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good read.. one could reframe this argument in certain ways. The girls are born into a patriarchal world and they then pursue a patriarchal dream. However as the writer correctly points the very moment at which Mahavir decides his girls can take on his profession he brings about a disturbance in that set of patriarchal expectations. From that point on he has to face constant ridicule. This is a good example of how an otherwise problematic system can be used against itself. So on the one hand girls shouldn’t have to be better than boys at games made for boys. On the other hand in doing so they upset a lot of the ‘values’ or the ‘beliefs’ which sustain that sense of male superiority, specially in a patriarchal system.
But there is perhaps an even deeper point to be made. The film individualizes the girls fully, they are characters in the fullest sense. This is in fact the greatest subversion. When women as presented as types (even strong ones) a patriarchal system can account for this. So you can have the strongest goddesses and female historical figures (Rani of Jhansi etc) but the culture that accepts this also keeps peddling all kinds of other stereotypes about female abilities. There is no real contradiction here. Because goddesses and queens become exceptions to the rule. They are idealized figures (or at least that’s their popular reception). A ‘male’ economy can always account for this. However when female characters are individualized and to the degree where they can question a patriarchal system or even subvert it that’s when things become interesting. This is why the fight between Geeta and Mahavir is so important, so symbolically potent. Even if Geeta is acting out of pride, even of Mahavir is older, it’s important that she’s able to win. Much as the younger sisters are able to fool the father or subvert his system at points. And if Geeta realizes her mistake later it still involves a journey that she must complete on her own. Normally female characters in movies aren’t allowed this level of agency. or they are in subjects that are not very weighty. Or they tend to mimic male heroes (the female godfather, police officer etc). Here you also have the younger sister who is torn between the father and the sibling. It adds to the female dimension of the film. Now I don’t want to overrate things but my point is that whatever societal or historical forces an individual might be subject to he or she can often subvert it to a great degree (or at least to some degree) by letting all these different and often contradictory aspects of his or her personality to come forth. For instance what do we do quite often before when confronted with the unreasonable opinions of parents or such authority figures? We give in in different ways. If we don’t we’re considered impolite or unkind. We still believe those things but we suppress our voices. But in not doing so we allow ourselves (or what we actually are) to be more fully ‘represented’. We run the risk of being tagged a certain way but we also subvert the system by exposing that unreasonable opinion of the parent. We in fact make clear that one isn’t right just because one is a parent. The same holds in very many different kinds of relationships or situations. And so if we allow ourselves to more fully become what we are or what we’d like to be this is already a subversion without there being any specific ideological charge attached to it. Mahavir irrespective of the circumstances has to be beaten once by his daughter. The daughter has to be willing to beat him even at the risk of humiliating him. I won’t extend this note here but this is perhaps Dangal’s most genuine move. Allowing the central female characters in his film to become individualized, they’re not just great athletes. Compared to this the women in CDI are mostly stereotypes who in a case or two resist males (the cricketer) who are even bigger stereotypes! Here the only real character in that fleshed-out sense is the male. Dangal enables the viewer to empathize with the father but also the daughter. It isn’t one or the other but both. The reason the film can seem both patriarchal and not, as the writer points out, is because the writers allow both the male and female leads to be contradictory human beings with some depth. This is always crucial.
Sucheta is retweeting someone’s tweet she was referred. The guy is claiming, he could not select seat even though 15% seat were empty. He should take a picture and ask BMS. There could be multiple reasons but then he is not barking at right tree.
Dangal Has Huge First Week – Three Circuit Records
Friday 30 December 2016 10.30 IST
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Dangal (Hindi) grossed 192.50 crore nett in its first week as it added 19.75 crore nett on its seventh day. The film has grossed over 20 crore nett on six of its first seven days which has never happened before. The first week total is the second highest ever after Sultan which grossed 209 crore nett but that had holidays over the Eid period. Here the film has been unlucky as the big holiday fell on Sunday but the period between Christmas and New Year is good for collections, The film has set three first week circuit records as East Punjab, Mysore and Tamil Nadu / Kerala set all time records for week one. These have out performed because film is Haryana based and tax free in Haryana from Wednesday so East Punjab is extraordinary while Mysore and TNK is where Aamir Khan is most popular star ahead of Shahrukh Khan and Salman Khan. The daily first week business of Dangal (Hindi) is as follows.
The next two days are going to determine where the film is going. Going by the weekday trend and the fact that it is weekend for New Year the collections are going to be huge but how huge. No film has ever collected 100 crore nett in its second week but Dangal has a shot depending on what happens over the weekend. The Tamil and Telugu versions of the film grossed around 5 crore nett which is not bad considering how porly the film started in these markets. http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2594
7 straight 20+ days…just! Today will be knocking on the door but unlikely. Forget Sultan, Dangal has every shot at going past Sultan in week 2 or on first Friday of week 3. BB could be gone by third weekend. Then only P.K. left.
Top Ten Worldwide First Weeks – Dangal At 360 Plus
Friday 30 December 2016 10.30 IST
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Dangal is the second highest grossing film Worldwide after one week behind Sultan. The film grossed $15.25m (103.25 cr) and 260.25 crore (192.50 crore nett) in India giving it a grand total of 362.10 crore. Sultan had grossed 398.70 crore over a similar period. It is the second film to cross 350 crore Worldwide after one week and the fifth film to surpass the 300 crore mark in one week. The Overseas numbers are extraordinary in US / Canada and Australia and may hit ALL Time Records in both markets. The Overseas numbers are the third highest ever (7 days) after Dhoom 3 and Sultan but they have come without Pakistan which could have done $1 million in a week though its hard to call as the film is patriotic Indian film so may have not performed as a Dhoom 3 or Sultan. Below are the top ten Worldwide opening first week collections.
Amar and Prem at hte age of 50 had a conversation:
Amar: Mere paas ek wrestling film ka idea hai.
Prem (to himself): Kya idiot hai. Body mere paas, wrestling tu karega?
Prem: Aree kya idea hai Amar, fantastic!
Then they walk into a room, in which they see Fatima Sheikh and Anushka Sharma.
Amar : Betiyaan, Betiyaan, Betiyaan!!
Prem: Beautiyaan, Beautiyaan, Beautiyaan!!
Amar looks at a waifish bone-thin Anushka, and decides to approach Fatima: Dekh, tu meri film mein beti banegi, lekin 6 months advance rigorous workouts aur wrestlng moves ka practice karna hoga, so u look like a national champ wrestler. And I will increase my weight by 20 kilos to authenticate my look. Then reduce by 25 and increase muscle mass by 10 to look like a National Champ for a 2 minute scene!
Prem approaches Anushka and tells her: Mere paas ek wrestling film ka idea hai. Tu meri beauty banegi. Ab main to bodybuilder hoon hi, to kuch karne ki zaroorat nahi. Sirf ek mooch ugani hogi aur chaddi paheni padegi. Lekin tujhe is size2 se aur bhi sickly size 0 hona hoga. Audience intelligence be damned.
Anushka: Ok boss! But will I pass off as a wrestler?
Prem: Kyun nahi? Peechey background music hoga. Tere ko sirf ek move hi seekhna padega.
Anushka: Woh kya?
Prem: Since this whole movie idea is laundered, the name of this move has to be contextualized with laundrymen. Hence its called “Dhobi Pachaad”!! We will end every bout with the same move, even if I face a guy who is my size, or smaller or bigger. And we will have the same background music repeat about 100 times to drill it into the audience that all wrestling matches can be ended with only a Dhobi Pachad.
Adi to Prem: Wow, what a brilliant idea. Kal raat hi Yashji ne mere sapno mein aakar nariyal phoda tha. Zaroor yeh green signal hai ki Amar ka full idea hum dono teep sakte hain. Writing staff ka budget karna hi nahi padega, kaun sar khapaye concept aur content ko sochne mein? So the budget will also shrink and be a healthy 35-40 crs. All profits 50-50. Chal Done Deal!!
As I said on the other thread, with Aamir it is ‘Once in a Blue Moon kabhi kabhi’ ( Coursey Ranjeet / Vishwanath) kind of deal hence all this self indulgence/ euphoria / ecstasy on this blog is permitted.
Beyond that get set for some dry period and God knows phir kab nirvana milega!!
Prem to Amar: “Abbe hool de raha hai? Muscle dekha hai muscle? Masal ke rakh doonga!”
Prem to Amar : “Saala pheku. Circus ka retired Bandar lagta hai.”
To wedge in on the Dangal & Sultan conceived history. In cinematic sense Aamir rarely plays dirty. He is unduly harsh on some reviews and outspoken. The Darr example. The clashes with Gadar/Ghayal/Welcome he took on the chin, the dirty linen did not come out ala Eid 16 & Republic Day 17. He has also fought causes for the industry on public format, I cannot remember the film/issue but him & SRK plus others were out in unison for a film cause. The story of Dangal stealing anything from Sultan has little teeth. Add to this a man or star does not give 2 years on the line & health to one up another film where the star HAS the body and delivers the film in 6 months. It’s a very thick or dumb idea.
Some simple logic. It’s blatantly obvious YRF / Salman tried there best here, the introduction of a romantic angle is A typical of YRF’s and B a decoy act to differentiate from Dangal.
I don’t even have to get into Salman’s dirty linen within the industry; I’ll be here all day.
Outside of film’s both have their fair share of mistakes, but Aamir has never probably been to court on anything except maybe his divorce. Even here I’ll be here all day talking about Salman.
I don’t think Aamir will really trust Salman anymore. It’s amazing that he is not upset with Yash Raj, and has been saying all the right things about Salman, but it seems impossible that the Sultan episode didn’t affect him. Salman makes a moronic statement that both films are different and if he had his way he would do both films and call dangal, sultan ka dangal. Look at his delusions.
If SRK has any sense, he must keep his distance from Salman.
Watched Dangal. A well made film that sticks to its solid screenplay but something where the major plot points and twists are all been there and seen that.
It scores well in the technical departments but Aamir has somewhat explored his working style which isnt weak but even there he sticks to a formula. There’s nothing extraordinarily innovative in this film. its no doubt a very good story idea but the way the screenplay is approached is exactly the way anyone with decent exposure to cinema and certain genres would pen it.
It starts out with the protagonist’s dream, shows hope, adds a challenge, the screennplay then pans out as the characters set out to achieve the dream, all goes well until there’s a misunderstanding between the protagonist and another major character, but all is well in the end.
Even the last second win is something that can be predicted much earlier, since the time the father tells the girls how every move wins them different set of points
But after watching the film, I was convinced that while it is a decent watch, there’s nothing that sets the film apart, nothing extraordinary and has characters that can best be described as one dimensional and entirely predictable. The most extraordinary scene in the film is semi final match between Geeta and the Nigerian wrestler.
The film and its theme can be compared to Chak De India and that in my opinion was a much superior film with a lot more innovative approach to character development and genuine tension for its time.
This is certainly not among Aamir’s top ten films but otherwise a decent watch which is better than 95% of the murk that is given to us every Friday.
I agree on predictability, but most sports movies are & being a biopic makes it tougher to really throw lots of unpredictability. Lagaan had creative license, Dangal had some, not all. I’d need to re-visit CDI to make that observation. At the time I liked the film a lot.
Predictability was not a problem for me. if the narrative is gripping, it seldom is a problem. Remember Mahabharat on TV. We all knew the story and yet we sat glued to our television sets week after week. People are still interested in how an event will unfold inspite of knowing the end.
I don’t think even aamir cared about people knowing the story, because all of that was in the trailer itself. The emotions behind the facts are what makes this movie click.
watched second time today……half the ppl in theater were locals and to see them clapping and standing up for the national anthem was a superb experience…..this is going to be bigger as the days are passing…..
Also I would 100% agree CDI is more dynamic virtue of the fact that it’s based on a team sport of 11 players. Far more opportunities to explore. Just like Lagaan. Dangal is centred on 2 sportswomen – the opportunity of a dynamic film is far less.
I liked the film a lot more than you, but i agree that my attention too wavered a bit in the early second half. The tension reduces, and an audience catharsis of sorts is already reached because she wins Nationals inspite of all the odds.
Another reason why my interest dipped a bit was because I didn’t take to the older Geeta. I really missed Zaira Wasim, the young Geeta. What a terrific performance by her! She’s created a sensation going by social media reviews. I see a great future for her.
Honestly, the film is truly in essence a story about the dynamic between Mahavir Phogat and his elder daughter. The younger Geeta was brilliant. I was not so pleased with the elder one.
I think both aamir and the director were not keen on having the best of actors for Fatima and Sania’s roles. They gave more importance to fitness aspects so that they could look convincing pulling off their matches. I’m not sure if that is the best approach. A good actor can fake well. You saw that with the younger Geeta. She’s not the most tough looking but what attitude and gait!
Dangal set an all time record becoming highest weekday grosser of all time and that too with no big holidays on the weekdays. It just edged past the weekday figure of PK but PK had a huge holiday for Christmas falling on day six whereas Dangal had normal days through the Mon – Thu period. If we take out the phenomenal first week business in a few circuits then the biggest achievements of Dangal over the first week are the Sunday business which was an ALL TIME RECORD collection for a single day and also this weekday performance.
The weekdays are actually better than the weekend performance as the weekdays have picked up a huge 85% of the weekend without a holiday and at with collections at high levels. The footfalls of the film on Monday were better than day one and Tuesday were similar to day one. Below are the all time top collections for the Mon – Thu period.
overseas is 16.5 million$ after thursday.Aus is record breaking beyond words.PK holds the record at 2.11 A$,dangal is at 1.64 A$ after week 1.only 3 are ahead of it by thursday ,though 2 of them(D3 and BB) would be gone today.PK would be gone within next 2 days in Australia.In US/Canada it is at 6.84 mil$,only 3 are ahead till thursday in US/Canada as well,it wld take sometime there though .PK holds record there at 10.58mil.$
This whole debate of Sultan Dangal is reading too much into it. At the end of the day, Salman worked on his EID strength and with some definite merits in the movie got it to 300 cr. It was in all honesty a below par movie compared to his own BB, which trended a lot better and had the emotions to win. But still it was a win for Salman
Dangal is a biopic, based on a true story. It still turns out to be a complete, gripping film with a strong performance from ensemble cast and that along with Emotions make it a superior product than Sultan. Even the Wrestling Choreography is top notch. Its a huge win for Aamir since its a Critical, Commercial hit.
If Salman has raised his superstardom, Aamir has that Goodwill and Brand value which makes him a Global boxoffice pull. I am amazed how the US/Canada is performing and will continue to do so for Aamir films.
Dangal Is Historic On Day Eight
Friday 30 December 2016 23.30 IST
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Dangal had a historic eighth day as it smashed all box office records for day eight. The film has grossed 17 crore nett apprx as per early estimates on day eight and that is by far the highest ever collection for day eight. The previous best was was 14.50 crore nett of PK which was recorded two years back. It would have beaten by almost 20% if the collections come out to be 17 crore nett in the morning. Total collections of the film will be close to 210 crore nett after eight days which makes it the sixth highest nett grosser ever. the film is really taking the benefit of the holiday period and no competition and raking in huge numbers with the weekend only to improve further.
The tax free exemptions have now really kicked in and Haryana and UP are recording huge nett collections though the gross collections in UP are similar to PK and Bajrangi Bhaijaan (this film was also tax free in UP on day eight though not at all centres). Haryana is simply outstanding and because of this East Punjab continues to smash records by distances. The eighth day collections were crucial for a very big total and now it will be about that big growth which will consolidate day eight. Sometimes when a film is at very high levels on day eight the second Saturday growth is not like a film which did 7 or 8 crore nett on day eight. It remains to be seen where Dangal goes and if the big growth comes the final business could go anywhere
The pace is relentless. If the film behaves like a family film like BB, Sat could be close to 25Cr, Sun 30cr+, week 2 should be above P.K’s 94cr easily (anything around 100-120cr is possible). Sultan will be passed in week 2 possibly but unsure about drop on 2nd Monday as its post New Year. Based on P.K trend, Dangal can pass 350cr with some ease and with this Friday base would be highly disappointing if it didn’t. Aamir on the verge of creating two more clubs. 2nd week 100cr club & 350cr club.
US is looking very similar with $7MM already in extended first week. Will comfortably beat P.K’s collections.
If it see’s a release in China (I presume likely given his track record there) this film can open the 1,000cr gross club.
jeevcy indicine ko maine thodi der pehle poocha in bb thread that would they still bet on sultan to be HGOTY as they had stated from the last year again again that dangal wouldn’t beat sultan in any case.becharo ki haalat kharab hai.i m seeing atleast 380 cr. nett total.
jeevcy as i m seeing it wld do abt 65-70 cr.nett in weekend,then add abt 45 cr.nett in weekdays.it comes out 305 cr. nett by week 2,then abt 50cr. nett in week3,then atleast 25-30cr.nett after week3.it comes in range of 380-385 cr.nett,though there is scope of improvement in this prediction for week3 and after that.so,400cr can be done.
I’m very surprised at how well it has done so far. I was not expecting it to be this monstrous at the BO. But I wouldn’t doubt the numbers we are being fed are not authentic. I’ll be surprised if it passes up PK…but by the looks of it…it will likely cross it, which would be an amazing achievement.
Finally got the family together to watch Dangal and my god this is the film of the decade for me by far. Just amazed. Everything was just well done, and not a scene looked extra to me. The wrestling scenes seemed well researched and it just seems like an extremely well thought out film. Aamir, the child actors, adult actors, everyone was excellent. Only two minor things- I though the climax was a little OTT (**spoiler**) with Aamir getting trapped in the closet. Also I wished they showed more of Aamir’s body-building body! It was only there for 30 seconds- all that work!.
After watching this, not surprised at the box office results. I agree that the film may lack repeat value but definitely not entertainment value. But I would watch this again in a week in another group again. Maybe whats happening BO wise is that this is that once in a decade film where people who rarely watch films in theaters are coming out to watch it? Not sure. But PK, 400 crores are nothing, this film deserves much more. I’m not sure how I’d rate it in comparison to Lagaan. I might have too many biases for that film to even consider any other film even near it.
As for Aamir vs the rest…I’m a die hard SRK fanatic but there really is just no comparison. It destroys every film of SRK and Salman in this decade, except Bajrangi Bhaijaan. Regardless of what Aamir film has come out in the 2000’s, the one thing he has done right always are the emotions. That emotional connect is key, and Aamir nails it every time hence the astounding success. And I’m also loving Aamir+patrotic angle. I’m already excited for Thugs of Hindostan. Raees after Dangal is going to be like MNIK after 3 Idiots at best…
Also to contribute to the Occupancy debate – saw this in Chicago (Muvico 18 near O’Hare, not sure what the diaspora population of this area is), but the film was just about housefull. 7pm show, 8th day of release.
I think demonetisation has made Dangal’s boxoffice a real talking point even in the mainstream media, and made its achievement truly stellar.
Many BO sites who were not willing to give the match to Dangal against Sultan, have now all come on board. The difference from Day 8 is too wide for any spin doctoring.
Sultan will be a distant, distant second. I said earlier too that for Salman’s unethical behaviour, his film deserves to be critically and commercially eclipsed, and that has happened. Of course, Aditya Chopra shouldn’t be getting a free pass here either. Don’t know what the dynamic here is.
Aamirsuarabh, Jeevcy.. limit your comments.. first off it’s not a chatroom. Secondly don’t repeat the same kind of comment again and again. Thirdly consolidate some of your comments. I’ve already deleted a few.
Satyam bhai,sehat ke liye tu to hanikarak hai,humpe thodi daya to kar,hum nanhe balak hai.it’s just that reports of dangal are updated time to time,so me or jeevcy being huge aamir fans update it accordingly.i m spontaneous and moment i find something updated i post or comment.
I am hardly the one for box-office discussions. But I would love for this one to break all BO records – not just because it’s a damn good film but because of the comments of folks like LIVEWIRE, etc. Instead of recognizing the fact that such an actor exists who DOESN’T meet the ‘demands’ of stardom – as per text-book regulations- and still goes on smashing monetary restrictions, is a feat in itself. I ABSOLUTELY ignore folks who make fun of biological and God-given negatives; Aamir’s ears, his height, etc, etc. I love it when a person fights it wtth WHAT he has been born with, not when what he has been GRANTED.
In a way, DANGAL is anything but the fact that one fights against God’s given or NOT-GIVEN abilities. Aamir has weird ears, is short, doesn’t have the ‘requisite’ star-qualities, etc.etc. But look at what he has given us since 2001, and you know how this man has utilized his SWOT; better than any actor I know. His should be a case-study in management schools, not SRK’s.
Someone like Amitabh is a Haley’s coment; it’s difficult to achieve and MAINTAIN that kind of talent and class; but he is an outlier extra-ordinaire.
But Aamir, again, kills himself every 2 years and knocks the ball out of the park…
the other thing that is constantly underrated with Aamir is his credibility. Clearly WOM pays off for an Aamir film at the moment in ways that it does not for any other star. I’d said this for Bajrangi but with Aamir it would have crossed PK. Even with excellent WOM somehow with Salman it could only go so far. On the other hand with Aamir this happens repeatedly. With 3I at least you could see it was a supremely entertaining film. But few people would call either PK or Dangal totally extraordinary films. But here we are! Or for that matter with Ghajini earlier which didn’t just break records at the time but also put up a trending pattern that NO Salman film has replicated. Not even the otherwise iconic Dabanng. Part of the story (pun intended) is of course the ‘story’! But then it is also the actor’s credibility. You take other big stars in the same sorts of films and they will not break records. WOM when correlated with Aamir is unmatched elsewhere. Is he a pure star the way Salman is or SRK was in that iconic sense of the word? No. And he’d be the first to admit it. But there’s no reason we need to have such a limiting definition of stardom either. Clearly we’ve been at a point for a number of years now where Aamir is the first to cross every such barrier. So that distinction while a qualitative one is also beside the point in this instance. Specially when the Aamir kind of track record is so rare. In other words what other star can one think of in Bollywood annals who wasn’t a pure star in the same iconic sense (i.e. either iconic in an obvious sense or tied to the iconic dominant genres of the age) but who nonetheless became such a massive star? There is no such example. Aamir hasn’t been tied to a key genre or something. And so any way you slice and dice it the results are pretty incredible. Now it’s true that this shows how poorly the others are doing. All those other films that are celebrated as ‘hits’ and so on. In other words clearly Aamir is not making HAHK each time or something! Or that kind of historic grosser. But the competition is still way behind. The gap is still huge.
I agree with An Jo. After Amitabh, if there’s anyone who deserves that kind of respect, it should be Aamir. This guyis just unbelievably consistent and quite underrated IMHO. He has defied all rules of superstardom and his super successes are the result of sheer dedication as an actor and right choices.
Wonder how Raees will play out now. The film had a crackling trailer that got everybody to sit up and notice. But the gigantic critical and BO success of Dangal has surely put SRK in a spot. He probably had an idea that Dangal was a good film, but I doubt he saw this coming.
Nothing stops Raees from becoming a big hit as well. It can still go on to touch 300 if Kaabil loses steam early on. SRK is decidedly a much much bigger star than Hrithik. And importantly, the trailer – to my mind – is entertaining and full-on masala (not in the Salman vein thankfully).
The film is garnering a huge neutral audience. Also, it’s that rare film that you can enjoy with your entire family. Not a single awkward scene. No kisses, no skin show, no mawkish, embarrassing scenes. People are treating their parents and grandparents and extended family to the film.
Does any Aamir fan have a Ghajini vs 3 Idiots vs D3 vs PK vs Dangal BO chart? Really interested to see how well Dangal can trend, I think it can closer to 3 Idiots!
Also I truly believe that WOM is near 3 Idiots level. Every year the negativity towards films increases, if 3 Idiots released in 2016, it wouldnt have been as appreciated as it was in 2009 just because social media gets more ruthless every year. Dangal is the first Aamir film since 3 Idiots where I see even all the die hard SRK and Salman fans praising it, and one where those really neutral audience members (Like my parents, who still can’t tell the difference between Deepika, Katrina, and Anushka) want to watch it again in theaters.
I mean this is the key question. A year apart, 3I added 75% to Ghajini. 4 years later D3 added 30%+, then PK added 25%+ a year later. He’s the only actor active testing the market potential. The growth outside of India is even more exponential.
Dangal Emerges The Biggest Hit Of 2016
Saturday 31 December 2016 13.30 IST
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Dangal has emerged the biggest hit of the year after its second Saturday business. The film was always likely to cross the NETT figures of Sultan after its huge Friday but the Saturday business confirms the share of Sultan will be crossed unless there is some big downturn in week three. Dangal had a share of 104 crore apprx in the first week and by the end of week two it is looking to be close to 150 crore and Sultan was 158 crore and that 8 crore should easily be covered after week two. The second Saturday collections look to be in the 23 crore nett range which takes the second weekend to 41 crore nett.
Dangal has a nine day total of 233 crore nett plus and by the end of the weekend it will be in a similar range to Dhoom 3 (261 cr) which is the fourth highest grossing Hindi film of all time. The second Saturday is also a record easily beating the 19 crore nett second Saturday record of Bajrangi Bhaijaan and by quite a margin. The growth on Saturday will be around 25-30% which is huge at the levels the film is collecting. the second weekend is a certain all time record which is held by Bajrangi Bhaijaan at 55.5 crore nett. The film is tax free in three states at the moment and there are a couple more waiting. Delhi city and Maharashtra going tax free would boost the NETT collections further but it remains to be seen if they do get the exemption. http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2600
Mumbai mirror published a list of 31 movies to watch out for in 2017.And no mention of Secret Superstar.wtf is this. Half the starcast team of the biggest blockbuster of 2016 and they don’t get a mention. Plus it is AKP. Whose track record is great
Besides everything else this movie is also about a pair of girls kicking a lot of ass. It deserves all the praise it’s getting and all the box office office numbers it’s racking up. Good on the Indian public everywhere!
These box-office figures are truly enviable for a subject matter this drab, dry and realistic. Aamir needs to be applauded even if the Christmas/ New Year repeat fever catches on with each of his releases. At one side you have the raw, brute, lethal star power of Salman which is not only instinctive, extempore and all things unstudied and at the other end of the spectrum is Aamir with all his method, conscientious, hard work, laborious, time consuming master crafter charting his own never seen before course on the box-office arena.
With Dangal, Aamir effectively de-clutches from Hirani to once again find his own unique proposition. It now leaves Hirani/ VVC with ‘burden of proof’ and a show cause notice. If one were to go by Ferrari ki Sawari, Broken Horses, Wazir and Saala Kadhoos kind of work , it does not look very promising. No wonder Hirani is sitting on Dutt project for close to 5 years now….writing and rewriting and now purposely lowering expectations by driving media narrative / PR planted stories of a rift between sanju and how its lead cast is a misfit….just to have that surprise element at the end when movie releases..
Coming back to Dangal I had to go in for a repeat viewing only to witness Dhaakad song with the younger version of the girls fighting it out with those skinny boys. Those few moments with song playing in the background with rustic, dusty atmosphere, dialogues and body language is a close encounters of hindi movie masala moment kind.
Contrary to others here I was pleased to see the real depiction of our coaches and this is where basterdization of Indian sport usually takes place. India is so good at producing world class players at junior level be it Tennis, Squash, Badminton, Hockey etc but they lose steam by the time they come to senior level and its all thanks to these self centered egoistical maniacs of a coach and the politicking attached to our sports…..so that is another great part of this movie which I could connect well.
People only repeat watch if they want to. Just like you seem to have done. It has zilch to do with festivities. During a festive period, I’ve literally had to fit the movie in, there are many substitutes instead of repeat viewing of a film you know how will end. I think throwing the Xmas card again is disingenuous. Next year we’ll see with TZH too.
“Here’s why Salman Khan has opted for a lean meat diet
Salman Khan prepping for next role with a low-cal diet, reveals source at his fave restaurant
Busy juggling ‘Bigg Boss’ and Kabir Khan’s ‘Tubelight’, the actor will soon start shooting for Ali Abbas Zafar’s next directorial, ‘Tiger Zinda Hai’, a sequel to the hit 2012 film ‘Ek Tha Tiger’. Turns out, Bhai has already started prepping for his role with a low calorie diet…”
I am happy taking cue from Aamir , Salman is going the method acting route and giving it the required prep. with all these weight gain and weight loss……
Wll looking at Dangal figures this year can you imagine the explosiveness @ box-office 2017 Christmas. If all goes well it may just turn out to be a straight 15×25 kind of deal.
P.S: 15days x 25 cr daily avg for Christmas /New Year
I’m going to make a complementary point to something I said the other day but one the reasons people have been spinning themselves into circles or even some otherwise well-meaning folks have had a similar problem is a certain misunderstanding. There’s a difference between being a pure star in the iconic sense and being a major one. In the former group are usually stars who get tied to certain genres and/or who beyond this sometimes represent a certain cultural moment. Salman is the former, he’s been bigger in this phase than SRK was at his peak in the sense of generating these massive initials/grossers one after the other and not only on one’s best day as was the case with SRK. On the other SRK represented a New Indian/diaspora cultural moment. here Salman has no equivalent. He symbolizes the resistance to that entire Yashraj system and ‘Bollywood’ cinema as it has evolved since the 90s. But this is different for standing in for something in some more affirmative sense. But in any case both at their respective peaks are iconic stars in that pure sense.
Aamir doesn’t belong to that breed. However this does not mean that he cannot be as big a star otherwise. yes it’s an improbable route. Most stars don’t become so big avoiding strength genres and sticking to quality or prestige films or building up credibility with the audience that way. We can have a debate on how he did this or how this model was made possible. Nonetheless given that he did it he is a star as big as those two. If it is true that Aamir cannot appear in nothing films like Salman and expect to get the same results the opposite is also equally true. Salman cannot appear even in a film like Bajrangi (let alone anything less) with excellent WOM and surpass the biggest totals (Aamir’s) out there. SRK’s record is similarly very poor in different films of any sort.
If any other star appeared in Dangal, exactly this film, depending on who the star was it would do a whole lot less or dramatically less. It would be a success in all of those instances but not at this scale. Why? Because as I pointed out in that other comment when Aamir does a film you get the greatest bang for the buck for good or better WOM. In other words if the same WOM holds for a number of stars across genres only in Aamir’s case is the greatest number of people persuaded to show up. This too is about stardom. If one doesn’t accept this one will forever be stumped as to why other big stars even in very big films don’t get such results.
Finally, and to repeat an oft-repeated point, it’s also point to keep imagining that if say a star like Salman does so much in a nothing film how much more would he do in a good one? because Salman is precisely loved in the nothing film! No one wants to see him in anything very sensible for the most part. Bajrangi is the exception not the rule. If Salman started doing Aamir’s films he wouldn’t be a third as successful! Because he has no credibility for those parts. This is true for stars the world over. And of course it’s a question of quality. But only a few iconic stars are ever in the position to be both iconic and do quality films. Sometimes it’s a historical accident but more often than not it’s about the star being taken as seriously as an actor. Very few top notch iconic stars are fortunate enough to be able to do both. The Bachchan thing is again the exception not the rule. Or there was Dilip Kumar for an older generation. Rajesh Khanna was lucky enough to have great scripts when he became a great star. Not because anyone otherwise thought he was a fine actor (though he was once considered great for his parts). Using another example Stallone is great doing Rambo or Rocky not pretending to be DeNiro! So again there are many definitions of stardom. Aamir is second to no one at the moment though because of the genres he does he might not often get the absolute biggest day one. All else being equal you can’t beat blockbuster type films with other subjects. Despite this he often comes very close and certainly with WOM he tends to set up records in those other genres too. That’s what’s truly impressive about a PK or specially a Dangal where he’s playing an older guy for the most part. Doing it in D3 isn’t extraordinary but with these films it is.
Ultimately whatever one’s definition of stardom you have to get the biggest results one way or the other. The rest can all be up for debate but not these bare facts. Aamir is unchallenged on this front since Ghajini. Completely unchallenged. Now one can make up fairy tales about why others aren’t doing it but those are the facts. Combined with his iconic films (here he really does have more iconic films that other stars in this post-Lagan period, it’s not even close) and the critical acclaim on most days there’s simply nothing to argue about.
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Aamir has often said that he wishes he could have been around during Guru Dutt’s heyday. Aamir is a huge fan of GD and especially his film Pyasa. Dutt’s painter sister Lalita Lajmi featured in TZP.
Whatever happened to proposed biopics on Guru Dutt and Kishore Kumar?
One Raj Kapoor film quite different from most of his filmography would be Teesri Kasam; directed by Babu Bhattacharya, co- starring Waheeda Rahman, with great music and total rustic voice and mood. One of my all time favourite films.
I wonder if Jagte Raho too was different from Raj Kapoor’s regular work.
Nitish should get full credit for his direction of Dangal. In an interview, Aamir spoke about it — that it was unfair to his directors, him getting any credit. He spoke about Dangal scenes involving only the girls being directed and shot in his absence.
But I think Aamir makes his presence felt during final edit.
Jagte raho was indeed a different kind of film. In the sense that Raj Kapoor was the main character, and the only one throughout. The rest came in did their part for maximum 10 minutes and left.
Its all about a man from the village in the city. He feels thirsty and in his quest for water goes into a society area with a block of flats. There the watchman sees him, shouts, and a scared Raj Kapoor runs for shelter into one flat after another and the story goes on with what is going on in the particular flat he takes sheleter in.
Dangal is for sure the single biggest box office achievement for Aamir Khan. A 31cr+ 2nd Sunday is ridiculous stuff. I’d brush 3 Idiots aside now as a Hirani social comedy is far more appealing on paper. Doing this AFTER Sultan, a film that hurts Dangal massively, is a moral victory for Aamir Khan and his dedication.
P.K now should be beaten and there is a shot at 400 CR. Though it still needs business of approx. 130cr from now on.
350cr is guaranteed now. Rest depends on any half days, off days, no-tax days, religious days etc….ie.. all those kinda days the film did NOT have in its first 10 day run!
Simply unbelievable that Dangal has made 270cr without a single holiday that fell on a weekday!
Dangal Has Phenomenal Second Weekend
Monday 02 January 2017 10.30 IST
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Dangal (Hindi) grossed a phenomenal 70 crore nett plus in its second weekend as it up a huge second Sunday of 30 crore nett pn its second Sunday. This is the first time that 30 crore nett has been crossed after the first Sunday of any film. The second weekend is easily a record as it beat the 55.50 crore nett of Bajrangi Bajrangi Bhaijaan. Dangal is also now the third highest grossing film ever at 262.50 crore nett plus with only Bajrangi Bhaijaan and PK ahead of it. The film is looking on course to hit 300 crore nett by the end of the second week though the holiday period has ended now. That could slow collections a little but on the other hand tax free status in some places will compensate a little. The daily business of Dangal (Hindi) till date is as follows.
The film is scoring best in East Punjab, Mysore and TNK and will hit all time records in the next few days. East Punjab is because of the Haryana base of the film and tax free status in the that state while Mysore and TNK because Aamir Khan fimls always tend to out perform in those areas. Dangal is a heartland Hindi film so should not be doing best in Mysore and TNK but thats where Aamir Khan comes in http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2602
They are clearly at a loss for words! Look at all the typos and grammar errors:
“..up a huge second Sunday of 30 crore nett pn its second Sunday…”
“.. a record as it beat the 55.50 crore nett of Bajrangi Bajrangi Bhaijaan. ..”
“…because Aamir Khan fimls always tend to out perform…”
Dangal Closes On In 500 Cr Worldwide In Ten Days
Monday 02 January 2017 10.30 IST
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Dangal is closing on in on the 500 crore mark Worldwide with its business reaching 495 crore after ten days. the film has grossed 353.50 crore in India (262.71 crore nett) and around 140 crore in Overseas. The film still has plenty of legs so should comfortably cross 600 crore Worldwide though the PK total looks difficult unless there is a Far East release down the line and it manages to get numbers there. The film has performed better in India than Overseas as its the best time of the year in Overseas markets and the film is not going to add much to last years Dilwale which despite its numbers in Overseas was not really appreciated but down to the period. There is the Pakistan factor where Dangal has not been released but even if we add $2 million for that it will just edge Dilwale by around 5%. That too if it sustains well after the holiday period. That is not to say its not done well Overseas but it could have been better. Australia and US / Canada will be records but other markets are less. Below are the top ten all time Worldwide grossers.
1. PK – 741 crore
2. Bajrangi Bhaijaan – 604 crore
3. Sultan – 583 crore
4. Dhoom – 539 crore
5. Dangal – 493.50 crore (10 Days)
5. Chennai Express – 396 crore
6. 3 idiots – 391 crore
7. Dilwale – 372 crore
8. Prem Ratan Dhan Payo – 365 crore
9. Bajirao Mastani – 358 crore
10. Kick – 351 crore
A complete list of Worldwide grossers can be see here http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=2603
Jeevcy, you asked me a question. Well the answer is (and I indicated I had a problem with this a couple of times) that if you’re going to be prolific the comments have to be useful. Attacking SRK (for example) at every given opportunity is pointless. The same applies to any other star. Similarly (made this point to Aamirsaurabh as well) putting up too many one-line comments without consolidation also clogs up the forum. Your comments are welcome otherwise but let’s have some discipline.
i am replying to indicine on their silly replies.Questions and their reply by indicine are at bottom most.
Reply to ur 2 answers.stop manipulating things again and again.Speaking on behalf of all Aamir fans out here.
1.Out of 4 released aamir movies,3 are not only BB or more but infact all r not only ATBB’s but also HGOTY and ATHG as well.u r undermining those 3 ATBB’s.
2.Talaash was not average but Semi hit,mind that.
3.Why don’t other stars also hike tickets.hiked tickets mean lesser footfalls if audience doesn’t feel satisfied.highest FF record for this decade also belonged to AAMIR till BB happened last year.but dangal is going to thrash that footfall record this decade of BB.
4.Sallu didn’t had 10 but 11 releases during the decade.u forgot veer in early 2010.so,by ur logic sallu also had 3 times more releases (2.75 infact 11/4) than aamir to give those 3 times BB(2.66 infact 8/3).
5.Sallu only had 1 ATBB during the decade(BB) compared to 3 by Aamir.so,aamir has 3 times more ATBB’s than sallu.(what abt that indicine).
6.By your silly logic,ATHG and ATBB by aamir r equivalent to those small Blockbusters like Ready and Bodyguard,which did 60% and 70% respectively of 3idiots after 2 years of 3idiots release.Also,kick which did 213 cr compared to 337 cr of PK in 2014.
7.Min. gurantee but aamir movies r most profitable my dear indicine,how.
Stop living in a fool’s paradise and accept the reality and logic.
Q. Is Aamir Khan the new No.1 because his films not only open well but become the highest grossers of the year as well as till date then? Why is Salman still the No.1 when Aamir’s box office supremacy is ahead of Salman’s?
A. It’s not just the collections that decides which star is the biggest. Higher ticket prices will obviously result in higher collections. What we look at is the footfalls (number of ticket sold) and also the ability of a star to bring audience to theatres all across the country. Single-screens may not contribute much to the collections of the film – 1 lakh people watching Sultan at a single-screen in Bihar, might just contribute 20 lakhs to the net collections of the film, whereas at a Gurgaon multiplex the same collections could be achieved with just 10,000 people watching the film. This is just an example, the gap isn’t that huge between Aamir and Salman. On sheer crowd pulling ability, it’s Salman who is the number one box office draw. Period.
When a Salman film releases, distributors are assured of a minimum guarantee in return. That’s not to say all of his films have worked. Jai Ho was loss-making and even Kick didn’t recover investment for quite a few distributors because it was sold for very high prices.
Q. Does this decade so far belong to Salman or Amir? Don’t say both. Pick only one.
A. Aamir has done just 4 films this decade, three blockbusters or better. One average grosser. Salman Khan has done 10 films, out of those 8 were blockbusters. Salman has nearly 3 times the number of blockbusters, so the decade, so far, belongs to him.
Again, I have been away from box-office talks for years so I am finding it a bit tough to understand why BOI are sounding so dull. It seems as if they are holding back and don’t really want to give Aamir too much credit for this success.
Dangal has just obliterated weekdays records along with unbelievable second weekend business and all I see BOI harp on are two things – enhanced ticket prices and ‘lets see where it goes post holiday season’.
Where are articles analyzing collections of Aamir’s movies? What he has done with Dangal is no small feat. The only point where they mentioned his crowd pull is when they were reporting collections in TN and Mysore.
Very disheartened with BOI’s style of reporting.. anycase, this is exceptional business and I still feel Dangal lost wrestling novelty factor because Sallu pulled a quick one on Aamir.. and still lost.
As a courtesy and because you put up a long reply I’ve restored that comment. But don’t do this sort of thing again. Because it drags in stuff from other forums. Secondly whether people hate Aamir or not that’s their problem. There is no ‘response’ that will make everyone change their minds. Rightly or wrongly.
Dangal is the best sports based movie from India by far. Better than CDI, Lagaan. As family emotions are tied up which are missing in other two. You end up pained by father daughter conflict here.Feel for them all
And the funniest thing with boi commentary on Dangal is, despite decimating every imaginable record with in 10 days of its run, their lack of “Adjectives” while defining its unprecedented success!! Imagine if Dangal were to feature their all-time favorite Shahrukh, adjectives would have fallen short to define the magnitude of its record breaking run by in its very 1st week itself!! But they must be busy finding alibies for not giving full credit of Dangal’s success to Aamir!! I’ m really relishing the moment where even the biggest Aamir haters are bound to “admit” Dangal’s spectacular box office performance is solely an ace up in Aamir’s sleeve.
as an Aamir fan…there is nothing anyone can say that can undermine his success after Dangal. The guy shuts everyone up after each of his releases. But there is no doubt in my mind that this is his single best BO achievement, like JS and Satyam have said above. Forget the haters.
During Dhoom 3, BOI and some of the other sites quite unusually spoke abut how a film’s true worth is second and third week business and not the opening. Now, that Dangal has broken second week and will easily outperform every other film by a big margin to emerge the biggest ATBB, some of these sites again talk about opening strength and how Salman is the winner here. The dishonesty is stunning.
Dhoom 3 was such a disastrous film, and Aamir broke all opening records. He did it with Ghajini we well. Proves that he can get the big openings when he wants to. And of course he always gets the best trending.
Your last paragraph is key. He ‘can’. A star has no obligation to keep breaking opening records with each film. This is not a formula of success. Ghajini and D3 prove Aamir placed in the right format is a match for any star, heck even Fanaa did it. But put those other stars in Dangal in a post Sultan world they wouldn’t find the credibility from audience to convince them to turn up. Aamir in this phase is pretty much upsetting the apple kart and it will take a special film rather than a special star to replicate this.
I will put the success of 3 Idiots, PK and Dangal really high. In fact I was more stunned with the numbers of 3 Idiots than with the other two. For me 3 Idiots was the real game changer for Aamir. The kind of hold it did then despite a record opening broke many a theories about trending vs opening etc.
Never cared for Ghajini which was too expensive a movie to be even called a Blockbuster despite its record break.
However that pulled Aamir above SRK then as BO numbers were superior to RNBDJ.
With second Monday coming in at around 13cr, in all probability, it will have grossed 310+ crs at the end of 14 days, which would be a stupendous 22+cr/day average for the first 2 weeks. Never been done before! And the likes of BOI and many other BO websites just cannot digest this amazing feat.
How likely is it the film will touch 400? It could have easily achieved it with a couple of holidays. Now, the challenge seems a bit uphill but can certainly be done. 345 cr by Thursday, and 40 cr in the 3rd weekend takes it to 385 cr. Another 15 cr is not impossible.
It’s not critical to get 400cr. I think that figure here is still unlikely. That’s it’s in the game is more than enough. I see 350 with relative ease, today needs to be north of 13cr. It needs 130cr still that is a lot. Has to be 320cr by end of week 2. Then even 3rd week will need to be close to 50cr+. It will need to do it mostly all before republic day releases. Tax reliefs will help.
Key factor also is weekend growth, it’s clear the families can give this figure a chance. The 3rd Friday will need to also clock close to double digits assuming Monday to Thursday do.
It’s also the genre and kind of film it’s breaking records with. It reminds me off RDB, that the template for a historical type gross is being toyed with. You don’t need a big production house, a director with pedigree, glamorous sets, expensive locations, A list actress, chartbusters or enforcement of romance to generate a commercial blockbuster. You just need a good film people can identify and resonate with. The holiday theory has been deconstructing. Sultan did not hurt the film. So many factors against the film success make this a remarkable achievement.
270+ by 2nd weekend
13 – Monday
40 – (Tue to Fri – assumption)
40 – (Sat+Sun – assumption)
353 approx – by coming Sunday – then the next 18 days till 26 jan have to do 50 cr – lets c – possible as wom is superstrong
AHAT had an emotional, power-packed performance from Aamir. But Manisha Koirala wasn’t able to perform upto the mark, and I have to say, she was quite overrated as an actress in her time.
After Dangal esp, I feel, a good performance can elevate a script to a considerable degree. Manisha was also lacklustre in another Aamir starrer – Mann. Here too, Aamir was excellent in his role. But Manisha’s character fell flat, and it didn\t help that Indra Kumar decided to deglamourize her for the film.
AHAT was a poor adaptation of Kramer Vs Kramer and is best known for its superhit songs.
The film was not at all close to the original in acting (by Aamir as well as Manisha) and direction (Mansoor Khan). Unfair to single out Manisha to make Aamir look like a Hero. Have been against this type of politics going on in this forum. One doesn’t need to do this for Aamir Khan.
I think Sandy has a fair point – although I personallyliked Manisha but each one has an opinion here and why drag words like politics etc? We like Aamir and what is wrong with that? Just the way you like Akki – and Aamir was the hero of the film so i don’t see anything wrong with Sandy’s comment here – she has an opinion and that is the beauty of this blog – one can express one’s opinion – u r linking everything to Aamir here and not us 🙂
No one has praised Aamir’s bad performances and he has had quite a few. But his acting was widely appreciated in AHAT. As for singling out Manisha, I don’t think that serves any purpose for anyone. If you think there is agenda there, then your mind works that way and there is no solution to that.
guilty pleasure but I really liked the film very much and probably it had more to do with Mansur’s deft direction and some well-placed songs – 🙂 can watch it again and again 🙂 But yeah – some other actress would have been a better choice – Mansur has had it wrong many times – I still can’t believe he refused Aamir when he wanted play SRK’s role in Josh!! and the movie didn’t work at the BO I think….bit odd choices of all the 4 actors
IMDB has a respectable 7.1 fpr AHAT and what did I just read in Trivia section!!!!! “Shah Rukh Khan was offered the lead role but turned it down because he felt the film was too emotional and also because he only wanted to stick to romantic films at the time. ” ha ha – Mansur really had a soft-corner for SRK……first offered him AHAT and then he got him for Josh!!!
I’m also a big admirer of Aamir’s performance in AHAT and rate it among his 10 best performances ever! But that is my personal choice & it has a very emotional connect with me the way Aamir bonded with his son & his depiction of fragility of his character unable to cope with the fact that Manisha was a better singer & she could be the bread-winner for the family was a big blow on his egotistic thinking. Also the fact that she can aid him in getting work was another ‘unacceptable yet harsh truth’ which he could never come to terms with! And for me everything worked from Aamir to Manisha to child actor to neighbour Tanvi Azmi to his friend played by Deven Khote to music composers part to Neeraj Vora as a shopkeeper and Paresh Rawal as a lawyer & his scheming in-laws perfectly played by Anjjan Srivastav and Rohini Hattangadi. And the songs are icing on the cake with dil kehta hai being my personal favourite. There are many superior performances of Aamir’s but Aamir as Rohit in AHAT has some very intangible connect with me which is impossible to put in words.
btw someone raised a very interesting point here. Aamir in a quality film earns better than any other star in a film which might be equally good. So the public’s perception of that film is better than it usually is.
Aamir in Ghajini is a bona fide masala moment. Salman in Bajrangi Bhaijaan is perceived as a star vehicle with relatively fine attention to the story that is otherwise no great shake.
Dhoom 3 with a bad story was meant to falter after a very good start. but kept adding more and more to its gross and ended up being the biggest grosser there ever was.
I thought in D3 aamir could have portrayed a stylish villain instead of opting for method-acting with an emotional twist to the plot – but which director could have convinced him to do that? Maybe Murugadoss or Mani?
Ghajini2 in this time will run on a supersonic highway 🙂 Sarfarosh2 has a genuine chance to enter in 250-300 band if gets directed by – again Murugadoss! That man knows masala genre like no one in Today’s times
So far no huge drop. The second week drop up to Monday is only 35%. Sultan will be passed on Wednesday (day 13), BB likely to be passed by Friday (day15). P.K. should be passed by end of third weekend. If third weekend can get past 30cr+, every chance Dangal can get well past 375cr+. In US it’s close to 10M USD already so P.K will records are gone there too. Dangal has hit a sixer at box office. It’s trending better than P.K at a higher level. Third week drop for P.K was over 55%. I think Dangal should hold a bit stronger.
The lengths some people can go to. So a Rs 25 footfall in some Bihari village shall now be equated to Rs 200 footfall in a Delhi multiplex, and somehow that ought to be a gauge for an unexplained agenda.
Once again, I am surprised that people here think that BOI is somehow anti Aamir. You guys need to go back and check their hysteria bordering on craziness when Ghajini and 3I came out. BOI always brings footfalls and I don’t see how they are underplaying what Dangal is doing at the BO. Their numbers are as always spot on. As for the footfalls, BOI has always talked about it. I am as big an Aamir fan as their is one anywhere and I don’t see any issue with this report.
I have followed BOI since it’s inception and I have NEVER EVER seen their commentary go into overdrive like they did for Ghajni and 3I. Do they go overboard sometime and report inane 3rd or 4th week report for a flop SRK movie…sure. Do some of their Q/A makes you scratch your head? Yes BUT no one has questioned their numbers (atleast for the movies released in the last 10 years). Remember, they are the only prominent website that called Rakesh Roshan’s Krish 3 bullshit. Everyone else still has that movie at 230+ CR or whatever.
Some rough calcs for totals. Assuming week 2 is 120cr+ (quite possible) itself an astonishing number;
Week 3 onwards…
If the film drops 65% week on week it will end around 385cr.
If it drops 60% WoW, it will end at 400cr.
If it drops 55% WoW, it will end at 420cr.
A drop 50% per week, it will end 440cr.
400cr scenario still means it doubled it’s 1st week and no film at this level has done that except 3 Idiots or Ghajini.
Dangal declared tax free in Delhi.should have been declared last week,this would boost nett collections.tax exemption by wed or thursday.Manish shishodia(Dy CM of Delhi) announces on twitter.better late than never.
Dangal overseas 22.63 m$ till monday.
USA/CANADA-9.69 M$(By Tommorow cld be record breaking)
gulf-6.31 m$(would be in top 3 soon)
Aus-2.12 m$(2.94 A$-Record breaking)
UK-3.12 M$(2.55 MPOUND-Could soon be record breaking)
My Father in law and MIL who have not seen a movie in theatres for at least 15 years went to watch Dangal with their friends in a multiplex of a medium size city in UP.
That tells me the phenomenal WOM Dangal is having.
I am a bit worried about Thugs of Hindostan. Since 2001, Aamir has done 2 movies with YRF. Fanaa and Dhoom 3 and these are his two weakest moves in terms of story and plot. Ofcourse both were major money spinners and TOH might as well become one but Aamir needs to make sure that YRF does not dilute it again.
There’s a difference between Fanaa and D3 though. the former opened very well and trended very well too. I myself have always liked the movie. Yes compared to other films Aamir has done since Lagaan it might be more regular but it’s a very solid film otherwise and in my view better than most of the other Yashraj/Johar stuff. In many ways it’s a kind of 60s/70s films. Also the ending was unusual by yashraj standards in those days. In any case it trended very well. D3 on the other hand did historically for about 10 days or so then came down relatively fast. So the two films are not comparable in this sense. Now I think D3 too is treated unfairly by some. If anything it’s the most substantial of the Dhoom films. Now I might be willing to accept that the greater masala admixture sits uneasily in a series which at least before this was mostly about ‘cool’. Also just because it’s Aamir one shouldn’t forget that he could have only done so much with the franchise. Actually think the film needed parity between the hero and the villain to be truly worthwhile but with Abhishek’s box office fortunes this deal was perhaps sealed in this sense. But as it stands I still think it vastly better than most films of this sort. Where I do think you have a point is that Thugs.. might well end up being more like D3 and less like Fanaa in terms of opening and trending. The one important difference though is that Thugs is based on a novel and so there’s a proper script ready for this one. or at least the material to make a proper script from.
Fanaa way better than D3 IMO. Music, the internal trauma displayed in second half, the poems in the first half, the scene where Aamir reveals himself to Kajol. The army scenes were terrible, so was the comedy of Rishi Kapoor dying. But there was tension, anxiety & indecision in Aamir’s performance as well as Kajol. Something quite whimsical about the film. D3 I blame on the director & producer and Aamir for not making his action sequences a bit more cerebral. The script was easily the best Dhoom script. On reflection I doubt I could watch D3 again, Fanaa I could.
My point was that of all the Aamir movies post Lagaan, Fanaa and D3 are my least favorite (and I may not be in the minority here). You would be hard pressed to find many people who did not like DCH, MP, TZP, Ghajni, 3I, Talaash, PK, and Dangal. D3 could def. have been much better and Vijay Acharia is now going to direct TOH again. The coming together of Aamir and Amitabh is something to cherish but the movie better be worth it.
Yash Raj’s contribution to Aamir’s career has been very insignificant. They gave him Parampara, Fanaa and Dhoom 3. Fanaa was not bad, but otherwise all his success has come not from any big banner – unlike for SRK or Ranbir or half a dozen other stars – but from his own productions.
I can’t believe he’s doing a film with the Dhoom 3 director. What do these guys see in him? I’m sure Aamir got feedback about D3, and knows it was critically panned, and was a forgettable venture.
Again, my issue has nothing to do with BO. I am sure TOH opening will be historic but I wanna see a bonafide classic when 2 of the biggest stars in the history of indian cinema come together for the first time.
no disagreement here.. but with yashraj as producer I just think it’s unlikely to be that sort of film. Hope I’m wrong. But you’re absolutely right in that it would be criminal to bring those two together for the first time and not make some sort of classic.
From tomorrow Dangal would be tax free in Delhi as bookmyshow is showing tomorrow’s shows as tax free. It’s going to be a big boost for Dangal in reaching the magical 400 Crore figure! If Maharashtra declares Dangal tax free in a week or less, it would make a huge diffetence to the final net collection.
yes there’s an extent to which Dangal has ‘shocked’ many people. After the Sultan thing and given that this already didn’t look like the most commercial film imaginable it was reasonable to expect less. Of course some folks were nonetheless trying to game things. S yes it was a commercial film but it wasn’t 3I! Having said that it’s certainly been something remarkable to the extent that Aamir seems to have rewritten various rules with this sort of film and subject. To say that it’s an emotional film or whatever doesn’t go far enough. There are no stars other than him, he’s an older guy in most of the film, the girls take center stage at some point, there isn’t a big soundtrack, no Hirani-like director. And the sport is first of all not cricket or something but also one that was already explored recently in Sultan. You add up all of this and it’s really one of his unique box office results. It would be one thing if the film did 250 or something. that would still be huge for this sort of subject. But to now become the all-time leader and by quite a margin (wherever it ends up eventually) is pretty stunning. I certainly expected it to challenge PK after watching it the first time but there’s something about the overall response here that transcends just the numbers. PK was huge but that film didn’t quite get this sort of response. 3I did in a different way. But to get that kind of ‘connection’ with an audience in a film that doesn’t have any obvious commercial elements and to make the film such a box office champ.. it’s simply not imaginable that any other star today could have done this. Again this is where those old debates about Salman being bigger let alone SRK or whoever just seem ridiculous. Now I don’t deny Salman’s incredible initial and everything he’s done in this period. That itself is pretty remarkable and in many ways singular (i.e. a guy having his very best phase this late in his career and that too after being more or less out of the game for years) and yes he has the volume and mass cinema gets a certain kind of attention. But all of this still does not amount to a star greater than Aamir (though Salman is a ‘purer’ one in the iconic sense, that is hardly the end of the debate) when a guy has been doing it in every conceivable genre for years and really getting the absolute grossers for years too. In fact its even become a bit absurd at this point. Any time Aamir shows up in a major film one autmatically expects the very biggest grosser. The pressure is not even fair but somehow he keeps managing to top his past numbers and again across the genres. But even examining this history very closely Dangal is quite unique.
“This kind of acceptance also calls for realignments of credit to people other than just the star and esp people like Nitesh Tiwari who conceptualized such a wholesome ‘Indianised’ movie in the first place. Stars are always the last to enter the scene though Aamir comes with an image of deeper involvement…. so be it.”
livewire, you are of course entitled to your views, but I think Aamir deserves more credit here than for any other film, because had he not masterminded it, one can only imagine its fate. It would have been a tenth of the film it is today. I am sure Nitish’s story and narration were strong enough for Aamir to agree, but in these kind of concept film, execution is everything. It’s a fair question to consider that Tiwari came with poor credentials, and the whole team was new. Aamir took on most of the weight here, literally, and hence deserves all the credit he is getting.
there are a 100 scripts that look great on paper but are poor films for the reasons you’ve suggested. I remember an Aamir interview from the 90s where he talked about some of his failures after QSQT and he said that he realized with that experience that the director was always important and that many good scripts could be destroyed by bad directors and vice versa. Now I don’t completely agree with this. Because if there are strong enough scripts even functional directors can be ok. This was often true in the 70s for example. However Aamir is nonetheless right in the sense that we don’t live in that kind of age anymore. A good idea is not necessarily a good script. But beyond this it is just hard to find really good scripts these days because we don’t really live in the age of great writing (things have improved since the 90s but not dramatically.. most of the upgrades are just in terms of the ‘look’ and so on).
Anyway livewire, Dangal fell below 25 CR average yesterday after Day 12. It’s average will be just above 20 CR on Day 15. I’m bookmarking your predictions for TZH to be above 25 CR after Day 15, to see how man enough you are to see it through!
Fair comment Sandyi and it is hard to disagree with Aamir involvement with his project and that is why he takes his own sweet time ….something which others don’t have the time and patience for ( but going forward will have to because this new aamir model is the only way forward for hardcore success)
On a separate note I know it is merry making time for this blog / aamir fans. But with all this sweetness and sugary commenting this blog is in serious risk of getting diabetes. I suggest leave the box office alone and
“cut to the chase” and start discussing few demerits and weaker plot points at two important instances in the movie.
I mean so many of you felt in Sultan, the central conflict point and Anushka angst again Salman’s character was not properly laid out and discarded it as simplistic writing.
Now how about giving VTs on simplistic approach / easy writing in Aamir’s character –
1. One day the girls beat up a boy and Phogat decides these girls will be wrestlers?
2. Geeta wins a fight against her skinny cousin and boom Aamir’s character decides they are ready to compete in akhaada against boys in village championships…
3. after all the tensions in father-daughter relations – one call. Father and daughter are back together.
And finally how about Mahavir acting like a total jerk and forcing himself down his daughter’s throat and make them live “his” life?
These are central problems not even a single aamir fan has discussed here. Sultan had numerous high and lows in a very complex plot and that is why initially I had warned everyone here Dangal will just be buried under box office talk but Sultan as a intricate masala movie will age well. Just 2 months after the release the wide acceptance on TV / High rating gave us a glimpse how well this movie is going to age.
@Anyway livewire, Dangal fell below 25 CR average yesterday after Day 12. It’s average will be just above 20 CR on Day 15. I’m bookmarking your predictions for TZH to be above 25 CR after Day 15, to see how man enough you are to see it through!”
TZH has a Katrina combo and I hope there is sufficient oomph / sexiness and characterization is not bland like the previous installment. Ali Zafar showed a very playful side of Kat in Meri Brother Ki Dulhan. With Ali Zafar who comes from Dewaar mode of filmmaking there is going to be few basal masala moments in high octane action mode.
Songs, locations , situations will all add up and if the movie is coherent enough (like say a Wanted was) …..expect bonafide blockbuster !
Dangal fans should be extremely delighted with the results here and the way boxoffice has exploded. Once the honeymoon period is over we should come to few glaring holes / answered questions in the script….
Truth is lack of quality product / movie drought since last 5-6 months is helping this movie in a big way. Here the demonetization is working is reverse and all “students of psychology” will concur with me that beyond a point one just stops caring and wishes to break free and release tensions of daily life and Dangal is offering that outlet in letting loose…..It’s similar to a Diet-Binge Cycle when suddenly you say to hell with all these restrictions in diet and start to pile on food. The timing of Dangal is once again tuning out to be key to such a huge success here! Obviously the movie needs to do the talking first to take advantage of the rest of scenarios.
I know it’s not funny that is why I have already accepted the box office miracle of Dangal and it is unparalleled so we should all move on…..
However in recent history there is no correlation of this sort of box office figures with such genre / wide level acceptance hence passing any further judgments and comparisons on box-office figures from now on becomes pure academic. This kind of acceptance also calls for realignments of credit to people other than just the star and esp people like Nitesh Tiwari who conceptualized such a wholesome ‘Indianised’ movie in the first place. Stars are always the last to enter the scene though Aamir comes with an image of deeper involvement…. so be it.
Having said that and looking at various comments here the “esteemed members of this blog must also realize in this ever changing Bollywood dynamics, simple raw data assembled from box-office for a widely accepted movie cannot be the only criteria to anoint a numero uno star of bollywood. The expansion of cinema beyond theatrical release is now a known fact and it now stretches to TV, cable, satellite, live performances, leverage and clout at award shows, ads, image, makeover etc etc…. So in real terms it all boils down to being the poster boy of superstardom – where simply the name precedes the product and sells like hot cake in the market. ….where sheer announcements get financiers line up at the door steps with top dollars,
I am writing this comment after giving it a deep thought and is no way shifting of goalposts but it takes into account wide-ranging avenues and the current market dynamics.
let’s cut to the chase.. if God directed a film with Salman in it you’d say Salman did God a favor, otherwise God doesn’t have this kind of box office record.
Meanwhile if Aamir did every single thing in a film (act, write, direct, music, camera, editing.. etc) you’d say ‘see he plans too much, anyone can get a big hit this way’.
Let’s not pretend it’s anything more than this. By the way I heard distributors are very upset with Dangal and Aamir. They’re saying ‘who cares about 350 or whatever when it’s so planned? We prefer making less money on Salman’s films.. we’re for the higher moral principle that one must make money off spontaneous stars in junk films even if it’s less money’.
Incidentally God is with Aamir evidently which is why he keeps coming up with these “miracles” regularly. But don’t worry. At least the ghosts who drive are on Salman’s side.
The reasons being ‘peddled’ for DANGAL’S success now almost seem so true to the reel; like the scene where EVERYBODY in the film is explaining WHY Aamir kept on trying to reproduce a boy-child but failed; If she had properly fed the buffalo, if only Aamir had sex on a Sunday, etc. etc..
With Dangal likely to be #1, P.K #2, D3 #3, BB #4 & 3 Idiots #5, Aamir is the clear #1 US box office puller. The late surge by Aamir is really destroying the top 10 that was once dominated by SRK films in US.
yeah it’s across the board at this point. His numbers are so comprehensive, so complete that there’s simply no reasonable argument to be made. Even the frequency argument is silly. That only works against the star if his numbers are affected, not if he keeps coming back with bigger and bigger ones! Even if Aamir were in his early 30s or something and followed this kind of frequency there would be nothing to argue against if the numbers were this way.
Salman Khan had a pretty good year in 2016 with the success of Sultan in which he played a wrestler. As the actor is planning to do more action films in the future, Salman Khan is also planning to take up roles that are relevant to his age.
As Salman Khan’s contemporary Aamir Khan played an onscreen father to four girls in his recent film Dangal, Salman Khan was recently asked whether he is planning to take up dad roles in the future. Salman Khan recently said that he had played a father in Jab Pyaar Kisise Hota Hai when he was in his 30s. He has been there and done that. He revealed that he will be playing a father to a 13-year-old girl in his next film.
Talking about the plot of his next film, Salman Khan revealed that the film is about dancing just like the Step Up franchise in Hollywood. He will be training properly in dancing to look like a professional dancer. He revealed that the training for dancing is quite painful. For him, Sultan was also painful in which he had to lose 18 kilos of muscle. As he is not into diets and loves eating home cooked meals, losing 18 kilos of muscle was the most difficult task for him.
Salman Khan further added that he has always believed that effortless hard work should be seen on-screen. And that’s what he has been doing from Wanted to Sultan. He gave an example about Hollywood star Sylvester Stallone who is still Rocky and Rambo at the age of 71. As he does not see himself in character roles anytime soon is future, he makes sure that he lives his dreams. He said that filmmaking is the most beautiful industry where the makers sell dreams. So, why shouldn’t he live his dream?
It seems like Salman Khan’s next film is going to be quite a fun-filled ride as the audience will get to see him in a different avatar. Though the film’s name or the director has not been revealed, it sure seems like an exciting film.
Not trying to psycho analyze or to put Salman down but on a lighter note, did Dangal hurt his feelings? I am not sure the exact line of questioning by the interviewer but these statements as reported above really stood out for me
1. “Salman Khan recently said that he had played a father in Jab Pyaar Kisise Hota Hai when he was in his 30s. He has been there and done that. ”
2. “Sultan was also painful in which he had to lose 18 kilos of muscle. As he is not into diets and loves eating home cooked meals, losing 18 kilos of muscle was the most difficult task for him.”
3. “Salman Khan further added that he has always believed that effortless hard work should be seen on-screen.”
The words of a man who fell in the pit he dug for his ‘friend’.
After this colossal boomerang, woh ab shakal dikhane laayak bhi nahi raha. There will be a renewed urgency to add script elements in his upcoming productions, so as to somehow catch up with these bigger #s. Will be interesting to see how things play out between the 2 friends. Wont be surprised if a chill sets in as it did between him an SRK previously.
“Wont be surprised if a chill sets in as it did between him an SRK previously.”
I think aamir did not want to rock the boat during Dangal time and hence kept up the status quo with Salman. Prior to release, Aamir must have been hurt and furious, but now that he has won every round fair and square, he could well have a generous feeling towards the whole world.
Not so for Salman who has ended with egg on his face.
The Aamir success must have dampened the spirits of the new Sallu-SRK friendship. The two have been trying to do a number on Aamir (exactly what Aamir and Salman did to SRK.) But the ganging up did affect SRK since he was on a professional (Ra.One…) and personal ( fights with Shirish, Farah) low
Aamir on the other hand has surged so far ahead and his prestige is at such an all time high that the SRK-Sallu pairing makes no dent at all. The two would realise the need to pull up their socks and get more focused instead of wasting time in this buddy-buddy business.
Kiran Rao seems to be anxious that she hasn’t been giving enough time to her writing. I can understand how she feels. But she’s been busy with other things like organising MAMI etc.
Honestly, I would have sympathised with her more if Dhobi Ghat had been a better film. Even if she had made an Aligarh or a Lunch Box, I might have felt that Aamir perhaps should take it slow for a year and let her have a go. But unfortunately, she made a pedantic, slow, and affected film. Her concept may have been good on paper, but the execution was quite poor, the writing not terribly impressive and worst of all, she didn’t get the casting right.
Of course, I’d still say she is talented, but one has got to make the best of the chance you get. Kiran would have to be satisfied playing the star-wife untill her son grows up, unless she can prove herself as a filmmaker. Incidentally, this was her parent’s grouse when she married Aamir. They rightly feared that her career would be completely overshadowed. But judging from her first film, I can’t say any great injustice has been done to her.
**As Salman Khan’s contemporary Aamir Khan played an onscreen father to four girls in his recent film Dangal, Salman Khan was recently asked whether he is planning to take up dad roles in the future.**
Unfortunately, Salman cannot since he has decided to try ‘method acting.’ You can’t be a virgin and still be a father.
whereas aamir has kept all the options open and they work also – Talaash / Dhobi Ghaat / TZP – and yet ppl hesitate to call him a superstar 🙂 maybe his next movie-title secret superstar fits like a T on him 🙂
Aamir Khan needed a colossal Blockbuster to bridge the gap that Salman was creating between himself and others. With Dangal, now the gap no longer exists. However now the gap exists between both these stars and others.
No 3: SRK
He is in a bit of a bother here as the gap between him and other two Khans is Huge now. Moreover the gap between him and No 4 is not so Huge.
No 4: Akshay
He is in a zone now and 2017 is looking very promising
No 5: Hrithik
He is lost his Halo but still has potential to go higher. Kaabil will be key.
if kaabil beats srk rahees then akki will slot to no 3 and srk will fill no 5 and hritik will slot up to no 4..surely rahees will beat kaabil comfortably…srk ” magic wand ” in his sleeves will put right back in the top slot…if rahees do 300cr+ which I think he will easy pass through…
Director Vijay Krishna Acharya, who has teamed up with Amitabh Bachchan for his next Thugs of
Hindostan, says working with the megastar is a dream come true.
“He is a talented actor and a great person. Most of us have come into the world of films because of him. I have told him that he is the big reason why I am in films. I am very excited and I am nervous as well to be working with him,” Vijay told PTI.
“But in that nervousness also there is an excitement. Hopefully, it will be all good. I am excited and nervous to work with him. I am a big fan of him. It was my dream to work with him. I was dying to work with him,” he said.
While his blockbuster film Oppam will celebrate 125 days of its release on Thursday, ace director Priyadarshan is busy working on three projects in 2017.
Priyadarshan told IANS that he is relieved that the Mohanlal starrer Oppam has been a roaring success.
“At the moment, I am working on two Hindi films and a Malayalam project. One Hindi film is for Venus Films, for which I have done a few films in the past. The script is being worked out and the cast would be decided shortly. It could well be Abhishek Bachchan. This would be the first one to go on the floors,” said Priyadarshan.
The second Hindi film is a remake of Oppam and Ajay Devgn will play the title role which was essayed by Mohanlal in the original.
“The central theme of the Hindi film is the same as that of Oppam, but I have made certain ‘cultural’ changes to suit the Bollywood tastes, and it would be visible more in the first half. We are planning to start the filming in September and would be ready for release by the end of this year or early next year,” said Priyadarshan.
Karan Johar, Salman Khan’s film with Akshay Kumar similar to Ajay Devgn’s next film?
It was earlier reported that Akshay Kumar will star in a film co-produced by Salman Khan and Karan Johar. This is a unique coupling (tripling?) as the three of them have never worked on a project together. They are also arguably the biggest names in the industry at the moment.
It was announced that the film will be ready to release in 2018, and will be directed by Anurag Singh.
However, Quint reports that this could cause major disconcert for Ajay Devgn and Randeep Hooda as they have been working on the pre-production of a film based on the historic Battle of Saragarhi.
The report claims that Akshay Kumar has been signed on to play Havaldar Ishar Singh, a military leader of 21 Sikh soldiers who led his army to a deathly war against Afghani invaders.
The war was then titled Battle of Saragarhi.
Ajay Devgn has announced the film last year itself, with the hashtag #sonsofsardaar indicating it would be a sequel of sorts to his 2012 film, Son of Sardar.
India news January 4, 2017 Dhoni steps down as limited-overs captain
MS Dhoni has stepped down as captain of India’s limited-overs teams ahead of the ODIs and T20Is against England in January. Dhoni will still be available for selection as a wicketkeeper-batsman for the series, though, the BCCI said on Wednesday evening.
The selectors are meeting to pick the squads on January 6 in Mumbai.
“On the behalf of every Indian cricket fan and the BCCI, I would like to thank MS Dhoni for his outstanding contribution as the captain of the Indian team across all formats,” BCCI chief executive Rahul Johri said. “Under his leadership, Indian team has touched new heights and his achievements will remain etched forever in the annals of Indian cricket.”
Dhoni had given up the Test captaincy in December 2014, when he retired from the format after the Melbourne Test. However, he stayed on as ODI and T20 international captain after having taken on those roles in 2007.
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Leaders nt only back you but they will nurture you.End of an era to an amazing journey of leadership loaded with grit n calmness #Dhoni
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What makes Dhoni think he can take decisions of such national (cricketing) interest all by himself. Does Not Lodha Committee have a view on it
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Clearly Dhoni thinks the moment has come. Thought he would quit after the Champions Trophy, but this is a selfless move.
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Time to stand up and applaud a magnificent servant, and indeed leader, of Indian cricket. #Dhoni
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World T20, World Cup, Champions Trophy, Test No 1, IPL titles, Champions League titles. Everything in the game. #Dhoni
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There is no one like you.
You’re the reason for millions of smiles.
Take a bow my Captain.🙏
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T20 World Cup
Test No 1
Champions League Winner.
WasimAkram: Dhoni has evolved as a leader, not just as cricketer ! In my opinion he is the best captain india ever had
My relationship with MS Dhoni is that of a father-son: Mohammed Shami – Zee News
It’s drop on Tuesday means the chance of the 400 CR benchmark have reduced. PK could still be outed by weekend potentially, weekends are key now. The KO punch to Sultan has been delivered, Saturday latest it will race past BB.
i hope FF record of BB for this decade is broken.3.54 cr of BB,then even KKHH FF can be broken(3.56 cr).in my opinion FF has to be increased by 20% atleast for current films compared to 90s movies to get a more holistic approach considering the overall entertaining options now a days and also piracy as well.
the note on DCH is utter nonsense. At many levels. In 2001 it did about 20 or so. Now let’s see how much that translates into in today’s money with the mushrooming of multiplexes in the last 15 years (specially since DCH was a multiplex deal)! My guess is it’s easily a 100 crores today. Piku did 80. Pink did 70 or perhaps a bit less. DZ is around 65. To quote a few examples of films that played to similar markets. Of course DCH is easily one of the most influential films in this period as well. But as a larger matter there has always been this utter stupidity of BOI when it comes to smaller multiplex films. They’re completely crude about this. If a producer does not budget a film the right way that’s his problem but otherwise many smaller films, even with stars, are meant for certain markets. They can only gross upto a point even in the best case scenario. This is why in Hollywood such films are released a certain way. Of course BOI, like the trade, also does not penalize much bigger films for underperforming quite badly at times. Because as long as some magic 100 or 200 or whatever figure is reached they think all’s well. Hence they’re kinder on Ra One than DCH! Go figure!
BOI is run by some hardcore baniya ch***ya with no artistic strand in his being, for whom it’s all about felicitating the biggest grossers only. These guys are shell-shocked with Dangal #s, but still stubbornly refuse to admit, learn or understand changing audience tastes and intelligence. DCH is the trendsetter of the urban multiplex movie, the spark that lit the fire which provided the confidence for further experimentation. It further morphed into monespinners such as JTYJN, TWM, and might I add even a 3I. Remember distinctly thinking that 3I may end up around 70-80crs, just because I thought it was too urban and non-massy. The 200crs it did was entirely reflective of changed audience tastes.
Its the fault of producers who overbudget and derail niche films. BOI really needs a primer-course on the effect of niche movies in setting trends and goading audiences to change tastes.
Akshay Kumar on Bengaluru molestation case: We are evolving backwards
Bengaluru ushered in 2017 with a horrific incident of molestation in the city. Bollywood stars took a strong stand against the shocking turn of events and expressed their anguish on social media. Joining the list is superstar Akshay Kumar, who took to his Facebook page, to express grief and disgust over the episode.
The Bangalore incident makes me feel we r evolving backwards,from humans to animals,rather beasts coz even animals are better!Truly shameful pic.twitter.com/FJwJ80Mkby
Akshay said, “I was getting out of the airport after a short vacation with family, and there was news flashing on the Bangalore Molestation case. The incident makes me feel we are evolving backwards, from humans to animals, rather beasts because even animals are better!”
The chances are low. Too many variables; tax, OK Jaanu impact, weekend vs. weekday performance. Right now it could be anything between 370-430, each day will alter the range. Either way, it’s cracking 350 CR unless of monumental collapse. It will require a 3rd week of 50+CR to be in the game.
My gosh,Boxofficemojo is showing $9.8 million in NA as of 2.1.17,so it must have broken pk record by now.just noticed PK is at no.25 in all time top 25 foreign movies as per mojo.dangal can go as high as 16 if it does $13 million.
@Jayshah -“A quick add-on. Aamir is NEVER the biggest star, he is just the biggest star using his brains at moment. His dedication to delete his 90’s model and replace it with getting involved in all aspects of filmmaking is something to be applauded”
Principally one can agree with the comment above but I am still trying to grasp all these excessive box office figures for a movie this unhurried / low key….to be frank this isn’t a Sholay or Deewar out here……
It’s all hypothetical but ‘using his brains at the moment’ is hard to deny. Aamir did not do college and admittedly failed to clear his 12th grade boards, but his brains have adequately mapped up a decent working plan in terms of ‘consumer economics’. By coming every 2 year he has optimized the demand and supply curve at the moment….
Restrict supply side which automatically raises demand / hunger for his movie – guarantee 200 cr opening on the basis of sharp demand curve.
Next step scare his consumers / fans that next movie not coming before 2 years so better gorge on whatever is available 2/3 times more (somewhat like compulsive hording) – get another 130-150cr to the totals.
Boom ! you have 350 cr in the kitty !
How can u explain people here thinking of watching Dangal a 3rd time……..its definitely not just the movie but likelihood of not getting to watch another aamir movie in near future which may be driving the numbers up the wall.
The question is this: how many more times will Aamir have to put up these totals before you start accepting some basic facts?
The problem in life always is that if you start with a faulty premise you have to eventually tie yourself up in knots to justify it. You’ve come up with more silly theories here. I’m not even going to respond to the specifics because at some point it’s even sillier on my part to do so. I have a simple suggestion though. If you just accept Aamir is the biggest star right now or at the very least the biggest along with Salman life might be much easier! But since you’re devoted to Salman in frankly abnormal ways it’s impossible for you to do this.
There is no debate here. Dangal has ended whatever debate you want to have…..the only thing left to see is if this thing is touching 400 or not…..now it’s upto Salman to see if he can get any of his 2017 releases past Dangal.
we wld see that livewire.but happens if he is not able to do that.beta zabardast trending karni padegi.dangal 2nd mon was 14 cr. while sultan mon was 4 cr. LOL.4 cr hahahahahahahaha.smash ya like sallu has been doing since or for that matter everyone since 2008.
@”The point is no matter what a partisan remains one no matter what facts.”
Let’s wait for the facts to be published on credible source….not this ‘partisan’ blog. Is there any trusty source coronating Aamir. Just yesterday Koimoi ( an accepted source on this blog) once again declared Salman undisputed box office winner by 500 points or so……
My aim here is to enlighten the folks for facts beyond this blog….
livewire points are given for movies crossing 100cr,200,300 cr etc.what abt flop movies,no points r deducted.it depends on no. of movies one does but what is most astonishing is aamir doing so less movies and still at no. 2 in points tally.
FYI Aamir gave 2 ATHG and ATBB in D3 and PK within a span of 1 year.one 300+cr and other 250+cr.Out of 3 sallu movies,only one is ATBB and neither is ATHG,one is an underperformer as well.what abt that.and aamir did that 2 years back.every year market is increasing rapidly
In between he has one Jai Ho as well & that too released after a gap of more than a year after Dabang 2 in Dec. 2012, but by livewire’s logic it should have broken all records going by his well-strategised gap theory?? But nothing of this sort happened, so why this easy formula to success didn’t yield desired fruit to Bhai?? Waiting for some very “deep Gyan” from livewire on this aspect! Aside, Aamir broke 3 opening weeks records within 9 months as with MP, RDB and Fanaa broke his own records that too in such a short time span!! Ghajini and 3 idiots were also record breakers despite releasing in a gap of 1 year!! Talaash didn’t break a single record despite it releasing after a gap of almost 3 years since 3 Idiots?? There is no single formula or theory to all this as it has combination of factors when a movie takes a grand opening & then content makes it sustain no matter who the star in taking it to 250+ Crore club as simple as this may seem 😉
I’m going to end my side of the debate, but still follow the BO story. Aamir is a superstar not as per conventional terms. From what little I know of bygone eras, he seems more modelled on Raj Kapoor, then a magnetic on screen presence. He can switch on the superstar ala Ghajini, D3 or 3I. The latter two he is aided by brands obviously. But those brands won’t succeed with any Joe blogs, there is a reason he is chosen and not Saif Ali Khan for example. You still need a popular star that adds weight, credibility to the project.
Aamir is more maverick and cerebral. There is a clear mandate to offer the audience the best possible film. He’ll dedicate everything for this. This comes at a cost. His fans DO get annoyed at delays AND lack of films but he delivers a polished and sometimes special film. If there were more like him and Hirani etc. you would get better content at a lower cost AND better overall collections. You only need 3 Aamir like films in a year to cover HALF of the industries collections. You need 12 Akshay Kumar films to do the same.
Less films, more time spent on each film…More space in calendar = better quality and probably better profits.
It’s not meant to offend Akshay fans, but just a general perception.
i hope demand and supply must have had also applied to our dear HR,then atleast he wouldn’t have got disasters in 2010(KITES,GUZ) coming after 2 years,also in 2016(MJ) coming after 2 years as well.LOLLLLLLLLL at livewire.he is as absurd as anyone i have read ever.
is amir khan the clint eastwood of hollywood ?
if you look at eastwood career then its similar pattern,
he started as side hero debuting in ” fistfull of dollars ” correct me if I am wrong..he started his own producton in 1967 ..still doing presently..only difference is amir khan does not do direct where as eastwood did all round..eastwood latest venture ‘American Sniper’ Shatters Records With $90.2 Million Weekend in 2015
amir khan is in similar path…srk has tried it and it bombed on him and so has amitabh..here amir khan has been smart and it has paid off huge and it so massive that no other actor dare to compete with him..next diwali its thug of hindostan,next xmas its the “next superstar “..salman is already occupying eid…whats left for srk…winter of disconent..very tough on him,Rahees is saviour and I think it will do well but not enough to catch Dangal because Kaabil is snatching some screens which could have had avoided..next 5 years I think amir khan will remain in top bringing variety and unique films….. after 5 years I do not think that any khans will dominate unless they star in different character roles and not romancing against 20 year olds…
overseas is different kettle of fish..muslim community are very loyal so that strong hold will continue..srk has been bismal in india but overseas he is still very hot in box-office,dangal is just beaten my name is khan ,if dangal was srk then you would had seen the fastest 200cr …
Aamir has absolutely NOTHING in common with Clint Eastwood. NOTHING. Eastwood was never a box office force and not one of the movies where he was the main lead ever shattered any box office record or were that high on the list.
As for overseas muslim community analogy, its laughable. You really think that muslims in US \ England are waiting for a Khan movie to come so they can financially support it? It’s not like Aamir Khan is flopping in india but outgrossing everyone else outside.
‘If Dangal was SRK’…you can just stop this sentence here because SRK would never do a movie like Dangal. Or if he tries, it would not look like this. No other leading actor on Earth would spend 80% of the movie as fat 55 year old father while spending exactly 32 seconds on his younger self.
I am talking about CLINT EASTWOOD the ACTOR. Did you even bother to look into his career? Ofcourse not…so here you go and please educate yourself about the subject before writing about it. Also, his awards have nothing to do with his box office.
Its an interesting debate that is going on here. I can very well see that these discussions can get campy. Livewire is Salman fan and he paints all the discussions in that light and somehow other members are more Aamir fan. Been following lot of this blog and prior Naachgaana. What i feel is Boxoffice discussions need to be done counting all the aspects of what goes into that Movie.
Here, i feel from an economic consistency point of view, i would pick Salman Khan as the main draw since he can deliver big hits without paying much heed to the content. However he too realizes when you have to focus on content you will get films like BB and when not, you will get PRDP within that Span. His model is being true to his larger then life image and work on your strength.
The problem with the above is, the fans then take and discredit and malign the facts to suit there agenda. I cannot discredit Aamir’s acheivement,its monumental. May be if he is also doing lot of movies in a year, It might affect the quality. But the fact is Aamir’s is a brand. Its almost bordering unfortunate that Audience WANTS and DEMANDS quality from Aamir and that plays to Brand Aamir strength and him associating with a script, gives it a halo like feel. If it succeeds, its GOLD. Thats what has been happening since 2008.
If it for me i will give the title to Salman using the WWE analogy since i have him as the main draw in formats like RAW, Survivor Series and many other events. But i will keep Aamir as the draw for Wrestle Mania as that will be the biggest draw.
Coming onto BOI’s analysis on DCH Syndrome. Thats utter Stupidity. Simple answer to that is Release planning. Why can’t the producers just focus there content centered to the audience segment they are targetting. BOI seems to have lost the track of time that that taste, preferences continue to evolve. I mean come on, 2014 Elections were won on the technology and social media prowess. Secondly the attention span is reducing constantl along with the competing avenues of entertainment.
The day India has average Internet Bandwidth speed matching upto the likes of US. The Cities will focus on consuming content when they want iand wherever they want. Multiplexes will have hard time to find content. The core problems lies in the content and films like PINK have succeeded.
Anyways this has become a rant. I will shutup for now.
I’ll take this analogy any day. I stopped watching Raw years back, may loop in to see what’s happening online but only watch if something exciting happened much like Salman recently. Will always follow WM, it’s the Superbowl equivalent. The showpiece event where the key storytelling is either closed out or developed. It’s where WWE makes its key revenue, it’s got vast historical significance. It’s the final essentially and the event where Mohammed Ali, Pamela Anderson, Floyd Meatherway, Mike Tyson, Donald Trump etc turn up or centres upon.
Everyone ratchets up their performances. If you were to list the greatest wrestling matches ever most will be iconically linked to WM. The significance of other shows is diminished. And trust me this analogy only weakened the argument for Salman, don’t get me talking WWE, I know everything!!!
Look at Raw ratings from the heavy heights of late 90s and early 00s and compare it to WM buy rights. Raw has dwindled away, has the occasional surge. WM viewing has increased revenue wise but probably not # wise.
All the health experts privately are disgusted with the way Aamir made the sudden loss of weight look like organic via his video. They say without steroids or chemicals, one cannot make a large tummy turn into 6 pack abs at such a short time (less than a year)?
1. In order to lose weight, you won’t need riods. As per Aamir’s video he lost the excess weight in a little over 5 months. That is a pretty reasonable rate for the amount of weight he lost. Especially, he was not overweight to begin with before he reached the 90+ kg mark. So it is easier for him to drop the first few excess pounds right off the bat. I think, during the first phase (in Arizona as per an interview) he was doing cardio for 5-6 hours of different activities with reduced calorie intake. He later maintained a steady run rate of 2-3 lbs per week. This is a pretty healthy rate and will also not cause to develop stretch marks or sagging skin. I can drop 3-4 pounds per week with less exercise than what he was doing. So, no big deal here.
2. Building muscle. This is a very sketchy area. One can build muscle without riods but juicing will take your body and muscle definition to a new level. In addition to giving strength, doping reduces the recovery time and muscles heal faster. Non steroid users normally supplement with natural or synthetic protein & creatine etc while doing the weight training but I think that is not the reason for debate here.
These days lot of people, younger adults and older folk as well have been doping to an extent(micro) to gain better muscle definition. Unfortunate this is becoming more common for the wrong reasons. Aamir might have used just enough to be on the safer levels for Dangal.
I am pretty sure Hollywood and Bollywood (Since last 15-20 years) have been using steroids to build their bodies. To make it sound like Aamir invented this thing is again disingenuous.
All these great bodies you see from the indian stars are not natural. Be it, Hrithik, Salman, Aamir (Ghajini), John Abraham, Shahrukh (Happy New Year), Shahid Kapoor, Ranveer, Varun Dhawan have taken steroids. There are no if or buts about it. Some of them did it for a specific movie/period and others like Hrithik consistently take them. IMO Hrithik is juicing to the gills. There is no way anyone can achieve that kind of muscle detail without help. It is easy to recognize, who dopes and who doesn’t. The more definition or littler muscles you see in someone, the more they are doping.
Sorry for picking only these two guys for now but you get the idea. Salman’s behavior with Aishwarya, hitting her, driving his car into the garage etc could be roid rage as well. There are all kinds of effects 🙂
But didn’t he say he did go BEYOND the time-line to do that? We work at our desks for 8 hours and he said that’s the number of hours he put EVERY DAY to cut his belly-fat.
Now I am not saying he is some saint and he would not take external aid: But his statement in the Nahata video that his doctor in Arizona mentioned that this is one of the WORST drastic reductions he has seen in his life and that Aamir is lucky he got away with it, makes it a little believable. But yes, I do leave it to the health experts.
But I agree that it was ridiculous that he did that for a 40 second scene. Crazy fellow.
I feel Aamir is too smart to do that , after gaining so much weight he already had breathing problems , using steroids would be the last thing he would want to do . He has done it in the past for Ghajini and D3 so i don’t doubt his sincerity and dedication .
Solid 2nd Thursday hold minimal drop vs. Wednesday. 316CR in kitty. 84CR to go to hit the next benchmark. Racing past BB today…A drop of just approx. 40% week on week, the lowest since 3 Idiots for any 200+CR grosser.
Hindi collections stands at 304 cr , Hindi + other languages are 313.50 till Thursday , where did you get 316 cr number from ? 400 would be a bit of a stretch , more looks to be in the range of 370 -385 finish .
Gosh Now i so want Dangal to cross 400. Whatever it has already done is historic. Now 400+ will be the new high. Even 380 will be high but its just that media loves ’00s else they will round off 380 to 300+