didn’t even have a name. From there on, Hrithik was always the star of the future, whereas Abhishek had to constantly reminded of his failure not just as the scion of the Bachan family but also as a peer of Hrithik. That also led to all the big filmakers signing on Hrithik and largely ignoring Abhishek. Not that it was a great success for Hrithik; all his big banner films from Subhash Ghar, YRF and VVC movies bombed. Abhishek on the other hand was doing smaller films with lesser known directors, but equally rubbish movies like Bas itna sa khwab hai, Shararat, Dhai akshar etc.

    Finally both of them got their redemptions with KMG and Yuva in 2003 and 2004 respectively. But again, Hrithik being regarded as the superstar; has been restricted in his choices of roles to play. Much like his character in Luck by Chance. Whereas Abhishek has been free to pursue different characters with mixed success.

    In conclusion(after a long rant), I feel Abhishek inspite of being a better actor has had to face more scrutiny partly due to his lineage, but also being considered a underachiever as compared to his more illustrious friend and peer.

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    • This is a fair summation Vindows. I’d only disagree in the initial characterization of Hrithik somehow being fresh after the ‘Khans’. I don’t believe there is anything that the three have in common in any sense. I’ve heard this elsewhere also but I don’t feel the need for Hrithik to placed in opposition to the ‘Khans’. Plus one important point to remember here is that Aamir’s greatest career moments, all of which have been in this decade also occur after Hrithik’s debut. SRK meanwhile was somewhat off peak but nonetheless had a number of successes in this same period. But especially with Aamir you don’t get the sense of there being anything stale about his career.

      On Hrithik I would also add this. He’s never been able to match the post-KNPH hysteria. It’s not like Rajesh Khanna who kept going from strength to strength for some years after Aradhana. Now it’s reasonable to expect that a star would not be able to replicate Rajesh Khanna but of course (and as you’ve pointed out) Hrithik needed reinvention with KMG. Since then he’s had a very strong 2006 but his work ethic has ensured that his impact gets diluted. I think he has to do more stuff. But again an analogy with Abhishek offers itself who generated a great deal of steam in 2005 (it wasn’t like Hrithik in 2000 but it was still very much Abhishek’s year). And he too let it dissipate. In hrithik’s case the big banners didn’t work, in Abhishek’s case he immediately started doing the ‘different’. So Hrithik even after really being in the driver’s seat in 2006 (his best year since his debut) really let it slip away once again. abhishek did so after ’05 but also after Guru in ’07. Hrithik is certainly a bigger box office force but note how each star has nonetheless played below his potential. What if Abhishek had been wiser (in box office terms) and done at least a couple of very commercial films every year along with the ‘different’. what if Hrithik had done two films every year after ’06 (let alone before) which is not too much to ask of a top star in the Indian system? These questions remain somewhat unanswered. Hrithik still comes up with his strength genre from time to time. Abhishek refuses to do even that. Even a Dostana which is the safest it gets alienates a good cross-section of the audience because of the theme. So it’s hard to know precisely where he lies in a box office sense.

      This couldn’t be said for SRK or Akshay or even Aamir. They’re not minimizing their box office. Yes Aamir could certainly do more but his films have in almost all cases created great impact this decade one way or the other.

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  11. Great analysis! I really like that you mentioned Aish in there. It’s especially relevant in a Hrithik/Abhishek comparison because of how she and Hrithik are considered the better jodi, rather than her and Abhishek.

    Also, Batman kicks Superman’s butt any day of the week for me 🙂

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  12. ideaunique Says:

    very good write-up satyam. I although beg to differ on this – “Hrithik has more or less followed the SRK model with a strength genre and the ‘different’ attempted as a way of padding the resume while Abhishek has followed the Aamir one where the box office is risked to achieve a ‘prestige’ brand-name. The stakes are higher of course for Abhishek because he carries a unique historical burden called ‘Bachchan’!]”

    I feel that Hritik is going aamir-way by doing just one film at a time and giving his best to that one film…..and it is working wonders for him. IMO, he is a better actor than SRK….abhishek in terms of taking risks might seem like he is following aamir….but he doesn’t look convinced with most of the projects he chooses…either he chooses because of friendship or banner or any such reasons which a ruthlessly choosy aamir won’t do….my personal opinion about Abhi is that he has tremendous potential hidden but apart from a mani with Guru, Yuva and few other films – no one has really tapped his skills….sometimes he himself takes things way too lightly….DRONA was a challenge for him where he had a chance to suggest changes on the script, work really hard to look like a superhero and give all those creative inputs which an aamir or a hritik would have given for the same script of DRONA….but instead he chose to trust his “friend” Goldie’s version and blindly followed the instructions and……well!

    I was observing him in Delhi 6 and he has such a marvellously subtle way for certain expressions – and these aspects do not go unnoticed but he needs to look the film as a complete whole before he signs – and that will make a lot of difference to his career – i believe…

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    • Thanks Idea.. it is true that Aamir’s work ethic in terms of doing limited films has certainly influenced many in Bollywood, certainly Hrithik. But ‘what’ one does is equally important. Aamir wouldn’t be doing a Krrish or a Kites. Aamir in fact doesn’t have a strength genre he keeps returning to. Now it’s fair that he doesn’t have a strength genre but this is partly because he’s not comfortably settled into one.

      On Abhishek I think the doing films for friends phase is over. at the same time tendency to take risks without necessarily considering the box office equation hasn’t. I don’t believe he doesn’t think of the latter. He’s just willing to perhaps ignore it beyond a point. This is questionable for a star in a commercial industry but it’s not always about the part. If you’re doing a Paa no matter how the script is done it’s just a risky concept.

      Finally remember that while SRK never did few films until recent years he was trying to do the different earlier. It didn’t work from him whether it was a Dil Se or an Asoka or a Paheli at least not until CDI but he tried it. At the same time I don’t believe the real commitment to quality cinema was ever there the way it was for Aamir. I’m not blaming him for this. A star cannot be blamed for following a more commercial course. I’m just being descriptive here.

      On Drona this is a big black mark on Abhishek. No getting away from this. It’s a miserable film!

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  13. ideaunique Says:

    “Aamir wouldn’t be doing a Krrish or a Kites”…..can’t say anything abt. this fella satyam, one fine morning he might surprise us by announcing this kind of project just like he did with Ghajini 🙂 but one thing for sure, if he does a krrish or a kites….the effort he will put in it will be there for all to see….this sincerity and involvement if abhi shows….i think he will easily reach in the top slot….

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    • I disagree with that Idea. I wouldn’t equate Ghajini with Krrish. The former is very much part of Aamir’s ongoing project. I’ve said a lot of this before but I’m going to summarize things here nonetheless. Aamir very early on in his career moved away from the chocolate hero image and started diversifying. This was particularly hard in the face of the yashraj onslaught but he kept doing it. His 90s are in many ways a mixed way. He was one of the top stars for sure but he was really doing films that weren’t necessarily enhancing his brand-name in the best possible way. After 1993 or so he still had more successes than flops in that decade but the hits weren’t often what that age was looking for. So Raja Hindustani was a massive hit, really made more than every film that decade except for DDLJ but the former most probably sold more tickets than the latter. But RH wasn’t a ‘cool’ film. On the other hand a success like Rangeela which made a fraction of what RH did was in some ways more significant for Aamir. But the 90s were still not the right age for Aamir to really profit with his new ambitions. he was still sort of feeling his way around. The multiplex system wasn’t in place (the very system that SRK once banked on has been as a sociological and economic matter also responsible for the deconstruction of that paradigm), the right kind of talent hadn’t yet emerged and so forth. The way Aamir nonetheless got through that decade on his terms is nevertheless impressive but the most significant thing about the 90s is that it set him perfectly in position for the following decade. People have this inaccurate notion that Lagaan came out of nowhere and reinvented Aamir. The latter is mostly true but the former isn’t. Aamir had been on this path for a while. He just found the right ‘age’ finally. Of course it is also true that Lagaan set new parameters for the industry in terms of ‘prestige’ and so forth.

      Here’s the other thing that is missed and that is in fact the biggest significant difference between Aamir’s film choices and Abhishek’s. The box office fate while being the rather obvious distinction (so far) is in my view not really crucial in a conceptual sense. I’ll get to the box office in a minute. Aamir since Lagaan at the very least (again this has roots in the 90s with Rangeela, RH, Sarfarosh, Ghulam among others) has done a variety of subject BUT he has almost in every single instance projected a populist image. So even when the subjects vary there are strands in his characters that are linked and that maintain continuity. People watch stars because they want repetition in terms of genre but also because they want repetition in terms of characters. The latter is what a star signature is. So when Hrithik does a JA why is the initial way lower than it would be for a Krrish? Part of the reason is genre. Historicals don’t excite people the way stunts do. But also because the Hrithik ‘pact’ with the audience depends on the latter far more than the former. The audience might even think of JA as a potentially interesting film but might not be invested in Hrithik doing such a role. The film has to then come through on its own in a bigger way than with Krrish which depends far more on the star. If Aamir does a JA (notice the extraordinary MP initial, the biggest of its time) the audience shows up in greater number because Aamir’s ‘pact’ with the audience precisely involves such notions of quality and so on. If Aamir did Krrish his audience would be very disappointed. But Ghajini isn’t Krrish.

      This distinction is in any case crucial. Because even when audiences don’t like a film they are satisfied at some level if they see a star in a recognizable avatar on screen which is to say playing a character that is part of a genealogy. Aamir in just about every film this decade satisfies those populist urges. With Abhishek it’s the opposite. Notice how most if not all of the films that do not work actually do not feature Abhishek in a guise that is instantly identifiable. It’s not about doing comedy or drama or whatever but about the ultimate meaning of the character. Aamir wouldn’t be able to pull off an Akshay Kumar comedy, nor would Abhishek. For different reasons their characters have to mean something. With Aamir the point is obvious because he’s established a certain framework over time. But Abhishek also because of his bloodline and also because of the course he’s decided to pursue (in some ways the two are not unlinked) cannot just do a nothing role. JBJ is an example of this as is his very passive superhero in Drona as is also his reticent character in D6. One can talk about the quality of each film but in each case the character in question cannot be connected with an earlier character of his that people have liked whether it’s the Sarkar overman kind of guy or the BnB rogue (JBJ was something else in this regard) or the metrosexual. What are the films that worked over the last two years? Guru which had him in his most larger than life part. Dostana which went back to the metrosexual deal. SR came down after a good first week but given the grimness of the subject that was less surprising. Enough audience interest was there to begin with and of course I’ve always had the theory that by bumping off Abhishek RGV destroys the logic of the franchise. But the Sarkar persona is not one people have a problem with. Let’s consider the rest however. Now he’s doing Paa which is not likely to fit into those earlier models. Then there’s the Bourne-like thriller. Raavan of course does fit into the genealogy and Rathnam has always been very careful in this sense. One could look at other potential examples. The point isn’t that the films that deviate cannot succeed but then it depends more on the project. Getting back to the JA example I would argue that even this film gives the audience a recognizable Hrithik showing off his physique, doing the fight at the end, the stuff with the elephant and so forth. Abhishek often gives the audience simply the ‘character’ not the star. But this is a commercial industry. It’s hard to find great success this way.

      While it is true that Aamir has a superb sense of what works and so forth (though it of course took him a great deal of time to get there) his single most important move is to preserve continuity. People didn’t like MP but they found Aamir recognizable. With D6 people didn’t like the film and couldn’t identify Abhishek from any previous film either. This is where the ‘bad performance’ charge often comes in incidentally. People cannot ‘locate’ the star in his earlier genealogy. When a film does not work audiences blame the film but they are satisfied with the star. If bad films keep happening they might blame the star for poor choices. The bigger problem arises when the audience is left guessing. So which Abhishek shows up? What kind of a film is it? What kind of character? There are more questions with his films than with any other significant star. And Abhishek seems to be fine with this. I actually think he has the most sincere attitude in many ways though it might not be the smartest one.

      However I also believe that Abhishek is ahead of the curve the way Aamir has been. Remember Abhishek’s prestige as an actor (I mean real, authentic prestige and not just media puff pieces that come out about every other star) is increasing at a rather rapid pace. In my view it outpaces that of ever other lead star with the exception of of course his father and Aamir. Also from a distance the larger narrative becomes important. What do we think of when we look at Aamir in the 90s? Certain key projects. No one thinks about the really poor lineup of films he had post QSQT. No one thinks of AHAT. With Abhishek the focus will be on Yuva and Guru and BnB and Dostana and Dhoom and Sarkar and BM. No one’s going to be thinking about JBJ or UJ (unless these films see a revival in their fortunes). From a distance people look at the high points and he has a pretty good list.

      All of this does not mean that Abhishek does not need to develop a better sense of scripts irrespective of the director he’s working with. That’s another thing with Aamir. The latter does not think he doesn’t have to question just because it’s Mehra or what have you. So Abhishek clearly has to learn more though with riskier projects it’s also harder to do so. One is by definition ahead of the curve when one truly does risky stuff but if one does the latter one cannot really calculate the box office perfectly in advance. One cannot be blamed for not having Aamir’s exquisite sense in these matters.

      I would say lastly that I don’t disagree with a lot of the statements on Abhishek’s career vis-a-vis those of his competitors. I just think that often the ‘wrong’ question is asked and similarly there isn’t enough attention paid to what the box office means today. For example when SRK did DDLJ he had a complete victory commercially and critically. Today no star can have that without there being more serious stuff around. Consider how Hrithik kept losing prestige the more times he did a Krrish. JA was a good deal for him but he also had to sacrifice on his usual box office returns. Then he moved onto Kites, a film which so far hasn’t even excited his base as far as I can tell. Which is not to say that it cannot be successful. Just that we live in an age when disposable cinema has many takers but the very same audience also likes to think of itself as committed to quality cinema. Once upon a time there wasn’t the same kind of pronounced split. When I said these things about SRK over the last few years I upset a lot of people. But consider where is he is. What did OSO do for him really? get him the next Farah Khan project which he would have got anyway?! What did RNBDJ do for him? Isn’t this a better example of everything I’ve said? His hits are hurting him more than his flops! And we see it in his lineup? What does he really have that his competitors would really love to do? But SRK has at least had a very long innings, he’s slowed down now, he’s still working at reinvention. Aamir though is at the top of his game. Remember some of those absurd debates of the past where SRK was supposed to have grossed more than him and what not. But consider where each one is or has been for a while. Again the Ghajini gross is very much linked to Aamir’s prestige.

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  14. Abhishek may be chosy, but I feel his sincerilty and effort is lacking in recent movies. He needs a director other than his friends to bring best of him. He takes them granted or viceversa.

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  15. I always see Abhishek’s efforts. I feel Abhishek’s work ethic, sincerity, and talent always shines through in his movies. I do concur that he does need topnotch directors or directors who are on top of their game to guide his movies. But that can be said for many actors in Bollywood. I think it comes down to scripts or having spot on script sense. I feel this is the area that Abhishek needs improvement. But I have never doubted Abhishek’s talent or sincerity because it is there in spades.

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    • Again some of the failures can get overrated. SRK between DDLJ and CDI had failures in every single genre he attempted away from his Yashraj strength genre with the exception of KA that also released in ’95. It’s a long list. One can look it up at IMDB. Some films did better than others but not one that worked whether it was a Duplicate or a Dil Se, a Paheli or a PBDHH. Aamir has a dramatically better success to flop ratio after the ’93 or so.

      The best way to frame Abhishek’s career is to suggest that he has very consciously moved away from strength genres. He will indulge in it from time to time but in no regular sense (here I think he could easily do all the different stuff but also keep up with a regular film once a year at the very least, his volume allows him to do this). On the other hand he is very much interested in ‘different’ projects with interesting directors (new or more established ones, the ‘friends’ have just about all been shed at this point) and is willing to risk quite a bit when he finds one. We all know the pitfalls of such a strategy even as we understand how he’s built up a brand-name in the ways you’ve suggested. Whether this bet can pay off over time, whether he can find some sort of mean here remains to be seen. What does however speak in his favor is that he doesn’t seem to be in a worse position post D6 than he did post JBJ. As long as he can be associated with the ‘interesting’ on his terms he’s ok. But clearly box office success is always the ultimate test of a commercial star.

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  16. sputnik Says:

    Ridiculous overanalyzing article with an agenda to talk about Abhishek and proclaim him to be some great actor or superstar. Hrithik is a decent actor but he is very hardworking and a deserving superstar. Amitabh is one of the finest actors and arguably the all time best actor of hindi cinema but Abhishek is a bad actor who is just riding on his father’s coat tails. If it were not for Amitabh, no one would even offer any roles to him. He is an embarrassment in almost all of his movies bearing some exceptions like Yuva and KANK. Here is a nice article about Abhishek. Abhishek and Fardeen are two of the worse actors in Hindi cinema today who are surviving only bcoz of their being star sons.
    http://tanqeed.com/movies/abhishek.cfm

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  17. An interesting write up as always Satyam. I personally have little interest in Hrithik Roshan barring a few sincere turns in films like LBC and JA (the former is still his most appealing performance) but there’s little denying that he is the culture defining star of the day.

    Abhishek is a strange creature. A star, but not an easy fit for stardom. He’s always been an actor first (and by “always” I mean since Yuva, which is where I’d like to think his career actually began – although I had no problem with him in Refugee) and stardom has been a kind of afterthought. I thought his most effective star turn was probably Bluffmaster, which channeled his talents in a number of very funny, dramatic, charismatic ways. In recent times, though, my problem with him is that he’s not particularly interesting me as an actor. His last really solid work was in JBJ. I suspect Ravana will change all that.

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  18. In fact you touch on what is possibly the heart of the matter GF. Abhishek as the ‘reluctant star’. One of the fascinating things about his career so far (and something we’ve discussed earlier) is the extent to which it involves a kind of walking away from his father’s career. Specially after ’04/’05 when he was really in the zone and could easily have ‘repeated’ himself, at least to a degree, he went in another direction and hasn’t stopped doing so since. He will never have more choices as a star-actor than he does now given that an actor’s options (unless he’s Aamir!) actually shrink with age and yet he is being almost reckless from a pure box office perspective. Really increasing the stakes each time with only a limited number of safe choices from time to time.

    Again I think the Brad Pitt model is the most instructive one here. Of course Pitt doesn’t have the same genealogy but essentially here’s a guy who always had a market, who became a kind of heartthrob and who with his marriage has driven the media into a frenzy. And yet through all of this he has more often attempted quality films and roles than not. A Troy has been rather rare in his career. But much like Abhishek there is the balancing out of this with the celebrity circus off screen. These guys have not been unwilling participants in the media frenzy. I would even go so far as to say that they probably use the ‘capital’ generated off screen to ‘finance’ their on screen (mis)adventures!

    This also gets to another matter. A star principally uses on screen capital to generates opportunities in all other areas. But in a celebrity age or to be more precise in a media-intensive age the star can be equally accessed through these other ‘channels’. Most people just remain celebrities in the latter situation and are just happy to get their share of the limelight. Most star offspring fall in this category. On the other hand Pitt and Abhishek have used this as an enabling factor. Now obviously, and specially with Abhishek, there was perhaps the sense that more success could be had with some of these choices but having learned that this wasn’t the case the latter hasn’t stepped back from it. abhishek worships his father but isn’t he also saying through his career that he would rather not be the guy who does part 10 of BnB or what have you?

    So the ‘reluctant star’ at one level for sure but at another one quite willing to feed into the ‘Bachchan market’. Also unlike Pitt he is quite the personality off screen whether it’s with stage performances or even otherwise in interviews or talk shows or whatever. He doesn’t seem to be uncomfortable with these trappings of stardom. It is just the obvious on screen path he eschews. Hrithik in this sense is the opposite. Never as comfortable off screen and certainly not enough of a personality in the latter instance to make such a split possible.

    The question ultimately becomes whether such a path is really one of self-abnegation where one compromises one’s stardom to achieve fulfillment as an actor or if this is part of a strategy to win it all in the long run by playing a high stakes game. This remains to be answered.

    Getting to the performance aspect of it I liked him most in SR after Guru. Nothing to argue against with Dostana of course but I preferred him in the former.

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  19. I liked him in Guru, Yuva and sarkar. Sarka Raaj he might have done very well, but didn’t reach the audience due to poor script,same with Delhi 6.

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  20. HRITHIK IS THE BEST
    ABHISHRK IS THE WORST

    This is the truth today and no any kind of discussion or article can change this truth.
    Infact whoever doesnt agree with this fact they dont have a practical thinking at all…They are just living in an illusionary world….God save them…hahaha

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  21. And one more thing Mr. writer you have written this article just to make your blog successful.Because you very well know that if you will write the truth and you will praise hrithik throughout your article thrn the reader will not react because its true thats why you written a controversial article mentioning all the false and garbage statements so that the the readers will react in a big way
    Congrats your blog is a success but your views are a big disasters just like the movies of abhishek bachchan…..ha ha ha
    get a life mr.writer…all the best

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    • Wouldn’t you help Hrithik’s cause better if you actually ‘argued’ with something I said as opposed to simply going ballistic? If there was nothing to my claim why would you react so violently? Let’s say someone neutral reads this exchange. Many would disagree violently with me but at least they would (hopefully!) be able to make some sense of it, at least enough to engage either way. But how does one respond to what you’ve said?

      Your comment has been approved here. Not sure how. You might have commented before and I might have approved you at the time. In any case I will let this stand. I am not going to get into a fight over this. If I felt a fight would be provoked I’d take a different view.

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  22. jayshah Says:

    Geez its been a long time since we’ve encountered a lousy poster…not sure what we are supposed to do with it!

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    • IGNORE and press the snooze button.

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    • I was thinking the same thing. This is quite an anomaly! It’s like seeing a peer from back in High School who you didn’t get along with.

      And the metaphor of grade level here is actually too kind given the language used…

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  23. Abhishek does provoke rather extreme reactions.
    The write up as one has come to expect is rather brilliant.
    Unfotunately forAbhishek he plays in a park where he is expected to hit home runs all the time. He has to be able to balance these expectations of BO success with interesting film choices and effective performances.
    I find these charge of insincerity and laziness rather puzzling. I believe some of it results from the fact that acting seems to come rather naturally to him
    and just because his performances are not labored, he is accused of laziness.
    I do think he has to wise up a little bit with his choices and achieve a balance
    between commerical success and artistic satisfaction.
    UMrao Jaan is one performance where I felt he did wonderfully , yet some felt he seemd tired and uninterested. I guess some equayt underplaying with laziness and disinterestedness.

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    • very well said Rajen.. agreed on all counts..

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    • and thanks for the unjustified praise!

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    • True. I find that loud showy acting gets more attention and praise in BW than subtle nuanced performances.

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      • I concur. It seems like actors who ham and chew up masive scenery garner more attention in Bollywood even when the acting is vastly over the top bordering on cringe worthy. I cotton to Abhishek’s more natural and subtle acting skills. I feel that Abhishek is a natural and subtle actor with talent who also knows how to amp it up in a broad manner when called for(ex: BnB, Dostana).

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    • Umrao Jaan is an excellent example, and all the more overlooked because of the film’s dismal run. I really liked Abhishek there. It’s the best kind of subtlety from him because it’s backed up with solid character interplay and an inner universe that one can sense from the shift of the body or a movement of the eyes.

      On the other hand I don’t like him in movies like Sarkar Raj where there’s less than meets the eye (this wasn’t the case with Amitabh in the same film) and the subtlety rings hollow.

      This isn’t something exclusive to Abhishek. Plenty of actors that play it subtle and get points for doing so, even when they’re not really doing anything particularly suggestive. To put it a different way, subtlety can be as showy as bombast if it’s done without consideration or measure.

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      • Subtlety is the actor’s secret weapon or the struggle to create space where often little or none exists (to paraphrase something I once read on the notion of a great footballer). Subtlety assuredly needs the right script to ‘house’ it or else one has a character who is richer than the film in question. This creates an asymmetry. The actor seems out of sync with the film he (or she) inhabits.

        This is possibly what Abhishek is guilty of in Sarkar Raaj (though not in D6). The actor here suggests a character who is perhaps too ‘intellectual’ to belong to the world of this film where ‘force’ (and in turn characters as forces of nature) ultimately matters most. In the first Sarkar there is a degree of balance to the character because Abhishek has not yet completed his journey. But towards the end of that film a different sort of character emerges. It is this character that is then taken to a logical extreme in SR. Even in the Godfather Pacino is very much the ‘thinker’, not just a tactician but someone a bit more metaphysically inclined than the senior Corleone. It is very much this contrast between the older and younger Sarkar. Except of course that where Coppola’s script sets things up perfectly for Pacino RGV’s script never rises to that level and remains at the level of the older Sarkar.

        For Bachchan’s character here is again that of the shrewd tactician. When SR opens one senses very soon that Abhishek’s character has been consumed by this world. In a rather surprising move there is a whole ‘ethical’ aspect that is also introduced here with this character that goes far beyond the simple raja/praja discourse that is the father’s.

        But again the script is not equal to this task and RGV brings up a lot of mixed messages. Indeed Abhishek’s character often seems to be in a different film from that of Amitabh Bachchan’s. The logic of Coppola’s film moves towards Michael and the script finds correlatives for the mind and thinking of the latter. RGV never does this. In a perverse sense the killing of Abhishek which otherwise subverts the logic of the franchise is in this sense perfectly in keeping with the tone of RGV’s script. This world is too superficial to incorporate the ‘thinker’. It only needs ‘gesture’ and not ‘gesture married to thought’.

        To this degree Bachchan seems more effective because I would argue he has in fact ‘less’ to do. He is not required to go anywhere risky as an actor and he does not attempt this. Bachchan of course to his credit understands where the fault-lines of the story are and never tries to exceeds the boundaries of the script. Abhishek does this to an extent. The former though remains predictable in the film. What really does Bachchan display here as an actor that one has not seen in scores of films elsewhere? Sadly this is only what RGV’s script demands — that Bachchan simply play ‘Bachchan’, not ‘Vijay’ but ‘Bachchan’. I think there’s a difference. The former implies a rich character, the latter simply the force of a signature.

        Abhishek is let down by script but he also constantly promises more because he somehow tries to do more with most of his scenes. But because he isn’t the only actor here he cannot completely make the film his own. He might yet have had he not been knocked off but that didn’t happen.

        The reason I am getting into this example at length is to suggest that subtlety where it is not required can be pragmatically a problem inasmuch as an actor is unable to find the center of gravity with respect to a script or even if he (or she) finds it is unwilling to respect it. But this to my mind is different from overplaying characters or going in for bombastic delivery and so on. In the latter instance it is not ultimately about ‘character’. The script might allow for certain options but the actor just chooses to over-pitch these. Even if the script allows for such characterization the actor indulges in an excess of ‘effect’. so for example Abhishek could have completely overplayed the Guru character. The script allowed for this. But he didn’t. In SR however the problem is not one of ‘effect’ but one of the very basic definition of that character.

        I am unsure whether subtlety can seem ‘showy’ because by definition the former is not instantly accessible. There are very many who did not think very highly of Abhishek in SR and many who thought he did not act at all in D6. Wherever one might locate his problems in these films (to the extent that one sees them as such) these could not be in seeming ‘showy’.

        on SR again I have always found Abhishek easily the most interesting actor in the film but I am also willing to concede as I’ve laid out here how that might not be necessarily the best performance for the part (though I don’t think it’s all his fault.. clearly RGV gives him a range in many ways that he does not grant to Bachchan.. which is in keeping with teh Godfather story.. but then he’s unequal to the task of developing the right script.. in a sense Abhishek is enabled and then stranded by the very same script). So I would recast your point and assert that there’s more than meets the eye here where ‘less’ is required. With Bachchan there’s only as much as the script is required and really the latter is hardly a challenge for this titanic talent. The dialog cues in the climax for example can really be sensed a sentence in advance each time! The intonation, the whisper everything is really happening ‘on demand’. There is no surprise. On the other hand you have Abhishek’s little moments with some of the characters, his fine ‘shell-shocked’ reaction after the explosion, his Achilles-like moments at a couple of points, the rather romanticized death sequence and so on. All of this not completely integrated in terms of the script and consequently not in terms of ‘unity of character’ perhaps but nonetheless one with genuine surprises (to my mind).

        To reiterate the larger point here I guess I have never seen subtlety as a demerit with actors even if it can be pragmatically problematic. This is by the way where I really separate very effective stars or actors from fine ones. The latter have ability to surprise, the former never exceed our expectations.

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  24. That’s a well articulated point.

    Subtlety is definitely not instantly accessible in most cases, and I guess the “showiness” I’m speaking of is more of a filmmaking failure than it is an acting failure – namely misusing or abusing silences and stillness. Whether it’s RGV to blame for it or not, though, the SR performance from Abhishek is honestly one I can’t remember. For a film in which his footage is mostly saved for the last few reels, Amitabh Bachchan leaves a much more prominent “residue” in the wake of his work here.

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  25. Mr.Satyam I have nothing against you. I reacted violently because i want to tell you that you can not compare Hrithik with abhishek on any ground.
    I am so much into bollywood and trade business and I very well know the status of every actor.How strong an actor is in India and in overseas markets,I know everything.Hrithik has made a niche for himself all over the world while Abhishek failed to achieve success even in India. Abhishek carries the burden of bachchan sirname or he didn’t make right choice of films all these are just excuses. He is a bad actor thats why he was not accepted and never be accepted. For your info i tell you that now the bollywood producers are getting nightmares who are working with Abhishek bachchan right now after seeing the debacle of sarkar raaj,drona and delhi6 recently. So I wanna ask you why you are wasting your precious time writing about Abhishek bachchan and making silly comparisons with a superstar like Hrithik Roshan. This comparison cannot be made on any ground. Can you write a similar lengthy article about tushaar kapoor who is also a son of yesteryear superstar Jeetendra??He has also carried the burden of his father’s legacy. So come with a write -up why tushaar kapoor is not successful today?? Can you do it?? Its simply not possible. So abhishek bachchan and Tushaar kapoor both belong to the same category in bollywood. Now you can understand my point that why i reacted violently in my earlier comments.

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    • “I reacted violently because i want to tell you that you can not compare Hrithik with abhishek on any ground.”

      I think I can which is why I have done so!

      On the rest if you really believe what you’re saying here you should relax a bit.

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    • Either way there is nothing that forces you to read what I say here. If you don’t like it you can ignore it. Feel free to debate it but I think this can be done in more civil language. I don’t mind criticism at all. But I am rather alert to comments that have the potential of creating fights and so forth. At the same time I also don’t believe that ugly language should be constantly endorsed. You are welcome here anytime but not everything you say will be. Not because of any ‘opinion’ but the way that opinion is expressed. I insist on this.

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  26. Imo, Abhishek is by far a better than Hrithik. I don’t think that his role in JA was “that” complexed to do (i mean, looking sexy and bossy to show i’m the king is not hard for me, except when you have to build the needed body structure 🙂 to act. He did the same in Dhoom 2 !!), and his cameo in LBC was interesting but still not extraodinary. Like SRk, Roshan need someone to direct him well (is it me or the character of Krrish looks more “dumb” than “naive” ?). But what we know is that he can improve and should do so.

    Abhi is talented and has developped a particular acting technic, but again we can see his limits in movies like Sarkar Raaj, when RGV ask him to stare the camera looking calm, cold and dangerous. Instead the lack of real direction from Varma, the script perhaps and the lack of “deepness” of the character makes it look borring. But it has more to do with the film itself than Abhi. Al PACINO plays the same type of character in Godfather 1 and 2 and the tension is there. We don’t fall asleep after 2 hours because the director think that his actor is so “cooool and so supa dupa fly” that he can offer to say nothing and be there… just to be there… looking smart in 3 piece suits.

    So for sexyness : Abhi 0 – 1 Hrithik
    And for acting : Hrithik 0 – 1 Abhi

    Everyone is happy 🙂 !!

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  27. GF,
    You hit the nail right on the head with SR

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  28. [comment in completely bad taste, therefore entirely deleted..]

    Sorry Sunny but I gave you a fair chance.. (Satyam)

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  29. This is a whole lot of meaningless drivel.Are you inspired by Sir Humphrey Appleby?

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  30. my opinion
    i think Hrithik is indeed a good actor, i mean that guy makes me forget it is him on screen, he makes me believe that those characters are real and they exist somewhere in India (esp. Rohit Mehra from KMG and Akbar from JA) well i don’t see how people can’t see his subtle acting but everyone has their own opinion and i respect that, now talking about Abhishek, he is not a bad actor, he’s got potential but he hasn’t showed it up, he needs to put more efforts and preparation to succes. That’s the main difference between Hrithik and Abhi, Hrithik prepares himself a lot for a role, from training in martial arts in hong kong to learn a dif language.

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    • No one is saying Hrithik is a bad actor (unlike others who like to make that blanket claim about Abhishek).

      However, using your two examples, I can make a case for weaknesses. In JA, Aishwarya was Jodha (the speech pattern, language and movement) but you could see Hrithik ‘acting’ as Akbar in some scenes. He did not become the character although overall he did a good job. In KMG, he was just a caricature as Rohit.

      BTW, lengthy preparation for a role does not mean one is successful in the role. See the famous quote by Sir Laurence Olivier who was disdainful of ‘method’ acting.

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      • Daniel Day Lewis skinned a rabbit for Last of the Mohicans. I always wondered how this was ‘performance’. If you’re actually doing it you’re presumably not acting!

        Olivier when shooting with Dustin Hoffman for Marathon Man once arrived on the set and saw Dustin running all over the place. He asked the latter about this and Dustin said he needed to be out of breath for a scene and was preparing for it. Olivier snapped ‘why don’t you just act?’!!!

        But we now live in an age in India where this sort of ‘work’ is appreciated greatly by many multiplex audiences. Again it’s partly a question of advertising. Abhishek was again the truer ‘De Niro’ (Raging Bull) when he put on weight for Guru and even showed his paunch in a scene. The common thing to both performances is that the actor does something (weight and age) that is somewhat unflattering in a physical sense. Hrithik doesn’t do this. Hrithik as Akbar is basically the Latin Mughal. The emperor with a gym body! If you’re into Hrithik for D2 reasons you will assuredly not be disappointed with JA!

        I’ve said this before. I don’t consider Hrithik a ‘bad’ actor, just a superficial one. I like him in some places better than others. But he is never a ‘character’, always Hrithik. In this sense he is very much the John wayne kind of deal. The thing is that people completely confuse effectiveness on screen with ‘performance’. We are attracted to stars on screen not only for reasons of ‘acting’. Now one can interrogate whether it is necessary for a star to be a pure actor (clearly it didn’t hurt Wayne or Eastwood) but that’s a different debate. Western critics find Eastwood very effective on screen and often praise him for his roles but they never make the mistake of juxtaposing him with Pacino or De Niro. To compare Hrithik with Abhishek is not to argue like for like. I could put abhishek and Aamir and Saif and Akshaye Khanna (to take a few examples) on the same spectrum. But Hrithik doesn’t belong on it. There are very many stars in every industry, even legendary ones who belong to the Hrithik side of the ledger. There’s nothing wrong with this. But to insist that everyone who’s acceptable on screen is an actor is rather erroneous.

        Incidentally I would more or less place Ash on Hrithik’s side of the ledger as well but not Rani or Madhuri.

        By the way I am a great Eastwood fan and enough of Wayne one. There are stars too. I liked Hrithik in KNPH and then in JA. Not much in between though he’s usually likable on screen. I think he was skilfully used in LBC for the very reasons I am pointing out.

        And I probably going to make Ravi mad when I say this (having already said it about Hrithik!) that I love watching mahesh Babu but he’s a non-actor pretty much (not something I’d say about Hrithik) and yet he is extremely effective in his masala outings. So these judgments hardly prevent me from liking stars. I like watching Akshay Kumar (even if most of his comedies are beyond me!) but I don’t confuse him with a thespian.

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  31. There were many responses to this thread and I decided it was appropriate to update it. Unfortunately I couldn’t approve many of the responses because these had nothing useful to say and pretty much resorted to name calling. I welcome any and every criticism of my positions here or anywhere else but I insist on a certain civility. Sometimes there are comments that operate on the ‘border’ but I approve them if I feel it’s only a stray comment. However if there are ten of the same kind I can’t approve all of them, otherwise the genuine discussion that is part of the same thread gets hijacked.

    I do note with some interest a couple of things:

    1)For the longest time it was hard to come across a severe Hrithik partisan online. One would find very many with SRK but Hrithik fans generally did not belong to this class. But vis-a-vis Abhishek there is always something that has made certain Hrithik fans simply snap!

    2)I used to say this earlier on NG as well but anytime there is an extreme reaction to a topic which does not even minimally follow the structure of an argument or debate then it is clear that there is far more ‘autobiography’ in the comment than would otherwise be necessarily the case. In other words it is precisely what one tries to repress that troubles one the most. It is precisely because ‘Hrithik-Abhishek’ is a kind of ‘couple’ that this linkage offends so many so much.

    3)It is not only about Hrithik partisans (separate from fans). Abhishek (as Rajen has always pointed out) seems to drive many other fans up the wall also. The terms of the argument have kept shifting when it comes to those who attack him (distinct from those who critique him). I’ve seen every argument in the book used over the years to de-legitimize him. It’s not worthwhile to repeat all those positions here but again when every conceivable unflattering thing is said about him, when there’s nothing common to all the criticism (except the strategy that insults must be multiplied in every direction) it becomes clear that Abhishek does not bother anyone for the reasons they claim to believe but for many (if not all) of the reasons I’ve laid out here.

    4)Every time I write this kind of piece the detractors convince me more each time that I am onto something!

    5)To be very clear once again I welcome criticism. If someone considers Abhishek the worst actor around and Hrithik the best that’s fine. One is not obliged to make a case for this either. But if the approach becomes an ad hominem one I have to ‘censor’.

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  32. Extremely valid points but, to paraphrase -For the intelligent and the honest, no clarification is needed and for the dumb and the prejudiced, none is enough.

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  33. Great piece as always Satyam and you know know I could write an equaly long piece on the same demography of Abhishek and Hrithik but decided not to as the facts are quite simple . Hrithik will always be the superstar loved by the masses and Abhishek will always be the actor loved by lovers of cinema .

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    • Thanks Aramak.. of course one of the things I am trying to do here is to problematize the star/actor divide with these two. I think it’s more complicated than this.

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  34. Sadly that’s the problem , for while Abhishek can claim to be an actor/star and be recognised as this by genuine cinema goers . Hrithik is star who will end up likely to be a superstar but there will always be question marks about him as an actor as he won’t do anything he doesn’t think is a bonafide hit or showcase him .

    Detractors will say his hits prove he’s a good actor and Abhishek’s flops prove he’s not and that’s what they judge on , not getting the performance to match the character or subtlety that means that the effort that goes into the craft looks absent . To many it doesn’t matter , just the box office is the be all and end all and to some extent they are right till Abhishek matches box office to performance we are wasting our time putting the point across .

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    • But note how Hrithik’s ‘superstardom’ certainly isn’t a given the way SRK’s once was even in an age where this word has become so cheap. Note how Hrithik has pretty much never been called the top box office star. Even Akshay has had a fair number of pieces proclaiming him as such. I recall even after his spectacular 2006 he wasn’t called the topmost star. In fact TOI had the storyline “Hrithik and Abhishek battle it out for box office crown” with Guru being part of the narrative. And of course the ‘couple’ crept in here as well!

      Also these narratives in the media age do not exactly coincide with reality. Why wasn’t Aamir called the top star throughout this decade when he had a great case to make? Ghajini seems to have sealed the deal for him but even so he’s hardly getting the Akshay sort of writeup. Certain kinds of mass stars get proclaimed as the top ones more easily but even so a certain volume is required which Hrithik hasn’t had for a long time and nothing looks to change on this front. You cannot be the top star if you do a film once in two years!

      Similarly Abhishek makes up with his media presence as well as volume to some degree. No one thinks he’s a box office force the way Hrithik is but at the same time there is always the sense of something ‘major’ about him which is reflected in his projects and of course the larger media reception. Also note how he doesn’t seem to be in a worse position post-D6 than he was post-JBJ. Why not?

      But also the value of a hit like Kites (assuming it’s one) is constantly decreasing in the current age with precisely the sort of audience with whom ‘prestige’ matters. The issue is not the ‘hit’ but what the hit means. If you’re Akshay and have multiple hits in a year you can make the argument moot. But again the volume is needed.

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    • I don’t disagree with your points though. You’ve summarized them well but one can sometimes rely too much on an online sample which I’m not sure is always the best one..

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    • SRK is a good example of everything I’ve been saying here. Somehow RNBDJ hurt him more than his relative failures in earlier years. This when he actually has three superhits in a row with CDI, OSO, RNBDJ. Somehow his cause hasn’t been helped the way it should have been. for a different set of reasons but the point is that hits can often mean less than flops. SRK at his peak never had such continuous success but it was still his peak. Rajesh Khanna had a super ’74 but the writing was on the wall for him. Hrithik obviously is a young star and doesn’t have those issues but one does sense some unease in him with his career narrative vis-a-vis the competition.

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  35. I don’t like what people are trying to say when they consider that Abhishek is loved by real cinema lovers, and Hrithik is just loved by the rest of the mass. WE ARE A PART OF THE MASS, all of us ! I don’t know about all of you guys but i consider myself not to be above of the crowd, and i still can recognise the talent in both of them.

    I know that in India, multiplexes have change the game and cinema is becoming more and more a question of classes. But, i thought that this blog was one of the few to say that it was not the best thing to do, that the salvation of indian cinema was the creation of a more national and universal cinema that could talk to everyone from north to south, Est to West, from rich to poor.

    So when some people decide that not loving or understanding an actor is the proof of his condition or his lack of knowledge (i’m exagerating a little bit, but it could be taken that way), i don’t agree to say the least.

    I know that there’s different kind of actors, but i don’t think we could compare the gap between Abhi and Hrithik with the gap between Tom Cruise and Daniel Day Lewis ! First because i doubt that the former couple could work together in Mission Impossible 4, like Abhi and Rosh in Dhoom 2, but also because the later couple is a part of that gigantic monster called MAINSTREAM CINEMA. Those little step aside to do something “different” should not fool anyone. Indian film industry is just discovering that there’s thousands and thousands of ways to tell a story that can be accepted by the audience, and to make a commercial success.

    My two cents.

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    • I agree with most of what you’re saying. I did not intend that sort of direct analogy with Day Lewis. My own Hollywood couple for Hrithik/Abhishek has always been Tom Cruise/Brad Pitt. I think that’s a fair correspondence though of course the Bachchan signature complicates everything for Abhishek quite a bit.

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  36. http://ibnlive.in.com/news/hrithik-to-play-big-b-in-agneepath-remake/95180-8.html

    I don’t see it happening. KJ better don’t touch that movie…

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    • Holy shit. Could they stop casting shitty actors in Bachchan’s roles? I mean I really don’t have anything against Hrithik but this news is ridiculous. You don’t cast a boy in a man’s role.

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      • I have doubts about this one but Hrithik should refuse such a project if he has an iota of good sense in him..

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        • Yeah, I simply don’t buy it. I could see KJ wanting to dip into the Dharma well for an iconic moment that he “owns” but I’d be really surprised if they did this.

          Then again, we’re living in a post-SRK Don age. Any crime seems possible.

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        • Yeah Agneepath just doesn’t seem to be Johar’s kind of deal. But were he to attempt it in any fashion it would be odder still if he did not have the SRK=Bachchan deal to go along with it.

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        • Well true or not it’s being carried in most of the media outlets!

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        • There’s been speculation in the media about Abhishek ‘surprisingly’ not being given the remake. Don’t know the back story here but do know that Abhishek as a matter of policy would not consent to remake most Bachchan films, at least not those that have immortal performances. Which is as it should be! Someone should have a sense of decency about this stuff!

          Nonetheless Abhishek does have two interesting ‘takes’ on the film.. the humorous moment in BnB when he spoofs Vijay Chauhan and then the climactic trial scene in Guru where he offers a bit of an ‘essay’ on the same. This is I think as far as one should go! I do rate both moments highly specially the latter because it would have been easy to simply clone Agneepath, a danger that Abhishek avoids.

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      • No one could take on Agneepath anyway. It’s not my favorite film by any means but Bachchan here is at his mightiest in terms of his signature (even if I don’t worship the role the way many others do) and it would be a really bizarre remake. Having said that the media age we live in has a way of making the transition from the sublime to the ridiculous and making sure everyone eventually gets on board. Don is not less ridiculous to my mind all these years later. But yes Agneepath’s Bachchan and Hrithik as a ‘match’ lets beats the older record!

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    • masterpraz Says:

      GULP..he is!

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  37. Also Satyam, not to get all mushy, but Jay’s above comment about not coming across a certain kind of poster/comment on this forum for so long gets to something very important. Mainly that this space has been a real pleasure to work within and to watch it grow as it has is rewarding…

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  38. ideaunique Says:

    hritik is certainly a sellable hero – his movies guarantee BO success – KITES will reconfirm it – Abhi hasn’t reached there yet, but he has the potential. Actingwise – I wudn’t say H is better than A or vice versa – I wud say something on those lines after 10-15 years….but Abhi has to choose his projects right NOW….or it will be too late….although i don’t see his future as bleak as Tushaar Kapoor 🙂 Neil Nitin Mukesh is signing good films….so is Imran and so is Ranbir….and so is Shahid….so Abhi is senior to them and there also he has Hritik as a competitor….amongst all these – he has to excel (survival won’t be an issue for him ever)…..while i wud very much like to see abhi excel – at present, he is just not there for me….but no doubt, he has few good films – mani’s ravana, Dostana2…..but he needs to something which can bring him HUGE BO COLLECTIONS at the BO…

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  39. Hola Bhailog.
    We have had similar discussions in the past in a diff world..lol.
    I agree with Satyam in one of his comments up there that Abhishek has let the energy of his positive performances carelessly dissipate away.
    I have felt he listlessness of his recent performances, and wondered, why does this guy not put more into it. Perhaps he doesnt have the motivation to take it to a diff level, after all, he already has everything he needs in life. None of the other succesful stars ever had the prestige or the wealth going for them before they stepped in front of the camera for the first time. Maybe RishiK is an exception.
    The big diff when comparing to BigB’s career graph is, that even the lousiest of his movies contained pure superlative performances. Amitabh in front of the camera always sparkles. But thats cause Pa at 65+ still packs more energy than a lot of the buffed up 20 something heroes of BW. Abhishek needs to get more of that energy back.
    HR has all that energy packed in. He has played good diverse chars, but he needs a Lallan type of role to seal the deal.

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    • I disagree there Nykavi (and by the way great to see you here).. as someone suggested it’s his effortlessness at times that makes his performances seem less than they are. Note how no one had the kind of problem with Dostana that they did with D6. As for SR this is the very same Abhishek everyone loved in the first installment (indeed even in the second check out all the positive reviews of the film and at least half think he had the best performance or certainly not one secondary to his father.. I pointed this out at the time as well but it got drowned out in the hysteria). Indian audiences just relate more to obviously showy performances. There’s no polite way to say this. So Abhishek is the greatest actor on earth for Guru but often the poorest one for D6 (again one must be precise.. the major media publications actually gave D6 a positive review and had mostly good things to say about his performance here)! But even beyond this I think it’s a huge myth that Abhishek somehow takes things lightly or doesn’t want to put in as much effort or whatever. We uncritically accept these things without really examining them for a second. Is a guy who’s so devoted to interesting films that he willing to compromise his box office potential for it (the very box office that it took ages for him to achieve) really likely to be the sort of person who does not want to put in effort? This doesn’t appeal to minimal common sense. If you want to be that kind of star you basically keep doing BnB 2,3, 4 and then Dus 2,3, 4 and so on. why would you do a lot of this other stuff? The other films make it easier for you in box office terms and you have to work less hard too. presumably it’s easier to do repeats of BnB or Dus as opposed to Guru or Raavan?! Again what has he got easily? Being Bachchan’s son? How many big directors signed him when he was struggling for this reason? How many well known banners? What advantages did he get? A launch? That everyone else from the industry also gets? Or is the advantage the comparisons that are drawn up with your father who holds a rather unique position? Do we call Brad Pitt laid back because he doesn’t choose to do a Troy again and again? Do we think Cruise works more than Pitt? C’mon! If I sound annoyed over all of these myths it’s not because I have great admiration for Abhishek’s talents or any sense of partiality towards him but because I constantly see these things being thrown out and completely uncritically accepted. A couple of hits here and there and Abhishek would have looked like the wisest guy around. let’s not kid ourselves that it’s about anything else. There is actually no evidence, none, to suggest that he works any less than anyone else. Because he has a certain celebrity attached to his name because of his background and so on it does not logically follow that he’s working less hard! Why doesn’t he do one film a year like some of his peers? Why so many? Is that a prescription for relaxation? What prestige did Abhishek have when he was struggling all those years? Could one say about Hrithik that he lacks the drive because if he just did 2-3 films every year and was successful at it he’d really be called the top star? Why doesn’t he do so? Why do we pretend we care about quality films when we’re quite happy with RNBDJ and Kites as long as these are box office successes? There is a very simple reason to Abhishek’s track record in the last couple of years. He’s done too much across the board in terms of subjects, risked too much. he continues to do so. This might not be a great strategy in terms of the box office but what does this have to do with one’s work ethic? He was unlucky with JBJ (Akshay had worse luck with Tashan and CCTC) but Dostana has done a great deal for him. The film grossed well enough given the cross-sections it alienated. certainly it’s been all over the place from award shows to reality shows. There’s been a buzz about this film that’s even surprised me. The point is that commercial projects work for stars. You can disagree with a star’s philosophy but when the same star continues to attract some of the choicest projects in town, when the same star is valued very highly by many of the best directors around for his abilities and so forth, when no director I know of has ever complained about his work ethic (there has never been a peep about this even from the media) I don’t see what grounds there are to imagine such a problem exists?

      All of this is not directed against you Nykavi. I am just reacting against an entire set of attitudes and again because what I find irritating here is simply the lack of any serious examination when confronted with these myths. When everything with hrithik flopped between KNPH and KMG despite big banners was Hrithik simply a guy who wasn’t working hard but then suddenly decided to after KMG?

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  40. Satyam!!!…Don’t you have the minimum common sense that Hrithik is accepted as a better actor than Abhishek world-wide.If you believe your words so much then why not put up a poll asking who among these two is a better actor.I’m sure that Hrithik will rule over Abhishek if you do it…a small challenge for you,Mr.Satti :p

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  41. well satyam you should ask this guy if hrithik is such a good actor how many of his movies can anyone watch again and again? i could only come up with k3g and that too not because of hrithik and the others as far i am concerned were time pass

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    • That’s subjective Shakti.. enough people presumably can watch his films enough times though I do get your general point inasmuch as Hrithik’s films seem to have no shelf life.

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  42. Of all the original commentary I’ve done here this is the one that has been the greatest success in terms of page views. It’s among the top 7 most visited posts. Moral of the story? You need stars to sell anything!

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  43. A lot of people got upset with me for twinning these two. My claim has always been that they’re joined at the hip for many reasons. But note how often the hrithik stories in the media, those that turn out to be untrue, for example all the films he rejects with great directors (!), often have an abhishek angle to them. So whether it’s his camp doing the good work or the media on its own clearly Abhishek figures in a big way. But if there is no correspondence at all why would anyone do this?!

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  44. masterpraz Says:

    Brilliant piece..will be putting this on my blog if it’s ok:)!

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  45. Meanwhile in the real world year 2021: “Hrithik Roshan Becomes The ‘Youngest Superstar’ To Enter The Elite List With Dilip Kumar & Raj Kapoor”

    https://www.koimoi.com/bollywood-news/hrithik-roshan-becomes-the-youngest-superstar-to-enter-the-elite-list-with-dilip-kumar-raj-kapoor/

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