Qalandar’s Note on GANGS OF WASSEYPUR II (Hindi; 2012)

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I hadn’t thought there would be much to write on Gangs of Wasseypur II; in the sense that I’d thought it would be just like the first film (my review HERE; discussion thread HERE) — indeed director Anurag Kashyap had gone to some lengths in stressing that we were dealing with one film here, and that the second film was simply the latter half of a whole. This, to my mind, and especially because I had enjoyed Nawazuddin Siddiqui’s character the most in the first film (he looked to be the lead protagonist in the second), was, in my mind, a good thing.

Ouch. I didn’t enjoy the second outing very much. The most glaring problem is the rather poor characterization, compounded by the rather un-cinematic way it is brought about. Unlike in the first film, Piyush Mishra’s voice-over routinely provides a substitute for it: for instance, he tells us that Faisal Khan is greedy and obsessed with money, and the film immediately acts as if that were true. But nothing that has gone before shows any such thing (indeed, the first film located the source of the shadow that hangs over Faisal in a childhood trauma associated with seeing his mother intimate with his uncle). So too with Ramadhir’s son, who is consistently depicted as weak and spineless — except when he suddenly isn’t that way. There’s more shoddiness as additional sons of Sardar Khan sons are introduced — Perpendicular and Definite — but the former without any purpose: he hogs the screen for his thirty minutes, before exiting the story, without any discernible impact. Ditto for the way in which various characters are bumped off; it all seems rather rushed, and by the end of it all, this viewer was left wondering where the interesting, twisted Faisal of the first part had vanished.

And then there’s the long awaited climax, Faisal Khan’s reckoning with Ramadhir, a pornography of blood, gore, and guns devoid of any dramatic impact. [Or necessity: the film ends because at some point, Faisal Khan decides it’s time to take out Ramadhir, without regard to any of the constraints that presumably prevented him from doing so over the preceding couple of hours.] Ramadhir, easily the most interesting character in the second film, deserved better. Much has been written on Kashyap’s de-construction of the Bollywood epic mode, of his eye-rolling at the pretensions of these preening characters who imagine themselves heroes and kings — certainly that’s the only way to make sense of Ramadhir Singh’s extended aside on cinema, and how it makes chootiyas of us all — but Kashyap’s vision suffers from a lack of clarity. To be blunt, the film can’t decide between such “de-construction” and the titillation of the gun. And titillation there certainly is, the sort of wild-eyed, orgiastic shooting that is the hallmark of what puerile men imagine other, more violent (secretly admired and desired) men do, whether in the underworld, or somewhere out there in Bihar’s badlands. For all the references to cinema that, a la Iruvar, enable the viewer to date the proceedings, Kashyap’s gun-play allows us to meta-date his position in the RGVerse of a decade ago, and films like Satya and Company. Ah, for the days of Gangs of Wasseypur I, when the katta meant a different pace. There’s no denying that the rhythms of gun violence are surely different, and have presumably made a difference to Wasseypur, but precisely because these are susceptible to mere on-screen sensationalism, representing them in cinema requires greater thought than this film displays.

But then there’s the final scene, with the three survivors in Mumbai in 2009, leading a rather normal life, before the camera pans left to rest on the large mosque in Goregaon. Kashyap compresses a whole narrative about migrants, about the histories they are heir to and carry with them, about the way in which the metropolises that we imagine are far removed from those histories are themselves shaped by them, into a few seconds, some of the best film-making in either movie. The scene can’t make up for the film’s failings, but it does remind us that Kashyap has the potential to be his industry’s leading director; this film does not make good on that promise.

168 Responses to “Qalandar’s Note on GANGS OF WASSEYPUR II (Hindi; 2012)”

  1. That final shot redeems the whole movie actually. Especially glad that you were able to identify the mosque. I had friends from Malad who wondered where it was!

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    • I’d love to take all the credit for that, but a close friend (herself not a Mumbaikar) reminded me — not sure if I would have gone beyond “Hey, I’ve seen that mosque!” without her…

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      • PS — it’s her favorite mosque in the city…

        Aside: I’m reminded of Black Friday. Isn’t it funny how good Kashyap is on the terrain of Bombay? (Think about the scene in Dharavi in No Smoking, and some other sequences too.) It makes me look forward to Bombay Velvet more than to any other Kashyap film.

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        • Absolutely. In fact, even for Satya, RGV credits Kashyap with all the locations from the tabela in Jogeshwari to the lanes in Matunga, etc. Remember Kashyap lived in Nalla Sopara during his early days in Mumbai, and he’s travelled the ‘common’ way the most than any other contemporary filmmaker. He is aware of BEST routes even.

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        • Abzee, since u are the man in these matters i thought u must be knowing this- aren’t the tabelands shown in Satya belong to the Satara region?

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      • 🙂 Now that you’ve been made aware of the mosque, you must also try the beef-seekh kebabs that one gets in the lane adjacent to it.

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  2. Coming back to the twin films though, what was frustrating was that it seemed to operate on one level as a narrative of the migrant history from pre-independence right down to present-day while on another level it seems to deconstruct the whole myth of a single-goal Bollywood hero as idolized by an entire nation fed on such cinema; but ultimately it works on neither level as the film continues to descend into what Rangan calls a postmodern joke, where the waiting doesn’t really lead to anything. In fact, Kashyap seems to be making a confession with the Ramadhir Singh dialogue, except that he’s made chutiyas of us with the two films. So it is full of texture and interesting characters and subversive score, but to what end! Nothing at all. As I’d said earlier as well, GoW would’ve worked far better as a mini-series where one doesn’t mind an episode or two to build up a secondary character colourfully who doesn’t really do much to the overall plot a la Perpendicular.

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    • Re: “as the film continues to descend into what Rangan calls a postmodern joke, where the waiting doesn’t really lead to anything”

      …and in fact, the film relies on the same “old Bollywood” narrative for much of its impact, with (un-) ironic shot after (un-) ironic shot….

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      • Lol@ironic and unironic..
        Reminds me of something I had read recently..
        “Irony regards every simple truth as a challenge!”
        Ps:
        Though kashyap seems to be settling some matters with bollywood, he can’t seem to settle his own ‘subconscious influences of bollywood!’
        Thats Y Subconscious is called ‘sub’ haha

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    • abzee…I enjoyed Mirch. Do share anything you want to from the film. Not sure if it is reviewed here on SS.

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  3. Brilliant note there qalander
    Will read it fully after seeing the film..
    That reminds me —
    Not sure what the exact day/date is but apparently ek that tiger has an ‘Eid release’-releases tomorrow
    Best wishes for Eid to
    Qalander, Naveed, oldgold and others….

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  4. Saurabh- All of Satya, except the Tu Mere Paas Bhi Hai song, is shot in Mumbai. Every frame is identifiable.

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    • Oh! Thanks for the info Abzee. Actually i only made that point bcos when i recently visited Satara (since i am currently based in Sangli) i was told by a local guy that parts of the film were shot in Satara and Wai. He said the same abt Omkara too

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      • He is right about Omkara. Wai in fact is one of the most oft-shot Bollywood location. Omkara, Dabanng, Swades, etc. have all been shot in Wai. He probably must’ve meant the song from Satya as that was shot outside of Mumbai, and from the looks of it it looks either like Malshej or Wai in Satara.

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        • shanghai was shot in latur to i guess (maharashtra only)….i may be wrong but correct me and while watching it i saw a thanks to ritesh deshmukh in credit and ironically it was mocking political system and these are so called rebels today

          btw death of vilashrao deshmukh was a big event in Maharashtra today…aside only problem i have with people like kashyap and bhandarkar is jitna kachda hai nahi utna se bhi zyada bhi dikhane ki koshish karte hai and they hide behind this notion of hyper realism

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  5. Wonderful discussion here Qalandar, Abzee.

    Qalandar, loved the last paragraph in your note.

    Incidentally Bachchan too seems to have preferred the first part.

    By the way did you ever see the Rakta Charitra double. Have long been waiting for someone to comparing these two ‘doubles’. The problem is people keep throwing up everyone from Ray to Cervantes and how those poor mortals can’t compete with Kashyap. And here there’s the most obvious comparison with the RGV work.

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    • @ Q
      loved your last paragraph.it made an observation which was very original and something i had missed.
      but your overall analysis of the film is very uncharitable.first you have paid a half hearted lip service to the theme of subversion.then you have not talked about the amazing ,gritty hyper realism in the movie.
      what is hyper realism? when reality becomes a notion and loses its touch from the real.characters like definite,perpendicular,tangent are the products of the mess which wasseypur is.if u visit bihari colleges and schools you will come across such specimens.
      Lastly you comparison of kashyap violence with the Rgv….is something i suspect no intelligent man like you ought to do.
      i am sorry but totally disappointed with your review.

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      • Anjali Jee, I have been reading your posts and I have come to conclusion that you indeed are gifted with an acumen to understand the complexity of cinema. would love to see you post on this forum as your ideas are always original and not the genereal run-of-mill analysis that most of the commentators come up with.
        please keep writing.

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    • this is a very interesting point:

      “For all the references to cinema that, a la Iruvar, enable the viewer to date the proceedings, Kashyap’s gun-play serves us to meta-date his position in the RGVerse of a decade ago, and films like Satya and Company. “

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    • Thanks Satyam — Sadly I haven’t seen either Rakta Charitra, but they are on the list…

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    • hyperbole alert “how those poor mortals can’t compete with Kashyap.”
      Now where did you hear/see/read that Satyam?! BTW. How are you feeling today?

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      • feeling ok Di.. thanks.

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        • When people watch B. Supremacy (and not Legacy) they automatically become o.k. Damon has these effects on people 🙂

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        • Ha! I’ve actually seen the whole trilogy twice. The first one is just ok in my books, the second and third are much better, principally because these are visually excellent films. But the plot keeps getting more and more outlandish. This is why I liked the new one. It was a much more basic film! In a critical sense though the second and third films are the best, the former might be the very best. But I found Legacy to be a great joy ride! On Damon as I’ve said before I never quite bought him as Bourne and not a great fan even otherwise.

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      • On this very blog some have called him India’s greatest filmmaker (ever!), greater than Shakespeare and Cervantes (and all other great writers put together), on and on.. then you should see some of the stuff Kashyap retweets. This guy who think GoW is the third great Indian epic after the ramayana and the mahabharata! On and on and on. I could make a whole post of such claims if I just collected what has been said here and then on the tweets.

        Utkal’s views are considerably more moderate here. Comparing GoW to Marquez and Cervantes actually seems restrained given his comparisons of Cocktail with Guru Dutt.

        All of this seems outrageous but this is why we have a world where Bachchan’s iconic parts are done by some of the actors who ended up doing them and a world where such remakes are attempted with such incredible ‘poverty’ of thought. If Cocktail is like Kaagaz ke Phool and Pyaasa I think SRK made a very successful (fully realized) remake with Don!

        Don’t mean to pick on Utkal here (actually I do.. if you say certain things you must be willing to take the incoming.. though Utkal sets himself over Bazin even.. so this doesn’t necessarily faze him) but this kind of commentary, which would be utterly shocking in the destitution of its thought if it weren’t also so earnestly delivered, is regrettably par for the course these days. This is a world once again where Johar can pretend SRK-Kajol are like Raj Kapoor-Nargis, where every half-better film from Bollywood changes the contours of Indian cinema forever (!) but no one can spell Adoor’s name!

        I used to think that the industry was bankrupt when the Yashraj wave was at its height but even though the filmmaking has improved dramatically over the last decade (or since the Yashraj peak) the commentary has actually gotten worse. From the reviewers to the bloggers people simply don’t know what they’re talking about. Some are under the mistaken notion that saying things with bravado and doubling down or tripling down or quadrupling down on these claims makes for serious thought!

        Don’t mean to be harsh on anyone here in particular but it is true that much of the commentary is symptomatic of this overall bankruptcy. By the way everyone knows that I’m all for the iconoclastic in every single way. But that’s not the point here. Because anything worthy of that label is far more serious.

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        • Oh..didn’t know. Poor guy (A.K) struggled for 20 years. Now he is getting some recognision. I don’t think he considers himself “the greatest”.
          Utkalji is normal..I mean has most of the time balanced views on stuff.
          Even the greatest make terrible movie…or greatest actor could be lousy in some movies. And movie making is such a team effort.
          I for one personally, don’t want to carry “the best” title in anything. Imagine the great burden. The best cook…and look this dish is so bad. I would like to be “good most of the time” category 😉

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  6. @Q: Haven’t watched GOW2 and was wondering why you hadn’t seen it and had not reviewed it yet! So what did you think of Huma/mohsina and Faisal’s romance? I wonder if people go to see part 2 with high expectations and feel disappointed. I know that when you see part one (of any movie) there is zero expectations.

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  7. omrocky786 Says:

    Yeh Toh hona hee thaaaa….
    Kashyap key chamchey aapas mein lad rahe hain…..
    http://moifightclub.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/make-up-your-mind-mr-kashyap/

    1.JSB‏@jahanbakshi

    @shubhaS … To publish a letter which seems pretty personal (by ‘personal’ I do not imply holding personal agenda) & lacking general value

    2.Shubha Shetty‏@shubhaS

    @jahanbakshi jaise tum tweet ka rahe ho without tagging me. I wrote an open letter and did not email to him. Simple.

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  8. omrocky786 Says:

    Great honest review Qalandar..

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  9. omrocky786 Says:

    Aside- Kashyaps ( and his chamchas) are not as active on twitter as they were when GOW-1 released…nikal gayee Hekdeee…..aaakh thooooo!!! LOL!!

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    • kya baat hai saheb 😉

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    • omrocky786 Says:

      Di Jee aap kaha gayee thee ? permisson leny chaiye thee na jaaney sey pehle …LOL..
      aise thode naa hota hai, jab marzee aa gaye , jab marzee chale gaye …LOL

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    • lol kyon ki part 2 chali nahi ….even in terms of gross can’t see outgrossing first part even in case of sequel which is a case of not being liked

      these exaggeration where nothing when pfc ( a bunch of sycophants) was running where in names of different cinema only a certain lobbies where promoted

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      • omrocky786 Says:

        even part 1 was more hyped than an actual hit……

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        • ya wannabe godfather oh no may be another carvan or shakespere tale whatever it was atleast basic reaserch about the place should have been proper which was not there

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  10. Looks like a great review, Q. Will read it once I watch it.

    Saw GOW 1, very entertaining in parts with a sarcastic streak throughout but that’s about it for me. Best scene imo opinion is the “Kasam Paida Karne Wala ki” song, it really makes one laugh.

    The movie has some serious pacing issues though and never really gets going. If Kashyap’s intention was to subvert the genre of revenge movies and remove the revenge part out of it completely, then he has done it all too well. What Tarantino achieved with Kill Bill (and even Inglorious Bastards although this isn’t a proper revenge film) was a much better attempt at staying true to the revenge theme and still managing to include dollops of humor. Completely different movies I know, but still those worked better for me.

    As for the hyperbole on this blog, let’s just say, when I saw Cocktail being compared with Guru Dutt, I think I died a little lol.

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  11. Henry,LOL!

    Kashyap and his small band of loyal followers. They think he is the greatest thing since vada-paav!

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  12. omrocky786 Says:

    Satyam – did you watch GOW-1 yet?? it is out on DVD @ India weekly…

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  13. As was the case with the first film, I’ll be saving this review for after my viewing. Whenever the hell that happens!

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  14. Anyways,

    Happy 66th Independence Day to everyone here and same to Pakistani frnds, belated though

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  15. This is what utkal uncle said about GOW in some other thread (which was closed for mysterious reasons)

    “GOW is a multi-layered cultural product that mixes conventional narrative, drama, songs, buffoonery, folk humour, linguistic invention ( Womaniya, Setrightway karo, ), pop culture, poetry ( Ek bagal mein chand), in a crazy mix that also has a unique auteur’s signature.
    In the end, it is a fiercely original work so steeped in Indian roots and speaking a new cinematic language.”

    This is the best summing up of this film. Even Bhardwaj Rangan could not have expressed the sheer ambition of the film so succinctly.
    I totally agree,it will take years and years to fathom the scope of it’s brilliance.
    This movie could become the Midnight’s Children of Indian movies and won all the accolades in the west had Kashyap pandered to the stereotypical western model. But it is so fiercely original and steeped in Indian roots that all the references utkal talked about( drama, songs, buffoonery, folk humour, linguistic invention ( Womaniya, Setrightway karo, ), pop culture, poetry ( Ek bagal mein chand), in a crazy mix)….were not easily identifiable and understood by the west in translation and because of the cultural difference.

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  16. “GOW is a multi-layered cultural product that mixes conventional narrative, drama, songs, buffoonery, folk humour, linguistic invention ( Womaniya, Setrightway karo, ), pop culture, poetry ( Ek bagal mein chand), in a crazy mix that also has a unique auteur’s signature.
    In the end, it is a fiercely original work so steeped in Indian roots and speaking a new cinematic language.”

    This is the best summing up of this film

    wah wah its even better than dirty picture-raging bull analogy the first which caught my eye

    original work my foot as if its first of its revenge saga among generation unlike godfather …as if its proper to native place

    http://movies.ndtv.com/movie_story.aspx?Section=Movies&ID=ENTEN20120208423&subcatg=MOVIESINDIA&keyword=bollywood&nid=239512

    poetry in form of highest order of abuses and what not

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  17. even perpendicular , tangent and defnite are the most realistic character ….btw its taken from western greek adaptation star war only

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  18. Gang of Wasseypur is Funny,macabre,disgusting,blasphemous,pathetic,horrifying,emetic,erotic,it is an endless delirium, an outrageous phantasmagoria pullulating with a kind of anti-life…..Anurag Kashyap is one of the master fabulists of our age.

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    • “”Gang of Wasseypur is Funny,macabre,disgusting,blasphemous,pathetic,horrifying,emetic,erotic,it is an endless delirium, an outrageous phantasmagoria pullulating with a kind of anti-life…..Anurag Kashyap is one of the master fabulists of our age.”
      Hohoho anjali is on fire 🙂

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  19. “some other thread (which was closed for mysterious reasons)”– haha 😉
    “had Kashyap pandered to the stereotypical western model. But it is so fiercely original and steeped in Indian roots..”
    Agree–infact it seems so real (infact ‘hyper real’) and rooted, that even most conventional Bollywood viewers especially of a certain ‘privileged’ background cannot really fathom it..
    “gargantuan scope of this angry..crazy epic!”
    What buzz words wow

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  20. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    Satyam: I did not say Cocktail was better ir as good as Pyaasa or Kagz Ke Phool. I had said the creative use of songs like Yaariyan, Lootna and Jugni, and their picturization was as good as Gurudutt. ( I did that by posting a song clip and annotating it shot by shot. It’s not something I pulled out of thin air.) And again about Marquez and Ceravntes, I did not say GOW was as good as Hundred Years of Solitude or Don Quixote, but that GOW with its expressionistic depiction belongs to that territory ,rather than Godfather with its straight narrative.

    At a broader context, I dont believe in the cult of worshiping past icons and precluding the possibility that current artistes can be greater than them. I have no patience with the Indian tradition of heaping all the accolades on people who are dead and gone or are past their active prime.

    I pronounced AR Rahman a genius after Roja, Bombay, Gentleman and rangeela. And I think he is as great a composer as Mozart and his music will live a few hundred years. ( as indeed will the music of Ilyaraja, another divinely gifted composer). And I like to make that call now while he is in his 40s rather than when he is dead. I do believe Rajkumar Hirani and Anurag Kashyap are among the greatest Indian directors ever. And I am making that call now after 3 or 4 films of theirs rather than 10.

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    • straight narrative of godfather inspired million of movies in different languages and filmmakers and its script is part of u.s heritage

      i have no problem when people say deepika in a certain cocktale was better than meena kumri but there should be valid comparison first

      rahman was termed the future genious in media much earlier:

      here it is just after roza

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    • Be careful not to hurt yourself when snapping your own suspenders. You’re hardly the first to call Rahman a genius for the ages! Or Raaja for that matter. But the company you keep in making similar statements about Kashyap is let’s say a bit less thoughtful about these things than those who have said such stuff about true masters.

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    • “At a broader context, I dont believe in the cult of worshiping past icons and precluding the possibility that current artistes can be greater than them. I have no patience with the Indian tradition of heaping all the accolades on people who are dead and gone or are past their active prime.”
      With certain clauses, that was a brilliant statement …

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  21. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    Incidentally, I am just back from seeing GOW 1 and GOW 2 back to back with my college-going son. He loved it. The show for the GOW 2 was houseful, and I had to see it from the front row.

    But yes, I liked Part 1 marginally better than Part 2. ( My son who hadn’t seen either parts before, thought of the two parts as one film and wont comment on Part 1 or 2 separately)

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    • @ utkal uncle : “back to back with my college-going son…”
      u are great…
      Btw u said u watched cocktail thrice…did u watch that with your son or…..(only if u can disclose)

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    • @ utkal uncle….i liked part 2 more than 1 🙂

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    • Btw utkal uncle : by honestly mentioning your ‘college going son’ u have broken the hearts of many females posting / readin the blog..
      Many (like anjali) secretly found u an ‘ideal romantic’ and so on and fanatisised about u …
      But this ‘disclosure’ has broken a few (young) hearts 🙂

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  22. The day kashyap signs a film with either of the two bachchans will be an interesting day… 🙂
    Not only since I want to see a kashyap film with senior bachchan but it will be curious to note a ‘paradigm shift’ on this blog hahaha..
    Ps: I am not an anurag kashyap die hard fan nor have I even seen GoW — but even a casual viewing of other kashyap works is enough to illustrate his brilliance..
    Not saying he is alltime best or anything like that since that is personal choice
    @ the same time, it’s a bit amusing to see the vehemence and emphatic urge to put an indigenous brilliant film maker down …

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    • omrocky786 Says:

      Re.-The day kashyap signs a film with either of the two bachchans will be an interesting day
      I guess you have not seen Satyam and GF dissing Yashraj/ Johar on a regular basis here..,
      Re.-indigenous brilliant film maker down
      That too- my Buoy is a matter of personal preference…. LOL!

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      • That’s what I’m saying -my ‘big’ buoy 🙂
        Things can be compared–
        But comparing yashraj/ johar or even the likes of rohan sippy (!!)
        To anurag kashyap is a ‘bit’ misplaced (using any ‘spin’)
        And one doesn’t have to be a kashyap fan to see that…

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        • omrocky786 Says:

          I am not sure about the misplacing here…
          Rohan grew up in Bombay- he makes Bombay centric movies, Johar gre up in La La land- he makes La La Land centric movies, and Kashyap grew up in Hindiland- he made a movie on Wasseypur…..

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        • You are right omrocky about the ‘setting’
          But ‘setting’ is incidental –(be it Bombay, Lala land or hind land)
          ‘class’ and ‘brilliance’ is not …
          Btw I’m NOT one of the kashyap fans –infact have seen only two or three of his films..But they were enough.
          But can’t see how he can be compared to even rohan sippy, forget kjo/yashraj ….

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        • omrocky786 Says:

          But Satyam’s entire argument always has been that Kashyap is an above average director but the way his chamchas refer to him as GOD is ridiculous…..

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        • I wouldn’t say he’s ‘above average’. He is definitely a very interesting director, one of the industry’s bright talents. I do think however (I haven’t seen GoW) that BF remains his best film and the rest of his stuff his either minor or not fully realized. I very much doubt (having read a lot of commentary on GoW) that this film will change my overall impression. But nonetheless I haven’t seen it.

          But yes the entire argument here is about the ridiculous lengths to which people go in praising him.

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        • Even ‘chamchaas’ or ‘lack of them’ has no bearing on the rating of a persons ability 🙂
          (irritating it maybe)

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        • omrocky786 Says:

          bhaad mein gayee aisee ability……which is limited to only his chamchas and a few more….

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        • That should apply to almost any ‘auteur’ or auteuristic lovers since by definition, their following is much less than ‘mainstream’
          Similarly to those whose audience is limited to a certain subgroup/region…
          And all those following the likes of Bella tarr, adoor are ‘chamchas’ 😉

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        • Except that the fans of Adoor seem to be far more restrained and sophisticated than Kashyap’s. Haven’t yet heard an Adoor fan say anything close to the completely senseless stuff that is routinely said about Kashyap.

          Again you’re just saying this stuff without thinking..

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    • Alex, some are unable to distinguish between criticism of a director’s acolytes and perhaps the general environment fostered by both and the actual value of the films. The two are very different subjects.

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    • If he signs a Bachchan he’d only continue his tradition of working with strong actors and he will presumably continue to make good films. None of us have said the contrary last time I checked.

      But Bachchans or not, I don’t see anything changing about the commentary here about some of the stuff he sometimes indulges in. Don’t see why this is difficult to understand.

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      • “about the commentary here about some of the stuff he sometimes indulges in.”
        Many including me don’t like the ‘commentary he indulges in’
        But here we are rating him as a film maker not his ‘public posturing’ / attitudes / PR/politics 🙂

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        • I agree that we’re rating him as a filmmaker but part of this entails addressing some of the preposterous comparisons that get bandied about. This is what you don’t seem to get. The atmosphere of hyperbole that Kashyap acolytes indulge in and that the man himself encourages is something some of us find ludicrous but calling it so to you seems the same as saying he’s a bad filmmaker. This is not the case at all. Here’s the thing – there are people who simply don’t like criticism of any sort when it’s leveled against someone they admire. And they will use all sorts of arguments (sometimes very repetitive ones) to evade what’s actually being said by the perceived “opposition” even if this means misreading them completely.

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  23. I am not a fan girl of Kashyap. But I want to ask one question.
    Suppose midnight’s children was written in Hindi. By a man from say..UP….the humor and the puns and the subversiveness and the abuses and all those things in it were rooted deeply in the indian milieu….were inspired by the authentically Indian cultural matrix.
    can we imagine that book getting the kind of international recognition Midnight’s Children in English by Rushdie did?
    The abuses and idiosyncrasies and buffoonery and stretching of a metaphor….. Rushdie indulges in English becomes art because it has the patronage of west….But if Kashyap indulges in the same in Hindi….taking inspiration from the Indian roots…it becomes gaalibaazi…..
    How unsure we Indians are of ourselves!
    Hundred years of solitude and tin drum and other epics of modern literature were all written in the native languages….but here if someone strives to do something similar in the native idiom..the English speaking ppl call him over indulgent!
    It is this aspect which pisses me off. Unless and until we are fearless in expressing our creativity in the way we feel….we will be doomed to remain copycats….

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    • why midnight childen …

      what about munshi premchand , tagore or for that matter even ray as writer …. do they not enjoy cult status and they used to write on authentic culture mix

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      • and this excuse of native is as ridiculous as one can get

        is gow based on a genuine literature first but ya i do remember essence of no smoking which was lifted from stephen king’s quitters without giving any credit or inspiration

        genious don’t do that

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      • @ we r talking about a certain kind of film making or writing…which is characterized by expressionism,subversion and super abundance of metaphors.
        premchad,tagore,ray…r not applicable to this discourse.their style is completely different.

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        • they are my dear get your facts correct…before kashyap other have used that metaphor and subversion more prominently rather than copying them from western cinema only which is the case with him:

          btw don’t confuse style(which here is the limitation in genre) to tackle out vast themes

          hyperbole is good but exaggerated hyperbole should come up only when you have a certain body of work

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  24. criticizing every tom dick and harry on social networking sites who don’t agree with your film analogy and be a big mouth put off many people rather than any xyz star

    kashyap has a biggest fallout with salman(remember dabang) rather than bachchan or any star and its ego problem

    and ya the so called greatest film maker was mentored by mani ratnam and rgv

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  25. When did tweets or ego problems become the gauge of a persons ability..
    Why can’t folks here see anurag kashyap beyond his so called anti bachchan tweets !!!
    As simple as that….. Haha

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  26. here we are taling about ability only …if you can’t gauge i can’t help you

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    • Satyam:
      It’s a matter of personal choice
      Whilst I’m personally not in favor of superlatives and calling kashyap the greatest thing since sliced bread in Indian films and so on
      I somehow don’t find that claim repulsive…
      Since we are taking about a film maker with a certain distinctive undeniable original ability
      Forget about the ‘subversion’or Bollywood analogies or the rustic heartland allegories etc
      Purely in terms of shot taking, scene conceptualisation and a certain ‘grammar’ in film making — he is just too good..
      And forget about others, I don’t even think Satyam (in the heart of his hearts) denies that 🙂
      Ps: why not acknowledge rate him by his works and not by his ‘loud mouth’ , ‘anti bachchan tirades’, ‘anti establishment tendencies’ and other undeniable issues with his ‘peronsality’
      Since we are not judging his ‘personality’ or leanings
      Also let’s not compare him to other greats like ray/gur dutt etc –not only are they difficult to compare
      But to compare people of that ability, the ‘judges’ also have to have some credentials –which is beyond the scope of blogs etc
      But if anyone disputes his obvious brilliance, ability and standing, dont agree with that (infact question the ‘understanding’ of that person besides the ‘agenda’)-again just my personal opinion

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      • omrocky786 Says:

        Naseerudin Shah has said some really nasty stuff about Big B, but he has always been and will always be in my Top 5 actors list….

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        • ^^That’s what it should be like omrocky …
          But u are not Satyam 🙂

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        • omrocky786 Says:

          I am not Satyam, I am human… and so I do have my biases, Satyam however can spin the shit out of all kinds of biases….LOL
          he is the Arun Shourie here …

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        • “Satyam however can spin the shit out of all kinds of biases”
          Because he creates bigger spins
          Infact ‘doosras’ and lately a ‘teesra’ as well– the one that goes straight after promising to ‘spin’ 😉

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        • those who cannot argue on the merits make it about this extraneous stuff. I’ve for example spent forever dissing many of Bachchan’s own films on his blog. This whole line that critiquing Kashyap has something to do with his Bachchan comments is absurd! And actually he hasn’t said anything about Bachchan. He’s said he’s upset about something he did/said but has never specified it. He’s been harsh on Abhishek but that’s another matter.

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      • I actually do find it repulsive and I don’t even consider this a debatable matter. A statement that is extraordinarily hyperbolic and not defended by any serious thought becomes meaningless. Everyone has a right to an opinion but not every opinion has to be considered sane! I have extremely high regard for Rathnam but at no moment was I in danger of confusing him with Ray and no matter how much I adore so many of his films. So one has to reasonable about these things. You can make the case for your preferences but not by just piling hyperbole upon hyperbole. Discuss the film, tell us why it’s so great, but not by relying on abstractions and so on. And certainly not by making ridiculous claims. I worship Rahman but I don’t say he’s greater than Beethoven and Bach put together which is what some of the commentary on GoW has been like. So whether one finds it repulsive or not such statements are meaningless. And by the way one can indulge in some of these juxtapositions. So sure let’s compare GoW with Marquez (of course Wasseypur is not at all a fictional place like Macondo) or Cervantes or whoever. But make the case! Don’t just throw out names! Whatever emotional reaction one does or doesn’t have to such claims the whole ‘hey I don’t mind it’ attitude means one has either not understood what the debate is about or shares the general obtuseness in these matters. Hate to put it so bluntly but this is what it amounts to. And again I am not at all obsessed here with greatness lists or whatever. I am just interested in some sanity! which can be an ambitious goal given some of the discussions! Once again even iconoclasm has to be premised on serious thought. It’s not an ‘anything goes’ deal!

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  27. Also Satyam : on a lighter note–
    Two utterings (that I can remember) will remain etched as some ‘ordinary’ moments in your illustrative ‘career’ of a film cineaste
    A) trying to not only equate but establish a certain ‘superiority’ of rohan sippy (even he himself will be surprised!) over anurag kashyap
    B) watching cock tail and noticing nothing but deepikas red bikini ( and viewing that ad nauseum) on rewind
    🙂

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    • Alex, on the first point since I don’t recall saying that Rohan Sippy was superior to Kashyap (perhaps you could pull up this comment) barring in terms of his formal registers where I suggested he was second to none in contemporary Bollywood (and I stand by that.. people can have preferences here but he’s in that league) I don’t think I need to answer that!

      On the second point there’s some irony in responding to that to a person who has never used anything but ‘Panty’ for the second female lead’s name. This is to not even get into your sexual innuendo-laden comments (and spellings) at any and every juncture! But to nonetheless respond to that comment one more time (!) I would suggest there are two kinds of viewers. Those who consider Cocktail an example of fine cinema and those who appreciate Ms Phadukone in the bikini. Only the latter display some taste!

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  28. “Suppose midnight’s children was written in Hindi. By a man from say..UP….the humor and the puns and the subversiveness and the abuses and all those things in it were rooted deeply in the indian milieu….were inspired by the authentically Indian cultural matrix.
    can we imagine that book getting the kind of international recognition Midnight’s Children in English by Rushdie did?
    The abuses and idiosyncrasies and buffoonery and stretching of a metaphor….. Rushdie indulges in English becomes art because it has the patronage of west….But if Kashyap indulges in the same in Hindi….taking inspiration from the Indian roots…it becomes gaalibaazi…..
    How unsure we Indians are of ourselves!
    Hundred years of solitude and tin drum and other epics of modern literature were all written in the native languages….but here if someone strives to do something similar in the native idiom..the English speaking ppl call him over indulgent!”
    Wow– what a deep comment…
    That dovetails onto the other point I made few days earlier
    About the dark knight rises!!
    Made by Nolan the great and a ‘fitting finale to a trilogy’
    All I saw was an ambitious corpulent but faulty patulous take lacking calibre and true class
    Which is not a surprise
    But what was the bigger surprise was the ‘muted criticism’ (infact there was no ‘criticism’ as such) here and elsewhere in the Indian media –why?
    Is Nolan too big to go wrong– what the heck!!
    He was crap in that film, period!
    If one applies these unattainable standards to kashyap, why is Nolan not being ‘raped’ 🙂

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    • In GF’s thread I think some of us have been less than celebratory about the new Dark Knight but hey I don’t want to put you at a disadvantage by asking you to read all of it!

      Alex, you’re better than this!

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      • Sometimes having to ‘read’ can also be a bit too much
        Am used to spoon feeding (by hot girls) 🙂

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        • thanks for making my point once more! I shall concede the debate at this point since I am unsure about where this is going!

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        • “I shall concede the debate at this point”
          Yaaiyyy
          Enjoyed the win
          C’mon anjali : wheres the champagne …and my ‘gift’ 🙂

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        • omrocky786 Says:

          Q will probably faint in the morning seeing so many faltu comments on his thread ..LOL

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        • Those who write ‘reviews’ on others works, should be ready to have their own ‘analysed and played with ‘ haha
          Ps : something like not changing clothes with lights on ….or glass houses 🙂

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        • ya so many faltu comments rocky on sex and now calling other mental bankrupt or not

          satyam: be strict on moderation

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      • Where are the ‘less than celebratory’ articles btw for further reference ..
        Ps: ‘less than celebrstory’ is not the same as ‘criticism’ and even ‘ripping apart’ that this deserved somewhat (given the expectations/promise/prestige)

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        • read the comments in the relevant thread..

          and once again no one is attacking Kashyap’s films. Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend.

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  29. Talking of Indian current film makers, the ones I truly respect and admire their craft–to repeat–in no order
    Maniratnam
    Kamalhassan
    Anurag kashyap
    Shekhar kapoor
    Only
    Ps: the choice of kapoor always raises eyebrows and agree that he hasn’t made anything for zeons (& may not in the future as well)
    But with all the toehr three names, there is a certain genre or style or leaning..
    Bandit queen, mr India, elizabeth and finally his greatest film ever masoom are as different as any in terms of genre …

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    • omrocky786 Says:

      agree on Mani,Kamal and Shekhar..will replace Dibanker Banerjee with Kashyap and would include Raju Hirani to the mix…

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      • Ya that’s a reasonable list omrocky…
        I personally think that dibakar banerjee is v good but somehow doesn’t have a signature like kashyap
        Hirani again is an apt choice though he is more of a social scientist (of popular sentiment) than a film maker …
        But again — good choices …

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      • omrocky786 Says:

        Kashyap ka signature uskey Chamcho kee banai hui hype hai…….DB has KKG, OLLO and LSD …Shanghai was pretty weak IMO!!

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        • Well, dibakar is a good choice and One can’t disagree
          Loved all three of his films..
          Ps: omg: theron in a tie in ‘head in clouds’!
          Incidentally tie was all she wore…..

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        • agreed on Shanghai.. nothing special here. Better than most other Bollywood fare but that’s not saying much. Pretty disappointing Kashyap called this better than Z.

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  30. @ alex
    “Trying to not only equate but establish a certain ‘superiority’ of rohan sippy (even he himself will be surprised!) over anurag kashyap.”

    Hahaha…you don’t know the full story? the poor guy(rohan sippy) went on a trip…some kind of an extended mental vacation after reading that comment by Satyam. It is reported, that Rohan Sippy woke up the next day and announced to his near and dear ones that he is indeed..Napolean Bonaparte!
    The family members thought he is playing a prank,but he kept on insisting through the day that he is Napolean and making grandiloquent claims. So by the evening a lie detector machine was brought and he was fitted into it…to find out the truth.
    He was asked: Are you Napolean Bonaparte?
    Rohan Sippy smiled mischievously and said ……No.
    And the lie detecting machine said he is lying!

    I hope the poor guy is fine now.

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  31. Haha anjali
    Btw I have nothing against rohan sippy
    Infact liked all his films esp DMD and Kuchh na kaho (yes!)
    But these comaparisons are unfair and inconvenient to the nice guy that sippy is…

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  32. Btw OT–
    Came across ‘head in the clouds’ on telly
    Theron, cruz– and a period premise
    May watch–anyone seen it ?

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  33. The fact that piyush mishra is the Sutradhaar of the film and is the only sane “voice of reason” which is framing the whole story through its narration in the most non partisan and unbiased way, and also the fact that he is a self flagellator has an implication.
    self flagellation means regret and self retribution on the part of the character, a kind of self blaming for being incompetent and helpless in the face of things.
    Piyush mishra flagellates himself thrice in the film. firstly, when he is not able to inform shahid on time about the child bearing complications of his wife. piyush flagellates himself because when faced with the violence(might is rightism from ramadheer’s henchman)…he is unable and helpless to do anything.
    The other two instances of self flagellation are when piyush mishra is faced with his own lust.
    So the flagellation is because piyush is unable to cope with the two basic drives of mankind: violence and lust….. the drives which creates all the problems in this world.
    Kashyap is trying to say that in the world ruled by violence and lust…reason/sanity/rationality(piyush mishra) is in the role of an impotent self flagellator.
    Thematically…. piyush’s role is similar to the one in Gulaal.
    The reason why he is the “voice of reason” is because he is the sutradhaar of the whole story.

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    • Not Piyush Mishra but the character Farhan.
      Not just as sutradhar but also someone in movie, who has a conscience. Many layers to this movie. It is definitely path breaking in ways more than one! Watershed moment in hindi cinema this movie surely is.

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  34. ^^ so Dimple has also seen it..
    What’s your take ..(though think anjali has covered nearly everything ..)

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  35. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    This review from ‘ Variety’ is fairly perceptive.

    “Absorbing styles as diverse as those of old-school Italo-American mafia classics a la Coppola, Scorsese and Leone, as well as David Michod’s taut crime thriller “Animal Kingdom,” Kashyap never lets his influences override the distinct Indian color. The pacing is machine-gun relentless, sweeping incoherence and repetitiveness under the carpet as it barrels forward with hypnotic speed.

    The pulse-quickening prologue opens in 2004, with a shootout in Wasseypur that catches auds as off-guard as it does the Khan crime family, whose members are ambushed in their home by their rivals, the Qureshis, from neighboring Dhanbad. The origins of the strife between the two clans are then traced back to 1941, when the movement to oust the British left a power vacuum in the coal-mining industry, the only livelihood in a Muslim-populated region in North India. The family pioneer, Shahid Khan (Jaideep Ahlawat), blazes a trail as a train robber, exile, coal worker and merciless enforcer for mine owner/kingpin Ramadhir Singh (Rajat Bhagat), who has Shahid dispatched as soon as he becomes a threat.

    When Shahid’s son Sardar (Manoj Bajpayee) grows up, he moves back to Wasseypur in the 1960s and makes vengeance his vocation. Soon, he becomes sidetracked by empire building, a fracas with a guild of Qureshi butchers and, most of all, his bigamous pursuits. When his eldest son, Danish (Vineet Singh), marries Shama Parveen (Anurita Jha), daughter of butcher Ehsan (Vipin Sharma), an uneasy truce emerges, but it can’t last: By the end of part one, Ramadhir (now played by Tigmanshu Dhulia) has become Sardar’s nemesis.

    Part two plays out in frenetic fashion as Sardar’s sons — libidinous Danish, pothead Faizal (Nawazuddin Siddiqui), money-grabbing Perpendicular and power-crazed Definite — take turns auditioning for the role of most ruthless don.

    As the town ushers in a new order in which every boy is a Godfather wannabe, the finale culminates in a spectacular orgy of bullets and blood that impresses even after five hours of murder, rape, castration, beheading and random carnage. Stirred into the hard-hitting action is a heady cocktail of spontaneous romanticism, cockily humorous dialogue, period-sensitive music of staggering range, and songs with lewd lyrics that form a caustic chorus.”

    http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117947719?refcatid=31

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  36. omrocky786 Says:

    Kaaram Coffee Cinema – Anurag Kashyap on Tamil film Industry

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    • This is a nice bite. One can certainly sense why Kashyap admires not only the filmmakers in TN, but also and perhaps moreso the film audiences which allows for this kind of filmmaking.

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  37. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    One super-effusive review from Mihir Fadnavis:

    “The pace in Gangs of Wasseypur 2 is unrelenting – unlike in the previous film where one is made to scratch one’s head for the first half hour, Kashyap thrusts you in right away into the action this time. This immediately makes the film a great deal more fun than its predecessor, which suffered from stuttering tonal shifts and a constant, gratingly intrusive voiceover by Piyush Mishra. The voiceover is still there in GOW 2 but is much less intrusive. The scope is much bigger this time but everyone behind the film has a much surer grip of the film – in fact the editing (Shweta Venkat) is so tight it’d be hard to fit a feather between scenes. Sneha Khanvalkar’s songs, Kala Re in particular are attached and picturised so well the film feels like kaleidoscopic images of art and blood. ”

    http://mihirfadnavis.blogspot.in/2012/08/movie-review-gangs-of-wasseypur-2.html

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  38. Utkal Mohanty Says:

    Another one agreeing with my contention about the literary value of GOW 1 and GOW 2:

    “Anurarg Kashyap’s epic Gangs of Wasseypur is remarkable especially for its detailed unspooling of a vendetta story which revolves around feuding clans in a cash-rich township where mortal danger lurks around every corner of its congested mohallas.
    Part 2, in fact, is far more engrossing and cinematically accomplished, somewhat on the lines of The Godfather 2 being more audacious than its prequel.
    For one, the main protagonists and the turbulent backdrop are already established, and the backstory doesn’t have to dwell on the earlier conflicted generations. The strong screen presence of Manoj Bajpayee in the first-parter is missed for sure, compensated by the introduction of smart-assed characters like Definite (another Michael Corleone in the making) and Perpendicular, a stammering boy whose mouth conceals a killer shaving blade. In fact, the two Gangs of Wasseypur would make for a bestseller if were to be ever written in a book form.”

    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/showbiz/movie-reviews/gangs-wasseypur-2-review-225

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  39. Guys this is a very incisive piece on GoW by Jai Arjun Singh

    http://business-standard.com/india/news/jai-arjun-singh-tone-twister/485689/

    Jai Arjun Singh: Tone twister

    The fun thing about discussing Gangs of Wasseypur is that nearly every intelligent viewer I know has expressed some ambivalence about their own reactions

    The question of how to assess a film’s tone has rarely been more fraught than in the context of Anurag Kashyap’s widely discussed Gangs of Wasseypur. Much of the early conversation about GoW – including by those who hadn’t seen it – centred on a very narrow definition of authenticity; some people assumed it was going to be a documentary-like representation of life in the hinterland, and words like “gritty” were hurled around. But authenticity and realism are always ambiguous concepts in cinema, subject to oversimplification. A backlash of sorts followed when the film was revealed as an (often brilliant) exercise in style.

    Personally I loved many things about GoW — it is wonderfully performed, with many imaginative Kashyapian set pieces and a superb, versatile music score by Sneha Khanwalkar. But given that this is a multi-generational epic involving layers of personal tragedy, I was a bit thrown off by its constantly clashing tones; specifically by the way in which some of the violent scenes (even the ones where bad things happen to the people we might be expected to root for) became pretexts for Tom and Jerry-style laughs.

    To clarify, I have nothing against dark humour, or with essentially tragic situations being given comic treatment. Last week I saw Marjane Satrapi’s Chicken with Plums, a film that manages to be funny about such subjects as death and depression as it chronicles the last days in the life of a melancholy violinist. And I’m currently reading Manu Joseph’s The Illicit Happiness of Other People, a chuckle-inducing novel the plot of which might be summed up thus: a man has been trying obsessively for three years to understand why his 17-year-old son killed himself. Both these works recognise that the profound and the ridiculous constantly coexist in human lives; they encourage the viewer or reader to laugh, but also retain our emotional investment in the protagonists.

    There are a few scenes in Gangs of Wasseypur that achieve this effect. When a sleeping Faisal – son of the small-time gang leader Sardar Khan – is woken and told that his father has been killed, he jumps up and dashes down a stairway and out of the frame, looking very much the purposeful hero about to assume a responsibility; but the shot is held, and a second later he scampers back sheepishly because he has forgotten to put on his shoes. It’s a nice touch, a pointer to the mundane things that can interfere with the playing out of the dramatic “scenes” in our lives. However, this careful integration of two conflicting tones is not generally maintained over the film. What happens, much more often – especially in the second half of the saga – is that we are simply told, “This is how you’re supposed to feel about these people” in one scene and then “Now you have to feel this way” in the next scene.

    One of the notable things about GoW is how its characters are influenced by cinema: personalities and relationships are shaped by celluloid fantasies; the romance between Faisal and Mohsina is full of endearingly kitschy nods to the tropes of 1980s Hindi movies; many other scenes contain fascinating meta-commentary about how people relate to their films. But this also means that these characters sometimes seem as fleshed out as movie-star posters.

    The question, though, is: are they intended to be that way? The fun thing about discussing this film is that nearly every intelligent viewer I know has expressed some ambivalence about their own reactions, and wondered if they misread the tone of a crucial scene. Someone even raised the possibility that Faisal’s big emotional moment near the end – the one where he laments having been drawn into a life of crime – may be an inside joke: just another meta-reference to how the hero of a “typical” mainstream movie might behave in a certain situation. In this view of things, the characters are not meant to have the interiority that so many viewers seek; it doesn’t matter if we don’t care for them; this is the sort of post-modernist cinema where it’s enough to revel in the cleverness of individual sequences.

    This can make it difficult to take anything in GoW at face value, and at times it feels like the only way to discuss the film is through subtextual analysis, playful speculation and guesswork: perhaps we even need the evolution of a new mode of criticism to deal with a new type of film. Accordingly, I propose to treat it as a ganja-fuelled version of the Mahabharata. Did Faisal’s addiction remind anyone of Yudhisthira’s gambling? Did Perpendicular’s activities put you in mind of Bheema’s appetite for random, cruel violence? Is the sutradhaar Farhan – participating in events, lusting after generations of women but also ultimately staying detached and surviving in the end – a version of the randy sage Vyasa? See where I’m going with this? Weigh in with more suggestions, please.

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  40. alwaya adore jai arjun and rangan but these are clever rip off’s

    perpendicular, tangent and defnite is part of greek mytholofy and even used in star wars and for script its indianisation of one and only scorsese movie gangs of newyork with the rehash of godfather and research is dam faulty coming straight from the mouth of native:

    By Shakeb Ayaz

    Wasseypur (Jharkhand), July 4 (IANS) The critically acclaimed “Gangs of Wasseypur”, a gritty celluloid saga of the coal mafia and blood thirsty vengeance, may have set the cash registers ringing, but residents of this town say the success comes at the cost of their integrity, respect and honour.

    Anurag Kashyap’s directorial venture gives a distorted message about the Muslim-dominated area’s social, cultural and economic life and only perpetuates stereotypes, say the outraged people of Wasseypur, just two kilometres from Dhanbad station.

    From the title to the content, the film, boasting an ensemble cast including Manoj Bajpayee, has led to hurt and indignation here.

    “The film presents a wrong picture of Wasseypur. They mixed facts with fiction and came out with something that is dangerous. People don’t know what is the truth and what is fiction,” Sahil Siddiqui, who guides students for the civil services exams, told IANS.

    The town, about 165 km from state capital Ranchi, has a population of about 200,000 and does focus on education unlike what the film attempts to portray.

    “The history doesn’t start with the conflict between Pathans and Qureshis (as the film makes it out). It was just a conflict between two gangs over scrap business. The foundation was laid by the late Wassey Sahab and Jabbar Sahab in 1955-56. They were known contractors of Dhanbad,” said dentist Taqi Anwar.

    Story writer Zeishan Quadri, who belongs to Wasseypur, told IANS that “the film is 80 percent real and 20 percent fiction”. The residents, however, disagree, saying that the film is an “insensitive” and “brutal” portrayal of a way of life that doesn’t exist in reality.

    According to Anwar, the film attempts to “generalise criminal conflict between two people as the story and history of Wasseypur”.

    “When the film starts it says ‘yahan ek se ek haramzade rehte hain’. It’s totally unacceptable,” added a visibly upset Anwar.

    The anger is widespread.

    Imran Khan, an educationist, told IANS that the film is a “dirty and wrong picturisation of the place”.

    “It is like any other locality, where both good and bad people live. The film attempts to make a hero out of some criminal elements. People do not use filthy language as shown in the film. Doctors, engineers and IAS officers live here,” said Imran.

    Abu Tarique, a marketing executive, described “Gangs of Wasseypur” as “third grade” as it does not challenge but sustains “the stereotypes associated with Wasseypur in general and Muslims in particular”.

    Asadur Rahman, a journalist with Urdu daily Faruqi Tanzeem, said the film “stalls the integration of Wasseypur” with the mainstream society.

    “There was already an official bias and discrimination with the Muslim-dominated locality and now with this film, it’ll be further aggravated. The film may lead to further segregation of Wasseypur from the mainstream society.”

    “Why did Anurag Kashyap choose a Muslim area?” he asked.

    In the view of Bilquis Khanum, general secretary of district Congress party’s women’s cell, the film has already done the damage.

    “My kids have been subjected to lewd comments by his classmates in schools. Children of the locality are being nicknamed as Sardar Khan (the gang lord played by Manoj). What message does this film gives to the youth?” she asked.

    BJP minority cell president of Dhanbad Jawed Khan says he had sent a legal notice to Kashyap, which the filmmaker did not receive.

    “The film is an attempt to defame Wasseypur. On June 13, we filed a case in the Jharkhand High Court demanding that the name of the film be changed and some dialogues be changed. We do not object to the film being made, but the film is on the story of coal mafias, then why drag Wasseypur’s name in,” he asked.

    “I had led a peaceful protest outside the cinema halls on the first day of the film. We painted the posters black and marked the day as Black Day for citizens of Wasseypur,” Jawed told IANS.

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  41. question to be asked what he intends to acheive(should have marked it as work of fiction )

    yes the movie started with saas bahu drama and then totally opppsite violence but that don’t change perception but a vicky donor( where a saas bahu generally indulge in drinking and hardly follows stereotypes does) and frankly i liked gow1 ( even though it agin distorts history from start itself with sultana daku who was u.p not bihar and even in british india both where not same )but gow2 was hopeless in terms of methaphors ( and that is kashyap’s strengh

    and ya my comparison is harsh because there are masterpieces on revenge saga wheather it is godfather , city of god or even gangs of new york

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  42. GoW 3 disc set out in India (both parts):

    http://www.induna.com/1000012025-productdetails/

    both parts are individually being sold in the US (or on ebay/Amazon). Haven’t seen the 3 disc thing yet. Have had part 1 lying around. Haven’t got into it yet. Now I’ll just order part 2 and see them back to back.

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  43. Thanx qalander-nice review but seems I liked both oarts better than u did. Agree that part 1 was better than part 2 for me.
    As with most films I love-I’ve got paralysis of articulation somewhat.
    Remember the movie being full of submerged humour and choicest authentic ‘masala’ stripped of its unnecessary embellishments.

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