A note on Baradwaj Rangan’s ‘Conversations with Mani Ratnam’


In a wonderfully laconic moment midway through the Kannathil Muthamittal exchange Rangan gently if slyly chides Ratnam for resorting to the very theoretical approach that otherwise makes him unhappy in interpretations of his work. An ‘aha!’ riff that the subject concedes. The reader can only imagine Ratnam’s eyes twinkling at this point. The flavor and tone of this near-aside make for perhaps a privileged access point into the very rich and precise conversations that unfold before and after. Like all important artists in any field Ratnam too is wary of offering overarching views on his work that with the passage of time risk becoming so many ‘authorized’ or imprisoning readings. But with the kind of skill that is often on display in his films the director superbly manages to walk through this minefield of autobiography and interpretation with surprising comprehensiveness and at the same time continually delicate evasion. It is an act of choreography worthy of the man who is still adding to an important and prophetic oeuvre. But these ‘conversations’ also offer vignettes into the mind of the formidably insightful Baradwaj Rangan, really the peerless Indian film critic. From his own charmingly presented autobiographical raison d’etre for this work’s inception to his unmatched familiarity with the Ratnam corpus and perhaps most significantly his lucid interventions in every chapter Rangan is simply the ideal man for the task. To read these conversations is to hear a fascinating set of questions and responses but equally a series of comments pregnant with suggestion. If, and to paraphrase from somewhere, words are meaningful sounds stolen from silence, Rangan’s encounters with Ratnam provide both kinds of music, the strains less heard and those unheard.

Interesting ironies become apparent throughout the text. Rangan beautifully narrates his attachment to early or from his perspective Madras-oriented Ratnam and his initial disappointment with later or ‘global’ Ratnam. He sees Roja as the “pivot” film or the one that marks the transition from the naturalistic more culturally rooted worlds of the 80s to the more expansively imagined and abstractly represented ones of the 90s and beyond. As Ratnam himself sometimes points out there are films on each side of this equation that complicate this ordering. But the schema is still a useful window into a body of work which is not very easy to pin down using this or any other ‘handle’. The director is most comfortable throughout offering little thematic glimpses into his films or occasionally wider-lensed perspectives. Additionally he frequently highlights the production decisions or technical and other contingencies that shape so many choices on any set. Adroit as Ratnam is at performing this dance which involves saying a lot that is meaningful and yet not much that is definitive he nonetheless, and against his instincts, lends himself to a portrait of the filmmaker as thinker or at least a very conscious(ly) thinking artist. This comes through almost climactically in the later stages of the book, those concerned with the later works. The three possibly most fascinating chapters in the work revolve around Kannathil Muthamittal, Guru and finally Raavan/Raavanan. Conversely the one on Iruvar, a film Ratnam calls his best, despite some sparkling insights is a bit underwhelming. Perversely the very canonization the film has undergone since its initial release possibly made the ‘exploration’ a bit more tame.

It is also a bit of a gap in the text to have almost no involved discussion on the actors. Ratnam throws in little nuggets here and there ranging from his praise of Kamalahasan’s skills as actor and more comprehensive ones as film artist to his sense of Abhishek’s career-best performance in Raavan or asides on Om Puri (Yuva) and Jaya Sudha (Alaipayuthey) but by and large there is limited formal discussion of the actors who have so profoundly laced his film journey. Somewhat puzzlingly Rangan too does not come up with these cues. The single biggest lacuna is really the absence of any opinion on Mohanlal (Iruvar). Admittedly the book is centrally concerned with the narratives, mechanics and formal choices of the films but an incoherence is risked when the actors very centrally connected with many of these films are also not thematized in the same fashion. This is less a statement about Ratnam or Rangan, both of whom clearly value all the actors associated with these works, and something they allude to from time to time, and more one about how the chance to add another layer of meaning to these discussions might have been missed. In an odd way both interlocutors conspire to produce the ‘Hitchcock theory’ with actors being incidental participants in the director’s larger vision.

The book ultimately manages to pierce a great deal of the subject’s enigma. But as this journey is completed Rangan too seems to shed his initial ‘Madras boy’ self that was so enamored with the earlier works and becomes an interlocutor much more challenged by (even if conflicted with) not just the later works but even moreso the ones in Hindi.* In various instances then the trajectories cross. Ratnam confirms some of Rangan’s deepest insights about his craft and thought while Rangan in turn testifies to the longer continuities of the director’s work. The critic authentically reveals the director’s intellect and the director makes the progression of his career more unified in the critic’s understanding. These are therefore true conversations because both participants complete a journey. Like all great journeys these exchanges too remain provisional at both ends. The reader can join the conversation. The discussion is conducted with a modesty and generosity on either side that invites newer participants and re-framing of the exchanges. Rangan started out with the ambition of creating the equivalent of Truffaut’s fabled conversations with Hitchcock**. He has done at least as much here. One now hopes for a collection of his film essays to follow this up…

*Rangan does concede at the outset that discussions around Raavan/Raavanan led him to the germ of this book’s idea.

**This model possibly explains the less involved discussion of actors.

47 Responses to “A note on Baradwaj Rangan’s ‘Conversations with Mani Ratnam’”

  1. What a superb note. And a tantalizing one for those of us still awaiting our copies! I’ll return to this once I complete my own reading but thanks so much for putting this up. Rangan couldn’t have received a more significant appraisal from anyone and I mean this.

    Your point about the absence of a more expansive discourse on the actors is interesting. On the one hand getting into this would certainly have sated the appetites of those of us who so love the performances (as well as those obsessed with celebrity) but when one views this decision (to the extent that it was a conscious move – I guess how could it not be, though) through the prism of the quality and depth of criticism that otherwise greets Ratnam’s films, which more often than not puts the director and technique in the shade of the performers, this sounds quite refreshing and even necessary. Especially considering the book seems to on some level grapple with the (in my view strange) resistance to approaching cinema analytically.

    Of course not having read the work it’s tough to stand by that. Can’t wait to get my copy.

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    • Thanks very much as always GF…

      On the actors your point is a fair one but it seemed to me that at least in some of the instances the shaping of the ‘text’ was so profoundly influenced by the actor that an exception could have been made. So with Iruvar for example there might have been some discussion of the two leads here (though Ratnam touches on Prakashraj at points) or perhaps a sense of why he has continually done Hindi work with Abhishek (the response on Raavan seemed to address the criticism more than anything else). Again with these ‘central man’ films (though Ratnam resists the suggestion the way Rangan frames it) the question becomes more pertinent. And yes this book is more conscious about Ratnam’s ‘designs’ if you will but I would think the choice of actor falls within the purview of the same. He comes closest to doing this with Kamal though even here the abilities he praises are those that the actor would bring to presumably any work. Do see your point about how these discussions can very quickly become predictable.

      Incidentally there are some surprises here that I don’t wish to reveal in terms of casting decisions made and so on.

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  2. Without getting into too much detail, how did you find Rahman’s foreword?

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    • The Rahman foreword is somewhat ‘basic’ but nonetheless moving because it does give you a window into the very genuine collaborative and personal relationship these two have. Ratnam has a very brief afterword that I liked a lot.

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  3. Thats a fine writeup. Hoping to get a hold of the book soon. I would think the pivot if at all there was one would really be Bombay. Roja from what i remember stressed a lot on the tamil being in a sort of foreign northern India. Bombay onwards had the dual language release and a little less of the tamil bonding .. at least for some movies.

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  4. Thanks for the early review Satyam. It’s a pleasure when someone has “read” the book exactly the way it was intended, with the dancing, the evasiveness, and everything including the fact that there is no cast-in-stone reading of these conversations.

    This is what I referred to in my interview with Jai Arjun Singh, that each reader if going to be empowered as a critic and is possibly going to come away with a slightly different reading of (a) Mani Ratnam in general, and (b) the specific nature of each conversation.

    The specific points you raise as cavils, I will address sometime in the future, after the fog of this moment has cleared. For one, I don’t want to come off as defensive. Two, my own wish of “if only’s” is probably longer than yours, given this subject and the stores of unused material I have in the vault.

    PS: I laughed out loud when you pointed to that “Kannathil” thing at the beginning, because that’s almost exactly how it played out.

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    • Baradwaj, Somehow that comment went to spam. I have ‘rescued’ it and substituted this longer one for that. But you shouldn’t have any problems commenting in the future there. It shouldn’t go into moderation anymore (not that it did last time either).

      Your comment means a lot not least because I didn’t wish to seem unfair to you or Ratnam anywhere. I actually read the book twice before putting up that note, just in case I might have missed something somewhere. Needless to say this is a book to keep dipping into and I fully intend to do this. Interestingly there is the sort of elliptical structure to the conversations in many ways that one sometimes finds in later Ratnam, especially Raavan/Raavanan (though I continue to believe that the Tamil version is far less ‘radical’ for better or worse, for Tamil audiences as opposed to the Hindi one for its similar viewers.. partly for reasons of the different contemporary histories in each case and partly because of Vikram’s own signature) and these ‘blanks’ provoke thought on the work in any number of directions.

      As you might have seen in that thread my remark on the absence of a sustained discussion on actors led to some discussion and I should say that even as I defended the point I was making I am perhaps least happy in the note with this entire point. Perhaps tonally but also to the extent that it makes this criticism sound more profound than it’s intended to be. But to summarize briefly inasmuch as a Ratnam film is the sum total of all his choices and all the ‘effects’ he hopes to generate on the screen using these choices it seems to me that the actors are very much a part of this ultimate ‘text’ as much as say the sound cues or the ‘spontaneous’ choreography in a Nayakan song (to use an example the two of you discussed).

      Now I do concede that it is nonetheless also the case that every time you talk about actors you run the risk of introducing breaks in a ‘narrative’ which otherwise seamlessly flows from the thematic dissections to production decisions and so on. In other words I see how keeping the actors mostly at a distance and not inserting these ‘biographical’ pauses might be justified in terms of the book’s larger designs. My only ‘caveat’ I suppose would be that when one is discussing something like Iruvar (and some other similar films in the Ratnam canon) the actor(s) is the elephant in the room. If you have Kamalahasan instead of Mohanlal in Iruvar it’s a completely different film. And so even conceding the other side of this don’t you think that this approach runs the danger of reducing the discussion to a ‘novelistic’ one on cinema where the actors are just like characters in a book and as long as you have the latter written down and well-etched out the rest is immaterial? To be honest I believe Hitchcock was also uttering his famous ‘actors are cattle’ sentiment a bit tongue-in-cheek but in his cinema one can at least see, upto a point, how this ‘exaggeration’ perhaps works. It’s much harder to make a similar case for Ratnam. But again I don’t want to make too much of this. It’s more an ‘academic’ debate in some ways which is to say I don’t necessarily mean it to sound like a blemish on the work. Incidentally this is not an invitation to you to respond right away. I’d be interested in any comments you have on the book whenever you get around to them.

      But Hitchcock reminds me of something. I have actually never been a great fan of the Truffaut book though I do have this urge to revisit it in the light of your book. I was very tempted to say in the review (but didn’t because I don’t precisely recall the Truffaut at this point) that your joint effort with Ratnam exceeds his with Hitchcock because I don’t think Truffaut succeeded in drawing very much out of his maddeningly enigmatic subject. That book, again if I remember it well, works best as a window into Truffaut’s response to Hitchcock as well as the delineation of a certain French response to the same and only partially as a ‘key’ to the Hitchcock. I don’t think I was very illuminated by the book though I could be wrong.

      Thanks again for the comment..

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  5. wasn’t it truffaut who did the interview of hitchcock?

    anyway great write up!

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  6. Excellent review Satyam, one of the first I read on the book. If Rangan is the man to write about Ratnam, there couldnt have been a more credible voice than you to review it.
    The point you raise about their exchange not having enough about the actors and thereby possibly missing some thematic links is valid, but then his movies have always been auteur driven, where actors can seldom run away with the film. It would still be interesting to see what an actor brings to his role, but that perhaps Rangan believed was secondary in Mani’s films which are really about HIM and what he wants to convey. I dont see his characters as being particularly memorable or standing out, the direction is always heavy-handed – and i dont necessarily say this in a bad way.

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    • thanks much Sandy and as I said last time GREAT to see you here. Hope all’s well.. on the larger point you raise it’s absolutely a fair one. I just felt as I was reading the chapters that the omission sometimes seemed pronounced. Though I do concede your point about the auteur being in charge ultimately I think it’s also the case that for the auteur to successfully realize his or her vision a whole range of choices is implicated among which the casting ones are very significant. One couldn’t speak about Ford without Wayne, Kurosawa without Mifune, Fellini without Mastroianni, Antonioni without Monica Vitti and so on. Admittedly Ratnam has never had that kind of team with any single actor but he’s still had some very key films that feature significant actors. But it’s not just about the leads. many of the secondary actors in his films are also key. As is the case for any auteur worth the name. Again don’t want to over-emphasize this point here. I certainly see where you’re coming from on all this. And certainly a lot of actors are mentioned in the book in various contexts. One would never get the impression reading the whole thing that somehow the director considered those actors less important. But it does take away from the potential completeness of certain discussions. Not that this is a huge stumbling block or anything for me.

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      • Satyam: Mani is less an actor’s director, and prefers them being the director’s actor. So though a subtle filmmaker, he likes to orchestrate a performance to his liking and sensibility. This means an actor on his own has relatively less breathing space and opportunity to improvise. All the flourishes you see are of the director. I don’t say there are no exceptions where actors have shined in his films, but lets say it’s not like say a Yash Chopra who draws from the actor’s personal charm and star appeal to enhance a performance. The actors here are at the forefront. Ratnam is different in that he seldom ‘uses’ their star value in their characters, so they increasingly get seen as vehicles of his vision. Rather than drawing from the personality of the actor, he seems mostly interested in seeing what they can give him as performers whatever their past work. So you see stars becoming virginal performers in Ratnam’s world. It’s a different approach,good or bad is debatable.

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        • It’s true that Ratnam is a focused auteur, but I would strongly resist the idea that he’s not an actor’s director. His reputation has always been someone who is open to improvisation to a point, and leaving aside the performances, the testimonials of cameramen and others who have worked with him actually attest to a director who is constantly re-shaping and honing his ideas even as he shoots. Beyond all this, Ratnam’s films always provide characters for his stars, not star platforms for them to play to the gallery. To make no mention that for actors of Kamal and Mohanlal’s calibre he has provided career-summits. To put it differently, Ratnam requires star-actors, not simply charming stars.

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        • “To put it differently, Ratnam requires star-actors, not simply charming stars.”

          Agreed completely..

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  7. brangan

    October 17, 2012

    Satyam: Thank you for your kind thoughts. Am linking to your review…

    Blogical Conclusion ‏@baradwajrangan

    “The book pierces a great deal of the subject’s enigma.” Review of “Conversations with Mani Ratnam”, at satyamshot… http://tinyurl.com/8fjbfop

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  8. Rangan vs satyam!!
    Satyam : some good posts there
    Must add- rangan is surely a v good writer
    But sometimes in the quest for the killer punch, delicious quip and snarky sounding allegories, he gets carried away and his ‘content’ suffers
    (usually) satyam doesn’t fall into that tempting trap.
    So while rangans ‘celebration ‘ should continue, one shouldn’t underestimate the homegrown & ‘seasoned’ satyam imo

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  9. I’m saying this with the utmost seriousness
    And u know more than others, that I don’t praise for the sake of it (as is a trend here with some)
    And mr b rangan–
    Plz visit more
    We love your writings
    But plz do read my humble comments above titled
    Satyam vs rangan
    Yes that’s what I feel !

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  10. Hahaha
    It’s NOT A slugfest or whatever
    These are my genuine issues with rangan
    Which fortunately are ‘corrected’ by Satyam somewhat ( barring in some obvious cases)
    Rangans pieces lately have become an advertisement of his undeniably wonderful ‘creative writing skills’ and on others an endorsement of his own ‘superior intellect’
    I’m too lazy to visit his blog
    And it’s only since I admire his writing I’m bothering to indulge in this ‘constructive criticism’
    If rangan marries content , relevance & intellectual humility to his professional writings, we may get indias best and international class movie commentator!

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  11. Knowing that meager pocket-money would not have allowed me to buy this book in the near future (i.e. till some months) I decided to read this piece. What an illuminating note Satyam- a very good thing abt ur ‘reviews’ is that even when one hasn’t read/seen the particular book/film, one can still learn something from them. This piece has helped pique interest in me for the book not least because unlike other reviewers you always manage to ‘interact’ with ur readers. All I will say is that I feel lucky to share an online platform with someone like u.

    Incidentally I have never seen you discuss Geethanajali. What did you feel of it and Nagarjuna’s performance in it

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    • thanks for a very generous note Saurabh.. on Geetanjali this is the one Ratnam film (at least among his major ones) that I do not like at all. Find it very mediocre. However since everyone pretty much disagrees with me on this there is something here I’ve probably missed!

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  12. It’s extremely generous on Rangan’s part to give this a separate post on his blog:

    Reviews…

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  13. Hello,

    When I was looking for the release date of the book, I found this note. Great note. I would like to know the release date?
    I am from France, do you think that I can get it here or do I have to buy it from India ?

    Thanks.

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  14. Rangan has added two other reviews here including Gradwolf’s:

    Reviews…

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  15. Totally unrelated but Prathap Pothen is on twitter:

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  16. What intrigued you about his story?

    The two years I studied in Bombay (1975–77), he was at his peak. People in the Matunga belt thought he was God. I used to wonder how anyone could treat a fellow human as God. I never understood why they would do this. It fascinated me. It was such a dramatic story, this man going from Tamil Nadu to Bombay and ruling the city. I outlined this thought to Kamal and he said fine. That’s it. It was done. Decided. Mouna Raagam took five years to get approved. Nayakan got cleared in 10 minutes. It was September, I think. He said he’d given ‘Muktha’ Srinivasan dates in December and we could start shooting…

    We had scheduled three days of shooting in December, and I told Kamal I wouldn’t be ready with the script. He said something that surprised me. He said that I could treat the three days as test shoots, with three get-ups for the three ages of the character. And we did just that. That is the kind of luxury I’d never had. The producer had no clue that we were shooting three scenes that were tests and may not make it to the final cut. They didn’t, though they were nice scenes. But the test shoot helped to get Velu Nayakar’s look right, and we also got the other details (art, props, shooting style, costumes) right… The first real schedule of Nayakan took place in January.

    So the film that really, really put you on the map was a complete accident.

    Yeah. I think Kamal too didn’t expect much from the film — at least not at the start and not what it became.

    Looking at Kamal’s performance or anything else, did you have an inkling that Nayakan would become what it became?

    With the time and effort you invest in each project, you expect that each one will work. It’s not that in Nayakan I was going out of the way and doing something extraordinary. It’s just that it’s such a pleasure when there’s an actor who delivers more than you can imagine. It takes a weight off your shoulders, because you no longer have to carry the scene by yourself. I realized that I didn’t have to stage a scene to prop up the actor. It was enough if the camera caught him. He brings credibility to the lines and makes it so effortless. He adds to the entire picture.

    Apart from his ability to emote so well, he’s a master of technique. He did quite a bit of the make-up for the other actors in the film. If I had someone with a wound that didn’t look right, I’d go to him and ask him to fix it. He’d sit with the actor and get it done, and by that time I’d have finished all the other shots I had to do. He was really a part of the team that way. We could ask him for anything we wanted for anybody else and he would do it. He was the one who convinced Janakaraj and Delhi Ganesh to cut their hair and grow convincingly old along with Velu Nayakan. He would bring his own gun for a shot, and save the trouble of using a terrible dummy. He had this bottle made of sugar glass, which he had brought from US, and he used it in the fight with the cop. He made sure that the scene played out real. It is a big boon to have an extra mind on the set.
    http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/chen-cinema/kamal-too-didnt-expect-much-from-the-film/article4053951.ece

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  17. Mani’s Interview-
    Mani Ratnam, the man behind unique cinema, stars..
    http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/303708/mani-ratnam-the-man-behind-unique-cinema-stars.html

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  18. Shridhar Raghavan‏@ShridharR
    Take time off. Find a DVD rental. Rent all Mani Rathnam films. Buy Conversations with MR by Baradwaj Rangan. Read. Learn. Enjoy. FABULOUS.

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    • Re: “Ratnam’s fine point about casting famous faces for minor parts to do away with the need for building an emotional connection from scratch and to harness their screen legacy warrants further analysis”

      Satyam, I think you’ve done some of this analysis!

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  19. something to really look forward to!

    Coming soon…

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