Tubelight, the rest of the box office

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  1. sanjana Says:

    Tubelight Music: Pritam Says ‘It Wasn’t An Easy Album To Compose’
    Pritam has previously worked with Kabir Khan and Salman Khan in the duo’s last blockbuster Bajrangi Bhaijaan

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  2. sanjana Says:

    Dangal’s Worldwide Collections Close To Reaching 2000 Cr Mark
    Dangal still remains the highest Bollywood grosser so far, let see what happens after Salman Khan’s Tubelight releases tomorrow.
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    Koimoi.com Team –
    June 22, 2017

    Aamir Khan’s Dangal has been phenomenal at the Chinese box office. The film is still adding moolah and currently stands with a collection of approximately 1208 crores at the Chinese box office. It has already become the first Indian film to make such a huge collection in China.

    The sports drama has impressed the audiences in India as well as overseas. Dangal’s worldwide collections now stand at 1992 crores which is huge.

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  3. sanjana Says:

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  4. This shows the real class/crassness of Virat Kohli:

    Virat Kohli deletes welcome tweet for Anil Kumble after his resignation
    INDIA SAMVADINDIA SAMVAD
    22 JUNE 2017 09:28 GMT

    New Delhi, June 22
    Indian captain Virat Kohli has taken the world by surprise by deleting his welcome tweet for ex Team India head coach Anil Kumble.

    After Kumble’s appointment as coach in June 2016, Kohli had tweeted: “Heartliest welcome to Anil Kumble Sir. Look forward to your tenure with us. Great things in store for Indian cricket with you”. The tweet was pretty much there till last night, but was deleted this morning.

    While Kohli has deleted his tweet, Anil Kumble’s reply still exists.

    Kumble, who resigned from the post recently had mentioned that the reason for his stepping down was that the captain did not like his style of coaching. Kumble was appointed head coach in 2016, just ahead of India’s tour of West Indies.

    The last time Kohli spoke on the issue was before their Champions Trophy opener against Pakistan where he quashed the reports of his alleged rift with Kumble as mere rumours. Since then, Kohli was kept mum.

    The latest revelations clearly shocked the Indian cricket fraternity and fans who have now been able to identify certain aspects of the sordid saga deriving opinions through the clarifications from Kumble and the BCCI.

    ArticleWeb.aspx?regionid=15&articleid

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      National Award winning actor Manoj Bajpayee, who will soon be seen as an army officer in Neeraj Pandey’s upcoming film Aiyaary, has finished first schedule shooting in Kashmir.

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  6. Anil Kumble wanted Virat Kohli to bat first in Champions Trophy final against Pakistan: Report
    If a BCCI official has to be believed there were more than one reasons behind this rift including Virat Kohli’s decision to bowl first against Pakistan in the ICC Champions Trophy final-
    http://www.financialexpress.com/sports/anil-kumble-wanted-virat-kohli-to-bat-first-in-champions-trophy-final-against-pakistan-report/730706/lite/

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    • jayshah Says:

      LOL whatever the past or CAC whatever. Kumble is right here. And if true Kohli is very stupid. He should 100% be sacked based on this alone. Screams of a disobedient child.

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    • sanjana Says:

      This is too much! Threatening is not done.

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      • Inside reports suggests if BCCI is not happy with Kohli in immediate future, Rohit Sharma has chance to take over Captaincy.

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    • jayshah Says:

      This response is obvious and far too dirty to get into. You place a Captain or Coach. You support them 100%. The spirit is not to give threats. Ultimately the interests of Indian cricket is the priority.

      Obviously Kohli has to prove something. No need for it to be public.

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      • Either the BCCI should have stuck with Kumble or if they didn’t there’s no point in adding extra pressure on Kohli. They’re constantly leaking stuff and as usual making things worse.

        On the toss not surprised Kumble thought that! It was the most reasonable choice under the circumstances. and this is not like being wise after the event. It’s the sort of thing many captains do in this situation.

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        • jayshah Says:

          It’s a default position unless for any unusual circumstances. BCCI are really something. Damage control required immediately. Seems to me the only option is give Kohli who he wants as he’s already dug his own grave – sink or swim. His value as batsman is crucial more than captaincy. Off the record it should be clear that he must make it work.

          It really does feel Kumble has got shafted to the extent he’ll never go for this job again.

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  7. Tubelight’ movie review: Kabir Khan loses the plot

    looks like salman has a dud in his name..never mind dangal it will not beat BB record.

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/citytimes/bollywood/tubelight-movie-review-get-ready-to-shed-some-tears-of-disbelief

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    • IdeaUnique Says:

      clearly this is a business deal for sallu as it is his home production and “make the hey while the sun shines….” kind of deal…..pocket cool 150-200 cr kind of profits riding on BB success and move on…..

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  8. thecooldude Says:

    Its amazing the kind of reaction one defeat can have in India and Pakistan. Any other country will take this defeat and not make hasty decision right after it. Its obvious that Kohli knows that he has a lot of power (and player backing) which is why he is willing to take on BCCI. He has shown to be a really good captain (one game does not decide anything). I think at the end Kohli will get the coach he wants but I am sure that BCCI will have a private chat with him to calm things down.

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  9. KRK‏Verified account @kamaalrkhan 3m3 minutes ago
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    Now Salman khan fans are abusing me for giving honest review. Means They are much bigger idiots than the #bhakts!

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  10. Livewire Says:

    This one is for the Oscar and slow churning…wires will be connected and come alive on Dec 22nd with fireworks. ….. 15 straight set of 25 cr packs.

    Oscar Best Movie

    Last year – Spotlight
    This year – Moonlight
    Next year – Tube light

    Tubelight review: Salman Khan plays a vulnerable role for the first time, and aces it

    Tubelight does have a great message: hope pulls us through in any situation we may find ourselves in. A worthwhile watch.

    http://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/tubelight-review-salman-khan-plays-a-vulnerable-role-for-the-first-time-and-aces-it-3733241.html

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    • P.K Talli Says:

      This one is for the Oscar and slow churning…wires will be connected and come alive on Dec 22nd with fireworks. ….. 15 straight set of 25 cr packs.

      Oscar Best Movie

      Last year – Spotlight
      This year – Moonlight
      Next year – Tube light

      LOL !

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    • Some point self awareness is important in life. You were gung ho in Tubelight initially especially on China front due to Chinese actress. Eventually you have been humbled. Now this TZH business. Surely BB2 has showed you anything is possible but being a little child about it is not practical. This is a great opportunity to revisit your Salman (I mean prediction).

      BB2 had 6 days of 25 CR + but more if you account for South business. At most 10 days. Do some homework.

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      • Livewire Says:

        Bollywood and esp the bollywood superstars are bad at adapting to times barring a few and then make it worse by getting victimized to herd mentality so prevalent in film industry. Once the promos came out it was clear they over read Bajrangi Bhaijaan success. Emotional content cannot be manufactured but the circumstances pull or tug at your heartstrings….not crying and tears.

        Kabir seemed to have started on an ambitious project but filmed it too soon and this is one of the biggest issue with Salman these days with all his multitasking….trying to meet deadlines and release strategies. Ideally movies should be properly scripted, fine tuned, filmed as per requirements and then only a release strategy be devised and not the other way round.

        Being self aware / getting humbled by these movies and box-office discussions / blogs ? ……now c’mon !!

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  12. KRK has slaughtered Tubelight…

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  13. Looks like my initial thoughts are coming true. Though I think Kabir Khan is good film maker, I think he took upon a wrong project and especially casting Salman as man-child. This might be the 1st big movie in recent time I might miss on big screen. Not feeling it..

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  14. Bahubali 2 (Hindi) Is Mission Impossible For Others
    Wednesday 21 June 2017 12.30 IST
    Box Office India Trade Network

    Bahubali – The Conclusion is coming to the end of its run and it will be a 508 crore nett (705 GROSS) finish and it has probably stopped the trend where all time records are broken every few years. This is because films like PK and Dangal were doing phenomenally well but they were not those great ALL TIME BLOCKBUSTERS which got 5 crore people to the theatres like a Sholay, Hum Aapke Hain Kaun or Gadar which led to these films holding records for years. There will be so many huge films in the next 2-3 years that will be expected to challenge Bahubali – The Conclusion but the sort of cinema being made by our industry means Bahubali – The Conclusion is a safe bet until the ticket rates get high enough for a 525 crore nett figure to come with 3.5-4 crore footfalls. The new GST tax may help a little if that is the only tax but then the comparison becomes GROSS as the box office dynamics have changed and 700 crore GROSS won’t be there.

    There will be talk about if the content is great then the records will be smashed but its not exactly about CONTENT here but CONVICTION. There is a type of storytelling which delivers huge numbers which we have seen with Dangal or Bajrangi Bhaijaan and then you add the formula cinema with melodrama which Bajrangi Bhaijaan and Dangal have but subtly. A Bahubali – The Conclusion celebrates this cinema unabashedly without subtly and thats the difference. The content of Bajrangi Bhaijaan and Dangal cannot be faulted in any. Bahubali 2 is basically on the lines of a Suraj (1966) or a Dharam Veer (1977) and many others where a prince goes to a neighboring area and falls in love with a princess who is loved by a joker prince. The prince proves to be the hero and wins the girl and brings her back but his family members have stirred up trouble and he looses his crown which he has to get back. Its a simple story done many times in the history of our cinema.

    This sort of cinema today needs conviction more than at any other time as there is a very fine line of it falling flat on its face and being ridiculed or becoming Bahubali – The Conclusion and the fact is that no filmmaker in the Hindi film industry will have this conviction as won’t believe in this cinema, and if you don’t believe in it then you can’t make the audience believe. The great filmmakers of Hindi cinema like Mehboob Khan, Raj Kapoor, Raj Khosla, Manmohan Desai and Manoj Kumar had this conviction and that is why they had such huge blockbusters similar to Bahubali 2 – The Conclusion. These guys must have around 10-12 films between doing 4-5 crore footfalls or even more. There were no other forms to watch films then like television or video but this is equaled up by the fact that the population has doubled since then.

    At the time these legends made films it was an audience and today this audience has become single screen audience, multiplex audience, big city audience, small city audience, evolved audience, leave your brains behind audience and what not. When an audience is divided in such a way where will the conviction come as everybody may say they stay true to the script but the fact that this audience may not accept that or that audience may not accept this is there no matter what anyone says. When the thinking is that the audience is one these things become secondary. This is actually what Bahubali – The Conclusion proves that its still just an audience and a good film will work with all. In fact not just Bahubali – The Conclusion but any blockbuster proves this but at varying levels. The level of Bahubali – The Conclusion will only come if makers believe in this type of cinema, the audience does as can be seen in the results but its pretty certain that no big Hindi film director will green light a story like Bahubali – The Conclusion.

    There will be people in our industry that will see the grandeur and scale of the film as the reason for its huge success and if one attempts to replicate on this belief it will lead to disaster as in our cinema the story and the way its told holds much more importance. Simply put the Bahubali – The Conclusion numbers are here to stay for a long time, in time its 508 crore nett will be crossed but those 5.25 crore footfalls is another mission altogether.

    Although its a long shot, the hope is that one of our Hindi filmmakers pulls in over 5 crore people into the theatres and gives that historic blockbuster as this will change Hindi cinema for sure and for the better. At the moment, the industry sees S.S. Rajamouli at another level and playing in a different league in a different industry so it does not change much but when one of your own guy goes and does the unthinkable then the picture does changes as others believe we can also achieve that. .

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    • All of BOI’s pro-BB2 talk is more or less a way of dealing with Aamir’s biggest grossers. There’s nothing more to it. Now one could say many things about BB2 and many of us here have said it but BOI is once again using it as an excuse for their dishonesty. The amusing thing is that they’ve also themselves gone overboard with all kinds of films calling them blockbusters or whatever. So yeah Dangal isn’t an all-time blockbuster judged by those historical standards (of course this is another red herring? Who said it was HAHK?) but hey I’ll take the film’s 385 cr or whatever (leaving aside the foreign gross, leaving aside China) over the 300 or Bajrangi and the even lower gross everyone else has! The other dishonesty here is that Aamir is breaking records in non-mass oriented films. Films like PK or Dangal shouldn’t be setting the pace. Salman’s masala ought to be. So Aamir is in fact maximizing his gross. To be that far ahead of the competition with a film like Dangal is incredible. Why can’t Salman do it with Tubelight? Why couldn’t he cross PK with Bajrangi? In any case all the BB2 commentary is more bull from BOI much as when they use historical examples they are always eager to bring up as many Deol family examples as possible. So yeah one Sholay, one Gadar, one HAHK. One wouldn’t think there was a star called Bachchan somewhere in there who had lots of remarkable blockbusters. Even when they talk about Desai they mention Dharam Veer! LOL! This is just a propaganda site that has only made itself more and more ridiculous over time. Except for people who want to buy the propaganda. All this pro-BB2 talk is just a way of being anti-Aamir. No mystery here. As always it’s the stupidity with which things are framed that offends one more than anything else.

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      • “The other dishonesty here is that Aamir is breaking records in non-mass oriented films. Films like PK or Dangal shouldn’t be setting the pace. Salman’s masala ought to be. So Aamir is in fact maximizing his gross. To be that far ahead of the competition with a film like Dangal is incredible.”

        Well said! I think this the v reason why likes of BOI are unnerved with Aamir’s success.

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      • Their BP is increasing as Dangal is nearing 2000 crore worldwide gross! They dont have guts to name who is writing those anti aamir commentaries. And they have forgotten Prakash Mehra.

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  15. Bahubali 2 Beats Many Long Running Blockbusters In Week Seven
    Wednesday 21 June 2017 12.00 IST
    Box Office India Trade Network

    Bahubali – The Conclusion (Hindi) has racked up huge collections in the seventh week of over 2 crore nett. Despite having huge records in the early weeks the film is still competing with long running films of the previous decades in its seventh week.

    It has the fifth highest seventh week of all time and is just 50 lakhs off the second highest placed film which had tax exemptions. It has beaten long running blockbusters like Kuch Kuch Hota Hai, Kaho Naa… Pyaar Hai. The film was being screened on around 350 theatres on its 50th day as far as the Hindi version goes. For Comparison with recent films, the collections of Dangal in week seven were 97 lakhs nett, Bajrangi Bhaijaan was 65 lakhs nett and PK was 45 lakhs nett. Below are the top ten seventh weeks of all time of the year.

    1. Gadar Ek Prem Katha (2001) – 4,95,00,000

    2. Lage Raho Munnabhai (2006) – 2,96,00,000 (Tax Free in Maharashtra and Delhi)

    3. Raja Hindustani (1996) – 2,84,50,000

    4. Dilwale dulhania Le Jayenge – 2,66,75,000

    5. Bahubali 2 (2017) – 2,54,00,000 (Hindi Only)

    6. 3 idiots (2009) – 2,49,50,000

    7. Kuch Kuch Hota Hai (1998) – 2,48,00,000

    8. Kaho Naa… Pyaar Hai (200) – 2,38,50,000

    9. No Entry (2005) – 2,37,00,000

    10. Kabhi Kushi Kabhie Gham – 2,23,00,000

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  16. Dangal WW is a bigger mission impossible for others than BB2 Hindi version.BOI has taken bias to the highest possible level.

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  17. Was looking forward to watching Tubelight tomorrow. However, everything from promos to even krks review has killed the hype. Also in Little Boy, the father comes back from the war in the climax, are we to assume Sohail Khan also comes back at the end? Doesn’t that make the whole film pointless?
    Will wait for it on TV…

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  18. The Times of IndiaSports

    Opening up for the first time, Kohli said that he will never reveal dressing-room details
    Kohli said “he respects” Kumble’s decision to quit and that there is highest regard for him as a player
    Kohli spoke about how dressing room details are sacred to him, which, at any cost, can’t be shared with the public

    PORT OF SPAIN: Speaking for the first time, Virat Kohli on Thursday said that he will never reveal dressing-room details, in an apparent reference to the now retired coach Anil Kumble’s statement that their partnership had become “untenable”.

    Kumble stepped down a couple of days back due to differences with the India captain. Kohli said “he respects” Kumble’s decision to quit and that there is highest regard for him as a player.

    “Obviously Anil bhai has expressed his views and he has taken a decision to step out and we will respect that decision. It’s something that has happened right after the tournament,” Kohli said on the eve of the first ODI against the West Indies.

    While he felt that Kumble is entitled to his opinion, in a roundabout manner, the skipper spoke about how dressing room details are sacred to him, which, at any cost, can’t be shared with the public.

    “One thing for sure is that I have had 11 press conferences that have happened during the Champions Trophy. We have created a culture over the last 3-4 years that whatever happens in the change room, we have tried to maintain the sanctity of the change room throughout. That is what the whole team believes in. For us that is paramount,” Kohli stated.

    The skipper said that he and his players respect Kumble’s achievements as a player.

    “I have total respect for him as a cricketer and what he has achieved for the nation. All the years that he has played. There’s no taking away that aspect of him at all. And we all respect him totally,” Kohli very consciously made it clear that he won’t talk about coach Kumble’s role.

    He was asked about Kumble’s approach while coaching and he stoically maintained his stance.

    “Like I said, for me what’s most important is to maintain the sanctity of the dressing-room and what happens in the change-room is something that’s very sacred and private to all of us.

    “… And something that I would not express in details in a public scenario. As I said, his point of view is out there and we respect that decision.”

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    • Classy but political. Smell guilt but knows telling any truth will be thrown back at him when India lose, plus he’s got a team to protect.

      From this I really think a coach is pointless for India. The dressing room are well equipped enough to dominate the world.

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      • I wrote elsewhere:

        “Why do we need coach? I think coach job is to implement long term vision along with giving feedback to players…Captain job is to implement the long term goals on daily basis….

        For the team Virat is more important than Kumble…You can replace Kumble but not Kohl…If they are not getting along, obviously Kumble needs to go…

        Having said that, Kohli or anyone wouldn’t share why t happened because they will look foolish because someone was asking them to work harder. If tone was not right, it could have been corrected with joint seating with coach, player and CAC members..”

        But then it also happens he deletes one year old tweet welcoming Kumble…

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      • yeah he’s been smooth here..

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      • To whom is Kohli trying to make a fool by using words like “sanctity & respect” for not divulging the reasons behind Kumble’s forceful resignation?? In broad day light, he indulges himself in hurling the choicest of abuses at the opposition at the drop of the hat & here he is acting in full soap-opera style through such maudlin & childish justifications!! Kumble has “earned” the respect of the Nation & the opposition and it’d make no difference to his legacy as a cricketer even if 100 Kohlis don’t “respect” his achievements, none whatsoever in the status of Kumble as a fighter, a 100% committed & passionate cricketer yet retaining the “sanctity of gentlemen’s game” by maintaining his gentlemanship throughout his career as a player & later as a captain & afterwards in various roles as an administrator (as a president of KSCA), as a mentor & in several other different capacities, yet never did we hear of his “autocratic methods” not once in his career of 28 years!! And all of a sudden, he becomes ” a dictatorial, headmasterly, over-disciplinarian” as alleged by Kohli & gang to get rid of this “thorn”!! Until Kohli comes clean on the very aspects under which Kumble had to resign, Kohli’s role in forceful exit of Kumble would remain dubious & he be held accountable for Kumble’s unceremonious departure as a coach.

        Anil Kumble can’t have issues with anyone, says Harbhajan Singh

        With growing speculations regarding the situation between Virat Kohli and Anil Kumble, veteran spinner Harbhajan Singh has come out in support of his former teammate and said that in his 15 years of cricketing career, there was no instance of Kumble indulging in a fight with any teammate or any player.
        “Only present players will be able to tell what his relations with Anil bhai are. In my 15 years of playing with him, there has been no instance of any fight with him and he’s the best bowling mind in cricket, he’s always there to help. He’s been brilliant and he has played a major role in making me what I am today and I would like to thank him for that, ” Harbhajan said at the Aaj Tak Salaam Cricket 2017 conclave. For rest follow the link:
        http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/anil-kumble-cant-have-issues-with-anyone-says-harbhajan-singh-4683307/

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  19. Kumble never asked for a vote in selection meetings

    Over the last several days, various proposals put forth by Anil Kumble at the behest of the Committee of Administrators during their Sunday(May 21) meeting in Hyderabad have filtered into public domain. Very few of them are true, of course. Including the porous dissemination that Kumble had asked for a vote for himself in selection matters.

    Historically, Indian coaches have either sat in or been a remote presence at selection committee meetings to pick senior sides. The policy was dispensed with at some stage during Duncan Fletcher’s tenure as coach, primarily because the former Zimbabwe captain was seldom in India when teams were being picked and didn’t really follow domestic cricket with any great consistency to offer meaningful inputs.

    Kumble has been Indian head coach for the better part of 11 months now. During his tenure, there have been at least a dozen selection meetings, and the former skipper has been part of just one of those meetings, very early in his stint and at his insistence. All Kumble has suggested now is that the head coach – whoever that might be in future too – should sit in on the meetings and be a part of the deliberations, not have an electoral say in who should be picked and who should not.

    One of the first things Kumble had stressed when he took charge was keeping lines of communication open. Should the head coach not be privy to the goings-on inside the selection meeting, it becomes impossible for him to tell a particular player why he has been left out, and what he needs to do to bring himself back into the reckoning. The Australian and English coaches actually are part of their respective selection panels, with a voting right should any matter be put to vote. Against that backdrop, for Kumble to suggest that the BCCI return to norm and include the Indian head coach in the discussions isn’t asking for the moon. Or for a vote, as some name-hiding board officials have told us.

    The insinuation that a seat on the selection panel brings with it Rs 60 lakh annually, and that’s what Kumble is targeting, is at once laughable, ludicrous and disrespectful. Motivated twisting of facts to string the unsuspecting along is an art that has been mastered by sports administrators across disciplines in the country, but to try to suck Kumble into the morass is extraordinarily poor form on the part of these ‘unnamed’ Board officials.

    Phrases such as ‘unionist stance’ would indicate a no-holds-barred showdown when the simple fact is that all of Kumble’s suggestions – and that’s what they are – are neither ultimatums nor voluntary. Tasked specifically by the Committee of Administrators to work out a template for Indian cricket, Kumble’s proposals are not directed towards himself, but for the larger group going forward. As if he doesn’t have enough on his plate, a player as senior as Harbhajan Singh has appealed to his former captain to take up cudgels on behalf of domestic cricketers. Perhaps, having made his international debut 19 years back, Harbhajan should have realised that it was a matter he ought to have taken up with either the CEO of the BCCI, or with the CoA themselves.

    The topic of Kumble’s annual retainership has become another talking point. No one is sure what the executive professionals in the board are making, so it is unfair to bandy numbers around publicly when it comes to the head coach or the support staff. Especially when the team is already in England and fine-tuning preparations for the defence of the Champions Trophy, these pin-pricks are best avoided.
    http://m.wisdenindia.com/full-story.php?category=News&id=255412&

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  20. Twitter goes crazy as Virat Kohli deletes his old tweet welcoming Kumble as coach and unfollows him
    by Rajdeep Puri @rajdeep1494
    Tweets3 hrs ago

    What’s the Story?Amidst all the controversy and speculation regarding the captain-coach spat between Virat Kohli and Anil Kumble, the Indian cricket team captain has apparently deleted his old tweet welcoming Kumble as the coach of the Indian cricket team. He also unfollowed him on twitter.On 23 June 2016, Kohli took to Twitter to welcome Kumble as the coach of the team. He had tweeted “Heartiest welcome to @anilkumble1074 [Anil Kumble] Sir. Look forward to your tenure with us. Great things in store for Indian Cricket with you.”

    Kumble was quick in his response and said that he was looking forward to working with Kohli. His tweet read: “Thanks @imVkohli looking forward to working with you and team India.
    The Context
    Nearly one year after being appointed as the coach of the side, Kumble decided to step down from the post shortly after India’s Champions Trophy 2017 campaign which saw them finish as the runners-up to arch-rivals Pakistan in a one-sided final.Kumble revealed an open letter on Facebook and Twitter revealing the reason as to why he stepped down as the coach.

    The Details:
    One of the main reasons for Kumble stepping down as the coach was the bitter relationship with Kohli. Apparently, Kohli had some issues with Kumble’s style as a coach and wanted a change as soon as possible. There has been a lot of blame being put on Kohli without anyone listening to his side of the story.According to reports by CricketNext, a BCCI official had offered Kumble an extension of two weeks but Kumble refused it.
    What’s Next?
    India will now take on West Indies in 5 ODIs and one T20I without a coach.
    Author’s Take
    What happened in the past should stay in the past and it was an unnecessary move by Kohli to delete his old tweet welcoming Jumbo to the team. By doing so, he is garnering a lot of unwanted attention and is adding fuel to the fire. With all that is happening, let’s just hope India’s performances on the field are not affected.
    https://m.sportskeeda.com/cricket/virat-kohli-deletes-his-old-tweet-welcoming-kumble-as-coach-and-unfollows-him-twitter-goes-crazy

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  21. Tubelight is getting actually quite good reviews

    Aniruddha Guha
    Sarita Tanwar
    Tushar Joshi

    All thumbs up and around 3.5/5 which bodes well for the movie

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  22. Tubelight movie review: Salman Khan film flickers a lot with a little late glow
    Written by Shubhra Gupta | New Delhi |
    Published on: June 23, 2017 1:23 am

    Tubelight movie cast: Salman Khan, Sohail Khan, Matin Rey Tangu, Zhu Zhu, Mohammed Zeeshan Ayyub, Om Puri, Shah Rukh Khan
    Tubelight movie director: Kabir Khan

    Tubelight movie rating: 1.5 stars

    A man child. Or a child-like man. Salman Khan has had long practice of playing one or the other kind of male, and has aced both. His latest alter ego takes the child-like aspect of man several notches higher. Salman’s character Laxman Singh Bisht is called, disparagingly, ‘tubelight’. Why? Simple. It flickers. It takes time to switch on. And then, and then only, there is light.

    Because it is Salman, we go in looking for a plot designed to propel him, and us, towards that light. And because it is Kabir Khan, who has the ability to layer mainstream with meaning, and who has given the star one of his most memorable films, Bajrangi Bhaijaan, we hope for the magic to work again.
    But this time around, in which the director and the star set their sights on China, it is not to be. Tubelight presents Salman in full Forrest Gump mode. Laxman, the golden-hearted simpleton, not only loves his brother Bharat (Sohail Khan), he also teaches us to love our neighbours, during peace or strife. It matters not where the borders are; love conquers all.
    The message is perfect, especially apt for these manic times. The messenger is far from. The effort, on Salman’s part, to come off slow-witted, shows in every frame. It’s all feels constructed, and on the surface, with no nuance. Instead of Hindi Chini bhai bhai, it is more like Hindi Chini, bye bye.
    Which is a pity because Kabir pulled off a most entertaining ‘aman ki asha’ with Pakistan. In Tubelight, he goes back 55 years (it’s set in the backdrop of the 62 war): Bharat enrolls in the army, goes off to fight, and then vanishes, leaving Laxman devastated. A ‘Chinese’ looking mum-and-son (Zhu Zhu and Matin Rey Tangu) becomes the target of the villagers’ ire. Of course, everything is their fault.
    Of course, the duo is Indian. Done better, the two Khans (three actually, because Sohail has a significant share of the screen as well as a production credit) could have said something very important about racism and widespread discrimination against north-easterners, called ‘chinkies’, and other humiliating names. Yes, they are as Indian as anyone else. But Tubelight squanders that opportunity.
    Some of the film’s more likeable moments are shared between Laxman and the little boy, who’s completely edible, and an absolute natural. The supporting cast is solid. It includes the late Om Puri, as a father-figure to the brothers, and Zeeshan Ayyub as a local hothead, among others. And Sohail reprises his familiar act as the caring ‘bhai’.
    But when the main act isn’t convincing, the film becomes just like the title: mostly flicker with a little late glow. The one word that’s used almost in every other line in the film is ‘yakeen’. The film should have been infused with it. Here we just don’t buy it.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/movie-review/tubelight-movie-review-salman-khan-matin-rey-tangu-zhu-zhu-shah-rukh-khan-star-rating-4717161/

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  23. 3.5/5

    http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/tubelight-movie-review-salman-khan-gives-a-heartfelt-performance-in-this-touching-tale-of-sibling-love/

    3.5/5

    http://www.dnaindia.com/movie-reviews/review-tubelight-review-salman-khan-delivers-a-sentimental-kick-straight-to-the-heart-2481103

    From Guha:

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    • jayshah Says:

      The DNA one though positive suggests it’s a fans film. Generally it seems decent, but slow meandering film I’m not convinced about.

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    • Even it flops, Kabir Khan is a good film maker and responsible one. He doesn’t make business movie projects and always has a story and political situation to back it up and offer something new on the table!

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  24. I am not feeling Tubelight. Salman cannot play a man child running around with his brother trying to evoke emotions. As Livewire pointed out on top, emotions cannot be manufactured by the script, they need to be the part of the flow.

    Simply put Salman will like to focus on TZH as that is his absolute vehicle unlike TL wherein the promos give it a dull feeling, kind of Ajay Devgan movie wherein he played challanged father to a child. Still its Salman and Eid, so 250 crore is guaranteed.

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    • “..kind of Ajay Devgan movie wherein he played challanged father to a child”

      Oh God!! Please don’t remind me of that torture.. its the worst performance by a leading A-level actor(Hrithik in MPKDH comes close). Sean Penn in original(I am Sam) was nominated for Oscar and here Devgn hammed to the hilt and it is difficult to even watch the clips again.

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      • Agreed with Master here..Ajay Devgan was terrible in that movie.

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      • IdeaUnique Says:

        the problem with this film was only that – AD did not prepare it like Aamir would prepare for his films…….concept was good but commercial pressure and insincerity of lead actors to prepare for the roles screwed the project

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    • Some positive points from the review.

      Speaking of scenes worth noticing, do not miss the scenes wherein Salman Khan undergoes a selection process to join the army as well as the scene which has Shah Rukh Khan in a cameo.

      After having given smash hit films like KICK, BAJRANGI BHAIJAAN and SULTAN, expectations were sky high from Salman Khan’s TUBELIGHT. Salman Khan plays his part with utmost sincerity and dedication but it’s the script which fails him bitterly. Even though Salman Khan tries to be naïve and affable, the film’s poor writing gives him in. Ditto for the Chinese actress Zhu Zhu, who makes her debut with TUBELIGHT. While she is endearing to watch, the weak script fails to escalate the impact of her performance. The Indian audiences will find it tough to relate to her (half-baked) character in the film. The little boy Matin Rey Tangu is cute and endearing in his character, but doesn’t get to do much. Sohail Khan, on the other hand, is convincing in his extended cameo kind of role and plays his part with sincerity. The (late) Om Puri delivers a memorable performance, while Shah Rukh Khan’s cameo is effective. Rest of the actors help the film in move forward.

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    • I see Kabir Khan going downhill from here unless Aamir can resurrect his career like he did with Nitesh Tiwari

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  25. Going by the reviews, it seems Kabir Khan has again made an average film. He is a v average film-maker who has tasted big commercial success due to his association with Salman. I think his main problem is that he isnt a good writer. His films usually have a political backdrop, but he leaves it half-baked. The only good film he made has been BB, which again was penned by Rajamouli’s father.

    Anyways, TL may still have enough meat for Bhai fans. And due to Eid release I still think it will do 250 cr, even if the neutral audience shies away from this one.

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  26. IdeaUnique Says:

    if sallu can give 200+cr to a crap-fest called PRDP then tubelight will also be there 🙂

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  27. Ouch!!!

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    • EXCLUSIVE: Govinda’s look revealed in the Anurag Basu film Jagga Jasoos
      ByBollywood Hungama News Network
      Jun 23, 2017 – 8:00 am IST

      By now we all know that Ranbir Kapoor and Katrina Kaif will next be seen sharing screen space in the Anurag Basu film Jagga Jasoos. Though the film has been in the making for quite a while now, it is slated to hit screens on July 14. Away from the film’s lead cast we hear that veteran actor Govinda who recently attempted making a comeback as the lead actor with the Aa Gaya Hero will also be seen in the film.

      But, it isn’t so much that Govinda will be featuring in the film that caught our attention, instead it was the actor’s varied looks that did. We at Bollywood Hungama came across these images of Govinda’s different looks in Jagga Jasoos and just had to share it. Interestingly, while Govinda’s first look as a long haired, bearded suave yet clueless detective is rather funny, the second is sure to have you in splits, with the actor donning the garb of a tribal baba with braided hair! Though the exact details of Govina’s role in Jagga Jasoos isn’t known, judging by the images we guess he features rather prominently in the film.

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    • I feel this was leaked purposefully to boost the film’s prospects.
      This seems to be one of the highlights of the film.

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      • Intentional or not, SRK’s wish of getting his first 300 cr grosser seems to be bleak now.

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        • I will not underestimate. This film will cross 300 and JHMS can also do so.

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        • After BB2’s success, I am not going to underestimate any film.

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          • I am not underestimating any film. As I said, Bhai fans can still take Tubelight to 250 cr, which is a significant total. 300 cr looks difficult.

            As for JHMS, I believe it has the potential of 300 cr if the film is accepted at the same level as JWM. Its up to Imtiaz to deliver his best.

            BB2 is not that bad. When I watched it second time, I didnt like it as much. The Telegu style masala treatment made me cringe many a times. But then I always prefer Dangal/PK to D3. And looking forward to SS/Salute more than TOH.

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          • If you want to watch good telugu films without the over the top masala, you should watch black and white era telugu films. With the advent of color, the films’ quality also took a plunge. ANR, NTR, Savitri films of those days.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Don’t underestimate audience. After BB2, everyone is on watch. Taran Adarsh has put the nail in here. He NEVER gives big stars poor comments or reviews.

            ‘#OneWordReview… #Tubelight: Disappointing. Solid star power [Salman Khan]. Stunning visuals. But #Tubelight is body beautiful, minus soul.’

            This film will not do well IMO. PRDP got better reviews. Everything is flat from promo, songs, promotion, the cameo seems strictly to save face etc.

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          • @Sanjana – Thanks. I will try to check them out, but I dont understand the language v well, so its a bit difficult without subtitles.

            @Jay – Dont underestimate the power of Bhai fans at BO!

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          • Marcus, it is difficult to empathise without knowing the language and without sub titles.
            Telugu people are quite fond of bengali literature and so they made some movies based on those novels by Tagore, Sart Chandra. ANR’s Devdas is the most famous of them. You can fast forward those innumerable songs. Baatasari is another film based on a bengali novel acted by multi talented Bhanumati and ANR. Badi didi by Sarat Chandra Chatterjee. Charanadasi based on Nouka Doob by Tagore. These are some samples. Apart from it there is Mooga Manasulu, Milan in Hindi. As for fantasies Mayabazaar, Patala Bhairavi etc. And many more. Some of them were made into hindi like Bhabhi ki Choodiyan(Vadinagaari Gajulu).

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        • With JHMS neither being encouraging, he is stuck with only Chennai Express as 200cr+ movie. Let’s see if TL can make it one more for him

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        • “Intentional or not, SRK’s wish of getting his first 300 cr grosser seems to be bleak now.”

          You seem to get kick by posting such silly comments against SRK even when its not his movie or topic. Need to grow up a little!

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          • And you seem too sensitive about SRK to not able to digest a few silly jokes on him! Why so touchy? SRK’s career is not your’s. His failures are his only.

            Anyways, Don 3 is coming up, so things will get better for him. With Salman doing a third Tiger film with YRF, he isnt likely to do a Dhoom. So SRK should coerce YRF to make Dhoom4 with him and his sagging career may look up. #JustSaying

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          • Lol. Srk is probably the most critiqued A-list star online, so no one is sensitive. It is beyond silly and nothing being sensitive and its just ad nauseam especially done by 1 particular person all the time.

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          • The fact is you wudnt be saying this if I had commented on any other star. So gulp it down.

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          • You really don’t get it, do you? This is not a teen fan forum where each of them is jumping against other’s fav star. I don’t go on to each star’s movie thread to comment 10 negative comments whole day and night. Try to maintain this as a movie forum and comment your likes and dislikes accordingly for proper discussion. Even if I like SRK and more interested, it has nothing to do with being negative on other movie stars. You don’t see me going to Ajay/Akshay/Salman/Aamir movies to just go and comment negative comments whole day which Aamir fans are especially doing regularly on this blog. Looks like all of them shifted from some teen fan forum to SS.

            I’ve posted my first day movie reviews for 2 years regularly every Friday with every big and small film and I stopped doing this year and only posted for Baahubali 2. For me a fav star is a subset of a larger hobby of watching/loving movies. You guys are living with making star the superset over of movies and just criticizing rest of movies 24/7.

            Actually I’m not surprised. I used to meet such dumb fanatics during Sachin’s stardom. They are like.. we love Sachin and they don’t care about cricket or follow anything. We just want Sachin to make centuries and win awards and doesn’t matter what’s happening in cricketing world, who is playing who is winning, who is losing, nothing. Without loving cricket, if you love Sachin, I would call them dumb fanatics and the same case can be made here. You guys living only for Aamir khan and hardly watch any other movies besides commenting negatively 24/7.

            Anyways.. if you want to live such negative life, please proceed, am done saying. ‘Mujhe yakeen nahi hai’ that I can move a mountain! 🙂

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          • You sadly remind me of my old school headmaster. She just cudnt digest anything that was not to her liking and wud keep nagging abt every incident for ages to everyone!

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          • So talking negative is not restricted only to other stars but even school masters!! Oh gawd!! Utha lere baba, uthale!!

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          • LOL!!!
            You surely are a master of throwing unneccesary tantrums and hyper-ventilation. End of.

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          • You both should keep liking each other’s every post!

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  28. Latest Update On Dangal’s Worldwide Box Office Collections
    Dangal All Set To Achieve The 2000 Crore Mark In The Coming Weekend
    By
    Koimoi.com Team –
    June 23, 2017

    Aamir Khan’s biographical sports drama Dangal has maintained a steady pace at the Chinese box office. After achieving the 1200 crore milestone, the film has managed to add some more moolah in its kitty at the Box Office. It collected around 2.5 crores yesterday and currently stands with a grand total of 1210.50 crores.

    Apart from this, the film has also collected 41 crores at the Taiwanese box office.
    Dangal All Set To Achieve The 2000 Crore Mark In The Coming Weekend | Worldwide Box Office Report Ganesh • 1 min
    Dangal All Set To Achieve The 2000 Crore Mark In The Coming Weekend | Worldwide Box Office Report

    Dangal currently stands with a worldwide total of around 1995 crores and will cross the 2000 crore benchmark by this weekend.

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  29. BollywoodHyngama has mauled it:

    “On the whole, TUBELIGHT come across as a colossal disappointment as it fails to engross the audiences due to its wafer thin plot. At the Box-Office, the movie will take a jumpstart due to Salman Khan’s star power and accelerate over the weekend and the extended weekend [due to the Eid festivities], post which, the business will see a sizeable drop.”

    http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movie/tubelight/critic-review/

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  30. BO update: Salman Khan’s Tubelight registers 25-30% occupancy in morning shows
    By Bollywood Hungama News Network
    , Jun 23, 2017 – 11:08 am IST

    The much talked about, keenly anticipated and greatly hyped Salman Khan starrer TUBELIGHT finally hit screens today. Directed by Kabir Khan the film which also features Sohail Khan and Chinese actress Zhu Zhu that released across a total of 5550 screens worldwide (4350 domestic + 1200 overseas), is based on a story revolving around the 1962 Indo-China war. But will the film that features Salman Khan playing a role similar to what he earlier did in BAJRANGI BHAIJAAN manage to woo the audience and work at the box office is the question.

    Advance reports suggest that TUBELIGHT has opened to approximately 25-30% occupancy rate during morning shows. However, considering that it is a working day and the pre-Eid period this figure comes across as a rather decent opening. Simultaneously, TUBELIGHT that enjoys a solo release this weekend has the added advantage of decent advance booking rate that will ensure the film a good opening weekend.

    On the whole, though TUBELIGHT is expected to enjoy a bountiful opening weekend, the mixed to negative reviews for the film from critics are bound to affect footfalls in theatres. However, with the audience passing the final verdict, patronage for the film is expected to escalate over evening and night shows.

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  31. Aishwarya Rai Bachchan turns down Anurag Kashyap’s ‘Gulab Jamun’ opposite Abhishek Bachchan
    Sakshma Srivastav | Jun 23, 2017, 11.44 AM IST

    Abhishek Bachchan had recently confirmed that he and wife Aishwarya Rai Bachchan were in talks for Anurag Basu’s upcoming project ‘Gulab Jamun’. However, as per recent reports, the Bachchan bahu has put the script on hold as she did not like her role.

    The actress has further asked the makers to make certain changes to the script and come back to her with the alterations. She would then take a call on whether she wants to do the movie or not. If all goes well it sure would be a treat for all Abhi-Ash fans to see the iconic Jodi reunite on the silver screen after a long time, with their last outing together being the 2010 movie ‘Raavan’.

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  32. All Time Advance Booking Records – Tubelight Ninth
    Friday 23 June 2017 11.30 IST
    Box Office India Trade Network

    Tubelight had the ninth highest advance of all time in terms of the money collected at the box office before release. Earlier advance was calculated as the percentage number of tickets sold against the total availabe but this is reduntant as even the biggest films are unable to reach 20%.

    Overall its a good advance but not a great one. It is ninth place in terms of collections pre release but in terms of tickets sold it is lower than Raees at number ten and lower than other films like PK, Chennai Express and Ek Tha Tiger. This is beacuse it has a higher ATP (Average Ticket Price) as tickets rates are the highest of all time at major multiplex chains and that is where the best advance is.

    Below are the top ten advances of all time. This is the apprx collections pre release (end of business Thursday).

    1. Bahubali – The Conclusion – 31,50,00,00

    2. Sultan – 21,00,00,000

    3. Dangal – 17,50,50,000

    4. Prem Ratan Dhan Payo – 16,00,00,000

    5. Dhoom 3 – 14,75,00,000

    6. Happy New Year – 13,75,00,000

    7. Kick – 13,25,00,000

    8. Bajrangi Bhajaan – 13,00,00,000

    9. Tubelight – 12,50,00,000

    10. Raees – 12,00,00,000

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  33. Raazi: That’s Alia Bhatt’s Upcoming Film’s Title – Details Inside!
    Raazi revolves around a Kashmiri girl married to an army officer across the border, who provides the Indian Intelligence with invaluable information!
    By
    Koimoi.com Team –
    June 23, 2017

    Four months after her last release, Badrinath Ki Dulhania, Alia Bhatt will return to action with Meghna Gulzar’s next directorial after Talvar. The film has been titled Raazi, produced by Junglee Pictures and Dharma Productions, which will be based on Harinder Sikka’s novel, Calling Sehmat. The espionage thriller revolves around a Kashmiri girl, played by Alia, married to an army officer across the border, Vicky Kaushal, who provides the Indian Intelligence with invaluable information during the 1971 Indo-Pak war and saves the lives of scores of our soldiers. The film will be shot in Punjab and Kashmir in a start-to-finish schedule from July, followed by a small portion in Mumbai.

    The espionage thriller revolves around a Kashmiri girl, played by Alia, married to an army officer across the border, Vicky Kaushal, who provides the Indian Intelligence with invaluable information during the 1971 Indo-Pak war and saves the lives of scores of our soldiers. The film will be shot in Punjab and Kashmir in a start-to-finish schedule from July, followed by a small portion in Mumbai.
    Alia Bhatt Kicks Off Meghna Gulzar’s Upcoming Espionage Thriller RAAZI In July
    Alia Bhatt Kicks Off Meghna Gulzar’s Upcoming Espionage Thriller RAAZI In July

    “I am trying to do something in a new space, recreating India and Pakistan of the 1970s on sets and real locations. A lot of research has gone into getting the period and dialect right. There are some action pieces too. It’s work in progress with workshops and reading sessions,” informs Meghna.

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  34. A complete shocker.It wld do 22-23cr today.25cr. max.Apart from BO,Salman fans were expecting a masterpiece but reviews r average to below average.

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  35. IdeaUnique Says:

    Sallu needs a shocker and i hope the tubelights bring him on the reality grounds…….SRK is already in drain, ab sallu bi jayega…..baki bache akki and aamir…..akki will go to BJP (pun not intended 😉 ) and so Aamir will rule happily ever after 🙂

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  38. Well, Marcus came first!

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  39. jayshah Says:

    I say with good faith and without ground knowledge, Tubelight today will probably struggle for much more than 20 CR. This is purely on reviews and no insider knowledge. Holiday season or not, a dud is a dud.

    Social media polarizes film to the extent that it spreads like a wildfire. If this goes above Jai Ho (based on what it feels like is total negative feedback) it’s done well. But it seems a disaster.

    Salman and Kabir have it seems taken the audience for a ride here, overestimating what Bajrangi Bhaijaan achieved. Off the backdrop of BB2 and Dangal big films were always going to be judged differently. Salman is unlucky his was the first to arrive. It could have been any major star, with not a critic proof film.

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    • If it was TZH, the result would have been different. Audience want something spectacular and action oriented from a big star.

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      • jayshah Says:

        Yes agree. But that type of film is kind of critic proof. It’s like Fast Furious – there will always be an audience for it. Tubelight is different, it seems in a bad way.

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        • Looks like Bhai fans are not liking to their demi-god in this role. Kabir seems to have pushed the simpleton act of BB too far this time (going by the promos).

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    • I can’t help feeling a sense of schadenfreude about this one, since it comes after sultan, a film we all know was an unethical move from a supposed friend. Its possible failure is however excellent news for srk who was rapidly going out of contention. let’s hope no one finds out he has done a cameo in tubelight.

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      • jayshah Says:

        Factually only SRK has breached an Aamir record from Hindi cinema. That’s reality. Not Salman. So logically only he’s shown that possibility albeit 5 years of inflation included. I’ve never felt a Salman film can do this. BB was close but that was his best bet by far, he’s not had a film like that for many years.

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      • Maybe that’s the reason to have SRK. To share the blame equally in case of failure.

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  40. Tubelight Opens Well – Good In North
    Friday 23 June 2017 12.30 IST
    Box Office India Trade Network

    Tubelight has opened well at around 35-40% on average across India in the morning shows. The opening was better in the North as in Delhi and Punjab the collections are not really affected by pre Eid while the morning figures were good to decent elsewhere.

    The opening in terms of occupancy is the third best of the year after Bahubali – The conclusion and Raees. The occupancy is lower than Raees due to the release as this is the widest release ever with 4400 screens while Raees had a clash with Kaabil which meant less screens which enabled a higher occupancy.

    The opening has been affected by Pre Eid but the film also shows Salman Khan as not the hero type which also is a factor in that the opening in smaller towns is lower than other Salman Khan pre Eid releases like Kick and Bajrangi Bhaijaan. Then there is the affect of Bahubali – The Conclusion as this film is the first big release since that juggernaut which showed the masses that this sort of cinema can still happen and Tubelight is not that type mass cinema. In the context of what happens every Friday the film has opened well as very few films open at this level but if we look at it as a Salman Khan starrer and the expectations then it is underwhelming

    The main multiplexes in North have opened with occupancy of 50% and even other big plexes in other parts of the country are decent. Its rare but its the first time in years that a Salman Khan film has not opened quite like it should in mass centres and this is allowing for the pre Eid factor. Its going to be and up and down day due to pre Eid as collections outside North will fall in the afternoon and then pick up again in the evening

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    • jayshah Says:

      With this I think reviews or critics should I say have really gone for this film. Salman said this recently.

      “I genuinely, honestly don’t care. I believe that they’ve no right to take anybody’s hard work down. The fans will decide that, in any case. The box-office will prove it one way or the other. What have you done to earn the right to rip a film apart? On Day 1 of the release, you write some rubbish crap. It destroys films and a lot of hard work that went behind making it. With me, of course, it doesn’t make any difference. And I think they know it all too well. My films are critic-proof. I am telling them now: go give my film minus 100 stars, why just zero. My fans will anyway watch my film and that’s my reward,”

      I think some critics have taken this personally and are really gunning for Tubelight.

      Anyway for Salman, box office matters, let’s see where he lands.

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      • He’s starting to sound exactly like sajid khan, and we know where that ended. B2b and dangal have undermined his bo clout in a way he never dreamt of.

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        • Ndtb, which also normally avoids harsh reviews, has given the film one star and ripped apart salman’s performance.
          If the film underperforms, it won’t do salman much harm. But if it turns out to be an outright flop, it is going to be talked about a lot. Also, remember the film is going to get a mammoth opening in China. Hard for it to miss being compared to dangal.

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      • Livewire Says:

        @Anyway for Salman, box office matters, let’s see where he lands.”

        It’s going to be a hard landing for sure ! At the end of the day hard cash is needed to get to the ticket counter…….people have short memory if its time not well spent and have options.

        Bollywood has some serious trouble making the mentally slow work. Very few have gotten the simpleton act right. Either they ham or shake head and just overdo the simpleton act. Even an aamir with all his homework fell for that in D3 to an extent. For most of them Rain Man becomes the template with all shaking and nodding.

        What may be worse here is sight of Sohail and doubling down of two grown up heavily built men acting dimwitted when we are living in this slim & trim world. Sohail facial features are anything but charismatic and it’s amazing what nature can do to a face with just a slight deviation on the nose otherwise there isn’t much difference if one were to compare to Salman’s face structure.

        More importantly the movie will damage credibility of Salman hereon in a very similar way what Don did to SRK. Suddenly srk shortcomings as an actor were just too obvious for audience to reorient themselves. Salman would have to somewhat look for a CDI type deal to get his credibility back.

        We live in times where audience is willing to accept and actors/ directors have limitless potential of imagination. ….imaginative movies that follow show the possibilities of the mind ….but there are no shortcuts. I watched Wonder Woman last week and was blown away by the make believe world and started to live that movie for sometime……… There were a couple of scenes where I questioned the angle or motivation they had taken but none of it distracted from the storytelling as a whole. In the darkness of the theatre I started to believe in the story and the origins of Diana and I’m not talking about whether she is clay or human or whatever in between….started to believe in the Amazons.…. I did question the placement of Wonder Woman in World War I. It seemed like a convenient business choice….but the history books / nerd in me suddenly woke up and I started to recall how horrific that time was…it is ‘that’ perspective that brings Diana into our world.

        Coming back to Tubelight, sometimes absolute failure work in better ways if one is willing to adapt…..”in order to rise from its own ashes a phoenix first must burn” …. is a positive way of taking this disappointment !!

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        • Agree on all counts

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        • one can see as how deluded a fan can be…something somewhere comes to a hault…we can always look forward for TZH..if that gives any comfort…lol

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        • “More importantly the movie will damage credibility of Salman hereon in a very similar way what Don did to SRK. Suddenly srk shortcomings as an actor were just too obvious for audience to reorient themselves. Salman would have to somewhat look for a CDI type deal to get his credibility back.”

          Really? Credibility of Salman, whats that? In his current streak he has delivered a bunch of nonsense masala films, except one BB (where thankfully the simpleton act was not pushed too far).

          Even your Don reference does not work. Some of SRK’s early work in 90s had proved that he can act a bit. But Don did not expose any extra shortcomings on the acting front (everyone was used to his overacting bit). The King of Romance just fell short of Big B when it came to ‘stature’. Fell well short of the overall personality that is needed to pull off an action masala with elan, as compared to the original Don. It was his vanity that he took on Don remake, and it was exposed.

          But again, can you explain the bit on Salman’s credibility? He never tries to act. When he does its a seeming disaster (no plans to see this myself).

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        • Very good analysis Dhoni..
          I am sure Tiger Zinda Hai and Dabang 3 will do wonders.
          Kabir Khan did need this setback , saala bahut hisiyaari jhaad raha thaa …

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          • Dabanng 2 didn’t do any wonders. ETT fizzled out after a huge initial. These aren’t the films I’d hang my hat on! Will they get big initials? Sure!

            Any star can take one failure, specially with the kind of success Salman has had. However Tubelight means a lot more than Jai Ho for all the obvious reasons.

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          • TZH is safe. YRF will pump it up big and one would at least expect better music than Tubelight. Obviously it won’t do the 375 CR in 15 days, but it’s the standard Salman template. Some kind of entrance scene, a couple of catchy forgettable songs, lust for a leading lady, beat up a few bad guys, some drama and comedy. The usual Bhai act with the usual dumb Katrina act. It’s everything Salman fans will want. Opening historic, a couple of good reviews for fist pumping chances for records then the usual slide with 50 odd excuses that were known before but only thought about with hindsight. Then the wait for his next Eid release for it all to start again.

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          • ETT IMO enhanced the prestige and stature of Brand Sallu. The Baba log stared noticing him.
            Dabang 3 will be better than 2, as Arbaz will not be directing it.
            With this TL fiasco, I seriously think kee Desh badal raha hai !! LOL
            Aside- Raja Sen is really brutal on the movie !!

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          • An opening day number less than raees which released in halfthe screens is a serious setback

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        • Saw Wonder Woman…I loved the comic undercurrent throughout the movie…It is well made movie..thought could have been trimmed around the village setup.

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  41. This is a Blip on Salman’s career Path. He was treading on Aamir’s territory of an emotionally driven film and with his success in BB and then seeing Dangal doing well thanks to the emotional connect, they took that as a platform to manufacture emotions from TL. Only problem is the movie completely out of box and comfort zone for Salman and calling spade a spade, Salman cannot handle these kind of roles. With TZH he goes back to basics and his strength. Look for that movie to be a big grosser. Also Kabir K as a director and writer is exposed, BB had a writer from BBali.

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  43. This tweet is just too 😆😆

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  44. This is cruel and Bumrah is hurt!!

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    • I understand Bumrah point and he is right…but to me it looks funny!

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      • It is very funny but didn’t expect Govt to do that ad for their Indian players.

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      • Munna, Bumrah is miscontruing the intent of Jaipur police by taking it literally as this hoarding is just to remind public of how costly or hazardous “crossing the line” could turn out to be as Bumrah’s no ball proved to be very costly to India!! With Bumrah, being a public figure, Jaipur Police makes this message loud & clear to the public through this hoarding without any mocking which Bumrah seems to be missing completely & getting himself emotionally hurt in the process unnecessarily. Celebrities need to be thick-skinned as laurels & criticism are two sides of the same coin & either can come their way depending on their performances. Salman would certainly empathise with you after the release of Tubelight 😉

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  45. Just got back from TL. Even after 3 hrs of trying hard with senti music, buckets of tears from the entire caste, and Sallu’s swollen contorted face desperately pulling on a Gumpian meme, the Tubelight just did not turn on. Sallu was so bad at trying to emote, wonder how the supporting caste kept a straight face while shooting.
    The movie just does not connect, and the audience is left empty after having waited for 3hrs for some sort of moment of awakening. I went with a couple of die-hard Sallu fans who were utterly disappointed. Big mis-step in his pursuit of PK and Dangal records.
    Chaubey ji chale chabbe ji bann ne, lekin dubey ji ban ke laute.

    Having said that, IMHO, this movie just might have a slight chance in China. There was nothing antagonistic about China, the war is presented as an external event which is sort of unwanted by both sets of protagonists in the movie. Zhu and Martin just might be able to tug at the heartstrings of the Chinese audiences, as long as those audiences can ignore the disastrous performance of Sallu Gump.

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    • Tubelight will not release in China. Kabir Khan said long back that China will reject movies with anything political, doesn’t matter if its positive or negative they don’t allow any political movies and I don’t think they would want their folks to remind about 1962 war with India. On other hand, folks here were thinking he made this movie to bank of Dangal’s performance and earn money in China, Lol.

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  46. Salman Khan On Tubelight Reviews: Ratings Are Better Than I Expected

    Salman Khan’s Tubelight is released this Friday did not go well with the critics but he is pleased as they did not give minus rating to film.

    “The critics were really good. I was expecting minus 3 and minus 4 but they gave 1, 1.5 apparently, so I am very pleased,” said Salman at an event where his Being Human joined hands with PVR for an initiative under which every time when a customer book tickets for a movie at PVR, they will get the option to pay Rs 2 extra and this amount will be given to the Being Human foundation for different causes.

    About the feedback about his film, Salman said: “As per reports people are saying they can not see ‘Bhai’ (Salman) crying. So I asked, are they (audience) laughing and the answer was “no, they are crying”. So I said don’t worry about it.”

    “As it is an Eid release, people have preconceived notions and plans to throw coins, sing and dance at the cinema hall. So they have gone to watch a certain film but get to watch another film. This film is not of a kind which you watch with your buddies as you will not get an opportunity to dance or have fun. It is a very emotional film. Even an emotionless, stone hearted person will get tears in his eyes. So this is an emotional film to be seen with parents, grand parents and entire family.”

    Asked about mixed reviews the film is getting, the “Dabangg” Khan said: “I got so many text messages, saying that they got emotional watching the brothers dancing on the song. So we are preparing audience for a beautiful, simple, emotional film about brothers. As far as reviews are concerned, every film has mixed reviews.”

    Asked about any sense of failure and bother due to the mixed reviews, he laughed and said: “Look at me, are there any sign of worries on this face. I am not bothered, I know the film will do well and will be a hit and get lot of respect.”

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    • BOI relatively quiet on Tubelight day one collection. Usually, they update by 12:30 am next morning. But since their poster boy Salman’s movie is not setting the BO on fire, they are working on excuses.

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  47. Tubelight First Day Business 20.5 to 21 crores
    Saturday 24 June 2017 10.30 IST
    Box Office India Trade Network

    Tubelight grossed 20.50-21 crore nett on day which would be a very good number for most films but this one has higher expectations being an Eid Salman Khan starrer. The collections are similar to Raees released earlier this year but that film clashed with Kaabil and although Kaabil hardly collected it took screens away from Raaes which meant the 20.50 crore nett of Raees came on a much lower capacity than the 20.5 crore nett of Tubelight. The film needed to be at least 25 crore nett as a Kick had done 24.97 crore nett and Bajrangi Bhaijaan 26.67 crore nett and both these films were also pre Eid releases. Being a social it would have compared with those films as they were more in the action and masala space.

    The film is the opposite to Raees as far as circuit business is concerned as Tubelight is best in East Punjab and Delhi city and Raees was worst here while Raees was strong in Gujarat and West Bengal but Tubelight is worst here. The film has done very well in Assam probably due to the local appeal but that is such a small circuit that it hardly registers as per the all India picture. East Punjab has grossed 2.78 crore nett which has no pre Eid factor as limited muslim audience and on this fair value for the film would be 25 crore nett so its lost 4 crore nett because of Muslims not coming out.

    The opening is below expectations but there is the Muslim audience still to come post Monday and for the film to post a decent final number this audience has to turn up post Monday. It will also be crucial to have growth on Saturday as if the film is unable to grow then the writing will be on the wall.

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    • jayshah Says:

      Numbers are between 18.5 – 21 CR across many sources. Whatever it is these are poor numbers. I doubt this gets anywhere near 175 CR. I’ll be surprised to see it get past 100 CR convincingly. WOM has chipped away from Day 1, every day now it’s freefall IMO barring the holidays but even here it won’t show hold.

      Bet theatres want Bahubali 2 back now. If Raees clashed here, it would have been a bloodbath!

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      • 100 crores? It’ll do around 20 crores for first 5 days and will be that figure already. The worst will be 90 crores in 5 days. 100 crores is given either ways. The worst possible collection will be 130-135, I think.

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        • 100 in 5 days is not convincing. Within 3 days is and has been done by other biggies

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        • jayshah Says:

          I said convincingly. Let’s see. WOM is out already. 110-135 CR whatever it is it’s not good. The extra 25 CR is inconsequential to argue about. Today’s hold will dictate a lot.

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      • Tubelight Day 1 is in the same range as Raees. Raees ended at 130 cr. Raees had better WOM but TL has Eid advantage.

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        • If no Eid, TL would do FAN which did 19.5 crores one 1st day and ended 85 crores.

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        • Raees would have done more if they had taken bollywood actress.

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        • jayshah Says:

          I’m not even thinking Eid. That’s Monday, Tuesday. Verdict be long gone by then. I can see Friday being it’s biggest day *potentially. There is simply no interest, can see many people just skipping it. 115, 125 or 135 CR makes no meaningful difference to the narrative not like 195 vs. 205 for example.

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          • The movie will jump next week…but it will be restricted jump…i can see it reaching 150 crs…not sure of more

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        • Also Raees had competition from Kaabil. Tubelight would have done around 150-160crrs on Raees date. But with Eid and solo release should do around 200crrs. Even Payo Payo did close to 200crrs during Diwali.

          Christmas would have been interesting if Dutt had clashed. But moved away.

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  48. P.K Talli Says:

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    #Tubelight gross ₹33.9cr on Friday globally, earning ₹12.5cr Share.
    Domestic : ₹25.2cr (₹18.4cr Nett)
    Overseas : ₹8.7cr or $1.32mn

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  49. https://www.bollyarena.net/sultan-to-release-in-china-later-this-year/

    And people on this blog wont object of chinese numbers and so will be Boi.

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    • Chinese BO and SRK jokes are taboo in this blog. We better learn to live with it.

      Anyways, Dangal has v limited shows in China now after Transformers release. And its collections were negligible on 50th day. Its ending its run at around 187 M$, which is around 1990 cr WW. Missing the 2000 cr mark by a whisker, and will have to wait for its release in HK in September to get there. Enough of Dangal in China!

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  50. IdeaUnique Says:

    Anupama gives 2.5/5 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6PSD0PRYbw

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  51. IdeaUnique Says:

    Public review is bad – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNqXkDDopg

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  52. IdeaUnique Says:

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      ha ha – Sallu is so over-the-top-confident here that he is 100% sure that everyone and their cats-and-dogs will cry while watching the film (well everyone is crying that is true – for diff. reasons ;-))))

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    • Unless salman bought into the narrative that I is bo god, I think he can handle a failure. But this is a double whammy. Puts a question mark on his script sense as well. Also now he will return to inane comedies. His pairing with kabir khan was a big trump card, now that no more holds true.

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  53. Satyam/munna, can you replace the Salman pic in the thread title with the below apt pic?

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  54. Today Dangal in it’s 51st day is collecting more than 3 HW biggies,ie. POTC,WW and mummies which released 3,4 and 5 weeks later respectively.

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  55. Sallu’s home site accepts the debacle.

    Tubelight Day 2 Box Office Collection Update

    Tubelight isn’t sustaining as well as the trade expected it to on Day 2 at the domestic box office, as the business of the film – until 3PM today – was down by around 5-10% from Friday. If business shows growth evening onwards at multiplexes, the Day 2 total of the film could get to around the same range as Friday. Else, it could end up with a total of less than 20 crore, which would not only suggest a negative trend, but would seal the fate of the film on the second day itself.

    When compared to other ‘Pre Eid’ releases featuring Salman Khan, Bajrangi Bhaijaan had similar release circumstances as Tubelight, the jump in business from Friday to Saturday was more than 34% (Day 1 – 27.25 cr, Day 2 – 36.60 cr).

    The film was carrying extraordinary word-of-mouth and inspite of strong competition from ‘Bahubali: The Beginning’, the Day 2 business of Bajrangi Bhaijaan showed nearly 40% growth at multiplexes – even though it was Pre-Eid.

    The other film, 2014’s Kick, showed only 2% growth – but that film got a huge initial. Kick had collected 26.5 crore on its opening day, much more than the 21 crore Day 1 collections of Tubelight.

    The trend on Saturday has made the 200 crore mark out of reach for ‘Tubelight’. The distributors of the film will suffer losses, as the film was purchased for a high price with the hope that it would recreate the magic of ‘Bajrangi Bhaijaan’ and Salman’s presence would ensure a strong initial. So far, ‘Tubelight’ has disappointed on both counts, needing nothing less than a miracle Post-Eid to recover costs.

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  56. https://www.bollyarena.net/tubelight-overseas-box-office-collection/

    Tubelight has a poor show in Overseas
    06/24/20172

    Tubelight Overseas Box Office Collection: Salman Khan starrer has disappointed in overseas too. The numbers are much less that recent releases like Dangal and Raees.

    Tubelight is struggling in the USA as the film even debuted lower than Telugu film DJ. Allu Arjun starrer has comfortably beaten it even with half number of screens. In New Zealand, it has recorded second highest opening day of 2017 behind Badrinath Ki Dulhania.

    USA: $217037
    Canada: $50417
    UK: $65559
    Australia: $91016
    New Zealand: $42337
    Here is the comparison of Raees and Tubelight. Do remember that Raees was a mid-week release and had less screens as compared to Tubelight.

    Country

    Raees

    Tubelight

    Australia

    $137467

    $91016

    New Zealand

    $16069

    $42377

    UK

    $155903

    $65559

    USA

    $274603

    $217037

    Canada

    $73372

    $50417

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    • Last when I went for Wonder woman, there were hardly 15 people in line for Tubelight..during Bajrangi that line was all across the cinema hall.

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  59. Indian women team defeat England in its 1st league match of World Cup.

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    • P Gopichand had made India Badminton power house…He should be given Padam Vibhusan if not Bharat Ratan.

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      • Vishwanathan Anand should’ve got Bharat Ratna ahead of Tendulkar; but by procastinating it further, it would add little to the value of Bharat Ratna & mean little to Anand as he has made chess a houshold name in India single-handedly & continuing his astounding run till date as he is still at no. 8 in FIDE ratings after becoming India’s first grandmaster at the age of 17 years in 1988 & 5 times world chess champion!! I think he, along with Dhyan chand, is India’s greatest sportsman ever.

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  60. One of the critical duties of cricket administrators is to ensure the laws of the game maintain a reasonable balance between bat and ball, like a pair of scales see-sawing in the process of finding an even balance; a constant jiggling so neither the bat nor the ball is favoured too much.

    On the early evidence of the 2017 Champions Trophy, there’s currently a bar of gold on the scale representing the bat and a feather on the other side, denoting the plight of the bowler.
    Three hundred runs for a 50-over innings is now the norm, and quite often it isn’t enough to gain victory. And all this in an England summer blighted by rain squalls that you would normally expect to juice up the pitches.

    The former world record-holding wicket-taker Fred Trueman used to bemoan the fact that the “last bluddy bowler to be knighted was Sir Francis Drake”. The way things are heading, the modern bowler will only kneel before royalty to plead for mercy.

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1102486.html

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  61. Jab Harry Met Sejal’s ‘Intercourse’ Promo Controversy: Pahlaj Nihalani’s Challenge!
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    Koimoi.com Team –
    June 24, 2017

    Central Board of Film Certification chief Pahlaj Nihalani on Friday said he would clear the use of the word intercourse in the promo and body of Imtiaz Ali’s Shah Rukh starrer Jab Harry Met Sejal if he gets one lakh votes from the common people in its support.

    In an interview to a TV channel, he said: “You take voting from the public and I will clear the word (intercourse) on the promo and the film also. I want 1 lakh votes and I want to see that India has changed and Indian families want their 12-year-old kids to understand the meaning of this word (intercourse).”

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  62. Ab EID 2018 ka kya hoga?

    Apparently there is no big ticket movie scheduled for Eid 2018. After TL response Salman backed out of Remo D’souza’s next film about dance and signed Ali Abbas Zafar’s next BHARAT. But they start shooting only next year after TZP’s release and it can’t be ready in few months for Eid 2018.

    So, there is NO Salman, NO Aamir, NO SRK movie scheduled for 2018. Looks like it is a tie between Ajay Devgn/Akshay Kumar to grab the spot. Or else Varun Dhawan and the likes. For Hrithik, I just hope he ‘signs’ a movie by Eid 2018, Lol.

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    • There are rumoures about Srk/ Adi Chopra warrior film may come on Eid 2018. The shooting is expected to start after dwarf shooting is completed. These are insider reports and that too from authentic source. This deal with Salman was fixed when Srk backed out from Eid 2016 and it was decided that Salman won’t come on Eid 2018.

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      • There’s no warrior film at all and Srk-Aditya Chopra film will take time after Befikre debacle.

        Salman let Prabhu deva first revive Sooraj Pancholi’s career and D3 may happen in 2019 but not next year.

        Moreso, just throwing out movie names will not release. You guys missing basic point that it’ll take min 1 year for movie from floors to release and if nothing is announced now, nothing will release next year. Especially when Srk, Aamir and Salman are busy with their current movies till early 2018. Eid 2018 is vacant and up for grabs.

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    • Well, Salman can steal Aamir’s movie-idea on Rakesh Sharma and transform into a totally different movie with a chart-buster song, ‘SPACE GHUMEYA’ showcasing his fight against gravity and inner angst against the enormity of space and release it on Eid before Aamir’s Sharma movie even hits the floors…

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  63. IdeaUnique Says:

    KRK‏Verified account @kamaalrkhan 13h13 hours ago
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    Salman-Sohail films together always doomed. Veer(10) MainAurMrsKhanna(09) Heroes, Hello n GodTussiGreatHo(08) Salam-E-Ishq(07) Auzaar(97)!

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  64. Hello brothers ko bhool gaye.LOL.
    Zabardast trolling ho rahi hai twitter par Sallu aur TL.
    SRK and Aamir fans were expected and they r in full form.But even Ranbir fans r also there.

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    • This is completely pointless. Fan-clubs need to understand that their stars can move forward only by their good work and their own films working well. Pulling down someone whose chips are down does not help. But then we have some people who would throw tantrums and call many a ‘dumb fanatic’, if one says anything negative on JHMS promos/song, but cant suppress his glee when TL fails. Being a sports fan, one should be able to take it too, and not only be able to dish it out.

      Anyways, as per Salman goes, TL is not that big a hiccup. Of course he should understand that BB was a fluke and not his strength. His forte is mindless masala and his next set of films will cater to that. TZH will work well, and he has just announced D3 with Prabhudeva to start shooting in December and has locked Eid 2018 for release. Then there is Kick 2, etc lined up. He will be Ok.

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      • Pulling down is the story of most superstar fans. Salman fans have been mocking ranbir, srk, hritik and almost everyone thinking Salman is invincible. Same happened with SRK few years back. Both are cases of arrogance. It’s good these superstars get sometime reality check from time to time.

        Still I think Tubelight will do around 180crrs. But in perception it will be looked upon as failure.

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  65. jayshah Says:

    Looks like Tubelight is holding up better than I expected. It’s shown 0.1% growth according to producers. It will go convincingly past 100 CR and not trott past it. So that total in excess of 135 CR is possible.

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  66. Tubelight Day 2 Collections and Lifetime Prediction
    3 hours ago61 Commentsby Indicine Team1 min read

    Tubelight was decent on its second day at the box office, but the film failed to show the 5-10% growth that it needed to suggest a positive trend. The movie has collected 42 crore in 2 days at the domestic box office, which is far less than what was expected out of a Salman Khan Eid release.

    The next 2-3 days will be crucial for Tubelight, if it has to end with a decent total, although the distributors recovering their investment and the film attaining ‘hit’ status doesn’t look like a possibility given the level of collections the first two days.

    Neither the reports nor the film is as bad as the reviews that the film got, but outright negative reviews and general negativity in the media, seems to have done irrecoverable damage to the box office prospects of Tubelight.

    IndicineLBO: We are going with Rs 146 crore as the final lifetime collections of Tubelight. If the collections do indeed finish at this level, Tubelight would be a box office flop and the lowest Eid grosser since 2011’s Bodyguard.

    Movie Date LBO Actual
    Tubelight Eid 146 crore –
    Mom July 7 20 crore –
    Jagga Jasoos July 14 65 crore –
    Munna Michael July 21 70 crore –
    Mubarakan July 28 48 crore –
    SRK-Imtiaz Film Aug 4 130 crore –
    Toilet Ek Prem Katha Aug 11 125 crore –
    Bareilly Ki Barfi Aug 18 20 crore –
    Haseena Aug 18 20 crore –
    A Gentleman Aug 25 50 crore –
    Baadshaho Sep 1 70 crore –
    Simran Sep 15 15 crore –
    Bhoomi Sep 22 25 crore –
    Judwaa 2 Sep 29 125 crore –
    Secret Superstar Diwali 60 crore –
    Golmaal Again Diwali 190 crore –
    Padmavati Nov 17 170 crore –
    Tiger Zinda Hai Christmas 300 crore –
    Ok Jaanu Jan 13 26 crore 20 crore
    Jolly LLB 2 Feb 10 112 crore 116 crore
    Rangoon Feb 24 23 crore 20 crore
    Commando 2 Mar 03 25 crore 23 crore
    Badrinath Ki Dulhania Mar 10 115 crore 118 crore
    Phillauri Mar 24 28 crore 27 crore
    Naam Shabana Mar 31 30 crore 35 crore
    Begum Jaan Apr 14 22 crore 18 crore
    Noor Apr 21 10 crore 8 crore
    Sarkar 3 May 12 16 crore 12 crore
    Meri Pyaari Bindu May 12 18 crore 13 crore
    Half Girlfriend May 19 60 crore 58 crore
    Raabta June 9 20 crore 21

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    • Interesting Lifetime predictions by Indicine. However, dont agree with them on any counts.

      Jagga Jasoos trailers have been better than expected and this can easily do 100+ cr. JHMS and Toilet both look like 150 cr deals at this point going by trailers (JHMS being poor to ok; and Toilet trailer being average). Baadshaho can do 100 cr. Secret Superstar is the dark horse here and can do 3-4 times the prediction of 60 cr if it clicks (due to its universal appeal). Golmaal Again and Padmavati can both do 200 cr.

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  67. SHOCKING.This is heading for a Flop verdict.Definitely below 150cr nett.No one cld have predicted this like BB2.

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    • I thought it might end up in Jai Ho territory, maybe somewhat higher. Not convinced this will get to 140-150. It will probably completely plummet after this initial period and will find it hard to add much.

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  68. Arena is on a rampage.Shows cancelled at various places.Also in US.It looks like not even doing 10M$ in Overseas.

    Tubelight continues to struggle on Sunday
    06/25/20172

    Tubelight is struggling at the box office even on Sunday. Despite being a holiday, the occupancy is very much average in most of the places.

    The trend is still varying across most of the circuits. Some places have gone up while others are down. There are reports that dozens of shows were cancelled in Mumbai/Gujarat belt. Another show in Delhi was cancelled but that can be due to technicals reasons too. In West Bengal, Tubelight was replaced by Bengali films at some screens on Saturday itself.

    On the positive side, Tubelight is doing its best business in Delhi/NCR and Punjab with noon shows recording 60-65% occupancy in multiplexes. Also, it is picking up in Mumbai and South India which were average in first two days. Overall it is faring better than previous two days.

    It is a foregone conclusion that Sunday will be the highest earning day for Tubelight. Looking at the trends, the actual collection on Sunday can be 2-3 crore higher that yesterday unless there is a miraculous turnaround in the evening/night.

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    • jayshah Says:

      These reports maybe dubious as it’s rainy season in parts of India. But I’m fairly sure this film is in freefall at some point.

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  69. This is a Royal misfire from Salman and Kabir Khan. Monday bookings are pathetic at several places. Tuesday onwards it will earn in single digit.

    Its not run of a mill subject. The risk involve is high. If you don’t get it right you will have to pay a heavy price.It is an outright rejection and shows limitation of Salman in an unconventional role. He is more of an impromptu actor who doesn’t believe in the idea of preparation. Role demanded much more than that.

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    • jayshah Says:

      Salman is bonified David Beckham. Got a great right foot but stick him in a huge moment he’s pretty useless. But cinema will always have a place for this ilk. Tubelight being a flop borderline disaster won’t really impact TZH. Salman’s fortunate Hirani’s film has shifted as that clash could now be much more interesting. I’m sure TZH will open huge and continue the trend of his quite ‘average’ films being made out to be blockbusters by everyone.

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  70. Q. Indicine plz answer this I have read that Tubelight needs 135 cr to be a hit and in your prediction article you stated that even if it does 175 cr it’ll be below average / flop how could this be? Budget is 100 crs including marketing cost so why the breakeven is too high I know that distributors might make losses but even Dilwale made loss and you gave it average Raees did 120 and its above average how?

    A. Tubelight was sold for 132 crore, domestic. It needed to collect upwards of 250 crore. It’ll fall well short. It’s a theatrical failure, both in terms of perception and heavy losses that the distributors will incur. Tubelight has shocked the trade, many sub-distributors will probably lose their life-savings over this. The producers have made a lot of money, but it would be nice of them to refund and make up for some losses – like Shah Rukh did after Dilwale debacle.

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  71. Q. How big flop is Tubelight ?

    A. Pretty major. The last hope is big growth on Eid, if that doesn’t come, the distributors will lose around 50 crore of their investment.

    Q. Among the recently released Semi hits Raees, Kaabil and Tubelight, which film you think distributors lost more money on (in numbers please)?

    A. Tubelight will be the biggest loss-making film if it wraps below 200.

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  72. Wishing everyone at SS a very happy Eid Mubarak !!

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  73. Watched Hindi Medium —Kya actor hai yeh Irfan Khan !!!
    When he says – “agar mera Chandni chowk bahar aa gaya toh kahir nahee tum logo kee ” had me in splits .
    The movie managed to capture the Punjabi shopkeepers, as well as the Vasant Vihar types very well !!!

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    • Yes that line was hilarious. And that line about feeling poverty from inside through your undies was ROFL…

      I found the film very flat actually. It gave me a feeling the director was showing random but very true facts. Amrita Singh’s character was stereotypical. It was a very well-intentioned movie but gave vibes of very simplistic movie-making. It needed more verve. It actually fell between 2 schools of movie-making: That of Hrishikesh Mukherjee’s [Hindi Medium – CHUPKE CHUPKE anyone?] and Dibakar Banerjee’s type, a la KHOSLA KA GHOSLA..

      Dobriyal’s character was truly, truly far-fetched. Maybe it’s my cynicism toward life at my age but that kind of saccharine goodness belongs to Barjatya and Co.

      Irfan was reliably very good. However, his presence backfired in the climactic monologue in the school auditorium. That called for a STAR-ACTOR: In other words, it screamed a younger Amitabh. He would have chomped the scene to its bones there..

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      • Agree on Dobriyal’s character..kuch zyda hee kar diya .
        On the climatic monologue , IMO the writing failed Irfan , there were no punch lines.
        I remember Bachchan called in Javed Akhtar for the Baghbaan monologue.
        Aside- The Pakistani actress was a disaster .( just like fawda, and raees girl )

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        • “I remember Bachchan called in Javed Akhtar for the Baghbaan monologue.”

          As you love trivia, let me tell you something. For the climax scene, the dialogues were done were badly, so Amitabh called up Javed Akhtar and made him update that dialogues beautifully impromptu but another fact is Salman also called up Salim Khan and made him update his monologue at the end of the movie. So, that is that last time the “Salim-Javed” together shared a scene in a movie! 🙂

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          • Hmm..did not know about the Salim Khan contribution @ Baghban.
            Aside- Javed’s solo -Dacait , and Salim’s solo- Falak were good movies, but had these two been writing jointly ,both the movies would have been blockbusters.

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  74. There has been slight growth on Sunday and its 23-24 cr range as per Bollyarena. Thats 65 cr over the weekend which is decent. Add another 35-40 cr over Monday & Tuesday due to Eid, and its comfortably over 100 cr by then.

    How much it collects after that remains to be seen. A free-fall from Wednesday would mean around 130 cr total. If it sustains a little bit then perhaps 150 cr range as many are predicting.

    https://www.bollyarena.net/tubelight-3rd-day-box-office-collection/

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    • jayshah Says:

      http://www.talkingmoviez.com/tubelight-overseas-first-weekend-collections-huge-disappointment/

      Utter disaster in overseas. There is no secrets here. Salman should just avoid these films and his family period. Kabir Khan is overrated, the film has been oversold for Bajrangi Bhaijaan performance alone, both greedy and unethical.

      Here’s a dumb thought, why can’t a tiered distribution cost be agreed upfront based on performance of film. It’s still competitive. Money flying into pockets for truly rich people, who are just cashing in on previous success.

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      • Monday (Eid) morning shows does not seem v encouraging:

        http://www.addatoday.com/2017/06/tubelight-monday-4th-day-collection.html

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        • Eid benefit will come only during night shows and next day. Morning/Noon shows is the exact prayer time and if waiting for muslims it will not help! Non-muslims had just a Sunday and they are in no rush to watch this on Monday morning. If WOM was better, it would have lot better than the current monday.

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          • Yes, the day will improve and fetch another 20 cr IMO. Maybe another 15 cr tomorrow. At this stage, the weekend collection is in the same range as Raees (though WW is less). So the race is on to beat Raees’ 130 cr (small victory for the fans!). WW it will fall short of 275 cr gross that Raees made.

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  75. ‘Dangal’ Still Wrestling In 8th China Weekend, Scores Marvelous 6 Cr. / $900K

    But like a true champion, Dangal refused to stay down. On Saturday and Sunday It grabbed back over 1,200 screens from the fading Hollywood blockbuster Wonder Woman and the poorly opening Taiwanese romantic comedy David Loman 2, and kept fighting. On Saturday Dangal caught a 133% uptick in business from the prior day, and on Sunday it jumped another 17%, to finish the 3-day weekend with a $910,000 (6 crore rupees) gross. On a per-screen average basis it wound up performing just as well this past weekend as it did the weekend prior, albeit on a smaller number of screens.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/06/25/dangal-still-wrestling-in-9th-china-weekend-scores-marvelous-6-cr-900k/#79ee22724971

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  76. P.K Talli Says:

    Lol BOI calling 63 cr a good weekend http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=3029

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    • “The weekend figures are pretty good but not blockbuster figures which are the expectations for a Salman Khan on Eid. There was the pre Eid factor over the weekend where muslims stay away from theatres but even allowing for that the collections are still lower than they should be for the film to compare with his earlier Eid films. “

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      • Well the drop is yet to come…It might come around Thursday I guess. Need to wait for the drop to confirm the fate…

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    • jayshah Says:

      Seriously just follow the other sites they are far more honest in Tubelight performance. None go with ‘positive’ headline. Ask our journalists on the forum what a headline is supposed to present. Not sugarcoating certainly? Sandhya!!!

      The raping of Kaabil continues. The brokeback mountain love of SRK and Salman continues. Overseas it’s a disaster. I see more logical POV on Facebook forums about this named site and I thought this was the central intelligence of bloggers!

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      • LOL @ ‘brokeback’ mountain love!

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      • It needs around 180 crs to be average. A range of 160 to 175 will give it a Below Average Tag. The distribution price to Hirawat was around 130 crs…It still has a chance to reach 180 crs if it puts 20 crs each for next 2 days..Very difficult but not outside the realms of possibility. The Indicine figures of 250 crs are for the Hit Tag, that’s ruled out now…
        If it ends at around 130 crs then it will be a disaster for sure as that’s 50 cr losses for the distributors…

        The good (?) thing about this now is that JHMS has been sold at ONLY 65 crs to the same distributors. Not sure if it is the effect of TL. The other way to look at it is that maybe Red Chillies don’t have a great product in hand and wants to just get the Hit Tag based on economics. JHMS is a surefire hit at these prices even at 120 crs. That’s Kaabil territory when it comes to economics and I had raised the same doubt with kaabil too…

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        • The reduction in distribution price of JHMS is probably due to the poor reaction that the promos and song trailer have received. And may have something to do with the better reaction that Toilet has managed to get, which is scheduled to release in its second week.

          After burning their hands with TL, its natural for NH Studios to be careful with their next biggie. Of course, Red Chillies agreeing to a lower price than previously negotiated shows lack of confidence on their product too.

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          • I don’t think its poor reaction. The mini trailers are just that as introduction of characters and the real TRP are the songs.

            Anyways, put down the plan for you guys. I don’t see anyone can call that as a bad plan. You get everything out there by the time movie releases.

            https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2017/06/21/jab-harry-met-sejal-trailer/#comment-364193

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          • jayshah Says:

            It’s a pretty poor plan if surveys are done and interest is less. Your view is from the prism of a huge SRK fan. So you will like everything you hear.

            The best plan the theatrical trailer. In any case I can say the plan didn’t work if movie flops to the extent the plan if conventional might drive up interest. If the movie’s a hit it’s hardly down to marketing, right?

            I get why this might be a great plan. But nothing suggests it’s working, except you!

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        • jayshah Says:

          Link for 65 CR?

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          • There is no link. But my information is right…A link might come in few days…

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          • jayshah Says:

            Ok I guess your word is as good as BOI’s … just kidding will take your word on it.

            If true I don’t read too much into it. It’s clear the promotion has not worked till now. A theatrical trailer can change that. It could be a mix of everything: trailers, TEPK impact, Tubelight failure, losing screens week 2 or just a more logical decision by RCE for which is good. This is where SRK is just a better business man. He might just be doing what RR did with Kaabil. The ancillary revenues from good media perception on films is probably sizeable. Though not the SRK of old.

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          • I have been wrong many times before too but anyways we will know in a week or so…The news will surely reach Indicine etc…I remember clearly the negotiations were for 120 crs which was ridiculously high as even Dilwale was sold for less…But 65 looks the other extreme now..

            I Think it might be due to his last 2 movies under/non performance where he is making up with the distributors… But 65 crs for theatricals is almost throwaway prices…Even SRKs underperforming movies do 130 to 140 crs, more than Akshay’s hits…Fan of course is a different genre and I am not bracketing them into his usual movies..I hope the movie is not as bad as the teasers. Usually his movies have great trailors and not so good content, hopefully here it is opposite. It needs a couple of good songs and a strong trailor. As of now looking like a 15 to 20 cr opening, which is not so good for SRK…

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          • “I remember clearly the negotiations were for 120 crs which was ridiculously high”

            You are wrong there.. that 120 cr was for India and overseas combined if NH was purchasing together. If separate, it will go 65/45 now around 110 crores total IMO.

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        • No one’s questioning Akshay kumar who is giving this hits at 100 cr and superhit at 120 crs from last few yrs. Folks are even putting Akshay ahead of Srk one here based his consistent hits even if they are grossing lesser than Srk’s underperformers. This is Akshay template but also shows the content is more metro centric. I can talk more only after watching the movie but the ppl who put money weren’t ready to pay more than 65 cr, so our online discussions are waste.

          Btw, Kaabil was sold low as well and would have become Hit at 110 crores but it ended up at 84 crores and Flop. So, I think knowing Imtiaz Ali’s sensibilities ( his max film is under 80 crs) they expect at 120 crs min and if it makes 150 cr, they’ll be in plus. Near 200, its huge gain for the distributors.

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  77. Read this on Twitter:

    Salman’s continuous Eid releases: 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017.
    Eid release which broke Lifetime record : 2013

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    • jayshah Says:

      I know this and fully endorse the opinion that only SRK has broken any record albeit 5 years later only for that record to be broken within months again. Salman won’t. The only superstar is content. Bask in the glory of a flop performance and more agendas from sites, the grave realities are all in Indicine Q&A yesterday.

      http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/askindicine-qna-4pm-8/

      JHMS, Tubelight responses spot on. People sugarcoat anything for their fans. Any fan even ME. But numbers don’t lie, spin a lie off a number, do it many times but eventually everyone knows the truth. Tubelight is a huge flop, now it’s just damage control.

      BB2 has changed it. The first real big film that can change anything as it had time was Thugs. JHMS probably can’t change much in any case a love story is not the right comparison. TZH can reshoot some scenes. Robot 2 shifted for obvious reasons. Dwarf film has huge advantage just like anything else in pre production.

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      • Indicine is a pretty loose site. Here is an example:

        “One failure doesn’t change anything. It didn’t change for SRK after FAN, Aamir after Talaash, Hrithik after Mohenjo Daro or Akshay after numerous setbacks.”

        Clubbing Talaash with flops like Fan and Mohenjodaro is simply dumb. Talaash did fairly well considering its suspense drama genre, niche mainstream appeal and medium budget. Its actually a multiplex hit and can be termed as an overall semi-hit. In many ways Talaash behaved like DCH at BO. How is it similar to disasters like Fan and Mohenjodaro ???

        They are also trying to club SRK, Salman and Aamir together, which is again too dumb. When Aamir is giving the highest grossers in non-massy, non-masala films like PK and Dangal, he is obviously a cut above the rest at BO.

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        • jayshah Says:

          You’re reading it differently whilst I note they are not the same. But Talaash in between Ghajini, 3 Idiots and D3 etc. was a small setback. It wasn’t a shock performance. Aamir was smart not to go big with it on a holiday. In the end it seems he knew product won’t do big business and cut losses. I’m not saying love this site but as a general point it’s far closer to being truthful than the one whose name I shall not take.

          1) It’s English is edited. It along with others held its hands up during Kaabil Raees clash pointing out Kaabil was being cheated to some extent.
          2) It’s q&a is much better.
          3) It gave BB2 and Dangal equal coverage, although I would say it showed more for Dangal which was unfair IMO.
          4) It along with talkingmoviez, bollywoodarena, addatoday is calling a spade a spade with Tubelight and not sugarcoating. It’s headlines are either negative or neutral, which is fair. Nothing positive.

          I could go on.

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          • I would not call Talaash a setback Jay. Yes, it was released between colossal grossers like 3 Idiots and Dhoom 3, but if you go back to the interviews that Aamir gave during Talaash promotions, he had categorically classified Talaash as niche mainstream movie (he had called DG a non-mainstream, art-house film previously). They carefully budgeted Talaash and did not expect it to beat 3 Idiots’ 200 cr. It still managed to do nearly 100 cr. The problem with it was its trending. But I blame the release strategy for that, they should have gone for a smaller screen count and it may have trended much better.

            I agree with the rest of your points and I do follow this site as a reference point like the others you mentioned. But I find Indicine’s tone a bit anti-Aamir, not willing to give him his due that easily.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Box office wise it’s a setback for Indian media who’ll not understand a nuanced film period. A few more crores i.e. 100 CR obviously media would have jumped in air like Michael Jordan. It’s the difference between 99 and 100 that really has baffled box office reporting. Look at Bradman, he’s more famous because he did not get 100 average! That stat alone is quiz question galore! Talaash was not a liked film period. But no other star was capable of giving the film that level of credibility at box office. Tubelight from word go shows Salman’s huge glaring flaws as an actor; Aamir post Lagaan cannot really be challenged like this in ANY of his films. Fine he’s not exceptional but he’ll pass the acid test. Only D3 it’s debatable but heck that film smashed every record in sight!

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          • Talaash was not a outright flop…The worldwide theatrical cost for Reliance was around 65 crs if i recollect. I think they might have just about made it worldwide..I don’t even remember how it did overseas…In India it was around 80 to 90 crs…

            It also means Aamir was expecting the movie to do around 130 crs+…One can draw their own analogy based on this.

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          • Doing a Talaash in between 3 Idiots and D3, is much like doing a TZP between Fanaa and Ghajini or Secret Superstar between Dangal and Thugs.

            Of course Secret superstar can do 200-250 cr if it gets accepted like TZP. But even if it does 100 cr it will be a BO hit given its low budget (15-20 cr if I am not wrong here). That cant be called a setback just because Aamir had a 100 cr grosser in between two 400 cr grossers (or so).

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          • jayshah Says:

            Not getting embroiled into this. LOL. I’ve not said flop. I’m not replacing flop with setback either. I’ll pick my words differently now. Talaash was expected to do more. But for the kind of film it was in ‘hindsight’ it did as much as any A list star could take it. It still means it was not a failure. Once one see’s the film from the prism of taste and culture of Bollywood films you can understand why it was not loved; it does not have a hero, I love the soundtrack (but today’s youth like ‘twist’ or ‘selfie’, understanding something like the jazz number or laakh duniye kahe is compromising, the heroines are hardly glamorous, the story is so dark and the ending if ‘out’ and known kind of kills the film. It’s in the Pink space without a real social prevalent message. Compound this with delays, it becomes from being awaited to getting negative press.

            Only really Kahaani, Pink and Baby can be compared. All 4 good films but never the kind to get huge numbers. I remember my hot predictions pre Talaash, I went big! But after seeing it one can understand why it cannot go big. It’s not ‘obvious’ storytelling; requiring the audience to think didn’t help it.

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          • @Krish – Talaash was taken up by Reliance for 60 cr only on advance basis, but it was for worldwide rights. WW it recovered 65 cr distributor shares (45 cr share from 90 cr nett in India; 20 cr from overseas share from 50 cr gross in overseas). Reliance made a small profit here. The budget was 45 cr (Aamir did not charge his acting fee but took profit sharing as producer from distribution price and ancillary revenues). Everyone made money on Talaash.

            Here is Komal Nahta explaining Talaash Economics in detail:

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          • @Jay – I agree that Talaash is not a bonafide BO success or a Hit film. Its more in the space of DCH, MP or DG where no one lost money in the distribution chain, but there were no big profits either. But not many movies of A-listers does this!

            I dont mind if anyone calls these movies Average grossers (by Aamir standards). But if we go by the soft BOI classifications for SRK/Salman movies, then they are much more than just Average. One just needs to be consistent across Stars and films.

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      • “I know this and fully endorse the opinion that only SRK has broken any record albeit 5 years later only for that record to be broken within months again”

        More like little over 3.5 yrs and not 5 years! But the point is the real coincidence that the only year he missed, the other movie broke a lifetime record. Tubelight wasted Eid’s date this year, should have given for another movie worthy of creating records (not JHMS though but it would have given little boost to its collections).

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        • jayshah Says:

          There are no such movies. Everyone is scared to pick Eid in case Salman comes. No stars are ready to down Salman or Aamir, they are either busy with calculators or renegotiation of distribution costs or in Akshay’s case signing films for republic day 2050.

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          • LOL!

            Salman will probably make up with Dabangg 3 on Eid next year. After Wanted, I have always wondered why he doesnt sign up another Prabhudeva film.

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          • The minute Salman gets a hit, he wants to encash its equity by floating a sequel. Dabangg franchise should be left alone IMO, also Wanted. I’m not so certain about ETT either.
            Also, SRK must forget about DON now.
            This insecurity and bankruptcy of ideas are what is costing these stars.

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        • More like little over 3.5 yrs and not 5 years! But the point is the real coincidence that the only year he missed, the other movie broke a lifetime record. Tubelight wasted Eid’s date this year, should have given for another movie worthy of creating records (not JHMS though but it would have given little boost to its collections).

          >>>>

          And 2013 was the only year apart from 2012 when Eid and Independence Day came few days apart, among all those years mentioned. That’s as big a holiday period as it comes. 2012 as we know was the only Eid that Salman came close (too close if one takes producer’s total).

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          • “And 2013 was the only year apart from 2012 when Eid and Independence Day came few days apart, among all those years mentioned. That’s as big a holiday period as it comes. ”

            So, you think that extra holiday helped to break Lifetime record? If you are digging that deeply, let me also remind that Aug 15 was 7th day of CE’s release but another major release and also a sequel of well loved OUTIM was released and taking over lot of the screens of CE. That year is also the only time where a major release has taken up the half screens of a movie within 6 days of the release and not usual of 2 weeks release full screens available. Now, if CE had full booking for 2 weeks, wouldn’t it have really helped more than sharing an additional holiday?

            FYI: Aug 15 – CE did 19 crs, OUTIMD did 14 crs, If it was solo, it would have done another 30 crs as it did on 1st Sunday.

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          • If Bahubali 2 doesn’t convince anyone that holidays are not the be all and end all than I’m not sure what will. Even Dangal fell with competition but it made it up later. To be frank for CE to be a convincing record breaker a total in excess of 250 CR was required, what D3 duly obliged with.

            The response was not in the same stratosphere (like D3) compared to 3 Idiots. CE also had also many holidays during weekdays that spiked it’s trend beyond week 2. Talk all facts not just one day!

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          • Jayshah: you are sounding like a broken record. Do you even read my original comment and the reply to that and who brought the holidays discussion? If you didn’t get it, don’t try it now.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Ok Mr Master!

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          • One point not in favor of CE was not just the release on Day 7 but immediately afterwards too…I think it was OUATIM2 followed by that Vicky Donor John Abraham movie followed by Aarakshan – 3 weeks in a row….I think it would have touched 250crs with a bit of respite there.

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          • Ifs, buts, maybes. If Dangal had Xmas fall nicely and no competition, no Sultan, no demo etc. – where would it finish? Why be so hung up on this one SRK film when any film can be privileged. Bottom line, CE was just a good movie even if that! Why invest the effort in trying to make it something bigger? All reeks of sour grapes from SRK fans.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Also since august 2013, SRK has had HNY, Dilwale & Raees to put the record straight. All 3 have favourable classifications. He’s simply judged differently.
            1) He didn’t choose a clash with BM, but got one and lost big
            2) He avoided Sultan but took FilmKraft date in a dirty way
            3) He PLAYED DIRTY with figures like FilmKraft. I’m sure both you (Master & Krrish) as SRK fans know this. I hardly see you challenge your favourite in this dirtying tactics? Why is it acceptable for him? Answer?

            Some critique on your beloved is welcome occasionally? No point sticking up defense all the time. He has played dirty and pointing out one film like CE is hardly a debate. And this RR should give date is not answer. He picked date FIRST and got his product ready for it as promised.

            Anti SRK leader – what will you be? LOL! I’m not even going there, every review of his film says it all. Point me to one comment you said something negative about him?

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          • “Why invest the effort in trying to make it something bigger? All reeks of sour grapes from SRK fans.”

            Why are YOU investing your energy continuously to show that CE was nothing movie and not even good one. You are commenting on every comment of CE just to prove. All signs of anti-SRK leader!!

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          • On Raees, RCE stopped giving collections after the first Monday when they inflated to be ahead of Kaabil…After they fudged on Monday I had criticized their calculator too but after that they just stopped giving any numbers (maybe after Tuesday or Wednesday) because they knew it was just silly on their part. kaabil never stopped at any point of time. They went on and on and would have even given some numbers today had it been playing in even 1 screen…

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          • jayshah Says:

            Again this just sounds like a soft defense. 9/11 killed thousands, France killed 1. Still politics and terrorism.

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          • Krrish, I remember this we both mentioned that RCE is also inflating coz if they don’t do it looks Kaabil will cross over Raees infront of everyone’s eyes. But Raees team realized the dirty game and suddenly all the collections from Monday onwards had been updated on Bollywood Hungama by Thu even if it meant its lower than Kaabil. Later once the business ended, BH also lowered Kaabil but still kept over 100 crores when it was 84 lifetime.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Two wrongs don’t make a right. You’re still defending RCE position based on media bias. It’s all hogwash. ‘we’ said is perfectly apt for both of you. As soon as Krish mentioned JHMS DC figures with no verification, Master piped in.

            I’m not invested in personally attacking both of you. You both present uniqueness to the blog. So I’ll leave it there.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Aanand Rai’s film is India’s Best Technical Film Ever : Shah Rukh Khan

            http://www.talkingmoviez.com/aanand-rais-film-is-indias-best-technical-film-ever-shah-rukh-khan/

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  78. Seems gripping!

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  79. P.K Talli Says:

    Jai ho was 58 cr , Raees with the clash was 60 so i don’t know how 63 for Tubelight with highest ATP is good by any standards also i might be wrong here but looking at the bookings it seems like today might be the lowest day unless there is a big pick in afternoon & evening shows .

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  80. It’s official.

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  81. P.K Talli Says:

    Lol this is not the real Taran Adarsh .

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  82. tonymontana Says:

    I might be wrong but shouldnt we wait for the eid day collections before passing the versict. During ramzan movies dont collect much anyway

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    • jayshah Says:

      I’m not expecting a Bahubali type stampede once the folks open the doors at home after Ramzan to the cinema, but you’re right one source doesn’t tell the story.

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  83. Tuesday will probably tell the clear picture where the movie is heading. Morning occupancy was not that good but have picked up since noon. Could be in vicinity of around another 20crrs day.

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  84. Eid Audience Stays Away Fom Tubelight On Monday
    Monday 26 June 2017 23.30 IST
    Box Office India Trade Network
    Tubelight has faltered after the weekend as the Eid audience has not really come to the theatres like it has happened past. It was a big holiday so the film should have held its collections like Sunday and added the Muslim audience in most of India but that has not happenned. The collections will show a drop on Monday as compared to Sunday. The figure will be known in the morning as some places are up but others have seen big falls as compared to day one and Sunday but Monday is a huge setback for the film.
    Despite the negativity around the film and the poor reports it still looked like cruising to 150 crore nett plus total with the normal Eid trend but with that audience not coming it could even struggle to become the biggest grosser of the first half of 2017 and this will send shock waves around the industry. The distributors will loose heavily but that is not much of an issue as when you pay such high prices the risk is always there and on top the producers profits are more than double the distributors losses thanks to a record digital price. Nothing is wrong in terms of economics (budget) of the film and it is not a financial disaster but for the industry not to have a 150 crore nett grosser in the first half of the year when Salman Khan, Shahrukh Khan. Akshay Kumar and Hrithik Roshan have all had releases is a shocker. A dubbed Telugu film will do more in Hindi than the combined business of the four films featuring these big stars and that shows the sad state of affairs in the Hindi film industry. It pretty much tells the story of 2017 till date which is one film proves that huge business is there and the audience wants to come but we are unable to deliver.
    There will be talk of even Salman Khan on a downward spiral now but nothing really changes for him, he remains the most popular star for the Hindi audience by a distance and it will take 4 or 5 Tubelight’s to change that. But it is the responsibility of the star to make sure that a big festival release does not have arty treatment by the director as is the case here, the reports of a slow arty type film among the audience have ensured his mass following has not turned up after Eid which is a huge setback not only for the film but the industry also.

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    • Coolguy Says:

      2 points.
      1. Distributor losing is not much of an issue according to BOI since they committed sin of paying heavy price to a star they reckon is the biggest by a distance.
      I am no BO expert but isn’t it important for distributors to make money on a film made by biggest star by so called BO experts. And they are liable to invest heavily on such a film.

      2. So called Arty film on a holiday. Does Dangal qualify as arty by BOI or not??
      Isn’t it important just to make a good film and decide finances on the merit of the film too apart from the star appeal.

      3rd point – It will take Salman 4-5 tubelights to reach SRK level, but SRK neens one 300 cr nett to out do all. right?? 😉

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      • Classic BOI scam.. as if any top star let alone one as hot as Salman is likely to have 4-5 Tubelights in a row! Less than that and the star is fine. Of course no one said anything other than that Tubelight is a significant failure for him. Don’t think anyone said ‘Salman’s over!’. But again classic BOI tactics. Just as they’ve suddenly included SRK and Hrithik and Akshay here as well. Was anyone expecting huge things from Mohenjodaro? Does any Akshay film cross 150? Raees is a fair one but even this was hardly in the Tubelight league in terms of expectations. So those films might have missed 150 when best case scenario was either below 150 or maybe a bit over. With Tubelight the best case scenario was Bajrangi at the very least. At least till the previews came out.

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        • jayshah Says:

          Forget this. Did Eid actually happen or we waiting till tomorrow or has this site actually figured out Tubelight was struggling. Took 4 days. Less than it took to cotton onto Dangal in China. Improvement shown!

          Aren’t the losses including overseas at Broken Horses, Bombay Velvet etc. level? Or suddenly the nett collections matter?

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          • jayshah Says:

            All India selling price is minimum 130 CR. So losses are huge here, but not much of an issue LOL! If I was a drinker, I swear I’d be in the garden laughing my ass off with this nonsense. Epic disaster is the word. That’s without overseas losses!

            Now the interesting film is JHMS. DCH has been murdered, the talisman of that film’s essence is directing SRK. Of course site became fans of Excel Entertainment with Raees & now will support European cinema to the hills of Switzerland! And become fans of China when Bahubali 2 releases there!

            In all honesty I would not like this site to suddenly find love for Aamir or Hrithik or Akshay. It’s fake love & quite puking love. Who’d want this desperate love where failure is celebrated.

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          • P.K Talli Says:

            Huge table profits for the producers , massive losses for the distributors .. could be around 100 cr . From a solid looking Hindi film it has become an art film in 3 days also after all Pre Eid excuses film seems to have crashed on Eid Day .

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          • At 130 crs the movie will be classified under disaster, no doubt about that

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        • jayshah Says:

          Love how no one gave 150 CR hit but 1200 CR + from China is forgotten LOL

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        • It is a setback for salman, whatever spin boi would like to give it. The guy thought he could do an aamir anytime he wanted on the dint of one bajrangi and failed. It is not as easy as it seems- to get the blockbuster as well the prestige tag.

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          • Agree, Tubelight is a setback but if TZH releasing same year is a huge blockbuster and over 300 crores, it will be dusted and forgotten like Jai Ho where Kick released same year and did great. But if TZH also underperforms, it will change the scenario. Like PRDP also underperformed but as that year also had Bajrangi Bhaijan, it was overlooked.

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          • Who was the guy on this blog who told Salman needs a hit to regain no.1 spot? I think he was the same guy who was advocating for BOI when Dangal’s China BO discussions were going on here. Maybe different guys, don’t remember. Anyways, the point is, Aamir is in the league of his own. It doesn’t matter if media doesn’t accept it. Because its a fact. And Aamir uncle apart from being a huge star is also a terrific actor and filmmaker. So he probably isn’t going anywhere for sometime to come.

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          • @coolguy – Agreed. Aamir’s strength over other stars is his film-making aptitude and talent. Makes him a cut above the rest. I have high expectations from his current set of movies – Secret Superstar, TOH & Salute. Not from BO point of view, but as good films. If the films are good, BO will follow.

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          • I seriously doubt that Sallu will be able to bring in the audiences with rehashed sequels like TZP. His 300+cr efforts have been well scripted originals: BB and Sultan (which technically was a stolen idea that just released earlier). Everything else has been below 250cr. Age has caught up to him as well, what with the short bloated chap visible onscreen in TB. He will need something exceedingly original, and not comprising this sacharine sweet persona he seems to have grown fond of portraying lately.
            IMHO, Sallu will soon join SRK in the below 200cr league, and suddenly find himself in an unplanned career, just meandering from one inconsequential release to another.

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  85. P.K Talli Says:

    Girish Johar (@girishjohar) Verified 4 hours ago
    #Tubelight effect … @BeingSalmanKhan next is #Bharat directed by @aliabbaszafar … both’s 3rd after #Sultan #TigerZindaHai ..back to 💪💪💪

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    • Yeah he is not doing the Remo Dance movie now…

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      • I just can’t believe how Akshay kumar has not registered the title ‘Bharat’ from years for one of his upcoming movies. He’s been consistently called Mr. Bharat in the media and is doing more patriotic stuff than Salman Khan.

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  86. Via WA –

    Rakhi to SRK and Sallu – “Zara dekho power hai ?
    SRK- “Fan is not working ”
    Sallu- “Tube light is not working ”
    P.S.- ab Dangal hoga !!!!

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  87. Salman is losing out here, but he has more films coming up, so he should be ok. But the damage to Kabir Khan’s career is irrevocable. He needed a bonafide success with Tubelight to remove all doubts regarding his talent and to establish himself as a big director. Kabir Khan will now go back to square one and will need a fantastic film to get back in the game. It’s a hard life for directors. One or two big flops and you have to prove yourself all over again. Example, Bhansali.

    SRK won’t mind this development. It brings more parity between him and Salman. As for Aamir, he won’t have much sympathy for Salman either, after the Sultan episode. Incidentally, Salman’s best phase came when his friendship with Aamir was at its peak, and both were talking a great deal about movies, scripts etc.

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    • Salman has been quite lucky with both success and failures. He attained success using his raw star power, even when he was young, and his failures din’t hurt him much. Before Wanted/Dabang he wasn’t even in Top 5.

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      • “Before Wanted/Dabang he wasn’t even in Top 5.”

        This is not correct assessment. To be fair, his movies were not working but as a STAR, he was always in TOP 5 all throughout his career even when he was giving disasters. His stardom was intact and he just needed a right project to get back to the game and Dabang gave him that platform. The movie was trash but just the promos and Salman’s character in that mode did the trick. The movie looked blockbuster even before release. It was the highest opener of that time – the 1st day and 1st weekend. After that he stepped back and stopped signing movies for friends and all and slowly got back his career. If you sign every offered movie, everyone will have flops.

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        • With all due respect saying that Salman was in the top 5 throughout his career is absurd. Don’t have the energy to rake up this debate but it’s astonishing you could believe this.

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          • You have retired from filmi debates – literally and figuratively 🙂

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          • ha.. I’m sure others are thankful!

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          • Again, as I said…. read the word STAR or STARDOM. if you look at the movies you won’t understand his stardom. He was far bigger star but doing crappy films and the opening won’t reflect that. He was still referred as ‘Superstar’ and other stars who were giving hits were not Superstars and only Hrithik and Akshay joined that list in last decade. Still makes him Top 5. Just coz Ajay or Abhishek had more hits in that phase doesn’t make them bigger star than Salman.

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          • I know what you meant and I reiterate my original comment.

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          • Would be”great” for your post-retirement commentary on the above statement!!

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  88. The big fall has not happened on Monday due to Eid (expected). Early reports are at 17-18 cr. The big drop can be expected today or tomorrow. I dont think it will get to 150 cr now, will probably end up in Raees range of 130 cr.

    https://www.bollyarena.net/tubelight-4th-day-box-office-collection/

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  89. Earlier, the Aamir Khan-starrer became the only non-Hollywood film to be listed among the top 16 highest-grossing films of all time at the China box office. And, now the film has become the fifth highest-grossing non-English film in the history and the highest-grossing live actions sports film of 2017.

    The film has already beaten movies like Captain America: Civil War, xXx: Return Of Xander Cage, Transformers: Dark Of The Moon, Titanic 3D, and The Jungle Book to take the 16th position in the top highest-grossing films of all time list at the China box office. Aamir Khan’s blockbuster is now behind world’s biggest hits Avatar and Chris Pratt’s Jurassic World, which hold position at number 15 and 14, respectively at the China box office.

    http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/dangal-sets-a-new-benchmark-with-2000-crores-collections-worldwide/

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  90. Tubelight Monday – 18.5 crores

    Tubelight has recorded the 8th highest Monday ever but considering it was a national holiday and that coming post Ramadan it should have been higher up the chart. It should have got in the top five and if the weekend had been that blockbuster one then a top two position was assured. The collections are less than half of Bahubali – The Conclusion whose Monday did not fall on a national holiday but its probably better not to compare Tubelight or any other film in the last 15 years with that as its on a different planet. A better comparison would be Krrish 3 as that was released pre Diwali and jumped big on the national holiday which came post Diwali recording close to 30 crore nett. Below are the top ten first Monday collections of all time.

    1. Bahubali (Hindi) – 39.81 crore (Partial Holiday, Enhanced Ticket Rates)

    2. Krrish 3 – 29.64 crore (Holiday)

    3. Bajrangi Bhaijaan – 26.78 crore (Holiday)

    4. Dangal – 24,98 crore (Enhanced Ticket Rates)

    5. PK – 21.15 crore (Enhanced Ticket Rates)

    6. Dhoom 3 – 19.87 crore (Enhanced Ticket Rates)

    7. Ek Tha Tiger – 18.96 crore (Holiday)

    8. Tubelight – 18.50 crore apprx (Holiday)

    9. Ae Dil Hai Mushkil – 17.68 crore (Holiday)

    10. Rustom – 17.48 crore (Holiday)

    http://www.boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=3034

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        Eid has saved Tubelight massively. And to be frank Salman’s stardom has given it glowing box office praise too! The trade waited in this case before butchering it. It’s got 100 CR in the bag in week 1 now, now it’s chasing BNKD and Raees.

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          Seriously where is the film? Salman seems drunk or quite stupid. Taking your fans for a ride – he deserves this colossal failure. Heck even our own livewire deserted the film. Master watches every film, couldn’t be bothered here.

          And Salman expects people to pay premium for what appears to be a substandard film where his Salman ‘act’ is missing. This is a star drunk purely on Bajrangi Bhaijaan success. Little humility vs. SRK who seems to refund distributors for non performance.

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          • That tweet is from 2013 not after Tubelight

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          • Lol, Krish. I was sure Jayshah will fall for it!

            Even here the comment is not complete without mention of Srk, haha.

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          • Srinivas Says:

            It seems you are too drunk on Amir support bandwagon. Be careful before you reply or else you lose your identity and value. I thought you are very sane in analysing. [edited]

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          • But why put out a 2013 tweet?

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          • jayshah Says:

            To frame me obviously! And I fell for it! Tut tut. Will need to keep an eye on Master’s tweets now LOL!

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          • “But why put out a 2013 tweet?”

            That was tweet trending on Twitter and its a joke and then I went and posted under Taran’s collection tweet. I posted it as joke to refer Salman’s own tweet to the current situation in his life as twitter is doing. (If anyone I expected Jayshah to fall for it and he did).

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          • “Lol, Krish. I was sure Jayshah will fall for it!

            Even here the comment is not complete without mention of Srk, haha.”

            Really sounds adulthood like! Thanks for explaining Mr Master! You respond to this and I’ll leave it. Throw you the final word on this whole incredible prank.

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          • I already did. That was a joke and I thought everyone will get the joke that how times have changed for Salman that his tweet has become a joke.

            As I was talking with you in that time frame, if anyone I thought you will overlook the date and you did. How is that a framing or trapping, its just oversight of date. I don’t know why you taking that as big insult.. I laughed that you overlooked the date and went ahead of the intended joke.

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          • Ok I will respond. Have you watched Home Alone? The kid sets traps ‘knowing that the bad guy will fall for it’. You are just admitting you knew I would and went through with it.

            I’m not embarrassed or insulted btw. I’m just pointing out that you intended for me to respond so simply put you weren’t exactly acting in good faith. And dust is settled. I’m over it. I’ve had a chat with the police and they said I fell for it. A big hole was dug and I walked into it. They said the person who dug the hole is not responsible.

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          • ..went beyond* the intended joke.

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          • I think I mentioned clearly…. I specifically went and posted under Taran’s tweet of mine but you posted in that timeline, it appears below your tweet. Once I posted I realized folks overlooking the date and not getting the joke. You did and went beyond the joke. Either ways.. if you call that framing, great. Maybe I’m good at it. Btw, are you interested in buying Taj Mahal, I plan to sell it cheaply ?

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          • Not interested. Sure I’ll get SRK wrapping paper all over it. If it’s toilet paper I’ll think about it.

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          • Trying to prove one upmanship through such infantile methods is more absurd & childish than Jayshah’s unintentional falling into this trap!!

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  91. From where these 18-19 crores are coming . Advance bookings are abysmal. It seems the dedicated mass following of Salman is paying dividend here. A 130 crore for a totally rejected film isn’t that bad. Don’t think it should be compared with Raees. That film has some sort of acceptance.Today it may earn between 13-14 crores.

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    • Whatever it was, Sridevi would have ruined Baahubali and the role was destined for Ramyakrishna. The whole movie owuld have not worked too if Sridevi was cast. She doesn’t have powerful voice neither she is dramatic actor like usual south actors, she’s too subtle for the movie. Glad she rejected and saved the movie!

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  92. jayshah Says:

    Ok seems games are being played. So I will rightfully reserve my comments as I’m not into childish behaviour. It seems Srinivas I did fall for it. The Master/Krish conduit is out in full force and you’ve joined in. Well done. I know my own judgement better than anyone. I don’t need your street credit. I got it from many here period and have so for over 10 years.

    My comments still apply whether tweet is 2013 or whatever. I stand by it. I don’t blindingly support every Aamir film. Just yesterday I challenged Talaash verdict with Marcus, PK. I’ve hardly said wonderful things about D3. But I know I’m an Aamir Khan fan – hardly a poor position to be in! Lynch all you want. If it makes you happy carry on and on. Been here done that on NG. I’m still here.

    Purposely placing a tweet – nice trick! Rounding the troops to frame me, lovely! Make a film out of it and maybe SRK will get a clean hit (Yes Master I mentioned him again).

    As a general comment it is never the star or team one dislikes. It’s the idiotic fans that tend pull up the star from their own political love. I won’t pull out the comments a few members labelled Master with a few days back. But clearly they were right.

    I won’t comment on this one further. Clearly a set up which shows more about the intentions of you 3 than me.

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    • jayshah Says:

      In addition I don’t have the film insider knowledge of Master or box office knowledge of Krish. If the decision was in my hands to leave the forum at the expense of either I’d pick them both over me. I actually do respect them both as they bring a lot to the table.

      So make your choices if you have to. Some people will be privileged to know my personal life and will know this kind of stuff is not worth it. The others playing games can simply F off.

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    • Jay, I hope you won’t become blind like Amitabh Bachchan or Tendulkar fans. Don’t get fooled by Aamir’s career between Lagaan and Dangal. Alright, even if you like those films at least keep it all in perspective the way fans of SRK and Salman (and others) constantly do. Because they’re always guided by facts. Some even know more about SRK’s films (when or why he is doing certain films or not) than Gauri. Similarly on the box office they always know what’s going on without resorting to cheap tricks of verification. or falling so low as to include China in the international box office. Finally I’ll say Aamir isn’t Akshay. You can’t become that blind about him.

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      • “Some even know more about SRK’s films (when or why he is doing certain films or not) than Gauri. ”

        You must be kidding… EVERYONE knows business of movies better than Gauri Khan. Lol.

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    • “I don’t have the film insider knowledge of Master or box office knowledge of Krish”

      Sometimes even SRK is surprised to learn how well his films have done from them…

      Couldn’t resist this!

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    • Hey come on mate, I just pointed out the tweet date, didnt mean to slight you at all…Sorry if you felt that way

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    • “Ok seems games are being played. So I will rightfully reserve my comments as I’m not into childish behaviour. ”

      Lol, what is childish behavior? That tweet was trending on twitter and its a joke and if you didn’t catch it, it is not my fault. KRK has been posting lots of tweet from Salman’s old timeline as a out of context jokes as well. Just coz you fell for it doesn’t mean I framed(that too with other ‘group’) nor that tweet is for you. Am I selling you Tajmahal here?

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  93. “Where r the fans?” may not have been said by Salman himslf, but it is a question that many insiders and outsiders are asking after Tubelight. The movie did not do as well as expected even on Eid. Even today it had opened dismally (as per reports) and is unlikely to grow over the day. So what happened to Salman’s starpower and BO pull that many had gloated about the last few years? What happened to Salman’s quote that his films are critic-proof? To his credit he has enough frenzied fans to pull up 84 cr over the extended weekend. The rest of his fan base clearly dont want to see him act so poorly in a mentally-slow avatar.

    As for criticizing Salman/Tubelight, it has nothing much to do about being an Aamir fan or a SRK fan. Everyone is indulging in it in this blog. So why pick out one? Tubelight BO is the current topic of discussion and there is hardly anything positive to say.

    Aamir is at a position where a flop from Salman or SRK or Akshay does not affect him. Period. He is a fine film-maker who is not only churning out excellent films in various genres without resorting to cliched masala stereotypes, but also setting BO records with them. He is cut above the rest and his strength does not lie on other’s failures (that is where SRK stands now). Aamir fans are also not insecure, just like Aamir himself.

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    • It is ridiculous to expect not to bring in srk and aamir into tubelight discussion. What is there to talk about a flop film on its own? It’s all about context, and how it alters things.

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    • jayshah Says:

      I like to agree with last statement. I’ll say in general we are secure but we would like media, print to acknowledge it. At same time not BOI. I said yesterday there love is misplaced and some nice words on Aamir from them means little. I’d be embarrassed to yearn for this and am embarrassed to a huge degree to have fought for this. Likes of Forbes etc. genuine brands are giving him due credit as they did with Bahubali 2 before it became a rat race that it seems only Dangal could win. A star means little if placed in poor films period. A star means more if placed in good content oriented films.

      NYKavi’s point about BB and Sultan being original is so important. They gave Salman a platform to be ‘salman’ but in an unconventional format. Add content it’s a cocktail of success.

      The debate about CE and releases, competition is a red herring to place SRK above everyone. Those commentators rarely say similar things for other films – the original tweet posted was made to NOT be about SRK, but eventually the poster ended up down that path. Krish was liberated by Dangal and went as far as to say Raees has no excuses, now he’s back to 4 year old debate on CE. I’m surprised that Dangal and Bahubali 2 are not convincing examples of films doing well without holidays, competition etc. The business is extraordinary. And to put the CE business to bed, analytically the argument only has teeth if
      1) WOM is exceptional
      2) Occupancy on the lower screens is maximised.

      Neither was the case. Basically if SRK comes with a big WOM film he’ll break records. Quite frankly the IF is the biggest IF. Otherwise Bahubali 2 does it, no star etc.

      For Dangal and Bahubali 2 losing screens is material – they are running Houseful or 90%+ so losing screens then is an issue as you lose business. BUT because WOM is extraordinary it is made up later on as the numbers proved. Dangal dropped 70% in week 4 with competition but only 40% in week 5. Mathematically the only teeth in this debate is an upfront loss i.e day 1 competition but CE was free for some 6-7 days to earn. It’s consumed a huge chunk already. And again was the film’s occupancy at 3 Idiots, Dangal, BB or Bahubali 2 levels? It’s not considered in the same breath as these films at all – critics warmed to it probably at Sultan level maximum. Those films were loved by critics and audience.

      The hypothesis testing can be applied to ANY film why only CE? SRK has had 3 big films to rectify or regain his standing but he’s not close. Without competition Dilwale & Raees were hardly going to be the big grossers, especially as content was worse than CR.

      WOM has broken records not stars. Stars do it with inflation – took 3.5 years of that with CE. In between Salman peppered the market with huge initials but no lifetime records.

      Bahubali 2 is the biggest middle finger to every box office debate. No star – still biggest ever. Only a big star WITH content can compete in next 18 months. After that it’s the 3 Idiots wait where a film gains a record via inflation & more screens.

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      • jayshah Says:

        Even in sports you don’t stick Messi in Celta Vigo, you have him in the best team possible as the results are more likely. The motley crew of box office experts here judge stardom on pulling through trash; yet stick that star in serious role he is broken. Aamir has his shares of Dil, RH, Fanaa etc. But no one will look at his career this way. A true cinema lover wants great films with big stars not big stars crawling their films past X milestone like it’s some big achievement. Unless you’re Maradona and take a nothing team like Napoli and win the title.

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        • Its so funny when people talk about a star taking a crap product to a ‘x’ milestone. Once in a while its fine, like Aamir has done with D3. I am sure when he started the movie he din’t knew it will end up into a sub par product. Shit happens. But his reputation and fan following pulled it through with flying colours. But to expect a star to consistently do so is actually cheating the viewers. And BOI and SRK/Sallu fans are proud of a 100 cr or 200 cr crap product and challenge Aamir to deliver one. He already has, and people watch Aamir files because they are good films. It will be counter productive for his reputation and image to come up with sub par products consistently. I am sure more than BO no. his nightmare would be he losing touch with people’s sensibilities. In fact in some interviews he has has already said that.

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          • Typo – I meant people watch Aamit films*

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          • Aamir*

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          • Agreed. The real setback that Aamir had between his amazing arc from Lagaan to Dangal is D3. The sub-par film may have set BO records, but it harmed Aamir’s reputation. He is known for and followed for the quality of work that he does, and D3 was an exception. Luckily, he has followed it up with films like PK and Dangal and one such blip (D3) is forgiven and forgotten by the audience.

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  94. P.K Talli Says:

    Komal Nahta on Tubelight collections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDCVsxiqLK0&feature=youtu.be

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    • It’s an index of just how bad things are that Nahta has such a negative report on a star he otherwise supports all the time within 3-4 days or release. In other words in the past he and others have supported all kinds of dubious box office results because of overall big numbers. Even he’s saying that the film will probably not touch 150. Easily Salman’s biggest failure since Dabanng. He had Jai Ho too and if you adjust for all factors Tubelight is doing the same. But Tubelight came with much greater expectations, Jai Ho had a much lower profile. Still these are two very major failures in an otherwise spectacular run. To put it into perspective Aamir has never (yes NEVER) had this kind of failure (whether Jai Ho or Tubelight) since Lagaan. In any genre. Nothing remotely close. Put differently if Tubelight had MP’s initial and trending it would be called a blockbuster without question.

      LOL, Nahta himself making the comparison with Aamir in Dangal on physicality (that Salman put on weight for no reason here). Even otherwise he’s calling it one of the biggest loss-makers around.

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      • Agree on the Aamir bit. Between Lagaan and Dangal, there has been absolutely no loss-makers (not only for distributors but also for all sub-distributors involved). Some of his movies did not make big profits in the distribution chain (DCH, MP, DG & Talaash), but there has been strictly no losses for anyone involved. And its not a matter of compensating distributor losses after the movie fails to deliver. Even Talaash was sold at a price which Reliance easily recovered through its theatrical run without any need for adjustments. Same goes for DG or MP. Aamir not only delivers good films, he also ensures the movie economics are fine too.

        Tubelight on the other hand will cause many sub-distributors to go out of business unless Salman compensates for the losses (which is doubtful). And even if he does that later on, the film has surely not lived up to expectations and is an outright Flop. Doesnt matter how BOI spins it.

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      • Nahata and Taran have elevated themselves from disaster to flop with Tubelight honesty. I’m reading in some blogs this is 100 CR + loss WW. Still it’s joined the 100 CR club, something to throw a party for!

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        • I’m surprised Taran and Komal have decided to be blunt about Tubelight’s BO. They never do it. But generally, the trade guides and influential media guys out there tend to have allegiance to one big star for a period of time. Since Aamir is towering over the rest by a distance, and he has also cultivated his friendship with these two, it’s possible they don’t particularly care about going a bit out of favour with Salman. Also, perhaps Salman slighted them in some way.

          In any case, their sharp criticism is most unexpected.

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          • Salman was very sharp with movie critics before Tubelight release. Tbh much of what Salman said was not wrong. Just a dumb time to say it. It was an open invitation to ridicule him but also Kabir Khan – which Salman should have thought about.

            Nahata has been on rampage since his review. The reviews here were distinctly scathing with respect to previous Salman films. I’m sure this does impact to some audiences, at same time I bet the film is not half as bad as being made out to be. I’m guessing Salman’s acting is though.

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          • It is also a fact that Aamir will not talk arrogantly whoever you are on Bollywood hierarchy but Salman, I have seen could be arrogant in his demeanor. SRK has two modes..In one he talks “AAP” and other “TU” to Bollywood folks.

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        • “I’m surprised Taran and Komal have decided to be blunt about Tubelight’s BO. They never do it.”

          There is no science in this IMO. The movie was sold the biggest price is all over the internet and then grossing the lowest Eid release and movie being not good and TOTAL rejection from the audience, they have nothing to hang onto to it to delay the judgement. If it looked crossing 200 crs, they would have hanged onto it like PRDP but here it looks around 125 crs. It is like Mohenjodaro on a higher scale and solo release.

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          • But right from day one, they gave bad reviews. I would have understood if their criticism got scathing as the days passed, and distributors were losing money. But when have you seen Taran and Komal giving one star to a Salman starrer?

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          • If the movie is very long and boring, they do. Salman doesn’t have such movies often. It reminded me of Swades where both Taran & Komal were adamant 1st show itself its a doucmentary and would surely flop. Tubelight is Salman’s art film in their version and it will never do well.

            The last film which released on Eid during Priyadarshan’s peak and Salman-Kareena pairing. All the critics gave up on the 1st day itself was KYON KI. Strangely, Tubelight reminds lot of folks about Kyon ki with the mentally challenged role Salman played. He repeated his mistake again.

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        • aamirsaurabh Says:

          100cr cld be possible if we include overseas,65-70cr loss wld be from India alone.

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          • jayshah Says:

            It’s losses over 100 CR including overseas. Overseas the film is an absolute disaster. India Eid has saved it from disaster but huge flop with big losses period.

            My prediction of convincingly going past 100 CR was wrong by a day max. The freefall I expected on Monday happened Tuesday. This is testament to Salman’s stardom. Most other films would not have lasted this long eg Besharam that’s literally the only consolation here.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Eagerly anticipating Naveen’s revised ranking now as a superhit had Salman over Aamir but epic flop does what?

            I’m having fun with you kids master and naveen. Time for a little banter not at the expense of me 😀😀😀

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          • pretty remarkable.. though the trailers never looked promising must say this Jai Ho-like result (or worse, all things considered) is quite extraordinary.

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          • jayshah Says:

            It’s Salman Khan. In reality this larger than life onscreen persona works – BB he still stays true despite an unconventional setting just like HSSH. He’s still the good man, doing the good deeds etc. I did not see Sultan fully but he’s still Salman here to the tee, a beefy guy in an action flick. Maybe a bit of story in it.

            But moment the explicit questions of acting are asked he is not accepted. He doesn’t have a fan base that likes him in these roles at all! He so much says it himself. His films are incredibly formulaic. A big song, big entrance, some mast mast, some big dialogues etc. some wooing, some beat ups. The only thing that is magnetic is some dialogues and music. Right through the years I’ve watched MPK, HAHK etc many times. The music never disappointed, you remember the filmi dialogues like ‘no sorry no thank you’ or the recent ones from Wanted or Dabanng.

            He’s hardly presenting a film – mostly just buffoonery. I criticize SRK and Akshay a lot more because at least they can act! Just find a bliming good story and act. Salman is just himself.

            BB is just him in a progressive, national setting. What idiot wouldn’t like a film like that?

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          • hard to disagree with anything here..

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          • jayshah Says:

            Also this is worse than Jai Ho. At least Jai Ho used holiday advantage. Here it seems all trade sites read some weird signals where they 1) delayed verdict as they expected Eid holiday to give film respectability 2) privileged a big star by delaying the blatant obvious that the film flopped on day 1 itself.

            Hindi Medium has to outperform for 3 weeks to get the respect. Salman usually needs 3 days! There is huge prejudice in this. I can’t remember Hindi Medium commentary but I bet it was negative (with hint of a chance if things improve) at start and progressively positive but still just a small success, nothing to speak of in a big sense.

            Tubelight is more so so start and hold on let’s wait for Eid and then decide then start negative stuff. Pure rubbish. Writing was on wall day 1. I don’t like writing a film off on day 1 but if that’s what you do with other films be consistent!

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          • perfectly said in every sense. This is why I thought on the second day that even 150 didn’t seem likely.

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          • I think many were waiting for the Eid collections to see where exactly this film is heading. Everyone knew we have a flop in our hands, but to gauge the extent of losses one needed to see how much push Salman’s core base will give this one on Eid and day after. It eventually did add 19 cr on Eid and 12 cr more on Tuesday. Without Eid it would have been earning in single digits on Monday and Tuesday, and would have just touched 100 cr or ended below 100 cr. But with the Eid push it will now get into the Raees range of 130 cr.

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          • jayshah Says:

            I challenge this as on day 1 many still said 175 or 200 etc not just here but on box office sites, blogs etc. Reading of box office is odd, signals are read wrong. That recalibrated final total is as low as 130 CR now!

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          • I for one was expecting Bhai fans to take this to 200 cr on Day 1. Was not sure that Bhai fans will abandon him on Eid, but it turns out they dont care much for Salman in a mentally challenged role or a forced tearjerker of a film. Even after a low-scoring weekend, I was expecting 35-40 cr from Monday and Tuesday combined, but it turned out to be only 30 cr. So yes, expectations are re-calibrated now. Its like the predicted score keeps changing from the early overs to middle overs to the death overs in a ODI innings.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Not at all. This is beyond fans. The film itself was panned that was enough for huge number of people to avoid. Especially day 1 opening was a shocking, throw in reviews & tepid response to trailers – this was only going one way!

            Hardly any star can survive such an onslaught, including Aamir.

            A bad film or boring or both would never last long Eid or no Eid. This is social media world where so much information is available to make sound financial entertainment decisions. Thursday night middle East reports were poor.

            Dangal was completely opposite. No way the film would have opened as high as it did without the Industry & social media feelers in lead up to release.

            The Bhai fan thing is funny but quite important to address. If by in large everything you hear about a film of your favourite star is negative – do you still fork out $50 for family to watch film plus all food. I seriously doubt it.

            In the world of social media I’ll admit a lot of my movie watching decisions are made by reviews, response, box office etc. I am sure lots of people will do this. We walked out of Shaandaar 10 mins in (my wife’s choice). It’s important for me that if I’m having a date night I’ve vetted the movie enough to know we’ll like it. Probably not a purist view of creativity but reality for many people who are not Ambani or Tata rich level.

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          • For Salman’s muslim fans (his core fan-base), watching a Bhai film on Eid is like a religious act in India. Thats not the case overseas. The 30 cr odd that came in last two days, despite all the negativity on social media and the poor reviews and shocking BO reports and so on, is a testament to the fact. Yes, it came out lower than expected (lower by 25% from my expectations), but if you neglect that, then your prediction is only 100 cr on Day 1. Re-calibrate it with this extra 30 cr and you arrive at the actual figure (likely at this point).

            With v limited growth over the weekend, many thought the collections would remain stable over the Eid period. So many predicted 150 cr. Now that the collections are out, the predictions are re-calibrated to 130 cr by almost everyone. If someone could vouch for 130 cr figure on Day 1, then good for him.

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          • jayshah Says:

            It’s not a competition on who predicted best. It’s pure understanding of box office mechanism. Bhai fan – biggest on forum deserted film day 1 or day 2!

            There is no right or wrong in predictions. But certainly assumptions are up for challenge. Waiting 3 days when verdicts out was an excuse for box office sites (not you). If anything no one would predict 500 CR or China Dangal collections.

            You’re placing a huge level of faith in fanatical fans. I’m doing the opposite! They are the first to jump ship! As they are not on the ship for the right reasons in the first place!

            I get your point none of this predictions business is inherently easy with hindsight but assumptions are easy to challenge too.

            You can bet hardcore Aamir fans will not watch a truly rubbish film of his for a premium price! A fan with sanity is rational, knows the good and the bad. I’ll revisit JJWS not Mela. This is me knowing the result after seeing both films. All I’m saying people have accessible means today to make the JJWS and Mela distinction and more informed choices.

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          • I’ve said this before but I consider this whole religious coding of Salman’s reception off the mark. I think this is simply a huge myth. Eid is a holiday, Salman has attached himself to this, I’m sure many of his Muslim fans like the connection. But it’s not as if these fans wouldn’t show up if he had a Diwali or Christmas release! So SRK had the big Diwali date for the longest time, people showed up. The same for Aamir and Christmas-New Year. Now it’s certainly true that Salman himself plays into this religious coding quite actively (and problematically). The whole bad boy image and the ambiguous ‘bhai’ label (the gangster et al) allows him to remain the outsider or as I said before a kind of ‘terrorist’ in the system (blowing up Bollywood multiplex genres, saying subversive stuff on reality TV and so on). So he certainly doesn’t mind being religiously coded. Nonetheless the box office reporting on him tends to follow very easy communal lines. ‘Muslims giving bhai the big boost’ on Eid! Yeah right! All audiences are the same. They don’t waste money because it’s Eid or the actor is a Muslim or a Hindu or whatever. Similarly holidays don’t save flop films except on the margins. Salman’s presence already helped the film on day 1 and 2, otherwise the numbers might have been even worse. We’ve seen this with Christmas-New Year as well. Aamir prospers because he makes films that people love. Don2 or Dilwale didn’t prosper with the same release date! When the films weren’t right neither Diwali nor Christmas worked for SRK. We’ve just seen Salman not just fail on Eid but fail massively. These myths should be retired. But they keep coming up because we tend to believe in these things anyway. It’s just about the holidays, nothing more!

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          • Very true satyam: in sum, people / “we” project our own communal coding (Muslims vote as a bloc, perhaps they even watch films on Eid en bloc, etc.) and project it onto the other. The fact is that Salman’s communal coding is a carefully deployed strategy (it is as much for Muslims as for Hindus across the ideological spectrum, enabling Salman to preserve both the “outsider hero” tag as well as the “acceptable Muslim” tag; this bhai flies kites with Modi!), and works because of rather communal discourses that have gained ground over the last few decades — only Salman is wealthier as a result. It’s important that the rest of us resist this sort of thing (god knows there is enough polarization to go around to begin with); not to mention that it’s just lazy thinking.

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          • excellent comment…

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          • On a tangential note, and bringing this back to “aesthetics”, there’s a sense in which Salman’s entire career over the last couple of decades branches off from, is over-determined by, Sanjay Dutt’s trajectory (specifically his runs-in with the law etc.); i.e. Sallu preserves the frisson of the bad boy, but sanitized of the truly threatening elements (it shouldn’t be this way, given the drunk driving case etc., but the increased callousness towards poor people in Indian society over the last few decades means that most really don’t give a shit about pavement dwellers anyway; I have myself heard multiple well-heeled people express sympathy for Salman on the grounds that this could have happened to anyone!). Now this is an instance of the sequel being more successful than the original, and his achievement is undeniable, but in aesthetic terms he is derivative of Sanjay Dutt…

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          • Abhijeet was one of those disgusting guys (not only for this reason) who said that the people who slept on the streets should have realized it wasn’t their ‘baap ki sadak’ whereas he was the ‘responsible’ guy who in the same situation slept in trains or platforms. All this support still didn’t land him a song in a Salman film but that’s another matter.

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          • Sleeping on the street – you’ve got be cold hearted not to feel something for that person, to say that is quite pathetic. Even an affluent city like London has lots of pavement sleepers in cold, windy, muggy or hot weather (climate in London can be anything), passers by will give money, food, drink or nothing. These people don’t need pity just some kind of way of rebuilding a messed up life. But to say they should be in a safer place is pathetic. They don’t have money or hygiene to survive in such places.

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          • I heard a similar argument couple of months (It could happen to anyone). I needed to remind pavement was knee high. Kamaal Khan went missing after accident has returned to sing in Tubelight after Salman has been acquitted.

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          • Re: “For Salman’s muslim fans (his core fan-base), watching a Bhai film on Eid is like a religious act in India.”

            This is borderline offensive. Contrary to the data, plain and simple: Bajrangi would have made as much had it been released on Diwali or Christmas, it was just a darn good film; and frankly given Muslims’ percentage of the population, that’s hardly enough to account for Salman’s Eid openings (especially when you factor that Muslims in urban India tend to be poorer, and a lot of these grosses are powered by rather expensive multiplex tickets — that’s a lot of Edhi expenditure!)

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          • I’m not Muslim but I’ve watched Bhai films on first weekend – what am I?

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          • If you’re not Muslim try and avoid watching Salman’s films on Eid day. You’d be noticed.

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          • Just done it this weekend. I guess one night’s jail sentence with a fine to contribute towards me watching Tubelight on my own?

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          • the penalty seems harsh but then again it might be better than completing Sultan!

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    • Actually this isn’t bad news for SRK. He just has to be half-respectable in his next film. That too with a director where no one expects very high grosses. Obviously there’s no competition with Aamir anymore but a huge Salman stumble here is not a bad deal for SRK (since otherwise there’s no competition with Salman either). Make a movie with Imtiaz Ali, sell it at low prices, get to 150, get the hit tag.

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      • The Raees excitement would have hurt Tubelight. That excitement doesn’t exist here. Got a feeling TEPK will pull a rabbit out of the hat and be stiff competition for JHMS. Latter should easily be Imtiaz Ali’s biggest grosser. Tubelight proves things can go wrong, but SRK in a romance film is as safe as he gets.

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        • Imtiaz Ali is in the same ship as Kabir Khan. He made an excellent one with Jab We Met, but post that, every other one he’s made has been a disappointment in some way, and certainly so at the boxoffice!

          Now, the best case scenario for JHMS is if it proves to be a delightful rom-com. But going by Imtiaz’s record, right from Love Aaj Kal to Tamaasha, he’s never had a clean and unanimous critical success, leave alone a commercial one. That’s the problem here. It might be a medium-success with 5 out of 10 people liking it. Now, this kind of verdict would have been extremely poor for SRK if Tubelight had also been a blockbuster, following the mighty Dangal, and SRK’s own tepid BO performance with Raees.

          But Satyam is right. Tubelight failure takes off some of the pressure from SRK. He can get away now with a medium success.

          The film doesn’t look edgy enough to be a big hit or to flop. It probably lies in the safe zone and unless Imtiaz has gone insane and screwed it up, I see it being a comfortable hit.

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      • “Make a movie with Imtiaz Ali, sell it at low prices, get to 150, get the hit tag.”

        As I said, Akshay has been doing that for years and his movies are at superhits at 120crs. Folks even say Akshay kumar is ahead than SRK based on that.

        Ok forget 150, what if Imtiaz ali movie does 200cr? Will it change anything? What about 250cr? I can easily imagine remarks.. oh, its half of Baahubali 2 collections. So, nothing is satisfactory at this stage unless its over 400 crores. That will not come suddenly out of bad form. He needs couple of clean hits to get out and back in the grove and only then there is a possibility of a big grosser sometime in future. Srk is not even in the same realm currently.

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        • I think for SRK more than outperforming Aamir and Salman, it is a question of holding on to his position as one of the top 3. Getting a hit with JHMS does not change the equation – and Master is right that it makes no difference whether it is 100 or 150 or 200 – because the level of the game has changed.

          A hit does not make a significant difference to SRK – except in that he will retain his present ranking and add some much-needed vigour to his career.

          However, an outright flop makes a huge difference. A Fan, Raees, Dilwale and another average or flop film will certainly place him below Akshay.

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        • “Make a movie with Imtiaz Ali, sell it at low prices, get to 150, get the hit tag.”

          I think the perception of selling it low prices is silly. No one will sell the movie short(unless Roshan did with Kaabil) and Srk rarely does. He even didn’t sell Paheli or Billu short. Reading the sources, it appears 65 crores India rights is the best offer they got and knowing Imtiaz Ali’s sensibilities they don’t see a huge money spinner currently. If one is distributor they will cover the bases and assume 120-140 is safe expectation, anything beyond is bonus, so the buying reflected that. I don’t think massy distributors will jump SRK-Imtiaz combo hoping that min collection will be 200 crore to start the negotiations.

          The movie can always surprise and go near 200 or over it but it will be that – a SURPRISE!!

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          • jayshah Says:

            Unfortunately trade see’s movies through stars. They are not hammering Kabir Khan, more Salman. He’s expected to deliver 300 CR BB. SRK is in at least the 200 CR bracket. So yes it’s unfair to expect an Imtiaz Ali film to do 200 CR but trade see’s SRK. It’ll be judged on those grounds. 150 CR + expectations as it’s SRK before Imtiaz Ali.

            In the same way you should describe Dangal beyond SURPRISE. As I remember you said 150-200 CR and Lagaan 2 like moment is enough for a film like that. So at near 400 CR what is the superlative word?

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          • jayshah Says:

            Personally a lower price makes sense. Distribution companies must realise at some point the economics of earnings of theatrical revenue is not a one day thank you mam deal, it’s at least a solid 10 day earning period. SRK with Dilwale, Fan and Raees does not promise this currently. So they have the bargaining power here. So indeed SRK kind of needs a period of proving the doubters before he can command more. It’s supply and demand. Throw in Imtiaz Ali and it’s probably more risky than the usual YRF.

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          • You reply and yet there is no relation between your comment and mine. I’m talking about the distributors who are buying the film.. for them it boils down to the combination of actor with director, theme of the movie and all. If trade and everyone is expecting 200 cr min, they would have been bidding the movie and the distribution price would have been around 100 crs. If it is 65, doesn’t it show that no one is that excited for a huge gross?

            You can’t say trade expects 200 crs from JHMS and is red hot but distributors are willing to buy only at 65 crs max. Its opposite right? Tubelight was red hot and all the bidding lead the NH distributors to purchase the movie over 130 crores. I don’t see the same enthusiasm for JHMS. So, why is trade expecting 200 crore? With the distribution price, 120-140 is safe and 200 will be a surprise and bonus for distributors.

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          • “As I remember you said 150-200 CR and Lagaan 2 like moment is enough for a film like that.”

            Yes, I said Lagaan wasn’t the biggest hit of the era but it was the most critically acclaimed movie in decades. So, even if it achieves Lagaan type critical acclaim and does even 150-200 crs, it would have achieved its purpose. It went far beyond its scope in collections regards to the subject matter. Business wise, it has crossed even Lagaan but personally critically I still rate Lagaan over Dangal vastly.

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          • “Personally a lower price makes sense. ”

            Well that was my whole point of the post when someone mentioned that Srk is underselling just to get a Hit tag.

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          • jayshah Says:

            He’s being forced to as his bargaining power has been eroded.

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      • Salman to make a guest appearance in dwarf Anand Rai movie now

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  95. Thugs of Hindostan

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  96. When Salman Khan puts on his Lakshman act, you will, for every second of that performance, be reminded that this the devil-may-care Salman trying to look naïve, lost and pastoral.

    It’s not that Salman doesn’t try, but when the actor sits with a pack of sheep trying to suggest loneliness, your heart actually beats for the sheep.

    And for all the tomfoolery and clowning around, this feels like a truly stressed out performance; he doesn’t seem to be having fun here.

    There’s a passing scene where Lakshman gets a glimpse of wartime horrors.

    He is devastated.

    He feels it in his stomach, the horrors, and tries to throw up. But then, he only manages to work up a spit.

    In a weird way, that scene becomes a perfect summation for what the performance aspires for, and what it finally delivers.

    http://www.rediff.com/movies/report/tubelight-review-salman-doesnt-seem-to-be-having-fun/20170623.htm

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  98. P.K Talli Says:

    Why there is no Enhanced Ticket Rate rates in the bracket for Tubelight when BOI already said it had the highest ATP http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=3034

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  99. Shastri to apply for India coaching job

    Ravi Shastri, the former India allrounder and team director, will apply for the role of the India’s head coach, according to the New Indian Express.

    “Yes, I have decided to apply for the job,” Shastri told the newspaper from London, while denying reports that he would apply for the role only if he was assured of getting it. For the rest follow the link:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1106904.html

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    • He’s confirmed.. they extended the date for him to apply. All this is game in the media… Kohli-Shastri will be the combo for WC19.

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      • jayshah Says:

        Pressure now to at least make semi final. Kohli seems to have his wish.

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        • But the whole scripting & screenplay has been performed to a T to oust Kumble in the worst possible manner by the cabal of BCCI, Kohli, Shastri & some other members to make it look like a clash between the captain & the coach in which coach had to be sacrificed for the captain & team’s good as the coach was too righteous & old style for the players & raising uneasy questions against wanton & greedy board members making their positions “untenable” ensuing in this grand drama ending in achieving its goal what it set out to!! Great “execution” by the clique to get rid of an outsider!!

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          • Indian Team and BCCI is so arrogant no self respecting good coach would apply for job.
            Since Shastri is back, Coach and players saath saath party karenge. 🙂

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  100. Finally……………….

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    • I just hope proper care is taken for Big B, its too much of work to shoot an action movie at his age at other side of the globe and far away from everything.

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  102. Regarding the low distribution cost of JHMS at 65 cr, i think too much is being made out of it. If the film makes 130 cr total, it wudnt be a well trended movie and will have a perception of an average grosser even though distributors will recover their costs. It will just be like another Talaash at BO.

    What SRK needs at this point is a movie with positive WOM, which if he gets with JHMS, then the movie will surely do much more than 130 cr (Raees range). After all its SRK in his strength genre of romcoms.

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    • The Talaash analogy is actually a poor one, since romcom is a much more audience-friendly genre than a supernatural suspense drama. Talaash more than doubled its weekend collection of 40 cr to end at 90 cr. An acceptable yardstick for JHMS will be at least tripling its weekend collection. But for that it will need good audience acceptance as it will face competition from TEPK from its second week.

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    • I think the distribution costs of JHMS and 2.0 gives us ample pointers to what the star status of SRK and Akshay are at this point within the industry. Its a progressive curve for Akshay. He has been doing small scale films and selling them at low costs to get a string of hits with 100-125 cr grossers. But now he is doing a sci-fi action extravaganza which is fetching Hindi DC of 80 cr. Whereas SRK, after a string of low grossers (Dilwale, Fan, Dear Zindagi, Raees) has his film in strength genre to be sold at only 65 cr.

      The industry and the trade are expecting greater dividends from Akshay than SRK. Any star ranking should take this into consideration. And if TEPK grosses more than JHMS, it will be the final nail in the coffin for this debate.

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      • jayshah Says:

        Personally think 2.0 is a gamble. Akshay Kumar in this kind of role is vastly different to Airlift, Baby, Rustom etc that national hero type.

        Films probably well over budget and Bahubali 2 has upped the ante on this film more than any other. It’ll be the official film to pit South and North post Bahubali 2, so it’s got huge pressure – unfairly. Film has an air of boom or bust. The focus on Rajni as hero is what Tamil Nadu will love but Akshay’s villain role is against the grain for Hindi cinema but it might be a welcome change too! Bahubali 2 did nearly 5 times business of Bahubali 1. 2.0 will need 100 CR + to match this. Akshays range is not that much more. It all adds up to not much more than 150 CR + in Hindi.

        The film carries way more risk than anything out there. The flop that is Tubelight could easily be dwarfed by 2.0 if it misfires at All India level. JHMS ‘should’ be safe as hills.

        Anyway Akshay be applauded for what he’s doing. This is his biggest risk yet – a monster here and legitimately if his role has a lot to do with it he’s in the big league. Legitimately this is a film if things go right a 300 CR is possible. Bahubali 2 has opened the door now, will 2.0 run through it?

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        • Yes, 2.0 is a gamble due to its high stake. Its the costliest production out there with reportedly 400-450 cr budget. Shankar is a thorough entertainer, but his films have never really set the hindi belt on fire. But I think the sequel factor may act in favor of it (everyone I know has seen Robo in TV). And Akshay can draw his usual 100-125 cr, if he indeed is playing an important role beside Rajni in this film.

          80 cr distribution price implies the distributors are expecting around 150 cr from this one in Hindi, which a reasonable forecast. I think even TEPK can get to 150 cr, going by the promos.

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  103. The expected fall has started. Tuesday is 12 cr per BOI. Thats roughly 95 cr over the first 5 days (I was expecting 100 cr or so). From today collections are likely to be in single digits. First week will be around 105-110 cr. May add another 15-20 cr from there to end up around 125-130 cr mark IMO.

    http://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=3035

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    • jayshah Says:

      Why is Raees being mentioned? Anyway it’s going nowhere and is being replaced by Bahubali 2 as we speak probably! Film must be amongst biggest loss makers ever.

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      • Looks like cat and mouse game have started between Raees and Tubelight for highest grosser from bollywood will start (BOI smartly avoiding Baahubali 2 for not embarassing Salman/Srk)
        Tubelight could finish around 135crrs at this rate. Who would have thought a week back that it will struggle to match against Raees

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  104. aamirsaurabh Says:

    https://www.bollyarena.net/tubelight-box-office-verdict-hit-or-flop/

    TL flop in India,disaster in Overseas.This is not fake but real.I m saying this especially for 1 member.Infact i see it as a huge disaster in India as well.It was bought for 138cr,needed 270-275cr for recovery but it wld loose 65-70cr in India.OS it wld do 8M$ max.

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    • It needed 170 to 180 crs for recovery based on the 138 crs Distributor cost. 250 crs was needed for Hit to Superhit status not recovery…It will still end up in disaster zone if it does less than 130 crs though…

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      • Distributor share is around 50-55% of the nett. No way TL would have reached recovery at 170-180 cr. It needs roughly 250 cr for break even or plus status. If its a plus film then the usual perception is that its a BO Hit film.

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        • aamirsaurabh Says:

          Needed 270cr nett for recovery.A lot of distributers have lost their LT savings.Laashe bich gayi hai as per few Trade analysts.It’s an epic disaster probably among top 3 in terms of money lost.In terms of money lost probably even bigger than Rangoon.

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        • Yeah i got my calculations wrong…

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  105. aamirsaurabh Says:

    http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/tubelight-flops-domestic-box-office/

    ‘Tubelight’ has flopped at the domestic box office and Salman Khan has failed for the first time this decade during Eid. The film failed to show the kind of growth that it needed on the big holiday for Eid. It has collected Rs 83 crore in 4 days at the box office, with the lowest collections coming on the Eid holiday.

    The circuits and centres that were affected by Razman showed good growth on Monday, but business witnessed major falls at places where the impact of Eid was limited over the weekend. The film could collect around 110-115 crore by the end of its first week and the second weekend will decide whether the film can go on to become the highest Hindi grosser of the year.

    The struggle for a film like ‘Tubelight’ during Eid to easily beat a 132-crore grosser like ‘Raees’ has sent shock-waves within the industry. It also shows the extremely unpredictable side of film business, as most in the trade were expecting it to comfortably cross the 100 crore mark by the end of the Eid holiday on Monday.

    Meanwhile, Salman’s golden run during Eid has finally come to an end after 6 consecutive box office blockbusters. Between 2010 to 2016, the megastar had 6 Eid releases – Dabangg, Bodyguard, Ek Tha Tiger, Kick, Bajrangi Bhaijaan, Sultan – and almost all of them went on to be record-openers and major box office grossers.

    His latest release, directed by the same man (Kabir Khan) who gave him his biggest grosser and arguably his career-best film (Bajrangi Bhaijaan), is also likely to give him his biggest failure since ‘Veer’ in January 2010.

    The consistency that Salman has shown over the years – making even the most mediocre and critically rejected films, into major commercial successes at the box office – by his sheer presence and stardom, is incredible to say the least.

    Questions over his stardom are now being raised by the very people who hailed him as the top star not too long ago – which also goes to show that the only thing that matters for the film industry and trade is the last Friday – even if it is for a star who carried two out of his last three films over the 300 crore mark.

    The official collections of the film are as follows:

    Tubelight Collections Growth / Drop
    Day 1 (Friday) 21.15 crore –
    Day 2 (Saturday) 21.17 crore – 1%
    Day 3 (Sunday) 22.45 crore + 6%
    Day 4 (Monday) 19.09 crore – 15%
    India Total Collections 83.86 crore

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    • jayshah Says:

      Why Raees? Sorry for sarcasm but seems every outlet is comparing Tubelight to Raees yet school teacher told me off yesterday?

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      • Maybe because that’s the biggest grosser from Hindi till now….B2 they are putting in dubbed category i guess…

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    • Its not just Raees, I am told not to post anything negative on SRK or his films. Else there will be trouble …

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    • jayshah Says:

      Bang bang article. New standard, new world order after Bahubali 2 in India, Dangal WW. Every star now has a new target at least (times 2) except AK and Rajamoulli. Media runs the show. Will take some years to wrap their brains round this or some less.

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    • “Sitting in a single-screen theatre, the air was filled with shrill, thrilled whistles as soon as the censor certificate hit the screen. The first glimpse of Khan – via braceleted wrist – had the crowd in paroxysms. Imagine a movie theatre full of 14-year-old girls getting their first glimpse of Michael Jackson (Or McCartney. Or Bieber. Pick a generation) except with grown men shrieking instead of preteen girls. (During the climactic fight sequence, these men raucously yell “kapda utaar”, breathlessly exhorting their bhai to peel off his shirt and make their day. It’s more blatantly than any of our leading ladies get objectified, that’s for sure.)”

      Hahaha

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      • https://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/2017/06/25/tubelight-a-lethargic-drama-where-the-director-seems-as-miscast-as-the-hero/

        Rangans Tubelight review is bloody funny. If anyone has 10 minutes, pop into a toilet and read it. References to Hindu mythology, black buck, sex, Sri Lanka, Lage Raho Salman Bhai. The responses to review are just as good.

        ‘Did his success in the recent court cases made him feel invincible or his attempt at beating Aamir at his turf gone terribly wrong

        This is really like Stallone playing Forrest gump’

        His review deserves a post – it’ll get more hits than occupancy in screens.

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        • yes read it a few days ago.. it’s super!

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          • Only Rangan can trash a film so professionally! The first paragraph is LOL. I’d gone off his reviews until I just realized his best writing is for complete rubbish.
            For anyone not bothered first paragraph;

            You heard it here first: In a forthcoming film, Salman Khan will play Sita. In Prem Ratan Dhan Payo, the character he played hailed from Ayodhya. In Bajrangi Bhaijaan, he played a Hanuman devotee. Now, in Kabir Khan’s Tubelight – an adaptation of the American drama Little Boy, transposed to Kumaon during the 1962 Indo-China war – Salman plays a character named Laxman. Where else will the star go after exhausting all the male characters in the great Hindu epic? (Tangential thought: What explains the attraction? Is the golden deer really a black buck?)

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          • yes absolutely.. I’m always glad when terrible films are bad so that Rangan can review them!

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          • If this is true, Salman is on the road to self destruction. Mimicking Aamir is not a solution. He should just stick to Dabanng 3/4/5, Tiger 2/3/4 and Kick 2/3/4. We know he can’t act. There is no golden rule in arts or sports to be technically the best to be the most popular. If Salman’s punching anything it should be Kabir, Sohail etc and he should bring back Reshma as his advisor, befriend Aamir. Suck it up, the chest too.

            Make Partner 2, Partner was a hoot – mostly Govinda though!

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        • The Raabta review is an absolute hoot…

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          • I’m reading it; lollipops, hygiene, gay pixie, condom, sweet balls of love. My god. Rangan is like a freaking porn movie writer. He’s too funny. Boy if I had personal Vendettas I’d pay him to write my letters and give the gun to the recipient who will shoot themselves.

            Seriously this is the only justification to make rubbish films, to read Rangans reviews! His interview with Ramya Krishnan that I posted gives no hint of this humour. Obviously read him before but really forgotten how funny his writing is.

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          • Oh there are lot of Tamil movies which brings the best out of him…Its just delightful humor…

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    • “Imagine a movie theatre full of 14-year-old girls ……… except with grown men shrieking instead of preteen girls………… these men raucously yell “kapda utaar”, breathlessly ”

      Never understood this homo-inclined behavior of some Indian men towards filmstars with robust physiques.

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  106. jayshah Says:

    NDTV : Dangal Wins China: Why Aamir Is Truly The Alpha Khan Of Bollywood
    http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/dangal-wins-china-why-aamir-is-truly-the-alpha-khan-of-bollywood-1717537

    Dailymail : Bollywood’s ‘Dangal’ sets new benchmarks for success abroad
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-4646586/Bollywoods-Dangal-sets-new-benchmarks-success-abroad.html

    Forbes : Bollywood Star Aamir Khan’s Dangal Is Highest Grossing Indian Movie – Spurred By China Collection
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/anuraghunathan/2017/06/27/bollywood-star-aamir-khans-dangal-is-highest-grossing-indian-movie-spurred-by-china-collection/#94dd1d018802

    ‘Khan typically doesn’t take an upfront fee. He likens himself to a street performer who first performs before an audience and then passes a hat for donations.’ LOL

    India express : Dangal creates Rs 2000 crore club, Aamir Khan film competes with Hollywood hits in China. Here are all records Dangal has shattered
    http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/aamir-khan-dangal-creates-rs-2000-crore-club-box-office-collection-4723814/

    Weekday trends for 7th week : Wednesday > Tuesday > Monday for collections. It’s basically gaining back screen share lost to new releases, screen share up every day since Friday. Dangal’s final push in China – it’s roaring back. The Indian tail is wagging 😀 unlike against Pakistan.

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  107. It’s also time to get rid of another people (not that I’m holding my breath for this to happen..). A lot of times when films flop people use the competition thing as an excuse. So Dilwale was 140 or whatever buy without competition it might have done a lot more. This is certainly possibly inasmuch as competition is always a factor. I agree. On the other hand it’s equally possible that Dilwale was rejected as much as Tubelight! And that it wouldn’t have made much more even without competition. Or looking at it from the other side maybe Tubelight did get a worse reception than Dilwale and would have done even worse than that film with competition. My point simply is that while competition is always a factor this cannot simply be assumed each time just because one wants to offer an excuse. Sure it makes a difference in the first day or two probably but once the WOM truly kicks in it’s not competition that pulls down a film (BMCM had a bigger week 1 than KKHH but ultimately the latter was a much bigger grosser). Again competition is a factor (some of us have talked about it for years). It’s just not an excuse!

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    • Plus competition = publicity = potentially more interest. I kind of understand the lack of screens argument as China shows mechanically how figures can change day to day but that is not competition. And that only holds for much liked films.

      Dilwale was atrocious anyway. It made BM look like LOTR. It was an obvious choice.

      If competition was such a big deal, do what JHMS did, move forward a week. Or do what Raees did and compete and make up excuses.

      Maybe these actors are smart enough to know they’ve made a duff film so they intentionally release against competition to have a fallback excuse.

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  108. Re.- The fact is that Salman’s communal coding is a carefully deployed strategy (it is as much for Muslims as for Hindus across the ideological spectrum, enabling Salman to preserve both the “outsider hero” tag as well as the “acceptable Muslim” tag; this bhai flies kites with Modi!), and works because of rather communal discourses that have gained ground over the last few decades

    LMAO !!!!
    NDTV,Troll. Wire ,NaxalLaundry and Huffpost are the best coders …lage raho !!!!

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      • This is a complete misreading of the film (not that I expect better from those sorts!). The key moment in this sense is the title credits one where the ‘mother’ (Mother India?!) is being simultaneously given blood by all three sons. In other words what would Desai’s response be to the Hindutva mindset? That even if the sons were born Hindu it doesn’t matter. Because the nation is just richer with minorities (an idea that Hindutva minorities appreciate a great deal when they’re living in the US or UK and when they’re suddenly all against Trump or Farage or whoever!). So Desai recodes the Hindu family of his film. Now it will forever be marked by the Muslim and Christian presence. This is not just idealism or a hopeful vision. It is in fact pragmatism. Whether one likes history or not it cannot be erased. When people try to do this the result is great violence (from holocausts to lynchings). However that history is still not erased. But Desai also knew things that people have either conveniently forgotten or choose to ignore. That the ‘Hindu’ is exactly like the Muslim or the Christian in being an outsider to India (which is why the word ‘diku’ or outsider/foreigner/exploiter is the word tribals had originally for Hindus and then extended to the Muslims and British as well, among others). This is simply true historically. Linguistic and other evidence long ago confirmed this. A comprehensive DNA study just the other day did as well. Not to mention other kinds of evidence gained from other sciences.

        To restate all of this concisely it is actually not the case that you keep going back in time and everyone is a Hindu (the very word is a British invention!). It’s exactly the opposite. This is what AAA is celebrating. Not just contemporary Indian diversity but also ancient Indian diversity. By the way even in the fictional ancient past of Baahubali 2 there are brief scenes early on with minorities. And while I have some issues with the coding of the film neither father nor son could be imagined as disagreeing with Desai on this score! And doesn’t the ethical gesture of the father in the second part makes this clear? He’d rather give up his kingdom and his mother than break an ethical obligation to the woman he loves. This is the classic masala gesture! But it’s also the iconic moment of the Mahabharata. Krishna’s injunction to Arjuna to follow the ethical obligation rather than think about blood relationships and so on. Or in the masala spin (in Yash Chopra’s otherwise horrible Trishul remake there is this one good line — meri maa ne mera naam Arjun rakha taki jab main ranbhoomi main utroon to bhool jaoon ki kaun apna hai aur kaun paraya). Krishna too would understand Desai perfectly! Certainly Desai knew this stuff. And only the most pathetic readers of the Gita (of which there are many today) are oblivious to the ethical code of the work.

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        • Perhaps, Satyam, one might re-phrase this to say that Desai’s God is the Lord of Circumstance, of contingency; and is wholly other and irreducible to the prosaic, and rather un-Indian, deities of this or that -ism.

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        • Satyam: what a fantastic end to your comment, powerfully threading the Gita and masala cinema together, and by means of Yash Chopra’s Vijay (!) no less (gods, what was he thinking? Perhaps he wasn’t thinking after Sonam’s indecent beach run!)… a great coda to this tradition is offered by Dev, of course, and Bachchan’s last few lines in the film, as powerful and poignant a summary of dharma as I can think of (you speak of the many misreaders of the Gita who abound today; Nihalani knew that too, hence the only end for those who would follow dharma is in fact death; the Gita’s ethics simply cannot exist within the frame Dev finds himself in, so he must die. That his name means “god” should give everyone pause.)

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    • My favorite scene from Trishul !!
      Lagta hai mainey aapkee kisi dukhtee rag par haath rakh diya hai Mr. R.K. Gupta…..
      Mujhey Sahee waqt ka Intezaar rahega , Mr. R.K. Gupta ….
      # Yeh Hai Geeta ka Gyaan !!!

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      • yes but note what happens even there.. he doesn’t really destroy the father. He makes his point and returns everything.

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  109. There seems to no post for Indu Sarkar ? anyways-

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  110. aamirsaurabh Says:

    https://www.bollyarena.net/highest-overseas-grossers-of-2017-raees-tops-tubelight-at-5th/

    OS 7M$ bhi nahi hoga.3.7M$ after 5 days,weekend 3.2M$ tha meaning 0.5M in last 2 days,Dangal has done 0.58M$ in last 2 days(54th and 55th day of china rls).EPIC DISASTER in OS.Even the worst predictions wld have been much much better before release.

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    • jayshah Says:

      Dumb for anyone to think UK collections would boost up post Eid. There is no official holiday for Eid in UK. My local has 10 shows for Tubelight and only had 4 for Bahubali 2 in week 1. So UK exhibitors are stupid as well. The audience’s have never had a huge Salman craze. Only SRK. Tubelight – not a single person I have met is interested in the film and this pre Eid, post Eid etc write ups are just not seeing the point – rejection is not retrievable even with freebies or reduced ticket prices. The horse has bolted already.

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  111. WTF happened to Barkha Dutt !!!

    https://www.pgurus.com/why-barkha-dutt-is-so-angry/

    In recent days I have watched the self righteous outbursts of some I have known professionally and worked with in the media for many years with part amusement, but mostly utter shock- can these people really NOT see through their own humbug and hypocrisy; can they not recall their past actions and statements; can those who didn’t have ONE good word to say about the other till one month ago now pretend to be bonded by ‘friendship’ and ‘principle’?!! I recall conversations with some of these people and how they would run down and bitch out the same folk they are now holding up as exemplary. I also recall moments where principles were actually involved and all these self righteous warriors were more than supplicant, because it was the ‘practical’ thing to do or because they didnt dare to speak up against their newsroom bosses or authority figures!!

    I have personally fought against the axing of interviews & stories ( and been ‘punished’ for it by these same people ) and can testify that not ONE of those today proclaiming to stand for anti-establishment free press even OPENED THEIR MOUTHS! It’s really amusing to see the complete lack of self awareness in these people. The one thing I can’t stand in people in fakeness. Done with frauds and their cherry picked ‘positions’. Done with socially pretending to be friendly with those who don’t add value and meaning to my life and those whom I see as hypocrites. New beginnings today, and my friends, you know who you are.

    Love to you for staying real in the city of djinns and shadows and so much bark without bite . Actually I can deal with bigots much better than fake liberals. With the former you know what you have and what your battle needs to be. As for the latter, they are just so busy feeling superior in their echo chambers, no matter if each one of them would compromise ( and has) if that were the ‘practical’ thing to do or if it “paid their bills” ( and I know for a fact that such compromise attempts have been on for many years and still are, while overtly the preaching and hectoring carries on publicly!) ! These fake liberals of our media world – and their disingenuous anger is like the secularism of the Congress- bent and abandoned when needed, clutched on to when convenient- I am so done with these frauds and their fulminations. They are welcome to stew in their own humbug! Whatever this noise is – its not about Free Press principles. I wish it were, but it so totally aint.

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    • I don’t see such a post on Barkha’s timeline on Facebook?

      ps – I searched facebook..earliest I see is some 18 hours by someone and it has been shared by 6-7 folks…Seems like work of people on right wing.

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      • Re.-Seems like work of people on right wing
        Sab Dosh- Nand Ghosh !!!..LOL
        Aside- Agree, I checked as well, did not find anything similar on her FB…sorry , I guess I had my Troll.com moment. Or maybe the coders forced her to delete her post, just as they forced Shivam to delete his tweet regarding the flop show !!

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  112. Jay, this is from “balanced” Indicine:

    Q. Don’t you agree now that SRK is simply biggest when it comes to crowd-pulling?

    A. One of the biggest, certainly. Is he the biggest currently? That’s debatable, because FAN released on a partial holiday and did 19 crore. Actual value reducing the holiday advantage would be 15 crore. All these are only perceptions. After averting the Sultan clash last year, Salman appeared invincible and much bigger. One below-par opening and the other two (Aamir and SRK) look bigger. If Jab Harry Met Sejal doesn’t get a huge initial, again questions will be raised.

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    • jayshah Says:

      It’s way more than you’d get from a q&a from BOI

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      • Indicine went with Roshan number for Kaabil and called them legit and went past Raees number which no other site has done. For Kaabil, BH has 103 crs, BOI has 84 crs whereas Indicine has 126 or more.

        Enough said!!

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      • BOI are on another stratosphere but Indicine is following suit with their “twisted & prejudiced” answers & lame alibis, although BOI could learn a lot from Indicine in terms of proofreading!!

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        • jayshah Says:

          It’s disingenuous to take a comment like Indicine is better and pull out every Q&A and expect a defense. It’s like me probing you about every aspect of a film you like, picking the bits that are odd or peculiar and you to defend. Such utopia doesn’t exist. This is not parliament where every manifesto target must be met. The main thing is the general positioning of the debate. Specifics are numbers or quantities. Debates are surely directional or subjective where some allowance is required.

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    • jayshah Says:

      I’ll get to each response in one big one. A preference is not not an infinite result or endorsement. It’s like one saying Lagaan is preferred to Dangal. Not every minute or moment can be disected to arrive here. It’s an overall or general assessment.

      1) SRK and Salman have bigger stardom than Aamir in their strength genres. As an overall box office star Aamir challenges this as he is far more trusted in films like RDB, TZP or Dangal. So overall he’s positioned higher. Also in big films when he brings his A game he is bigger (Ghajini vs. RNBDJ just weeks apart, Aamir simply brushed aside the record set).
      2) They may have bias to SRK but it nowhere to level of BOI. The summation of Aamir’s results are too big to consider him less than SRK or Salman. And yes SRK is ahead of Akshay. The latters strongest gross is not close to SRK or SRK’s potential. That can change.
      3) Master – every site (Indicine, addatoday, Bollywood arena) adjusted Kaabil figures up. You left the forum. It was clear from their sources Kaabil was higher than BOI but lower than producer. Go back and check if you want. The BOI figure is redundant for Kaabil. I have Krish figures from 2006 where they’ve underreported. Munna posted centre figures for Kaabil where there was teeth in BOI underreporting. You won’t believe or check, that’s your decision. You will always believe SRK over anything else.
      4) Last q from Indicine I don’t disagree or agree it is very dependant on film. As I said RNBDJ SRK’s strength was destroyed by an Aamir marketed Ghajini. The marketing itself was unique.

      IMHO I debate box office results different to stardom. The latter is the concerts, waving fans, media glitz plus box office – everything about being popular like pop culture. SRK and Salman play this space well. But at the ticket window what matters most is whose film do you expect to deliver and which star do you trust. Aamir is so far ahead on this score. Stick either 3 in Krish and Hrithik is bigger. Stick all 3 in RNBDJ SRK is bigger. Stick all 3 in 3 Idiots Aamir is bigger. Talaash, MP, RDB, Ghajini, Dangal – he’ll kick all their butts. He’s got way too much goodwill. Even Bajrangi Bhaijaan is an Aamir kind of film. He’d have beaten PK with it.

      A big gross is not just about star, it’s got so many other factors. Some favour Salman, some SRK, some Hrithik but overall Aamir ticks way too many boxes.

      My cricket analogy would be Aamir = Dravid. SRK = Ganguly. Salman = Yuvraj. Dravid had ability to play tests and ODI. Either format he was dependable, a huge wicket, the rock, technically sound etc. Ganguly kind of just an offside batsman, good or great when he gets going but always (Dravid became superior to Ganguly later in career like Aamir to SRK) in the shadow of Dravid. Yuvraj a big hitter but no real technique (hits 6’s but can be out anytime – kind of a luxury). I chose no Tendulkar because we know who that is – Satyam best placed to explain it. He’ll probably say Rajesh Khanna is Ganguly, Dilip Kumar is Dravid and Rajendra Kumar is Yuvraj and these 3 Khan’s are like Waterboys.

      Either way I’ve acknowledged past of Indicine is quite SRK focused. Plus I am not holding the ‘I love Indicine card’. Anyone who follows my comments on box office will know I have the trust no one policy and make your call across multiple sources (including BOI). BOI won’t be wrong always but if you can’t see such obvious bias I won’t help you. Plus I’m not a shareholder of Indicine for you to believe in the site. Nor am I defending every response of theirs – utopia like this NEVER exists. It’s just a general preference.

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      • “Master – every site (Indicine, addatoday, Bollywood arena) adjusted Kaabil figures up”

        Indicine still has 126 crores. They never adjusted. Every other source just let it cross over 100 crores as that posters have been out a long while. I doubt Kaabil crossed 100 crores.

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        • jayshah Says:

          Look neither of us can prove it. The only defense I have is I use to work with Taran’s numbers and have plenty of history monitoring a variety of sources and other people have done similar to arrive to Kaabil underreported at BOI (other people on Facebook groups with raw film information centre numbers). That Indicine went for producer total is there call – they’ve gone against there own analysis so they are wrong. And frankly whatever way I position this with you – you’ll only go RCE way anyway.

          Do your own research. That is what they say on trading sites.

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          • P.K Talli Says:

            Since we are talking about indicine how could i forget this tweet http://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1JPd7QWIAAeICD.jpg they had similar views about Dangal too they gave it a good review but didn’t think it would go on to break any records also check their reviews of Srk all the underperformers last few years .

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          • jayshah Says:

            Stuff like this is obviously stupid. Again I wholeheartedly disagree. And I beg of you that pulling out every tweet or Q&A is an insecure way to debate this. I’ve ratified my star ratings for years. NGers will know my position. As far back as 2006 when Aamir delivered RDB and Fanaa after opening records that backed up MP record opening I opened the debate with many. That with 3 different films he is #1 star even if Hrithik had Krish and D2 in same years. Since then NOTHING has dispelled that. Ghajini was marketing genius, 3 Idiots arguably the most entertaining film of 00’s decade, D3 blockbuster opening on non holiday Fri, PK record grosser, Dangal record grosset + China rising. Salman’s feats are astonishing but he never delivered an outright top grosser.

            Any graph of screens vs. grosses will show ONLY Aamir has maximised the Hindi market from Bollywood films. It’s more or less a straight line. The others just big openers and fizzlers. CE and BB the only outliers. Bahubali 2 proves the underperformance of Bollywood overall but no one can tag that to Aamir as he’s top dog. If there is any flag bearer of Hindi cinema in this millennium it is him. The combination of quality and quantum no one is reaching. This to me is undisputable.

            SRK since CDI chose the bandwagon path. Farah, Karan, Aditya, Rohit – he missed the boat on Hirani. He won’t regain an eroded career unless a big change happens.

            Salman has never been aligned to quality so in his world he’s done remarkable things to turn around a meandering career. Tubelight is a big glitch, how big I don’t know.

            I’ve always had Aamir #1 through since 2008 as Ghajini validated the 2006 prophecy i.e. Ghajini had to happen to prove my gut theory (many others too), without it, it was only that, a prophecy.

            Master’s prophecy is still to be proved so let’s see. I fully believe SRK in the right film can deliver BUT 1) Age is not on his side 2) He has hardly proved to be a sharp tool in picking scripts, how that suddenly changes I don’t know. Maybe he beds with Aamir instead of Salman and Aamir throws him a free one like Bajrangi Bhaijaan, that he did with Salman.

            Ultimately I place my bet on the one showing best judgement, only Aamir gets there. In magnitude he is well ahead. In magnetic screen presence the other 2 are ahead. But as a purchaser of cinema tickets I want just a good film. I’m no man shouting kapda gado or an aunty sobbing when SRK dies, Aamir’s filmography is too strong – bottom line.

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          • P.K Talli Says:

            Agreed with everything you said and i was there on NG back then when you and Satyam used to argue about Aamir being a top star obviously it wasn’t as easy 10 -12 years ago as it now lol quiet a lot has been changed since then . My point was more about the trade not giving Aamir his due even after been literally flawless last 12 years or so .

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          • Master – If you haven’t seen this you will definitely love it.

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    • Hawa Hawa

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  113. Sample another contradiction:

    “Q. SRK or Akshay? Who is doing better 2007-2017?

    A. There’s no comparison. SRK has always worked at a much higher level, both in terms of opening and lifetime collections. His failures collect more than Akshay’s biggest grossers. Having said that, Akshay does smaller films, shoots them in record time and in recent times his films have been more profitable for all involved too. He is the backbone for exhibitors, if he can give four 100 crore grossers every year – there’s nothing like it. SRK films should ideally be collecting upwards of 200 crore every time, given the starts that he gets, but his last 3-4 films have fallen well short.”
    Look at their brazen attempts to “deify & exalt” Shahrukh through such answers; if you still believe in on their impartiality bit, nothing more to add to persuade you from your “deeply entrenched belief in Indicine”!!

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    • Last attempt from my side; albeit i know the result still 😉

      Q. So SRK in a clash managed to do 20.42 crs & Salman in a solo + Eid Release just manages to cross 20 crs.. Even Fan did approx 19 crs which a niche film.. So isn’t SRK the biggest crowd puller as far as opening is concerned?

      A. Comparing Raees directly to Tubelight isn’t a fair comparison, because Raees had some of the best trailer and promos for any film in recent times. Tubelight trailer was rejected. Also FAN did 19 crore on a partial holiday. End of it all, there’s no point comparing the two or three (Aamir included). They are all huge in their own way. Depending on film, all are capable of bumper opening. SRK and Salman are sheer fan-following and craze, Aamir’s stardom is different but he brings in bigger audience for his films. Let’s hope all three do well and take the industry forward in tough ‘Post-Bahubali’ times.
      http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/askindicine-qna-4pm-8/

      All “Khans” are same is what my limited comprehension skills can infer from their answers!!

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    • Coolguy Says:

      The problem is SRK, his fans and most of media can’t digest the fact that he is past it or others have gone way ahead of him. He can’t deliver upwards of 200 cr, one off maybe, but definitely not on consistent basis. SRK needs to lower his game, get a few 100-150 successful grossers and see how things go from there. Basically stop chasing BO or prestige. Go back to basics. Get some respectability and hopefully some good movie should come along and he can then prove himself. If not at least he will stop the comparison with Aamir and Salman and live peacefully doing some good work. But is he interested in doing good work?? I loved him in Dear Zindagi, though I hoped he just stayed the doctor who helped out Alia with no romantic angle. As the doctor part, he was great. But please, move on with time. No more romantic cliches.

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      • Maybe if you read the question clearly or even the answer you would not be so much deluded. The question was about OPENING.

        Clearly Aamir and Salman are giving bigger grossers and consistent hits but the question was the opening of movies. If you still think Srk can’t create opening day record, you must be deluded. The openings have been always strong. It doesn’t matter if it crossed lifetime records or not. If Raees was solo release, it would have created 1st day record especially if around festive time. You must be deluded to not to trust that. In that aspect 3 Khans are cut above the rest. I don’t think Akshay or Ajay will break 40 cr barrier even on solo release now.

        The last solo from SRK was HNY and before that CE. Both did open greatly and even closer, if not the 1st day records.

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      • “The problem is SRK, his fans and most of media can’t digest the fact that he is past it or others have gone way ahead of him”

        Yeah whole world is wrong.. how about a chance that he still has some stardom retained in him inspite couple of years not doing well? I believe this probability more than your assumption.

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        • jayshah Says:

          Agree with your sentiments except it’s not a couple of years. CE feels like flash in the pan, remove that he hasn’t been outgrossing Salman or Aamir since 2007! He is a distant third. Yes a big one can come at any point from anywhere eg Bahubali 2, but SRK in all his films since OSO is living off one decently critical reviewed film + good trender to pull your debate through. Meanwhile Salman is out opening everyone in week 1 and Aamir outgrossing everything in sight by huge distances.

          It’s time to execute at some point.

          You’re placing SRK up there purely on past feats. Nothing else.

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          • “Meanwhile Salman is out opening everyone in week 1”

            We’re talking about opening here.. not outgrossing lifetime right? Salman has solo festive releases and Srk’s last 2 were CE and HNY. Other’s didn’t even get a solo release baring a FAN.

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          • jayshah Says:

            Opening depends on star signature and film. SRK can open yes but beyond that he is hardly doing as well as either. What use is an opening if the film is not good? I’d rather have Dangal / PK opening and film and outgrossing over opening of Raees / Ra. 1 / CE / Dilwale.

            It’s like I Phone going out with a big new phone, everything sounds great but the phone doesn’t work! For a connoisseur of cinema like you who watches most film’s what do you prefer?

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          • K3G, KANK, VZ, OSO, HSSH, KKHH, Paheli all were solos & Lagaan, 3 Idiots, RDB, DCH, Dangal all were multi starrers!!

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          • jayshah Says:

            Again on NG I wrote or shall I say many wrote how Aamir’s not really gone with multistarrrers like SRK. He’s only going now, like D3 and Thugs. He’s waited some 20 years for his BIG B moment while others cashed in within 5. Next year Diwali we’ll see stardom combined like never before. No Aishwariya, no Deepika, no Katrina, no Kajol, no Kareena etc were touched before SRK or Salman (latter no Deepika). So in this case Aamir’s hardly bolstered his films with huge co-stars. You don’t need to.

            What exactly as Aamir fans do PK talli and Myselfaamir want? Personally more media coverage before maybe but now Aamir gets it from BBC, FORBES, IE, NDTV, DAILYMAIL etc, likes of Indian box office sites are hardly worth it. They give as much but I’d prefer his film’s to do the talking as they pretty much do.

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          • jayshah Says:

            If you’re after my blood I’ll donate it 😀😀😀

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          • “I’d rather have Dangal / PK opening and film and outgrossing over opening of Raees / Ra. 1 / CE / Dilwale.”

            Good to know but it doesn’t matter what you prefer right? Now you have nothing to to discuss over opening, just bring the lifetime as usual. As far Srk unsafe films not doing well, well that has been the case for last 25 years.. its not a new thing happening from last year or so.

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        • coolguy Says:

          You are right. I don’t trust that and I would prefer to stay deluded if that’s what you think.
          I still stick to my words, if SRK doesn’t lower his game and focus on doing some good films and good performances and stop chasing BO/prestige, he will keep gambling and maybe he will get lucky once in a while but won’t deliver consistently. Infact that is what has been happening to him since past whole decade since Ghajini changed the game.

          Better to find a long term solution than just gambling away his own and other people’s hard earned money to chase past glory.

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          • coolguy Says:

            And to be honest how do openings even help someone in long run. People need to start looking at bigger picture. Forget SRK. Aamir had a 36 cr something nett non holiday record for D3 if I am not wrong and it even had a life time collection record, but how much did D3 help Aamir’s career overall. Absolutely zero!!! If Aamir followed one D3 with another D3, trust me even his die hard fans would think twice before spending on the ticket of Aamir Khan movie. Going to movie is an expensive affair, specially if you go with family. It has become a luxury. Thankfully he din’t. And IMO there are no. of other variables that can influence an opening apart form the star. Genre, trailers, marketing/hype, star’s last couple of movie’s overall impression in people’s mind etc.
            Now someone can give example of Salman who hasn’t been doing great stuff but still achieved this success. Well he is an unexplained phenomenon probably on the lines of Rajesh Khanna. The only strange part is he attained it so late in his career. I even remember the day when me and my very good friend couldn’t stop laughing watching Wanted trailer. But well, Salman hasn’t looked back since then.

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          • “I even remember the day when me and my very good friend couldn’t stop laughing watching Wanted trailer. But well, Salman hasn’t look”

            If you can laugh on Wanted trailer, no one can help you. It is a ‘fine’ commercial Hindi film. I’m sure you laughed during Dabangg too!! Everyone is not there to make social entertainers. Come out of Aamir syndrome.

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          • “Well he is an unexplained phenomenon probably on the lines of Rajesh Khanna.”

            I don’t think so, it is very clear. Maybe you can’t comprehend it yet. Those who had success like MPK and HAHK have fan following very deep. They can go through lower phases but can bounce back anytime of their career. Do you know why Amitabh was destined to come back hugely after disastrous comeback in 1996? Coz his fan following is the deepest and he was bound to come back though it was 2000 and 2001. Calling such stuff as ‘unexplained phenomenon’ is silly. Same thing with Rajesh Khanna. He’s not unexplained, he was different than every other star before and created a unique stylized form and it gave him huge fan following and he had tremendous talent for that space. The phenomena should be how his stardom ended not how he achieved.

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          • “And to be honest how do openings even help someone in long run. ”

            Who cares man? You are shifting the debate.. first its about opening.. then lifetime and now how opening helps in the long run? What long run? 25 freaking years… how much long you want? if tomorrow SRK retires, its fine. Earlier stardom was only for 5 to 10 years.. these 3 khans extended them beyond that. People still finding issues after 25 years saying it won’t last long. LMAO.

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          • Lol..apart from last comment I never even mentioned about openings and that too I mentioned they don’t really matter in bigger scheme of things. I stuck to my point. All I said SRK is past it and needs to lower his game to survive and revive. But you are finding it offensive. It’s ok. I understand the frustration. Its not easy to see your favorite star’s downward slide. Happens to everyone. May happen someday to Aamir too. May have already started for Salman. Who knows?

            As far as Aamir syndrome. Yeah I do carry it. But if he falters and fails I am not that crazy to not accept it.

            And yes I agree on Amitabh. He is not an unexplained phenomenon of course. He didn’t achieve his superstardom by luck. He achieved it by talent, class and style. Totally deserved!!! IMO greatest movie star of Indian cinema. But lets not forget there came a point even he was past it and he had to lower his game to survive and revive. And his revival was one of a kind.

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          • “Lol..apart from last comment I never even mentioned about openings ”

            Lol. You replied under that Indicine’s Q&A about opening and called it deluded. I replied to that and you keep continuing it. If its not about opening, why call it deluded then?

            Regarding frustration, there is none. I have no hesitation to accept that Srk is not doing great currently and behind Aamir and Salman. But many of them here don’t understand the basic point that just having a favorite doesn’t mean they need to the TOP always. Just having a fav doesn’t make me lesser intelligent than someone who’s joining the bandwagon of a successful star. I’ve mentioned it recently and it apparently got deleted to make someone happy and stop his crying.

            Even today if I watch Federer match, I support him fully knowing he’s past his prime and will never be the one he was! You can claim my comments if I say that SRK will give 400 crore tom or something and I’m not so blind fanatic.