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Diwali Clashes: The Screen Count Factor
Monday 12th November 2012 11.30 IST
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There has been a major controversy this year regarding the availability of screens but this has been the case nearly every year where one film gets the edge in terms of screens.
The possible difference this year being they were booked well in advance by Jab Tak Hai Jaan distributors which fuelled the controversy while in the past bookings were made closer to release time. The other important factors being much wider releases today and the number of screens gaining more importance as business is all about the first week. It is important to get the screens whether you get them 3 months prior to release or 6 months, its a must to have them.
Below is a look at recent Diwali clashes and the part that screen count played in them and as can be seen one film always held the edge but probably never to the extent seen this Diwali.
Golmaal 3 – 1700 screens
Action Replayy – 1400 screens
Golmaal 3 had more screens and much a better chain than Action Replayy and initially it was a one horse race as Golmaal 3 had more capacity. Action Replayy crashed after Diwali period so for Golmaal 3 it was like a solo release as it got the screens requied and the competition crashed very quickly.
Blue – 1500 screens
All The Best – 1300 screens
Blue had more screens and a better chain which reflected in opening collections. It was another matter that Blue crashed after the holiday period and All the Best picked up and started collecting more than Blue from the day five onwards. Still All The Best was a hit film in terms of content and the only reason it did not the hit business it deserved was due to the fact that it got such a low initial due to clash.
Golmaal Returns – 1250 screens
Fashion – 750 screens
Fashion being a niche film and not needing single screens meant the screens were irrelevant in this clash though the business of Fashion was hurt as audiences preferred Golmaal Returns.
Om Shanti Om – 1300 screens
Saawariya – 900 screens
This is as close as we get to the Diwali clash this year where Om Shanti Om took most of the high collecting single screens available and was a one horse race initially and unlike The Blue/All The Best scenario where the big opener crashed, here it was Saawariya that crashed.
Don – 825 screens
Jaan-E-Mann – 700 screens
As the digital revolution was in its initial stages it was a fairer situation as distributors themselves were wary of going deep into interiors as extra prints may not recover the print cost so basically two films releasing on same day did not have a screen problem. Don 2 had extra screens as being a Shahrukh Khan starrer, multiplexes gave it more screen time and the extra single screens it got was due to the fact it was action film. Jaan-E-Mann distributors could have easily released on more single screens but obviously distributors at the time preferred better occupancies at single screens as higher occupancy meant higher share.
All the clashes prior like 2005 (Garam Masala, Kyonki, Shaadi No1), 2004 (Veer Zaara, Aitraaz, Mughal-E-Azam, Naach) and before had little screen issues as there were enough to go around due to smaller releases.
We have come from a 525 screen release for Veer Zaara in 2004 to a 3300 screen release in the form of Ek Tha Tiger in 2012 as the digital revolution gained momentum especially over the last 2 years so it is inevitable that one film will come off worse in a clash especially as business is all about first week so every big film will like to have those 3000 screens in week one to capitalise but its impossible with a clash that both films get the screens required.
Son Of Sardaar has been hurt with the release this year and even though Jab Tak Hai Jaan has got the single screens it would have liked its business in multiplexes has been curtailed due to the clash. At the end of the day both films may emerge hits or even super hits but they will stay below the potential they could have achieved otherwise. Even if one does the implausible and goes to 250 crore it will still mean more was out there with the perfect release from day one which likes of Ek Tha Tiger, Ra.On, Bodyguard etc got.
Diwali Releases Advance Report: Jab Tak Hai Jaan Leads
Monday 12th November 2012 10.30 IST
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Jab Tak Hai Jaan leads in the advance bookings over Son Of Sardaar. It was always going to lead in terms of number of tickets sold before release simply because there are far more tickets available due to much wider release. But in terms of percentage of tickets sold at a theatre it is leading almost across the board.
The gap is less in the North with some multiplexes on par while Jab Tak Hai Jaan having 5-10% lead in others but in places like Hyderabad and Pune there is a big difference with Jab Tak Hai Jaan leading by a margin.
The biggest problem for Son Of Sardaar is that in centres where it would have given Jab Tak Hai Jaan a run for its money it does not have the screens as Jab Tak Hai Jaan has cornered 90% of the big collecting single screens in Delhi city, UP, Rajasthan and CI. The battle is likely to be closest in East Punjab as single screens have a low contribution in the circuit but even here as there are a lot of premium multiplexes so Jab Tak Hain Jaan should come out ahead but with a smaller gap than the rest of India.
Still both films are looking at a strong opening though the first day will be up and down due to Diwali festivities but on day two both films will go to capacity houses or near capacity houses.
At the Box Office, It’s a James Bond Weekend
By BROOKS BARNES
Daniel Craig as James Bond in Francois Duhamel/Columbia Pictures and Metro Goldwyn Mayer Daniel Craig as James Bond in “Skyfall.”
LOS ANGELES — The 50-year-old James Bond movie franchise — a survivor of Austin Powers parodies, egregious product placement, Jason Bourne, polyester and Denise Richards in the role of a nuclear physicist — just delivered its best opening-weekend results ever.
“Skyfall” took in an estimated $87.8 million over the weekend in North American theaters, easily enough for No. 1 and a new high for Ian Fleming’s long-in-the-tooth superspy — even when adjusting for inflation, according to Hollywood.com, which compiles box office data. (“Skyfall” did have the advantage of playing in 3,505 theaters.)
“Skyfall,” which cost Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Sony Pictures Entertainment about $200 million to make, has taken in an additional $428 million overseas, where Sony has distribution rights. The Imax sneak-peek showings in North America chipped in $2.2 million more.
“Part of it is movie magic — the team here knocked it out of the park — and part of it is franchise DNA,” said Rory Bruer, Sony’s president of worldwide distribution. “From the inception of Bond until now, most men fantasize about being him and most women fantasize about dating him.”
The “Skyfall” results are also a stark reminder for Hollywood, ever in search of blockbusters, that nothing beats old-fashioned storytelling and filmmaking. “Skyfall” earned stellar reviews — on par with Steven Spielberg’s Oscar-contending “Lincoln,” according to RottenTomatoes.com — by delivering a coherent plot, bringing back classic characters, embracing 007’s historically playful tone and eschewing computerized effects in favor of live-action shoots.
In many ways, “Skyfall” listened to Bond fans, many of whom were upset with the 2008 “Quantum of Solace. Perhaps feeling pressure from the younger Jason Bourne spy series, “Quantum of Solace” stripped out much of the Bond quirk. Audiences gave “Skyfall” an A score in exit polls.
Starring Daniel Craig in his third outing as 007 and Javier Bardem as a throwback villain, “Skyfall” was directed by Sam Mendes from a script by Neal Purvis, Robert Wade and John Logan.
“Bond has a resonance that keeps him cool, and Sam Mendes clearly paid particular attention to that,” said Greg Foster, chairman and president of Imax Filmed Entertainment.
That “Skyfall” made it to screens at all is something of a Hollywood miracle. The film was delayed due to lengthy financial troubles at MGM that resulted in bankruptcy. Sony helped save the day, agreeing to co-finance and distribute the thriller for a continued stake in the series. MGM and its producing partner, EON Productions, own roughly 75 percent of “Skyfall,” with Sony holding the remaining 25 percent.
The studios delivered a marketing campaign that included Mr. Craig’s much-discussed stunt at the London Olympics, supposedly parachuting into the opening ceremony with Queen Elizabeth II in his arms. For Sony’s marketing wizards, “Skyfall” is their 9th No. 1 release of 2012.
Can they make “Skyfall” the biggest Bond of all time in America? It will be difficult: “Thunderball” (1965) holds that rank, taking in $508.2 million in North America, after adjusting for inflation, according to Hollywood.com.
For the weekend, “Wreck-It Ralph” (Walt Disney Studios) was second, selling an estimated $33.1 million in tickets, for a two-week total of $93.7 million. Two well-reviewed dramas were third and fourth: “Flight” (Paramount Pictures) took in about $15.1 million, for a two-week total of $47.8 million, and “Argo” (Warner Brothers) grossed $6.7 million, lifting its five-week total to an estimated $87.1 million.
“Taken 2” (Fox) chugged along in fifth place, with about $4 million, for a six-week total of $131.3 million.
Also notable was “Lincoln,” which arrived in only 11 theaters as a buzz-building technique — perhaps the smallest initial release ever for one of Mr. Spielberg’s films — and took in $900,000.
Son Of Sardaar
By Taran Adarsh, 12 Nov 2012, 16:49 hrs IST
S.S. Rajamouli, the creative genius, holds the enviable record of delivering stupendous Blockbusters in a row. His films, consequently, have been remade in various Indian languages… the Hindi film industry has woken up to his brilliance as well. VIKRAMARKUDU was remade as ROWDY RATHORE, EEGA was dubbed in Hindi as MAKKHI and now, Rajamouli’s MARYADA RAMANNA gets a Hindi avatar — SON OF SARDAAR — after being remade in Kannada and Bengali languages. MARYADA RAMANNA, in turn, displayed a striking similarity to the 1923 Hollywood silent film OUR HOSPITALITY.
Ajay Devgn convincingly plays son-of-the-soil with power, playfulness and colorful pagdis in every scene. He switches from comedy, action and romance flippantly, impressing with funny lines, gimmicks atop a ghodi (Jassi again) and tons of PJJs (poor-Punju-jokes). Sonakshi throws in another ‘heavy-weight’ performance. In Ajay’s own words, “kaafi bhaari hai” (read: weight). She does her usual dance routine (with ceetees et al), spouts ‘chal jhoota’ to all men, and plays the moophat girl in true sardarni style
FB 26 – The premiere of JTHJ at YRF an incredible effort and experience. They converted an entire floor into a old world charm theatre, and then the film started. SRK’s best after ‘Swades’ .. film, what a tribute to a great creative artist and an even greater human … loved it …
Mr Bachchan has long lost the credibility, sad but indeed true. Great man, but not honest opinions.
Here i remember the words of Aamir Khan (i havent read someone said he said those words, so its hearsay ) that he doesnt attend premier as u are than bound to say good words…
Expecting BigB to give honest opinions is futile. Especially when he has so many friends in the film industry.
When one attends a premier, one has to praise. There is no escape!
The picture will be clear after a few days.
Rani seems to have a field day over her cousin Kajol. It is rumoured that she helped in compiling the guest list.
Rani was never invited to any of BigB’s functions nowadays. But Ajay and Kajol get invited.
Kajol is as much part of YRF as SRK. Yet she is ignored this time.
We are living in very fluctuating times.
Agree that AB Sr is the worst when it comes to giving blunt opinions about his colleagues. But that is his nature. I mean, the guy says he wants to stand in front of grumpy Shah with his hands folded when Shah talks about AB’s acting abilities. If this is how he treats bad-mouthers, how in the world can he be blunt about people who he is on good terms with? He is a text-book Libran.. I have learnt never ever to take his opinions on contemporary Hindi films seriously. Doesn’t matter that I am a die-hardest fan…
No don’t agree … If Sr B doesn’t like any movie, he don’t even say any word even if he attended premier. Case study … CCTC, he attended its premier in London but doesn’t praise it on next day blog spot .. he just said “I attended premier of CCTC on insist of Akshay kumar” .. that’s it. There are few more such occasions i have to recollect.
As the star-studded JTHJ premiere began with style, there was something amiss. Kajol, the main lead of the all-time YRF hit DDLJ was not present as she was apparently not invited. This is the result of the legal battle between Yash Raj Films and Ajay Devgn Ffilms for screens. Thus, Kajol, a YRF favorite, ended up being a member of the enemy camp.
Kajol’s sister Tanisha confirmed this news by retweeting, “@Tanishaa003 Kajol was da leading lady of DDLJ… we condemn such shameful act decide by rani, srk, yash ji family, uday and adi”.
Yes, as far as I know Rani Mukherjee is a cousin of Kajol’s.
ya so i feel it must be very tough times for two sisters caught in this situation.
Son of Sardar has very good opening in northern circuits according to BOI while J is very good at multiplexes. J is poor in smaller circuit single screens. Dog in the manger. If I dont get, I will see that you wont either.
J is performing well(much more than SOS) in the Mysore circuit where the screen space is limited according to the state rules. Ditto in West Bengal.
This YRF strategy will encourage piracy. Those who want to see SOS will be compelled to see it on pirated dvds. Just like when drinking is prohibited, there will emerge blackmarket as it is happening in gujarat.
LOL are u from Gujarat ?
asking as u took referred gujarat, See Blackmarket is happening in Gujarat may be, both on the positive side Miss, u will know that Gujarat is very safe place. Even at night u dont get drunks on road etc. Its very less, and good family atmosphere.
I know everything has its pros and cons. But Gujarati People prefer the Ban on drinking, though i understand the blackmarket thing, as there is this Act called Prevention of Anti Social Activiites Act, 1986 ( in 1985 we had ordinance) via which bootleggers who cause danger to public place are arrested and detained for one year without any trial. And i know a bit as i have myself challenged the law as unconstitutional for a client of mine. Notice is issued to Advocate General of the State of Gujarat.
But even the strong Modi Govt has refused to interfere in this field… as one can sense that people of gujarat prefer safe and healthy enviornment at public places.
ps: none of this are my opinions. Just what i feel from public
Stayed there for more than 5 years. ahmedabad. Very safe place. We used to cycle even during late nights.
Wow!! nice to know, me to from Ahmedabad. You should visit sometime, it has undergone a sea change… huge devolopment. River Front and Bus Rapid Transport System.
U know there is a book called 3 mistakes of my life, being made into film as “Kapyo Che” is shot in ahmedabad.
“Stayed there for more than 5 years. ahmedabad. Very safe place. We used to cycle even during late nights.”
Nice info sanjana
Cycling is good 4 health ESP @ nite & if done in a ‘group’
Btw how do u rate the safety of that place with Bombay -THE metropolis/shanghai in India apparently
“This YRF strategy will encourage piracy”
Ok let me try to understand this. YRF booked a theater for JTHJ and that’s why ppl of that area will see SOS on pirated CDs. But if they would have allowed SOS to release there then ppl wouldn’t have seen JTHJ on pirated CDs ….
“Just like when drinking is prohibited, there will emerge blackmarket as it is happening in gujarat.”
Ok So to stop black marketing, Gujarat govt should lift ban on drinking…
The quips about Sardar jokes and Sardar quirks lend a self-deprecating transparency to the character. Ideally, Akshay Kumar would’ve played this part. But Devgn takes the rather dimwitted but affable character to a higher than the goofy plane. This man knows when to act dumb.
Among the truckloads of supporting players, Mukul Dev as an oafish loutish drunkard stands out. But didn’t he play the same character in Samir Karnik’s “Chaar Din Ki Chaandni” not too long ago? Come to think of it, haven’t we visited the Punjabi heartland frequently enough since Imtiaz Ali’s “Jab We Met”? Give this one a chance though.
“Son Of Sardaar” is a rollicking rumbustious wild and wacky action-comedy. It’s a spaghetti-western relocated to Punjab that would keep Devgn’s fans regaled. Even if you are not a big fan of the typical potboiler this one makes you smile.
One question: why was Juhi Chawla behaving like Dolly Bhindra?
Jodhpur .. JTHJ first show collections from 5 cinemas 99900. And SOS from 5 cinemas .. 139700. SOS is much ahead in Rajasthan.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan V Son Of Sardar Initial Report
Tuesday 13th November 2012 14.30 IST
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The opening of the Diwali releases across India has come in as follows. This is the opening in till 1 pm. There will be a drop in afternoon and early evening shows for both films.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Average
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Good
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Excellent
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Excellent
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Bumper
Son Of Sardaar – Below Average
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Good
Son Of Sardaar – Good
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Good
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Good
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Excellent
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Excellent
Son Of Sardaar – Below Average (Hyderabad and Andhra) Good (Marathawada)
Jab Tak Hai Jaan – Bumper
Son Of Sardaar – Below Average
Excellent 80-95% plus
Good 65-80% plus
Average 50-65% plus
Below Average less than 50%
JTHJ is receiving excellent or bumper openings everywhere. SoS seems to have good opening in most places! Now it’s up to the movies themselves!
Son Of Sardaar Good Opening Excellent In North
Tuesday 13th November 2012 12.00 IST
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Son Of Sardaar had a good opening of around 65-70% on average at multiplexes with Delhi/UP, East Punjab and Rajasthan being excellent with capacity or near capacity houses.
The opening was just decent in parts of Mumbai circuit, West Bengal and South with some theatres opening below 50%.
The single screen opening is similar to multiplexes with excellent collections in North and decent elsewhere but in places like UP and Rajasthan where the film has taken an excellent start it has limited single screens and a weak chain of single screens which will hit business.
Diwali Puja will hit the film from noon onwards and Son Of Sardaar may be hit harder than Jab Tak Hai Jaan because business is hit hardest in circuits where Son Of Sardaar has opened to excellent response while South has limited affect where the film has had average opening.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan Extraordinary Opening at Multiplexes
Tuesday 13th November 2012 11.30 IST
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Jab Tak Hai Jaan had an extraordinary opening at multiplexes collecting full houses or near full across the board. The opening was excellent even at multiplexes which are not known to take a huge opening in the first show.
The pace will slow after 12 noon due to Dilwali Puja but in some circuits the effect of Diwali Puja is limited and those circuits will come out with huge numbers.
The opening has opened at record pace in Mysore and West Bengal with multiplexes recording mind boggling numbers and with Bangalore having a limit of shows on screenings per film, the release of Jab Tak Hai Jaan is on par with the biggest releases so it may even manage a record opening day total in Mysore.
The early indications from single screens are also a strong opening but not at the level of multiplexes, the opening gets lower as the centres gets smaller.
Publics reactions of SOS
This is fake … not related to SOS. SRK fans .. please stop this nonsense.
This is authentic public reaction ..
JTHJ public views
All reviews of JTHJ so far have mentioned that the script is flawed, the story has large holes in plot and logic, that it is not realistic, that it strains credulity, etc., but that it is still worth seeing. But none of these critics has used the phrase “leave your brains at home”. Is that reserved only for comedies and “masala” movies? I find this really intriguing.
Box Office Capsule @boxofficecapsul
Just in…#jthj advance figure till yesterday night..approx 15.75 cr…mind blowing
Saw Jab Tak Hai Jaan. Alternative title Promises to God, it isnt that good, more here:
As Ghajini like journals are read by Akira , the tale of Samar and Meera in London and the punish that breaking promises to god brings unfurl. Meera grew up trading wishes with promises to God. In a church, with Samar at her side she made a promise to God that she would not cross the “limits” of her friendship with Samar ( Because she wasnt 100% sure she had the commitment in her without said promise). Echoes of those movies where they referred to such limit crossings as “Kahi phisal na jaaye” rang through. Any how the limits are crossed, in the phone booth, in the bed, in the subway, outdoors and so on. And such immorality has to be punished by the screenwriting gods with a Samar traffic accident. At this point Meera makes a wish/promise trade (Let him live and if he does i’ll never be with him again). Samar gets better and Meera tells Samar that he has been let go, coz of promises to God. A part of the deal is that Samar shouldnt stick around London.
Cinematic challenges in recovering from retrograde amnesia from 2002 to 2012 :1.God Dam Katrina Kaif doesnt age in 10 years 2. Memory of seeing Ghajini erased
Some time after the interval Samar (10 years or so after the Meera times) returns to London ( note he had promised to stay away from London)…and… the wrath of god! Traffic incident again! Also as a free bonus memory loss (retrograde to the point of the first accident). The movie rolls on and even towards the very end when Samar and Meera again break the promise there is an Inception-like-will-the-top-stop feel, will the wrath of God strike again.”
Seriously that’s a insane plot!!
Dont tell me there is memory loss, and seperation because of promise to god?? are they indeed nuts!
Yes there is! But whats disappointing is that they couldnt take all that and make it entertaining
agree, and on this point i shall point when i heard ghajini plot i thought it was insane, but they made it believable and acceptable.
Guys, multiple comments that are just half a sentence or something similar will be deleted. I’ve already done more than a few over the last couple of days. The forum is buried when there are too many ‘incoherent’ or incomplete thoughts. A few are ok but serial cases will be deleted!
I had the incredible misfortune of watching JTHJ today and it was absymally bad. Even excellent company couldn’t salvage this mess for me- my friends and I very tempted to walk out at more than one point- The film plods on painfully for FAR too long.
SRK looks awful and it’s blatantly obvious that his loverboy avatar is well past expiry date. This film also has the weakest female characters of any Yash Chopra romance that I have seen- Katrina’s character is completely unbelievable and purely there for fantasy fulfillment, and her lifeless acting only emphasizes the short-comings of her character arc. Anushka is the best of this trio, but her ‘bubbly’ act starts grating after a while, and she is saddled with the typical ‘modern carefree bitch’ (as she describes herself) character who loses her independence and strength the minute she falls in love with a man. Still, her character was the best thing in this film, and the movie was most bearable when it focussed on her, especially the stretch in Ladakh. Oh, and the Katrina-SRK chemistry is absolutely unconvincing- SRK-Anushka actually look more beleivable together, despite the clearly visible age difference.
The film tries pathetically hard to be edgy/ youthful/ modern: there are several EXTREMELY awkward kisses, a very fake looking ‘wild’ London party and even an insipid lecture on the invalidity of marraige and how one doesn’t need a piece of paper to love someone. But the worst offender in the trying-too-hard-to-be-cool department has to be Anushka’s character. Here is a sample of her dialouge:
“I’m 21, I’m from the instant generation. Instant break-up, instant make-up. We have sex first, then we fall in love.”
And finally, the worst element of the film- the ridiculously convoluted, miserably poor plot. The movie is overtly melodramatic, even by YRF standards and it involves every single tired SRK Loverboy cliche inexistence: multiple nearly fatal accidents, memory loss, estranged mothers, estranged lovers, religious guilt, emotional blackmail, unrequited lovers, arranged engagements that are destined to be broken and earnest vows taken in the church. There is also sickeningly sachcharine dialouge, jingoistic national pride, and idiotic medical advice aplenty.
Basically- this is the leaswatch this only if you are a die-hard SRK fan or if you really like ogling at Katrina Kaif- and even then, you might find yourself growing restless at certain points.
one question is Katrina Playing foreigner in the film ? if yes cool. If no, why pray to jesus ? and in church ?
i have found this quite god awful, this days that marriages in silver screen are more like christian marriages and that instead of praying to one’s own god, more characters are shown praying to church?
I am not religious minded, and accept all God as one, but this tendency is quite too unacceptable for me atleast.
Rooney- In the film, both of Katrina’s parents are Punjabi, so she is technically Indian. But culturally, her character is a very caricaturish, stereotypical interpretation of the ‘prim, propah and posh’ type of British girl.
As for identity loss- I would not say so. The film is still very much a Yash/ Aditya Chopra romance- but they have tried to incorporate ‘edgy’/ ‘sexy’ elements into their usual formula which do not work at all IMO- for example, there is one scene with Katrina stripping off her clothes sexily on the London tube which is very cheaply filmed- it looks so out of place with the usual YRF universe, almost like a spoof that you would see in an SNL sketch or something.
Wtf!! “there is one scene with Katrina stripping off her clothes sexily ”
that’s disgusting!! how can a heroine like Katrina say yes if she has any self respect ?
I read one review on Tanqeed, where the guy has used the word like pervert and EMRAAN HASMI TYPE MOVIE, and i was not able to accept it…. someone has even said mouth to mouth kiss… certainly i wont like to watch it with small kids.
That sounds desperation, and quite awful.. to think of kat is so young and SRK is 50 something!
Sadly, perverted is an apt adjective to describe the entire SRK-Kat ‘romance’ in this film- much of their footage together wouldn’t look out of place in a Hashmi film. I would NOT reccomend taking young children to watch this film!
BTW- she is only shown very briefly taking a few items of her clothes off, there is aboslutely no nudity or anything. It’s just that the whole set-up is so stereotypical and SLEAZY- Kat and SRK are alone in public transport, Kat starts sexily unbuttoning her shirt to reveal some seductive lingerie whilst pouting suggestively, and then unzips her boots- at that point, this old man steps into the tube and starts ogling Kat..
>Kat starts sexily unbuttoning her shirt to reveal some seductive lingerie whilst pouting suggestively, and then unzips her boots- at that point, this old man steps into the tube and starts ogling Kat..
First this scene is described as perverted and other strong words …and then THIS description comes up!! LOL!!
“First this scene is described as perverted and other strong words …and then THIS description comes up!!”
I was trying to emphasize exactly how sleazy the scene was- hence the description!
I did NOT find the scene to be sexy or seductive in the least- I was trying to convey the (sleazy) intent of the filmmaker.
Showing a bit of lingerie, and unzipping ……..’boots’ is sleazy! Hahahaha
SRK turned 47 on November 2. I have not yet watched the film; may, may not. But if alip to lip kiss is needed as per script, what’s the big deal?”
“But if alip to lip kiss is needed as per script, what’s the big deal?”
The script is completely harebrained and nothing that goes on is ‘needed’ as such. And it’s not the kisses themselves that I obejct to- it’s how supremely awkward and unsuave they looked. The film was clearly trying to project SRK as a more sexual hero, as opposed to the squeaky clean lover boy image of Raj/ Rahul- but it did it in a very inept way, and large portions of the film ended up looking pretty sleazy.
Just to make myself clear- I’m not taking a moralistic stand here and saying that any of the film content was ‘indecent’- I’m talking in terms of aesthetics and tone. It is possible for certain directors to film graphic lovemaking scenes in a sophisticated manner, and for certain actors to carry off such content- unfortunately, neither the director nor the lead actor had a clue as to how to construct a mature, charismatically sexual hero (which is what they were aiming for) and the writing for the sexually liberated female character was awful (although Anushka did the best with her role that she could)- as a result, the ‘edgy/ modern/ sexual’ aspect of the film was utterly cringeworth.
In any case, this is not just my opinion- Rooney quotes a reviewer who compared the film to Hashmi’s movies, and even a critic like Mihir Fadnavis (who is no prude when it comes to cinema, as his previous reviews will prove) found the sex scenes to be disgustingly shot.
Sorry I meant-
It is possible for certain directors to film even graphic lovemaking scenes in a sophisticated manner, and for certain actors to carry off such content, but it is also possible to make even a simple kiss look crude and clumsy.
well if u also agree with pervert and hasmi description, then one i feel it is sad as u said.
The man the legend… and the last fim :(
“Showing a bit of lingerie, and unzipping ……..’boots’ is sleazy! Hahahaha”
Haha +1 Oldgold ;-)
Wait, aa95 doesn’t consider this to be sleazy? Then OFCOURSE it must be perfectly respectable, after all Alex is the gold standard for decency around here! :-P
Yeah I find it perfectly respectable & acceptable
What would a young London gal do on the metro lol
C’mon folks -let’s be ‘adults’
Even kids nowadays watch more lurid stuff on their mobiles /net –would have preferred a European Style auteuristic naturalistic treatment but this seems reasonable enuf–after all this is yrf & not some indie euro deal
Ps2: note how anya &/or Oldgold are taking Katrinas role in the correct spirit –well done gals
@ami : do u think that at this age the great director suffered from idendity loss … and he tried to be a imtiaz ali or cocktail type here?? in describing the youth and failed miserably ?
what do u think? as from ur views it seems the script is the one that plays the spoilsport and how SRK chose to act along with Kat in such a flick is shocking…
thanks for your take Ami..
Satyam- could you please delete the comment about Katrina on the tube? (the one that OG objected to)
Ami, I don’t see a big deal with that comment. One of the problems also is that if you delete a comment which has had responses you have to delete all these as well otherwise the thread gets screwed up. If it’s something very objectionable I’d nonetheless take it off. Don’t see anything out of the ordinary here.
As for the larger discussion, and this is for everyone, let’s not drown the thread with nitpicking over someone’s views.
Ok, never mind then- it’s just that Alex also seems to have read it in the same way that OG did…
That’s probably cos they have not read it properly
“That’s probably cos they have not read it properly”
Oh I forgot one needs to ‘read’ something b4 commenting ‘about’ it –a minor error
Filmi girl —nice 2 hear from u
Did sandy treat Yu right …
Thanks Ami — I kinda cracked up reading your comments on this film.
Alas, it seems you had to suffer a bit too much for my pleasure!
Haha, I’m glad that some good came of my suffering. :-)
“I’m 21, I’m from the instant generation. Instant break-up, instant make-up. We have sex first, then we fall in love.”
No instant coffee…come on those keurig cups are so in lol. Sounds awful…give me anything except such western wannabe crap.
Does Anushka/ Miss Kurosawa really say that? That today they have sex first and then decide to love later?? God-dammit, I am missing so much not being in India not being very young..I really didn’t know girls have become soooo helpful in India now…..
If only children could dictate when they were born..
“I really didn’t know girls have become soooo helpful in India now…..” yeah thats what im wondering
thinking of setting up an NGO camp in india somewhere in the jungles where hope to facilitate& expedite this ‘help’–& other ‘voluntary activities”
in my (limited) idea—& as per anecdotal reports from hard working folks—gals in bombay & pune (besides Delhi) firmly believe in helpful give n take
ps–has any1 here been to an ex-french place called auroville–may visit it sometime
Joginder Tuteja @Tutejajoginder 58m
Final verdict. Only one of the two new releases this Diwali has any chances to cross 100cr and that too just about.
is this indeed truely his predictions, shocking and stunning..
It is possible he is talking positively about JHTJ and negatively about SOS :)
Why do we even care about people comments? things would be clear in a day or 2.
Assuming he is speaking positively JTHJ
1) it was expected to cross 100 mark.
2) it says any chances, so he is making a statement that it might not.
3) Just about.. 100- 105 ??
that would be shocking munna.
I’m certain he’s referring to JTHJ there, surprised that he doesn’t think it will do a lot more than 100!
It’s pretty remarkable that he’s not predicting big things for JTHJ.
Here are a few of the most idiotic moments in the films IMO (contains SPOILERS):
-Katrina Kaif’s extremely traditional Punjabi father arranges her marraige to a white, English man who dutifully agrees to marry the childhood friend that his parents picked out for him.
-Katrina, who has spent her whole life in London’s most glamorous social circles is blissfully unaware of the city’s partying scene and needs the newly arrived SRK to ‘liberate’ her by taking her to a ‘wild’ party! I can understand if she grew up in Saudi Arabia, but binge drinking and sexual explictiness are a common feature even at the most prestigious British universities like Oxford and Cambridge- there is no way that a sexy, wealthy London girl can be so sheltered that just one night of dirty dancing will magically turn her from a prim-and-proper woman into a wanton sex goddess.
-When SRK loses his memory the doctor’s ‘cure’ is to ochestrate a laughably silly drama that involves Katrina and Anushka engaging SRK is elaborate pretend scenarios- apparently for the sake of his ‘mental stability’! What kind of crazy doctor makes a woman pretend to be married to her ex-boyfriend as a medicial solution? :-P
– And the most idiotic moment of them all:
SRK walks into a cordoned-off police area in London, interrupts an official bomb squad that are diffusing a bomb, and does the job himself! Not only does the squad not get suspicious and arrest the strange, South Asian man who wanders in and correctly identifies the bomb- they also let a random, unverified stranger handle the bomb while they stand by cluelessly watching! :-P
“RK walks into a cordoned-off police area in London, interrupts an official bomb squad that are diffusing a bomb, and does the job himself! Not only does the squad not get suspicious and arrest the strange, South Asian man who wanders in and correctly identifies the bomb- they also let a random, unverified stranger handle the bomb while they stand by cluelessly watching! ”
what the heck!!
That is so disgusting, meaning i am afraid how london can allow such films to be shot in london, as instead of promoting tourism, they promote how weak and bad security is in that country :P
Yes thats probably Aditya Chopra giving the finger to Karan Johar . From My Name is Khan and I am not a terrorist to Samar Anand Bomb Disposal squad Indian Army (recently recovered from Amnesia)
Splendid review Ami. This was hilarious. I was not too keen on watching this in theatre anyway but after reading ur review i wouldn’t even touch it with a bargepole.
Thanks much Saurabh :-) But please, do not stay away from the theatre only because of my review! Some poor souls are suffering from delusions and seem to think that I have an evil masterplan to single-handedly damage a superstar’s film- comments like these will only add fuel to their paranoia! :-P
I’ve always had a thing for powerful women who can wreck a star’s career — where were you in 1995, when this could have been nipped in the bud?
Best. Comment. Ever.
Jab Tak Ha Jaan.
Srk goes to london nd meets Kat.. She keeps on taking to jesus asking for things and making promises in return..
On one such instance she decides to let go of Srk in order to save his life..
In comes Anushka with the dreams of discovery channel & the man who cannot die…
And another accident and some short term memory loss and a little india pak bonding later all is well…
Well what did i feel at the end of the movie, considering the fact that most of it did mot make sense…
I totally loved it… I had tears in my eyes during a movie after ages… There have been a lot of funny massy entertainers and now this one is an emotional massy entertainer…
Well The King Is Back…
The best line for me in Ami’s review
‘Even excellent company couldn’t salvage this mess for me’
Im planning to see it in the theatre in the next couple of days. Have been expecting at least a fair to good film, as I do from yash chopra. I knew it from the promos that Anushka-SRK would be the best part. Katrina I thought would be the weak link. She’s fine for frothy rom coms, but anything involving a bit of passion play and she just appears too frigid.
@Ami – your views on JTHJ have me LMAO.
“I’m 21, I’m from the instant generation. Instant break-up, instant make-up. We have sex first, then we fall in love.”
Seriously?? I’ve never heard any 21 year old say anything of the sort and I belong to the same age group.
I was going to watch Son Of Sardar tonight 9:15pm show but seeing the reaction of those I’m tempted to give JTHJ a dekho and treat myself to some comedy gold :P
lol naveedthat is what i was going to say, i have never met any such girl, inspite of studying in probably one of the most modern campus!! and i am of the same age group…
How else is one to accept one is in 20s and very modern and contemporary – and a woman..err girl ;-) – and therefore to believe that the review hits the mark coming from such a person. LOL
“and therefore to believe that the review hits the mark coming from such a person”
I might have misunderstood you- but are you saying that I am a similar person to Anushka’s character in the film? Because I do NOT believe that a twenty-something woman needs to say such things to prove her modernity!
>I do NOT believe that a twenty-something woman needs to say such things to prove her modernity!
So then why did you have to say it to prove Katrina’s characterisation as ‘wrong’ – because ‘you’ know how it all is.
No! You misunderstood me- I did NOT say that Katrina should enjoy casual sex/ binge drinking just because she is a glamorous young woman living in London- she certainly does not have to. But as a young woman moving with a glamorous crowd in London- she would have definietely been EXPOSED to such aspects of the city, and it is unbelievable that she would be so shocked and transformed just by attending one party where people dance wildly.
There is a BIG difference between saying that a woman would be aware of these things and saying that a woman should do these things!
For example, here is a recent news item about a university party at Cambridge-
This is the sort of thing that Indian movies would charecterize as behaviour exhibited only by bimbos and crazy out-of-control party animals, but in reality this is just a part of student culture in the UK, and even the most intelligen students at the most prestigious academic institutions are part of this culture. So it’s unrealistic that a rich, glamorous university student in London would be shocked and transformed by what is relatively normal behaviour for her demographic.
Let’s stick to the point of discussion – to which I responded, as Naveed and mksrooney did, about your declarations.
Your insistence that a woman is EXPOSED to things because she moves with a certain type of crowd is a thought you want to impose on others just because you can’t accept it yourself.
It’s not necessary to move into ‘every’ activity of such a crowd. One can be in it, and yet outside it.
If you click on the top rated comments for this newspaper article- they’re all basically saying, what’s the big deal, let the students have fun- and this would be the normal reaction that somebody in the UK would have to such ‘debauchery’- so it’s not very believable when you have this glamorous Londoner who is so sheltered that one night of wearing skimpy clothes and dancing without inhibition have such a profound effect on her character. Which is NOT to say that she MUST do these things in order to be glamorous and modern- she can still be aware of these things and CHOOSE not to do them. But for her to be shown as being prim-and-proper simply because she is not even aware of people who live in a more uninhibited manner is unrealistic.
OG- you can be outside it but you cannot be completely unaware of such a pervasive element of the culture that surrounds you!
And I am very much sticking to the discussion, just elaborating on, and explaining my point!
There are innumerable example of being AWARE of something …and yet being SHOCKED when actually confronting it.
I’m just enjoying this debate, because of the superficial criticism levelled…….I actually know that the idea is to start a Ra.one kind of mockery of the film.
I feel like we are going around in circles now. I’m not going to argue about this anymore, so let me just explain what I meant one last time:
I do NOT think that modernity is simply about getting drunk and having sex- and I do NOT like films where the ‘modern’ female character is shown demonstrating her modernity only by getting drunk and having sex.
At the same time, I do think that it is unrealistic that a university student in London would be so sheltered that going to a party where people dance a little raunchily would give her a major culture shock. However, this does not in anyway mean that I think that all young women in London spend their time at such parties, or that this is in any way a prerequisite for being a modern woman!
As for your idea that I am trying to start a Ra.One style mockery of this film- you are being overly paranoid. I was simply voicing my thoughts on a film that I thought was unintentionally funny- I am not masterminding any plot to bring down the film!
@oldgold and ami
Its a classic case of different approach.
In legal parlance we used a word “reasonable man” so as to understand the motives, activities and outcome. For deciding cases.
In this case it seems we have two genuinely different “reasonable woman” description.
But i from my limited knowledge am ready to accept the reasonable woman description by Ami.
But i guess both can agree to disagree!
“I’m just enjoying this debate, because of the superficial criticism levelled”
LOL! Your bizarre outpourings of hatred against Aamir are a constant source of amusement for many people on SS, so I’m happy if my comments provide you some enjoyment in return!
I must also apologize for the superificiality of my criticsm- I was actually stupid enough to think that films like JTHJ were very superficial, and only required a superifical analysis, but clearly I am wrong, and there are some hidden depths that you have uncovered that are inaccessible to less perceptive souls like me! :-P
The next time I watch a sugary romance, I will make sure to pay rapt attention and take detailed notes in the theatre so that my subsequent analysis of the film will be intellectual enough to meet your strigent criteria!
This is an interesting topic and may join later
Good points both ways Amy & Oldgold
Oldgold is in top form though
“>“I’m 21, I’m from the instant generation. Instant break-up, instant make-up. We have sex first, then we fall in love.”
Hmm now this becomes a must-watch (with the ‘right’ company) ;-)
Bringing Amir into the discussion proves
-you have no more ground to stand on.
>But i from my limited knowledge am ready to accept the reasonable woman description by Ami.
I’m absolutely shocked at your choice of not supporting a pro srk film pov ;-)
“Bringing Amir into the discussion proves
-you have no more ground to stand on.”
No- it merely shows that I was trying to illustrate the irony of you blaming somebody else for superifical criticism of a star/ the intention to pull a star’s films down. ;-)
“Your insistence that a woman is EXPOSED to things because she moves with a certain type of crowd is a thought you want to impose on others just because you can’t accept it yourself.
It’s not necessary to move into ‘every’ activity of such a crowd. One can be in it, and yet outside it.”
Wow clapping Oldgold ;-)
That reminds me of sridevis ‘climax’ speech in English vinglish
It wasn’t an accident that og was taken as Katrina (along with anya) in the spoof…& Amy as Anushka as the ‘fiery bubbly’ youngster enamoured with the hero :-)
“Bringing Amir into the discussion proves
-you have no more ground to stand on”
if that’s the case, then based on 90% of your comments and discussions on this blog, you’d be floating in outer space by now.
>the irony of you blaming somebody else for superifical criticism of a star/ the intention to pull a star’s films down.
WRONG!!!!! You were NOT superficially criticising a star, you were posting a superficial review of a film – AND THAT’S WHAT I SAID!!
Tearing a film apart, writing a scathing review – can be done for every film, even the best. And when you get support of several it begins to take on shape, and meaning.
I’m absolutely certain I could come up with an equally scathing review of any of Amir’s films, and tear it apart, (I could do that for the trailer of Talaash), but it would be made redundant, which reviews like yours and other ones deserve to be made for being so transparent in its intentions.
Just back from Jab Tak Hai Jaan. A bunch of us , 11 in all, 4 men and 7 women, ages ranging from 12 to 56, went together to see it at the 1.40pm show. We thought if we delay it , and the movie was bad, the bad word of mouth may make it impossible for us to catch it ever. And we can kind of sit through it if it was bad as long as we were in a group.
I did see it before reading any review. And I am writing this before readinga single review.
Well, I did have a suspicion it would be bad , but even in my dreams I could not think it would be this bad.
Cliché piled upon cliché, it was impossible to believe Yash Chopra actually made it.
Poor struggling yung man falling in love with a rich mna’s daughter, whose father wants her to marry another young dude. Promise made to Jesus. Memory loss and memory regained. In this time and age? For god’s sake, how could you do this to your own legacy, Yashji?
And all this desperation on Sharukh’s part. Mouth to mouth kiss. Lovemaking scenes. And dancing slasa. This Khan just can’t. Why does he even try? And Katrina, who w s showing some signs of learning bit of acting, has regressed ten years in this film. The songs are dated and boring. Not one leaves a mark. Though Katrina was wonderfully spicy in her Ishq Shava number. But the sequence was stretched way too long. And Shahrukh spoilt it with his pretense that he can dance.
The only this that made it somewhat tolerable as Anoushka’s perky presence. Her performance as faultless.
But in the end , even the scintillating company of ten could not ameliorate he boredom.
The script and the direction is so bad that I don’t want tow waste any more time writing about it after wasting 3 hours on the film.
If a film could be senile and puerile at the same time this is it.
( And from among the eleven of us, nine hated it outright and two found it tolerable.)
>11 in all, 4 men and 7 women, ages ranging from 12 to 56, went together to see it at the 1.40pm show.
>( And from among the eleven of us, nine hated it outright and two found it tolerable.)
Any other statistics to prove your point?
It’s interesting – this providing of statistics. Ami too has very helpfully told us that;
>“I’m 21, I’m from the instant generation. Instant break-up, instant make-up. We have sex first, then we fall in love.”
…and therefore the film is all wrong from this POV!!!
OldGold, it seems like you misread Ami’s comment. That “I’m 21, etc.” sentence was a quote of what Anushka’s character in the film says, not what Ami is saying about herself. If I’m the one who misread it, Ami can correct me.
LOL! It is what Anushka said NOT what I said! :-P
“Here is a sample of her dialouge:”
that is sufficient to lend the interpretation that it is the actor who says it.
Till she writes even more scathing review of Khiladi 786!
Well are we playing mujshe dosti karoge ;)
1) i guess its an invitation to offer of friendship
2) she might accept, reject or place a counteroffer
Btw Amy -cant comment on the accuracy of the rest of the statement –but if true –cheers
Like the honesty & ‘purity’
The only thing is that u seem to be still 21 for the last couple of years here :-)
Love the way Ami’s words are being twisted.Sorry Ami but I am getting a perverse pleasure reading these supposed misinterpretations :) . Btw Ami is there a hot sex scene in the film?
your comments were crystal clear ami. only people with lack of comprehension skills or specific agenda or both are having problems understanding them. also, hilarious review. i may have checked this out eventually on netflix etc. just for yrf style unintentionally hilarious ‘romance’ but this sounds way too atrocious to be enjoyable even in a fun-making sense.
but that is what oldgold does it when it comes to srk – we all know it, don’t we? making mountains out of nothing ;-)
>LOL! It is what Anushka said NOT what I said!
LOL!! Yes!! Hasty reading and commenting is responsible for this.
Thank you Antya :-)
As far as my interpretation goes its crystal clear… Ami meant Anushka said it.
Actually even I thought Amy said that …
Bcos as usual I read only random portions on the move –that statement (& admission!) by Amy caught my eye :-)
wow a lot of negative reactions pouring in on this..!
satyam, what has happened to u man? i still don’t know whether u wrote ur views on barfi, omg and all the good cinemas released recently…..skyfall? why are you depriving us from ur wonderful essays :-)
agree, one of the big reasons to come to SS is to read what Satyam writes…
haven’t been able to write anything for a while barring the review of Rangan’s book with Ratnam. Put up some thoughts on Skyfall here. To be hones haven’t seen most of those films either though have them lying around.
Seems the late Yash Chopra must have been watching too many hindi soaps on Starplus, Zee,Colors, Sony etc. and thus wanted to make a soapie movie. Atleast Ra one had some scifi concept and had a credible heroine in Kareena Kapoor.And some good music too.
@ utkal uncle -“We thought if we delay it , and the movie was bad, the bad word of mouth may make it impossible for us to catch it ever. And we can kind of sit through it if it was bad as long as we were in a group.”
Ho hum that sounds an original reason to give for catching a film ( that one os NOT Interested in on the first day first show on a working day !! Lol
@ sanjana ” I assume she must have given one star and that for anushka. I maybe wrong.”
Haha & that’s bcos she was playing that role on the spoof :-)
I liked Veer Zaara to this extent. JTHJ should match VZ standard at-least to justify this glorifying review.
I don’t think it has to meet any standards to get glowing reviews from adarsh/nahta types. They are trade people not critics, any big movie of a big prod house gets glowing reviews
In other words, Nahta is trying to say it’s a record payday for him.
Payday not only for him but the entire bunch of critics who toed the line, giving accolades to J while trashing SOS. The extent to which they will go to attain success is truly astounding.
No mainstream critic had the guts or will to go against the tide.
@ PK Talli:
This sounds straight out of RGV’s COMPANY…”It is not a love story, it is a LOVE SAGA!!”
jisko dekh ke audience BHAGA ;-)
Am in the middle of work but will get bak later on this
Thanx for your takes Amy & utkal –& for catching this fits day pest day on a Tuesday …
I have no choice –have been booked into (more than) two ‘groups’ going to watch this one sometime(s) this week/end for jthj withOUT my ‘knowledge’
“BTW- she is only shown very briefly taking a few items of her clothes off, there is aboslutely no nudity or anything. It’s just that the whole set-up is so stereotypical and SLEAZY”–hahaha –wow now will surely see it :-)
Beware the ‘katrinas’–anya, Oldgold & sanjana
Btw nice hilarious interaction there –Oldgold & Amy –keep it up –nice fun cheers
I honestly did not mean for that comment to be titillating- I was just trying to convey how/ why the scene was sleazy. :-(
Satyam- can you please delete that comment? Because I did not intend for it to come across in the manner that it did.
It’s fine Ami..
” actually know that the idea is to start a Ra.one kind of mockery of the film.”
1) DO u suggest Ra.one didnt deserve the mocking?
2) Remember a good film speaks for itself, if the product is good than it can conquer all odds.
3) i have seen srk haters coming out of Chak De or Swades and describing as the most wonderful experience.
4) Utkal and Ami are the most sincere members i know from this blog, and i will take their views.
a) there is a strip scene of lead heroine at tube
b) a bomb is defuse by unknown person rather than professional, for eg, may be samar is expert, but how can he be expert of the bomb used at London in comparison with kashmir, both can be different groups.
c) there are many kiss scenes, some one said mouth to mouth.
d) there is a scene of memory loss.
if this doesnt get mocked, raped and crucified what shall Miss?
“3) i have seen srk haters coming out of Chak De or Swades and describing as the most wonderful experience”
Great point Rooney- I dislike SRK, but there are several of films that I have enjoyed immensely. From DDLJ to Dil Se, there are so many of his movies that I’ve liked and rewatched.
I’m the same way. I hate SRK but I’m happy to admit that he makes good films from time to time. Love “Dil Se,” “Asoka,” “Chak De India,” and even have a soft spot for “Veer-Zaara.”
ASOKA?? that piece of crap? with comedians like johny lever sequence.. which was attrocious and disrespectful to King Asoka?
And please say the list about Veer Zaara, that was a mockery of court proceeding!!
rest i agree
Will Shahrukh Khan And Ajay Devgn Beat Their Diwali Bests?
Tuesday 13th November 2012 19.30 IST
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The last Diwali’s have been dominated by Shahrukh Khan with Ra.One in 2011 and Ajay Devgn with Golmaal 3 in 2010.
This year has seen both Shahrukh Khan and Ajay Devgn come on Diwali day and the early collections suggest both actors will record similar opening day figures that they had when they last came on Diwali.
Ra.One grossed around 14.50 crore nett in 2011 and Golmaal 3 grossed around 8 crore nett in 2010
Despite both films starting strongly collections took a dip from afternoon onwards due to Diwali and it is looking a 14 crore nett range for Jab Tak Hai Jaan and around 8 crore nett for Son Of Sardaar with a possible 10% up or down movement depending on late evening and night shows.
South India with limited Diwali affect could push Jab Tak hai Jaan if circuits like Mysore and Nizam are at record pace.
Actually 14 cores would be disappointing considering it is one year later, Yash Raj productions, comfort genre for SRK and Yashji’s recent demise.
You forget – Diwali is not a good time to release a movie. Komal has been saying that for years.
someone agree with u ;)
“There is enough material in the film to make doctors, Indian army personnel and London police look stupid, but the most amusing gaffe is Anushka’s character referring to herself as the ‘makeout breakout generation’, the new youth of India. The only agenda of this ‘new youth of India’ is apparently to sleep around and dump people. ”
Thanks for the link Rooney, hilarious review, and it look like he agrees with me on another point as well:
“Katrina’s character is goody goody Diana Penty from Cocktail but is secretly Deepika Padukone from Cocktail. Shahrukh falls in love with the latter, and decides to ‘free’ her Deepika-ness – a task that he achieves by bringing her to a nightclub where she suddenly drops all her inhibitions and starts doing a ghanerda favela dance.”
yup there too but i was so focused on anushka and her 21 age… and all .. i let the kat thing away .. :) ..
between i believe Kat from JTHJ should take this personality test ;) to know her character … whether she is penty or padukone :P
“whether she is panty or padukone”
Haha well either should be fine
Rise above external trivialities–both panty & padukone (in cocktail) were essentially same internally–they needed TLC that’s it ..
Both were essentially simple good girls
On an entirely different note, did anyone see the photos from the JTHJ premiere? I was struck by the supreme irony of SRK celebrating his latest outing as a romantic hero, twenty years after he started, while many of the heroines who gave him his biggest hits are now relegated to “has been” status — heroines like Madhuri, Juhi, Preity, Rani, even Aishwarya (though she wasn’t his heroine in a YRF film) — and Kajol wasn’t even invited! A better example of the cruel sexism of Bollywood can’t be found.
Mohabbatein – SRK & Aishwariya, though brief
OK, I was thinking of Devdas. But it doesn’t invalidate my main point.
Oldgold: ‘Any other statistics to prove your point?’
There is no point to prove. I hated the film and that’s that The statistics is just give you the picture. Thee is nothing that I want to prove. As I said I care least about a film like this to try and prove anything. I am just not interested.
“If a film could be senile and puerile at the same time this is it.”
Terrific line Utkal :-P
>There is no point to prove. I hated the film and that’s that
>Thee is nothing that I want to prove
> I care least about a film like this to try and prove anything.
I hope you’ve convinced yourself enough by now?
>The statistics is just give you the picture.
Of what? your proof? Opinion?
>As I said I care least about a film like this
“A FILM LIKE THIS”
…errr you mean a film NOT like Cocktail which was = to Guru Dutt’s Sahib Bibi aur Ghulam?
>I hated the film
My sympathies – especially after imposing such stringencies on yourself and hastening to catch the film on the very first day so as to avoid all influence on thought and opinion (so that you could come here and influence the thought and opinion of others before they decide on watching it) – because you are such a fan of SRK/Katrina/Anoushka and the senile and puerile director of the film.
I have a suggestion though. Now really go and watch the film and give us the reasons for this strong hate, because “I don’t want to talk about it” (especially when you haven’t watched the film) – doesn’t say much.
Word of mouth from non-paid critics and non-die hard SRK fans seems almost universally awful…
Seems like one for just the fans who want to relive SRK’s glory days. There’s nothing wrong with that but I won’t be seeing it. I have to wonder what the response would have been if Yash Chopra hadn’t passed away.
Prefer to spend my “leave your brain at home” money on Son of Sardaar, which looks much more entertaining and much less self-important.
i was going to say that what if the great man hadnt passed away
1) how would have reactions be?
2) i assume worst than this which is quite worst, and without symapathy it might have made him sick.
3) many people are being more sympathic to the great man..
i thought i would come across as rude, and it would have been inappropriate to the great man, so out of respect didnt comment on this angle.
I think if Yash Chopra were still alive, the professional critics’ reviews might have been more honest in pointing out the shortcomings of the film, which right now they are all papering over. There would still have been some restraint, since it still would have been Yash Chopra’s last film, and they still would have respected his track record.
Filmi Girl, please watch Maryada Ramanna (Telugu) after SOS. From all the promos, I think SOS has pretty much ruined the charm and cleverness of the original.
I think from the initial reactions, the main issue seems to be the fact that it looks like a tired and cliched script. Yash Raj is a smart operation and they will manufacutre a 100 crore grosser out of this pathetic effort but it really cant be considered a creditable effort.
Obviously, I am ssuming thatthe films opening is not going to earth shaterring and trending will not be decent. At this point,I think it might end in the Ra.One range overall. It is entirely possible that it might trend somewhat better and get to a 150 crore deal, tho unlikely.
Anyway, those who were predicting that the 3I records will be broken are again going to be prime offerings for an omelette!
What interests me is why the script is so bad. Surely, with all his experience, Yash Chopra should have been able to identify its weaknesses before he ever started shooting? And what is it with Aditya Chopra and his cockeyed “love” stories? I really wonder how he came up with the script for DDLJ. While it had its loopholes, they were no more than usual for a Hindi film, but after that, I haven’t been able to buy any one of the “romances” he has written, whether it’s DTPH, Veer Zaara, RNBDJ, or ETT.
I’m also baffled by viewers who find these films to be sweeping or “epic” romances. I’ve just read some posts by people who have seen JTHJ, and acknowledge its loopholes and cliches, but still say they loved the “romance.” What does this mean? I honestly don’t know. I think Mughal-E-Azam is an epic romance, as is Devdas (even, or especially, in its bowlderized filmi versions). Aradhana can be a sweeping romance, maybe even Guide (though I think there’s a lot more to Guide than mere romance). But I can’t think of anything else as being “epic.” For credible and charming romances, I prefer the films SRK did with Juhi and Aziz Mirza, and even Chalte Chalte. I’ve never been able to warm up to the Yashraj romance. Can someone explain what is so appealing about them?
Everybody makes one mistake and that would explain DDLJ. Otherwise, Aditya seems to be a somewhat ordinary film maker but a decent businessman.
I think Yashji’s fingerprints on films supposedly directed by him had been getting fainter and on that score, I would give him a pass.
I also agree with the assessment that while has his place in BW history, he was not really an exceptional director without Salim-Javed and AB.
because the public fed by media 24×7 on what to think considers anything epic if it is labelled so. and media better call it epic if it is made by a big production house, has big names and has taken too much money to make. the audience needs to get with the program if that ill-spent money is to be recovered. they better fall in line with the popular opinion, or what they are being told is the popular opinion so it can be made popular, so on and on it goes in circles. also not sure if audience cares either way, they burn some money on the latest big release, forget about it in a few days and move on. the producers throw a ‘success party’, pictures are splashed, victory is declared. and the cycle of fooling people starts all over again. the appearance of success is clearly more important than actual success if this fraud is to be perpetuated.
Classic comment from antya!
I right now feel 3I is a big beast to be broken, and u cant break unless u open without any competition.
SOS, if hadnt release i am sure JTHJ stood a chance to break the record.
ETT came close, and i fail to see Dabanng 2 going close to it. Arbaaz plus fact ETT was more multi friendly in comparision to Dabang.
I have always maintained that 3I record is a tall task but there are some who get girlishly giddy and predict that 3I records are going to be broken whenever an SRK/Salman film is being released. ETT came close but not as close as Komal or Taran would have you believe. Even for Aamir, he needs a D3 kind of deal to break 3I. Again , the director is also important. Hirani would be a good bet.
Personally speaking, for me it wouldnt be an entirely unwelcome event if the Son of Sardar triumphs over the Son of Chopra.
Maybe not, but SOS seems to be as pretty poor remake of Maryada Ramanna.
I saw the telugu version. But the hindi audience would not have accepted it wholeheartedly if it had not been tailored to their expectations. Atithi tum kab jaoge was appreciated but it did not create any hysteria. and Eaga is another example.
The other interesting facet here is that the ones who seem to be the worst critics of JTHJ are the ones who have actually managed to bunk work /college whatever to check jthj on a Tuesday first day first show :-)
like utkal uncle and also Amy —
There are also ‘ready to deliver’ spoilers
Something reminiscent to the negativity about the magnum opus Oscar material ‘cock tale’
Also credit to Oldgold etc also for detecting these agendas promptly
Anyhow these ‘issues’ have further reinforced my resolve to check JTHJ out this week –it’s only that the ‘company’ chosen shall be more appropriate for this sort do fare lol
@ my end and many others it’s not a holiday –so credit to these ‘good Samaritans’ for ‘warning’ us before hand of the dodgy script & titillating set up!
It will even more interesting to note how many of the ones tearing apart the regressiveness & skin show and other convoluted ‘moral issues’ with Katrina &/or anushka will actually end up NOT seeing JTHJ ! :-)
Ps: SOS not even showing near me & many other outlets I know
It may turn out to be Cocktail-2 for you :)
Based on reviews, Cocktail is starting to sound like Casablanca compared to this. At least there were no Rajendra Kumar chhap memory losses involved
“Based on reviews, Cocktail is starting to sound like Casablanca compared to this. At least there were no Rajendra Kumar chhap memory losses involved”
Ha anya Thanx for comparing cocktale to Casablanca —
Really like u for that…
Cocktail is a ‘personal’ film for me, u know ;-)
Btw have u seen cocktale –if not, should I arrange a private screening for ya?
No thanks! Even with your very tempting offer *sarcasm* I’d rather shoot myself in the head than watch Cocktail. Or JTHJ. Or ‘random movie that made money so we made a sequel for no reason part 2′
“rather shoot myself in the head than watch Cocktail. Or JTHJ. Or ‘random movie that made money so we made a sequel for no reason part 2′” haha anya where dya get such cunningly hilarious quips from lol
Ok give em a try–if u don’t like them–I will do anything u say ;-)
Ps: my casting for my spoofs is perfect (given the available talent-as for kat/anushka in jthj!)
Ps2: ok the same dilemma-coffee or nap
Ami’s review has clenched it for me. I assume she must have given one star and that for anushka. I maybe wrong.
Next scenario. Yash Chopra will get best director award posthumously. SRK as usual will walk away with the best actor award. J will get the best film award and I hope to catch a glimpse of reclusive Aditya Chopra receiving those awards.
Egg jaktly minna
I saw a cock tale2 in it from the first promo–
Looking 4ward to jthj more now lol
“-Katrina, who has spent her whole life in London’s most glamorous social circles is blissfully unaware of the city’s partying scene and needs the newly arrived SRK to ‘liberate’ her by taking her to a ‘wild’ party! I can understand if she grew up in Saudi Arabia, but binge drinking and sexual explictiness are a common feature even at the most prestigious British universities like Oxford and Cambridge- there is no way that a sexy, wealthy London girl can be so sheltered that just one night of dirty dancing will magically turn her from a prim-and-proper woman into a wanton sex goddess.”
ROFL Amy –hahaha :-) what entertainment
Amy –btw hope u dont mind my jokes
im just pulling your leg and dont worry bout your ’21 year..’ old ‘admission’. If true, dont think u need to be ‘defensive’ bout it or anything…
enjoy life (but with common sense lol)
ps–i know it maybe difficult to imagine for u but there are relatively ‘modern/wild/ultrahep’ girls of this type who actually arent exactly that ‘liberated/promiscuous’–i think i know a few ;-)
Peer pressure amongst other things sometimes forces them
to appear to ‘conform’ to a certain behavioral codes but when ‘push comes to shove’ (for the want of a better term), they withdraw to their natural patterns (again, rightly or wrongly)
so katrinas depiction doesnt seem so false, it seems
ps—enjoyed reading your comments here–good job–keep it up
All India Early estimation First Day #JTHJ 14-14.50C and #SOS 8.50-9.0C :)
““Katrina’s character is goody goody Diana Penty from Cocktail but is secretly Deepika Padukone from Cocktail. Shahrukh falls in love with the latter, and decides to ‘free’ her Deepika-ness – a task that he achieves by bringing her to a nightclub where she suddenly drops all her inhibitions and starts doing a ghanerda favela dance.”
Maan, it seems im gonna like Katrina here –this has the potential of being a fitting sequel/ ‘grander’ version with bigger stars /ambience than cocktail …
JTHJ IS the movie to watch!!!
Guys –Stop fooling yourselves & stop this pretence folks ;-)
Ps: just hoped they had an item number / ‘friendly cameos’ of nargis fakhri & Diana panty /padukone as well–as a sort of flashback mode/ ‘his-tory’ of the ‘heros’ experiences –that would’ve made it a more ‘comprehensive’ & ‘wholesome’ film for me :-)
So i saw SOS today with my sister. Did not like this at all. Devgn is poor, Dutt is miserable (though he looks better here physically than in Department), Sonakshi is fine and Juhi irritates (the film is as bad as G3 and worse than BB but better than Rascalz and HF films). Being a fan of both the male leads here I would hope that the it works at BO so that they (esp Dutt) can move onto something better.With the kind of films he is doing (chatur singh,department) it’s not easy being a Dutt fan these days.
“(though he looks better here physically than in Department)”..
Saurabh, seriously, what are you high on?
Saw JTHJ.. Bhai picture hai yaar.. Humein to achchi lagi..
SOS dekhne jayenge kal…
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh
Both #JTHJ and #SOS neck to neck. At places, #JTHJ is ahead. At places, #SOS. It’s a joyous Diwali for the film industry!
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh
At multiplexes, #JTHJ is outstanding. At single screens and several mass centres, the biz of #SOS is mindblowing.
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh
This is one of the best Diwalis for the film industry. Both #JTHJ and #SOS have opened to packed houses across the nation.
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh
The evening shows of both #JTHJ and #SOS will be affected today due to pooja. But tomorrow onwards, right till Sunday, expect BUMPER biz!
Komal Nahta @KomalNahta
Both films open very well at most places. JTHJ full at many many cinemas. SOS 70-90% at many centres. Happy Diwali indeed for trade!
Komal Nahta @KomalNahta
Small centres audience going crazy over SOS. Collections of the kind never seen before!!!!
it good for the industry indeed though one wonders –do folks have some jobs to do in life –it seems they were waiting outside the cinemas previous night & streamed in the first show onwards!–even 4 sos ??
reminds me of the bl..dy apple iphone/ipad releases n die-hardz sitting with their chairs (btw did that 1nce myself but during ‘childhood’)
ps–this also reminds me of a ridulous explanation i heard once for indias formidable population growth—folks dont have any ‘avenues for entertainment’ –have u heard of that b4—wth !! so if ull be bored, ull just……(no offence meant by the way for indias ‘fertile’ n virile)–just crossed my mind
btw when IS diwali?
Suspect it is today–im a bit disoriented/tired/jetlagged……..
happy diwali to satyam and all others here…..
oh just got some ‘laddoos’ etc–wow
greetings to satyam n kids n family’
and to all others on this blog
At its best, JTHJ seems to be a ho-hum effort that will probably sizzle out in less than a week.
better wait for Talaash n ignore these SOSs and JTHJs till then ..
Going through all these comments and reports from a very few friends, JTHJ sounds just about okay vokay then?
Can we then conclude that while YASH CHOPRA & friends have been instrumental in raising SRK’s stardom to astounding heights
with their films, SRK has been instrumental in bringing down feet by feet Yash Chopra’s artistic merits?
Because, it seems to me that Yash Chopra’s fall in standards (compared from his DEEWAR days to his DILDO pagal hain days)
is proportional to SRK’s rise in stardom via the RAJ/RAHUL gift to him by YC and family..or maybe it is just a
AAMIR Khan wears an interesting set of pants..So does that mean he is playing a ‘clown’ in DHOOM 3 and the trouser
is from DHOOM 3?? He does look good though.. face isn’t puffed up a la Salman..
Boney Kapoor’s son calls Anil Kapoor’s daughter the most beautiful woman in India currently..Damn this nepotism
which is ruining the film industry.. Where does Anurag Kashyap disappear when we truly need him??
Only some couples looked good. Madhuri Nene, Raveena and her betterhalf. Sridevi and Boney looked so strange, one looking radiant and the other looking extremely dull. Juhi looked faded and her husband looked too oily.
Yash Chopra’s artistic decline started when he parted ways with his brother. Though quite successful, his films is all about superficiality than substance. He started to depend on starpower to push his films.
@ Sanjana: But still, though he worked with superstars like Rajesh Khanna and Amitabh Bachchan,he did ensure that story/direction, music, were not pushed
to the backburner. It was a case of the writers and actors complementing and shining the film further. He faltered in the ’80s again with films like Vijay and Faasle
but except for an aging DILIP KUMAR in MASHAAL, noone else was a humongous star. Interestingly, the only film where he tried to go back to his roots but with an
experimental vigor was LAMHE. But Anil Kapoor hit high only after TEZAAB and RAM LAKHAN. YC again arguably created and
complemented a super-star only with SRK. After DARR, he has only worked with SRK. Films like DTPH and VZ were bad to average films but still made a lot of
money. It also proved that SRK-YC could not go wrong financially at least. In this equation, SRK was the one who benefitted the most since one began to get the
feeling that SRK’s presence is important to bolster a YC film. With RAHUL/RAJ persona-association of SRK with YC a success, though people whined a bit about quality of
films compared to YC’s work with AB and others, I think audience did start feeling that SRK’s presence can be the strong link that can make a weak product work – at
least WRT YC-SRK combination.Hence I felt that as SRK (along with music of course) started becoming more and more important for YC atmospherics,YC’s quality w.r.t.
his films went down..
“Because, it seems to me that Yash Chopra’s fall in standards (compared from his DEEWAR days to his DILDO pagal hain days)”
Am I in the correct blog??? Is it Satyamshot??
Yes you are..because I am talking about ‘artistic’ achievements/progressions..not moolah achievements..
Yes i agree…
ur statement displays ‘artistic’ achievements/progressions of this blog….
Thanks a bunch.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan First Day Business
Wednesday 14th November 2012 10.30 IST
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The first day collections of Jab Tak Hai Jaan are in the 12.50-12.75 crore nett range as per early estimates. The collections were hit hard from 1 pm onwards due to Diwali Puja but circuits like West Bengal and Mysore came up with fantastic collections both comfortably crossing the 1 crore nett mark.
The collections are short of the figures recorded by Ra.One last year which is due to the clash with Son Of Sardaar.
The business of the film in single screens was much weaker than multiplexes as the opening was not that strong in single screens especially mass pockets. Jab Tak Hai Jaan will show a big jump in business today though again the clash will ensure business does not go towards record territory.
this is quite low, i was expecting around 15 cr min.
Well this way Joginder might prove correct that 100 might be tough or just abt. Shocking.
Various figures are floating around for JTHJ some of which are even higher than BOI’s early estimation of 12.50-12.75 crore. But i will always prefer BOI figures…..
So its about 12.5 cr for JTHJ and 8.5 cr for SOS.
I think the whole fracas about screens has clearly hurt SOS as its bread and butter was going to be single screens here. And it was a rather foolish deal as it really has not benefited JTHJ, as reflected by most reports that single screen business is hardly that great.
Really a silly move…as the move to strike a deal has not benefited one film immensely, but has been destructive to another. The smarter move would have been to tie in the multiplexes where the business of JTHJ would have reaped the benefits. This has acted as a “stop” in business for a movie like SOS that could have blossomed in these chains.
And accounting for the dirty tactics, it could quite easily have been both films being in the 10-12 crore range. Even so, JTHJ has a screen advantage and better screens anyway!
So the SRK-Katrina-YRF-Rahman-Chopra’s death etc combo is hardly earth shattering in battering SOS which by all means is a frequently seen type of venture nowadays!
Expected a lot more!!!
agreed on all counts..
what could have been a fantastic point is that SOS being a good film….but it seems both the films are crap….otherwise SOS would have been going full houses and the exhibitors would have been forced to make more space for it….but that doesn’t seem to be the case now….it would have been quite a clash if JTHJ and Talaash released on the same day….
Son Of Sardaar First Day Business
Wednesday 14th November 2012 11.30 IST
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Son Of Sardaar collected around 8.50 crore nett on day one as per early estimates. Again like Jab Tak Hai Jaan the film was hit by Diwali Puja, actually it was affected more by Diwali Puja as its best business was in circuits that are hit hard by Diwali festivities like East Punjab, CI and Rajasthan.
The clash with Jab Tak Hai Jaan also hurt the film especially UP where the lack of good single screens meant business remained behind Jab Tak Hai Jaan when it should have been going by trends in MP where the release was balanced and Son Of Sardaar came out of head.
The film will show a huge jump today but again the clash will mean business is held back to a certain extent.
the “experts” are predicting a huge jump today…lets see what happens. so far looks like JTHJ and SOS are both crap films.
taran adarsh @taran_adarsh
As per *early trends* #JTHJ is ahead of #SOS in India. But, both #JTHJ and #SOS are *winners* at the BO.
why do these box office experts feel the need to cheer lead instead of just reporting the damn facts. how can you call both films “winners” from day one…were the budgets of these films below 10cr or what??
Territory Winners: Jab Tak Hai Jaan V Son Of Sardar
Wednesday 14th November 2012 13.00 IST
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The territory winners on day one in the clash between Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Son Of Sardaar are as follows. Jab Tak Hai Jaan leads by big margins in Mumbai, Delhi/UP, West Bengal, Nizam/Andhra, Mysore and TNK but Son Of Sardaar has come out ahead in some circuits despite being screened on the lower grossing single screens. Bihar where it got a big release, it has scored over Jab Tak Hain Jaan by a margin.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan
Jab Tak Hai Jaan
(Son Of Sardaar hurt badly with a poor chain of single screens in Delhi city and UP)
That Katrina was so ‘sheltered and unaware’ of the life of rich university students is being superficially commented upon as the gravest of flaws.
Followed by a criticism of Katrina being sleazy (because she unzipped her boots – I can’t get over this hilarious bit, and have been caught chuckling to myself by unsuspecting people around me LOL)
There are perhaps other examples of such sleaziness.
Putting these two together my conclusion is that Katrina’s initiation hadn’t been done yet, which I guess ALL need – sort of a starting point. Some may get into it on the very first day and some may take time – which finally Katrina seems to have done with the HELP of SRK.
I don’t see the problem here. Didn’t she ultimately become like what is expected of her (by some)?
OG- I’m very happy that I could provide some laughter in your life, which otherwise seems to be filled only with hatred for Aamir and paranoia about grand, non-existent anti-SRK conspiracies.
Do you just choose to wilfully mis-interpret whatever I say to fuel your fanaticism? I was describing a sleazy scene, of which the boots were only a small part. If you would actually bother to read what I write, instead of rabidly attacking me just because I have dared to criticize your idol, you might understand what my problem was. And pretending that you thought I said Anushka’s dialouges is a laughably transparent trick- especially since they were clearly encased in quotation marks AND I had indicated that they were a sample of her dialouges.
In any case, I do not wish to keep indulging a fanatic, so feel free to keep nitpicking and distorting my comments- except that you will only be talking to yourself, since I am not going to respond any further.
>your life, which otherwise seems to be filled only with hatred for Aamir and paranoia about grand, non-existent anti-SRK conspiracies.
>In any case, I do not wish to keep indulging a fanatic,
Why? Oh why , do people who have no ground to stand on with their superficial views of films of stars they dislike, get so abusive?
I’m happy for you that you have a very valuable, and meaningful life, filled with fun and pleasure. May you long live to savour it, and continue to supply the hungry denizens of this blog with your in depth reviews of SRK films.
I’m sorry that the trend you wanted to start of mockery and jokes about the film didn’t exactly take off except by the usual suspects.
where is ur review? U have to watch it, dont be dissuaded because of Ami and Utkal’s review.
I am sure u will have a nice take on the movie, and i will sure like to know them.
Diwali Puja Witnesses Record Collections
Wednesday 14th November 2012 11.30 IST
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This Diwali has seen record collections with a 21 crore nett approx combined total by Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Son Of Sardaar. Diwali day is always weak for business but has jumped 45% from last year when Ra.One collected 14.50 crore nett.
If one film had come alone it had the potential to take the whole amount or at least close to it. The totals for the last few Diwali days has been as follows.
(Golmaal Returns, Action Replayy)
TOTAL – 11 crore
TOTAL – 14.5 crore (+32%)
(Jab Tak Hai Jaan, Son Of Sardaar)
TOTAL – 21 crore (+ 45%)
I think BOI should decide what their story on Diwali and Laxmi Puja is! First they say every year that it’s a weak day for the box office thereby justifying any and every collection. Now they’re saying the numbers have jumped 45% in just one year on that ‘weak’ day! In other words if one film had done that 21 crores (of course it doesn’t quite work that way.. JTHJ has no real single screen appeal, so people wouldn’t exactly be flocking to it in the absence of SOS!) it would have been one of the highest openers around, at least in BG, Agneepath range. But wasn’t this supposed to be impossible given the hit films took on Diwali day 1?! Unless JTHJ was going to open to 30 crores or whatever (obviously not possible given single screen weakness) it would have the best possible opening day given BOI’s numbers! Guess a lot of people would have missed the puja! and now they’re saying Ra One was itself up 32% on the previous year!
I don’t think they are contradicting themselves. It does say;
>Diwali day is always weak for business
I think what it means is …”in spite of”…there has been an increase in the last few years.
I would say this increase is due to increase in population and screens.
My belief has always been that diwali is not a good time for release of a film as other festivals.
Depending upon the community;
Christmas is best – with a holiday on hand and a vast majority not celebrating it
Eid is second for the same reasons, while Diwali has a large majority spending time at home with family.
Actually there is very much a contradiction because I don’t otherwise see how you could have a one day total of 21 crores when 99.9% of films don’t get to such numbers on opening day in any circumstance!
On the rest for at least 60 or more years of India’s post-Independence history no one really thought the Diwali period was a problem in any sense. No one ever talked about the Laxmi Puja being an issue even through the 90s and beyond. It’s only in recent years when some of these day 1 numbers were not quite what they were expected to be that these explanations were pulled out of thin air. Why didn’t anyone talk about Laxmi Puja when KKHH was releasing? No such excuses were offered even though BMCM released at the same time and actually had a bigger week 1. These explanations are borne out of weakness. When your film is doing superlatively and there are no issues no one focuses on this other stuff. Now of course the BMCM competition hurt KKHH but the point is that they still weren’t making these excuses then!
Now I’m not at all saying JTHJ won’t do well. It might well do a lot but the point is that these explanations come about for a reason. And it’s basically the stuff that drives fans or partisans in the online universe as well. If you have a day 1 number for a big SRK film that doesn’t seem to match the highest benchmarks you either have to concede that SRK isn’t one of the top stars or you have to attack the numbers. Needless to say the partisans do the latter! As recently as OSO no one talked about the Laxmi Puja stuff. However they did a year earlier when Don released. It’s obvious what’s going on.
I don’t think anyone is saying that Diwali period is a problem. It’s just not as lucrative as other festival holidays.
For years films have been released on Diwali, agree, but the importance of front loading has only just risen in the past years.
Earlier they could wait for another day for the BO to pick up.
When OSO released it broke the opening weekend record that to against a decent formidable opener in Saawariya – multiple films in the past have done the same!
The crux is the openings related to Don, Don2, MNIK and now JTHJ are nowhere near the scale created for recent Salman/Aamir films. Ra.One is the only one that opened big (well on the 2nd day) and that film had unprecedented amount spent on marketing – a 1 year build-up of sorts.
Diwali if not the best day in the year can at least be the 3rd best day after Xmas, Eid. A normal Friday release is a working day, far less appealing than Diwali.
Otherwise ask the simple question? Why release on Diwali if it is not lucrative? Why tie in single screens and make big statements in the past like “Diwali is mine” etc. Why release ON Diwali? Why not on the next day i.e. today? In simple words why knowingly “handicap” your film on a day which is perceived as disadvantageous?
Clearly the big films ALWAYS are vying for the date yearly! It’s not those insipidly boring weeks when 3 bite sized small films are releasing with NO hype!
There is no logic in suggesting it is a “poor” day or weak day for business. The hypothesis is : IF it is, WHY release on the day?
I personaly believe if one goes to watch a movie on Diwali day.. He or she needs to get a life… Diwali is for pooja family nd crackers… Not for movies
Yes, that’s what I’m saying. Diwali is not the best. 3rd, 4th whatever, but not first.
…and talking about the things which make it 3rd, and thus a hidrance is what you seem to be objecting to.
I guess there was falsehood over kajol… she attended. Thank God Some sanity, and i retake my above comment, which was based on a different link, but i feel Hindustan Times is more sensible news papers
t was a fitting tribute to Bollywood’s king of romance. The premiere of late filmmaker Yash Chopra’s last directorial film, Jab Tak Hai Jaan, at Yash Raj Studios, was as grand as it gets.
Bollywood’s biggest names, among them his friends, family and all the actresses who have played his
Kajol, however, made a sly entry, avoiding the media and coming in using the back entrance, accompanied by the eternally shutter-shy Aditya Chopra.
I don’t know, Rooney. Kajol’s sister (Tanisha, I think) had tweeted earlier that Kajol wasn’t invited, and after this article appeared, tweeted again, asking did they clone Kajol to have her attend? So there’s still some confusion.
There was confusion about whether Salman attended, too, because there were no photos of him at the premiere. But Taran Adarsh and Komal Nahta responded on twitter to enquiries from fans saying yes, he was there, and then Amitabh Bachchan tweeted about spending time with Salman, Aamir, & SRK at the premiere, so it was confirmed. Then a photo of him taken by Hard Kaur at the premiere surfaced, so finally all doubts were put at rest.
So far there is no similar confirmation about Kajol attending, except for this HT article, and we do have a flat denial from Tanisha.
Lightening does strike the same point twice:
Irony is a b****. To be struck by a car while on a motorcycle is one thing. But to be struck by a car twice is plain foolishness. Major Samar Anand is a poster boy for road safety. First, he gets hit by a car while showing off his biking skills to his new girlfriend. The second time he gets hit again by a car while waiting for Discovery Channel reporter Akira (Anushka Sharma). Look while you are crossing the road.
Rapidex English just goes out of business:
Everything is possible in cinema. If you set your mind to learning perfect English, you can learn it despite thousands of distractions in the form of a very pretty Katrina Kaif. Shah Rukh, who goes by using Pidgin English in London, morphs into a suave, smooth-talking gentleman with a bit of a nudge from the woman he loves. She in return aces a difficult Punjabi song with guitar chords and all, taught by Shah Rukh.
Who needs a bomb suit?:
There are bombs waiting to defused, literally everywhere and every day. Major Samar Anand, an officer with the army’s bomb disposal unit, takes on one IED after another with his bare hands. Armed with just a clipper, Anand refuses a bomb suit every time his services are called for. Is it practical? Of course not. But that’s what you do when you flirt with death – basically be stupid – without a care for your loved ones.
There are easier and less expensive ways to die, you know?
After being rejected by his lady love because of a promise she made to god, Samar Anand dives headfirst into a life of danger. He joins the Indian army’s bomb disposal unit and defuses live ammunition for a living as a counter-vow to Katrina to risk his life every day. It does seem a very roundabout way to die, no? Jumping off a building or an overdose of pills would have been quicker. But who are we to get in the way of a death drawn out over several years?
Keep your chatty friends away when you are defusing bombs:
Anushka Sharma is a chatty, aspiring reporter for the Discovery channel with a penchant for finding trouble. Trussed to a rope and hanging under a bridge to film Shah Rukh Khan at work, she happily chats away without the slightest worry that she might be actually distracting him from what is clearly a highly dangerous job.
The army’s only purpose is to play football with its guests:
Our jawans are in fact so bored of their monotonous lives that they are willing to wait on hand and foot for the world’s most ditzy reporter. They cook for her and dance with her and hurl beer bottles around while she twists them around her little finger.
Come again, a promise made to…whom?
So Meera, who is a habitual trader with God, promises to give up Samar if Jesus would spare his life and keep him alive. It’s the silliest thing we have heard in a long time. Who gives up a man she loves because she thinks that her being with him will be a danger to his life? What happened to fighting for someone if you love them?
If you must have an affliction, go for retrograde amnesia. It is the most convenient illness known to Indian doctors to get the hero out of a sticky spot. He can’t remember a thing from the past and finds it difficult to adjust to the present. But the condition is temporary and he will make a full recovery over time (read: after the plot twists are sorted).
British police…dude, don’t let a stranger saunter into a cordoned-off
The British police allows a stranger who looks disoriented and can actually be the one to plant it, tackle live ammunition because ‘he looks like he knows what he’s talking about!’ Are you kidding me?
You are still single because you read other people’s diaries
Never, ever read someone’s personal diary – children are taught this at age 5. Either Akira Rai’s parents left that bit of education out or she defied her upbringing anyway. It’s rude not only to read someone’s diary but to quiz him on that afterwards, which she does. If she wonders why she’s still single, it’s because she does not respect people’s private spaces.
mksrooney: you could add a couple more, supplied by one from our group of eleven ( since I was too mind-numbed to think):
1. If you want to do maximum damage to your enemy, plant bombs in deserted heights of Ladakh where the population density is about 1 for 10 sq kms.
2. If you want to leave your child and run away with your lover, don’t do it when she is 4 or 5 or 6, wait till she is twelve, the perfect age for abandonment. ( It will entail buying a little less number of birthday dresses to stuff in yoir wardrobe.)
utkal, btw those were not my comments, its from ibnlive. I have taken ur review and ami’s review and stayed away.
So JHTJ is a comedy afterall! Not a heavy duty tearjerker from emotional Yashji.
Somebody said while anushka screeches, Katrina preaches.
..and the srk hater b**ches.
ok guys let’s all take it easy.. Let’s not have endless comments bashing a star or what have you when there’s nothing substantive about them (the comments).
Utkal uncle -I will read your comments only after watching the film
But since that your sexpert area, what’s your comment on Katrina and anushka here–their performances & ‘appeal’ in jthj
And in comparison with Diana /dips in cocktail
Ps: I still remember your long (no pun intended!) illustrated embedded works of links comment on cocktail!
Seems finally age is catching up with ya :-)
In the middle of something –will reply later–
It’s just amusing how it takes a lifetime of effort , sweat n labour to create a career of the likes of srk, yash chopra etc
It takes just a guided/misguided cohort of a few to deconstruct everything by declaring that everything was just a facade!
If lasting success was so easy, everyone would have been roaming around with such low hanging ‘fruits’..
& let’s not gang up against poor Oldgold here –she makes some valid points in her viewpoint and she can’t be denied her say ..
Read couple of comments —
About ddlj being a mistake –most film makers die dreaming of half successful mistakes like this –one not like ddlj bu one needs to accept and respect re success it is .
About someone’s career being nipped in the bud or something of that order -perhaps srks !–why is that important ?
Why is it so necessary to ensure a guy who lost his parents in teens, made it on his own, apparently from a minority community; learn the tricks and how to play the system and succeeded!
Why do folks have an issue with this FACT & why do they need to deny it 100 times a day–te only thing they are denying is their own touch with reality !
If a hero is fading nearing 50–is to really ‘fading’ or an index of the longevity of success!
Finally as most know here –I’m NOT an srk fan !
But time to time one needs to put up a stand when a whole truckload of blindfolded faithfuls sometimes are taken in by an efficient ‘spin’ ! :-)
“But time to time one needs to put up a stand when a whole truckload of blindfolded faithfuls sometimes are taken in by an efficient ‘spin’ ”
Yes, well done on being so terribly heroic and defending a poor, defenceless superstar who gets paid crores of rupees to romance beautiful women. The world needs more people like you who fight with such bravery for what they believe in. :-P
However, if you could stop being so self-congratulatory for a minute, you would realize that Q’s nipped in the bud comment was actually a joke, and that none of us are invovled in this imaginary conspiracy to malign SRK and Adi. :-P
Anyway- I used to dislike SRK, but your incredibly compassionate speech has moved me and I now realize how heartless I was to write mocking comments about him that he will never read, and that will never affect him in anyway. It must be so devastatingly difficult for him to be a muslim minority in an industry ruled by the trinity of the three Khans, and of course we must pity the poor boy for not growing up in a palace- never mind that he was born into a middle-class family, and had a good college education, which are fortunes that only granted to a tiny fraction of India’s population.
Ami, thats fantastic write up. We must all open a NGO to help poor SRK and his fans will contribute generously. Having said that I dont care what was he when he was nothing and I know what he has become now. Compare him with many of those from filmi families and see how they behave and how they conduct themselves.
RE: “Why is it so necessary to ensure a guy who lost his parents in teens, made it on his own, apparently from a minority community; learn the tricks and how to play the system and succeeded!”
What is the relevance of the fact that he’s a minority — Bollywood is anyway pretty hospitable terrain for Muslims. And while it’s sad he lost his parents, how is that relevant either?
There is this game known as pick the odd one out.
Out of this 3 films most will agree DDLJ is the odd one out. Hence it can be called fluke by most logical people.
“Why is it so necessary to ensure a guy who lost his parents in teens, made it on his own, apparently from a minority community; learn the tricks and how to play the system and succeeded!”
1) what is success ? making ra.one? getting box office ? or making memorable films ? ( everything is subjective )
2) why do u bring religion?
3) why does it matter if he lost his parents, in his cinematic achievements ?
You remind me of peter keatings of the world.
“It’s just amusing how it takes a lifetime of effort , sweat n labour to create a career of the likes of srk, yash chopra etc
It takes just a guided/misguided cohort of a few to deconstruct everything by declaring that everything was just a facade!”
a) What is there so special in YC career after 90’s ?
b) whether he can be called as a filmamker of 00’s and 10’s ?
c) Whether he made Swades/Lagaan ? DCH ? RDB ? Munna
bhai ? etc kind of generation defining movie in last two eras.
Alex mind you every one sweats and puts their labour, how do u differentiate Ajay Devgn labour and sweat from SRK, or say Akshay Kumar ?
I tell u it doesnt matter in football or any game or industry how much u worked hard, what matters is how u affected the industry as a whole.
May be from ur prism DTPH, KKHH, VZ were classics but for people of this generation DCH, Rock On, 3 idiots, Cocktail or Rock star or Jab we Met … defines them… and as a person of this generation, i believe there are far more better director and actors out there, dont insult those other people who worked hard like Raj Kumar Hirani, Ashutosh Gowarikar, Imtiaz Ali, and many more who defines today and this moment.
Quality of films of YRF and YC and SRK hasnt been upto the mark, if it was, it would have been a different story.
AA95: Why is it so necessary to ensure a guy who lost his parents in teens, made it on his own, apparently from a minority community; learn the tricks and how to play the system and succeeded!
Why do folks have an issue with this FACT & why do they need to deny it ?”
No one denies that. and no one has issues with that.
What one has issues with is that why some one with so much talent and so much power has to be associated with drivel like Ra One, Billu and Jab Tak Hai Jaan?
Abroad, when Leonardo Di DiCaprio has a Titanic under his belt he greenlights an ‘ Inception’ a ‘ Shutterisland’ . Closer home, after Ghajini , aamir signs a 3 Idiots and after 3 Idiots supports a Talaash. A Ranbir Kapoor signs a ‘ Rockstara’ a ‘ Barfi’ and a ‘ Bombay Velvet’ .
I could understand if he was doing films with Aziz Mirza who gave him shelter when he came to Mumbai, but he does not do that.
I have full sympathy for his childhood suffering, but none for the company he keeps today.
‘But since that your sexpert area, what’s your comment on Katrina and anushka here–their performances & ‘appeal’ in jthj.’
AA95: Sex between humans interests me, not sex between lifeless mannequins.
So honestly, the characters were so plastic, the sex scenes left me totally cold.
Anouska’s performance was good. But no, she was not sexy, in the way Diana or Nargis were. She was too much in your face. If you want to kill a woman’s sex appeal, let the camera linger on her derriere and cleavage , without building any kind of mood or context.. I am sure Yash Chopra knew it and he never resorted to it. But Aditya who ghost-directed the film certainly doesn’t.
The only sexy moment in the film was Katrin dancing to Ishq Shava, but an ageing and unsexy Sharukh spoilt it in good measure.
Apparently, they used body doubles for the dancing according to one of the extras. This white guy has been in a lot of BW movies.
Steven Baker @bollywoodgora
#JabTakHaiJaan fans, did you know there’s one dance sequence in the film shot by stunt doubles dressed as @iamsrk & Katrina Kaif
yash chopra of 70’s and 80’s was a legend, and no one will argue against a Deewar or Trishul… great director.. for those times… but now if u say today and presetn i disagree. But still a Legend for those epic work.
“none for the company he keeps today.”
Good point to make
The same company gave srk the biggest hits of his and Bollywoods history
Sometimes these associations linger on–
It takes a big jolt /failure to break these longstanding bond based on so much success!
Fortunately or unfortunately neither vz nor rnbdj were such ‘failures’ –otoh they were successes –so no reason to break this alliance
Guess everyone can’t wait for jaadugar or gjs like failures to break it with Mehra / desai
Were bachxhans choices good at / after that stage ?
Will reply to these later on-in d middle of some work
But Thanx for those points
There is NO comparison of srk of from we’re srk came from as an orphan /outsider –comparing them to the ‘struggles’ of the likes of Salman, aamir, even Ajay somewhat isn’t even valid–
Akshay maybe yes …
Catch ya later- need 2 buzz off & drive real fast now
lol drive safe.
Alex, we’ve been over this before but it’s completely irrelevant. Tolstoy isn’t lesser as a novelist because he was a Count and many contemporaries of his are not greater because they struggled through. It’s completely fallacious to mix up these issues. Wherever SRK came from (and his struggle has actually been exaggerated in some ways.. he was a star on TV which is how he got into films and it is not my understanding that he got into TV completely without using influence) is completely irrelevant to how he’s done as actor or star. The audience wasn’t watching him more because they sympathized with his bio relative to that of other stars! Hrithik Roshan arrived in a blaze of glory. Presumably the audience did not hold his connections against him?! At a human level it certainly displays a specific set of qualities to be able to do more without the advantage of greater influence but in the final analysis when we compare stars and their legacies or their respective bodies of work we throw this stuff out of the window. It is completely irrelevant. But also there’s something fundamentally insincere about invoking this angle only for one star. One should then look at the entire history of Bombay cinema and grade stars according to how they might or might not have been helped with family connections and so on. when Raj Kapoor’s work is celebrated the world over no one particularly cares who he was related to (it’s a different matter that he did start from scratch.. though of course Prithviraj’s son starting from scratch is hardly the same as anyone else doing the same!) and how he got to where he did.
All of this reflects a rather bourgeois prejudice in these matters where somehow ‘doing it on your own’ means more than anything else. First of all there’s a blind spot even in this belief because one should also consider the larger institutional frameworks that allow us to prosper in life. So assuming a certain background and certain social privileges one can do things on one’s own where the same would not be possible for someone in a completely different position. Leaving this aside this belief has a very ‘recent’ history. Once upon a time in England people who had to actually work to pay their bills were considered to be of inferior social status. The true measure of ‘class’ was then not having to work for one’s station in life. I don’t automatically consider one of these perspectives better than the other. Each has its issues. But we live in the bourgeois moment where one of these seems more natural to our ways of thinking while the other comes across as repulsive.
But even ignoring all of this one cannot apply such an explanation only in one instance or the other. It’s like the box office argument. You either look at competition or you don’t. You either look at some other factors or you don’t. You don’t engage in all of this only to explain certain kinds of success or explain away certain kinds of failure.
The same goes for longevity by the way (and I had a comment on this sometime back). There are lots of perhaps important human qualities revealed when one displays a certain longevity but this does not automatically mean that one has produced work of great quality. Otherwise we would have to consider Jeetendra one of Bollywood’s finest stars! Because one can survive even as a mediocrity for all sorts of reasons. One can even do so very prosperously. We don’t ask how long Guru dutt made films when we judge the quality of his work. No one, at least this side of sanity, would judge Yash Chopra to be greater than Guru Dutt just because he last for so many decades and Guru didn’t last a fourth of that period!
Same old, tired arguments from certain sources. Just ignore those, Satyam.
I don’t know if one can compare the travails of getting into the Bollywood world and achieving something to that of writin, which has it’s own problems, like finding a publisher. (the first step). It’s after this first step that ones quality comes into action.
but in the final analysis when we compare stars and their legacies or their respective bodies of work we throw this stuff out of the window.
You have praised Barack Obama for becoming president from where he came from.You are talking double standards,Dont delete my comments.I will report you to the democratoc party.
This is for satyam.
Background always should be considered.Just like you praised an underprivilaged Barack Obama against privilaged candidates.So you cant make a counter argument.Someone Like Akshay making it big is totally different from someone like salman making it big with influence in the film Industry.
Salman would have been a goner for the flops in the 2000s.
And there is Abhishek Bachcnan who is giving flops and still in the film Industry.
Again you’re missing the point. It might be creditable at a human level to be able to achieve success without these crutches. However that means nothing when it comes to box office performance or acting credentials. Prestige directors making interesting films won’t cast Akshay for these biographical reasons! Nor will the audience show up more for his films (versus Salman’s) for that reason. That’s the whole point here. Much as Indira Gandhi had a powerful genealogical calling card but then she still was a very successful politician on her own. No one says ‘let’s give Morarji Desai more credit or call him greater because he did it on his own’!
Agree with Satyam
But must add
Akshay deserves credit for the numbe of films ie sheer volume
Also hes a self made star -no backing
Plus he has been uncontroversial, just believes in working hard, staying fit & usually no mischief (except with shetty, Priyanka, raveena)
Nowadays he has been a saintly person. With omg :-)
Like him- a simple uncomplicated hard working guy Akshay
Actually my point is exactly the same with Obama as well! The dramatic nature of Obama’s politics or his meteoric rise isn’t about how he spent his childhood. That’s an ‘interesting’ background within the context of American politics but Bill Clinton had a pretty tough life growing up too (single mother, economically challenged and so on). The crucial point with Obama is how quickly he went from political obscurity to the presidency. Had he like Clinton spent years being a governor (or in his case a Senator) that would be a different thing. He would still be a historic candidate but that’s a different debate.
Beyond this once he ‘does’ become president he is still judged by the same historic standards. What kinds of policies he supported, what bits of legislation he got through and so forth.
Obama was state senator for more than a decade.So there is nothing obscure about him.But he was not the son of a former president or his father is not a politician.Thats the difference.Akshay making it big is not the same as salman making it big.And if you think that Abhishek Bachchan’s single digit flops are prestige films,then I wont argue with you.No star wants his BO.Akshay has outperformed everyone.Khiladi 786 will gross more than 165 cr easily or even more than 180cr.And his special 26 will gross more than 205cr.
He has 3 superhits in a year twice that no star ever had in Hindi film history.You will understand soon.
He was one for 7 years. And yeah thousands and thousands of state senators in the country are so well known!
On the rest hope to catch you ‘in’ reality some day..
Of what use is your power if it does not give you freedom? How are you a superstar if you cannot break a successful partnership and work with the likes of Shankar, Hirani, Gowarikar or Kashyap? Actually it is even worse, because it is a combination of arrogance with stupidity. Or else does anyone do Ra One with Anubhav Sinha instead of robot with Shankar?
There were rumours of working with Kashyap, Hirani, Bharadwaj, but all of them dont fulfill.
But when YC decides to make a film, one cant agree without reading the script or anything.
This is what is something akin to corporate social responsibility, similiarly a superstar owes a responsibility to the nation, audience, and himself and his profession
1) to work with better scripts
2) to bring social awareness with some films
3) to make movies with different horizons and push the envelop.
4) to make movies with a message.
But i guess failure of
struck hard on this Superstar… rather than he shud have worked better on the script.
I also feel how can someone make promises to audience that Ra.one is a film made for kids and entertainer and is my dream project and make such a crap film ( i still didnt mind it that much, but on repeat viewings it has degraded for me )
My cousins went for JTHJ in fun republic lukhnow.. Shows are booked full for next two days… SOS tickets were available fot 11:45pm show of today
That’s expected in a multiplex..
Satyam, good to see that after quite some days u are ‘active’ on ur own blog. I seriously thought u weren’t keeping well or something
I’m ok Saurabh.. just busy with some stuff.. thanks..
satyam is busy watching jab tak hain jaan,he got the tickets fairly quickly,guesss it means film mein kooch dam nahi..never mind my recommendation is …watch SOS atleast it will make some sence…”only joking”please srk fans do not get offensive…its a joke.
Shaurya sir, I myself saw it in Wave yesterday. It was running housefull there as well
where is your review?
1) i guess he saw Son of Sardar yesterday
2) thus when he visited for SOS , he saw Box Office counter or sale of tickets of both movies.
3) Thus when he says i saw, he means he saw BO counter.
4) i guess he went to saw JTHJ but didnt got ticket and saw SOS.
This is my theory from reading his comments in entirety.
point 4 may be wrong.
Thats called a lawyer’s way of seeing things and deducing facts.
So SOS has a good chance of touching 100 crores (btw lest we forget its budget is markedly less than that of JTHJ). And if it does Devgn will be the only other guy apart from Salman to have four 100 crore grossers (G3, Singham, BB and SOS- ). Not a mean feat for a guy who was never even amongst the top league of stars in the 90s and most of the last decade. And with Himmatwala arriving next year and Singham 2 in 2014 he should definitely add on to that list.
LOL… i was just reading sherlock holmes again and also jack reacher this days… :D
Having said that apart from Singham all those hits are meaningless (just like Salman films. And he also had had two disasters in between in the form of Rascals and Tezz). throughout the last decade and till Rajneeti and Aakrosh Devgn always did prestige films with important directors (Satyagraha will be one such film). But since the debacle of Aakrosh he has gone commercial with a vengeance. And i can’t blame him completely for this since he has tasted this kind of success after abt 20 yrs in the business.
Ajay films are barely touching 100 whilst Salman films are hitting a century in a week. Big big difference. oh and Salman films are all SOLO.
Plus Dabangg 2 will again raise the stakes (unless things go horribly wrong)
But i was never making any direct comparison between the total gross of the films of the 2 stars.
Naveed, the problem with insisting only on the gross (goes without saying Salman is doing incredibly on this front at the moment) is that you also have to concede the other side of this argument which is that when he was nowhere in the game he was nobody as a star. In other words there were so many years of his career, in fact pretty much the entire last decade before Dabanng, where he never had anything remotely like a top grosser and was lucky to have a top five maybe once (Partner). The argument then could be made using purely the gross criteria that he wasn’t even in the top 5 since there were at least that many stars doing better than him. This isn’t just for you but for fans of some other stars as well who’ve unfortunately all resorted to the SRK game of saying ‘gross is all there is to the discussion and nothing else matters’. Well the problem then is that that since stars have both kinds of seasons in their career one then has to accept that the star is nothing in the other scenario. Which of course no true fan ever wants to admit. In fact the gap is often filled by the fan imagining that his or her favorite star has always been on or near the top or if he hasn’t there are completely rational reasons for this. In other words the ‘essence’ of the stardom is never questioned when it comes to one’s favorite. Except when the shoe is on the other foot and then it’s ‘only’ about who got 100 crores or whatever!
And again no one could possible argue at this point that Devgan is where Salman is. The latter is just going through an extraordinary phase. However these debates don’t just begin and end with what Salman has been doing since Dabanng! It’s a pretty recent chunk of history. I have myself argued that Salman reinvented himself with Dabanng and so on but I tend to resist positions that are absolutist. As if nothing else matters at all.
From reports, SRK was offered deals like the first Munnabhai, Robot, 3 Idiots and Talaash, but he turned them down and remained confined to the Yashraj and Dharma movies. Bad choices. He seems to have gone quite stale now.
in reply to the above multiple queries/ enlightening comments over srks status and the (lack of) anything really special etc etc
Simple words–Dont wish others to agree with me
Will elaborate later when time permits
but to me–
after bachchan, srk has been the single most successful lead hero in bollywood and maybe indian film industry !!!
All things considered …
no ifs no buts
two/three years of salman wave and the ‘me-too’ guys witnessing a resurgence instead of midlife crisis like ajay, akshay dont even come close in the overall scheme of things.
Mastering /matching something towards the END of a term doesnt make one comparable to someone owning u for the entire course …Bad memory is convenient but invalid.
The ONLY hero atleast comparable in the overall success, impact and discretion (and tkaing into account directorial, production abilities) is Aamir Khan
It is a tough call between the two
but on the basis of the evidence placed so far—i consider SRK slightly ahead
This is NOT the current valuation but the cumulative one and taking into accoung all factors
Others are NOT expected to agree- so relax folks
As forthe extent of ‘struggle”and the level of ‘achievement’ and the ‘distance covered” –rate SRK above others as well…
There are other aspects where aamir, now even salman score –but im commenting on these criteria above
I have my criteria, reasons and im not a srk fan !!
Where bias ends and reason starts
Where reason ends and quirks start–the interface of reason, fantasy, quirks, commerce, rationality hahaha
any problems anyone –lemme know and i will sort out u (and your problems together!!) –when time permits though :-)
“but to me–
after bachchan, srk has been the single most successful lead hero in bollywood and maybe indian film industry !!!”
for me the sun rises in the West…
“for me the sun rises in the West..”
Right said Fred –u need to correct that Ha
After bachxhan –meant in the ‘chronological’ order –this doesn’t include heros before bachxhan like Khanna & other oldies …
So who do u think was /is the most successful biggest star in the post Bacchan era ..
The ONLY one who is even worth discussion s aamir
It’s not a bad choice and someone I like as well
Infact aamir is clearly ahead in variety /discretion/directorial abilities
But when push comes to shove, in the final assessment, there are some issues with aamirs stardom, frequency of films & reach in a cumulative basis that allows srk to be still ahead
This is NOT the current rating wherein Salman the banjaara tiger rules (even the ‘2 weeks after Diwali ‘ aamir!)
@ Satyam– so who do u think is the most successful /biggest star in the post bachchan era–hope not abhishrek? Lol
Also Satyam–What are your box office predictions for
Jthj & SOS
I’ve noted that after the landmark debates now named by me as
‘Barfi100′ & ‘ETT200′ u seem to be refraining from any predictions now
C’mon give us a figure -first week , lifetime
aa is an avid follower of great entertainment media and film journalism greats like taran adarsh and those nice folks at filmfare.
jus checked out prof tran adarsh—
One can’t imagine anyone else but Shah Rukh in the role of Samar. An individual with an emotional baggage. Although Shah Rukh has been an integral part of several romantic movies, he enacts it resplendently in JAB TAK HAI JAAN, brushing off any condemnation that he may have encountered for replicating himself in movies of parallel genre. The role gives the actor abundant opportunity to exhibit his talent and I must add, Shah Rukh transforms himself into the complex character with dexterity.
Katrina is the classic Yash Chopra heroine. An enigmatic beauty, who doubles up as a seductress [watch her in the ‘Saans’ track or the music piece]. She looks ethereal and enacts her part with elegance and restraint. As a matter of fact, she glides into her part with effortlessness and acts out some of the difficult moments with flourish. In view of the fact that a major portion of the story focuses on SRK and Katrina, one might assume that Anushka’s role is more of a supporting one, but that’s entirely fallacious. She’s an integral part of this story and it must be said that she walks away with some of the best scenes and lines in the movie. Her performance is full of grit.
ps–will be chekcing out jthj this weekend –only then will make my mind–dont care about most commenters—they are seeped in biases and agenda of all varieties
like tran adarsh above
btw as per nahata this is an ‘event’ in the history of bollywood–oh yeah…
see above comment
Yeah People (like me) can get confused -but for that one has to ‘read’ it first ;-)
My reading & listening skills r poor ESP @ this time of the nite
Ps2: sanjana & anya are taking me for some more ‘shooting’ where there are no ‘censors’ :-)
Satyam—earlier I joked about your rishi (soty) gaze towards me!
Now u really seem ‘jealous’ of anya & now sanjana.
C’mon gals –lets continue the threesome elsewhere
Anya is the boss 2nite :-)
I watched Son Of Sardar last night and found it a laugh riot. Mukul Dev alone was worth the price of the ticket. The whole audience laughed at his one liners. 3/5 (on Tuesdays ticket prices are cheap and I only found this out yesterday haha)
Just got home at 01:40 from JTHJ (my ticket was half price due to Orange Wednesday lol) and just like SRK *spoliers* regresses 10 years back in the film when he has his second accident, I feel 10 years older. Holy sugar the film dragged and the dialogues especially were cringeworthy except Anushkas speech at the end.
It was that bad that after the end of the film I forgot where I parked my car in the parking lot :P
Even at some of the places (desi) I know, the price is $5 on tuesdays. Typically it is $9-10. I prefer to watch in regular chain halls where seating is much better; Though the prices are same as regular English movies. The morning shows are cheaper(~$7) and evening ones more expensive (~$11).
Thanx Didn’t know that–but does it really matter– not easy to spare nearly a day/nite on a Tuesday..just for a few bucks maybe
“Anushkas speech at the end!”–oops noo– can see Amy already gearing up for a long lecture :-)
@munna – I tend to stay away on Orange Wednesdays as it tends to be overcrowded. Tues was a pleasant experience so may go again.
However, the fun is seeing the film on the day of its release and I prefer the late night show on the Friday. (plus one can go eat, party play snooker etc) as its the weekend to look ahead to.
i love low-price tue & wed. we have local theaters that have low price in evening shows too.
Usually go for the ‘gallery’ option (when available )-unlimited snacks, drinks, leg space, bar (also gud 4 groups)-not showing off -mostly get corporate cover ..
But bollywood releases are v few at my end (most bolly films don’t release even SOS ) & many don’t have the gallery option
Checked -skyfall does have that option..lol
But yeah–tues/we’d Must be excellent for students /uni crowd
must be nice, no such benefits for doctors.
i just need the movie for my movie watching experience. prefer watching on weekdays, so weekends can be spent outside/socializing/resting. i don’t even like to eat/drink in the theatre. get in time for previews, watch movie and get out.
Could you please give me directions to this place? I’ve never come across a single place where you have all these facilities while watching a film. Not that I want to indulge in making use of those facilities, just want to experience this atmosphere, and see how I react. I don’t eat/drink while watching a film – before or after a film is more my taste.
“Could you please give me directions to this place? “-ha seemed Oldgold & anya need to he shown around & taken on a trip lol
“So who gets SRK? Anushka or Katrina? Or both in Daag style?”–haha that’s a typical sanjana style statement :-)
About Son Of Sardar. It seems pagdi fights and then ties itself up neatly!
Soakshi need not fear about typecasting as she is already typecast.
Seems amnesia is contageous. Hope you found your car in time.
So who gets SRK? Anushka or Katrina? Or both in Daag style?
Another box office site (according to SRK haters this is also run by SRK)
2nd Day Worldwide Box Office Collections Of JAB TAK HAI JAAN
JAB TAK HAI JAAN Runs To Capacity Despite Bigger Release On Day Two
“Jab tak Hai Jaan” has done well by crossing 15 cr nett on day one despite competition from SOS. Film was expected to do well on 2nd day and film has certainly performed. Film also opened with big numbers overseas.
After collecting 15 cr nett on Tuesday, film jumped by almost 50% and as per early estimates film should collect 22.5 cr nett. Film collected well in all centers where it did well yesterday and registered growth in single screens in CP Berar, East Punjab, CI, Bihar and UP.
Film has got repeat audience even on 2nd day and that is a good news for the film. Film has to register a strong Thursday especially in single screens in North where ‘Bhaiya Dooj’ will get it good family audience. Tomorrow will decide that whether film will touch 100 cr in 6 days or more.
Film also opened in overseas territories with a bang as always the case with Shahrukh Khan starrer. Despite limited release as film willopen in all markets by tomorrow, film garnered in excess of 7 cr nett. It looks a good 50-60 cr weekend there and that is more than the budget of the film.
Film is only lagging in East Punjab and Rajasthan now but worldwide filmis heading for a huge total and might become the biggest or 2nd biggest hit of the year 2012. After all collections do count be it overseas or domestic.
Below are the collections for the film –
Tuesday 15.00 cr
Wednesday 22.50 cr
Total Domestic Collections 37.50 cr
Total Overseas Collections 07.25 cr
Total Worldwide Collections 44.75 cr
SON OF SARDAAR Jumps With Same Pattern As Yesterday
“Son Of Sardaar” did well in few territories yesterday and film managed good numbers on day one thanks to those pockets. Today film was expected to do even better with holiday and film registered jump.
After collecting 10.50 cr nett on Tuesday, film jumped by 45-50% on Wednesday. As per early estimates, film should collect somewhere around 16 cr nett taking film’s two day collections to 26.50 cr nett.
Film has got its audience in CI, Rjasthan and East Punjab. But problem for the film still remains the limited audience in limited screens. Film failed to grow in Nizam, Mysore and West Bengal.
Film also opened in overseas territories and as expected fetched an average start except Pakistan where JTHJ yet to hit screens. Film has collected record 22 lakhs in Pakistan on Day one.
Film has to put big numbers in Mumbai and South in order to come up well and beat JTHJ in days to come. One should also remember that film has to beat JTHJ with big margin in order to recover money at least as film can’t expect a huge run in overseas. As of now one can say that film is doing well but in limited circles.
Below are the collections for the film –
Tuesday 16.00 cr
Wednesday 10.50 cr
Total Domestic Collections 26.50 cr
Total Overseas Collections 01.20 cr
Total Worldwide Collections 27.70 cr
Thursday 15th November 2012 09.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Jab Tak Hai Jaan collected around 19-19.50 crore nett on its second day as per early estimates taking its two day figure to around 32 crore nett. The film showed big growth all over apart from the circuits which were strong on day one.
The growth on day two is around 50% which is good but mass circuits did not show the growth they should have. Going by the trends on Wednesday, the film is likely to fair best in the big cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkata and Bangalore.
Basically the clash has split the market Jab Tak Hai Jaan set to do better in some pockets and Son Of Sardaar set to do better in other pockets.
so between 19-22cr for JTHJ on second day….its nice jump but lets see what happens on thursday and then the weekend. i will be very surprised if this doesn’t crash badly. such a amateurish attempt to make a movie.
I will actually be surprised if this crashes badly- I will be very happy to be proved wrong though!
A group of my friends (who happen to be SRK fangirls) watched this yesterday and they were absolutely RAVING about it and each of them are going to go back and watch it this weekend with other groups of people.
I think that there are a lot of girls who will enjoy the film for all the sugary gloss and for SRK reprising his loverboy avatar- and then there will always be guys like Alex who’ll be happy as long as you give them a love triangle with two attractive, sexily dressed women. :-P So YRF has got most of the desi multiplex audience covered right there.
BTW, there was this old lady sitting next to me during the movie, and when we came out of the theatre she was on the phone telling somebody that they had to watch the film because it had such beautiful locations(!)
you know what you are right..i shouldn’t under estimate the die hards of SRK and the horny dudes for Kat. lol. i guess we have the “twihards” this weekend in the states and SRK die hards in India. and yes aunty ji pretty much sums up the older YashRaj crowd!
Don’t u think an Imran Khan fangirl should not make fun of SRK fangirls :) . Kidding!
*ahem* An Ayesha Takia fanboy shouldn’t make fun of Imran Khan fangirls! :-P Anyway- I don’t think that fans of any other star are as hardocre as SRK’s! :-P
How about Imran Khan and ayesha Takia starring together in a romcom(what else) movie.
Imru ki Amily ka Saurobola!!
LOL i was gonna say the same Imran and Takia in rom com.
But common we need a Triangle…. so who will play the third heroine ;)
Son Of Sardaar Day Two Figures
Thursday 15th November 2012 09.00 IST
Boxofficeindia.Com Trade Network
Son Of Sardaar did very well on its second day showing a 70% jump on day two as it collected around 14-14.50 crore nett as per early estimates taking its two day total to 23 crore nett approx.
The film is doing very well in East Punjab, Rajasthan, Bihar, CI and Rajasthan. The collections in Delhi/UP are also super strong in terms of occupancies though the figures are not huge due to the chain of theatres being low collecting theatres. It will have a good run in Delhi/UP.
The business is not so strong in West Bengal, Mysore and Tamil Nadu/Kerala but being a North film that is expected.
seems Ajay Devgn took a risk and succeeded to a great extent. His film was given overcritical treatment by the Mainstream media while the same media showered praises on JTHN. Well, both are not very good movies but while one pretended to be a great movie, the other did not.In the former case, there will be some disappointment due to skyhigh expectations while in the latter case the audience will not be that disappointed as they know what to expect.
Can we call Ajay Devgn Braveheart as the entire industry supported the other party and deserted him in the hour of need?
Shah Rukh Khan, Anushka Sharma and Katrina Kaif starrer Jab Tak Hai Jaan was released on 2,500 screens and it has reportedly collected Rs 15.23 crore all over India.
The Ajay Devgn, Sonakshi Sinha and Sanjay Dutt starrer Son Of Sardaar collected Rs 10.72 crore from 2,000 screens in the country.
Trade analyst Taran Adarsh says it is the “best Diwali for Bollywood”.
“In mass circuits, Son Of Sardaar is ahead and at multiplexes, Jab Tak Hai Jaan takes a lead. As per early trends, Jab Tak Hai Jaan is ahead of Son Of Sardaar in India. But, both are winners at the box-office. This is the biggest and best Diwali for Bollywood. The business of Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Son Of Sardaar will be the biggest ever,” Taran Adarsh tweeted.
Rajesh Thadani, Multimedia Combines, Mumbai, told IANS that both films are doing very well.
“Son Of Sardaar is doing well in single screens and Jab Tak Hai Jaan is doing well in multiplexes. Looking at the reports, I am sure Son Of Sardaar will pick up and do well in a couple of days,” he added.
There has been a lot of pre-release buzz around both Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Son Of Sardaar. Plus they have the advantage of festive occasion and extended weekend to mint more money.
Anant Verma, director and business head of DT Cinemas, told IANS: “Both the films have opened well with almost equal occupancy at our cinemas. We gave equal capacity and almost same number of shows to both. We are looking at a decent occupancy till Sunday. Friday morning shows will dip a little, but overall till Sunday all cinemas will do well. Families, youngsters and couples are coming to watch Son Of Sardaar and Jab Tak Hai Jaan .”
Produced by Aditya Chopra, late filmmakers Yash Chopra’s last directorial Jab Tak Hai Jaan has reportedly been made at a budget of Rsb50 crore, while director Ashwni Dhir’s Son Of Sardaar said to be costlier with Rs 80 crore expenses.
Sanjay Ghai of Mukta Arts predicts the films to cross Rs 100 crore collection mark.
“They have the potential to cross Rs 100 crore. Both the films opened at 90 per cent occupancy, which was expected and today both Jab Tak Hai Jaan and Son Of Sardaar are going houseful,” Sanjay Ghai told IANS.
No, it wont crash, because there are many attractive aspects to it for the non-discriminating viewers. Aditya is master at identifying the truly big ideas of fiction, from various sources . It is another matter that he screws them up so badly in execution, adding some deliberate crassness and titillation in good measure. That goes quite well with a lot of Indian audiences. This is what he did with Dead Poets Society / Mohabbatein, Autograph (Tamil) & Broken Flowers / Bachna e Haseenon. The double identity of RDBDJ was a wonderful device to explore what a woman wants – but was squanderd through this ‘ tujh mein rab dikhta hai’ cop out. Here this Jesus business by itself is a powerful idea explored in The End of an Affair., but treated here in cavalier fashion, just for kicks rather than any genuine engagement with the concept.
But as a said this basic premise with all the trappings og glamour and titillation is good enough for many. Unfortunately it is so shoddy that it will keep away a good many others. So a big hit it wont be. But neither will it crash.
From the hilarious NYT review:
“Mr. Khan charms and swaggers about, holding onto marquee status even in a post-amnesia hospital-bed scene that has him wearing an absurd nipple-tight shirt. Would that his co-star Ms. Kaif, who has great fun with a “Rent”-dress-code warehouse dance, didn’t have, at key moments, the expressiveness of pudding. “
Was usty going thru videos and found this naseer’s criticism of Big B. He says
1) he has not acted much in great films, and
2) Acting talent… something has to be reflected in choices.
I found that second point to be quite effective and great one, ( not regarding Big B, as i dont think i can comment on his career beyond past decade ) as in connection with discussion of SRK the Actor and his choices
November 14, 2012
Defuse Bombs? That’s Nothing Next to Love
By NICOLAS RAPOLD
Yash Chopra’s final film, “Jab Tak Hai Jaan” (“Till My Last Breath”), raises the stakes on Bollywood romance to potentially explosive levels. The superstar Shah Rukh Khan plays Samar, an expert bomb defuser who hides behind sunglasses and nerves of steel in India, where he has fled after Meera (Katrina Kaif) breaks his heart in London.
How his past romance all went down is explained through a prolonged flashback involving amnesia, pacts with God, a hit and run, and a percussive warehouse-party dance number. Along the way there are sideline gigs as a busker, a fishmonger and a waiter. Once the film catches us up, a fresh complication arises when a sassy young intern from a TV show, Akira (Anushka Sharma), gets hooked on Samar while shooting a documentary on his work.
A love triangle develops that is as intricate and death-defying as a prisoner’s dilemma. Even though the film drags, the magic of Bollywood is that this story’s muddle of twists only clarifies the urgency behind the undying desires of all concerned parties. And beyond showing the requisite London landmarks, Mr. Chopra pans over earth and heavens in typically spectacular shots of Samar in Kashmir as he goes about his dangerous business. (Mr. Chopra, a Bollywood giant, died in October at 80.)
Mr. Khan charms and swaggers about, holding onto marquee status even in a post-amnesia hospital-bed scene that has him wearing an absurd nipple-tight shirt. Would that his co-star Ms. Kaif, who has great fun with a “Rent”-dress-code warehouse dance, didn’t have, at key moments, the expressiveness of pudding.
But when Akira flirts with Samar while he defuses a bomb on a bridge — from which they hang in harnesses — “Jab Tak Hai Jaan” reaches some new acme of oblivious romantic folly.
The Vigil Idiot: Jab Tak Hai Jaan
November 15, 2012 10:02 am by Sahil Rizwan
What originality this film is, man! We have Shah Rukh Khan playing a romantic lead by the name of Samar Anand; Katrina Kaif playing Meera Thapar, an NRI who speaks accented Hindi; and Anushka Sharma playing Akira Rai who is—are you ready for this—a feisty girl from Delhi! Shocker, I know. But hey, actors get typecast all the time. As long as their roles are written well, right? Well, I wonder where all the costume money they saved on not giving pants to any of the women went… Because it sure as hell didn’t go to the script department.
Saw the film today at Inox, was nearly 55-60 per cent full. The feeling I have is that the film is doing reasonably well, but clearly is no blockbuster success.
Personally I quite liked the film and I believe it will age well. I thought Shah Rukh was wonderful, very consistent and in character throughtout. This is one thing I have to hand him compared to the other Khans. As an actor I believe he has been the most effective and he tends to pitch his characters correctly, something which Aamir has not managed to do all the time.
The story too worked for me. I didnt find it puerile as some others found it…perhaps my expectations were lower. I found the story perfectly plausible, but was let down severely by having a weak actress in the lead. Now the central love story required passionate lovers – no matter what the makers tried – making Kat gyrate, having her wear off shoulders, innumerable smooches, she just doesn’t manage to elicit the slightest bit of oomph. That’s the problem here. Zero sexuality and chemistry…and this is no fault of SRK. This weakens the premise a lot. When Kat makes a re entry, and he couple reunites it should have given the audience goosebumps (remember Ash-Salman in Hum Dil, or SRK-Kajol in DDLJ) . That doesn’t happen because Kat is incredibly dull as an actress. She looks beautiful of course but she very listless. This is felt most in scenes where Anushka and she come together. The former’s performance throbs with life, and though she’s getting repetitive and Im no fan of her overt smugness, Anushka knows how to act, how to say her dialogues..and pull off her role with elan.
I didnt mind the coincidences so much. It doesn’t outrage your sense of logic any more than the average 70s Bolllywood film does. I found Fanaa a bit more incredulous in fact. JTHJ stays engaging throughout and there is always the curiosity to know what will happen next. The most admirable aspect of the film is SRK’s character. Within the span of the film his role still remains a bit shadowy, but there is the right illusion of depth to his character. JTHJ actually has a story that could well have been a novel, because there seems to be a lot in the characters and situations that is left unsaid. For example the crucial parting scene and its strange circumstances. It might have seemed quite plausible if one read it in a book, as much of the happenings are in the characters’ minds! There is complexity befitting a book. As a film, there are limitations and not everything gets executed well. More explaination was needed about SRK leaving too. So the film kind of seems a bit ambigious.
Music was not as fantastic as was expected from Rahman, but that one recurring music piece is glorious.
I enjoyed it overall. all said and done it had a fresh story, and did not insult my intelligence by any means.
thanks for your take Sandy.. great to get a longer note from you.. I too have long had the hunch (i.e. before release) that it would be more like a RNBDJ than anything else. Good opening numbers, not spectacular all things considered and then solid trending. Having said that precisely because the numbers are not massive it cannot afford a serious drop-off at any point. Not least because it doesn’t have any breathing space. SOS is there in any case but in a couple of weeks there’s another major release. Very few films add very substantially to the gross after the first 5-7 days these days and certainly not after the first 10 days. My guess is that even in the best guess scenario we’re looking at something in the 105-120 range here, depending on how it trends. Which wouldn’t be a bad number looking at all the factors but it’s fair to say that this also isn’t the optimal performance one expects from this kind of production (though it might trend much better than most 100 crore films to get there). But your estimation here seems the right one. This definitely doesn’t look like a blockbuster unless the trending surprises very much. Will add this that given SOS is doing well mostly in the single screens and that too more in Northern single screens and given that JTHJ isn’t doing much at all in these the overlap isn’t really hurting the latter as much as it might have. With OSO/Saawariya for example you had multiplexes into both in a big way (Saawariya had a strong weekend and then collapsed). So if JTHJ had either excited the audience more or had it been loved more I think it could have done a lot more even with SOS around. But again RNBDJ seems to be the best model here and actually the only three films where SRK has had big initials since KANK in 2006 are OSO and RA One. Both films were hyped to death. Nonetheless he excited the box office here. With the others (RNBDJ, MNIK, JTHJ) I would say the initials have been solid but not fantastic. Which isn’t a problem except if you are SRK still trying to match the biggest days of your strongest peers. I’d repeat that JTHJ has no latitude to have very weak days in this first 7 day run or so.
Sandy, several people have noted that JTHJ is eerily reminiscent (i.e., is “heavily inspired” from) of the Graham Greene novel End of the Affair, so perhaps that’s why you felt so many times that the proceedings were better suited to a novel than a film.
sandy is bribed by srk-fans to write this piece esp. “As an actor I believe he has been the most effective and he tends to pitch his characters correctly, something which Aamir has not managed to do all the time.”;-)
Even I felt so. Why to bring Aamir here and what was the necessity?
i was wondering the same…. how come Aamir came in the middle, surely a typo…
It is not typo. The reviewer wanted to praise one actor at the expense of another who usually do not do such wishy washy mushy roles. She is comparing oranges with apples.
Ya i know i was just being sarcastic… but i am sure sandy will have a reason… she’s a reasonable soul.
haha idea I wish I was bribed…
As for comparing, well that’s because I believe their stardom is the still the most comparable. Both intensely vie for popularity and to do quality films. Don’t see anyone else in that league. Their journey to superstardom has not been alike certainly, but it is still the closest one can get in our generation. Certainly I will not bring in Salman because he’s running a different race.
Analysis of anything will always include comparisons of one kind or the other, especially that which can be equated. I don’t say SRK is the better actor necessarily. His screen presence exudes more warmth than Aamir perhaps, but both are capable of very fine performances. Just that I have not been so enthused with Aamir as an actor off late. As we know he makes up for it with sharp film choices, and has been the reason for Hindi cinema getting a few extraordinary cinematic triumphs but that is a different argument.
I was also intrigued by that statement of yours, Sandy, because as far as I remember, you are a fan of Aamir? (until you discovered Surya, I guess. :) )
Even then, the comparison is odious and distasteful when you are reviewing a film but not two heroes. If you dont like aamir’s acting, you can pick his films.
sm, surya is an “eternal flame” (not old) for sandy ;-) just like madhubala and tabu are for me :-) although i have a addition in that list – Ileana :-) i am totally smitten by her
Satyam: I will just say the film is gloriously vague, not dismissable though.
Love this description!!!
The audience with whom i saw the film didnt give any reaction whatsoever- unless you call that a reaction :-) It seemed like a casual film experience to most. But that happens sometimes. I’ve watched films where the reaction was a riot at one viewing and quite thanda at another.
When I was in India, and went to watch Dabaang I was looking forward to watching the crowd reaction, but was very disapponted because there was none. There was more interest in ordering sandwiches from a person walking around and taking orders – at least that was a novel experience.
This was in Pune. I forget the name of the place where I watched it.
sm: Ah really! I thought this was original for what it was worth. I’ve read Heart Of the Matter by Graham Green and yes, these are precisely the kind of stories he deals with. In fact a major motif in his works is religion and God. Ah, so interesting now…
Re: Jesus business/talking to God/making promises
This isn’t anything strange or silly as some seem to think. It is as old as religion itself. The oldest form of bargaining.
“God if I get this/you do this for me…..then I will….”
THere are various forms of it, mannat, vardan, kasam (oath).
People are known to visit the shrine in Ajmer, varous holy places and temples, Saldhana etc for this.
Katrina herself is known to have visited Ajmer before the release of her films.
Older films had a lot of such sentiments, it’s only now it seems not to be cool to show in films, by some …even though the film industry indulges a lot in this.
So what’s so strange? What’s so ‘copying foreign film’ about it? Is it because it is ‘Jesus’? In christianity there are saints for almost all your wishes to whom you can pray (talking to god) and promise something.
People should always look within ;-) and not always at Hollywood.
….or Grahm Green
Oldgold: There is nothing wrong with people making promise to Jesus, so what if she is a Hindu? There is nothing wrong with a rich girl falling in love with a poor boy . What if they don’t discuss their economic disparity…not all couples are so communicative you know. There is nothing wrong with retrograde amnesia, people do get after a head injury. What if they get back their memory, twice allover. There is nothing wrong with a guy getting hit by a car twice while on a bike. Perhaps there is some guy somewhere who has been hit four times. There is nothing wrong with an Indian musician being able to dance better salsa than Hispanics. There are Indians who are good at singing, dancing and making great omlettes as well. There is nothing wrong with a British police force allowing a stranger to diffuse a bomb in the subway. Don’t let anyone tell me there are no dumb Bobbies. And there are grieving mothers who buy a birthday frock on each birthday of their abandoned daughter, remembering to buy the correct size , taking into account the correct size to match the growing years. Women like to shop for clothes. We all know it. I don’t see what are people are objecting to it here.
You can ask such questions in 99.9999999 of the films made.
>There is nothing wrong with people making promise to Jesus, so what if she is a Hindu?
You find something wrong there?
ABsr goes to Ajmer, and so do many others.
Are you BJP, or from Gujarat?
Anyway there might be innumerable reasons for her going to church.
She may have found her own way there and found solace, considering that she had no guidance from a mother etc
There is nothing wrong with a British police force allowing a stranger to diffuse a bomb in the subway.
Yes. They should have waited for proper people to come. Never mind if the bomb explodes before they arrive.
>And there are grieving mothers who buy a birthday frock on each birthday of their abandoned daughter, remembering to buy the correct size , taking into account the correct size to match the growing years.
Leave it. Don’t bother yourself with sentiments, and a mother’s intuition (even if she abandoned the child).
>There is nothing wrong with a guy getting hit by a car twice while on a bike.
You cannot deny the possibility either.
I’m sure there are people somewhere who have been hit twice by a car….even 4 times.
>There is nothing wrong with retrograde amnesia, people do get after a head injury. What if they get back their memory, twice allover.
LOL!!! Lets not get into discussions about ideas about memory losses being used as gimmicks in films. LOL!
BTW it is quite a favourite subject in older films.
> There is nothing wrong with an Indian musician being able to dance better salsa than Hispanics. There are Indians who are good at singing, dancing and making great omlettes as well.
Why can’t an Indian dance salsa better? Do you think ALL Spanish people can dance Salsa, and are very good at it? Hilarious.
All our heros and heroines are good at dancing and singing …. and I’m sure can cook well when cooking ;-)
I’m sorry but your complaints sound forced and for the sake of it.
How on earth do you EVER watch Bollywood films?????
this is a quote from utkal’s comment (is unmamarked in my comment)
>There is nothing wrong with a British police force allowing a stranger to diffuse a bomb in the subway.
Excuse Me, why to bring in Gujarat here ?
I am sure u can make ur point across in a better way than the cheap shot.
Jai Jai Garvi Gujarat :D
Because you objected to it too, and I know you are from there, and….you know what!! ;-)
Anyways u can say whatever u want. Ur choice, and ur cheap shots.
I dont know anything.
LOL rooney, I’ve been reading nothing but cheap shots the past couple of days, and today you cry about it.
then go on the those who made cheap shots if any.
Why Bring Gujarat in middle… but anyways who cares… an eye for eye shall leave whole world blind.
U can enjoy cheap shots on Gujarat…
rooney don’t act so innocent.
Anyway, you were the first one to bring up about a hindu reveering a goid of another religion.
IMO that was a pretty cheap comment and communal minded.
Raakhi Sawant may not be very high in the opinion of people, but no harm in using her as an example.
Isn’t she a hindu reveering Jesus too?
Old Gold: “>There is nothing wrong with people making promise to Jesus, so what if she is a Hindu?
You find something wrong there?
ABsr goes to Ajmer, and so do many others.
Are you BJP, or from Gujarat?”
Wow. What a cheap shot.
I never said I wasn’t cheap.
The explanation maybe like this. Surely SRK cannot be depicted as cleaning the yard of a temple which will not look fashionable. A church will look good amidst winter snows and Yash Chopra used Church even in DDLJ. He was secular punjabi and also might have been commercial minded. The film will have more audience from other faiths. Why should I watch the film on the big screen after so many reviews including that of vigil idiot?
>Why should I watch the film on the big screen after so many reviews including that of vigil idiot?
The same reason others are doing, making the house full or nearly full??? ;-)
Wow. This sounds positively hilarious.
>There is nothing wrong with people making promise to Jesus, so what if she is a Hindu?
You find something wrong there?
ABsr goes to Ajmer, and so do many others.
Are you BJP, or from Gujarat?
I think OG just loves to bracket people who even try to talk about regionalism/communalism in films or any such stuff. It is strange but when I talked about excessive ‘Punjabization’ in films when film-makers try to display/push-in Punjabi atmospherics even when it is not required in the film, OG asked me if I was a Shiv Sainik. I explained further that I was only talking of film-makers who think — ‘family’ atmosphere needs to be captured? Let’s head to Punjab..
Now when Utkal just talked about using a particular community’s faith/God just as a prop, OG asked if he is from Gujarat!! I guess there can only be a leftist (aka Pagalika Ghose/Barkha Bahar Dutt) or a rightist (Togadia/Romney) in OG’s world.
Vajpayee gaya bhaad mein..
>I guess there can only be a leftist (aka Pagalika Ghose/Barkha Bahar Dutt) or a rightist (Togadia/Romney) in OG’s world.
Oh there are, there are.
Me for instance ;-)
Anything that Oldgold is saying currently is the ‘truth’. !!!
Well said OG
(Same for anya & Amy)
Ps: Amy (anushka) is asking for a similar role to katrina (as in the educational link below) :-)
On the other hand, you have no idea how tough it is for poor me *sniff* *sniff* to hold the fort against a host of opponents.
Now if I belonged to a cozy gang like you, then one would handle the Punjabization front, other the Gujrat front, and I wouldn’t be burdened with Gujrat and Punjab and South fronts.
Too much, I tell you!!! Too much!!!
Don’t worry OG- u have my ‘support’
Oldgold: “You can ask such questions in 99.9999999 of the films made.”
But the Shakespeare uses mistaken identities, coincidences, clowns, ghosts and flowery language. But every writer who uses mistaken identities, 0r clowns or ghosts or flowery language is not Shakespeare. For example, no one accuses Kader Khan of being the undeclared incarnation of Shakespeare as far as I know.
“How on earth do you EVER watch Bollywood films?????”
With a lot of relish for most of the films that I choose to see.
I don’t know if you read my post on ‘y ten Best Films from the 100 Years of Indian Cinema’, where I mentioned that the filmmaker who makes the Bollywood film for me is Ritwk Ghatak. He uses playback singing, unrealistic dialogue, plenty of melodrama….and how!
If you have watched Meghe Dhaka Tara you will know.
> ‘y ten Best Films from the 100 Years of Indian Cinema’, where I mentioned that the filmmaker who makes the Bollywood film for me is Ritwk Ghatak.
No, I haven’t read it.
The point is, this ifilm is not your genre, it is clear. So why bother to give any opinion?
Films like GOW, DevD (or any Kashyp film) etc are not of my taste and I wouldn’t bother to review them because obviously I’ll find fault at every turn and would rip it apart.
I too would have a host of questions to ask – and could (haven’t ever though) mock and belittle the efforts.
Sorry, I don’t find your criticism sincere at all.
@qalander bhai… remember once we spoke of BRTS system of Ahmedabad…. i thought u might like to see this video, which describes it.
* i do not support any political parties or any political ideologies. The video is only posted for description of a service of local transport.
* i travel through this system and found this interesting.
Ahmedabad’s Bus Rapid Transit System to be showcased by United Nations
NEW DELHI: The UN has chosen Ahmedabad’s Bus Rapid Transit System (BRTS) as a showcase project to highlight that addressing climate change is not a burden, but an opportunity to improve the lives of people.
Ahmedabad’s BRTS: Some interesting facts
The 51-km BRTS will be highlighted as a ‘lighthouse project’ as part of the United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s Momentum for Change Initiative at the Doha round of negotiations to be held later this month. The initiative was launched by the UN Secretary General at the 2011 Durban round of the UN-sponsored climate change negotiations. The “lighthouse projects” are an attempt to “transform the impression of slow progress in negotiations, into a positive can do environment that recognises action and progress”.
As people need to travel longer distances to work or for leisure, there has been a rapid rise in the vehicular traffic, especially as public transport systems in India’s cities have been unable to cater to the rising demand. There is an annual 15% rise in the passenger-km that Indians travel, and a 10% increase in the sale of vehicles particularly cars to meet the requirement, according to official data. Transport has become one of the chief sources of rising emission.
@Rooney: The fact that you felt compelled to enter this disclaimer is in itself a sad commentary on the environment here.
Well @sm exactly opposite, its a trait of mine personally :P and lawyers instinct, that whenever one talks of Gujarat people tend to make assumption and divert their attention to elsewhere.
the reason for the disclaimer was because it was taken from the website of sitting chief minister of the state.
And u can say anything about the environment, i only say one thing to that : NO COMMENTS.
The only reason of video was the project. Which i found interesting and showed functioning of a project, and it can be anywehre in the world, any country, any state and any place… it doesnt make difference.
Not only this rapid transport system. Gujarat has become a model state to emulate and there are so many things that is praiseworthy. Just compare it with the rest of the states of India where there is no discipline and worthwhile progress being made even in basic infrastructure like good roads, drinking water and electricity supply.
that are praiseworthy.
What about the rest of Gujarat?
What ? about rest of gujarat ?
I have categorically stated miss, i have no views on politics… lemme be more specific, it is posted for information of Q, as we chatted on this topic some time ago, so he can get description of it.
I do not promote or even defame the said project. Just think of it as interesting.
Nutan vashabhinandan Roooney-Moooney. How was the Diwali? And its ok to like Modi…I like him too ;-)
lol same to u Di.
Saal Mu Baraak. Tame Kem Cho ?
I hope u have a great new year and may u find happiness.
@politics: Seriously DI, i dont follow the same, no views regarding anyone. Cant Comment on what i dont understand and is beyond me!
Elsewhere I commented, we make bunch of emotional and dramatic movies but we hardly know how to make them. Just take a look at this year Oscar winner for best foreign movie…A Separation…It deals with relationships, fights, religious feelings, ..and all the regular stuff you see in desi movie..But treatment is so different.
Munna it’s all to do with mindset, cultural background, familiarity with a certain background, and a certain taste etc etc.
Moreover if one is looking for award winning style films this never pretended to be one.
I get quite bored and can’t relate to their kind of ‘emotional’ films.
I had heard so much of Love Story, but watched it quite passively. Got quite bored.
As I have said here in other thread. We took Hollywood way of delivering dialogues in 30-50s along with dance and musical numbers (which probably came from theatre way of acting). We never changed; we added few things and cultural things but basic format remained the same. Our heroes still mouth dialogues as if the other person is 50 meters away. We now call it Bollywood but other countries have changed to more subtle form. We haven’t!
“Our heroes still mouth dialogues as if the other person is 50 meters away.”
Ha! Line of the week!
>but other countries have changed to more subtle form.
That’s their character. You can call it subtle if you like.
The thing that struck me when I first came to this country was how they could hold a heated political discussion without raising their voices.
Katrina has that body language and expressions.
It wouldn’t suit the Indian character. I saw a film once The Warrior with Imran Khan. There the subtleties looked out of place. The glances, a light smile flickering on the lips, a slight turn of the head, looking into the distance, crushing something in the hand, breaking a piece of twig in the hand to express a tumutous heart, was all fine…and so alien.
OK the above scenes are not all from The Warrior, I went general after a while, though they could be all there too, I’m sure.
If you like the above good for you.
I like the non subtleties (which doesn’t mean crassness)…good for me.
“The thing that struck me when I first came to this country was how they could hold a heated political discussion without raising their voices.
Katrina has that body language and expressions.”
Good point Oldgold –about Switzerland & also about Katrina –there IS a certain ‘serenity’ in the Swiss ambience
Even in the interactions, have always found Swiss a bit mellow n serene (though formal)
Katrina has a certain ‘balance’ & sense of ‘proportion’ that makes one ignore the gross misgivings in her acting, diction
Well pointed out–an original point
No. I am talking about domain within which the movie is set; things should be consistent. I for one like many mindless action movies. Not suggesting they are good. But they are cogent within that framework. So when you are trying to show emotional drama, they should be real and more realistic than an action movie.
Agreed again.. the pitch and scale of masala cinema for example was more in keeping with a certain moment in Indian cultural life. Today the same would have to be reinvented. The legacy of this cinema is a very rich one but it cannot simply be duplicated in very different contexts. Much as there is something to learn from the figure of the angry young man but this doesn’t meant that you start making films as if it’s still 1978! To use a more literary example Dickens is great but you don’t write like Dickens in the 20th century though you can certainly learn from him. No matter how much one admires RD Burman one cannot suddenly start composing music that sounds exactly like his. The older work retains its force, one can watch Awara today and be amazed by its achievement but one cannot repeat in in any easy way.
I am the greatest supporter of the unique tradition that Indian commercial cinema offers but it’s a mistake to see past decades as somehow all the same because they all offered song and dance and so forth. There are dramatic differences and in each case, whether for better or worse, there were adjustments being made relative to the larger cultural contexts. So again I do agree with you. In fact you come at this whole problem that I often lament about from a different perhaps more interesting vantage point. One of the problems with being ‘disconnected’ from larger societal impulses or having an extremely cramped view of the same is that one starts making cinema that operates in a bubble. Obviously commercial cinema is never realistic. Police inspectors never lived in the sorts of houses they inhabited in commercial movies once upon a time. But there was a certain truth to the world of those films. People mistakenly believe ‘realism’ to be the same as ‘truth’. They are completely different things. This is a different debate but the point in any case is that today there is no ‘truth’ in most films. And this again gets to your point. In a vacuum you can make certain choices that make for an entertaining film, that are ideologically on the right side of their key audiences but are otherwise ‘untrue’ efforts and hence some of the gesturality and so forth associated with these works also rings hollow beyond a point.
A typical Indian (not NRI) isn’t subtle in expressing his/her emotion of sorrow, love (of any kind), in fact ANYTHING. That’s the first thing that hits you when you get out of the airport.
Yes, Indian ‘art’ films have used this method, and I ‘have’ liked some, but even there it gets as repetitive as the expressing of it more obviously in the mainstream films.
Lastly it is what you can relate to.
OLdgold: The point is, this ifilm is not your genre, it is clear.
How is it clear? Which genre is this? If you are saying the genre is ‘ Bad Films’ , then you are right, I don’t go for them. If the genre is ” Love Stories’, let me say that is among my two favourite genres… Drama being the other.
How can Old Gold say Genre without even experiencing the movie and without her own thoughts on the movie… or did i miss them.
Do you know what genre Talaash is, rooney?
Yes, i know, and what i know is as per what filmmakers have said regarding the same in interviews.
same way I know about JTHJ.
It’s easy to know it’s genre;
-it’s YRF ;-)
-They keep saying ^king of romance’
-and something like ‘the man who knows how to show romance’ for YRF
need I know more, you think?
pre release and post release changes the equation.
1) pre release we have to go by the word.
2) post release user who experience the movie can undertand the genre better.
hence the difference. Elementary Oldie.
So the genre is…?
Even if a very bad film, there has to be a genre.
BTW rooney, have you seen it that you want to argue about the genre.
>Which genre is this? If you are saying the genre is ‘ Bad Films’ , then you are right, I don’t go for them.
In other words if you say it is bad then it is bad.
How on earth do you want me to trust what you say.
We have a review from sandy too. Are you saying she likes bad films? Granted she didn’t say it was a great film, but neither has she made statements like yours.
It’s a well balanced review.
Are you the greatest connoisseur of good movies and others not?
The SRK-bashing season has begun..
May you all get to give your choicest gaalis to the most hated superstar ever!
May you bestow all your frustrations upon the actor.
Who accused him of being one???
my original comment:
“one question is Katrina Playing foreigner in the film ? if yes cool. If no, why pray to jesus ? and in church ?
i have found this quite god awful, this days that marriages in silver screen are more like christian marriages and that instead of praying to one’s own god, more characters are shown praying to church?
I am not religious minded, and accept all God as one, but this tendency is quite too unacceptable for me atleast.”
What is ur allegation
“rooney don’t act so innocent.
Anyway, you were the first one to bring up about a hindu reveering a goid of another religion.
IMO that was a pretty cheap comment and communal minded.”
1) i have stated in my original comment i am not religious minded. I believe in all God as One.
2) My point is inconsistency of the script or reading of the mind.
3) Either my point can be wrong which can be proved by evidence to the contrary, but to term me as communal, is childish, amateur and displays total non application of mind.
4) i had intended to understand logic of the praying to Jesus. And critcise the grwing tendency of wedding sequences in church and praying to jesus in Indian Cinema.
Ya Peace, thanx and adios. have a great new year!
So oldgold is the cop-in-charge to protect Srk/Yrf/JthJ dignity on this blog? This is sounding hilarious….going after everyone who dont have good things to say about the movie. People cannot even mock movies now without being called insincere???
also there are many who r questioning abt Jesus thing on Twitter and FB too, and fyi they seem to be from Bengal, Mumbai, Delhi, US etc.
@satyam: Can u delete the “communal allegation” comment by oldgold. Its disturbing
I dont mind the cheap word, but the place from where i come in this world i am very sensitive to such words, I have lost childhood friends and close people, belonging to various religions but above all they were Children of God. Innocent people have died. I have seen death and life infront of me, as a child.
And i have fought for democracy and the constitutional and secular fabric of this Nation.
I would appreciate it.
Ha Ha !
This is Hilarious thread, ESP comments seem to be more enjoyable than the movie’s in question..
Can you tell me one party who is not communal in India??? Modi has become ” dhobhi ka pathar” for so called Psuedo-Secular and Left leaning media and intelligentsia
Just saw this
Calm down folks -the crime busters are here now !!
Enuf of mayhem
Btw Oldgold –is in form and can carry on ;-)
Ps –just read bits of review by sandy I –seems a sensible unbiased and Mon judgmental take-even deserved a separate thread -to differentiate it from ‘motivated’ ones
Btw y r gals in general criticising Katrinas character here that much
But know a few who have gone for a second viewing tonite AFTER ripping JTHJ apart yesterday –I excused myself due to one issues but will he jacking out over the weekend
Hail srk /Kat /anushka
Checking out (not ‘jacking’ out)
Btw rooney –u seem to be having a ‘meltdown’ too many–usually u r a gentlemanly person –anyhow chillax :-)
Ps– look at this illustrative of mentality of some fans
Read this tweet somewhere –skmething of the effect–
Srk takes revenge from Salman
Does to Kareena what Salman couldn’t do (on & off screen)–
Proper Defintive ‘lipkiss’ !!!
Now THIS may be difficult in the spoof-beware the Katrinas (though nothing’s impossible in life for me) :-)
But Salman has already bedded each one of them! from Bijalani to Somy Ali to Aishwarya to Katrina..Am I missing someone?
In the words of the great GARRETH from BBC’s THE OFFICE: they are all sloppy seconds and I don’t do them!!!!
Ha Ann –there are similar ‘retorts’ from Salman fans floating around –but those ‘bedding’ ones are somewhat inappropriate for the ‘sanctity’ of the blog :-)
Atleast this one is ‘civil’–hence quoted here…
Even ‘porn’ has ‘principles’
Also calling anyone (let alone a gal) a ‘sloppy second’ isn’t really appropriate imo
That’s RICKY GERVAIS’ writing my friend..not mine..so now the bug of crediting someone’s extraordinary quote to ordinary people has bit you too?? Kidding…as a disclaimer
Ann–Bugs don’t bite me–it’s the other way, my friend ;-)
Ok Amy –stop crying now—your role will also be made equal to katrinas v
“But Salman has already bedded each one of them! from Bijalani to Somy Ali to Aishwarya to Katrina..Am I missing someone?
In the words of the great GARRETH from BBC’s THE OFFICE: they are all sloppy seconds and I don’t do them!!!!”
And this makes Salman, what exactly? Oh wait, I forgot- it’s only women who are ‘second-hand’ once they’ve been in a relationship! Damn, what a loss for Katrina and Aishwarya that you are no longer interested in them now that they have been reduced to ‘sloppy seconds’! I mean, who doesn’t find find a man charming when he uses crude, misogynistic metaphors to compare women to used products?
BTW- I know that’s Ricky’s line, I just don’t think that this was the best context to use it in. Not trying to pick a fight with you, but I had to respond to that comment!
No Ami you definitely are not picking a fight with me. But I think you mis-understood my using the quote as an endorsement from my side. I just wrote that because I found it funny the way fans are reacting to a mere kiss. All I was saying is going by his personality/attitude toward life in general and media in particular, he might be thinking that at the back of his mind!! And yes, that doesn’t make it right and the statement is definitely not gentlemanly..but that is also one way the world — sorry, men — looks at it..
And by the way I am an equal opportunity offender. I will be more than happy if the unfair sex of men are called trashy nthssss..
I did call Saif Ali Khan ‘second-hand jawani’ married to ‘halkat jawani’ kareena kapoor…
BTW Ami, I do not belong to that hypocrite multiplex generation.. I do not care whether you have an affair before or after marriage or whenever and with whoever and how manyever.. If I am a pig, I neither have a right not do I expect my girl/woman/wife to be a pearl…
OK, looks like I was much harsher than necessary to you in my comment. Apologies!
Sorry, that comment was meant to be heere:
An Jo- Now that I’ve read your explanation, I feel like I was far too harsh in my comment- the problem with blog conversations is that it’s very hard to understand the tone and intent of the person making the comment. Apologies!
But Ami there’s nothing to be offended about. Now that statement from Ricky was not very respectful towards women but the fact remains that Salman has ‘bedded’ all those ladies and yet females in India are crazy abt Salman inspite of his ‘perceived’ attitude towards them. And it’s a common perception amongst men that a woman who is a ‘sloppy second’ is not as interesting as a pure, untouched one- btw i am not saying that this view is right but that this view very much exists
Just because something is a common belief, it doesn’t mean one should not challenge its validity and hypocrisy. In any case, in Europe today, virginity is certainly not perceived as essential for a ‘good’ woman. It’s only in the more conservative Asian/ Middle-Eastern societies that this quality is idealized as a necessary virtue for a woman. So as a 21st century British comedian, Ricky is not echoing a value that is widely-held within his cultural at all.
Also, its one think for a comedian (who is known for his politically incorrect, provocative style) to make that comment in jest, and a completely different thing for somebody to casually throw this quote into a conversation to illustrate why certain actresses are undesirable and it doesn’t matter if one gets to kiss them.
Just as Salman is popular with the women despite his many relationships, Katrina is also popular with men despite her sleazy, shadowy past, B-grade movies, relationship with a much older superstar etc, so it’s not only women who overlook these things and go crazy for a man, even in a society as conservative as India.
Also I was not offended, just very mildly annoyed.
Anyway- I have no problem with people who are of the view that pre-marital relationships are undesirable- it’s just the hypocrisy that annoys me. I do know older people back home who are very conservative in their views, but are equally critical of men who exhibit ‘promiscuous’ behaviour- ironically, it is only amongst our ‘modern, multiplex’ generation that these regressive double-standards are the most prominent.
Agreed overall. “Anyway- I have no problem with people who are of the view that pre-marital relationships are undesirable- it’s just the hypocrisy that annoys me.”- LOL! i am not of ‘that’ view
I did not mean you Saurabh!
Now that I’ve read your explanation, I feel like I was far too harsh in my comment- the problem with blog conversations is that it’s very hard to understand the tone and intent of the person making the comment. Apologies!
Yash uncle, srk and Katrina circulate educational material for youngsters http://m.wikihow.com/Kiss
Ps:^ seems this kiss was really special indeed –just read the ‘step by step’ spoon feeding link
This is called instant, urgent, action !!
Oldgold, sanjana & anya all have become suddenly quiet –hope they are reading the above ‘educational’ YRF link carefully (& with good concentration!)
Will need to be filmed soon–
Once my spoofs are announced , they HAVE to executed to perfection–that’s my principle
Ps: isn’t there any such ‘interaction’ between srk & anushka in JTHJ? Just checking …
There are probably 20-30 comments in this thread that I could delete because they’re just filling space. However in light (!) of the Diwali festivities I shall be more generous. But c’mon guys.. I’m sure you can exchange private emails or numbers or whatever!
Lol @ the ‘light’ of Diwali haha
Everything is allowed n ‘festival’
Satyam–I’m lately noting that u are getting more and more rishi kapooresque ( not the one from karz but from SOTY!!) :-)
saw 15 min of the film somewhere. Couldn’t bear to watch more!
have you watched JTHJ yet? sandy is the only person (non SRK fan) who seems to like the film on this site. would love to know your thoughts on it.
kinda off topic: I wonder why srk and the whole team of JTHJ pronounce the ‘N’ Jaan in JTHJ, especially srk since he is a muslim and comes from Delhi which is a Hindi sprinkled with Urdu speaking belt.
Good point paapaas–didn’t think of that before
Hmm who are your favorite actors
Slightly off topic (only “slightly” because this could affect the BO of these films): Can anyone explain the high security in Mumbai because of Bal Thackeray’s deteriorating health? I read that 1500 extra policemen were stationed around his house to keep the crowds under control, and that the situation is “tense.” What do these crowds (of supporters, presumably) expect? That he will live forever? Why riot in case a natural and normal thing for every human being also happens to BT?
On another note, I can’t understand this custom of everyone going to visit (or mark attendance) a seriously ill person. I’d think the last thing he needs is a bunch of chattering visitors!
Logic and Mob are far apart!
Second part is normal (Visiting sick people).
Munna, visiting sick people is fine if the sick person is up to seeing visitors. If one is “critical” I doubt that that’s the case. Maybe they’re all just going and signing a guestbook, like they did when Amitabh Bachchan was in the hospital for his surgery.
We visit people when people are in ICU. Just for moral support to other family members.
OK, if it is to support the family members, I can understand that. Thanks for patiently explaining.
Mumbai is still tense. People are stocking up essential groceries and medicines and are not stepping out unless it is absolutely necessary. Already there are sporadic stone throwing incidents and shopkeepers are closing their shops. One relief is that Diwali is over. Film and tv shootings are being cancelled and there is every chance of Maharashtra circuit for movies will be affected. Yes, Bachchan’s Kurta was allegedly torn by angry mob and he and his son were injured. That is India for you.
Satyam, I read what you posted on BIgB blog today and I am proud of you for being fearless even with your Hero. I agree with that Hitler thing being not accountable as he did not sign anything. That is the reason why Courts fail victims and thats the reason for the deeprooted frustrations among the victims.
I am shocked and ashamed by the slavery exhibited by so many rich and powerful people.
Sanjana –Thanx for providing the live info from bombay–u surely are valuable stationed in bombay
Some good points by Amy
Btw unlike others–I have doubts about Salman having actually ‘bedded’ Katrina –from the body language etc –one maybe surprised there —the poor guy may have just been a good Samaritan to her career ….(obviously this is an unverifiable info)-so lets keep it there
Also ‘bedding’ a female can be an emotive aspect for female(s) in general and hence needs to be dealt with sensitively imo
This whole ridiculous discussion started because some immature fans were chortling about SRK getting his “revenge” on Salman by kissing his ex-girlfriend on screen. There is so much to object to in that itself, that I’m surprised that that original idiocy has gone unchallenged. First, it conflates on screen acting with off screen personal behavior, which is not true. Then, it treats a woman as a property that can be “owned” by a man, either the present one who is kissing her on screen, or the past one with whom she had a relationship. Where is Ami’s righteous indignation at this characterization? Why is Katrina a passive victim in this scenario? We need to challenge those idiots who get their titillation by equating the actions of a cinematic performance into a personal salacious behavior, and then imagine some undefined rivalry that requires “revenge”, by using a woman sexually. How revolting is this mindset? This is exactly the same mindset that leads to rape being used a weapon of war in many locations in the world, including in India. Let us focus on that, not on the reaction to the words of an imaginary character in a work of fiction. I find all this talk of “bedding” a woman itself disrespectful to those women, who were all free agents and full participants in the decisions they made.
“Where is Ami’s righteous indignation at this characterization? Why is Katrina a passive victim in this scenario? We need to challenge those idiots who get their titillation by equating the actions of a cinematic performance into a personal salacious behavior, and then imagine some undefined rivalry that requires “revenge”, by using a woman sexually”
Excellent comment SM- but the puerile fans who tweeted about SRK kissing Katrina are not even on this blog- and they would not be able to read any of my comments- so I don’t see the point in voicing my righteous indignation against their words.
There is an explanation for that sm. Whether BT dies a natural or unnatural death, there will be people who throw stones and damage public property. That is because they now have a chance to vent their frustrations of their miserable lives and walk away scot-free because for that brief period democracy will be replaced by mobocracy. (You can refer Sunil Dutt’s introduction scene at the railway station in Munnabhai MBBS ..)
In Bangalore, Dr. Rajkumar died at the age of 76 very peacefully and painless in his sleep. Bangalore burned for 1 week. They had also done the same thing when Veerappan kidnapped him. Instead of being thankful that their idol passed away peacefully, they acted thanklessly and brought the city to its knees.
Yes, I was actually thinking of what happened after Raj Kumar died. I couldn’t understand that, either. Basically in India the idea of destroying public property to express frustration (of any sort) seems to be too deeply engrained. I remember a long time ago, a friend from Kolkutta (when it was still Calcutta :) ) joking about how excitable Bengalis were, and said, to give an example, “If a bus doesn’t come on time, or doesn’t come at all, forcing them to wait, then they’ll burn the next bus that comes.” I said, “But how will that help them, since their need was for a bus to get wherever they were going?” And he said, “Ah, nobody thinks of that!” I guess this is similar.
Looking slightly ahead, I found this article interesting:
I found the quote from one Delhi distributor interesting, where he says that Talaash was originally scheduled to release in June, and the theaters had signed a two week agreement then, so now they will have to stick to it. My question is, why? If the producers want to hold exhibitors to an agreement, shouldn’t they also be held accountable to live up to their part of the agreement, i.e., stick to the announced release date? If one party defaults on their part, doesn’t that make the agreement null and void?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the answer is simply that exhibitors are still paid for such a booking and the production takes a hit.
Are you saying that the exhibitors were paid for their theater rental in June, even though the film didn’t release at that time? Interesting idea, if true.
Here’s another (non)review to warm Old Gold’s heart. :)
JAB TAK HAI JAAN Manages Decent Numbers On 3rd Day
“Jab Tak Hai Jaan” is facing stiff competition from SOS at Indian box office while film has completely demolished SOS in overseas as expected. Though still film has manged to keep nose ahead at domestic box office too.
Film did well on opening day with 15 cr nett collections. Film though did not perform as per expectations on 3rd day with collections of 19.50 cr nett. Film is hurting badly with lack of good numbers from north and single screens too failed to perform upto the mark in Central India.
Film has collected 15.50 cr nett on Thursday as per early estimates and this figure can vary depending upon performance of film in late evning and night shows. This is a good figure for the film considering the competition.
Film managed good numbers mainly due to Mumbai, Mysore,West Bengal and Nizam. Overseas is as usual untouched territory for Shahrukh Khan. Film has already taken a record breaking opening in New zealand beating even Hollywood releases there this week. And as per early reports, in Pakistan too film looks to collect 25 lakhs on opening day.
Film should cross or touch 80-85 cr nett in 6 day weekend and worldwide collectiosn of 130 cr. The trend of film’s box office performance from Monday onwards will decide film’s fate. At the moment both the films are enjoying their own territories.
so expect BOI to be around 12-13cr for JTHJ for 3rd day…think this film will end up around 110-115cr…SRK’s best is RaOne with 115cr or so? he’s stuck in that zone.
Jab Tak Hai Jaan Early Estimates: At places the business was higher than Tuesday, single screens dropped. Day 3 should be 14-15 crore nett.
The important point which most of the members don’t want to discuss is the Diwali day effect. Last year when Ra one opened low on the Diwali day and the trade analysts explained the diwali effect on the collections most of the ppl were criticizing them giving the same old lame excuse that trade ppl are biased towards SRK.
This year Diwali day effect theory was proved not by one movie but both the movies. Last year also for Ra one highest collection was in the 2nd day and this year also the same thing happened for both the movies. 3rd collections will also make it quite clear.
I would love to check Ra one’s BO thread again to check those expert comments criticizing BOI…
SON OF SARDAAR Continues To Score On Day Three
“Son Of Sardaar” collecting good numbers from certain territories but the good thing is that its holding up pretty well. Film is completely outstanding in places like interiors of Gujarat, UP and Central India. It is better than JTHJ in all these places consistently.
But then this is the half part of story. Film dropped in metros and that too in high end mutiplexes. That means film has not much appeal in these areas. South and West Bengal are almost out of question and overseas is a big struggle after full fledge release of JTHJ.
Film collected 26.5 cr nett in 2 days and asper early estimates 3rd day easily looks to finish around 12 cr nett. Film might end up with little higher amount depending upon how night shows perform. Film will cross 70 cr nett over the weekend but 75 as well as 100 cr do not look possible.
Film is garnering praise from few quarters for its good performance but how producers going to make money is the biggest question for the film to answer.
Son Of Sardaar: Steady all over, except big city multiplexes (slight drop). Outstanding at mass centres. Early estimate: 11-12 crores.
So i saw Chittagong (the film dealing with the same topic as KHJJS- the Chittagong Uprising) yesterday. It’s an admirable effort and despite some rough edges the film was a moving experience. Now i had liked the Gowarikar film a fair bit (it certainly deserved a better critical reception) but Chittagong is easily the better film- not only is it better acted but is also more energetic .And its biggest asset is that it is told thru the schoolboy’s perspective (he is the protagonist and not surjo sen)
In case anyone is interested I can expand on my views. Will say this though- it has pretty much made it to my best Hindi films of 2012 list
Please do expand, Saurabh. I saw Amu, the earlier film made by this same team, about the 1984 massacre of Sikhs in Delhi after Indira Gandhi’s assassination, and it was also a very impressive film. (My only complaint was how much they had to tone down the truth in order to get a theater release in India.)
I hope u are never accused of being communal.
Anyways i am leaving the blog, as i cant accept such allegations. Its not in me, to accept allegations of being “communal”.
It’s better for me to stay away.
Rooney, please don’t leave the blog. I’m not saying this from a personal perspective of liking your contributions, but from the perspective of principle. So far one person has accused you of being communal. If you are not (which I don’t think you are), you need to stay and challenge that person to prove or withdraw those accusations. Leaving would merely reinforce that kind of irresponsible behavior. As a lawyer admitted to the bar, you have a responsibility to fight for the truth inside and outside the court, and I know you take that responsibility seriously. By leaving, you allow the ignorant and the frivolous to continue unchecked in their unacceptable behavior. So please reconsider.
Rooney- I think that you are one of the fairest and least biased people on the blog, and I am sure that most people on SS would be in agreement with me. It’s only one person here who has this opinion of you and even if you do not wish to dignify such an unreasonable accusation with a response, you could just ignore the person who made this remark and continue interacting with the rest of us, who happent to appreciate your comments.
Thanx Ami for the Kind and sweet words. I will keep ur words with me.
Anyways i dont want to waste comments on this thread on this point, i guess satyam would scratch his head on such comments! better films to discuss and debated on.
Good Morning, and lets move on.
I second that. Rooney, Even OG will miss you.
I completely agree with ur sentiment, but neither this is the right cause, nor the cause worth spending time on. Better fights out there in the world to be fought on far more essential issues.
Listen i dont want to make an issue out of a non-issue, various people have different views on same matter, i joined the blog as College student and it was fun, but after being in public life day in day out, as an officer of the court, i find discussions where in allegations are made personally quite strange. That was one of the reasons that during quite some time, i was being just a visitor of the blog, without active participation. This Diwali I was free and tried to indulge in some discussion, but I find words like communal etc hard to digest, and especially from the part of the world i come from, what i have seen. I am sure human beings have such tendency to go like that, even i guess i might have made same error if any i regret it, but i want to learn to stay away from it.
Neither I have issues with Old Gold, nor i believe in proving someone wrong. I dont like to put myself on trial, just because someone has imagination without knowing someone personally to determine that person as communal.
“Leaving would merely reinforce that kind of irresponsible behavior. As a lawyer admitted to the bar, you have a responsibility to fight for the truth inside and outside the court, and I know you take that responsibility seriously. ”
Fight for truth needs vigour elsewhere and for better people who really need it, the poor, the innocent, and people who are really in deep trouble, dont mind allegations on me, yesterday i took it seriously now i am seeing the funny side, and thus the idea of leaving. Leaving as in going back to visitor side, and a odd comment here and there, as i feel else the energy is wasted for wrong purpose.
Actually i am quite obliged to OldGold, as if she wouldnt have done so, i wouldnt have realised the futileness of all this. I like to feel there is purpose/reason for everything and looking at brighter side. So i guess by leaving i just meant being more a visitor which i had preferred lately.
ps: (not that i agree but … ) One of my friend/mentor always says that being a lawyer it’s important you fight for people and always for people and not for yourself, or for your fights, as neither there’s money in it nor it is worth the time and effort.
Rooney u should remain as ACTIVE as ever, period. You always come across as a gem of a guy. So screw those who like screwing around with you
Rooney, thanks for your comprehensive response.
I won’t belabor the point, but let me just say, in my experience, there is no such thing as issues that don’t matter. Leaving “small” untruths unchallenged leads to having more and more “small” untruths coalesce into “big”, even humongous untruths, that then need a humongous fight to overcome, and they may not be overcome. So it’s better to correct every misrepresented fact at an early stage. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Martin Luther King’s quote: “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” The same thing applies to truth.
The second point I want to make is that I have seen among Indians this belief that to “fight for yourself” is somehow demeaning, and that others should magically (or otherwise) appreciate your true worth. This attitude even persisted at the highest levels of government, and led to many unfortunate policy decisions in the past. So I don’t think you should dismiss personal charges against you so easily. True, it would not be remunerative, but then, if you are perceived to be untrue, untrustworthy, or unfair (as in being communal), it would also affect how willing people are to come to you to fight on their behalf. Just some food for thought.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to go on at length. It’s your decision, and I hope we can continue to enjoy the pleasure of your virtual company. :)
hehe… even i start with small comments but they get elaborated when i finish, we both are guilty at that front.
On rest, let’s enjoy the day, I wont run away that far.
@saurabh, thanx but wont be going that far. thanx for kind words.
I did rather like to read all u people… i believe all of u have great energies for debates… and makes for good reading :)
Rooney, I also just came back after a long hiatus. I generally don’t comment because I don’t want to get into protracted discussions (especially I don’t want to get into “debate” with Satyam! :) ) I just felt that this was a very important point and didn’t want you to leave for that reason. About not having time/energy I fully understand and agree. I’m glad you’ll be sticking around.
I read the synopsis of The End Of The Affair and yes the basis premise of Katrina trading her love for exhange of her lover’s life is picked up from there. But the tone seems a bit different with a thriller element to it. Also Katrina’s character in the book has more complexity and shades. She’s married to a perfectly decent guy whom she cannot come to love. She gets involved with a lover and is living in guilt. His accident she takes as a warning from God of their ‘wrong-doing’ and hence give him up in exchange of his life. The whole thing perfectly falls in place. This is missing in JTHJ so eveything becomes a bit vague and unconvincing.
Also, an extra marital affair was more likely to be looked upon as sin in the 30s when the book was written. Hence the concept makes far more sense. Graham Green’s novels are all about sin and redemption. In JTHJ, there is no ‘sin’ as Katrina is not married, so the lovers’ seperation requires you to take a monster leap of faith.
I’m leaving this blog.
All my life I’ve lived expensive, and now to be called cheap!!!
It’s not to be borne.
Farewell cruel blog!!!!
Correct me if I am wrong OG but no one called u ‘cheap’. What Rooney said was that u took a ‘cheap shot’ which is not the same as being cheap
aa95, no one ahs said Katrina has acted well. Well maybe except Taran and Komal, who of course could not find a single thing wrong in the film.