Film Information verdicts 1990-1999
Thanks to Marcus and Gamer RSK for gathering the information
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1990 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPERHIT (AA) – Dil
HIT (A1) – Ghayal
SEMI-HIT (A) – Kishen Kanhaiya, Aaj Ka Arjun, Thanedaar, Pratibandh
OVERFLOW (BB) – Aashiqui, Baap Numbri Beta Dus Numri, Ghar Ho To Aisa, Police Public, Baaghi, Jungle Love, Tum Mere Ho, Meri Lalkaar, Bahaar Aane Tak, State Rowdy (dubbed), Pehli Raat (dubbed), Qatil Jawani (dubbed), Gulabi Raaten (dubbed), Har Din Pyar Ke Din (dubbed)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Swarg (Excellent in C.P. & C.I.), Doodh Ka Karz, Shiva (BB in Bombay & C.P.), Insaf Nagin Ka (dubbed)
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Amiri Garibi, Pati Patni Aur Tawaif, Hum Se Na Takrana, Naaka Bandi (Excellent in C.P. & C.I.), Muqaddar Ka Baadshah, Mera Pati Sirf Mera Hai, Danga Fasaad, Souten Ki Beti, Kroadh, Tejaa, Agneekaal, Kafan
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1991 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPERHIT (AA) – Phool Aur Kaante, Saajan, Sanam Bewafa
HIT (A1) – Sadak
SEMI-HIT (A) – Phool Bane Angaray, Izzat, Kurbaan
OVERFLOW (BB) – Suagandh (‘A’ in some circuits), Prem Qaidi (‘A’ in Bombay), Henna (better in Delhi-UP), Saudagar (B1 in some circuits), Narsimha, Aaye Milan Ki Raat, 100 Days, Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin (‘A’ in Bombay and Nizam)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Hum (BB in Bombay), Bhabhi, Saathi, Hafta Bandh (better in Maharashtra), Pyar Ka Devta (better in some circuits), Ramgarh Ke Sholay, Banjaran
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Maa, Fateh, Benaam Badshah (‘BB’ in Bombay & C.P.), Kohraam, Prahaar (good in Bombay, Bengal and C.P.)
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1993 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Aankhen
SUPERHIT (AA) – Khalnayak
HIT (A1) – Darr, Baazigar, Anari
SEMI-HIT (A) – Dallal, Roja, Tiranga (class ‘AA” in Bombay)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Bhookamp, Aaina, Lootere, Hum Hai Rahi Pyar Ke (class ‘A’ in Maharashtra), Damini, Muqabala (class ‘A’ in some circuits), Game
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Aashik Awara (class ‘A’ in Bombay), Gardish (class ‘A’ in Bombay and Delhi-U.P.), Kundan, Waqt Humara Hai (class ‘A’ in some circuits), Pehchan
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Sir (class ‘A’ in Bombay, losing in other circuits), Phool Aur Angaar (class ‘A’ in Bengal, losing in some circuits), Rang, Gumrah
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Aadmi (class ‘BB’ in Bombay), Dil Tera Aashiq (class ‘BB” in Bombay and Nizam), Ek Hi Raasta, Platform
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1994 CLASSIFICATIONS
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MOVIE MARVEL – Hum Aapke Hain Koun
SUPERHIT (AA) – Jurassic Park (dubbed), Dilwale, Mohra, Krantiveer
HIT (A1) – Laadla, Raja Babu
OVERFLOW (BB) – Elaan, Yeh Dillagi (‘A’ in Bombay), Suhaag, Anth
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Gopi Kishan, Vijaypath, Khuddar, Salaami
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa (‘A’ in Maharashtra), Main Khiladi Tu Anari, Andaz Apna Apna (losing in Bengal & E. Punjab), Zaalim
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Dulaara, Saajan Ka Ghar (hit in Bihar, ‘BB’ in some circuits), Aatish, Cheetah, Dal-pati (‘BB” in Bombay, losing in some circuits), Jai-Kishen
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1995 CLASSIFICATIONS
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MOVIE MARVEL – Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge
SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Karan Arjun
SUPERHIT (AA) – Bombay, Rangeela
HIT (A1) – Coolie No 1
SEMI-HIT (A) – Hum Se Hai Muqabla
OVERFLOW (BB) – Barsaat, Najayaz, Raam Jaane
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – HathKadi, Raavan Raj
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Akele Hum Akele Tum, Criminal, Dhanwan, Gambler, Haqeeqat, Jallad, Oh Darling Yeh Hai India, Papa Kehte Hai, Takkar
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1996 CLASSIFICATIONS
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MOVIE MARVEL – Raja Hindustani
HIT (A1) – Saajan Chale Sasural, Agni Sakshi (‘AAA’ in Maharashtra), Bandit Queen
SEMI-HIT (A) – Ghatak (‘BB’ in Eastern Circuit), Jeet (‘B1’ in Eastern Circuit)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Hindustani (dubbed; ‘AAA’ in Maharashtra, losing in Rajasthan), Jaan (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P. & East Punjab), Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Masoom (‘A’ in Maharashtra), Loafer, Diljale (losing in some circuits), Raja Ki Aayegi Baaraat (losing in some circuits; ‘BB’ in Bihar & C.P. Berar), Tere Mere Sapne (‘A’ in Bombay & losing in Eastern Circuit), Fareb (‘A’ in Maharashtra)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Antim Yudh (dubbed; ‘BB’ in South)
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Ek Bandar Hotel Ke Andar (dubbed), Chaahat, Army, Mission: Impossible (dubbed), Mita Doonga Naam-O-Nishan (dubbed)
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1997 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Border
SUPERHIT (AA) – Dil Toh Pagal Hai (‘AAA’ in Bombay, East Punjab and West Bengal)
HIT (A1) – Hero No 1, Ziddi, Judaai
SEMI-HIT (A) – Virasat (‘A1’ in Bombay), Ishq, Chachi 420 (‘AA’ in Bombay, C.P. Berar)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Pardes (‘A1’ in Bombay), Deewana Mastana (‘A1’ in Bombay), Judwaa (‘A’ in Bombay), Yeshwant (‘A’ in Bombay), Anaconda (dubbed)
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Gupt (‘A1’ in Bombay & Tamil Nadu-Kerala; average in some circuits), Bhai (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P.), Aastha
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Jodidar, The Lost World: Jurassic Park (dubbed)
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Yes Boss (‘A’ in Bombay & Nizam), Kaalia, Judge Mujrim, Qahar, Shapath, Koyla (‘BB’ in Nizam), Auzaar (‘BB’ in Nizam), Daadagiri
COVERAGE (B) – Chudail (‘BB’ in some circuits, Suraj, Gulam-E-Musthafa (‘BB’ in Bombay & C.P. Berar)
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1998 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
HIT (A1) – Pyar Toh Hona Hi Tha (‘AA’ in Bombay), Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya (‘AA’ in Bombay), Soldier (‘AA’ in East Punjab)
SEMI-HIT (A) – Bandhan (‘A1’ in several circuits), Dulhe Raja (‘AA’ in Bihar)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Jab Pyaar Kisse Hota Hai, Gulam (‘AA’ in Bombay), Bade Miyan Chote Miyan, Fire (dubbed), Maut, Murda, Miyan Biwi Aur Woh (dubbed)
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Major Saab (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P.), Kama Sutra (dubbed), Aunty No 1, Ratree Milan (dubbed)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Satya (‘AA’ in Bombay and C.P. Berar; losing in several circuits), Speed 2 (dubbed), Do Numri
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Tomorrow Never Dies (dubbed), Chandaal
COVERAGE (B) – Gharwali Baharwali (losing in some circuits), Mard, Shaitani Atma, Sher-e-Hindustan, Gunda, Armageddon (dubbed)
*********Half yearly from Film Information website********
1998 – Half year – Page 1
1998 – Half year – Page 2
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1999 CLASSIFICATIONS
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1999 #FI Classifications _ please check watermark for credits
SUPERHIT (AA) – Hum Saath Saath Hain
SEMI-HIT (A) – Biwi No 1, Hum Aapke Dil Mein Rehte Hain, Daag – The Fire
OVERFLOW – Sarfarosh, Sirf Tum, Munnibai (this one is a very, very small-budget film which did good business in small towns and moffusil areas on the strength of its sex scenes), The Mummy (dubbed)
Commission Earner – Hogi Pyar Ki Jeet, Kachhe Dhaage, Taal (losing in some circuits but did very well in Bombay, south India and overseas), Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam, Haseena Maan Jayegi, Vaastav (losing in parts of India but did very well in Maharashtra), Jaanbaaz Khiladi (dubbed), Maut Ka Samudra (dubbed)
COVERAGE (B) – Arjun Pandit, Jaanwar, International Khiladi, Tez Raftaar (dubbed), Hindustan Ki Kasam, Titanic (dubbed)
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Below is when the thread started….13 Feb 2022.
1990 CLASSIFICATIONS
1990 – Thanks to Gurwinder Lotay at Boxoffice Experts – Facebook group
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Super Hit – Dil, Ghayal
Hit – Aaj Ka Arjun, Aashiqui
Semi Hit – Baaghi
Overflow – Kishen Kanhaiya, Thaneedar, Baap Numbri Beta Dus Numbri
Commission Earner – Ghar Ho Toh Aisa, Swarg, Shiva, Police Public, Pratibandh
Coverage To Commission – Izzatdaar, Veeru Dada
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1991 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Super Hit – Phool Aur Kaante, Saajan, Sanam Bewafa
Hit – Sadak
Semi Hit – Phool Bane Angaray, Izzat, Kurbaan
Overflow – Suagandh, Prem Qaidi, Henna, Saudagar, Narsimha, Aaye Milan Ki Raat, 100 Days, Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin
Commission Earner – Hum, Bhabhi, Saathi, Hafta Bandh, Pyar Ka Devta, Ramgarh Ke Sholay, Banjaran
Coverage to Commission – Maa, Fateh, Benaam Badshah, Kohraam, Prahaar
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1992 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Super Hit – Beta
Hit – Deewana, Shola Aur Shabnam, Jigar
Semi Hit – Bol Radha Bol
Overflow – Tehalka, Khiladi
Commission Earner – Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar, Police Officer, Angaar
Coverage to Commission – Khuda Gawah
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1993 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Super Duper Hit – Aankhen
Super Hit – Khalnayak
Hit – Darr, Baazigar, Phool Aur Angaar
Semi Hit – Hum Hai Rahi Pyar Ke
Overflow – Damini, Anari, Dalaal, Lootere
Commission Earner – Gardish, Gumrah, Aina
Coverage To Commission – Muqabla, Roja
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1994 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Movie Marvel – Hum Aapke Hain Koun
Super Hit – Jurassic Park, Dilwale, Mohra, Krantiveer
Hit – Laadla, Raja Babu
Overflow – Elaan, Yeh Dillagi, Suhaag, Anth
Commission To Overflow – Gopi Kishan, Vijaypath, Khuddar, Salaami
Commission Earner – Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa, Main Khiladi Tu Anari, Andaz Apna Apna, Zaalim
Coverage to Commission – Dulaara, Saajan Ka Ghar, Aatish, Cheetah, Dal-pati, Jai-Kishen
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1995 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Movie Marvel – Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge
Super Duper Hit – Karan Arjun
Super Hit – Bombay, Rangeela
Hit – Coolie No 1
Semi Hit – Hum Se Hai Muqabla
Overflow – Barsaat, Najayaz, Raam Jaane
Commission Earner – HathKadi, Raavan Raj
Coverage To Commission – Akele Hum Akele Tum, Criminal, Dhanwan, Gambler, Haqeeqat, Jallad, Oh Darling Yeh Hai India, Papa Kehte Hai, Takkar
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1996 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Movie Marvel – Raja Hindustani
Hit – Saajan Chale Sasural, Agni Sakshi, Bandit Queen
Semi Hit – Ghatak, Jeet
Overflow – Hindustani, Jaan, Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi
Commission To Overflow – Masoom, Loafer, Diljale, Raja Ki Aayegi Baaraat, Tere Mere Sapne, Fareb
Commission Earner – Antim Yudh
Coverage To Commission – Ek Bandar Hotel Ke Andar, Chaahat, Army, Mission: Impossible, Mita Doonga Naam-O-Nishan
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1997 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Super Hit – Border, Dil Toh Pagal Hai
Hit – Gupt, Hero No 1, Ziddi, Judaai, Judwaa
Semi Hit – Virasat, Ishq, Chachi 420
Overflow – Pardes, Deewana Mastana, Aastha, Yes Boss, Yeshwant, Bhai
Commission Earner – Koyla, Kaalia, Shapath
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1998 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Super Duper Hit – Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
Hit – Pyar Toh Hona Hi Tha, Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya, Soldier
Semi Hit – Bandhan, Dulhe Raja
Overflow – Jab Pyaar Kisse Hota Hai, Gulam, Bade Miyan Chote Miyan, Fire, Maut, Murda, Miyan Biwi Aur Woh
Commission To Overflow – Major Saab, Kama Sutra, Aunty No 1, Ratree Milan
Commission Earner – Satya, Speed 2, Do Numri
Coverage To Commission – Tomorrow Never Dies, Chandaal
Coverage – Gharwali Baharwali, Mard, Shaitani Atma, Sher-e-Hindustan, Gunda, Armageddon
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1999 CLASSIFICATIONS
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Super Hit – Hum Saath Saath Hain
Semi Hit – Biwi No 1, Hum Aapke Dil Mein Rehte Hain, Daag – The Fire
Overflow – Sarfarosh, Sirf Tum, Munnibai, The Mummy
Commission Earner – Hogi Pyar Ki Jeet, Kachhe Dhaage, Taal, Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam, Haseena Maan Jayegi, Vaastav, Jaanbaaz Khiladi, Maut Ka Samudra
Coverage – Arjun Pandit, Jaanwar, International Khiladi, Tez Raftaar, Hindustan Ki Kasam, Titanic
SATYAMSHOT 
February 13, 2022 at 6:27 AM
Surprised to see Titanic in coverage. It did very good business. Probably sold at higher price.
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February 13, 2022 at 6:36 AM
I remember standing in a long queue to get the tickets for Titanic (English version though, not the dubbed).
Not sure if this verdict is only for the hindi dubbed version business?
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February 13, 2022 at 6:50 AM
BOI is suggesting 29 crore..
https://boxofficeindia.com/report-details.php?articleid=1969
aligns with Boxofficemojo gross
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt0120338/?ref_=bo_se_r_1
$ was 42 INR
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February 13, 2022 at 8:38 AM
This is only for Hindi dubbed version. FI does not classify English films that are directly distributed by Hollywood studios.
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April 8, 2022 at 9:07 PM
Yes boss was in rest column of film information.
And you have missed Balwaan from 1992 classification which was overflow as per FI.
In 1993 classifications you have missed Tiranga which was Hit and Waqt Hamara Hai was overflow as per FI
1997 Hit order was Hero No.1, Judwaa, Gupt, Judaai, Ziddi.
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April 8, 2022 at 10:50 PM
Thanks. Do you have FI scans for 92 and 93?
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February 13, 2022 at 8:39 AM
So Hum is commission and Ra.One is overflow for Komal. How the standards have fallen!
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February 13, 2022 at 8:45 AM
Ra.one, don 2, mnik are all commission, not in overflow category. Check the verdicts. Jthj is a hit because yrf distributes their films themselves which help in the verdicts.
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February 13, 2022 at 9:13 AM
KANK and Don are also commission earners in 2006. I remember that SRK’s keyboard warriors all went berserk in social media sites and blogs when these verdicts were given. Just like AB fans are having difficulty here in digesting the commission tag on Hum. Or the reason why Akshay fans never endorse FI verdicts … so on and so forth.
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February 13, 2022 at 9:16 AM
Ra.one is a certified distribution flop. Even Taran abstained from giving a verdict since it was a trade embarrassment just like Race 3. MNIK is coverage to commission which too is debatable.
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February 14, 2022 at 1:18 AM
Ra.One was nowhere as bad as Race 3, the losses for Race 3 were all across the board and nearly 30%, it’s a disaster.
https://www.koimoi.com/box-office/decoding-race-3-box-office-heres-why-this-salman-khan-film-is-not-a-hit/
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February 14, 2022 at 1:20 AM
And this was written by Bhai fanboy Himesh Mankad!
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June 10, 2023 at 10:28 PM
Then TOH must be a CE in that case?
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February 13, 2022 at 10:03 AM
Also I will state this. Those who have not seen FI verdicts for whole of 70s and 80s, will come under rude shock if that entire data ever becomes available online. The verdicts from TG that everyone has seen will seem a lot more lenient when compared to FI. I can bet that many so-called TG ‘Hits’ will be shock commissions and overflows.
Also if we go by TG leniency, Amitabh and Salman actually has equal no of ‘Blockbusters’ – 8 in each case. So go figure.
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February 13, 2022 at 10:30 AM
No problem at all in digestion LOL. Nothing negates or changes the cultural currency of the one true icon; albeit whatever changes happen in pure capital currency. The fact that first-rate and even 3rd-rate ‘actors’ are running around like headless chickens to remake AB’s ’80s movies is reason enough.
Having said that, regarding AB’s horrible phase https://m.rediff.com/business/1999/jun/22abcl2.htm
as pointed out by Aman, it is particularly spell-binding that the man even came out of this chaos surviving, but even successful! I remember reading articles everyday in Deccan Herald that bankers were knocking on his doors with the regular ‘Tapal’ and lock to seize his properties in Bombay. And AB venting out against bankers that they came to him when he was doing well but ditched him as soon as he turned a liability monetarily: Those are the ways of the world and he was dumb enough not to understand them. And he was dumber enough to go public and state his sentiments! [A particularly vengeful reason why he acted in AANKHEN as the bank manager who revolts against the banking system.]
The irony for me is this: His failure at corporatizing the Bombay film industry resulted in lessons learnt for ALL actors across the board. Where do you think Red or Green Chillies or Aamir Khan Films or Akki’s Cape of Good Hope or whatever resulted from? They are reaping the benefits from ABCL’s failure. By that, again, I don’t mean they owe anything to AB, but that they learnt what NOT to do. Miss World, really? He never understood Indian mentality; of the mother or father being fine with their son smoking and drinking outside the house but being an ‘obedient’ son in the house. So, Ms. Sushmita went on a bikini spree outside India and was welcomed by the President nontheless from India Gate to his home, but hey no, we cannot allow women to be paraded semi-naked in Bangalore, said the vile woman Pramila Nesargi! Out of India, you can do whatever you want and we welcome you with open arms but here, we take up arms. So AB went to Dr. Rajkumar to request him to be the chief guest since it was Bangalore/Karnataka state but Rajkumar, being the politically wise-man he always was, declined, though a big fan and friend of Amitabh: He realized the cultural ramifications of accepting an invite to a function where women wore swim-suits. After all, he who never smoked or drank in ANY of the roles he played in his 200+ films, why would he sacrifice his sacrosanct image for AB?
So AB managed to get folks like the balding but 300-hitting player like Sanath Jayasuriya pre-whatsapp sex tape and a couple of prominent personalities who were brave enough, if not for moral righteousness, at least for the money, and concluded the affair.
From what happened and from what I can gather, the fact remains that AB got too ambitious and thought that his mode of discipline regarding timeliness, etc., would rub off on all and the so-called MBAs he hired would do the job. At that time, one needs to remember, not many MBAs in India were into the entertainment sector: And this sector is wild and fluid and chaotic. One can’t come into this sector with a set of pre-planned slides and project revenue growth! AB thought he could get away with this since he thought he had hired the best of them and splurging on them would provide him the best results. He was woefully wrong. I am not sure what the relations were between him and his brother at the time, since Ajitabh, being the cool-headed business guy, would have literally admonished him for expanding so rapidly without even getting the ground set.
But KBC proved to be a literal life-line for AB and there’s history. I am still surprised, though, how and why would ANY company want AB as the guy hosting a popular show enticing people to ‘win’ money when he’s clearly being exposed in society as a guy with horrible money management skills???
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February 13, 2022 at 11:13 AM
Even with Film Information’s classification, Salman has 2 blockbusters-Maine Pyar Kiya, Hum Aapke Hai Kaun. Both Bajrangi and Sultan are super duper hits.
Amitabh would easily have Zanjeer, Sholay, Muqaddar Ka Sikandar and Roti Kapda Aur Makaan.
The hits, super duper hits and super hits would separate the gap.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:36 AM
Amar Akbar Anthony is a BB as well. Comparing Salman with AB on any trade yardstick barring BOI is a JOKE! No wonder BOI doesn’t have the guts to put up 70s data.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:40 AM
Had meant for Amar Akbar Anthony in place of RKAM, though both are blockbusters, IMO AAA was more Bachchan. Only Aamir has a similar four, perhaps Raj Kapoor and Dilip Kumar join the list.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:48 AM
No one is in for a rude shock. I’m well aware of ABs FI performance between 73-85. It’d make any modern day superstar seem like a sidekick. The reason Hum is debatable is due to Nahta’s proximity to Boney Kapoor (reinstated by all his drama queen antics at Sridevi’s death) and his stinking comments on Agneepath before KJOs release in 2012. Agneepath of 2012 itself was an average film and not as bad as most AB fans claim but for Nahta to downplay the original and openly call it a disaster despite giving it a B status originally points to biased and sinister intentions.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:58 PM
If you have FI verdicts of AB films from 1973-86, then please share. Many will be interested in that.
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February 14, 2022 at 12:01 AM
Also KJO himself had admitted that Agneepath (original) was a BO flop when announcing the remake. I think that settles the dispute, since the makers will know more about the reality than rabid fans and enthusiasts.
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February 14, 2022 at 2:12 AM
You wanna believe KJOs word a day before the release of the remake? Flops and fiascos are never remade unless they have a certain level of patronizing and popularity. BOIs earliest 2003 classification gave it a B and was directly taken from FI.
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February 14, 2022 at 2:15 AM
Again i am repeating – BOI 2003 classifications are NOT FI classifications. If this cant get into your head, u need to check this on how the verdict varies.
https://web.archive.org/web/20031112101036/http://boxofficeindia.com/tradereports.htm
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February 16, 2022 at 3:16 AM
Salman has more blockbusters than Amitabh as per BOI and FI.
Salman blockbusters as per BOI
MPK, Saajan, Sanam Bewafa, HAHK, Karan Arjun, HSSH, Dabangg, Ready, Bodyguard, ETT, Dabangg2, Kick, Bajrangi Bhaijaan, Sultan and Tiger Zinda Hai – Total 15 Blockbusters. Not including No entry and Partner which were declared Blockbusters by Old BOI.
Amitabh blockbusters as per BOI (Most probable list)
Zanjeer, Deewar, Sholay, Amar Akbar Anthony, MKS, Trishul, Naseeb, Laawaris, Namak Halaal, Coolie and Mard. Total 11 Blockbusters. Haven’t added RKAM in Amitabh and KKHH in Salman though.
Let’s say even Parvarish was a blockbuster. That will make 12 Blockbusters of Amitabh Bachchan compared to 15 Blockbusters of Salman.
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February 16, 2022 at 7:21 AM
Sorry, BOI verdicts dont count and are not taken seriously.
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February 16, 2022 at 7:22 AM
Saurabh what is BOI Antim verdict?
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February 16, 2022 at 7:47 AM
Can you even be taken seriously? Saajan & Sanam Bewafaa are nowhere close to BB status while Ready, Kick and Dabangg 2 are Super hits in the best case scenario. If Sanam Bewafaa is a BB then so are Piku, Pink and Badla.
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February 16, 2022 at 7:50 AM
Hera Pheri, Suhaag, Dostana are all BBs if Kick and Dabangg 2 are.
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February 16, 2022 at 10:18 AM
Still MPK, HAHK, Karan Arjun, Dabangg, ETT, Bajrangi Bhaijaan, Sultan and Tiger Zinda hai – 8 Huge extraordinary blockbusters going by FI.
Amitabh will have less. Sholay, AAA, MKS, Laawaris, Coolie (Mard is Hit, Naseeb maybe even lower).
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February 16, 2022 at 10:24 AM
Salman has 7. You can remove Dabangg from the list, it was a Superhit not a Blockbuster.
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February 16, 2022 at 7:53 AM
If Dabangg 2 and Kick are BBs then so are Hera Pheri, Dostana and Suhaag.
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February 16, 2022 at 10:24 AM
Hera Pheri and Dostana were just hits – at best.
Dabangg2 – 3rd biggest industry grosser
Kick – 2nd Biggest industry grosser.
They are blockbusters considering other forms of avenues as well.
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February 16, 2022 at 12:23 PM
Your information is extremely misinterpreted and misquoted my friend. The curse of the millennial era with google as your handbook.. i tell ya
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February 16, 2022 at 12:27 PM
And the reason Dostana, Naseeb, Hera Pheri, Laawaris etc. couldn’t become record industry grossers (gross numbers were never reported in those times fyi, only the shares were) is because the records had already been set by Sholay, Muqaddar and Amar Akbar Anthony.. in short all AB films!
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February 13, 2022 at 11:47 AM
Is DDLJ movie marvel? It should be, but it’s listed as Blockbuster.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:49 AM
It’s nowhere near a marvel. Was well short of HAHK and Sholay types. More in tune with Gadar and 3 Idiots.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:51 AM
Then why is Raja Hindustani a marvel? It’s short of DDLJ in both collections and footfalls.
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February 13, 2022 at 12:04 PM
Exactly why Nahta’s smoking stuff at times.
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February 14, 2022 at 2:25 AM
As per earlier BOI archives, DDLJ did 47 cr nett and RH did 46 cr nett. Hardly a difference of 1 cr between these two. Both have ATBB verdicts as per BOI.
FI calls movies above Super Duper Hit as Blockbuster or Movie Marvel or what have you. Its basically the All Time Hit rating.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030801213234/http://boxofficeindia.com/bighits.htm
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February 13, 2022 at 12:09 PM
https://www.telegraphindia.com/entertainment/bollywood/trade-analyst-komal-nahta-on-his-new-show-business-savvy-bollywood-stars-and-the-game-of-hits-and-flops/cid/1756150
Nahta gives his version of the Hum hungama.
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February 13, 2022 at 1:18 PM
Amitabh personally responded to the “tape recording” of the exhibitor to come out and contact him as he was willing to pay back his losses.
No one came forward — he had basically caught Nahta’s bluff! And fair play to him for doing so.
What Rahul has mentioned in the previous posts is absolutely right — Boney Kapoor ran a smear campaign against Bachchan to anoint Anil Kapoor as the new superstar. But karma eventually came back to bite him where it hurt — his RKRCKR was the biggest disaster in Hindi cinema and Anil Kapoor fizzled out within a year or two.
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February 13, 2022 at 1:32 PM
Besides, if Hum was such a flop as Nahta claims, why did Rajnikant remake it as Baasha in Tamil? There were further remakes in Kannada and Bangla as well.
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February 13, 2022 at 5:12 PM
Hum was only a few lacs shy of being HGOTY. A commission earning HGOTY would have egg on FIs face. Those few lacs did save them indeed.
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February 13, 2022 at 11:53 PM
Not a big deal. FI definitely ran a negative view during Hum’s theatrical run and had strongly predicted some distributors/exhibitors may lose money. Such partisanship in BO reporting happens to this day from various sources. Perhaps Taran Adarsh is more neutral than others in this respect. However, Hum definitely recovered and made money else it wont feature in FI’s verdicts (commission earner is not equal to flop!). Obviously the profits were less due to huge prices.
In 2005, MP was the third highest grosser of the year but similarly due to high prices it did not even feature in “B” Recovery category in FI’s verdicts.
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February 14, 2022 at 12:01 AM
But Mangal Pandey is universally considered an underperformer/flop. There are plenty of articles in India Today from the 90s where it’s said Amitabh is taking a break on a high with the success of Hum and a National Award for Agneepath.
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February 14, 2022 at 12:08 AM
How exactly is MP considered universally a flop? Because BOI changed its verdict to Flop after some years?
When MP released, there was talk about a big fall in collections from week 1 to week 2. But it remained relatively stable in the subsequent weeks to notch up a decent total.
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February 14, 2022 at 12:25 AM
underperformer/flop^
The Hum fiasco is the only sore point, along with the discrepancy between DDLJ and Raja Hindustani.
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February 14, 2022 at 1:02 AM
There is no comparison between Hum and MP. Hum sold 50% more tickets, was a profitable venture for everyone concerned and a SEMI HIT in the WORST case scenario. MP made distribution losses in over half the circuits and is Below Average in the BEST case scenario. An Agnipath vs MP would be much more valid.
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February 14, 2022 at 1:03 AM
There is no comparison between Hum and MP. Hum sold 50% more tickets, was a profitable venture for everyone concerned and a SEMI HIT in the WORST case scenario. MP made distribution losses in over half the circuits and is Below Average in the BEST case scenario. An Agnipath vs MP would be much more valid.
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February 14, 2022 at 4:03 AM
People who have not followed the Box Office figures in the 90s need to understand the vast difference in dynamics from those days.
Agneepath had footfalls over 1.2 Crores in 1990. Khuda Gawah had footfalls over 1.4 crores in 1992!
These numbers are more than respectable in today’s terms but here’s the thing — India’s population was 87 Crores in 1990 vs 140 crores today!
If we ratio the footfalls to the population increase, Agneepath would have had footfalls of 1.9 Crores in today’s times and Khuda Gawah would have had 2.2 Crore footfalls.
BOI and other sites are ready to give a verdict of Blockbuster to films anywhere close to 2 Crore footfalls.
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February 14, 2022 at 4:24 AM
Hum had 2.2 Crore footfalls in 1991!
That’s equivalent to 3.5 Crore footfalls in today’s times. Overflow? That’s a joke and a half!
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February 14, 2022 at 4:41 AM
Wrong extrapolation – that many people dont go to theaters in this age. Theater viewing dynamics have changed from 80s or 90s with emergence of other forms of entertainment.
Anyways if u were really following BO back then, then u probably needed subscription of FI or TG. Else u were reading gossip mags like Filmfare.
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February 14, 2022 at 4:49 AM
Wrong extrapolation – that many people dont go to theaters in this age. Theater viewing dynamics have changed from 80s or 90s with emergence of other forms of entertainment.
And so has the economy! We are talking about pre-liberalization times when there was hardly the kind of jobs that we see today in the private sector. And much less cash floating around.
Theatre viewing dynamics haven’t changed that much — Baahubali had over 5 crore footfalls in Hindi alone (10 crore footfalls overall). It’s the level of superstardom that has changed.
The fact that Amitabh’s underperformers in those days were better than the BOI-certified HITS/BLOCKBUSTERS can’t be disputed.
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February 14, 2022 at 5:07 AM
Many parameters between 90s and now.
The fact a BB2 can happen today suggests the big films massively underperform today vs previous decades. Stardom is a factor but it’s a bit of everything.
Everything meaning
Disposable income
Opportunity cost of cinema and other platforms
Competition from Hollywood and South
Overall quality of Bollywood
Ticket prices
The target audience
Mass vs multiplex films
The demographic driving cinema
Life cycle of cinema to other platform has massively shrunk
Technology
I wouldn’t make such big statements here…the numbers are maybe better to compare decade to decade rather than comparison of 70s with 00s.
Even at personal level I feel less interested in cinema. But ask a 9 year old who loves Marvel and you get different response. It’s a very cyclical industry. It can fightback if content improves.
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February 14, 2022 at 5:17 AM
I agree that there are other factors involved. But the level of mass hysteria that superstars like Bachchan or Rajesh Khanna used to evoke is nowhere to be seen nowadays. There was a reason Bachchan was called a one-man-industry!
The point is that even “underperformers” in the 90s from Amitabh would be classified as HITS/BLOCKBUSTERS in today’s times. Footfalls of older films reveal that story.
And Box Office experts like Nahta and Taran Adarsh know this — they just pretend to be blind either because they are paid or they are just obtuse, and the latter wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
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February 14, 2022 at 5:21 AM
The only parallel was when KNPH released and Hrithik became an overnight sensation. It didn’t last for too long but that kind of hysteria (higher, in fact) was the norm till the time AB was at the top.
Similar to what we see for Rajnikant in the South.
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February 14, 2022 at 5:39 AM
I agree on this. The hysteria today (if any) is muted. Hrithik is the last true one.
But also you had less choices back then in 70s or 80s.
Look at the music industry. Is there anyone of stature today ala Elvis, MJ or Beatles? Looking at top selling albums of all time…the first appearance from post millennium singer is Adele and she’s at #12 on all time list…then Beatles come again at #15! Then you got Britney at #37! It just shows either the standards have completely gone downhill or so many other factors play a part.
I’ve used Wikipedia…
When I was 7 years old I had no handheld games, no Netflix…most of my entertainment was playing outdoors….kids still love playing outside today. But the ‘downtime’ now is completely different. It’s staring at Ipads. My downtime probably was playing board games or carom! There is just more choice today. That’s obvious because a person today can choose to do everything we had available plus everything available to them today.
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February 14, 2022 at 3:18 PM
I agree that the choices have increased tenfold these days. Not denying that at all.
But even today when it comes to event films, the old rules still apply. Baahubali 2 was an event film, shaped in part by its first part doing exceptionally well and the memes circulating around Kattappa killing Baahubali. And people responded in droves when it released.
In the 70s, 80s and early 90s, not all films were event films… but it was impossible for the latest Bachchan film not to open at 100% occupancy. All of his films, barring experiments like Main Azaad Hoon were record openers.
Thugs Of Hindustan was a proper event film (just an example) but it fizzled out as the content was just too stale for the audience.
If there is a proper match between content and hype surrounding a movie, there’s no reason why we can’t have 5 Crore+ footfalls in this age and time. And by content I mean a film that appeals to both the multiplex and single-screen audiences.
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February 14, 2022 at 3:28 PM
In other words, it has to be masala cinema that’s good enough for multiplexes and single-screens. Celebration of the heroic deeds of the central character. Action, comedy, the works…
I’ll be very interested to see how RRR fares in the coming months — it’s a film that fits the bill but has actors/stars who are unknown to the North Indian audience. I’m pretty sure it will work in single-screens, come what may.
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February 14, 2022 at 3:34 PM
MCU tentpoles are essentially toned-down “masala” films, minus the songs. The western audience can’t accept a full-fledged masala hero and hence they have to create superheroes who do masala things.
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February 14, 2022 at 4:39 PM
Yes agreed completely
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February 14, 2022 at 12:35 AM
Some say Swarg was RK’s last Hit film, But FI has Swarg as commission earner. I guess common perception is not always inline with BO reality.
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February 14, 2022 at 1:07 AM
But per BOI archive 2006, Swarg was Average, Agneepath was flop while Hum was semi hit.
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February 14, 2022 at 1:17 AM
BOI i think has undergone 3 sets of verdict upheavals … Haha
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February 14, 2022 at 2:21 AM
4. First was directly borrowed from FI in 2003 where Agneepath was a B. A fifth set of the most corrupt verdicts is pending where Pardes is Super and Ram Jaane is a Hit.
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February 14, 2022 at 2:29 AM
Read my other comment with given link. BOI verdicts were never matching FI verdicts.
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February 14, 2022 at 2:43 AM
Check their 2003 archives.
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February 14, 2022 at 3:02 AM
This is getting absurd. READ this link to see how 2003 BOI archives are not FI verdicts. **Edited**?
https://web.archive.org/web/20031112101036/http://boxofficeindia.com/tradereports.htm
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February 14, 2022 at 3:30 AM
https://web.archive.org/web/20040115134437/http://boxofficeindia.com/trade%20info.htm
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February 14, 2022 at 3:03 AM
BOXOFFICEINDIA
A-Chalte Chalte(Mumbai,BB/B elsewhere)
-Andaaz(Delhi/UP,Bihar,Rajasthan.BB/B elsewhere
BB-Jism
-Tujhe Meri Kasam(Mumbai,Bihar and CPCI)
-Bhoot(Mumbai,Delhi city and South.B elsewhere)
-Ishq Vishq(Mumbai,Delhi/UP and South.B elsewhere)
-The Hero(Mumbai,Delhi/UP.B elsewhere)
B-Ek Aur Ek Gyarah
-Khwahish
-Chota Jadugar
FILM INFORMATION
A(Semi Hit)-Chalte Chalte(Mumbai only BB/B1 elsewhere 15-16 crore
-Andaaz(Delhi/UP,Bihar.B1 elsewhere 14-15 crore
-Bhoot(Mumbai only.B1 elsewhere,losing at places 10 crore
-Jism(Mumbai only,BB/B1 elsewhere,losing in Bihar and Rajasthan)
BB(Overflow)-Ishq Vishq(Mumbai only,poor elsewhere)
-Tujhe Meri Kasam(Mumbai,B1 elsewhere,losing in Delhi/UP,East Punjab,Bengal and Rajasthan)
B1(Commission)-Khwahish
-Chota Jadugar(Mumbai only)
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February 14, 2022 at 3:28 AM
I’m referring to the Bachchan verdicts of 70s and 80s shared on the other thread. Not the 2003 one’s which boi gave as per their own whims.
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February 14, 2022 at 3:46 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20030801213418/http://boxofficeindia.com/amitabh.htm
All of these are FI classifications. BOI did not have sources (they still don’t) to provide info on yesteryears. They used to directly borrow from FI initially before they began their manipulations. Saket, Gamer, Rahul and Yakuza can confirm this.
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February 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM
This is true. Can confirm this.
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February 14, 2022 at 3:53 AM
So according to FI figures quoted in the below BOI archive, both DDLJ and KKHH did around 45 cr approx. BOI then conveniently added one cr more to DDLJ to make it look like it was a bigger hit and over the years they have enlarged this differential.
This has always been the modus operandi of BOI guys since the site came up in 2003 – Take FI verdicts and then screw them according to their whims, fancies and bias to come up with the first online portal. Same is true for AB’s verdicts from BOI archives – they are not FI verdicts.
On the other side, FI’s online presence is a bit shabby and they have not made any sufficient effort to bring their BO database online. Munna has managed to get hold of 2-3 scans of FI yearly verdicts from 80s (posted in main post of FI Verdicts) but thats pretty much it. A lot of data is missing if we consider that FI started as early as 1973.
https://web.archive.org/web/20040115134437/http://boxofficeindia.com/trade%20info.htm
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February 14, 2022 at 4:46 AM
@Saket – You can confirm that BOI verdicts from 80s and 70s are same as FI!
Do u have scans of all FI yearly verdicts from 70s and 80s? That is a bluff. If you check BOI verdicts with the FI scans we have for 82,84 and 85 then are are enuf discrepancies between the two.
Kuch bhi! Share the scans if u didnt bluff …
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February 14, 2022 at 4:51 AM
I know the history of both BOI and IBOS — and where that data came from. Won’t say much more as there are personal equations involved that I don’t wish to divulge.
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February 14, 2022 at 4:39 AM
Video Proof — Agneepath’s premiere in Kolkata! Hard to see this kind of craze in today’s times.
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February 14, 2022 at 5:08 AM
I think there were dubbing issues during the first 2 weeks of release. Leading to massive distribution losses due to demand for ABs original cut.
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February 14, 2022 at 5:42 AM
I am not aware of the behind-the-scenes history of BOI as I hardly have any respect for that site, having seen them degrade more and more over the years.
But FI had really missed the boat by letting go the chance to create a truly good box office portal for Bollywood, when there was enough demand for it by the early noughties. All they needed was to bring their entire number and verdict database online and to have made the digital transition much earlier. Komal Nahta comes across as a pretty thick guy. Instead of FI cashing in, some idiots used the FI data to tweak it into the initial BOI or IBOS. The audience suffered due to their respective biases. And till date we dont have anything remotely close to BOMOJO quality wise.
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February 14, 2022 at 2:50 PM
Agreed!
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February 16, 2022 at 2:11 AM
So Salman had the most number of hits and successes in the 90s. Around 10 genuine hits. Probably the only star to have 10 genuine hits in the 90s.
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February 16, 2022 at 7:27 AM
1. Baaghi – Semi Hit
2. Sanam Bewafa – Super Hit
3. Kurbaan – Semi Hit
4. Saajan – Super Hit
5. Hum Aapke Hain Kaun – Blockbuster
6. Karan Arjun – Super Duper Hit
7. Jeet – Semi Hit
8. Judwaa – Hit
9. Pyar Kiya To Darna Kya – Hit
10. Bandhan – Semi Hit
11. Biwi No1 – Semi Hit
12. Hum Saath Saath Hain – Super Hit
Stellar BO record of Salman in the nineties!
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February 16, 2022 at 8:09 AM
HAHK is ATBB, possibly the greatest ever. Salman had one major success every year in the 90s except 1992-1993 period. His best years were 1991, 1998 and 1999. Salman was surely the number one star of the entire 90s based on box office performance.
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February 16, 2022 at 8:40 AM
@Saurabh – Whats ur prediction for 5 day ID weekend collection of LSC? 150 cr or 200 cr? 😛
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February 16, 2022 at 8:53 AM
Looks like LSC will release in China on 11th aug too… so see you around then!
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February 16, 2022 at 9:04 AM
Well, that depends upon the content. But considering Sultan had done 180cr in the first 5 days in 2016, LSC doing 150cr in 2022 will be an embarrassment, even considering clash.
I don’t make predictions though.
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February 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM
I think it will need to be very well accepted by audience to cross 150 cr in 5 days… For that it will need to open in 30 cr range (like Spiderman NWH) and grow over the weekend to get to 150-160 cr total. Its not going to run havoc in single screens even if its universally appealing and accepted.
Will be great if this happens and its definitely possible.
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February 16, 2022 at 6:18 PM
Saurabh,
Thanks for your refreshing views. You do have facts with you on Salman’s successes and you are putting this across in a civil way.
I do not agree that Salman got close to Amitabh because Amitabh was also an emotion along with a mega star.
However you keep sharing your views. And dont worry….i just read through your replies. People will attach you as Salman fans etc. Call Salman Criminal etc. Remember they cannot argue on facts the way you are doing.
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February 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM
Sanam Bewafa is a mystery to me. How did it become a Superhit like Saajan (Sanju, Mad, terrif music) and HSSH(multi-starrer directed by Sooraj Barjatya after HAHK)?
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February 16, 2022 at 11:12 AM
.. and Sawan Kumar Tak delivered movies like Khalnayika and Chand Kaa Tukda, Bewaffa se Waffa, Sanam Harjai
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February 16, 2022 at 10:21 AM
HAHK is not bigger than Sholay. In fact even Mughal E Azam and Bahubali 2 in Hindi are comparable to HAHK in pure box office terms. The footfalls of HAHK have been manipulated by BOI. Its a different matter than today, 28 years later HAHK is completely retrograde and almost forgotten (like Gadar and Raja Hindustani!) while the likes of Sholay still generate record viewership on television while Mughal e Azam continues to inspire film makers.
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February 16, 2022 at 1:35 PM
There cannot be a bigger television hit than HAHK. It’s also the most telecasted film on the Indian television channel on Sunday’s prime time slot. The film gets huge impressions and that’s not once in a while but every other week.
And you’re right about the footfalls of HAHK being manipulated. I don’t think HAHK got 7.8cr footfall, it is much more than that. Around 10-11cr easily.
There is no doubt Mughal e Azam inspired the generation of directors but so was HAHK. Directors like Aditya Chopra and Karan Johar both admitted on record that they got inspired by HAHK to become director. They went to make DDLJ and KKHH. A very similar family-based romantic flicks though more urbanised.
HAHK WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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February 16, 2022 at 1:46 PM
Salman Khan is a filthy criminal catering to lowest common denominators **Edited**. Forget matching Amitabh or Dilip Kumar, I doubt if the jerk would even be alive at 75 to deliver films like Piku and Pink. Keep living your lala land. **Edited**
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February 16, 2022 at 1:55 PM
Aditya Chopra has his own dad to take inspiration from (although I doubt he took any looking at his filmography) than some retrograde deranged film maker best known for rubbish like Vivah, Hum Saath Saath hai and Prem Ratan.. I’m sure **edited** are the only one’s watching HAHK in 2022!
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February 16, 2022 at 6:22 PM
1. Baaghi – Semi Hit
2. Sanam Bewafa – Super Hit
3. Kurbaan – Semi Hit
4. Saajan – Super Hit
5. Hum Aapke Hain Kaun – Blockbuster
6. Karan Arjun – Super Duper Hit
7. Jeet – Semi Hit
8. Judwaa – Hit
9. Pyar Kiya To Darna Kya – Hit
10. Bandhan – Semi Hit
11. Biwi No1 – Semi Hit
12. Hum Saath Saath Hain – Super Hit
Stellar BO record of Salman in the nineties. Undoubtedly.
I think if i look at only this list Salman is extraordinary. If only he had not given other flops. It dilutes the stardom because if bad choices done along with good ones
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April 8, 2022 at 3:02 AM
Mpk can be also added in the list as it was almost 1990 release. It was classified A111 by Fi which means atbb.
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February 16, 2022 at 10:43 AM
Seriously why would someone even compare Salman with Amitabh in terms of BO or otherwise? He’s not even a minion in front of the legend.
Hum was my first experience of the mega stardom of Big B when I watched it as a kid in theatre. The crowd response at his entry was deafening. That image is forever imprinted in my mind.
What an entertainer!
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February 16, 2022 at 12:13 PM
That’s a joke; comparing AB to Bhai. But we got to live with jokes. My first experience EVER with AB was his flop film: AKAYLA. I had to get tickets from my uncle who was Rotary club member and ALL tickets were sold out in the 2nd week. I saw AB’s stardom in his flop film!!! It was unimaginable the kind of reception he received.
Also funny how HAHK is getting logged as SK’s block-buster; where we all know that is purely, and purely, Madhuri and Tuffy the dog…By that yardstick, AB, down in the dumps, should get equal credit for BMCM where Govinda was on a high, with age and form supporting him…
Again, this is a lost or unimportant thought in India, but the effects of stardom are the after-effects, where directors younger to you by 40 years desperately want to work with you, and you end up giving a smash-hit of a performance in a film like PIKU…let’s see where Bhai is at that age…the profit and loss statement, well, there’re things beyond that…
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February 16, 2022 at 12:18 PM
Khuda Gawah at Bangalore’s iconic erstwhile Rex theater with a capacity crowd cheering and hooting at Badshah Khan’s entry while I watched the scene as a 6 year old. All this in a city where Hindi is not even the primary language.. enough said!
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February 16, 2022 at 12:19 PM
And till 2016 hearing the multiplex crowd at an urban Delhi mall applauding his courtroom monologue in Pink..
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February 16, 2022 at 1:23 PM
Salman got more credit for HAHK than Amitabh got for Sholay. When Sholay was released, Amitabh was not even a major star. While Salman had a solo All time blockbuster MPK before HAHK.
Stats says Salman is a bigger box office draw than Amitabh.
Salman had lasted more, had more blockbusters, mostly solo ones, unlike Bachchan whose 90% blockbusters were multistarrers. Salman had blockbusters in each genre. Comedy, Action, Masala, Drama, and Romance – Which shows his acceptance in the audience. Bachchan never had blockbusters in the genre’s outside action and masala.
Salman also has more Highest grosser of the year than Bachchan and most of them were Solo lead. Bachchan never had a solo hero highest grosser. Bachchan never had the biggest industry grosser outside Sholay where he was a sidekick to Dharmendra.
Salman gave blockbusters with completely new and unknown directors like Sajid Nadiadwala, Anubhav Sinha, Arbaaz Khan, Kabir Khan, Ali Abaas Zafar, etc. While Bachchan’s blockbusters mostly came with either Manmohan Desai or Prakash Mehra who were the biggest directors of that era.
Salman has already defeated Bachchan on many criteria’s and at 56 he is still working in the costliest action film while Bachchan at 56 had become sit at home daddy.
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February 16, 2022 at 1:43 PM
**Edited** I can understand fandom but your statements are literally laugh worthy. Even the biggest of pan chewing illiterates of the lowest common denominator would not agree with your bogus statements. Stop making a fool of yourself and taking everyone else’s civilized language for granted.
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February 16, 2022 at 1:44 PM
Amitabh never gave flops like Marigold and Me and Mrs Khanna — in fact, no “superstar” has ever given flops where the overall nett collections were less than a crore! What great superstardom, indeed.
Salman should have been spending his days in jail right now, instead of exposing his fizzled-out stardom with films like RADHE and ANTIM.
Horrible actor, horrible human being, Manslaughterer…that’s what Salman Khan is.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:21 AM
Amitabh had bigger flops likes Jaadugar, Toofan that too in out and out commercial cinema. While Marigold was never made for the box office purpose.
You are comparing the extended guest appearance of Salman like Antim, Mrs Khanna etc to out and out bachchan films like Toofan and Jaadugar and still losing.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:27 AM
If you want to make a case, please post it as comment and we can start a new thread than clogging this one.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:28 AM
Nicely done on disowning Marigold. Great reasoning. ‘Not made for box office purposes’. What was it then? Made for sterling ‘acting performances’ or for ‘critics’ or for ‘Oscars’?
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February 17, 2022 at 1:28 PM
Jaadugar still had footfalls over 50 Lakhs, close to 60 Lakhs, in fact. Toofaan had footfalls over 1.5 Crores.
Try again and try harder. Forget Marigold, just look at the footfalls of Yeh Majhdhaar, Sangdil Sanam, Nishchay and then talk!
There is probably no star in the history of Bollywood who has given such MEGA DISASTERS where no one turned up to watch the movie!
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February 17, 2022 at 3:32 AM
Toofan and Jaadugar recorded over 5 million footfalls unlike a Yuvraaj with Subhash Ghai that did under 2 million with Salman at 43 and his prime. Never mess with Bachchan or his fans. Just respect him and move on coz for the trade, audience and media alike, Bollywood would always be a pre and post Bachchan era 😉
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February 16, 2022 at 2:00 PM
” When Sholay was released, Amitabh was not even a major star” – Deewaar came 8 months before Sholay and was a runaway Blockbuster. Zanjeer was over 2 years before Sholay’s release. **Edited**
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February 16, 2022 at 2:15 PM
Look at Salman Khan’s stardom in 1994 — the year HAHK released.
Chaand Ka Tukdaa — DISASTER
Sangdil Sanam — MEGA DISASTER (Footfalls less than 10 lakhs!)
Before that, in 1993, Salman Khan had the following achievements:
Dil Tera Aashiq — FLOP
Chandramukhi — DISASTER
And some fans are giving this guy SOLO credit for HAHK! Logic gaya tel lene…!
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February 16, 2022 at 2:17 PM
Salman Khan’s report card in 1992:
Jaagruti — FLOP
Ek Ladka Ek Ladki — DISASTER
Suryavanshi — DISASTER
Nishchay — MEGA DISASTER (Footfalls of 6 lakhs!)
Gazab ka superstar hai bhai…!
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February 16, 2022 at 2:25 PM
Salman Khan in 1995-96:
Veergati — FLOP
Khamoshi — FLOP
Yeh Majhdhaar — MEGA DISASTER (3 Lakh footfalls!)
But nothing comes close to the MEGA MEGA DISASTER that was Marigold — its footfalls were a stupendous 1.6 Lakhs in total!!
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February 16, 2022 at 2:19 PM
And the one woman blockbuster superstar who gave Beta, Khalnayak, Saajan, Ram Lakhan, Tezaab etc., one who elevated Anil Kapoor and Sanjay Dutt to AB level stardom for a short while is non existent.
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February 16, 2022 at 2:44 PM
I’m sure even MPK, HAHK, HSSH, Dabangg, Bajrangi and Sultan would be unable to compensate the massive distribution losses these Salman disasters have garnered over the years. His net profit-loss statement at the box office would still be in the red 😉
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February 16, 2022 at 2:50 PM
RGV Ki Aag footfalls are 10x of Marigold, 2x of Sangdil Sanam, 2x of Chandramukhi, 3x of Nishchay, 6x of Yeh Majhdhar and at part with Bhai’s latest Blockbuster ANTIM 😉
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February 16, 2022 at 7:36 PM
@Surabh: I think your statement should be, when they started shooting SHOLAY, Amit wasn’t a big star. But by the time it released, he was huge. That’s why in the credits, you see Jaya and Dharam first, and 3rd, Bachchan. And by then, the press had started hating AB thanks to his purported support to Indira and the Emergency…just read the review below…and look at the press Bhai gets inspite of his Ek Tha Driver escapades…
Dharam’s friend; the tall, lanky guy…{Tera Naam Kya Hai Basanti is for ‘low level IQs’, go figure…}
https://www.desimartini.com/news/martini-shots/archive/review-of-sholay-in-1975–article23149.htm
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February 16, 2022 at 10:02 PM
Point by point response to Saurabh-
“Salman got more credit for HAHK than Amitabh got for Sholay. When Sholay was released, Amitabh was not even a major star. While Salman had a solo All time blockbuster MPK before HAHK.”
*Anjo mentioned earlier. By the time Sholay released, Amitabh had become a star. Number 1 hero , probably not yet. But a star for sure.*
“Stats says Salman is a bigger box office draw than Amitabh.”
*Disagree. Amitabh in his fifth decade has a big list too.*
“Salman had lasted more, had more blockbusters, mostly solo ones, unlike Bachchan whose 90% blockbusters were multistarrers.”
*Most solos of Salman is between 2011 – 2016. Others were mostly multistarrers except MPK, and HAHK. In both the heroines took more credit at that point of time.*
“Salman had blockbusters in each genre. Comedy, Action, Masala, Drama, and Romance – Which shows his acceptance in the audience. ”
*Agree.*
“Bachchan never had blockbusters in the genre’s outside action and masala.”
*What …. isn’t masala = drama +romance + comedy + action Amitabh created highest grossers for each genre.*
“Salman also has more Highest grosser of the year than Bachchan and most of them were Solo lead. Bachchan never had a solo hero highest grosser. Bachchan never had the biggest industry grosser outside Sholay where he was a sidekick to Dharmendra.”
*HGOTY is not the only criteria. It is one of the criteria. Amitabh had average 4 films in top 10 for manybyears.*
*He also gave HTGOTY – Highest Total Grosser of the year. By doing multiple films in a year he emerged as highest total grosser of the year for several years.*
“Salman gave blockbusters with completely new and unknown directors like Sajid Nadiadwala, Anubhav Sinha, Arbaaz Khan, Kabir Khan, Ali Abaas Zafar, etc. While Bachchan’s blockbusters mostly came with either Manmohan Desai or Prakash Mehra who were the biggest directors of that era.”
*Don, Sholay, Trushul, Deewar, etc. had relatively less established or new directors too.*
“Salman has already defeated Bachchan on many criteria’s and at 56 he is still working in the costliest action film while Bachchan at 56 had become sit at home daddy.”
*Amitabh took a different path at 56. Salman is already declining since 2016. Has not been able to deliver HTOGTY or even HGOTY. He is not in top 3 anymore. Tiger 3 is not the costliest anymore. Bade Miyaan Chote Miyaan is now the costliest. Even Pathaan and Fighter have same cost as Tiger3.*
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February 17, 2022 at 3:47 AM
Don was just a HIT film. Not much more than that. Do you think Dabangg and Don are similar in stature ?
Sholay had Bachchan in a side role – that won’t count.
Deewar and Trishul were directed by Yash Chopra who was a major director. Not Unknown like Arbaaz, Sajid etc types.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:06 AM
Don is a BLOCKBUSTER by trade guide and Super Hit by FI. Go figure..
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February 16, 2022 at 10:43 AM
Seriously why would someone even compare Salman with Amitabh in terms of BO or otherwise? He’s not even a minion in front of the legend.
Hum was my first experience of the mega stardom of Big B when I watched it as a kid in theatre. The crowd response at his entry was deafening. That image is forever imprinted in my mind.
What an entertainer!
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February 16, 2022 at 4:50 PM
I’ve seen plenty of SRK fanatics in the 2000s and consequently Bhai fanatics in the 2010s disputing the dominance of Bachchan saab. All I can say is, the Badshah’s and Bhai’s come and go but for someone to stand tall through 5 decades and reinvent himself 3 times in the process and continue delivering SOLO HITS well into his 70s, only THE AMITABH BACHCHAN is capable of it. Even the criminal Bhai’s and self proclaimed Badshah’s of the industry wouldn’t dispute this claim.
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February 16, 2022 at 4:59 PM
article which has been posted previously..
https://www.rediff.com/movies/2000/oct/11box.htm
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February 16, 2022 at 5:09 PM
Don’t think much more needs saying!
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February 16, 2022 at 9:50 PM
The comparison between AB and Bhai falls apart for two reasons:
1. They are stars from different eras, when the theater viewing dynamics were different.
2. FI verdicts of 70s and 80s films are not available online. BOI or Bollywoodhungama verdicts may not be accurate ones.
Overall, I think if we consider only really big hits (Super Duper and Above from FI), AB and Bhai may have similar numbers (give and take one or two). But that does not depict the true picture of their stardom. AB had delivered more no of Hits and Superhits than Bhai.
Considering only such big blockbusters, Aamir (6) also has just one less than Bhai (7). But overall Bhai had delivered many more clean hits than Aamir in his career. However, this comparison is still valid as they are contemporaries and played with the same market dynamics.
Bhai had done well in the nineties and then again in 10s. Only if he had similar success in the noughties (00s), it wud have been a much more impressive record. Nonetheless, he leads the BO race compared to the other 2 Khans, which is nothing trivial.
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February 16, 2022 at 10:06 PM
But let me reply to you regarding theater-viewing dynamics. Bhai’s movies, unlike Aamir’s or to an extent even SRK’s, were driven by whistle-wolfing audience. So pray, in what way, are the theater-viewing dynamics different? Even if we go by the pathetic logic of — oh, there were no distractions in the ’70s and ’80s — can you imagine any of Bhai’s movies on OTT and expect a humoungous response? With AB, he moved on from big screen to TV to OTT with a horrible nose with remarkable ease…
Essentially, AB and Bhai, when it comes to the big screen, they were competing eye-to-eye. I don’t believe, there were Bhai’s fanatics that said: ‘ Aaj MI ka IPL game hai, so let me sacrifice watching Bhai’s READY and get ready to watch IPL and then Bhai on my idiot box…”
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February 16, 2022 at 10:13 PM
Agree.
For me After Amitabh Bachchan if there is any one star who has come close to him, he is Salman Khan. He has surely done it and his golden years of 2011-2016 made it possible.
If he pulls up his socks and even delivers a hit once in 2 years over next 20 years as main lead…..i will then match him with Amitabh.
His success with Big Boss (where he comes only on weekends and contestants are the star) is second only to to Amitabh’s KBC….so he has come close to Amitabh on television too….which noone came close. So hats off there too to Salman.
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February 17, 2022 at 2:58 AM
WRONG. No other superstar has given the number of shocking under million footfall disasters as the criminal (not even Akshay!). Big boss has been a popular show right from season 1 from the days of Arshad Warsi being host. Salman’s addition made little to no difference. KBC on the other hand has been ABs baby from season 1. The season where srk took over turned out to be a turkey and AB needed to be reinstated.
To say AB gave hits only in masala genre is ridiculous. He gave hits with the likes of Hrishi da and Chandra Barot. Imagine Salman giving hits with Shoojit Sircar or Sriram Raghvan? These directors would not even cast this fool! AB has already delivered Piku and Pink with Shoojit fyi and Paa & Cheeni Kum with R Balki.
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February 16, 2022 at 10:16 PM
True, AnJo. I never said Bhai enjoyed AB’s level of superstardom at any point. These are just armchair analysis in blogs.
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April 20, 2023 at 12:19 AM
Lot’s of AB average films are considered hit here by some-called AB fans. Looking at this Kabhi Kabhie will be at best overflow in FI. Films like abhimaan kasauti majboor do anjaane at max were commission earner
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April 20, 2023 at 12:33 AM
Even Pardes and Mujhse Dosti Karoge are overflow as per FI. They have been given Hit/Super Hit status. Ditto for Devdas, KHNH and many more. Twisting data is the easiest thing to do.
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April 20, 2023 at 12:55 AM
For me Pardes at max was semi hit. It worked mainly in Mumbai , uttar Pardes and mysore. Rest circuit it bombed badly.
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April 20, 2023 at 12:35 AM
Overflow is a Hit/Semi Hit by today’s standards and Commission is Semi Hit/Average. Some Commission films like ZNMD and Wanted have even been given Hits!
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February 17, 2022 at 3:43 AM
Number of hits of AB and Salman are almost similar. But Salman has more Superhit or higher verdict films than AB.
A huge plus of Salman over Bachchan is Salman’s top hits are all solo hero films while Bachchan’s all top hits are multistarrers.
Top Grossers, Biggest hit of the years, Most numbers of films in Top2, Top3 or Top5 Grossers Salman has beaten Bachchan.
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February 17, 2022 at 12:59 PM
Forget the classifications, which can be manipulated based on distribution costs, look at the FOOTFALLS — there isn’t even a shred of doubt who owns footfalls in Bollywood’s history.
And that too when India’s population was much smaller and there was no PR/Marketing. The economy was also much worse compared to the 90s and beyond.
But that’s too much of logic for you to take in, I suppose.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:43 PM
The only topic brought up when spoken of footfalls is Bajrangi > PK because BOI says so.. that too by <4 lakh!
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February 17, 2022 at 1:52 PM
None of the Salman movies stand first weekend/week to Total NETT ratio test which is litmus test for a liked movie within same time frame. So a movie (BB) with supposedly lower ATP has bad ratio than higher priced movie (PK)! It is contradictory.
ps – Footfall data is mostly an estimate. There is no good way to calculate and prone to error in bigger percentages.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:59 PM
Exactly! The first day to the final total multiplier for BB is 11.75 — for PK it is 12.8
In other words, both films opened at similar levels (BB opened a bit higher) and PK STILL managed to collect 20 crores more!
As Baahubali 2 has shown, a clear run around Xmas doesn’t matter. Only the content does. Baahubali 2 opened in April and trended much better than PK!
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February 17, 2022 at 2:15 PM
Anything 2x or more than first week as lifetime for a big movie is a good test. Pre 06 films could do multiples of first week. Then gradually that multiple shrinks as inflation/growth goes up…especially more so in front loaded releases.
The only film of Salman’s that more than doubled first week in post Dabangg era is Bajrangi Bhaijaan (I think). I can’t recall Ready exactly. Even Dabangg first week is similar to 3 Idiots but look at the finishing difference ~ 60Cr.
You can count Ghajini (once adjusting first 8 days to 7 days), 3 Idiots, P.K and Dangal for Aamir. Goes without saying BB2 was in it’s own stratosphere.
It’s why I said at time D3 was a humongous underperformer.
Salman’s dealing in opening records. It’s no doubt he is/was the best opening option. But he has only delivered one true blockbuster in Bajrangi Bhaijaan in this post Dabangg era (Dabangg is next best). Rest are all the charitable kind.
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February 17, 2022 at 2:57 PM
The only way to judge the box office standing of a superstar is by his/her failures — are the failures still big enough to draw crowds in decent numbers?
By that yardstick, Salman only became a superstar after 2009. His failures now draw enough numbers to justify a superstar tag, although it appears that he’s only dealing in failures at the moment.
Contrast this with Aamir’s failures — Mela had footfalls over a crore; the same for Mangal Pandey or even ToH. That’s real stardom.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:12 AM
Theatre viewing dynamics is legitimate but some of that is definitely offset by a more affluent nation and population growth.
Seen this before. SRK fans use to compare him with Bachchan on NG on DAILY basis with endless posts. We know where that went (south post OSO for those interested in history lessons). And while that was happening Salman hardly even had a vocal fan base on NG.
Salman was pretty much sleeping through 00s. And even in his prime of 10s he never ever broke a lifetime record despite numerous opportunities. His recent record is woeful.
Right now Akshay is #1.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:33 AM
Amitabh never broke a lifetime record outside Sholay so what ? Does that mean he was not the number one star between 1978 to 1987 ?
SRK never broke a lifetime record when he was the number one star. What does that mean ? he was not big?
Sunny Deol broke HAHK’s record in 2001 through Gadar ? Does that mean Sunny was the biggest star from 2001 to 2008 until Gadar was broken by Ghajini?
Salman in his peak phase gave 9 outstanding grossers which were blockbusters. Which is more than the entire career blockbusters of Aamir khan.
Aamir was just lucky that Salman’s best films did not enjoy free runs like his films. Bajrangi Bhaijaan and Sultan both suffered due to other films while PK, Dhoom3, 3idiots and Dangal had 5 weeks free run on prolonged holidays of Xmas with higher Average ticket prices.
Bajrangi even sold more tickets than PK despite that it fell short of PK by 20cr due to the cost of tickets.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:44 AM
Seriously…Sholay by all accounts was so big it took decades for it’s collections to perish.
In this current market post multiplex in 06 – every subsequent year release has an edge over prior year with inflated prices, wider releases etc. Salman didn’t do it once. SRK did with CE. Aamir Ghajini, 3 Idiots, D3, PK and Dangal. Salman 0. Nobody is stopping Salman to release at Xmas. Oh wait Dabangg 2/TZH did! He simply hasn’t beaten the market.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:10 AM
And people can say lifetime doesn’t matter! But when the market is benefitting the top rung stars and those stars like Salman are creating opening day and opening week records regularly the next chapter in story is lifetime. Salman has simply not done it. But for a Salman fan the hardest thing to do is admit his rubbish to average set of films. Wake me up in 2040 and his filmography is reverred like Bachchan’s is still today! The best yardstick is time.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:29 AM
Lmao. ATG is one record that salman did not have at his peak due to many reasons which cannot be explained here.
I already gave you examples. Some stars gave ATG when they were not at their absolute peak, Some stars were at their peak but did not give ATG.
ATG Doesn’t mean everything. Chennai Express is an ATG but not even among Top5 most successful SRK films. The same goes for Aamir. No matter how many ATGs he delivers, his most successful film will remain Raja Hindustani (Which was not even in Top2 Grossers of the industry)
Even Maine Pyar Kiya was not an ATG though it is disputed as some pundits called that it overtook Sholay. But let’s assume MPK was not an ATG and Suppose BB was an ATG. Does that make BB more successful than MPK ?
ATG is a technical record that comes due to a hike in ticket prices. And Dangal, PK are not ATGs, they are abuse to this status.
ATG means MEA, Sholay and HAHK – Holding record for years.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:31 AM
You can go on backfoot by abusing PK and Dangal etc but indirectly you are mocking even further Salman’s own blockbusters! LOL.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:34 AM
LOL
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February 17, 2022 at 4:38 AM
There is no ‘technicality’ on lifetime.
Are Lara’s 501, 400 and 375 technicalities? Are any big scores technicalities?
They happen because they lasted the distance at box office.
Point is Salman is a bigger star as he opens films bigger but those films perish quicker. You can say he has an incapability of attracting good films. You can guarantee a lot of Bachchan films trended magnificently and opened magnificently as well.
We are talking about 10 years+ post Ghajini here where Salman blanked but his peers notched 6 lifetime records between themselves. That’s ignoring overseas of 00s where SRK demolished many records time after time. And Aamir done same since 3 Idiots.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:44 AM
FACT last time Salman broke lifetime was in 94. He had Barjatya and #1 heroine to get him there. Plus a fluffy dog.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:44 AM
Quoting ballsofficeindia data to now pit Aamir Khan’s legendary filmography against the criminal’s junk.. *slow claps
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February 17, 2022 at 4:37 AM
Salman and Aamir are there since the past 4 decades and it is Salman who had given the biggest classic of each decade except the 2000s decade.
MPK in the 80s
HAHK in the 90s
3idiots in 2000s
Bajrangi Bhaijaan in the 2010s
They are the real classics that were watched by a huge segment of an audience both theatrically and on television.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:01 PM
Even Salman had Xmas releases, what happened to those?
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February 17, 2022 at 3:36 AM
Temporary #1s is a fallacy. It’s the long lasting performances and records that count.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:45 AM
Obviously. I’m buying naveen’s debating skills against saurabh 🤣
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February 17, 2022 at 4:45 AM
Even Sachin never had a ton at lords so saying he is not the most successful batter is nonsense. Same for Salman. ATG is one record that he missed at his peak due to technical reasons. That does not mean anything.
I will take 9 blockbusters of Salman of last decade against 3 ATGs of Aamir last decade.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:47 AM
Good for you. We will take Lagaan over Salman’s entire filmography LOL
Lagaan can be replaced by 5-6 other films.
Stick to claiming Dabangg is cinematic masterpiece 👍
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February 17, 2022 at 4:54 AM
We’ll take flop film Dil Se over Salman’s entire filmography.
There are countless ‘single’ films worth more than most of Salman’s filmography! We’ll flog his archive for one future great classic by Bobby Deol even!
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February 17, 2022 at 4:13 AM
I think it is pointless to compare any of the nineties stars with AB. I am much more interested to see whether the 3 Khans can make successful comebacks in 2022 after lying low for sometime. SRK’s last hit was HNY (2014), Aamir’s Dangal (2016) and Salman’s TZH (2017). Will any of LSC, Pathaan and Tiger 3 become a big blockbuster? Or will they again be swallowed up by hits/superhits from Akshay, Ranbir, Hrithik, Devgan etc?
Let the Khans be around for another 25 years and then we can compare them with Big B, who still has interesting projects at the age of 80!
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February 17, 2022 at 5:41 AM
Sensible comment. Agreed, comparing AB’s filmography to any modern star is really fruitless. Folks need to decide how’s stardom defined. I would define stardom as the ability of Bachchan to attract a Nagraj Manjule in his ’80s to make Jhund and reinvention rather than the number of footfalls for Satte Pe Satta. I would prefer Clint’s ability and resilience that provided him the freedom to direct ‘Gran Tarino’ or ‘Cry Macho’ with a huffing and puffing and gnarling character. All these, are a result of the resounding success Client enjoyed during during ‘Dirty Harry’ days or Bachchan during his golden period of Don, SPS, etc.,
I feel all the Khan movies, Pathan, LSC, and Tiger 3 would be hits. TIGER 3 I wouldn’t care since the last TIGER was horrific and puke-inducing except for the magnificently shot Katrina’s action-song. Pathan could turn out to be very good due Raghavan’s writing. LSC, though am an Aamir fan, didn’t for some reason like this from the beginning. Walking through India’s history is not an easy task and we are fickle-minded. Interpreting India’s painful and sometimes joyous history is not easy; the Americans can get away with Mr. Gump baring his bum in front of the POTUS/press. I am curious of course, how Aamir/Kulkarni can wade through the waters of partition, the Indo-Chinese war with India bearing the brunt, the Bindranwale era with Rajiv aiding and abetting riots against the Sikhs, and of course, the darling of the the west and the ‘liberal’ Indians – Modi and the rise of ‘saffron terror.’
Personally, I wish Aamir had worked on something else, something different, but that’s his choice…He also didn’t do himself a favor by turning down VV. But on the other hand, I really didn’t find VV any different from or better than AKS. The only way one can define VV is a refined version of AKS; else, AKS had everthing and boasted of a magnificent performance from the Big B radically opposite to the image of Big B as the grand old avuncular anchor from KBC who goads on the contestants to win as much money as possible…
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February 17, 2022 at 5:47 AM
You sound optimistic. But I hv concerns on whether the comebacks for all the 3 Khans will be easy … lets see.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:56 AM
This is the end game. Most these Salman fans are perpetuating Salman as not only a great actor but also some great actor acting in some great films. There barometer for qualification is the ticket window.
By that acceptable parameter McDonald’s is the best and most healthiest food because it sells well.
Or money spent on cigarettes and alcohol validate benefits (if any) from them.
Or MARVEL is greater than GODFATHER. We can carry on with such nonsense.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:07 AM
On LSC, i will say this (you can check back after the movie releases after 6 months). LSC will not offer any great insights on Indian historical events. In fact it will not even attempt to. What it will do instead, is to refer to events of Indian history playing in the background of a story of a simpleton hopelessly in love with a girl. It will be a light breezy, feel-good family entertainer. Its unlikely to be judgmental on our history.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:38 AM
Salman and Aamir are there since the past 4 decades and it is Salman who had given the biggest classic of each decade except the 2000s decade.
MPK in the 80s
HAHK in the 90s
3idiots in 2000s
Bajrangi Bhaijaan in the 2010s
They are the real classics that were watched by a huge segment of an audience both theatrically and on television.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:52 AM
Dangal is a much better film and bigger blockbuster than any Bajrangi or Sultan. We’re not even talking Bahubali here. Stop making a joke of yourself.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:56 AM
Bajrangi is better. By far.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:59 AM
Only for illiterate Bhai fanatics..
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February 17, 2022 at 5:11 AM
You are enough literate that you’re calling someone illiterate in a debate.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:51 AM
Coz your comment is nothing more than a joke.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:46 AM
Anyway job is done as Saurabh has gone to more legitimate points comparing to peers rather than Bachchan. He’s been reeled in…
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February 17, 2022 at 4:55 AM
And branded Bajrangi bigger than Dangal and Bahubali in the process while factually Bajrangi is not even at par with PK unless you believe BOIs commentary 😉
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February 17, 2022 at 4:58 AM
He is talking about favourite topic of footfalls. In end that is where this discussion is headed….
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February 17, 2022 at 4:55 AM
Bachchan is Tendulkar. Salman is Kohli. People compare Kohli and Sachin so why not Amitabh and Salman ? As long as it is done in a civilized way. But some oldies here are in frustration. Calling Salman criminal etc proves this or maybe they know that Salman is already ahead so they have nothing left except abusing.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:58 AM
Bachchan is not Sachin. He’s the Kapil Dev and there is no match to the Kapil Dev in Indian cricket (not a crook like Kohli at least!). It’s kids like you who’re ignorant and get your info from WhatsApp University. Educate yourself.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:03 AM
Kapil Dev is Raj Kapoor.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:28 PM
Because you being a millennial from whatsapp university has never heard of Vinoo Mankad.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:34 PM
Bachchan is Donald George Bradman with an average of near 100. A statistical outlier.
The next best is at 50% or thereabouts.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:53 AM
I’m soon gonna tally all of ABs films from 1973-92 from TG & FI and adjust as per present day trade classifications.
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February 17, 2022 at 12:33 PM
This was in 2003
AB:
https://web.archive.org/web/20030801213418/http://boxofficeindia.com/amitabh.htm
Salman:
https://web.archive.org/web/20031202015738/http://boxofficeindia.com/salmank.htm
SRK:
https://web.archive.org/web/20031202020335/http://boxofficeindia.com/shahrukh.htm
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February 17, 2022 at 12:54 PM
Are you sure these are FI verdicts?
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February 17, 2022 at 1:40 PM
Not sure but they use to follow..Could be compared with known data..
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February 18, 2022 at 12:35 AM
If you compare with known data, then they dont tally.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:45 PM
I’m sure of ABs because BOI has no access to archives or history before the mid 90s anyway. SRKs and Salman’s might be manipulated as per their own whims, although manipulations of BOI till 2005 were still tolerable and pardonable.
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February 17, 2022 at 1:53 PM
They have gone completely nuts these days, feeding the online illiterate masses with tools to fight crazy fan wars.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:14 AM
Two interesting things happened then. “The 70 mm prints for the film couldn’t get through customs in time for the show. So we projected the 35 mm prints. But apart from the technicians, nobody in the theatre realized this had happened,” said Umesh Mehra. “Secondly, the talk during the interval mainly centred around how not too many people thought the film would last.”
By the time the premiere ended, the 70 mm prints had arrived and the cast and crew stayed on to watch the film again until the wee hours of the morning. “It was an overwhelming experience,” said director Ramesh Sippy. “We were delighted and satisfied with what we thought was a winner.”
The media thought otherwise. The press thought it was the beginning of the end with big films like Sholay sure to prove duds. Sippy said the film received poor press.
https://www.livemint.com/Consumer/hRPf7h8ebJyNXrwJQ5q2dM/Sholay-40-years-on-Remembering-Minerva.html
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February 17, 2022 at 1:49 PM
People talking about HAHK or MPK being a Salman film need to learn a thing or two about statistics.
It is statistically IMPOSSIBLE for Salman to be the reason behind HAHK or MPK having footfalls in excess of 4 crores. He was giving DISASTERS left, right and centre with footfalls less than 10 lakhs in at least 3-4 cases.
The only person who deserves credit for the success of HAHK (and MPK, HSSH) is Sooraj Barjatya. The guy even gave a blockbuster with Shahid Kapoor and Amrita Rao in Vivah.
It’s not Salman, not Madhuri but Sooraj Barjatya.
If Salman was the purported reason behind HAHK’s success then he should have given more such BLOCKBUSTERS with footfalls in excess of 4 crores, outside of the Rajshri/Sooraj Barjatya banner, which he clearly could not.
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February 17, 2022 at 2:47 PM
This thread is really interesting. The thread proves that male stars matter more overall not counting rare exceptions. Many of the big hits are big hits because of great songs. Take away those songs and we are left with some dry story telling. Directors create big hits and with the right actors. The curious case of Salman making it big.
Bollywood is blessed with goodlooking heroes and looks play an important part. Bollywood unwittingly, unintentionally made hindi popular even in tamil nadu. Bollywood is like mini India populated with actors from allover India who talk hindi and live in a strange culture which is a mix of many cultures.
The golden eras are slowly giving way to a confused era not knowing where it is headed.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:01 PM
BOI reporting SRK’s successes with the following footfalls — this is the same range as some of Aamir’s flops!
My Name Is Khan: 1.16 cr (Hit)
Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna: 1.06 cr (Semi Hit)
Chalte Chalte: 79 Lacs (Hit)
Hum Tumhare Hain Sanam: 81 Lacs (Average)
Baadshah: 1.10 cr (Average)
Yes Boss: 99 Lacs (Hit)
Army: 71 Lacs (Average)
Ram Jaane: 1.01 cr (Hit)
Anjaam: 88 Lacs (Average)
Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa: 61 Lacs (Semi Hit)
Josh: 1.21 cr (Average)
Mai Hoon Na: 1.26 cr (Hit)
Don: 1.24 cr (Hit)
Jab Tak Hai Jaan: 1.24 cr (Hit)
Chamatkaar: 50-60 Lacs (Average)
Raju Bann Gaya Gentleman: 50-60 Lacs (Average)
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February 17, 2022 at 3:11 PM
These hits are jokes. The likes of MNIK, Chalte Chalte, Yes Boss, Don and Ram Jaane are nowhere near being Hits. They’re barely coverage films. Ditto for Ra.1, Don 2 and Devdas.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:06 PM
According to me, there are 3 who made boxoffice work in a big way consistently. First comes Amitabh, next Srk, next Salman. Thesse 3 made bollywood very big. Aamir and Baahubali 2 success cant be counted as they are too few or far between or a rare occurence. Akshay’s success is not as big as the big 3 I have mentioned above.
So let us clap for Bachchan, Srk and Salman for making bollywood very big. They made even trash work in their heydays.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:13 PM
Dilip Kumar, Raj Kapoor, Dharmendra.. Aamir’s successes are way bigger than SRKs (barring DDLJ) especially in the post multiplex era.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:16 PM
Those successes and contributions have their own special place. I am talking about superficial or fluke successes barring Bachchan’s.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:23 PM
More thuggery from BOI — according to them Devdas’ nett collections are 41.75 crores in 2002 with 2.05 crore footfalls! Nevermind the fact that for years they put Devdas’ total at 32 crores.
Rang De Basanti with 53 crore collections in 2006 has 1.3 crore footfalls!
Even with INFLATION factored in, Devdas’ total in 2006 does not cross 50 crores; it’s in fact less.
And these idiots are claiming that RDB had 75 Lakh footfalls LESS compared to Devdas!
Kaun sa maal phookte hain yeh log?!
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February 17, 2022 at 3:31 PM
Lies and more lies. Spinmastersofindia!
Sumit Kadel is honest enough to display gift hampers from amazon and Katrina. There are many who receive gifts and cheques and dont tell. Their verdicts give away their dishonesty most of the time. This has become a big business making or breaking movies.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:40 PM
Devdas is nothing more than 30-35 Cr nett with 1-1.5 Cr footfalls. No Entry came 4 months before RDB and recorded 10 Cr lower collections, yet has higher footfalls as per them. Its not that RDB would have inflated ticket costs since it wasn’t an event film by any means.
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February 17, 2022 at 3:25 PM
RDB has 75 LAKH footfalls less compared to Devdas despite being the BIGGER grosser by at least 3 crores!
Mental! I really need to see what marks these guys got in Maths. They seem to have failed even 5th grade, for sure.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:04 PM
The systematically diminish and downplay footfalls of all urban multiplex films. Right from the times of RDB to Jodha Akbar to Piku to now 83.
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February 17, 2022 at 4:16 PM
Yep, that’s their modus operandi!
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February 17, 2022 at 4:41 PM
Only at BOI would you find Sultan having higher footfalls than 3 Idiots. The tragedy is, the media blindly believes their nonsense now!
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February 17, 2022 at 4:50 PM
Footfalls from BOI – I wouldn’t even bother. Think about what BOI requires to get the correct footfall.
1) gross collection
2) average ticket price
They can’t even get 1) correct and have been shown to slice down or up at will depending on which way wind blows.
2) in a country as diverse as India, how the heck can you get ATP? This is where you have different prices on weekends to weekdays right? (Correct me if I’m wrong). Different prices between each multiplex owner? Different prices whether it’s A, B or C centre or whatever you want to call multiplex vs single screen. A different price in village to city. A different price in Bombay to Delhi to Chennai etc. And what you collect this data how exactly?!?! If you have this data in first place do you build a rubbish site like BOI?
Or you go distance and build a site like Chinese box office here?
http://english.entgroup.cn/boxoffice/cn/daily/?date=12%20/28%20/2018
The ATP term is the dumbest finger in air guess.
So you can’t get 1) right. 2) is just mind-boggling magic finger.
Footfall is 1) / 2) and imagine the outcome. Imagine how sensitive the denominator is and how easy it is to manipulate footfalls. Even it’s own site went from what 5Cr footfalls to 7Cr for HAHK overnight, no?
In this type of calculation any business owner will tell you that you take footfall * ticket price to get revenue. It’s basic # units sold * price per unit accounting.
BOI is pulling wool over anyone picking up footfalls data.
I could understand someone using their collections. In absence of suitable competition you may follow that herd of using there numbers. But the juxtaposition of ATP, then footfalls, then verdicts WITHOUT distribution cost you may as well write MUG on your face for believing them.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:03 PM
Well said!
These guys are so incompetent that it takes someone with half a brain about 2 mins to figure out that they are GARBAGE!
And the bias, the daylight thuggery is what makes them worse than crooks! At this point, these guys are just making a mockery of the whole system but the worst part is that people like Anupama Chopra and KJo believe them!
Have they got no brains?!
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February 17, 2022 at 5:06 PM
An approximate range of footfall data would still be acceptable. Something like 1-1.5 Cr for the likes of Kesari, Super 30, Saaho etc and 2-2.5 Cr for War or Kabir Singh. But going to the last possible decimal is a sham.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:06 PM
Absolutely!
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February 17, 2022 at 5:24 PM
Working in ranges is only possible thing in Indian box office collections to recommend. It gives a confidence interval everyone can get comfortable with.
I use to do + or – 5% each time. It was incredibly tedious and I imagine as a person who is recipient of that format it’s confusing and also not giving ‘the answer’ – as we all want to know an exact figure but I was never 100% confident with data so always built in leeway. Eg. https://satyamshot.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/jayshah%e2%80%99s-saturday-box-office-column-%e2%80%93-delhi-6-garners-mixed-response/
Link to how I went about calculating figures. It was a simplistic method for anyone to follow.
1) have a starting point. Unfortunately I used BOI as first data point
2) once you have raw data (back then TA data on Bollywood Hungama by centre) you can pretty much simulate your own database. Today you can use FI data as it’s available
3) I insisted on 5% margin of error for every simulation of any weekly net gross
4) on top of a singular simulation I cross validated an output against other films
5) you start to get a sense of correlation and building a good range
6) you also start to see how bad data actually is…sometimes A centre has 2x collections in week 2 than week 1 when all other centres in week 2 were lower than week 1 so you infer that A centre should be eliminated from your estimates
7) but imagine in today’s world how much more easier it is to arrive to a range. If you are excellent in excel you could easily run a simulation against all historical data now to improve accuracy instead of just one or 2 simulations
It’s actually all there to do. Pretty much a part time job….no pay….but the reward would be to put BOI out of business!
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February 17, 2022 at 6:18 PM
This is pretty much what I used to do when I could get data from BMS via some twitter account.
I’d measure it up against 5 or 6 films to get an average daily nett figure. And surprisingly those figures were very close to the reported numbers!
It was a bit tedious but then the data wasn’t always available. I still have my excel database if someone is interested.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:21 PM
It’s sensible practice to do cross validation early on. Once you are comfortable the number of iterations can start to drop.
And today’s world running iterations is probably a click job for geeks out there.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:04 PM
I guarantee you can calculate hypothetical ATP by using gross collection and dividing by footfall BOI has for each film in there data. You could probably prove a lot of messed up ATP figures in each year for films of similar genre and it would probably highlight how B grade the data is on site.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:30 PM
With GST gross is easy to calculate but before that it is impossible. The data you receive is NETT after deducting ET and service charge. Halls have different capacities; rates for different shows; varying occupancies..what kind of weighted mean you want to use 🙂
Take year 1999 at BOI..Ratio of NETT/Gross is .59
https://boxofficeindia.com/hit-down.php?txtYearlyData=1990-1999&year=1999
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February 17, 2022 at 5:44 PM
If you click into HSSH you can see gross = 66.4Cr and FF = 28.5mn
So you can work out ATP no?
https://boxofficeindia.com/movie.php?movieid=992
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February 17, 2022 at 5:47 PM
Data which comes from halls are NETT and (some information of) capacity.
Rest is imagination 🙂
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February 17, 2022 at 5:58 PM
I can imagine.
You have heard the saying keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer!
There is nothing more to say on BOI except you can use their own data to prove there own internal inconsistencies and ridiculous childish mathematical outcomes.
In plain English I used there own outputs to some what display how ridiculously inconsistent they were. And in fact I have seen on few occasions there numbers from 06-09 – films like LRM, Krish, OSO move into my ranges. It doesn’t validate my own range but it certainly shows what they say in one year or even one week is very much subject to change. I have seen them within days change numbers on specific films!
But I do not keep a diary of every bloody thing they change. That itself would be a full time job and one I would insist to be paid for!
It’s the most pathetic site ever but I will admit I have probably clicked on BOI more than any other site in my life. That’s pretty sad considering it’s up against NG, SS, BBC Sport and probably porn.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:48 PM
Also my mind works in thousands and millions. I’ve given up trying to understand lakhs and crores and figuring out number of 0’s for each.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:49 PM
This is data from FI for first week of HAHK..try calculating gross!
Hum Aapke Hain Koun..! has been loved, especially by ladies and family audience, for its freshness and novel presentation. Reduction in its length due to editing is expected to improve collections of first shows which will now start a bit late. 1st week Liberty, Bombay 3,32,661 (100%); Ahmedabad 1,34,807, Gandhinagar 2,41,672, Baroda 1,76,841, record, Vapi 1,83,889, Rajkot 62,121; Pune 2,07,249, Solapur 91,365 (99.13%), Nasik 1,18,320, city record; Delhi 5,80,438 from 2 cinemas; Lucknow 2,23,467, Kanpur 2,06,314, Varanasi 1,29,613, Agra 1,48,741; Calcutta 3,55,279 (100%) from 2 cinemas; Nagpur 2,84,826, theatre records at both the cinemas, Amravati 1,12,729, city record, Akola 77,767, Bhilai 94,070; Jaipur 2,54,786; Bangalore 1,90,411 from 2 cinemas; Hyderabad 4,74,678, total 46,82,044 from 26 cinemas all over.
https://filminformation.com/flash-back/flash-back-9-august-2019/
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February 17, 2022 at 5:50 PM
Meanwhile BOI is 68 lakh NETT for week 1, when we know that there are only 3 more not reported center in above data!
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February 17, 2022 at 6:15 PM
Lol but how you know only 3 are unreported? Is it because it was common knowledge it released in 26 centres?
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February 17, 2022 at 6:20 PM
It was a limited release, that’s true.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:26 PM
In that case all major centres are reported on FI. Remaining 3 are probably minimal additions. So evidence that BOI has already inflated from 1st week of HAHK. Now imagine what goes on in each subsequent week.
You seriously have to be an absolute tool to believe this site. You are an even bigger tool if you are using site to prove points. Asterisk alert every time you use it to claim anything.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:29 PM
Just checked the ATP for 1994 with HAHK’s data — it comes about as Rs 16
Do the same math for the 2nd best film from 1994 (Mohra) — it comes out to be Rs 10!
It’s a proper sh*t show.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:34 PM
This is what I mean. You can scrutinise their entire data using there own data!
They have goal seeked IMO. They have outcome in mind and fiddle data to get to that outcome. But if you collect enough examples like this it will show how messed up they are.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:40 PM
Main Khiladi Tu Anadi’s ATP comes out as Rs 12!
Vijaypath’s ATP comes out as Rs 11!
These are all examples from the same year (1994). 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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February 17, 2022 at 6:43 PM
Pick a more high end film from 94. I don’t know if multiplex type exists back then…
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February 17, 2022 at 6:44 PM
No, there were no multiplexes back then. It was only single screens. This is the reason why I chose 1994 — this is pre-liberalisation of India.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:49 PM
Munna and you will know more in details. Didn’t cinemas go through upgrades in 94 prior or post hahk? It might contaminate this calculation.
But either way rather than multiplex vs single screen – wouldn’t certain types of films attract higher ticket prices even back then?
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February 17, 2022 at 6:50 PM
I’ve checked the top 15 films of 1994 so far. 12 of them have an ATP around Rs 10 with a +/- 5-7% variation
But 3 out of those 15 have differences exceeding 10% — Vijaypath (+11%), MKTA (+20%) and HAHK (+60%)
It’s just crazy and I’ve looked at 15 films out of one random year!
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February 17, 2022 at 6:53 PM
Munna explanation? If Munna explanation is true the ATP of films released post HAHK in 94 should present distinctly higher ATP than before HAHK release date.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:48 PM
HAHK bumped ticket prices; at least where renovation and new sound system was installed.
And after HAHK, those prices became norm.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:52 PM
Don’t think it happened everywhere. Certainly where I lived, there were no renovations done just for screening HAHK.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:59 PM
Try calculating ATP for Mumbai..
Tax rate was 50%
(Scans courtesy Shiv Prasad Shetty at BoE )
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February 17, 2022 at 7:01 PM
In my case my hall was renovated (one of the 29 where it released) and prices went up by more than 40%
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February 17, 2022 at 6:41 PM
I personally would latch onto Govinda’s films through 90s. He probably has a Dhawan type comedy film every year that cuts across same demographic and geography of audience. It will give sense of ticket price inflation.
It can help validate (or invalidate) BOI’s ATP assumptions hypothetically.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:03 PM
More data from 1995
ATP for DDLJ — Rs 18
ATP for Karan Arjun — Rs 14
ATP for Raja — Rs 16
ATP for Barsaat — Rs 16
ATP for Rangeela – Rs 18
ATP for Coolie No. 1 — Rs 14
ATP for Sabse Bada Khiladi — Rs 13.3
ATP for Ram Jaane — Rs 14
ATP for Trimurti — Rs 14.75
ATP for Gambler — Rs 14.3
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February 17, 2022 at 7:08 PM
It’s all random and seems to be a goal-seeking exercise as Jay mentioned. They have either calculated the GROSS figures incorrectly or their footfalls data is wrong.
I don’t see how can there be so much variability for the top 10 films in one year!
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February 17, 2022 at 7:09 PM
Has BOI’s HAHK total collections of 71Cr seen changes over time?
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February 17, 2022 at 7:12 PM
Yes, I think it used to be 60 crores earlier.
It’s a proper sh*t show. Makes me want to pull my hair out.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:23 PM
Across Web everyone has 72-73Cr for HAHK. I thought it was 60Cr before and Gadar was 65Cr. But now it’s 72Cr and 76Cr respectively.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:16 PM
60,62,78.72
Gross range ~105-120
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February 17, 2022 at 7:26 PM
LOL. Once net can jump around all bets are off. Because then hypothetically ATP and footfalls can both go up or ATP goes up or footfalls go up. So this is nonsense.
Net collection should never change.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:34 PM
There are plenty of Bhai fans or SRK fans, or whoever BOI supports, to lap it all up. Without questioning the data once!
That’s the world we live in — politicians in major western countries have gotten away with much worse.
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February 17, 2022 at 8:03 PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20050724235922/http://www.boxofficeindia.com/information.htm
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February 17, 2022 at 8:12 PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20031001182839/http://boxofficeindia.com/grossers.htm
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February 18, 2022 at 3:29 AM
They have Devdas at 27 crores on this list! Now it’s 41.75…total mockery of reporting.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:12 PM
Only way you can get some degree of correctness if you know tax rate in each state and multiple NETT and use it to get approximate Gross. Randomly select ATP from different cinemas of different size. Get average. Use it to get some semblance of footfall. But it still could have error in double digit in my opinion.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:20 PM
Yeah, the footfall data looks complete garbage at this point. 3 films from SRK have different ATP in the same year — DDLJ (18), KA (14) and Trimurti (~15). The 4th one mirrors KA @14!
Makes no sense at all.
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February 17, 2022 at 7:43 PM
I was paying 15-18 for balcony pre HAHK ..HAHK, was 26, DDLJ 25, RH – 20 plus (someone else bought the ticket). Most of ticket prices were mid twenties after 1995 at my end.
Any calculation for 1994 and before movies would be very different than 1995 onwards..
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February 17, 2022 at 7:50 PM
How can the ATP vary from 12.6 to 18 in a single year?
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February 17, 2022 at 8:09 PM
Barjatya asked cinema halls to put new Optical stereo sound system and renovate so that families feel safe and comfortable.
Liberty Mumbai prices were outrageous they started with Rs 50 balcony and bumped it later.
The Barjatyas have decided to hike admission rates of Hum Aapke Hain Koun..! at Liberty, Bombay, for the Diwali festival. On 4th, 5th and 6th November, the rate for Dress Circle will be Rs. 100 (presently, it is Rs. 75). The increased rates for the other classes will be: Balcony Rs. 75 (present: Rs. 60), Stall Rs. 35 (present: Rs. 25), and Lower Stall Rs. 15 (present: Rs. 10). However, on the remaining four days of the week – that is, on 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th November, the admission rates will revert to the original level viz. Rs. 75, Rs. 60, Rs. 25 and Rs. 10.
https://filminformation.com/flash-back/even-you-can-do-it-24-october-2019/
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February 17, 2022 at 8:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5kti5xXoAEqCdC?format=jpg&name=medium
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February 18, 2022 at 3:09 AM
This is Varanasi stub..Pre HAHK it was Less than 15.25; For HAHK it is 21.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8Cei7wVkAEenHV?format=jpg&name=medium
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February 17, 2022 at 7:59 PM
Which city, munna?
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February 17, 2022 at 8:02 PM
Kanpur
DDLJ – Nishat
HAHK – Manjushree
RH – (I think regal or Sapna)
ET was 125% in UP
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February 17, 2022 at 7:29 PM
ATP for Andolan — Rs 12.6
ATP for Haqeeqat — Rs 14
ATP for Naajayaz — Rs 12.9
ATP for Hulchul — Rs 13.6
ATP for AHAT — Rs 17
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February 17, 2022 at 7:43 PM
More proof that BOI is Anti-Aamir
ATP for Raja Hindustani is Rs 18 (1996) — this film primarily worked in the interiors where it was HUGE! So the ATP should be less.
Agnisakshi and Jeet (#2 and #3 in the list of footfalls for 1996) have lower ATPs than Raja Hindustani. Jeet has an ATP of Rs 15.8!
Go figure.
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February 17, 2022 at 6:03 PM
No you need a comparative week 1 gross you are comfortable with first. Then you do some comparisons. Like this, just raw data it’s like guessing how long is a string.
I remember the film I used from BOI. I’m pretty sure it was Ta Ra Rum Pum. Why? Because I knew NG had no hard-core Saif fans. No one would start a fight over TRRP. If I used some SRK film as base I may as well have shot myself.
You must remember morning of CDI 1st week on Saturday?
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February 17, 2022 at 5:37 PM
I’m 100% sure if you have electronic membership for TG and FI as far back as possible and you juxtapose some legitimate producer totals (that itself would be a skill of judgement) or use average totals from 4-5 different sources for types of movies (I.e your multiplex or your single screen or a couple of hybrid mixes) you can legitimately build a very good counter box office site to BOI.
High level assume
1) 250 films per annum
2) average run time of 4 weeks per film
3) so you have 1000 weeks worth of collections
4) between above you probably covered every possible reported centre
And if you carve out history you have it all. THE HOLY GRAIL. THE DATABASE TO END ALL BOX OFFICE ARGUMENTS.
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February 17, 2022 at 5:57 PM
HAHK was 60 Cr as per initial data and DDLJ was 56 on ibos as well as FI. The footfall difference was well under 10 million. HAHK was no more than 5-6 Cr. As usual the mass appeasing, single screen obsessed editors at BOI have manipulated HAHK to make it seem like a Sholay! I doubt if Bahubali 2s footfalls too are much lower than HAHK (only in Hindi).
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February 18, 2022 at 12:32 AM
Wrong. As per FI, HAHK was 60 cr nett, while both DDLJ and RH are both 45 cr nett. HAHK was a notch above the other two blockbusters.
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February 18, 2022 at 3:35 AM
DDLJ was well above RH at all times. And above 50.
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February 18, 2022 at 3:38 AM
According to old BOI they were within 1 crore of each other. Munna has posted the web archive link.
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February 18, 2022 at 4:08 AM
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/society-the-arts/films/story/19970228-bollywood-puts-lacklustre-1996-behind-to-gamble-on-string-of-ambitious-summer-releases-830184-1997-02-28
This looks like gross…
“Bollywood, with its trademark selective memory, is playing the stakes keeping as a benchmark the astounding collections of three films: Hum Aapke Hain Koun (Rs 100 crore plus), Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge (Rs 60 crore plus) and Raja Hindustani (Rs 60 crore plus).”
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February 18, 2022 at 3:58 AM
Not sure about that data since Komal has KNPH & Border at Super Duper while BOI archives have them at A11.
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February 18, 2022 at 4:12 AM
At this point, not one thing on BOI can be trusted.
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February 18, 2022 at 6:27 AM
This is why I say footfall data in Bollywood context is junk..no one has idea how to calculate…You have three variables and no one knows with certain degree of confidence, any one of them!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUGSe-5WEAAj50q?format=jpg&name=medium
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February 18, 2022 at 4:08 AM
DDLJ being ahead of RH by 5-10 CR is a well accepted trade fact but KKHH being ahead of RH is BOIs cruel joke.
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February 18, 2022 at 4:16 AM
I’m pretty sure RH must have as many footfalls as DDLJ, even with a lower nett, because it was just MASSIVE in the interiors. I was sick of hearing the PARDESI JAANA NAHIN song in buses and auto-rickshaws.
It was just bonkers how much the masses loved this film.
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February 18, 2022 at 4:17 AM
DDLJ being ahead of RH in collections is a box office hoax propagated by BOI from its day one. They both did 45cr nett.
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February 18, 2022 at 4:42 AM
So the so called “urban multiplex megastar” delivered the second biggest blockbuster of the decade of the 90s among the B/C centers and yet we have the trade propagating Bajrangi as a bigger blockbuster than PK and Wanted at par with Ghajini in C centers despite half the footfalls.. Bravo!
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February 17, 2022 at 8:05 PM
major movies
https://web.archive.org/web/20041215204231/http://boxofficeindia.com/mega.htm
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February 17, 2022 at 8:26 PM
There was/is a theater in Belgaum on the Karnatak/Maharashtra border called ROOPALI. It was down in the dumps, dying. They managed to get HAHK rights and agreed to ALL conditions of the Barjatyas. [Now that theater is very close to the National highway.] They renovated it completely, made it family friendly, reworked the seats, the cafe, and served terrific samosas and chai [no, not the disgusting multiplex french fries and urine-test cup-size tea]. It was fantastic. The stereo system was upgraded; and after 50 weeks of HAHK, they had flashing and flickering lights set-up when DIDI TERA DEWAR DEEWANA played in the movie.
I haven’t watched SHOLAY or any Amitabh movies during his hey-days and I sorely miss it: Wish I could see the madness in 1978. But the closest I got to watching mania is for Madhuri in HAHK and BETA/RAJA. And those days, the media was playing it up by pitting Madz versus Juhi. Juhi was on a high with SRK-DARR/RBGG and their so-called close-friendship. Madz was looked down upon since she had 2 massive flops with the same hit-machine SRK in ANJAAM/KOYLA. So all those SRK fans considered Madz a bad omen for SRK. [And I am not joking; there wasn’t twitter or unsocial media those days but pure talk with chai aur vada-pav pe charcha.]
With one fell swoop in HAHK, Madhuri attained back ALL the super-star-dom she deserved with HAHK. And not just that, the so-called ‘demons’ of vulgarity like Choli Ke Peeche, Dhak Dhak, were washed away with HAHK, where even a 5 degree pallu sarkoing could be met with a ‘ohhh my God; bad’ from the aunty-uncle audience…Mothers could finally let their kids go all out to the cinema-halls!!
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February 17, 2022 at 8:45 PM
Thanks for rekindling those days with this excellent anecdote.
In my city HAHK ran for 42 weeks, all shows. Then after 2 years, again released with a new song and ran for 4 weeks.
Other movies during those days –
1. DDLJ – 26 Weeks, all shows
2. RAJA Hindustani – 16 weeks all shows
3. Mohra – 16 weeks all shows
4. Karan Arjun – 14 weeks all shows
5. Rangeela – 16 weeks all shows
6. Raja – 10 weeks all shows
7. Khalnayak – 16 weeks all shows
This is just to give a comparision of HAHK vs others from one theatre.
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February 17, 2022 at 8:50 PM
And these are all one theatre release in a town which had 7 theatres overall running 5 shows per day. Morning shows those days usually were porn movies which got replaced by HAHK for the first time ever in the history of the city.
HAHK ran 5 shows a days.
Since then all morning shows run regular hindi cinemas as HAHK created a new market.
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February 18, 2022 at 12:20 AM
Are you sure 5 shows? Abridged version was 3 hr 15 minutes. 5 show would take up 16 hr 15 minutes without break for interval or in between show for audience exit!
Because of odd timings many halls started morning show but total shows were still 4 per day.
Original was 3 hr 30 minute with no trimming and it resulted in not 100% opening as timings were odds. Liberty-Mumbai played 3 shows per day for 100 plus weeks.
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February 18, 2022 at 1:04 AM
I think it was something like 8 am, 11:30 am, 3 pm, 6:30 pm , 10 pm show. I watched a housefull 10 pm show on Day 9.
Those were also the days when exhibitors used to edit scenes to fit in the shows. Not sure they dared with HAHK.
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February 18, 2022 at 2:52 AM
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February 17, 2022 at 8:54 PM
Great information Naveen. Also, we talk about marketing these days. SRK I feel is the greatest marketeer ever, whether controversial or genuine. It is 80/20 for him. Controversial = 80 / Genuine = 20. IPL, Wankhede, JFK…the list goes on.
But the Barjatyas here knew their target audience and were spot-on. I think it takes a hell a lot of confidence to ask theater owners to renovate without even providing proof of success! They were so confident of their product, hats off to them. I mean they got the theater owners to work on their theaters and renovate when the owners hadn’t seen a single rupee of profit! And I remember reading that the Barjatyas didn’t even show HAHK to owners who demanded a show before they invested money in those dying theaters! And they were very, very careful about piracy as well!!! I forget it but there were stringent measures taken by the Barjatyas to prevent piracy…
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February 17, 2022 at 9:01 PM
Absolutely. Unlike Sholay days, HAHK had to create a family environment. Barjatyas did an extraordinary job.
Getting HAHK prints became prestigious. It meant theatres upgraded themselves and became premium. They kept the tix rates same but saw 200% surge in average daily footfall which kind of revived theatres.
Blockbusters will come and go. Few become historic, chqnge the course of content, business, preferences and evovle new customers. HAHK will remain one of its kind.
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February 17, 2022 at 9:35 PM
did SRK shoot JFK? I thought it was Lee Harvey Oswald who assassinated JFK. What was SRK’s JFK controversy?
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February 17, 2022 at 10:12 PM
https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/shah-rukh-khan-detained-at-los-angeles-airport-2969849/
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February 17, 2022 at 10:16 PM
Apologize; it was at the Newark airport; not JFK in 2009; and MNIK released on 02/12/2010…
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February 17, 2022 at 8:53 PM
Anjo, we have such similar preferences. Usually its difficult to find another me. We should meet. We can be good friends. 🙂
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February 17, 2022 at 8:56 PM
LOL sure bro! But you are in my cricketing-enemy country Australia! And I am in the US. Someday, we should meet up at the SCG and have a pint of beer watching India beat the hell outta Australia in a test-match; no T20s please…
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February 17, 2022 at 10:07 PM
We are taming the Aussies. They have started behaving. Too much pressure from loacles too.
A test match Day 3 at SCG would be ideal. Or when i come to USA or India. Kept traveling once a year till covid ruined it.
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February 18, 2022 at 12:51 AM
As much a great job HAHK did in reviving the exhibition sector, it’s unfortunately not a film that’s stood the test of time unlike perhaps a DDLJ.
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February 18, 2022 at 1:06 AM
I recently watched it. Its actually is a good love story and not just shaadi songs. Its a good weekend watch with family.
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February 18, 2022 at 3:06 AM
I prefer HAHK to DDLJ. Definitely the Madhuri fan in me coming out! It’s a harmless film…and come on the soundtrack is absolutely legendary!
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February 18, 2022 at 3:29 AM
Would rather watch Khalnayak, Ram Lakhan and Tezaab as a Madhuri fan. At least they don’t feel dated.
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February 18, 2022 at 3:34 AM
No obviously. I love the latter 2. But I don’t think HAHK is awful. It’s cheesy, harmless.
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February 19, 2022 at 2:43 PM
** I prefer HAHK to DDLJ. Definitely the Madhuri fan in me coming out! It’s a harmless film…and come on the soundtrack is absolutely legendary! **
This is literally, Jayshah, the statement I made to my mother and sister when I myself bought the tickets to DDLJ when it was released – quite reluctantly as you can guess – and watched it. DDLJ was just an extension of HAHK. There was NOTHING novel in DDLJ, except that the emphasis on the love-story was heavier than in HAHK. While HAHK was just family values; with romance as a side-track; DDLJ was Family + Love. I turned around bored after 1 hour and asked my mother, ‘Seriously, haven’t you seen all this before in HAHK?’
DDLJ just appears to be ‘novel’ based on it being shot in London and Amsterdam and blah blah bra…
I know I am in the minority and that’s fine; that’s what I felt when I watched the movie — no agenda at all BTW if anybody is going to go that route — but do realize the importance of this movie in India’s pop-culture; and I respect it with respect it deserves whether I like/d it or not…
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February 19, 2022 at 2:58 PM
Not at all dissing DDLJ on my side. I like it too and understand it’s status. It’s more the overseas and NRI phenomenon. Quite possible if you switch Madhuri with Kajol I might prefer DDLJ! It boils down to Madhuri factor for me and no shame in admitting that too. She owns HAHK, Dil, Saajan and DTPH IMO.
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February 19, 2022 at 3:03 PM
The actors in those films also must have been awe struck by her beauty!
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February 17, 2022 at 11:20 PM
who is Gamer RSK?
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February 18, 2022 at 4:51 AM
Quote BOI from archive munna posted
https://web.archive.org/web/20050724235922/http://www.boxofficeindia.com/information.htm
‘The problem here is that these analysts are different when it comes to writing for media compared to their trade publications.Many of the films above are not A1 or better hits if you go by the actual trade journal.Going by the trade journal,Bombay To Goa,Abhimaan,Namak Haram and Kasauti are not even BB all over let alone A1 hits.
An example here would be if a similar list is compiled for media in a few years time for Shahrukh Khan, films like Darr,Pardes,Kal Ho Na Ho,Main Hoon Na etc would be on the list as hits when in trade journals they not A1 or better hits.The same can be said for Salman Khan’s Judwaa,Mujhse Shaadi Karogi,Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam etc or Sunny Deol’s Arjun,Tridev,Damini etc.
The following scans from Film Information may help to understand this further.
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/trade2003.htm This is the link for Kal Ho Na Ho’s actual trade verdict.But the analysts always call it a hit when talking to media.It also has Baghban at A(semi hit) while we have it at A1(hit) thats because our classification rate hits at 75% return and not 100%.’
In there anti Bachchan rant above.
Verdicts on BOI found today
SRK
Darr – Blockbuster
Pardes – Superhit
KHNH – Hit
MHN – Hit
Salman
Judwaa – Hit
Mujhse Shaadi Karogi – Hit
HDDCS – Hit
Now tell me have you seen such utter garbage hypocrisy ever? They obviously despised TA (they ranted about clown), use FI then rant media inflates verdicts vs trade journals ONLY to inflate the VERY films they didn’t call hits in Jul 05 to now ALL be HITS and in SRK case a SH and Blockbuster.
There isn’t even an emoji for this level of laughter on downright blatant lying!!!
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February 18, 2022 at 5:01 AM
I think the owner of BOI lives close to London. Might be your next-door neighbour, Jay.
Look out for someone who takes two steps forward and three steps back!
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February 18, 2022 at 5:05 AM
My next-door neighbour is a Shetty from Bangalore! Not the legendary shetty of NG!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Rishi and Bojo are behind BOI…similar pattern of lies!
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February 18, 2022 at 5:24 AM
“An example here would be if a similar list is compiled for media in a few years time for Shahrukh Khan, films like Darr,Pardes,Kal Ho Na Ho,Main Hoon Na etc would be on the list as hits when in trade journals they not A1 or better hits.The same can be said for Salman Khan’s Judwaa,Mujhse Shaadi Karogi,Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam etc”
So BOI is nothing but a paid media portal. They have so much so said for themselves.
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February 18, 2022 at 12:52 PM
Amitabh Bachchan movie classifications from 1973-92 adjusted for present day (data collated from Trade Guide scans and BOI archives referencing Film Information. Thanks to Marcus, Munna and Saket) :
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February 19, 2022 at 6:34 PM
Last hit of current gen
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February 19, 2022 at 6:35 PM
Few more
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April 8, 2022 at 2:54 AM
Yes boss was in rest column of FI.
Judwaa was the 4th biggest hit of 1997 as per FI and here you have completely changed the order. (border, dtph, hero no. 1,judwaa)
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April 20, 2023 at 12:10 AM
Shocking – Karma just semi hit.
Aakhree raasta as expected overflow because it was flop outside southern and mumbai circuit.
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April 20, 2023 at 1:24 AM
Thanks for the 1986 verdicts, Heman! Btw, do you have complete verdicts of 1990 and 1992? Can you please post then here with all the details?
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April 20, 2023 at 2:20 AM
1990 classification as far I remember
AA
Dil
Ghayal
A1
Aaj Ka Arjun
A
Baap Numbri Beta Dus Numbri
Baaghi (A1 in Mumbai and Southern Circuit)
Pratibandh
BB
Swarg
Kishan Kanhaiya
Thanedar (A in Delhi-UP)
Shiva (dubbed)
Aashiqui
Doodh Ka Karz (A in Mumbai and interiors parts)
B1 To BB
Amiri Garibi
Ghar Ho Toh Aisa
Naaka Bandi
Veeru Dada
B1
Pyaar Ka Karz
Zahreeley
Izzat
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April 20, 2023 at 1:42 AM
Not sure scan is real…the fonts are unlike FI (check year earlier or later)…and typically rating have classification written..AA – always has Superhit below or A1 has Hit below…It is possible data is correct.
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April 20, 2023 at 1:49 AM
Maybe it is forged. But dont know if anyone wud care to take that pain now. Not many will be interested in the FI verdicts of the year 1986 in the first place!
I had found the font and layout of 1984 also weird (posted in the main thread).
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April 20, 2023 at 12:24 AM
Kabhi Kabhie at max will be Overflow in FI.
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April 20, 2023 at 12:39 AM
So what’s KHNH, Devdas, Pardes, Ishq and Mujhse Shaadi Karogi as per you? Not to forget Airlift and Rustom. All Hits & Super Hits by today’s trade.
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April 20, 2023 at 1:29 AM
https://ibb.co/h7JK6b6
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April 20, 2023 at 1:30 AM
1982 👆
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April 20, 2023 at 1:38 AM
1982 is already there in the main thread. The verdicts of 1986 are new to me.
Not surprised at Akhree Raasta being overflow. It was anyways seemed like a semi-hit. Karma i thought was a clean hit.
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April 20, 2023 at 1:42 AM
I’m sure Karma was either changed later on or was sold at way too high a price. It was the highest grosser of 86, a Semi hit tag isn’t appropriate. Nor is it a super expensive production like a Devdas.
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June 11, 2023 at 12:48 AM
Great to see official FI classiy of 1990. Some highlights:
1. Dil was a notch higher than Ghayal.
2. Aaj Ka Arjun was a semi-hit.
3. Salman’s Baaghi and Aamir’s Tum Mere Ho were both Overflow.
Thanks for posting Munna!
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June 11, 2023 at 1:38 AM
Tum Mere ho was hit? Isnt it that Aamir movie?
I thought it flopped
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June 11, 2023 at 2:41 AM
No it was a minor success. Even old BOI had it at average i think.
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June 11, 2023 at 8:04 AM
The snake tale was appreciated in interiors and rejected by the classes
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June 17, 2023 at 5:47 PM
Seen all the FI verdicts of the 90s except for the year 1992. Hope we get that in future too!
@Munna – With more data available now, the verdicts in the main post of this post needs to be corrected a lot …
I am posting the corrected data in the next comment. Hope you will update this post with that.
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June 17, 2023 at 5:53 PM
@Munna – Here are the updated verdicts:
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1990 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPERHIT (AA) – Dil
HIT (A1) – Ghayal
SEMI-HIT (A) – Kishen Kanhaiya, Aaj Ka Arjun, Thanedaar, Pratibandh
OVERFLOW (BB) – Aashiqui, Baap Numbri Beta Dus Numri, Ghar Ho To Aisa, Police Public, Baaghi, Jungle Love, Tum Mere Ho, Meri Lalkaar, Bahaar Aane Tak, State Rowdy (dubbed), Pehli Raat (dubbed), Qatil Jawani (dubbed), Gulabi Raaten (dubbed), Har Din Pyar Ke Din (dubbed)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Swarg (Excellent in C.P. & C.I.), Doodh Ka Karz, Shiva (BB in Bombay & C.P.), Insaf Nagin Ka (dubbed)
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Amiri Garibi, Pati Patni Aur Tawaif, Hum Se Na Takrana, Naaka Bandi (Excellent in C.P. & C.I.), Muqaddar Ka Baadshah, Mera Pati Sirf Mera Hai, Danga Fasaad, Souten Ki Beti, Kroadh, Tejaa, Agneekaal, Kafan
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1991 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPERHIT (AA) – Phool Aur Kaante, Saajan, Sanam Bewafa
HIT (A1) – Sadak
SEMI-HIT (A) – Phool Bane Angaray, Izzat, Kurbaan
OVERFLOW (BB) – Suagandh (‘A’ in some circuits), Prem Qaidi (‘A’ in Bombay), Henna (better in Delhi-UP), Saudagar (B1 in some circuits), Narsimha, Aaye Milan Ki Raat, 100 Days, Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin (‘A’ in Bombay and Nizam)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Hum (BB in Bombay), Bhabhi, Saathi, Hafta Bandh (better in Maharashtra), Pyar Ka Devta (better in some circuits), Ramgarh Ke Sholay, Banjaran
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Maa, Fateh, Benaam Badshah (‘BB’ in Bombay & C.P.), Kohraam, Prahaar (good in Bombay, Bengal and C.P.)
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1993 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Aankhen
SUPERHIT (AA) – Khalnayak
HIT (A1) – Darr, Baazigar, Anari
SEMI-HIT (A) – Dallal, Roja, Tiranga (class ‘AA” in Bombay)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Bhookamp, Aaina, Lootere, Hum Hai Rahi Pyar Ke (class ‘A’ in Maharashtra), Damini, Muqabala (class ‘A’ in some circuits), Game
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Aashik Awara (class ‘A’ in Bombay), Gardish (class ‘A’ in Bombay and Delhi-U.P.), Kundan, Waqt Humara Hai (class ‘A’ in some circuits), Pehchan
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Sir (class ‘A’ in Bombay, losing in other circuits), Phool Aur Angaar (class ‘A’ in Bengal, losing in some circuits), Rang, Gumrah
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Aadmi (class ‘BB’ in Bombay), Dil Tera Aashiq (class ‘BB” in Bombay and Nizam), Ek Hi Raasta, Platform
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1994 CLASSIFICATIONS
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MOVIE MARVEL – Hum Aapke Hain Koun
SUPERHIT (AA) – Jurassic Park (dubbed), Dilwale, Mohra, Krantiveer
HIT (A1) – Laadla, Raja Babu
OVERFLOW (BB) – Elaan, Yeh Dillagi (‘A’ in Bombay), Suhaag, Anth
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Gopi Kishan, Vijaypath, Khuddar, Salaami
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Kabhi Haan Kabhi Naa (‘A’ in Maharashtra), Main Khiladi Tu Anari, Andaz Apna Apna (losing in Bengal & E. Punjab), Zaalim
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Dulaara, Saajan Ka Ghar (hit in Bihar, ‘BB’ in some circuits), Aatish, Cheetah, Dal-pati (‘BB” in Bombay, losing in some circuits), Jai-Kishen
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1995 CLASSIFICATIONS
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MOVIE MARVEL – Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jayenge
SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Karan Arjun
SUPERHIT (AA) – Bombay, Rangeela
HIT (A1) – Coolie No 1
SEMI-HIT (A) – Hum Se Hai Muqabla
OVERFLOW (BB) – Barsaat, Najayaz, Raam Jaane
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – HathKadi, Raavan Raj
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Akele Hum Akele Tum, Criminal, Dhanwan, Gambler, Haqeeqat, Jallad, Oh Darling Yeh Hai India, Papa Kehte Hai, Takkar
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1996 CLASSIFICATIONS
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MOVIE MARVEL – Raja Hindustani
HIT (A1) – Saajan Chale Sasural, Agni Sakshi (‘AAA’ in Maharashtra), Bandit Queen
SEMI-HIT (A) – Ghatak (‘BB’ in Eastern Circuit), Jeet (‘B1’ in Eastern Circuit)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Hindustani (dubbed; ‘AAA’ in Maharashtra, losing in Rajasthan), Jaan (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P. & East Punjab), Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Masoom (‘A’ in Maharashtra), Loafer, Diljale (losing in some circuits), Raja Ki Aayegi Baaraat (losing in some circuits; ‘BB’ in Bihar & C.P. Berar), Tere Mere Sapne (‘A’ in Bombay & losing in Eastern Circuit), Fareb (‘A’ in Maharashtra)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Antim Yudh (dubbed; ‘BB’ in South)
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Ek Bandar Hotel Ke Andar (dubbed), Chaahat, Army, Mission: Impossible (dubbed), Mita Doonga Naam-O-Nishan (dubbed)
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1997 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Border
SUPERHIT (AA) – Dil Toh Pagal Hai (‘AAA’ in Bombay, East Punjab and West Bengal)
HIT (A1) – Hero No 1, Ziddi, Judaai
SEMI-HIT (A) – Virasat (‘A1’ in Bombay), Ishq, Chachi 420 (‘AA’ in Bombay, C.P. Berar)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Pardes (‘A1’ in Bombay), Deewana Mastana (‘A1’ in Bombay), Judwaa (‘A’ in Bombay), Yeshwant (‘A’ in Bombay), Anaconda (dubbed)
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Gupt (‘A1’ in Bombay & Tamil Nadu-Kerala; average in some circuits), Bhai (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P.), Aastha
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Jodidar, The Lost World: Jurassic Park (dubbed)
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Yes Boss (‘A’ in Bombay & Nizam), Kaalia, Judge Mujrim, Qahar, Shapath, Koyla (‘BB’ in Nizam), Auzaar (‘BB’ in Nizam), Daadagiri
COVERAGE (B) – Chudail (‘BB’ in some circuits, Suraj, Gulam-E-Musthafa (‘BB’ in Bombay & C.P. Berar)
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1998 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPER DUPER HIT (AAA) – Kuch Kuch Hota Hai
HIT (A1) – Pyar Toh Hona Hi Tha (‘AA’ in Bombay), Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya (‘AA’ in Bombay), Soldier (‘AA’ in East Punjab)
SEMI-HIT (A) – Bandhan (‘A1’ in several circuits), Dulhe Raja (‘AA’ in Bihar)
OVERFLOW (BB) – Jab Pyaar Kisse Hota Hai, Gulam (‘AA’ in Bombay), Bade Miyan Chote Miyan, Fire (dubbed), Maut, Murda, Miyan Biwi Aur Woh (dubbed)
COMMISSION TO OVERFLOW – Major Saab (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P.), Kama Sutra (dubbed), Aunty No 1, Ratree Milan (dubbed)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1) – Satya (‘AA’ in Bombay and C.P. Berar; losing in several circuits), Speed 2 (dubbed), Do Numri
COVERAGE TO COMMISSION – Tomorrow Never Dies (dubbed), Chandaal
COVERAGE (B) – Gharwali Baharwali (losing in some circuits), Mard, Shaitani Atma, Sher-e-Hindustan, Gunda, Armageddon (dubbed)
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1999 CLASSIFICATIONS
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SUPERHIT (AA) – Hum Saath Saath Hain
SEMI-HIT (A) – Biwi No 1, Hum Aapke Dil Mein Rehte Hain, Daag – The Fire
OVERFLOW – Sarfarosh, Sirf Tum, Munnibai (this one is a very, very small-budget film which did good business in small towns and moffusil areas on the strength of its sex scenes), The Mummy (dubbed)
Commission Earner – Hogi Pyar Ki Jeet, Kachhe Dhaage, Taal (losing in some circuits but did very well in Bombay, south India and overseas), Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam, Haseena Maan Jayegi, Vaastav (losing in parts of India but did very well in Maharashtra), Jaanbaaz Khiladi (dubbed), Maut Ka Samudra (dubbed)
COVERAGE (B) – Arjun Pandit, Jaanwar, International Khiladi, Tez Raftaar (dubbed), Hindustan Ki Kasam, Titanic (dubbed)
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June 17, 2023 at 6:15 PM
Updated..old data has not been deleted. It has been pushed down with comment.
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June 18, 2023 at 12:23 AM
Thanks! You can delete the above comment with all the verdicts, since the main post has been updated.
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June 23, 2023 at 11:35 AM
The real treasure is the 70s and 80s data. Modern day websites’ manipulation are already evident with the 1982 scans where Namak Halaal is clearly the biggest hit of the year and Khuddar as well as Prem Rog are ahead of Vidhaata (the film paraded by BOI and Hungama as the years’ biggest hit).
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June 22, 2023 at 8:50 PM
Let’s guess the stars and name of the 9 pics of this post
1. Madhuri and Aamir in Dil
2. Karishma and Govinda in Dulhaara*
3. Atul Agnihotri and Pooja Bhatt in Sir
4. Akshay Kumar, Deepak Tijori, Sabeeha in Khiladi
5. Kajol in ?
6. Ravenna , Sunny in ?
7. Aamir, Asrani in JJWS
8. SRK, Rani KKHH
9. Salman in Baaghi(not sure though)
*Cheated on this one looked up the movie name from the song “Meri pant bhi sexy”
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June 22, 2023 at 9:59 PM
Kajol in Gupt? Outfit looks familiar
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June 23, 2023 at 12:29 PM
Yes.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/photo-features/priyanka-katrina-bipasha-super-hot-baddies-of-b-town/kajol-in-gupt/photostory/52129946.cms
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June 23, 2023 at 2:41 AM
5 and 8 same scene from KKHH?
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June 23, 2023 at 12:43 PM
Somebody crack #6 – Ravenna and Sunny. Which movie? Location, Street did anyone recognize ? Pretty much European
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June 23, 2023 at 2:24 PM
Must be Kshatriya (has London setting), Ziddi or salaakhen..
It is Bridge of sighs, Oxford..
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June 23, 2023 at 4:38 PM
1:01:30
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July 1, 2023 at 2:29 PM
Added in this and main thread – 1998 half yearly verdicts
https://filminformation.com/featured/flashback-30-june-2023-from-our-issue-dated-4th-july-1998/
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July 3, 2023 at 11:54 PM
@Munna – You have not yet updated the main thread with official 1999 verdicts:
https://www.rediff.com/movies/2000/jan/03box.htm
You can take a screenshot of the verdicts section and update the main thread.
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July 3, 2023 at 11:57 PM
And I had compiled 2000 FI verdicts going through the rediff archives. That should also be updated in the main thread.
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2000 FI Verdicts:
SUPERHIT (AA) – Kaho Naa…Pyaar Hai
HIT (A1) – Mohabbatein
OVERFLOW (BB) – Kya Kehna! (A1 in Bombay)
COMMISSION EARNER (B1)- Jungle, Refugee
COVERAGE (B) – Bichhoo (B1 in north India), Josh (B1 in Bombay & South), Joru Ka Ghulam (B1 in Maharashtra), Dulhan Hum Le Jayenge (Losing in some circuits), Mission Kashmir (B1 in Bombay), Kurukshetra, Fiza (B1 in Bombay), Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai (A1 in Gujrat & B1 in Bombay), Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega, Dulhan Hum Le Jayenge, Badal (B1 in North, Bengal, Bihar), Pukar (B1 in Bombay, South, CP Berar), Krodh, X-Men, Gladiator, Chote Miyan, Qayamat
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July 23, 2023 at 7:13 AM
1999 FI Classification Scan:
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July 23, 2023 at 7:32 AM
More or less inline with what we had from the Rediff weekly column, but more detailed.
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July 23, 2023 at 4:01 PM
Added to main and 1990s threads.
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July 23, 2023 at 7:48 AM
2001
https://twitter.com/LogicalExpert/status/1655879220671963136
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July 23, 2023 at 4:04 PM
This may be true but I think it is type written by someone.
First time I saw scan having “blockbuster” is in 2019 one..before that he use to put adjectives like movie marvel, wonder..
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July 23, 2023 at 4:08 PM
Even DDLJ was Blockbuster, not Movie Wonder. But i think both are same.
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July 23, 2023 at 4:13 PM
The one in main thread is probably fan made based on some data.
Do we have scan somewhere for 1995?
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July 23, 2023 at 4:25 PM
We have data for 95 from Yakuza’s blog. No scans. And FI did not post 95 archives during the pandemic. I think this data is correct though for 2001. The ones you have in main thread are basically from NG archives with lot of assumptions as far as I remember.
FI will eventually post their 2001 classification in the archives section in 2026 december and we will know for sure. 😀
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July 23, 2023 at 4:12 PM
So neither Lagaan nor DCH did uniformly well. Both were losing in some circuits.
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July 23, 2023 at 8:08 AM
2000:
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July 23, 2023 at 2:23 PM
Mohabbatein 😜
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July 23, 2023 at 2:30 PM
That’s just 1 level ahead of Mission Kashmir. Proves the hypothesis from multiple analysts that the clash was a lot closer than been made out to be by BOI. Mission Kashmir opened to historic numbers thanks to HRs post KNPH rage & Dutt’s reignited spark post Vaastav. The dark theme and treatment coupled with an A rating led to it finishing second to a far inferior film although its lifetime was 20 Cr net+ while Mohabbatein was at 30+ and nowhere close to BOIs number of 41.
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July 23, 2023 at 4:19 PM
Mission Kashmir lifetime may have been more than BOI’s 20 cr figure. But that 40 cr figure of Mohabatein is really a suspect figure with actuals likely to be less. It did Hit business only in Bombay in India, so the clash the definitely closer than BOI’s wet dreams.
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July 23, 2023 at 4:52 PM
And there is another newspaper/magazine clip in circulation in twitter where Nahta explicitly says that Kal Ho Na Ho was just a commission earner. Not even overflow!
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July 23, 2023 at 9:47 AM
And 2005:
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July 23, 2023 at 10:40 AM
Thats 4 years of more FI classifications added to the repository. Lot of data to process.
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July 23, 2023 at 4:20 PM
Neither Fiza in 2000 not MP in 2005 in the FI lists. So both overall losers despite bumper openings.
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July 24, 2023 at 11:46 PM
We have got around 80% data on FI verdicts since 1990. The missing years are now – 1992, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2013, 2014 & 2015.
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July 26, 2023 at 12:44 AM
My compilation:
https://twitter.com/Marc96919631/status/1684009699081957377
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July 26, 2023 at 1:51 AM
The * implies FI verdicts are still not available and its the verdict from BOI archives adjusted with FI nomenclature.
Left out all the commission earners as they are only 25% profitable or less; and were attributed as Above Averages in Nahta’s weekly rediff column archives.
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July 26, 2023 at 12:45 AM
SRK
https://twitter.com/Marc96919631/status/1684009377445957632
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July 26, 2023 at 2:02 AM
Compare this with current BOI verdicts and the obvious becomes more clear about that PR site …
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July 26, 2023 at 12:45 AM
Aamir
https://twitter.com/Marc96919631/status/1684009099841753095
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July 26, 2023 at 8:01 AM
Wow Great! So all three Khans haven’t touched 20 hits in their 30+ years of career. SK has a chance of reaching there but what works for him is 13 films of Super hit verdict which is 4 more than SRK and 5 more than AK. Do we know the count of Amitabh and Dharmendra’s super hits as per FI? I guess these two box office legends will certainly have more than 15 Super hits.
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July 26, 2023 at 10:03 AM
FI was first published in early seventies. And scans from that decade is nonexistent online, v less data available on 80s films as well.
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July 26, 2023 at 10:32 AM
Its also not only about big hits either. There shud be some balance in an ideally successful career imo. Both big hits and minor hits makes the filmography complete from a box office perspective. Film quality is of course a different subjective thing.
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July 26, 2023 at 10:08 AM
Magnitude of Hits matters a lot as well. Else Akshay Kumar will end up seeming a bigger box office draw than Hrithik & Ranbir (or even Aamir) based on frequency.
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July 26, 2023 at 12:15 PM
Right. Magnitude matters more than volume. But the biggest stars are those who have the right balance of magnitude and volume. I believe Sunny and Aamir have fewer hits than Akshay but are far bigger box-office stars. Also Hrithik for that matter. If we make a list of actors who crossed 10+ super hits as per film information I doubt there will be more than 5 actors in this list. Certain names will be of Dilip Kumar, Amitabh, Dharam and Salman. Srk is very close to 10. AK I am not sure as he is yet to sign films. Not sure about Jeetendra, Rajendra, Dev Anand.
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July 26, 2023 at 12:30 PM
If you just count Superhits and above from FI, then i think AB may be the only one with 15 or more. Dharmendra never had that kind of magnitude. And Salman will probably get there by the time he hangs his boots imo. The spyverse films may itself get the job done…
SRK will be lucky to get to 12, but will cross 10 imo. Same with Aamir. Both currently have 9; 4 less than Salman’s count. And here we are really counting the Big hits. Superhit & above classifications from FI are no joke whatsoever!
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July 26, 2023 at 12:44 PM
I am sorry, Sallu already has 15 superhits & above films. He will get a couple more.
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July 26, 2023 at 3:12 PM
HRs super hits – KNPH, KMG, Krrish, Dhoom 2, War.
Akshay – Mohra, Rowdy Rathore.
Ajay – Phool aur Kaante, Golmaal 3, Singham, Golmaal 4, Tanhaji.
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July 26, 2023 at 4:59 PM
Golmaal 3, Singham & Rowdy Rathore were Hits as per FI, not Superhits. And i tend to agree with that. These films were not that big.
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July 26, 2023 at 5:37 PM
Forgot to add Krrish 3 here. So HR has 6, Ajay has 3-4 (whichever way) and our megastar Khiladi Kumar has 1 (multistarrer with Shetty anna). Ranbir has 2 with YJHD and Sanju and Ranveer has Padmaavat & Simbaa.
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July 26, 2023 at 6:14 PM
I believe that Hrithik’s count can get to 10 if he plays his cards well from here with a bit of luck here and there. As its been said, not many stars have delivered 10 superhits or more in their careers.
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July 28, 2023 at 2:27 AM
The list of Khans’ big hits (Superhist & Above) by Film Information:
https://twitter.com/Marc96919631/status/1684787593194405888
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August 11, 2023 at 9:35 AM
My comment on this thread:
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#FilmInformation mag did not exist during Dilip Kumar’s era. It started to publish from early 70s but data from then are not readily available online. If I were to guess (based on #FI’s classification since 90s), Dilip Kumar had 10-12 Big hits & Amitabh Bachchan around 15-17.
For box office verdicts of #AmitabhBachchan films, the best source we have online is the 2003 archived pages of BOI, when BOI first came into existence and both their numbers and verdicts were based primarily on #FilmInformation data.
And as per BOI in 2003, #AmitabhBachchan has delivered 12 Big Hits (Superhits & Above):
1. Zanjeer
2. Roti Kapada Aur Makaan
3. Deewar
4. Sholay
5. Amar Akbar Anthony
6. Parvarish
7. Trishul
8. Muqaddar Ka Sikandar
9. Lawaaris
10. Namak Halaal
11. Andha Kanoon
12. Coolie
However, in addition to the 12 films of #AmitabhBachchan listed above, there may be 2-3 more films which had made it the Superhit or above categories as per #FilmInformation.
For example, I have seen in a 1982 scan that Khuddar was classified as Superhit by #FilmInformation.
And #FilmInformation did not exist during #DilipKumar’s era, but his following films were Superhits or Above
1. Shaheed
2. Andaz
3. Aan
4. Azaad
5. Naya Daur
6. Madhumati
7. Paigham
8. Mugal-E-Azam
9. Ganga Jamuna
10. Ram Aur Shyam
11. Kranti
12. Vidhata
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August 11, 2023 at 10:05 AM
Wish we had enough data for Raj Kapoor, Rajendra Kumar, Dev Anand and Rajesh Khanna as well. 2003 archives of BOI are a very limited source.
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August 11, 2023 at 10:07 AM
Among the actresses Nargis Dutt, Vyjanatimala and Meena Kumari are the biggest ever along with Hema Malini and Madhuri. I find it amusing when folks call Deepika and Alia superstars when you look at their track record. A female centric Mother India is bigger than Deepika’s entire filmography.
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August 11, 2023 at 10:20 AM
We dont have enough data on collections and verdicts, but these films maybe potential candidates for superhits or above for the respective stars: (This is of course arguable in my books)
Raj Kapoor:
1. Barsaat
2. Andaz
3. Awara
4. Shree 420
5. Anari
6. Sangam
Dev Anand:
1. Baazi
2. Jaal
3. Taxi Driver
4. CID
5. Guide
6. Jewel Thief
7. Johny Mera Naam
Rajendra Kumar:
1. Mother India
2. Mere Mehboob
3. Sangam
4. Aye Milan Ki Bela
5. Arzoo
6. Suraj
7. Love Story
Rajesh Khanna:
1. Aradhana
2. Do Raaste
3. Sachaa Jhutha
4. Haathi Mere Saathi
Dharmendra:
1. Aye Milan Ki Bela
2. Phool Aur Patthar
3. Aankhen
4. Mera Gaon Mera Desh
5. Seeta Aur Geeta
6. Jugnu
7. Pratiggya
8. Sholay
9. Dharam Veer
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August 28, 2023 at 8:38 AM
By the way are you taking the BOI archives of 2003 for the 70s and 80s in your above post?
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August 26, 2023 at 9:57 AM
Pathaan is a Super Duper Hit btw.. not marvel.
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July 26, 2023 at 12:25 PM
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October 15, 2023 at 10:26 AM
CLASSIFICATION : 1998
by Taran Adarsh (editor of Trade Guide)
31st december,1998
10:30 PM
A11 [SUPER DUPER HIT]
KUCH KUCH HOTA HAI (‘A111’ in Bombay,Delhi-U.P.)
A1 [SUPER HIT]
PYAR TOH HONA HI THA (‘A11’ in Bombay)
PYAAR KIYA TOH DARNA KYA (‘A11’ in Bombay, Delhi-U.P. & Nizam)
SOLDIER (‘A11’ in East Punjab & West Bengal)
A1 [HIT]
BANDHAN (‘A11’ in Bihar,U.P. , C.P. )
BADE MIYAN CHHOTE MIYAN (‘A1’ in Bihar, average in some circuits)
DULHE RAJA (‘A11′ in Bihar,’A1’ in U.P.)
FIRE [dubbed]
GHULAM (‘A1’ in Bombay & South India)
JAB PYAR KISISE HOTA HAI (Delhi, Nizam, Rajasthan , CI ; Overflow at places)
KAMA SUTRA : A TALE OF LOVE [dubbed]
+B [OVERFLOW]
ARMAGEDDON [dubbed]
MAJOR SAAB (Delhi-U.P., Bihar)
SATYA (‘A11’ in Bombay, ‘A1’ in C.P. ; Losing elsewhere)
TOMMOROW NEVER DIES [dubbed]
GOOD B [COMMISSION/ OVERFLOW]
CHANDAAL (North)
MIYAN BIVI AUR WOH [dubbed]
RATREE MILAN [dubbed]
SPEED 2 [dubbed]
B [COVERAGE]
GHARWALI BAHARWALI (good at places)
MEHENDI
MARD
MILLITARY RAAJ
SHER E HINDUSTAN
SHAITANI AATMA
PARTIAL SUCCESS
CHINA GATE
DUSHMAN
DO NUMRI
GUNDA
HITLER
MAUT
MURDA
YAMRAAJ
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October 18, 2023 at 12:00 AM
This is not a comprehensive list from what i double checked, but i think it lists movies which were Hits or Above according to Film Information.
@Shivaay – Loads of AB films here!
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October 18, 2023 at 12:29 AM
OK, this list is actually from official FI publication from their issue dated Oct 17, 1998! So, its not just Hits, but films which with Superhit or Above tag from FI.
https://filminformation.com/featured/flashback-13-october-2023-from-our-issue-dated-17th-october-1998/
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October 18, 2023 at 4:42 AM
Yeah his website had put it up recently. Though I’m surprised not to see Suhaag & Naseeb in the list while Yaarana’s present.
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October 18, 2023 at 6:46 PM
Yaarana is not present in this list, but Mard and Sharaabi are. Also, Khuddar is missing here, which was a Superhit by 1985’s year-end scan (available in the main FI post).
But even without Suhaag and Naseeb, AB has nearly 20 Blockbusters as per FI. Amazing record!
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October 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM
Also proves that AB Sr & Jeetendra were the only big ticket players in the 70s & 80s while Dharmendra post 75 lost out to these 2 and was relegated more to regular Hits & Semi Hits.
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October 18, 2023 at 12:33 AM
Also, from the same above link:
Diwali To Diwali
(1-11-’97 to 16-10-’98)
* In the 50 weeks between last Diwali and this Diwali, a total of 130 Hindi films have been released. Of these, 26 are dubbed films. The number of releases are more compared to last year when 111 films hit the screen in 55 weeks. Of the 111, there were 23 which were dubbed.
* Of the 130 films, three have been released this week. Of the balance 127, just about 20 were plus fares — ranging from commission-earners to blockbusters. Which means, the percentage of successes was just about 17.
* Dil To Pagal Hai, released on Diwali last year, and Ishq, a few weeks thereafter, proved to be the two blockbusters of the period.
* Pyaar Kiya To Darna Kya and Pyaar To Hona Hi Tha were the two universal hits of the period. Dulhe Raja (super-hit in Bihar), Ghulam (super-hit in Bombay), Bandhan, Chachi 420 and Godzilla (dubbed) were the other notable successes. Satya (blockbuster in Bombay and Maharashtra), Major Saab, Jab Pyaar Kisise Hota Hai, Shapath, Aunty No. 1, Kama Sutra – A Tale Of Love, Maut were some other earning propositions. The English film, Titanic, did outstanding business in India as in the rest of the world. Why, it even celebrated silver jubilee in Bombay and cities of South India. It has so far done a business of over 25 crore in the country.
* The list of debacles during the period under reference was very long. Dil Se.., Jeans (dubed; its original Tamil version was a good success in Tamil Nadu), Qila, Saat Rang Ke Sapne, Yugpurush, Main Solah Baras Ki, Kareeb, Mere Do Anmol Ratan, Sham Ghansham, Achanak, Vishwa Vidhaata, Banarasi Babu, Zor and Salaakhen were among the major disappointments.
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October 18, 2023 at 10:19 PM
CLASSIFICATION : 1992
(Total Releases : 156 , including 15 dubbed)
AA (SUPER HIT) – BETA
A1 (HIT ) – DEEWANA , SHOLA AUR SHABNAM
A (SEMI HIT) – JAAN TERE NAAM , BOL RADHA BOL , JIGAR , AAJ KA GOONDARAJ
BB (OVERFLOW) – TEHALKA (‘A1’ in Delhi-U.P., Rajasthan & East Punjab), Khiladi (‘A’ in Bombay), Police Officer , Balwaan (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P.) , KAL KI AWAZ
B1 (Commission Earner) – Jo Jeeta WOHI Sikandar (‘A’ in Bombay & South ; Losing in several circuits) , ANGAAR (‘A’ in Bombay, Losing in several circuits) , PANAAH, TYAGI (very good in Delhi-U.P. & Rajasthan) , VANSH (‘A’ in Bombay) , PREM DEEWANE (very good in Bombay) , DIL KA KYA KASOOR , POLICE AUR MUJRIM
B (Coverage) – ADHADM, KHUDA GAWAH (good in Bombay , Delhi-U.P.) , JAAGRUTI (good in West Bengal) , SAPNE SAAJAN KE , MERE SAJANA SAATH NIBHANA (good in Delhi-U.P.) , ZULM KI HUKUMAT , JUNOON , DIL HI TOH HAI
THE REST – VIDROHI (good in Delhi-U.P.) , VISHWATMA , CHAMATKAR , RAJU BAN GAYA GENTL (did well in Bombay) , YALGAR , SAHEBZADE, DHARAVI, SARPHIRA, MR BOND , ZINDAGI EK JUAH, JAAN SE PYARA, SURYAVANSHI (did well in B & C centres) , HUMLA , LAAT SAAB , EK LADKA EK LADKI , MASHOOQ , PAYAL , NISHCAY , RADHA KA SANGRAM , KHEL , DEEDAR , JEENA MARNA TERE SANG (commission earner in some circuits) , BEWAFFA SE WAFA , SANGEET , DROHI , GHAR JAMAI , GEET , BALMA
The classification is available with original scan but the seller is commanding too high price of 5K
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October 19, 2023 at 1:02 AM
Thanks!
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October 19, 2023 at 1:26 AM
The list put up by Nahta from 73-97 on FI is a generic list of hits where he has clubbed everything from Super Duper to Hit in the same bracket. But its a good yardstick in these times of fake manufactured hits & bulk bookings (Leo being the latest) for what really was the genuine stardom of AB, Dharam, Jeetendra etc. Especially when you witness the fact that HGOTYs like Suhaag & Naseeb are barely Semi Hits by FIs original yardstick.
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October 19, 2023 at 2:57 AM
I think that list from FI has only listed Superhits and Super Duper Hits from the easter years. Naseeb, Suhaag and Yaarana were probably just Hits from FI classification, which itself is a high bar.
A lot of data revealed in the last few days as far as FI classifications go.
And Thanks again to Heman for the 1992 classification – this completes our collection of the FI verdicts for entire nineties decade (1990-99)!
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October 19, 2023 at 8:21 AM
He has listed Kabhi Kabhi and Yaarana in that list but not listed Suhaag & Naseeb. That’s the funny part. Anyhow we now have all major hits of 70s & 80s & the entire 90s. I wish FI had not stopped these classifications.
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October 19, 2023 at 12:50 PM
Lets see if FI gives out 2023 classification at year end or not. Both Pathaan and Jawaan will be probably Superhits. Gadar 2 should be Super Duper Hit due to its low costs.
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October 19, 2023 at 1:10 PM
Was there a classification for 2022? I only see following: https://filminformation.com/featured/2022-round-up-lessons-learnt-4-january-2023/
They stopped print version in 2019.
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October 19, 2023 at 1:45 PM
There was no classification from FI digital in 2022. The last one was in 2019, but the pandemic broke out in 2020 and there was not many releases in 2020 & 2021. It may be that Nahta has stopped giving yearly classifications for good. That will be a pity.
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October 19, 2023 at 9:40 PM
Shocked to see Kabhi Kabhie and Udhar Ka Sindoor as blockbusters.
I remember reading one interview of 1977 where reader called Udhar Ka Sindoor flop but Jeetendra replied that it did well in certain parts and was not a flop by any mean. Trade Guide placed it in good average category that is certainly average or above average.
Kabhi Kabhie wasn’t hit except Calcutta Delhi and Bombay as per original FI and was putten in Overflow category by them but I’m shocked to see it in blockbuster list. Kasme Vaade (was a big hit in Bombay and Punjab but so-so to above average everywhere). Swarag Narak . Swarag se Sundar. Avtar. Souten were nowhere near being blockbusters.
the list baffling he has removed so many genuine hits of dharam like Yaadon Ki Baaraat (it was just hit by FI because of it high cost though pandits placed it 2nd biggest because of monster collections), Loafer (FI mentioned it AA in Delhi-U.P. and parts of Maharashtra and A1 elsewhere) , Dost , Pratiggya (it was A1 by FI except Bombay), charas , chacha bhatija , Hukumat and Aag Hi Aag.
But then komal declared Insaniyat ke dushman as a flop in rediff though it was overflow or semi hit by FI as much I know.
I think komal has knowingly removed many A1 hits of Dharam.
Though for your information Naseeb. Suhag. Dostana were officially placed in semi hit category
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October 19, 2023 at 11:18 PM
The only reason Naseeb, Suhaag & even Natwarlal were Semi Hits was due to monumental acquisition costs for Desai/AB combo. The former 2 were in fact highest & second highest grossers of the year. And what would Nahta achieve by downgrading Dharam at this stage of their lives? He’s obviously made a generic list based on present day methodology. Too bad if u believe Dharam was at par with AB in the 70s & 80s.
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October 19, 2023 at 9:56 PM
Marcus you should remove that 1982 classification its completely fake and handmade scan. Look at the third class font and editing.
Also at that AAA (Super Duper Hit) and B1 TO BB (Commission To Overflow) categories were not introduced. They were first introduced in 94 and 95 respectively. For this even komal can confirm. Also notice that Katha, Gandhi and Arth were 1983 releases and Umrao Jaan released in 1981 but they has been mentioned in this fake classification.
Arth won awards in 1984 as well. And as much I remember it released in July 1983
Disco Dancer was just only a hit in Mumbai UP and a superhit in Hyderabad but failed in other circuits . Infact shaukeen did much better than it.
Namak Hallal. Nikaah. Vidhaata were officially placed as year’s biggest hit. Trade guide placed nikaah as biggest
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October 20, 2023 at 2:27 AM
Thanks for the note! Its up-to our moderator Munna to remove the fake 1982 scan. I also have doubts about The 1984 scan which looks like a another fake.
And we dont have official FI classifications from 2000 – 22006. The data we have in the main thread for those years are from unauthentic twitter or NG sources.
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October 19, 2023 at 10:25 PM
1979 Classification
AA (Superhit ) – Noorie
A1 (Hit) – Jaani Dushman , Dada , Sargam (except Delhi-U.P.)
A (Semi Hit) – Amardeep , Khandaan , Suhaag , Surakksha , Gol Maal , Man Ka Aangan (dubbed)
BB (Overflow) – Mr Natwarlal , Aatish , Kartavya , Muqabala , Taraana , Nauker , Ahsaas
B1 (Commission) – Sunayana , Bin Phere Hum Tere , Jurmana (good in Bombay) , Jhootha Kahin Ka , Jandaar , Cinema Cinema , Kaala Patthar, Auleha- E -Islam , Raakhi Ki Saugandh , Ladke Baap Se Badke
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October 20, 2023 at 2:50 AM
Thanks! So Suhaag was Semi-Hit and Natwarlal was Overflow. Good to know.
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October 20, 2023 at 3:35 AM
When was the last time the Highest grossing film of the year was a Semi Hit? Has happened only with Devdas I guess and that was Overflow.
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October 20, 2023 at 4:08 AM
Devdas may have been Semi-Hit also. We will have to check that when the data for 2002 becomes available.
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October 20, 2023 at 4:20 AM
These Semi Hits would easily be Super Hits and BBs in these times I guess.
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October 20, 2023 at 5:23 AM
Films like Lagaan, RDB, TZP were Semi-Hits by FI too, which are commonly referred to as Superhits or Blockbusters. So yeah …
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October 20, 2023 at 5:50 AM
No ways that TZP can be a Semi. Its a very small film and an AK production itself.
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October 20, 2023 at 9:48 PM
I was referring to the year-end classification of TZP by FI. It was a late 2007 Christmas release that trended superbly and ran for weeks after weeks in 2008, which would have upgraded its verdict to Superhit for sure (since it was a 15-18 cr budget film that netted 60+ cr back then).
But films like Lagaan and RDB are Semi-hits in true sense as per FI criteria of classifications.
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October 28, 2023 at 3:52 PM
https://filminformation.com/featured/flashback-13-october-2023-from-our-issue-dated-17th-october-1998/
Actually the ratings given here are from Oct 1998 issue and there’s a high probability that a lot of them have been elevated post re-runs and re-releases of certain films, especially those of AB. That alone explains the elevation of films like Kabhi Kabhi and Yaaraana etc.
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November 26, 2023 at 9:50 PM
I fails to understand how Komal classified Bunty Aur Babli as a superhit. It was superhit only in Mumbai and delhi and a average to semi hit everywhere. In some circuits it was below average.
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November 26, 2023 at 11:40 PM
From other thread, Taran’s classification
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December 3, 2023 at 10:17 AM
1975 Half Yearly Verdicts from Taran Adarsh:
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December 29, 2023 at 3:46 AM
1998 CLASSIFICATION
(Total 138 films, including 30 dubbed films)
AAA (Super-Duper Hit)
KUCH KUCH HOTA HAI
AA (Hit)
–
A1 (Hit)
PYAAR TO HONA HI THA (‘AA‘ in Bombay)
PYAAR KIYA TO DARNA KYA (‘AA‘ in Bombay)
SOLDIER (‘AA’ in East Punjab)
A (Semi-Hit)
BANDHAN (‘A1’ in several circuits)
DULHE RAJA (‘AA‘ in Bihar)
BB (Overflow)
JAB PYAAR KISISE HOTA HAI
GHULAM (‘AA‘ in Bombay)
BADE MIYAN CHOTE MIYAN
FIRE (dubbed)
MAUT
MURDA
MIYAN BIVI AUR WOH (dubbed)
B1 to BB (Commission-Earner to Overflow)
MAJOR SAAB (‘A’ in Delhi-U.P.)
KAMA SUTRA – A TALE OF LOVE (dubbed)
AUNTY NO. 1
RATREE MILAN (dubbed)
B1 (Commission-Earner)
SATYA (‘AA‘ in Bombay and C.P. Berar and losing in several circuits)
SPEED 2 (Ab Samandar Pe; dubbed)
DO NUMRI
B to B1 (Coverage to Commission-Earner)
TOMORROW NEVER DIES (dubbed)
CHANDAAL
B (Coverage)
GHARWALI BAHARWALI (losing in some circuits)
MARD
SHAITANI AATMA
SHER-E-HINDUSTAN
GUNDA
ARMAGEDDON (dubbed)
https://filminformation.com/featured/flashback-29-december-2023-from-our-issue-dated-2nd-january-1999/
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May 5, 2024 at 3:34 AM
2005 Classification
Total releases 254 , 54 dubbed
AA (SUPERHIT)
NO ENTRY (‘AAA’ in Bombay, East Punjab and Rajasthan)
BUNTY AUR BABLI
A1 (HIT)
—
A (SEMI HIT)
KYA KOOL HAI HUM
BB (OVERFLOW)
DUS
ZEHER
GARAM MASALA
B1 TO BB (COMMISION TO OVERFLOW)
MAINE PYAAR KYUN KIYA (‘AA’ in Rajasthan, ‘A1’ in Bombay,C.P and East Punjab)
HANUMAN
WAQT THE RACE AGAINST TIME
SARKAR (‘A1’ in Bombay)
B1 (COMMISION EARNER)
KAAL
B TO B1 (COVERAGE TO COMMISION)
PAGE 3 (‘A1’ in Bombay)
BLACK (‘A1’ in West Bengal, ‘BB’ in Bombay, Mysore; Losing in some circuits)
LUCKY NO TIME FOR LOVE
PARINEETA (‘AA’ in West Bengal)
IQBAL (‘BB’ in Bombay, Losing in some circuits)
SALAAM NAMASTE (‘AA’ in Bombay, Losing in several circuits)
KALYUG
APAHARAN (‘AA’ in Bihar, Losing in several circuits)
XXX 2 (dubbed)
KUNG FU MASTER (dubbed)
HARRY POTTER AAG KA PYALA (dubbed)
KING KONG (dubbed)
B (COVERAGE)
STAR WARS EPISODE III SITH KA INTAQAM
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May 6, 2024 at 12:53 AM
Thanks! Please post the verdicts for any other missing years if you have them.
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