Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani trailers (updated)

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  1. Between Sajid Khan and this stuff I am sometimes unsure what the lesser evil is! If a gun were put to my head I’d choose this film (after being tempted to call it a day!) and obviously in an absolute sense Ayan Mukherji is aesthetically miles ahead of the Sajid Khan types. Nonetheless the emptiness of these films is so total and so comprehensive I think it even crosses that of the Sajid Khan films. It is certainly not ‘better’ on this score. On this very same terrain a somewhat more meaningful romantic comedy could easily be attempted. All these films have the same existential crisis – I thought life was a party and I just wanted to have fun but then I realized I would have to get serious and stop playing around, compromise with life and marry Deepika Phadukone. Now I’ve understood the meaning of life, I’ve grasped responsibility.

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    • Not sure if you saw this earlier but glad if you could reply to this whenever you have time. Thanks much. I also saw this Mohanlal and Mammootty starrer Twenty:20 last night and found it enjoyable but nothing more

      My Review of THE ATTACKS OF 26/11 (Hindi, 2013)

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    • I get your point but I still maintain that Wake Up Sid was a good film and much better than Anjaana Anjaanis, LAKs and Dostanas.

      Reading your comment also reminded of Priyan. When he entered Bollywood he was making more substantial, hard-hitting and meaningful films- Gardish, Virasat, Doli Saja Ke Rakhna, Kabhi Na Kabhi, Kalapani, Sapney etc (I mean even his early comedies such as Hera Pheri were more plot-centric)- but sadly nothing really worked. And then came Hera Pheri and he moved to making slighter films which mostly worked well. And notice how this shift in the genre also coincided with the shift in the settings of his films from rural to urban landscape- a Hera Pheri (I know it was not set in a village but this was not Dil Chahta Hai either) gives way to Garam Masala, De Dana Dan and Bhaagam Bhaag. And IMO his films are almost always more effective when set in villages/hamlets (not the least because his visuals come out better).

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      • Priyadarshan is part of a generation/type of filmmaker that I think is becoming or has become extinct or obsolete in modern mainstream Hindi cinema. He was one of those guys from the 80s/90s who were basically working like machines. The films weren’t all masterpieces or anything but there’s something remarkable about that kind of output. Especially considering how filmmakers work today. These workhorse directors are pretty much a thing of the past. Filmmakers today take five years to release a movie that, all things considered, end up every bit as mediocre or only slightly better than something slapped together by Priyan in his busiest period.

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        • Re: “Filmmakers today take five years to release a movie that, all things considered, end up every bit as mediocre or only slightly better than something slapped together by Priyan in his busiest period.”

          That’s a money quote. When I think of someone like Desai in the late 1970s, churning out the likes of AAA, Parvarish, Chacha Bhatija and Dharam Veer in a 3-4 year period, and then I look at these guys taking several years to produce a piece of shit, I begin to believe in the theory of devolution…Plus, we didn’t have to bear smugness with the old guard…

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        • ideaunique Says:

          but who takes 5 years these days?? at the most when aamir is involved in the project – it stretches to a year or two – but the end results is good from all P.O.V. Who else? gowarikar? SLB? the later has become wiser and turned a producer of masala stuff also. Priyan is already in his directing career’s graveyard.

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      • WUS was better than the other two but I disagree on Dostana. While I’m no great fan of the latter either there is a genuine pushing of the envelope here while there is no such thing in WUS. Actually among films loosely part of this ‘genre’ I thought Rock On was the best as it at least represented a sense of disappointment with precisely the Karan Johar world (or his kind of illusion).

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        • Oh I did not like Dostana (Abhishek was good though). Agreed on Rock On.

          On WUS if you notice we have not had many coming-of-age films in recent times. The other thing it was not a rom-com (there was hardly any comedy) and the romantic relationship between Ranbir and Konkana was understated. A film in the same genre which is much superior is Prakash Jha’s Hip Hip Hurray- it was not Udaan or Vijeta but seemed very sharp when it came out

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        • Hip Hip Hooray hasn’t aged as well but still worth watching. on WUS I gave it a second shot sometime back. It’s certainly alright for the genre but I didn’t see anything significant here. The problem with these coming of age attempts out of Bollywood is that they neither have the serious ambition to truly say something important (which in this case might include arguing against precisely the worldview that these films always end up peddling on both sides of the equation..) nor are they noteworthy accomplishments at a more ‘lyric’ or naturalistic level (if you will). Is WUS way better than something like ZNMD? Absolutely. But that’s not saying much.

          On Dostana it is actually not at all surprising that only on this subject is Johar progressive. Because here he has to be ahead of the curve to even be able to bring about this representation. When you then combine it with his usual sins in terms of setting up the lifestyle coordinates he does he again ends up normalizing gays far more than is otherwise the case in some of the other more earnest attempts (not that I’m necessarily criticizing them). In US terms Johar is a kind of gay marriage advocate! What I mean by this is… in Dostana you have a much better first half in every sense eventually ‘Joharized’ in the second with the usual KKHH elements popping up. All of this is just about redeemed by an ambiguous ending. But in a way this ambiguity is inherent in the gay rights movement in the US. Strategically I understand why they would want all the legal privileged associated with marriage. On the other hand I have questions about gay rights being framed purely as the shadow of straight rights! So gay marriage ends up confirming what is essentially a traditional social order. The very order from within which ‘gays’ are seen as an ‘unnatural’ intrusion. Of course there is yet another side here which is that the more a notion of gay marriage gets normalized the more this more enduring of social frameworks gets destabilized. So there are two ways to look at it but there are still these contradictions. The Johar set of choices in Dostana reflects this. Which nonetheless does not excuse the second half of that film because leaving aside all of this it is narratively poorer as well.

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  2. haha good one satyam–the title is entertaining indeed–
    “why boys have better sex or why aunties never do it”
    haha
    btw havent seen the promo yet–but deepika looks different—somewhat ‘normal’ with the glasses on–like the ‘natural’ look

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  3. ok folks–just checked this promo–liked it and will try to catch this one on the big screen.
    A 100 crore hit for ranbir (after barfi)
    as for deepika–liked her nerdy? look
    the point for ranbir though (and something wherein he still lags behind hr) is inspite of everything going for him here and with real life ex and deft promos by kjo like ( in 2 min i will fall in love again)–all we are content from his is another 100 crores
    when will he reach the HR scenario wherein he can outnumber everyone when he strikes—i suspect that willl take time
    but like the way ranbir is ‘mixing it up’ (not talking bout deepika here)

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  4. satyam – such films are purely business-oriented – take RK/DP and have a youthful title and script (which wud be a joke on the face of it) – so u get ur 50cr 1st week – then if a song or two becomes hit and no other film is around if 10 min or so in the film turns out to be too good – critics will go orgasmic – add another 25 cr week and so – all will be rich and happy and will go back to sleep 🙂

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    • oh I know that’s true.. it’s purely a safe business proposition for Ranbir to balance out some of the other stuff and keep the base happy. My point though is that one can do both. Something a bit more meaningful on this terrain would actually be a better business proposition as well.

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      • but i think he is trying that too – he did barfi……is doing KK biopic…..

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        • not really. When he does commercial stuff he goes the Johar way or something similar. When he does different it’s not the kind of risk that would make these other choices seem more reasonable. It’s always a more calculated risk in the sense that the subjects are ultimately considered ‘cool’ by multiplex audiences in a certain Hollywood sense and then once you get past the surface you have a fairly regular film. As in Barfi. Kishore Kumar is similarly one of the most ‘in’ cultural figures for the same audience. Kashyap is at his peak. And so on. There’s a different that’s truly risky and there’s one that is definitely better than the alternatives but not very edgy once one gets past the obvious. In other words if you’re doing something that’s not likely to be even a limited box office success you have probably more right to do the unbelievably mediocre with Anjaana Anjaani or whatever. But if you’re getting a 100 crores out of Barfi anyway you can surely do something more meaningful on the Johar terrain. Again all of this isn’t necessarily a criticism because I get why he’s making these choices. But I have never had much taste for predictable (if not cynical) careers. Even when the greatest stars engage in the same. And it’s not a question of being some sort of purist here. In any case this wasn’t the point I started out with. I think leaving aside the Barfi sort of choice (or whatever) the romantic comedies could be better than they are. And Bollywood has somehow convinced itself (and its audiences) that one can either do better stuff that doesn’t work or one has to plumb the depths of banality and worse. This is a false choice. It is precisely on commercial terrain that you have the safety net to attempt better things.

          The same goes for masala incidentally. Most of these films that end up doing 100-130 crores, sometimes more, really ought to be doing 175 or more (assuming it’s not an ETT-like initial in which case it should be a lot more than that!). It’s just that these films are terribly poor. No more than junk entertainment that can’t even last the week let alone anything more.

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        • where wud u put Besharm? johar terrain or barfi? he is also doing that one..

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        • Will have to wait and see here. Abhinav Kashyap is hopefully doing something better than usual here and presumably he has more control this time around. But still this is not the sort of subject that is otherwise terribly ambitious. It might be a worthwhile film because of Kashyap’s treatment but it’s certainly not a box office risk!

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        • he also has two more movies Roy and Aap ka saya in next 2 years – don’t know anything abt them though

          http://www.seekersfind.in/ranbir-kapoor-upcoming-movies-2013-2014/

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        • think I’ve read about Roy in some context, I believe it’s regular fare more or less.

          Again don’t mean to be harsh on Ranbir. I am usually arguing against the media narrative which I find absurd on him. But beyond this I think his choices as a combination of the commercial and the commercially meaningful could be a lot better than they are, even allowing for the fact that he probably wants some box office safety either way.

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  5. This kind of thing also makes Ranbir seem like a very average actor. He definitely doesn’t have the flamboyance or charm of a 90s SRK to carry such fluff.

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    • agreed completely.. I’ve always felt anyway that Ranbir lacks screen presence. In the 90s whatever else one might have said about him SRK had flamboyance, specially for the parts he was doing.

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    • henry – and still he carries such fluff and comes out a winner….so the absence of f.b. doesn’t matter or not everyone thinks on that line

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      • well that’s partly about the media narrative. But there’s nothing special about coming out a winner with fluff or bargain basement entertainment in any genre. That’s exactly what every star is doing! Certainly those are the films that work the most. Not that is necessarily a correlation anyway. In the right kind of film the absence of flamboyance might not maximize the gross but it’s not going to flop the film either!

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      • Somehow Ranbir seems to be the right man at the right time. SRK’s flamboyance is also hamming outrageously and getting away with it. Thank god, Ranbir is not that flamboyant. For such a young career, he already has some good films to his credit and nothing very bad. Ranbir seems to have all the plus points of the reigning stars in a strange sort of mix. That maybe the reason for his acceptance by both the classes and masses. Though he may not carry a film like Ghajini or Dabnagg, he can definitely carry any of the SRK starrers easily. There is something common between them.

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        • agree on all points here sanjana

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        • I very much doubt that Ranbir can carry Don, Chak De, Baazigar, Darr, Devdas, Swades, Dil Se, DDLJ (just a few examples) as Shahrukh did. And of course, I agree that he can’t carry films like Ghajini or Dabangg either. And regarding the point about hamming, I somewhat agree with you, though, I think that Shahrukh knows his limitations and he was able to choose characters which fit well into that kind of attitude. Of course, he has matured as an actor (as most actors do) and he has matured in a very controlled manner where he found out his weaknesses and worked on them. Of course, some of the movie he did were misjudgements (is that a word? well it is now) on his part. So, it’s pretty even. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t care. Who cares. Whatever. 😐

          Regarding the trailer, looks mediocre. ( It seems that so many topics on this blog-site seem to veer off to SRK for some reason :O )

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        • A well balanced SRK fan, if you are an SRK fan. For roles like Chak De, Ranbir has to become a man from a boy.

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        • I am an SRK fan. 🙂
          But, I think Ranbir couldn’t pull of a Baazigar or Darr or Anjaam as well as Shahrukh did. He could do some of the other stuff such as Deewana, Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, possibly Veer Zaara, Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham.
          Well balanced, and objective, I am. But thanks for the kind (kind enuf) words. ^_^

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        • ranbir will do romance and other roles except for action for next 10 years and then take Salman route…….

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        • Well, let’s not make any predictions. Let’s just see where he goes, though, I must say that he has great potential in the industry.

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  6. Meh! Usual rom com.

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  7. ‘Badtameez Dil’—yo ranbir–way 2 go….im wid u
    and whats the nice girl deepika wearing here
    where are the cute glasses –i liked that ‘nerdy’ look

    & hey help me out with this one ladies—
    whats deepika wearing with her sari–is that really a ‘bluse’ or deepika dancing around in a shiny bra –haaaw
    feel like closing my eyes–cover up plz 🙂

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  8. Such Erie Silence.. Why ???

    When ppl here spent loads of bandwidth on those who cant dance and act :P, and so much deliberate silence on RK song.. Is’t coz he somehow destroys all the so called imaginary competition out of the window..

    Is’t becoz Kapoor lad will throw bachchan lad out of competition ???

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    • check out my first comment..! This video in its utter banality is more evidence of the same.

      On the rest, and speaking only with respect to Abhishek, I’d say ‘what competition’?! Unfortunately Abhishek is going to prove me right in a box office sense with films that I am not all all happy about! I have a more serious yardstick in mind, the very performances and films I’ve talked about in the past. But it’s also not competition in my mind because I consider him [Abhishek] superior to everyone else also! For most these debates are only about the box office and as I’ve said before Abhishek has mastered the fine art of keeping neither fans nor detractors happy. Earlier he was doing the right films but many did not work. The fans were initially happy, the detractors were upset. Later the latter were happy, the former were upset. But then the detractors got upset again and the fans similarly happy as he seemed to keep getting such films. Finally he got into serious box office trouble and switched sides. Now seeing box office success and sensing more of it the detractors pretend he’s only a sell-out or he’s doing unworthy films and so on while the fans (at least those like myself) are unhappy once more!

      Getting back to Ranbir and again to repeat myself I don’t mind him at all. Even like him at points but I just haven’t seen anything to truly interest me so far. Would still take his Rocket Singh over anything else he’s done. I think that relative to his talents and persona at this point that part was a more convincing fit than anything else he’s done. Which is not say that he’s not been satisfactory or better elsewhere. Just not particularly interesting. I do give him credit for Rockstar though because he held things together in a part that required variation. But people should watch Bobby closely and see how far he is from his father just in that early film. And Rishi Kapoor unlike Amitabh Bachchan is not an impossible standard. I’m not even using something like AAA where Rishi was fantastic.

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      • Senior Bachchan himself is more than all the Kapoors combined together past, present and future. And Ranbir still has to reach the present top league inspite of all those awards and praise.

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        • Its Lad not Sr Bachchan. NO sane person can question Sr bachchan. Why you alwys shift the import of comment to something never said or meant 🙂

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        • But one cant compare even the lads as they belong to different generations. Abhishek can be compared to Hrithik and Ranbir can be compared to Imran Khan. If we take starsons or star relatives as the basis, then also Ranbir has miles to go to prove himself and not a temporary phenomenon. There is that hare and tortoise story.

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        • I actually don’t believe in this, and if you’ll excuse me for saying this, bourgeois argument where as in an office job people prove their worth and over time get a promotion of some sort and are recognized this way. There are very few actors in any industry who totally surprise one in terms of doing something completely unexpected. Or whose early periods betray no trace of a later shock (of the event). Generally speaking there are always traces. So my ABhishek claim for instance doesn’t rest on Yuva or whatever. I think the signs are already there in Refugee and in some other early stuff though the overall presentation is still very rough and inconsistent. What is revealed in Yuva then doesn’t surprise me in the sense that I had some expectation of this happening given the right development and opportunities. By the same token I would be genuinely surprised if I saw Ranbir do something like Yuva (not in the sense of the same exact part but any part which surprised me in a similar way). Actors can get better over time but that’s not what I’m arguing against. My claim is: if one thinks there are actors who were not at all interesting in their initial outings but who then became very good later one on has perhaps not been looking in the right places!

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        • Agree with Satyam that ranbir hasn’t come up with anyThing like yuva or guru yet.
          Imo ranbirs best role /film yet has been rockstar (though love rocket Singh as a film)- ranbir has to work on his ‘screen presence’ more

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        • i like ranbir a lot and am not a big abhi fan. but i agree that there is too much hoopla around ranbir, which is not justified based on what he has done so far. he is charismatic (this song is a case in point, he is the only one making this watchable in an almost shammi kapoor fashion and that’s why the camera is focused on him the whole time, totally ignoring the women too). he is also mixing it up really well and making some good choices. but as far as talent is concerned, he is not yet even as good as rishi was in mera naam joker as a teenager, forget bobby or anything later. there is a long way to go for him.

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        • sanjana Says:

          The problem is that it is difficult to attack Bachchan senior as he is considered by now as some heritage structure, holy cow, history, legend etc.And it is easy to attack Abhishek and get away with it. For some attacking Abhishek is indirectly attacking Amitabh and for some attacking Abhishek is anger against the privileged. Of course there are some who genuinely criticise abhishek for genuine reasons.

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  9. haha bliss. Agree. Ranbir is doing well here. Liked him in rockstar and he isnt looking back.
    btw im still confused about deepika in this song–its good to see her embrace sari but one wonders if it is a ‘blouse’ or a ‘bra’.
    Know some european girls who feel sari is very ‘revealing’–I felt that ironic & laughable–but seeing these sort of songs, i somewhat agree
    haha

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  10. So it is automatic that you copy not only name of the film but other things.

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  11. Ha so even the name of the film is copied.
    “So it is automatic that you copy not only name of the film but other things.”-
    Note oldgold that The sari is copied but not the style of sari–it’s the new ‘YouTube version’ of sari (aka anya style) that deepika is wearing here 🙂

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  12. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    Amazing how just one film makes a butterfly break free from her cocoon. I am talking about Depika and Cocktail of course.

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  13. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    Not really. It IS time to move beyond Guru Dutt. And I am glad people like Anurag Kashyap are doing it. Let’s tell today’s stories in today’s language. No sepia toned nostalgia for me.

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  14. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    Given a choice of watching a scene featuring the song , ” Saqia aaj mujhe neend nahin’ and ‘ Electric Piya’, I will take Electric Piya.

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    • Kashyap is a Shock Jockey….
      case in point – TGIYB….

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    • >It IS time to move beyond Guru Dutt.
      Only way is to crawl round him.

      >Let’s tell today’s stories in today’s language.
      The Wannabe language?

      >No sepia toned nostalgia for me.
      Black and white will do for me.

      >Given a choice of watching a scene featuring the song , ” Saqia aaj mujhe neend nahin’ and ‘ Electric Piya’, I will take Electric Piya.

      Promise? Promise you’ll take Electric Piya or whatever which is easily reachable with no fear of dropping and breaking?
      Thank you so much!!!!

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      • LOL,OG!!
        You are so right. The whole AK lionisation reeks of a wannabe attitude. AK is gifted no doubt but GOW is not really a great film. IMO.

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      • “Let’s tell today’s stories in today’s language.
        The Wannabe language?”–hahaha og
        btw nice song–saw few secs of it-
        oops all that fun is taking its toll–deadlines killin again..
        arrgh wheres my ‘mental coach’ anu 🙂

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  15. ideaunique Says:

    satyam – pl have a new post on aamir’s new godrej ads

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  16. mksrooney Says:

    Every generation have it’s own heroes and people who make and defined the generation they live in.

    I have always felt the same in regard for amitabh, for a generation born and brought up on him, he’s the legend, and case in point for a generation of aamir or srk or salman, they are the legends! and it about them they would speak of and remember.

    And same goes about Guru Dutt and Kashyap comparison, for a generation gone, dutt was a legend, and for this generation kashyap is legend, it is like there cant be inter generational equity, one has to respect Dutt, for his era, and kashyap for today’s era, one cant sleep over kashyap’s achievement and his meaning for his generation to whom he caters…..

    IMO I respect both. But given a choice, as a youth from this generation i shall be ted bias for our generation actors/directors.

    I prefer aamir over amitabh, as from when i started watching films i havent seen the latter do any exceptional script. It’s just a generational thing, like messi is more dear to me than say pele!! it doesnt take away respect for pele or amitabh for what they achieved in past, but today’s colour are messi, kashyap, aamir etc

    Similarly i believe i would watch a kashyap over Dutt. Quite simple it’s a generational thing.

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    • ideaunique Says:

      “I prefer aamir over amitabh, as from when i started watching films i havent seen the latter do any exceptional script. It’s just a generational thing, like messi is more dear to me than say pele!! it doesnt take away respect for pele or amitabh for what they achieved in past, but today’s colour are messi, kashyap, aamir etc”

      Lawyer-saab – I am in A’bad for few days – lets meet? my e-id is janak@be-search.com – send me an email with further details.

      Aamir ki kasam – i’d love to meet 🙂

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    • Rooney. this is ALL theory.
      Most of the ‘old film’ lovers weren’t even born when the classics like Mirza Sahiban etc were made. Some may have been very young in 50s or 60s to have even seen films of that era.

      Personally I have been pushed into watching old films because they seem *genuine* – not wannabe (I love this American word. It hits the nail on the head).

      I confess it could also be blamed on the fact that now I live in the west, and to see people trying so much to impersonate/copy this culture. puts me off. Perhaps it looks all cool and modern (euphemism for mindless pretentions) – but it makes me cringe. Of course, to be precise it’s mostly ‘americanism’ that’s copied (making it even worse LOL) Sorry.

      Yes, Amir and Salman are less prone to this (at least in their present films), though I shudder to think of Amir on a motorbike in Chicago(?) being a macho unlike Hrithik Roshan doing the same.
      As for the Barbie doll heroines (over whom young, middle aged, and old men all drool), even if I were the ‘young’ 20s I would dislike their unintelligent decorative roles.
      Not saying that the heros always have intelligent roles, but at least he’s not being just decorative, rising out of water/pool.

      On the other hand, these contemporary films have to be watched – because that’s what is available, but with the knowledge of what I’ve already expressed. I watch them too, almost all of them (online 😀 ) I know I’m encouraging piracy, but that’s the intention, so that these big budget, films go bankrupt, and all are forced to make small budget, which are great. Recent film that I’ve liked a lot has been OMG.

      One has intelligence to judge, I hope – if not the age 😉

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  17. Balam Pichkari is really an excellent fun song, probably best Holi song having youngsters after ages … Last good one was Holi Khele Raghubira from Baghbaan .. the one from Waqt was complete fail.

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  18. Balam Pichkari

    Perhaps those like oldgold/anya may guide with her hindi knowledge, but isnt there a double entrende in this terms ‘balam pichkari’ lol
    Anyhow watched it for a few seconds till
    0.28 where deepika breaks up into ‘girl on girl’ action–yeah
    Anyhow–enuf of a ‘break’

    When deadlines are running after u(due to past sins), watching a half-video is all one can get!!
    the slogathon continuez……what days….

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  19. Haha lol@ ‘dilliwaali girlfriend’ chhor kar…
    Yup like this song ..
    Deepika is looking good here…..let’s see anyone can play deepika here.? Lol

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    • I’m waiting for the ‘anti-handsome-men’ brigade to come comment on how ‘plastic’ and ‘repulsive’ Deepika’s super-toned, gym-honed midriff is! Or is it only the sight of toned male bodies that outrage them so immensly? 😛

      and yes, she does look really good here.

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      • You are talking like apex 🙂
        She does look good but the movie looks like another regular KJO movie.

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        • How am I talking like Apex? I am just really amused by the many commentators on the Raanjha trailer who are so utterly horrified by the idea of good-looking, hunky men. And a body as perfectly toned as Deepika’s is no more ‘natural’ than a sculpted six-pack.

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        • Agree that the movie looks very cliched and inane (a definete regression from WUS, which although frothy, was a pelasant and sincere effort), I do like the Badtameez Dil song though, it is really catchy.

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        • agreed on WUS. I was complaining about that film and now Johar comes up with this! Johar has entered this weird stage of his career, actually for a while now, where as opposed to his two initial films he was at least sincere (whatever one thinks of the films otherwise) in that he really believed in this stuff, he’s since either made ‘aspirational’ movies with SRK (trying to pull an Aamir for him and failing royally each time) or else being active as a produce making small or smaller (Ranbir, Imran.. whatever) multiplex films which seem like totally cynical attempts even for him. There was the odd Kurbaan which probably persuaded him not to touch drama or a more (within the multiplex format) justifiable Dostana (which was at least subversive in certain ways) and finally the masala Agneepath attempt. All these choices have more or less made him somewhat extinct as a director. He’s followed Aditya Chopra’s lead on this score. But most of these films including the two recent SRK ones aren’t sincere attempts. History has passed him by, he clearly cannot do KKHH anymore. But he’s also not willing to direct some of these other films where inarguably he could probably do better commercially. He doesn’t want to direct at all if the film cannot incorporate SRK. Obviously this takes out YJHD or Dostana or whatever. And of course there’s no great incentive for him to direct anyway since he’s doing well enough as a producer and more importantly is a celebrity anyway. he has been a cultural presence for very long. Aditya Chopra meanwhile barring some big obvious projects has also turned in more rooted directions (by his standards). Even D3 noteworthily has Vijay Krishna Acharya who’s just done Tashan. Here I at least spot a certain direction though it’s once again mystifying why Aditya Chopra is so uninspired to direct anything. Both these hot shots from the 90s really just had a film or two each in them! Which is perhaps not surprising looking at the very basic films DDLJ and KKHH (though I think DDLJ is a classic there’s not much here to develop.. similarly whatever the virtues of Mohabbatein or K3G might or might not be they’re glorified attempts of these same older films.. beyond this Johar pretended to turn serious with KANK and MNIK and Chopra delivered the atrocity otherwise known as RNBDJ) were.

          Of course the more charitable interpretation here is that the 90s passed by both of these figures and faced with the challenge of newer brands of cinema they have responded as best they could. I still think Aditya Chopra was on his best day a significantly superior director. Even on that terrain some bits of Mohabbatein are truly well-directed. It would serve Aditya Chopra well not really direct a film he believes in once again and take some risks. As always and at whatever level of the game these guys lose their edge pretty early. So Aditya Chopra once made DDLJ with the hero of Baazigar and Darr. Not the most obvious choice. Since then it’s been about going in more and more obvious directions. I still give him credit as a producer for enabling some of the stuff he has but he really needs to return to direction and make something worthwhile. Specially now since the father’s detritus (VZ, JTHJ), with all due respect, is off his back. Johar on the other hand simply has too much of a bubble-gum sensibility to be able to do more.

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        • Have to agree with Amy on this. –“I am just really amused by the many commentators on the Raanjha trailer who are so utterly horrified by the idea of good-looking, hunky men.”
          “And a body as perfectly toned as Deepika’s is no more ‘natural’ than a sculpted six-pack.”— don’t worry Amy– let’s put the treadmill in the H to some use …(to attain ‘tone’) 🙂

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        • LOL! I’m not criticizing Deepika, just pointing out that it takes as much effort to achieve Deepika’s physique as it does Hrithik’s. And just like many male actors (ab)use steroids, many female actors resort to surgery or go on unhealthy starvation diets.

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        • Well pointed out Amy — agree
          This sort of ‘partiality’ should be exposed (either ways) …
          Ps Amy : c’mon let’s ‘rehearse’ for this song spoof for the next few days & work out to attain ‘Tone’ 🙂

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        • My issue with Ranjhaa is strong southern accent from lead when they want to show him a Banarsi.

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        • nice to see you here again ami, you are becoming rare 🙂

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      • There u go!
        The ‘dee pika’ for this song has landed for me–Amy!!! 🙂
        C’mon let’s start ‘rehearsing’ for this song
        And btw — even the lyrics are a bit uncanny–“dilliwaali girlfriend chhor kar!!” –go figure …. 😉

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      • I am replying since I am–oh hell–I am the MAIN member of the ‘anti-handsome-men’ brigade as you put it eloquently..

        I am not a politician to keep commenting on both sides to keep everyone happy. There are MANY who feel the same about the decorative status of leading women in films. I do not have to underscore the fact that I am equally repulsed by such ‘vacuous’ filled-out-where-people-deem-necessary and ironed-out-where-deem-necessary women as I am by the heroes with their abs and whatever..

        And my problem is NOT with actors that are blessed or manufactured with good looks/physique. My problem is when I see the audience being ‘conditioned’ to accept that this is the IDEAL toward which one should strive: And hence all other primaries of an acting career like ‘acting’, good command over language (Is there is a SINGLE actor today in Hi fi that can start and complete a sentence in one language?? The ONLY actor who I have heard do that is Amitabh Bachchan.), preparedness are deemed secondary. In the ’80s, we had actors like Anil Kapoor and others enrolling in Roshan Taneja’s acting classes in Bombay even though they were competent enough actors to better themselves; not join some Gold’s gym in Bandra to get 12 packs. Today’s debutantes come to the studio straight from the gym..that’s the only kind of ‘training’ they feel is required if they want to be actors. And this trend is so unhealthy (pun intended) that even actors like Ajay Devgn have succumbed to it. So far it is only Abhishek Bachchan who I have seen not falling prey to this. But you see what he is LABELLED for not doing that exactly? A lazy, laid-back actor. This is the kind of stigma that is now being associated with non-gym actors. And an absolutely 3rd-grade actor like John Abraham has survived for more than 12 years and continues to get roles based on his ‘meat.’ (which I think actors like him have taken in the ‘literal’ sense..)

        And that’s why I am as disappointed with Konkona not getting enough lead actress roles as I am with Nawaz not getting enough lead roles and being pushed to the ‘character’ actor zone very early in their careers.

        There is a career called ‘modelling’ if you want good looks and physique to be the ‘be-all’ and ‘end-all’. But if you want something more, that’s when you learn something called ‘acting’.

        The whole ‘gym-body’ malaise is a sub-set of the greater consumerism super-bazaar (credit to Satyam’s phrase) that has afflicted the Hi fi.

        And the Tamil and Telgu film industries are equally horrendous for bringing in those ‘North-Indian’ fair-skinned girls and making them heroines in movies based in Rameshwaram or Nellore and ‘adjusting’ the story-line to incorporate them!! What the hell are these actresses like Tamannah or Tapasee or xyz from the North have EXCEPT for the ‘fair’ skin? In what way is Tamannah or Kangana or Preity Zinta better than Priyamani?

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        • fantastic comment An Jo!

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        • don’t disagree with anything you said. it’s become a circus. but the other side of this is, it all really depends on what these actors are doing. there is a space for the ‘good looking vacuous’ actors everywhere in the world. they involve themselves in superficial popcorn entertainment where the only qualification is to look good. people like matthew mcconaughey also made a career out of taking off their shirts in inconsequential films. but he has also done amistad, lincoln lawyer etc. all the mainstream male and female leads in hw have great bodies that they work hard on, but flaunting it is not what they do all the time, it’s used as a tool as and when appropriate. they do films where their talent is also in the mix.
          the problem is, mainstream films have become increasingly vacuous (in hw too, but in bw, it’s worse) lately. why should devgan not work on six-pack abs, since that’s all the work he is doing these days. they serve him well in classics like bb and golmaal and singham. it’s not like he is attaching himself to gangajal or zakhm any more. going to the gym is all that is required of him these days. as for abhishek, when he is doing raavan and guru, it doesn’t matter. but if he is going to be part of dhoom, where people take off most of their clothes and walk in slow motion, he is going to be expected to play the part. it’s all symptomatic of how ’empty’ things have become overall. and the audience is responsible too. i also understand ami’s point, people will be a lot less forgiving of a female putting on weight and being frumpy. vidya has circumvented it to some extent by involving herself in films that don’t have those requirements. can you imagine her being a part of dhoom? so standards are different at the end of the day.

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        • I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. However (and I think An Jo would agree) that the difference is that while in Hollywood there is space for this kind of aesthetic and while there is equally one in the larger culture it does not define ALL discussions in this context. In other words a performance is ultimately not judged based on these factors nor is the worth of actors measured this way. Even in box office discussions where the physicality of a star is always an important factor it is not stressed as much. In other words if a younger star isn’t doing well no analyst will say ‘he should start going to the gym’! Unless of course there’s some obvious issue. Similarly the discussion of cinema itself isn’t governed by such factors cosmetic factors. The opposite is true for Bollywood in both cases. It isn’t that Hrithik or John does his own thing and Abhishek does his and so on but that the Hrithik ideal is considered the only legitimate one which other stars young and old must then aspire to. Unless there’s a very good reason not to (as with Guru or whatever). So yes younger stars even in Hollywood have gym bodies, they developed this ideal before it went global. And of course we see the same insistence in all kinds of representations of beauty on magazine covers and TV shows and so forth. But this is a cultural factor that highlights a moment in history, it does not at all govern the critical culture that surrounds cinema. Even relating to synthetic efforts where critics criticize these works routinely but are not as bothered by the physical suitability (or otherwise) of the stars in question.

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        • oh i agree completely, that’s what i was saying too. that there is the same cultural obsession with physicality in hw but cinema discussions don’t revolve around this (in fact, these discussions are relegated to tabloids)

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        • I agree with Anu. Aamir khan inspite of his physical limitations has overcome them and he is able to star in Dhoom which was unthinkable even for a diehard fan of him like myself. Of course ghajini paved way for this.

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        • I don’t know how hard the cameraman will have to work to show him tall/macho types. The reason why anyone overcomes the limitations of height in a film like Dhoom has no other reason. Nothing brave on Amir’s part here. Like in Gajhani, though there’s a scee where he’s lying on a table in the hospital where he looks sooo short.
          *mew*

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        • Aamir has to be brave when he is under oldgold’s scanner 24*7!

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        • An Jo- the ‘anti-handsome-men-brigade’ comment was a joke, sorry if it offended you. I doagree with your overall point, but IMO you take it too far by writing the most vitriolic commments about Hrithik ( who is hardly a talentless mannequin in the John/ Katrina level) simply because he has a 6-pack or cheering Danush on simply because of the wayhe looks (when you yourself admit that he looks like a misfit in the role). Being handsome is no sin, and being ‘unconventional’ is not a qualification in itself!
          The most successful younger actor today (Ranbir) does not have anything approaching a 6-pack body whilst John’s career is floundering, so clearly a 6-pack is not the absolute necesdity that you make it sound like. At the same time, film is a visual medium, and even in Hollywood, a Nawaz/ Paul Giamatti type of actor would never be avcepted as a romantic or action hero…what they would get are prestige roles with big directors, which Nawaz is certainly getting now! I do agree that this could still be improved uponbut I think that the way to do it is by embracing a more diverse looking range of actors, not dismissing the Hrithiks and Deepikas of the world as too repylsively perfect looking! (Attacking John and Katrina for their absolute woodenness would be underatandable, but bot because their bodies are too toned!)

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        • Didnt mean Paul Giamatti- trying to think of the name of the HW actor I wanted to compare with Nawaz, but its presently slipped my mind…

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        • “Hrithik ( who is hardly a talentless mannequin in the John/ Katrina level) simply because he has a 6-pack or cheering Danush on simply because of the wayhe looks (when you yourself admit that he looks like a misfit in the role). Being handsome is no sin, and being ‘unconventional’ is not a qualification in itself!”– hav to agree.
          “Attacking John and Katrina for their absolute woodenness would be underatandable, but bot because their bodies are too toned!)”- yup…
          Finally found a hritik supporter here hehe

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        • Also,simpky criticizing the prevailing physicality alos too simplistic. Unlike in the case of Caucasian women being used in Bolly and North Indian women in Kolly, which is purely rooted in the unfortunate fetishization of fair skinned women in India, the gyn bodies actualky serve a purpose: they best suit the dumb, flamboyant brand of male machismo and the condumerist objectification if the female body that have become the norm in Bollywood. So its not just about employing thespains, the challenge is to create a mainstream filmic space for which they will be suitable. As long as the dumbed-down biceps-and-bombshells neo masala, designer-perfect ‘youth films’ and Shiela-esque item numbers reign supreme, then it will make far more sense for the current stats to be at the top than for a Nawaz or Konkana. So by critizing John’s muscleclad frame you are really attacking the symptom and not the cause.

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        • this too is a fair point. And it could be argued that the Hrithik/John brand of sexuality represents a non-threatening sort unlike that of the older macho types. It is also true that there is a symmetry between men and women in this sense. Female bodies were always sexualized. Now male bodies are in comparable ways. But speaking for myself my issue isn’t with the fact that Hrithik or John exist or that everyone else also aspires to a gym body. The issue with respect to Bombay cinema is that this has become the dominant standard to the extent of blocking out other options. Abhishek weirdly enough is not the worst off here. Despite the great negativity he often faces on this score (though one could argue it is again part and parcel of a larger issue) he can afford to be (within reason) the exception to the rule by relying on his ‘Bachchan’ status. Not because of privilege but rather for the reason that the notion of a gym body is not easily attached to the signature. And sure enough no one had a problem with him when he was doing well. No one held the lack of a gym body against him. But this would almost impossible for anyone else to pull off. The Konkona or Nawazudding alternative represents a false choice because these actors are not stars in any mainstream sense and wouldn’t be even with gym bodies. Much as Rani Mukherjee could be one even without it (though again she arrived in an earlier age when standards in this sense weren’t as uniform). The question is whether there can be mainstream stars doing regular fare without relying on gym bodies. And the answer would appear to be in the negative. Yes this is symptomatic of larger entertainment choices that are as ‘synthetic’. Which then should also be criticized.

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        • Sorry, typos galore! Im not used to writing long comments on my phone…

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        • If calling Hrithik an average actor whose talent lies more in his looks than in his histrionics makes me vitriolic, so be it. I am not attacking the symptoms but the film-culture (if that’s what can be called for what exists in India in the name of film reviews and analysis) that emanates out of such ‘conditioning.’ Hrithik fits the bill great for D2 or Krishh 124 but when the same guy acts in Guzaarish or whatever, inspite of putting in a barely agreeable performance, he is praised on the SAME level as he is for D2. His performance in Guzaarish was pretty average. And his atrocious English accent of trying to sound cool was an assault on the ears. Though he is paralyzed for life, you can still see him struggling to totally abandon his ‘cool’ persona from a paraplegic’s role. This is called trickle-down effect. No body has the guts in the press or audience to say that Hrithik was good in those superstar movies but that he lacked in Guzaarish. Why? Is Hrithik uniform across the board? You cannot piggy-back on a completely superficial but highly profitable performance and then load the same profits onto a supposedly art-house performance!! Now this very idea is floated across the board that permeates into the multiplex-crowd’s youths or even families and this false notion gains universal acceptance. And this causes the audience to throw reasoning out the window when they equate Hrithik’s physical agility or activity with histrionics. And then, on Hrithik’s scale, everybody falls low as Abhishek does. So people like Abhishek (BTW I am no fan of Abhishek but I think that no other actor was really at the receiving end of not meeting the Hrithik-standards of acting as him) confuse the audience while for actors like Nawaz or Konkona, they are lionized on the far end of the aisle where they should stick to playing ‘character’ roles. I am not expecting poetic justice here where Nawaz gets to stretch his arms a la SRK on the Alps or Konkona dancing suggestively in leotards a la Karishma, but just that this yardstick of what constitutes good acting should be reasonably decoded. I will hardly be surprised if the public and critics in India equate Abraham Sir’s semi-naked run in front of a BEST bus in Shootout at Wadala to Hoffman’s Ratzo moment of ‘I’m walking here, I’m walking here’ from Midnight Cowboy..

          Robert Pattinson and Lautner are the ultimate man-meats for the US teens today – which is perfectly fine; there is an audience for that and hence they are there with their clothes off. But once Pattison takes another step and acts in Cosmopolis, he doesn’t become the Leo of The Aviator or the Leo of J. Edgar!! He has got to work pretty hard for it!! He has just taken a baby step and the US film-culture didn’t lionize him for that one attempt. When Leo shunned the easy path of remaining stuck to the proven path of oohing and aahing fan-girls, he was not heralded as the new De Niro in town! After many films down the lane that didn’t cash in on his obvious outstanding looks, he today commands the respectable actor crown. He was awarded for the results, not the attempts.

          And this type of vacuous culture in the name of entertainment has seeped into almost all art forms or even sports (get in those cheer-leaders from US and Canada; apparently the infinite sixes or fours are not enough to ‘excite’ the viewers). Fortunately the vernacular Indian theater has managed to stay away from this and hope it continues to do so.

          And I haven’t equated Hrithik with Abraham Sir. I have called Abraham Sir 3rd grade actor while Hrithik average. The gap is as huge as the difference between Manjrekar and Ramesh Powar.

          I am of course not offended by the’ anti-handsome men brigade’ term. I am proud to be its main member..but remember this brigade doesn’t carry uniform notions across the board..

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        • Every single star and director who tries to do something different gets lionized by the Indian media, this has nothing to do with their six packs whatsoever- everybody from KJo to Zoya Akhtar have been showered with hyperbolic praise and awards galore for the most mediocre of efforts like WUS and ZNMD. Hrithik being praised by the media for his performance is no different.

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  20. Good intelligent points folks & agree mostly…
    Hehe we were just sweating it out in the gym-it surely can’t be a bad thing, what say Amy …no hanky-panky.
    I liked deepikas ‘costumes’ in this song unlike ranbirs which are quite tacky! Will have to change them.
    Amy-How do u find em & who is the designer, …u surely will have fun carrying these off in the spoof-
    Btw who is the ‘dilli ki girlfriend’ in this song –wondering … 🙂

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  21. Omg Amy — this proves we were in the gym together -posting at the same time now–nice break eh ..

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  22. Anybody notice how the choreography seems to repeat itself every so often..like theyve run out of moves…reminds me of Barfi in the opening sequences..

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    • Isn’t that called a signature step for a song?

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      • “Anybody notice how the choreography seems to repeat itself every so often..like theyve run out of moves…”– good point maggie—I hadn’t noticed earlier …
        And thanx for that clarification sandhya–yeah-there is something of a ‘signature step’ it seems.
        U seem to have talent in song picturisation and now that I’m more into random song spoofs (rarely do complete films) –your talent may come handy…
        Ps like the name ‘sandhya’– meaning dusk
        Like this trend of ‘coming out’ with real names …keep it up folks..
        Goin on a short drive bak with full blast music 🙂

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    • I think there’s definitely a redundancy to these videos. They’ve become so formulaic. More than anything I think it betrays a certain laziness resulting from the increasing trend among modern filmmakers to move away from songs. It’s as if they’re going through the motions.

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  23. and amy–once ive signed u for this song (dilliwaali) u cannot eat or drink without asking me (its in the contract!) –ive to take care of your waist.
    forget that: without me u cant even go to the shower (during the duration of this song shoot) 🙂

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  24. Update on this song–‘dilliwaali girlfriend’
    As mentioned in the lyrics, I used my ‘pocket money’ which has all gone in the cosmetics and dresses of the heroine…(Amy)
    Now the heroine is paying me (rather than the other way around)–
    Ps: may have to film the remaining bits of the song on the ‘dilliwaali girlfriend’ instead :-). Let’s watch the space…

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  25. Seems the spoof will continue..

    [added to post]

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  26. wish they’d given Madhuri a better song!

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    • What a stupid boring song. They are excited to get Ranbir & Madhuri together but that idea is where all the creativity ends it seems. Couldn’t actually do anything with it. Terrible!

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  27. Will assess this song later soon –seems fun from the ‘images’.
    Ps: Ana : briefly skimmmed thru MM ep6—red dress,shoes …Hamm in form…check it

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  28. sanjana Says:

    Badtameez dil is better than this. Energetic, peppy.

    Both the songs have some oldworld feel. This one looks like straight out of 50s pepped by today’s vulgarity. Have the same feel as that fevicol song.

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  29. sanjana Says:

    What scares Ranbir Kapoor most? Spiders and cockroaches, reveals his ex-flame and co-star Deepika Padukone asserting that she is saying it from experience.

    “Experience! He gets scared of a spider,” said Deepika.

    “If you are in a room and if there is a spider or a cockroach, rest assured, everyone else will be running behind it to shoo it away and Ranbir will be hiding under the bed,” the 27-year-old told reporters at the launch of Jabong “Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani” collection here Wednesday.

    After the 2009 release “Bachna Ae Haseeno”, Ayan Mukerji directed “Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani”, releasing May 31, is their second film together and the first after their patch-up.

    http://www.india-forums.com/bollywood/hot-n-happening/33497-ranbir-scared-of-spiders-cockroaches-deepika.htm

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  30. @ sanju–so deepika is hellbent on announcing their ‘f-buddy status’ sexperiences (in the garb of spider etc)…

    @ ana–“that idea is where all the creativity ends it seems.

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  31. @ ana–“that idea is where all the creativity ends it seems.”
    because the ‘creativity’ is left to the mind of the ‘pervert’
    This seems basically for die-hard madhuri old-timers or those boys into the ‘older woman’ fantasy 🙂

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  32. & amy–u are back at the correct time—your talent will be used now-& u will be ‘rewarded’ with this track !! Enjoy!
    I like the nerdy look–cmon lets get started amy….
    ( & folks- u check out this song)

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  33. ^ wow amy–u r a nice soothing costar—& u are patient with my ‘retakes’ lol
    ps–incidentally the YJHD songs arent v good but they are reasonably effective for this genre—and this particular one (‘subhan allah’) has nice make and female vocals ….liking it
    They arent for ‘intellectuals’ tho….haha

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