A brief note on Imtiaz Ali’s impoverished Love Aaj Kal


Imtiaz Ali has made a deeply disappointing film. After Jab We Met he has confirmed once again that his ambitions amount to nothing more than a tweaking of the Yashraj paradigm. The older film was at the very least focused and was done in a relatively minor key. Though overrated by critics and audiences alike it was nonetheless fairly enjoyable fare. With this new film the director attempts a big glossy work and with some of his outrageous plot developments even tries to beat Yashraj ‘logic’ at its own game. The result is a largely insipid, turgid film which entertains only intermittently with some good comic timing by the lead actors. But this is otherwise a mismatched pair with little real chemistry. Saif himself shows real signs of wear and tear here and though one can sense his effort he has very little to work with in terms of the script. For the director is simply happy gallivanting around the globe. Instead of focusing on the camaraderie of the lead ‘contemporary’ pair he introduces a rather senseless parallel track which allows the director to have his cake and eat it too. With the older love story he can wallow in the treacle of tradition, with the newer romance he can pretend to be edgy and ironic. As it turns out there is no real lucidity to either track, neither really illuminates the other. The first half starts off somewhat tentatively and often has a disjointed rhythm to it. The second settles down into a more conventional narrative which gets increasingly predictable with time. The entire film represents the sort of conformism Karan Johar would be proud of. And to think that Imtiaz Ali otherwise represents a younger brigade that is quite happy to thumb its nose at more commercial industry trends, especially those of the Yashraj kind. Is this the film Kashyap praised so much? Surely one’s word should have a little more credibility! It is impossible to believe that this could be Kashyap’s sort of film. But perhaps dishonesty is acceptable as long as one thinks one is only helping out a friend! Are these the people who (otherwise justly) get annoyed with the nepotism of the industry?

[the only thing I liked here were some shots of Delhi and Calcutta. Some evocative scenes in this sense]

166 Responses to “A brief note on Imtiaz Ali’s impoverished Love Aaj Kal”

  1. What in the world tempted Rahul Khanna to come out of hibernation for this sort of part?! Never mind.. I might know the answer here!

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  2. Ouch. Well, quality-wise, it seems that more than one critical voice that I trust has found the film lacking…

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  3. Aarkayne Says:

    All said and done, this movie is worth at least one watch guys. I have expressed what I feel about the film in the comments section of Sandy’s review. While I guess there was something different both Satyam and Sandy expected out of this, it is not half as bad as the disappointment they have had. My 2 cents.

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    • mksrooney Says:

      hi aarkayne (firstly what does that mean? )

      havent read ur spoiler comment..but thnks for encouragement…i mostly like many a bolywood films..let see

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    • I’ll watch it for sure. My gut feeling on this film is the audience wants it to be a hit. So even if it does not meet expectations, I expect it to do well. This is exactly the type of film that will capitalise on the drought. Haven’t read Sandy or Satyam’s review, saving that for after I have watched it!

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    • aarkayne, I read your comments.. I don’t, maybe I was expecting more here but I was completely bored. And I’ve seen stuff other Saif love stories in the theater. HT was passable, I enjoyed SN quite a bit. Again not that I had unrealistic expectations or anything but I found it a chore to sit through this one even in the second half. The moments of interest were far too few for me,

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  4. “With this new film the director attempts a big glossy work and with some of his outrageous plot developments even tries to beat Yashraj ‘logic’ at its own game. The result is a largely insipid, turgid film which entertains only intermittently with some good comic timing by the lead actors.”

    This sums up the whole film. Superb piece Satyam. Agree with almost everything you’ve said.

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  5. mksrooney Says:

    Jayshah- congrats totenham won the asia cup….goood preseason

    http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_5464211,00.html

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  6. I have been reading reviews and comments on various forums and the bottomline is that most viewers are disappointed with this movie. They went in with high expectations based on the director and his previous movies and this movie seems to be his weakest offering. The WOM is not positive overall.

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  7. mksrooney Says:

    som, jayshah, satyam, other bo experts- isnt 42 crore for such a movie a bit too expensive..i feel when saif himself produces the movie the movie cost should be around 30 crores.

    or i feel they quoting exagreted budet..certainly i cant see 42 crore.

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  8. What is turgid?

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    • mksrooney Says:

      dictionay . com results for turgid 🙂

      Related Words for : turgid
      bombastic, declamatory, large, orotund, tumid

      adj.

      1. Excessively ornate or complex in style or language; grandiloquent: turgid prose.
      2. Swollen or distended, as from a fluid; bloated: a turgid bladder; turgid veins.

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      • lol thanks, you saved me some time. Satyam ka post pad ke Eng lit ka revision ho jaata hai 🙂

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        • mksrooney Says:

          surely sandy many a times after reading satyams review i have to check the dictionary… 🙂 (makes me doubt my english medium knowledge!)

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        • I back that completely. Many a times I need a dictionary while reading Satyams writing. But my English is limited, so not a big deal and take this opportunity to pick up new words.
          Other day , I read the word ‘Faustian’ in Big B’s blog.
          I had never heard that word.

          Just in case, if you want to avoid a few clicks as per dictionary it means ‘possessed with a hunger for knowledge or mastery’.

          BYW Satyam this is 109 comments. Did not except this movie to get lot of attention here.

          In a unrelated note, bumped into Bappi Lahri and his family at Malibu Temple today 🙂

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        • Rajesh, you guys are all having some fun at my expense!

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        • mksrooney Says:

          lol..

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        • “In a unrelated note, bumped into Bappi Lahri and his family at Malibu Temple today”

          Ouch!

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        • Malibu temple (front) was featured in Beverly Hills Ninja movie. And once Britney came to the temple.
          Malibu Temple

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        • Thought the temple’s architecture seemed Southern.. then saw it was a Venkateshwara temple and it made sense.

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        • Forget to mention.
          The word ‘Faustian’ was in Satyam’s comment to Big B’ s blog.

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        • you’re surely pulling my leg!

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        • mksrooney Says:

          lol..satyam

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  9. Also, I don’t know if you felt this Satyam, but there was a certain artificiality about the film, a pre-meditatedness that I did not like. It’s just not spontaneous.
    Note how in the scenes where Saif -the Sardar character – goes to Calcutta, the frame has women wearing crisply ironed Bengali saris being made to walk around, Bengali film posters and so on….so deliberate.

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  10. mksrooney Says:

    well my bad luck with schedule continues…bhai bhabhi coming cant see it today…

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  11. @Mksrooney, I am not sure of this 42cr thing, Taran says it is 48cr including print and publicity. But yes it is an expensive film.

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    • mksrooney Says:

      Firstly deepika is appearing with satyam on Dus ka Dum today…and deepika explains to salman ek chuthi sindoor scene…. so it explains that even by satying home i will be able see deepika…and tomo on big screen 🙂

      i m interested to see how it trends now that its as expensive as 48 crores…saif should learn from aamir to make less expensive films

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    • mksrooney Says:

      Rangan on deepika

      “Deepika appears too callow for the part, and Saif too callused. (Plus, he’s really the last actor you’d cast as a Sardar.) She isn’t quite equipped (at least, as yet) to pull off the heavier scenes, while the edges of his solipsistic character are softened by light moments that try far too much to make us like him.”

      what does callow and callused means??

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  12. From Shobhaa De’s blog:

    I am not in the best of moods… I have just come home after enduring two hours of unadulterated tedium in the form of ‘Love Aaj Kal.’ Right now, I’m in no mood to feel sorry for Saif… I’m feeling sorrier for myself. I haven’t been this bored for a long, long time. Much as I like Saif, there is something called too much of a good thing . Saif is in every damn frame! His monologues are embarrassing, and I got the distinct feeling if he could have played Deepika’s role as well, he probably would have! He plays the jawan Rishi Kapoor ( the best moments in the film), and he pretty much plays himself for 120 minutes. There is no story as such, no fun stuff either. The item numbers are stale and borrowed. Plus, there is a truly ghastly New Year’s eve sequence which redefines ‘tacky’. What else??? Rishi Kapoor is the sole saving grace in an otherwise pointless movie. The anonymous young girl who plays the young Neetu Singh is refreshingly natural, likeable and way better than Deepika, whose make up is most unfortunate! Howcome the film has received a four star rating?? What’s there to like??? If it’s a hit, Saif will have the last laugh, of course. But come on, Imtiaz Ali – much more was expected from you after the sizzle, crackle and zing of ‘Jab We Met.’

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  13. There was a rather good crowd in my suburban theater given it had been raining all day. I got the sense that reactions were muted after the first half but I think people did like it after the second one.

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  14. mksrooney Says:

    som –
    “Jai (Saif Ali Khan) hooks up with a charming blonde, and subsequently, in order to share the good news, he dials Meera (Deepika Padukone). (She’s his ex; they’ve had the most gracious, good-humoured breakup in the history of the universe.) At the other end, Meera smiles, genuinely happy that Jai has moved on – but once he hangs up, she’s not so sure. She catches sight of herself in the mirror. She pulls in her waist. She appraises her posture. She parts her lips wide, as if to reassure herself that it’s indeed a dazzling smile, capable of drawing someone charming into her life too, perhaps her boss Vikram (Rahul Khanna) who’s taking her to dinner – and she changes into a dress that reveals more-than-necessary leg and cleavage for a casual evening out (even if it is something of a date.)”

    i guess som will love the scene 🙂

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  15. mksrooney Says:

    Satyam i feel rangan liked the movie a lot and he doesnt feel it to be in yrf mode.

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  16. mksrooney Says:

    Rangan on Lak casting-
    “n a relatively short span, Ali has become our foremost chronicler of the warts-and-all modern-day romance – and possibly the only thing that keeps Love Aaj Kal from true greatness is the lead pair. (I kept imagining Ranvir Shorey and Konkona Sen Sharma as Jai and Meera, but then the lines at the ticket counters wouldn’t snake around the block, would they?)”

    lol…

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  17. mksrooney Says:

    Satyam…meanwhile sandys post..trailer wanted..jayshah bo column etc have seen a great response in past week i feel..kudos man i feel with more big movies coming satyam shot will defintely start touching 100 comments regularly… and 200 in some cases like 3 idiots, kites etc

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  18. In terms of the box office I will say that I would like Saif to have a success here. Because he needs one after a drought (of course he had Race but no one got any serious credit here). And if it’s a blockbuster good for him.

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  19. I enjoyed the film a lot and found it one of the finest love stories in years. It’s more matured and progressive than pretty much any Hindi film these days. And I think it’s wrong you keep accusing Kashyap of being biased. Just because his opinion is radically different from yours doesn’t mean he is biased.

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    • I haven’t yet seen Love Aaj Kal, so this is a general reaction:

      Re: “Just because his opinion is radically different from yours doesn’t mean he is biased.”

      I must say I too get the feeling that Kashyap over-praises films by his friends and acquaintances that he wouldn’t if anyone else made them. More specifically, he doesn’t just praise them but seems to suggest they’re somehow different etc. I feel he did the same with a film like Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na. Now, no one should quarrel with Kashyap using his pulpit to plug a film like Sankat City, but surely there is no need to where a big budget film from an established director like Imtiaz Ali is concerned.

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      • mksrooney Says:

        may be q bhai this guys imtiaz anurag pankaj have struggled a lot…and of them anurag is the one who feels he need to still promote his friends film …thats i say is a friendship bonding…

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        • mksrooney Says:

          and thats why i dont feel bad towards anurag..

          between q bhai ahmedabad brts has started its trial run for free to check its working with public..and ahmedabadis the ligfe long conjus are njoying a lot…

          also its quite good will see if i czn catch a video somewhere and give to u…it makes the road feel beautiful ..and life like

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        • I’d love to see a video if you can track it down — glad to know it’s started…

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        • mksrooney Says:

          not exactly started as i said its trial run free of charge initially…the ticketing system, ac, etc is yet to come

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        • mksrooney Says:

          and surely will get the video..if i cant put it up here then will shoot in good mobile and email u..

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    • Henry: What do you find within Kashyap’s oeuvre that would lead you to believe he’d like such a film?! RGV hated the Yashraj/Johar stuff. Looking at his films or those of his acolytes this was hardly surprising.

      I think with this film Imtiaz ali has gone as close to Yashraj as he possibly could. Look at the locales. A far cry from Jab We Met. sure he has his Delhi scenes but enough glitz and glamor elsewhere that is straight out the Yashraj/Johar universe. On the melodrama I’m not sure. DDLJ wasn’t melodramatic. Johar had more of these tendencies but even he’s been toned down with films he’s produced (KHNH was light throughout barring some melodrama at the end). Obviously Imtiaz Ali isn’t exactly the same but he is moving in that direction as opposed to moving away from it. The one liners here, such as he attempts it, are in my view serious undercut by his more traditional aims here. And (SPOILER HERE) think about this — Johar gets people switch partners right before marriage, Ali does it even right after. All in the name of contemporary angst! C’mon. The preachy Rishi Kapoor (though he was restrained in the film and likable) is again straight out of Yashraj. And even with some of the humor that works we’re hardly in DCH terrain!

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      • Dev D is in my view specifically an anti-SRK/Yashraj/Johar diatribe (don’t think Bhansali has much to do with it despite the Devdas story). His friend here is more or less as guilty!

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      • I don’t disagree on your main point, but I’m surprised that you don’t think DDLJ was melodramatic. Um, young girl longing for life and love obediently agrees to marry a man she’s never seen, due to an engagement made between their fathers when they were babies? Her love doesn’t want to come clean, but has to deceive everybody into accepting him? The fiance turns out to be a jerk in every way? The grandma has a convenient heart attack and moves up the wedding date to the next day? The true love walks out and has a major fistfight with the fiance at the train station? The girl is physically restrained from joining him, only to be released by her suddenly enlightened father at the last possible moment? What is all this if not melodrama?

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        • compared to KKHH it was just frothy!

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        • I don’t really see DDLJ as melodramatic barring the end portion. I think Aditya chopra kept it very ‘light’ throughout. There was great melodrama in KANK!

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        • KANK, KKHH and K3G are melodramatic. DDLJ and KHNH less so though the latter does get a little too much in the second half. Likewise Dostana.

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        • Which is why Dostana was just about passable for me in the second half. The first half was good but again nothing special. abhishek made it work for me in many ways but still it’s hardly my favorite film. K3G remains a guilty pleasure (as we talk about melodrama we must also concede that some films do it better than others! The very presence of melodrama does not make a film questionable.. in Hollywood it’s even treated as ‘genre’ with someone like Sirk). KKHH I don’t like in either half. The less said about KANK the better. DDLJ remains a perennial favorite.

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        • Dostana to my mind is more subversive than it is good. In other words they could have made a real Munnabhai with the subject. But then not everyone’s Hirani!

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        • Damn straight. I can’t think of any director that handles comedy more intelligently…it’s the most starved genre in Hindi cinema today and a shame because these often, when done right, make much more money than romantic dramas.

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        • For a split second I thought GF was talking about Johar! Then I saw the comments above…

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        • mksrooney Says:

          as they say in sach ka samna show…bada jigar chahiye to accept sach one of them for me is-

          i have always loved k3g but more so the scene when srk makes entry and jaya knows her son has come..and i cry seeing it dont know why but i like it…though whatever i dislike about johar..

          and also when srk visits kajol when her father has died the background music..etc always make me cry..

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        • So you’re saying it was melodrama “lite”? 🙂

          I disagree — the impossibly rich lover boy fulfills the “Prince Charming” role as well, something I forgot earlier. The only non-melodramatic plot point was that they didn’t fall in love at first sight. OTOH, Raj didn’t know Simran’s address in either London or India, but manages to landup at her doorstep nevertheless. Even KKHH was “frothy” in the first half. Of course both films had the dramatic groom switch at the moment of marriage.

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    • By the way I don’t have anything against those who’ve liked the film. It’s ultimately harmless. I personally found it very hard to sit through.

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  20. Aarkayne Says:

    In talking to someone I know that is in the film industry, it appears that this movie needs at least 60crore to break even. Given my utter lack of sense as far as bo numbers go(and why i rightly stay away from such discussions) i dont see how this is going to happen 😦

    But I do feel one thing strongly however there are some type of movies that we really need to gently encourage. Imtiaz Ali and his brand of movies certainly need to be, inspite of flaws, mistakes, shortcomings and what have you.

    If not, we will get what we have seen and relished. If we see a SINGH IS KING many times then that is the kind of sh*t we will get doled out.

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    • That is certainly true.

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    • mksrooney Says:

      agree

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    • Aarkayne, I don’t see this as the sort of film that should be supported for those reasons. Having said that I don’t have a problem if it’s a blockbuster either. I’d much rather see this than SIK. I just have almost no taste for those comedies. But I don’t mind those films becoming hits either. Because while I might prefer another genre I can’t say as a critical matter that I find SIK worse than half the romances that have been doled out for years.

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      • Actually by having seen it you have supported its cause and that is enough 🙂 There simply are some people whose work needs to be supported. I would no longer say that of Nagesh Kukoonoor for example because he has disappointed twice in a row (MUMBAI TO BANGKOK and TASVEER). But Imtiaz Ali is at best 1 strike down. He is still plenty of things going for him which warrants audience support.

        And yes I understand you may not have liked it, completely alright with that too and appreciate the fact that you dont mind it becoming a hit. Again, that’s supporting a good technician/artist’s cause ultitmately. I am really concerned with the bigger picture. As an audience we really have to begin demanding more out of the Banias of Bollywood(and truly no bias intended). You give us crap we will show you the door !!!

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        • As I said earlier I actually want the film to work but moreso because of Saif than Ali. I want to see him around as relevant as possible. He needs a big shot in the arm. The initial here sounds fantastic. This should sail through one way or the other.

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  21. The crowd in my theater loved it and there was even an applause in the end. And it’s definitely Yashraj or Karan Johar style. They would have gone for way more melodrama.

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  22. mksrooney Says:

    one of my friends saw it today and said he got compltly bored and even thought that he would have left the theater at fist half..!!! he said he was never bored so much in his life for any movie…

    also he thought shahid and kareena or maybe ranbeer kapoor with sonam or someone else would have made nice couple in the movie..

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    • I also think that even Saif despite the fact that he is trying hard and is otherwise always a welcome presence on screen is just not in sparkling enough mode here as he has been in the past even in some mediocre stuff.

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  23. I think I Kashyap liked the film because he found it entertaining and different enough from the typical love stories. I don’t think he praised it because Imtiaz is his friend. Maybe I am being naive but I cannot call someone biased without knowing the facts.

    I still think it’s worlds removed from Yashraj type cinema. The film is often real, never melodramatic, and does not resort to broad caricatures like Yashraj does. The latter, especially, likes to show Caucasians as characterless or just plain dumb. Here, the white girl, Jo, is shown respectfully and intelligently by Imtiaz. I think little things like these definitely make Imtiaz Ali a far more progressive and real filmmaker than the likes of Karan Johar.

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    • I’m not saying he’s not more progressive. All I’m suggesting is he’s meeting Yashraj at least half way. Also I don’t know if he really accords the Causcasian that much respect. Rishi Kapoor never seems to take her seriously. There’s too much of ‘pick her up at a bar’ sense to that girl. Of course Saif’s shown as being that sort of guy but when he picks up the Indian it’s the real thing. Again in SF there’s a Caucasian always cavorting around him!

      Jab We Met was like Yashraj too but at least there was sense of real Indianization. With this one he’s gone back in the other direction. And again I don’t think there are DCH-like rewards here where you get some relatively sharp stuff.

      On Kashyap I think he praises all of his friends. Even if he found it more entertaining than regular romance it’s very hard to buy his over the top praise for this one. As for the facts how would one know them? I am extrapolating from whatever I’ve gleaned from his interviews. Other than this he’s not likely to come out at say that he’s defending the film only because the director’s a friend!

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    • And (SPOILER) having Neetu at the end I think was as gratuitous a move as Johar could have dreamed of.

      here’s the thing, I dislike Johar and co often for what they represent. I have ideological issues with that sort of cinema. But at least that’s what he believes in, With Imtiaz Ali you see this continual progression toward mainstream commercial cinema which would be fine if it also wasn’t keen on (as I see it) getting Yashraj-ized.

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    • Henry: I won’t say more until I see the film, but it’s not just a question of “knowing the facts”. From the sorts of cinema Kashyap seems to have a low opinion of, one can infer what sorts of films he would like. Thus when I saw him give Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na significant praise I felt a bit surprised.

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  24. I think Jab We Met, for all its Indianess, is more Yashraj in its treatment and style. It’s also a more Punjabified movie which is the latter’s forte.

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    • by the way Henry if you keep arguing with me I’ll have to watch it a second time to make sure I didn’t get it wrong. LOL!

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    • I agree with Henry’s point, in that Jab We Met seemed to me a “DDLJ redux”, or a “DDLJ — 12 years later” kinda deal. I saw it as Ali trying to reinvent that genre for a new generation. personally I thought Socha Na Tha was the far better film.

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  25. mksrooney Says:

    Qalander bhai- a quick digital video of ahmedabad brts…its quite similiar to how it appears on our main road..in ahmedabad

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    • Thanks, that’s really cool. With the growth in traffic and environmental issues, this sort of public transport infrastructure is IMO far more what India needs than some of the “glamor” projects we hear about…

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      • mksrooney Says:

        i hav heard that something similiar either exist or is gonna come in Delhi….and as said earlier somewhere puna is under construction…and yeah this should be the future but q bhai problem is it cant exist on roads which cant be made broad…like mumbai..where u cant expand the roads…for it..there u have to require metros

        also i will try to get a real footage from ahmedabad..

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  26. Please do not object to AK’s approval just because IA is his friend! Happens everywhere. Scratch and scratch back!

    (Happens here as well. Not that I mind, but I do notice!)

    Nothing at all wrong, there!

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  27. mksrooney Says:

    Why did Saif play the younger Rishi but Deepika was not given the chance to play the younger Neetu? Typical MCP

    what does mcp means??

    well sandy my view-
    as many reviews say that saif reminded of his youth thats why…
    also maybe the story starts between ranbir and rishi explaining each other..

    From Bo and sach ka samna..
    1. indian theater audience is mostly male dominant…so they love two heroines ..thats 1+1 free 🙂
    2. saif is the producer..he wants to show even he can enact difficult roles and with ease ;-)…as he saaid somewhere being producer he can get good script for homself..
    3. having deepika as neetu would have surely left everyone in theater confused to a level where it would have been irrepairable…so see for saif or deepika character..iit would work only singularaly and not dually.. 🙂
    4. i feel most bollywood stories its all about hero hero and hero and heroine only for being beautiful and be besides her (sadly)
    5. my feeling is this is male point of story (and a male idea of heaven) about growing up etc..having multpile girls in life ..and then choosing this pretty chick finally to settle( i would love to have been saif character..who cares whethwer deepika does second role or not 🙂 we like it there are two heroines that to beautiful at price of one ticket that leaves us satisfied at the end of movie ) (this is just male feeling:-) )

    so sorry if offended to female members and commenters or to anybody above views ARE NOT ENDORSED BY ME but that i feel is sad reality 9 i dont know how to type sad emoticon 🙂 )

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    • I agree with many of these points.. I think having Saif play the other part could have had a certain symbolic significance but the film just isn’t serious enough to build on this.

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    • 1. MCP = Male Chauvinist Pig

      2. Sad emoticon: “:” + “-” + “(”

      As I had said earlier, I felt one problem with Saif playing the younger rishi but not deepika the younger neetu singh, was that it made the film seem “about” saif, rather than about the couple.

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      • mksrooney Says:

        thnks q bhai 😦 (my first sad emoticon 🙂 cool)

        yeah thats quite a true criticism that it makes movie a bit safi centric..

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  28. Great discussion. This is what one comes for really. It doesn’t matter which side of the fence one is standing on.

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  29. Satyam: You know one more reason why i think Ranbir would have been better for the lead part – then it would have seemed more plausible with him playing the young Rishi kapoor!

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  30. So you’d give the film how much? 2 stars or a little more

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    • not sure about stars to be honest.. rarely think in those terms.. it’s a question of how the film seems on its own versus how it is compared to evverything else. as such the star rating might vary.

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  31. sarvanash Says:

    I think I’m in the minority when i say that I’ve found all of Ali’s movies overrated. I think they get more credit then they deserve. It’s probably b/c people compare them to the bad romantic Hindi movies that are released regularly. And I agree in comparison these are much better and I don’t mind watching them, but his movies aren’t anything more than the disney/nick teen flicks.

    I don’t blame Ali for “meeting yrf half way”…mainly b/c he has made 2 successful small movies. his first the smallest and best. then jwm became a little bigger and this one even bigger. It’s natural, when you’re successful on a small scale the next logical step is to go bigger and for that to succeed you have to make compromises that a large group would agree on. It happens everywhere. Plus, I feel in Hindi cinema most dir. find what they’re successful at and keep on doing the same style of movies. No one really wants to risk trying something outside of what worked for them previously.

    Also wishing this movie to be successful for Saif – i disagree w/ that too. i started liking saif w/ his 2nd life in movies w/ ek hasina thi to Omkara with a couple of bad movies thrown in between. But recently he hasn’t done anything that i would like to see more of. So if this movie is a blockbuster, you should expect more of the same. he’ll try to do these young hip type of roles for as long as he can.

    One more thing, I’m glad some movies are filmed in India now, but i see a trend where we won’t see anything but Delhi and maybe sometimes Mumbai. seriously aren’t there any other cities these guys can shoot in? is it b/c of infrastructure? making sense out of character speaking hindi in the movie? or something else? also as always i’m getting tired of only seeing punjabi culture on screen and punjabi beats on the soundtracks. I understand if you have to set the movie in a city where Hindi is the main language but aren’t there non-punjabis in these cities? i remember watching some Priyadarshan movie w/ Shahid, where no one is Punjabi, and they made a big deal out of it where the family was proud of their roots, but all the songs were bhangara based. No offense to anyone.

    sorry for the long winded post, i guess this is what happens when you don’t comment as often as you’d like.

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    • I’ve seen many Hindi filmmakers claim that it’s impossible to film in India outside of studios, because the crowds are unmanageable when they see the stars. But I don’t believe this. After all, other filmmakers do just fine filming in India, even with big stars. Mani Ratnam, for one, does all his filming in India, and doesn’t seem to have any problem managing crowds. Right now he is filming with Abhishek and Aishwarya, and you can’t tell me they don’t draw crowds.

      I think it’s really just the mindset that sees anything Indian as uncool, and secondarily a desire to take advantage of governmental subsidies for filmmakers. Unfortunately it’s now become almost de riguer for those hoping to attract a multiplex audience to have at least some, if not most, scenes/songs filmed abroad.

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      • I had read some place, where a detailed analysis of shooting abroad was given. The first reason is of course, managing the crowds becomes an headache in India. The other reason was getting the permissions and stuff. In India you need to get permissions from the police, muncipalities and a zillion other govt agencies and still you are not sure that everything would go without hiccups

        On the other hand most European countries, US and even Australia and NZ off late, have fast track permissions for foreign crews to shoot. A small team with barely 8-10 technicians can complete wrap up an entire shoot pretty quickly. This makes sense for all these rom-com type movies, where the location isn’t of any great significance.

        Of course the likes of Rathnam and other serious filmmakers have no choice but to shoot in India amidst all the troubles since their storylines often have locational significances. No wonder Rathnam is notoriously slow in his schedules and always has delays in his deadlines.

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    • A nice set of thoughts.

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    • This is a really fine comprehensive comment Sarvanash., would like to see more from you.. I am agreed on every count here..

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    • mksrooney Says:

      absolutely true…sarvansh…

      recently we even had this discussion on noy shooting in india somewhere dont know where the link is 🙂

      even r khan has shot many of his movies in indai like rdb,tzp, fanaa, dch, lagaan, etc

      so does as sm says mani ratnam, also i think vishal bharadwaj..etc

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    • “Also wishing this movie to be successful for Saif – i disagree w/ that too.”

      This is partly fair. Saif has disappointed with some of his choices in recent times. But all of this is not his fault. he was alternating Yashraj with the likes of Omkara and EHT and Eklavya. I think the latter dried up eventually and the former stopped working. Saif was doing the best he could. Which is why I never objected to something like Race or a potential sequel (silly films perhaps but harmless for that reason) and this is also why I’d like LAK to work. Because these commercial successes possibly give Saif the ‘capital’ to take risks elsewhere. Agent Vinod for example sounds like a slick deal. Now he might not do anything with this success. That’s a different issue. But we must also be sensitive to the limitations some of these stars face in terms of what the industry is willing to offer them on a constant basis. It’s not just about Saif. It applies to some bigger stars too.

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  32. “The best part of the movie is from the point they break up till Meera’s marriage and the movie again takes a turn for the worse becoming a Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna.”
    http://tanqeed.com/movies/lak.cfm

    The problem with the movie is it tries to be cool and impress especially the first 20 minutes in London.

    DDLJ was as melodramatic as can be with Kajol reciting poetry “In satara saalon mein”, the mother-daughter scenes and shahrukh saying “main bhaga kar le jaana nahin chahta” with all the pauses and deliberate stage acting (which started his new overacting in subsequent movies).

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  33. Agree completely about the movie. Scenes from past were dragging the movie. I would have probably liked the movie more with straight narrative of present.

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  34. Thanks for the review Satyam. I will check out the movie tomorrow and respond to your thoughts in more detail.

    Shahid

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  35. I just saw this and I pretty much agree with the review here, even though I found it passable. I don’t agree that it’s a deeply disappointing work to the extent that I didn’t expect much. Ali is a filmmaker who is pretty overrated to begin with, and SNT was and is the only film of his that made a true impression, a palpable impact. And even there his movie had moments that belonged in a stage play rather than a movie.

    It’s a YRF film to the core, and perhaps with a better lead pair it would have felt more alive…but I thought Deepika and Saif were adequate for the most part. Also, it’s mercifully shorter than a Yashraj film of the same sort, even if it dragged along at points. This was helpful for me since I had to use the restroom about 2 hours into it, and this movie may be worth the price of admission, might be worth other things, but certainly not worth potential bladder damage!

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    • mksrooney Says:

      lol…this movie has seriuoly got a hugely divided opninion gf..

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    • For some odd reason (and even as I’ve found JWM overrated) I somehow expected superior entertainment here. Not a DCH or anything. Just a somewhat sharper film that would at least raise the bar on the entertainment quotient. That phrase of mine is perhaps a bit misleading inasmuch it suggests one expected a seminal film (!) but it shouldn’t have been so hard for Ali to just do something more with his essential conceit of these parallel love stories.

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      • You know it’s funny you mentioned DCH. After I saw LAK, I mentioned to my brother that nearly a decade had passed since DCH’s release and not a single of its many, many emulators (among which this most recent entry is included) has done what it did (even some of its most basic accomplishments) nearly as well.

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        • Absolutely! Including Farhan himself! But the latter just seems more into acting these days. I doubt he’s very inclined to direct anything though SRK will probably not let him rest without that Don sequel!

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        • Yep. Farhan as a director hasn’t lived up to his promise. That might be unfair given he’s only directed two other films, but this is to ignore the scale of the promise DCH brought to the table. In a year where Lagaan came out, it’s still a touchstone.

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        • It is unfair inasmuch as there are many greater directors who’ve had false starts after delivering a promising work and then eventually recovered. At the same time Farhan could do just about anything he wanted after DCH. Lakshya went wrong after the second half, the first could be defended. It just became hopelessly conformist as it ended. The idea of a Don sequel never persuaded me but I was disappointed to see a film that even on visual grounds failed for the most part. Having said all of this I would like him to continue making movies but one gets the sense he’s having too much fun being an actor. Of course he’s also been a talk show host like Johar.

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        • Yeah, I think he’s into being in front of the camera…hopefully he does recover in due course with a well directed film. As you suggest, Don was certainly not that. A failure on every imaginable level.

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        • Apparently Farhan’s orginal dream was to always be an actor. He has been lucky thus far with two really terrific roles. If he can continue to bag such ones, no reason why he will not and should not act. However if that prevents him from helming the megaphone for something that could be another DCH then it is certainly our loss. Needless to say only time will tell…..

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        • But he can never be an actor to equal the skills he brought to DCH as director. so even if he gets good roles I’d consider it a waste of his real talents. The problem is that everyone wants to be an actor!

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        • yup, amen to that thought!

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        • not just this, Farhan even decided to have his own TV show like Johar. Beyond a point it’s hard to escape the impression that these guys want to be celebrities more than anything else! I can understand the seduction of course. Just unfortunate he’s not putting his skills to better use. Then again maybe he really just had one film in him.

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        • DCH had really strong chemistry between all the leads. Even the 3 “pairings” in the movie were good castings. One thing I am waiting to see in LAK, if the lead pair have that X factor together.

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  36. And I completely agree with the idea that Kashyap standing behind this film bastardizes his whole “we are the revolution” nonsense.

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    • The problem here is we have taken Kashyap to be some paragon of truth and honesty and almost Godlike. He’s an human after all; with all the flaws and foibles. “Usne kya sachai ka theka le rakha hai kya” (Couldn’t frame that in english effectively). Its human to stand by your friends, even though he might have privately let Imtiaz know of his true feelings about the movie.

      Instead we the invisible audience expect him to give us honest opinions about films, whereas his own critically acclaimed movies bomb. The industry is full of nepotism, with families dominating the top echelons. Who was the last actor to make it big in the industry without any backing? The industry will forget 10 flops from junior Bachan or the absolutely ludicrous existence of the Fardeens and Tusshars and in fact keep backing them. Whereas a single failure is enough to bury the outsiders and Kashyap knows that only too well. Imtiaz may have compromised but at least his heart is in the right place.

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      • You’re right…one does expect more from Kashyap than is warranted, but that’s largely because he’s long aligned himself (in his writing, in his interviews) with those on the (sometimes imagined) “fringe” who complained of those very elements you speak of. In any case, I’d always take what he says with a healthy dose of salt.

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      • Vinod, GF has said everything I would have wanted to. On the rest I don’t think it’s only the industry’s fault. Audiences are also obsessed with genealogy. Films with heralded star songs get big initials. Why? So it’s not just an industry issue. Yes, Bollywood has taken it to absurd extremes. It’s almost become a hermetic system. If you’re not star progeny you have to be a famous model! It’s become the ultimate insider’s game. But it also reflects larger social trends in some ways. We’ve had people become PMs with less preparation! I would disagree to this extent on Abhishek. The day he became big he started walking away in many ways from the rather too obvious commercial choices and when many of these didn’t work out in a box office sense he only doubled his bets. So I think he’s used the ‘name’ and the off screen celebrity and so forth to really ‘buy’ himself quality cinema as he defines it. We might disagree with some of the choices but really commercial fare is now always the exception with him.

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        • In a sense you made a right point that we as a nation are used to some kind of servitude to some selected few who are considered more equal than others. It is a kind of feudal mentality. In that sense Kashyap is seen as some kind of a rebel. Of course the main reason why people have come to expect much of him is because of his writing and interviews where he comes across as brutally honest and someone who isn’t afraid to call a spade a spade. That said, I’ve seen glimpses of his hypocrisy long back in some of his articles on PFC.

          I used Abhishek as an example only to point out the number of chances that the industry affords him because of his lineage, whereas if he were an outsider he would have been long forgotten. I actually believe he is a far better actor than the rest of his peers. His choices have also been diverse though I think those have been due to serendipity as he tends to trust his close friends and of course the mandatory YRF and Johar camps. But his outside choices have been interesting.

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        • Good set of points Vinod and which is why I appreciated Abhishek’s honesty when he said in a recent interview that he wouldn’t be very he is if he were Abhishek ‘Sharma’. This seems obvious and yet no other star son ever admits it this bluntly.

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  37. Hi all–seems Bollywood producers and marketeers are taking this film to a new “height”….After 127 comments booing this film-I am reading this piece on DNAINDIA……The way producers and marketeers of this film are spinning their wheels–“Saif wins best actor award for this film for 2009 would surely be next??–man this press is making good bloggers/thinkers/ardent movie fans look like musketeers…

    http://www.dnaindia.com/dnaprint.asp?newsid=1279071

    Sunday, August 2, 2009 2:07 IST

    Mumbai: Love Aaj Kal, Imtiaz Ali’s latest, has opened to packed houses. In many places, the film, which has released in over 1800 screens, overtook last year’s record setter, Ghajini.

    “The film has taken a superb initial,” says Komal Nahta, editor of The Film Street Journal. Trade analyst Taran Adarsh seconds that. “The opening’s on par with Ghajini. In the overseas, the film will be one of the biggest hits.” Devang Sampat of Cinemax confirms that the film has opened better than Ghajini in all its properties.

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    • mksrooney Says:

      hi andy (any connection to sandy?? 🙂 )

      yeah i read it and had a good laugh …meanwhile the discussion on that is going in jayshah boxoffice thread..

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  38. “As it turns out there is no real lucidity to either track, neither really illuminates the other.”

    I saw the movie today and I do agree with this point. It seemed a pointless novelty. Jhoom Barabar Jhoom did much better with similar themes.

    You can read my thoughts on the film at: http://melodymedley.wordpress.com/2009/08/02/review-of-love-aaj-kal-ali-2009/

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  39. mksrooney Says:

    som-

    “don’t agree with all the criticism levelled at Deepika’s acting so far. She does a competent job and it was a smart move to use her famous smile as part of her character’s tactic of charm offensive. There is a wonderful scene where she looks in the mirror and forces herself to smile. Even her smile is a calculated decision.”

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  40. I just saw Love Aaj Kal. I loved it except for the last half hour.

    I agree with Henry and Aarkayne – I think except for the last half hour this is fairly detached from the Yashraj universe mainly because this film has far more realistic moments between the leads. There is a proper relationship shown throughout – how many random phone calls do they share? The first half works better – Rishi Kapoor’s story is cute and the backdrop works visually. The parralel storyline didn’t really bother me, both plots were engaging enough.

    The problem as usual is a dragging second half and the last half hour when the film enters yashraj/dharma terrain.

    spolier alert – the whole getting married to someone you don’t want to is done to death. The whole idea of one of the leads learning that the other didn’t actually end up going through with it is done to death. The film owes a fair bit to DDLJ, Hum Tum and KANK in this sense, the last 30mins reminded me off how KANK dragged at the end. Up an until Deepika tells Saif to get out of her life (the scene previous to this where they text each other repeatedly during the party is my favourite scene in the movie) the story works well. But after that, the whole back and forth, saif getting his nuts kicked in is all the melodrama we associate with Yashraj/Dharma.

    I enjoyed this more than JWM. Probably because in JWM, Kareena’s character was something so annoying. Here deepika (she is stunning) is bearable and puts in a good show. Saif playing Rishi is better than Jai, but overall he holds the film together – its very much his film overall.

    And the music – well I love it. It’s a good album, but song placement (especially that song in San Francasico could be done away with) is bit out of place.

    Overall, I agree with Henry in that this is a more mature story. Aarkayne mentioned this in Sandy’s review “its wordy for sure, but the characters are really being themselves or the lead is being extremely talkative, is all.” You know what this is what I liked about the movie the most. Most love stories don’t even show all the wordy stuff and if they do its all soppy one liners. Here there are many phone calls and conversations, normalised chit chat and this just makes it a more involved love story. I even felt a little weak at the knees when Deepika shed a tear near the end! So it obviously worked on me!

    [I saw an afternoon show at 4.40 and the theatre was packed. Vast majority stayed back till the credits – not surprised, Aahun Aahun is just such an addictive song…I was not going to leave till I heard it! – But on the box office, I think this will be a run away hit. First week 35-40Cr, finishing 60-65Cr – I’ve factored in Kaminey will dent it in the third week but I see a solid two week performance and the main thing, not a sizeable, chunky drop in the second week. And also think the kind of business this is doing in multiplexes – I shudder to think what will happen when 3 Idiots arrives, because if this is any indication, then a Hirani-Aamir combo in multiplexes will be gigantic. The business LAK is doing banishes certain star centric discussions; this film has a fairly big star but not in Aamir/SRK/Hrithik’s league in multiplexes. But LAK has been packaged incredibly well, timed perfectly and appears to be doing HUGE business in multiplexes matching any film in the past]

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    • Wonderful and comprehensive set of thoughts here Jay! Thanks! I of course had a difference sense of the film than you did but I do agree on your box office prediction here.

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    • will also agree that Saif does better with the Rishi part. Didn’t like soundtrack much barring Aahun which I love and Chor Bazaari which is passable.

      In many ways the film might have been had there not been two tracks. Ali could have done more with his contemporary couple. I like the conceit of the two tracks but it seems to me Ali could have done much more with it.

      I’m sure I’m in a minority with this though as the box office numbers should reveal!

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    • I don’t think it is a mature love story. They show the lovers being practical but how many people handle breakup like that? I will say that romace was more imaginistic (relationship without responsibility normally sans of emotional investment hence easy to break, but you tend to move on easily unlike the movie) because in real life most of us would react not the way characters reacted to situations.

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      • but you answered your own poser here …. true most people in real life would not react the way the characters do, hence its a story and not a chronicle of someone’s life. Which is why its a mature one at that, after all jet-age mein, kya rona-dhona….golden gate bridge and fresco respectively are more important than someone who does not even apparently have a dil, until proven otherwise. No?

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    • IMO movie would have tanked if not for this ending. It basically is conformist ending but that is what audience wants and probably added emotions for audience to connect.

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    • And come to think of it, the wordiness is really its USP….i mean it reminds me of Woody Allen’s works(and please I am not comparing Ali to Allen, horror of horrors NO!). What’s wrong with conversations…and it is not as if its inconsequential prattle…they speak intelligently and truly generated plenty of chuckles from me all throughout, even in the prickliest of moments !

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      • Aarkayne, don’t you think though that this is a fairly irresponsible couple throughout the film? Both seem pretty non-serious as the story progresses even as they have inklings about their feelings for each other. Towards the end there’s almost the sense that the director realized his allotted time was up and he had to end the film. Hence he threw in a half hour of ’emotions’. There is no natural movement toward the climax as I see it.

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        • Or Satyam, one was truly scared of admitting to or recognising true love and hence committing, whereas the other knew yet would not and did not want to force the other into it? Sure Meera’s actions were irresponsible in hindsight for the one she married, but that is only in hindsight….and IMO it is about today’s times where the thinking is not like it was 20 years ago, ki shaadi ho gayi, uske baad mein kya sochna ki saccha pyaar kya tha! It may sound irresponsible and callous in the shorter term, but in the longer run really is better to take the step after say the marriage developed into something more complicated and messy such as children to get out of, no?

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        • don’t you think that the very same idea was far better handled between the Saif track and the Aamir one in DCH?

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        • oh, undoubtedly…..much better…which is why DCH is a standout film, hands down and no arguments there.

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        • incidentally I have always found the second half of DCH somewhat conformist too.. at the same time Farhan developed it skilfully so that it seemed to be a logical progression in the narrative.

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        • in some ways this has been a problem with farhan Akhtar. Lakshya had a promising first half and then a very conventional second one. Of course to make up for these films Farhan went a bit crazy with Don. The ending was rather perverse!

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  41. Also after OSO I didn’t think Deepika would last too long, but I only caught Bachna Aeo Haseeno recently plus this one here and I think she is leagues ahead of Katrina as an actress. She’s very graceful onscreen.

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  42. On predictability Satyam, I do think in general the romance genre is the most utterly predictable genre out there. Discounting say a historical romance like Jodha Akbar [but negate the backdrop here and what is so different in the love story here] – most love stories or romances are the same stuff – boy meets girl, they fall in love or one is courting the other, there is some kind of “obstacle” stopping them from being together, this obstacle is removed OR there is some kind of tragic love story. It’s all predictable overall though. The difference between a good romance and a bad one is always going to be how much emotional investment you have in the lead pair and their predicament. In that sense wasn’t expectating anything pathbreaking or outstanding here, but just an engaging entertaining film. It could have been lighter for sure, there were few genuine moments of laughter. But then there were a lot more real situational moments then other films.

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  43. ps. I finally realised why som dear loves Deepika so much

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  44. Jayshah, I agree the last half an hour got a bit slow but I didn’t mind it because the merging of the parallel tracks in the end was done very well. Personally I think the first 20 minutes is the best work Imtiaz has done so far in his career. I loved the way he captured the progression of Saif and Deepika’s relationship in quick montages. It was funny, witty, and was employed not just for style but to also underscore the point how ‘quickly’ relationships begin and end these days.

    This is the best love story I have seen since, well, Jab We Met.

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  45. While on the subject my favorite youth love story in Hindi cinema is Bobby. Next up is QSQT. Have enormous affection for DDLJ as well. Finally in a really cheesy mode I quite enjoy Kumar Gaurav’s Love Story! QSQT in a sense splits the difference between Bobby and DDLJ. Will have more to say on this another time.

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  46. Aarkayne Says:

    i was just watching DCH a couple of days ago and could not help feeling how truly conformist it was with the Aakash track, making the bad guy really, truly bad in no uncertain terms. In retrospect had he made him a bit more ‘normal’ it would have made it a film for posterity, not that it is not close to it currently. However it takes nothing away from the romance he develops between Shalini and Aakaash and TANHAAIYEE has to be the most gut wrenching love song of all times. My most favorite song of the movie too!

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